#💭|general
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Omg its @glossy wren
Come turkiye broski
Yass and goodmorning
I feel like a disappointment, my lil bro is going to an ivy league 😭
SIMDI PARA YOK ABLA GOTUNU SATSAM BILE ALAMAM.
Bro u work do u even save up money
What do u spend on

Woah congratulations to him . Which one is he going to btw
Nyu
Why so tuff unc 🥀
I TRAVEL, HAVE FUN, EAT OUT ALMOST DAILY.
I VISITED EIFFEL TOWER LAST SUNDAY.
AND SAKA YAPIYORUM. RN I AM SAVING FOR UMRAH AND MY WEDDING.
THAT MF STOLE A GOOD CHUNK OF MY SAVINGS LAST YEAR.
Bro why did you get muted?
I PISSED SOME PEOPLE WITH FRAGILE EGO LIKE A DANDELLION
Anyone wanna be friends
What his account
Yes
WHAT'S YOUR SKIN COLOR?
@sbeve
He changed username daily idk how to ping him.
@noah
The thief tht broke into ur office? I thought it happened months ago
No you have a weird pfp
@sbeve
That’s why skip breakfast
@noah
Real
Just skip breakfast bro
IT HAPPENED IN LAST JULY.
TURKIYE IS IN MY BUCKET LIST, BUT I HAVE 2 MORE PRIORITIES ATM
😂 😂 I saw you were getting muted
@solid ridge
Dawg wth is this name@wanton fulcrum
Account
Tell pls Sbeve account
Literally Bi**h pro max
I PISSED 2 -3 PEOPLE. IDK WHICH ONE GOT PISSED

Yeah probably it will take a few years most likely4 years i think bcz ur wedding is in two years and also umrah ig
I See, you were trying to be vence
Howdy! And good day.
I WILL VISIT BEFORE MY WEDDING, SO I KNOW WHICH PLACES TO SHOW HER WHEN WE COME AFTER WEDDING
YEAH. 
GAY DEE VENCE
Two times istanbul vov
ISTANBUL BIR COK GUZEL SEHIR. IT WORTHS MANY VISITS.
EE
It does it does
IS TURKIYE GETTING INVOLVED IN WAR WITH ISRAEL?
I HEARD SOME NEWS
NOT SURE ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY
“ alhamdulillah “ while being half naked
No ofc
Astagfirullah
Lie
ANLADIM
hey. no racism.
BUT THEY ARE CUSSING EACH OTHER ON X
ERGOGAN AND SHYTANYAHU
Who caress
Any bi guy?
Dude see ur pfp
WE DO CARE ABOUT IT SINCE THE CONSEQUENCES ARE BRUTAL
I’m not half naked in my pfp and saying alhamdulillah tho
What’s worth with it dude 😭
rawr

Why would I be naked ??
Lets talk about biriyani!
Stop being mean to jd you will get in trouble
I mixed macaroni with Noodles
nah, I am thinking about getting a patent for this recipe, it's fire
I don’t post myself online showing my awrah
It’s giving “ only Allah can judge me “ 😭 feminists
The other day someone was saying they eat macaroni with pineapple
That's gross
true
WHO WANNA SEE MY KITTTENSSS
Sorry but it’s giving modern feminist energy male version brother
btw "judging others" or trying to correct them (better term) without being right is still trying to care for someone else
I don't eat meat
if you're gonna use the "only Allah can judge me" excuse to ignore advices that's your own problem
YOU SHOULD
if she's right about it then you should take action either ways, whether she holds the standard herself or not doesn't really matter (i'm not on anyone's side btw)

whatever she does it's for herself and whatever you do it's for yourself
Bum talking about only Allah can judge me while having "Free Israel" in bio
Morning!
LMAO I didn't notice that
Hihih
This one ?
Surah Al-Ahzab (33:59) is a verse in the Quran that instructs Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to tell his wives, daughters, and the believing women to wrap their outer garments (
around them. This command is meant to ensure they are recognized as modest, virtuous women and are not harassed or molested.
she should correct you that's our job as an ummah
I wouldn't
It doesn’t say anything about judging
no it doesn't
we don’t eat body parts , yeah
giving advice and judging are two completely different things
DO YOU KNOW A GIRL 28 JUST DIED AND HER DIET WAS FRUITS AND VEGGIES ONLY
Who tf
MEAT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR BODY
she's only trying to give an advice if the advice is correct you should follow it regardless
Who said we are eating veggies only
if a fat dude came up to you and said "you should exercise, it's good for you" will you ignore him and be like him because he's fat?
I don’t think I’m showing off my body online
She was only consuming fruits, she needed to eat plant based food, not plant parts only
if a fat dude came up to you and said "you should exercise, it's good for you" will you ignore him and be like him because he's fat?
I KNOW BUT MEAT IS ALSO A REQUIREMENT. DIVERSIFIED FOOD ALSO HELPS TO IMPROVE IMMUNE SYSTEM
wtf
you just agreed to my earlier statement tho
It’s a troll account I hope
don't be like this guy pls
Inshallah
SHE WAS THE WORST CASE. DIVERSIFIED FOOD IS IDEAL FOR BODY
You can immediately tell when someone is an incel because they believe that losing 5kg of belly fat makes women owe them sex and when they say no they start to hate feminism
Neither do I want to free Israel
I'm evol 😈
me too i hate israel
It is, she could have eat rice, veggies, soup, cakes with eggs,and all that yummy vegan food, but she took it to the extremes
2 complete different bio/about me lmao
Dark?🤢🤢🤢
Nobody ever says that btw
you need nutrition, variety of nutrients, not necessarily meat
I think we have got a bigger problem here
LMAO now it's hate speech?
Preach 🗣️
Modern day incel 😭
I am, stay in your country
it's free speech lol
My huband is the only handsome guy here, debate me if you all can do 20 muscle ups, and bosuball handstands
yes
Why tf does he support Israel
Ik, he is a human war machine
And teaching me random fake verses
Jokes on you, I have a husband
I genuinely want to know why are you a Zionist
hate speech depends on person if i say "nintendo is better than playstation" it'll offend some people therefore should it be called hate speech too?
I already shared the verse with you man
It says free Israel ??
It’s not Zionism then what is it
i said i hate a country though
never said a group of people
you have to be a troll 😭
that's my man
You gave me a verse saying it says not to judge and etc and I searched it and found out it was instructing how to cover up
You didn’t mention any hadiths
are you a muslim
They don't have husbands worth bragging about
I think we both believe in the same god

Oh yes . I agree with that I do cover myself . But you are showing off your awrah which counts your navel too
😭 LMAO
ask them if their husbands are this awesome
You said alhamdulillah and shared me Quran verses so I assumed you are a Muslim
no only hijab is needed not niqab
yes
I follow hanafi . Face isn’t a part of awrah ty
Bro, he's mine
hi
gm gm
why bro is telling me to wear niqab while being half naked btw ( face isnt even a part of awrah )
wear whatever you want
I’m not new to this . I’ve had alots of people telling me this but we follow hanafi bro . Face hands and feet’s aren’t part of awrah
fetish
“ your “
Wdym your
wtf is this
wtf is your
😭
Isn’t he your prophet too
He is a fit nah
Astagfirullah
not all hadiths are correct, the strongest hadith about this says that everything except face, feet and hands should be covered
Oh yeah nobu 3.0
It's a Christian trolling
Welcome back
exactly
I see
Help Im not able for changeing my nick name
Weirdo
Sadly many Christian weirdos like this online
Hey
I will change it to something nice, but not that weird name you had earlier
With no shame
K
The same guy would judge other women for not covering up btw
Lmao no
I know about my religion more than you bro
“ in general ‘ , you can’t judge me cuz I didn’t put myself in that position
Aisha reported: Asma’ bint Abi Bakr entered the house of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, while she was wearing a thin garment and she showed it to him. The Prophet said, “O Asma, when a woman reaches the age of maturity, it is not proper for her to show anything but this and this,” and the Prophet pointed to his face and hands.
Ok Let me permsision
I don’t follow my self made rules
Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4104
You guys are fighting again? 😭
No xp 🫵🏿😂
It’s clearly showing how much ignorant yo are
😭 lmao
Wtf is my Name
Ayeesha used to narrate prophet’s words it’s clear in the hadiths itself
Lmfao
Tf
yes Aisha was the one who memorised thousands of hadiths
Bro never opened a single Hadith I can say
He only searched verses from Google
Ok bro
You can be modest even if you don’t follow a religion as well
Why bro is fighting just cuz I said being half naked isn’t good
😭
bc he's arrogant
holy ragebaiter
Why does everyone keep fighting..
Bc why not
And you are right . Being half naked and showing abs is fine ?
and then you have "free/israel" in your profile
You guys are arguing, though.
And wtf is even a trinitarian Muslim
How tho
I’m not being half naked and sharing it online
trinity x muslim
exactly
Did no woman ever wanted to show you off to people ? Must be sad
God forbid a girl appreciates her man 😭
You want me to brag about myself ? I am not a narcissist lol
Yall have problem with everything I swear
Anyways I was trolling cuz I was bored
Ew
No
Btw
free israel from what
We really do follow hanafi
You aren’t allowed to cover up face while umrah
Ameen
Apple juice
Ik what I need to know
Bro
Chill
lmfaoooo
Bro
This is getting hilarious
Do you even know what does shirk mean
Why is it a problem if I brag about my husband and appreciate him
wtf
hi
HAHAHAHA he says that while saying he's a trinitarian muslim im crying
associating Allah with jesus?
Lmao
new here but can anyone tell me what the fighting for?
Can somebody tell why liking my own husband is a bad thing
idk how yall be messing up the easiest stuff which is explicitly confirmed in the Quran
This group chat is about getting bombed...
Open a ticket
You're talking to two "Christians" who care more about trolling Muslims online than actually doing any good irl
Maybe put on a shirt first
Your time is more valuable than this
wait what is the fighting about
I’m not a Christian bro 😭
No I didn't mean you
Quran literally says juice ppl won't believe in ur religion until u believe in thirs
Google it and u will be sure
P3 is invalid imo
Allah being eternal doesnt mean every eternal being is allah
Grown men fighting online about which of their made up beliefs are correct
Howdy!
U make me laugh bro
Hi
You're brown therefore your opinion is irrelevant
Sorry to hear that
broo why yall debating religion lets debate epistemology or ontology
Grown man begging to debate people online
k, do you think information could be known
I sended him a proof and he just said am not sure Abt that one and I replied google it and u will be sure
Which one goofball
Im not even a Muslim tho, just pointing out invalid premises. The claim that everything thats eternal and untreated is allah is an islam-centric claim
Bro judgmental, obnoxious, and showing abs that's a big red flag
how is it justified
That Jews ppl isn't Muslim and got that proof from the Muslims holy book
Jesus said "Stay online and argue like a child about religion"
i dont want to join vc
Thru an Islamic lens yes
What about Muslims historically klllng your likes to expand their land
you havent answered my question @cunning sable
.
I think if your mother drank too much alcohol while she carried you, you end up like this, arguing about religion online, and changing fuckall about it
Fair enough I thought you're arguing outside Islamic context. Carry on lads
down syndrome people are just normal people, we are the ones who are genius
Bro's calling me low iq when he believes in a made up story
Bro took bedtime stories as historical facts
That I dont believe in organized religion... I guess
How about you debate with your parents about when you'll land a job and stop being a leech
isn’t all religion organized?
We need to get down syndromed
This is how I know you're broke, claiming to be rich on discord
being too smart is a curse
Ehh, zero?
Bro's seething now he has no counter-arguments because I don't believe in fairytales like him
guys, stop, we all broke af, no need to pretend
Grown ass man believing in a God 💀💀💀💀
😍
It's funny that all the ppl debating here think this is why theyr boring
Even children stop believing in Santa at the age of 10
Tempting to say but youre forgetting "spiritual but not religious" peeps (actually idk if that can be considered a religion; depends on how religion is defined, which is a fault on my end)
How about you google "What chances are there that the religion I was born in is the only true one"
fr, im retardmaxxing
Bro wants to talk about logic when he believes in a made up story 💀
Do you even hear yourself
Have fun bro
It CAN but it's missing a few god-like properties like all knowing and omnipotent ig
religion is just believing something without scientific evidence
Thats faith, a prerequisite of religion.
I can prove that the God of fambaluba exists
Yours doesnt
My book said my God exists
I guess religion needs a god, or a form of higher power to warship to
There's more evidence for big foot than for your God
Warship
this allah dude sounds mean, just going around cursing people
Everyone stoped warshipping after invention of nuclear weapons
That's a sin bruh stop that
My God exists yours doesn't, cope and seethe christiantard
I dont have a phd in philosophy could you phrase this better. I really cant quite get what youre saying
Bro's mad lmfao
No it is
Grown man getting ragebaited over made up stories
Even children question the tooth fairy
Trust me ita
Lmfao no arguments just seeting with rage😭😭😭😭😡
The stupidest thing a smart man can do is debating with a stupid one
Grown ass man believing in this 😭😭😭😭
it’s completely logical to question something and seek evidence
Nobody believes in that
You'd assume that these guys have evidence of the countless of dead bodies that Jesus supposedly ressurected 😭😭😭😭
By any chance, is there anyone here from Lisbon or Carcavelos, Portugal?
@leaden fiber Nah bruh your level of ragebait is so good 😭
Good for u
Keep the general chat clean.Take serious debates about religion, politics, gender issues to #🧠|serious-chat
Silly morons cry about Islam yet have no historial or archeological evidence of the countless dead that Jesus ressurected
Hello admin
It's mentioned once in the Bible and never again
By any chance, is there anyone here from Lisbon or Carcavelos, Portugal?
I m bored to death
He's throwing a tantrum calling me broke lmfaoooo
Idt so
😩
I can kiss u
Need something to distract myself from these boring days
Nuh uh thanks but nope
Grown man throwing a tantrum over his fairytale
what do you all think about Pineapple Pizza ?
I don't like it that's all I can say
Hahahaha go read your made up book bro😭😭😭😭😭
I've been to the library, the Bible was in the "Fiction" aisle
I feel like there's a missing logical step here. In a theistic pov, some eternal, necessary being would be considered God, but there's a gap in how those two properties can suddenly make a being all knowing
Arab guy get into fight with European guy ive seen this before
Oh I thought all people that say Allah are Arab my bad
He didn't say Allah before this reply
Imagine believing in a made up story and calling people who don't "uneducated" 😭😭😭😭😭
Indonesians, Malaysians, and Turkish (debatable) people just dont exist lol
I would like to eat but if vivek doesn't eat
I wish I have all the energy they have to argue with people online i'm just so lazy
Okay I get why olivander gave up
These guys are bums😭😭😭😭
Every day feels new for a moment, until it quietly becomes just another copy of yesterday
Dont
I don't take advice from kid
majority of discordians consider pineapple on pizza the "most cursed food combo"
do smth good for you then
gif langauge
How would you like your productive days to be like
I'mma grab something to eat
Bye yall
well in my prod days i like to do my work 25 min work rest for 5 min and repeat
me
Murderer
Hi and Bye.


Codenames?
helloo
Me
Good morning people
Don't take it to heart
It was a misunderstanding
sure
@limber sigil Explain to da man
I was jk
once you learn it ur cooked
I just played 2 hrs
since when u joke
Hello
neither can i
Bro does NOT wanna play codenames
life is cruel
What is a codename
How
Morning 😛
Good moaning
I wanna play
@limber sigil this guy should be stoned to death and thrown to gay lesbians
Hey nissan :)
Spymater leading their operative into their team colored cards by giving them clues
To be an example to future generations
I canceled her from the quiz
Banned from the vc

Not enough
not enough
Im still not fulfilled
Oooh nice so that’s whats the vc about?
In the damn morningv?
I was even outside with my friends and cameback
Its the absolute punishment for her
Playing the game cus it needs communication
@limber sigil @solar heart you gon teach me codenames or no?

Discord
Wb me ? 
😢
kung fu and hair
I wish I ban u from the whole server
absolute brainrot
Kung fu panda😝
@jagged bison
Alhamdulillah I'm not banned from vc 
hello

Codenames?
What's dat

Whattt

deds
idk how to play it
what is it
Hello I’m new here
Tuna 
Hi
Damn
Get a life ma'am
Mosquito
Bonggg
Dolma
Brooooooooooooooooooo I woke up a while ago and was studying tf
Kabsa
I summon the king of codenames
wth is that
molokhia
Ew
Bro did not get summoned
@limber sigil
?
Codenames
when
Screw you Nessah
Joking
whad did i do
Connard
After the prayer
which one
Jumma
😭🙏🏻 oh right
You talk like you actually have real life
Noway tota telling her which one
why r u an addict bro
Why
BAZALRIIIGHT what have I done
Cus its very good game
TAIS TOI 
She is Muslim
Pfft whatever
wow calme toi jsuis gentil
Non
Parce que t’es chiant 
nan je suis juste trop drôle
Tung tung sahur
Women aren't better looking than men they just scamming more
Trop drôle dans ta tête seulement 

bah si wsh jsuis le plus drôle du monde
Mdrrr t’es convaincu c’est déjà ça idiot 
mais t'es d'où toi
tu viens d'où
et tu me traites pas d'idiot
How do u speak French like this 😭
Dacc sorry
Égypte
School and I started taking some courses + im not even good 
et comment tu sais parler français
Are you into men or something
What's the point in saying this
aleykum selam
oh mon dieu
You have to teach me one day girl
jumuha mubarak

Oweili Yaba. Majboos
Mubarak
I am not i just make a comparison because women always trying to prove that they are better looking than men, better humans than men, more hardworking than men and generally to compete with men
14 hours and haven't eaten anything.

Time to eat some @topaz ice
Have a blessed friday !
Y nat
thanku thanku
Un peu de talent, c’est tout 
the last 8 seconds r so real
What's majboos
est ce que t'es juste en train de traduire ou tu le parles vraiment mdrr
Time reversing
tu l'a appris où
idk
when I reach c1
it's easy trust
soy facil
c'est simple
rien de compliqué
les langues se ressemblent toutes


Nan je le parle vraiment mdrr j’étais dans une école française pendant un moment et là je prends encore des cours
damn
impressionnant
damn, I'm learning french now aside from English 


why is there mongol language in english server
pendant combien de temps ?

At least no german 😭
that's actually decent c'est plutôt pas mal mais le plus dur c'est pas écrire mais parler mdrr ça tu sais faire ?
No
Pas vraiment 
j’suis encore pas très bonne je galère un peu à l’oral
Do you know how I look?
Yes
I wish steezy was here so he could bully you like yesterday
Wtf is that pfp
😭
j'aimerais bien entendre pour voir ce que ça donne et jpourrais meme t'aider
german is hell

Bully what?
That kid?💀
Nah
Je vais y réfléchir lol
Merciii
He's not a kid 
Im afraid may this prevented me from learning but yes your right all languages may have the same universal grammar ig except Germannn
guess gzme
I am glad you liked it
Y'all are
ouais vas-y et n'aies pas peur mdrr jvais pas rigoler de toi
guys
Not now no 😭
im tryna find my baby
yeah germans a bit different sometimes I've been doing German math and history classes it was...
Wrong place honey
He's old enough to be your dad 
i lost
oui I'm not saying maintenant just tell me quand tu veux
im not honey
What baby
idk
why cant i send gif 
Okieee
Math and history!!! Ugh its so hard more than language itself
Then how!
u
YES the NUMBERS BRO THE NUMBERS
I assume love 😭
I've a bf 🥀
jeffrey epstein was a physics major just saying 😊❤️
rong assumption
zweihundertvierzigtausendfünfhundertdreißig
Lmao
Nah trust me
this means 240530 btw
who are you

chicken wings chicken wingggsss
Spoilers
Idk
oh no
My wife
bott
ngl ts is how i feel walking in a straight line
Both of em?
Maybe you're not too straight?
no you
Oh yes
And e-wives
Bro traumatised yeah 😭
A vegan lion?
vegan lion 💔🕊️
Wdym?
hell yes I was bro Maths in GERMAN just imagine
anyone from uk ?
Me


huh what
Ugandan Kingdom?
london ?
love
Halal lion
Hallo
i am coming there for my majors
actually
i need some help
hallo was machst du
Don't tell me they also change how we write numbers 1 2 3 😭
are u in uni ??
Spanish??
Medicine
Ah pardon? 🙂💔

einz zwei drei
Nahh
who moves first is gay
Halal lioness gone wrong
So where
Gone secsual
thought u understood german
Cambodia
Yoo
Not at all😭
Wtffff 😭
do u live in egypt
what about french
Oui oui baguette
no she is british
Where is it
Sorry im bad at geography 😭

oui
asia
Yoo
It's next to Vietnam and Lao
What the hell is thattt
What about 100?
Dis you?
hundert
Yes
Tota means berry
267
i asked torta
Fat latina
how's it rhere
Black magic really
😭
torta
REALLY😭??
letter by letter
bro u are german ??
Awful 
Yes 😭
why wth
Awful how do u pass bro 💀
Not really
idk it was so bad
Oh ok
For 12 years straight I had german classes
if you put me now
Infront of a German dude
I cannot talk to him
💀
WHO WILL WIN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
3
4
2
Bayern Munich
1369770119261196299
1_ok
Hot
Crowded
Expensive
No fun
Etc etc
come to france
I have 2 beds in my room
Ahhhole, dis you?
No my aim is swiss
Yes cause learning language is different from language acquisition
Ah yes
Any help?
But I guess you can speak naturally
I huess so
How deep is yo hole?
I been collecting em trenches. Mind if ya join me
Are you a tapeworm?
France is good? I hear its not cuz its rules for Muslims there
me too I've been there multiple times but I need to start working there
yeah but like I can't engage a casual convo
Not really we go by assworms ik it's not a familiar name.
Yeah you will meet a lot of black people there
meh, idk not a problem for me personally being muslim
nah you won't
maybe 1 dude ouf of 300
Each day there is protest going on in France
Jobs are rare there
I have friends living there.
And btw you can check France national football team 😆
but it's not one thing that jumps to your eye
maybe cause it too sunny out there
So its no good cuz it has lotta black ppl
anyone wanna be friends
They all are black French
Why
alright bro I'm french
Alot of unemployed homeless ppl here
Favorite meal
I was in Paris for almost a year too
everywhere*
wym why😭
It’s dangerous
Yeah it's better for medical fields so it's my aim
Goooosh help me god 

When I bullshit on my CV about some skills I never acquired
ohhh that's nice good luck fr
Reunion?
For an immigrant
I get it but when it happens your brain will work automatically dw
bro y'all have NEVER been there 😭😭🙏🙏
Answer me why you don't want to see black black people in France
Merci merci
Ffff no way
No worry
hell nah I don't know the language at all I forgot everything
de rien tête de neuille
I need answer
Tell him about the Sudanese we have here
😆😆😆
What ever man. Go to France if you wanna go.
And you will experience yourself
IM IN FRANCE
ITS BEEN 20 YEARS
Lmaooo
You native or immigrant?
I was born here
how was it, do they actually talk funny?
So you are not immigrant
Oh I understand thank you
We fked it up in there too? Ah damn lmaoo
It’s different for you
or son of immigrant?
dark horse btw
Then may Allah make me travel thereee
ain’t reading allat
Yeah
Are you like white French ? Or black French ?
If I come to France you will allow me
Wym?
black french
Once you get born there with your national ID, that’s not a immigrant status anymore
My people are a plague
I am not a embassy clearance officer lol
I'm Turkish my mom wasn't born here I was I'm originally not french
You're Sudanese?
but I got the french nationality
No brother answer me just I need to know
Got it
Why you speak in segregation way
You ?
Yes
Shoot me
Let's end this
💔
wym talk funny
I want to hear from your beautiful mouth
alright I'll shoot you
What’s that mean
Whatttt
Nah not you
I will sue you if you do
wow what who
Where r you from btw
Hello! Anybody here learning english too?
If you have criminal record no one will allow you
Lmao no
You live in Sudan? 
Wow my English is now slowly slowly coming good 🤣
UAE
Soon when the leftists rise it will not be possible
amine
Noice
Even who is from south Africa 😭
yo gurt
Yea
You?
yeah?
exactly
And Ethiopia 
You from the mother of the world too?
Okay
Egypt thats why I said we have a lot of Sudanese here Syrians too
Can’t do shit, you can’t kick someone from the country having their citizenship
wbu
No brother don't twist think around I am not a criminal if I come you will allow me or not that's my question
At least kick all the immigrants if you wish
Ngl
I heard bad stuff
My condolences
Girlsss r so charm they r very clean than Egyptain girls im sorry to say this😭😭😭😭😭😭
From Syrians mostly ngl
Germany is much better then France
Wow
My type my type
Basically
when you kick em immigrants
there wont be sons of immigrants
thats the ultimate goal