🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

that doesn't mean that DJT is Hitler, he isn't and Hitler lose the war, he got throw off the throne

DJT is an elected President of the United States of America

[gritty echo]

Just look at Africa they are just separated , killed, massacred, these guys are just basically an animal not human for most of the people in the back, and they just take their freedom after mid 19th or lately times

[feral river]

if you are from Africa hold this mind I understand that make sense okay

[gritty echo]

Np I'm not African

[feral river]

but for the people who live in the most powerful country, what they care is their national interest as what the interest groups and bureaucrats would also care

none of your concern establish based on liberalism ideology exist in their interest range

[gritty echo]

Yeah and these way just fucked the world

[feral river]

basically nobody cares

[gritty echo]

And humans are smart creatures right

[feral river]

they care a lot that's why DJT got elected

[feral river]

you have installed a hardware of being smart does that mean you have the software of using this smart to do a smart thing

you could use that to abuse evil as well

you are also smart of doing that

[gritty echo]

Your mindsets are sick I'm going to other chats

See ya

[feral river]

all of his moves was for maximizing the National Interest which represented by Republican party and their interest groups of huge capitalists and landowners

he's a Republican president represent Republican party and represent the interest group who support the Republican party

ofc he's doing for his own interest group as well as the national interest

that's how democracy works, he won the election and that's it

he won so he represent the whole country

if you don't like it, try to push another person to win

if you lose, you are nothing

or you want to have a military coup if you win that could work anyway

but can you ? I doubt that very hardly

that's obviously your opinion, not his obligation

his obligation was seize more interest from the country and outside of the world for his own party

and benefit his interest class

on the paper, not his mind

dude 🤣

you should say that to Nale he would laugh at you damn hard

@shy summit

again, that's what you want okay ? not he's up to

and you hold 0 accountability to DJT

[slender coral]

@round canopy yo I installed linux. Converted to Linuxism from windows

[feral river]

his duty is to seize interest for his party and interest group from everywhere

[cerulean pivot]

Welcome to the light

[feral river]

he doesn't have the pressure of being overthrown because he rules under the US system based on the constitution, he's just a person that represent his party, if he gone does not mean that his interest group will gone

for here in authoritarian states, for example China, what do you think if Xi Jinping got overthrown ?

that's a huge fucking diaster to CCP and this entire interest group and organization everywhere in the nation

so people assume that leader in the authoritarian states that holds no accountability is not true, actually it's hard to be in charge holding tremendous of power in this huge system

one false move from the ultimate source of power could cause huge disaster throughout the country

it's a different form but never gonna be easy compared with the struggle in a democratic state

also it has the benefit of efficiency, flexibility and more authority power compared with democratic states

but risk went all time high, so that's the case in authoritarian states

just wait for the next election, for now he's still the President

only God knows

irreligious

there's a difference between atheism and irreligious but you could consider it that way

atheism was more like forcing a belief based on atheist ideology

irreligious was none of such belief exists

Yeah, there’s a belief

Irreligious doesn’t have a belief

[gloomy frost]

Agnostic?

[feral river]

https://x.com/skscartoon/status/2012316371523158173?s=46

Skscartoon (@skscartoon)

I don't know what Trump's endgame for Greenland is going to be, but a dominant United States is much better for the world than European globalism.

X · Jan 17, 2026, 12:09 AM

[fresh flower]

That's not the point of EU sending troops

[feral river]

"troops"

😭

[fresh flower]

They're not stupid they know they can't stop the US military, the point is to force them to shoot EU troops

[feral river]

a military with around 30 personnel could only be assigned as a company

not even a battalion

[fresh flower]

Size isn't important here

They need to force an engagement

[gloomy frost]

And I will quote "irreligious doesn't have a belief" and what's the meaning of agnostic?

?def agnostic

[cursive bobcat]

Word: agnostic

Definition 1 (adjective): uncertain of all claims to knowledge
Definition 2 (noun): someone who is doubtful or noncommittal about something
Definition 3 (noun): a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist)

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by soulvelt

[gloomy frost]

._.

First of all, I don't think there's anyone like that, But if I had to I'd consider them agnostic.

Sure, They are agnostic.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[feral river]

agnostic is lack of certainty of all claims to knowledge and events

[gloomy frost]

I know, are you one of them?

[feral river]

irreligious is absence of belief

[gloomy frost]

I see.

[feral river]

well no

I'm obviously not agnostic

[gloomy frost]

Absence of belief in God right?

[feral river]

absence of belief in recognizing a claim

[gloomy frost]

I don't really get it, Kinda confusing.

[feral river]

for instance, God is a claim you could not to believe it, but I exist as a fact that simply exists

I exist does not exist as a claim but fact under objective observation

[gloomy frost]

I see.

[feral river]

agnostic was like I don't believe in anything, even if I was existing

[gloomy frost]

Then agnostic's would violate a fundamental truth, I think there for I am.

[feral river]

kind of true but atheism was more like I believe there is no God which is not irreligious

irreligious was absence of recognizing the claim as well as the belief

[gloomy frost]

Makes sense.

[fresh flower]

They're both lying to you btw

Agnostic just means "you're not sure", it's between theism (belief) and atheism (disbelief)

Irreligious can mean not being religious or not following a religion

[gloomy frost]

I thought that at first, but I don't really care tbh.

[fresh flower]

You can for example be Muslim and be irreligious, skipping Ramadan etc but still believing in Allah and all that

[gloomy frost]

It's like a deist or something I guess.

[fresh flower]

Exactly

Is that what you are

[feral river]

that's not so true I would consider

[fresh flower]

You can't be atheist you're too self aware

[feral river]

irreligious basically means nothing was irrelevant to religion and refuse to recognize the religion or to commit any belief to anything

[feral river]

you could be self-aware while be an atheist obviously

[fresh flower]

Most aren't

[gloomy frost]

I am agnostic, atheism isn't for me.

[feral river]

that make sense but for me I would pick the first one

it's like two different explaination or version

for me it's the first one

[fresh flower]

Ngl I don't think there is a difference between atheism and religious

Both would be making claims they can't prove

[feral river]

it's a huge difference okay

atheism that means you still commit your belief into non-God existing theory which is the atheism ideology

[fresh flower]

No, you can't prove that no God/Gods exist

Neither can you prove that they do

[gloomy frost]

Most common argument they have is, They are free and are actually thinker unlike theist, while still being controlled by external autonomy.
Unlike theist, which states their rules outright, society doesn't that's why they think they're free when everyone is trapped.

[fresh flower]

It's the same thing

[feral river]

obviously you can, through direct observation

by direct observation there's no God exist

God is a claim that you would assume it exist

[gloomy frost]

Acting like chains doesn't exist, doesn't make them disappear, it makes a person ignorant.

[fresh flower]

How about gravity? Time? Consciousness? None of those are directly observable, just their effects

[feral river]

nothing could be proven its certainty without observation

[feral river]

the explanation of these effects by objective direct observation built a whole logical system that could be observable based on these tools

for example you have eyes you could catch the light so you could observe the world through the light

[fresh flower]

Yeah but you still don't see the cause, humans just built a system to see and explain the effects

[feral river]

but you don't have a scope on your own to observe the alpha ray

[feral river]

you have the tool to observe is the basis of everything can be established with certainty

[fresh flower]

If a religious person said "God shaped us this way" there's no comeback

[feral river]

if you don't trust your eye or you believe your eye is being scammed by the world that's not the real case of proving something does exist

close your eye that everything disappear is false

everything still exists

[feral river]

I don't even think you would even give a fuck about it

instead of saying God

try to ask him why can't my little d shaped you in that way ?

[fresh flower]

You should if you claim you can prove that God/Gods don't exist

[feral river]

🤣

[fresh flower]

It's a massive claim

[feral river]

it is not the claim, it is a simple fact

a simple fact based on lack of observation

you can't observe it, so it doesn't exist

[fresh flower]

Based on your own observations, which is not that different from a religious person saying "It's a fact that God exist, I have observed it"

That's why I'm saying being religious and atheist isn't that different

Neither can be proven

[gloomy frost]

there's none because they are using different structures, Belief is different than empirical evidence, while "a logical person" what atheists think they are.
Asks for empirical evidence.

[feral river]

he could say that and claim it in that way but the only different between me and him was reproducible fact

[fresh flower]

See Solvent gets it

You can't prove either stance

[feral river]

for example water can be boil at 100oc in general atmospheric pressure

[gloomy frost]

Right because belief doesn't rely on factual evidence, it relies on devotion.

[fresh flower]

There is no reproduced evidence of God/Gods not existing, that's why religions still exist

[feral river]

but he claims it doesn't boil in such case but you could prove it by redo it and observe

that prove him saying a false claim

[feral river]

that's exactly why their claim is a false claim

if you can't bring reproduced evidence, you are claiming a false fact

it is just that easy

[fresh flower]

Yes but if you claim that God/Gods don't exist and can't prove it, it's literally no different

That's why I'm saying religion and atheism is the same thing

[feral river]

you can never prove a thing that does not exist

that's the basis of prove

you can't prove something negative existing

[fresh flower]

Can you prove that I'm not wearing pink Björn Borg underwear right now

[feral river]

if you establish your theory based on claiming a non-existing thing could be proven

I could do that by saying here's a cup that does not exist

how could you know ?

that's a freaking endless pointless argument

[fresh flower]

That's what I'm saying 😭😭😭

[feral river]

exactly, without direct observation, I can't do that prove

but by reproducing the evidence you could prove something exist

I can't prove what you are wearing as I can't prove why God does not exist

[crystal kayak]

How? were you always this dumb.

[feral river]

you are basically giving me further explaination of why God exist is a false claim based on observation

you are on the same based on this

[fresh flower]

Evidence of it or evidence of its effect like gravity/time/conciousness?

[feral river]

gravity/time/conciousness can be proven by observation

[fresh flower]

"God exist because we humans are on Earth and there is no proof of otherwise" can't be scientifically refuted

[fresh flower]

NO THEY CANNOT

You can only observe their effects

[feral river]

they could obviously

[fresh flower]

No bro you literally cannot 😭

Gravity only exists through its effects

[gloomy frost]

a single person doesn't represent an entire religion.

[fresh flower]

So does time and consciousness

[feral river]

by effect you mean an abstractive non-observable effect, as a rule of observe on things can be proven as exist

[fresh flower]

All 3 are human concepts

[crystal kayak]

No I was arguing about how you threw the "insecure" word carelessly.When confronted you changed the topic.And are you reading my messages,or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[feral river]

dude, if it's non-observable we won't use it till now because it has evidence and very direct and can be reproduced

it is human concepts but it exists

it can be proven, could find direct evidence, can be reproduced evidence

it establish based on human's sensing system

well everything based on human's sensing system

without sensing system you don't even heck know what the fuck is the world

it's not what you think how an abstract concept that is all human made and fake

no dude, it has evidence and can be observed and reproduced

[crystal kayak]

So the one where you called men insecure if they don't like their woman wearing shorts and tops is not a point of debate?Went us far is calling us dictators.I beg you please go and learn about feminism this is just embarrassing.

[feral river]

for a freaking example, if I cut off your brain you will have two mind in one body

that's very direct isn't it

[crystal kayak]

I just pity you.Thinking feminism is revealing as much as you can,you and the feminist you are watching have lost your minds get a grip

@urban swift here🪑

[cyan reef]

the name if "serious-chat" is scary

is this a plan to rub a bank ?

[slender coral]

It's worse, people fight about politics and religion here.

[cyan reef]

?????????????

its actually serious

[shell hemlock]

One of the reasons I don’t belong in the toxic feminism community is because of that

[slender coral]

Would you like to join us?

[fallow shard]

Biggest mistake ever

[slender coral]

Hey duck. How's life with you?

[cyan reef]

why not
what is the current dissution

[cyan reef]

not as playing league of legends ?

[tight helm]

@brazen flare hey u! Are u the guy who bullied my friend, Angel? I suggest u go apologize to her before I make things worse

[slender coral]

They seem to be talking about feminism. What do you think about it ya abu hemaid?

[cyan reef]

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

i think what my traditions and region say about this

male must treat any related female to him like a queen
and he work, and provide security and anyways be a man

[slender coral]

What if the woman wants independence?

[tight helm]

Do I sound like a joke to u?🙂

[fresh flower]

What no

[tight helm]

That's what I thought

[fresh flower]

I just feel bad for Arnav

[tight helm]

Why's that?

[fresh flower]

He doesn't know what he's getting himself into 🐺😈

[tight helm]

Well

Indeed he's gonna get cooked when he sees it

[fresh flower]

When nice guys like us get angry

The devil shivers.

[tight helm]

Who?

Damn shit 🤷🏻

[cyan reef]

she want to play life as a hardcore game and go work and provide for herself?
as a man, if someone told me i would provide for you and you just play or do what ever you want
i would accept that without knowing the rules

[slender coral]

I don't shiver, bro.

[slender coral]

Living your life under the mercy of someone is often not a good thing. A lot of women face abuse with no way out of it when they rely on men and aren't able to rely on themselves. Also, cases where the man is abusive aren't the only one where a woman would need to be able to deal with life. The man could get sick, die, or have to travel and in these cases a lot of women who are raised to be dependent often face a lot of difficulties.

[pseudo flume]

[cyan reef]

oh my dude you mixed the real rules of traditions and islam
and what stupid people saying they are applying the rules but they are not
and the real thing

you are correct in what you said but if you mean those stupids

but in reality
real muslims don't do those stupid things
our women can work, can do what ever she want
but some people thing woman should go out naked to be free
and that is a real stupid thing to do actaully
going out naked is like a free gift for any man eye

[high rapids]

WELCOME BACK

[slender coral]

I think the part about "going out naked" is a different discussion to have, but anyway do you think Islam even grant women the choice for independence? Is a woman allowed to just not have a male guardian?

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[pseudo flume]

Ep file? Wild shi

[cyan reef]

weird quetion but if it would help, here is my thought

is a woman allowed to choose if she could be independant or not
in the first place, she is
no one can tell her to do this or do that
in islamic speach she is just a queen, dont need to cook, clean, help or anything
in traditions, she help in coocking and those stuff but this is traditions not islam
like in islam if she dont want to do any of these her man (father, brother, husband) should provide a servant for her (or a servant to do those stuff)

[fallow shard]

Finished my 2/5 literature videos I have to do, I feel such a dork for doing these stupid assignments🫩

[fallow shard]

Okay that's good point

[cyan reef]

thats the point

[slender coral]

It's not about serving. I'm asking about independance, if she can just walk away from an abusive family and live on her own. What I know is that, it's not allowed.

[lime tundra]

It is allowed

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[lime tundra]

A woman doesn’t have to endure abuse

[wind zephyr]

This place is always in chaos

[lime tundra]

Islam protect women. It doesn’t force us to do things we don’t want to do

[wind zephyr]

[fallow shard]

Have to endure is different than can she leave the situation

It's not religious problem, it's problem that many women face

[cyan reef]

ok thats kinda true but not what you think
why its not wha tyou think ?
because this point got alot in it

she is allowed actually in generally speaking point
but you said "abusive family" this isnt indepentant or islamic thing to be abusive family but anyways in this satuation she sould run for her life not just be indepentant

[wind zephyr]

Hm

Should I jump in

[slender coral]

Have any respectable scholars "علماء" addressed this before and said women don't have to endure abuse and can be independent? Because I never heard nor read an Islamic scholar saying this.

[cyan reef]

yes thats true
the problem is, people mix traditions (the bad one) and islamic rules

[wind zephyr]

Google can't translate that what that?

[cyan reef]

ok this makes it different
we now talk in differant level

[wind zephyr]

???

[lime tundra]

Yes, unfortunately.

[wind zephyr]

3

[cyan reef]

boys here got a point but its not a logical one so we got another problem of making the discussion making sense first

[shadow tree]

2 + 2 =1

[cyan reef]

yeah, thats the logic they use here

[slender coral]

Above men? That's not true Islamically.

(Men are the protectors and maintainers of women,)
(because Allah has made one of them to excel the other,) meaning, because men excel over women and are better than them for certain tasks. This is why prophethood was exclusive of men, as well as other important positions of leadership. The Prophet said,

«لَنْ يُفْلِحَ قَوْمٌ وَلَّوْا أَمْرَهُمُ امْرَأَة»

(People who appoint a woman to be their leader, will never achieve success.) Al-Bukhari recorded this Hadith. Such is the case with appointing women as judges or on other positions of leadership.
https://quran.com/ar/4:34/tafsirs/en-tafisr-ibn-kathir

[lime tundra]

You’re right, and most families would support their daughters when they want to leave, and if she doesn’t want to leave, they don’t just allow her husband to abuse her.

[wind zephyr]

Very logical

[wind zephyr]

Where the hell u got these documents

[cyan reef]

oh man you got mixed alot of things
itss hard to help you understand all of this at once

[lime tundra]

I find it very funny how a lot of people say Islam imprisons its women, but they never ask us women if we feel imprisoned. We actually believe Islam is protecting us.

[wind zephyr]

No need, he is muslim he understands everything

[cyan reef]

true
may i ask where you from ?

[lime tundra]

Of course, Im Jordanian.

[wind zephyr]

[cyan reef]

ohh thats actually better
but as everyone here sounds to be muslim
why are we using english

oh this is english hub

my bad

[wind zephyr]

ہاں اردو بولو

[slender coral]

They face it way more often in Muslim countries (and religious countries generally).
Patriarchy is a universal problem, sure, but religious texts solidify it. Change in religious environments is often tied to breaking religion itself, because people would simply pull such a verse, Hadith, and scholarly opinions like I did but to justify sexism and misogyny not to criticize the religion.

[cyan reef]

oh, love you guys
jordanians are super good

[cyan reef]

what ?

[lime tundra]

Thank you!! Where are you from?

[wind zephyr]

That's doesn't sound as muslim language?

[lime tundra]

There’s no such thing as “Muslim language”.

[cyan reef]

oh yeah i really want to help him as i love to learn about islam and im Azhar student but this is way hard to do as he got alot of things
maybe in a long run i can but in one day ?
nah

[lime tundra]

What are you even talking about?

[wind zephyr]

Hm really

[cyan reef]

bro there is still alot of problems in non-arabic countries
and even if its in arabic countries
we got alot of non muslims in those countries and they do the same as its traditions not religion

[slender coral]

The problem is when you force the soldier to be in that role. Islamic texts don't give women the freedom to choose what's suitable for them. Mohamed literally said that people who let a woman rule them will never succeed, even a soldier can take the place of a monarch sometimes, but women have always been stuck in certain roles where their autonomy is absent.

[cyan reef]

Egypt
i love to be Egyptian

[wind zephyr]

Hm i am not gonna read that long sentences

[cyan reef]

no, its arabic but i cant understand the word

[wind zephyr]

U don't know Arabi?

[lime tundra]

Ohhh Egypt is the best, would love to visit it one day.

[cyan reef]

they are mixing alot of stuff

[lime tundra]

They’re arabic letters but those aren’t real words.

[wind zephyr]

That's urdu my bad XD

[cyan reef]

yeah thanks for sharing this

[cyan reef]

انا اقدر اتكلم عربي عادي جدا بس مش عارف اقرا الي انت كتبته

[wind zephyr]

لطيف - جيد

[cyan reef]

me too for jordan
its one of my first distinations

[cyan reef]

yeah

[cyan reef]

i noticed that

[cyan reef]

ok cute

[slender coral]

It's a problem with religions. Religions are deeply intertwined with tradition. Tell me, do you know any old religion that says women can be independent, or that they can lead? Religions are often as rigid as tradition because the sources of both are often the same, some men in ancient and medieval times who didn't know better and reflect their biases on their teachings and advice.

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[wind zephyr]

It's fun to argue i guess XD

[cyan reef]

you didnt actually deeply learn in regligions so i would suggest you to go and learn more
may i know where are you from and how old are you ?

good answer actually

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[cyan reef]

this opens up for new problem that people actually things that women are facing problems from the family but some women dont like the religional rules

[wind zephyr]

Buddhism tell to not marry

[slender coral]

Didn't deeply learn? What does that require? To be a scholar?
If that's the case, you are asking for something not everyone have the time nor energy for, though I'll actually do that one day.
But anyway, I certainly know enough to talk about it here, I know Hadiths, Quranic verses, and scholarly opinions that are as harmful as the ones I shared.

[wind zephyr]

Let woman be free XD

[fallow shard]

True

[fallow shard]

Let everyone live as they want

Simply best advice

[wind zephyr]

Ok

[fallow shard]

Depends which one

I'd rather follow Marvels version of Thor

[cyan reef]

bro ive been studying islam for more than 16 years now
and im still saying im a noob in it (actaully i am a noob) so being a scholar is differant
and knowing the whole holy quraan and hadith is not really what is is to talk about those problems
we still (all of us) need to know

[cyan reef]

its weird as some random males in discord server are trying to solve a non real problem

[wind zephyr]

Is chess haram in hadith?

[crude mist]

REAL

[wind zephyr]

._.

[cyan reef]

whaat does that do with our discussion ?

[slender coral]

The will of god is seen differently depending on the people. What Taliban does many Muslims consider to be the will of god, what Hindu nationalists do in India are considered the will of god(s) for them, heck many Christians in the US often think Trump and Israel are carrying out the will of god.

[lime tundra]

Dude what are you talking about for gods sake??

[wind zephyr]

Just curiousity most of them told me it's haram

[wind zephyr]

Chess is forbidden in islam

[lime tundra]

I don’t think so…

Is it actually? I would love to know.

[wind zephyr]

I ask a muslim guy to play but he said it's haram XD

[lime tundra]

Personally, I play chess, and I’m really good at it, but I never heard about it being haram.

[wind zephyr]

U have been studying islam u will def know the answer

[cyan reef]

its not haram directly
but wasting alot of time in it or making gambling is haram

[wind zephyr]

Oh

[wind zephyr]

Ur elo?

[cyan reef]

not true
i know it yeah but this isnt about studying

[cyan reef]

wow

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[lime tundra]

What’s elo?

[wind zephyr]

[lime tundra]

Thanks

[fallow shard]

[wind zephyr]

Elo is rating in chess

[crude mist]

lmao

[wind zephyr]

Good player know the meaning of elo

[feral river]

Many of Trump's comments and actions have been characterized as racist.[542] Several studies and surveys found that racist attitudes fueled Trump's political ascent and were more important than economic factors in determining the allegiance of Trump voters.[543] He explicitly and routinely disparages racial, religious, and ethnic minorities,[544] and scholars consistently find that racist and Islamophobic attitudes regarding blacks, immigrants, and Muslims are strong indicators of support for Trump.[545][546]

this is pure hating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

[wind zephyr]

I am not going to read that long

[cyan reef]

true

[crude mist]

Its not that much bud

[feral river]

respect DJT under his administration

[wind zephyr]

Djt full form?

[lime tundra]

Oh… I play it with friends on boards, I don’t play it online that much, so I never really checked.

[cyan reef]

it got tramp face in it

[wind zephyr]

Oh

[feral river]

President of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump

[cyan reef]

thats cooler actually
online chess is bad

[wind zephyr]

Pray for world under his term

[slender coral]

You guys seem to raise the bar only when it comes to criticizing Islam tbh. Like, when someone wanna convert and not sure, the response typically is "Oh, you wanna convert while you know nothing? JUST SAY ASHAHADU ANA LA ILLAH ILA ALLAH WA AN MOHAMADAN RASUL ALLAH QUICKLY BEFORE YOU DIE!!!", on the other hand you guys demand phds in Islamic studies for one to criticize Islam.
Anyway, there have been many knowledgeable individuals who criticized Islam historically. It's not something that only me raising. Take this guy as an example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_al-Qasemi

[wind zephyr]

What

[wind zephyr]

Very long documents

[cyan reef]

man you are doing all of this wrong

[slender coral]

What am I doing wrong? If you can't respond in English, you can dm me in Arabic.

[wind zephyr]

Hm

أعرف اللغة العربية، ويمكنني مساعدتك أيضاً.

[slender coral]

Bruh you are saying my arguments are ridiculous when you haven't addressed any of em.

[cyan reef]

yeah i would prefer talking to you not the whole server about this if you really want help
if you are just talking for no reason sorry i got no time \

[lime tundra]

I agree. I don’t like online chess as much, but it’s still good when I play it.

[cyan reef]

yeah, i didnt play for while
wanna play ?

[crystal kayak]

Desmond tutu are you Muslim

[slender coral]

Sure, which is a problem btw. Also, women are given way less autonmy than men, thst's what I'm talking about.

The Islamic prophet said in an instance that women are deficit in reason.

It moved to? It has always been the case since the start. Read the Quranic verse and the tafsir I shared at the beginning.

It certainly does.

[cyan reef]

@slender coral i've sent you a friend request, if you really want help im open too
if you are just trying to talk lifelessly in this server
have fun

[crude mist]

what's this guy even about🥀

[lime tundra]

I would love to, but Im not home rn, so maybe later.

[slender coral]

It's fun to be able to express opinions you can't express irl. If I talk about this openly irl, your fellow Muslims might kill me.

[cyan reef]

i dont know but i want to help him if he wants

[cyan reef]

what ?

not true at all

i know non-religion friends in egypt (islamic country) and they talk openly

[cyan reef]

ok

[lime tundra]

Naaaah, I think it’s better to teach people about Islam in a calm respectful manner.

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[slender coral]

Bruh, have you heard about Sherif Gaber before? He used to get a lot of death threats and recently got arrested for criticizing Islam.

[wind zephyr]

._.

Why this chat is dedicated to islam

No I won't read that

[cyan reef]

bro he is not even a good person
he is attacking not trying to find the truth and this isnt respectable at all
and he is not politly talkin

[slender coral]

bro 😭
I'm talking about this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherif_Gaber

[wind zephyr]

Phew this is small

[manic juniper]

It's legal to be atheist but illegal to be openly atheist?

[wind zephyr]

Where?

[manic juniper]

Egypt

[wind zephyr]

Oh i don't think that's safe

Be Atheist only in ur house

[slender coral]

It's actually legal to be openly atheist. But we have an ambiguious law called "insulting religion" law, and it's often abused in such cases.

[cerulean pivot]

ازدراء الاديان؟

[manic juniper]

Lol I guess magistrates will apply laws however they wish

[wind zephyr]

?def blasphemy

[cursive bobcat]

Word: blasphemy

Definition 1 (noun): blasphemous behavior; the act of depriving something of its sacred character
Definition 2 (noun): blasphemous language (expressing disrespect for God or for something sacred)

Definition requested by cylus_mylus

[slender coral]

Yeah.

[wind zephyr]

Oh they burn them alive who insult islam

I get it

[slender coral]

Actually, it seems like we have a law against "inciting to atheism" too, but I haven't heard about it before Idk why.

[cerulean pivot]

Found it decent tbh
Without it the two religions would tear each other's apart

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[cerulean pivot]

Useful in multi religions countries besides it's limitations on some ideas

[wind zephyr]

I am just here to read chats

[cerulean pivot]

Stay silent then

[slender coral]

They don't. If you are referring to the story in Islamic texts, it was a mistake one of Mohamed companions made. Mohamed prohibited killing people with fire, but he did command executing apostates.

[wind zephyr]

[wind zephyr]

Hm i was referring to bangladesh incident where they burn a Hindu over blasphemy of islam

[manic juniper]

I'm wondering how legal is it to incite polytheism

Sure in the country that used to have the most gods

[wind zephyr]

?def incite

[cursive bobcat]

Word: incite

Definition 1 (verb): give an incentive for action
Definition 2 (verb): provoke or stir up
Definition 3 (verb): urge on; cause to act

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by cylus_mylus

[manic juniper]

Yes you can, and no one said they were omnipotent

[wind zephyr]

Hm

?def omnipotent

[cursive bobcat]

Word: omnipotent

Definition (adjective): having unlimited power

Definition requested by cylus_mylus

[wind zephyr]

Ohk

[crystal kayak]

Dude can't comprehend that a woman wants to dress modestly without anyone forcing her.He said"We are dictators." IMPLYING that we force women to wear modestly.And I clearly explained to him that not all women are the same,some want to wear tops and shorts others want to wear modestly.He freaked out at the thought of a woman wanting to wear modest clothes

[manic juniper]

That's how humans work, you're anthropomorphising them

[wind zephyr]

?def anthropomorphising

[cursive bobcat]

Word: anthropomorphising

No definitions listed.

Definition requested by cylus_mylus

[wind zephyr]

Where the hell u learn these words

[manic juniper]

This is like saying ants with multiple queens would have different interests and inevitably come in conflict. No they don't. There are species where multiple queens are the standard

Nothing stops each of them from having their own universe

Neither are humans

Look up what "example" means perhaps

I don't know, I'm not a god

I don't give them properties based off my feelings

That makes no sense

"I just proved" lol none of these arguments held up as shown

???

Weak ragebait

[wind zephyr]

Very weak

Devil is better in ragebait

[crystal kayak]

Not everything is ragebait

[wind zephyr]

Really

[crystal kayak]

Did you think Desmond was ragebaiting

[wind zephyr]

Hm

Who's Desmond

@abstract night this guy

[crystal kayak]

@abstract night

[wind zephyr]

Nah i don't think si

[fallow shard]

What even is the discussion anymore

[crystal kayak]

So why did you agree that he was ragebaiting.

[crystal kayak]

MODESTY

[fallow shard]

Oh f that concept

[wind zephyr]

I mentioned devil not demsi

[crystal kayak]

Ahh sorry for the misunderstanding then

[crystal kayak]

Why?

[fallow shard]

I hate people have need to control others clothing

[crystal kayak]

Even if I were an atheist,I wouldn't want to raise my kids in a place where grown people don't have the self awareness to dress appropriately when they are in the streets

[fallow shard]

THERE'S DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THAT AND PEOPLE WEARING WHAT THEY WANR

[crystal kayak]

It is not about controlling others

[fallow shard]

Ain't no fucking way y'all didn't get past that in 2 days🫩

W-E-A-R

[manic juniper]

You can't wear something that doesn't exist

[round canopy]

the right thing to do.

[fallow shard]

Point is that it's completely different thing people being idiots and not having anything on

If they've something on I couldn't care less what they wear

[manic juniper]

Besides that's legal as long as it's tolerated by others

[slender coral]

I hope my gaming experience be smooth. I got surprised when I learned you guys don't have Nvidia control panel.

[fallow shard]

Y'all are missing the point on purpose🫩

[wind zephyr]

Hm

[round canopy]

we can run .exes bro/
do sudo apt install wine (iirc)

[fallow shard]

S-O-M-E

[slender coral]

What's wine?

[round canopy]

1st learn wine. run a bunnvh of stuff yk

[round canopy]

WINE stands for wine is not an emulator

[fallow shard]

That's basically reason why there are places where it's completely allowed

[round canopy]

*unix like OSes

it is even on free bsd

[slender coral]

I see

[round canopy]

not on the temple os yet hto

not only that

[manic juniper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freikörperkultur

[fallow shard]

No, you're missing the point that people shouldn't dictate what others should wear just bcs YOU don't like something

[round canopy]

you didnt mention anything futher than mac and wine

[manic juniper]

They been doing it since the 19th century

No, that would exclude Android

[fallow shard]

This chat makes me wanna just jump bcs the lack of brain activity

Adios

[manic juniper]

He has German ancestors

They gave him his ancestors' birth certificates some months ago

[grave drum]

Jeans are tight

They show th curves of women

[manic juniper]

Not all

[grave drum]

They show the curves of the female vessel

[round canopy]

who in the world use mac..ok nvm

[grave drum]

The burqa and jeans are very different in this conversation

Legs is the least sexual part of the male

[round canopy]

i prefer to die if ever to use it's OFFICIAL version
rn im on windows btw. i need to test stuff
i dont even have mc defender

apple is the most ew company after MC

[grave drum]

It's proven proven

It's a subjective matter

[crystal kayak]

We are just getting it out of our system

[grave drum]

Your gf opinion is subjective I'm talking objectively

[crystal kayak]

Should we change the topic to gay people

[grave drum]

Ankle and knees aren't sexual

Women get objectified more then men

It's proven

[fallow shard]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-happy-bunny-excited-bunny-bunny-running-around-rabbit-gif-9220709935496330266

[grave drum]

1/3 female has been SA

It's why they must be protected

[crystal kayak]

Tf burqa? Just wear modest clothes,is it that hard

[grave drum]

If you flaunt your Ur body expect to get looked at

[fallow shard]

Problem is men sexualising everything

[grave drum]

Women are protected that's why they wear these stuff

[manic juniper]

It doesn't seem to work

[crystal kayak]

It is a problem, dressing modestly goes both ways

[grave drum]

And men aren't even allowed to touch women as long as it isn't their wife

[crystal kayak]

Jeans are actually modest,if it is not too tight.

[grave drum]

You can't control what other people think it's why they are protected against such people

[crystal kayak]

That is it I am coming to inject you with test

[grave drum]

Men have higher sex drive you can't control this

[fallow shard]

Jesus fucking Christ💀

[manic juniper]

Can't they live somewhere else then

[crystal kayak]

Yeah,I am joking with him as he is a gay man it will turn him straight

[grave drum]

You don't but generally most men do as they have higher testosterone

[manic juniper]

We have a place for people who can't control themselves, it's called prison

[fallow shard]

So men are the problem?

[crystal kayak]

I will come back when the rogue feminist little monster replies.

[fallow shard]

We need to get rid off testosterone

Easy solution

[crystal kayak]

How dare you.

Not a she

[grave drum]

You've never felt stimulated looking at women?

[fallow shard]

We saving world this way

[fallow shard]

Don't do anything to women and you're safe, simple

[grave drum]

So it's a normal thing

[crystal kayak]

So I shouldn't get married

[fallow shard]

Are u even real person

[crystal kayak]

Maybe you should be more specific

[grave drum]

Hijab and such are meant to protected their dignity and looks from other people

You wouldn't want to get stared lustfully would you?

Not all men are like this but there will be occasions nobody is perfect

[jagged locust]

Agreed

[gloomy frost]

You can buddy, just say you can't control your impulses, and are actively controlled by lust.

[grave drum]

It's normal for feel stimulated by women who dress provocative

[bleak pelican]

hi

[manic juniper]

We could but we need to carry a whole roadblock at all times

[bleak pelican]

free constantinople

[manic juniper]

Damn you really did

[fallow shard]

You're wrong on that

[gloomy frost]

And it's normal to mind your own damn business.
Stimulation exists, yes but it doesn't justify action.

[grave drum]

You are at higher chances of getting looked at by men if you wear sexual clothes then all other examples you gave

[fallow shard]

from OTHER people, so they're the problem and not the one who wears something

[gloomy frost]

good one.

[fallow shard]

Have you considered that they also might do it just to get looks

And if so, what's wrong

[grave drum]

You should have some goddamn dignity as a women

[fallow shard]

What about men?

[grave drum]

Not seek attention with your weird clothes

[grave drum]

That's exactly what's wrong

[fallow shard]

Also people wear usually what they want and what they're comfortable with and confident in

[gloomy frost]

Why not? The girl who's wearing it might like attention, what's your problem with that?

[fallow shard]

[fallow shard]

Why?

[grave drum]

Then expect looks and lusty men

[slender coral]

Men can certainly control themselves. In cases of harassment, it's often idiots who were raised to see harassing a woman in revealing clothes a normal thing.

[fallow shard]

[slender coral]

This attitude is the reason why harassment and even assault sometimes are so common in many countries and under-reported. They put the blame on the victims for "causing temptation in men".

[sharp creek]

only religious man do like that

so its weird that nobody questions those concept

[midnight sinew]

Hii

[grave drum]

Of course they can because of the consequences but it won't stop them from thinking about them in a objectifying way

[grave drum]

They don't deserved to get harassed but if you try to swim sharks expect to be bit

[grave drum]

Because they can get harassed

There's no way a women wears tight clothes and dresses with cleavages for themselves

They want the attention

[grave drum]

If you try to swim with sharks expect to get bit

They have a lower chance of getting SA for it since they have the chance of defending themselves unlike a frail women 😉

Women won't go out of their way to SA or harass them

Unlike men who are biologically stronger and more sex driven

Wdym

In terms of the likelihood of getting harassed you will have to restrict your freedom for your well being

I'm just giving you the brutal truth about the world

I'm sorry if it offends you 😏

If I would make a system where women don't have to worry about evil men I would make the prison sentence for SA and harassment more severe although I'd be worried if women would abuse this system since they can be pretty evil as well

[shell hemlock]

They can only accept that women should be half naked but can’t accept that some women generally just don’t want to dress provocatively 💀 I used to get picked on for not showing too much skin cuz I ain’t one of those ‘cool kids’ and supposedly they think that not showing skin makes you insecure lol

[slender coral]

Even thinking about such women in objectifying ways is a result of social expectations not an certain outcome for a man. If one looks at a human being in revealing clothes and reduce their entire existence as the thing in revealing clothes, the problem is at the side of the person judging.

[slender coral]

Interestingly, sharks rarely attack people 😅 in contrast to what people often expect.
If people raise their boys to be respectful for women rather than giving excuses to dehumanize some of them, things will be different.

[shell hemlock]

I agree with that

[feral river]

People should have the freedom to dress whatever they want besides what could violate the law

Like in here if you put a freaking black mask on your head you will be charged with disrupting the social order

Or wear a significant dress that is highly political and religious that contradict the ideology of the nation would also might be charged with crime

Half naked was just fine

[near plinth]

you can wear whatever you want, in front of your husband. for the outside world, it is safe to wear safe dresses.

[grave drum]

There is no excuse for what they are doing I'm just giving you perspective of the lustful man and how to avoid their gazes

Even if what they are doing is for attention

[thorny steeple]

I'm so amazing

[earnest garden]

Hey

[shy summit]

The irony of this statement.

[shy summit]

You contradicted yourself in the same statement

[shy summit]

Raise your men to be better? If your kid turns out to be a piece of shit, that’s on you as a parent.

[pseudo flume]

[gloomy frost]

Punishment doesn't stop SA if you already didn't knew, Lust is a powerful cognitive failure, it overrides a person's rationality to point of extremes.

[shy summit]

What kind of lust are you people talking about. Jesus christ. Raise your kids to not objectify women, and to not think they are owed anything.

It’s really that simple

Sure psychopaths exist

[gloomy frost]

I know, it's a failure in controlling yourself, it's not the woman's fault, It's the faulty men.

[vapid lintel]

LGBTV yo

[shy summit]

Brother… actually contribute to the conversation instead of getting stun locked on your inability to get a date on GRINDR

[vapid lintel]

Yo ma man hows it going over there

[pseudo flume]

Always greek statue pfp btw

[gloomy frost]

What's with that white stuff in your pfp?

[vapid lintel]

i like ur cover 🫂

[thorny steeple]

This is really serious matter

[vapid lintel]

its just creativity bro

[thorny steeple]

Theres a campaign currently going on

Everybody repeat after me

ASHURA IS SO AMAZING

[vapid lintel]

but nobody cares 😭

[thorny steeple]

I feel a connection towards you||r wallet||

[tiny apex]

Safe dresses don’t prevent much unless you live under a rock

You can be modest but you can’t say it’s really for protections because it doesn’t do that really

[gloomy frost]

Aladdin about your bio...
Young men will cause cannibalism in desperate times.
Same goes with SA when a person is constantly isolated, no actually connection to anyone.
Depression and no self regulating structure, it's not a stretch to say it's not surprising that they do that.
Although it explains behaviour not justify it.

[shell hemlock]

if people can choose to be naked why can't they choose to cover up

[pseudo flume]

Thanks dawg, it's Parnassus by Henryk Siemiradzki

[shell hemlock]

i witnessed a mini protest today

which is crazy because we live in cambodia and there's rarely ever any protests going on

[tiny apex]

Desperate times cause sa? You could say mental illness or previous abuse

[gloomy frost]

Desperate people*

[frozen cape]

i like how whenever i point this out people get defensive regarding their parents, yeah no shit your mum didn't smack you hard enough when you were being a disrespectful little shit

[cerulean pivot]

He's indian
That's a cultural thing

[near plinth]

maybe

[gloomy frost]

[shell hemlock]

have you guys ever eaten rice with chopsticks
or i'm just too asian

[tiny apex]

[cerulean pivot]

Never

I eat it with ma hands sometimes

[shell hemlock]

get yo chopstick skills up

i ate cake with my chopsticks lol

[cerulean pivot]

I don't even have one of these tbh

[vapid lintel]

y'all are slaves to your own ideas of what REALITY SHOULD BE

But the thing is NOBODY CARES about anyones version of REALITY however what we all do care about is FREEDOM

Freedom gives you choice, either you cover up from head to toe or from toe to five inches above the head, if it's by choice it's acceptable and if you want to wear bikini for work, if it's your choice and YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, good for ya :))))

[tiny apex]

Does that never feel messy I like eating rice with just a spoon

[urban swift]

Do you know who resorts to personal insults in a debate/discussion

[shell hemlock]

i don't have a single wok in my house

[cerulean pivot]

No
I can control the process

[pseudo flume]

Yes that's why they should be "socialized" in a way that SA is unthinkable

[shell hemlock]

bikini for work ? probably if you're a street walker or something

[urban swift]

Oh don't worry ik how good it's being an islamic person

[tiny apex]

Who even is this

[cerulean pivot]

What kind of work is this buddy
U must be an expert

[cerulean pivot]

Dude what 😭

[gloomy frost]

There's always a breaking point, One's That's triggered, it will cause a outbreak, Rather than social conditioning, they should internally think by themselves that SA is simply not worth it, and have their own internal structure, so it doesn't feel shallow.

[tiny apex]

Why is everybody a self proclaimed Islamic scholar

[shell hemlock]

don't even know who this man is

[vapid lintel]

showed you two extremes, smart/sane people get what the middle ground is and that should be REALITY ig 😉

[shell hemlock]

there's an lgbtq+ moderator who is a muslim, kinda crazy

and she is a lady feminism sister twister

[gloomy frost]

holy shit, Who's this guy?

[cerulean pivot]

😉

[cerulean pivot]

Who's this creature

[shell hemlock]

she is my sister who goes by the name evaa

[gloomy frost]

Eva isn't from that community, she simply supports it.

There's a difference between them.

[tiny apex]

Is your pfp from the prince of Egypt

[vapid lintel]

im an individual with common sense, being called an expert is an insult because EXPATS have lost their minds

[shell hemlock]

she told me that

[cerulean pivot]

Biologically or metaphorically

[gloomy frost]

No, it's from reverend insanity.

[shell hemlock]

islamically

[cerulean pivot]

Ohh mashallah

[gloomy frost]

If you say so.

[shell hemlock]

i can start praying again on monday mashaAllah

https://tenor.com/view/afia-oil-afia-oil-ad-arabic-gif-18221581166315512348

[vapid lintel]

F R E E D O M is all that matters

[shy summit]

PSA: please don’t hit your kids

[gloomy frost]

No.

[crystal kayak]

I ain't entertaining dumb people.If you are dumb I am going to tell you

[thorny steeple]

What is freedom without resource and people just live in dog pile

children starve to death

Mostly loosing their parents

With no hope in their eyes

[frozen cape]

only other people's annoying little shits?

[shy summit]

PSA: Please don’t hit kids.

[crystal kayak]

I don't know where this mindset of showing more skin=secure came from but I hope people go back to their sense and understand that not all of us are the same or want to show of our bodies

[frozen cape]

PSA: Discipline your kids otherwise strangers will do it for you and you might not like how they do it.

[cerulean pivot]

This video is important to me

[shy summit]

PSA: Please do not hit children or assault anyone.

[crystal kayak]

The world has gone soft

[shell hemlock]

this song is important to me

[thorny steeple]

How soft

Can I make cotton candies with it

[vapid lintel]

bro freedom gives you the ability to NOT live in a dog pile
NOT let children starve to death
NOT loose parents
NOT lose hope

Freedom = CHOICE
Freedom doesn't mean no options lmao

[thorny steeple]

Choice with resources

Yes

But without them you are nothing

[vapid lintel]

Bro can you educate me what each word stands for LGBTVQIABC etc

[thorny steeple]

It stands for you google search if you have some fingers

Woah I'm missing a lot of words, gotta do a self physical examination

[vapid lintel]

People who have created anything of VALUE did that BY CHOICE, innovations/inventions can't be FORCED.

Yes slaves can be forced to do repetitive industrial work (if that's your idea of resource and freedom) BUT never ever anybody can be forced for innovation.

ONLY FREE PEOPLE CAN DO THAT (and it's only possible when you have freedom to choose what you wanna do with your time and life)

:)))))))))))))))))))))

[thorny steeple]

I'm free to eat bread but there is no oven. Oven trade is not under my control. I starve

[vapid lintel]

You don't need oven to eat bread, you should shove it in your mouth lmao

[thorny steeple]

Just like how you shove people in your mouth? I'm civilized

Today is such a bad day

[vapid lintel]

i am more interested in ancap so voting is bad example for me AND you are correct they show you three fingers to choose from but behind all (no matter what you choose) there's one middle finger (deep state lmao)

[thorny steeple]

Even if I demonstate to you not to drink packed ors you will still drink it

The problem with you is I'm all up to give you education under IEC method

Information education and communication

But you actual attitude will not change

So it's not even worth it

[cursive bobcat]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[vapid lintel]

Anarcho capitalism

[thorny steeple]

So informative

[vapid lintel]

oky you are free now

btw, how old are you

[thorny steeple]

[fresh flower]

I do that

Not even joking, the parents of the kids in my neighbourhood have outsourced punishment to me

[vapid lintel]

The analogy you provided was partially correct but i saw some gaps in your understanding that's why @real lily

[fresh flower]

It's teenagers in Western countries with 2 working parents who roleplay as anarchists

[thorny steeple]

Free for what? When I will only encounter people like you.

[vapid lintel]

lol i know BUT education is free at any age so yeah if you want you can learn whenever and whatever you want

[thorny steeple]

What's your age young man

[vapid lintel]

21

[thorny steeple]

I would like to talk to your teachers what they are teaching you

[thorny steeple]

You are past amends

Only down fall

Hair fall

And harmone fall

[high raven]

21 is young, you're still a baby

[vapid lintel]

you shouldn't because they are smart af and that's why i know whatever i know @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

If I knew least of logic I won't mention my respectable teachers atleast.

Unless they where youtubers

Or OF models

[manic juniper]

They will grow out of it eventually

[vapid lintel]

if 21 is baby then 40s will be start of my puberty lmao

[thorny steeple]

Hi sonic hedghog

[vapid lintel]

me?

[high raven]

I meant the "down fall" part, your life has barely even begun at the age of 21

[thorny steeple]

True indeed

[high raven]

There are decades of paying taxes ahead of you

[thorny steeple]

Thee not consider cognative function absence a down fall?

Bye bye

[gloomy frost]

Emotions are a variable while considering my actions, If I feel empathy towards someone I will act kindly that itself I gain emotionally relief.
My autonomy is non-negotiable.
I choose kindness and commitment not because I owe the world,
but because some bonds are worth becoming partially non-optional.
I enter those bonds consciously, not by moral default.

[vapid lintel]

how old are you, how much of your life you have paid in taxes....

[high raven]

If that happens at the age of 21 there's something far worse going on for you than aging

[thorny steeple]

Can you please tell me why do I feel that every comment you make is while twerking?

[vapid lintel]

age is just a number buddy....
30s are new twenties and 40s are the start of 30s lmao

[high raven]

Thee not consider cognative function absence a down fall?

This is probably why

[thorny steeple]

Very nice sign of twerking with conative function absence

Oh my

[fresh flower]

Bros singlehandedly keeping the stereotype of Indians alive

[thorny steeple]

Can't a man enjoy a bit

[gloomy frost]

Seeing how my motivations work doesn’t stop me from enjoying them.
I just don’t romanticize them.
Awareness doesn’t make life a chore unless you force it to.
I am simply aware why I do what I do, Why I believe what I believe, I am not idealizing not understanding yourself as intensity.

[thorny steeple]

Your hand is very big

Apparently

[fresh flower]

What

[thorny steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263460335080308829/1273339789004898334/CM_menhera_roll.GIF

This is such a cute gif

[vapid lintel]

if he's 30+ im probably wasting my time here because I Have Seen that as people get older they become sheeps part of the herd while simultaneously losing their actual real self

[fresh flower]

Ashura is probably 14

Be careful who you take advice from

[thorny steeple]

Woah

Just because I'm goofy people assume I'm not a responsible adult

So sad

I believe change is a real need of hour. In my context there is no real goal of a person but we try to write our destiny for ourselves and the purpose is what we define for ourselves to keep thriving forward.

[vapid lintel]

honestly it doesn't make any SENSE you don't even know what you said

[thorny steeple]

I myself believe that only that person is powerful who can give hope to others for the hope is start of an action and an action the start of a revolution. If someone is able to pull out other person from depths of despair. If someone can light a glitter of living life in a mother, a child and anyone else who has lost it in the path of their life. A person like that would be someone I would consider powerful, impactful.

[vapid lintel]

ummmm not bad

[gloomy frost]

By awareness I mean understanding my motives, not monitoring myself in the moment.
I still experience things directly, I just don’t pretend they’re mysterious.

[vapid lintel]

nobody cares go to sleep

[gloomy frost]

Simply put, I am not obligated to help anyone and care about my own interest first, while not necessarily harming when unnecessary.

[thorny steeple]

Changings peoples beliefs is the hardest task for another person and I consider someone kind if they keep on trying to change the wrong beliefs with good one, change the beliefs on the social evils and change the beliefs on how life should be lived.

[vapid lintel]

You are a nobody so nobody cares

[thorny steeple]

I don't have to care for I'm don't have to be nice, honestly is build on truth and truth can destroy me on my path to be kind towards others.

Those my friends are my views

[shell hemlock]

i lowkey accepted that i should act like stupid now bc in the next 10 years people won't excuse my dumb behavior anymore

[gloomy frost]

I think I am somebody.
That's enough.

[shell hemlock]

they will be like "at your grown age you should know better"

[fresh flower]

Does "anyone" include family and friends?

[thorny steeple]

And that's why I think I'm a responsible adult

Unless proven otherwise

[fresh flower]

You gotta do some things early though

Like drivers license, education etc

If you're 30 without a drivers license you're fucked

[shell hemlock]

i would do all sorts of stupid stuff at my age rn except for tattoos i'm not gonna do that one

[vapid lintel]

well i like ur views but nobody cares

[gloomy frost]

I am still not obligated to help, That includes family, I will help Because it aligns with my will.

[thorny steeple]

Does someone caring change me or my views?

[shell hemlock]

when i was 16 it was a phase i got drunk a lot n became alcoholic then dyed my hair and was doing all this sorts of stupid stuff 💀 if u ask me if i could go back to 16 yeah i would

[fresh flower]

That's insane unless you live alone

[shell hemlock]

but only bc at that age people would excuse my behavior saying "oh she's only 16 so she doesn't know any better"

[fresh flower]

If you live under your parents roof and don't feel obligated to help them it's weird imo

[shell hemlock]

if i did that now people would tell me "why would you do that at your grown age"

[dense wigeon]

It's sad

[vapid lintel]

but it was your parents will that they decided to have you in the first place, no? OR you somehow also influenced that with some karmic forces and your will lol

[thorny steeple]

One does not change for care of other but because of needs and their own values

[fresh flower]

Idk if its sad but it's weird to me even though I live with a culture where you're not obligated to always be there for your parents

[thorny steeple]

That's why to change someone you actually start by working on their needs

[static rivet]

What is "hope"? It looks more like a religious delusion/cult

[thorny steeple]

This is a proven fact

[fringe temple]

crazy how I see you in serious chat of all places lol. hru doing mate

[static rivet]

I don't need anyone, I'm developing myself quite well

[gloomy frost]

I don’t believe obligation is automatic, even in families.
I help my parents because I value them and want to, not because I think I’m morally owned.
Living under their roof creates practical expectations, not philosophical one's.
I understand that not helping will have consequences but that doesn't mean they own me.

[thorny steeple]

Hope is a feeling that tomorrow can be good, hope is a feeling of understanding that there is worth to things explainable or unxeplainaple such that a person tries to not just exist but look forward to exist.

[dense wigeon]

I mean imagine raising your son for 18 years providing him with home(im not gonna talk about other expenses) just for him to say "im not obliged to help anyone" when you ask him for help😭

[dense wigeon]

Doing good hbu khan

[fringe temple]

i'm doing alr. what u upto

[static rivet]

It seems to me that your logic implies that the legislation of almost all countries is unhealthy

[vapid lintel]

it is

[static rivet]

Because almost all gives a description of duties and rights in the relationship between people

[fresh flower]

This is lowkey the norm here

You're supposed to move out between 18-24

Any more than that and you're a leech

[thorny steeple]

Man has more than just environment and healthy relationship is a small part of society which a man interacts with. To say that one should only induldge in healthy relationship cannot be applied to man as a whole since their are things which they do as a part of their social environment. You can be right individually because culture makes a big part of the society and cannot be ignored for health is not just mearly absence of disease but complete well being of physical, mental and social state of a person.

[gloomy frost]

I never proclaimed I have divinity, and I had previously stated that I consider emotions as a variable not weakness, I thought that was obvious, I do consider feelings in actions.
And I don't consider it a crazy achievement, everyone should have it.
But here's what you get wrong, Humans are not just carrot followers, If not then addiction would never be controlled.
And I never said I zoom out of the moment. I already choose what I want to do.

[vapid lintel]

Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy
Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy
Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy
Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy
Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy

[gloomy frost]

I don't keep track of that.

[dense wigeon]

pooping

[vapid lintel]

Nobodies arguing with each other.

There will be havenots and have YACHTS

and nobodies will be in havenots

[gloomy frost]

I never said I won't help them, And they chose to born me, I didn't.

[dense wigeon]

lmao

[thorny steeple]

I see

Nysaz I can smell you through screen go bath

[gloomy frost]

Just because they born me it doesn't mean they have authority on my sense of self.
I am not just their kid, I am my own very person.

I never claimed I am not normal functioning human being 😭

[thorny steeple]

Do you know what causes body odour?

It's never the sweat it's microbiota which is unique to humans beings

Some foods too can cause particular type of body odours including many medication. Some can even change the colour of your sweat

[vapid lintel]

They didn't born you
THEY GAVE YOU BIRTH

[thorny steeple]

In essence you should stop and I want you to take your care rather talking to discordians

[vapid lintel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/psfPAjHApZ8?si=8Sf7Tl-gTl8mI9x5

[gloomy frost]

The gist of this whole thing is, I choose how to act what to act and why to act.
Not because someone deserved to be saved. I won't save someone because I am supposed to.

[shy summit]

What kind of fucking take is this?

[thorny steeple]

Tommy fuck take I suppose

[vapid lintel]

Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy
Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy
Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy
Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy
Olllllaaaayyyyyy olllllayyyy ollllayyyyy

[shy summit]

Brother I wouldn’t be boosting the words of a sex trafficker

[thorny steeple]

You boost my failing heart

My ejection fraction went from 45 to 60

No worries you sound like a good person bye bye tc

[vapid lintel]

Oky everybody im going, ot was nice talking to you all

[thorny steeple]

Bye bye tommy take your care

[slender coral]

A dumbass

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry5-devil-may-cry-dante-monster-what-gif-25498046

Bebil

[grave drum]

Parenting doesn't change biology

There's plenty of rapists with good childhood

[sturdy condor]

does anyone here know why i cant stream in any voice channel

[wispy sky]

People we need to survive till December 18

[thorny steeple]

What do you know about biology mate

[thorny steeple]

Low level

[sturdy condor]

shii so i gotta talk more to unlock that ?

[grave drum]

If my child is genetically disadvantaged and women don’t find him attractive, what options does he have besides hiring a sex worker or doing bad things to get laid?"

[sturdy condor]

damn

[thorny steeple]

Yes text more

Roast a person or two

[sturdy condor]

its gon take me ages then

[shy summit]

Skill issue

Legit, that’s literally a skill issue

[thorny steeple]

two idiots fighting

[grave drum]

Women judge men by height and looks did you know?

[shy summit]

If Steven Hawking’s crippled ass can pull then so can you

[thorny steeple]

This is why education is important

[shy summit]

Mind you, the bitch pulled twice

[thorny steeple]

I'm baffled

[pseudo flume]

Everyone can find a good match

[sturdy condor]

wait whats going on

[thorny steeple]

Dude don't you see their comments?

Illiterate opinions

[crystal kayak]

Was he rich

[thorny steeple]

Even below some poverty line mindset

[sturdy condor]

wait hold up lemme read

gah damn

[shy summit]

Get smart or get rich or have an attractive personality.

[pseudo flume]

Imagine having em all

Alhamdulillah

[crystal kayak]

And be normal

[thorny steeple]

Imagine not having em all

[shy summit]

If Ricky Berwick can pull, what fucking excuse do you have?

[crystal kayak]

Mashaallah

[thorny steeple]

Why you gotta ruin my rood

[shy summit]

I speak the truth bro

[pseudo flume]

They love vegitables 🥒

[shy summit]

GYAWD DAYUM

[sturdy condor]

i fumbled so bad that she told me that im like her gay brother

[shy summit]

Skill issue

[thorny steeple]

Abortion is treatment of choice for some people. These type of congenital malformations can easily be detected

[sturdy condor]

istg bro my hg turned on me

i never thought shit like that would happen

[thorny steeple]

Her loss homie

[shy summit]

This is why you don’t pretend to be gay to get into the slumber party boys.

[pseudo flume]

I'm pro choice but i don't get why some people wait too long to get abortion, aren't we supposed to take emergency pills after contraceptive failure

[thorny steeple]

Bros before

[pseudo flume]

Poor Sex education probably

[crystal kayak]

I thought that only happens in movies

[sturdy condor]

fr fr she didnt text me still but im sure we gon meet in college soon cause shes my project partner ( shits gonna be awkward as hell )

[shy summit]

[crystal kayak]

If you pretend to be gay you are gay

[crystal kayak]

So it happens irl

[sturdy condor]

dawg i aint acting gay or shi

[thorny steeple]

Really good question. Some people actually want to concieve and since such genetic anomaly can be there any given population and even more in higher risk population that incidence of such things is there. Not to mention some people don't get proper healthcare or can't afford it and sometimes it's really late to do abortion so we might have to wait. I will give you an example.

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[pseudo flume]

Being gay isn't the top 5 gayest thing in the world

Nowadays

[random crescent]

And I thought shakespeare was dead

[shy summit]

I got one

https://www.irishstar.com/news/politics/donald-trump-furry-florida-resort-36553671

It didn’t embed

Hood on

[sturdy condor]

trust gng , ion have to act gay to get into shi , i got my hg's for that

[shy summit]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/trumps-sexy-mar-a-lago-dog-party-blows-colberts-mind/

[pseudo flume]

Shabbat sholom

[thorny steeple]

A mother came to opd at 12weeks of gestation with impaired lab reports. The doctor went for amniocentesis and we got results still late. With increasing age and other indication there was risk to both mother and child if abortion was done right now. So it was planned to have a delivery at 37 th week of gestation with induction of labor.

[shy summit]

MAGA Furry party.

[thorny steeple]

On the other hand sometimes social and legal constraints maybe deny a mother to seek an abortion

[pseudo flume]

You can get free protection and emergency pills from nearby RCH center

[thorny steeple]

In places like india where amniocentesis a method to extract the bag water is not allowed unless approved by court of the law cannot be done no matter what the case. This is because of high female infanticide cases in such developing countries.

[pseudo flume]

Clanker

[thorny steeple]

there can contraception fail too where a person using condom or natural abstinence method couldn't get the desired results

[pseudo flume]

amniocentesis can be really helpful to determine the health of dolphin fetus

It can also predict syndrome n shi

[thorny steeple]

Yes

one of the most accurate methods though not 100% accurate.

[pseudo flume]

Just take some amniotic fluid (collect it from the pouch in which baby is chillin)

[thorny steeple]

We don't go straight for amniotic fluid

[pseudo flume]

For those cases we've emergency pills (unwanted 72)

[thorny steeple]

We do double, triple and even quadruple marker test which is basically an hormone test to check it.

Then we do ultrasound

If indicated then we do either Choriovillicentesis or amniocentesis.

[thorny steeple]

Some people believe in themesleves

[pseudo flume]

They're stupid

[thorny steeple]

Contrception can help with prevention of unwanted pregnancy but not the various syndromes which a fetus might have

[pseudo flume]

Anyway

Gtg, it's sleep time

[thorny steeple]

Go

[pseudo flume]

Adios

[thorny steeple]

Gn*

Hug him tight

[crystal kayak]

List the 5 things

[thorny steeple]

Kissing homies

Kissing your father while being an adult

Kissing your male teachers

Slapping your dogs ass

[crystal kayak]

Your messed up

[crystal kayak]

Wtf

[thorny steeple]

Am I wrong?

I stand uncorrected

[crystal kayak]

So if you kiss your dad on the forehead doesn't that mean you are gay

[thorny steeple]

Ask yourself the same question

While looks dead serious in a mirror

[crystal kayak]

Were you molested

[woven quail]

Zazuuuuu is hereee

[thorny steeple]

Nah

Thankfully

[manic juniper]

He forgot Iceland

Dumb orangoid

[woven quail]

I hear that trump won’t attack Iran 💔

[fresh flower]

What is he even putting 10% on Finland for?

Salmiakki?

What do yall produce

[manic juniper]

Generic high precision machinery same as the Netherlands, I think more for research and biomedicine

[thorny steeple]

Interest into greenland is to ruin the polar iceCaps and get rid of the resources.

There

Where is Greta now!?

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/justinbieber-whereareyounow-song-sing-belieber-gif-4856774

[crystal kayak]

Lavvv

[woven quail]

Hru zazuuuuuu

[main zephyr]

Hi Olly

[fresh flower]

I had no idea yall rolled like that

[fresh flower]

Bro STOP harassing me

[crystal kayak]

Alhamdulilah, 2026 is going great trump wants to steal Greenland🥳🥳.How about you

[main zephyr]

I'm not harassing you

[crystal kayak]

He already showed me the DMS you sent him

[woven quail]

Goooo trumppp if he doesn’t steal it someone else will

[main zephyr]

What DMS

[crystal kayak]

The feet pics

[fresh flower]

I don't want to know about dinosaurs

[main zephyr]

??? That's not me

[main zephyr]

What about Aglais io

[crystal kayak]

Imagine he steals Greenland,the whole of Europe needs to pack up

Hopefully if they do decide to fight each other, their do it on their land and not drag other countries in

[fresh flower]

Who

[woven quail]

Unfortunately they will do the fight in the Middle East

[shadow tree]

I'm serious in this chat

[woven quail]

Everyone are

[shadow tree]

I was kidding

[slender coral]

Were western colonialists exceptionally evil? I was talking about this with western feminists and they were trying to convince me that yes it was. and that it was worst than the holocaust. I said this:
"what I was trying to say,[...], is not "slavery/colonialism wasn't that bad", it's that people in those times viewed morality in a different way than the progressive views we have about it today. Military victories were very often used as justification for exploitation and claims of racial/religious superiority, women were put in rigid gender roles and we only have exceptions of them breaking, and of course slavery was widely normalized.
Colonialism caused much damage for sure, but what Nazis did in a relatively brief period of time seems to be more violent than what colonialists did typically that it was shocking even for people in western societies that were tolerant of racism. Colonialists were exploitative mainly, but Nazis were just killers. Their killings of Jews, Roma people, Slavs, the disabled, the homosexuals, and anyone they deemed inferior had no practical aspect to it, it often was just pure pointless destruction."

That's what I think at this point at least @pseudo flume @manic juniper @turbid dome @dry wigeon

[shell hemlock]

LMAO so funni

[turbid dome]

I disagree, I think Nazism was just colonialism turned inwards. While people were busy doing colonialism in Africa and the Americas and all that, they made sure specifically to do it to the “other”. Before Hitler, Europeans didn’t colonize Europe, because they understood that they wouldn’t want it to happen to them, so they knew it was wrong and justified it anyways. It’s sort of like Americans justifying for the millionth time that they’re about to “spread freedom and democracy” somewhere else. The vast majority of people can understand it’s wrong but there’s a material self interest in it. Our modern morality believes slaughtering people is wrong, but America does it anyways.

What was different about Hitler was that he applied colonial practices to Europe. He drew parallels to American genocides of natives with what he wanted to do and eventually did do to Eastern Europe. It was a radicalized European version of the Namibian genocide, which itself was an escalation of the American model, which was an escalation of the British model.

The Holocaust wasn’t even the most deadly event by any means, but in terms of colonial violence I often think of the estimate that the population of India would’ve been like 100 million larger if not for British colonialism, both through direct and structural violence, or that there was 10 million killed in the Congo (probably half the population of the Congo and 8% of all Africa).

[turbid dome]

I also think the main reason the west got to this point is because of geography. Empires like Russia and the ottomans had poor naval access (the ottomans in order to settle overseas would have had to go through the strait of Gibraltar, controlled by Spain and unlikely to let the ottomans build an empire. The Russians had the same naval access issue, so they were mostly limited to Alaska and the east.)

[slender coral]

Doesn't the escalation point prove what I'm trying to say though? That Nazism was just on a different level of savagery compared to typical western colonialism?
Was it really only a matter of who is it being applied to? Because I don't think colonialists went to regions and just started grouping up people just to kill them like what Nazis did to people.

[turbid dome]

What 😭

[slender coral]

Were each as destructive as the other?

[fallow shard]

Teach men to behave so women wouldn't need to be scared, it's literally that simple

[manic juniper]

I doubt it was specially bad compared to what went on elsewhere or in ancient times especially, it's only worse because some of these still have consequences to the current day

[turbid dome]

I mean, in some ways it was, and it was certainly inevitable it would come home. I don’t include it as separate from western colonial though, I think it’s just another variation. It’s a particularly bad variation, but in terms of destructiveness it was much less destructive than other colonialisms. All the colonialism in Africa and Asia has completely destroyed both continents, with terrible post colonial conflict and continued western intervention to preserve material interests.

Compare that to Europe which is mostly rebuilt (though Eastern Europe is still economically behind the west). Roma still face systemic poverty, but it’s incomparable to Africa, Asia, and even Latin America.

In this way, Nazism is much less appealing to neighboring European countries than overseas colonialism, because they don’t want to be colonized. It ensures a resistance that leads to the inevitable collapse of the ideology. It’s a suicide cult.

And I do think it was a matter of who it was being applied to. I mean, it’s hard to imagine Britain as an example doing what the did to the natives in North America to Europeans. If for some reason they did colonize Europe, they would likely have something analogous to Nazi germany’s “germanization” policy, where they would allow people who could pass as British (pretty much most of Europe) to adopt British culture and names and pretty much do ethnocide.