🧠｜serious-chat

[pseudo flume]

It was goverment data

[midnight badge]

im talking about the recent one

[lunar crown]

It's either 1.5 or 2nd

[midnight badge]

govt and police both r fked up in India

[pseudo flume]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[pseudo flume]

Yes, tax players are getting scammed by the system lol

[midnight badge]

and im talking about your data u shared 2023-2024

[pseudo flume]

West consider it as a developing country which is synonym for 3rd world, but i suspect your country is a falling country

[midnight badge]

that's why i will try my best to leave india

😂

[lunar crown]

Ig it's part of economic cycle

[pseudo flume]

Your country is still among the most powerful nations, being part of security council of UN is pretty lit

[midnight badge]

let's see what's gonna happen with the recent india-eu trade

[lunar crown]

Who cares about the UN tho

[pseudo flume]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-hell-nahh-aww-hell-aww-hell-nahh-gif-9659330954843262630

[lunar crown]

And who cares about Russia in UN

[pseudo flume]

Please don't, india is the best country ever, you should not leave it

[high raven]

Do you plan on going to Canada or Germany?

[lunar crown]

Do not redeem the card

[pseudo flume]

That's racist

[midnight badge]

Bhutan it's peace there

😇

[pseudo flume]

Wow, curve ball

[high raven]

Why? They're very popular picks for Indians

[pseudo flume]

Entire world does

[lunar crown]

Tibetan monastery is the only way

[midnight badge]

my relatives lives in germany, canada , USA & japan

[lunar crown]

Because the entire world depends on our energy sources?

[midnight badge]

are u ruski?

[lunar crown]

Yes

[pseudo flume]

I got relatives only in UK and middle east, how muslim of me (I'm Atheist)

[lunar crown]

I got only in Germany and South Korea

[pseudo flume]

Because you guys can change big UN resolutions

It's literally my cousin 😭

[sturdy mango]

Hi make me PM of endia

Proud endian 🤙🏼

[lunar crown]

The hypocrites from Europe are in charge so I don't believe it

[midnight badge]

Ruski 🔥

[pseudo flume]

Ukraine isn't the part of security council

[high raven]

Good countries to live in! There's a small diaspora of Indians in Sweden, an even smaller one here in Norway

The majority work in engineering

[lunar crown]

I'm talking about Germany, the UK and Belgium

[midnight badge]

hell nah not sweden

[lunar crown]

They say that Russia is a threat to Greenland while the actual threat is the US

[high raven]

It's not that cold if that's what you're thinking

[pseudo flume]

It's racist

To everyone

[lunar crown]

And now they call China to invest in Europe

[sturdy mango]

He is worried about @fresh flower

[high raven]

If anything, "cold" should be attractive to Indians. You can put on more clothes at -10°C, you can't take off more clothes at 40°C

[sturdy mango]

[pseudo flume]

Also they eat fish pickles in Nordic countries

@high rapids is the most European of all Europeans here

[lunar crown]

I wonder if he's still nationalist

[pseudo flume]

Always been

@midnight badge your Spotify name is hilarious

[midnight badge]

Im thinking abt my 60s. I would rather live in peace. I already have acres of land in the moutains

[midnight badge]

predator? i don't even remember

[pseudo flume]

Yes

[midnight badge]

need to change

sus predator

💀

[devout estuary]

See! That's the problem with people like you.

You cry foul for everything that the current Govt. of India does.

You cry when they're pressured to leave India - You cry whenever they're deported (Human rights are cited in these cases).

You cry when the central govt. takes charge and orders the state govt. of West Bengal with direction to provide assistance for Border Fencing for BSF. - You would CRY foul if the central govt. declare President's Rule in the state of West Bengal for making sure the Border Fencing by BSF is concluded (High risk of National Security)(The current Government of West Bengal is dependent on the Muslim Vote Bank and they can't piss off a certain community which leads to a lot of infiltration).

[pseudo flume]

Please do it before leaving the country

[devout estuary]

Other challenges:

Complex Nationality Verification: A major, long-term challenge is establishing the nationality of suspects, as many enter without documents. Deportation requires a "green signal" from Bangladesh, a process that can take months.

Reluctance in Cooperation: Indian officials have noted that, at times, Bangladeshi authorities have been reluctant to accept that the suspected individuals are their citizens, sometimes even declaring deported individuals to be Indian citizens, resulting in legal disputes.

Legal and Judicial Hurdles: The deportation process is a long-drawn legal procedure under the Foreigners Act, 1946. Many immigrants challenge their detention in Indian high courts, and the Gauhati High Court has previously ordered the release of those held for over two years in detention centers.

Border Geography and Security Gaps: The 4,096 km border includes difficult, unfenced riverine sections and dense jungles that are challenging to man round-the-clock, aiding illegal, clandestine entry.

Document Forgery and Identification Issues: The widespread use of forged documents (Aadhaar cards, voter IDs) makes it difficult to distinguish between illegal immigrants and Indian citizens. Furthermore, Bengali-speaking populations in border states share similar dialects, leading to challenges in distinguishing Indian Bengalis from Bangladeshi Bengalis.

Lack of Formal Extradition Treaty: India and Bangladesh do not have a formal extradition or specific deportation treaty with detailed, streamlined guidelines for large-scale repatriation of undocumented migrants.

Long-Term Residence and Integration: Many alleged illegal immigrants have been living in India for generations, making their deportation legally and socially complex.

[midnight badge]

i will do plastic surgery & voice surgery before leaving india

[devout estuary]

After you're done reading this, try not to be the keyboard warrior/activist that you're and go through the challenges the Govt. of India faces in the due process and how the legal complexity is created furthermore when various political parties such as INC,AIMIM (to save the vote bank) and a few more Islamic societies (Jamiat Ulama E Hind, Association for Protection of Civil Rights - famous for funding legal aid for anti social elements) come in file affidavits and implead to be party in such cases which further delays the entire legal process.

I know it's difficult for you to understand the current political scenario of India as you need to come out of your echo chamber.

[midnight badge]

😂

[pseudo flume]

I shouldn't have said that

[high raven]

Jai shri chatgpt

[pseudo flume]

So my crying is enough to stop goverment from enforcing law and order?

I prefer being called Mormon

[uncut tiger]

Indian politics in serious chat was the LAST thing I wanted to see

My new wallpaper

[midnight badge]

the prblm is that there are many illegal torkish blood in India but the rate of deportation is very low. the govt should enforce the law more strictly and stop listening to human rights. They should a create proper big ass detention facility and throw them into it

[uncut tiger]

Deportation from India

Please deport me from India to US 😊 😊

[pseudo flume]

If it's this hard to verify someone is bangladeshi, how do you know if someone is from Bangladesh?? Can you please provide a goverment data about it, or it's all based on anecdotal evidence?

[pseudo flume]

How do you know it's many

[sturdy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-dance-trump-2024-trump-gif-12734161508561409577

[high raven]

That's around 1.1% of India

[midnight badge]

that 1% makes a lot of difference

especially in India

[pseudo flume]

I was wondering which sources did Mr Jaiswal and Rijiju cited

[midnight badge]

who knows but that's all we know

[frozen cape]

source: trust me bro

[midnight badge]

this is so old ass joke. pls come up with smth new

[frozen cape]

i will as soon as you come up with their sources 😏

[sturdy mango]

That figure was never backed by census data
even the Home Ministry admits that there’s no accurate count of illegal Bangladeshis in india It’s an estimate

[midnight badge]

go read wat i wrote

[frozen cape]

also i wasn't joking

[turbid dome]

Political guy says thing, fails to cite anything

[midnight badge]

that's what i said before

[sturdy mango]

So what's the problem

[midnight badge]

i dunno these stupid ppl lol they think they really smart ass

[sturdy mango]

Who

Me is smart jew

Shabbat shalom

[midnight badge]

anti & martini

[frozen cape]

you're one to talk, you've yet to prove that you're not

[midnight badge]

lol

[midnight badge]

read the whole chat dumbo

[turbid dome]

Damn, I’m sorry I won’t question the government when no data is provided. Long live the government!

Lmao

[frozen cape]

i did dumbo, you couldn't even link that article that you were quoting lol

[sturdy mango]

I don’t really buy into nationalism in general

[midnight badge]

keep ur eyes open

will be good for u

https://tenor.com/view/severus-snape-snape-pity-harry-potter-gif-25090115

[turbid dome]

Yeah, you realize that means you’re just uncritically accepting a source

[midnight badge]

😂 keep up kiddo

[turbid dome]

One day I hope your education system improves so a more intelligent conversation could be had.

[midnight badge]

rn't u the one who isn't able to comprehend what i wrote before? Don't be over confidence

[pseudo flume]

I suspect it's not a satisfactory source

India minister Jaiswal taken to court over 'sexist' remark - BBC News https://share.google/dKR9VtPcbQMRvUGiG

[turbid dome]

You’re unable to comprehend that your worldview is reliant on something you can’t even verify lmao

[pseudo flume]

The other guy was accused of 45,000 Million rupees scam

[turbid dome]

Tbf scammers see like a reliable source right?

[pseudo flume]

An establishment or organisation would have been more satisfactory, quoting someone's words aren't a great source

[turbid dome]

Using the word more is quite generous, taking any politician at their word is about the same as thinking Trump is honest

[pseudo flume]

Most politicians are scammers, even in your country

[turbid dome]

99% of all politicians and 100% of American politicians ngl

[pseudo flume]

Leave zoru alone

[midnight badge]

tbh no one really cares about all these things. It’s common across all political parties.
as i said before we can just go with the numbers since we don’t have any official deportation data and no government share the data or any kind of source.
and honestly getting an adhar card in India is easy.you just need to pay around ₹5000. That’s how fked up the system is.

Even the America can't show you the actual data of illegal mexicans. No country will show you the actual data

[turbid dome]

No he’s betraying Palestine

[turbid dome]

So because there’s no data, you default to believing a politician saying something with no proof?

[inner anvil]

Damn. This is why general chat dead.

[inner anvil]

Take me

[midnight badge]

😂 I said you need to go with the data of the government not your own random numbers

[pseudo flume]

No we can't just go with the numbers cited by politicians

Q. 1247 Deportation of Bangladeshis https://share.google/MJtkajZglN18yvAgb

[midnight badge]

yes we can

[slender coral]

Holy fuck 💀
Is this real?

The code’s rules about slavery and religious discrimination are especially troubling. Several articles use the word “slave” many times, and the code separates “free” people from “slaves” in legal terms. This marks the legal acceptance of slavery in Afghanistan.
https://thediplomat.com/2026/01/taliban-introduce-new-criminal-code-in-afghanistan/

[pseudo flume]

This was official gov data

[midnight badge]

show the data of 2024

[pseudo flume]

India ‘pushing back’ Bangladeshis held without documents - The Hindu https://share.google/6UEh5jUR560nc8vgm

[midnight badge]

i dunno why r u showing me

[turbid dome]

“Government” = whatever som guy holding a position of power says

[midnight badge]

2011 data

[sturdy mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852805796789354496/1397658882834432100/1078310195169595443.gif

[pseudo flume]

This was unofficial cited by a big news agency

[midnight badge]

you are not making any sense witih the data of 2011

[pseudo flume]

@midnight badge this is from 2025

[midnight badge]

source - article ?

aren't you the one who believe in the officla data?

verified data

[turbid dome]

Ngl idk, there may be a Taliban law translate or a website where they upload their laws online, you may be able to find and verify

[pseudo flume]

Big news agencies are better than corrupt and sexist politician, I hope third worlders get smart enough to understand this

[midnight badge]

still won 't make any sense

[slender coral]

Idk if these cavemen have something like this.

[pseudo flume]

Read properly

[midnight badge]

if you are asking for verified and official data then come up with the same thing

[turbid dome]

I just got off the phone with Prime Minister Modi. According to the prime minister, @pseudo flume is right.

[midnight badge]

that's what i also said before

we will be in the loop ig

[pseudo flume]

You also said by default we should trust words of politicians who lack credibility because of corruption and sexist remarks

[midnight badge]

so you can believe in that and i can believe in that

[pseudo flume]

I'd rather say shit hole

[turbid dome]

I think I saw a pdf of a translated Taliban law once but Idk, may be hard to find.

Also don’t insult cavemen.

[midnight badge]

if it's all about believing in source

[pseudo flume]

Fair enough

[sturdy mango]

[pseudo flume]

Feels good to not support corruption and sexism

[real lily]

What are you guys talking about

[midnight badge]

👍

[pseudo flume]

Third worlders wouldn't understand it

[sturdy mango]

hi myself jew i feel attacked

[midnight badge]

https://tenor.com/view/osho-democracy-regarded-but-the-people-are-regarded-osho-democracy-gif-9277714038565725969

[pseudo flume]

As you should

[sturdy mango]

ajeeb_bkl

anti septic

[pseudo flume]

Isn't it the guy who used bio weapons to rigg american elections?

[sturdy mango]

🤬

[real lily]

I love this quote

[turbid dome]

I think finally we’ve reached agreement, in a different way

[midnight badge]

i don't think so. made up sh*t by american politics

[pseudo flume]

Also immigration fraud and best tool for diaz

[midnight badge]

i only care abt his perspective

[real lily]

Democracy basically means: Government by the people, of the people, for the people.... but the people are ret*rded.

[sturdy mango]

there is nothing like democracy , its just mordern slavery

[real lily]

Am I on r/conspiracy again

[midnight badge]

let's create meritocracy

[turbid dome]

Every time someone says this 😭😭😭

[real lily]

Why do you think you'd be allowed to vote in a meritocracy

[sturdy mango]

you mean just by talent ?

[midnight badge]

the same way in democracy but based on their skills and qualification

[real lily]

By what merit, I don't think they'd allow self proclaimed enlightened people to choose the govt. in any form

[turbid dome]

Meritocracy = idk wtf I’m saying I just want to say I want competent people in government and clearly everyone else doesn’t and so these other government systems clearly aren’t attempts to create a competent leadership 😭

[sturdy mango]

It ignores the fact that classism, racism and sexism can affect where you start out and how you do

[pseudo flume]

He was convicted of immigration fraud btw, it wasn't allegation it was conviction

Ma anand shela also accepted the bio attack as far as I can recall

[real lily]

yes but why do you think you make the cut

[sturdy mango]

make me leader i'll nuke 🇮🇱

[pseudo flume]

@turbid dome we should do the same, immigration fraud, let's bring Diaz to the land of Free

[turbid dome]

W

[pseudo flume]

Great business btw

[sturdy mango]

fair enough

[turbid dome]

Bet, but I think before we bring Diaz to the land of the free we should give me time to get out

[midnight badge]

again i can't trust on that. He was banned in most of the country and I think politician will do anything to get rid off it

[real lily]

It's the same logic as when people say we need to go back in time, why do you think you'd be the nobility or the elite, you could be born as a slave

It's like people have this ability to assign privilege to themselves

[turbid dome]

I’m tired of freedom ngl it’s time for tyranny

[sturdy mango]

banned in most of the country ** due to some reason ofc**

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[real lily]

Why

[turbid dome]

Considering the “yes I will believe what you say Mr politician” attitude they would end up subservient

[real lily]

You'd have to bomb Japan too

[turbid dome]

Tbf the biggest issue is the US supporting them

So nuke the US first please

[real lily]

Yes I agree to that sentiment

Bomb US, UK and UAE

[midnight badge]

nah we need to set up some minimum eligibility criteria to be a PM and president and based on the minimum criteria people can select them

[midnight badge]

atheism lol

[turbid dome]

Those already exist

[real lily]

The first criteria should be not being a p*dophile

[midnight badge]

🤣

[real lily]

And Middle East

[sturdy mango]

Why would they ban him for being atheist, doesn't make sense at all

[real lily]

😭

[midnight badge]

ppl giving him everything and religion plays a vital role in politics

[real lily]

Isn't Osho a cult leader

[midnight badge]

have you read any book of him?

or listen to his videos?

[real lily]

I've watched Children of the cult

[midnight badge]

that's not even his book or video

[shy summit]

Please do not advocate violence against countries or ppl, even in jest

[shy summit]

Applies to you too

[real lily]

I know some random tidbits about him, he doesn't portray a good picture though, some say he was running a s*x cult?

[shy summit]

It really shouldn’t tho

[real lily]

I'll keep that in mind

[pseudo flume]

He was convicted of immigration fraud by the US government btw

Convict = guilty of a crime

[thorny steeple]

Whose that

[pseudo flume]

They didn't just deport him because he was loved and gov was jealous

[real lily]

Osho

[shy summit]

Yeah conviction usually requires a jury and trial

[pseudo flume]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-is-going-on-here-gif-20287855

[midnight badge]

politics is just another name of religion
it goes in hand in hand

[shy summit]

Religion requires belief in the supernatural by definition

[midnight badge]

and i don't care about US government but the only thing I can say about his world pov

[pseudo flume]

Fair enough

[shy summit]

Politics doesn’t by definition demand a belief in the supernatural

Thus

[midnight badge]

religion is based on belief system and the same is true of politics

[shy summit]

Politics is just the interaction of people

[real lily]

He wasn't convicted, he was indicted.
"An indictment is a formal accusation or charge of a crime, marking the beginning of a criminal case, whereas a conviction is the final determination of guilt, usually following a trial or plea."

In 1985, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho) was indicted for conspiracy to commit immigration fraud, specifically regarding sham marriages to help foreign followers secure U.S. residency, and for making false statements to immigration officials

[shy summit]

Politics - The interaction of people, governments and power.

Religion - The Belief in the supernatural.

[sturdy mango]

Who was / is the best politician according to you

[shy summit]

That’s like saying what’s the best flavor of ice cream

[sturdy mango]

Chocolate

[midnight badge]

religion is too
religion is similar. in politics ppl believe that a politician will do what they promise. they try their best to gain the trust of civilians. in the same way religion is based on belief. many religion include belief in supernatural power and serveral don't. i'm refering to the general idea of religion not the abrahamic concept

[shy summit]

See? It’s reletive

[midnight badge]

i don't really care. i just listen to him

and read his book

but it's been a while

[sturdy mango]

i am just trying to make this chill chat

[sturdy mango]

LMAFAO

[pseudo flume]

Vanilla is best ngl

[sturdy mango]

chocolate >>

[shy summit]

Politics isn’t a belief. It’s a concept term that simply describes and encompasses the interactions of people.

Religion is definitionally required to have a belief in the supernatural.

Politics is a term used to describe a sum total of observations.

You may be mistaking politics with various political values or personal politics

[real lily]

You can take parts of your ideologies from places books and leaders

Doesn't mean they have to be idolised, or a proof that they're a good person.

[shy summit]

Politics is a subject term

Like science or math

It’s literally a subject of study not a particular value set

[midnight badge]

bhai as I already said your defination of religion is based on the abrahmic concept. There are many religion which isn't based on the "supernatural" concept

[shy summit]

?def religion

[cursive bobcat]

Word: religion

Definition 1 (noun): a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
Definition 2 (noun): an institution to express belief in a divine power

Definition requested by nahlestormblessed

[midnight badge]

so I'm going with the concept of belief

[shy summit]

@midnight badge

[midnight badge]

do you know buddhism?

[shy summit]

Concept of Karma

Rebirth

[midnight badge]

do they believe in supernatural power?

[shy summit]

Yes

[real lily]

They believe in Devas (Divine beings)

[shy summit]

And rebirth and Karma

[real lily]

And Pretas (Demon/Satan) and the concept of heaven.

[midnight badge]

gimme a second mom calling me

[real lily]

Buddhist beliefs include, "The universe is viewed as cyclical, with existence spanning six realms (gods, demi-gods, humans, animals, hungry ghosts, and hell) governed by karma."

[real lily]

The essence of religion is believing in a bigger than life divine power. Even Agnostics that aren't truly religious believe in the concept of God as a being which is supernatural already. The only religion that deviates from that is atheism.

[shy summit]

A god isn’t required

Just supernatural elements

[real lily]

there are non theistic religions like Humanism or Naturalism that can be a better example of what you're trying to say

[midnight badge]

yes im back

[shy summit]

Even then they cut it close and border more on philosophy

[midnight badge]

see even the concept of karma is different in buddhism. can you mention the verse number from the buddhism?

[shy summit]

I couldn’t name you most bible verses

[real lily]

Oh...

[midnight badge]

yea that's what im saying. you are going with the westernize definition of karma. Even the concept of karma is depend on the philosophies

ig as far as i know they have different philosophy

[shy summit]

Rebirth is inherently supernatural

[midnight badge]

and according to them they don't believe karma is all about bad and wrong

[midnight badge]

im not sure about rebirth and what's the concept according to them and even if i go by ur defination then you are right. But the core idea of politics is ideas & promises.
Politicians make sure that ppl believe in the promises that might be fulfilled. Without belief everything collapses. No one would choose that party. I agree with ur points that politics is about obersvation but it's not solely based on observation . when two parties fighting for votes voters decide based on their past work, personal preferences and the promises (so called manifestos) they make which may or may not be fulfilled

[feral river]

politics was never about any ideas & promises it is about a struggle between powerful groups

[midnight badge]

unfortunately we live in a democratic country

not in china

[feral river]

that's even more intense in democratic state lmfao

[midnight badge]

🥲 then you have no idea about democracy

[feral river]

in a dictatorship the power is much more centralized, that depends on the leader's performance of handling the internal issues that would ease the intense of struggle

[feral river]

you have no idea about politics, at the fucking all

[midnight badge]

sure

good for you

[feral river]

in a democratic state, every struggle between interest groups and politicians is even open and could be represented in a very transparent way

also it deepen the split between the people

you know nothing about democratic and authoritarian and politics just by what you have said

you don't even know the nature of struggle and power struggle itself

dude is damn naive to think a struggle can't happen in a liberal democracy

[midnight badge]

@pseudo flume 😂

[feral river]

LMFAO

your idea and promises was all used by politicians and interest groups to scam you fucking guys to seize more interest

🤣

even I could do that

how naive it is to think that idea is pure in where political struggle exist

dude got punched by reality because he's dreaming too much

and sorry I bring that reality on your face

[midnight badge]

again someone living in china talking abt democracy doesn't make any sense. ik u have read abt it in books but there's a huge diffeence between theory and reality. if u read the whole convo you'd understand what i said instead of acting illiterate and prentending to be dumb. there's no point in talking about democracy with a chinese person

[feral river]

I see you are trying hard to divert from the dumb idea you point itself to my personality or personal status, that doesn't make you look well a little bit

you are still pretty fucked with what you have said

and you are politically illiterate, with a little bit racism and prejudice against people who live in China also ignoring the fact that even if you live in a democratic state you are still nothing because you don't possess any power

politics is for people who holds power

try to get yourself another chance to being slapped by reality that might help you to learn a little bit

[midnight badge]

😂

[feral river]

just like I said, you know nothing about politics, you try to divert to my personal issues but you know nothing about me too

all your idea is suck as fuck which is previously represented

🤣

[midnight badge]

I would like to point out my argument again

[feral river]

it's been a while I never seen another guy would fuck around with me

how nice it was

I love it dude

[midnight badge]

do you live in a democractic country?

[violet ravine]

Hello @feral river would you like to talk on dms sometime later? I want to talk about China

[feral river]

first of all, that does not even relevant to politics, and second I ever been to a lot of countries, I ever stay in a democratic country for almost a year

you live in a democratic state to have a right to vote does not mean you hold any power to change anything

[midnight badge]

have you ever voted in a democractic country ?

[feral river]

no, I'm expecting you would say something next that is hilarious as fuck

but would you ?

[midnight badge]

again you have 0 experience and shit knowledge about democracy

[feral river]

LMFAO

[feral river]

it's a damn logic that if I ask if you don't live here a little bit you wouldn't even know this place ever exist

[midnight badge]

you have never voted in a democractic country
you don't even live in democractic country

All the democracy in any country is all about manifesto which are promises

[feral river]

dude you are getting yourself more fucked than ever right now

[midnight badge]

nothing more than that

[feral river]

you live or vote or do anything that does not represent you are participating politcs

[midnight badge]

do you know manifesto?

[feral river]

actually you are not, at all in this process to gain any type of benefits from just voting and election process

[violet ravine]

You are coming from a presupposition that China is not democratic

[feral river]

all you would believe your ideal and promises by other people would work for you but they aren't work for you at the fucking all

[midnight badge]

then enlighten me

[feral river]

all they do is seize interests for themselves

what you do, is pay your fucking taxes or go to jail

dude is so fucked that fucked totally you know nothing about political philosophy while claiming he know fucking politcs is promises

[violet ravine]

China does not follow the liberal democracy system (multiple parties, private property, capital centered laws)
while China is ruled by a singled party, it does not mean that it does not have democracy. It just does it differently

[feral river]

dude is not even being indoctrinated, he purely know nothing about it

[feral river]

he would assume a person from somewhere that is not democratic to know nothing about other issues

[violet ravine]

But China is democratic, just not in the western way?

[feral river]

besides he actually know nothing about politics

that is also proven by what he have claimed for

[violet ravine]

Otherwise it wouldn't be the people's republic

[feral river]

it is actually not, in general consideration

[violet ravine]

what do you mean by general consideration?

[feral river]

by defining whether a system is democratic you need several factors to meet

People's Republic of China do have every institution that could work as a democratic nation but it does not a democratic nation by practice

[midnight badge]

show me the democracy in china. The mere existence of multiple parties does not make a country democratic. can you name a single party other than the communist party that has ruled china in the last two decades?

[pseudo flume]

Hail supreme leader

[feral river]

you have the court but court is manipulated, you have the government and election system but it is chosen by upper bureaucrats

that's not how democracy is working

[midnight badge]

😂 bro hahahahahah

[feral river]

China is not a democratic state by general standard, it is an authoritarian nation

by democracy you have different forms it is also not only liberal democracy with vote or election that only represent that you are democratic

there are a lot of forms of democracy that functionally could work

[violet ravine]

Thats exactly what I'm talking about. China is rules by a Communist Party only, but that doesn't mean it's not democratic. If anyone can be part of that party, then it is surely democratic (as long as it allows different perspectives within the party, which is what happens/has happened in china)

[feral river]

the biggest problem of liberal democracy is instability and would deepen the struggle between interest groups and people

also it made people especially upper class chase to use influence on society to seize more interest for their own

it is a result of pro-privatization movement

[violet ravine]

so China has a massive problem, the same one the USSR had in the post-stalin era with the Номенклатура, a de-facto elite while having a state that claims to be egalitarian?

[feral river]

nope, every authoritarian is also different

for example, USSR authoritarian system is still based on federalism and elective bureaucrats around 1950-1970s which is the most powerful time in the history

[violet ravine]

but it has also met a lot of stagnation and rise in inequality compared to the early years

[feral river]

they have a huge authoritarian central government in Moscow but also they have other SSRs which do have very little level of autonomy which does not have exclusive right or power against the government

that is very different between China

[feral river]

again, there are a lot factors that could decide a fate of a nation

you can't just say USSR collapsed because they are too stagnated

that's incorrect, there are a lot of nations stagnated but why USSR collapsed ?

[midnight badge]

😂 then what's is communisim ? that's what happens in communism ? only one legal ruling party that holds the power and the members of the ruling party act as an adviser

[feral river]

why didn't China collapse during the cultural revolution

[violet ravine]

yes of course, but you pointed out they were powerful in a certain time period, and i pointed out it had met a lot of stagnation in that same period

[feral river]

it does not make sense if you simply use one factor to explain it

[violet ravine]

communism is a stateless society so

[feral river]

it is, but it is not the main issue that they dissolved

[violet ravine]

i agree but thats not what i said

im just pointing that out

[feral river]

they were mainly dissolved because of the internal turmoil and division in the power core

[midnight badge]

so? did i say it's not?

[feral river]

especially that initiated by Gorbachev, and division caused by Yeltsin

these two people end the last hope of the USSR and finally made it dissolve

[violet ravine]

id argue it was because of bureaucratization and a creation of an elite that contributed to the coup in 1991

[feral river]

besides that, they already have huge economic issue, and regionalism is going very high

[violet ravine]

you implied it by saying "one ruling party". a stateless society cant have a party

[feral river]

corruption is also extremely rampant

[feral river]

people would try to use one factor to say, USSR dissolved because it is so corrupted, that is not true

country is a huge complexity of everything that happens and running in a specific field of territory but economy links and managing bureaucrats

[violet ravine]

yes i am aware

[feral river]

a country won't die just because of moderate starvation, famine, disaster, or even corruption, authoritarian, division etc.

it was a complex reason that finally give a result of it collapsed

it might be some of these reason by looking it usually but for example division

[violet ravine]

i just think there were leading factors, the ones i states above, but of course there were multiple complex and interconnected factors

[feral river]

but what case that a division could happen ? that might have a bigger issue behinds this, like internal turmoil, stagnation etc.

power is created by force

and it was irrigated by interest

it is absolutely not just that easy

that's why I say the last guy know nothing about politics because he think that politics is about ideal

politics is not about ideal even a little bit

it is a brutal struggle between interest groups, it is where people try to seize more interest whether inside of a country or outside of the world

it is a survival struggle between all people who live in this struggle where nobody could escape

as long as there are resources, they are interest that ready to seize, there are politics

and there are wars, compromise, distribution etc.

politics was never easy and it can be never easy, it is bloody, brutal but also finally bring the most people a better world

[violet ravine]

yeah

now going back to china

from what youve told me, it seems china has a problem with bureaucracy, authoritarianism and so on

how can this be solved so china can achieve communism?

[feral river]

I never think that is a problem

bureaucratic problem might exist, but that widely exist everywhere around the world

every modern government is extremely redundant

ofc we need a better solution to that, and authoritarian is inevitable in current world

[violet ravine]

that doesnt need to be the case necessarily, and it is feasible

[feral river]

we have to be more authoritarian than ever to win the struggle on the globe

as a country

[violet ravine]

you mean you have to be authoritarian so you can win against imperialism?

[feral river]

no, we don't have a struggle to fight against any imperailism

we only have one struggle in my view, is the struggle of seizing more interest for the country

[violet ravine]

so which struggle are we talking about here

[feral river]

nothing above the national interest

as the interest of the nation we are entitled to do everything

[violet ravine]

and what happened to the interests of the working class?

what you're describing is literally fascism

[feral river]

we don't have to care them pretty much, they are losing their value by time

we will use robots and AI systems to replace them finally

at that time their only value to fight for the nation on the ground

[violet ravine]

I'm a bit confused now. Where do you even stand?

[feral river]

and after we conquered the world entirely, we would have a better institution for all humanity

[violet ravine]

If robots and AI take all the jobs then how will people even survive

[feral river]

as I far as I know when the perfect times comes in, we should start national-wide mobilization

[feral river]

let them find their rule of survive on the battle ground to seize the interest for the country

they are usage of the people in the future, don't worry too much

[violet ravine]

so you want another revolution? what the hell

im a little confused on where you stand politically

I was under the assumption you were a Maoist

[feral river]

I don't stand with Mao Zedong's ideal on political struggle or class struggle

I'm not a communist

I stand with all powerful interest groups backed by the nation

they could be bureaucrats, capitalists, congressman

the real elites

and we will stand together to conquer for more

[violet ravine]

Interesting

Well that sounds quite a lot like fascism, literally
Everything for the state, by all means necessary

[sharp creek]

we are watching

[sharp creek]

is there any iranian here, tell us what is happening there

a horrible persecution?

how could they be against their religious leader, thats apparently against the religion right

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[rugged gyro]

They don't want Islamic regime in their country anymore they want freedom

[rugged gyro]

All this guy is saying is "hm"

[wind zephyr]

Tam tam

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-gif-23455788

[wind zephyr]

No more force hijab

[sharp creek]

[wind zephyr]

This dog look like serial killer

[sharp creek]

maybe.................

[wind zephyr]

Titan pfp

[sharp creek]

you guys's profile pictures are creepy!

[rugged gyro]

I'd rather die than someone forced a hijab on me

[sturdy mango]

there is no obedience to any leader in wrongdoing, so opposing injustice is not against Islam
Also we don't believe that shias are muslim

[sharp creek]

thats ...fine, what kind of reglion are you in , sunni?

[sturdy mango]

I'm sunni muslim , not wahabi

[sharp creek]

'masks' are weirder bro

[rugged gyro]

No one would force on u to wear hijab frenzy shut up

[sturdy mango]

Epic emoji

[rugged gyro]

No reminds me of getting muted in the middle of me typing a msg

[feral river]

Hijab is a political sensitive and disruptive symbol that hold strong intent to cause an instability on society and did trigger the treason against the state

Wearing hijab in prohibited and will be sentenced under the law in PRC

[rugged gyro]

Are u sure you're "beginner?

[sharp creek]

what is PRC

[rugged gyro]

Using mask and get forced to dress like a letterbox is different

I figured yeah

[feral river]

I like the pink color

Also ofc I’m a beginner

Plz tell me how to speak english

[sharp creek]

what is Plz..

[rugged gyro]

You yap the most here shush

[wind zephyr]

Embrace death then XD

[rugged gyro]

Also this essay u wrote i agree

[wind zephyr]

Muslim in prc?

[rugged gyro]

If i have to i will

We're stubborn people

[sharp creek]

'superior language'

[rugged gyro]

Georgians

[wind zephyr]

[sharp creek]

[wind zephyr]

Really

[rugged gyro]

We'd be Muslims by now otherwise

[wide galleon]

Yup elections are close, blud's jus mobilizing public opinion
Everyone deserves a place in our society
Assam wasn't only built by the Ahoms, it was a collective effort by every community
The So called miya community also has a great hand in the spread of Assamese language
They were called "No Axomiya Musolman"

What The Cm is doing is literally what the English Did to South Africans

Miya is a community, tho the CM targets them only - the people of the other communities assume "all the muslims" to be of the same community and mentality which is also not right

Hope We Survive Gng

[wind zephyr]

A country in Europe?

[rugged gyro]

Yes

Actually learn Georgian

International language

[wind zephyr]

Georgia look like a female name

[wide galleon]

No offense but you kinda look like an owl in yo pfp

They are great pets tho- you can adopt one lmao

[rugged gyro]

It was name because of saint George but it's actually Sakartvelo

[sharp creek]

i dont think you would call your mother tongue an 'inferior language'

[wind zephyr]

Oh

[rugged gyro]

I love white owls

They're pretty

[crystal kayak]

The place where I live if you ask them if they are sunni or shia,they will tell you we follow the Quran

[sturdy mango]

There is diffrence in aqeedah . So

[sharp creek]

thats crazy, whether its easy or not, cant represent your culture

[sturdy mango]

It make a huge difference

[sharp creek]

just like if your family has less love than others, that doesnt mean they are not a qualified family, family also can be seems as a tool too

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[crystal kayak]

I Know, but if you ask there say they follow the Quran.They are sunnis

[sturdy mango]

Wahabis*
You should follow both Qur'an and Hadith together

[crystal kayak]

And also spiking trucks that carry beef in the highway

[sturdy mango]

You can't understand Qur'an Without fiqh and proper understanding, you can misunderstand if you just keep reading the meaning or translation

[crystal kayak]

We do follow both

[sturdy mango]

[crystal kayak]

Same, reaction when I saw a bunch of fully grown males,set a spike trap in a highway and caused a truck full of beef to swerve off the road and crush.And they didn't even check on the driver

[feral river]

https://x.com/eliafriatisr/status/2016486025413992571?s=46

Eli Afriat 🇮🇱 (@EliAfriatISR)

🚨🇺🇸BREAKING: Donald Trump Threatens Iran: Make a deal or the next attack will be harder than the one in June.

X · Jan 28, 2026, 12:18 PM

Republican administration is doing the right thing to deal with such case

Even go to war

I never think about a place that is out of the first world

They deserve to be the puppet of superpowers

[sturdy mango]

@fresh flower You da puppet

[feral river]

European domination is end after the WW2

People used to think there will be a cold war after the end of WW2 between Germany and United States during the war

Nobody expected that Nazi Germany actually defeat and it’s a cold war between US and SU

Now the most powerful state besides Russia is either France or Germany in Europe

France is also being controlled by leftists the only hope is Germany to have the afd party in charge

And bring Germany back to the path of making Germany great again

They are a threat for all the time to both the Soviet Union now Russian Federation, and the United States

Europe is the biggest challenge that the United States ever experience in terms of financial power and economy

Euro is the biggest challenger of the USD dominance

it is not Russia and China threatening the US dominance in any aspect but Europe did threaten US a lot on this field

and this field is deadly important, that nothing could be more important to the US

if US lose the USD dominance it automatically lose its status as a superpower and all of its leverage will gone as well as the US global order will come to an end

only this is extremely important, also it did happened 2 major cases that US tried so hard to maintain its status

one is Iraq war, which happened after Saddam announced using Euro instead to trade and settle payments on oil

and the second one is boycotting the upcoming Asian trade and currency union which use nationalism in South Korea and Japan and China in early 2010s to boycott the idea of creating a East Asia Union like the EU

if any of these could be established, there will come to an end of the US dominance, and US will become a regular great power in the North America, lose their special status, lose the biggest military on the planet, lose their trade advantage, lose everything they could expect like the British Empire

that is a disaster to all people who live in the US regardless of whether you are rich or not

people are seeming to be naive to believe that they don't need to spend extra their healthcare money on military or for conquering something

but this world is about survival for the fittest, if you don't drop yourself in, you are out

and once you are out, it's not the issue where you are going to spend your money on, but you don't have that money anymore

[coral belfry]

Its 25c today
No more cold yay

[sturdy mango]

According to Ibn Abbas (ra) in Bukhari 3851:

Allah's Messenger ﷺ was inspired Divinely at the age of forty. Then he stayed in Mecca for thirteen years, and then was ordered to migrate, and he migrated to Medina and stayed there for ten years and then died.

According to Ibn Abi Abdur-Rahman in Bukhari 3547:

Divine Inspiration was revealed to him when he was forty years old. He stayed ten years in Mecca receiving the Divine Inspiration, and stayed in Medina for ten more years.

The same event of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ staying in Mecca has been given different amount of time in Bukhari which is the most authentic book after the Quran. This shows that narrations in Hadith need to be explored more with other sources to determine accuracy in regards to numbers, especially when dates of events are involved. The same applies for the age of Aisha (ra) that has different narrations with different ages.

Remember, a narration can be authentic but that doesn't mean the substance of the narration is accurate, especially when it comes to age and dates for those days.

Abu Bakrs' daughters born before 610AD
According to Tabari, all four daughters of Abu Bakr, including Aisha, were born before the revelation of Islam in 610AD. The marriage of Aisha to Prophet Muhammad ﷺ took place one year after the migration around 624AD. Even if Aisha was born 1 year before the revelation of Islam in 609AD, this puts her age at around 15 during the marriage.

Age in Comparison with Older Sister
Furthermore, according to other historical sources such as Al-Nawawi, Ibn Kathir and Ibn Hisham, Asma who is Aisha's sister, was 10 years older than Aisha. She died at the age of 100 around in 73AH or 695AD. Asma was born in 596AD and was 14 years old when Islam began. Aisha would have been 4 when Islam began in 610AD. This means Aisha would have been born in 606AD. At the time of migration Asma would have been around 27 years old. If Aisha was 10 years younger than her, then she would have been around 17 years old during the migration and thus 18 years old during the marriage a year later. Or if other narrations are correct then she would have been 14-15 when she was married and 17-18 when the marriage was consummated a year after the migration in 623AD.

Age in Comparison with Daughter of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ
There is also her age compared to Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet ﷺ.

Ibn Hajar al-Asqalláni states in al-Isábah, citing al-Wáqidi, on the authority of al-Abbás (uncle of the Prophet ), that “Fatima was born while the Ka`ba was being built… and the Prophet was thirty-five years of age… and she [Fatima] was about five years older than Aisha.”

This again would lead us to conclude that Aisha would have been born one year before the revelation of Islam. This would mean that by the time of migration she would have been at least 14 years old and thus 15 years old at the time of marriage. Again this shows that the narrations of 6-9 are unreliable and shows different narrations and historians leading to different conclusions about her age.

Aisha remembers a revelation of the Quran
Sahih Bukhari 4993

While I was a young girl (jariyah in arabic) of playing age, the following Verse was revealed in Mecca to Muhammad: 'Nay! But the Hour is their appointed time (for their full recompense), and the Hour will be more grievous and more bitter.' (54.46)

Chapter 54 was revealed around 4-5 years after the first revelation to the Prophet ﷺ in 610AD, so around 614-15AD. If Aisha was married to the Prophet ﷺ at the age of six at 624AD, then she would not have been even born at the time of the revelation of this verse. Yet she remembers this revelation and was of a playing age during its revelation. Hence, this contradicts the narration of her being married at 6 or 9 and shows that her estimate of her age was incorrect due to the lack of calendars.

Furthermore, Ibn Sīdah and Ibn Manẓūr say in al-Muḥkam and Lisanul Arab dictionary that “The word jāriyah means a young girl (fatiyyah).” The word fatiyyah means an adolescent girl (shābbah). It seems as though they would use the word jāriyah for a girl at the beginning of her adolescence because she is still running here and there [playing]. A 4 year old is not called a jariyah unless it is to contrast a male and female in the same sentence. Hence, in this case it refers to a younger girl who is almost an adolescent. She would have been around 7-9 years old when this verse was revealed in 614-15AD. This places her age at 16-18 years old at the time of marriage one year after migration in 624AD.

Aisha remembers the Migration to Ethiopia
Sahih Bukhari 2297:

(wife of the Prophet) Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah's Messenger ﷺ visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant.

Generally, children begin to remember and understand more complex things like the religion of their parents at around 5-6 years old. If we assume that she was born around 4-6 years after Islam then the statement of Aisha narrating her parents being Muslims at the age of her awareness and memory is useless to recount as it is well known that Abu Bakr was one of the early converts to Islam. If this were the case then she would obviously have began having memories and awareness while her parents were Muslim. However, if she was born 4 years before Islam then this statement is necessary as it shows that she was born before Islam but her awareness and memory began while her parents were Muslim as opposed to any other religion of the time.

Secondly, Aisha recalls the migration to Ethiopia which happened in 615AD, 5 years after the revelation of Islam. Even if she was married at 9 years old at 624AD then she would have been a few months to 1 years old at the time of migration to Ethiopia which is not possible as she remembers it happening. Once again this is proof that she was not 6 or 9 at the time of marriage as should would have been at least 5 years or older during 615AD.

Aisha was present at the Battle of Uhud
The battle of Uhud took place 2 years after the migration to Medina at 625AD.

Sahih Bukhari 2664

Allah's Messenger ﷺ called me to present myself in front of him on the eve of the battle of Uhud, while I was fourteen years of age at that time, and he did not allow me to take part in that battle, but he called me in front of him on the eve of the battle of the Trench when I was fifteen years old, and he allowed me (to join the battle)." Nafisaid, "I went toUmar bin Abdul Aziz who was Caliph at that time and related the above narration to him, He said, "This age (fifteen) is the limit between childhood and manhood," and wrote to his governors to give salaries to those who reached the age of fifteen.

Sahih Bukhari 2880

On the day (of the battle) of Uhad when (some) people retreated and left the Prophet, I saw `Aisha bint Abu Bakr and Um Sulaim, with their robes tucked up so that the bangles around their ankles were visible hurrying with their water skins (in another narration it is said, "carrying the water skins on their backs"). Then they would pour the water in the mouths of the people, and return to fill the water skins again and came back again to pour water in the mouths of the people.

The Prophet ﷺ did not let a 14 year old boy on or near the battlefield. If Aisha was 6 years old when she married the Prophet ﷺ one year after the migration, she would have been 7-8 years old during this battle. Why would the Prophet ﷺ allow a 7-8 year old girl to give water and nurse the soldiers at the battlefield? He could have given that task to 14 year old boys instead and save the younger girls from being so close to danger. This would also provide some experience and preparation for the boys to see what a real war is like. We can conclude that Aisha was older than 15 years old during the battle of Uhud.

Conclusion
There is more evidence that we could discuss but what I have provided should suffice. It is clear that we cannot determine the age of Aisha with certainty as many scholars have said, but there is more evidence to point to the fact that she was between 15-18 years old when she married the Prophet ﷺ as opposed to 6 or 9 years old. We will never accurately know her age but I think we have enough evidence to suggest that she was not 6 or 9 years old when she married the Prophet ﷺ. For anyone to say that the age of 6 or 9 years old at marriage is an established fact is being disingenuous.

[midnight badge]

gpt shit

[sturdy mango]

its not gpt

i saved it cause islamophopes have nothing else except few arguments.

[midnight badge]

go to ask a muslim vc

[wind zephyr]

This is longest comment I have seen here

[midnight badge]

💀

[sturdy mango]

why

[midnight badge]

cuz this ain't ask a muslim chat

[sturdy mango]

is there any rule to not talk about this

[midnight badge]

yes

[sturdy mango]

show

even if it is you can report to mods that i am breaking rule

thank you

[midnight badge]

r u dumb? that's why they made religious vc to keep the shit there

[sturdy mango]

ok sy bau

its your personal problem

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https://tenor.com/view/infokomposter-spongebob-brain-no-brain-gif-7677657241784061592

brain left the chat

[sturdy mango]

way to avoid engaging with evidence

[wet bolt]

Imagine believing imaginary beings are real, can't relate

[sturdy mango]

Blud that’s not how evidence works.

Saying “a book has inaccuracies, therefore this specific paragraph is wrong” is a logical fallacy.
Idc who are you ,

[wet bolt]

All of this is perspective anyway. If bro was Thai, bro would most likely not be Muslim. Believing in imaginary beings is cultural

We ostracize so many groups, but tolerate the fact that people are indoctrinated into believing unreal beings since childhood. That ain't right.

[sturdy mango]

By that logic
Being born anywhere would make mathematics “cultural"

[wet bolt]

No. Mathematics is universal. 1+1 is 2 regardless of where you are in the world.

Believing in Allah is constrained to the Middle East. Believing in INSERT TYPE OF GOD HERE is solely geographical. Aboriginals in Australia have a different belief system, as do Native Americans, as do Chinese, etc. It's solely cultural.

[midnight badge]

that's what they feed into children's brain

[sturdy mango]

If the paragraph is wrong, show one concrete inaccuracy

[sturdy mango]

the idea that belief in Allah is “Middle Eastern” is just factually wrong. 😭

[wet bolt]

Prove it.

It comes from there.

Those books, Q'uran, Bible - written by MEN eons ago in order to find ways to instill fear in others so they obey, conform and comply. (OCC).

[cerulean pivot]

All the big three religions came from there

Are u Jewish?

[wet bolt]

Right, but arguably Christianity did a "better job" at spreading out and INFECTING other parts of the world than Islam.

[cerulean pivot]

How so

[wet bolt]

Missionaries.

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah?
And crusaders

What's your point

[wet bolt]

Just like English came from England, Christianity/Islam are cultural things imported from the M.E.

I'm saying believing in God is cultural.

Some people wake up and realize there is no supernatural anything.

[sturdy mango]

You don’t read hadith by cherry-picking one report;
when the accounts differ scholars compare and reconcile them

[wet bolt]

Some don't.

[cerulean pivot]

Idk man u sound like a Jewish to me

Never mentioned Judaism

[wet bolt]

I'm not Jewish, but what is your problem with Jews? I'm also not religious. I'm agnostic.

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[cerulean pivot]

Suspicious

[cerulean pivot]

Gtk

[sturdy mango]

Allah does not mean “Middle Eastern god”
Allah just means “The One God” in Arabic,

a word Arab Christians used long before Islam geography explains language,

[sturdy mango]

for real he don't want to get counter replied with talmud

[wet bolt]

It's obvious bro. If you don't see religion as a cultural heritage, you're just unwilling to wake up... And that's ok. It's your life. Believe what you want.

[sick bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[sturdy mango]

Culture affects the exposure,
culture do not effect the truth otherwise no belief, including atheism, would ever be rational.

[sick bronze]

Some cultures just blindly follow a faith but it’s within your hands to “break” if needed that chain of cultural practices and choose your own path if it seems more convenient for your values. We all have brilliant minds to make our own choices and see the pros and cons of it.

[sturdy mango]

Also From an Islamic view, Islam wasn’t invented in the Middle East

it’s the continuation of the same belief in one God that existed long before cultures formed

[wet bolt]

Yeah, but your truth is completely debunked the moment you leave your geographical area where everyone believes what you believe in. If you were born in any other place, unless your family is with you and INDOCTRINATES you elsewhere and teaches you the ways, you'd likely believe different things.

[rugged gyro]

Exactlyy what I've been trying to say all these time

[sturdy mango]

Bro Geography explains what ideas you’re first exposed to,
and not whether those ideas are true otherwise no one could ever rationally convert, question, or change beliefs,

[wet bolt]

Wrong. Religion teaches "discipline", which means respecting authority figures and not questioning "THE WORD".

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even the oldest scriptures are only about 6k-7k years old yet new religions try to frame themselves in a way that they exist way before despite having no concrete evidence for that. The same goes for islam, christianity, hinduism, jewish and etc

[sick bronze]

As I said, some may follow blindly some not and eventually establish themselves a clear path for future generations and gift that belief ^^

[wet bolt]

Religion is a tool. Don't you see it? Through the word of God, MEN get to oppress women, gays, the poor and many other marginalized groups.

[sturdy mango]

If potential bias invalidates scholarship,

then no history, science, or academia survives skepticism has to be consistent

[wet bolt]

This subject is too complex to text about it. If y'all get on VC sometime feel free to ping...otherwise I digress

[sturdy mango]

Respecting discipline isn’t the same as
banning questions

Islamic tradition is literally built on debate and questioning that’s why there are four major imams with different legal opinions, all accepted within Islam.

[midnight badge]

science is based on actual facts through observation and experiment

can u do it with the religious scriptures ?

[sturdy mango]

You are right some may follow blindly

[sick bronze]

It’s already proven bud

[midnight badge]

proven wat?

[sick bronze]

How come can you imagine to have found real science when God already wrote that and sent those books on Earth

With most of the proven scientific evidences

[midnight badge]

😂 show the scienctific evidences

[sturdy mango]

If only experiments count as knowledge, then history, law, ethics, and even parts of science itself disappear

[sturdy mango]

of what exactly you want

[sick bronze]

Pff I’m not a theologist nor a book reader you can do your research on evidences found in the Quran if you’re interested

[midnight badge]

even the history has actual evidence of it

[midnight badge]

😂

[sick bronze]

Why you laughing

[sturdy mango]

Bias only matters if you prove where it distorts the claim

[sick bronze]

I read some parts basically

Not me reading a book or being lazy to show proofs change the fact those evidences are within the Quran

[midnight badge]

i said observation and experiment
do you know how historians piece things together and determine historical evidence and on what basis they do it? It's not like religious book you just believe in it

[sturdy mango]

history uses real evidence, just not lab experiments.

[sick bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-sleep-sleep-bye-gif-gif-210930873632952602

[midnight badge]

They do use lab experiments like radio carbon and forensic etc to find the actual basis. History isn't about believing in things

Like quran, bible geeta

[pseudo flume]

Me and minecraft (he's getting suffocated)

[wet bolt]

PSALM 81:10

You're welcome.

[midnight badge]

Whenever I play mc I get motion sickness

😭 i dunno why

[dry wigeon]

Change the FOV

[midnight badge]

Fov?

[dry wigeon]

FOV = Field of View
It's normally a graphics/video setting, in Minecraft however, the setting is not in the video settings menu

Too high or too low FOV can cause issues with some people's eyesight/motion

[midnight badge]

Ohh ic

Will try thx u

[sturdy mango]

Quran is not a science textbook, it has descriptions of the natural world that were well beyond the knowledge of its time like **mountains having a stabilizing effect, **

the layered darkness of the deep oceans, **
and the staged development of the human embryo**
and many more .

These were written long before the advent of modern geology, oceanography, and embryology, and these are seen as evidence of its divine origin by believers.

[wet flax]

minecraft does have fov settings, wdym?

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[sturdy mango]

epic peanuts

[wet flax]

what qur'an wrote about all those 'ogy, was already known before qur'an, probably closer to the ancient greek.

so we can say pagans were two steps ahead, right ?

[last geyser]

HI GUYS I AM BACK

[dry wigeon]

Not sure about bedrock, but java has always had the FOV setting outside the video settings tab, unless they changed it very recently

[sturdy mango]

add me in your server gandu

[cerulean pivot]

Even bedrock has

[wet flax]

oh you meant that

my bad then, i didnt understand correctly

[dry wigeon]

Idk if its in the video/graphics menu or outside of it though

In java its not in the video settings menu

Every other game, FOV settings are in video/graphics

[cerulean pivot]

Ohh now i got it

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GjaFz1nbbOg

it is proven that is effective to name things after Trump will increase his popularity

we need more of it

we need everything that is around him

Make America Great Again

[midnight badge]

long before when? give the proof of that? which year? show the staged dev of the human embryo? quran is only 1400 years old and greeks r way older than that
even it's not a science textbook what's the basis of it

[wet flax]

was it even great once

[sturdy mango]

The Qur’an (e.g., 23:12–14) describes staged human development in sequence
not as modern embryology,

but as ordered stages.

Greeks had speculative theories too, many of which were biologically wrong (like semen forming the whole human)

[midnight badge]

clinging clot?

lol

here u go biologically wrong

[eager mango]

Do u study linguistics

No. this is history

[midnight badge]

and the same theology can go with the greek too

[high rapids]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3o1CUVeHIid49sabk6A6Nf?si=7s3EQ3wiTauFGXLEY2gHsw

[sturdy mango]

You’re reading a translation literally and judging it by modern lab language.

the Qur’an uses classical Arabic descriptions, not embryology textbooks.

This is a linguistic mistake.

The Qur’an uses descriptive Arabic terms, not technical the biology.
ʿAlaqah doesn’t mean a literal “blood clot”
it means something that clings or attaches, which fits early implantation; the verse gives stages in sequence, not a morden description or medical diagram

[midnight badge]

even if i take that clings its still biologically wrong

[sturdy mango]

It’s only “biologically wrong” if you expect a 7th century Arabic text

[midnight badge]

ig greek is more better atleast they gave the better explanation

[midnight badge]

😂 you can use any terms but the fact won't change that's why all the scientific discoveries in religious scriptures proven wrong

i would say this is the better explanation at that time

even before ur scriptures

[sturdy mango]

Describing nature is not equal to doing science. You’re conflating the two

[midnight badge]

what if it is

whatever happening in ur surrounding has some reason which is backed by the science

[sturdy mango]

Galen guessed mechanisms and got them wrong later.
the Qur’an isn’t doing speculative biology in the first place

[midnight badge]

aren''t you the one who was saying greek were biologically wrong

[mint parrot]

[midnight badge]

give the reference

do you know greek language?

[mint parrot]

🍿
Join

[midnight badge]

even if something is proven wrong you still won’t believe that your scripture was wrong

[sturdy mango]

Cz its not

[midnight badge]

😂

😂

[wet flax]

bro def has 0 point

except disrespecting religions there's nothing else any atheist debater know

[wet flax]

sadly, all humans wants to be right

[midnight badge]

https://tenor.com/view/momo-the-cat-momo-momo-the-cat-religion-momo-religion-gif-1412851044341229461

[wet flax]

i need a femboy worshipper in my life

[midnight badge]

[midnight badge]

femboy god

[midnight badge]

https://tenor.com/view/cleiton-kratos-god-of-war-gif-19446102

[wet flax]

yessss

oh time to go back to work, ugh

[midnight badge]

goodluck

[wet flax]

tyy

i saw someone putting Jesus porn on vc.

[midnight badge]

wtf

[midnight badge]

#🛂｜report-help

[wet flax]

not here

in based atheism

[midnight badge]

oh ok ok

[wet flax]

i know, i just generalize smh. i dont hide it

[midnight badge]

r u atheist too?

[sturdy mango]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Semen
Galen’s model treats semen as the formative substance of the body

[mint parrot]

What about jews

[wet flax]

im a theist

to be rare ? dude ydk based atheism

i can tell you arent on any debate server

[midnight badge]

bro at that time it was fine. im using ur arguement. Atleast they knew the semen

[midnight badge]

oh ok ok

[mint parrot]

Zoroastrianism?

[wet flax]

debaters are most likely toxic

[sturdy mango]

Mentioning semen is not equal to claiming semen explains embryology.
Greeks made mechanisms; the Qur’an didn’t.
and if we still disagree Let’s leave it there.

[uncut tiger]

are you roasting urself

[wet flax]

well, tbh

i debate christians mostly lol

[uncut tiger]

so in your religion you believe in science and recite maxwell's equation every morning

then go to the island to pay homage to hawking

[sturdy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-hawking-gif-11361864

[wet flax]

they pray to the big bang

[sturdy mango]

Vencord user

[sturdy mango]

Isn't this guy is in epstien files

Hawking gawking

[midnight badge]

then it same goes with the quran. You just don't wanna apply ur own concept on ur religious scriptures
I told u the clinging thing it's still biologically wrong and you also know it's biologically wrong.
do you live in 7th century or wot? is the quran meant to be eternal or was it intended only for the 7th century?

[uncut tiger]

the way you guys start preaching out the no-god slogan it almost feels like a religion, cuz atheists try even harder to spread their word than some religions do

[sturdy mango]

The Qur’an is eternal in guidance and meaning,
And not a frozen 7th-century science manual;
it uses timeless, non-technical language to point to realities, not to compete with modern biology calling that “biologically wrong” assumes a claim it never makes

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[sturdy mango]

Ok I won't argue more nvm

Bye

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[midnight badge]

does god even know the term "modern biology" ? ig for him biology would just be biology since he already possess complete knowledge. so why would he say smth that could later be proven wrong by modern biology

[wind zephyr]

Am i educating myself here

[wet flax]

tf is this blud saying

he is half right tho

[high rapids]

#🫂｜beginner-chat thats the chat for 3rd world people

25-40k r*pes in your shitass country btw

per year

[thorny steeple]

Did you hit your head again

[chrome acorn]

Serious chat

[wet flax]

r you a handsome latino then

[chrome acorn]

Guys please fight over something its so boring

[wet flax]

better you to read things

read your scholars

[chrome acorn]

Reading is boring

I prefer watching

[wet flax]

you learn about your religion tho

[chrome acorn]

I do occasionally

[wet flax]

right

i agree, it was just a joke

besides that im in latinas anyway

[wet flax]

i saw what straight men see in a girl now

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/dogesh-dance-dogesh-dance-husky-husky-dance-gif-5738969070586908231

[chrome acorn]

U are an orthodox christian, arab, and gay

Crazy combination

[cerulean pivot]

Pick one struggle

[chrome acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-fortnite-mymomiskindahomeless-cringe-gif-7944978134360840147

[thorny steeple]

It's more than ĵust that

We don't go on liking every other woman lmao

Maybe some do

[high rapids]

thats where you belong

[wet flax]

yes, and ?

[wet flax]

bro ik

[chrome acorn]

What and?

[wet flax]

so what?

[chrome acorn]

Why do you look for means

[wet flax]

yes im lesbian arab and eastern orthodox, so? what's the matter

[wet flax]

im like that naturally

im just always on a defensive way, dont take it deep, its normal

[opal surge]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

I mean some are hot and some are absolutely adorable or cute but I know that most of people with good face always have something bad in them

[thorny steeple]

Yo

[opal surge]

most people with a face always have something bad in them

[thorny steeple]

No

When you pretend

It overflows

Always thinking in both ways while being along with such people is crucial

Since you never know when they actually do something

[gloomy frost]

I like whatever is going on with you.

[thorny steeple]

Why

[gloomy frost]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorny steeple]

You rank them

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-7434634924845802139

[gloomy frost]

I don't.

[thorny steeple]

I'm joking

[thorny steeple]

What is your preference in girls

Or guys I won't judge

[gloomy frost]

Who's capable of learning meta awareness and okish looks.

[thorny steeple]

What do you mean by meta awareness solvent

[wet flax]

wdym

[gloomy frost]

It's a skill.
A special kind of skill to say the least.
It allows a person to realise they are thinking while thinking.
So basically, thinking on why are you thinking.

[thorny steeple]

I see, but how will you know if someone is like that solvent?

[gloomy frost]

The perfect example how it can be used is this.
Most people say.
I am angry.
While a person with meta awareness would say.
I feel anger rising inside me.
Not angry feeling angry different things.

[gloomy frost]

Tests, I have my ways.

[gloomy frost]

It's cool.

[wet flax]

ty

[thorny steeple]

I hope it's not a sniff test

[gloomy frost]

😭

No, not like that.

[thorny steeple]

Hm Idk

What's my preference

I just hate people ingeneral

[gloomy frost]

Find one.
Something you can't negotiate if your partner doesn't have.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah like I'm getting anyone

[gloomy frost]

[thorny steeple]

I just know it

[opal surge]

that's cynical

Everyone has something wrong with them

Everyone has bad traits

A perfect person doesn't exist

Beautiful is not rotten

Ugly is not rotten

Everyone has something behind their back

BUT

That doesn't mean everyone is horrible

ALSO

Beauty is subjective

What is beautiful for you is not beautiful for someone else

For example most people find pimples ugly but if you would ask me they are very cute

Therefore an "ugly" face is not ugly for me

Which means everyone is beautiful

And everyone has a pretty face

If you like someone else's looks it doesn't mean they are going to manipulate you

Pretty privelage exists for people who are attractive to more people than usual but it also comes with it's drawbacks and people are not talking about those enough

The diversity in everyone's looks is beautiful

Everyone has their own type

I hate curly blonde hair but some people love it

[thorny steeple]

I'm not a saint to think of others as if I have and will walk the earth like forever. I do things because I find them relevant and actually work in real life. It might not look or seem like a good thinking but I was never let down by my subconscious.

Eventually a line is crossed between right and wrong

And staying put is what makes me, me

[opal surge]

Did people do anything bad to you or you just ran away the moment something felt off

[thorny steeple]

I have no idea

Didn't need any reason

I'm just like this

[opal surge]

Does that mean you do not observe your feelings and let your subconscious rule over your conscious?

Did you ever give your conscious a chance?

Is there a reason behind your thought pattern?

Is this a survival mechanism?

Is this something ingrained in you and is not in fact a survival mechanism?

[opal surge]

I want to know more

What made you think this way

What made you connect beauty with malice

Please I'm dying to know the answers

[thorny steeple]

Meh it's not rocket science or something

[opal surge]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

I just do either way it seems right

[opal surge]

It is not rovcket science

[opal surge]

Why does it seem right for you

I want to know your point of view

[thorny steeple]

Because I don't find enough negatives against positives

[opal surge]

what does it mean

Can i know your positives and negatives?

[faint quail]

I need friend

[opal surge]

Me too

[faint quail]

I am 16 male

[opal surge]

Ok

[faint quail]

You

[opal surge]

👍

[ornate shore]

Underage 🔞

[lapis cove]

Hello

[opal surge]

🤐

[stark aurora]

Unc

Or aunt

[opal surge]

I remember you xyz

But I don't remember from where

were you the test guy

[faint quail]

You mean

[opal surge]

I am asking xyz

https://tenor.com/view/hug-duck-happy-comfy-gif-3567806783863613952

[faint quail]

Who is here? Xyz

[faint quail]

Can you friend me

[lapis cove]

XYZ's gender is unknown

[thorny steeple]

Dead chat🫥

[hollow seal]

In a church orthodox there is no acolytes like the church of rome right? @wet flax

[wet flax]

orthodox churches, there is no formal "acolyte" like in the roman catholic church, there are altar servers (often readers or subdeacons) who assist the priest during the liturgy.

[hollow seal]

Oohh

I asked that question because I'm acolyte server in my church and I was curious because the Orthodox Church didn't have one

[verbal torrent]

Tht belarussian guy maybe

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dance-dancing-anime-girl-gif-5699276185411794439

[gloomy frost]

No.

[jaunty cargo]

Is anyone still here

[turbid dome]

No

[jaunty cargo]

Um hmm

[woven quail]

Can someone tell me how can I study in grammar 💔

I keep studying the rules and I keep forgetting it 💔

[wanton basalt]

Anybody Living in Netherlands?!

[turbid dome]

Use it frequently ig? Like immediately after you learn something

[woven quail]

Not now but I’ll soon

[woven quail]

I mean Ik 💔 but remembering all those rules is kinda hard yk

I’m just searching for another method

[turbid dome]

Idk

[woven quail]

[woven quail]

U did ielts test?

[turbid dome]

No, natives don’t have to do that stuff

[hidden shore]

Along time no see

No one debate about religions here anymore? 😹

[turbid dome]

Still do

[woven quail]

Lilililiiiiiiiii where have u been

[woven quail]

Oh right I keep forgetting

[thorny steeple]

WAKE UP zombies

[slender coral]

Hey

Who is Ruth?

[turbid dome]

Someone in the chat here

[sterile fractal]

Helloe

[thorny steeple]

Yo

[thorny steeple]

Hi chara

[sterile fractal]

Hey

Hru

[thorny steeple]

Pretty good

How are you?

[sterile fractal]

İts going goodd

[dark jacinth]

Hi

How've you been

[wet flax]

bro leave me on youtuve

youtube*

i have a FOL thing on God existance

on my phone

which i dont have

first order logic

[thorny steeple]

Frunckle

Of lord

[wet flax]

not rlly

[hidden shore]

prepare the tribe and chinese new year after that i wiill go to visit bangaldesh and india and then recently i am busy with work

[wet flax]

this

[hidden shore]

do es religion need god or humans need god

[wet flax]

humans need God

yww

[hidden shore]

why?

[wet flax]

ofc you arent a theist

[wet flax]

without God there's no meaning

[hidden shore]

meaning of what

[wet flax]

life, universe, anything

ill make one ok

[hidden shore]

many people suffering from war, but god does not help anything

[wet flax]

theodicy

[woven quail]

Oh cool hope u have funnnnn

[wet flax]

you creates your meanings, nothing else

[hidden shore]

thank u

[wet flax]

i believe life has a meanings, we just try to make one for ourselves

also a why i am absurdist

absurdism*

read Camus

anyways the fol

this isnt proving god