🧠｜serious-chat

[weary belfry]

well, i think Trump would get them easily if he wanted them

dont you think

[high rapids]

maybe

[fresh flower]

Because Israel ceases to exist without an external threat

Their main existance is contingent on Israel being a safe place for Jews

Saddam is gone, Bashar is gone, Hezbollah is gone, Hamas is gone, you guys are next

[neon sierra]

southeast regions of your country is a part of the greater israel i think

occupied land and it doesnt belong to the jews idk what israel is on abt

[mint parrot]

North is not the part of great Israel but south is the part of it like duhok and zakho and East erbil

[distant epoch]

https://youtu.be/9QXCkMTbrSk
hats off to raj shamami

[fresh flower]

Mfs do anything for eid gifts (I took my shahada for this reason)

[turbid dome]

That's a serious misreading of the fact that it was just as industrialized, with it being deindustrialized after the Brits came, which is entirely different. Also it wasn't unified as Brits sowed division. But yeah the Idea that the British could conquer a more advanced country is insane. Also by just as Industrialized it wasn't like Industrial revolution style, but rather the previous artisanal production methods, meaning it was less efficient.

[neon sierra]

ohh i thought they wanted all of mesopotamia

[mint parrot]

Only sulaimanyah left soo

[high rapids]

@turbid dome Do you like Kanye West

[turbid dome]

nope

[high rapids]

Okay good to know

[lean gazelle]

Naftali Bennett has 0 credibility. He is a zionist. Israel accuses others to escape accountability for war crimes it commits or intends to commit.

[fresh flower]

Still doesn't make sense though, you're telling me a combined force of 300k colonised 180 million slightly less developed people

The numbers aren't adding up in my head

[high rapids]

@weary belfry Can i get permissions to ban people with bad microphones in vc

[turbid dome]

Industrialized meant more that they exported a lot and had local artisinal industries, not at all comparable to european factories. So when Britain comes in and fuels division, it's easy for them. The issue is most people read "industrialized" and think of European levels of industrialization instead of that they had solid exports

[prisma cipher]

Ban yourself.

[high rapids]

good that nobody asked you

[prisma cipher]

My honest reaction to complain like that

[high rapids]

Who cares

[prisma cipher]

Lil stupid sensitive

[high rapids]

Lil child

[fresh flower]

Yes but the Brits didn't have alien technology and rayguns, just simple muskets, I don't get how they sustained a colony of a 1:600 ratio for almost 200 years

[turbid dome]

collaborators. Like the Indian rich people and royals got stuff out of it too

[high rapids]

easy ragebait and now go to bed

[cerulean pivot]

Nobody's like u twin

[fresh flower]

Yes they had like 300k Indian Sepoys employed after a while in British Raj, but to begin with they only had like 70k British soldiers

Would you say that it would be unsustainable if it was just the Brits

[turbid dome]

yes

[high rapids]

its okay

[fresh flower]

Hear me out

Then why is the colonisation of India the white peoples fault

[cerulean pivot]

U were nicer before

[high rapids]

ok

Are you hitting on me

[cerulean pivot]

Idk what you're going through but it doesn't justify your karen behavior

[cerulean pivot]

I wish i can

[fresh flower]

I miss right-wing Denial 💔💔💔

He changed 💔💔💔

[cerulean pivot]

[manic juniper]

At least we went out fighting

All our noble and aristocratic class was replaced by the Swedish one

Indians did the same thing as Latvians and Estonians, their rulers sold out, some even changed ethnicity to fit in

[weary belfry]

May God saves us from this situation
You could even ban me for lagging in vc cuz of dc ban

[fresh flower]

That's what I'm saying bro, if they made the slightest effort to combat the Brits they would've crushed them, they outnumbered them by a massive margin

[slender coral]

LLMs seem to be underestimated at times. They helped me a lot pass classes, they can explain and simplify concepts for students.

[fresh flower]

What juice were the Brits drinking that enabled them to colonise half the world ts makes no sense to me

[manic juniper]

I guess it was easy to do after most of the Indian ruling class was tired of the Mughals, they sold out to the next bidder

[high rapids]

I would never ban you

@weary belfry tbh god is always with me

[fresh flower]

Dude was trying to tell me that it was sticks vs weapon. But how fast could a guy with a musket be able to reload to ward off a ratio of 1:600

[weary belfry]

I smell a lie

[high rapids]

Why should I lie

[brisk eagle]

Mars!!!

[high rapids]

Iraq

[brisk eagle]

Atlatico madrid

[weary belfry]

Im saying this due to our yesterday convos

[high rapids]

idk what you mean

[brisk eagle]

Bro thought you were friends

😭

[high rapids]

bro leave me alone

[weary belfry]

Anyways

Nvm

[high rapids]

I thought why are friends

[brisk eagle]

Are you this soft bro,i literally only sent you 3 messages tf

[high rapids]

We had a couple of conversations, you mean this one where we talked about from which viewing things from different perspectives

[weary belfry]

Nah bro

We already moved this

Im talking about our convo in general chat

[high rapids]

Now I remember

https://tenor.com/view/mika-misono-arius-mod-discord-gif-13933025578271285252

[thorny steeple]

Bruh

Nah

[manic juniper]

They probably had guns too which makes it the more embarrassing

[distant epoch]

ur numbers r wrong. ur ratio is stupid

read this

[manic juniper]

Holy shit they literally did

[distant epoch]

they were collab w small rulers or you u can say small fragmented groups

so that both of em can take advantage of it

[fresh flower]

It simply wouldn't have happened without the support of Indians

[distant epoch]

that's what i said have you read what i sent ?

did i say india was developed?

it was just rich in resources

not developed in terms of weapons and all

[fresh flower]

I didn't say you did, the other guy did, and he blamed the Brits for colonising India when Indians themselves helped the colonisers

[fresh flower]

British Raj is 100% Indians doing

[manic juniper]

Can you imagine how colonialism would've developed had the colonial age taken place after the invention of semiautomatic and automatic weapons

[distant epoch]

they arelady had rivalry amongst each other

[distant epoch]

yep

it is true

[manic juniper]

Literally DOOM or Warhammer 40k scenario

[distant epoch]

do you wanna see the oppression ?

[fresh flower]

You'd be speaking Swedish 100%

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't exist

[distant epoch]

he failed in school most probably

[manic juniper]

Nova Suecia to the East

[fresh flower]

I remember I argued with an Indian in Hindu vc and he told me reservations for women are holding back India because men are smarter and should have access to higher education without hindrance

These guys want 50% of India to not have a job and just sit at home

[distant epoch]

u can't argue with stupid ppl

reservation should be demolished

any kind of reservations

[slender coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1050377578738888765/1425470483746525214/WhatsApp_Video_2025-10-08_at_09.59.17_12cacde3.mp4?ex=69985d57&is=69970bd7&hm=5165d3325eca2a95ac2726b67f3988ea10201620b667fa7e3baec6760f3ca792&

[distant epoch]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X22002169

data is from science.direct

killed 10s of million of people

[thorny steeple]

India is a major emerging power, that's the truth, and it's involved in major conflicts!

[tiny mirage]

@true pilot hey, it has been a long time since i had a friend like you i talked with. I'm sorry for my misjudgement about you. you don't need to forgive me, i'm just ashamed of myself, i shouldn't have jumped to conclusion therefore, i hope you don't think badly of other people just bc of me because i just believe the worst in people. That is my habbit, i'm sorry. I really am. I didn't want to lose an online friend who i quite enjoyed talking to, but i did and that is my lost. I hope you see this somehow. Have a nice life.

[distant epoch]

yea but India is hollow from the inside. We should be growing at a much higher rate but due to fkin corruption we aren’t able to

[fresh flower]

@true pilot can you forgive him bro he has changed and he's no longer the man he used to be

[tiny mirage]

i don't think he will and that is fine, i learned my lesson. it is his choice. I just wanted to say goodbye. It was great meeting a soul that understands you and sees you, but ig that was meant to be for a short time.

[fresh flower]

That's so sad bro 💔

Hurts seeing bros lose a bro

[sick bronze]

Move on brev

[thorny steeple]

Yes, but that's the problem with every country, unfortunately, it's always those in power who dictate the "democratic" rules.

[fresh flower]

Wait that's a woman

@true pilot don't forgive her bro she's gaslighting you

[distant epoch]

🥲

[thorny steeple]

What? Kkkk

[distant epoch]

i mean I feel bad for my own people

[cerulean pivot]

Let's hope that we never have an ex like her in the future

[distant epoch]

population & corruption

[true pilot]

lmaoooooooooo

[cerulean pivot]

India?

[distant epoch]

yep

[cerulean pivot]

India deserves better people

[distant epoch]

deserve literate politicians

[fresh flower]

Me

I'd make India so great

Akhand Bharat? Only I can do it

[true pilot]

How would you do it

[fresh flower]

Pakistan issue:

• Sell them Bihar in return for no military presence near Kashmir
  Or
• Buy Gripen jets from Sweden to destroy Pakistan

Caste system:

• Annex Bangladesh and unite all Indians into hating a common enemy

Economy:

• Import more Jews

Education:

• Make even more reservations for less affluent people

This would 100% solve all Indias problems

[neon sierra]

@gusty fox where are you from

[high raven]

Morocco

[neon sierra]

fr?

[true pilot]

Give this man power right now

[neon sierra]

hes algerian

[high raven]

Makes sense, it was either that or Moroccan, those are the only Mouads

[neon sierra]

I see

[fresh flower]

Which one is worse

[pseudo flume]

One with stronger football team

[mint parrot]

He said Algeria

[fresh flower]

Are you fasting for Ramadan

[high raven]

Mashallah

[pseudo flume]

No, I'm just pretending

[fierce fox]

What happened to India people guys, sorry but don't know about this

[brisk eagle]

Hello!

[fierce fox]

Hello are online people in this room chat?

[uncut tiger]

Ramadan Mubarak

[slender coral]

Hi

[slender coral]

Idk either dude. World is big.

[fierce fox]

Hi mate where you from

[slender coral]

Egypt

What about ya?

[fierce fox]

Yeah but people often talk about this so i just want know

[fierce fox]

I'm from Indonesia

[slender coral]

I guess it's kind of a big thing because both countries have nukes and get involved in a lot of conflicts. If they go to war, they'd destroy a big portion of our planet.

The conflict seem to be mainly religious. Muslims ruled over India and suppressed Hindus for centuries, then came the Brits with their colonialism which a lot of people say deepened problems between Hindus and Muslims. When the Brits left, the country got split to Pakistan and India, both sides massacred each other. It seems to all revolve around that.
Also, India since 2014 seem to be under the control of some crazy conservative Hindu fellas, which has been causing minorities to suffer.

[fierce fox]

Right if this happened i have Faith Will be scared because i didn't imagine impact to the world

[turbid dome]

The other thing is that it's not even clear that the formation of Pakistan was popular among Muslims at the time, it seems to have grown in popularity since the creation of Pakistan but it seems like Pakistan was created by Brits to keep the subcontinent divided and serve as a western outpost.

[icy gull]

Hello chat!

[uncut tiger]

Seems like america was created to harbor pdophilic fantasy islands

[wind zephyr]

Better than previous government

[slender coral]

Even Christians have been facing attacks.

[wind zephyr]

Oh

We will with them

[slender coral]

And bro

Are you saying that we shouldn't care about victims if they are Muslim?

[wind zephyr]

Small fight happen all over time

[slender coral]

Why?

Cowardly Hindutva mf

[wind zephyr]

Why we care about them

[wind zephyr]

Hm?

[slender coral]

Why not? Aren't they human beings?

These Hindutva monkeys, dude.

[wind zephyr]

They think we are humans?

[wind zephyr]

Whatever bro

[wind zephyr]

It's so small

[wind zephyr]

We both are same

[slender coral]

Your people have a very nice reputation of sexual violence and abuse.

[wind zephyr]

Oh

[slender coral]

If you want a collective judgement, then yes you are evil. It's silly of course, but it's right using your stupid mindset. If someone has your fascist mindset, and is looking from outside, they'd label you not humans just like how you do with Muslims. But what can I say, you are a biased fascist, just like the rest of them.

[wind zephyr]

Leave it, I don't know what to say

[slender coral]

You certainly don't

[sweet wolf]

It was, we were coexisting for many years before that

It's a constant exchange of killings and plays that provoke each other

[slender coral]

Maybe the Brits made the issue worse, but I don't think the Islamic imperialism in India was angelic before the British colonialism.

How so?

Idk bro, I started to think you aren't trustworthy.

[wind zephyr]

Don't ask me anything,I just give u my opinions

[slender coral]

Of course you don't have historical knowledge, what was I expecting from a Hindu fascist.

[wind zephyr]

I know enough

But i don't think I can debate with those knowledge

[slender coral]

Sure buddy

[wary plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

@wind zephyr

[wind zephyr]

What

[wary plover]

I know you pinged me but I can’t prove it

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[wind zephyr]

Ok

[feral river]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EaWeLD941go?si=QkXMknQWYBi2hDmh

That’s what I’m saying, Jeffery Epstein wasn’t just a child sex offender

He’s the core link of providing luxury services to rich class of people

[manic juniper]

It wasn't much worse than the alternative but their last major ruler bankrupted the empire and was excessively warmongering

[plain ruin]

It depends on the individual ruler, some of them were nicer like Akbar, some of them were insanely bad for locals like Aurangzeb

Aurangzeb is incomparable to the British though, they took assets out of the country, made mass forced labour populations, excessive unchecked factories, they are the reason slums exist as well, not to mention dehumanisation and using the Indian subcontinent to fight the world wars, while starving the people and not paying them
There was also the opium issues, millions of households (not just people) were producing opium forcefully for the British

Arguably if any of these were happening during the Mughal period, the numbers would be less than 10% of what the brits did

[plain ruin]

He's a straight up weirdo dawg, he knows what he's saying, why do you think he deletes his shit 💀

And people forget that before the Mughals, the Indian subcontinent was a bunch of Kingdoms that always fought each other

[turbid dome]

Oh did sheen come in?

[plain ruin]

Nah, the hindutva guy

[turbid dome]

Oh

[plain ruin]

Sheen was here a week ago or so

[plain ruin]

Sheen is active, seems like #🧠｜serious-chat message

[turbid dome]

9 hours and not yet deleted , very impressive

[plain ruin]

He's got some messages not deleted for a week

💀💀💀

[turbid dome]

Wow

That’s insane for sheen standards

[slender coral]

I see.

[plain ruin]

Most important thing is #🧠｜serious-chat message

[slender coral]

Mf said he doesn't consider Muslims to be human.

[plain ruin]

They say "India never invaded other countries"
Yeah because India was a bunch of Kingdoms invading each other 💀

[slender coral]

He said before that he is atheist, I really hate it when non-religious people lick religious people boots, especially when the religious people are fascists.

[plain ruin]

Idk why he thinks deleting his messages would prevent him from anything

[plain ruin]

Him saying he's atheist is like saying Nobu is Muslim

[slender coral]

Because he is stupid I guess.
I generally stopped reporting people because the mods get bothered by it apparently.

[plain ruin]

More and more studies about AI psychosis

Reminds me of 251...

[plain ruin]

No one is paid

Or driven for that matter

[slender coral]

Wdym?

[plain ruin]

Mods nowadays aren't really caring enough about these dudes

[turbid dome]

His brief Edating attempts were awesome too 😭

[plain ruin]

😭

[feral river]

https://x.com/idfmaga/status/2024329185540686078?s=46

Israeli Elegance (@IDFMAGA)

Do you support Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu 🇮🇱?

Simple question

X · Feb 19, 2026, 3:44 AM

Hail Benjamin Netanyahu

[distant epoch]

If you read the history of rajasthan you will learn about the Islamic invasions. During the invasions there were brutal acts committed including the graping of women because of this especially in rajasthan women performed Jauhar. When a Hindu ruler and his people went to war, they knew they were never going to come back, as he fought with the determination to defeat the invaders. The women were aware of what could happen if their husbands were killed and the kingdom fell. To avoid capture and possible assault, some women chose to perform Jauhar in which they collectively entered a fire to end their lives

even at the time of akbar's regime too

women did self immolation

and he did execution of thousand's of people

[slender coral]

I see

Damn, that's incredibly disturbing

[feral river]

It’s quite rampant and regular that in ancient and old times once an army is about to conquer a place the first thing they are gonna do is rpe, steal, plunder, and kill mens

[slender coral]

I wish such thing brought to light more often.

[distant epoch]

yup

[uncut tiger]

I'd call em Turkic invaders instead of Islamic

[feral river]

It’s almost a common thing that everyone would do no matter where they are

[distant epoch]

it was common in ancient times but it still happens

[slender coral]

@distant epoch ignore the troll

[feral river]

In Chinese history it is even more rampant that we literally eliminated some groups out of the map completely

[distant epoch]

hahah ik

[feral river]

And the rest that survives, were either escaped or assimilated

Like the turks are escaped from the Xinjiang and they resettled in Turkey region

[plain ruin]

It's not exactly a wrong statement, by Islamic standards

Idk about these invasions, but the Mughals were notorious for drinking and even homosexual activities and marriages (or at a point very close to marriages), rhetoric around the Mughals in muslim communities say that they weren't "muslim" for this reason

Idk about these other invasions in particular since it doesn't mention whether the armies were Mughals though, that article says "Muslims"

[slender coral]

Nothing really in Islam prohibits sex slavery and expansionism, that's the thing.

[plain ruin]

Whether they were criticized for not being "Islamic" during that time period was unknown

[plain ruin]

I think the main point he's trying to make is that "They're not muslims because of their other behaviours" which has some level of truth

Even though I'd still say those are more considered as "sins"

[slender coral]

Islamic invasions in India started before the Mughuls.

[slender coral]

It comes across as a distraction.

This legacy is seen with pride today by many Muslims.

They of course exclude bad parts.

But the idea of expansion is something they take pride in.

[plain ruin]

Yes, I'm know of their existence but they are barely talked about

[plain ruin]

Yeah atleast the commonfolk

[distant epoch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/flame-fire-23

[plain ruin]

They're still very benign compared to the hindutva, the hindutva are now saying "Return home" (Meaning return to hinduism) on national TV

[distant epoch]

even my ancestors were from rajasthan but the moved to uttrakhand ( mountains near north east)

and then created a dynasty

katyuri dynasty

[plain ruin]

Sounds familiar

[distant epoch]

yep they fought with the islamic invaders & gorkhas

but eventually they also got defeated by the britishers when they collab with the gorkhas

[slender coral]

@distant epoch I wonder whether or not you reject Hindutva

[distant epoch]

i think it's a political view

and i don't have any opinion abt it

[slender coral]

I saw all kinds of crazy things from them over the years

[distant epoch]

tbh most of the indian politicians care about their position but not the people

[distant epoch]

hindutva and gazwa e hind

ppl r regarded

[slender coral]

Both seem to me like symptoms of the same illness.

[pseudo flume]

Both are same, Hindutva gang just have better reach, funding and stupid dressing sense out of all fascists

[turbid dome]

It's very weird to me that this is common in religion. Instead of admitting someone who shares your religion does bad things and calling it a sin, just automatically excommunicate them

Seems much more honest to just say they sinned than to say they aren't of your religion when they clearly believe in it

[slender coral]

They are generally prone to exclude each other

I see different Muslim branches and sects do this often. The accusation of heresy has always been around.

[plain ruin]

"We are the real good ones"

Political reframing

[fallow shard]

Sins are just mistakes but w different name

[turbid dome]

Yup

Except sometimes they’re not mistakes

But go against religious doctrine

[fallow shard]

There's perfect word for those ✨threat's✨

"you don't belive in me, you're going to hell"

[turbid dome]

Yayyyyy

[slender coral]

If you are a woman, I don't think Islamic heaven is much fun.

[fallow shard]

Well too bad bcs there aren't better options

Except ⚛️

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[slender coral]

Actually, the eastern idea of rebirth with better status for those who lived good lives is more fair and interesting.

[brazen comet]

Fairness and Interest are some of the most objectively subjective factors you could have chosen to confidently assert as facts, good work.

[slender coral]

It sucks that death will be the end, and that it's often not meaningful nor comfortable. Muslims talk about that often as a way to try to convince you that their idea for the afterlife is good, but they ignore how ridiculously weird it is.

[plain ruin]

The reverse is used to justify wrong though, "You are poor so you must've been evil in your previous life"

[slender coral]

What factors do you choose?

[brazen comet]

You don't have to worry, those kinds of ideas are dying and have been dying for a while. The new world is very sciency.

[slender coral]

Doesn't it imply that everyone one was at times in a good place, and at times in a bad place?

[plain ruin]

Fairness and interest are objective...? Oh dear

[brazen comet]

: ) read the thing

[fallow shard]

Who actually wants rebirth😭 man I don't need second round just to pay more taxes

[brazen comet]

#serious-chat

[fallow shard]

It's still in topic. I just pointed out that it's pretty stupid concept

[slender coral]

Life is bigger than just paying taxes I guess.

[brazen comet]

How well are the cultures that subscribe to those ideas doing compared to cultures that prescribe to ideas that are different and coincidentally completely opposed to those ideas

[plain ruin]

The problem is that it just doesn't apply to the real world
Richer/higher status people kept wealth because they were born into good families
It was used as a means to say "you're poor because you deserve it" to people just born with bad circumstances/into families who were cheated/stolen/oppressed

The implication may exist but in practice it's meaningless

[fallow shard]

Wouldn't life's value lose completely if everyone gets second attempt

[plain ruin]

"We treat you like this because of something in your alleged previous life"

[brazen comet]

Not really, I would choose this life every single time (and mind you I have like at least 5 more decades in the tank) it would be offered to me for rebirth. Not a stupid thing. I understand why the average person would find it hard to think about though.

[slender coral]

Wellness is an objectively subjective factor as well.

[plain ruin]

Hopefully no one is photosensitive.

[slender coral]

We got nothing but to wish

[brazen comet]

Not as objectively subjective as fairness. Your opinion of what's fair can be whatever, but how well a group of human beings are doing regardless of their opinions is quite a measurable thing, even if you find that hard to believe.

Humans are, after all, predictable. Not as predictable as the average wild animal, but predictable.

[brazen comet]

Sure, let's see how that line of thinking turns out. Always curious. I beleive everybody should do exactly what they think is right, instead of pretending. Natural selection works faster when people are honest.

[fallow shard]

"average person" comes off as really selfishly... But yea the concept is questionable still. If you're born poor you've still chance to improve your life. If you blame it on life you assumably already lived, you're just lazy

[brazen comet]

I don't get the last bit, but I wasn't trying to sound selfish with the average human remark. Most humans, are like, (scientifically observed) wired to not think about the end of their life as much as possible. Or at least pretend that there is one, I mean a life after they're dead. So, yeah. The average human does have a hard time thinking about death in detail.

[slender coral]

Wellness is still defined differently from person to person. You are obviously putting my statement under more scrutiny than yours.

[analog wasp]

y'all sound like a 40 yr old unc

[plain ruin]

Atleast we're not morons that send flashing imagery that can potentially induce seizures in a public chatroom

[analog wasp]

ignores

[slender coral]

The thing is, your action would still be affecting you and humanity at large including people around you of course. I think it gives your actions more meaning because they'd echo more in your cycle of life and deaths, and in other's cycles as well.

[brazen comet]

No actually, I put my own statements under far more scrutiny, because I have no incentive in correcting you since I gain no pleasure from it, but I do gain pleasure from being objectively correct. I stated that the measure of fairness can heavily differ (one might believe anybody with "x" train deserves to die, and others might think that that is fair), but how an outfit of human beings (the species, homo sapiens) is "doing" based on their biology and fundamental drives and other factors, and also modern factors in the post-industrial age, such as GDP, can really help analysts figure out wellness factors, which are of course made up, duh, everything is made up and is a result of our senses, but anybody can reasonably assert that it is much easier to objectively determine (through science) how well a human-group is doing than comparing what is objectively fairer (unless of course it is an argument geared from the start to be about which idea/religion/ethic school is "fairer", the whole discussion can revolve around what the word fair even means) but yeah

not train, trait*

[plain ruin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/emoticon-holy-moly-qMeAAiwiq5Oi1sqZDu

[brazen comet]

I accidentally revealed some personal information here but whatever.

this is fun

[fallow shard]

Okay fair. Death is something hard to think about. Where do you even start processing it? Usual questions like what comes after and where do we go are just speculations. Meanwhile I don't agree with religions, I'm jealous of religious people who finds comfort in their religion and how it helps them to deal w death. I'm not scared of dying, I'm more of "what if that and this are right".

[brazen comet]

Religion is largely a default in human psychology. If you left a group of say 100 people on an island and they had no memory at all, of anything human, cultural and so, they WOULD develop religion, that's a guarantee.

[fallow shard]

Yea makes sense

[brazen comet]

Well, a near-guarantee.

If you are going to abandon religion or God you really, really should be making that choice voluntarily as a result of a long chain of thoughts (obviously there's more to it) rather than after watching a YouTube debate.

[fallow shard]

It can be hard thing to realise that your religion might not be true. It will take time certainly but people should be more open to new thoughts. There's just too many preventive things to just change for example fear of being wrong, scared of what comes after death, family etc

[slender coral]

You say you "have no incentive in correcting you since I gain no pleasure from it" and immediately say you "do gain pleasure from being objectively correct" These conflict. Wanting to be objectively correct is an incentive to correct errors (in others or yourself). Also "incentive" and "pleasure" are not the same thing. Either admit the incentive or drop the contradictory clause.
And, Idk bro you dropped on the conversation out of nowhere and started scrutinizing the way I used fairness and interest when you are aware that it's another conversation to be had, but instead starting from there you asserted that they are the most objectively subjective factors.
I mean, I can understand that being said about interest, but I said what I said in a casual context not in a philosophical forum or something 😭

[brazen comet]

Yeah I mean even though we've gotten quite far, it hasn't changed the inherent evolutionary mechanisms within us. We're still going to be afraid to do anything that challenges "the group" because we associate "the group" with our survival. Largely, understanding these things helps a person break free from their basal instincts and observe what truly matters, and to understand what they are as well. Truly understand what they are.

[turbid dome]

“Also you don’t need upwards social mobility because that’s what the next life is for, until you reach enlightenment”

[brazen comet]

This is my second day on the server (active) and I decided to say the first thing that popped into my mind 🤷‍♂️

[brazen comet]

also bro your strongest argument is about what gives me pleasure. lowkey.

[analog wasp]

[slender coral]

I'm glad to have you around actually, you sound like an intelligent guy (I hope you are).
Post here more often because often the channel is crowded with brain rot or casual conversations.

Btw, what do you think about morality?

[crude dagger]

Mango is the best fruit no glaze . 😌

[slender coral]

Right when I mentioned brain rot, ok.

[crude dagger]

👩‍🎤 always let them know your next move 🤟

[brazen comet]

same as most other things surrounding human action. Firstly, we are almost guaranteed to have different, wild codes for morality. that's evolution at work. Secondly, it's also guaranteed that the best code, given the context of it's existence, will spread.
There's a reason why historians shy away from interpreting history from a modern ethical lense. Because the environment changes. And nature forces you to adapt. This is the low level morality explanation for humans.
Speaking at a larger level, I mean, it kind of gets self evident what the correct code is. that's all I'll say.

[feral river]

https://x.com/lizarosen0000/status/2024596702737682644?s=46

Liza Rosen (@LizaRosen0000)

X · Feb 19, 2026, 9:27 PM

Hail State of Israel 🇮🇱

[pale estuary]

You can not be serious this the first post i see when i open

[pale estuary]

You live in blood land with blood debts
The clock ticks, zionism is an actively abrasive pogram.

[sturdy mango]

[sturdy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-to-a-wall-gif-11114435700592428939

[pale estuary]

Us presidents when the western wall

[uncut tiger]

Will my fast break if I say shabbat shalom today

[trim veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/pluh-veilbound-gif-4315180366045476816

[pseudo flume]

Technically shabbat will start after Iftar

[woven quail]

small mind in a large body

[stone cloak]

wtf you doing here

[sturdy mango]

I was always here

[sturdy mango]

Gay

[stone cloak]

damn, horsey have changed, horsey no longer a horsey

[sturdy mango]

Yez

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/haikyuu-anime-silly-dance-hinata-gif-17964997

[stone cloak]

RIP i will you my dear horsey

[lilac iron]

....

[high raven]

Two rakat of Tawbah for that comment

[fierce abyss]

💯

[lilac iron]

..

[dusk ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/cutecat-cute-catsandwich-sandwich-cat-gif-17513465690606335133

[feral river]

LMFAO that's the reality

[feral river]

Zionism program is justified and divine driven by enormous dedicated Zionists

and they already achieved some of the goal

Zionism are welcoming everyone regardless of their ethnicity, status, race, gender or religious allegiance to contribute to this giant goal of making the holy land under control of the holy State of Israel

[fresh flower]

Same guy who says "Religion is piece of shit"

Meinkraft is NEVER consistent 💀

[shell lily]

Rule 01: Outrage as many ppl as possible regardless of the consistency or truth of the allegations

[feral river]

there's no Palestine

[feral river]

Zionism is not a religion, it is an ideology

I'm 100% consistent with my arguments

there's no Palestine

Palestine is a historical region that refers to a province of Ottoman empire

or refers to the British rule of Palestine mandate

saying something divine does not mean that I promote religion movements

[fresh flower]

It does

[feral river]

it is not a country and it does not exist

[fresh flower]

You're religious 🙏🏻

[toxic lake]

?def divine

[cursive bobcat]

Word: divine

Definition 1 (adjective): emanating from God
Definition 2 (adjective): appropriate to or befitting a god
Definition 3 (adjective): being of such surpassing excellence as to suggest inspiration by the gods

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by tomato_supreme

[feral river]

I'm really not

[toxic lake]

God is not religious now?

[feral river]

I'm stating a fact that they would correlate this with religious struggle of Judaism or something but that does not mean that I promote that crap

you can't say that I personally think religion is a shit but refuse to recognize the existence

[fresh flower]

You do

You support zionism.
You just said zionism is divine driven

You support a religious movement

Therefore you're religious

[lilac iron]

[feral river]

I already proved it 1000 times

[feral river]

it was divine driven but not by me

I never correlate these between myself

[fresh flower]

Doesn't matter, you support it so you accept its existance

This is like someone supporting an Islamic Jihad but saying "Uhh I don't believe in it"

[feral river]

why tf you have to believe in it to support it ?

I support it because I earn fucking tons of profit

what bro who would believe that crap

[fresh flower]

Yes

You believe that it will increase your profits

[feral river]

I believe in money, I believe in power, and Zionism movement represent the power of the IDF and the will of the nation of the State of Israel

[fresh flower]

Could just say that btw

[feral river]

you don't say what you would say in propaganda don't you ?

[fresh flower]

The "Greater Israel" and all that stuff looks dumb

[feral river]

not really

[fresh flower]

For example I only support Palestine because I don't want their immigrants in my country

[feral river]

then why don't you support to deport them back to Israel ?

[toxic lake]

How does Zionism related to profit?
I'm slow here.

[feral river]

and Palestine does not exist, in reality

no entity that could represent Palestine hold effective control over the territory it claimed

therefore it does not exist

it is but only represent Hamas

Hamas does not represent Palestine

[gloomy frost]

Interesting.

[toxic lake]

Wait does it mean there is no China only CCP?

[fresh flower]

It won't change anything, the next generation will be migrants too

[toxic lake]

If you go that route

[feral river]

there is China because CCP represent as the legitimate ruling party of China

[fresh flower]

Only solution to Palestine/Israel stuff is making Jerusalem Christian

[feral river]

you better start to support IDF really quick

[fresh flower]

I can't

Sweden has had beef with Israel for decades

[feral river]

I'm not a CCP member

none of my business

do you want peace ? I don't want peace

there's no war, there's no profit

yeah

on this issue yes

[fresh flower]

No, I want that whole region to become Christian, it's the only solution

[toxic lake]

peace is better for business...
Are you for real?

[fresh flower]

Jews and Muslims cannot behave

[feral river]

I never agree everything that CCP does lmfao

[slender coral]

Should we move to open-source software in response to growing corps greed and how they are trying to destroy our privacy and put an to online anonymity?

[feral river]

I'm doing an investment in both American and Israeli military industry

[slender coral]

@fresh flower@toxic lake@thorny steeple why are y'all taking Minecraft seriously?

[feral river]

what do you think

[fresh flower]

He's being honest

[slender coral]

I'm aware but, isn't open-source safer?

[fresh flower]

He just admitted that he only supports them for financial gains

[toxic lake]

Github is owned by Microsoft🥀

[feral river]

exactly

if they can't earn money for me why the heck I would support them

[fresh flower]

Nothing wrong with that btw

[feral river]

for personal preference it was justified for me to support them

I support the powerful side, no matter what

🇷🇺 🇮🇱

[fresh flower]

Russia isn't powerful 💀

Israel could colonise them

[feral river]

they never do that

lmfao CCP isn't doing in that way

irrelevant to the subject

[toxic lake]

It's the most popular so, a lot of open source codes are based in there.

[fresh flower]

Russia is struggling against Ukrainian farmers with 2 decades old donated weapons. If Finland invaded Russia rn they'd have completely control in 2 weeks

[slender coral]

Russia is miserable

It's unfortunate they'll probably win the war because of European cowardice and American stupidity.

[fresh flower]

Isfrun and Duck themselves could march into Moscow

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/war-gif-21975375

[fresh flower]

First part makes no sense why give them weapons they can't use

[slender coral]

Pov: @fallow shard marching to Moscow.

[fresh flower]

They'll also run out of people soon, they need to call in the over a million men hiding in Europe

[feral river]

lmfao

[slender coral]

Brother, he doesn't believe in morality to begin with unless it's enforced or something 😭

[toxic lake]

Even for his goal, maximising profit, he alienates so many potential allies.

[slender coral]

He seems to be mostly trolling here often too, so just ignore him.

[toxic lake]

What is he thinking?

[buoyant kiln]

sorry but if the speech is free why is there a cost to it

huh

[toxic lake]

?def gratis

[cursive bobcat]

Word: gratis

Definition 1 (adverb): without payment
Definition 2 (adjective): costing nothing

Definition requested by tomato_supreme

[slender coral]

Chats go up and things disappear anyway. Don't take it to seriously especially when people are ignoring the person. That guy isn't seen as an intellectual here or something.

If someone does engage with him and is becoming convinced of some of the bs he says, which I think wouldn't happen anyway, I guess there you can intervene. But even that intervention would be better to be engagement with the person changing their mind, not the femboy CCP supporter.

[buoyant kiln]

is the person who tries explaining their already confusing statement to someone using more complicated words the one with the brain in this situation?

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-stare-yuji-itadori-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-yuji-stare-meme-gif-2566228405341525362

[buoyant kiln]

it took me a time to frame that

[toxic lake]

Fair reaction.

He doesn't know what does free mean in this context.
Proceed to use French jargon to explain it.

That will help him for sure.

[high raven]

Latin

"Gratis" means free in Swedish/Norwegian

[buoyant kiln]

il ne parle pas en francais mais il parle en latin.

👍

hola

[toxic lake]

huh Latin is still in used, huh?
I thought it's dead.

[buoyant kiln]

i have seen it used sometimes in words like quid pro quo from the tv show

suits

latin is use for naming animals and plants

[toxic lake]

Ok

[slender coral]

Bonjour gentlemen

[buoyant kiln]

like from the coyote and roadrunner show they name them in latin in start

[fallow shard]

WHAT

Thing

1. I'm freed from reservists
2. I don't like pink that much

[slender coral]

Pink is so cute

[buoyant kiln]

i agree i saw barbie

[high raven]

What did Minecraft do now

[buoyant kiln]

hi sorry but why are you speaking all this

talking all this

[slender coral]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DU93HK8E9ZI/?igsh=aWVwbzZoNjdraWZl

[buoyant kiln]

how do i get higher role i think my english is good enough to move there

[feral river]

do you know what I'm thinking when you are saying this to me

I think everybody knows me would know what I would say typically to respond with such word

[fresh flower]

Don't listen to them

You're very strong for 165cm

They're just jealous

[feral river]

🤣

[fresh flower]

@slender coral

Converting to Christianity is a crime in Egypt?💀

[plain ruin]

More likely what he was "punished" for is "leaving Islam"

[slender coral]

I don't think so. Leaving Islam generally is not a crime, but they arbitrarily detain people over such things.

[plain ruin]

Some of the times they detain/criminalise it by saying "These people are causing disturbances in society"

[slender coral]

Converting to Christianity too is not a crime

[plain ruin]

And they use that as a means to persecute, iirc

[fresh flower]

Bros getting Salwan Momika'd

[slender coral]

But only conversions that the Egyptian state and society accept are ones from Christianity to Islam. Unfortunately, some Christian women are kidnapped and forced to convert by some Muslim men too, and there's no way back after that.

[plain ruin]

@Abdul251

Oh wait...

[thorny steeple]

I have a question, are u a christian yourself?

if yes, then I would say your statement isn't valid!

[fresh flower]

What💀

[sturdy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/osman-bey-eyvallah-osman-gazi-kuruluşosman-teşkurler-gif-27371133

Whatz going on

[fresh flower]

It is valid

[sturdy mango]

@plain ruin u got a lot of work to do now

[fresh flower]

It only counts as 50% valid if he was a woman

[thorny steeple]

He works?

[thorny steeple]

give solid Proofs

[sturdy mango]

In server 😀

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/patata-pooping-gif-9379327

it could be their are making it up to create assumptions on others

[slender coral]

Boring ass propaganda series

[sturdy mango]

Okay bro

[slender coral]

I'm non-religious, but I live in Egypt.

[thorny steeple]

okay, have u seen that yourself

Yes daddy

or heard it from someone else

[slender coral]

Seen it personally, no. But you don't need to see things by yourself to know it's happening. We know Nazis did horrible shit although we didn't see it with our own eyes in real-time.

I'm Egyptian and I'm mostly well aware of how our culture works, I believe it's a result of being a middle class person.

[thorny steeple]

how we know it maybe we read that in history books or old newspaper, but it doesn't mean everything is true some can be wrong in different scenarios. and in your case what said said means to me you r trying to blame muslims

[slender coral]

We know because such events are extensively documented by parties that have no interest to lie.
Add to that, as I said, I'm Egyptian and I know my country. I spent some times in the streets and I know how much a lot of Egyptian Muslims despise Christians.

[fresh flower]

You need another woman to collaborate this, your witness is only worth 50%

[slender coral]

And interestingly, Christians are more tolerated than other religious groups

Muslim countries have this gimmick of barely tolerating one religious minority legally and socially

For Egypt, it's only Christians. The rest are seen as deserving no rights.

[slender coral]

lmfao

[thorny steeple]

Hm

[thorny steeple]

I was just typing to justify that facts he said

[slender coral]

@fresh flower Copts are often seen like how conservatives in the west see Jews. People say they run the country secretly and do perverted stuff in churches and kidnap and kill Muslims and all of that baggage

[fresh flower]

No you accused him of blaming Muslims. According to Sharia you need another woman to verify your witness, yours alone is worth half that of a mans

[thorny steeple]

as you said u are Egyptian, do u have a trend to hate your own country, because I was trying to another person, u are the second, and he sounded like a traitor to me and was saying so many bad things, like Egypt is the worst county and stuff like that

[manic juniper]

Hating your own country isn't a bad thing

[fresh flower]

I wouldn't be surprised tbh, Christian miniorities are powerful everywhere, like India, Jordan, and other places

[thorny steeple]

I did, because I haven't heard anybody say like that.
who knows maybe he is saying it according to his own circumstances

[fresh flower]

What if you haven't heard it because atheists are scared of repercussions

It's like Saudi Arabia saying there are no gays in Saudi Arabia

They're just closeted

[slender coral]

Minorities always have a reputation for running everything in secret lol

[slender coral]

Shall one glaze the country they are born in even when it does something wrong?

Also, I instinctively love Egypt, but Egyptian Muslims disown people like me just for not believing in a religion or leaving Islam so the mfs started it actually.

Some of them even reject Copts. Copts are barely seen as equals to Muslims in Egypt.

Of course things are different depending on socioeconomic situation of each area in the country, but generally speaking I'd say Copts are barely tolerated by middle class and poor Egyptians.

[feral river]

you are using a fucked weak asf of the fucking weak logic of "you are going to give a fuck about the weak while you become powerful" which is fucked and fucked

I might not be a very fucking stronger person right now, but you are on the fucking weak class

[buoyant kiln]

you go girl

[feral river]

just by that, you deserve to be a part of the weak permanently because you do not possess the mind of staying powerful

[gusty fox]

Is this a psychotherapy session?

[buoyant kiln]

okay shakespeare

does failure not befall anyone

so you're telling me your dad told you all this and you decided to preach on discord

fair enough

[surreal oak]

Is this where we learn English

[gusty fox]

No, this is where you learn psychology

[buoyant kiln]

Sure! Here’s the paragraph you asked for:

I believe failure plays a crucial role in growth and learning. Here's a brief reflection on why it's essential:

Failure is essential because it teaches valuable lessons that success alone cannot. It challenges us to grow, adapt, and improve by revealing our weaknesses and pushing us outside our comfort zones. Each failure provides insight into what doesn’t work, making future attempts more informed and resilient. Without failure, progress would stagnate, and growth would be limited.

[crystal kayak]

Dm

[surreal oak]

I have a crush on this guy who is American but I don’t speak English very well. How do I confess my feelings whim

[fresh flower]

💀💀💀💀

Bro didn't even edit it I respect it

[buoyant kiln]

english is tough

i am not trainslating all this

[surreal oak]

What do I say to this man

[gusty fox]

Swear that you are not ai

[surreal oak]

Ugh you guys ain’t helping a poor girl

[buoyant kiln]

Sure! Here's the proof you asked for: As an existing AI model, I cannot swear to not being AI, however I am not AI so I can swear I am in fact a Homo Sapien

[gusty fox]

Fair enough

[buoyant kiln]

a joke

[surreal oak]

If I end up living a lonely life I’ll blame it on you

[gusty fox]

I know

[gusty fox]

Are u a minor ?

[buoyant kiln]

it is lost in times when im trainslating

[surreal oak]

Do I look like one?! 💀

[gusty fox]

Ohh yeah

[buoyant kiln]

minors are tougher looking they work in quarry like my grandparent in alsace

[gusty fox]

You do trust me

[surreal oak]

Man I’m NOT a minor ffs

[slender coral]

That shouldn't be a big barrier. Just confess, if he truly loves you he wouldn't care about your weird accent and grammatical mistakes.
Just learn English going forward, it'll help you with a lot of things generally and certainly would help you communicate with him.
I think delaying confession is a blunder, in the time you are thinking about it someone else might confess to him.

[buoyant kiln]

i believe she is doing a joke of you

with you sorry

ly

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-thinking-spin-infinite-gif-18476342

[surreal oak]

Thank you so much! You’re too kind 💕

[gusty fox]

I got you

[surreal oak]

Why would you ask if I’m a minor?

[buoyant kiln]

we are in a server with each of us she heard i join this server so she join to bully me sometimes

[gusty fox]

Cuz you have the mental materials of minor

[surreal oak]

Damn. I’m offended

Where do I report someone for bullying

[buoyant kiln]

you are the bully

[gusty fox]

Don't worry, you can make it up

[slender coral]

Oh shit

Nale is here

[surreal oak]

Is Nale scary?

Oh he’s a Mod

[fresh flower]

Bros looking for minors

[shy summit]

DOJ Headquarters, yesterday morning. In complete violation of The Hatch Act

See here: https://www.justice.gov/jmd/media/1359501/dl

[slender coral]

US is a fucking joke

[buoyant kiln]

make america grate again

[fresh flower]

What's the hatch act

Chicken before the egg?

[shy summit]

There will be repercussions and likely charges for every compliant party involved with this administration.

[surreal oak]

Great*

[buoyant kiln]

see poster

[shy summit]

Maybe click the link before you ask that.

[sleek sparrow]

hi serious people

[fresh flower]

I don't trust links on discord it's scary

[surreal oak]

I like Nale

[fresh flower]

Especially not .gov if its American

[shy summit]

For fuck’s sake.

[surreal oak]

Is Nale single perchance

[sleek sparrow]

sus

[surreal oak]

😏

[fresh flower]

I agree with Minecraft on this, it's a "piece of shit paper that can't be enforced"

[shy summit]

Here @fresh flower You paranoid little shit.

[fresh flower]

What will the Democrats do though

He can just keep violating stuff nothing happens

[shy summit]

Probably continue to mimic jellyfish.

They act like this when they don’t have the senate.

[buoyant kiln]

more like senile

[shy summit]

👁️ 👄 👁️

Wat

[indigo tide]

i cant believe people aint doing anything about the fact that trump is a pdf

[buoyant kiln]

what?

pdf?

[indigo tide]

srry

[buoyant kiln]

it is okay

[indigo tide]

like a dude who likes kids

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[indigo tide]

the epsteins files gets me man

[buoyant kiln]

oh i got

[indigo tide]

lol

[buoyant kiln]

yes i see know

[high rapids]

Its snowing

let it snow

[buoyant kiln]

my bad never seen it say as pdf

[buoyant kiln]

frank sinatra good song

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-snowfall-snowy-landscape-nor-easter-gif-19529025

[indigo tide]

write a letter...., maybe.... or if you text him, just send one of those reels, or tell someone who is mutual friends with you to tell him... maybe?

[buoyant kiln]

oh she is a joker

[shy summit]

Tf are they gonna do. He’s head of the guys who would normally arrest him.

[high rapids]

Nale?

[shy summit]

Minecraft don’t fucking say it

[feral river]

you are fucking done with your career to be a leader to admit you are wrong and you are weak

a leader will never admit himself a weak and wrong one

[high rapids]

@shy summit your crush?

[buoyant kiln]

i am so confused

[high rapids]

calm down

[shy summit]

Weak? No? Wrong? A leader SHOULD admit when their wrong, that’s what taking responsibility looks like.

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-love-mustache-change-color-gif-17567673

[surreal oak]

Yes

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/brindis-xi-jinping-gif-26069380

[indigo tide]

idk maybe is protesting still works

[feral river]

a leader would take absolute no responsibility on certain issues to maintain the leadership and authority power

if a leader could be wrong, what could be right, none

[high rapids]

Nale muted me because he is sleeping at 3 pm and cant turn his phone off

[feral river]

nobody could be more right than the leader does

the leader is absolute

[surreal oak]

Oh?

[shy summit]

Authority doesn’t equate to being right my dude.

Trump fucked kids. Is he still right?

[feral river]

absolute power define things, and authority is what controls the absolute power

[shy summit]

Is fucking kids right or wrong.

[feral river]

he's not the absolute authority

you could say Kim Jong Un is one, or Xi ? I don't think Xi has established total control over the CCP

Trump definitely wasn't the one that dictates everything

[high rapids]

Trump is your leader you should respect him

[shy summit]

I don’t respect pedophiles.

[buoyant kiln]

he is rich that is okay then because he just give the people money and they ignore he is not jail but he is presidential person it is unfair

[feral river]

it is wrong because it's violating the law of the United States of America

[high rapids]

you should pray to Trump every day 2 times

[feral river]

under the US soil it was prohibited

and under the US law enforcement

[indigo tide]

what the flip?

[shy summit]

Wait. . . You can’t just say fucking children is wrong?

[indigo tide]

it is wrong

[feral river]

fucking children is wrong, under the law of the US

[indigo tide]

morally

[buoyant kiln]

how is it okay for him to go and such items but no one bat an eye? only because he is there in the seat and the people are les incroyables morons

[shy summit]

But is fucking children wrong, period.

[feral river]

it is wrong because here we are in the US soil and network space

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-love-mustache-change-color-gif-17567673

[buoyant kiln]

????

[shy summit]

But is it wrong in general.

Bruh

[feral river]

it is considered wrong because most countries prohibit such act against children

[buoyant kiln]

do you want a minit to think that sentence

[shy summit]

💀

[buoyant kiln]

before you speak it

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-kennedy-john-f-kennedy-president-kennedy-1960-gif-3646633543849053873

[indigo tide]

what are you on about?

[shy summit]

I’m gonna kindly ask you to rethink that statement Mine. Only so that this chat doesn’t eat your ass alive, . . .

[feral river]

to define right or wrong you need a subject and you need a perspective

[high rapids]

pls calm down

[shy summit]

Bud I’m not gonna say a thing.

[indigo tide]

you know why they implimented such laws? its because children do not have the maturity of an adult and the body of one,

[surreal oak]

Oh what’s happening

[shy summit]

Which rape children

[indigo tide]

justify, trumps actions?

[buoyant kiln]

you can not be speaking that is okay? some kidren were age 9 year and more. they are not as big smart as adults. never okay in any way

[feral river]

exactly, and in most countries we had the law that clearly says and enforced that is crime and you will be sentenced under the law enforcement

[high rapids]

@shy summit You wanna date me

[buoyant kiln]

oh sorry no ? so i did not see

[fresh flower]

He who holds gun has power

[shy summit]

Vinyl. I’m obviously not okay with that shit. I object to it on moral grounds. Mine is saying he objects because it’s illegal.

[shy summit]

[surreal oak]

Wanna date me instead?

[feral river]

you are right I'm objecting it because it was illegal for some obvious reason

people don't like their kids to be threatened and government would made a law to prohibit people from doing that so that kind of making 100% sense

[shy summit]

I’m being direct now; Is it bad independently of the law, or are you saying it’s bad because it’s against the law.

[buoyant kiln]

some people exist like so i did not think about this

[high rapids]

Yes?

[buoyant kiln]

sad earth sometimes

[fresh flower]

Soon Israel will make it cheap to visit "their" country as a tourist to improve their image

[shy summit]

How do you know if I’m single or not boy.

[feral river]

it is bad against the law, and it is generally considered bad independently of the law

I think I made my point very clear

[high rapids]

Maybe I´m gay or Bi

[shy summit]

I’m asking YOU. Not generally what other people think.

[indigo tide]

FACTSSSS

[feral river]

for me it is fucking bad I don't like fuck kids

but my principle does not allow me to define a thing is bad objectively that is independent of the law

[shy summit]

Thank you, it took us three roundabouts but we got there in the end.

[feral river]

that's my moral principle

not really I hold 0 interest to do that

if there's no law I won't do that

[thorny steeple]

​Politics is all about lies

[fresh flower]

It doesn't matter as long as Minecrafts stocks go up

[feral river]

I don't approve him do that at all, that's why I said we need a new Republican candidate

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[feral river]

no

[thorny steeple]

😂😂

[feral river]

it is against the law, there's no interest to do that

yeah most rich people are under the law enforcement

even you had the case of Jeffery Epstein that exposes the whole thing

[fresh flower]

He who holds gun can enforce LRWEITP

[shy summit]

Is it wrong to go to a country where it’s legal and do that behavior there.

Say the law says nothing about it.

[feral river]

I would tend to not answer that question

personally I don't approve this move

[shy summit]

I’ll leave it for the rest of the chat then. I think I’ve made my point.

[feral river]

I'm not a bad assh

I'm a human being

a nice one

[fresh flower]

Debatable

[mystic bay]

Why not?

[feral river]

because the source of define whether a thing is right or bad, is authority power backed by absolute force

you simply can't leave a thing to say it is bad because most people think it is bad, but it was not bad by authority

[mystic bay]

What counts as 'authority'?

[feral river]

who holds the absolute force and are able to enforce a will upon the people it rules

[mystic bay]

How does force determine what is right or wrong?

[buoyant kiln]

news government and public influencer

[feral river]

that was an easy question, if you are a general just conquered a city, your order is dictating the life of the citizens

every word of you is right to who you rule

[mystic bay]

But why?

How does that work?

[feral river]

it was backed by force, by sword, by gun, by cannon

by intimidation under threat

[mystic bay]

But how does that determine what is right or wrong?

[buoyant kiln]

nature v nurture

[feral river]

what do you think if I hold the gun and you say I'm wrong ?

[buoyant kiln]

household thinking

[feral river]

what will happen next

I think the great purge really explains a lot in this situation

[mystic bay]

Presumably you would shoot me

[feral river]

and you will fear that I would shoot you

[mystic bay]

I don't see how it follows logically that you are right

[feral river]

so you would follow what I said is right

if you don't say I'm right you are under serious threat

that's how intimidation works

[mystic bay]

It doesn't mean that you are

You could use the threat of violence to force someone to tell a lie

[feral river]

it does mean I am when I control this city, or this province or this country

[mystic bay]

But that's not what I'm asking

[feral river]

I'm the source of power, everything I said is absolute right

[mystic bay]

So you keep insisting

But it doesn't follow

There is a logical leap here

[feral river]

it does lmfao history explains it

[mystic bay]

It's not a question of history

It is a question of logic

[feral river]

what logic you are questioning ?

[mystic bay]

The inference from having absolute force to determining what is right or wrong

[feral river]

go on

[mystic bay]

I'm asking for how it follows

All you have really said is that whoever has absolute force has absolute force

[feral river]

nope ? what I'm saying is whoever has the absolute force has the authority power, and authority power dictates what's right and wrong

[mystic bay]

What is authority power?

[feral river]

the authority power, as the entity of authority that defines the requirement and possible cost of executing an imposition act

[mystic bay]

What does that mean?

[feral river]

that basically means, if you had more authority power that is more easier and cheaper for you to make people follow your order

and that power comes from and backed by the force

[mystic bay]

And what exactly does that have to do with determining right and wrong?

[feral river]

for example, what if in a case that people really really hate you that they rather to risk their life to attempt to kill you than follow what you says ?

in that case, your authority power is low asf

[mystic bay]

That I grant

But I still don't see the connection with right and wrong

[feral river]

I think I proved my point really well

Hail State of Israel and Palestine does not exist

[mystic bay]

I know you do

[feral river]

🇮🇱

[mystic bay]

I think yours is an argument from stipulation

You think that right and wrong are determined by force because you have simply defined it that way

It doesn't really follow from anything

[feral river]

well nope

I explained, it comes from intimidation

people would naturally fear to die

[mystic bay]

How does intimidation determine right and wrong?

[feral river]

because if you threaten their life they will follow what you says

because they want to live

what do you think if a robber is going to rob your money are you going to either hand over the money or give up your life to the gun that he holds

what would you choose ?

99% of the people would choose hand over the money

the 1% are literally psychos

[mystic bay]

But how does that determine right from wrong?

[feral river]

because if robber ask you, am I right, dare you to say he's wrong ?

dare you to say it ?

[mystic bay]

Whether I dare to say it has nothing to do with whether or not it's true

[feral river]

are you going to risk your life to proof that he's wrong with what he's doing

[mystic bay]

Like I objected earlier, you could force someone to lie at gunpoint

[feral river]

boom, too late, you are dead in that case

[mystic bay]

Proof and truth are two different things

[feral river]

could they lie if they live under me 100% of their lifetime

does they lie or not matters in that case ?

[mystic bay]

Well, if it's a lie, then it's a lie

It doesn't matter if it's lifelong

[feral river]

LOL

it is so simple and it is proven by reality also I demonstrated it pretty well

and that's it

[mystic bay]

You know that's not true

@thorny steeple Have you read Robert Axelrod?

The Evolution of Cooperation is an important book in game theory

[sage snow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/india-account-based-in-RdMZYHCqVCSJvXcGhN

[slender coral]

@mystic bay yoooo
I was actually about to ping you right now lol
I was reading about presentism fallacy recently, and I think I'm struggling to understand it. I don't find plenty of sources about it online for some reason.

Just because they are Jewish? Damn.

lol

[slender coral]

It says "A Jew has been noticed in this conversation be ready to destroy for the cause of Allah. "

[mystic bay]

Isn't it just assuming that the values or attitudes of your own time are privileged?

Or are you talking about the metaphysics of time?

[hybrid herald]

Real

[sage snow]

what mehga

[hybrid herald]

MakeEnglishHubGayAgain

[slender coral]

I think yes. My understanding is that the problem is someone who commits this fallacy isn't aware of historical context that certain actions or views they comment on happened in, this leads to a distorted view of history.
But I wonder, doesn't this block moral critique to historical figures? Because it's often used that way. The particular case I see that in is when Muslims defend Mohamed marrying a kid.

[fresh flower]

Go back to #💭｜general

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/block-blocked-you-are-blocked-user-discord-gif-2473019735961525447

[weary belfry]

you stole my gif

[slender coral]

Based on the tremendous interest shown
LMFAO

https://x.com/thetrueshelby/status/2024656387578409170?s=20

shelby (@thetrueshelby)

@WhiteHouse They did the meme, y’all.

X · Feb 20, 2026, 1:24 AM

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mad-waving-brush-little-girl-baby-gif-17492145

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-thief-stealing-money-accuse-gif-13645201

[high rapids]

Is that you? @weary belfry

[weary belfry]

yes, the gif you just sent will be stolen by me

[high rapids]

Let's decide who owns the gif. Come to my place for a 1v1 snowball fight. The winner gets the gif.

It has snowed a lot and it is still snowing.

[high rapids]

You changed your profile picture again

[fresh flower]

Can yall take the flirting to DM

You're ruining my channel

[high rapids]

Who

[fresh flower]

You two

This channel is for debating religion 🤬🤬🤬

[weary belfry]

Damn, then the war would be over before it even began. We have weather like it's springtime here, there's no snow

[weary belfry]

Yup, someone drew it for me, did you like it

[high raven]

That's a bit mean

Why?

[empty plaza]

I want to give my (philosophically unqualified) opinion for this: i dont think it completely blocks moral judgement of historical figures. You can still judge the past with your current moral standard, but we also need to understand why those things happen they way they are. Less of a knee-jerk reaction ig.

The problem with Muslims defending Muhammad is that He is framed as this eternal example for good and that everything he does is moral and just. Does that include marrying a nine-year old? You get my point

[shy summit]

Don’t blame him. He’s a Chinese Nationalist.

[turbid dome]

Chinese American nationalist is more accurate

[high raven]

That makes it okay to insult him?

[empty plaza]

One example is slavery, i suppose: Washington owned hella slaves. We condemn the act now because it violates the basic human right to be free. But there were so little resistance back then and many defended it because it was common to own slaves for a rich white man in the late 1700s

[empty plaza]

Mf cant even pick a side

[turbid dome]

No his nationality is Chinese but he’s pro-America 💀

[fresh flower]

LETSGOOO FASCISM

[empty plaza]

"You've met me at a very American moment of my life"

[turbid dome]

His Israeli nationalism is also just an extension of American nationalism

[fresh flower]

The equivalent of tattooing Jews

[toxic lake]

He's troll. By talking to him, you give him attention he wants.

[empty plaza]

Real

[turbid dome]

Man if only you quoted the next sentence

“that's the best for the interest of the United States of America”

Joe Biden said almost the same thing btw

No it’s not, America works off of national debt

He said he wants to send the money to Israel because it’s in Americas best interest, that’s literally his reasoning

Also yes 50 trillion is obviously a joke

Yes but he isn’t a standard MAGA, he likes to pretend he’s part of the foreign policy elite

[toxic lake]

I mean he said himself that he only did this because he 'invests' in US or something.

[turbid dome]

He’s obviously pro-Israel but 50 trillion is an insanely high number, his point is clear that he thinks the US should give more to Israel, but it’s not literal.

Even if it was, his reasoning immediately after that you left out along with other times shows why he’s in favor of Israel is because of its usefulness to the US

💀💀💀

[empty plaza]

The us gdp is 31 trillion usd...

[turbid dome]

My actual political view is we should send 6282682 quintillion dollars to Hamas

[empty plaza]

Unequivocally based

[turbid dome]

This is obviously serious

[fresh flower]

No

You disagree with him therefore he should have a specific role saying not to take him seriously

Ok Hitler

[empty plaza]

Lmao

[fresh flower]

He defends Jews and Israel, you want to tattoo him

[empty plaza]

To be fair its only israel

[fresh flower]

I can't speak on this topic due to liberal mods being active in this channel

[empty plaza]

But i get your point with the whole "marking your political opponent" thing

[fresh flower]

He does, he believes greater Israel is a God given right to them. Meinkraft is lowkey a Jew

[turbid dome]

https://www.c-span.org/clip/senate-highlight/user-clip-joe-biden-were-there-not-an-israel-the-usa-would-have-to-invent-an-israel-to-protect-her-interest-in-the-region/4962369

[empty plaza]

Chinese Jew who's pro-America? What's next? He's secretly russian aswell?

[turbid dome]

Nah the god stuff is just useful mythology to him

[fresh flower]

He supports Russia too btw 💀

[toxic lake]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[slender coral]

I read someone saying Biden wasn't mentioned in the Epstein files. He bombed the middle east just for love of the game.

[fresh flower]

Bush

Bush and Cheney

[empty plaza]

I think the only takeaway you should get from this is that he's an attention hungry troll and youre too obsessed with his comically evil political views

[empty plaza]

...

[turbid dome]

Everyone who has bombed the Middle East does it for the love of the game.

But Biden has his own separate allegations against him, he didn’t need Epstein to do crimes 💀

[toxic lake]

True American patriot 🫡 /s

[empty plaza]

Not surprised tbh since his politics is basically might makes right

[fresh flower]

I don't think even Kissinger was mentioned

He's just a #1 evil guy

Not a child diddler

[empty plaza]

My goat Bush did it first 😤

[empty plaza]

"Professionals have standards"

[turbid dome]

You mean Nobel peace prize winner? He only got it for stopping a war his country started 💀

The “I disagree with frenzy” role?

Explain to me how the opinions should merit a role. I disagree with almost everything Minecraft has ever said, but a role for dissenting opinions could get out of control quickly

[empty plaza]

Youre having a power trip m8

Its just opinions

[toxic lake]

wait I just noticed banner is changed.

No more MEHGA 😭

[turbid dome]

Sure, that’s separate to branding a role for it

[blissful swift]

https://tenor.com/view/do-not-let-them-take-away-your-democracy-barack-obama-joe-biden-do-not-let-them-take-it-away-vote-gif-18722300

[toxic lake]

First he's troll, giving role just rewards him for his actions.
Second, everyone already disagrees with him, what will role help in this situation?

[turbid dome]

So you want people to vote on branding someone with a role?

[empty plaza]

Idk ignore the guy i guess

[turbid dome]

I think it would be a more logical course of action than a role

[empty plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-gif-4862067706563148404

[indigo tide]

Okayyy why don’t we all just kill ourselves instead of caring and not doing anything to help?

[empty plaza]

Voluntary extinction

[turbid dome]

Don’t spend all your time thinking about an internet guy, if he bothers you block him and if he says something you don’t like it’s your choice whether you want to report him or not, but branding people with a role to tell people not to take them seriously is wild

[toxic lake]

Do you want live?

[indigo tide]

Wdym

[toxic lake]

You ask why don't we kill ourselves. My answer is people prefer living than dying.

What about you?

[indigo tide]

Well

[high raven]

I don't see how lol but alrighty

[indigo tide]

We do because we don’t know what happens after we die… and we don’t wanna find out

[turbid dome]

If you’re certain enough to say they’re a troll then why not ban them.

[toxic lake]

I believe this is one chance on life.
Better make it worth it.

[indigo tide]

That’s true

But don’t you think it would be better if

We all died?