🧠｜serious-chat

[pseudo flume]

Btw that criminal was quite powerful, even the central agencies didn't do shi with him

[small halo]

Yeah , I mean you can see how boys from influential backgrounds commit a lot of the crimes and get away with it

[pseudo flume]

Recently my district court order a death penalty to a R + murder of minor

[small tangle]

what's yall opinion about marriage

[pseudo flume]

All my homies love that judge

[small halo]

THATS SO GREATTTT GNG WE NEED MORE JUDGES LILE HIM

Or her

[pseudo flume]

Yes, they think it's fine to commit atrocities on the vulnerables

[small halo]

Fr and how proudly they admit to it is so shocking , I have heard someone flexing about breaking laws cuz his father is a known MLA or smtg

[pseudo flume]

Depends on the region, in my region to unlock the full benifits of a relationship you must get married.

I'm referring to things like chilling with extended family during festivals n shi

[small halo]

Pmo

[shell hemlock]

Don’t do it

[pseudo flume]

Sounds like heaven

Marriage is just a normal relationship with extra paperwork

Unless you live in Bihar (indian state)

Bihar Teacher Abducted, Forced To Marry Kidnapper's Daughter At Gunpoint https://share.google/FzyCVGtgGrT2gHvOh

It's not a common thing, but it's definitely a thing

[small tangle]

ofc, some truth to it

[small tangle]

islamiclly , what do you think about it

[pseudo flume]

Being broke might be the cheat code

[pseudo flume]

If it's a healthy marriage, it's good

[small tangle]

valid valid

[floral estuary]

Healthy marriage is a myth i think

[prisma cipher]

People die faster if they don't get married it's statistics.

[pseudo flume]

They can be dead inside, in a bad marriage

[floral estuary]

Yeah but its too hard to find right partner.

[potent tide]

I will be alone on 14th February

[thorny steeple]

whats so serious about this chat

[small halo]

Me too twin

Sigh..........

[deep zephyr]

Everyone comes here to dump their poop

It's a serious business

[floral estuary]

Haha

[small halo]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-alone-gif-11375996495065887435

[deep zephyr]

My eyes 😭

Fucking edgelords

[potent tide]

🥀

[drowsy lark]

hi

[uncut tiger]

@formal pilot laanat ullahi alal kaafireen

[fallow shard]

Still questionable country

[verbal torrent]

Ima move to china

[woven quail]

Turkey Threatens the Kurdistan Region
In his latest statement to a Turkish television channel, the Turkish Foreign Minister, Hakan Fidan, sent a harsh message to the governments of Iraq and the Kurdistan Region.
Key Statements from Fidan:
• Military Action: He stated, "We will attack Kurdistan to eliminate the PKK."
• Request to Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF/Hashd al-Shaabi): Fidan noted that they have requested the PMF to cooperate in destroying the PKK in Sinjar, Makhmour, and Qandil.
• Tactical Coordination: Fidan further clarified: "We are attacking from the air and have asked the PMF to assist us on the ground. If the PMF stands with us, we will eliminate the PKK within two days."
Demands to the Iraqi Government:
Fidan called on the Iraqi government to support Turkey in "dismantling the Kurdistan Region" under the pretext of the PKK's presence. He asserted:

Demands to the Iraqi Government:
Fidan called on the Iraqi government to support Turkey in "dismantling the Kurdistan Region" under the pretext of the PKK's presence. He asserted:

"Iraq must act similarly to how Syria is currently acting; it should eliminate the Kurds and protect the territorial integrity of Iraq."

[potent tide]

I thought they were Buddhist

Yo chinise discord users, is that true?

yh

at least it's better be an atheist than pseudo prayer( I mean Hypocrisy)

don't you think so?

@thorny steeple

Hypocrisy

i mean it, don't think that i call buddhism a psuedo religion

typying for clarity

ye

?def Hypocrisy

[cursive bobcat]

Word: Hypocrisy

Definition 1 (noun): an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction
Definition 2 (noun): insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have

Definition requested by mixa110ani

[potent tide]

i wouldn't say that here

Discord's support is the shittiest support that i have ever seen

[woven quail]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Ayhan Çarkın was a notorious member of the Turkish Special Operations unit who became a symbol of state violence against Kurds in the 1990s.
Here is what he did:
• Extrajudicial Killings: He was a key executioner in "death squads" that kidnapped and murdered Kurdish businessmen, politicians, and intellectuals (known as faili meçhul or "unknown perpetrator" murders).
• State Terror: He operated in Northern Kurdistan (Southeast Turkey) to suppress Kurdish identity through torture, intimidation, and illegal operations.
• Confessions: In 2011, he broke his silence and admitted that the Turkish state ordered these killings. He confessed to his own role in the murders and pointed out the locations of mass graves.

How prophet Mohammad (S.A.W)will answer if he see those stuff ya guys did 😂

Bro thanks u made my day I’m dying laughing 😂😂😂😂

[verbal torrent]

Rezil ettin bizi amk

[gritty echo]

Actually Buddhism wasn't a religion at the start

Buddha was just looking for the meaning of life ,

And after the when he found he just told other people's own experiences and his ideas

And he just lived his own life without any war or fight

After the centuries or generations , people made the Buddha as a god figure

[ashen rivet]

Hello

[gritty echo]

Or prophet figure , they just mixed their own religions with Buddha s ideas

But Buddha never claimed himself as a prophet or a teller of a new religion

He just was a life mentor

Ne anlatıyon be abi gözünü seveyim be abla

[gritty echo]

Sorma ya , rezil rüsva olduk bugün de

[verbal torrent]

Are u Buddhist or just interested?

[verbal torrent]

[gritty echo]

Actually I was impressed with Buddhism

I read dhammapada, the book of Buddhism

It tells Buddha's ideas

[verbal torrent]

Ill look into it

[gritty echo]

I'm not claimed as myself as a Buddhist but I actually adapt myself as most of Buddha's ideas

And it changes my life into the positive way

[verbal torrent]

Interesting

[slim blade]

https://tenor.com/view/sabaton-history-wawa-cat-winged-hussars-gif-1548064404993932937

[woven quail]

@thorny steeple where did u go broda come back

[turbid dome]

“We’re the bad guys but I’m so brainwashed by my fascist nationalism that I can’t comprehend that saying I like dominating people is seen as gross”

[turbid dome]

Sad day

[woven quail]

Fr I want him back

We don’t need to prove anything their ppl is enough

[turbid dome]

Erdogan should bring discord back to turkey so we can get some real poultry sandwiches again

[woven quail]

it will be the best day of my life

Sure he banned because he knew his own ppl

[mint parrot]

I didn't know turks using religion as well

[turbid dome]

Ofc

[mint parrot]

Oh hell nah

[turbid dome]

But isn’t cooking so fun?

[mint parrot]

Biji kalanaland

[turbid dome]

Biji kalanastan*

[mint parrot]

Kids gonna be back

Imagine a 12 years old telling you you're gonna look good when you are dead

Like kido what should I answer you

[mint parrot]

Herbiji

[turbid dome]

“Istanbul is Constantinople”

[turbid dome]

wtf 😭

[mint parrot]

I'm gonna take you to qandil soon

[turbid dome]

What

Am I being kidnapped?

[mint parrot]

Not you lol

[turbid dome]

Oh ok

[mint parrot]

But maybe you can be our wall kisser

[turbid dome]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

Kill me

[wet flax]

[mint parrot]

After that okay

[turbid dome]

Before?

[mint parrot]

No

[turbid dome]

Please?

[turbid dome]

Ok I can ram my head into that

I thought you meant the other wall

[mint parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1211329848874762281.gif

Yes probably

[turbid dome]

I’ll only kiss that brick wall not the one in Israel

[mint parrot]

Jihad war will come for you and no one is gonna save you tsk tak

[turbid dome]

Noooooooo😭😭😭😭

[torpid dirge]

Why tf these guy's writing herbew

Mossad agent pops up

[gritty bobcat]

U forgot slavery and taking girls as hostages for sell

[mint parrot]

@turbid dome i got another idea

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082690869431382089/1214443045173460992/smileeee.gif

[turbid dome]

What

I’m not gonna be your slave

[gritty bobcat]

He has the upside down red arrow 🥀

[gritty bobcat]

Bro u gonna be killed if they come after u dw 😭🙏🏻

[turbid dome]

I’ll take my chances

[mint parrot]

Lmao 😂

[mint parrot]

Then kiss the wall!

[gritty bobcat]

I thought he gonna blew up didnt thought he gonna give up so easily

[turbid dome]

I’ll pass

I will lead the slave revolt instead

[gritty bobcat]

[mint parrot]

Both

[ruby scaffold]

Is this really Mr. Beast? https://youtu.be/cRR8c17eQts?si=Y1Qo2P4BYifKh9mZ

[turbid dome]

No

[mint parrot]

Yes

[turbid dome]

Just the slave revolt

[gritty bobcat]

Youtu.be🥀

[mint parrot]

Both

[mint parrot]

New way to scam 😔

[turbid dome]

I won’t kiss the wall

[mint parrot]

U will

[gritty bobcat]

U can kiss the cross

[turbid dome]

Nope

[turbid dome]

I thought those were for burning teenage girls who can do math

[mint parrot]

I feel something is wrong

[turbid dome]

My YouTube occasionally becomes Youtu.be idk why

[mint parrot]

Bro is religionphobice

[turbid dome]

Maybe a lot

[mint parrot]

Since you accept the salve part that's mean you have no right

[turbid dome]

I’m gonna lead a Slave revolt

[high raven]

That's the youtube url

[turbid dome]

It will be the biggest and best slave revolt you’ve ever seen folks. Nobody knows more about slave revolts then I do, believe you me.

[mint parrot]

Yeah

[gritty bobcat]

U look like one who does maths

[turbid dome]

I hate math actually

[mint parrot]

Are we doing lent and Ramadan at the same time this year again like last year

[gritty bobcat]

Aight we wont burn u

[high raven]

Yes 😭

[turbid dome]

Lent reminds me of lint

[mint parrot]

I'm gonna make you a lesson for them

[mint parrot]

Ohh nice

[wet flax]

there is a big difference between divine creation, and creating in a whole (human-made).

a human can create a robot, the robot can be 'alive', ai are good exemple, they dont have feelings, nor mind, though they usurp all our emotions, and make you believe they understand you.

a human can be a creator, that's why in a book (i forgot the name) a human creates a robot that perfect it is called the New Eve, because humans wants to be like God, so creations is still a definition that can be applied to human.

so no, if the creator destroys is robot/ai, it isnt immoral, since it is his robots, his property, his creations, if i destroy your robot, it'll be an attack to an object that is yours, its illegal.

just take the same, but for God.

God creates you, he has rights, property on you, however anyone else than God does NOT have right to do anything to you, because you dont have right over your neighbor, God has.

just wanted to clarify

[turbid dome]

Bet

[mint parrot]

I think he is actually ginger

So??

[turbid dome]

(As long as the lesson isn’t kissing the wall)

[mint parrot]

Burn the witch

[wet flax]

it often starts the same day

[turbid dome]

Fake news

[mint parrot]

It was only last year

[gritty bobcat]

I think ur a Wizard

[mint parrot]

I'm gonna make you kiss Trump

[wet flax]

it wasnt the first time, it just depends of the moon and the easter date

[turbid dome]

Ok can I get a gun and bullet?

[mint parrot]

Mom calles me a lizard so i guess this one is better

[mint parrot]

I see

[gritty bobcat]

Why so obsessed with orange

[mint parrot]

No but you can get a lip balm

[wet flax]

though, yeah, it starts the same day in 2026

[mint parrot]

Okay he can kiss ayatullah

[high raven]

Ramadan and Christmas will overlap in 2030

Christmas mubarak

[turbid dome]

Ok can I put a lethal chemical in it and eat the whole container?

[mint parrot]

Jingle halal

[high raven]

Merry eidmas 😭

[turbid dome]

Ok this is an improvement from trump but still no

[mint parrot]

No but you can use gorilla glue

[gritty bobcat]

Thats a red flag

[mint parrot]

How

[turbid dome]

wtf

[wet flax]

epstein disguising as Jesus to rpe a girl...

[gritty bobcat]

Bro wanna turn him into jihaddy

[mint parrot]

Nah as i said he is gonna be a lesson

[mint parrot]

Nataniaho is the last option

[mint parrot]

Wtf

[gritty bobcat]

In syria we say حربايه to girls who lies constantly or wanna make us fight

[gritty bobcat]

He seems a chill guy

[gritty bobcat]

[wet flax]

you're an oriental orthodox?

[gritty bobcat]

Am not orthodox but i put it for my friend as a match . Am rome catholic

[wet flax]

oh.

i see, ig.

[mint parrot]

Bro talks like he has experience

[gritty bobcat]

One piece show

[mint parrot]

Are you Syrian?

[turbid dome]

It’s trump

[mint parrot]

I wanna say something but that's gonna be racist 😔

[gritty bobcat]

Especially in this month

[mint parrot]

Jew under The pharaohs rules

[mint parrot]

Astaghfulla 😔

[mint parrot]

But still i didn't get you

[gritty bobcat]

Only Syrians do

[mint parrot]

Alhamdulila

[wet flax]

WHY is the gen chat more serious than serious chat

[fresh flower]

You guys ruined it

It's never serious if I'm not here

[fresh flower]

It's true though

I'm top 3 most logical people here

[wet flax]

sure...

[high raven]

No it's true

You're new here

[fresh flower]

She doesn't know how low the bar is yet

[wet flax]

whatever, its not what i saw

i base my views and opinions on what im seeing

[fresh flower]

Lesbian orthodox telling me I'm not logical and consistent

Low bar, like I said

I'm top 3 and that's on holy trinity

[wet flax]

yeah, that's what im saying

saying lesbianism and orthodoxy is contradictory lol

very logical indeed

just lack of knowledge, that's all

also

my sexuality and my religions has NOTHING to do with my logical skills

just a start of ad homineming atp

[fresh flower]

It is

[wet flax]

ok

book chapter verse
Church Father also

please ?

because it isnt

i told u more than 4 times ofc, but i'll say it again
learn orthodoxy.

[fresh flower]

Recite Romans 1:26-27 for me rn

[wet flax]

baha, ofc romans, hold up

i'll also refute corinth, and leviticus if you dont mind

[fresh flower]

Focus on Romans I want to see how you can spin the Bible saying Gay relationships=Bad

[wet flax]

i'll do it for the threes

because they say the same indirectly, nothing about a real desire, anyway, wait minutes.

[fresh flower]

Wym nothing about real desire

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Continuation:

"Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity."

According to the Bible YOU have a depraved mind

[woven quail]

Ew ure gay

[gritty bobcat]

Quzallqurt yall

[turbid dome]

This isn’t even one of the debated things among actual bible scholars.

Like bible scholars at least have varying interpretations on things like women’s rights but the bible is so incredibly clear about gay people 😭

[fresh flower]

That's what I'm saying

Idk though apparently I'm not logical 😞😓😩

[wet flax]

Corinthians 6:9-11

'ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ Α΄ 6:9-11 - SBL Greek New Testament (SBLGNT)

<9> Ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι θεοῦ βασιλείαν οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν; μὴ πλανᾶσθε· οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται <10> οὔτε κλέπται οὔτε πλεονέκται, οὐ μέθυσοι, οὐ λοίδοροι, οὐχ ἅρπαγες βασιλείαν θεοῦ κληρονομήσουσιν. <11> καὶ ταῦτά τινες ἦτε· ἀλλὰ ἀπελούσασθε, ἀλλὰ ἡγιάσθητε, ἀλλὰ ἐδικαιώθητε ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι τοῦ κυρίου Ἰησοῦ καὶ ἐν τῷ πνεύματι τοῦ θεοῦ ἡμῶν.
Paul used 'ἀρσενοκοῖται' which means also sexual acts, and 'λοίδοροι' used many time by greeks (ancient) to mean soft, in a sense 'softly falling for the desire (sex.)"
main words for the context of dis topic
οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται <10> οὔτε κλέπται οὔτε πλεονέκται, οὐ μέθυσοι, οὐ λοίδοροι, οὐχ ἅρπαγες βασιλείαν θεοῦ κληρονομήσουσιν.

Paul used 'ἀρσενοκοῖται' which means also sexual acts, and 'λοίδοροι' used many time by greeks (ancient) to mean soft, in a sense 'softly falling for the desire (sex.)"
the root words: ἄρσεν = male / κοίτη = bed (as per Strong's Lexicon, "cohabitation" / "sexual intercourse")
ez deboonk lmao.

Leviticus ויקרא 18:22

The Westminster Leningrad Codex
וְאֶ֨ת־זָכָ֔ר לֹ֥א תִשְׁכַּ֖ב מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י
אִשָּׁ֑ה תּוֹעֵבָ֖ה הִֽוא׃

Key word is 'Tishab/Tishkav; its an explicit word in hebrew to say sexual intercourse, sexual acts.

for romans;

its not about keywords, but its about context, and knowledge, a sin in christianity (about desire ofc) isnt the desire, its not also the act itself, but the attention or purpose.

you dont choose to be gay, your mind does not follow any thing for that, it just, feels.

romans v21 is not saying «being, is a sin»
but saying
«without God, some behaviors appears.».
Orthodoxy says that ALL humans have disoriented desire, not only sexual, and its normal cause we (humans) arent perfect, also Romans I just prepare romans 3 about idolatry, so.

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-popcorn-eating-scared-watch-gif-17211195

[wet flax]

saying Bible condemns of being gay is just being fucking dumb

without offense, if you think that then you're dumb

[woven quail]

Ure Christian?

[wet flax]

i am?

[woven quail]

How many versions bible have

[mint parrot]

Do Orthodox and Catholic have the same bible?

[wet flax]

depends of what you means by version

translation ?

[woven quail]

Like testament

[wet flax]

we have, though us (orthodox) have more books than the catholics, so yes and no

[wet flax]

1

2

idk what you mean so im confused mb

[woven quail]

Then why sometimes they say New Testament

[fresh flower]

I knew it, you're twisting context, the verses you sent CLEARLY address exploitative or idolatrous behavior, not regular gay loving same-sex relationships like Romans

Why are you even citing Leviticus??? It's for the JEWS

[mint parrot]

More bible?

[wet flax]

oh, because Old Testament is pre-Jesus, New testament is post-jesus, just about historical date

[wet flax]

bible is bunch of books

[fresh flower]

Also wym "Romans is about context" the context is literally given

[woven quail]

How

[wet flax]

Genesis, is a book, leviticus is an another one, etc

[gritty bobcat]

Hahahahaha

[wet flax]

bible is just a bunch of book, that unites books

[gritty bobcat]

She beefing with him

[mint parrot]

I meant do both go with the same holy book

[wet flax]

basically hebrews and greeks

[wet flax]

yeah

[mint parrot]

I see

[wet flax]

same inspiration

[fresh flower]

In some bible verses I get that the context comes before/after the verse, but that Romans verse is IN context

[mint parrot]

Are you Orthodox?

[turbid dome]

See the Catholic Church decides what Catholics believe so it just does whatever it wants to the books lol

[wet flax]

you fucking idiot, you think leviticus is only for jews? its also a book of mine.

[gritty bobcat]

Just die in peace bro 🙏🏻

[wet flax]

ROMANS IS JUST EXPLAINING THAT WITHOUT GOD, SOME THINGS APPEARS WITH YOUR FAULT OR NOT
its not difficult

[wet flax]

yeah

[mint parrot]

I don't know which one but i think one of them disagrees about putting paint in the church

[mint parrot]

What is the difference

[turbid dome]

Idk which one either

[wet flax]

theology in a whole

traditions aswell

[fresh flower]

?
Leviticus is part of the Torah, it's ritual and civil laws for Jewish people

[gritty bobcat]

I thinks it’s pointless to negotiate

[wet flax]

have you ever opened a bible my brother 😭

[mint parrot]

Such as?

[wet flax]

The Pentateuch is part of the Christian bible

[turbid dome]

Pretty much every non orthodox says the Old Testament is just for Jews 😭

[wet flax]

papacy, filioque, ex-cathedra, co-redemptrix, purgatory

[fresh flower]

?
I know it's in OT, I'm telling you it addresses Jews in ancient Israel, why are you using the same book to prove your claim when you say "It's for the Jews" when it comes to others???

[mint parrot]

Idk but my friend said it's something they added for the religion not originally like that

[mint parrot]

Do you guys have a holy place

[fresh flower]

According to your own logic, which is according to you better than mine, you and your gay partner should be killed according to Leviticus 20:13

Or are you just cherrypicking when to use ancient Israel laws

[neon sierra]

❤️❤️❤️

[mint parrot]

What about The Torah about gays

[mint parrot]

Lavin work

[fresh flower]

Plz explain to me how to cherrpick Bible verses I'm new to this 🥺👉🏻👈🏻

[turbid dome]

That part is in the torah

[wet flax]

omfg it doesnt 'adress' to the jews because they were jews, but because they were god's people, and we (christians) are gods people, its still about us, that law did got filled, but it still remaining in our laws

[mint parrot]

I thought they were talking about the bible

[wet flax]

Jerusalem, Constantinople.
for orthodoxs
for catholic there is Vatican also

[wet flax]

Torah is in the bible

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-13712192

[wet flax]

yes, so?

[woven quail]

So u believe there’s only one God

[fresh flower]

Why are you lying?

Explanation:
"The Levitical laws were given specifically to Israel as God’s covenant people, so their original audience was Jews, not all humanity. Christians believe Christ fulfilled the law (e.g., Matthew 5:17), meaning the ceremonial and civil aspects aren’t binding on us today"

[wet flax]

ofc?

[wet flax]

OMG DO U KNOW WHAT FULFILLING LAWS MEANS

logical indeed!

[woven quail]

So u believe that Jesus was a prophet not God?

[mint parrot]

I didn't mean like that

[wet flax]

i believe Jesus is God and a prophet

[woven quail]

How

[wet flax]

God became a man in enhypostaton

[woven quail]

It’s saying God can’t be a human

[wet flax]

english is bad to take exemple, but God cant be a man by nature

[woven quail]

John 17:3: Jesus prays to God, saying: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." > Note: He identifies God as "the only true God" and himself as the "one sent" (a messenger)

[wet flax]

and that's why we say Jesus is God by nature, but also humans, they are distinct and different

cause divinity cant be in humanity

[mint parrot]

Constantinople because of Hagia Sophia right

[woven quail]

Trinity?

[fresh flower]

You're not saying anything rn.
Jesus completed his purpose>Ceremonial, civil and rirual requirements from Leviticus were fulfilled in him>Leviticus no longer addresses Christians and only Jews

[wet flax]

yeah

[turbid dome]

The Christians just plagiarized Jews, added new books, changed a few traditions , and stuff like that

[fresh flower]

So why are you using a book that no longer applies to you

[woven quail]

John 14:28: Jesus says, "...for my Father is greater than I." (If he were God, no one could be "greater" than him).
• Mark 10:18: When called "Good Teacher," Jesus responds, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

[wet flax]

emperor Constantine etablished Constantinople as the city of orthodoxy

[woven quail]

Confused

Numbers 23:19: "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent..."
• 1 Samuel 15:29: "...for he is not a man, that he should repent."
• Hosea 11:9: "...For I am God, and not a man—the Holy One among you."

[wet flax]

John 14:28; monarchy of the father
Mark 10:18 prevention against idolatry

[mint parrot]

Christians and Muslims used to fight too much over jurselm and now jews took it
When you are the fav kid

[mint parrot]

I see

[wet flax]

God became a man in flesh, divinity never had human nature, its different

Jesus was fully man, and fully God, not half that half this

[turbid dome]

So he’s the son of himself?

[wet flax]

Father isnt the Son

[fresh flower]

"Leviticus was given specifically to ancient Israel as God’s covenant people, so its laws were directed at Jews. It’s part of the Bible because it shows God’s holiness, moral standards, and the need for atonement; principles Christians see fulfilled in Christ, who completed the law’s purpose and freed believers from its ritual and civil requirements. For Jews, the covenant remains, so many of these laws still guide their religious and moral life today."

???

[wet flax]

quoting from no sources...

[turbid dome]

Well if father is god and son is god and father is not son then that’s a contradiction lol

[fresh flower]

The source is the Bible

[wet flax]

OT is here for history ofc, for understanding, for questions

also for the laws that were fulfilled

and again, fulfilled, not abolished

[wet flax]

do you think God is a being?

[turbid dome]

It doesn’t really matter what god is, as it doesn’t change the contradiction

[fresh flower]

?????

Then why are you using it to defend gay acts when Romans reiterates that it's bad?💀💀💀💀💀

[wet flax]

are you and me the same

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[turbid dome]

Obviously not

[fresh flower]

On Allah I'm top 3 @high raven

[wet flax]

tho we are both humans by nature

[turbid dome]

Yes

[woven quail]

Only God (the Father) is the absolute source of authority and is greater than Christ.
• Christ prevented people from viewing him as God to ensure they did not fall into idolatry.

"These two points demonstrate that Christ himself was very protective of the principle that people should worship God alone, and that he should be seen only as a Messenger

[neon sierra]

[wet flax]

so is it a contradiction?

[wet flax]

What is the Monarchy (Monarchia) of the Father?

-# The Monarchy of the Father. The three hypostases (persons) differ in their attributes, but their essence is one." The Father is the principle of the Son and the Holy Spirit, but not in the same sense that He is the principle of Creation." Much of Gregory's discussion on the Divine Persons is in connection with the problem of the filioque." He emphatically points out that "the pious" believe in one principle in God, whereas the Latins break it into two divine principles. The Orthodox have been taught by the divine wisdom of the Holy Fathers that there is only one principle (arche) in God." The hypostasis of the Father is the cause of divinity." God the Father is the "source" (pege) and "cause" (aition) of divinity, but not the creator of divinity." Creation means bringing something into existence out of sheer nothing. The Father is not the creator of the other two hypostases. Saint Gregory speaks of "God-generating union" (theogonos koinonia). He also speaks of the Father as being the God-generating principle (theotes theo-gonos ho Pater)." The Son and Holy Spirit are principles (archai) because they have their arche in the Father Who i: "the principle of divinity" (theotetos arche).

-# That they have union (koinonia) with their arche in the Father does not mean that they are created; that the Father is the source of divinity" (pegaia theotes) does not mean that there are two inferior Gods. The Father is not greater than the Son, Who is caused by the Father." Nor are the Father and the Son the archai of the Holy Spirit. If it is accepted (as it is by the Latins) that there are two consubstantial archai then the Holy Spirit is excluded from God's essence. St. Gregory emphatically points out that each hypostasis differs from the other in its attributes that is, the Father is not born and does not proceed, the Son is begotten but does not proceed, the Holy Spirit proceeds but is not generated. It is evident in the writings of Saint Gregory Palamas that the Father is the first cause or principle of divinity and that the other hypostases Son and Holy Spirit-are equal to the Father.

-# Now, this incommunicability of hypostatic properties does not mean that persons in the Trinity are to be understood as autonomous individuals. We must beware of making this incommunicability the definition of person par excellence, as Richard of St. Victor seems to do, for although the hypostatic properties are not communicated, the notion of the person is inconceivable outside a relationship. The Cappadocians called the persons by names indicating schesis (relationship) E.g. Gregory Naz., Or. 29 (PG 36, 96): The Father is a name neither of substance nor of energy, but of schesis: none of the three persons can be conceived without reference to the other two, both logically and ontologically. The problem is how to reconcile incommunicability with relationship, but this again is a matter of freeing divine existence from the servitude of personhood to substance, a servitude which applies only to created existence. By being uncreated, the three persons are not faced with a given substance, but exist freely. Being is simultaneously relational and hypostatic. But this leads us to a consideration of the philosophical consequences of Cappadocian theology.

[woven quail]

God can’t never be a human bro it’s saying that

[wind zephyr]

...

[wet flax]

im going to quotemine, end of fun rn

[fresh flower]

Ruth makes Nobu look good I'm ngl

I miss him, he at least used the Bible verses correctly

[turbid dome]

Thats entirely different, “human” is an umbrella which encompasses a species of seperate people.

God is described as something tangible.

[wet flax]

olivander, you're just a troll, nothing else

saying OT isnt important is fucking stupid

[fresh flower]

Me when I run out of arguments:

[turbid dome]

Ok that’s true but he’s not wrong here

[fresh flower]

I didn't say that

[woven quail]

That is only a matter of creed (Aqidah) nothing more

[wet flax]

humanity is an essence, as God.

[mint parrot]

With some fake Hadith 😭

[fresh flower]

When did I say that OT isn't important

[wet flax]

bro you're saying leviticus' laws are irrelevant on christians faith

tf r u on abt

[wind zephyr]

Why we debate over gods here

[mint parrot]

Why else should we do about

[turbid dome]

😭😭😭

A=B and A=C but you’re saying B!=C😭😭😭

[wet flax]

fulfilled means the laws remains, the acts change

[wind zephyr]

Debate about hm well idk

[fresh flower]

Then kill gay people according to Leviticus 20:13????

[wet flax]

.

[fresh flower]

Why are you cherrypicking which still remain

[wet flax]

the acts change
R U FUCKING ILLITERATE

OMFG VERY LOGICAL LMAO

no wonder nobu cooked y'all

[fresh flower]

Bro you're the one using it to defend gay relationships 😭🙏🏻

[turbid dome]

😭😭😭

[wet flax]

bro you're the one saying being gay is a sin 😹😹😹🙏🏻

[manic juniper]

Did gays even exist, aren't sexualities a modern invention

[fresh flower]

.....

[wet flax]

top 3 logical from english hub:

even mormons are more logical

[uneven arch]

what are u talkink brh

[fresh flower]

Lowkey insane idk if I'm reading this right

[mint parrot]

Isn't?

[wet flax]

leviticus 18 22 : condemns sexual acts
corinth 6:9-11: condemns sexual acts
romans 1:23-: not condemning, preventing from consequences of something (lack of God at this point.)
very easy isnt it

[wet flax]

christianity condemns gay sex, not being one

verses are very clear about that

[mint parrot]

All i know according to all holy books being gay is a sin

[woven quail]

Today's Christianity is more 'Pauline' than 'Christian,' because most of their doctrines are derived from the letters of Paul rather than from the direct sayings of Jesus (PBUH)

[wet flax]

Paul met Jesus

atleast.

[fresh flower]

"According to Leviticus 18:22 it says that only sexual intercourse is bad, not acts, so we can use Leviticus rn to defend gay relationships"

"Noooo I can't kill gays according to Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus was fulfilled in Christ and no longer applies to Christians"

"Noooo you're a troll wym that Leviticus isn't for Christians"

This channel is beyond fucked

[wet flax]

'paulism' argument against christianity is bad, cause no one will deny

[wet flax]

😹😹😹🙏🏻

omggg

im crine to such stupidness 😹✌🏻

laws remains

[woven quail]

How can u believe him

[wet flax]

the act change, we dont stone, tho the laws is still there

[high raven]

Praying for this channel

[wet flax]

chose by the Apostles

as by Jesus himself

olivander you're such a troll i cant

[fresh flower]

On wallahi we all need to pray for it

[wet flax]

saying Leviticus is not for christians anymore

[turbid dome]

According to what

[wet flax]

😹😹

[wet flax]

i meant *accepted, my bad.

chose by Jesus, accepted by apostles

anyways imma go

[turbid dome]

Yeah what source shows that 😭

[woven quail]

He wasn’t even Christian for himself

[wet flax]

olivander, learn christianity more than on tiktok

[turbid dome]

😭😭😭😭😭

[wet flax]

read church fathers

[fresh flower]

Why's this always the default cope for the illogical people here

[wet flax]

could help a bit 😹😹😹

well, ig your ego cant be hurt, 'top 3 most logical person' 😹😹

[fresh flower]

I'm citing Bible verses in context and she's telling me I know nothing

[wet flax]

yeah nobody denies that

[wet flax]

i literally sent an essay 'refuting'

ig you're really illiterate, too bad ! bye.

[fresh flower]

I trace this channels downfall back to Devil

[turbid dome]

Good thing you put it in quotation marks already

[fresh flower]

People like him normalised illogical claims and "I'm wrong therefore you're trolling"

[wet flax]

cause romans is not full, leviticus and corinth are refuted, not romans cause im busy

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[wet flax]

im wrong, yeah atleast im the one studying christianity, catholicism, orthodoxy, not from tiktok

[wet flax]

we believe Paul became christian, but wasnt one before

[sweet wolf]

sheet metal

[fresh flower]

I don't even use tiktok for that, I use it to watch slightly homosexual memes I send to my male friends and say "This us"

You're just plainly wrong and coping

[wet flax]

did i ask

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[woven quail]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Omg I love olivander 😂😂😂

[fresh flower]

Sigh... Nice guys like me are harassed in this channel

[fresh flower]

That reminds me bro, it did form a crust but just for one day 💀

I kept tonguepunching my bottom teeth and it fell off

[woven quail]

Don’t listen to haters

[fresh flower]

We have to make dua for them

[woven quail]

Why

[mint parrot]

Olivander i remember you said yes to kiss the wall for us

[sweet wolf]

crust on your tongue?

[fresh flower]

"Us"

Broski I'd do anything for the Jews if they up my income

[fresh flower]

Idek if it was crust or just coagulation 💀

[turbid dome]

Hello I’m offering financial services please colonize Finland for me

[fresh flower]

I don't have a lisp anymore though praise Ram

[fresh flower]

AGAIN???😭🙏🏻

[turbid dome]

Ofc

[sweet wolf]

did you try doing a mike tyson impression while you still had the lisp

[mint parrot]

Bro made me a jew like being kurd is not enough 😔

[sweet wolf]

wasted opportunity if you didn't

[turbid dome]

We know you’re a Shia Jew Kurd

[mint parrot]

At the end I'm not arab so that's the whole point

[woven quail]

😂😂😂

[turbid dome]

😭😭😭😭

[woven quail]

At least I’m not Real Madrid fan that’s the whole point

[sweet wolf]

"watch me beat peter mcneeley on c*ck cable"

[lilac walrus]

hello

[turbid dome]

You could name a soccer team, that’s worse

[high raven]

How did it end though

[woven quail]

Thank God I’m not getting bullied by (lil kids scoring 4 or 5 goals against the club who have 16 champions )

[turbid dome]

“Anyone who thinks that orthodox Christianity doesn’t allow for homosexuality is stupid” or something idk

[high raven]

La hawla wala quwwata illa billah

[turbid dome]

Lmao my issue with soccer is there’s not enough concussions

[mint parrot]

Sana which side u agree with

Olivander or ruth

[woven quail]

Ure Muslim

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-can't-really-say-but-yes-yes-gif-3128548064505960675

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-joe-pesci-pesci-what-gif-10718026964868693743

[mint parrot]

That's not an answer

[high raven]

Both

[mint parrot]

How

[high raven]

Being gay itself isn't a sin, acting on it is, but it's also odd to say that "Being gay is okay" when the Bible/Torah/Quran clearly talks about lust

I have gay friends irl and they know I don't approve of what they do

[wet flax]

tho nobody said that

[high raven]

Oh no I wasn't referencing yalls conversation, I'm saying it in general

[sturdy mango]

Sanna

[wet flax]

okay

[high raven]

Salmon alaikum

[neon sierra]

yh its the same in islam

[sturdy mango]

Walaikum assalam

https://tenor.com/view/morning-vec50-gif-14735316062492909586

[high raven]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter to me, I don't believe that being gay makes you inherently worse than a straight person, nor that you're incapable of doing any less good 🤷🏽‍♀️

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/wendicagur-wendicagur4-wendicgr-wendicgr4-gif-16804366609095309084

[sturdy mango]

7 days more

[sweet wolf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/electro-boom-3

I am watching this guy rn to learn about op amps

[high raven]

Mehdi 😭

Learned a lot from him

[sweet wolf]

I love him so much

[neon sierra]

I just dont understand why people act like they will directly end up in hell

we all commit different types of sins

in islam we should repent for them

i am too tired to think 💀

goodnight sweet people

[woven quail]

2026 and ppl still celebrating valentines

[zinc patio]

👀

[sturdy mango]

Al @neon sierra @neon sierra Sawarim

[neon sierra]

DONTT PINGG ME WHEN I AM TRYING TO SLEEEPPPP @sturdy mango

[sturdy mango]

Why are u even using phone

[neon sierra]

I AM GOING TO WORK TOMORROW AND I GOT 1 MINUTE ON ME TO SLEEP OR ELSE I AM COOKED

[sturdy mango]

Go sleep turn off phone

[neon sierra]

SHUTT UPPPP DHEAD DONT PING ME

I NEED TO HAVE MY ⏰ ON

[sturdy mango]

[neon sierra]

IDIOTTTTT

[sturdy mango]

.

[sturdy mango]

.

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[sturdy mango]

.

[neon sierra]

deletes app

[feral river]

Make America Great Again

[sturdy mango]

Mashallah

Pigeon

[wind zephyr]

Is that for ur dinner?

[sturdy mango]

are u dumbass ?

[wind zephyr]

No

[sturdy mango]

it seems like you are

[wind zephyr]

How peigon taste btw

[feral river]

https://x.com/mrandyngo/status/2021792969888608262?s=46

Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo)

This is the type of social media content that is very popular with trans people online.

X · Feb 12, 2026, 3:46 AM

Bro learned how to make the government compromise to proletariants

Make America Great Again

[uncut tiger]

shabbat shalom

[wet flax]

okay, im not busy anymore, so out of fun.
the Old Testament is still very important to the Church. it is a part of the Churchs life. it is still considered to be the word of God.. the Church understands the old testament in a different way because of what Jesus Christ did. the Church does not think that the law is no longer important. it believes that the Law is complete and perfect, in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ Himself said in the gospel of Matthew that He did not come to get rid of the law but to make it complete. ve said 'I did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it' in the gospel of Matthew. the Old Testament and the law are still important because Jesus Christ fulfilled them.

the fulfillment of the law is about Jesus Christ. He is the one who makes the law truly meaningful.

when we talk about the Old Testament, people who study Orthodox theology think about the commandments in ways.
the commandments that tell us what is right and wrong like do not kill, do not cheat on your spouse and be fair are still important.

these rules are still good. Jesus Christ makes them even more important.

he wants people who believe in him to do what is right not just because they have to. because they really want to.

Jesus Christ wants to change our hearts and make us better people.
this is what it means to be saved, to know God, which is called theosis (Read St.Gregory of Naziance).

the law and Jesus Christ are connected the fulfillment means that the law reaches its purpose, in Jesus Christ.

the laws about rituals and ceremonies in the OT like the sacrifices and the rules about what people can eat are seen as things that pointed to Christ. when Christ was born and died and came back to life these laws were finally complete. the system of sacrifices is fulfilled by the one sacrifice that Christ made which is remembered in the Eucharist. the rules about being pure on the outside are no longer needed, because now people can be pure on the inside by saying sorry for what they have done and talking to God. Christ is the one who makes this possible. people can be close to God through repentance and communion, with Christ.

the laws that were given to Israel are not rules that the Church has to follow. These laws were part of an agreement that God made with Israel a long time ago. the Orthodox Church does not follow these laws exactly as they are written. instead tries to understand what they really mean in a spiritual sense (= fulfilled.) . the Church often learns what these laws mean by listening to the teachings of the Fathers. the laws of Israel are not something that the Church has to obey but the Orthodox Church still tries to learn from them and understand their spiritual meaning.

Saint Paul explains that the law served as a guide leading humanity to Christ. In the epistle to the galatians, he describes the law as a 'guardian' or 'tutor', preparing people for life in Christ. Salvation, therefore, is not achieved through legal observance, but through participation in divine grace.

from that, me using Leviticus as a way to disaprove your point which is

being gay, is a sin/forbidden in Christianity
which isnt, and i refuted these verses...

so, for romans, it is not about desire as i said, it was for ≈3 purposes;

• preventing Romans 2 & 3 = about idolatry, paganism
• without God, bad behaviors appears (Homosexuals desire, = also not forcely sexual)
• and the book is called ROMANS for a reason, it was destinated to the Church of Rome, that was illegal at that time, moreover were accepting gay marriage, gay sex, etc.

romans I is not forbidding desire, cause it just contradicts what sins is in christianity.

top 3 logical person indeed 😹😹✌🏻

[uncut tiger]

Tf ruth

[wet flax]

what

[uncut tiger]

You made Ollie's ragebait successful

[wet flax]

🤷🏻‍♀️

[high raven]

That's not Orthodox though

It's a revisionist interpretation

[wet flax]

im not putting orthodox views, just saying what orthodoxy teaches

if i would, i couldve quote Church Fathers

does not change anything tho

[gloomy frost]

Do you guys think anyone deserves anything?
Is it because of suffering, effort, or action? Or is it just a feeling?

[feral river]

You don’t deserve anything if you don’t have the power to hold it

You are nothing without power

Not all of the feelings that serves the best interest of an individual, you could use somebody’s weakness on feeling that make them feel bad while seeing if you are suffering

That only works on broke ass or stupid assh, real rich does not give a little fuck about it

Survival for the fittest

[thorny steeple]

Yes

I think people deserve a lot more

It's just normal human moral

If a child comes to me saying he's hungry, I would help.

But there will also be consequences for the same but it's about humanity.

[gloomy frost]

Does the child actually ‘deserve’ help, or is help just what can be done?

[gloomy frost]

So you're Absolutely dependent on power for identity/value.

But if everyone has some power, what’s the difference then?

[wet flax]

if the child 'does not' deserve any help, then you're implying he has to die

a life has a value, no matter if it is yours or not

[dreamy kite]

Hiii, how r u?

[toxic lake]

I believe everyone deserve happiness.
We are born from the factor outside of our own so, at least make this experience enjoyable.

[shell hemlock]

Even if they are someone like JE ?

[toxic lake]

Yes, even PDF deserves it but I won't allow them to r*pe kids tho.

[feral river]

The difference is mostly on how much power you have

You have more power that is more advantageous against other one, therefore you could change their life

[gloomy frost]

I’m not saying we shouldn’t help, just that ‘deserve’ doesn’t make it happen automatically.

[feral river]

You have the power to hold the gun, you could use it to do something crazy

That’s how power works

[shell hemlock]

I think differently but I can understand why you feel that way

[gloomy frost]

Do people actually get happiness just because they ‘deserve’ it, or is it something we can create or access?

[wet flax]

define deserving

[gloomy frost]

So your entire being depends on holding tools or resources, and if someone else has equal leverage, what defines your advantage?

[uncut tiger]

Define definition

[toxic lake]

Because the brain reward us for arbitrary criterias.
So, my answer is because we can access to it.

[gloomy frost]

Deserving? Sure. It's a social imposed wording. For example when someone works hard, they say you deserve to win.
It's basically what you're owed.

[gloomy frost]

So it isn't inherently deserved to get happiness?

It's just what happens.

[toxic lake]

Yes? Morality is subjective after all.

[turbid dome]

Define define

[gloomy frost]

Then when you said people "deserve" happiness, it's just assuming it’s owed.

While it's obviously not.

[toxic lake]

You asked about my world view, bro.

It isn't universal as you can see from LilyHru's response

[gloomy frost]

then it wouldn't make sense for you to say they deserve it.

And yet you did.

[wet flax]

its not always that,
'a person deserves the best love.'
yet it didnt work, or anything, it just, lived, and it's kind by nature, so you say that person deserves the best thing in the world

nothing imposed

its a natural feelings

[gloomy frost]

Sure, sure.
Do they actually get the best love because they deserve it, or because of circumstances and choices?

[wet flax]

because they deserve

[gloomy frost]

I did add feelings in my beginning of question.

[gloomy frost]

Why?

[wet flax]

its relative on a function of how you should work, someone spreading love, needs (deserve) love, someone that is kind, must have kindness in his life, its normal. nothing to question abt

[toxic lake]

It makes sense to me.
Like because someone is anti-vaxxers, doesn't mean they don't deserve to get the vaccine.
I see no contradiction here.

[gloomy frost]

but reality doesn’t automatically give what anyone deserves. It happens or it doesn’t, based on circumstances.
What's interesting is you're portraying that there's nothing to question about it? Why I can't question it?

[gloomy frost]

Sure, Again they don't "deserve" it, nothing is owed by reality, it happens or it doesn't.

[wet flax]

because deserve isnt an actions, its an assumption, you say it deserves, doesnt mean it has it already.

[toxic lake]

True. That's why we should make it better for all of us.

[covert quiver]

You’re a fat Chinese man who dates a femboy… you’re one to fucking talk

https://tenor.com/view/bye-felicia-good-goodbye-boy-gif-16829103292175160917

[gloomy frost]

It's an assumption, sure then it still frames reality and expectations in a moral way.

mental habit of thinking ‘they deserve love/happiness/help etc’ still shapes how we see the world.

[thorny coral]

What the hecky

What you guys on abt

[gloomy frost]

We can well according to you, Should, you can help If you want, but deserves means obligated from reality which isn't necessary supposed to happen.

[toxic lake]

Solvent succumbs to nihilism or something.

[gloomy frost]

wild assumptions.

[thorny coral]

?def nihilism

[cursive bobcat]

Word: nihilism

Definition 1 (noun): the delusion that things (or everything, including the self) do not exist; a sense that everything is unreal
Definition 2 (noun): a revolutionary doctrine that advocates destruction of the social system for its own sake
Definition 3 (noun): complete denial of all established authority and institutions

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by just_levi0792

[gloomy frost]

Bro just called me nihilistic for no apparent reason.

[toxic lake]

Eh, you type like one.

[gloomy frost]

What do you mean type like one?

[thorny coral]

Type like keyboard don't exist

[shell hemlock]

You are

[thorny coral]

[toxic lake]

then, what is your opinion on this topic?

[wet flax]

you are

[shell hemlock]

Probably he think his parents are a fiction of his imagination and that we’re living in the matrix

[wet flax]

you have literally the same moral and social characteristics of nihilistic philosophy

[gloomy frost]

Life doesn’t guarantee best outcomes based on virtue, it just happens or doesn’t.
In reality no one truly deserves anything, not even sadness nor happiness, they don't deserve to get hurt, nor they deserve to be saved.

[gloomy frost]

Provide evidence backing up your statement.

That’s just a label. I’m focused on patterns of thinking, not adopting a philosophy.

[wet flax]

your way of thinking.

[potent star]

If one is inclined towards a robustly mind independent construal of normative properties, the epistemology of moral realism becomes inescapably entangled with the broader meta ontological question of how epistemic access to irreducibly normative facts is even conceptually coherent within a naturalistic framework.

[gloomy frost]

Okay. Sure sure
but labeling requires more than interpretation. Can you show something independent of my reasoning?

[potent star]

The issue is not that merely whether propositions are truth apt but whether putative truthmakers for such propositions possess the kind of ontological status that permits reliable cognitive contact without collapsing into either quasi perceptional intuitionism or reductive naturalism

[shell hemlock]

I think he need someone to provide evidence backing up their statement guys

[potent star]

Tbh I’m logical anti realist

I’m beyond that I’m methodological anti realist

[gloomy frost]

That's an identity claim.

What made you type that?

We weren't judging you, Not sure why did you felt the need to type that.

[potent star]

I’m very confused by you

[gloomy frost]

You said you're beyond methodological anti realist, why did you say that?

That was irrelevant to the topic.

[potent star]

You seem strange and preemptively adversarial

[gloomy frost]

You're still not answering my question. Avoidance won't help you.

[potent star]

Actually I didn’t say I was beyond methodological anti realist I said I was beyond just a logical anti realist and believe in anti realism for all methodologies

[gloomy frost]

And why did you said it?

[potent star]

When I articulated that I am a methodological anti realist I was not introducing rhetorical distraction nor attempting to avoid any substance of your quite laymen and frankly derivative conversation. Rather I was marking distinctions at the level of meta methodological commitments. Commitments that require quite careful semantic unpacking

Also everyone here is extremely laymen on the subject of ethics

[gloomy frost]

Understood, but the point is, the conversation doesn’t depend on the label. Why did you feel it was important to state it?

[potent star]

This is category error that assumes causal relationship between my comments and your conversation

[gloomy frost]

I am not claiming a link between them.
Whether it’s a category error or not, the act of labeling still signals identity. That’s what I’m interested in.

[gloomy frost]

This statement seems to be aimed at status signalling than addressing the reasoning itself.

[potent star]

Well we’ll we’ll

But okay let’s talk about meta ethics then

[gloomy frost]

You still haven't answered my question. Why did you felt the need to type that?

[potent star]

You’re talking about normative ethics here right? More so you’re making a moral anti realism claim with regards to normative ethics?

[potent star]

You’re asking why make an identity claim after proposing a small abstract about anti realism?

You’re a bit dim

[gloomy frost]

We can get into meta-ethics later, but first I’m curious why you felt the need to insert that identity label.

[gloomy frost]

resorting to insult? Sure. If that helps.

[high raven]

Tsk tsk tsk that's not very nice

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-meme-reaction-emoji-nops-gif-15657180555152423963

[potent star]

It’s not an insult it’s a deduction based on your complete lack of understanding of why I made an identity claim about anti realism after typing out a meditation of moral realism

More specifically epistemology of moral realism

[gloomy frost]

Sure, that’s why I’m asking you.

I did not understood why you made an identity claim, Care to explain?

[potent star]

So you’re confused when someone types out an argument and then makes an identity claim at the end of the argument?

You’re very dim

[gloomy frost]

Not confused, just observing the behavior itself. why add a self identity label when it doesn’t advance the argument?

[potent star]

It does because asserts a presupposition to further the conversation

Identity claims are essentially philosophical isomorphisms to presuppositions which are essential

Are you a moron?

[gloomy frost]

Even if it’s philosophically framed, I’m still curious why you felt the need to insert a self-identity label.

[potent star]

Did you not understand a single thing I just said about identity claims being essential to presuppositions 😭

[gloomy frost]

The insult doesn’t answer the question, so I’m still curious about your choice.

[potent star]

Man you are quite dim

[gloomy frost]

I’m asking about motivation, not comprehension.

[potent star]

Motivation is comprehension for a philosophical mind these two things are biconditional.

The motivation is to assert a personal stance to frame a presupposition lol

[gloomy frost]

Can you explain how making the identity claim is functional for the conversation?

[potent star]

I just said it serves as a precursor to a presupposition I don’t know what else you want lol. Unless you’re asserting presuppositions aren’t useful or functional to conversation?

[gloomy frost]

That’s a semantic framing, I want to understand the actual role of the label.
And you still haven't provided it.

[potent star]

So you’re just going to flat out deny that it functions as a meta discursive locator that frames a presupposition and then say “bro it doesn’t have a role you’re avoiding the question” 😭

[gloomy frost]

Philosophical framing aside, does the label do anything the argument couldn’t without it?

[potent star]

Without explicit identification of my stance critique risks being interpreted as internal to a counter methodological framework rather than external to it. That specific distinction materially alters the inferential expectations placed upon my claims. Am internal critique accepts the legitimacy of the framework and disputes conclusions within it. A meta level critique interrogates the frameworks justificatory status itself

This guy is making bad argument meta ethical argument for god. He needs to make thomistic argument

[gloomy frost]

You’ve justified necessity in theory, I’m asking about observable, functional impact in this discussion.

[gloomy frost]

Changing topics doesn’t answer why the label was added.

[potent star]

Are you saying the conversation doesn’t benefit from preventative measures against category errors?

[potent star]

I can have two conversations at once

[gloomy frost]

That’s unrelated to my question. What practical role does the identity claim serve?
You clearly said “I’m beyond just a logical anti-realist / I’m methodological anti-realist / etc.”
That's what I am interested in.

[potent star]

So prevention of category errors doesn’t play a practical role now 😭

[gloomy frost]

You can multitask great for you, But that's irrelevant to the question I was asking.

[gloomy frost]

You said "I am beyond" that's what I am interested in.

[shell hemlock]

Brother this was said like half an hour ago why are you still on about this

[potent star]

The beyond part was to assert a level of anti realism beyond just moral anti realism which could tie into other aspects of the epistemology dialectic

[potent star]

I mean you literally accused me of avoiding because I made a comment about Thomistic arguments to a totally different discussion

[thorny steeple]

Ask that to yourself

I'm not a mirror for your conscience

[gloomy frost]

Even if your first statement about presuppositions could be functional, the extra “I’m beyond…” is not required for clarity or argument.

[potent star]

It absolutely is because it asserts a level skepticism beyond just moral anti realism which is pertinent to the conversation of epistemology…

[gloomy frost]

I’m asking about the actual effect of the label in this conversation whether it’s tied to epistemology or not, what does it accomplish here?

[potent star]

It accomplishes a non domain specific assertion. Meaning im not just a moral anti realist. Im an anti realist to all methodologies

Which is absolutely pertinent to epistemology considering how much they intersect

Moral realism and logical realism are not orthogonal

[gloomy frost]

it’s about signaling intellectual scope rather than affecting the conversation itself. Sure.

[potent star]

Actually it has to do with cross domain implications

Which prevent category errors which is extremely pertinent to the dialect

You can reframe it in your own head as rhetorical which is actually fine. But it’s not and I take this as a concession

[gloomy frost]

I’m observing the identity claim itself, the functional effect in the conversation, not cross-domain implications.

[gloomy frost]

Reframing it rhetorically doesn’t address my question about the practical effect of the label.

[potent star]

You’re saying cross domain implications aren’t related to functionality of conversation when I attempted to start a conversation about epistemology? What?

You can’t make assertion about pragmatism of a comment if you didn’t let it play out into a dialectic where it’s effects are observable. As in cross domain arguments.

[gloomy frost]

I’ve explored what I wanted to observe in this conversation. I’m done discussing identity claims or their justifications. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

[potent star]

You never refuted my diachronic dialectic claim. Pragmatic assessment requires dialectical unfolding which has context driven arguments tied to identity claims

[gloomy frost]

I’m not engaging with abstract dialectics or identity justifications anymore. I’m done discussing this conversation. Thanks for your input.

[potent star]

I’ve been meditating on the epistemology of the real numbers. More specifically how it connects to completeness axiom and Cauchy sequences in R.

How do we know that there exists real numbers that are not Cauchy? The entirety of R is constructed by Cauchy sequence. But what if some metaphysical number exists outside. This is why I’m strictly a constructivist.

[woven quail]

What’s happening here

[potent star]

I suppose classical mathematics doesn’t claim that Cauchy construction exhausts metaphysical number space. Rather that any two order fields are isomorphic. But the better question is whether construction defines ontology or rather approximates it

[gloomy frost]

This conversation is over. I’m not entertaining further identity flexing or semantic gymnastics.

[potent star]

Wow who said the construction of the real numbers was identity flexing or semantic gymnastics?

I think the construction of the real numbers is quite important. Especially in the context of calculus

I’m just meditating on whether or not mathematical existence outruns axiomatic structure

[thorny steeple]

I'm pretty sexy

[potent star]

Yes papi

[woven quail]

Bro have 2 roles to play

[crystal kayak]

You converted to Christianity.Congratulations

[feral river]

You are an assh who speaks piece of shit over nothing should I call you are a freak again ?

[crystal kayak]

Ahhh.question do you ever see yourself converting to Christianity or islam in the future

Which prophet

Why do you say threat? Is converting to Christianity or islam a bad thing

As far as I know the bible doesn't say that the prophet is a scammer

[dusk ruin]

He can be a doctor too

[crystal kayak]

I don't know bruh but we as Muslim respect Jesus.

Why do you view religion as a threat

We as Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet not a God.

How is it a waste of time though.we don't spend 24hrs praying,we are just like you but we believe in God

No he was not perfect.He was a human too but God made prophets not to commit major sins but they could commit some minor errors

As they are human too

In a good away yes

[shell hemlock]

Muslims love Jesus btw

[toxic lake]

Does that include Muhammad?

[shell hemlock]

Yes

[toxic lake]

Fair enough

[crystal kayak]

Yeah

[cerulean pivot]

No

[crystal kayak]

It does bruh

We are talking about little errors that are not even related to revelations or him spreading the message.

[high rapids]

Islam is such a peaceful religion

[cerulean pivot]

We don't believe in this

Ik y'all sunnies do

[crystal kayak]

Do shias believe,he didn't make a single little error.I didn't know that

[high raven]

All prophets, the twelve imams and Fatimah

[toxic lake]

Basically Shia believes who receive divine revelation is infallible?

[crystal kayak]

Didn't know.New knowledge acquired

[toxic lake]

So... which one is correct? or this is both true and false at the same time.

[high raven]

No, they believe that anyone who has been divinely appointed by Allah to guide people in religious truth as infallible, which extends to not just prophets but also the twelve imams

Fatimah is neither of those though and I don't exactly remember why she's included

[toxic lake]

What is difference between prophets and imams?
Didn't they both receive revelation from God?

[high raven]

Imams did not receive revelations no

All aspects of life

[graceful marlin]

Islam promotes peace and justice and violance when needed.

[graceful marlin]

From what?

[toxic lake]

I read a bit about Twelver.
All of them didn't die to old age.
Allah don't even spare suffering from The chosen one.

[high rapids]

Thats a good joke

[woven quail]

😂😂😂

[glacial osprey]

Muslims dont say jesus was a scammer they literally believe he is the messiah

[graceful marlin]

How that's a good joke!

[glacial osprey]

You just convert and thats it like aint nobody gonna kill you bruh

[graceful marlin]

Come to ask a muslim, and prove that

[glacial osprey]

Yes we do believe he is false

[sturdy mango]

whats the topic of today

[graceful marlin]

I challange you I will refute all these claims about him.

Come to ask a muslim

[marble seal]

Obviously he's viewed as a false prophet by the church

[high raven]

That was funny to read

[empty plaza]

That's just what Christian theology is tho?? Not "its true because many christians believe"

[fresh flower]

On the holy spirit I cannot tell if you're being serious or not

Did you just say that being gay isn't a sin in Christianity and that you refute those verses?

When did the update come where Orthodox Christians can refute verses they disagree with?

"Romans I is not forbidding desire, cause it just contradicts what sins is in christianity."

My heretic the verse literally says

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

[glacial osprey]

Bruh

[gloomy frost]

Damn.

[high raven]

"My heretic" is insane 😭

[fresh flower]

It's literally heresy

Refuting the word of God as a supposedly Orthodox Christian is BONKERS

[pseudo flume]

Shabbat sholom

[wind zephyr]

What is this?

[slow yoke]

how is related to be antisemitic ?

?def antisemitic

[cursive bobcat]

Word: antisemitic

Definition (adjective): relating to or characterized by anti-Semitism; hating Jews

Definition requested by a770070

[pseudo flume]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-infowars-chew-jew-jewish-gif-12295419607760287413

[slender coral]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DUqY6YxCYKY/?igsh=anN0N3Q4Y2FxcnF0

[zinc patio]

why serious?

[unkempt moon]

Which parts of your debates are about being right and which parts are about being seen as the kind of person who is right?

[high rapids]

@fresh flower How are you

[fresh flower]

99.5% of "debates" here are "I'm right and you're dumb"

I'm the 0.5%

[fresh flower]

Good wbu kitten

[high rapids]

I´m glad too hear that, I´m doing well thanks for asking

[fresh flower]

Wyd for valentines day 👀👀👀

[unkempt moon]

Is that so?

[fresh flower]

Stick around and you'll see bro

People here are vry mean they immediately resort to insults 😞

[high rapids]

I'm going to spend the day learning Chinese. What are you doing?

[unkempt moon]

Expected

[toxic lake]

Don't believe him!
Only true intellect here is Minecraft.

[high rapids]

Minecraft should be mod

[prisma cipher]

Or banned

[unkempt moon]

Who is that?

[lime jewel]

someonee have done the Cambridge exam here ? To certificate your english level ?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[lime jewel]

You have it in C1 ?

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[wet flax]

the type of sin in christianity is not the desire it is the act, you just put a lust pic but yk its bc you're gay that you have lust in your eyes, its literally proving my point :

without God, some behaviors appears without your choice

you call me heretic yet you're just the one contradicting the Church, im saying being gay is not a sin, yes, though im not saying its good to act upon it.

"Romans I is not forbidding desire, cause it just contradicts what sins is in christianity."

My heretic the verse literally says

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

no. you're just misundersting romans I im crine like it is really saying acts, or sexual relations, i cant 😹😹

is it hard to understand ?

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

why are you fucking illiterate

[wind zephyr]

Who read these long paragraphs

[wet flax]

also, no councils forbid of being, it forbids gay marriages

just read the canons and stop being fucking illiterate

[wind zephyr]

Holy hell

[wind zephyr]

I wish to illerate than reading these long religious books

[wet flax]

Refuting the word of God as a supposedly Orthodox Christian is BONKERS
im not refuting the verses as
"to change the words"
i use refuting as a word to say 'understand' more, not denying the words, so no.im not heretic

though you're the one i can call, being anathema

[wet flax]

you're just an ignorant person

[wind zephyr]

Mmm

[shell hemlock]

No one forced you to be on Discord btw

[wind zephyr]

Fact

[wet flax]

real shit

olivander is just being illiterate and dumb

but ig it is the top 3 logical person here 😹😹😹✌🏻

[uncut tiger]

@wet flax can you explain to me the contradiction here, I dont seem to understand

[wet flax]

?

which

[uncut tiger]

ollie's mistake

[uncut tiger]

.

[wet flax]

yes so?

he is illiterate, and stupid in his way of thinking

[uncut tiger]

yeah so whats wrong with his claim, he showed you a verse in which hommosexuality is discouraged

[cerulean pivot]

He's genuinely asking u about stuff u believe in
Toxic is the target not oli

Don't throw your insecurities on people

[wet flax]

he used that verses wrong, it is not saying being gay is a sin

though he uses it to follow his path, which is not true

he is fucking wrong, he didnt read any orthodox books and anything on my theology

[uncut tiger]

I just read it again, and in one part it says _ Men committed shameful acts with other men_

isnt this discouragement

[wet flax]

'committed' it is the act

[cerulean pivot]

We don't have to read the manga to watch the anime

[uncut tiger]

what point are you trying to make please elaborate

[wet flax]

that being isnt a sin

nor forbidden anywhere

[cerulean pivot]

Oli shaming her for being a lesbian meanwhile her religion forbid the act of it not the idea

Tho she do practice the acts

[uncut tiger]

so you do agree that it is discouraged?

[shell hemlock]

It’s not necessarily a sin it’s just discouraged iirc

Cuz you’re supposed to repopulate

And ya can’t do that between same* genders

[cerulean pivot]

It's not haram it's Makroh ahh

[shell hemlock]

Tbh it’s complicated

[uncut tiger]

youre NOT a good mooselum if you do makruh stuff everyday

[shell hemlock]

But I don’t think any abrahamic religions let you do that stuff

[uncut tiger]

and ig it works da same way in christianity

[shell hemlock]

Like being homosexual

[wet flax]

ofc

[cerulean pivot]

U won't die if u hold your thing until the day of judgment

[wet flax]

wait ? being? no it isnt

it is not encouraged nor discouraged

its a desire, you dont choose to be

[shell hemlock]

It is lowkey

[cerulean pivot]

Were talking about fucking

[wet flax]

for you, not for christianity

[uncut tiger]

but it literally uses the word 'shameful' to describe it tho

[wet flax]

yeah, if then yeah

[uncut tiger]

how is it not discouraged

[shell hemlock]

In Christianity same thing, I don’t know about orthodox though

[toxic lake]

It will be miserable life though.

[wet flax]

no

[cerulean pivot]

Depends

[wet flax]

in christianity being something isnt a sin

[shell hemlock]

It’s okay to admit it

[wet flax]

being gay isnt a sin, cause you dont choose to be

however acting upon your homosexuality

is.

[uncut tiger]

"Men committed shameful acts with other men"

[shell hemlock]

Isn’t that pretty much the same 😔

[wet flax]

COMMITTED

omfg

[wet flax]

i mean not bc youre gay that you practice sodomy

[uncut tiger]

its the same

[cerulean pivot]

Not really

[fallow shard]

😭

[wet flax]

it is only if you want to

[shell hemlock]

Are you gonna get lavender marriage

[wet flax]

you dont have to have sexual intercourse duh

[toxic lake]

It isn't. Because you have urge to do something, doesn't mean you will do it.

[wet flax]

by not having sex

[toxic lake]

gay incel?

[wet flax]

.

[shell hemlock]

So what you guys do then

[uncut tiger]

youre just asexual

[wet flax]

oh wow what is that fucking education

[cerulean pivot]

Dawg not every gay has a bf
Same thing with straight people

U don't

[wet flax]

i sinned with my gf, i dont deny that, so?

[uncut tiger]

well straight ppl do have seggs at least once

unless youre newton and gonna die a virgin

[wet flax]

not everyone

sex isnt necessary

[toxic lake]

Not me at least lol

[cerulean pivot]

U could never

[shell hemlock]

That’d make more sense

[uncut tiger]

so are you gonna stay virgin your whole life?

[shell hemlock]

You’re not even allowed to marry each other cuz you gay and stuff

[wet flax]

i lost my virginity way before knowing i was lesbian bro

[cerulean pivot]

Is that a sin or something 🤔

[wet flax]

yeah..

[uncut tiger]

so youre gonna do discouraged stuff

does that make you a bad christian

[shell hemlock]

But you are 18

So you did it before you turned 18

[cerulean pivot]

You'll get banned again mate

[wet flax]

bro acting upon your homosexuality is NOT discouraged, it is FORBIDDEN

[wet flax]

yeah

[shell hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-gif-3799483293319009427

[wet flax]

was like 16

[uncut tiger]

so youre gonna do stuff that is forbidden in christianity?

[wet flax]

there is not bad or good christian

[wet flax]

ill put extreme boundaries

[wet flax]

we all are sinners, we just want the same thing, heaven.

[shell hemlock]

Bruh even I call myself a bad Muslim, it’s fine to admit it

[uncut tiger]

only finger or smth

[wet flax]

.

[uncut tiger]

well you said extreme boundaries

[cerulean pivot]

You're talking with stranger women now without any reason which is haram in Islam
Nobody is perfect

[uncut tiger]

its not haram if i cant see her

[wet flax]

no, cause christianity is a relationship with God, some struggle, some dont, it is just if the lamb is lost, then we (christians) will help our brother/sister to be better in his relationship

[uncut tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-think-meme-intelligence-common-sense-gif-8946867

[cerulean pivot]

Jew sideways

[toxic lake]

loophole nice what's next?

[wet flax]

i'd say i struggle with a lot of things yeah, doesnt make me a bad christian

a bad christian would not be christian

like the lukewarms

[lilac fable]

hi

[uncut tiger]

do you agree that being homosexual is not a good thing according to christian scriptures

[shell hemlock]

Reminds me of this pic

[wet flax]

i dont have an opinion. it is not encouraged to act upon it.
it isnt discouraged cause God doesnt condemns you for the things you cant choose.

[uncut tiger]

if it is not encouraged then it is discouraged

[wet flax]

?

yeah, that's what im saying.

[uncut tiger]

arent you choosing to act on it

[wet flax]

indeed

[uncut tiger]

yoou have a gf

livin the lesbian life on full blast

[wet flax]

doesnt mean i had sex with her

[uncut tiger]

.

[toxic lake]

Um, isn't hell a place where condemned go?

[shell hemlock]

You literally said you did

[wet flax]

orthodox doctrine doesnt condemn loving, just gay sex and gay marriage