🧠｜serious-chat

[rugged gyro]

When everyone knows Christianity is against violence

[slender coral]

You were not wrong
#🧠｜serious-chat message

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[slender coral]

People like me and Nale would strongly dispute that.

[toxic lake]

Cough Cough. Rohingya genocide.

[shy summit]

Please do not delude yourself my dear.

[wind zephyr]

Rohingya refers to bangladeshi?

[shy summit]

Christianity is as guilty as Islam and whatever other religions you could name

[toxic lake]

I don't think so. They are Muslim minority in south Asia and south east Asia.

[rugged gyro]

Ok how?

Crusades?

[slender coral]

https://www.hrw.org/tag/rohingya

[wind zephyr]

Oh ok then jain are peaceful

[shy summit]

Salem, the Crusades (obvs low hanging fruit), modern discriminatory practices, several genocides.

[feral river]

the opposite I would consider if you are talking me supporting an evil side

[shy summit]

Yeah… they ain’t exactly any better.

[toxic lake]

what is even that religion about? Never heard about it before.

[sturdy mango]

I will clear this in 3 to 4 points

First: the Quran does not prescribe death for leaving Islam Belief and disbelief are repeatedly left to God’s judgment

Second: this report refers to zanadiqa, a historical term for people involved in political rebellion, or violent subversion not someone quietly changing belief

Third: even in this report, it is about state authority and courts, not individuals

Vigilante killing is forbidden in Islam

Reducing Islam to a single historical report while ignoring the Qur’an and centuries of scholarly debate is exactly the misinformation I was talking about

[wind zephyr]

Jain and parsi

[feral river]

justice or evil is subjective in broad general concept of public standard

[shy summit]

Kinda hard to say that Christianity is peaceful when I look out my window and my several local churches are preaching to end my existence.

[sturdy mango]

I’ve explained my position clearly
And now l’m not interested in going in circles

I don't think so when you have fault in your own religion you should blame others

[feral river]

it is not when it was in Europe

[shy summit]

It was worse arguably

[feral river]

it is not before slavery abolished

[wind zephyr]

Hm it's tit for tat

[rugged gyro]

If Christian does something doesn't mean Christianity allows it. Crusades main purpose was to bring the lands that were invaded by muslims and Christianity is most targeted and mocked religion

[feral river]

I would have a huge respect to people who have a commitment to support their life, but none for anyone use this commitment as a way of scam to push people into a deep hell while plunge everything into dust

[rugged gyro]

Guess you know better than scholars

[shy summit]

As I’ve said several hundred times now. Those actions are informed by Christian teachings

You cannot separate the two

There is corollary causation.

[feral river]

that's why I would suggest if everybody should be allowed to follow any religion or ideology/commitment, but using this to influence society is prohibited

that was quite different from what we used to say 'our view' which is the view of CCP bureaucrats

I'm much more liberal than that

[sturdy mango]

If you say verses commanding death in your scripture are no longer valid or were changed by humans, then you are admitting you don’t follow those commands anymore

That means you’re not following the text literally you’re interpreting it
And that’s exactly the point I’m making

[shy summit]

There’s a reason most homophobic people are christian, why most anti-lgbt legislation is voted for by christians, why most anti-trans people are christian,

[toxic lake]

But capitalism and nationalism are fair game./s

[shy summit]

This is not a hard thing to see

[feral river]

that's politics and ideological so

[shy summit]

And it’s not to say Christendom is worse or better than other faiths

[feral river]

just leave that space for guns and wars to solve

[shy summit]

Tradition is the enemy of progress and often the oppressor of minorities

[feral river]

and give people a common right of believing anything they want

war is the supreme court of the civilization of humanity

but we don't have to use the most expensive way to solve the issues

[sturdy mango]

I don't claim this that I know better than scholars

I’m saying people should study their own religion seriously and understand scholarly debates before using selective quotes to attack another faith

[feral river]

you want to say conservatism but I respect that you said tradition instead

now I have to agree because I'm quite anti-tradition but not conservatism

[shy summit]

I don’t have to, you said it for me

Just because something is old, does not grant it my respect

[feral river]

tradition is much more right than just being conservative

[rugged gyro]

I can tho if I go out and kill someone for religion doesn't mean God allows it

[shy summit]

But if you did it because of religion and a thousand other people ALSO do it because of religion, it’s time to start dissecting what about these teachings is radicalizing people, and galvanizing them to violence.

[sturdy mango]

You should apply same logic when someone do that in the name of islam.

[shy summit]

^^^^^^

[feral river]

if you pull a spectrum on considering how much right a person actually are, there is the one that you may not endorse traditional stuff but also respect the de facto situation

[rugged gyro]

We don't agree with it because it was written before Jesus and he denied it and for you Muhammad was the prophet and you follow whatever that mentally ill guy says

[shy summit]

“Mentally ill guy”

You can’t even grant the same grace to another person’s faith as your own.

[rugged gyro]

But islam allows it Christianity doesn't

[shy summit]

Even your bio @rugged gyro screams prejudice

[sturdy mango]

Personal insults don’t strengthen an argument

Muslims believe Muhammad ﷺ was a prophet, just as Christians believe Jesus was

Disagreement doesn’t justify disrespect.

[shy summit]

Christians still do it because of their religion though.

[sturdy mango]

Behave.

If you want a respectful discussion I'm open

[feral river]

actually you could find an excuse to justify violence in every religion

and violence isn't a bad thing dude

[rugged gyro]

Omds

I'm at work chill out on me lok

[shy summit]

This is what gets my goose. Here you are saying Christendom doesn’t endorse all these bad things, @rugged gyro But then you’re being discriminatory on the basis of religion.

Make it make sense.

[feral river]

only you use violence in a situation that you shouldn't use it is bad

violence is not the goal but the way to realize the goal

violence itself is neutral

[sturdy mango]

For real

[feral river]

even it is bad defined by who has in charge

if you are the emperor and you sign the execution order against who you don't like that could work

send anyone to concentration camps, not a surprise

you used violence maybe that's not the best way to deal with it, but that could work

and you pay the price of using it

[shy summit]

I mean your bio is clearly a statement against refugees from Middle Eastern countries fleeing to Western countries.

How do you sit here and justify blanket assumptions about these people?

@rugged gyro

[rugged gyro]

How the fuck am I going to respond all these wtf

[shy summit]

Your own god says to love the foreigner and welcome him into your lands as if he were your own.

Yet look at your bio

[rugged gyro]

Yes I'm against Muslims living in my country

[umbral narwhal]

Hey!
How can I understand movies fluency in English??

[slender coral]

I never said vigilante killing is allowed in Islam.
Mohamed is clear with his words in the report. Quran changed it's philosophy toward multiple things through it, whether its drinking alcohol, Nikah al-mutah, etc.. and the idea that god will judge people does not negate that Muslims could be commanded to kill those.
Also, you are wrong about zanadiqa. It simply means someone who is an "atheist", it was used and still used to label Muslims who don't follow mainstream ideas, not strictly rebels. No mention of rebellion in the Hadith I brought.

Zindīq (pl. zanādiqa) is an Islamic pejorative applied to individuals who are considered to hold views or follow practices that are contrary to central Islamic dogma.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zandaqa#

[rugged gyro]

Oh nooo how dare I

[feral river]

there are no refugees, only people who intend to invade a western nation by ideology influence and resentment caused retaliation

[shy summit]

That’s not very christian of you

[feral river]

nobody in the middle east besides somebody in Gaza is starving

also Yemen

[rugged gyro]

😱

I'm gonna respond all these when I'm home

[feral river]

also they are refugees does not justify they should be accepted in another country

[manic juniper]

Aren't they supposed to take refuge in the first safe country

[shy summit]

I’m just saying. You say others are misusing your religion. But you’re not even abiding by those principles either

[slender coral]

They do. Top countries that take Muslim refugees are Muslim countries surrounding where refugees flee from.

[toxic lake]

What do you mean by that? The first world should accept refugee is that what you mean?

[manic juniper]

What's the first world

I'm saying they should take refuge in the first safe country

[shy summit]

Generally but not always. Especially if the countries they’d flee to have the same problems they’re fleeing from

[feral river]

United States of America, People's Republic of China, Russian Federation

[toxic lake]

Western countries

[feral river]

developed states in western europe

that's it

[rugged gyro]

Just because I follow Christianity doesn't mean I can't have my opinion on immigration

I support massive deportation actually

[shy summit]

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[toxic lake]

Basically you said that refugees escape to nearby country they think they will be safe, correct?

[shy summit]

That tracks

[rugged gyro]

Deport all the illegals

[shy summit]

Are you from Europe?

Or North America?

[rugged gyro]

And most of Muslims too

[manic juniper]

When Ukrainians flee from Ukraine the first safe country usually is Poland and it's reflected by how many live there

[rugged gyro]

Europe

[feral river]

you must support Trump administration

[shy summit]

But they aren’t illegal

[shy summit]

No one here is that evil

[manic juniper]

I once met someone from Gambia and he said he was a refugee in my country
But aren't there at least 5 or more safe countries between Gambia and Finland

[kind sage]

talking about immigration, how can I (a Brazilian) can go to the US nowadays? legally

[feral river]

why you are saying I'm evil 😭

that's racist

[sturdy mango]

Epic

[rugged gyro]

I don't like trump but trump over kamala any day

[shy summit]

You only wish I was racist

[sturdy mango]

My brain is bursting

[manic juniper]

How, Trump is pro-Russian

[sturdy mango]

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[rugged gyro]

Yeah we gotta pick and choose let the smart ones stay and kick low iq inbreds and everyone who demands sharia law, assaults women and kids, who doesn't respect culture and destroy churches

[manic juniper]

It can't be a coincidence that every single thing Trump does, except the Maduro arrest, benefits Russia

[toxic lake]

Problem with that is neighbour countries aren't always friendly y'know. Ideally we should help each other but country also have its own problems it need to solve too so, you can't rely them to take all refugees.

[gloomy frost]

Busting?

[shy summit]

Did you just call muslims inbred and low iq…?

[rugged gyro]

Kamala is woke and stupid

[manic juniper]

Yeah but they don't kill Gambians in many of those safe countries, for example if I were a refugee I wouldn't end up in Japan, that would be ridiculous. It's far from where I live and there are many more closer safe countries

[sturdy mango]

Real

[feral river]

well they aren't low iq but they should be deported because they clearly violate laws and commit crimes and attempt the cause a national security disaster to the nation

[manic juniper]

It's better than being pro-Russian tho, Trump may help deleting your country from the world map

[opal surge]

A thought just spawned in my head: Why is english so painfully slow?
I know 2 languages: polish and english. When I compare them to each other, it is much faster to convey a message in polish than in english. I know that languages have different speeds, but that's not what I mean. I've noticed that english takes much more time to express simple thoughts, for example: | I don't eat vs Nie jem | | I don't think so vs Nie sądzę | | I've been thinking vs Myślałem | . English is very blocky and bad at delivering information in fast speed. I think both of these languages could be considered as slow. English should compensate by being spoken faster, yet it isn't.

[rugged gyro]

Noo

[feral river]

also they are mostly illegal aliens in the country

[rugged gyro]

That would be so inappropriate

[sturdy mango]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-empty-brain-out-brain-meme-brain-no-brain-meme-gif-1120718379326435330

Islamophobes

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[rugged gyro]

Inbreds are low iq ones they shouldn't be marrying their cousins

[feral river]

they would used to commit crime and use their ideology to influence society which damage the national interest of the country

[shy summit]

Perhaps you should take a break, drink some water, reflect on what you said and reconsider if that was appropriate for this forum.

[manic juniper]

I'm sorry for you guys in Caucasus but literally your countries are small and some of you (Armenia and Azerbaijan) allied with Russia, Russia only has Turkey opposing them there. Your countries may stop existing in some decades

[rugged gyro]

Nah I'm good

[shy summit]

I insist

[manic juniper]

It's one of the shittiest place to exist geographically

[ornate dirge]

hey @misty zinc , @stable magnet ,

[feral river]

well isn't Baku the largest oil fields of Russia

[rugged gyro]

I don't want to

[feral river]

I thought Azerbajan Soviet Socialist Republic was still part of Russia

[opal surge]

No it's Siberia

[opal surge]

Girl you are 36 years behind

[slender coral]

You will be muted bro don't argue further 😭

[feral river]

but I'm hot

hot solves everything bro

[opal surge]

no

[sturdy mango]

Isn't this allowed in Christianity too

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[sturdy mango]

[gloomy frost]

Stop goooning.

[sturdy mango]

I don't

[shy summit]

Lies

[gloomy frost]

Sure buddy, whatever you say.

[sturdy mango]

Noooooooo

[sturdy mango]

Hi ily

[gloomy frost]

Ihy.

[feral river]

why the heck you are this liberal I wonder damn much about it

[real lily]

What's happening, why is this chat always an active war field

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

We goon together

[sturdy mango]

[feral river]

at least I got a field for Republicans

[sturdy mango]

Actually I have an interesting story

[real lily]

Why should one not be liberal

[feral river]

Hail the Supreme Leader

[real lily]

Who is that?

Xi Jinping?

[shy summit]

We’re not deprived of education enough to have one of those

[gloomy frost]

I hate you for ily.

[feral river]

a good reason to abolish DOE

[shy summit]

This is a clown-ass take

[feral river]

proven educational scam to indoctrinate people to become liberals

[opal surge]

I join this question

[real lily]

Ugh 2026 is hurting my brain

[opal surge]

Yes

[gloomy frost]

How? 2026 has been great.

[shy summit]

Brother liberal bias is generally a result of knowing more, not indoctrination.

[real lily]

I'm exhausted, physically and mentally. Too much has been happening

[opal surge]

Yes

That's why you should take a bath

[real lily]

Just too eventful

[shy summit]

If being correct is woke then my eyes are open wider than the Mariana Trench.

[real lily]

AHDHDJDBDGUSBDHDI HOW'D YOU KNOW I WAS PROCRASTINATING ON THAT

[shy summit]

Stinky. Go bathe

[real lily]

I just came back from gym I really need a shower

[real lily]

😭🙏🏻 Okay fam

[opal surge]

No you need a bath

get yourself a bath

[gloomy frost]

In a good way or bad?

[opal surge]

a nice one with warm water

[feral river]

that's because they didn't learn very much about conservatism philosophy

[opal surge]

some candles

[shy summit]

School doesn’t teach liberal or conservative philosophy

[opal surge]

idk anything that would make you relax even bottles will do

[shy summit]

It teaches facts

[feral river]

I'm not saying they should defend slavery and racism to be conservative but at least hold a position that is swinging between these

[shy summit]

That’s not school’s job

[opal surge]

between slavery and racism?

[shy summit]

It teaches you to function in society. Tolerating your peers is a requirement to a functional democracy.

That’s not woke that’s just preschool shit

[feral river]

by telling people everybody enjoy a human right regardless of their nationality ?

that is out of the line dude

[real lily]

😭

[opal surge]

yes exactly that

[real lily]

Lmao that's the most liberal thing you could think of?

[feral river]

saying everybody even aliens deserve US constitutional rights

[opal surge]

Minecraft is a grifter don't listen to her

[feral river]

it's like what in the fucking shit

[shy summit]

Brother, it’s teaching kids not to bully others

That’s it

[opal surge]

Have you ever met an alien?

[shy summit]

The fuck are you on about

[real lily]

Slightly negative leaning

[feral river]

oh really then why he's about to abolish it

if it's just teaching kids not to bully

[opal surge]

Trumps dumb

[feral river]

Trump is smart asf to defend his interest group and Jeffery Epstein

don't question his IQ

[shy summit]

Because if you call something woke then get rid of it, his dumbass base will think he did a good thing, not realizing he just cancelled suicide watch campaigns

[real lily]

??? That's so horrible of you to say

[shy summit]

What the fuck

[opal surge]

I genuinely think Minecraft is a troll hired by the russian government

[feral river]

that's not a secret, everybody knows

[shy summit]

Don’t defend it

Only warning

[shy summit]

He’s Chinese

[feral river]

nah I'm just saying he's smart of doing that

nothing pretty much

[opal surge]

That's not in the way of it

[shy summit]

[opal surge]

Far right politicians in poland get hired by russians all the time

[real lily]

He's smart for protecting a p*dophile?

[gloomy frost]

Ok buddy, Good luck man.

[real lily]

Thanks, likewise

[shy summit]

I think that requires a level of subtlety Mine does not possess.

[feral river]

well Jeffery Epstein wasn't just a p*dophile actually

[slender coral]

He seems to have views that think states don't have moral obligations, and that on a state level whoever has power can do whatever they want. But in addition to that, he often seems to be just trolling here.

[shy summit]

[feral river]

he's one of the core link that provide the best services to upper class people

[gloomy frost]

There's a clear distinction between Intellect and morality for Minecraft_652

[shy summit]

“The best services”

Mine, you’re soundin’ really fucking sus right now

[feral river]

that's what he have done, well that's the reason he had so many links with these top bureaucrats even the President

they have to redact the file almost entirely covered or else it's gonna be a huge drama

[opal surge]

omg I just got what you mean lol.

[feral river]

again I'm just talking about the truth, I didn't defend him neither his activity, but he is the man to serve these people

[real lily]

People of the serious chat should file an appeal for Minecraft to shorten his name for easier conversations

[shy summit]

How does “Pedo Defender” sound?

[opal surge]

I shall file an appeal to give Minecraft a serious-chat ban

[feral river]

I'm not a fucking p*do defender

[opal surge]

they are not serious at all

[shy summit]

It’s been tried.

[opal surge]

😭

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/choso-jujutsu-kaisen-imitadora-jjk-jjk-memes-gif-6080641770777888361

[feral river]

they tried like 5 times

[opal surge]

how are you still standing heree

[real lily]

What came out of it then

[shy summit]

Getting rid of Mine is like trying to ban Ronald McDonald from McDonalds.

He’s a clown but he’s our clown.

[feral river]

because I'm Minecraft

Minecraft is invincible

[opal surge]

no

[slender coral]

He actually got muted and banned multiple times. They'll eventually have enough of him I guess.

[feral river]

I had federal immunity

[real lily]

He's kept as an engagement bait for newcomers, I think

He baits people to argue more

[shy summit]

The fact that you don’t realize why is both sad and funny… 😔

[opal surge]

SHE'S HIRED BY THE SERVER STAFF

[real lily]

Capitalists finding profit in capitalists

[feral river]

you would enjoy and glad that I'm not that right to support racism and slavery everyday

[opal surge]

Minecraft how's life in Taipei?

[feral river]

not pretty bad I never been to Taipei

[cerulean pivot]

Exactly

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-gif-25791245

[real lily]

Do you live in Chongqing?

[woven quail]

Epic horsey leader no way 😭

[feral river]

nah I live in Jinan

[opal surge]

No she lives in a Kunming suburb

[real lily]

I MEANT NANJING BTW

[woven quail]

I thought she’s he

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinan

[real lily]

Because of the sister Hong incident

[opal surge]

alright then they I guess

[real lily]

Do you know about the sister hong incident, Minecraft

[woven quail]

He/she/they/gay

[feral river]

never heard of it

[opal surge]

❓

[real lily]

Is it nice?

[woven quail]

[feral river]

just fine I ever been to a lot of countries

[opal surge]

I live in Jilu

[feral river]

I will finally get to America

[woven quail]

Hell nah

[real lily]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Sister_Hong_incident

[feral river]

I don't give a shit to civil issues

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-souljaboy-soulja-boy-huh-soulja-boy-tyga-gif-4086522772699119831

[real lily]

Why not? Don't they affect you as a chinese citizen?

[sturdy mango]

1. A report's** "clear words"** do not eliminate the need for interpretation.
   Islamic law has never been derived solely from one report. Prophetic practice, Qur'anic principles, context, and corroboration are all important.
   Because of this, there has historically been disagreement among jurists regarding apostasy, including whether or not there is any punishment in this world

2. The "changing philosophy" of the Qur'an does not imply that killing for religious reasons is acceptable
   Like alcohol, gradual legislation focuses on social regulation rather than conscience-based punishment.
   The Qur'an does not prescribe any human punishment for those who believe, disbelieve, and then believe again.
   From a methodological standpoint, that is important.

3. In Islamic law, "God will judge" is a legal boundary rather than a catchphrase.
   Islamic law makes a distinction between crimes decided by courts and sins judged by God.
   The Qur'an consistently places belief in the former category.

4. Regarding zindiq/zanadiqa You are correct that the term encompasses more than just "rebel." In the past, it was used to describe individuals who were accused of politically and publicly undermining Islam
   these individuals were frequently dualists, , or secret groups thought to be causing social unrest.
   That's exactly the point: it wasn't "someone who privately stops believing," but rather a political-theological category.
   Modern atheism as a personal identity is not equivalent to classical usage.

5. Lastly, even proponents of punishment in classical law never permitted vigilante murder. It is already more in line with historical treason law than belief policing because it was always presented as a state matter with courts, evidence standards, and barriers. Therefore, portraying this as **"Islam commands Muslims to kill apostates" **is still oversimplified and ignores legal theory, juristic disagreement, and the primacy of the Qur'an.

[feral river]

I don't care because that doesn't affect me

[real lily]

How does it not affect you if you live in MainLand China

[real lily]

Have you heard of the toad president

[bitter jackal]

Hi

[feral river]

if they didn't reach the scale of influence that does surpass Jeffery Epstein I would ignore

even Jeffery Epstein wasn't that huge

the administration could hold it off

[opal surge]

so you love smaller issues, got it

[stark aurora]

Can a non-native speaker reach higher than c1?

[real lily]

Why not?

[stark aurora]

@sturdy mango why did you "😭" me?

[stark aurora]

Idk I heard someone say the highest a non-native speaker can reach is c1 and you would have to move to an English speaking country or be born in an English speaking country to reach c2

[cerulean pivot]

No
It's over

Learn another language

[opal surge]

yes, in fact, a lot of native speakers don't reach c2 unless they have higher education

around 10% of native speakers are c2

then almost everyone else is c1

[stark aurora]

I tried taking a c2 test before, the only thing I understood was the word "the"(jk but you get the idea, it's really freaking hard)

[opal surge]

how did it look like

[stark aurora]

I don't remember but I just answered 5 questions(all wrong probably) then just gave up and went to doom scrolling for the next century or so

[opal surge]

and that's where you made your mistake

[stark aurora]

?

[opal surge]

did you even check the answers afterwards?

did you get the results?

[stark aurora]

Nah, all the questions were words I didn't understand, so for the choice options too

[stark aurora]

No I just closed the whole test

[cerulean pivot]

Coward

[opal surge]

do you have an example phrase? do you still have the test somewhere and is it free?

yes coward

[stark aurora]

I don't remember what test it is but yeah it was free

[opal surge]

ikjgvfcxcvhjmhgxsdhnhjhjjjjjjjjvc

I WANT TO CHECK IT OUT 😭

[stark aurora]

If you want to test your English I recommend EF set test(not the c2 test but it's pretty good+it's free and accessible+it's actually humanily possible)

[stark aurora]

I was scared to summon Satan by accident

Cause let me tell ya, that shi wasn't English

[sturdy mango]

relax

[stark aurora]

Or what?

[sturdy mango]

jorking my peanits

[opal surge]

I love languages! I really want to learn this old anglish!

[stark aurora]

Hmmm I couldn't care less

[opal surge]

real

[cerulean pivot]

These brits are just making up hard words to feel special ong ong

[opal surge]

they are allowed to do that since they came up with the language in the first place 😠

It's not like muricans are not doing it either

pacifier vs dummy for example

[stark aurora]

Aww the cutie patotie fell for the rage bait

[opal surge]

dummy is the first word

[opal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/turn-around-everything-everywhere-all-at-once-what-was-that-what-did-you-say-lionsgate-gif-25791637

[stark aurora]

Yeah they wanna feel better than the rest of us(at least I am not scared of getting a 9 inch knife inside of me, like they are)

[opal surge]

I've got no time for that

[opal surge]

Well, at least the brits are not scared of being shot by an ice agent, like the americans are

[stark aurora]

I am Egyptian tho

[stark aurora]

There's a shorter 15 mins one

[opal surge]

ok

thank you

[opal surge]

ty ill come back in 15 minutes

[stark aurora]

Btw mid test you'll feel terrible and like you never learned English and you will get a2 result but don't worry you didn't mess up you're fine

[real lily]

Which test is it???

[stark aurora]

Scroll up

[stark aurora]

@opal surge

[stark aurora]

It doesn't actually take that time cause you don't actually have to finish it in 90 minutes, 90 minutes is just the celling you can't go above but you can finish it in like 20 minutes if you're fast and good enough

[real lily]

Nooooo, tell me the name please

Or just share the site, I'd be super grateful

[stark aurora]

EF set test, there's 90 minutes or 50 minutes or 15 minutes, btw that time Is only the celling, you can finish it in less than quarter the time if you're fast enough and good enough

https://www.efset.org/

@real lily

[real lily]

Tysmmmmmm!!! Be right back in 15 minutes

[stark aurora]

The More time the more accurate btw

Like the 15 mins got me b1-b2 but the 50 mins got me c1

[opal surge]

No...

I don't want to fill that information

[stark aurora]

Enter fake name, burner Gmail, fake year, number not needed, any country

[opal surge]

i already closed the site

[opal surge]

Haha, I think the test was actually quite easy 😎

[stark aurora]

Btw the 50 mins one you can do it only once per 90 days and the 90 day one only.... Once in your existence, it hardware bans you even with vpn or anything

[stark aurora]

Yeah the short test is quite easy

[opal surge]

Jokes aside, there were some hard questions, but I think that I managed

[stark aurora]

Take the 50 or 90 minute one, very worth it

I took the 90 minutes one and got c1

[opal surge]

I got a lot of questions regarding a university

[opal surge]

Not now

I want to play games vro

[stark aurora]

Yeah they like neutral topics

[stark aurora]

Yeah sure loser(jk live your life man)

[opal surge]

I rearranged the furniture in my room and honestly I feel much more relaxed right now

[tiny crag]

Hi

[opal surge]

bi

[opal surge]

Or yk what I'm gonna read A BOOK

[stark aurora]

Sure

[opal surge]

Do you like Matilda by Roald Dahl

That's going to be my second read

[stark aurora]

Nope never heard of it

[opal surge]

I'm almost at the end

[opal surge]

Did you watch the movie Matilda from 1996?

It's based on this book

[opal surge]

the story is a little different though

[stark aurora]

Holy

[opal surge]

Beginner huh...

[stark aurora]

Take the 90 minutes one, at your level it's very worth it

[real lily]

Tysm! I'll try

[stark aurora]

Good luck

[real lily]

I'm tempted to give the 15 minutes test again and try for a perfect score

[stark aurora]

Don't, a waste of time

Just go for the 90 minutes one

Read questions don't just go straight to answers like I did on the 50 minute one

[real lily]

Okay okay

[feral river]

https://x.com/gop/status/2015834676426936447?s=46

GOP (@GOP)

X · Jan 26, 2026, 5:10 PM

fact check guys

[real lily]

I messed up

I don't know where I went wrong though, I think my bad memory made me lose in the questions where it'd just BOMBARD me with spoken info

I forgot a lot of stuff that it'd say even if I understood it

[opal surge]

Wdym your score is c2 proficient

[real lily]

But I know I got some questions wrong

[opal surge]

so what

[real lily]

So that affects the grade

[opal surge]

but the grade is still c2 proficient\

[stark aurora]

Mid

[real lily]

Yes, but it's 75

[opal surge]

so what

[stark aurora]

Jk you did great, be proud

[opal surge]

don't be a perfectionist

you did a great job

[real lily]

Thank you stone

How much did you get

[opal surge]

i didn't do it

I was reading a book instead

[real lily]

Thank you, xyz

[stark aurora]

Np king

[real lily]

😭😭😭😭😭 YOU WERE BEING PRODUCTIVE

[opal surge]

haha

[real lily]

I wasted my time doing silly quizes

[opal surge]

it was in english too

[real lily]

Which book were you reading

[opal surge]

not really, doing quizzes is fun and actually gives you confidence and slightly increases your comprehension

[opal surge]

Matilda by Roald Dahl

i think i want to play games now

i'm gonna hop in between voice chats and play my game in the background bye

[real lily]

Ooh wow, it's such a good book, I just spoiled it for myself by reading a sweet summary, it sounds like a very good storyline

Have a good time reading

Or playing games, whatever you end up doing

[thorny steeple]

Matilda?
I stopped in the middle of it

Anyone recommend for me books?

[slender coral]

Because of this, there has historically been disagreement among jurists regarding apostasy, including whether or not there is any punishment in this world
Can you give any examples of older scholars reject the apostasy death penalty?

The Qur'an does not prescribe any human punishment for those who believe, disbelieve, and then believe again.
From a methodological standpoint, that is important.
Islamic jurisdiction does not only rely on Quran, Hadiths are taken into account as well.

In Islamic law, "God will judge" is a legal boundary rather than a catchphrase.
Islamic law makes a distinction between crimes decided by courts and sins judged by God.
The Qur'an consistently places belief in the former category.
These categories can be implicit, but since there is a Hadith that clearly states apostates should be killed, then it puts into something that can be punished in this life.

That's exactly the point: it wasn't "someone who privately stops believing," but rather a political-theological category.
Modern atheism as a personal identity is not equivalent to classical usage.
When you say it's a theological category that basically means that it's a punishment that's used against those who are theologically different. There's nothing such as old or new atheism, and the law doesn't only apply to atheists, the apostasy death penalty is used against anyone who leaves Islam regardless of their new religion/philosophy. And both the texts and the scholars did not distinguish between just believing in something different and rebelling against the state.

Lastly, even proponents of punishment in classical law never permitted vigilante murder
I never claimed it permitted vigilante murder.
Therefore, portraying this as "Islam commands Muslims to kill apostates" is still oversimplified
It's not. You basically say that apostates should be executed, therefor you are saying apostates should be killed. It's still oppressing people and killing them.

[sterile fractal]

Helloe

[slender coral]

Hi

Would you like to talk about something?

[sterile fractal]

Sure

[slender coral]

What's something you often think about these days?

[sterile fractal]

Future

Or the past

[main zephyr]

Hello 😺

[sturdy mango]

1. Abū Ḥanīfa (50 AH)
did not view apostasy as a crime in and of itself.
He:
completely rejected the execution of female apostates
Punishment based on political disobedience rather than a shift in beliefs
This is crucial: disbelief was not the only reason for punishment, even in those cases

2. Islamic law makes use of Hadith and the Qur'an.
   However, usūl al-fiqh enforces rules of hierarchy and interpretation.
   Apostasy is mentioned several times in the Qur'an, but it is never punished in this world, even when:

"They believe, disbelieve, then believe once more." (Q 4:137)

a) The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, never executed Muslims who left Islam unless they were a threat
b) The Prophet Muhammad imposed death on those who betrayed him and/or shifted allegiances during war (or engaged in hostile rebellious activity against his authority)
c) The other hadiths prescribe execution for rebellion against the Muslim community, not for changing religion
Thus, many scholars classify apostasy as a rebellion in the same category of crime as ḥirābah (rebellion), and not as a mere crime against God.

4. Traditionally:
   Ridda does not equal Private Disbelief.
   Ridda means a public departure from Loyalty to a State.
   Breaking your Oath
   Joining the Enemies of Your State
   Endangering a State with an Emerging and Fragile Political Structure
   This is because:
   There has not been a Private worldview of Atheism prior to the 20th century.
   Identity, Law, and Loyalty were closely linked.
   You are correct that the Law applied regardless of the new faith, but it was not your New Belief that caused Suspension of the Law; it was your Public Departure from the State and the Threat you posed to the State.

5. They did, although they didn't do so perfectly. Evidence for this is as follows: there was no punishment for secret apostasy,
   there was no punishment for women (per Abū Ḥanīfa),
   and there was no execution of the apostate until they publicly declared their apathy, or were unwilling to accept reconciliation, or had caused perceived harm to society.
   If belief was the only thing being punished, then none of the aforementioned distinctions would exist.

6. The statement,** "Islam commands that all Muslims kill apostates,**" is incorrect for several reasons:

• It lacks an individual command,
  -It is not universally applicable,
• There is no abortion of apostasy.
• These distinctions are substantial and serve to clarify the law as well as provide a proper understanding of its meaning.

[sturdy mango]

Hello

[gloomy frost]

Who's leader art thou?

[slender coral]

Abu Hanifa did not reject the apostasy death penalty, he just framed it political. He and the followers of the Hanafi Madhab suppose that leaving the religion in of itself is an act of political defiance, he supposes the shift itself imply that.

My question was "Can you give any examples of older scholars reject the apostasy death penalty" and that certainly not it. If you think I'm wrong here you can quote the man.

[sturdy mango]

IbnHishām's "Sīrat Rasūl Allāh" includes many examples of people (including ʿAbdullāh ibn Ubayy) who acted against the Muslims, but they were not executed simply for leaving their religion.
Al-Bukhārī had an established rule that it was only in instances where apostasy was coupled with murder, fighting the Muslims, or aiding their enemies that one would be executed by the Prophet ﷺ, not merely for changing one's belief.
The Qur'ān itself mentions apostasy, but at no point indicates that there is a penalty imposed for it in this life (2:256; 4:136). This leads us to continue to view changing one's belief alone as not deserving of a death penalty. Historical documentation also highlights ʿUmar b. ʿAbd al-ʿAzīz had a preference for imprisoning an apostate instead of executing him; it helps establish the separation of apostasy from the commission of a crime.
As a result of these examples, it is clear that early Islam did not mandate the death penalty for apostasy.

[slender coral]

Abdullah ibn Ubayy was not publicly an apostate, it was claimed that he was a Munafiq "hypocrite" but he publicly converted to Islam. I know this because I listened to the Egyptian Islamic history scholar Raghib al-Sirgani lectures on the Sirah.
Here's what the Wikipedia article says:

Abd-Allah ibn Ubayy (Arabic: عبد الله بن أبي بن سلول, died 631), also called Ibn Salul in reference to his grandmother, was a chief of the Arab tribe Banu Khazraj and one of the leading men of Medina (then known as Yathrib). Upon the arrival of Muhammad, Ibn Ubayy became a Muslim, but the sincerity of his conversion is disputed. Because of repeated conflicts with Muhammad, Islamic tradition has labelled him a munafiq or hypocrite (plural: munafiqun) and "leader of the munafiqun".[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_Allah_ibn_Ubayy#

I asked you for quotes and you brought none, in addition to the absence of any sources for these claims.

These are the lectures I referred to.
https://audio.islamweb.net/audio/index.php?page=lecview&sid=985&lg=547

[fresh flower]

Oh

[turbid dome]

I noticed Quran 4:137 wasn’t even cited in full above, so I’m just going to add the full context of everything surrounding it to change from “they believe, disbelieve, and believe once more” into the full context.

4:136-4:143

O believers! Have faith in Allah, His Messenger, the Book He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Scriptures He revealed before. Indeed, whoever denies Allah, His angels, His Books, His messengers, and the Last Day has clearly gone far astray.

Indeed, those who believed then disbelieved, then believed and again disbelieved—˹only˺ increasing in disbelief—Allah will neither forgive them nor guide them to the ˹Right˺ Way.

Give good news of a painful punishment to hypocrites,

who choose disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do they seek honour and power through that company? Surely all honour and power belongs to Allah

He has already revealed to you in the Book that when you hear Allah’s revelations being denied or ridiculed, then do not sit in that company unless they engage in a different topic, or else you will be like them. Surely Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers all together in Hell.

˹The hypocrites are˺ those who wait to see what happens to you. So if Allah grants you victory, they say ˹to you˺, “Were we not on your side?” But if the disbelievers have a share ˹of victory˺, they say ˹to them˺, “Did we not have the advantage over you, yet we protected you from the believers?” Allah will judge between ˹all of˺ you on the Day of Judgment. And Allah will never grant the disbelievers a way over the believers.

Surely the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but He outwits them. When they stand up for prayer, they do it half-heartedly only to be seen by people—hardly remembering Allah at all

Torn between belief and disbelief—belonging neither to these ˹believers˺ nor those ˹disbelievers˺. And whoever Allah leaves to stray, you will never find for them a way.

[sly apex]

Too serious

[slender coral]

Idk how the Quran manages to say a lot without much substance.

[mint parrot]

Did you type all of it or just copied

[slender coral]

It has always felt strange to me, even as a kid.

[turbid dome]

Talent

[turbid dome]

Copied

[soft star]

What's the main contention?

[mint parrot]

My eyes got hurt during reading

[turbid dome]

On a serious note it comes across as a guy forgetting what he said and repeating himself

[turbid dome]

Lmaooooo

[sturdy mango]

Thanks for mentioning

[mint parrot]

This chat is too kafr

[turbid dome]

#1 Kafr here

[sturdy mango]

You can dislike the Qur’an’s style, but that doesn’t change what it actually says and it doesn’t command killing apostates.

[sturdy mango]

😭😭😭

[mint parrot]

Take me out on it

[turbid dome]

What 😭😭😭

[slender coral]

I didn't claim it does.

I guess we wouldn't reach an agreement here, let's agree to disagree.

[mint parrot]

I thought you were islamicphobia too

[real lily]

They are a Muslim

[thorny steeple]

im a true hater

❤️

[sturdy mango]

I'm muslim 💀

[thorny steeple]

when did this happen

[mint parrot]

A Muslim who has islamphobia

[sturdy mango]

WTF

[real lily]

Phoiba?

[mint parrot]

Just kidding

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/flcl-mamimi-aaahhh-wtf-shocked-gif-24981847

[thorny steeple]

soya

[real lily]

soya?

[thorny steeple]

soya

[sick bronze]

soja

[thorny steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1451923642274283570/1455457561544491048/image0.gif

[thorny steeple]

nooooooo

[sick bronze]

[sturdy mango]

Leaving a belief is like emigrating;
helping an enemy during war is treason
those are not the same things

[thorny steeple]

today was only tge first day after a two day weekend and im already tired and back to crazy

i might as well puke my pill and rest with my wife

[mint parrot]

People's belief looks like something private no need for everyone to know about their beliefs

[slender coral]

I wish more Muslims had this mentality.

[sturdy mango]

Make sense

Wait wrong ping

[sturdy mango]

Leaving a belief harms no one
betraying a community through actions does. Those are not the same

[real lily]

Christianity is no better, honestly

[thorny steeple]

there was some blood but this should do

[real lily]

Toxicity exists in all religious communities though

[real lily]

Blood where?

[thorny steeple]

schizo is a miracle of god

[thorny steeple]

mostly everywhere

[real lily]

Are you schizophrenic?

[thorny steeple]

no idea

@thorny steeple hi long time no see

[real lily]

Wow, you're spiraling

Take a shower immediately

[thorny steeple]

im joking btw

[sturdy mango]

@thorny steeple I saw u pooping on street yesterday

[mint parrot]

What do you mean by betraying a community

[thorny steeple]

bro if i was real schizo you would have killed me with the shower thingy😭

[sturdy mango]

It's long ahh story , nvm

[thorny steeple]

it was a hallucination

[sturdy mango]

It was YOU

[real lily]

I'm sorry, I shower when I get a brainfog

[thorny steeple]

im not real

[thorny steeple]

i guess it must mire be like burnout rather than brainfog

bro i literally give advice💀

[real lily]

Maybe yeah

[real lily]

Are you a med student or something? 😔

[thorny steeple]

yes but dont worry i study for hours before doing so

[mint parrot]

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-this-is-fine-gif-20102174

[real lily]

WAIT REALLY? You are a med student? Awesome, Good luck man

[thorny steeple]

nyzas if you dont share stuff, you will drown one day from the weight

[real lily]

I hate studying, studying hurts my brain

[thorny steeple]

wait you thought i was some hippy?

[real lily]

But I also like it when it's not rushed

[thorny steeple]

i see i see

[real lily]

Just not anything from the curriculum

[thorny steeple]

💀

[slender coral]

I think there are more secular Christians than secular Muslims. They are often in more positions of power in their countries too.

[thorny steeple]

forcing kniwledge never works

[real lily]

Definitely I agree, I also think people associate Islam with extremism more because of this reason

Such leaders rise to power, and in turn radicalise more of their population. Some ideologies of the leaders do reflect on the general population too, that's also probably why there is negative rep around that faith

[thorny steeple]

every society had a peak of their age, doesnt mean you still have to live like that time only. That's a bummer.

[real lily]

I agree, I think studying what you're really good at and passionate about together, is the key. I am passionate about science but I'm not good at it, I do like Maths but that's about it. I've never really liked stuff that's been taught in my class till now

I'm switching to Law major this year and I couldn't be happier

The amount of weight I've had on myself to finish this whole thing altogether was mindboggling. But it's amazing I pulled through, I never thought I had the ability too

[thorny steeple]

i understand

[thorny steeple]

well you are really strong for doing that

[real lily]

Yep, I have huge respect for you all, all the Med students and science students. This is definitely not everyone's cup of tea

[thorny steeple]

i see

i dont see us the same though

[real lily]

Thank you so much, I really appreciate that

[thorny steeple]

no problemo

[real lily]

Why not

[thorny steeple]

i dont know, sometimes overthinking and trying to know more is wrong. You get nothing but pain from it. Though there is a truth behind it.

slay

[real lily]

Wouldn't it be me neither

[uneven olive]

Эахаххахахахахах

[thorny steeple]

it should be nor me

[uneven olive]

I see

[thorny steeple]

or me neither

[thorny steeple]

we see

[mossy cargo]

all of us r fascists right

[thorny steeple]

no im a psychopath/sociopath

[mossy cargo]

if u think ur a sociopath or physcopath then ur not

[thorny steeple]

how sure can you be

[mossy cargo]

because a physco or socio wouldnt admit it

[thorny steeple]

AYO

I JUST GOT A FREE PDF FOR DSM 5

SO COOL

[thorny steeple]

sociopath do mostly

[mossy cargo]

bro no sociopath would openly come out and admit theyre one

they r impulsive and manipulative people

but maybe compared to a physco or narc

[ornate shore]

Damn
A nice topic i see

[ornate shore]

What makes u think that way?

[thorny steeple]

a sociopath does not understand the emotional aspects of society and individuals. They will need help from others to get into the society.

[ornate shore]

That’s an oversimplification

Sociopathy and psychopathy aren’t clinical terms
and people with ASPD can understand emotions and function in society

[ornate shore]

That's not how morden psychology describes it today

U are talking about the old ones

[thorny steeple]

woah

[thorny steeple]

i guess you are mixing ASPD and schi zoid personality disorder

[thorny steeple]

yeah only in forensic science

[slender coral]

No يالزقرت

[thorny steeple]

devil when did we join al-||chilledicecream||

[slender coral]

Tf is that?

[coral belfry]

then where is your supreme leader?

[rugged gyro]

I'm unmuted

[slender coral]

Welcome back

[rugged gyro]

Does it worth it to read all the barkings i was pinged to?

[sick bronze]

feels like you get muted every day atp

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-bike-monkey-drive-monkey-ride-away-monkey-run-away-gif-6134122702598283748

[slender coral]

Probably not

[rugged gyro]

Only twicee

Oh I'm here for 10 days

I'd be banned in other servers by now

[rugged gyro]

Ah you're right

[slender coral]

Just don't say hateful stuff and you'd be mostly fine.

[rugged gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/the-devil-made-me-do-it-warner-bros-gif-21324500

Not my fault

[slender coral]

I didn't make you do anything

[rugged gyro]

Let's blame nale

[fresh flower]

Those conjuring movies are legit garbage

[rugged gyro]

I love the conjuring universe

[fresh flower]

I get that part, but the movies themselves?

They're like final destination

[rugged gyro]

There are many movies in conjuring universe some are good some isn't

Conjuring 1 and 2 are good 3 is garbage

4 was funny

The curse of la llorona meh

The nun 1 good 2 ok

Horror of Amityville

Amazing

Annabelle 1 terrible

2 and 3 good

[final jasper]

@slender coral Hey, You know we've debated a long time ago on the topic of treating womens as property in islam and you've showed me a hadith too. I've found a Quranic verse which makes it clear.

4:19 Quran

uhh idk how to use the bot

The Women (4:19)
"O believers! It is not permissible for you to inherit women against their will or mistreat them to make them return some of the dowry ˹as a ransom for divorce˺—unless they are found guilty of adultery. Treat them fairly. If you happen to dislike them, you may hate something which Allah turns into a great blessing."

Qur’an 4:19 explicitly says women cannot be inherited against their will. Property is inherited; women are not. That verse alone disproves the claim that Islam treats women as property.

[velvet laurel]

Hallo

[shy summit]

Okay but this doesn’t define fair treatment or mistreatment.

[turbid dome]

Inherit? Meaning marry a widow?

Ok so widows can’t be married against their will (unless they commit adultery) but still doesn’t prove anything besides that lmao.

[turbid dome]

If anything, the idea that you could “inherit” a woman shows the attitude that they are considered property.

[cerulean pivot]

From now on I'll only communicate with emojis

Speaking is so mutable these days

[slender coral]

I didn't mean that women are literally property in Islam (although they can literally be in slavery), when people state that women are like property in Islam it's mostly metaphorical as in having lesser rights than men and being controlled by them.

[final jasper]

it does

[turbid dome]

How

[final jasper]

you know in the past,Before, the practice was that when a man dies, his male relatives used to have the right to do whatever they wanted with his wife. If one of them wants, he would marry her, give her in marriage, or prevent her from marriage, for they had more right to her than her own family. Thereafter, this Ayah was revealed about this practice to stop and the hadith you were referring to does not says that womens should be or are treated as property. It was the time of ignorance. the Disapproval of the Prophet itself discourages.

[final jasper]

I think I may not bother answering

[turbid dome]

It just says to treat them fairly but doesn’t describe fairness

[final jasper]

have you read the Quran?

[turbid dome]

Bits and pieces

[final jasper]

you're judging the whole from the bits

[turbid dome]

Can I judge a criminal by the crime they committed even if I don’t know everything about them?

[final jasper]

anyways, I guess it's enough for you to understand. if you insist to argue more, then I may consider you a person who is blind for guidance.

[manic juniper]

Not very convincing isn't it

[turbid dome]

Lmao

[final jasper]

Does Quran commit to "treat them fairly but doesn’t describe fairness
"? If your Answer is Yes, I think you should reread the Quran

and also show me

[errant yacht]

[final jasper]

famous English Author I've heard

[errant yacht]

That's Jane Austen the writer, Jane Eyre is basically a novel named after the protagonist of the book itself

[final jasper]

my memory is weak lol, I've read about her in my previous class

[turbid dome]

It claims specifically in the passage you showed to treat specifically inherited widows fairly.

Though I think burden of proof would be an excellent concept to apply. As you are claiming a positive, you would have to show where it defined fair treatment of inherited widows (or a broader category under which inherited widows would apply). The alternative would be me having to show every single line in the Quran.

Also, I was talking specifically about that one line lmao. You’re using one line out of many in a book, completely divorced from the rest of the book, and claiming it as representative, without addressing any possible contradictions to the claim.

[errant yacht]

@turbid dome hiya

[turbid dome]

Hi

[errant yacht]

Hi there sir

[turbid dome]

So if I was to give you the criminal record of Jeffrey Epstein and nothing else about him it’s unfair for me to judge him?

So if I thought Jeffrey Epstein was bad for child s trafficking you would have an objection?

[manic juniper]

What about 🍇?

[turbid dome]

Ngl I’d rather take the bullet

[cerulean pivot]

I don't want to get banned

[lyric hinge]

Who comes first egg or hen?

So how dinasaurs came ?

[fresh flower]

I'll protect you kitten

[final jasper]

Property can't own property. The Quran (4:7 and 4:32) gave women the right to own their own money and land. If they were property, that would be legally impossible. Verse 4:19 doesn’t just 'treat widows fairly'. it explicitly bans people from inheriting them.

If you can’t see that banning the inheritance of a person is the opposite of treating them like property, that's a 'you' problem. I’m not going to keep explaining the basics to someone who’s just looking for a fight. Stay stuck if you want, I’m done.

[cerulean pivot]

These mods are monsters twin 😭

[fresh flower]

What happened 😠😠😠😠

[final jasper]

proves your stupidity

[cerulean pivot]

They muted me bc i repeated someone's else slur
While He just got warned

[final jasper]

that was very much wasting time with you for nothing. Hope you seek guidance.

[fresh flower]

Literally 1984

[cerulean pivot]

Ong ong

[manic juniper]

Egg first appeared 320~ million years ago, hens around 90-60 million depending on the definition

[manic juniper]

It's a group of reptiles that appeared after a mass extinction called Great Dying, they originated in the South of the supercontinent Pangaea. There already were reptiles roaming the planet but they weren't particularly big

The first dinosaurs weren't that big either, other reptiles were filling different roles around the planet

[fresh flower]

If they bother you again ping me 😠

[cerulean pivot]

Even seju didn't reply
That damn indian

[turbid dome]

I think you missed the core of devil’s above message.

Property isn’t literal, it means they have lesser rights and are treated as broodmares. By my understanding, slaves have some rights in Islam too, yet slaves are definitionally property.

And it only bans people from inheriting them unwillingly (which ignores societal pressures and is narrow regardless) and still treats them as a thing to be inherited.

Also if you think I’m stupid because I would rather die than make someone live with a lifetime of trauma, good on you lol

[final jasper]

I think I can debate with Devil about it. You should go to sleep now. It was waste of time debating with you.

I'll debate on this with Devil later.

[lavish finch]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-joe-cobra-commander-what-is-happening-whats-happening-whats-going-on-gif-22001597

[fresh flower]

James what do you think needs to happen for people in the US to start taking (Actual) action

[turbid dome]

Depends for what. Americans mostly care about self interest so it would have to harm that

[fresh flower]

Hasn't that already happened though with rising cost of living and (white) people being denied their rights

[turbid dome]

Compare that to the third world countries where they exploit people as slaves, and it’s not bad enough yet.

[mint parrot]

What do you mean by actual action

[turbid dome]

The white people getting shot is the only thing that’s caused a little bit of unrest

[mint parrot]

Oh is that so

[fresh flower]

Protests are useless imo, they're done after work, these people need to go on strikes, halt the economy

[fresh flower]

I said that like yesterday and they called me racist for attributing race to a cause

[turbid dome]

Yes, Americans hate sacrificing treats and would rather do “no to this”

[mint parrot]

I thought you were talking about iran or middle east

[turbid dome]

They shot a Venezuelan an black man before an nobody cared, they only care because these guys are white

You’re not wrong

[mint parrot]

[fresh flower]

Cop is lowkey a chill job in the US

Hardly any education, no fitness requirements, no responsibility if you shoot someone

[manic juniper]

Especially since dogs and children often can't shoot back

[mossy cargo]

حنا كلّنا فاشيين!!!

[slender coral]

The US is a crazy place.

[turbid dome]

My mom has a cousin who failed to be a cop because they’re stupid, so they just applied for being a cop at another department

[slender coral]

It worked?

[turbid dome]

Yes

[slender coral]

Lol

[turbid dome]

😭😭😭😭😭

[mint parrot]

I'm gonna say Syria is more crazy because what the fuck is that 😭

[wet flax]

they could be pretty usefull

[lavish finch]

action is not always good

[cerulean pivot]

More of طيور جهنم

[lavish finch]

Read this to know what I mean

https://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Action.html

[crystal kayak]

[mint parrot]

They are coming to erbil lmao i need to escape

[crystal kayak]

Did you vote for trump mr james

[lavish finch]

read the essay I posted

[woven quail]

Is that zazuuuuu

[high rapids]

@lavish finch Lets invade India

[mint parrot]

Why India

[sick bronze]

Easy to invade… no one wanna reconstruct the society

That’s the whole problem of today’s society

[rotund urchin]

hope vegans support this humans too

[dusk panther]

help I just joined this server while seriously expecting it to be normal lol

[lunar plume]

hi

[wet flax]

it is normal

? t

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What’s your favorite holiday movie?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[wet flax]

dude idk

?t

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What TV show character would it be the most fun to change places with for a week?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[open vault]

?t

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

If you could have an all-expenses paid trip to see any famous world monument, which monument would you choose?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[open vault]

Not interested

?t

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

Do you think that humans will ever be able to live together in harmony?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[open vault]

No

?t

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

How much do you plan for the future?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[neon sierra]

unfortunately i agree

we suck as species

[open vault]

Not all of us

I hate generalizing sorry

[neon sierra]

but

if i point out

doesnt that make me racist, even if i was about to be right

[open vault]

Do it

[neon sierra]

i cant

it is not right after all

[open vault]

There is some people are doomed to be bad forever me and u know them dw

[neon sierra]

ive seen so many videos of people getting shot

[open vault]

What they are doing isn’t right

[neon sierra]

how do you know we are on the same track

[open vault]

Enlighten me then

[neon sierra]

do you think hate is something people choose or feel

[open vault]

This is sick

[neon sierra]

where do you think i am from

[open vault]

Both someone can choose to hate someone and sometimes hate can come from something that happened to you

[neon sierra]

I agree

[open vault]

I have no idea again plz be clear

[neon sierra]

i didnt mean much with that, what i meant to say is that from what part u are of the world probably affects your way of thinking

so we might not see the world with the same eyes

[open vault]

Why are u running from the question ?

[neon sierra]

I am kurdish

[neon sierra]

no i was abt to answer lol

[open vault]

Yeah nice to meet u

I was waiting for a straight answer

[neon sierra]

sh says the same as the post above I think

[open vault]

I am Tunisian

[neon sierra]

yh ik i saw u write it

no i wanted you to reflex on the part where u said me and u know them

maybe i see u as the bad one for example

[open vault]

I mean what’s happening there are they deporting people who have legit papers or immigrants

[neon sierra]

💀

or you me as one

who is good and who is bad

idk just some questions that i cant stop thinking about

[open vault]

Ahhh okay it’s clear from the tag

People who hurt innocent people are bad

[neon sierra]

what tag

[open vault]

In the profile

[neon sierra]

totally agree, but i dont think thats something all eyes can see even if it obvious

[glossy ether]

hola amigos

[neon sierra]

u mean the depressed part ig

[glossy ether]

what religion are we dissing today?

[neon sierra]

hola chicka

[open vault]

Depression

[neon sierra]

well this month made me depessed

ive never started a year worse

[open vault]

Where plz show me

[neon sierra]

in my bio uhh huh

[open vault]

Yeah some people are sick as I said

[neon sierra]

no religion ig

but seems like ur muslim bc of that symbol or am I delusional

[open vault]

I am talking about me my profile not u

[neon sierra]

Oh LOL

[open vault]

What symbol

[neon sierra]

the moon symbol she has on her profile

[open vault]

I am muslim but there is no symbol

[neon sierra]

in islam?

[open vault]

We don’t have symbols and we don’t need them

[neon sierra]

ur right we dont have a symbol

[fresh flower]

What

[neon sierra]

idk how that moon thingy became a symbol when it is not

[fresh flower]

What's this then ☪️

[neon sierra]

idk

i think it is bc of some nations that had that one on their flags and they were muslim

like ottoman idk

[open vault]

Has nothing to do with us

[neon sierra]

tbh

do u know tamazigh

[glossy ether]

as an ambassador of islam “☪️” has everything to do with islam

[fresh flower]

Are you Sunni I don't trust yall when it comes to Islamic questions

[neon sierra]

good question actually idk

[open vault]

It’s how we count months

[neon sierra]

ohh smart

[neon sierra]

i mean we all recognise the symbol when we see it

but originally it is not a symbol of islam

[fresh flower]

Gonna ask a real Islamic scholar

[glossy ether]

nah as ambassador of islam, it is

[open vault]

Why are u shi3a ? cus u corrupted the whole religion

[glossy ether]

whats your question akhi

i have answers

[fresh flower]

@high raven Is ☪️ the symbol of Islam

[glossy ether]

shias are the originals

[neon sierra]

why a star next to it

[open vault]

Keep dreaming

[neon sierra]

are u iraqi

[fresh flower]

Bro says this while sunni countries pay jizya to the US

[open vault]

100%

[glossy ether]

ya hussain…

may allah save you from your ignorance

[neon sierra]

dw no one is going to chase you here

be free

[neon sierra]

what ignorance 😭

[fresh flower]

"Shia's kill other Muslims" meanwhile these guys prop up the US defence budget by buying their weapons

[open vault]

My country doesn’t so stop saying stupid lies

[neon sierra]

why u asking a christian, dont u got muslim friends

[fresh flower]

Say wallah with 2 L's that I'm lying?

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[open vault]

Wallah lee

And ur lying

[open vault]

Let her be

[fresh flower]

Is Saudi Arabia a sunni country or not

[open vault]

Sunni but here is the catch I am not from there and I don’t agree what they do with their money because they are corrupted

[neon sierra]

i currently dont see any islamic country that can represent islam

[high raven]

No but also yes kind of

[neon sierra]

neither do i think their practicer are right but saudi arabia is getting better by time

[open vault]

Amazigh u mean ?

[neon sierra]

exactly they kinda made it one but still it is not

[glossy ether]

it is akhi

[fresh flower]

Do you think it's hypocrisy for the gatekeepers of Mecca and Medina to buy weapons from the same guys bombing Gaza

[glossy ether]

sheikh sanna has spoken

[neon sierra]

yes i thought languagewise it is called with a t and then if u speak arabic like then its called darija

[fresh flower]

This is now discord hadith

[open vault]

I can speak darija

[neon sierra]

shes not responsible for the actions of nations especially other nations just bc shes sunni

[glossy ether]

write ts down

[neon sierra]

💀

[open vault]

Back to the generalization

[fresh flower]

HMMM CURIOUS, but somehow us Shia are responsible for what a few do? 🤔🤔🤔

[neon sierra]

now when u got ur information checked i hope u understand

[neon sierra]

dont generalise, i dont think that

[soft star]

Saudi had Cardi B twerking in the land of "Tawheed" btw

[open vault]

Yes it is but mecca and Medina has nothing to do with them because it was made for us muslims but they have turn it into business

[neon sierra]

i think muslims should learn to respect each other

[fresh flower]

It was Iggy Azalea brother 🤢🤢🤢

[open vault]

Shame wlh shame

[neon sierra]

true the amount thats needed to do hajj is just sick

[open vault]

If we respect our religion we will be good

[open vault]

Yes millions

[neon sierra]

yes and we show respect to it by our actions as well as the way we think

[neon sierra]

if a poor muslim cant do hajj then its on saudi idk how they are thinking

wallah astagfirullah but even the jews can go to ishell for free but muslims cant provide each other fairly

[open vault]

Of course

[high raven]

The issue is Arabs not Muslims

[open vault]

Even how they are treated there is not normal

[open vault]

And where are u from ?

?t

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What’s the silliest thing you’ve seen someone get upset about?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[open vault]

I took the place of a girl in classroom

[neon sierra]

lets say shes middle eastern

[open vault]

Nah she’s from the west

[neon sierra]

is it racist if she says it as someone from the west

and would it be different if she was middle eastern

[open vault]

Kinda stereotyping u know

[open vault]

Than she’s stupid

[high raven]

My parents are from Lebanon but I live in Norway yes

[neon sierra]

yh i see, especially if you dont have much knowledge

you identify as arab right? @open vault

[open vault]

So ur parents are bad ?

[neon sierra]

or differently

[open vault]

No 😂 I am Tunisian from north Africa

I have no idea about my roots

[neon sierra]

understandable since they conquered north africa and such

[high raven]

There's other ethnicities besides Arab

[open vault]

But I don’t understand why people hate on a full culture whole ethnicity

[neon sierra]

i wasnt hateful till januari started… now i am at least trying to avoid the maybe slight hate i have…

[open vault]

Can i say that the ethnicity of ur parents is bad ?

[neon sierra]

do you think Palestinians like jews

[open vault]

Yeah being hateful is bad

[neon sierra]

if continuesly seeing people violate your people in the name of their background or religion, wouldnt that force hate from you

[open vault]

No because if I was in there place I wouldn’t like it if someone come and kicked me out my house

[neon sierra]

it is not about being logical sometimes

it is a feeling

[neon sierra]

exactly, so why do you think people hate arabs?

[open vault]

It would yes

[neon sierra]

Even if generalising is wrong

[open vault]

What’s the realtion between arab and what’s happening with Palestine?

[neon sierra]

before januari i couldnt think that way. I would say the correct answer is no, you cant hate. jews, muslims or arabs bc it is wrong and generalising

but if you have experience, then it just doesnt work in the logical way

[neon sierra]

i gave u an example

[open vault]

Babe being Jewish is fine but being israeli no

[neon sierra]

for example kurds dont like arabs bc they are doing stuff, in the name of god or arabhood

[neon sierra]

yes but when u are hurt u dont think this way

[open vault]

Not everyone is qualified to be politician

We need to be logic

[high raven]

Yes of course, might be hard to pinpoint why though, we don't have the equivalent of Arabization and persecution

[open vault]

And simply think as something u wouldn’t like for yourself u wouldn’t do it for the other

[neon sierra]

how does this video affect my imaan? or my view of arabs?

[open vault]

We can pinpoint dw just tell where they are from and what do u mean by persecution give an example

[open vault]

Ur iman has nothing to do with arabs

It’s between u and god

[neon sierra]

does it change the fact that u can get affected by stuff

[open vault]

Do u have the same issues with westernization?

[rotund urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/popcorn-reaction-this-gonna-be-good-tFK8urY6XHj2w

[neon sierra]

hell no

[open vault]

Of course but it’s between u and god

[high raven]

Arameans from Lebanon. By examples do you mean ethnicities that Arabs have persecuted? Arameans, Kurds, Amazigh, Copts, Nubians, Jews, Yazidis, Maronites to name a few

[high raven]

Yes, it's not forced though, that's the difference

[neon sierra]

yes i didnt deny it, but i mention fate as an example of why people hate

[open vault]

Okay here u are not correct

[neon sierra]

not everyone hates just to be racist of themselves or phobws

phobes

[sick bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-sleep-sleep-wrapped-up-tucked-in-gif-5999802737525363478

[open vault]

Give me details why this happened and if the arabs attacked them without any reason I will say that group is bad but not the whole ethnicity

[neon sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1453609372075687966.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=bb_zpepecoffee_PlayForFunServer

[high raven]

Not sure what you mean, how is it forced?

[neon sierra]

just a check: hola are u still here?

[open vault]

Yeah I understand u

[open vault]

Excuse me ? Do u thing what’s happening now it’s happening in a normal way

[neon sierra]

wdym, for example why do u think they went to north africa

[high raven]

What are you referring to?

[open vault]

Have u heard of capitalism and what the USA did to it make word-wide system ?

[open vault]

They brought islam

[neon sierra]

i know generalising is not correct and you should avoid it but you have to understand other people as well or why they feel that way

[open vault]

And they went through war like any other group of people who wanted to spread his religion

[open vault]

U are entitled to feel whatever u want I can’t do nothing about it but spreading hate is not cool and acting upon it

[rotund urchin]

[open vault]

I am sorry but “ she said hola como esta “

[cerulean pivot]

Sunnies in iraq didn't feel that way when isis attack us
Do you know why ? Because they are aware that wasn't the true Islam nor the righteous people to lead it
You don't have to question your beliefs based on heretical groups or extremist
In this case even christians would drop their religion because of crusaders

[glossy ether]

ya hussain

[cerulean pivot]

Ya ali

[open vault]

She brought her brother in kofer

[neon sierra]

you cant forcefully convert people in war

[rotund urchin]

If that’s the case she’s asking Hola how he is

[open vault]

That’s what happened before that’s the history

[open vault]

I said konishiwa 😂 I am doing good and u

[cerulean pivot]

What time is it for y'all

Damn it's 3:30 am

[fresh flower]

Imma sleep she stopped replying to Sanna this is no longer interesting 👎🏻

[neon sierra]

i am saying it is a feeling. well sunnities in iraq are arab too. and most of the isis were either iraqi or syrian, then u focus hate on what sect they are, are both sunni? then you continue to the branch, what do you realise, oh they are salafi, and then u start hating on that

[rotund urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/one-piece-luffy-monkey-d-q8ld8Sk7WWyY0

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah Sanna Lost ts

[open vault]

U talking about me ?

[neon sierra]

sorry my english didnt understand this 😭

[fresh flower]

Never ever happened btw

[fresh flower]

Yes 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻

[cerulean pivot]

Ohh man u just wanna hate on something

Nvm

[open vault]

Isis from everywhere even Tunisian unfortunately

[open vault]

I didn’t respond to her

[cerulean pivot]

Chechen Afghan Uighur .. etc

[open vault]

Everywhere

[neon sierra]

west hates in midde east. middle east hates in arabs. arabs hate on either shia or sunni, and the more you can remove the title from yourself you keep hating

[neon sierra]

mostly iraqi and syrian