🧠｜serious-chat

[woven quail]

I think only the last one directly came from Iran other were all coming from Iraq those groups that are with Iran

[quasi needle]

God damn the PMF is bigger than the UK army

I know their tech is miles worse but the UK army is tiny

[neon sierra]

damnn

[woven quail]

U mean in shngal ?

[neon sierra]

yes

[quasi needle]

My dad does budgeting for the UK army and he complains daily about how the government has kept cutting how many soldiers there are

I think they plan on raising it now though

[neon sierra]

yk in schools they rlly soft tell about the trade

[woven quail]

Well they got surrounded bro what will they gonna do

[neon sierra]

i mean it is ten times worse

than what we read

do you guys know where the word

mthrfckr means

[quasi needle]

I had to watch some pretty bad stuff

[neon sierra]

comes from*

they forced them to

[woven quail]

Do u know during saddam time in Iraq saddam told his father Mustafa barzani here is your Kurdistan region but without karkuk he didn’t accept it he said all Kurdistan or none

[neon sierra]

🍇.

their mthrs

[neon sierra]

and now krkuk is gone

[woven quail]

Damn I feel so aura with that pfp

[neon sierra]

…

[quasi needle]

unc

[woven quail]

Thanks to the jash

[neon sierra]

but this is one of the reasons why yazidis hate kurds

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/big-eyes-cat-spooked-scared-cat-gif-12115562663754513073

i better sleep

[woven quail]

Do u know that pafl is friends and Allie’s with the Iranian groups in Iraq

[woven quail]

Even masoud barzani son was in that war for himself
But after they got surrounded they had to leave or they were gonna die

I should go and sleep too

[burnt galleon]

You’re the democracy itself incarnate.

[urban swift]

Blacks would support slavery too if they could enslave other race/community

[urban swift]

https://tenor.com/view/eagle-bald-eagle-democracy-act-now-flag-gif-21797761

[still perch]

Do you guys fear ai taking your job?

[high raven]

No, it was more of an aid than a detriment. Do you?

[fervent imp]

What’s fun here

[verbal drift]

Who wants to debate

[still perch]

But it is the reason most job cuts are happening

[still perch]

Yeah I fear about it

[still perch]

On what ?

[verbal drift]

Religion

[still perch]

Which one ?

[verbal drift]

Anyone

[still perch]

I am non religious person

[high raven]

There's misinformation perpetrated by both camps, AI is almost everywhere yes but the job losses directly attributed to it are in lighter administrative tasks and entry-level jobs that are simple enough to be automated. The actual figures are predominantly due to increased costs of operation, mismanagement and downsizing

[high raven]

There's no reason to unless you work with the previously mentioned

[cinder tundra]

What's up

[solemn cloud]

Clouds

[still perch]

I am not worried about the present but about future

[still perch]

Many thing is it can be automated at near future as more model keep coming

[verbal drift]

Why

[still perch]

Why should I be religious

[high raven]

It's a far and distant future, it's more likely that neither one of us will see it. All the new stuff you read about is hype to gain subscriptions and garner investments since they're all losing money

OpenAI's own forecast predicts around a $14 billion loss in 2026, none of these companies are sustainable

[still perch]

But you cant deny the progress they perform which will be picked up by other companies after they die out anyway

[verbal drift]

Is murder wrong?

[verbal drift]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-spanky-gif-27244924

Dude blocked me for no reason

[still perch]

Depends on who u are killing

[verbal drift]

What is murder? 🤔

[crimson sapphire]

what 're you talking abut

[still perch]

Explain the condition of murder

[still perch]

Killing other

[high raven]

You can't no, but anything that requires more cognitive ability than the absolute basic won't be replaced yet

Best to just study something that isn't CS related honestly, that will keep you safe for a few decades

[still perch]

But it allows one person to do multiple tasks and be like a reviewer Then actually working on it

Cutting jobs more

[river token]

Be really good at what you do in your field and you'll be the last to go.

[high raven]

In data related fields yes absolutely

[still perch]

Thats a joke , ai will always be smarter then human at these task as more progress happen

[high raven]

It's currently not smarter than you

[verbal drift]

Unjustified murder tho

[still perch]

Even in security jobs too 💀 that was claim to be the safest from ai

[verbal drift]

Religion. What's your religion?

[still perch]

Then its wrong

[urban swift]

Keyword : currently

[crimson sapphire]

muslim

[still perch]

It is very smart . while agi isn't ready yet , its capability to reach that point at nearby future is undeniable

[verbal drift]

What if it's justified killing?

[urban swift]

That's not a religion, islam is

[verbal drift]

Salafi?

[high raven]

AGI is decades away

[still perch]

Then its right

[still perch]

Its not agi that we fear . Its ai that can do our job

[crimson sapphire]

sunni

[verbal drift]

It's not murder then?

[verbal drift]

What school of thought?

[still perch]

No thats murder straight

[river token]

AI learns at an exponential rate, absolutely. But AI usually changes jobs more than it deletes them. The people with experience who learn how to use AI tend to become more valuable.

At the rate AI is going, you've to be the bottom of the barrel to be replaced by a tool that needs overlooking and is a pattern machine.

[high raven]

It realistically cannot unless it's basic data management or automation, not even AI-agents are fully fledged yet. It's fear-mongering perpetrated by the companies to increase their revenue, and people who overestimate an LLM's capabilities

Very few job cuts have been directly attributed to AI

[verbal drift]

But murder is unjustified killing

[crimson sapphire]

hanafi

maybe

[urban swift]

What a timeline to be alive pfft!
Can't wait to get annihilated by it.
It should be abandoned or we soon living in dystopia

[river token]

"More progress" is very vague. AI isn't as profitable as you think it is, it needs a lot of capital and natural resources. Even one of the biggest AI companies struggle generating the revenue proportionate to the expenditure.

[shell hemlock]

did you pray fajr today

[high raven]

The best thing to do if you genuinely fear AI taking over your job is to study medicine

There's no such thing as an unemployed doctor

[shell hemlock]

imagine the day when ai can generate its own water

[river token]

To add to this, the term you hear being thrown everywhere, "AI bubble bursting" doesn't mean AI is going to disappear, it just means, it means that a lot of the weaker AI companies will go bust, leading to a recession.

[urban swift]

And the pollution it brings in.

Humans can't settle around it

[river token]

So, be good at what you do. Having an excellent skillset in any field is an edge, to humans and AI alike.

[urban swift]

Jeez

[still perch]

It doesn't specify the amount of people or job market . It's like telling learning will make u better then Other that's all Lol .

We humans are pattern machines as we perform tasks in patterns. So its maximum capability is to take over end points . ai will decrease the Am mount of people needed For the job in huge ratio as they become capable if performing similar task as human

[urban swift]

You can't do much when it's designed with the focus of eliminating mass labour to suit capitalist markets

[river token]

Atleast for now, when AI is not cognitively sound to make judgement. It just predicts.

[zinc patio]

Why serious

[high raven]

I think it's fair to say that if you get replaced by an actual automation script right now, you're part to blame yourself

[still perch]

That's the current scenario , What about the future. Ai can take part in every task To be performed in software . What if we train ai on the data specific to a certain field and ignoring Other ? It becomes More and more capable of replacing humans who are in better position .

[high raven]

Neither one of us will live to see that

[urban swift]

Bro's talking like sold out politician

[still perch]

That's too much optimism but remember that there are generations alive who never heard of computers around them When they were born and those who are fully surrounded by them

[river token]

Yeah, that's why I emphasize on having a relevant skillset and to work around and with AI than totally away from it.

You are paranoid, it's fair. But the jobs being replaced atleast for now are very low-stakes entry level jobs. You have to factor in that corporate works on consumers, unemployed people are bad for every economy. They will never incapacitate your ability to have a job fully, the higher ups. Work will evolve, it'll never truly disappear.

[high raven]

They had calculators, those existed long before them. What currently doesn't exist to enable a jump to AGI is solid two visual systems (We just got to the visual part), memory consolidation, active learning and actual agency. The jump to those to enable AGI does not currently exist

You're currently more intelligent than AI on the day you feel the dumbest. The smartest AI just guesses what's right unless you sandbox it with data

[still perch]

AGI isnt needed to replace human at one task .

[verbal drift]

I see.

Each attribute is divine. (Hand, shin, knowledge, power etc)

Each attribute really exists.

If things really exist and not identical to each other, then counting by identity there are multiples of distinct realities.

The Attributes of Allah are not identical to eachother.

Therefore, there are multiple distinct divine realities.

[verbal drift]

Why would I lol

[high raven]

It does if that task is chained to others, the current LLM's aren't able to do that, it's why AI-agents are constrained to the most simple of tasks, like updating your calendar based on a message on Telegram

[verbal drift]

@shell hemlock here for you as well.

By the way, multiple of distinct realities just means many ontological divine beings.

[high raven]

If you mean the most basic tasks then yes that's already happening

[crimson sapphire]

Allah is one, and His attributes don’t mean multiple beings

[verbal drift]

@crimson sapphire

[strong elk]

They’re not separate essences

[verbal drift]

What premise do you disagree with?

[verbal drift]

I didn't say that.
If A ≠ B and they are real, then A and B are counted as two distinct things.

[fervent oxide]

Communism

[crimson sapphire]

I respect ur view but I prefer to keep my beliefs simple

ann imma i have exams that more imp😭

[strong elk]

Yea two attributes not two beings

It doesn’t follow

[verbal drift]

Example, Super man and Batman.
Let's denote Superman as S, and Batman as B.

~ (S = B) which means super man is not identical to batman.
Therefore, you would count as two Superheroes with super powers.
@strong elk @crimson sapphire

[verbal drift]

Attributes are real, they really exist, not just conceptually?

[verbal drift]

Good luck

[strong elk]

Counting beings not attributes

[strong elk]

Real doesn’t mean they exist independently

[manic juniper]

Does this mean Batman and Superman aren't two superheroes because they have attributes and they are actually more

they are four because Batman is a bat man and Superman is a super man
Bat≠man
Super≠man
?

[verbal drift]

I never say they exist Independently.
Although is it true they do exist distinctly?
Identity of indiscernibles doesn't care whether they are separate or not.

[strong elk]

Attributes are from the same essence Brodie

The Attributes themselves are not separate from the One being described, so this can not necessitate affirming multiple deities. They are just Attributes of the One described with them.
They are not separate from Him. It is inevitable that everything in existence must have multiple attributes. It has the attribute of existence, and it can be described by being either something that must exist or something that may or may not exist. Furthermore, each thing that exists can either be something independent or something reliant on something else.

[verbal drift]

Not 4. Two beings tho.
The super man is identical to himself, so does the batman. So you have two things.
S and B, they are real , they exist. Yet they distinct. Even if we predicate the same thing for both of them but only differ at one predicate..
Let's say the Superman can be killed by the Krypton. But the Batman can't be killed by the Krypton.
That even one slight different predicate shows non identity between them.

If Batman is the same thing as superman, then super man getting killed by Krypton also implies Batman getting killed from Krypton.

[verbal drift]

I never said they are not from the essence

[strong elk]

How can u get to the conclusion that there are multiple beings then

[fervent oxide]

It is basically that superhero is an attributive object then batman and superman is extended and affiliated from that object

[verbal drift]

Identity of indiscernibles doesn't care whether they are separable or non-separable.
Maybe you can count by division, but counting by identity does leads multiple of divine beings. so Tawhid just scrumbles by counting by identity

[fervent oxide]

Idk why you need such complicated language to explain it

[verbal drift]

Superhero is one predicate for each of the persons, sure.

[verbal drift]

i thought it's simple

[strong elk]

Ur argument doesn’t follow if you admit they’re not different in essence

[verbal drift]

According to Sunni sect. Attributes are not the same as the essence

So there is a non identity relations between them.
Attributes ≠ essence

[nova apex]

11,000 litres of milk were poured into the Narmada River in India as a Hindu religious practice, while so many people cannot afford to drink it

[verbal drift]

Actually, in India, there are millions of kids and poor people. They could have better helped those people instead of wasting milk in a river.

Total waste.

[fresh flower]

So autistic that he's back to using leibniz’s law with superman and thought no one would notice

[nova apex]

True, but because they are blind, they wouldn't

[verbal drift]

people could notice it

[verbal drift]

💯

Is that your pfp

[verbal drift]

Well, I did bring it because a lot of Salafis force exactly that argument on Christians.

This time I reversed it

Actually the guy is right. It's not an appropriate method to count things especially if they are minor real distinct.

[urban swift]

His preference donkey > ayatollah khomaini

What a downfall

[nova apex]

And you know why in India such things are happening? Because our government is one of them—a blind-folded believer

[high raven]

Why though? I'm assuming that it's to bless the river?

[nova apex]

Bless the river, curse yourself

[frozen cape]

so if they can't afford to drink it, it doesn't matter if the milk ends up in a supermarket or in a river

[still perch]

Ohh I hate it

[nova apex]

They could have given away the milk to those who can't afford it. That way, your Lord would be more pleased

[frozen cape]

how do you know that what he did is more pleasing to their Lord

[wispy sky]

🤦

[river token]

@fresh flower

[nova apex]

Where does it say that wasting food pleases God? Nowhere. However, helping the helpless is considered a good deed. Feed someone who cannot afford food.

I don’t think this needs any justification. Why are you asking such a question? The only thing you could have done is condemn it

[urban swift]

Lol I thought you had any word to spare, seems not

[frozen cape]

So you speak for their god too?

Also I'm an atheist, as far as I'm concerned it's all bs 😉

[nova apex]

Wow at least you accept it's a BS

[urban swift]

Yep, religions hold back human instinct

[wispy sky]

Every religion has flaws

And reetarded people

[uncut tiger]

What about the millions of animals that are killed by Muslims on Eid

[river token]

Now, why would you assume that?

[frozen cape]

Look some rich fck with a lot of money decided to buy that much milk to pour into a river for whatever reason, could they have done better things with their money? Yes.
Now list everyone with generational wealth that could do better things with their money but willingly choose not to do so

[nova apex]

At least we eat it and share it with those who can't afford

[river token]

It's a stupid practice, but let's not culture shame.

[uncut tiger]

Vegetarian community would disagree

[shell hemlock]

why does hinduism have some strange practices i always hear something new and strange

i doubt the actual hinduism want them to do that

[still perch]

Hello guys I am so smart

[urban swift]

Because you tagged

[still perch]

I am capable of sleeping the whole day

[verbal drift]

Because it's man made. Also in Islam too. Imma Tell ye if you hear me

[shell hemlock]

no one is going to suckle you

[verbal drift]

Wha 🤔🤨

[shell hemlock]

you know how there are closeted homosexuals? you’re like that but a closeted muslim

[verbal drift]

🐈 what 🤔? Are you talking about the story of Al Zutt

[river token]

Yeah. That was to tag the guy you were talking about.

[shell hemlock]

why don’t you apply for that security job and get a life

[verbal drift]

Who? Lol

I'm an accountant

[urban swift]

Oh so you're that kind

[nova apex]

Indeed, I don’t believe any hindu scripture or religious text suggests pleasing God in this manner

[river token]

No idea what you're talking about.

[verbal drift]

Actually there is the same practice in Islam called Hajj, it costs thousands of bucks

Only diff is one throws the money and one throws the milk

[nova apex]

Check this out @shell hemlock how dumb he's. Comparing hajj to wasting food

[river token]

It has less to do with wasting food and more to do with contamination.

Milk has a lot of bacteria and it messes with the aquatic life in those rivers.

[nova apex]

Exactly. It's not only a waste of food but a disaster for nature. And our government ain't gonna do a shit about it

[river token]

Using milk in religious practices is not wrong, but chucking it in large amounts in the river can lead to problems for the fishes and aquatic life.

It's very fatty and oxygen demanding.

[pseudo flume]

You could have used Eid ul adha argument, i don't think hajj makes sense

Hajj is only necessary if you could afford it

[verbal drift]

Come up room 2.9

[verbal drift]

Come up room 2.9

If you wanna debate me

[verbal drift]

Yo wanna talk?

[shell hemlock]

@plain ruin ew

[verbal drift]

What's ew?

[turbid dome]

https://preview.redd.it/qurans-mathematical-errors-in-inheritance-v0-0f7gtpkff7h11.png?auto=webp&s=b06c0548bcf8e69216b34558b12fb7189f8b0a06

afford it according to what math

[fervent oxide]

nobody cares what happened in the 3rd world

[verbal drift]

That's the obvious mathematical error in the Qur'an.

[fervent oxide]

without this piece of shit we could also hold back some activity that is highly disruptive and bad behavior by using the law to establish a sense of intimidation

religion is nothing but a backward ideology that is outdated and not in use as the ruling besides some terrorist organization

religion is people's opium

[pseudo flume]

Yes it's a problem if you died leaving 2 daughters 2 parents and a wife lol, maths doesn't add up

In 7th century they introduced a way to fix it, they treated it as ratios. If the total shares exceed the whole, the denominator is increased to match the sum of the numerators

Al Awl i think

[turbid dome]

Yeah, except there’s apparently a Sunni and Shia way to do it and it doesn’t fix the math, it just solves the inheritance issue in a way contradictory to the Quran 😭

[fervent oxide]

first off it is people's right especially for who holds the wealth to do with anything they want with their wealth under the law

[pseudo flume]

There's a reason why Shia don't use Al Awl method
Guess who introduced it?

[fervent oxide]

and secondly, the property of the milk should not be accessible for the poors because if they drink this milk from the rich without permission or payment that's the act of stealing

and if they are allowed to drink it with payment they should pay consumption taxes to the government

[verbal drift]

@shell hemlock

[turbid dome]

One of the caliphs they don’t recognize?

[pseudo flume]

Top 3 most hated guy
Umar

[fervent oxide]

whether it is contradictory or not, it doesn't matter

[turbid dome]

Makes sense

[fervent oxide]

but the gun is matter, and who believes it doesn't control the gun

the gun is either controlled by Christians, or atheists

LRWEITP

if they can't even enforce their piece of crap, why does that matter

and if they enforce these piece of crap upon the people, we will liberate them 🇺🇸 🇮🇱

[pseudo flume]

Some say if Qur'an says 112.5% just divide the property into 112.5 parts and distribute it

[turbid dome]

That's not how % works 😭

[fervent oxide]

that's fucking communism

[turbid dome]

Anything but admitting it's a math error

[fervent oxide]

fuck

🇺🇸 🦅 THEY NEED FREEDOm

[pseudo flume]

I don't think percentage was used in Qur'an

[turbid dome]

fractions still 😭

doesn't matter, ratios don't work that way 😭

[fervent oxide]

you might misunderstood the meaning of the 'property' in that because at that time we are having a slavery society

[pseudo flume]

Yeah, it's definitely a mathematical error

[pseudo flume]

It's about inheritance

[turbid dome]

No still, you can't divide 112% of owned slaves

[verbal drift]

Where did she go

[fervent oxide]

so that's the point here, if you can't have more than 100% of what you have, what will be filled in this vacancy of 12% ?

[turbid dome]

Nothing, it's a math error in the quran but somehow people think it's divine 😭

[fervent oxide]

it is indeed divine if the same verse that existed in the Bible I would believe Republicans would love it

[verbal drift]

@shell hemlock why

[turbid dome]

You don't have to spam ping her 😭

[verbal drift]

https://tenor.com/view/saturday-baby-laugh-giggle-gif-12859194

[turbid dome]

once is fine

[pseudo flume]

Math is human invention, just divide the property into 112.5 parts

https://tenor.com/view/zakir-naik-muslim-candles-fierce-point-gif-17453203

[fervent oxide]

the property

[turbid dome]

Allah math 🔥

[verbal drift]

Math is an objective truth.

[fervent oxide]

the 'property'

what could be the property at that time

we are gonna pray so hard that Christians really won the war against them

otherwise it is something really serious

[pseudo flume]

It might be but all mathematical formulas aren't objectively true everywhere on this universe

[verbal drift]

Where

[fervent oxide]

that is absolutely something I would invent if I lived in 1700s as a landowner in North America

[pseudo flume]

Tangent in urdu is Khat-e-Mamas

That's lit

[fervent oxide]

probably I will move to the South later like in 1861

[narrow spindle]

Hey guys

What are some good high demanding skills to learn?

Courses I shortlisted are
Cybersecurity
Data analytics
Digital marketing

[shell hemlock]

why you so obsessed with me oh oh oh

[verbal drift]

I was telling ya

[plain ruin]

😭

[fathom badge]

hello sir how are you

[fervent oxide]

pretty nice dude sup

[fathom badge]

not much waiting for ur Trump posts

[fervent oxide]

let me see what I got today

[crisp zephyr]

If you went to America in 1861, you would only be caught to build railroads

[dire cove]

Hello

What's going on here

[fervent oxide]

https://x.com/america/status/2042694636368494733?s=20

America (@america)

Migrants released at the U.S. border:

March 2024: 78,496
March 2026: 0

It’s incredible what actually enforcing laws at the border can do…

▶ Play video

X · Apr 10, 2026, 8:02 PM

not a bad one

[thorny steeple]

Here is the medical justification it is not considered a “disease” anymore
https://web.archive.org/web/20100615045832/http://apa.org/topics/sexuality/transgender.aspx#

Is being transgender a mental disorder?

A psychological condition is considered a mental disorder only if it causes distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their transgender feelings and traits to be distressing or disabling, which implies that being transgender does not constitute a mental disorder per se. For these people, the significant problem is finding the resources, such as hormone treatment, surgery, and the social support they need, in order to express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. However, some transgender people do find their transgender feelings to be distressing or disabling. This is particularly true of transsexuals, who experience their gender identity as incongruent with their birth sex or with the gender role associated with that sex. This distressi

Argue now

[fervent oxide]

unable to participate in sexual interaction is considered disability

if your mind of subjectivity that drives you into suicide, you are absolutely having some serious mental issue

here's a perfect analogy for that, it's like you are cutting off your arms while try to prove how is this justified to do just because it somehow triggers your brain that generates dopamine so you will feel happier with your status

and even by that, we do recognize there are a lot of people who would like to be in that way therefore they deserve recognition of their status, and should be respected

but it is absolutely NOT something should be promoted to do, because to complete this transition progress is actually self-hurt

🇺🇸 🏳️‍🌈

[shy wagon]

Weird analogy

[shy wagon]

English language

[verbal cedar]

Who

[verbal cedar]

What you mean by that time?

[shell hemlock]

it’s an illness you have to accept it

[shell lily]

Am I daydreaming?
since when minecraft had common sense

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-blackguys-wtf-what-do-u-mean-what-gif-23060704

[viscid elbow]

Ded chat

[shy wagon]

Trans people can participate in sexual interactions

[shy wagon]

Transition doesn't hurt you

[near blaze]

I think they're talking about the surgical ones

[zinc patio]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-why-so-serious-serious-gif-11972349

[fervent oxide]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4NgCuEDaM-4

this should be implemented in the US right the fucking now

every US citizen should be obligated to request the permission to be legally leave the country

[hidden shore]

Beautiful mountain

[shy wagon]

Why is that?

[shy wagon]

It is literally a preparation for a big war lol

[verbal drift]

Not anymore, what's your religion

[verbal drift]

Is that a mountain?

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-and-love-shirtless-zhao-zhao-mu-mu-speedlove1234-gif-14655541679258220292

[vapid wagon]

Beautiful mountain in south delhi

@hidden shore do you live there?

[shy wagon]

So much trash. Ahhh India

[quasi needle]

Fascist

[opal garnet]

Anybody up for Philosophical debate?

[opal garnet]

This is serious chat.

[vapid wagon]

Sure

[high rapids]

?

[high rapids]

just block him

[opal garnet]

Any INFJ here? Wanna vc?

[high rapids]

INFJ

?

[pseudo solar]

Can somebody tell me a site any video downloader by url link?

[hidden shore]

Yes

[hidden shore]

Yes, most of poor people live here

[hidden shore]

You are Indian too

[shy wagon]

I'm a Marxist and ready to debate. But not in vc

INTJ, BTW

[tight jetty]

Hey

[quasi needle]

It’s a personality identifier

[vital crescent]

hi i am nour

[viscid elbow]

I'm a proud muslim

[viscid elbow]

What's this minecraft shi even abt

[vital crescent]

me too

[viscid elbow]

Noice r u to revert or by birth Muslim

[high rapids]

what do you mean

[vital crescent]

birth muslim

[viscid elbow]

Whys everyone obsessed with minecraft here

[high rapids]

I don´t think anyone here is obsessed with minecraft

[vital crescent]

i am not obsessed with it

[viscid elbow]

ure literally named like him

[high rapids]

Insider joke

[viscid elbow]

[viscid elbow]

What's did he do

[quasi needle]

Why was everyone obsessed with Hitler in 1945?

[viscid elbow]

Isn't he pro Israeli

[quasi needle]

Yes and he’s openly in support of their fascist policies

He doesn’t recognize Palestinians as a people

[viscid elbow]

Whats so good abt it

[quasi needle]

?

Nothing

It’s abhorrent and detestable

He can’t help but display a clear lack of basic empathy

[fervent oxide]

https://x.com/magagrunt1/status/2042601633654177915?s=46

John (@MagaGrunt1)

🇺🇸You can’t make this up.🇺🇸

X · Apr 10, 2026, 1:52 PM

Make America Great Again 🇺🇸

[fervent oxide]

It is the truth there’s no back state of the Palestinian identity which is a fake identity

The only identity they have is Israeli arabs

🇮🇱

[quasi needle]

Countries that recognise Palestine cope

[sharp crater]

Happy nation

[manic juniper]

Bat, super and man are three different things tho, wait does this mean Batman and Superman are three different beings since there is bat, super and man (since man=man)

These three attributes are different

[cerulean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/imman-yeahimman-man-batman-man-batman-gif-16222489708079543262

[manic juniper]

Why are Czechia and Hungary displayed like that

[fervent oxide]

That justifies the Israeli operation against terrorist regime because they are getting support by some foreigners that has intent to damage the national interest of the State of Israel

[manic juniper]

He's man

[fervent oxide]

Also, the right of identification comes down to the people, and it’s the people who would choose to stand with Israel

And they are Israeli arabs

[quasi needle]

Hungary recognized it until Orban and his sausage cancer fingers got his mitts on it

I dunno about Czechia

[quasi needle]

This is gibberish

[manic juniper]

Putin threatened to alt the gas flow to the European countries that are supporting USA's decision to attack

Since the only ones doing this are also the only ones getting Russia's supplies (such as Hungary) what happens now

[verbal drift]

Sunni/Shia?

[quasi needle]

Czechoslovakia recognized Palestine but Czechia claims they never did

Someone sounds insecure

[verbal drift]

Batman is the name of a person. It's not quality.

[viscid elbow]

Idk my parents sunni tho

[verbal drift]

Why Islam

[fervent oxide]

Palestine does not exist, therefore the Palestinian identity does not exist

[manic juniper]

It's a quality, being Batman is part of his story

[quasi needle]

You’re coping

[manic juniper]

He fell in the cave with bats

[fervent oxide]

All what exists in the region is under full control by State of Israel

[quasi needle]

The world except Israel and its puppets agrees Palestine exists

[fervent oxide]

That is the truth and reality

[quasi needle]

Even the dragon emperor xi jinping recognizes it

[fervent oxide]

You keep saying that does not proof they have controlled the place

The place is under Israeli

[viscid elbow]

Honestly I'm still tryna find out

[quasi needle]

Literally not how it works

Do the Kurds control Kurdistan?

[fervent oxide]

LMFAO it is how it works

[quasi needle]

You’re just sperging nonsense

You have zero grasp on how the world works

[fervent oxide]

yes, they have some level of control of their region but they weren't a state yet

your Palestinian has no control over the region

[quasi needle]

They did until a little genocide

[fervent oxide]

all of that region was under State of Israel

your Palestine and Palestinian identity does not fucking exist in reality

[quasi needle]

And again not how it works

[fervent oxide]

it is how it works lmfao

keep saying that's not does not prove you are right

[quasi needle]

Internationally recognized

[viscid elbow]

First time heating smthn like this

[quasi needle]

Go cry to almost every country in the world

[fervent oxide]

you don't have to be internationally recognized to be exist

you can be recognized by international community without existing

[quasi needle]

This literally backs me up further

[quasi needle]

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING 😂😂😂😂

[fervent oxide]

what a fucking easy logic that you failed to recognize that shows your pure inability of having basic knowledge on this

[quasi needle]

This guy

You’re right the entire world is hallucinating the existence of 14 million people

[viscid elbow]

Bruh

[quasi needle]

Your logic is pathetic and your reasoning is non existent

[manic juniper]

He doesn't think they don't exist, he simply thinks they're Israeli Arabs

[quasi needle]

I know

Schizophrenia

[fervent oxide]

not even lying for all the time your shit is contradicting so much, to the reality

[quasi needle]

You just said two directly contradictory statements. One of which backs me up further

Do you even know what you’re saying

[fervent oxide]

the reality is, they don't have control over the region they claimed, they don't have a sovereign state, they don't have a government they have nothing but a terrorist organization keeps claim they represent these people

[quasi needle]

Not how ethnicity works

[fervent oxide]

if they would admit that terrorist organization is their government, they were terrorists

if not, they don't have a state, their identity does not exist

[fervent oxide]

Palestinian is not an ethnicity

[quasi needle]

Are you claiming ethnicity requires a state

[fervent oxide]

their ethnicity is ARAB

[quasi needle]

It literally is

[fervent oxide]

say that again

[quasi needle]

Palestinians are an Arab ethnonational group native to the Levantine region of Palestine.

[fervent oxide]

an arab really exposed how fucked you are on this logic

read your own sentence

[quasi needle]

You’re truly illiterate

Please take some more English classes

[viscid elbow]

By ur logic Egyptians r Arabs as well then

[quasi needle]

Some are. But they’re also still Egyptians

[fervent oxide]

ofc they were arabs

[quasi needle]

Minecraft has zero grasp on how ethnicities works

[viscid elbow]

Exactly the case with palestinians

[quasi needle]

It’s probably why he refuses to denounce the Nazi flag (he’s a Nazi)

[fervent oxide]

Egyptian is a nationality, not an ethnicity

Palestinian is a nationality, not an ethnicity, but Palestine does not exist

therefore Palestinian identity does not exist

[quasi needle]

He prefers shoving blanket terms onto people because Nazi does what Nazi sees

[fervent oxide]

stop confuse those shit

[viscid elbow]

How do both of these statements relate

[fervent oxide]

it's you keep defending a fake group or the terrorist organization itself

[quasi needle]

All I’m hearing is I’m a racist Nazi who obfuscates nuanced Arabian ethnicities because it supports my fascist beliefs

Yap yap

[viscid elbow]

Israelis fit the definition of terrorists way more perfectly

[manic juniper]

It's in their country name

[fervent oxide]

all I'm hearing is a braind*ad assh try to use everything he knew, actually he knew nothing about it and defend a terrorist organization

womp to the fucking womp and shame on you

[quasi needle]

Why are you obfuscating ethnicities

[fervent oxide]

you are the one who is supporting Nazism

[quasi needle]

Answer me

Why else would you? You can’t refute it? Oh dear

[fervent oxide]

that's antisemitic and a huge accusation to jewish people

Israel is actually the state of peace, justice, and they are also one of the most prosperous state

[quasi needle]

Said, a Nazi who thinks all Jews are zionists

[viscid elbow]

What u did was to huge accusation as well mate

[fervent oxide]

they contribute more than everybody in anti-terrorism effort

[viscid elbow]

Say wallahi bro

[quasi needle]

You really need to go to school

Two states ≠ hamas support

Your overusage of blanket statements is shocking

Almost sounds like something a fascist would do

[fervent oxide]

there is only one state, that is State of Israel

[quasi needle]

See he can’t even deny it

It’s unbelievable

[fervent oxide]

and this is the current state, which will be in this way, forever

if you don't like it, cry

[quasi needle]

It’s shocking how this server keeps harboring a Nazi in the pursuit of activity

[quasi needle]

Are you going to try deny it

You’re incapable of debate

You just did the thing Olivander said

Resort to hailing Israel when you can’t defend your fascist beliefs anymore

It’s pathetic

It’s actually mind blowing how you’re 24 and have the debating decorum of a 9 year old boy

[cerulean pivot]

He's a fascinating phenomenon to study

[quasi needle]

He’s actually not real

He’s genuinely incapable of defending himself so he starts hailing Israel

[verbal cedar]

Ni||giri||a

[quasi needle]

Egyptians are an ethnic group native to the Nile Valley in Egypt

[fervent oxide]

every of your argument is either false or extremely out of reality

[quasi needle]

You’re arguing with the world on this

Prove it wrong

Where’s your sources

[fervent oxide]

I'm not a fascist I never endorse fascist policy, but for recognizing the basic truth of the State of Israel is the only state around the region, without a doubt, is the current situation of the world

[quasi needle]

I’m not a fascist… buuuuttttt…

[fervent oxide]

and all my stances around that, was recognize the fact

[quasi needle]

I’m waiting for you to tell me how the list of Israeli policies I sent yesterday aren’t fascist

[fervent oxide]

the fact that Palestinian identity is fake, Palestine does not exist

[quasi needle]

You haven’t done it yet

[fervent oxide]

and Israel is the only country which rules the entire place

[quasi needle]

We’re all fucking aware of your opinion now are you going to deny my claims or keep sperging out the same shit like a broken AI

[reef hamlet]

hello

[quasi needle]

You say the same shit day in day out without sources or backup or reasoning so try defend it for once

[reef hamlet]

I'm new here ☺️☺️ my name is liana , nice to see you all

[quasi needle]

Settlement expansion in occupied territories, military occupation of West Bank, Gaza blockade, disproportionate use of force, administrative detention without trial, home demolitions as punishment, movement restrictions, dual legal systems, restrictions on Palestinian Israeli Arab building permits, collective punishments, press access restriction, suppression of protests, family reunification limits, targeted killings without trials

Tell me how these aren’t fascist

https://tenor.com/view/mrben-gif-8446759338427010347

[fervent oxide]

1. false, it was totally legal to expand their communities in their territory under the law of the State of Israel
2. false, they hold the full right to deploy their troops to protect local civilians in their territory
3. false, they did let humanitarian aid into Gaza
4. bullshit
5. false, it is written in the law that is totally legal
6. does not exist
7. false
8. does not exist
9. exists, but used in good faith and it was very limited which only aim to maintain the social order
10. should happen and not fascist
11. does not exist
12. they don't need a trail to neutralize a target

I am not a fascist, I never support fascist policy, I am a national socialist (not a nazi)

Also I would like to question one important thing: what is your race ?

[quasi needle]

1. Israeli law doesn’t apply to foreign land. Non-argument.
2. Not local land, it’s foreign. Non-argument.
3. Tell that to the nearly 100% of Palestinians facing food insecurity and the 30% under catastrophic famine.
4. Didn’t refute it. Non-argument.
5. “It’s not fascist if it’s in the law”. Non-argument.
6. NON ARGUMENT. https://www.btselem.org/topic/punitive_demolitions https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/08/israel-opt-supreme-court-approves-punitive-demolition-of-child-detainees-home/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_demolition_of_Palestinian_property
7. NON ARGUMENT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_freedom_of_movement https://imeu.org/resources/key-issues/fact-sheet-israeli-surveillance-restrictions-on-palestinian-movement/128
8. https://www.english.acri.org.il/post/__401
9. Finally an argument! It is not limited, 99% of Palestinian Israeli Arab permits are rejected. Not in good faith. https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-gave-only-66-building-permits-palestinians-11-years?amp
10. NON-ARGUMENT. It’s a war crime. You didn’t even say how it’s not fascist. I literally asked you to prove why it’s not and you CAN’T EVEN DO THAT!
11. Non-argument. https://www.972mag.com/idf-censor-israeli-media-2019/
12. Didn’t refute it, literally doubled down. Non-argument.

You didn’t say why any of these aren’t fascist. Like seriously, are you capable of saying why? Are you genuinely incapable of saying why these policies aren’t fascist? This is next level jumping around the bush. You’d get a more direct answer from a politician.

Are we going to actually try or nah

[fervent oxide]

1. it is Israeli land, not foreign land by reality
2. it is local Israeli land, by reality
3. the famine is effectively being caused by Hamas, which would drag Israel into this great war
4. did refute it well
5. it is not fascist even it was in the law
6. invalid counter argument from the news report that is generally pro-Hamas
7. I reinstate my claim and the fact
8. invalid article with false reality
9. the only reason they were rejected is because they refuse or unable to pay the bill of leaving
10. it is not a war crime, neither it was fascist, LRWEITP
11. invaild media source
12. did refute well and I reinstate it

[quasi needle]

“Not a war crime because I said so”

Not black

[fervent oxide]

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[quasi needle]

“It’s not a war crime because I said so”

[broken lark]

Simply calling something false doesn't count as a refutation

[quasi needle]

Thank you for your genius expert analysis, genius

It’s not too late to get a degree Minecraft

[quasi needle]

He’s LITERALLY UNABLE to refute points with sources and reason

I’ve NEVER met someone like that

He just can’t debate

“My opinion is right but I won’t give you any sources or backup”

Lowkey

[fervent oxide]

I did demonstrate my point very well on especially why it is false and what is the reality

[quasi needle]

“It’s false doesn’t exist”
6 trillion sources later
“They’re all biased and they’re completely fabricating everything!” Despite the Supreme Court of Israel openly permitting such acts

[broken lark]

Is he being sarcastic or is he actually a professional ragebaiter

[quasi needle]

He’s just an idiot bro

Dude called me a dumbass for asking him to give sources

They literally recognize Palestine as a state

[fervent oxide]

keep saying that shit doesn't make you right

[quasi needle]

Can you prove why?

[fervent oxide]

what happened right now is they live under State of Israel

[quasi needle]

No? No sources? Okay. Thanks I guess

[fervent oxide]

and they have to follow the law of the State of Israel

[quasi needle]

Statehood, a nation state

[quasi needle]

he’s back to hailing israel like a robot

He does this without fail

He genuinely can’t argue anything

[fervent oxide]

only one is enough, they were under effective control by State of Israel by the IDF

[quasi needle]

It’s because he doesn’t know

He doesn’t fucking know

He makes literally everything up

[fervent oxide]

only one is enough and I did provide that

[quasi needle]

Does the Chinese firewall block literally everything or are you just dense

Are you truly this dense

[fervent oxide]

making accusation around me does not make you right

[quasi needle]

You’re still yet to say why anything isn’t fascist

You haven’t answered anything

[fervent oxide]

if you truly hate to live in a world that has no Palestine, you might start to cry right now

🤣

[quasi needle]

You’re a toddler

[wispy sky]

He gives bj to trump and bibi

[quasi needle]

Still waiting for you to deny anything lad

[mystic bay]

I don't get why people are so obsessed with the middle east

[wispy sky]

Cant go against his masters

[quasi needle]

My fuel went up 30p because of Israel

Don’t try me

[fervent oxide]

surrender LMFAO who surrendered ?

[mystic bay]

Good

[fervent oxide]

who is the side that surrendered ?

can't believe somebody could be down to this level of stupidness

[quasi needle]

£57 per refill to £70

[mystic bay]

Catch a bus

[quasi needle]

He’s been saying Israel already won for ages

[quasi needle]

Lame

[fervent oxide]

no probably it blocked your ass so you can't even know what shit is happening on you

[quasi needle]

Driving is infinitely more fun

[fervent oxide]

🤣

what a fucking crap

[cerulean pivot]

If the win is by tricking the US to lose this war with them then yeah

[quasi needle]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-laughs-with-him-squid-game-frontman-squid-games-gif-12706163951404966053

[fervent oxide]

your argument is just lame as always

and truth stands there

[quasi needle]

ZERO SOURCES 😂😂😂 BAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

this guy CANNOT argue

[wispy sky]

I never seen a guy who is trying defend israel and America like this lol even Americans and some jews hate bibi and trump for what they are doing rn

Meanwhile a Chinese guy

[quasi needle]

dude has the argument of a 9 year old who saw a hitler edit on youtube

[fervent oxide]

you can be a Zionist without being a Jew

[cerulean pivot]

Benjamin netenyahu

[quasi needle]

What’s your currency

[fervent oxide]

🇺🇸 🇮🇱

[wispy sky]

Shot form of Benjamin Netanyahu

[cerulean pivot]

Me 😭? What did I do

[quasi needle]

846 per tank to 1053 per tank

[cerulean pivot]

Shot what

[quasi needle]

Resorts to hailing Israel after being utterly demolished and embarrassed in front of everyone in the server

[cerulean pivot]

I don't even have a gun

[quasi needle]

We are

He’s on that Mossad payroll

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187417264497098884/1299021856589746218/attachment.gif

[wispy sky]

I don't think he is from china ... prolly a jew in disguise

[quasi needle]

He might be the big man himself

[cerulean pivot]

Nuh he is

[fervent oxide]

not really, I invested a lot on both American and Israeli military industry

[wispy sky]

Really i never seen a Chinese person defending america and Israel 😭

[fervent oxide]

they generate very significant profit to me

[quasi needle]

“Not really”

[cerulean pivot]

Guys his political beliefs is all that matters here
Don't turn into his personal stuff

[wispy sky]

If he was from my country i would say ok this guy would be legit because we got ton of blind supporters of Israel

Lmao

[fervent oxide]

it is 100% justified to support Israel without a doubt

[cerulean pivot]

A what

[quasi needle]

And as always you can’t say why

[wispy sky]

Innocent people are dying...for me this is not polltics

[wispy sky]

Yes

[wispy sky]

How

[cerulean pivot]

Fuck u mine can't u just be a normal Chinese Femboy for a day

[fervent oxide]

Israel is the only prosperous country around the region that could provide their citizen a nice life with a stable society, and they stand firm and contribute enormously against terrorists in this world

[river token]

Engineering is hard.

[quasi needle]

He’s required to be dense it’s part of the job description

[wispy sky]

Innocent people are dying because of bs pollitics that's the issue

[fervent oxide]

there's absolutely no problem to support Israel regardless of your status

[cerulean pivot]

I'm harder

[fervent oxide]

and Hail State of Israel 🇮🇱

[quasi needle]

Israel rich therefore genocide good

[crisp zephyr]

[fervent oxide]

there is a reason why they were rich

[quasi needle]

It’s not Nazi behavior he is a Nazi

He refused to denounce the Nazi flag yesterday

[fervent oxide]

God Bless the United States of America 🇺🇸

[wispy sky]

Should we boycott nature

[fervent oxide]

Hail Republican Administration

[quasi needle]

“No comment” we know you want to kiss it

[river token]

Someone killing an innocent person and an innocent person getting a heart attack are two different things.

One is voluntary, the other is not.

[fervent oxide]

I never refuse to do something anti-nazi

[quasi needle]

Okay and? Israel rich therefore genocide good

[fervent oxide]

I just refuse to recognize that is not a well-looking symbol

[wispy sky]

I blame social media for that because...apps like instgram and youtube really glorified hitler so

[quasi needle]

Oh okay

[river token]

He is ethnonational, that is basically a nazi.

[quasi needle]

I saw a photo of him on instagram yesterday. The comments all said “Goat” “Come back” fucking dorks

[wispy sky]

Exactly

[quasi needle]

Chances are all the comments are Argentinian

[cerulean pivot]

Most of his fanbase will get slimed by him btw

[quasi needle]

https://tenor.com/view/100percent-gif-18817389

Argentina is the Israel of South America

[river token]

Envisioning of a society based on ethnicity.

[sweet wolf]

what are you studying

[cerulean pivot]

Where are you from

Depends on what

[wispy sky]

Yeah glorifying a person who killed 20 million people because of superiority complex

[cerulean pivot]

Did u learn the word lowkey yesterday

[river token]

Sarcasm?

[wispy sky]

Ok nvm

[wispy sky]

12.3k likes is concerning

[river token]

Mech E.

[quasi needle]

Add me

[river token]

I find this absolutely deplorable, honestly.

[quasi needle]

Just scrolled further

[wispy sky]

Deplorable is a new word for me

[quasi needle]

“Hermann” stating the Soviets built the gas chambers after the war and that people died due to the fever because of the allies rather than starving to death. Actual moron

It’s not

[river token]

Disgusting.

[quasi needle]

Stop thinking all these comments are a joke they’re dead serious

[river token]

People are hypocrites, they only care about human life when it's affiliated with a certain religious or ethnic identity.

[quasi needle]

Went on the third guys profile and he has a soldier pfp with the SS in his bio

[uncut tiger]

AAAAAAAAAA HE'S HERE

[fervent oxide]

🇮🇱

[quasi needle]

They all are stop defending them

???? And

[fervent oxide]

we all defend State of Israel

[quasi needle]

This guys human and he’s a fucking disgusting piece of trash

[wispy sky]

You can't defend a single leader in ww2 even ur churchill or stalin they all done inhuman things

[fervent oxide]

and everybody that even has a little bit common sense would defend State of Israel and the Republican Administration of the US

[quasi needle]

Good thing I don’t

[fervent oxide]

Stalin is really a legendary leader

[wispy sky]

Stalin

[wispy sky]

No shi

[fervent oxide]

he really makes the Soviet Union from a poor agrarian state that just lose a war, to a world superpower

[quasi needle]

Churchill was even a dogshit leader after the war ended. He lost reelection because he was that bad. Although he did come back a few years after

[fervent oxide]

I'm a Stalinist I must say

Churchill is also a legendary leader

[wispy sky]

Search holodomor

[verbal drift]

Good. Do you believe the beneath of the earth is a whale?

🌎
🐋

Like this?

[river token]

I wonder if they think the ottomans deserved it too, since the ottoman empire also genocided a bunch of people.

They don't care about human life because they're good people, instead it's because the victims are subscribed to the same religious faith. It's not because they care about life, they just care about their entry into heaven.

[wispy sky]

Ok this guy is literally supporting every worst leader possible

You ain't any different

[quasi needle]

I can safely disregard this kind of person as a subspecies level of intelligence

They sign away a general populous that has done nothing as subhuman because they want to feel superior when in reality they’re the bottom of the barrel

[wispy sky]

What about other so called great leader for you like hitler or stalin

[quasi needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/865329221508923405/1492263811426811974/attachment.gif

Yes

[wispy sky]

Very much

[wispy sky]

Does minecraft supports hitler?

[quasi needle]

He’ll say he’s a great leader and did great things then he’ll say he doesn’t support him when we all know he does

[quasi needle]

Hitler was a terrible leader by the way

The moron ignored his generals all the time

What’s your advice? It doesn’t matter I’m gonna do some bullshit decision that’ll make us lose the war

Good thing for the British that Hitler was an idiot

[wispy sky]

Israel and reich are pretty much similar they have a superiority complex and think everyone as subhumans

[quasi needle]

Their tactics were terrible in WW2

[fervent oxide]

I do not support Hitler

[quasi needle]

Hitler refused to retreat in the Battle of Stalingrad for example

[fervent oxide]

ew

[wispy sky]

@quasi needle

[quasi needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/865329221508923405/1492513256093515776/attachment.gif

[viscid elbow]

Where did this come from mate I'm not a hindu

[quasi needle]

Well yeah nobody says they support Hitler

Dude probably respects Hitler though

[verbal drift]

You are not a Muslim?

From islam. Actually that's what early Muslims believed and taught this idea including Muhammad

[viscid elbow]

I've never read such a thing

Where did u find it

[wispy sky]

https://tenor.com/view/cuz-its-not-round-itsrucka-flat-earth-song-the-world-is-flat-the-world-is-a-plate-gif-20669093

[verbal drift]

Well, these things are hidden. You have to find it

[viscid elbow]

He's literally him

[verbal drift]

From an ex Muslim. He did discovered it in some tafsirs and hadiths

[viscid elbow]

I speak like a normal human bud

[viscid elbow]

There's nothing like that in Islam idk what kinda Islam u talking abt

It's a trol username

[verbal drift]

Alright lemme show you. You don't believe in a kind of Islam that Muhammad taught

[viscid elbow]

It's a part of my dc profile I don't normally speak like that if u had met me before I don't speak islam at all

[quasi needle]

Islam is my kyryptonite

[river token]

They were about to win over moscow, Hitler split forces between Ukraine and Leningrad. They were about to win against UK, he decides to shift from RAF to city bombing which gave the UK time to repair their air force.

He declared war against the US after pearl harbor and gave the allies an ally that had massive production ability and world's largest industrial power.

[viscid elbow]

The one speaking like that here r mostly salafis

Kick u

[verbal drift]

Mujam Al-Kabir of Al-Tabarani (260-360):

.

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو حَبِيبٍ زَيْدُ بْنُ الْمُهْتَدِي الْمَرُّوذِيُّ، ثنا سَعِيدُ بْنُ يَعْقُوبَ الطَّالْقَانِيُّ، ثنا مُؤَمَّلُ بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، ثنا حَمَّادُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ عَطَاءِ بْنِ السَّائِبِ، عَنْ أَبِي الضُّحَى مُسْلِمِ بْنِ صُبَيْحٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ رَضِي اللهُ عَنْهُمَا، قَالَ: قَالَ رَسُولُ اللهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ: ” إِنَّ أَوَّلَ مَا خَلَقَ اللهُ تَعَالَى الْقَلَمُ وَالْحُوتُ قَالَ: مَا أَكْتُبُ؟ قَالَ: كُلَّ شَيْءٍ كَانَ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ” ثُمَّ قَرَأَ ن وَالْقَلَمِ. فَالنُّونُ: الْحُوتُ، وَالْقَلَمُ: الْقَلَمُ.

Abu Habib Zayd b. al-Muhtadi al-Marwazi <– Sayd b. Yaqub Al-Baghdadi (d.244) <– Mamal b. Ishmael Al-Basri (d.206) <– Hammad b. Zayd Al-Basri (98-179) <– Atta b. Al-Saib Al-Kufi (d.136) <– Muslim b. Subaih Al-Kufi (d.100) <– Abdullah b. Abbas Al-Qurayshi (-3ah-68) <– the prophet: “The first things Allah created were the pen and the whale and He said to the pen ‘Write.’ The pen asked, ‘What shall I write?’ Allah replied, ‘Everything that shall be until judgment day.’ Then He said {Nun and the Pen and what they write}. So Nun is the whale and al-Qalam is the pen”.

Al-Tabarani, Mujam Al-Kabir 11/433: No 12227
https://shamela.ws/book/1733/14298

[viscid elbow]

Doesn't say that there's whale beneath earth and also its not a sahih hadith

[verbal drift]

Cool, there is another Hadith says that.

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْعَبَّاسِ، حَدَّثَنَا سَلَمَةُ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الْمُغِيرَةِ، حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدُ بْنُ سِنَانٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو الزَّاهِرِيَّةِ، عَنْ كَثِيرِ بْنِ مُرَّةَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ، رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمَا، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ سُئِلَ عَنِ الْأَرْضِ: عَلَامَ هِيَ؟ قَالَ: «عَلَى الْمَاءِ» . قِيلَ: أَرَأَيْتَ الْمَاءَ، عَلَامَ هُوَ؟ قَالَ: «عَلَى صَخْرَةٍ خَضْرَاءَ» . قِيلَ: أَرَأَيْتَ الصَّخْرَةَ، عَلَامَ هِيَ؟ قَالَ: «عَلَى ظَهْرِ حُوتٍ يَلْتَقِي طَرَفَاهُ بِالْعَرْشِ» . قِيلَ: أَرَأَيْتَ الْحُوتَ، عَلَامَ هُوَ؟ قَالَ: «عَلَى كَاهِلِ الْمَلَكِ، قَدَمَاهُ فِي الْهَوَاءِ»

Abdullah b. Muhammad b. Al-Abbas Al-Ishabani (d.296) <– Salamah b. Shabib Al-Nisaburi (d.247) <– Abd al-Qudous b. al-Hajjaj “Abu al-Mughirah” Al-Homsi (d.212) <– Sayd b. Sinan Al-Homsi <– Hudayr b. Qurayb “Abu Az-Zahriya” Al-Hamdani Al-Homsi (d.117) <– Kathir b. Murra al-Hadrami <– Abdullah b. Umar (10bh-73): The Prophet was asked about the earth: Where is it? He said: On the water. It was said: Have you seen water? where is it? He said: “On a green rock.” It was said: Have you seen the rock? Where is it? He said: “On the back of a whale, the two ends of which meet the throne.” It was said: have you seen the whale? Where is it? He said: “On the shoulders of an angel, his feet in the wind”

https://shamela.ws/book/13043/952#p1

Not so fast

[viscid elbow]

No reference

[verbal drift]

https://shamela.ws/book/13043/952#p1

[verbal drift]

Do you know Abdullah Ibn Masood?

[viscid elbow]

I do

[verbal drift]

He taught the same thing in his tafsir. Btw, you as a Muslim should learn the Qur'an from him since Muhammad said you gotta learn from Ibn Masood. Do you agree?

[viscid elbow]

Ppl be interpreting ahadiths however they like

[verbal drift]

He created the earth upon Nun, that being the whale mentioned by God in the Qur’an {Nun and the Pen}.

That's said by Abdullah Ibn Masood. That narration is recorded by Al Tabari in his tafsir https://shamela.ws/book/43/432#p1

[hidden shore]

@verbal drift tell me how to date a Muslim girl

[viscid elbow]

Send me that ayah

[verbal drift]

It's in a commentary of Surah 68:1

[verbal drift]

Do you know Kab Al Ahbar?

[verbal drift]

Just say you are a Muslim, she will agree to date you

[hidden shore]

nahh, if she didn’t see me I pray everyday i will be cooked

Yeah it actually works for a while but never works forever

[verbal drift]

The issue if her father knows you lied to her, not only you would be cooked but certainly khaaabbbb

[verbal drift]

Sure but don't. They are over the possessive and control type of women

[hidden shore]

Muslim mans?

[hidden shore]

👀 we was just hanging out around she knew that I don’t follow any religions , it is counts as dating

I thought she is kinda into me I guess

🌚

[verbal drift]

Muslim women. They control their husbands harshly if their husbands are not cruel.

[verbal drift]

Where is she from?

[hidden shore]

🇮🇳

[verbal drift]

Well, Indian Muslims are liberal.
Although you can marry her and not choose to be a Muslim.

And in India, they don't have a law of apostasy. But if her father and family background are religious. Then they might cause serious problems

[sacred mauve]

hello everyone

[verbal drift]

Well, you got to be careful if you are traveling in India

Cause they lie a lot

[urban swift]

[viral lintel]

are u taking indian gf now

[hidden shore]

i got it

[hidden shore]

i think i literally have a chance

[hidden shore]

that is actually true

[hidden shore]

Nahh i am still a single

[sacred mauve]

congregations

i mean

congratulations

[viral lintel]

is this the mcdonal girl

[sacred mauve]

whar

[crisp zephyr]

注意安全，别被仙人跳了

[hidden shore]

yes

[hidden shore]

nahh , i met her before

[crisp zephyr]

Alright

[wary sand]

Hello

[hidden shore]

that is wild,being submissive to a wife

[hidden shore]

any thought?

[viral lintel]

1st date on mcdonalds very romantic i think u found your person

[hidden shore]

wtf it is considerd a date

we are not a couple

[viral lintel]

あっ　ぁ　ｱｯ　あ～♡　行く

[hidden shore]

actually i wont date muslim girls

@viral lintel let me told you how i met this girl

[dire cove]

Let me tell you*

[dense pumice]

Ave Lucifer

[hidden shore]

?what

[dire cove]

Its let me tell you bro* not told

[river token]

Do mandarin speakers easily understand cantonese or is it very different?

[fathom badge]

I heard that some husbands are in Sichuan that’s what 粑耳朵 means

[hidden shore]

i remembered that day , i was typing a name to add my friend, but coincidentally i added the wrong person , but we chatted a little bit, it is been a year, she knows that i will go to india, she texted me that, come to her city and then i went there

[crisp zephyr]

The pronunciation differences are quite significant, but there is no problem with the written communication

[hidden shore]

i heard they just know how to play 麻将, mans are good at cooking , they listen to their wife tho

[hidden shore]

my ex is from Sichuan

[fathom badge]

was she the t-rex type

🦖🦖🦖

[hidden shore]

what i did not get it

[fathom badge]

川渝大暴龙

[hidden shore]

actually she is very gentle tho

[fresh flower]

We speak English in this country

[hidden shore]

she does not like spicy food, the only woman that i have ever seen

[viscid elbow]

@hexed mauve how much do u understand animals bro

If they do worship they wouldn't tell u

[viscid elbow]

Wut abt Hebrew

[shell hemlock]

did the animals tell him that

[river token]

Why did the God not give us the ability to understand all the language in the world? That would be pretty neat.

[viscid elbow]

Idk man I'm confused as well

[fathom badge]

u can have a glimpse of the differences in pronunciation by taking a look at these numerals: 1 yat yi 2 yi er 3 saam san 4 sei si 5 ng wu 6 luk liu 7 cat qi 8 baat ba 9 gau jiu 10 sap shi (number-cantonese-mandarin)

@river token

[viscid elbow]

@hexed mauve it maintains the Ecosystem u told me uve studied biology and according to Islam death isn't the end and the afterlife is way better for ppl who suffered in this world as for animals idk man they don't tell me

[river token]

Do you learn both cantonese and mandarin numerals in China?

Or is it something people living in Cantonese speaking regions instinctively know?

[fathom badge]

it’s how they speak in Cantonese, largely unintelligible to mandarin speakers

i’ll have to learn b4 i understand what they said

btw i speak mandarin with my regional accent

[river token]

I see, pretty interesting!

[river token]

I imagine there must be a lot of regional dialects since China is so vast?

[fathom badge]

yes there are sometimes they are called sinitic languages when not considered dialects

[hidden shore]

@river token where are you from

[crisp zephyr]

No, currently, schools in China are only allowed to use Mandarin for instruction. Only Hong Kong still uses Cantonese for instruction, but their written language seems to be Mandarin

[viral lintel]

is this the reason u moved to india

[river token]

Figured, interesting. I'll look into it. What dialect do you speak in?

[hidden shore]

nahh

i actually travel all around the wrold not just specially india

[shell hemlock]

why are we so nice to the countries that don’t give a shi abt us

[fathom badge]

that was what Mandarin was supposed to mean in the first place “language of the government officials” 官话

[river token]

That's so fun, what countries have you traveled to? Do you travel for work or just as a vacation?

[viral lintel]

how do u pay your travel

[fathom badge]

a non-mandarin one in southern china

[hidden shore]

many countries, i forgot

[fathom badge]

did u go to africa already

[crisp zephyr]

Yeah, I support language unification and reducing communication barriers

[river token]

Roger that, I suppose for better connectivity and homogeneity in the regions?

[hidden shore]

african countries, south american countries, middle east, southeast aisan

mostly i have been there once

[hidden shore]

yeah

[river token]

Woah, you're living the life dude. Is it for work? Or is it just vacation trips?

[hexed mauve]

Ok god kills n tells humans to animals just to take them to afterlife even if they haven't done anything wrong

[hidden shore]

hard working

[high raven]

It's the UN force not Cambodia

[viral lintel]

i can guess, afga, kurd, india pakistan bangladesh iran iraq

[fathom badge]

exactly what Parisian French has done to other dialects/languages in France lol

[hidden shore]

work

[hidden shore]

iraq i would say

[viral lintel]

you are working in india now?

[viral lintel]

u should be travelling to europe instead

[river token]

Yue?

[hidden shore]

europe is not fun

[viral lintel]

here watch this

[fathom badge]

nope Yue is the endonym for Cantonese dude

[viral lintel]

i think u only go to poor places

[river token]

I thought that's the only non mandarin dialect in China, lmao. T-T

[viscid elbow]

Vegetarian statement but he made those animals as a food for humans and he told us to sacrifice em in a way that hurts em the least and mind u atheists eat animals as well and they don't kill em in a painless way

[river token]

Are you from Shanghai? Wu, probably?

[viscid elbow]

Too many Chinese in serious chat

[river token]

I'm just eyeballing it, to be honest...

[fathom badge]

stop doxxing me bro😭

it’s already illegal for me to be here

[high raven]

It's a good thing, @fervent oxide has done a lot of damage to their reputation

[hidden shore]

yes it is true that poor places, but people there are, there is no countries that is rich tho, economic differences exist, but individuals don’t always think I am poor — they just live their reality

[river token]

Shanghai is my dream city to visit in China!!

[viscid elbow]

Still ppl were protesting to get him back in server

[fathom badge]

why Shanghai is boring nothing but skyscrapers

[viral lintel]

how much did u bring money to start your 1 month trip

[river token]

Well, just because it's called the Wall Street of China. 😭

[hidden shore]

1 dollar

[viral lintel]

what

[high raven]

Are you one of those

[river token]

Shanghai and Chongqing, probably the two cities I would actually go to in China.

[viral lintel]

he is cheapstake

[high raven]

There's many foreigners who travel to Asian countries with no money just to leech off the goodness of the locals

[river token]

Chongqing, because they've beautiful hills and infrastructure.

[high raven]

They're usually white though

[hexed mauve]

Why did he told humans to kill animals

[hidden shore]

cuz 1 dollar can start 1 month trip,and 1 cent which you can living in the country, no money you still can survive

[viscid elbow]

Half of the English travel vloggers

[viral lintel]

hmm let me guess, so u took 70 bucks to fly to india and probably u are burning 20bucks for stay and some 10 bucks for food thats like 1000-2000 dollar

[crisp zephyr]

This is an inevitable process

[viral lintel]

he is one of those

[crisp zephyr]

We support the supreme leader

[river token]

I feel really pissed when I watch videos of rich tourists in war torn countries like Syria and instead of contributing financially, they just accept 'hospitality' from the locals and accept all the free stuff.

[viral lintel]

1 dollar my arse

[hidden shore]

nahh i never do that instead indian people take my money

[viscid elbow]

Cuz theyre meant to be eaten doesn't make him cruel or merciless he made em for a purpose and they r fulfilling that purpose

[hidden shore]

this is fucking stuipd question tho to ask people how much you start a month trip

[viral lintel]

no im asking u how much did u have originally before u started this trip

[hidden shore]

not that much

[river token]

You should actually contribute your money towards these poor economies and local businesses; they're usually suffering more than rich bakeries and restaurants in America where people leave a large tip for grandiose. I notice vocal cultures get ripped off far less than respectful subtle cultures.

[viral lintel]

ill just assume you are on budget

[high raven]

Not even arguing back and going with the whole "No I insist I must pay" game is wild to me 😭

[woven quail]

[viral lintel]

this is why u dont travel to europe or north america

[high raven]

It's almost as bad when they go to the most rural of villages and haggle prices

[magic olive]

Gen chat is dead but this place is still running

[hidden shore]

yes

[hidden shore]

innit japan better than europe

[fathom badge]

now it’s dead too

[fresh flower]

Are you dumb

[shell hemlock]

bro i’m traveling rn in my own country in southeast asia and i’m doing the same as those foreigners

[wispy sky]

I know you are the type of forgiener who is going to places where we indians think twice before going there I get it bro

We got ton of good places

But u decided to show dirty places and insulting the whole country lmao

[shell hemlock]

europe isn’t a country

😭

[high raven]

That's fine though, it's your own people and you know the culture, I meant more so the begpackers

These guys

[shell hemlock]

i’m staying at a hostel rn with those backpackers, ngl, worst travel experience ever

[wispy sky]

Bag packing is good what do you mean

[shell hemlock]

i wanted to say they ruin this city (the one with angkor wat) but they’re the main source of income for us so i can’t even be mad

[plain ruin]

@high rapids

[shell hemlock]

they are definitely cheapskates who have money to spare but choose not to

what, i mean they have money to spend but choose not to

and they are usually in large groups with little to no regard for locals here (i’m talking about white foreigners btw) not all of them are the same, but majority of them come to cambodia and treat it like trash

[wispy sky]

I personally would not prefer staying in fancy hotels .. especially with a travel package it sucks you can't even interact with locals so

[shell hemlock]

they litter, they talk loudly, they complain a lot

[shell hemlock]

i usually choose hotels that are more than 3-4 stars but i’m going on a budget to be able to afford my next trip

so this is my first hostel experience and it sucks

the hostel itself is pleasant but the foreigners kinda ruined it for me

[wispy sky]

That's true ...we had a beautiful beach here called varkala ...now it's just dirty because of forgieners especially from south america now we locals are cleaning it everyday

[plain ruin]

If it wasn't a tourist-y time, it'd be pretty pleasant

[wispy sky]

Try solo travelling dont interact with travellers tbh

[shell hemlock]

i am solo traveling, i chose a private room instead of a dorm with sweaty backpackers

would never put myself in that situation

[shell hemlock]

same thing happened with the islands in cambodia, vietnam, thailand, indonesia, yk islands like koh rong, bali and phu quoc

[wispy sky]

When I solo travelled bhutan I used to hitchhike the whole country lol it was so fun and got the chance to interact with locals and thankfully had a chance to attend a local wedding

[shell hemlock]

it’s littered with trash bc they don’t care since it’s southeast asia

[wispy sky]

Yeah ik that would be unpleasant

[wispy sky]

Unfortunately social media is not gonna show all this

[shell hemlock]

the mainstream beaches yeah, they’re dirty asf and overtime the quality of the nature changes, i last went to a smaller island in koh rong that’s quieter with less people and it was amazing

made a couple of foreign friends from the uk and the locals there were super nice

[verbal drift]

You the ability, ability I would say is a potency to be actualized. You can learn it and can understand

[wispy sky]

Yeah i noticed something that foreigners who come from germany , spain and france are great they even help us in take the garbage but Americans and south americans are worst they have a attitude like they owe everything

[wispy sky]

Generally European travellers are great

[shell hemlock]

german and french tourists are great yeah

they’re more likely to stay in those more secluded areas

rather than the crowded party kind of areas

every time i see american tourists they are usually always angry or complaining about something to each other

[verbal drift]

huh

[shell hemlock]

for example when i was on the bus they were at the back complaining about how the bus left 10 mins later than the scheduled hour due to loading the baggages

[wispy sky]

Yeah there is a different situation here because even our own people like from other states don't know how to preserve the nature ...when we say something they start to say this is racism and hatred i guess ur country doesn't have that problem

[wispy sky]

Exactly 💯

[fringe turtle]

https://codenames.game/r/vukit-bakoz

[shell hemlock]

and they were the ones with the heavy baggage’s that the staff had to load

[verbal drift]

Pain uff

[shell hemlock]

we don’t have any racism or discrimination here that’s the good part about the people here

[verbal drift]

Aren't Combodians against Thai people

[wispy sky]

Great to hear sadly we don't have that states hate eachother here

[uncut tiger]

is it racist to keep chickens as pets but not cockroaches

[fathom badge]

there are cockroach pets in fact

[high raven]

Are they white?

[shell hemlock]

perhaps due to some political conflicts

[river token]

British tourists are an absolute nightmare.

[shell hemlock]

yes lol

[quasi needle]

where are you from

[river token]

American tourists are much more obnoxious yet weirdly thoughtful and cheery at the same time.

[quasi needle]

ill subject your country to my wrath of misery

[sweet wolf]

What do these guys do

[fathom badge]

owen got mad

[high raven]

Brits just drink and stick to themselves, I'd take those as tourists instead of the Chinese

[shell hemlock]

i’ve been solo traveling for a while now, i think i’ve slowly learned differentiating ethnicities just by observation

[wispy sky]

Yeah my country is full of different polltical ideologies and conflicts

[river token]

I'm talking about the liberals, the conservatives are a nightmare!

[quasi needle]

yeah im sorry chinese/asian tourists are INFINITELY worse than any american or european tourist

[shell hemlock]

i met a british couple from london when i was in koh rong they were so cool

[quasi needle]

like bro

[river token]

Thankfully, the racist conservatives don't even bother coming.

[high raven]

Spend their last money to travel to a developing country then leech off the good will of the locals to eat and sleep

[shell hemlock]

they’re so chill, what a vibe

[quasi needle]

theyre ALWAYS in the way