🧠｜serious-chat

[plain ruin]

And wasn't Mary from Nazareth? While Jesus was born from Betlehem?

[glacial osprey]

Bro the manger was in the house and mary and joseph were present there hence they knew what shephards did and said

[plain ruin]

How would they have known what the shepherds said to Herod after they left though?

[verbal drift]

Both

[glacial osprey]

Joseph and a pregnant Mary traveled from Nazareth to Bethlehem where jesus was born

[plain ruin]

You're getting basic facts wrong like "mary's house"
I don't think you should be talking about this

[plain ruin]

Exactly
So how would Mary have a house in Bethlehem?😭

[glacial osprey]

Buddy the MANGER used to be INSIDE THE HOUSE and mary was present during that event

[shell hemlock]

obviously they use teleportation

[high rapids]

please shut up

[turbid harbor]

can you use punctuations more im straight up dazed by your long ass chats

[verbal drift]

It wasn't her house, traditionally Joseph was born there. That's why he went there for the census.

[glacial osprey]

Watch the debate between jimmy akin and bart ehrman
Jimmy theorized they could've easily had two houses

[plain ruin]

I'll explain this to you, since you're probably not a native English speaker

In English, when you say "Mary's house"

It means "The house that Mary owns"

[glacial osprey]

@plain ruin

[plain ruin]

"Theorized"
So not proven, thanks

[high rapids]

@plain ruin You´re doing a great job. You´re a great guy!!!!

[gritty bobcat]

Whos a house now?

[verbal drift]

It could be her house. The text doesn't say whose house was that

[plain ruin]

Exactly my point, but they also went looking for multiple inns that night.

[glacial osprey]

There is no reason to doubt she didnt have two houses

[verbal drift]

Such as?

[verbal drift]

Right , she could have two houses.

The text doesn't say whether she had or she didn't have.

We are not certain.

[slender coral]

That's Nobu?

Oh I see

[verbal drift]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-laugh-kid-fake-fake-laugh-gif-13229430

Anyone claims, it's their duty to prove it

[plain ruin]

There's no reason to believe she had two houses either

Neither can be proven

[uncut tiger]

[thorny steeple]

Bro why the do you like mentally ill people

[verbal drift]

Why not? Why she can't have two houses!

[plain ruin]

Sorry, that's the version that is taught to people of the nativity story in some churches

I checked and it does not explicitly say multiple inns

[verbal drift]

Sure, it's not in the bible. And if things aren't there, there is no good reason to assume otherwise.

[plain ruin]

Did I say that she cannot?

There's no proof of either being true or false though

[verbal drift]

Yeah thus we have to be agnostic with that position. We are not sure.

[plain ruin]

Yes, which is my point
Can't say "Mary's house" or state theories as facts

[glacial osprey]

So there is literally no reason to doubt events being described in the gospels unless you have concrete evidence that mary didnt have two houses
Jimmy explained they went back to Bethlehem for a census this internal evidence leans to mary having a second house then not having it

[verbal drift]

It's not in the bible , I have no issues

[glacial osprey]

Literally none

Islam just says he didnt die to make their own narrative lmao

[uncut tiger]

@verbal drift happy good friday

[fresh flower]

Khyah

[uncut tiger]

[plain ruin]

You don't have concrete evidence that she did either though

And also, when the shepherds left, they talked to Herod, and they never went to Mary after that

And Matthew 1:12 also says that, after the incident, the Magi fled from Herod

So how would they have told the story about their encouter of Herod?
Herod would not want to publicize a story of him being tricked, like in Matthew 1:16

[high rapids]

Today is your lucky day

[slender coral]

May Allah curse you

[plain ruin]

May Allah promote you to air conditioner

[wind zephyr]

U are non believer

[somber pollen]

when am i getting my orator role for being super super active in this chat?

[fresh flower]

You can't pay to be an intellectual buddy

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/goodfellas-laugh-liotta-gif-13856770980338154376

[plain ruin]

Sigh... They always try to pull a brother down

[fresh flower]

These guys think paying for Viveks lunch makes them smart

[plain ruin]

Reminds me of Ovesh

[fresh flower]

I pity the fool

[fresh flower]

He's here rn

@summer sphinx

Stop talking to girls

[summer sphinx]

yeah

[plain ruin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/seth-jinzhan-eNSNeXRGeHmBLkYQrU

[summer sphinx]

I tried but both of them btches turned out to be so dumb

[plain ruin]

"tried"

[fresh flower]

Yoo.....

[plain ruin]

So being dumb made you want to talk to them further?

[summer sphinx]

one is agnostic and says the US always follows jurisdiction

[plain ruin]

Are you trying to diagnose them with your NEET skills

[summer sphinx]

other is just emotionally imbalanced

[plain ruin]

Sounds perfect for you

[summer sphinx]

tragedy both seemed pretty

[summer sphinx]

last thing I would want

[plain ruin]

Her imbalance can counter your imbalance

[summer sphinx]

maybe ur onto something

but I would end up ending myself if that kind of relation lasted long enough

@fresh flower diga wtf is that sticker on ur pfp

[plain ruin]

😭

[summer sphinx]

either that or just get pregnant and blame the kid for our unstable lives

That's India summed up ngl

[plain ruin]

When'd you become this depressed

[summer sphinx]

ive got exams coming and I lost my notes

[plain ruin]

Why don't you ask others

[summer sphinx]

they also have exams coming

[plain ruin]

Okay so just scan and send each page as they do it, just a few seconds per page

[summer sphinx]

that would be like asking to share water in a desert

[plain ruin]

They don't have to share all pages at once

[summer sphinx]

10 days left bro

[plain ruin]

You're fucked

Might as well get it over with

[summer sphinx]

I'm not even gonna read allat

[plain ruin]

Do grocery deliveries or something atp

[summer sphinx]

imma just ask for the topics and have them sent

[fervent imp]

It’s just I’m the one who thinks otherwise yk

It’s a cake I made. I always try new recipe out of my mind XD

[fresh flower]

Feet

[summer sphinx]

why u disrespecting supreme leader like that

yahudi

[fresh flower]

That's NOT why I have it💀

[plain ruin]

You gotta kiss the feet bro

[summer sphinx]

shut up white boy ik what u are

[fresh flower]

@fervent imp Can you warn this guy for xenophobic comments

[plain ruin]

Seconded

[summer sphinx]

fuh is she gonna do

who is u

[fervent imp]

Someone who will get rid of you if I wanted

[fervent imp]

😭😭😭

[fervent imp]

Yes I can.

[grim folio]

Relax

[plain ruin]

Bastard you should've said "May"

[grim folio]

Feminist

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-gif-848912551340513

[grim folio]

At least am not a monkey:(

[quasi needle]

there’s no way bro

did you use orbs

[uncut tiger]

?def xenophobia

[cursive bobcat]

Word: xenophobia

Definition (noun): a fear of foreigners or strangers

Definition requested by diaz._.7

[summer sphinx]

but u wouldn't want that would u

[fervent imp]

[summer sphinx]

good gurl

[crisp zephyr]

Good morning Adash

[verbal drift]

That is not a historical book. No scholars take that child abuse book as historical

[verbal drift]

Thanks

[glacial osprey]

I atleast have implicit evidence on my side
All you have is hostility towards the text
Implicit evidence is better then no evidence
Again the male disciples had contact to a female disciple of jesus whose husband worked for the son of herod
There are many ways for this information to be passed
1.The Magi told Joseph/Mary Before or after presenting gifts, or through some communication.

2.Mary/Joseph learned from others Perhaps through the broader events.

3. Herod's court or servants leaked it Herod consulted priests/scribes publicly (Matt 2:4), so the inquiry was known. The Magi's arrival caused a stir in Jerusalem ("all Jerusalem with him" troubled). People knew Magi came asking about newborn king. When they didn't return, and then the massacre happened, people could infer or rumor what occurred.

4. Herod's deception failed publicly The massacre made the event memorable. Survivors/families in Bethlehem would know Herod ordered killings because of the king threat. The star/Magi story could circulate as explanation for why Herod did it.

[verbal drift]

lol

[wind zephyr]

Curse ai

[glacial osprey]

Bruh

😭

[verbal drift]

[glacial osprey]

Astaghfirullah what is @plain ruin typing

[verbal drift]

A huge paragraph prolly

[glacial osprey]

This dude has been typing for 10 minutes

[verbal drift]

Lol. U should run inductive arguments

[glacial osprey]

I swear bro if its smth out of topic i would jump

[verbal drift]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-lmao-meme-laughing-boy-funny-meme-funny-cat-gif-4387282817351648606

[plain ruin]

I just started typing, 10 minutes ago I opened the chat and went away for tea

[glacial osprey]

I am not black

[plain ruin]

1. There isn't actually proof that your points 1. 2. 3. or 4. actually happened implicitly alone, if the Magi received the news through a dream that they should escape Herod, there would not be any need to again give a dream to the couple, they could themselves tell the couple of their previous and their new dream

2. I'm not being hostile towards the Bible, I'm simply using your logic against you;
   i.e. Attempting to point out that you know better/Other texts are flawed when the same is said about your texts just as well

3. You keep ignoring the actual point of my disagreement with you, which is that ultimately, whether Christ died or not, it does not actually matter in terms of humanity

What does matter is you being a good person according to your own faith and the muslims being good according to their own faith

[plain ruin]

Herod wouldn't have wanted it public at all by the way, that would be a huge threat to him
Joanna on the other hand could make sense

I actually asked you about the nativity story to get an idea of what you think on the subject as well, by the way

[wind zephyr]

Everyone use ai to debate

[opaque bramble]

Trump is the true definition of Christian Values

[opaque bramble]

It's not that hard to agree that your messiah was a pred bro

[plain ruin]

I think there's a lot of implicit things in the Gospels, but the writers should have put in more effort in order to explicitly state who said what, it would make the reading experience a whole lot better

[wind zephyr]

What

[opaque bramble]

Nothing

was referring to believers

[wind zephyr]

What messiah

What pred?

[plain ruin]

😭

[opaque bramble]

Mohammed

[glacial osprey]

Responding to 2
No you arent using logic you are being hyperskeptical also muhammad is wrong about jesus it doesnt take a genius to figure this out there is a reason the quran isnt taken as a source on jesus

3. I agree humanity is important but one of the historical facts of history of humanity includes the death of jesus so idc about the 600 years later account of a dude that wanted to start his own religion so he used jesus to say he was prophesied when in fact he wasnt he basically lied

Now 1 .
All 4 are historical possibilities you cannot even debunk 1 saying nah uh isnt an argument

Herod not wanting the event to be public is already addressed there could've been a massive leak its not farfetched to say that when a man killed children of a town and that information would spread no matter how much you try to control it

And yeah the nativity story in my opinion doesnt actually have problems everything can be harmonized in perfect order if the person is willing

[wind zephyr]

Oh

[glacial osprey]

Papyrus is expensive
They had alot of saying and doing material of jesus
Writing sources wouldve been tough while writing all of that

[opaque bramble]

it's not that deep not to fall for fairytales

[fresh flower]

Is it fair to say that atheists are generally more inclined to be lazy than religious people because there's no faith that drives them

If you believe in nothing, why do anything

[glacial osprey]

Uhh idk man one piece is cool

[fresh flower]

Shoutout Goku

[plain ruin]

Responding in your order:

1. It's not about logic or me being skeptical, in fact you simply just stated that Muhammad is wrong etc. etc., that's based on what?

If he got "divine revelation" it can supersede any amount of human writing
For example, the early jews believed that Abraham knew God as Yahweh in their original scripture, only after Moses and Joshua was it known that God appeared to Abraham as El Shaddai, and even now the earlier books have also been edited to reflect that

Things can and have changed retroactively in the Bible itself

2. Do you know absolutely that he lied or not? That's the whole point
   You're saying one book can't be true because of enmity, not because you have some knowledge from elsewhere

3. I never said that they are impossible, but I've pointed out how the Gospels don't actually fill the gap themselves with who they talked to

4. The high priests only come into the picture at the time where Herod asked about the child, not when he gave orders to kill the babies

5. Since you brought up Josephus's testimony earlier, do you think that it would be something important to note that he doesn't have anything to say about the event of Herod killing multiple newborns? He even wrote about Herod's death so I would assume that such a big threat to Herod would also be written about by him

6. Are you aware of the widely accepted fact that each gospel has various political audiences?
   Such as Matthew being more Jewish, Luke being aimed towards Romans/Greek, John being "universal" and Mark being mostly non-jew?

[sick bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-woods-big-dog-dap-hd-gif-1002723351936912704

[plain ruin]

But the gospels would've been written years after Jesus and also before the authors were killed/died?
By that time, money would become less and less of a problem, especially since some of them went into writing way more books later

(Atleast, traditionally)

You've been a much nicer person to talk to, I'm just very curious on your stances/beliefs, I like to question people and test what they know (what they are sure of)/understand (their personal opinions)

[opaque bramble]

Tiger my GoAt

King of getting paid

[high rapids]

a chocolate cake would be great

[opaque bramble]

His private Island is richer than Epstein's

[wispy sky]

Hm not true we do see people as humans tbh ... Like we fight for something realistic like your loved ones , Country etc

Majority of atheists follow their religion in a very private manner so

[uncut tiger]

What does it matter though, you're gonna die anyway and it's all gonna end one day

[wispy sky]

True ...

[glacial osprey]

1 and 2 . Are you actually giving credibility to muhammad? 😂
Assuming muhammad has divine revelation is begging the question fallacy and presuming islam is true to begin with actual christian apologists have an order david pallman whohas a degree in apologetics literally argues against this sort of reasoning
He doesnt go from biblical inspiration to gospel reliability to jesus miracles he goes from gospel reliability from the historical data then from that he gets to the miracles of jesus then you get to biblical inspiration
Your entire argument is lwk Dawah propaganda " if the quran is true the the Quran is true" 😂 😂
Muhammad is wrong based on his own book surah 7:157 he says he is prophesied in the previous books there is literally no prophecy about this guy and later he said jesus prophesied him because he said so lmao 😂 😂

3. The gospels dont have to give you every single damn detail use your mind as well buddy no ancient biography goes into every corner of every single event

4. Now this point i am gonna. Bring up erik manning's words "why did the Jewish historian Josephus stay silent about the Bethlehem massacre? Clearly he tells us a lot about the misdeeds of the evil Herod, so why stay silent here? In response, it’s possible that he never heard about it or that he simply didn’t care.
   Bethlehem wasn’t bustling—it had around 1,200-1,500 residents, with just 300 in the town itself according to some archaeologists’ estimates. So, while the Massacre of the Innocents was tragic, it might not have been a major event—maybe a dozen baby boys lost. In our sensitive media-driven world, that sounds shocking, but to Josephus’ Roman audience, it might have seemed minor. As historian Paul Maier notes, the Greco-Roman crowd had little concern for infant deaths. Greeks practiced infanticide as birth control, especially in Sparta, and Roman fathers had the power to let their babies die at birth.

Furthermore, Josephus also overlooked other major events. He didn’t mention Emperor Claudius expelling Jews from Rome, although Suetonius and Luke did. Using Josephus’ silence to discredit Matthew’s story falls flat. There are lots of things that we believe are historical that are based on a single source."

Take Pliny the Younger: in two long letters to Tacitus, he describes the eruption of Mount Vesuvius but never mentions the destruction of Pompeii or Herculaneum. Should we assume those towns weren’t buried because he didn’t mention them? Of course not. Pliny might have thought it wasn’t relevant

[glacial osprey]

6. This is common knowledge even the church fathers knew this bruh

[high rapids]

Why don't you explain to me what you mean by “common sense”?

[glacial osprey]

Sorry bad phrasing

[opaque bramble]

why Do Christians follow in Christian Values and still have pre martial sex

[plain ruin]

I never claimed that the Quran is true for the sake of it, you said he lied, I simply asked you, "How do you know that?"

And instead of giving an answer, you're giving a bunch of hearsay

The Gospels do lack detail compared to Old Testament texts, even some of the texts after Babylonic occupation in my opinion have more detail on various things

The over reliance on implicit texts is pretty bewildering to me

5. This doesn't make sense, at least to me
   It would be a pretty important event to note to begin with, because it was talking about a threat to Herod, which according to Matthew, enraged him

To say he didn't hear of it would be ridiculous, and to say that he didn't care would also be ridiculous since he would speak about other small events as well

And now you're starting to demonstrate your use of an echo chamber in order to demonstrate your point rather than as a tool for giving you arguments for/against the situation

[plain ruin]

Yes, I'm just curious about whether you know about it yourself

[opaque bramble]

if that's what your Messiah did and states that it's right to do it, then It's your choice cus it doesn't make that bad

[high rapids]

You could answer this question yourself using common sense, or do you need someone to do the thinking for you?

[opaque bramble]

Sorry Don't get your point

[high rapids]

Let me ask you a question okay?

[opaque bramble]

Okay

[plain ruin]

You're saying someone who has a degree in apologetics

Why would you use someone who by definition would defend Christian ideas, in order to discredit Muslim ideas?

I think it would be wiser for you to use a combination of the Quran/Bible/other texts followed by Christians/Jews/Muslims together in order to give points for and against your claim to make your point

You're not trying to ask about what's real at all

Apologetics as a degree is something else

Seems like you got flagged by discord

[opaque bramble]

he probs abusing A. I

[plain ruin]

Not probably, he straight up is

[gritty bobcat]

Who cares yall

[plain ruin]

He's exactly like Abdul was @high rapids 😭

[glacial osprey]

How am I giving u a hearsay of muhammad this is his own book (the quran) these are his words ❓ ❓

The gospels confirm the old testament btw it literally uses them and quotes them the gospels confirming the old tetsament give more detail to the death of christ as well because they treat isaiah 53 as messianic and if you read that chapter you would know why that adds extra detail the old testament gets clearer after the new testament reading because you start to realize who the old testament is pointing to
The old testament had sometimes very high status writers too like daniel the guy was a massive political figure who knew many languages so him writing in more detail is to be expected then the 4 gospel authors who were a doctor , a tax collecter a fisherman and a supposed roman elite and follower of paul and peter (fisherman and tentmaker) lmao

5. The audience of matthew was majority jewish so matthew easily couldve presumed that his audience knew some of this oh wait sorry this is about josephus uhh so basically this is an argument from silence i even gave you a historian who says because it was usual it wouldnt be the major highlight there isnt any echo chamber you are making arguments from silence

[glacial osprey]

I literally told you that this is erik manning not ai

[glacial osprey]

The apologist i am using is simply stating common sense
You dont start by presuming divine inspiration that comes in later if anyone credible read this message of yours he would laugh and then stop laughing once realizing you are actually serious

If you presume divine inspiration from the beginning whats the point in arguing for historical reliability ?

Are you dumb?

Have you ever heard of begging the question?

Buddy is saying jesus didnt die lmao

😂 😂

[plain ruin]

1. I know about the quotes and references, are they in the original gospel texts or are/were they added after the fact? (I genuinely don't know)

I don't think that directly means that Muhammad's claim wasn't true at all. His claim is very vague, which would be a much stronger argument against him, but you're using the apologetics argument, hence, hearsay

2. But even if their statuses were low, it still doesn't explain how they would still be poor if they're writing years after Christ's death, does it?

3. You are using AI, which has been proven to be an echo chamber

[glacial osprey]

Also the apologist I am using didnt use this reasoning against a muslim this is the most elementary reasoning that he shared towards a Christian to show that you dont beg the question

[plain ruin]

You're saying "I literally told you that this is erik manning not ai"

Where did you say that text in this image is from Erik Manning? Please point it out

[plain ruin]

When did I say that?

[plain ruin]

The whole point of Apologists is to defend their faith no matter what to begin with, though

[glacial osprey]

3. Are you gonna close your ears and go lalalalala ???
   This is erik manning not ai?

1 .what gospel quotes were added after the fact??? Br uh
Also muhammads claim is not vague he says he is in the gospels and the torah this is very plain claim read the quran too buddy

2. How would they be poor? The Christian movement in the first century was a persecuted illegal one christianity didnt become legal till the 300s
   All of the apostles were persecuted and especially every Christian was too
   Christians didnt become rich using the gospels in the first century this is a gross misunderstanding of history right here

[plain ruin]

I looked up the paragraph and only 4 results show up on Google, none being a direct quote of Erik Manning

You don't have to be coy about it

[plain ruin]

Please send the source for where Erik Manning said the Bethlehem wasn't bustling... Paragraph

😛

[glacial osprey]

The website you literally clicked

Is jesus alive is the website of erik manning (testify) 😂 😂 😂

Scroll down you can see his face 😂

[plain ruin]

1. Can you answer/do you have knowledge about whether the references were in the original Koine or not?
   What😭 "he says he is in the gospels and the torah this is very plain claim read the quran too buddy"

That's exactly how it's vague😭 He doesn't say where in the gospels/torah/etc. he is mentioned, which verse, how he's mentioned, etc. did he?

2. Illegality or not, they were respected within their societies and would've received support from the believers at the very least for scribing

[glacial osprey]

This wasnt even a defense of the faith it was actually telling another christian that they were using bad reasoning

[plain ruin]

Okay, fair enough, I checked the author of the article and rechecked the search a little more broadly and found it

[glacial osprey]

Yes they were respected WITHIN their societies but if you read acts 2 of them got killed by stoning and beheading
And if you read clement paul and peter got martyred
Tacitus and pliny also describe gruesome persecution of christians

[plain ruin]

Those killings go upto 60-100AD right?

[glacial osprey]

If muhammads says in general that he is in the gospels and the torah that means we are to find him there and behold you see nothing of him 😂

[glacial osprey]

The persecution started from 30s and late 50s and early 60s

[fresh flower]

What's going on here

[high rapids]

Shawn is cooking

[glacial osprey]

When you give credibility to the claims of muhammad like a dawahist 🥀

[fresh flower]

What's the argument about tho

[thorny steeple]

sup boys?

[plain ruin]

I don't know about that for sure though, I think the fact that he made a vague statement is far more problematic than saying "You can't see anything about him"

Because to begin with, you're already convinced that you wouldn't see anything about him in the first place, your argument is based entirely on your own belief

Saying the statement is vague is much more useful to you as an apologist, because it points out the flaws in Muhammad's own words to begin with

[high rapids]

last time i checked it was about religion

[opaque bramble]

Allah Hu Akbar 🙏🙏🙏

[wind zephyr]

Islam?

[thorny steeple]

Jai Shree Ram

[high rapids]

no

[fresh flower]

Oh no....

[wind zephyr]

Rare case

[plain ruin]

Crazy assumption

[fresh flower]

RSS guy

[wind zephyr]

U support

[glacial osprey]

Saying its vague doesnt help me at all

Also no one is required to be a christian or jew to use this argument its literally the number 1 thing people use against muhammad the guy simply isnt anywhere in those texts

[plain ruin]

I asked you what proves/disproves him, you didn't actually give any satisfying reasoning

[thorny steeple]

good idea

[glacial osprey]

Muhammad says he is prophesied

He isnt
Thats basically enough historical reasoning
You are the first skeptic i have met in 3 years who says this isnt satisfying

🥀

[wind zephyr]

It's about islam again

[plain ruin]

It does...
It's like you asking me where I'm from, and me replying with "I'm from Earth"

The statement would be true no matter what country I'm from

Similarly, the fact that Muhammad made a vague statement actually does help you

Because he doesn't tell you about verse he's in, any verse can apply to him, whether good or bad

One can say he was prophesized about in a good way or a bad way and it can still be true that he can claim "they made prophecies about me"

[glacial osprey]

Then please give the prophecies where he is in " good or bad"
Dude is arguing like a muslim now

[plain ruin]

The vague part is far more convincing because it's a moronic claim to begin with

[plain ruin]

I don't think a muslim would say what I've just said 💀

[glacial osprey]

Nah i am just saying where is he ? Cmon

[plain ruin]

I'm just saying, you saying "He's not there"
That's a claim that would take some muslim guy reading the entire bible to prove or disprove, correct?

[wind zephyr]

U all ai debaters

[plain ruin]

You can directly point out the fact that Muhammad made vague claim to begin with and end it right there though?

The claim itself is stupid

[glacial osprey]

You are acting like muslim apologists havent been searching the bible and reaching to dead ends for 1400 years

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[glacial osprey]

😶

[plain ruin]

Mate I don't know about how many muslims have read it or not, I haven't seen anything about them trying to prove Muhammad in the Bible

I'm saying that attacking the claim is a more effective strategy for you to begin with😭

[wind zephyr]

Jesus was Indian

XD

[plain ruin]

How would a muslim guy counter the idea "The claim is vague" @glacial osprey

I don't think they can

[plain ruin]

And we all believe you're atheist

[wind zephyr]

I am hindu

[glacial osprey]

I dont see how a muslim would respond to that
I am just saying both muslims and christians treat that verse as solid and then fight eachother over it but i mean ok
I gtg too now been too many hours

[wind zephyr]

[plain ruin]

Yeah exactly my point right? Because if Muhammad had the knowledge, he could've quoted a verse from the scripture himself

By letting the Muslim search the Bible, there are basically infinite random prophecies that the Muslim people can try to attribute to Muhammad, especially if they aren't something that we know would've been fulfilled by Jesus

[crystal kayak]

[plain ruin]

You finally decided to stop cosplaying as atheist💀

[wind zephyr]

When I start to cosplaying?

[crystal kayak]

@wind zephyr are you vegan

[wind zephyr]

Vegan and vegetarian are different

[wind zephyr]

I am vegan most of the months

[glacial osprey]

Great point
So yeah had a good conversation now I gtg so bye have a great day

[wind zephyr]

Only 1 time i prefer to be atheist

[plain ruin]

You too brother! In case you're not here in the next few days, have a blessed easter!

[wind zephyr]

Veg*

Vegaterin

[crystal kayak]

Is it for religious reasons or just for the sake

[fresh flower]

I do

[high rapids]

you said vegan

[wind zephyr]

That time i think vegan and vegaterin are sam3

[wind zephyr]

Nah it's just how u raised

Ur parents will kill u if u ate meat on tue thurs

[high rapids]

Since when have you known that it's not the same?

[crystal kayak]

??

[plain ruin]

He's talking about his own culture

[high rapids]

RIP ZAZU

[wind zephyr]

In india, hindu they don't eat meat on tue and Thurs and even Saturday

[sweet wolf]

My family still follows that rule br

[fresh flower]

Why though

[sweet wolf]

only on religiously significant days, monday and thursday

[fresh flower]

I thought Hindus don't eat meat full stop

[high rapids]

Do they eat fish on tue/thurs and Saturday

[wind zephyr]

Hm i don't remember

[wind zephyr]

No

[broken lark]

Who said that

[plain ruin]

Did you see the ayurveda posts I sent

[wind zephyr]

Mostly hindu and sikh

[high rapids]

he is the next indian supreme leader

[plain ruin]

I think he's talking about hindu subcultures rather than "india"

[fresh flower]

Carpe opened up a clinic?

[sweet wolf]

there's a lot of sections under hinduism followed by different people

[wind zephyr]

U might be christian

[sweet wolf]

brahmins are supposed to be purely vegetarian but there are some that eat meat

[broken lark]

Or rather the next supreme misleader

[broken lark]

Hope so

[sweet wolf]

some hindus eat beef too

[plain ruin]

No😭 Official government books in India, I'll DM you

[wind zephyr]

What da , u aren't hindu

[fresh flower]

What the frick 😡😡😡😡

[sweet wolf]

it's whatever followed by the majority that's seen as "hindus do that"

[broken lark]

But imo only he knows what he is talking about

[broken lark]

Lol no

[crystal kayak]

Why though

[plain ruin]

He's one of those hindus who sees India as a hindu country so that would explain it

[wind zephyr]

What the hell why u guys thinking I am misleading

[plain ruin]

I've heard of it before

[high rapids]

your next leader

[fresh flower]

Yoooo 💀💀💀

[wind zephyr]

They are holy day ig actually I don't know the real reason

[fresh flower]

Ngl it sounds like a good treatment 💀

[plain ruin]

There's a whole Ministry dedicated to it😭

[wind zephyr]

Well majority are hindu that's why I used india

[sweet wolf]

maybe it's their way of weeding out people that still believe in ayurveda 💀

[crystal kayak]

So it is basically for religious reasons ,I said that and you said No.And if you don't know the reason why still do it

[plain ruin]

You gotta see the other slides where they talk about elephants, animal testicles, giving meat to people without them knowing its meat, libido enhancement, "reasons people get the common cold", etc.

[wind zephyr]

I told u it's tradition breaking it will cause trouble

[plain ruin]

He said it's how people are raised, which is kind of true

Hinduism is not exactly a single religion, it's more like a collection of cultures honestly, and not all hindu cultures follow this

[plain ruin]

No bro, this is AYUSH material😭😭😭😭😭😭

[wind zephyr]

He is just ragebaiting me

[plain ruin]

People outside India don't know about this fact of Hinduism

[wind zephyr]

Tell him to not cut their private part

Or eat pork

[high rapids]

@fresh flower

[plain ruin]

Tell that to the AYUSH ministry

[wind zephyr]

Hm he is not muslim?

[broken lark]

I wish that would explain it man, but saying something like this #🧠｜serious-chat message just means they've never eaten outside

[wind zephyr]

What's that?

[fresh flower]

Why did you ping me💀💀💀💀

[crystal kayak]

So your basically doing it out of fear you, Aladdin and devil need to grow up.

[high rapids]

think about it

[wind zephyr]

No ,it's how I am raised

[crystal kayak]

Do you like doing it

[wind zephyr]

Yes i literally don't like to eat meat, I only like to taste chicken

[broken lark]

I mean, some people do that on Tuesdays, some do on Thursdays, some on Saturdays but it's not the same for the Hindus either!

[plain ruin]

Yes I know, I'm just saying I've heard about this before from some people, mostly hindus

[broken lark]

💯

[plain ruin]

Modi will tell you

[wind zephyr]

Again modi

[plain ruin]

He created AYUSH, of course he can tell you

[wind zephyr]

...

[high rapids]

If he is your leader, you no longer need enemies

[fresh flower]

Do you support Modi ji

[wind zephyr]

Hm no

If I say yes

[broken lark]

The orange man's current apprentice

[fresh flower]

Ok you are Pakistani spy

[wind zephyr]

I know ur racist words

[fresh flower]

Or Bangladeshi immigrant

[crystal kayak]

What is this

[wind zephyr]

[plain ruin]

https://ayush.gov.in/

[pseudo flume]

[wind zephyr]

https://ayush.gov.in/

[pseudo flume]

Can we please kick all the third worlders from this chat

[wind zephyr]

Medicine and yoga

[plain ruin]

We start with @high rapids /s

[crystal kayak]

So you don't like steaks😭😭 your missing out

[fresh flower]

Shoutout Bangladesh without them we wouldn't have food delivery in Europe

[tiny bluff]

No, bro, austria is a German state 💔

[high rapids]

https://www.axios.com/2026/04/03/iran-us-fighter-shot-down

[wind zephyr]

Nah ,I really feel disgusted when I show those

[crystal kayak]

Aren't you from one?

[pseudo flume]

Yes, Pakistanis, Nepalis and Swedes next

[plain ruin]

Hence the /s

[high rapids]

I always supported you3

[plain ruin]

Swedes top the list, they have Lund

[tiny bluff]

German german german

[fresh flower]

I thought you guys like Lund

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[plain ruin]

That's exactly why it's 3rd world

[pseudo flume]

No, I'm superior

[wind zephyr]

I was about to report

XD

[pseudo flume]

Yeah, I'm aware of emotional graph of your kind

[plain ruin]

it was a /s

[crystal kayak]

@high rapids Austria is a great country

[wind zephyr]

Yeah u are Atheist I can't say same things

[high rapids]

i know

[pseudo flume]

I'm just messing around my love

[wind zephyr]

I don't love Pakistani

[woven quail]

https://x.com/osint613/status/2040045526146511018?s=46

Open Source Intel (@Osint613)

WILD FOOTAGE 🔴

New footage shows USAF operating deep and low inside Iran as search and rescue efforts reportedly continue.

▶ Play video

X · Apr 3, 2026, 12:35 PM

[pseudo flume]

Austria got great history and architecture

[fresh flower]

Depends on where

Some cities have too many immigrants

[pseudo flume]

Is that a flying Kurdish flag

[high rapids]

https://www.axios.com/2026/04/03/iran-us-fighter-shot-down

[woven quail]

It’s Iran

[pseudo flume]

Neither do i

[wind zephyr]

💀

[woven quail]

Yes they’re searching for that 2 American soldiers

[wind zephyr]

How u can hate ur kind

[crystal kayak]

That is where kipchoge made history

[high rapids]

I hope the Iran military find them

[pseudo flume]

19, 20

[woven quail]

I can’t imagine if they find them what will they do to them 💀

[pseudo flume]

I'm not a pakistani, neither do i fancy being one

[woven quail]

67

[pseudo flume]

Funny pfp btw

[woven quail]

Funny! I thought it’s scary for my enemies

[high rapids]

they will threat them well

[tiny bluff]

german schnitzel is superior to austrian schnitzel

[pseudo flume]

Yes if your enemies are US billionaires and Epstein clients

[woven quail]

Ik Iranian have a good hospitality

[woven quail]

Yeah I also find my name in epstine files

[tiny bluff]

???

[woven quail]

No joke

[high rapids]

true after they bombed them for weeks im sure they´re hospitality

[woven quail]

I’m not joking

[plain ruin]

Probably just her first name

[tiny bluff]

I been knowing kurds were evil 😨

[plain ruin]

Probably the one who took the cloth from the Kaaba herself 🤬

[high rapids]

@woven quail What is the difference between Arabic and Kurdish? Are these languages similar?

[plain ruin]

Letters and words overlap

[tiny bluff]

Kurdish is just an arabic dialect

[tiny bluff]

Kurds are mountain arabs

[plain ruin]

(Dont say that in front of Kurds)

[woven quail]

It’s 2 different languages but yep they have similarities

[woven quail]

Nope mountain Turk

[plain ruin]

The turks are going to use this to validate their annexation of you now

[woven quail]

Let them be happy 😍

Making ppl happy will grant u heaven

[plain ruin]

Why let Besiktas be happy

[plain ruin]

Fair enough

[woven quail]

Always be kind

Unless it’s about || Arab ||

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/hyperich's-hyperichs-gif-16284268020072465553

[tiny bluff]

turks are arab, moving on 😋

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/hyperich's-hyperichs-gif-16284268020072465553

[tiny bluff]

Inbreeding

[woven quail]

U offended Arab

[tiny bluff]

Turks are better arabs

Wouldn't turks be offended by that though

[plain ruin]

We got Ayurveda talking about PCOS before GTA 6

It's so fucking over man

[tiny bluff]

Since it's turks that want to be europeans

[woven quail]

U better leave this server if they saw that

[fresh flower]

If Iran finds him they should do public hanging

[high rapids]

i agree

[tiny bluff]

No

[fresh flower]

Hegseth said no quarter

[tiny bluff]

The PR is on their side, why disrupt the soft power

[fresh flower]

Killing a US soldier is good PR

[high rapids]

2

[tiny bluff]

No

[plain ruin]

@fresh flower guess what im reading

[tiny bluff]

Right now, most of the US left is on Iran's side

[fresh flower]

Is this @summer sphinx thesis

[tiny bluff]

Idt they should risk that

[plain ruin]

yes bro

[tiny bluff]

They should keep him hostage

[woven quail]

Iran after they heard the USA solders are on their land

[tiny bluff]

Or them

It's also a leverage

[plain ruin]

They've listed like 100 plants over here, you could use this for your farming degree atp

[fresh flower]

Holy 💀💀💀

[tiny bluff]

Since Iran isn't as developed as US military wise

[fresh flower]

Bros doing ANYTHING except take medicine

[fresh flower]

Leverage for what bro

US isn't going to do anything for 1 random goober, if he was Israeli the IDF would've bombed him

[plain ruin]

I call bs😭

[cerulean pivot]

What's it's issue

[plain ruin]

Plants for treating epilepsy
Hold on I've got to show you something that's actually crazier

[cerulean pivot]

Due to the research it sounds legit
But Is it

Never heard of it tbh

[plain ruin]

bro there are some handdrawn graphs being used to show a cure for malaria from 1987 being posted in a 2022 pdf

i'm planning to check the references but even the results can be made up because these aren't usually tested elsewhere

[plain ruin]

i meant just looking at the references, this is a blaring issue, they're referring to vague summaries of "studies" rather than a link to an actual study

[fresh flower]

Who got kids here

[tiny bluff]

They won't do anything for ONE soldier, of course. But keeping american hostages is a leverage

[fresh flower]

What's Ayush I gotta buy it

[tiny bluff]

They will have more grounds when pushing for ceasefire if America is somewhat up for it

Hanging American soldiers does nothing

But fuel into the right wing propaganda of, "ooh Iranians, religious fanatics, barbarians to non muslims"

Even if that's not true

[plain ruin]

https://ccras.nic.in/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Ayush-64.pdf

@cerulean pivot I couldnt find anything about the 1st study, the first part of their 2nd reference is this💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

bye

[tiny bluff]

Why're you even reading bullshit

[plain ruin]

For fun

Why's the sample size just 3 people😭😭😭😭

[tiny bluff]

😭🙏🏻 Go on

[plain ruin]

And it's just "they got the good response"😭😭😭😭😭😭

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED😭

THEY CHANGED THE LATER YEARS INTO HINDI https://ccras.nic.in/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Audited-Statement-of-Accounts-Annual-Report-2007-08.pdf 😭😭😭😭

and no i'm not hiding anything else about the study its literally just this

[fresh flower]

100% success rate 💀

[plain ruin]

@summer sphinx bro you gotta read these😭😭

[fresh flower]

Wait I just clocked that it's for epilepsy

[plain ruin]

#1 AyurvedaPad Fan😭😭😭

[fresh flower]

These guys are gonna kill someone 💀💀💀

[plain ruin]

bro their treatments for some conditions are just inducing vomiting

like bro what

[plain ruin]

their 2000-2001 paper has enlightened us with more information bro

[sterile fractal]

Nine ropes

Polarized light

[polar shoal]

Hello

Wanna talk

[slender coral]

Wanna talk about what?

[cerulean pivot]

Efficacy : Just trust us bro

[plain ruin]

I found something to talk about other than Islam

"Researchers have ignored the therapeutical benefits of cow dung which is evident from the smaller number of pharmaceutical products in market amidst of its miraculous benefits."

[plain ruin]

its not even a full study

no abstract no methodology no dosages no nothing

[cerulean pivot]

Just pure bs

[plain ruin]

there isn't even references

[plain ruin]

look at the link bro its from the government😭

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[plain ruin]

".nic.in"

[cerulean pivot]

Even bs have some shit
This got nothin

[plain ruin]

"National Informatics Center of India"

[wind zephyr]

Hate

[random crescent]

Did they cite their data?

[plain ruin]

This study is from Congress era

[cerulean pivot]

Y'all gotta take down at any demonstration

[wind zephyr]

Hm so?

[cerulean pivot]

Call it an accident

[plain ruin]

None of their citations talk about human studies

[random crescent]

Ok ill check them out

[plain ruin]

Or actual references to usage on humans

[plain ruin]

https://informaticsjournals.co.in/index.php/jnr/article/view/26653

The original screenshot is from here^

[random crescent]

Seems solid

Also I just found out today

Cows were once hailed as gods?

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[sweet wolf]

some consider them as gods and others as a representation/residence of god

i don't get the logic

[random crescent]

Its pretty dope not gonna lie

[plain ruin]

They are revered

[wind zephyr]

This chat has now shifted it focus from islam XD

[plain ruin]

Not gods afaik

[sweet wolf]

would be if the majority didn't get offended or kill people over eating beef

[sweet wolf]

pretty much, respected rather than worshipped

some also see them as reincarnated human

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[plain ruin]

We gotta ban cow piss and shit being sold for the sake of Bharat

[sweet wolf]

which is why they don't domesticate them because humans are seen as free spirits

[random crescent]

If I had an animal that infinitely produces milk that gives rich manure well im pretty sure I'd hail them as a god too

[sweet wolf]

why you see them on the streets

[wind zephyr]

Who sell cow piss

[plain ruin]

Glad you asked
https://www.amazon.in/Pure-gowmutra-Urine-gowark-gomutra/dp/B0CSZCMNMY

[sweet wolf]

not a god though, they are revered

[wind zephyr]

💀

[sweet wolf]

that's about it

[wind zephyr]

How much profit they earned

[random crescent]

He had that link ready

[plain ruin]

https://www.apollopharmacy.in/otc/sri-sri-tattva-goamruth-arka-500ml

[random crescent]

His hand was hovering over the send button

[sweet wolf]

delete it before carpe buys their entire stock

[wind zephyr]

Hardworking

[plain ruin]

yes bro i was going to send that and say "I know you aint buying this lil bro"

[sweet wolf]

why is a pharmacy selling this

💔

[random crescent]

This guy is decked out just for defending this one topic

[sweet wolf]

my first, mostly see them being sold outside some temples

[plain ruin]

I dont know how to figure that out, will have to check out if we can find out amazon store sales figures

Apollo on the other hand is a big healthcare provider in India so

[random crescent]

I figured if it comes out of the body its not meant to be consumed back right.. its odd

[sweet wolf]

the topic just came up a few hours ago, not something that happens on a daily basis

[sweet wolf]

of course

unless you are an ant farming aphids

[plain ruin]

Bro
Why do they have 20 minute delivery for it

[random crescent]

I feel like this is the most interesting one this month for me

Usually its all religion stuff

[plain ruin]

The Indian government has been promoting this through a Ministry made for studying plants/herbs etc.

There are some successful studies on some herbs for smaller conditions

Now they're talking about curing cancer and AIDS

I've been watching videos about actual medical doctors in india talking about how screwed up the system is

[sweet wolf]

i am more suprised seeing them in capsules

400mg meaning they reduced it??

to its solid ingredients?

[plain ruin]

They must've concentrated that shit bro

[random crescent]

Maybe to not weird out the consumer?

[plain ruin]

Removed all the remaining water

[sweet wolf]

fuck 😭

[random crescent]

I'd probably not enjoy the experience if it was in a form of a plastic bottle

[random crescent]

knowing its cowshit

[plain ruin]

The intended audience knows exactly what it is though

The remaining are going to avoid it anyway

[random crescent]

I guess the benefits are worth it

[sweet wolf]

💀

[random crescent]

Just imagine its apple juice

[plain ruin]

You might as well drink Hydrochloric Acid and say its worth it

[random crescent]

Like yeah ok its cow piss but the benefits it holds.

[sweet wolf]

"as prescribed by physician"

[plain ruin]

the studies are bs too

[cerulean pivot]

have u heard of FMT

[random crescent]

Theres so many loopholes to that like I mean.. they could just ask a random physician and bribe him

"Infact im actually an electrician"

[plain ruin]

the one i linked you
one is a wikipedia page about cows

2 are dead indian government website links

one is about how cow urine is used for fertilizer

the last one is an unfindable one

[random crescent]

Sketchy

[plain ruin]

Yes
That's very highly regulated and customized though
Buying cow piss pills for < 3 dollars is NOT that

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah ik
Just wanted to bring it up as an actual use of poop for drugs

we studied that the last week

[plain ruin]

wdym drugs, like a delivery system?

[sweet wolf]

out of stock

[cerulean pivot]

Capsule

[plain ruin]

damn, i thought it was "inserted"

[cerulean pivot]

Drug is an umbrella term

[plain ruin]

the other ones are in stock

this one is only out of stock in my pin code btw

[sweet wolf]

bro it's so hot here my chocolate turned into a turd inside the wrapper

[slender coral]

Lmfao

[sweet wolf]

you have a guardian angel looking over you

[cerulean pivot]

I once put a chocolate bar in the air fryer
It turned into powder

[slender coral]

Y'know what? Academic institutions in Muslim countries publish such shitty (pun intended) research paper. But instead of talking about the benefits of cows shit, they talk about the benefits and camels piss.

[plain ruin]

bro you should read from here its comedic #1435588566527770635 message

[cerulean pivot]

There's also several ones about the " dipping fly in drink" Hadith

[plain ruin]

they CANNOT compete with India on this and have 20 minute delivery camel piss though 💀💀💀

[slender coral]

Too much text my lizard brain can't process now. I'll read later.

[plain ruin]

this is not just academic institutions, they have a government ministry dedicated to this

[slender coral]

Wait, dedicated to studying cow feces?

[plain ruin]

all sorts of quackery*

[cerulean pivot]

They sell it online dawg

[slender coral]

Wow

[plain ruin]

bro
20 minute delivery

[cerulean pivot]

Could be Someone's birthday present btw

[slender coral]

[plain ruin]

On god I'm sending some to Diaz

[slender coral]

@uncut tiger

[plain ruin]

i'm not kidding

[quasi needle]

this has to be a joke

[slender coral]

Is this a new thing?

[quasi needle]

tell me it’s april fools

[plain ruin]

It's been a few years that they've been selling cow piss in pharmacies

[quasi needle]

india is not real bro

[plain ruin]

10-20 minute delivery for groceries and medicines has been large scale in india since COVID too

[plain ruin]

I am not fucking with you

Shit like this makes me prefer that Simon did not go back

[quasi needle]

i just opened uber for a quick peek

[plain ruin]

https://www.pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=142554&reg=3&lang=2 read

[quasi needle]

nevermind it only gave me a regular pharmacy

at least i can get lotion delivered in 10 minutes

[plain ruin]

@uncut tiger yall should send the nukes atp

[slender coral]

Send one to Egypt too pls while you are at it

[quasi needle]

nuke everything and start again

every country deep down deserves to be nuked

[sweet wolf]

youtube has games now

[plain ruin]

India tops the list

[quasi needle]

bluds 3 years late

[quasi needle]

argentina

[sweet wolf]

could be adblock idk

[plain ruin]

I've seen even more sickening stuff but I dont think I can send any of it here

[quasi needle]

i’ve met an insane amount of disgustingly racist argentinians

nuke any country that hasn’t banned twitter tbh

twitter is the root of all evil

[plain ruin]

they dont emigrate as much as indians do and demand their products in europe and other regions of the world

[uncut tiger]

sri sri tattwa amruth

[plain ruin]

some of the cow piss and urine studies managed to get permissions/patents in the US

[quasi needle]

i open twitter to this

[plain ruin]

He's lowkey right though

[quasi needle]

even from the grave he preaches the truth 🙏

[plain ruin]

A man who lies with a man must be stoned🙏💯✊

[quasi needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/santai-2

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Hi there

Oh hey ashura

[thorny steeple]

how are you doing

I am fine , how about you

[thorny steeple]

I'm doing okay

Why did you name yourself ashura?

[thorny steeple]

It's the name of my favorite animated movie.

Oh i see

A movie about a redemption of a small child who ate human corpses during war in japan.

I haven't seen it yet

[thorny steeple]

Mostly nobody has

[thorny steeple]

I would give it a try

How long have you been using this app?

[thorny steeple]

Pretty long

I started in 2017

2017 ? Damn i just download this app

Or december of 2016 I don't remember well

[thorny steeple]

Oh that's cool

You will get hang of it soon

Haha , i guess so

I just want to improve my English, let's see what happens

[thorny steeple]

I see

Well it gets better with time

You just have to consume more english content plus speak with people

Hmm I know

I used to go on yt lives to speak with native speakers but that's very inconvenient

[thorny steeple]

Oh my, I used to go to yt lives too lol

Had a lot of friends there

Then we grew up

Oh

I made two online friends out there , I dont wanna lose them

[thorny steeple]

people come

And go it's the part of life

Can't agree more

I used to have a lot of friends back in my old school

[thorny steeple]

As in real life or?

In real life

[thorny steeple]

I see I see

Sorry I zoned out

I don't have much friends if I hav. consider people I don't think as of friends that makes them pretty much nonexistant.

[thorny steeple]

No problem lol

Hmm

Why did you download this app ? Any particular reason

[thorny steeple]

Not really I started it to use it as a gaming hub.

Wait my mom is calling me 😂

[thorny steeple]

No worries bro

[summer sphinx]

that would be weed

[thorny steeple]

You previously mentioned going to yt lives , can you tell me the name of the channel if you don't mind telling me

[thorny steeple]

Weed will cause a seizure probably

[thorny steeple]

Oh I went on mostly all of nightcore lives

Just never did rp though

[summer sphinx]

ion think so bro

[thorny steeple]

I see

[plain ruin]

You should probably look up what they are before talking 😭

[pseudo flume]

Molecules might think so

[summer sphinx]

wdym

[plain ruin]

THC would make it worse, CBD may help

[plain ruin]

The plants they are talking about for treating epilepsy... Neither are weed

They mention the plants: #🧠｜serious-chat message

[thorny steeple]

You probably drink lemonade for stomach discomfort, stop troubling your brain with thoughts at this point lmao.

[plain ruin]

That guy is also supposed to be a NEET student by the way

Just thought you'd like to know about your competition

Though you are probably talking to loads of such people

[thorny steeple]

Its okay bro people learn at they grow up

[thorny steeple]

Competition is really bad these days

[pseudo flume]

Neet

[thorny steeple]

Fuhhh

[plain ruin]

Mass production is insane

[thorny steeple]

We still need more doctors

[pseudo flume]

Who's preparing for neet

[thorny steeple]

The population is so huge that ratio is near 1:10,000

[plain ruin]

The doctors should not be busy handling animal excreta while they're at it

[pseudo flume]

Yes, last time I checked indian goverment was making 38k doctors / year

[summer sphinx]

ur the one whose putting his brain cells to work for nothing dw bout me

[pseudo flume]

All those departments are seperate, for modern medicine it's completely diff shi

[plain ruin]

He puts at least half a brain cell more than you into reading

[thorny steeple]

Maybe true

[plain ruin]

No bro, they're actually talking about blood tests and markers in AYUSH nowadays

[summer sphinx]

hop off the d bro

[plain ruin]

They are using them for diagnosis

[summer sphinx]

people barely practice these medicines. they just bag the degree and work in hospitals

[pseudo flume]

Ayush department is completely different, i was getting that department even in my first attempt

[thorny steeple]

We have started many schemes under which we train ayush and nursing graduates to handle patients at peripheral levels

[plain ruin]

There are more and more attemps made to legitamize it with modern medicine

[pseudo flume]

If they're mixing regular MBBS with Ayush department, I'll blast myself

[summer sphinx]

regular mbbs won't get u anything

[plain ruin]

"barely"

[pseudo flume]

Yes, to make money MD is needed

But even MBBS docs are great at saving innocent lives

[thorny steeple]

It's about making ayush better, it's still not at par with what china achieved with it's traditional chinese medicine.

[pseudo flume]

Making Ayush better is what we call modern tested medicine

[summer sphinx]

look up the salaries you'll realise why they barely do. and these research centres are government jobs so yeahh ofc

[summer sphinx]

alot

and the competition for MD MS is insane

[thorny steeple]

Maybe you won't get job or respect in the market doesn't mean this course is bad. You can always opt for govt job and it's pretty much garantee

[pseudo flume]

Are you preparing for NEET?

[plain ruin]

Your "barely" does not matter when it's still a growing industry

[thorny steeple]

It's all about the big jobs and opportunities.

[pseudo flume]

N
You get lots of respect

[summer sphinx]

I'm not saying this course is bad I'm saying practicing it won't get u far

[pseudo flume]

In right place

[summer sphinx]

what is this guy even on about

[summer sphinx]

nah

[fresh flower]

Why's this guy not banned yet

[thorny steeple]

Better wording will be evidence based medicine but yeah without research you shouldn't put to use anything

[plain ruin]

It's still continuing to grow, more and more

[summer sphinx]

ofc it is cause the competition for mbbs is huge so they opt for things like ayush

[pseudo flume]

Yes, eating random alive fish doesn't cure asthema

[summer sphinx]

do u know the fees for ayurveda per year?

its around 8 lakhs or so

5.5 years

[pseudo flume]

New MBBS students barely get 4 lakhs

[plain ruin]

They're using sample sizes of 3 to show efficacy of their 2 plants by the way

[thorny steeple]

How far you can go only depends
Upon you not the course

[pseudo flume]

Ooh it's about cource fee

[summer sphinx]

its about the competition too buddy

[pseudo flume]

Why would you pay nearly 50 lakhs for ayurveda

[summer sphinx]

yes and if talking about salary both of them barely making over 50k in private sectors

[summer sphinx]

could say the same for mbbs bro it's like 20lakhs per year

private uni I'm talking

[plain ruin]

so who cares
don't say "barely" when it's still growing despite the fees and despite the salaries

that's just diverting away from the point that it's a growing problem

[summer sphinx]

even in gov institutes the deposits are insane

[thorny steeple]

Hm I see, that will require further big studies.

[pseudo flume]

Apparently you can do MBBS for 30 lakhs from a good semi private college if you score good enough

[plain ruin]

no scientific study says "they got the good response"

[summer sphinx]

my guy the reason it's growing is because it's a money maker. the people opting for it, the fees earned from it, and then these people practice allopathic meds

[pseudo flume]

Anyway

[plain ruin]

they dont...

[summer sphinx]

even that good enough is hard

[pseudo flume]

India should advertise Ayush med

[summer sphinx]

you'll be surprised buddy

[summer sphinx]

where u from

[plain ruin]

there are even doctors's prescribing bloodletting and making people vommit

[summer sphinx]

state

[pseudo flume]

Let the natural selection do it's work

[pseudo flume]

https://tenor.com/view/mamata-banerjee-bengali-heart-love-mother-gif-1676150509054603830

[plain ruin]

We should do it in the name of Diaz the great

[summer sphinx]

aint no way pretty sure ur state has ayush doctors practicing in allopathic hospitals

[pseudo flume]

Haven't seen any yet

Well they do have a seperate department

In hospitals

[summer sphinx]

ofc u won't why would they show it its illegal to some extent

[fresh flower]

Is bro defending ayurveda

[thorny steeple]

India produces mostly these types of shitty research plus ayush does not get fundings at all, a study like this which require follow up and n number of various other criterias, like hell they will be able to do this. There will alse not be a ethical clearance for the same. It's funny how they probably did this on colleagues or some poor bastard from village or something.

[summer sphinx]

no I'm saying these guys bag the degree and work for modern medicine

[fresh flower]

Fake doctors

[plain ruin]

I saw a page talking about 68 crores of funding...

[fresh flower]

Real doctors prescribe cow dung

[summer sphinx]

the nation runs on it

[pseudo flume]

Because we lack enough doctors

[summer sphinx]

yess

that's why it doesn't matter to the gov or the people

[pseudo flume]

I'd rather choose a ayush doc over no doc

[summer sphinx]

and these guys are cheaper

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-gif-3336263976315355073

One of them is lying

[summer sphinx]

them clinics in villages and stuff are ayush docs practicing allopathy

they even perform surgeries

[plain ruin]

This is not "not getting funding at all"💀💀💀💀

[pseudo flume]

I've only been to gov hospital for extremely critical conditions, so I've only encountered legit docs and surgeons

[pseudo flume]

Blud they got no degree at all

[summer sphinx]

government won't have them it's the private hospital who appoint them as assistants

[thorny steeple]

True enough and rather than govt giving better pay and oppertunities to actual mbbs doctors they give power to prescribe to ayush and nursing graduates. We all have our parts to play and doing what we are not qualified for is really messed up.

[pseudo flume]

Most famous doc of my neighborhood got no degree, he gives steroids n shi

And it works for poor people, i don't appose it

[summer sphinx]

he is probably ayush guy bro trust that's what they do

[summer sphinx]

wait till u find out how gov exploits the gov mbbs students

[plain ruin]

"Ayurvedic doctors practice allopathy"

Meanwhile:

[pseudo flume]

He got no degree, they work in medical shop for some year and start a jhola chap clinic

[summer sphinx]

bro literally @pseudo flume said it too idk what to do with u now

and so did @thorny steeple

this diga just sticks stats up the ahhs

[plain ruin]

The government of india is saying that there are 145 ayush hospitals you [redacted]

put on your glasses bro

[summer sphinx]

ofc there are it's no big deal

[thorny steeple]

Ground reality is that nothing reaches the researchers, in india you get stipend less than what a daily wage labourer earns in a month. The research is either not cleared from ethics department or just not funded at all. Patients only stay with you in such anterograde type of studies if you pay them. Given how these lasts for years the cost in usual us market is not less than 500,000 dollars when then they conduct a research for large group that is more than 30

[plain ruin]

atleast TRY to read?

[summer sphinx]

and they are allowed to practice sum allopathic meds too

[pseudo flume]

I said there are department for ayush and homeopathy in every big goverment hospital and i haven't seen them ever interfere with eachother's work
MBBS docs look at them as subhumans

[summer sphinx]

what r u trying to prove

[plain ruin]

based on what are you saying this? direct contact with AYUSH researchers?

[thorny steeple]

I'm in 3rd year, I know it pretty well

[fresh flower]

He's saying you're studying for years in med school just to end up prescribing 500ml of cow urine

Are you allowing it bro

[summer sphinx]

do u know about the MD MS deposit bro?

[summer sphinx]

gavmutra is peak bro wdym

[plain ruin]

I have proven* that you aren't able to read

[pseudo flume]

Talking about ayush
You can get 1 kg whey protein from PM Jan aushadhi center for ₹1400 (15 USD)

[thorny steeple]

this is the condition in my own college and subsequently of many others I know of personally.

[pseudo flume]

And gate keep this information so we have enough stocks

[summer sphinx]

I'm not smashing my head for things u can't just say clearly

[plain ruin]

Then it cannot be cared to a purpose built AYUSH center, I dont think so

[thorny steeple]

Depends upon the state. But yes

[summer sphinx]

ive never seen it instock

[plain ruin]

I dont have to say it because it's already been typed out💀😭

[summer sphinx]

its like 50lakhs here

[summer sphinx]

ion understand shi

[pseudo flume]

Are you studying Ayush?

[thorny steeple]

ayush is worse off than us 😭 lmao

[plain ruin]

First sensible bro's said in the last 10 minutes @fresh flower

[summer sphinx]

no bro i work for rss

[thorny steeple]

Tbh even private colleges are better than that shit

Atleast you don't have to give bond

[pseudo flume]

There's a great market for Ayush doctors in india btw, don't worry

[summer sphinx]

no bro atleast u get the bond back and aren't left in dept for a degree that barely pays 50k

[summer sphinx]

I'm aware

yall have no clue about the ball knowledge I have it just depends on the person

[plain ruin]

Here in Goa they have dedicated centers
To get to the new Mopa airport, you have to pass by this

[thorny steeple]

Money for 2-7 years of your precious life according to your given state is crazy

[pseudo flume]

@pallid ocean
This blud is studying med in Minecraft's country

[summer sphinx]

i remember traumatising every neet aspirant in ST server

[thorny steeple]

This shit better than actual working govt hospitals no wonder mortality is so high in india

[summer sphinx]

don't forget the previous 20 lakh bond after mbbs and then comes the 50lalkhs

[summer sphinx]

ongg

[thorny steeple]

Put the money in actual hospital

[pseudo flume]

Yes, being doctor is not only about doing complicated heart surgeries, I bet you'll earn more money than oli just by prescribing Gas meds

[summer sphinx]

this guy knows ball

[plain ruin]

You would think that this is somewhere in the Gulf

[fresh flower]

Gonna ask Chika if she can ban him while mods are asleep

[thorny steeple]

I hope when modi gets ill he goes to fucking ayush rather than some aiims

[plain ruin]

PLEASE @glossy ether

[thorny steeple]

And all the politicians have to get treated by ayush only

[plain ruin]

Bro
This shit was around before Modi too

The Ayush ministry has been around since the 90s at the very least

[summer sphinx]

the thing is no one's going to the mbbs doc who charges 500rs entry fees here. they will spend 2000 on ayush docs and then realise they might need the mbbs md guy. and they'll repeat this same thing again later on

[summer sphinx]

yk aiims suck too

[thorny steeple]

Only because of patient burden

[plain ruin]

They should send him to NIMHANS for helping facilitate this shit mate

[summer sphinx]

no it's also cuz of the new practicing docs and it being a gov facility

[thorny steeple]

Staff is something subjective

[summer sphinx]

government hospitals are for experimenting and gaining experience from the poor

[plain ruin]

Don't you have an exam in 10 days and no notes for them you bastard of a future doctor

[summer sphinx]

I'm not allat dumb

but yes i gotta lock in ig

[plain ruin]

Mate you couldn't read a government notification

[thorny steeple]

I don't think that's bad though training should be under guidance or supervision.

[summer sphinx]

most of the things u send is just incomprehensible bs for me bro

[plain ruin]

💀

[summer sphinx]

but the poor get exploited

and the facilities are corrupt

and not good

[thorny steeple]

The point is how govt increase funds for hospitals and hospital staff when india has such prevalance for so many diseases?

Only time govt wakes up is when unicef or who talks about funds

[summer sphinx]

no mbbs doc wants a gov job

[plain ruin]

Its easy

[thorny steeple]

There is always a first time for everything brother.

[plain ruin]

produce more ethanol and sell it as fuel without reducing the price of the fuel volume it's replacing

[summer sphinx]

I'm not against the practice but against the malpractice done in it

[thorny steeple]

No the actual answer would be to fund education screening and faster cure lol

[thorny steeple]

That's still rare.

Let me give you an example, if someone is removing a benign lump from my hand and it's his first surgery is the doctor wrong? If he ended up causing a nerve damage

[plain ruin]

your question is confusing

[thorny steeple]

No because most of surgical complications are the complications of surgery itself and doctors are not liable for it.

[thorny steeple]

Wait a message wasn't send because of my shitty net

[pseudo flume]

2000 on Ayush
That's wild, if med is included it would make sence

[plain ruin]

as long as the patient knows the doctors inexperience of the procedure and consents to it right?

right...?

[thorny steeple]

It's just due to internet these types of news just gets public attention.

[summer sphinx]

yes but the meds will be from his commissioned shop and by 2000 i mean how people will do trial and error and spend money before going to a legitimate doc not 2000 allat once

[summer sphinx]

I'm not talking about doctors I'm talking about the conditions of gov facilities

[thorny steeple]

It's not about inexperience, it's about qualification. A first year resident has qualification for particular surgeries and so on. We don't need consent from patient because it's done by qualified doctors.

[summer sphinx]

the patient doesn't know

[plain ruin]

surgeries are taught on dummies/tests in med school at the very least right?

[summer sphinx]

no on real people

[thorny steeple]

Yeah at first

Also on cadavers in some countries.

[pseudo flume]

Anyway, there's a huge market for Ayush doctors in india
Imagine being self proclaimed Ayush skin specialist
You'd print money

[thorny steeple]

You have to attend such similar studies multiple times.

[plain ruin]

i said at the very least
but thank you for your input

[thorny steeple]

And of course study for it.

[summer sphinx]

the students stay around the surgeries and learn from observation

later on during MD MS they practice on real people under supervision

[pseudo flume]

Do you guys have same syllabus for anatomy and shi? Like homeopathy does

[summer sphinx]

loads and loads

[summer sphinx]

I'm not ayurveda bro

[thorny steeple]

Yeah of course

[plain ruin]

then its fine
a number of procedures a person has done does matter for some surgeries in terms of assuring the patient though

[summer sphinx]

i told u im rss sanatani warrior

[thorny steeple]

We have books

[summer sphinx]

even dentist have the same syllabus and so do physiotherapist bro

[thorny steeple]

It's fine actually the supervisors do have to teach and make you do particular parts of a surgery too.

So you learn in parts.

[plain ruin]

I guess it matters more from the patient's POV, atleast in middle/upper middle class and above

[thorny steeple]

But yes the more is your rates of successful surgeries the more likely for that surgery to go uncomplicated as far as the technique is involved.

[heady galleon]

Hello people

[thorny steeple]

True

[thorny steeple]

Hi there

[fresh flower]

Oh....

I thought you were Muslim

[plain ruin]

Now we should ban Carpe for saying that "Ayush-56" is Weed and that Weed can treat epilepsy

[pseudo flume]

What's your major

[thorny steeple]

If you have money you will prefer an experienced doctor.

[plain ruin]

He managed to shit talk both homeopathy and allopathy in one sentence

[pseudo flume]

Liv 52 my beloved

[thorny steeple]

True

[plain ruin]

Blocking you

[summer sphinx]

larping

[pseudo flume]

Always a yellow coloured username btw

[pseudo flume]

It's good, even for pets bro
Vets prescribe it for cats

[summer sphinx]

i think it could treat most of the things

[plain ruin]

idk bro

[plain ruin]

THC or CBD or both

[summer sphinx]

meth would work too if y'all wanna talk allopathy

[thorny steeple]

Bro?...

[plain ruin]

Even the indian government hasn't legalized those particular amphetamine isomers so I think we're good there

[heady galleon]

Ashura kun

[summer sphinx]

i dont even know what allat is

[thorny steeple]

These shit drugs decrease the threshold for seizures so

[thorny steeple]

O2 kun

[summer sphinx]

u should know when I'm being satire bro 😭🙏

[plain ruin]

... maybe you should do some reading about weed before talking about it

[summer sphinx]

nerd

[pseudo flume]

Sell seaweed under eye cream, aunties will go nuts

[summer sphinx]

https://youtu.be/FSdjvEnyRzk?si=V85A45RPZmb9RY_j

[thorny steeple]

This guy does not has epilepsy

[plain ruin]

It's not about the drug, it's about doctor and patient responsibility (which we won't ever have)
There are some instances of ADHD for example where patients need 100mg of adderall as a sustainable dose for daily living

[thorny steeple]

He's has mental issues

[summer sphinx]

ik bro

[plain ruin]

Again, if you don't know what THC/CBD are, you shouldn't be larping about weed

[summer sphinx]

girl btw

[heady galleon]

Howdy

[summer sphinx]

it works for parkinson too apparently