🧠｜serious-chat

[wet flax]

Pope was also against slavery during Atlantic trade

[languid rock]

Does this prove that he allows proskuneo to icons?

[wet flax]

that it isn't a bad thing

[languid rock]

In any case, the Bible shows the opposite in the New Testament on one occasion

[quasi needle]

What yall talmbout

[muted pecan]

so is it fine to interpret gods words on your own or not

[wet flax]

and dont use proskuneo, it isnt the right term.

[wet flax]

really not lmao

how are icons forbidden ?

[blazing kernel]

People, Anybody interest about the outbreak of hantavirus?

[muted pecan]

exodus 20,4 i guess

[obtuse idol]

Isn't that like from

Aerosols from rodents

[wet flax]

which is just putting the creature of Heaven above or equal to God

[muted pecan]

so praying to a painting of jesus is technically a sin

[wet flax]

Saints are not considered as above God

[blazing kernel]

I see.

[wet flax]

how so ? the Logos was made Man for us to see the Godhead, how is it a Sin to contemplate the perfectiest man in the world ? (it isnt)

[fresh flower]

[muted pecan]

it doesnt ssay anything about it having to be a creature tho from what i see

[wet flax]

and we dont pray to a painting, we pray to the person in the paint

[quasi needle]

Nothing burger

Nothing ever happens

[wet flax]

it's like looking at a pic of your family reminding the moments

[fresh flower]

Hentaivirus will kill us all bro

[quasi needle]

It has a high mortality rate which is indicative of a slower rate of spread

[fresh flower]

50% mortality rate

[quasi needle]

Hentaivirus has a 100% brain degenerative rate

[muted pecan]

You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below

well i guess it depends on interpretation

[languid rock]

Are you sure ? " And he says to me: ‘See (that you do it) not; I am your fellow-slave and of your brothers… proskuneō to God. " "καὶ λέγει μοι, Ὅρα μή· σύνδουλός σού εἰμι καὶ τῶν ἀδελφῶν σου... τῷ θεῷ προσκύνησον."

Revelation 19:10

[muted pecan]

id argue that it says heaven not sky, but there are 297139712837 different interpretations so whats really the point of that

[quasi needle]

I will forever be against any and all types of porn not for any religious reason but because people who watch it are degenerates

[fresh flower]

Based take

We need to limit chuds

[wet flax]

it says dont worship them, its against idolatry, not icons

[sweet wolf]

the bad ones

[muted pecan]

that also depends on interpretation

[quasi needle]

I just knew the biggest addict and he was Mr. Chud

[wet flax]

prskuneo to God, yes you said it ! not proskuneo to icons

[quasi needle]

dude had sonic nsfw on his instagram the second he opened it on a public bus

[blazing kernel]

This rate is very wide. a range from 30 to 50% is very person dependent. This involve immunity response, previous diseases, virulence of virus, etc.

[fresh flower]

Chud is no longer a cool lifestyle like it was bro, leftists and right wingers have ruined it

[wet flax]

no no its pretty clear

[languid rock]

I'm not talking against the icons, but about not offering proskynesis to anyone but God

[quasi needle]

his girl left him then he entered a gigantic depressive phase and dropped out of school

[sweet wolf]

welp time to assume a new online identity

[wet flax]

praying to is not necessarely proskynesis.

[quasi needle]

There are still good chuds

[muted pecan]

yeah i have this open, that literally depends on interpretation

might be clear for your branch of religion tho

[sweet wolf]

i like the polarity of the chat

[wet flax]

worship and veneration is different

[wet flax]

i dont see how is it that vague to you 'dont bow to them, for i am a jealous God'.

[quasi needle]

Good chuds are larpers and role players bad chuds are groypers and performative neo nazis

I have a doctorate in this field. Trust me.

[languid rock]

Proskynesis is a mandatory form of veneration for your church 😅

[sweet wolf]

today is the day i look up the meaning of groyper

i have seen it too often to ignore it now

[wet flax]

proskynesis is a literal word for worship, which shouldnt be used for saint prayers and anything...

[gusty kite]

https://tenor.com/view/yawngirl-yawnkid-yawn-yawnkidwithbobhair-gif-18915261

[quasi needle]

You won’t be surprised

[fresh flower]

At first I thought it meant a groper

[quasi needle]

You guys be making up any words atp

[wet flax]

its a greek word

[quasi needle]

I was unfortunately hit with the meaning instantly

[sweet wolf]

i thought it was associated with goy

[muted pecan]

well if you want me to be serious then bible contradicts itself a lot, so that doesnt prove anything

and thats why i think that having conversations on christianity in general is dumb as hell, every branch does whatever it wants and if you look at it from the outside, it doesnt make any sense at all for all of them to actually believe in the same one and only god

[languid rock]

Actually it means bow down

[quasi needle]

My brother was a Nick Fuentes fan

[muted pecan]

imo ofc its a discussion we aint stating universal facts

[quasi needle]

He watches asmongold

[sweet wolf]

his jokes are funny sometimes icl

but that's where my affinity towards him ends

[quasi needle]

Well yeah. The good thing about Fuentes is he doesn’t actually believe anything he says. He does it for the internet clout and money. He genuinely hates his fans

[sweet wolf]

bro downgraded 😭

[wet flax]

bow down, or worship. as the Logos was proskyneo aswell

[quasi needle]

I’ll see if I can find the photo I took of my brothers monitor

[sweet wolf]

yeah

[languid rock]

This is clearer than water. Your church teaches idolatry if it is as you state

[wet flax]

Christ established a church, and that church shall have all the truth included
(no contradiction also but dw)

[wet flax]

do we put the Saint above God?

[sweet wolf]

i remember one of his fans saying she wants aryan babies with him and he was apalled

[quasi needle]

My brother watching this shit 🥀

😭

I say used to

I checked the date and that was December

[sweet wolf]

he's beyond saving

[mystic bay]

Yes, ultimately we all must do that.

[quasi needle]

When he goes through donos it’s just calling his viewers morons while they pay $100 to say some dumb stuff

I’d do what he did too if I was being paid $100 every minute

[languid rock]

Well you said that Proskynesis shall not be for saints or the holy Mary. Your church teaches that shall be

[quasi needle]

Chuds want to validate themselves without believing they’re just unlikeable

[muted pecan]

well it doesnt have anything to do with truth in my opinion if different branches take different parts literal or not, you could think that if it was truthful, there wouldnt be different interpretations for example, since its... a word of god. He said what he said, thats it, who are mortals to decide for him? people just started doing whatever

[wet flax]

out of context it shouldn't

[quasi needle]

When everyone around you is a jerk that means you’re the jerk. But they don’t wanna believe the truth

[mystic bay]

I do not know much about Eastern orthodoxy. But the orthodox person I do know converted from Protestantism precisely because he took a realist view of the Eucharist.

[high rapids]

161

[quasi needle]

Did they really ban that word bro

[muted pecan]

yeah as i just said, who are you to interpret literal god? why do you think its fine for you to do that?

[quasi needle]

1984 levels of censorship in this server

[sweet wolf]

which

[mystic bay]

What is the alternative? Language requires interpretation. There is no avoiding that.

[quasi needle]

I was making a satirical made up quote of a chud blaming Female Humanoids

That being contracted to another word

Ye

[wet flax]

which is not out of context, so ?

[sweet wolf]

do mods even check this chat

[high rapids]

yes

[quasi needle]

Yes

I was muted for something I literally didn’t say because one of the mods interpreted it wrong

[sweet wolf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/1984-movie-1--k01KR25YF0ZZ7D9VWX3ZG41APTH

[muted pecan]

well alternative would be god expressing himself in a way that could be easily "decoded" 2 thousand years later without people just kinda freestyling it dont you think? especially since its god, he knows anything and all, he knew people would freestyle interpreting his godly passage and still did it?

[high rapids]

@wet flax Aren´t you a communist?

[wet flax]

i stopped studying counciles, im more in patristic since im questionning the filioque rn

[wet flax]

im a socialist

[high rapids]

Weren't you a communist at one time?

[languid rock]

Take a look at this

[wet flax]

marxist yeah

[mystic bay]

Well, as I say, I try not to 'freestyle' anything. I try to take an informed approach as far as I am able.

[muted pecan]

thats kinda dumb why would he do that? but still, why is it ok for individuals? shouldnt people like POPE do that for common people? since he represents all of us before god you know, idk if protestants really "accept" pope but i think they do

[languid rock]

To these is appropriate the offering of incense and lights, as was the pious custom of the ancients. For the proskynesis paid to the image passes on to that which the image represents, and he who proskynōn the image venerates in it the subject represented.

We define that the holy and life-giving cross, as well as the venerable and holy images... should be set up... the image of our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ, of our spotless Lady, the Mother of God, of the honorable angels, and of all the holy and blessed saints

[high rapids]

What did change?

[wet flax]

materialism

[quasi needle]

Anything? Really, anything?

[wet flax]

i did read it before

[quasi needle]

Is this why you say having fun is overrated

[languid rock]

Well so what is the exact context then?

[muted pecan]

you shouldnt have to take an informed approach as far as you're able tho, it should be always clear

[quasi needle]

Everything has to be preplanned

[muted pecan]

why would god make his word unclear

[languid rock]

Because you said that proskynesis is for God alone

[wet flax]

like using proskynesis in a way as we worship the saints.

[high rapids]

You´re from france right?

[wet flax]

yuh

[quasi needle]

Because only leftists use political labels

[manic juniper]

Not a coincidence that they rhyme with autism

[high rapids]

Are you a member of any political party

[quasi needle]

No centrist or rightist gives one damn about labeling themselves

[wet flax]

no, they all suck

[high rapids]

If there would be any party who doesn´t such would you join as a member

[quasi needle]

It makes them feel validated

Yes I’m a Marxist Leninist Libertarian Communist

[wet flax]

no

[quasi needle]

Just say you’re a leftist bro 🥀

[high rapids]

Why not

[languid rock]

For them, the realist view is simply believing that the consecrated bread and wine are Jesus. No more, no less

[muted pecan]

idk i dont read whole chat but good luck on preplanning

[mystic bay]

If you want to understand a text that was written about ancient Israel, or first-century Palestine, in Hebrew or Greek, then you will profit from learning about the history and languages of those times and places. I think that the Bible is clear in the vast majority of cases, but it might require study.

[wet flax]

i would be a radicalist

[quasi needle]

I’m not talking about myself

[high rapids]

Why

[quasi needle]

I plan damn well nothing

[wet flax]

cause i dislike what goes against my views

[mystic bay]

Right, but if they start out as mundane bread and wine, and then they are the very flesh and blood of Jesus, then they have undergone a change in substance.

[quasi needle]

This trend is VERY evident in leftist RHETORIC

[high rapids]

interesting

[quasi needle]

“Le revolution!” They shout from their Reddit basement

Not one protest attended in their life

[high rapids]

why

[quasi needle]

Then they do go to a protest and it’s them opening the gate to a detention facility then running away

[muted pecan]

why are you using political labels tho i thought only left uses that

[quasi needle]

Are you serious dog

[wet flax]

no idea, i just dont like that

[muted pecan]

clear, so literal? what do you extacly mean by "clear" tho

[quasi needle]

Lib is just slandering the left it’s not an analytical label

[high rapids]

161

[mystic bay]

Clear in the sense that you can understand it? I'm not using the word in an exotic sense.

And no, it doesn't mean the same thing as literal. A text can be clear and poetic, or any number of things.

[quasi needle]

Leftists dream about 19 layers of consultant bureaucracy hence they over analyse titling their position rather than talking about realistic policy

[muted pecan]

what do you two mean by labels then

[languid rock]

Yes, that is identical to the Lutheran perspective.

well as far as Im concerned

[mystic bay]

But that's a transubstantiation

[muted pecan]

well poetic would suggest not literal tho

[mystic bay]

Exactly. But it doesn't suggest unclear.

[quasi needle]

Personally I am a leftist somewhat but I just hate every single other leftist because they’re all insufferable

[wet flax]

fascist socialist i would be

[quasi needle]

Holy yap

[languid rock]

Well, that can also be seen as consubstantiation

[mystic bay]

Which is what?

[quasi needle]

You’re either fascist, woke or woke 2.0. these are the only 3 labels you need in 2026

[wet flax]

socialism is tuff

[quasi needle]

woke 2.0 aka DARK woke

[high rapids]

Whats the difference between woke and woke 2.0

[quasi needle]

Political correctness

There’s a Wikipedia page on it I found out

[high rapids]

Explain it to me

Share your knowledge with us

[languid rock]

Btw, my point was not to argue with your church but to point out your mistake in believing that your church considers proskynesis to be only for God

[quasi needle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Woke

[wet flax]

extremist centrist?

[quasi needle]

What the fuck is that

[wet flax]

no idea

[muted pecan]

you mean the political ideologies? that represent every side and are kinda a basic fucking thing?

[quasi needle]

Centrist = a wuss who’s scared that their god awful political view will get them bullied

[languid rock]

Where am I if I give a damn about politics

[muted pecan]

i get the troll but try at least

[manic juniper]

Saurocratism wouldn't be classifiable in the simple two axis

[sweet wolf]

poopist shartist

[muted pecan]

do something creative man, dont just be brain dead

[small sedge]

behind the screen

[languid rock]

Consubstantiation is the Lutheran perspective

[quasi needle]

Everyone has an ideology. Only leftists yap about their label

[mystic bay]

Right, but how is it different?

[muted pecan]

yeah and i see yall are trying to be funny in public ragebaiting probably

minecraft style a bit

[quasi needle]

Are you making yourself mad bro

Chill out

[muted pecan]

im just saying you could actually try for the sake of lore

[manic juniper]

Minecraft isn't even trolling which makes him better

[muted pecan]

no i will not believe this no thank you lmao

there is no way man

[quasi needle]

He’s serious

[muted pecan]

its too insane

insane in a way that i dont think anyone would be able to look in the mirror after

[quasi needle]

He trolls when he sends BS TikTok links but his views are his views

[languid rock]

I'm not well informed, but since the Orthodox Church doesn't have a rigid dogma on the matter, believers have freedom of thought regarding How the Eucharist happens

[quasi needle]

He just loves how we get mad over them

That doesn’t mean he doesn’t believe them

[languid rock]

Thank you, I hope Feudalism comes back

[muted pecan]

yeah it might have something to do with pdf takes tho

[languid rock]

They may have a naturalistic view of it and reject them for the same reason

[sweet wolf]

Everytime I see that it reminds me of comments saying "I am trying to 😫 "

no way they did 😭 ?

https://klipy.com/gifs/thank-you-satan-wreck-it-ralph--k01KR270FSJNYH0CKMRF6E7YQK2

[muted pecan]

did they

[sweet wolf]

I am curious now what made him call you a ped.

[fresh flower]

I was just saying

A child today wasn't considered a child back then

Therefore the "underage" marriages from back then were fine

[muted pecan]

ah ye you're the one who said todays 12yo would be like 25 "back in the day" so it was moral to f7ck a kid

[fresh flower]

Yes, by back thens morals

[muted pecan]

we werent talking about morals back then tho

just if it was moral or not, you said it was fine i said it was pdfilia

[fresh flower]

No, you tried to make a wrong today seem like a wrong back then, when it was fine. That's as silly as someone saying gays today are wrong, because they were wrong back then

[muted pecan]

just as slavery back then is slavery now

[obtuse idol]

Wait what

[fresh flower]

They're not comparable

[muted pecan]

why not, back then some people werent considered people so it was fine, same as 12yo girl would be considered mature so now we can't call it child abuse somehow?

as i said you're not even trying

[fresh flower]

We can and do, I'm saying that your modern values and morals shouldn't/don't change what was considered morally good back then

[fresh flower]

Are you going to resort to another autism fit with insults due to lack of solid counter-arguments

[muted pecan]

you said that it was ok tho, now you're placing that statement into modern values, i couldnt get you to agree thats wrong

[obtuse idol]

It's wrong at any time period

[muted pecan]

like you know, getting 12yo pregnant

[fresh flower]

But I did, which is why the mods told you to actually read the messages

[fresh flower]

Does that include the Old Testament

[obtuse idol]

Yes

The Old Testament has laws against that gng

[muted pecan]

yes and i replied asking if its fine as long as you imply it and dont say it out loud since it wasnt the reason why they told me that

[obtuse idol]

in islam theres no minimum age for marriage anyway

[fresh flower]

How old was Rebecca

[obtuse idol]

low tier

give me verses proving what you are trying to insuate

[muted pecan]

why does it matter since we are talking about historical sense not biblical insinuations

[muted pecan]

and yes im sorry bible actually sees nothing wrong in child marriage since mary was around 14 when she got pregnant with jesus

[obtuse idol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8tghA6Q0Eo
when their best muslim dawah bro got to say it out loud

[obtuse idol]

u cant show that from the bible

but here is what the bible does say regarding marriage

[fresh flower]

I was going to say 13 not 3 but sure

[muted pecan]

if you believe that it is real tho, thats the truth

[obtuse idol]

i mean youre taking one rabbi, Rashi

[fresh flower]

It matters because that's where the morals and values we discussed stemmed from

[obtuse idol]

even though a multittude of rabbis said otherwise regarding her age

[muted pecan]

we have cultural context

[fresh flower]

Jewish rabbinic tradition treated 12 years and 6 months as the age of womanhood for girls, as in eligible for marriage

Or is it treat, current tense

[obtuse idol]

yeah...which is past the flower of youth aka puberty

[fresh flower]

Not sure if they updated terms and conditions

[fresh flower]

Therefore it was considered "right"

[obtuse idol]

no

[fresh flower]

??

[obtuse idol]

Jesus called a girl in mark 5 who was 12 little

[muted pecan]

it started like that before i came yes our conversation didnt include morals based on biblical context tho, i never argued that its wrong according to bible since bible doesnt advocate against it and it also promotes incest so i couldn't care less

[obtuse idol]

doesnt make it right just because it was employed at a certai ntime

but chrisitnaity largely operates off virtue ethics

[bleak nacelle]

[obtuse idol]

like here St. Maximus the Confessor taught that virtues are upright dispositions of the soul that integrate the mind, will, desire, and body toward a common ultimate goal (telos) in cooperation with divine grace where he views the cultivation of virtues as a dynamic process that stabilizes human desire and orients it toward God...and that doesnt ignore science/reason

[fresh flower]

The Bible treats said 12 year old as woman

[obtuse idol]

literally here

[obtuse idol]

i cant tell if youre serious

[bleak nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yawn-yawning-cat-cat-sleep-sleepy-cat-kitty-gif-17953226150133683375

[fresh flower]

Specify your verses next time "Christian counsellor". Either way I don't see how this is relevant, Jewish rabbinic tradition treated 12 years and 6 months as the age of womanhood for girls, Jesus calling her a little girl implies nothing

How old were Mary and Rebecca?

[manic juniper]

Did you study the pagan reaction at school

[obtuse idol]

versions? its in every single bible, and what you posted doesnt show age anywhere, shitty "exegesis" but not surprised

[obtuse idol]

show me from the bible, go on

[muted pecan]

i found that historians think that girls were ready for marriage around the age of 12-14, whats the source for after the puberty? also puberty can end at 14, what was considered the end of it back then?

[obtuse idol]

jewish scholars say rebecca was 14-20, the concenssu

[bleak nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-scary-water-water-shaking-shaking-gif-17829914067447638174

[obtuse idol]

yeah antiquity said 12-14

but thats why i mentioned virtue ethics

and combining reason

heres the old testament link for puberty

[muted pecan]

at school? no they actually dont tell us this because it would destroy the image of christianity that saved our nation

[fresh flower]

14-20 when the Jewish rabbinic tradition makes a 12 year old eligible for marriage? Curious

[obtuse idol]

Christian theology relies on both the "Book of Scripture" and the "Book of Nature" (science, biology, observation), as both are considered revelations from God anyways. Modern medical and psychological studies (the Book of Nature) definitively show that child marriage causes severe physical and mental harm. Therefore, applying biblical virtue ethics (do no harm), it logically follows that the Bible prohibits child marriage. Furthermore, Jesus explicitly warned against corrupting children.

[manic juniper]

I guess so it was basically the last time paganism had an actual voice in Polish history

[obtuse idol]

judaism post second temple judaism and the exegesis of the mishnah/gemarah is not abiding to me

anyways christinaity isnt legalistic

[fresh flower]

If it's abiding to you or not is irrelevant, it's the foundation of which the OT was built on

[muted pecan]

breasts can form at age of 8 so thats even worse, also any sudden stop in development could be considered as being ready for marriage so now also 8/9 are on the table

[obtuse idol]

ah yes, the same people who reject the messiah is what i am abiding on

the interpretations of the gemarah

[fresh flower]

You reject the OT?

[obtuse idol]

im not talking about the tanakh

[obtuse idol]

youre talking about the interpretations from jewish rabbis not the tanakh....

[obtuse idol]

its interpreted as past puberty by the concensus of scholars

[muted pecan]

listen bro even if it was 14 its still bible saying 14 is old enough, thats just a dark side of it and there isnt anything you can do with it, there is a lot of cusred stuff there

[obtuse idol]

well yeah i never rejected that, what did i say from the start..virtue ethics

[mental rock]

olly bolly

[fresh flower]

I'm not, it's Jewish law, hence why the boys bar mitzvah is at 13 and a girls at 12, it hasn't changed since then, apart from not marrying them off today

[fresh flower]

Salam welcome

[mental rock]

salamat halla

[obtuse idol]

where is that in the tankah...go on

[muted pecan]

jesus said dont corrupt children, that doesnt specify what is considered to be a child. It was fine back then, thats why bible says its fine, ofc we understand the harm of it today

[sweet wolf]

was your old name peri by any chance?

[mental rock]

ya

[manic juniper]

Jesus also instakilled an innocent tree just because it didn't make enough figs but no one cares

[sweet wolf]

good to see you

[obtuse idol]

well harming a child via intercourse is corrupting them, and the same Jesus called a 12 year old a child, and later Paul says past puberty is when you get married which is....past 17 for females these days

[muted pecan]

based

[mental rock]

youbtoo

[obtuse idol]

well he cursed it

because of the link to Israel

[manic juniper]

It withered right after

[fresh flower]

Mishnah Avot 5:21 gives a specific age, the Tankah give 12-13 too according to "Later Jew scholars" since you played that card

[muted pecan]

jesus called a 12yo a child, what verse is that

[obtuse idol]

once again im not a jew, why are you giving me talmud

[languid rock]

That gives you certain context to understand the jewish thought in the first century

[manic juniper]

I'm talking about the Matthew parable

In that one he instakilled it

[obtuse idol]

debates between rabbis isnt giving context, especially 300 years after second temple judaism

[obtuse idol]

the talmud is 600 years after prophet malachi wdym?

[manic juniper]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 21%3A18-22&version=NIV

[obtuse idol]

"foundation of which the OT is built on"

[muted pecan]

interesting

so end of puberty is around 15, right?

[manic juniper]

Pretty much instakilled

[obtuse idol]

current research says 15-17 for females

[muted pecan]

ok so what about bible saying that 15 is ready for marriage then

[languid rock]

I agree and this world is so sickly for example yesterday I had to report a nasty post in X related to that. May God curse all of them

[muted pecan]

i mean good thing 8 is less probable, but thats still a child marriage

[obtuse idol]

and what did i say before..virtue ethics

[fresh flower]

Who said talmud, I gave you the tankah because YOU asked for it

[obtuse idol]

hey dummy, u gave me the mishnah

thats not the old testament you absolute simpleton

[wary oak]

people used to live to like 25 and died more often so thats something to take into account

[fresh flower]

You asked for it, how slow are you

Is this a Jew tactic where you ask for something then say it doesn't apply to you

[obtuse idol]

this is what u cited

u didnt even show anything from tanakh

if youre making a claim show evidence

[fresh flower]

Read the sentence, slowly

[languid rock]

Jews even wanna fool God. Dont be suprised

[fresh flower]

I'm using your own logic

[fresh flower]

Or does "Later interpretations" only apply when you want it to

[fresh flower]

Why's this guy sending Quran

[obtuse idol]

thats not quran

[bleak nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-cat-confused-math-aint-mathing-huh-cat-gif-883992111571860857

[languid rock]

We gotta be honest, dude: for Jews in the first century, a woman could marry when she hit puberty

[fresh flower]

Why are you deflecting to Islam

[obtuse idol]

nah have u read josephus

antiquities

[muted pecan]

how do virtue ethics explain anything here

[obtuse idol]

because christianity isnt legalistic, that was my entire point in the start

[fresh flower]

"Islam did worse so uhhh we were good if you think about it"

[obtuse idol]

but from a strictly textual interpretation pov, marriage is past the completion of puberty in both OT and NT

[muted pecan]

your point was that bible has rules against child marriage man

[languid rock]

Tell me about it , please

[fresh flower]

Which is age 12-13

[languid rock]

Yeah Islam did worse in secular terms

[obtuse idol]

yes...which i showed

[muted pecan]

thats 15 as we already agreed

[fresh flower]

Sure but it's moronic to defend his religion with "8 is worse than 12"

[muted pecan]

how is that not a child marriage man

[obtuse idol]

wait whats the colloquial definition of child

under 18?

[fresh flower]

Omg now he agrees with my initial point 💀💀💀💀

[muted pecan]

how 15yo is not a child

[languid rock]

Actually his religion allows him to have another opinion about it

[fresh flower]

That's not relevant

12 isn't better than 8

[muted pecan]

why every fucking conversation leads to pdf talking points tf how

[fresh flower]

What's next? A Jew saying "At least they weren't in diapers"?

[obtuse idol]

i mean from a strictly menstrual cycle pov..12 is better than 8

[muted pecan]

how is that even possible

[languid rock]

What's your point

[manic juniper]

The Discord effect

[fresh flower]

And that was the norm back then for when a girl became a woman and was allowed to be married off

REGARDLESS if you're Christian or Muslim

[muted pecan]

entering this server starts to feel illegal atp

[obtuse idol]

uh what

islam is fine with intercourse prior to first period

[fresh flower]

"It's bad when Muslims do it" is pretty much your entire argument atp

[obtuse idol]

no you made a claim and said "regardless if youre christian or muslim"

so take that back

dont group christianity and islam when they ahve different jurispudence regarding this matter

[fresh flower]

Yes, as in it's a child, and children were married off regardless if they were Christian or Muslim

[fresh flower]

They really don't unless you nitpick the difference between an 8 year old and 12 year old no

[obtuse idol]

there are barriers to that marriage in christianity bruh

[languid rock]

While the practice is prohibited within a secular legal framework, it is regarded as a Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in Islamic tradition. It's not mandatory so the Ummah don't have to follow it

[fresh flower]

That barrier is the "woman" being 12 years and 6 months

[obtuse idol]

a girl being married off at the cradle is sooo similar to a 12 year old huh

[fresh flower]

Wym secular terms we're not discussing today

[fresh flower]

So you literally nitpick ages and the difference between 8 and 12

https://tenor.com/view/sonion-gif-4370030053602687111

[obtuse idol]

we arent talking about 8 here are we

im comparing a child in the cradle to a 12 year old

furthermore the child at 12 underwent her first menstrual cycle

dont straw man what im saying

[fresh flower]

Aisha was 9, no idea who else you're referring to, 9 and 12 is a huge difference to you?

[muted pecan]

usa gave black people rights in 1865 and you think that 12yo kids 2 thousand years ago had any rights

[obtuse idol]

she didnt hit puberty but i wasnt referring to her, i was addressing the fiqh

[fresh flower]

Send it

[fresh flower]

Not sure how that makes 12 seem better but lets read

[languid rock]

USA was is and will be insane

[languid rock]

I have to be honest, this sounds sickly

[obtuse idol]

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6130

[fresh flower]

Yes 9, I know this

[languid rock]

As a person who grew up in the West

[obtuse idol]

literally read

she was saghira

[muted pecan]

well give them some credit that was not even 100 years after their country started existing

[languid rock]

Maybe If I were born in a Muslim country I'd be like okay and

[fresh flower]

I did, married off at 6 and consumated at 9, how's that any better or worse than both at the age of 12

[languid rock]

As far as I know Muhammad did not know here until she reach puberty

[obtuse idol]

how hard is it to read holy

[fresh flower]

Are you saying that being married off at 12 is better because at least she isn't a toddler

[languid rock]

Sorry

[obtuse idol]

not u

[languid rock]

Dang this is a hard statement

[obtuse idol]

but the position of a vast majority of scholars is she hit puberty at 14...at khaybar

[languid rock]

Luckely we don't have to take that as dogma, it's just an opinion

[fresh flower]

Married off at 6 and consumated at 9, we get it, not sure why you're spamming. We're not discussing Islam though, we're discussing how that makes 12 seem better

[languid rock]

By Allah

Audhibillahi mina sheitan il rajim

[obtuse idol]

i think youre a very dishonest interlocutor who shifts the burden of evidence, doesnt know how we epistemologically derive something via an internal critique, and cant steel man things or essentially talk out of your ass

[neon sierra]

😭

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-sopranos-paulie-laughing-the-sopranos-tony-soprano-gif-23785315

[obtuse idol]

now if anyone wants to engage via verses, scholars, coherent informal arguments then sure

not entertaining the simpleton

[fresh flower]

Sure buddy 12 is fine but 9 is bad because uhhhh 3 years‼️💯💯👍🏻👍🏻

[languid rock]

Well they are not infallible they could be mistaken

[bleak nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/say-whaaat-gif-18261283115155956121

[obtuse idol]

i mean my argument was from the fiqh anyway

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-gif-22219180

[mint parrot]

@fresh flower Look at general chat

[obtuse idol]

read first two paragraphs regarding the ijma

[fresh flower]

"When Muslims do it it's bad" 😡😡😡😡😡

[obtuse idol]

https://dorar.net/en/feqhia/351

[languid mango]

Olli do you have slow mode off

[languid rock]

Fiqh allowed to do shirk by peregrinating tombs

[fresh flower]

Yes, I'm all powerful in this chat

[languid mango]

Yo arse lucky

[fresh flower]

It's reserved to true intellectuals like me and @quasi needle

[languid rock]

Ok this is over in any case I'll check it out

[neon sierra]

rain dont view this channel

its not for u

[mint parrot]

Wut

Cowlii makes me feel like a kafr

[fresh flower]

Don't listen to her

Listen to this instead

https://youtu.be/sHsK2c_9Jh8

[mint parrot]

https://youtu.be/TAtxsWyiRG4?si=oNpor5zxQK-HqTjv
This one sounds better

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-looking-away-gif-26704349

please dont read the messages in this channel

[languid rock]

What is wrong with this

[languid mango]

Actually first one sounds better
I like it from my Instagram feed

[fresh flower]

It's trash bro no offence

[mint parrot]

Take it back or i will come to Sweden with 10 children

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-23893070

[neon sierra]

cant explain

[languid rock]

Do you think he can give up Islam because of this?

[mint parrot]

Damn my imam is that weak

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[languid rock]

Iqra

[mint parrot]

Inshalla

[neon sierra]

my iman weakened rlly much with this app

and i cant answer that question for her

[languid rock]

I dont know why I am even saying this after reading what I read I have doubts but I know that is part of human nature

But if this turns out what it seems to be certainly I'll give up this deen

[neon sierra]

it is, but at some point, we are doing this to ourselves too much. You cant gain information here especially from people that doesn’t understand religion and understandings of verses or hadiths

[neon sierra]

trust in God, with time you will get the answers for your questions

it took me years, i got them eventually. if your heart is not open for the truth, your eyes wont see it

so give urself time and dont trust people online with what they share about islam

[manic juniper]

Is it like the Force but for Muslims

[languid rock]

Yk, whom God guides, no one can lead astray, and those whom God leads astray, no one can guide

[neon sierra]

.

[manic juniper]

Don't trust people online ever unless they are asking for credit card details

[neon sierra]

its ok to have questions btw

[mint parrot]

Can I have your credit card details

[neon sierra]

wdym with force

[manic juniper]

You may as well get them since it'll expire in two months

[manic juniper]

The Force from Star Wars

Like spiritual power

[mint parrot]

I use cash actually

[neon sierra]

yes

its the inner faith u have

[manic juniper]

I do too it's much better to me

Never having to fear it'll fail

[manic juniper]

Nice then I guess it's a fair comparison

[mint parrot]

Because it's not that much 😔

[languid rock]

I also know about the predestination of God, so if you are a kffr, that is by God's decree, and if you are a believer, that is by God's decree, there is no middle point

[neon sierra]

i dont agree

the questioner needs guidance.

i mean people can have weak times

ur imaan will not always be the highest

[manic juniper]

Forced to invest to keep taxes low but I don't know how to invest

[languid rock]

If people can prove it doesn't matter if they don't have a bachelor's, master's, or PhD in theology, then the point is the strength of the arguments

[languid rock]

That's also right

[neon sierra]

there is a lot of high scholars who have different opinions

it has with how u view on religion

thats why we have aqidahs

[mint parrot]

I'm glad we don't have to pay tax for everything

[languid rock]

Of course, but the consensus also has weight in questions of faith

[fresh flower]

I'm the last trustable Islamic scholar here 💔

[languid rock]

Are you muslim, pal?

[fresh flower]

No

[mint parrot]

I have a question

Why do those who know a lot about different religions always end up being atheists?

[fresh flower]

I'm not atheist don't insult me like that bro

That's like me calling you Arab

I refuse to be confused with these "people"

[mint parrot]

Then what

[mint parrot]

Any atheist or someone like they believe in god but not religion are like that

[neon sierra]

he is athsts

and if u believe in God but not religions its another thing

[wet flax]

its being a theist

simple one

[manic juniper]

No it's deist

Theist is someone who believes in specific god or religion

[neon sierra]

what if u believe that god intervenes

[wet flax]

deism is an another thing

[manic juniper]

How

[wet flax]

theism just means belief in a god

[neon sierra]

isnt both of these words too not specific

[wet flax]

deism believes a god exist but is not active on the universe

and some others things idk

while theism just believe a god exist but no specific religion has to follow him

or prolly he has no revelated, yet

a god infact does not have to be omnilogy to be called god

[manic juniper]

I thought that theism was any religious belief

[wet flax]

all religious are theist

but not all theist are religious

just believing a god exist butr no religion follows him is being a theist

classical or not one

though even a quantum law could be 'god'

[fresh flower]

I'm agnostic, I hate atheists

[mint parrot]

Oli playing with words

[languid rock]

It depends on the person

[mint parrot]

Any of them i have met were like that

[fresh flower]

No bro that's a real thing

Lots of people are agnostic

I believe you have to be stupid to be atheist

[mint parrot]

Mr agnostic since you know about all religions and that much why don't believe in one

[wet flax]

i studied many religions yet im still religious am i special to you then

[mint parrot]

I don't really care about people's belief but i wanna know whyyy

[fresh flower]

When you gamble and several odds can win you don't put all your money in one pot

[mint parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/congo-big-ass-diamond-herkermer-holmolka-tim-curry-gif-16513290

[mint parrot]

I'm already sick I can't think please be clear 😔

[wet flax]

to reach the anatoxy ts cool to be atheist

[fresh flower]

Lets say I believe in Allah

I die, it turns out Lord Ram is the only true God

Then I will be sent to Hindu hell

Why would I gamble on one God, instead of all

[wet flax]

but if you don't choose any religion you will end in hell anyway ?

[mint parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-thing-with-an-eye-looking-shocked-nosolohit-gif-5084550986372761439

[fresh flower]

The only way to win is to not play, then I can claim innocence. An atheist cannot

[mint parrot]

I will ask you again after i got recovered

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mitosis-gif-5938797153464928683

[fresh flower]

Get well soon bro go eat an onion it helps

[wet flax]

playing innocence does not mean you're not guilty

infact Gods might have the same speech

'i revealed to the world, you didn't believe.'

[mint parrot]

My chips are crying in the fridge 😔

[fresh flower]

Exactly, that's an atheist, who knowingly rejects God

[wet flax]

how are you different ?

if you both denied any religion, it relies at the same end

[mint parrot]

Where's izze

[wet flax]

do you think a god exist ?

[fresh flower]

I haven't denied his or other God's existance

Invincible ignorance, I'll be judged separately from stupid atheists

[wet flax]

God does not care about belief of ignorance, as Abrahamic faith says god is a jealous God, he wants to be worshipped so you can be happy

[wet flax]

at the end you will end at the opposite of a believer

believing in a god is not the same as believing in God (religious one)

[fresh flower]

Sure, let's say I believe that and become Christian today. I die tomorrow and it turns out Lord Ram was the only true God, how do I win

[wet flax]

its pay to lose

[fresh flower]

Those rules only make sense IF your God is the one true one

[fresh flower]

That's the thing, I'm 50/50 on that

[wet flax]

you believe in God existence, as a divinity without religious views ?

[wet flax]

id say ure a theist, not an agnostic

[fresh flower]

Sure why not, it's as plausible as no Gods

[fresh flower]

How does that make me a theist

I'm 50/50 because you'll never know until you die

[wet flax]

right

[languid mango]

Cute ngl

[fresh flower]

Imagine you die and it turns out Nergal was the one true God

[languid mango]

I'm, yes

[neon sierra]

some people try to force yall into the same category

[neon sierra]

now it makes sense

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

[fresh flower]

It's evil atheists and religious people who do

[mint parrot]

Haaaaaaaaa

[fresh flower]

This us agnostics

[mint parrot]

Go sleep 😭

[neon sierra]

nice turkish drawing

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

i mean agnostic is such a huge thing, everyone is different

[mint parrot]

New way to share messages

[neon sierra]

u can be agnostic and closer to atheism

and the other way around

[wary oak]

gnostic mfs got the coolest drawings

[mint parrot]

Turkey is European no turkey is arab

[mint parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[languid mango]

Oh yeah it's may 8th

[neon sierra]

not both, which is the better way

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

u need to sleep

AKENY

[languid mango]

WHAT

[neon sierra]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

DID U READ THE TEXT

[languid mango]

I replied to the pic

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

[languid mango]

:PPPP

[neon sierra]

:<

[wet flax]

agnosticism atheism is not a thing

[mint parrot]

trial of the hajaj

[neon sierra]

how, it is a way of belief

[mint parrot]

Oh no it was the 7th may

[fresh flower]

That's insensitive bro

[mint parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mitosis-gif-5938797153464928683

[wet flax]

its just a discordian belief

[fresh flower]

It's like saying trans women aren't real women

[languid mango]

Yeah a Genocide happened here on the same day, 1945

[neon sierra]

fr

[neon sierra]

uhh…

[fresh flower]

Let's discuss trans people 😈😈😈

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

how agnostic are u

[wet flax]

its just agnosticism alone

[mint parrot]

Oli talks too much about trans i guess he fell in love with a trans

[wet flax]

his gf is a bf ?

[fresh flower]

@burnt galleon

[neon sierra]

i dont think there is a clear definition of that

[fresh flower]

The whole idea of agnosticism is being 50/50

[neon sierra]

just that agnosticism is equal to questionig

[wet flax]

agnosticism just means not knowing

[neon sierra]

or questioning

[wet flax]

not knowing.

[neon sierra]

when u find the answers u know

[neon sierra]

we are saying the same thing

do yall think a person thats agnostic can go back to religion

or that it mostly makes u an atheist

that u go that way

[fresh flower]

Yes

Just like how some people convert to another religion

No different

[neon sierra]

how do u stop questioning

🫠

[fresh flower]

You don't

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

[fresh flower]

Seeking knowledge is sunnah

Allah SWT told us it strengthens ones faith

[neon sierra]

true

but i mean different questions, idk

im not agnostic btw

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

[mint parrot]

Bro they are still arguing in general 😭

May god give me their energy

Amen

[languid mango]

W sheikh ngl

I like his energy

[fresh flower]

A lost sheep cannot be found if it doesn't wimper and make noise

[manic juniper]

Arguing about e-dating?

What else would they argue about

[mint parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-thing-with-an-eye-looking-shocked-nosolohit-gif-5084550986372761439

Came from nowhere 😭

I'm speechless

[manic juniper]

It's general lore

[neon sierra]

i dont understand but ok

[mint parrot]

He was running away but not this time

[neon sierra]

Rain do u know what şerfedine is

[languid mango]

Ig ig

[mint parrot]

Singer? Or song idk

[neon sierra]

no its yezidism

[mint parrot]

What is it

Their eid?

[fresh flower]

Kurds haven't discovered metaphors yet. It means that Allah won't help and guide you if he doesn't hear you, questioning is included in that

[neon sierra]

name of religion

https://tenor.com/view/baffled-cat-baffled-cat-in-shock-gif-8867631620019164080

[mint parrot]

So it's a name of ezdism?

[neon sierra]

yes

[mint parrot]

How many words they have

[turbid dome]

Did I lose it

Nope

[limpid night]

Hello guys

[agile cipher]

Is there anyone here who lives in Sweden and has all the information about Sweden?

[fringe dagger]

Zlatan ibrahimovic

[pseudo flume]

Yes, but he only talks to indians and Nepalese

[upper peak]

Lol 😆 , who is he?

[pseudo flume]

@fresh flower

[upper peak]

But his bio , says other things..🫪🤣

[grave falcon]

Hello.

[quasi needle]

Hm

[plain ruin]

@fervent imp not sure if you saw my ticket yesterday, seju is delaying his ban, check this out #1236713261421035620 message

[fresh flower]

What's up bro

[fresh flower]

Atp they have to like call his ISP

[plain ruin]

Lowkey already know his ISP

[fresh flower]

I will call them

What's their number

+977

[grave falcon]

Huh?

Isn't finding ISPs illegal?

[plain ruin]

Nothing illegal about it

[fresh flower]

Who lied to you

Mine is Bahnof

[grave falcon]

Why exactly do you have an ISP of someone else?

[plain ruin]

What's illegal is sharing private information online to strangers for the purpose of getting them harassed

[plain ruin]

Just in case I think he's gone too far with his actions, so that authorities can provide him help

[grave falcon]

Huh? Why? What happened?

[plain ruin]

He's a very unstable individual

If I think he's a danger to himself or others, I'll look into options

[plain ruin]

Ooredoo on top 😎☝️

[grave falcon]

Wait, who is it? I checked the discussion thread you had but didn't see anything suspicious.

[plain ruin]

Yes, because he's avoiding his ban with a new account... He's been pretending he's a new person that's never seen the server before

[grave falcon]

What's he gone by before?

[plain ruin]

His last account was banned for death threats, insulting staff members, insulting people

[grave falcon]

Does anyone have screenshots so I can see what happened?

[plain ruin]

Too many names, too much information, mods are already monitoring his new account

[grave falcon]

What is the name of the guy who's unstable, though?

[plain ruin]

Oh wow, you're interesting

[grave falcon]

I am indeed. I want to know so I can help out too.

[plain ruin]

There's no need as such. We're going to check with the right people to actually have a discussion with him about what he's doing wrong, at some point, so that he doesn't end up getting harassed or harmed by others, just giving him some time to marinate

@grave falcon I'm giving you some advice, some of those individuals in that chat actually encourage him because of them sharing beliefs, I've talked to them before

Don't waste your time there

[grave falcon]

I hate to be stubborn, but I do want to ask what he did wrong.

[plain ruin]

The more better mods of Ask a Christian are not online these days, waiting for one of them

[plain ruin]

Death threats, harassment, insults, avoiding bans without apologizing

[grave falcon]

Death threats?

[plain ruin]

There's more

[grave falcon]

You got me curious. What did he do that started this? Like, what's he telling people?

[plain ruin]

Yup. When he got muted once. Now he's a little bit more stable, we just want to have a convo with him at a better time

[plain ruin]

Started with him spending his entire day talking negatively about every belief that isn't christianity

[grave falcon]

Well, hopefully he's okay now.

[plain ruin]

Knowing his history it might be a while before he acts out again, since he's addicted to debating

We'll see

[grave falcon]

When you said "death threats," what was he telling people? Did he just say it to a lot or anyone who had beliefs?

[plain ruin]

I don't think I'll share that
People know enough

He said it to a mod that muted him for abusive language

[grave falcon]

I have one question.

Is this guy possibly named Mirth?

[mystic bay]

Nurgle

[plain ruin]

Nope, no clue who that is

[grave falcon]

Alright.

[opal garnet]

Anyone up for debate?

[fresh flower]

YO HOLY SHIT

[plain ruin]

If that's someone on here that you're concerned about, shoot a message, I'm still collecting things about the other guy

[fresh flower]

@plain ruin

Are you thinking what I'm thinking

[plain ruin]

You thinking of who I am thinking

[fresh flower]

Yuuuurrrr 💀💀💀💀

[plain ruin]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fresh flower]

Where is it💀💀💀

[plain ruin]

Do yk how much I found out about her bf bro

She went to his birthday party or sum and I was shocked she even went outside, ended up wishing him 😭

Bro is REAL 😭

[sweet wolf]

For example ahh

[fresh flower]

There's no way bro

[plain ruin]

Bro

He said thank you for wishing me in a voice message

She pulled before Carpe

Multiversal level downfall for him

[opal garnet]

Does anyone know of shayari or hindi poetry? Wanna vc?

[summer sphinx]

aight bro

[fresh flower]

Are you taking that

[muted pecan]

ayo

[muted pecan]

only one thing in my head, 5 grams of coke
fly away alone, to the land of oblivion

i have thoughts in my head, when will this state end?
when i wont be alone anymore? because white eel will come

[humble salmon]

Bro needs to lay off the drugs and get into pepsi tbh

[muted pecan]

its been 10 years and i think Cypis is still depressed tho

[turbid dome]

🐄 🐮

[muted pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrxv0JNVtgY&list=RDqrxv0JNVtgY&start_radio=1

[humble salmon]

Aye

[humble salmon]

Oh so that's the name of the song noted

[muted pecan]

FUCKING DESCNT IS SO EXHAUSTING LIKE A LOCUST BITING YOUR PP

[humble salmon]

Well thats something

[muted pecan]

chemist party i wanna go skiing, to my diller not to alps
oh my fucking god i'll flip if i dont spray anything into my noseee

[humble salmon]

Just breathe and take oxygen you know air

[muted pecan]

he also has a song about getting black out drunk full year around

he used to be popular in primary schools lmao

[urban swift]

Looks interesting wish could understand it

[muted pecan]

wait elementary school

[humble salmon]

Wdym primary schools lmao

[muted pecan]

there are english translations, this one got popular with polish dancing cow meme

[muted pecan]

we used to sing his songs on school trips lmao

[humble salmon]

Damn bro was that famous in polska?

[fervent oxide]

not military structure ?

that's a surprise

[humble salmon]

Wdymm tbh?

[muted pecan]

ofc it was helloooo

some years after younger kids used to sing "p0ssy over my head, p-p-p0ssy over my head, shake your ass, s-s-shake your ass" on school breaks, that was wayy worse

that was a whole poland issue tho i remember it being on the news lol

[humble salmon]

The eminem of poland eh?

[muted pecan]

its like that in every country, kids like the pathological things the most

in usa they larp as gang members tho

[muted pecan]

nahhh thats Oki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLg8Fh8yQyQ&list=RDdLg8Fh8yQyQ&start_radio=1

[humble salmon]

Source: Wikipedia https://share.google/jNPgDpMH3Lozs7aXP

I mean we had this jn America tbh

[fervent oxide]

this type of building was frequently being targeted and labelled as military stucture and terrorist shelters

[humble salmon]

Damn in poland really?

[high rapids]

In a world full of 67 you´re my 161

[muted pecan]

minecraft tells you that schools in poland were a terrorist operation bases, why are you even listening to him

[muted pecan]

oh we have that 24/7 but less, in elementary schools our priest told us that rock and metal are "satanic sounds" lmao

[humble salmon]

Oh i was thinking about something else tbh not that lmao

[turbid dome]

My grandmother didn’t allow my dad to listen to certain types of music because “AC/DC was devilworshipper music”

[high rapids]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRsYcLqy/

[humble salmon]

We gotta get @high rapids as a honorary north korean tbh

[high rapids]

thanks thanks

[muted pecan]

The Polish left wants to ban priests from hearing children's confessions

based

[humble salmon]

And the right and center?

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/hobi-math-hobi-inventor-of-mathematics-head2seoker-gif-26488646

[muted pecan]

political polarization hit so hard we dont really have a true center anymore, right is shitting themselves tho

[humble salmon]

So poland has been centerless eh?

[muted pecan]

we had a centrist political party, but it went into the coalition with left and tbh i dont even know whats happening anymore

but yeah its just right vs left since a while now

[humble salmon]

Well at least the sejm works finethen, right?

[muted pecan]

uhh well they are doing something, so i guess? it doesnt matter anymore since our president is vetoing everything from the left to piss them off

[humble salmon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/1t6gzxy/sony_was_founded_on_this_day_in_1946_its_first/

[muted pecan]

so yeah nothing gets done since he became president last year

[high rapids]

Which one should I buy guys

[humble salmon]

So poland heading towards a presidential Republic then?

[humble salmon]

Which does appeal to you the most?

[high rapids]

both

[muted pecan]

lmao i googled that and he proposed it YESTERDAY

29% survayed wants presidental republic

[humble salmon]

Which one is more comfortable? And convenient?

[muted pecan]

AND he wants to change the constitution?

[high rapids]

The left one

[humble salmon]

Aye left one it is then

[high rapids]

thanks

[muted pecan]

yeah right one is kinda weird, left will look good with anything you wear also

[fresh flower]

Right

Left one is for a child

You're not a child

[muted pecan]

behold, a child

[mystic bay]

Is that you

[fresh flower]

You old as shit dawg no offence

[mystic bay]

Father Christmas for the rest of the year

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/hyperich's-hyperichs-gif-16284268020072465553

[muted pecan]

yes ofc it is

[mystic bay]

https://tenor.com/view/peachandgoma-tampo-peach-sad-peachmad-gif-24065118

[muted pecan]

im just a humble old man, in my spare time i hike and collect rocks

then i go back home and pray to god for rain

so my lil cucumbers can grow

[high rapids]

you´re lying

[muted pecan]

how dare you tell me im lying

god will judge you for that

[high rapids]

I don´t think so

I´m such a good person

[muted pecan]

i do, he told me that just now after he complimanted my cucumbers

[high rapids]

"he told me"

[muted pecan]

who are you to question god and my cucumbers

[high rapids]

you´re a sinner

[shy summit]

I thought you were atheist

[mystic bay]

Sinner gang

[high rapids]

no

[muted pecan]

nu uh, god spoke to me so it doesnt work like that

why would god speak with sinners

[high rapids]

thats the kind of question you should answer me

[muted pecan]

btw i dont know why you dont just use "god spoke to me" card in discussions about bible, no one can deny this

[mystic bay]

Sure they can

[muted pecan]

also there is no way to reject that

[mystic bay]

Sure there is

Atheists do

[muted pecan]

no one can enter your mind and check

[mystic bay]

That doesn't mean they can't reject it

[muted pecan]

yeah because we think that its a bunch of bs, atheistic approach doesnt really apply to any bible discussion

[mystic bay]

Of course it does

Atheists can and do study the bible

Just look at Bart Ehrman

[muted pecan]

rejecting it would mean disagreeing with religion

unless your specific religious branch have some kind of "rules" when it comes to speaking with god but i dont think so

there is no way for religious person to deny that someone spoke with god, because there is no way to confirm that either

[mystic bay]

Well, Christianity says that God has already spoken clearly through his Word, above all in the person of Jesus

[muted pecan]

christianity also said that pope had a passage from god, a lot of times didnt it

[mystic bay]

Yes, certainly

And we are also instructed to test those things by scripture

[muted pecan]

so it all comes back to bible interpretations doesnt it huh

[mystic bay]

Yes, naturally

[muted pecan]

so you cant just deny that someone spoke with god

[mystic bay]

But I suppose it just doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother you

[muted pecan]

indestructible argument

[mystic bay]

We are interpreting each other right now

There are many different interpretations of Aristotle

[muted pecan]

it doesnt bother me since its a discussion not an argument as you should notice

[mystic bay]

It doesn't mean that it is simply a free-for-all

Nor does it cause me to lose any sleep

[mystic bay]

But you seem to be especially preoccupied with the question of interpretation, as if it is a unique bible problem

It's just a language problem, and yet we all deal with it day by day

[muted pecan]

so why couldnt umm lets sayyyy Trump just saysomething and then argue that god told him that? what would be the procedure to call it into question

[mystic bay]

I think it is reasonable to take a generally sceptical attitude towards those kinds of claims

Trump can believe it, and that's fine

[shy summit]

He already does that

[mystic bay]

For the Christian, the natural place to start would be to test it against scripture

[muted pecan]

just because that was our topic yesterday doesnt mean im especially preoccupied with it, you saying that its tested by scripture directly refers to interpretation problem also

[mystic bay]

Yes, you are right

It does all come back to interpretation

I just don't see why that is a problem.

[muted pecan]

so please stop with those passive agressive add-ons

[mystic bay]

If you study any text with seriousness, there will be interpretation questions and disagreements

Like I say, I have studied the writings of Aristotle probably more closely than I have studied the Bible

And there are a heap of interpretative disagreements there

[muted pecan]

someone getting messages from god should be a huge deal tho, how do you deny or accept those claims

[mystic bay]

You just learn to accept it as a part of serious textual study

[mystic bay]

You're right, it is a big deal if true.

[gusty kite]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-fight-77--k01KQHBV995GK4YH91R43Y5XW8Y

[muted pecan]

...so yall accept whatever people say just because they said god told them this? or what is this about

[mystic bay]

And I think I already said that it is healthy and reasonable to be sceptical of such claims

[gusty kite]

You guys still yapping about religious stuff

[muted pecan]

yeah its called "conversation"

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[mystic bay]

I have no idea how you got that out of what I said

[gusty kite]

https://tenor.com/view/yawngirl-yawnkid-yawn-yawnkidwithbobhair-gif-18915261

[wind zephyr]

This is always the main topic

[abstract cypress]

you'd love thomas aquinas

[muted pecan]

you send a lot of messages and its hard to specify what reffers to what excatly there could be a mistake with that on my part

[gusty kite]

Maybe try something else like feminism 🔥

[mystic bay]

It's possible

[mystic bay]

He's ok

I've written a couple of articles on Thomas

[abstract cypress]

wdyt of 5 ways

[mystic bay]

I think that at least three of the five ways are quite strong

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[abstract cypress]

I don't think any of his 5 ways are satisfactory

[mystic bay]

Well I'd be happy to discuss it after work

[abstract cypress]

Not to say he's wrong, because I am not an atheist

neither am I a christian

[gusty kite]

Alright you can start with your opinion

[wind zephyr]

No ,I am not interested in this topics

[muted pecan]

thats one of the worst ideas i saw today

[hidden shore]

Fuck just said do you believe in god or no

[wind zephyr]

I believe

[hidden shore]

Good boy

[gusty kite]

U gonna lose it. Don't u

[wind zephyr]

Hbu

[muted pecan]

yeah judging by your approach its even worse than i thought

[abstract cypress]

no one can prove god anyway

[gusty kite]

No one is interested in this one. It's so boring. Idk why people wanna push others to believe in what they believe

[hidden shore]

Surely We can eliminate all both atheists and agnostics people from all around the world

[wind zephyr]

U also can't proof from where this world started

[wind zephyr]

U are also atheist

[abstract cypress]

Evidence suggest credence to the theory the world formed 4 billion years ago from flaming space rock

[hidden shore]

I am god, the last son of god, god message me to eliminate the atheists and agnostics people

[muted pecan]

most sane people can do that man

[wind zephyr]

Hm a flaming space rock can give this complex life forms

[wind zephyr]

💀

[abstract cypress]

an interesting development for sure

[fervent oxide]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2052629745616163036?s=46

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)

Hitler was a socialist, therefore all socialists are Hitler

X · May 8, 2026, 6:00 AM

[wind zephyr]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2052629745616163036?s=46

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)

Hitler was a socialist, therefore all socialists are Hitler

X · May 8, 2026, 6:00 AM

No attachment?

[abstract cypress]

lifeforms certainly didn't emerge because some magic creature said so or raised men from clay

[muted pecan]

and thats from today?? we entering another mechahitler era soon

[hidden shore]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2052629745616163036?s=46

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)

Hitler was a socialist, therefore all socialists are Hitler

X · May 8, 2026, 6:00 AM

[wind zephyr]

I hate x

[muted pecan]

yeah truth social is wayyy better

[abstract cypress]

ts is peak

[wind zephyr]

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