🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

Proof? Evidence?

Just theory.
Isn't God built on the foundation of belief?
Theory, right?

But you base everything on fact? 😭

[tiny crag]

[thorny steeple]

but we are also blocked by currents technology to investigate before big bang, ill wait until the evidence comes

[thorny steeple]

What I'm basically saying is that you're choosy

[thorny steeple]

lmao a theory is a highest honour in science

[tiny crag]

👋 😃

[thorny steeple]

and theory in science is equivalent to fact

[thorny steeple]

So?

yes i do

[thorny steeple]

wrong.

It's the closest.
Not the fact itself.

[tiny crag]

No... here u lost...

[thorny steeple]

you confusing between a hypothesis and a theory

[thorny steeple]

You are confusing theory with fact

[thorny steeple]

theory is a fact

do you know the scienctic method?

theory and law are the top pinocle of science

[thorny steeple]

A fact is something with validity, that we can affirm and prove.

Prove the Big Bang, please.

[thorny steeple]

He's just making this easy for me

[thorny steeple]

so big bang is the point in universe from where universe started to expand.

and how did we start with the number 13 billion years bc the oldest thing in the universe is background cosmic radiation which was 13 billion years

[thorny steeple]

But... What is that proving?

[thorny steeple]

that universe has a point which was 13 billion years ago which we call big bang

[thorny steeple]

wrong.

[thorny steeple]

whats wrong

[tiny crag]

Hola

[thorny steeple]

whats your education background btw?

[thorny steeple]

No. We are not doing this.
This is deflection and ego, I won't entertain that.

[grim folio]

You look fun i wanna be friends

[thorny steeple]

What's wrong is that your assertion doesn't exactly prove the “bang”.

[tiny crag]

Are u japanese

[thorny steeple]

That's what I'm getting at.

[thorny steeple]

na

[tiny crag]

Shut the fuck up

[tiny crag]

Pay for ur sins.

[thorny steeple]

are you aztec?

[grim folio]

Jaleuse

[tiny crag]

No

[thorny steeple]

wait you think Big Bang was an explosion?

[thorny steeple]

i love doing sins

[thorny steeple]

It's about expansion, right?

[tiny crag]

Pay for you food.

[thorny steeple]

yes its about expansion

not explosion

[tiny crag]

Bot

[thorny steeple]

i got my parents for it

[tiny crag]

😂

[thorny steeple]

Great. What does that have to do with the existence of the universe?

[tiny crag]

😂

😃 👋

[thorny steeple]

big bang was the place where existence of universe started

[rugged gyro]

wild

[thorny steeple]

2pac died for your sins

[rugged gyro]

2pac was gay

[tiny crag]

Tupac❤️

[thorny steeple]

thats a sin

[thorny steeple]

tupac shakur

[tiny crag]

💔 unfortunaly he died before I war born

[tiny crag]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

"i war born"

[thorny steeple]

you said hi like 10 times

[tiny crag]

Shut the fuck up beach😂

[tiny crag]

As an american I'm free to say.

[thorny steeple]

i wish

[tiny crag]

I was a little bit taller

[thorny steeple]

we got ahort king here

[tiny crag]

I'm 6'2

[thorny steeple]

so you have the evidence of god?

[thorny steeple]

smth a 5' person would say

[thorny steeple]

But it started devoid of anything.

Is that the framework work?

[tiny crag]

Whr r u from

[thorny steeple]

indian

not the native tho

[tiny crag]

Well well well

[thorny steeple]

i can speak more then two lang

can you?

[tiny crag]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

ig yea

my framework is mostly what science can prove

[thorny steeple]

i doubt that

[tiny crag]

Why

You're literally speaking eng with me

[thorny steeple]

Yeah… but even that's shaky

[thorny steeple]

its a theory

theory is not hypothesis

[thorny steeple]

This doesn't even mean anything either.
It's an attempt of sounding clever – with no real weight attached

your confusing

[thorny steeple]

so you think big bang is false?

[thorny steeple]

i can more hindi, but you wont understand

marathi

gurajati

and what not

[tiny crag]

A lot of useless languages

I'm happy.. I don't understand a word!

[thorny steeple]

ig thats your american bubble

[tiny crag]

I'm not american

And you start to figth

[thorny steeple]

.

[tiny crag]

A joke?

[thorny steeple]

That's not what I've directly said.
I'm just saying you haven't really said anything

[tiny crag]

Do u wanna an explaim

[thorny steeple]

i literally explained big bang to you

[thorny steeple]

What you said has no connection with our existence

can you explain how did universe begin to exist

[thorny steeple]

im gonna say abiogenesis but ig you dont belive in science

[tiny crag]

Shouldnt u be a muslim

Or something like that

[thorny steeple]

That's strawmaning

[thorny steeple]

the existence of life is abiogenesis

😭 thats not a fallacy

[thorny steeple]

why

wuld i be muslim

im atheist

[thorny steeple]

So shit evolved. I agree

[thorny steeple]

no

abiogenesis and evolution are different

😭

evolution is how species or life change over time

abiogenesis is where did life came from

I believe some scientific things but I believe it didn't happen from thin air — without the interference of an intricate creater

[thorny steeple]

sure prove that creator

[thorny steeple]

Yeah. Sure.

Once you give me proof

i dont believe in a god

you do

you have the burden of proof to prove the things you claim to be the case

[thorny steeple]

I reject your “burden” prove to me there isn't a god

[thorny steeple]

i never said there isnt a god

i said dont belive there is one

just like i believe theres no bigfoot

but i cant prove theres no bigfoot

@thorny steeple so no evidence for god?

[thorny steeple]

I'm on the verge of sleep. Won't dodge you. Send me a friend request so we can carry this out in DMs.

Ok?

[thorny steeple]

no sir

evidence or goodbye?

✌️

[thorny steeple]

jst like every theist

[thorny steeple]

Honestly. Whatever helps you cope.

Your big bang theory is flawed.

I want to carry this through. You don't.

And honestly...

Just like every atheist. ☕

[thorny steeple]

you have kindergarden knowlegde about what a theory is

[thorny steeple]

Just send me a friend request or don't.

But don't frame it as a win on your end, you can't even defend your own theory without tripping.

Goodbye.

[thorny steeple]

denial

[sonic lion]

Ppl who can find "flaws" in the big bang theory but not in the bible is crazy

[wheat linden]

finding flaws in a 2000+ year old book translated a million times is pretty normal

[sonic lion]

Their skepticism is solely devoted to science that contradicts their beliefs

If you can even call it skepticism

[wheat linden]

Typical

[gloomy frost]

Actually I couldn't write the demerits or trade-offs at a structure level because discord doesn't allow long paragraphs.

[gloomy frost]

Asking empirical evidence for a faith based claim.
That's now how it works.
Faith based claims do not require empirical evidence to exist.

[thorny steeple]

ok sure

i believe theres no god based on faith

check mate

[gloomy frost]

believing don't change facts.
Their entire framework works on faith.

[shy summit]

Exist - Yes

To be Credible - Bro you need evidence.

[thorny steeple]

faith is unreliabe path to truth

[prime bone]

Sometimes I too question science, not in a perverse way.
Although I suppose a substantial chunk of it stems from my ignorance.
I conjecture that there might be things science is incapable of explaining or even becoming aware of. When you take how limited a human's senses are, and how diverse the universe itself is into account, it's dubious to think that we know everything. I mean no disrespect to anyone who's reading this, and I'd love to be proven wrong in a civil, non-argumentative manner.

[shy summit]

Can’t make policy on faith

[gloomy frost]

asking for empirical proof of a faith-based claim is like asking:
“What’s the mass of justice?”
“Show me a ruler measurement of love”
“Prove axioms before using logic”

[gloomy frost]

Credible to whom?

[shy summit]

Reality?

Facts don’t care about your feelings bro. As I have been told so often

[gloomy frost]

No? It's audience relative.

[gloomy frost]

And truth is irrelevant as there's no single truth as concrete, it's ever changing.

[feral river]

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[thorny steeple]

i believe in what things can be proven

[feral river]

Good Morning Republicans

[sonic lion]

But we're not necessarily debating faith, we're debating religion. God as a concept it pretty vague not religion has a solid base. We have a tradition of philosophers who even tried to rationalize religion such as Saint Thomas etc and that we can argue

[thorny steeple]

and what evidence there is

[shy summit]

I mean math is a constant regardless of a mind. The words may change but two plus two always equals four.

[sonic lion]

Feuerbach for instance did a great work of interpreting religion

[feral river]

since when empirical means reality ?

empirical could be proven fake and non-existence

or it doesn't prove anything

I said in my empirical experience that Jesus told me I'm the fucking cousin of him so I can launch a revolution against imperial rule ?

well there was one guy literally did that and almost win

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan

[gloomy frost]

Really? Let me give you an example, You know how national borders are made? They are man made, They don't really exist in reality now do they, So why do you believe borders exist?

[thorny steeple]

national borders are concept which i believe in

😭

[native bronze]

People die people get born people join people breakup people leave people get banned people get muted
But that Chinamainland guy stays here

[thorny steeple]

they are not a physical things

[sonic lion]

And next he will talk about how money is imagined

[gloomy frost]

Here, You believe in them, Why?

[feral river]

I got federal immunity

[thorny steeple]

cus they are on paper and demonstrable

[sonic lion]

Lmfao

[gloomy frost]

Same thing with god, They believe in him that he exists.

[feral river]

LMFAO

[shy summit]

For reasons beyond my comprehension

[thorny steeple]

is god demonstrable?

[feral river]

no just admit it, I have federal immunity

[neon sierra]

even i got banned but minecraft didnt…

[gloomy frost]

On paper but not in reality right? Just like in books he's on paper.

[native bronze]

Do u know what does this server look like outside this chat

[shy summit]

He’s like ronald mcfuckingdonald he’s a clown but he’s our clown that we can’t legally or socially part with.

[sonic lion]

I think this server belongs to him at this pint

[gloomy frost]

And how are national borders demonstrable?

[feral river]

none of my business ?

[native bronze]

Lmao

[neon sierra]

yk prisoners that have been jailed and havent seen the sun for years, yes, that’s minecraft

[shy summit]

I need to send him to the Flatearth chat and get some popcorn

[gloomy frost]

Math and religion are not the same things, Even math is made on countless assumption.
And math as sin cos doesn't exist in reality, we assume them.

[feral river]

like Donald J. Trump

you don't want to admit he's the President but he is

😭

it seems every Republican administration would tend to expand their business outside of the country

throughout the 20th and 21th century

[thorny steeple]

i can prove and show you nationaly borders can you do it for god?

[gloomy frost]

And I am not talking about empirical evidence.
Because religion framework doesn't function on empirical evidence.

[thorny steeple]

you literally have a broder check up

at the cross border

[gloomy frost]

Really? So they exist in reality and aren't man made?

[gloomy frost]

We human literally made them.

[thorny steeple]

they exist and man made.

[gloomy frost]

They doesn't exist in nature.

[thorny steeple]

i didnt put forward that idea

[sonic lion]

We can't really argue faith I get it but what is your point besides that?

Just because we can't argue faith does not mean we can't argue a religion book

[gloomy frost]

Yes, that's the thing, People believed that this is where border end.
The belief created borders.

[sonic lion]

Idgf about personal belief as long it's not used for political purposes

[thorny steeple]

dont try act like border or god are even in the same category

[gloomy frost]

You absolutely can, But rather than criticizing can you create a framework better than religion?
You can point out flaws but can you make a better one?

[gloomy frost]

In belief system, they are the same thing.

And religious communities work on belief.

[sonic lion]

I rejected the idea that we even need to have one

[gloomy frost]

Ohh?? Really? Do you know the social outbreak and benefits of this structure?

Religion is stabilizing society in various ways.

I am not religious and never will be, But removing it will cause choas.

[thorny steeple]

so god is created by man, just like borders?

[sonic lion]

Yeah and I also know how it damages it

[brittle sandal]

any system can stabilizing system include dictator. Moreover, aren't many religions relied on believers to spread their message. Doesn't that distrupt system?

[sonic lion]

Lol

[sonic lion]

It makes people docile to a oppressive system

Big deal

[thorny steeple]

i can see syria pretty stable

💀

[gloomy frost]

At structural level Yes, and guess what? The benefits that religion provides.
Certainty, low Cognitive load, freedom from nihilism, and last of all, Consistent meaning in life.
To get that certainty, they need to believe god is not man made, I know contradiction, but contradiction doesn't need to be fixed in belief based system

[gloomy frost]

And? They can still live their lives meaningfully and with comfort.

Oppressive is an trade-off here, not an issue to be resolved.

[sonic lion]

Wtf

[thorny steeple]

then humans are unfit to survive if they need religion

[thorny steeple]

do you have evidence of god yes or no

the benefit of social order is enough to be civil in society

[sonic lion]

We can find meaning in life as atheists, you're treating people like they're children

[thorny steeple]

ideology does the same

or can make them chaotic

[sonic lion]

That's true ideology is actually a fascinating topic

[gloomy frost]

Docility is a stabilizing mechanism.

[thorny steeple]

im atheist and my family is the reason for me to live lmao

[gloomy frost]

Yes. Social stability often requires people to tolerate hierarchy and constraints. That’s not a bug. that’s the function.

[thorny steeple]

people forget that as religion declined, ideology rose up

i dont care about a religion or god until you show me its true

[feral river]

why would you think that way

[gloomy frost]

That's external meaning, you know that right?

[feral river]

if you don't have any family so you wouldn't live ?

that's a fucking huge assumption to be made

[sonic lion]

Yup and that's the only meaning possible

[gloomy frost]

Me neither, I am not religious.
I am simply stating the structure.

[sonic lion]

Strangers can become family

[thorny steeple]

i have my family as one of the reasons form e to live

[feral river]

you live because your DNA doesn't want to die

if your DNA says you should die, you won't be born in the first place

that's the natural selection

[gloomy frost]

No? Have you ever learned about individuality, freedom, meaning from will, and last of all, internal autonomy?

[sonic lion]

Ok Charles Darwin

[feral river]

the rest that lives, all wanted to live and have won the survival struggle in the past

[gloomy frost]

There are various meanings not only one.

[feral river]

besides these, all of them have dead

I'm not sure if you are winning this survival struggle or not, but you sure having a good luck

[thorny steeple]

well my dna is dependent on my life choices

[sonic lion]

Those are all narratives you tell yourself, and?

[thorny steeple]

if i choose not to. i can die rn

i think its better if i watch

[feral river]

to born and live in one of the most comfortable world that humanity ever experience

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[gloomy frost]

what? You are serious right? Those are not narratives, those are structural level meaning.

[feral river]

it is but you understand your DNA wasn't only work as your own they are part of the great social complex of humanity

one individual almost won't affect the group

unless you have social power

[feral river]

idk if that works I don't need that obviously

by count I just need few close friends and a reliable family that won't affect my business

also cover my freaking back and I already had that

[gloomy frost]

Not nobel btw, almost everyone lives for that.
I want to know, why do you believe what you believe?
If answer is society, family, friends, social influence.
You are lacking the same thing religious people lack, Self authorship.

[thorny steeple]

how else do you become family? hahaha

[feral river]

being religious does not push self-authorship

[gloomy frost]

It doesn't, it trades it for moral certainty.

I know same thing with society.

[feral river]

well that moral certainty could exist without religion

[sonic lion]

Well you're assuming that every structure created by religion serves a good purpose and that's debatable

Those are at least only affected by the individual

[feral river]

religion was an ideology that was created by human used by authority to regulate the people with a lower cost based on story-telling and belief

[gloomy frost]

They blame religion for being blind, While they are blind to their own beliefs.

[feral river]

and it fit perfectly in old means of production

[gloomy frost]

I know.
That's why I said it's a trade-off not something magical.

[sonic lion]

Creating community

Nuclear family is overrated anyway

[thorny steeple]

you want to share a person? 😄

spicy

[sonic lion]

What

[thorny steeple]

you said nuclear family is overrated

guess we need a third person in a relationship

[neon sierra]

Syria released ISIS prisoners

[gloomy frost]

I am not, I know the demerits of religion as well, and I am not religious to begin with.
I know how it works, And society is slowly interchanging religion.
Although society provides more justice and tries to gain equality, it degrades moral certainty and comfort.

[neon sierra]

Syria released ISIS prisoners

Syria released ISIS prisoners.

[sonic lion]

personally I would never marry

[neon sierra]

Syria released ISIS prisoners.

[thorny steeple]

i want to marry cause i want to be with someone forever

its more sentimental than pragmatic tbh

[sonic lion]

What if you fall out of love?

[turbid dome]

Ofc, their president is ex ISI

[neon sierra]

i am so done

so fucking done

[thorny steeple]

i married you not because i expected the feeling of love to last but because i see a future with someone i can respect, admire, and live with.

[neon sierra]

he was brainwashed

[thorny steeple]

love may not last but it doesnt mean i dont feel for you

[neon sierra]

ofc, right?

[thorny steeple]

im not naive

[sonic lion]

Then why marry?

[turbid dome]

Hahaha yeah who doesn’t accidentally join isi, talk with baghdadi, make an al Qaeda offshoot, and then make a new group after lmao

[thorny steeple]

cause i want to spend the rest of my life with you...?

[neon sierra]

right right

[thorny steeple]

do i need to drug myself to stay in love?

[sonic lion]

Well ok that's fair
I wouldn't marry for different reasons

[thorny steeple]

well i understand you dont want to, but may i ask why you dont want to

[gloomy frost]

Do you even know the definition of love?

[fathom kite]

wowww

[neon sierra]

he wasnt even someone random in al qaidah, ig the people like him on purpose as well

they like the terrorist part of him more than anything

thats why they are not even bothered abt it

[thorny steeple]

lol

youre writing up quite a list 😄

religion is based on lie

[sonic lion]

Well, you either marry for economical reasons or to start a family or for your reason, which is to sustain your love
I want to be financially independent, I don't want kids and also don't feel the need to sustain love, I think love should exist for as long as it does
I just hate gender roles, I just want to be equal yk
I can't imagine my life marrying and then taking care of the house and cooking 'em dinner

[thorny steeple]

what if you were the one working and your husband stayed at home?

[gloomy frost]

First of all, any framework outside of your own consciousness, is morally incomplete, It lacks a crucial role.
Moral autonomy.
So no, not even society can do that.
No external mental model can do that, that's why I asked which model you operate on.

[slow yoke]

join the army then

[sonic lion]

I want to be equal
The ideal to me will be we both work and we both have our own lives yk

I don't want to live w my partner

[thorny steeple]

the thing is roles need to be filled

[sonic lion]

I prefer having a career I would like

[thorny steeple]

it is not some freedom/oppression thing

its just logic

[sonic lion]

I know

[thorny steeple]

people have to fit into their functions and that is perfectly fine

[sonic lion]

I didn't say it was

[thorny steeple]

you agree on them

k

[slow yoke]

good luck but take care of yself

[sonic lion]

But we can't deny our freedom of choice
If maintaining a social structure gives me a life I don't want to live then what's the point?

[thorny steeple]

i am more traditional cause it seems more effective to be so but choice is more important. Sometimes you need to think outside the box to solve problems. Its why the roles must be filled but choose your role.

[sonic lion]

Exactly!

[thorny steeple]

im fine with that

i encourage that

[sonic lion]

And statistically I know that the house work usually falls over women

[thorny steeple]

if my partner is better as the breadwinner then she will do so

i will do whatever my partner needs

we fit our roles as needed

[gloomy frost]

I think we mostly agree on the descriptive facts. Religion is not necessary for stability, and extrinsic morality doesn’t produce moral purity. Where we differ is on system-level risk. My claim was never that religion is the best or only tool. it’s that it has historically functioned as a stabilizer, and removing it at scale without universally effective replacements can create instability. That’s a transition problem, not a moral endorsement.
I never claimed religion can be utilised effectively for morality.

[sonic lion]

That's very bold of you

[sonic lion]

Thank you!

[thorny steeple]

im practical. If something doesnt work, then we try something else.

[turbid dome]

I think there’s a large majority of Sunni Arabs that are mostly blind/don’t care about ethnic minorities except for when it effects the stability of the government, so they’re happy to let their government just harass minorities

[gloomy frost]

And the same goes with society.
Law and enforcement.
It isn't different from religion.

[sonic lion]

A lot of men are blind to a woman's need, glad you're willing to do the work

[urban swift]

Answered you already here
#🧠｜serious-chat message

Hope you ain't acting dyslexic on purpose

[thorny steeple]

the thing is we are supposed to fulfill their needs. That is already part of being a partner and even traditionally speaking.

we as men*

[thorny steeple]

its funny how your first statement sounds like it refers to the adult side of a relationship which applies as well

[urban swift]

Many countries and societies are still strictly mysogynist. It doesn't surprise me.
Social evils need to be acknowledged and corrected. Not immediately but eventually.

Thankfully many men are understanding systematic suppression of women and working towards it

[gloomy frost]

I don’t disagree that religion loses institutional power in societies with high epistemic freedom. My point isn’t that religion should dominate or that it’s uniquely stable. It’s that no external system religious or secular produces morality by itself. Questioning doesn’t eliminate norms. it shifts moral authority inward. That applies equally to religion and secular ethics.
The point is, you are incorrect about that the only way it could function that way because it suppressed curiosity.
But there are many religious people who are curious and yet are religious.

[urban swift]

Then don't sexualise every little detail about women.

Let women live a life. your life's purpose should be higher than that.

Third time repeating myself.

You know who throws personal insults in a debate/discussion ?

[sonic lion]

What are u guys arguing about I wanna join

[urban swift]

He triggered me saying
Women wearing shorts and crops tops = women walking naked

He wanted to demean women

With mysogynistic views

[neon sierra]

I agree, but I think people was like that with the assad government as well

idk why people keep supporting oppressing each other when we all can be free at the same time

looks like it will never work with the syrians

[sonic lion]

Bro never experienced summer

[turbid dome]

I think the main thing is now it’s worse because of the war

[neon sierra]

he just doesn’t understand it is cultural differences

[urban swift]

Bro screaming how incompatible he's for some societies and countries

[neon sierra]

idk why people keep attacking women for what they wear

[neon sierra]

true and all minorities are suffering

[turbid dome]

Yup

[neon sierra]

@urban swift btw are u muslim

[urban swift]

Why would you think that

[sonic lion]

I mean no culture should tell women how to dress
It's ridiculous that if you feel desire from a woman's body then she should cover up and not you just stop sexualizing them

[neon sierra]

…yh ig i cant comment on that

😭

but ar eu an ex one or hindu

or something else

[urban swift]

None

[neon sierra]

I see

[urban swift]

I don't think religion is important

But I like the concept of god

[neon sierra]

i am muslim, but ive heard time understanding other ones around the world

yh whatever everyone should believe in what they want to

[urban swift]

I like rumi

[sonic lion]

God is humans projecting their own parts into something external

Our best parts perhaps

[urban swift]

I can never like mohammad

[neon sierra]

yh but like i mean not in all cultures women weqr crops and shorts. so when people from certain countries see others that wear differently, they are quick to judge or comment

[urban swift]

The more I read about mohammad the more I dislike him

[neon sierra]

and then ofc its a norm thing, does a woman wanna wear shorts or whatever, its hear choice and society should learn to respect differences

I like both

And I don’t believe every source I reas

I got no problem with islam itself but the people that practice it (not all of them)

[thorny steeple]

feels like phineas and ferb

lol

[sonic lion]

Lmfao

[thorny steeple]

well culture tells us TO dress

lol, idk if that is based or not

[sonic lion]

At least you don't have to wear a bra

Clothes can be oppressive 😔

[thorny steeple]

tbh i cant imagine what its like for you

well women in general

heard about back issues and the discomfort over tight size

[sonic lion]

When I was a kid I wanted to rip my chest out cause I felt so uncomfortable

But you get used to it

[thorny steeple]

sorry about that

[sonic lion]

Thankfully I don't have that problem lmao

[thorny steeple]

heard sports bras are the best option possible

[thorny steeple]

you have a smaller size, most likely

i heard most of that happens if its a larger size

[sonic lion]

Yeah for sure

A lot of women do surgery even

[thorny steeple]

awwww 🙁

[gloomy frost]

I did.
And I know.
If you don't wanna start an argument, sure.
Although, I am curious, which mental model do you operate on? External or internal.
That alone will clarify a lot.

[urban swift]

I part agree but I sure agree.
I am exploring it. It's not like I'm completely rejecting the existence of God but sometimes the dots doesn't connect if I don't act dumb.

For example, there was an experiment multiple sheep were born in lab without a mother sheep's womb.
Through only cells.

And dna is just 14 kinds of acids

No one ever testified the hell and heaven returning from there, proving the existence. There are just stories you gotta just trust it. (Although I don't give a flying duck about heaven)

If God watches/knows everything, why he letting women get (graped.
Even worse, kids/babies get graped?
Just stop it instead of being a voyeur

[sonic lion]

There are centuries of philosophy debating Christianity and religion in general

I don't even care because I just reject the idea immediately

[thorny steeple]

god is the least thing i find real

[sonic lion]

What bothers me more

[gloomy frost]

Same, I don't find National borders real as well.

[sonic lion]

Is how they justify centuries of oppression towards women for instance with the text

Not only justify but creates myths around the nature of the woman

[thorny steeple]

i do find them real

[urban swift]

Have you heard the story of how mohammad captured his jewish teenage wife safiya bint?

[gloomy frost]

Unfortunate.

[thorny steeple]

yea its called countries

you should check up geography

[gloomy frost]

And yes, It's called man made.

[thorny steeple]

so is a car, but cars also exist

[sonic lion]

Bro your analogy sucks
Sorry to tell ya

[thorny steeple]

whose?

[sonic lion]

@gloomy frost

[gloomy frost]

I can't really explain the concept that easily.
You might want to check on Google I gotta go to work.
I will tell you later.

[urban swift]

I have a theory.
Women entertained this idea of oppression because it let some women on top of hierarchy by being highly religious.

[gloomy frost]

But national borders are not real.

[thorny steeple]

i agree hes comparing a supernatural god to natural borders

[gloomy frost]

Both work on belief.

[sonic lion]

Comparing apples to oranges

[gloomy frost]

Either way, Don't believe in god for all I care.
Do what you want.

[thorny steeple]

You should check that they have check ups and barded wires at the borders

[sonic lion]

They're still different and hold different places in society and that's what we're interested in

[gloomy frost]

they don't exist in nature.

[gloomy frost]

And so does religion hold different places in society.

[thorny steeple]

check ups and barbed wire dont exist in nature?

💀 😭

[gloomy frost]

I was talking about national borders as a concept.

If you know what that means.

[thorny steeple]

yea concept dont exist as a physcial things

[thorny steeple]

i see it as just a pary of their hypocrisy

[wary plover]

[thorny steeple]

nvm this is like the bizzare arguement

[sonic lion]

I think being religious is a way to feel more safe in patriarchy since they're valued for their reproductive capacities and judged heavily

[thorny steeple]

for god i have ever heard

[gloomy frost]

Same thing buddy god is a concept.

[urban swift]

Keep going, it clears concepts

[tiny crag]

😃 👋 👋

[gloomy frost]

Not real, god doesn't exist I know.

[urban swift]

What's that language again?

[thorny steeple]

i grew up christian so it helped me strengthen my moral code but eventually my code changed to a pragmatic morality. I still believe in good and law for the sake of bettering the self and others but not at the expense of either. Cause law and "good" are manipulated by many to oppress people.

[thorny steeple]

inst god a entity or agent? why tf are you calling it a concept

[thorny steeple]

bro is back

[tiny crag]

Shut up

[gloomy frost]

It's not, it is considered as an entity or agent for moral certainty and comfort.

It does exist as an entity or agent

[sonic lion]

Yes the best we can do is keep reflecting and shaping our beliefs to the better

[tiny crag]

Who wanna be my friend😃 ❤️

[gloomy frost]

For religious people.

[sonic lion]

Saying the obvious now

[thorny steeple]

for me i treat perfection like an assymptote in mathematics. Unattainable but we try to get as close as possible. It is about the journey, bettering ourselves.

[sonic lion]

Do you like math?

That's it man

[thorny steeple]

to an extent yes

[sonic lion]

Lol I really wish I had the time it takes to learn it

My studies are all humanities

I have no reason to study it but it speaks to me

[thorny steeple]

[sonic lion]

Didn't like the course?

Change is always welcomed

I love my humanities studies I wouldn't change it

[thorny steeple]

its worth trying a little bit

[thorny steeple]

we need to talk about it sometime 🙂

[sonic lion]

Pure mathematics seems so poetic

[sonic lion]

Sure!

[thorny steeple]

oops

[sonic lion]

I study for diplomacy so it's very interdisciplinary

[thorny steeple]

want to vc?

[urban swift]

I believe 8 billion people= 8 billion mindsets.

Not everyone thinks alike. Some accept the world as it is and make a move accordingly.
Some are idealists.

(Some are both)

Some women found power in being highly religious since religious people had found an excuse to exterminate all just because others didn't believe in their concept of god and their god is the one and only holy, supposed to be worshipped so the rest of humanity is worth exterminating or converting.

That's such an excuse that boost morale in soldiers.
You want mass of human to commit atrocities? Make them believe they doing it for some greater cause

[sonic lion]

Now I can't, everyone is sleeping

[thorny steeple]

another time

[sonic lion]

Maybe some other time

Oh for sure! Literature as well. It's what I love the most in the world so I would never ruin it

[thorny steeple]

im not big on literature but there is stuff i would enjoy

[sonic lion]

That's really on point
Slavoj Zizek said in Doestoevsky's Brothers Karamazov there's this idea that if god doesn't exist then everything is permitted. For Zizek is the other way around, if god does exist then everything is permitted, since every crime is justifiable under divine justice

[urban swift]

Bro never offered me vc 👀
Now I'm jealous

[thorny steeple]

eh you are open too

we can invite you sometime

[sonic lion]

Have you ever thought about diplomacy? It would embody all of them
Personally, I really like political science and law is very dry to me but if you enjoy it it's all that matters

Economics is great too

[urban swift]

[sonic lion]

I like to read classics from all periods and as widely as I can
I also love some contemporary stuff too

[urban swift]

[thorny steeple]

im trying to read that book

i have it

[sonic lion]

Lol

I know Dostoevsky is popular but those past 4 years he got huge

We need a balance
As Camus said, philosophers ask questions and novels live them

It seems really nice
It just keeps me wondering how nice it must be to be an author
You can find an excuse to spend years researching about something you're interested in and write a novel about it

[thorny steeple]

ill vc you tomorrow 🙂

we can talk about your study then

gnite

[sonic lion]

Don't even tell me... it's just amazing to find someone who thinks like this, it's becoming more and more difficult

And yeah, it's such a strong feeling. Last year I finished Elena Ferrante's tetralogy and it was like a very dear person just died. It's ridiculous that a book can do that to us, I'm sad just thinking about it

Forgot to mark it

Reading poetry also has this effect you described, it's so magical that you can find and order words in such a brilliant way to evoque a specific feeling
It's all about the universality in the specific

[crystal kayak]

No you didn't,you said having preferences is insecure and now you trying to cover that.Please Explain how having preferences is insecure?

[crystal kayak]

Having preferences is not hating women.Are you for real right now? If you go back I clearly said I don't care what a women wears and asked how does men having preferences make him insecure

[crystal kayak]

Nobody is sexualizing women.If a man walks in the streets with the most tightest short he is walking naked same goes for women.Not everything is misogyny and sexualizing getting a grip.This how you were brainwashed by the rogue feminists

[fallow shard]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-gif-27628801

[crystal kayak]

Your dodging every question.Stop ghosting and explain yourself

The stupidity bro changed the subject and can't even defend what he said

[crystal kayak]

Am I wrong

[sonic lion]

Yeah youre the one sexualizing them, an object cannot hold your feelings in itself. Don't blame them for your distorted ideas

"Nobody is sexualizing women" bro? We cannot even show our nipples without men sexualizing us

[thorny steeple]

hi

[crystal kayak]

Do you know how this argument between me and that guy started and what started this argument

[thorny steeple]

what do you call a women who goes to club at night?

[sonic lion]

It reminds me when men used to fantasize that witches could magically make them excited if you know what I mean
It's like a primitive brain that does not understand that your the one to blame for your own feelings towards an object

[sonic lion]

Couldn't care less

Argue on private chat then

[tiny crag]

Beach

[crystal kayak]

If you want to walk in the middle of the street without a top do it.Tf

[thorny steeple]

no feminist

[sonic lion]

That's not the point dumbass

[fallow shard]

Wearing tight clothes ≠ being naked

[tiny crag]

Do u think?

[crystal kayak]

Then don't intervene.simple

[thorny steeple]

why do you wanna show your nipples

💀

[crystal kayak]

No I got the message clear you want to walk topless do it.you numbskull

[tiny crag]

👋

[urban swift]

You see their mindset?
Keep digging in and you'll find a more uglier side of it

[thorny steeple]

why do women wanna wear less and less clothing?

[crystal kayak]

A man wears the most tightest short he can find that shows his everything and he is shirtless, would you feel comfortable around him

[sonic lion]

Bro they're just here, I just want to let them exist without worrying all the time if they're visible otherwise a weirdo might come to me

[thorny steeple]

theres a thing called bra

[fallow shard]

It's not about less and less, it's about freedom to wear whatever they want

[thorny steeple]

😭

[sonic lion]

Why is there something wrong with it?

[crystal kayak]

@fallow shard

[thorny steeple]

men get freedom to wear they cover all the shit

[fallow shard]

I'm not the one sexualising them, I couldn't care less what they wear😭

[crystal kayak]

@fallow shard Would you feel comfortable around him

[sonic lion]

Bra is just a piece of fabric, it can still be visible dumbass

[thorny steeple]

women do the opposite

[tiny crag]

Beach

[sonic lion]

And some women don't want to wear bras they're uncomfortable

[thorny steeple]

its bizzare a man has to teach about a bra to a women

😭

how big are they

[sonic lion]

Yeah cause you don't need to? I know more than you about my gender

[thorny steeple]

😭

bras cover them up maam

😭

[sonic lion]

It just proves that you know nothing about it

[thorny steeple]

oh yeah? can you tell me about man-o-pause

[fallow shard]

Yea? Why should it be different thing for women

[sonic lion]

Funnee so funneee

[thorny steeple]

it is different cause men are covering themselves, women are going fo literallly backless, skirt till their panties

[crystal kayak]

Cool and I am uncomfortable around such people,so I live in a modest city.Nobody is being forced to wear things they don't like or forced to see things they don't want to see. A win win

[thorny steeple]

well i can be silly sometimes

[fallow shard]

Are you going into raves or take ur samples there

[sonic lion]

Lmfao

[thorny steeple]

you got that right

[fallow shard]

This man can't be real

[sonic lion]

He's a joke

[fallow shard]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-cymbal-ocd-gif-5895336

[thorny steeple]

so

also why do women show their belly?

[crystal kayak]

Man:I have preferences.
Rogue feminist:How dare you

[sonic lion]

Men can show it too

[thorny steeple]

just shave it ig

[fallow shard]

Difference in the culture. Finland is one of the countries where nudity is more acceptable than in most of the countries

[thorny steeple]

i dont wanna see mens hairy ahh bellies

hell naw

thats gay

[fallow shard]

Is this chat just insecure

[sonic lion]

I wish I was being forced to see hot women

[tiny crag]

hi

[thorny steeple]

are you talking about nudist beach?

[sonic lion]

How unfair

[tiny crag]

What's topic..

[sonic lion]

Robert plant did it well

[fallow shard]

No, generally more accepting. It's bcs our sauna culture mostly

[tiny crag]

Go wash your mouth

[thorny steeple]

omg

led zepellin

my fav rock band

[turbid dome]

Nah coming from Arkansas it’s sort of taboo to see that much of other people

[thorny steeple]

singer

[crystal kayak]

See ,your more accustomed to nudity and I more accustomed to modesty.And I didn't even try to force anyone to wear modest.

[sonic lion]

And you're bitching about showing some skin? Jesus

[thorny steeple]

i mean but they all looked a lil fruity to me tho

[fallow shard]

Exactly this whole chat is about cultural differences and problems but they don't get it

[thorny steeple]

no i love rock

[turbid dome]

Pretty much lol

[fallow shard]

I couldn't give a less of a fuck if someone wears less clothing bcs I'm used to it

[sonic lion]

That's why they're so sexy, men don't do it like that anymore sadly

[thorny steeple]

soul of a women was created below

[turbid dome]

Yeah I do think it’s weird past a certain point 😭

[thorny steeple]

to you sure

but not to me

[sonic lion]

Yeah rockstars stole all the sex appeal from men and they never got it back

[thorny steeple]

atleast if their doing it pls shave your bellies and chest hair

[thorny steeple]

do you like hairy men?

[fallow shard]

Depends on time and place. This chat seems to be not okay w women in shorts in hot summer days which is questionable. Why would that bother you? It's literally more comfortable for them

[crystal kayak]

@turbid dome I don't understand this people.They say don't sexualize us and then end up sexualizing themselves.Don't they know that not everything is about a women's body

[thorny steeple]

no no no

short is cool

[sonic lion]

You know who has no hair right buddy

[thorny steeple]

sorry?

[sonic lion]

Don't really care about it

[crystal kayak]

I am as confused as you are

[sonic lion]

Children

[turbid dome]

Time and place sure. Personally I don’t like seeing anyone in shorts on hot summer days, upper legs are weird. In the summer I wear pants still lmao

[fallow shard]

Women aren't sexualising themselves, if you think that, you're the problem

[thorny steeple]

idk why you would bring a kid

[thorny steeple]

i thought women didnt like hairy men

[thorny steeple]

define sexualising

[crystal kayak]

What is that in the picture.

That is sexualizing yourself.

[sonic lion]

Lmao i laughed at my own joke

[turbid dome]

You can’t be serious 😭

[sonic lion]

Personal taste I guess, i can't answer for all women

[fallow shard]

Yea but it's difference in lot of things

[sonic lion]

Myself? How did I sexualize myself?

[crystal kayak]

"I wish I was being forced to see hot women?"

[sonic lion]

I just made a lil joke

[turbid dome]

Yeah ig

[sonic lion]

And???

[turbid dome]

It’s a joke

[sonic lion]

!!

[urban swift]

The way you never look at your family members

[crystal kayak]

F nah it ain't.

[sonic lion]

You need to read more dude, go try to interpret texts

[thorny steeple]

i never understood the concept of sexualizing, would either of you ladies explain me how @sonic lion @fallow shard

[crystal kayak]

That sexualizing yourself.

[sturdy mango]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

too vague

[sonic lion]

hOw?

[fallow shard]

u might not like my definition but it's about objectifying and seeing someone solely as sexual being

[fallow shard]

It is NOT

[fallow shard]

[thorny steeple]

what would a person not-sexualizing do? or act like?

[crystal kayak]

Tell me how it is not sexualizing yourself

[fallow shard]

Seeing them as humans???😭

[turbid dome]

🚩🚩🚩

[sonic lion]

Wtf you're the one assuming so you explain

[thorny steeple]

i mean a person seeing someone as sex object is still seeing them as humans, can you be more specific

[urban swift]

The way they interpret this whole situation?
Here comes the uglier part... They see women not covered from** head to toe?
She's basically asking for it.
She deserved to be graped.
If some eve teasing, SA happens it's her fault.

Such societies/people victim blame. Even justify rapes

[fallow shard]

I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TOO MANY TIMES

[thorny steeple]

red flag

[fallow shard]

Oh hell no💀

[crystal kayak]

Explain please

[turbid dome]

You

[turbid dome]

Look at username

[sonic lion]

It's impossible

[turbid dome]

One letter away from butt hole Pepe

[thorny steeple]

i mean if you clarify it ill stop doing it

[sonic lion]

Women being blamed for men's actions towards her, as always

[fallow shard]

This chat makes me lose my hope for humanity

[sturdy mango]

Intresting

[thorny steeple]

woah woah woah

[sturdy mango]

I'm out

[thorny steeple]

excuse me?

[turbid dome]

You had hope?

[sonic lion]

I swear to god, they can debate about everything to geopolitics from religion but as soon as the topic is women, everyone is a dumbass

[crystal kayak]

Just shut up.ahh your sexualizing women when I was talking to duck about how how our customs are different you dropped in and said you wish you are forced to see hot women

[urban swift]

Just because he can't control his lust and eyes.

That's his fault he ignored to learn that. Not hers.

[thorny steeple]

how did we go from sexualizing to grape in a second 💀 thats a huge faith of leap

[sonic lion]

I MADE A JOKE jesus christ

[fallow shard]

If someone wears less clothing it's not them sexualising themselves, it's about wearing comfortable clothes. If you find it inherently sexual, you're the problem bcs you can't see women or men in other than sexual way. That's it, I'm done. If someone tries to argue, eat bricks

[turbid dome]

😭😭😭

[sonic lion]

You said you were being forced to see what "you didn't want to see" (meaning women in tight clothes or something) and I joked about it

Move on dude seriously

Is it your first time hearing a joke?

[sonic lion]

It's impossible to be more clear than that, if you don't get it then your mind is just polluted

[crystal kayak]

So you are joking about sexualizing women?

[fallow shard]

Istg if someone tries to argue I'm going to beat someone's grandma

[turbid dome]

Tbh I’ll let you punch the ashes of both of mine for free

[fallow shard]

I... Okay, did not expect that

[turbid dome]

How

[sonic lion]

No, you're the joke. You're the one who wants women to cover all their body because their body is a threat to your own desires towards them. Hope this helped

[fallow shard]

I forgot ashes is more common there

[turbid dome]

Yeah everyone is cremated lol, it’s way cheaper to just instantly cremate than to prep the body and coffin

Probably couldn’t have afforded a burial if it wasn’t cremated

[fallow shard]

Coffin all the way here

[crystal kayak]

So when you are caught joking about sexualizing women you panic and just assume stuff cool🤣🤣

[turbid dome]

Yeah I would prefer that tbh

[sonic lion]

Read that again and maybe you'll understand

[fallow shard]

Never even heard anyone being cremated here

[crystal kayak]

I can't thank God enough for being born here

[thorny steeple]

freddie mercury was actually fruity 😭

[turbid dome]

Rich smh

[fallow shard]

Yea??

[sonic lion]

And?

[fallow shard]

Isn't that obvious

[crystal kayak]

What I understood is your caught joking about sexualizing women,got confronted panic and just assumed some stuff about random stranger.

[thorny steeple]

not all fruity men who wear make up are fuity

[sonic lion]

Dude you can't even comprehend a basic text 😭
I was joking about YOU

[turbid dome]

Not all fruity men are fuity ???? 😭😭🤣😂

[sonic lion]

Prince

[fallow shard]

Idk the expenses but I'd assume it's cheap enough people do it here

[thorny steeple]

wasnt famous enough

[turbid dome]

Probably subsidized lmao

[sonic lion]

Excuse me?

[turbid dome]

Do you have like family burial grounds?

[sonic lion]

Prince wasn't famous enough? 😭

[thorny steeple]

im a huge rock fan and i dont know prince

[fallow shard]

Yea but it's still pretty common knowledge that he was

[thorny steeple]

[turbid dome]

Ngl idk who he is

[sonic lion]

He was more pop than rock tbf

[thorny steeple]

like men wearing makeup you know

[crystal kayak]

It didn't seem like it.We are on serious topic and who would joke on such a thing

[fallow shard]

No, only thing is that body needs to be buried to the town/city they were born. If the town doesn't exist anymore then they will be buried to city/town where they lived

[sonic lion]

Me cause I don't take discord debates that seriously ☠️

[turbid dome]

Why is that a rule

[thorny steeple]

does chest hairyness increase the chances for me to be attracted to women?

[fallow shard]

It's to keep family members close, it's old rule

[thorny steeple]

or just a propaganda

[sonic lion]

For you to be attractive to women? I don't think so. I would say women like tall guys with pretty face (and that's optional)

[thorny steeple]

not personality?

[fallow shard]

Personality is the most important thing

[turbid dome]

Nobody else in my family was born even close to me.

I was born in Arkansas, my mom was born in Tampa, my dad in LA, my grandparents in Chicago, Philadelphia, and Connecticut, and before that it goes to multiple countries 😭

[thorny steeple]

same

[crystal kayak]

Yeah I don't think so bud.Plus who jokes about stuff after claiming sexualizing people is serious issues to you

[sonic lion]

I thought you meant looks

[sonic lion]

Again, did I joke about women? No, I joked about you. I'm a woman myself why would I make fun of me

[thorny steeple]

i have met a lot of women who look absolute eye candy, but after knowing them, it gets kinda turn off

[fallow shard]

My both parents are born in places where their grandparents lived, so am I

[tiny crag]

Who wanna see my dof

Dog

[fallow shard]

Ong yes

[turbid dome]

Wild

[tiny crag]

He's baby

[thorny steeple]

😭

[fallow shard]

WHAT IS THAT LMFAOOO

[sonic lion]

That's why we get to know people to see if we like them

[thorny steeple]

what does he eat? mercury?

[turbid dome]

W

[tiny crag]

Indian brain.

[frozen cape]

exactly

[thorny steeple]

damn racism

[tiny crag]

I'm kidding ofc

[fallow shard]

Not really, my dad has lived here 80% of his life

[tiny crag]

I'm trying to catch you

[crystal kayak]

?

[thorny steeple]

i feel like im not gonna get someone who is actully hot and talk like the way i want

[turbid dome]

My dad lived in California, Oregon, Indiana, Oregon again briefly, Nevada, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas again 😭😭😭

[sonic lion]

Lol

[thorny steeple]

@sonic lion your gay

[sonic lion]

I'm actually asexual lol

[turbid dome]

*you’re

[crystal kayak]

? That is not an explanation

[thorny steeple]

damn

[fallow shard]

Rich moment

[thorny steeple]

i can turn on you /j

[sonic lion]

Thats the correct way to react to a joke

[turbid dome]

How 😭

[fallow shard]

Living little bit everywhere

[crystal kayak]

How is that a joke?

[thorny steeple]

how dare you question my english authority

[turbid dome]

Can’t even harass someone with proper grammar

[turbid dome]

Is it past your bedtime

[thorny steeple]

sadly no

[sonic lion]

You never know, I wouldn't worry about getting a beautiful girl as a man
And if you're fun, youre gonna get someone who matches you

I say that because its incredibly common to see beautiful women with mid men

[sonic lion]

It was one just accept it and move on w your life

[thorny steeple]

that pisses me off

[sonic lion]

Me too

[thorny steeple]

dude your gay

[sonic lion]

LMAO I wish

[frozen cape]

they're not mid from the girl's pov

[sonic lion]

I would be way more cool

[sonic lion]

Maybe they are... some women think that dating a hot men is too much trouble

[thorny steeple]

how do you know your asexual? or you havent heard about smut

women dont liek to watch it, they like to read it

[turbid dome]

Ok well born in LA, went to Oregon because his dad was racist and Oregon is super white, Indiana for school (went into debt for a few decades to pay it off), back to Oregon to live with parents after school, moved to Nevada for work, moved to Arkansas to be with my mom (ngl my mom is a dumbass for moving from Nevada to Arkansas), Oklahoma for work, Arkansas because the old job would pay more lol.

[thorny steeple]

[sonic lion]

I haven't what's that
And I know because I never felt like it yk it makes me uneasy to think I have to do it

[frozen cape]

i mean if a person's only notable quality is being 'hot' then yeah that'd be trouble

[turbid dome]

Yeah my exes were way better looking than me lmao

[thorny steeple]

well its like a novel but describing sexual intimacy with high vocabulary

[sonic lion]

Ooh no, I mean
I read like two erotic ones and the sex were the least interesting part about them but like they had really good literally quality

[thorny steeple]

you should read some bad ones to not be so much engaged with storyline

its like reading porn

[sonic lion]

I read DH Lawrence's Lady Chatterly's Lover and Elfriede Jelinek's La Pianiaste, they were both incredible

[thorny steeple]

not watching it

but reading it

"why are your pages so sticky"

[crystal kayak]

I still don't understand how can you joke about something like that, which is absolutely disgusting of you, but we can move on

[sonic lion]

I tried reading commercial narrarives before but like I read classics since I was 13, I builed my taste for years and going back it's not fun

[fallow shard]

Lmfao what

[turbid dome]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

13

[sonic lion]

Its like watching a mid movie when you watched Tarkovsky

[thorny steeple]

whats your age now?

[sonic lion]

Or eating a frozen pizza when you've tasted actual italian pizza

[tiny crag]

👋 😃

[sonic lion]

21

[thorny steeple]

holyshit

[thorny steeple]

anti christ?

ur atheist?

[sonic lion]

Have you heard of marquis de sade?

[turbid dome]

😭😭😭💀💀💀

[sonic lion]

He actually invented it

I try reading him but it was boring as hell seriously sex is so boring

[sonic lion]

Yea

[turbid dome]

Never heard of him is that where sadism comes from

[thorny steeple]

yea your asexual

[sonic lion]

Precisely

[thorny steeple]

where do you get your morals from?

[sonic lion]

He actually wrote extensively about inflicting pain for sexual pleasure and got jailed for it

He wrote 120 days of sodom during the french revolution

[thorny steeple]

he should have checked on decade

[turbid dome]

Yeah I wouldn’t write about it 💀

[sonic lion]

My own feelings and thoughts about what's right or wrong I guess

[thorny steeple]

so what is right?

[sonic lion]

What I feel it is. There is also the law

[thorny steeple]

so your basing it on feelings

[sonic lion]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

define morality

[sonic lion]

Pretty much

[urban swift]

Not marrying baby girls and not abducting women as war booty

[cerulean pivot]

What if u had some sort of mental illness

[sonic lion]

I think it has a lot of definitions

[thorny steeple]

whats yours

[sonic lion]

Well I'm autistic and depressed so I sure do

Apparently autistics have strong sense of justice

[turbid dome]

Fellow depressed autistic person 🫡

[cerulean pivot]

U don't have to trust your feelings to build a moral campus then

[turbid dome]

Pretty much

[fallow shard]

I'm so glad my college starts

This chat istg

[thorny steeple]

ikr

deadass

[fallow shard]

u can't say anything

[turbid dome]

Lmao adios

[fallow shard]

Bye

[turbid dome]

Watch me

[sonic lion]

But I do feel bad when I do something wrong
Not smoking or drinking but yk, hurting someone etc

[sonic lion]

I don't even know how to formulate it

I just try to be a kind person and a goor citizen I guess

[thorny steeple]

feelings are not relable path to jsutice

[sonic lion]

I agree, but thats how I act on my own private life

[thorny steeple]

your just saying words

[sonic lion]

We have law and ethics for a society

[thorny steeple]

"good" "kind" and what not

but what is that you base your morals on?

[turbid dome]

🍿

[cerulean pivot]

Help your fellow atheist buddy

[turbid dome]

I’ll jump in if it gets spicy

[urban swift]

@sonic lion they're dragging you into subjective morality vs objective morality(religious one).

They believe w/o objective morality people are morally corrupt.

[thorny steeple]

Is the act good because you feel it is good, or do you feel it is good because it is good?

[tiny crag]

😃 👋

[sonic lion]

Again, my own life experience
Reflection with philosophical texts, my studies in humanities, literature and being exposed from different perspectives... but none of this is telling me how to act, it's according to how I feel about it at the end of the day

[turbid dome]

What do you think of Machiavelli

[thorny steeple]

well i do have an answer

as fellow atheist

but your answer doesnt satisfy me

[sonic lion]

Depending how you define good. It's good if there's a gain for someone? It is bad if someone loses something?

[sonic lion]

Then tell us

[thorny steeple]

A slave owner gaines all benefit from slaving slaves.

[thorny steeple]

my morality is based on wellbeing of humans

as a whole in conclusion

[thorny steeple]

is a injection hurting the baby good?

[sonic lion]

And the slave?

For a moment I thought you were throwing Hegel at me

[thorny steeple]

but the slave owner would jsutify it has good, bc hes feeling good

[sonic lion]

Good for the mommy 😎

[sonic lion]

So the slave would justify it is bad because they feel bad

I don't really see the point

Being good at the disgrace of others is no win

[thorny steeple]

thats why i base it in well being of humans

[cerulean pivot]

Good and evil are not clear-cut choices; there is evil that is inevitable and good that is harmful, and vice versa. What determines this is instinct of the humans ( comes from whatever u believe in)

[sonic lion]

Oh I get it why you had trouble with my definition, you thought I was being some selfish prick

[shy summit]

Harm is pretty clear and dry. Reciprocity and Harm.

[thorny steeple]

it was very subejctive and self centered

yes

[thorny steeple]

prove no god

[sonic lion]

Instinct? My man Nietzsche would say otherwise

[sonic lion]

What if I'm Jesus Christ and all morality is based on what is right for me

[turbid dome]

I see morals as bullshit so I guess I don’t care because there’s no objective way to measure anything, so I don’t really use morality to justify anything but rather to explain the outcome of things if that makes any sense.

[sonic lion]

LMFAO I love this dialog

[thorny steeple]

im not following that, i want a morality which adds all the humans

[feral river]

My morality is based on guns

[urban swift]

What if the outcome is in your favor

[feral river]

Who has the most gun who’s the justice

[urban swift]

Hail CCP

[feral river]

And he is

[sonic lion]

I'm just saying if Jesus is the personification of love then all morality is based on it, it can't be selfish

[urban swift]

Practically that's true

[turbid dome]

Whoever’s favor it is in is irrelevant

[thorny steeple]

power comes from gun

[feral river]

Because whoever oppose his justice are dead

Regime born from guns

[urban swift]

You may want to have the outcome in your favor

[feral river]

You have adopted Minecraftism

[turbid dome]

Ok but I’ve done some bad things so if my version of morality reflects me as perfect I would argue it’s functionally useless

[feral river]

Congratulations you are indoctrinated

Lmfao

[turbid dome]

Always been my point on morality specifically

[feral river]

Then we are comrades

It’s time to be side by side and abolish the constitution

[urban swift]

@real lily you can ping anyone here too

[sonic lion]

Who tf is olivander

[urban swift]

@real lily here as well

[thorny steeple]

i dont give a shit until you prove me there is a jesus and he is all loving

[turbid dome]

🫡🫡🫡

[turbid dome]

Swede

[tiny crag]

👋 😃

[sonic lion]

That was not what I meant, I don't even think there is a Jesus

Anyhow

[thorny steeple]

my defintion is well being of all humans and thinking creatures, not just one god

[sonic lion]

I wanted to talk about the categorical imperative but Kant was a christian so I might contradict myself

[cerulean pivot]

Our swedish twink

Twin*

[fathom kite]

💀

[sonic lion]

Lmfao

[thorny steeple]

bc in the past, jesus had noahs ark, which killed all the people on earth, including those innocent children who haven't done anything wrong

hes practily a genocider

@grok concise it for me

gpt it

[sonic lion]

Actually I was thinking about Feuerbach's the essence of Christianity, where he argues that religion is men projecting parts of himself into an exterior divine being
In that logic, Jesus is a symbol for love
I wasn't talking the religious Jesus but what humanity consideres the highest of itself, love

Can morality be bas3d on love?

[tiny crag]

👋 ☹️ 😢

[sonic lion]

The quote unquote

[thorny steeple]

There's a prerequisite for it, be a Christian first
what kind of love says you gotta believe this or we are executing you

[sonic lion]

Lmao sorry

[thorny steeple]

i thought he was just ugly on the outside

[thorny steeple]

nope

if my morality is based on love, would you inject a vaccine in a 2 year old with gonna inflict pain?

[sonic lion]

Yeah but Feuerbach makes a distinction between God, the holy spirit and Jesus. Jesus is solely love

[sonic lion]

Yea

Suffering for a purpose

[thorny steeple]

isnt pain opposite of love

[sonic lion]

No, its hate

Pain is necessary to sustain life

[thorny steeple]

anyways i think morality should be abour well being, and not some love, good, bad, feelings

[sonic lion]

I was thinking about it because I read bell hooks's all about love and she debates it

The idea that love is an action and so on

[sonic lion]

Love is not a feeling for her

It's action, comprimse, respect etc

[thorny steeple]

shouldnt i let all those vulnerable kids die so only the kids with immunity would survie to make better continution of a species?

[sonic lion]

Personally I wouldn't lol

[feral river]

Morality is a fucking tool used by authority to regulate stupid guys for their own interest

Somebody would believe that following moral would help their case

[thorny steeple]

so you should change your definition

[feral river]

What a fucking naive thought

[urban swift]

Add on
Killing men of other faiths/tribe thereafter abducting their women as war booty and keeping them as sex slaves.

You're doing good.

[thorny steeple]

here come the thinker

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1452874801994530947/1453946285177569381/image0.gif

[sonic lion]

But morality usually contradicts whatever they're doing to maintain power

[thorny steeple]

hes confusing power wiht morality

no wonder hes a communist

[thorny steeple]

are you vegan

[sonic lion]

I mean he's kinda right, condemning violence for instance only serves the people in power since rebellion would feel wrong

[sonic lion]

That's why I understood him then lol

[sonic lion]

No, are you?

[thorny steeple]

btw government dont function on morals they have laws

[thorny steeple]

im not

[thorny steeple]

what justifies you killing and eating animals?

[sonic lion]

Do you think eating meat contradicts your morals?