🧠｜serious-chat

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah it runs with Nintendo devices as well ( full support)
Magnetic sticks and buttons
Such a great controller for it's price tbh

[turbid dome]

btw when will you stream the final bit of rattachism and clanker

[manic juniper]

We are at ⅓ still

Aladdin is sleeping so idk if I should stream

Should I

[turbid dome]

didn't miss anything since yesterday?

[manic juniper]

I didn't play again after yesterday

[turbid dome]

I mean I'd like to see it but I guess I'll be nice and say wait for him

[turbid dome]

oh ok

[manic juniper]

I could play it twice just so I could get the achievements done

[turbid dome]

up to you ig

[manic juniper]

This game's achievements are insane

[manic juniper]

I'll play it now so I have more time to progress off screen

[turbid dome]

what's the worst

[turbid dome]

alright

[prisma cipher]

I wonder how is Mario Maker running, is it switch version or wii u?

[manic juniper]

It's big spoiler but has to do with the final boss

Hit him with ONE weapon for five times in a row without being hit I think, unsure

[turbid dome]

oh ok

[turbid dome]

I mean you hardly got hit exccept that one level

[manic juniper]

But it's a weapon that can't be used to deal damage to the final boss if you are mentally sane, it doesn't use normal ammo

[cerulean pivot]

That's a modded version of the first one
Runs on android and windows i guess
It even have its own online servers

[manic juniper]

I'm getting hit because of the damn achievements

I'm not using the best weapon for every situation

[turbid dome]

oh

rip

[manic juniper]

It's funny because at least I discovered new things

[turbid dome]

like what

that you abuse fish

[manic juniper]

I didn't know that using the Taunter on Umbris has a huge risk of random mines coming from everywhere

[prisma cipher]

Probably your device can run Zelda too breath of the wild. You need dolphin emulator

[manic juniper]

I used it at the beginning of the planet and I saw four mines coming from nowhere

Fucking stupid and unexpected

[manic juniper]

Ryunjinx or Cemu

[turbid dome]

oh, yeah that was funny to watch the first time

[manic juniper]

Dolphin is for Wii and GameCube

[cerulean pivot]

I know it will
But the performance is mehhh
I'd rather try it when i got a pc ( i already had one and played many switch titles)

[shell hemlock]

you guys talking about minecraft
oh
nvm

[fresh flower]

You can be skeptical about religion, nothing stops you, except some religious extremists. Yall said that religion doesn't allow thinking though, those are two entirely different claims which you're now following up with examples of what extremists people did after having misconstrued their own texts for their own benefit

[manic juniper]

There is yuzu as well but it's illegal software now

[shell hemlock]

i miss playing minecraft

[fresh flower]

It's okay at least it's not insults or "troll", you're now the smartest among the atheists here

[manic juniper]

Anyway who wants the last release of yuzu

[prisma cipher]

I mean they make Zelda for Wii U too. But I forgot if dolphin work with Wii U.

[manic juniper]

Wii U has Cemu

[prisma cipher]

Are you try switch version or Wii U?

[manic juniper]

Switch has yuzu (illegal) and Ryunjinx

[cerulean pivot]

Lowkey reminded me of ts

[cerulean pivot]

Both

[manic juniper]

Defeating the big mines with small mines was borderline retreated

[prisma cipher]

Yuzu still installed on my laptop, since it was legal and I can update it

[manic juniper]

They killed off the servers tho you can't update it again

[turbid dome]

it was funny though. Mine on Mine violence

[cerulean pivot]

Eden is far better
It's a yuzu fork

[lean hedge]

Hi guys what r u talking abt

[manic juniper]

I updated until the last day

[shell hemlock]

actually me in a nutshell cuz i never know what the hell yall are talking about

[cerulean pivot]

They updated the shit out of it

[manic juniper]

I'm gonna start soon

[turbid dome]

ok

[manic juniper]

Ain't no way they came up with even worse achievements for the next games

Let's cross fingers

[shell hemlock]

speaking of which

elden ring be so expensive who wanna fund me twin

it's one of the games i've wanted to play for a looong time but i never actually have the heart to spend like $40 on a game (i am a thief i pirate games or play on somebody else's device)

[prisma cipher]

Elden ring is masterpiece

[shell hemlock]

i wanna play the new ghost of yotei game that came out

another game that i wanna get and probably will

ultrakill

it's giving doom eternal which i like

[prisma cipher]

My games at the moment, I don't keep game that I beat tho

[shell hemlock]

no man's sky

[prisma cipher]

Chill I download it and don't even understand how to play!

[shell hemlock]

get this game twin

[prisma cipher]

Did you play atomic heart?

[shell hemlock]

nos

[cerulean pivot]

Cool list i see
Gotta try Nine souls I heard tons of positive reviews about it

[prisma cipher]

Go play, it have super cool USSR vibes

[cerulean pivot]

Since you have a pc ....

Just crack it

Noone will notice

[full cosmos]

What is considered serious

[prisma cipher]

It like sekiro game, to hard for my and I beat sekiro. Those pairing fight is too hard for me.

[cerulean pivot]

I've beaten sekiro too btw

[full cosmos]

Also, what is considered advanced a 13 yo english not even native🙏😭

[shell hemlock]

it's just one of those cool games that would be cool to get myself

[cerulean pivot]

Fr fr

[shell hemlock]

the first time i got doom eternal i felt like life was just great (i got it on halloween sale)

[cerulean pivot]

I bought it
Got the platinum trophy and sold it as used

[cerulean pivot]

Finished it 9 times

[shell hemlock]

epic

[full cosmos]

Have a good night i guess then🙏

[prisma cipher]

Than you understand problem, it pairing based fight system. At least I have problem with pairing.

[cerulean pivot]

Delete discord

[full cosmos]

F no

[cerulean pivot]

Aha parrying
Yeah yeah got it

[full cosmos]

I need it for Fortnite ahh kid

[prisma cipher]

Lol I spell it wrong

@manic juniper forgot to tell my China console even have little game store for old games, big mistake I think, because I bet Nintendo soon will notice them.

[prisma cipher]

I mean you can download games online.

And it have wiliwili @shell hemlock

I watch some videos there, it was fun

[manic juniper]

I don't know if Nintendo can do much in Russia or China

[chilly bolt]

MERRY CHRISTMAS

[latent steppe]

yooo heyy

@fresh flower check ts out

[fresh flower]

Rock paper scissors bro

[latent steppe]

nah we can share twin

[fresh flower]

Gottsunda 💀

[cyan notch]

your profile reminded me to put alarms on

thanks legend

[tranquil shoal]

Well... I'm going to participate in an exhibition organized by my college, but... I saw the flyer they made and my name wasn't on it. I thought they would put it there since I had paid for it and... anyway, I hadn't put my name on the list before because... I was going to back out... but that's it, I'm dying of embarrassment about it, I can't even go to the college to leave my art there or anything like that... I'm also very embarrassed because my family wants to go see the event and then they'll see the damn flyer and my name will be the only one not there as an exhibitor

[swift crest]

Contact those admin ppl

Let them know
They'll prolly be glad to help

[tranquil shoal]

They already printed everything..

The exposition is next week

[swift crest]

It's alr
Make sure to tell them they were mistaken, and that it's alr if they didn't keep your name.

Tell the same thing to your family
Go there anyways

It's their fault not yours.

[tranquil shoal]

Ah..well..anyway..it will be embarrassing..i asked em for help and they just told me thst at least i will have a name tag..(maybe is my fault cause i just send the informations abt my art few days later)

[royal spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-bowl-hungry-gif-5337018160645280311

[gloomy frost]

why would you call me maniac though?

[shell hemlock]

girl you paid for that damn exhibition to put your art on it, leave that embarrassment aside and talk to the school

[tranquil shoal]

I..talked with em..they just said "ah u Will have a nametag"

[shell hemlock]

did you ask them any more questions

[opal cipher]

can anyone tell me how to turn off mentions from this server?

[thorny steeple]

maybe just mute the notifications

[trim veldt]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQMV_XODEKv/

[brittle axle]

Dead

[rain lava]

Very serious

[slender coral]

Let's take the example I gave from the Bible. A fundamentalist could warn a believer who is being skeptical about the faith, using logical, philosophical and scientific critiques, that "Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?".
An extremist could take it a step forward and say that god prefer people to dedicate their time to worshipping him over earthly pursuit of knowledge.

Where do misunderstandings lie? What could be pointed out in these verses or in any other to counter these interpretations?

[slender coral]

Bruh you often trolled people here now you are blaming me because I labelled you that way

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[slender coral]

I'm not intellectually superior to believers bruh. Atheists aren't just smarter because they are atheists, I never claimed nor implied that.
What we are talking about is that popular religions discouraged intellectualism and slowed progress, but religious people are humans at the end of the day they are not dumb because of their ideological biases (everyone has those).
It's like how Muslim musicians developed music in medieval times when many schools of Islam literally prohibit music.
As for obsession, yeah you are stretching the definition to fit me. Someone talking about something on Discord doesn't mean they are obsessed with it, especially when it's not the only topic I discuss here with people, and not the only topic I talk about online even.

And it's not something I talk about irl at all considering how your fellow Muslims in Egypt don't value freedom of speech nor human rights that much.

[high rapids]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOXk3OXp2aHU5YXdtcjA5OHRtcjNueTZvY3Zjd251N2t4Z3k3YjU4OSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/N0CIxcyPLputW/giphy.gif

[uncut tiger]

@manic juniper @turbid dome @formal pilot @slender coral

.

[gloomy frost]

Jesus fucking christ, I have no clue why people think if a being like god existed he would give a fuck about our sins and righteousness.

[swift crest]

Diaz means you?

Or someone else?

[uncut tiger]

Yeah

[swift crest]

Now I'll have to think.
If you didn't mention your name, it would be you.

[magic olive]

[swift crest]

I think you should just stop this poll

[swift crest]

EXACTLY

[uncut tiger]

This is not against tos don't delete it

[magic olive]

Nicely used the WOTD

[swift crest]

@magic olive delete it
And show your authority!!!!
YOU GOT THIS

[uncut tiger]

Thanks to you

[magic olive]

[uncut tiger]

Wait you voted me

[hidden shore]

someone said atheist because they are born and rasied in that environment,no need to argument, so if i born in india,i eat cow poop drink cow pee everyday, no need to argument

which make sense, guys we dont need arguments, let them believe whatever they want

[gloomy frost]

Yeah no, If it was that simple there wouldn't be arguments.

[hidden shore]

yes just due to beliefs and like eat cow poop and cow peep, you are not allowed to criticized people,bc i am believed you are not believed, you are believed,i am not believed

[slender coral]

[plain ruin]

@gloomy frost don't engage, he's basically the chinese version of Yogi

[gloomy frost]

[gloomy frost]

I got more bullshit but he won't reply so meh.

[plain ruin]

haha

[uncut tiger]

Curse be upon y'all and y'all's neighbors

[fallow shard]

Ur welcome

I gave my vote you. You should be happy

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-slayer-nezuko-tanjiro-gif-1729949214785977835

[gloomy frost]

aight bro wrap it up.

[thorny steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611892998954942493/1442503197787951166/WhatsApp_Video_2025-11-24_at_10.30.40_AM.gif

[high rapids]

?

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-cat-rigby-gato-coqueto-rico-gif-4061476440942373994

[high rapids]

?

[feral river]

https://x.com/whitehouse/status/1993128563617276237?s=46

The White House (@WhiteHouse)

President Trump is securing America by confronting the Muslim Brotherhood’s transnational network, which fuels terrorism and destabilization campaigns against U.S. interests and allies in the Middle East.

X · Nov 25, 2025, 1:24 AM

DEFEND THE WEST UNDER TRUMP ADMINISTRATION

[swift crest]

No.

[high rapids]

In his country, EU needs to kick them all out

He should invade Middle east and africa with Isreal

Maybe turkey is going to join them

[turbid ivy]

🙂

[rain lava]

Heres come the nobu

[hearty harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/native-native-america-native-nation-native-america-tribe-native-dance-gif-16911758115213374086

No image perms poo poo

[forest patio]

chat is v serious

[high rapids]

Maybe Pakistan helps to invade and conquer afganistan

[formal pilot]

Mythical Nobe is back

[thorny steeple]

Everything u quoted relies on one narration line. All versions of the 6 and 9 report is just the same report tht Hisham and his father transmitted It’s the same chain repeated in different books, not multiple independent witnesses

And this isn’t a modern argument. Early Muslim scholars, long before any new moral ideas, already pointed out issues with this chain. Imam Malik from the generation right after the students of the companions, questioned Hisham’s reports after he moved to Iraq u can check the text of Al Mudawwana
https://archive.org/details/AlMudawwanaAlKubra04ByFactofislamsms.wordpress.comOfShakilAt00919825036786

Other hadith critics like Abu Hatim al Razi who lived generations before Bukhari also discussed problems with narrations taken from Hisham during that later period
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.431269

These are classical trusted scholars applying hadith science, not modern reinterpretation

On the other hand, the earliest historical sources written before Sahih Bukhari give timelines tht point to Aisha being older Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham mention she was born before the revelation began
https://archive.org/details/SiratIbnHisham

And al Tabari also records reports consistent with an older age
https://archive.org/details/TarikhTabari

So the 9 yr old narrative is not the only early position. Earlier historians and early hadith critics preserved material pointing to an older age and to be fair no historical issue is judged by isolating a single narration while ignoring the rest of the early evidence

ur behaviour reveals more than ur arguments. This kind of response pattern usually comes from someone trying to self justify rather than genuinely address the conversation

u didn’t disagree u just announced u had ntg intelligent to say

[turbid ivy]

Your scholar gave no reason to deny that narration..

Now you quoted ibn Ishaq, history of at tabari and Ibn Hisham whose uses weak narration to compose a history book.. if you use weak narrations, again you fall in the trap ...because if you do that I'm gonna use the same narrations for the most laughable Teachings to point our your religion

[thorny steeple]

u’re confused abt how sources r used. Weak narrations can’t be used for Islamic rulings, but historians like Ibn Ishaq and Tabari use them only for timelines, not for law. I’m using them for historical context, not as religious proof, so ur comparison doesn’t even apply

[humble acorn]

The same islam vs Christianity or aestheist vs muslims debates

[thorny steeple]

Cooked 🤣🔥

[thorny steeple]

He is cooking 🤣 and let him cook

[humble acorn]

And christians will think the other guy is cooking him by leaving him speechless.

Even tho he had given some detailed answers

[thorny steeple]

Who other guy 🤔

[humble acorn]

The one he was debating with

[thorny steeple]

Devil?

[humble acorn]

And zwingli aka nabu or nobu

[thorny steeple]

What does it even mean

[humble acorn]

Aka = also know as
Nau and nobu were his previous names,

Do you get it or not!

[thorny steeple]

Yes I get it!!!!!

[humble acorn]

I see.

[thorny steeple]

Yes true

[turbid ivy]

And how does that timeline prove anything? how do you verify that timeline? Because Ibn Ishaq is not a witness

[turbid ivy]

i see, what's your religion

khyah

[humble acorn]

You know very well

[turbid ivy]

Cool.. what do you think Muhammad marrying a 6 years old child? is this a right example to emulate?

[turbid ivy]

[humble acorn]

It is, if circumstances are like that, if not then quote Muhammad pbuh other wives, he married different women for a reason

[turbid ivy]

im not asking about situtions.. cause i know the sitution.. making excuses of sitution will not help..
Im asking about what do you think about that example which is to marry a child?

[humble acorn]

How could i overlook the situation when clearly one of marrying her was to be an example

For the rest of the ummah

And she wasn't a child

You can't call someone a child when he /she is mentally and physically mature

Will be back.

[turbid ivy]

what do you think .. is marrying and having sex witha child is a good thing or a bad thing?

[turbid ivy]

according to what source she wasnt a child?

[turbid ivy]

Ok cool.. can a 6 years old be physically and mentally matured?

[turbid ivy]

[gloomy frost]

I found something that is so peak, I can counter any religious person now lmao.

[humble acorn]

Depends on the conditions,
If it's a marriage and with consent, then there's no issue, if not then that's rpe, legal contract and consent both mutually differentiate it with rpe.

[turbid ivy]

Do you think a 6 years old child is mentally capable to consent for the marriage and sex? when i say capable im not talking about agreeing to do in persuasion which lacks rationality

[humble acorn]

In Hadiths i don't think she is referred to with the child word, so you can't call her child

[turbid ivy]

what word should we use for a 6 years old?

do you want me to use the word grandma or an auntie for a 6 years old? could you tell me what word is appropriate for a 6 years old

[humble acorn]

At age 6 it was a nikkah not the intimate relation, at 9 yes, she was mature enough.
If you compare her mental capacity with today's generation then you do the wrong, today even 20 year old is seen as a child

[humble acorn]

A girl, why being over reactive

[gloomy frost]

💀 Wtf are you saying? That sexual activity is fine if there's concent, Even if they are a minor?

[humble acorn]

The age span was small and marriage was legal at that age seen as she was already engaged to someone else before getting married to prophet

And with the age span decreasing again and infertility cases soon in future ppl might turn to that era' s traditions, you can't predict the future just like you can't know the past exactly

[gloomy frost]

💀 🙏🏼 just accept he was a pdfile bro, It's not that serious

[humble acorn]

Just accept that you are extremist with your own belief, when the girl herself had no issue, not once did she complain, when islam was kinda new and weak and they had lots of enemies waiting for any reply to mislead ppl, nobody could find a single quote of her

How could 1000 years later a few groups of ppl came and claim that she was wronged cause' according to their sense of so called judgement and morality she was oppressed

It's your own belief not her

Neither she nor her father nor her other relative had any issue with it

It's just a bunch of later ignorant and judgemental ppl

That's all

[gloomy frost]

Bro, She didn't had the mental capacity to actually give consent and second of all, Just because the population was low and people were dying earlier, prophet Didn't had to have an intercourse with a child, he could just not have sex altogether a one more kid wasn't gonna help save the species.

[gloomy frost]

First of all, She could have been suppressed.

And wasn't able to speak.

[gloomy frost]

They're just bunch of inhumane filthy creatures then.

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple man we need u

[humble acorn]

I can quote bunch of hadiths that can prove she wasn't suppressed and her health got better, and she is the most quotes female other than khadija r.a

And you will disagree with this

[gloomy frost]

Quote them.

[humble acorn]

Cause you already have made up your mind

[thorny steeple]

Zehdso was saying tht u can't claim tht she was 9

[gloomy frost]

I didn't, Just quote them and tell me.

[humble acorn]

Sure sure , give me a few seconds

[gloomy frost]

sure.

Nor you can claim she was an adult so idk

[thorny steeple]

Bc there are other stuff which prove indirectly she was not child

U can't ignore these stuff

U have to mention it too

[thorny steeple]

@gloomy frost

He is enough for ppl like u

[humble acorn]

There you go.

[gloomy frost]

Lmao, there are proofs that proves she was minor but you won't listen.

[humble acorn]

There are proofs that the definition of minor was different from this era

[gloomy frost]

Where did you found these proofs?

[humble acorn]

Let me search if i still have those documents.

These are of medieval ages,

[gloomy frost]

Tbh she sounds brainwashed but sure.

[humble acorn]

And we are talking about 1400 years ago

[gloomy frost]

Okay but wasn't she 6?

[humble acorn]

And you sound like someone who is jealous of someone's true and pure love.

[gloomy frost]

Whatever still tell me the website you found this info.

[gloomy frost]

Pure, There doesn't exist something as "pure" but again sure.

[humble acorn]

9 but that too is controversial, from another source she is supposed to be 16 at the time of nikkah and 19 at the time of intimate relation. But that doesn't matter, a person who is fixated on his point won't change even when facts are given to him.

[humble acorn]

There does, rare but it is, just because you haven't seen or found it doesn't mean it's not.

We have seen examples and have role models Infront of us other than aisha r.a

[gloomy frost]

Give me proof that she was not 9.

[humble acorn]

Sureee. Hold on for a few seconds

[gloomy frost]

I am not fixated you are just assuming, I just want undeniable proof and I will just accept it.

[gloomy frost]

Alright bro, what's pure? Don't seach it online, but tell me the defination of pure.

[humble acorn]

Why would i google something basic
Pure is when you approach someone with the intention of marriage not relation in today's pov

It's pure when you grow physically and mentally instead of getting mental diseases

[thorny steeple]

I'll listen show me

[gloomy frost]

Where did you found this?

[gloomy frost]

Go to official quran site.

[thorny steeple]

Are u serious?

[thorny steeple]

Lol quran??

[gloomy frost]

So you found this on wikipedia? And that would mean that wikipedia is correct about everything quran says right?

[humble acorn]

Many approach her for translations and explanations or for solutions, and you think she was someone who was suppressed and assaulted,

[swift crest]

?quran bot

[gloomy frost]

Qur'an if I am correct.

[thorny steeple]

Alright ok which part exactly prove smtg tht u said lol

[humble acorn]

Where do you see Wikipedia that's a google and ai research

[swift crest]

Quality is different from quantity.

[humble acorn]

Elaborate

[gloomy frost]

Ahh, So okay okay, If google and ai says something about Qur'an it must be correct right?

[thorny steeple]

Salute 🫡 to u brother

[thorny steeple]

Yea go on and show me

[humble acorn]

I m a girl -_-

[shell hemlock]

you have to use slash commands for that bot 😔

[swift crest]

Just because many go to her for explanations and translations doesn't mean it's a good example to follow in life.

[thorny steeple]

Ah I'm sorry sister!!!

[swift crest]

Awww
I'll try once
But I dunno any chapter or verse or whatever that's there in the Quran.

[gloomy frost]

I don't have image perms, Go check it yourself on https://quran.com/

[slender coral]

You are dodging the argument now

[humble acorn]

Well apparently they can't do something themselves only if they are given the commands, i asked it to research and quotes, it was what was common, not ai's own pov

[thorny steeple]

Image perms ? Bro what r u talking abt ? U even ever read Qur'an?

[humble acorn]

Then what's the good example,

According to you

[gloomy frost]

@humble acorn let me ask you this would you marry muhammad at the age of 9? When he was 52.

[gloomy frost]

I see, So it's not a trusted source, Why should I believe in something that isn't even a trusted source.

[thorny steeple]

And I'll also ask u who told u ? She is 9?

[slender coral]

Quran never talked about Aisha....

[gloomy frost]

I have, At least 5 pages of it before I got fed up with it's bullshit.

[humble acorn]

If i was aisha and he was muhammad pbuh then yes, but obv i m not so i won't, i know that's what you have in your mind and wanted to hear.

[gloomy frost]

most muslim people.

[gloomy frost]

Fair, Admirable if you are really capable of that.

[slender coral]

Bro, don't talk about something you don't know much about.

[humble acorn]

From which sources you have been seeing that she was oppressed as if you were present there at that time, you literally claiming these with this sureity

[gloomy frost]

Sure

[slender coral]

Ok

[swift crest]

There are plenty of good examples out there, if you wanna discuss those and give your POV of them you're welcome.
And I don't think a 9 year old is capable of making decisions on her own.
Also I think she was mostly forced to marry or sleep with whoever that's there.

[slender coral]

Islam sucks but it wouldn't be beneficial if critics talk about things they aren't well-informed it.

[gloomy frost]

I never said I am claiming them surely, you are just assuming, I am telling you what muslim people have told me.

I never trusted you nor them.

[humble acorn]

Only ex muslims would tell you this, or islamophobs, a real muslim won't say this

[swift crest]

As a real Muslim what do you say about that?

[humble acorn]

Then again that's your pov that a 9 year old can't make a decision just like you can't imagine now a 17 year old to lead thousands of ppl and conquering sindh

[swift crest]

Yes
And I want to know your pov

[thorny steeple]

🙂

[swift crest]

How does leading people in a war relate to this?
You think both are similar to compare?

[humble acorn]

I have no issue with it, if you connect it with me backing forced marriages then that's wrong, if both agrees then who am i to dictate their life, i have seen young girls marrying 60 or more years old for money then why should i oppose a girl marrying a prophet

[humble acorn]

The thing is about mental maturity

And in both cases there is mental maturity even with young or small ages, according to you

[gloomy frost]

Really? Hmm I see.

[gloomy frost]

Talks about basic human Morality and rights do not require to be well informed.

[swift crest]

Ok I agree with you saying if both agree then that should be alright.
If someone gets the benefit of doubt as a Muslim and just goes around assaulting and harassing girls, do you think it's alright?

Are you really sure that she wasn't forced? And exploited?

[gloomy frost]

I see, if kids from a thousand years ago were mentally matured, Are kids from this age that mature?

[swift crest]

Then you should also be open to receive counter arguments and be willing to learn positively from that.

[gloomy frost]

I am capable of doing that, That's why I asked for proof.

[swift crest]

I get it.

I was just making sure we word it properly.

[gloomy frost]

And where did it come from and she said it was from ai and Google but if I search of google it shows she was 9, but google also says she wasn't, That means ai and Google aren't reliable source of info.

And If it isn't reliable it means that proof isn't really proof.

[high rapids]

[swift crest]

Lemme ask her
@humble acorn how old was aisha when she got "married"?

[high rapids]

9

[swift crest]

LMAO

[high rapids]

[gloomy frost]

Proof?

[high rapids]

Proof me that I'm wrong

[swift crest]

Yes, we require the ULTIMATE proof.

[thorny steeple]

If u think history only counts when someone saw it with their own eyes, then u’d hav to throw out every history book ever written

[thorny steeple]

Ah Im not at home

[gloomy frost]

You are the one who made the statement, You are the who's supposed to provide evidence claiming your statements, I can say there's an alien in Mars, And I'd have to prove that.

[thorny steeple]

Read my all msgs first

[gloomy frost]

[swift crest]

I agree with this a lot.
But I think we should argue about history while also knowing that it isn't always true.
We can learn from their life as "characters" rather than defending or supporting them with your life.

@thorny steeple what do you need him for @thorny steeple for
To support if you're wrong? 😭

[humble acorn]

Did prophet assault her, did he ask her directly or is it was her father who asked prophet Muhammad pbuh first for her daughter' marriage with her, none of the hadith shows that it was harassing, so if a muslim harass a girl it's his judgement not prophet Muhammad's fault

[thorny steeple]

This isn’t about defending anyone with my life it’s abt getting the history right. If we’re talking about Aisha’s age, then we stick to evidence, not guesses or character lessons. Treating real figures like fictional characters turns the discussion into imagination, not history

[swift crest]

What are we gonna do with his life rn?
Is he gonna solve every crisis in this world?

What help do you get if you believe in him?
LITERALLY NOTHING

Since when defending his life has become more important than protecting the life around you and being responsible for humanity?

[humble acorn]

A few might be, i haven't seen or interact with many ppl. But that doesn't mean there aren't, and doesn't mean there won't be any in upcoming generations when clearly nuclear bombs and 3rd world war is looming over our heads

[swift crest]

Whatever question I ask
You're gonna dodge it, you have every excuse to make up anything cuz we don't have "solid" proofs of whatever that happened before.
It's just a never ending problem.
@humble acorn @thorny steeple

[high rapids]

SAY IT

[formal pilot]

[swift crest]

You would never know the TRUE history.

[gloomy frost]

yeah unfortunately, still believing in way of living from a thousand years ago to now isn't really a good way of living.

[gloomy frost]

hornet is handling all these people at once.

[humble acorn]

We can do many things, through his teachings which teach us to differentiate between good and bad and to learn and explore the world, but the main purpose is to spread the knowledge,
See it like this, i m not doing it to prove myself right or wrong but because as a muslim we have been given the duty to spread the knowledge we possess, cause' at the day of judgement we will be held questionable for what we did with the knowledge and info. And if you don't believe in god or day of judgement then that leads to whole different path

[swift crest]

Am I ?
I've a bday party to "attend"
I'll leave soon.
Even if I don't have anything to do.
I'll go anyways XD

[high rapids]

This guy commited crimes lol

[humble acorn]

You want me to believe that i was one of those grandchild who were monkeys before and my existence is merely because of never ending indefineable coincidences

[gloomy frost]

So not believing in god means I will suffer?

[humble acorn]

Result of the choice you made.

[gloomy frost]

damn okay bro bai.

[humble acorn]

I m a girl....

[gloomy frost]

I never said I want you to believe in it, I ain't atheist, stop assuming that I am, And believing it's the truth.

[high rapids]

And still you don't carw about other girls/women

[gloomy frost]

Haha sure.

[humble acorn]

Sighhh... You said it even when i quotes many hadiths but was ready to believe in one hadith which you didn't even read yourself. Very nicce

[swift crest]

Okay I get it you wanna learn more.
But one day if you question the "evolved" islamic texts or teachings, are you sure you won't be killed and yk...are you sure nothing bad happens to you.

Are you willing to die because someone "misinterpreted" some ancient texts, and somehow you're held responsible for what happened in the past.

[swift crest]

😂

[swift crest]

There are good philosophical books which you can read to gain knowledge or improve your POV.
Islamic texts and teachings aren't the ONLY option.

[thorny steeple]

If u all want a real discussion, say ur point clearly instead of hiding behind jokes and insults. Most of what’s being said isn’t about history it’s just looking for any excuse to attack Islam. At least be honest about ur intent nd keep a basic level of respect if u expect to be taken seriously

[gloomy frost]

I have something to say but I need some clearance from you.

[humble acorn]

If you think that qur'an verses will change then they won't, i m sure of it, and why would i held accountable for things i didn't do, if by this you mean changing religion or beliefs then yeah about qur'an they won't and will never,

[swift crest]

"maybe" islam has "good" teachings, but I think this is all something which isn't EXCLUSIVE to islam.
It's there everywhere.

[high rapids]

Good teachings😂

[humble acorn]

There are, no doubt but are they the word of god or the word of humans

[swift crest]

I would love to see where you stand among sunni and shia.

[swift crest]

Then WHY ISLAM?
DITCH THAT!

[thorny steeple]

Say it. If u’ve got a point just be direct

[humble acorn]

You would be sad to hear that i m neither shia nor sunni just a muslim who believes in basic teachings of islam

[high rapids]

And then we have also 3rd humans who seek help in europe and comminting crimes anyone wanna guess about there religion?

[thorny steeple]

Nobody said Islam owns goodness the point is that Islam teaches it clearly and consistently If u’ve got a real argument, say it instead of circling around the topic

[swift crest]

Why do you defend it that much? 😭

[slender coral]

Yeah, but here we were talking about facts. Aisha's case was not mentioned in the Quran.
Learn about these stuff before talking about them.

[swift crest]

I seriously dunno where you stand.
I appreciate that you think islam isn't all rainbows and butterflies.
Then why not ditch it?

If you already think islam isn't great. Why are you still following it.

I bet your clan people would HATE you and would be the first to abandon you if you say this to them.

[slender coral]

Yea, you dodged my argument. Pretty ironic since you claimed I was the one dodging arguments.

[humble acorn]

Because among all the scriptures and other religions, all have something fishy to do with god and what he wanted us to do, obv he didn't send us here for no reason

[humble acorn]

Islam is perfect, muslims are not, i won't blame one who made rules but one who don't follow rules

[humble acorn]

Why would i not!

And it's not defending it's answering

[swift crest]

Did you read theravada Buddhism?
Also don't settle for less
If you have the slightest bit of feeling that it's wrong.
Don't follow that, the world is a lot bigger than you think.

[swift crest]

[humble acorn]

Explain the core concept of buddhism in simple lines

[humble acorn]

Jews, americans who are doing the genocide are all muslims, wow even hitler was too

[swift crest]

I can't do it rn
But yeah I don't think you're stupid enough to not know how to dig deeper.

Know it leave it.
As simple as that
I'll have to leave in like 5 min.

[uncut tiger]

women are given special status in islam, theyre definitely not slaves

[high rapids]

If you think so

[swift crest]

Wahhhhh

[high rapids]

[uncut tiger]

terrorism has no nationality and no religion

[uncut tiger]

yes

[humble acorn]

Tsk tsk.. only if you had read the real religion instead of viewing posts of islamophobs

[uncut tiger]

women are cherished, not oppressed

[high rapids]

I know a women in the dc here she lives in Pakistan she says its too dangerous do go outside alone becaus men's would to stuff to her is this the special status?

[uncut tiger]

would you blame the pakistani society for this or would you blame islam

[high rapids]

Both

[uncut tiger]

now its my turn to laugh

[swift crest]

In islam?
Broski
Do u live in islam country?

[uncut tiger]

yes, and I stand by my claim

[high rapids]

[uncut tiger]

women are not objects, they're humans

[high rapids]

Islamophobs?

[humble acorn]

Seee, you talk about the thing you yourself have no idea, and blame me for lacking info, when clearly if i follow islam i have real idea, i can quote the basics in a few lines without thinking much

[swift crest]

I think you're a guy.
I would lose hope in humanity if any girl says islamic countries are "safe"

[swift crest]

Ok bro ok

[high rapids]

@humble acorn you are definding a prophet with 20 womens who was a ... and married them as child and i dont want to know that else he has done to them

[humble acorn]

That's what they proudly call themselves

[uncut tiger]

half of this is false

[high rapids]

12

[humble acorn]

Quote one authentic reference which says the women were 20

[uncut tiger]

everything in this is false

[humble acorn]

And all of them were his legal wives, and most of them asked first for the marriage

[hybrid herald]

Oh this racist Austrain guy

[uncut tiger]

and you can clearly see my mentality, do i look like i treat women as objects

[high rapids]

"Why nobody likes us" "Why so much people hate us in europe" "We have nothing done"

[swift crest]

Wtf you mean legal
It was an ancient era.

[high rapids]

Racist?😂

[hybrid herald]

*Extra racist

[high rapids]

Proof?

[swift crest]

maybe YOU don't
But I didn't think it was because you're a Muslim.
Mb

[thorny steeple]

It is

[humble acorn]

Ask someone who lives in saudia how secure it is for a women to go outside at night only because they follow islamic law which is shariah law, she can't go outside because the ppl there don't have shariah law, the problem is not in islam but in those who don't follow it completely

[hybrid herald]

Figure it out urself
We saw each other here before this
i saw the racist messages
Tired to send

[uncut tiger]

the stuff you see about women oppression are society's fault

not islam

[thorny steeple]

True

[humble acorn]

Whose words you are quoting

[uncut tiger]

and if an islamic society is like this, then they are simply not following true islam

[gloomy frost]

Okay dude.

[uncut tiger]

my city is totally safe

i live in the capital

[high rapids]

Of?

[gloomy frost]

Are you religious and believes in teaching of gods?

[uncut tiger]

you kno

[high rapids]

No

[humble acorn]

At that time to this time by legal, we mean paper contract, as an evidence and alibis and consent from both boy and girl. It's the same for us, then and now

[thorny steeple]

If they were not muslim, the situation and environment was worse than it is right now

[high rapids]

Proof?

[swift crest]

Bye ppl
Gtg

[high rapids]

See you

[humble acorn]

Why america keep bombing them, what he did in iraq and turned syria into a proxy war, used pakistan as a base to attack afghanistan, and you blame the victims not the assaulters

[humble acorn]

You again...

[hybrid herald]

You again, long time no see how's life

[gloomy frost]

[high rapids]

They all supported ISIS
Or let them hide in there countrys

[humble acorn]

Claimed by the attackers, so called americans without concrete evidence

[high rapids]

Bin laden got killed in Syria btw if i remember right

[humble acorn]

And such an islamic terrorist organisation when it is targeting only muslims

[hybrid herald]

Syria tf

[high rapids]

They attacked France, Russia, US, Austria, Germany

[hybrid herald]

At least be accurate

[gloomy frost]

[high rapids]

@humble acorn dont forget the attacks on European Christmas markets too

[thorny steeple]

Look Islam isn’t the cause of the problems there It’s the reason things haven’t collapsed even further. Without the religion, the environment would be far more unsafe

[hybrid herald]

Saving ts

[humble acorn]

Yeah, long time
Going good, how about you!! How's your school going!

[high rapids]

Commited from your relgion against innocents

[gloomy frost]

how da f do I see you guys talk only and mostly about attacks and wars, especially things in the past.

[hybrid herald]

Gtk, i am good, school is good exams soon too

[high rapids]

Good luck

[humble acorn]

I m not forgetting it, just like i m not forgetting 9 11 through which america use it as a tool to attack and launch a holocaust afghanistan, they do this, it's their way, do i lil bombs. Blame muslims and from this you got a free access to launch a war on a muslim country

[humble acorn]

Good to hear that,
Wish you the best for exams!!

[hybrid herald]

Thanks

[humble acorn]

You are welcome!!

[gloomy frost]

Sanna I actually have a reasonable and understandable question today, I just need 6-7 clearance before I state my statement, I promise it will be worth it.

[humble acorn]

Forgot to ask, in which country do you live in!

[swift crest]

What's that?

@high raven your online name sounds nice.

[gloomy frost]

Are you capable of answering my questions regarding religion and god?

I need clarification first.

[swift crest]

?

[gloomy frost]

I will tell you, Just see where this is going.

[high rapids]

Guys I have a serious question for the serious chat

[swift crest]

Yes ma'am

[gloomy frost]

Ofc, Now do you believe that God created everything? And he wants nothing except good for the humanity?

[swift crest]

I'm not really serious tho 😭

[turbid ivy]

Aha so it's a right example to marry a 6 years old?
So he had sex with a 9 years old? but what angel does the 9 year old looks mature to you?

[high rapids]

If you are flying to a country that is 16 hours away from your country for three to four weeks, is it better not to take a lot of clothes with you and to shop there, so that you can probably buy more things and take them with you when you leave?

[turbid ivy]

ohh so she is a mere girl? define what a child is?

[humble acorn]

You are late.

The topic has changed, and we discussed it enough today.

[gloomy frost]

Great, We are getting somewhere, now god will do everything in his power for betterment of humanity?

[turbid ivy]

Just be clear with your sources, if you take Ibn Ishaq's , al tabari's and Ibn Hisham's account.. trust me i will bring every quotations from their so called hisotrical books and you might not like it

[shell hemlock]

hello non muslims and muslims alike

[turbid ivy]

I dont let my opponets run away unless i destroy them totally..

Define what a child is?

khyah

[humble acorn]

Cringe.

[gloomy frost]

Hmm... I see, Now I can finally state my statement.

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-kafir-dragon-ball-مرحبا-يا-كافر-kunaiu-gif-16492916782491511036

[turbid ivy]

Define it

[swift crest]

Well
I'd say clothes are also stuff you'd wanna buy when you go to another country.
If it's a country that's so famous for its own culture clothes and all, buy there.
But like you can get most kinds of clothes in major cities everywhere...

Keep some clothes that you like and when you go to that country just play it by ear.

[turbid ivy]

@humble acorn what's the difference between a child and a girl

[gloomy frost]

If god created everything that would also imply that he created evil and sin?

[shell hemlock]

duh

[swift crest]

Hi

[turbid ivy]

it really means what do you mean by evil

[spice bobcat]

No

[gloomy frost]

That means he's not all good.

[swift crest]

Oh

[gloomy frost]

I don't believe in religion nor good or evil, ask an religious person.

So, We created evil?

[shell hemlock]

God gave us the free will to be good or bad, what else u want

[gloomy frost]

Why?

[shell hemlock]

bc it’s free will, unlike angels they don’t have free will

angels are good all the time

[turbid ivy]

I'm a religous person.. you are saying God created evil.. so i assume you have a wrong def. of evil..that's why im asking you to define the term evil

[gloomy frost]

I didn't ask you if angels have free will or not, I asked why give up free will.

[turbid ivy]

She doesnt know a lot, lemme tell you

[shell hemlock]

we all have free will wdym

[gloomy frost]

So, That means god can't create evil/sin in any form or way? Am I correct

[turbid ivy]

[shell hemlock]

no one gave it up, or maybe read your message wrong

[manic juniper]

My redditometre just broke

[shell hemlock]

i think you’re trying to imply that God made evil so He is not the ‘all-good’ right ? or

[swift crest]

Sed

[gloomy frost]

I am not even here to debate, I am here to observe, I don't have opinions, Just want you to introspect.

[turbid ivy]

She is not knowledgeable lemme tell you..
God created beings.. Evil is not a being to be created, it's not a substance.
Evil is the lack of Goodness.. therefore, evil is imperfection or the privation of goodness

[gloomy frost]

Why? I simply asked you, why did he gave us free will.

[turbid ivy]

lemme answer

[gloomy frost]

So evil came from nothing? Because god is everything?

That means we humans are capable of creating something that God can't create.

[turbid ivy]

Evil is not something to come from something
It's the privation of something

[turbid ivy]

we dont create evil..

[gloomy frost]

that means god created evil in some form or shape.

[gloomy frost]

Okay bro you guys should choose a side.

Like it's either he Created or not.

[shell hemlock]

there r many reasons, only with context though and i can explain what i think abt it

[high rapids]

Great! Thanks! 🙂

[turbid ivy]

again, evil is not a substance that is created.. it's not a being to be created.. it's the privation of Goodness

[gloomy frost]

Go-ahead.

[gloomy frost]

So it came from god?

[turbid ivy]

it's not a thing to be created.

[turbid ivy]

what do you mean by it?

you mean evil?

[swift crest]

So god isn't capable of establishing peace in that absence?

[gloomy frost]

If everything came from god, Evil/sin should have also came from him.

[turbid ivy]

Sure he is able to... that's why sent his son to establish peace

[turbid ivy]

Evil is not a thing so it doesn't come under the genus of everything.. It's not a substance as i said before.

[swift crest]

Nothing bad happened in BCE?
If yes, why didn't he send his son earlier?

[shell hemlock]

from an islamic prospective our life is a test from God we can choose to be good or bad, so this is where free will plays a role, we get rewards and punishments from this test called life

[turbid ivy]

btw that Sanna is not a christian she is a muslim + atheists,, lemme answr you clearly..
Note: she is also a hindu and my ex gf

[gloomy frost]

Mate, I didn't ask for a paragraph of explanation, I only wanted a simple answer, are we humans capable of creating something without god?
If so, that means god is not all perfect because he's incapable of creating something, That also implies he's not all powerful and restricted by morals.

[swift crest]

If I was a mod, I'd ban you.

[shell hemlock]

she alrdy answered u 😭

[wind falcon]

Hello there.

[gloomy frost]

Why? Is there a need of test? I never asked for these rewards or punishment.

[shell hemlock]

she said yes

[turbid ivy]

Surely bad things did happen.. even when he send the son, bad things kept happening and does happen everday.. the reason why bad things happen is that because of human beings .. human beings choose to do evil even God provides them the perfect model to follow

[turbid ivy]

and why should i get banned?

[shell hemlock]

imagine a life with no mistakes and no regrets, what will you learn from it

[turbid ivy]

Sure ban me,, when you make me regret me in a vc debate

[swift crest]

@high raven this is smtg he said in case you didn't know.

[swift crest]

Wdym

[wind falcon]

I cannot understand this being.

[gloomy frost]

I did, And from what I found we are capable of creating something that God can't, So it implies he's incapable of all creations and he's restricted by morals and isn't really all powerful.

[swift crest]

Tell him to destroy all of us.
End of the story.

[turbid ivy]

khhah and that's how i responded the way she said about me ..
she called me a hindu pagan, a cos playing clown.. So why not i call her back? But she is not getting ban for it, im getting ban for it right? come to the vc clown i will make regret

[gloomy frost]

Okay bro

[swift crest]

He's such an ass.

[turbid ivy]

[gloomy frost]

lmao

[turbid ivy]

[swift crest]

No thankyou

[spice bobcat]

Bro on his evil arc hating on sanna 💔

[swift crest]

hehewhehhwhehehehhw

[gloomy frost]

I never asked for learning, Stop twisting my words and answer me correctly, Why? Why is there creation?

[spice bobcat]

Downfall

[manic juniper]

One thing is for sure, god was too merciful with him

[turbid ivy]

why running come to the vc i will make you feel regret khyah

[shell hemlock]

dude why the condescension ?

“answer me correctly”

[turbid ivy]

that's why i said i will answer you twisting your words

dont trust her, she is not a christian to answr you

[gloomy frost]

So what's evil then?

[humble acorn]

For example!!

Just curious

[swift crest]

R u stupid?
Why can't you talk here?
Go ask your god to give you the ultimate power to text on the server rather than asking ppl to get to VC.

[turbid ivy]

as i said before, it's the privation of Goodness.. It doesnt exist as a thing or as a substance.

[gloomy frost]

Because you kept twisting my words, I will ask again, you are a religious person so you should know why are we created?

[turbid ivy]

running coward

[turbid ivy]

[shell hemlock]

????????!!!!!

[gloomy frost]

[turbid ivy]

she is a pagan

[shell hemlock]

how did i even twist your words

😭

[swift crest]

What did your god reply?

[humble acorn]

?def pagan

[cursive bobcat]

Word: pagan

Definition 1 (noun): a person who does not acknowledge your god
Definition 2 (adjective): not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam
Definition 3 (noun): someone motivated by desires for sensual pleasures

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by alicia._.63

[shell hemlock]

why so mean

[swift crest]

Exactly.

[gloomy frost]

And who are you decide that God is good or evil? Why would a being that created everything judge us for things he created and knew we would do, And your religion shows your lack of freedom btw.

[gloomy frost]

Jesus, Whatever, maybe read your own text but sure, Just answer me, You must know as a religious person why we were created? I am not talking about judging but reason, Not good or evil, I am asking why is there something rather than nothing.

[turbid ivy]

[swift crest]

@gloomy frost lemme know when u get the answer.

[gloomy frost]

So you are implying that we are capable of understanding god's will?

As you said those scriptures and traditions reveal it.

[gloomy frost]

sure.

[shell hemlock]

let’s see, you told me

1. to “answer your question correctly”
2. you said i am twisting your words, what the hell are you even talking abt here
3. you are being condescending and you are not engaging in a respectful discussion

[gloomy frost]

I will never get it from here, I just want these people to introspect more.

[shell hemlock]

“your religion shows your lack of freedom”

[gloomy frost]

Jesus, stop changing the topic.

[shell hemlock]

what are you doing then with these random remarks

[gloomy frost]

Fine, How about this, You said god is perfect, What's perfect?

[shell hemlock]

what’s your motive here

[turbid ivy]

[gloomy frost]

Again you changed the topic Jesus fucking christ, Rather than saying this bullshit, You just won't answer my question.

I asked you a simple question but Now you are so fixated on things I said before.

Use your brain for fucking once.

[shell hemlock]

[gloomy frost]

Alright, You are just ragebaiting and don't even know the answers and believe in things you don't understand.

No You didn't said it, My bad.

And you pointed out my mistake thanks.

Now answer what's perfect.

[shell hemlock]

i’m choosing not to engage in a non progressive discussion

[gloomy frost]

You are choosing to change the topic from an genuine question, Let me ask again, Why is there something rather than nothing.

Lacking nothing and fully good ehh? And there's no flaw, limitation or contradiction, So god created us human? Again I am clarifying before presenting my statement.

Fine, So sin is a flaw that we shouldn't do am I correct? And human free will is flawless?

So something flawless like human free will is capable of choosing something flaw full? Like sin.

And tell me, What's right or wrong?

So we can do something flawfull?

Alright so to be able to act right or wrong we should be capable of understanding god's will?

And if we do sin, Do we become flawed?

What do you mean partially? If you are incapable of understanding something fully, Why do you believe it's the truth?

Fair, So we humans created sin, And we are a part of god, so a part of god created sin?

[plain ruin]

@fresh flower we got reverse nobu here

Hit him with the "Where's your moral standard to say something is wrong if you're an atheist? Khyah "

[gloomy frost]

Not enough, Why would you believe in something you don't fully understand? You are just believing whatever is told to you then.

So god created us but we aren't a part of him?

[shell hemlock]

am eating real good chicken rn

[plain ruin]

I was going to point that out

[gloomy frost]

i don't know where you got that assumption that I am an atheist, All you guys do is assume and believe it's the truth, Pitful.

[plain ruin]

Name one thing we can fully understand

[tiny apex]

What kind of chicken

[shell hemlock]

chimken wing

[gloomy frost]

Again, You said why do we do not need to fully understand god's will when he's our creator?

[shell hemlock]

i ordered the spicy one without knowing

[tiny apex]

Spicy wings are the best though

[shell hemlock]

reaaaaallllll

[gloomy frost]

Then if we are not part of him, Why is he capable of judging us?

[shell hemlock]

i’m a huuuuge fan

[plain ruin]

"You guys"
I'm agnostic myself, your arguments are framed in a specific way, no one who follows/believes in any God would make such arguments

[shell hemlock]

i used to be one of em beef steaks lovers but this year chicken wins

[tiny apex]

Next year will it be turkey

[plain ruin]

What type

[shell hemlock]

next year will prolly be lamb icl

[plain ruin]

What type of wings*

[shell hemlock]

are yall ai 💔💔💔

[tiny apex]

Don’t even get me started that’s so good

[shell hemlock]

spicy wing

[plain ruin]

i mean preparation

[shell hemlock]

i personally like the ends of the wings

[shell hemlock]

fried

[plain ruin]

there's like 156836 spicy wing types dawg😭

[plain ruin]

that barely narrows it down ngl😭

[shell hemlock]

cooked in batter 😭😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

either way
enjoy🙏💯

[shell hemlock]

deep fried

[plain ruin]

that's so vanilla

[shell hemlock]

wit seasonings

[gloomy frost]

I am agnostic myself as well, all I am trying to see is their perspective, I personally don't have an opinion.

[shell hemlock]

tbh i like grilled/roasted instead you feel me

[gloomy frost]

Why? I asked you why is it enough?

[plain ruin]

I love grilled too, if i'm frying, I gotta mix up the preparations from time to time

[gloomy frost]

No my parents are not judging and guiding me, Don't assume things, Plus you just compared god to a human, Is god comparable to humans? So does god works like human does? If not, Don't use such examples.

[shell hemlock]

how this convo makes me feel

[shell hemlock]

i like grilled mainly cuz it don’t use as much oil

me 🤝 my air fryer

[plain ruin]

The questions also seem to be jumping from place to place in ways that make no sense for someone trying to figure things out
You keep throwing in random assumptions as fact/as if people believe these things

Like Sanna said, you're deriving meaning from her sentences that are your own, rather than trying to "see her perspective" like you claimed you were doing

[plain ruin]

same, i hate having to grill though

[shell hemlock]

that’s why i always start with “i believe”

so people can at least try to put themselves in my shoes

[gloomy frost]

If You are incapable of understanding something fully, Again why do you believe he is all good, powerful and correct, Why believe in something you are incapable of understanding? Shows that you never questioned yourself.

I am reading, You said just like how our parents guides us, So weren't you comparing god to humans behaviors?

[shell hemlock]

she said “i can’t fully know your or anyone else’s will”

omgggg

[gloomy frost]

Because I need answers and understanding of her perspective to be fully capable of understanding her believes, so I do have to ask.

[plain ruin]

2bana alladhi, fe as-samawat

[gloomy frost]

Why not? And if that is the case, Why do you trust him?

[plain ruin]

Like I said, reverse Nobu

[gloomy frost]

If you can't understand someone's will why are you believing him?

[shell hemlock]

bro because He’s God and they believe knows everything duh

[slender coral]

Show me the votes.

[shell hemlock]

even some average atheists can figure it out

[gloomy frost]

Ofc, I can only understand, What I can understand, and I am asking her to clarify it everytime.

[shell hemlock]

what do you think it means to be a believer

[gloomy frost]

haha Sure, And why do you believe he knows everything?

[plain ruin]

Yet you can't grasp the concept of metaphors...

?def metaphor

[cursive bobcat]

Word: metaphor

Definition (noun): a figure of speech in which an expression is used to refer to something that it does not literally denote in order to suggest a similarity

Definition requested by dxalrado

[slender coral]

Dude, how do you know these stuff.

[slender coral]

His English is not good too, which makes communication with him harder.

[plain ruin]

I know lam shamsiya/qamariya because I was the only one autistic enough to give a shit about it during class

When it comes to 2/3/5/7 usage, it's from my time playing CS dxb servers

[spice bobcat]

If god not real, then explain this

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/mongolia-based-chingiz-khan-lonely-lonely-rampage-gif-14200403252536449099

[gloomy frost]

My bad, It seems I had mistaken your words, yeah I suppose they can judge even though who the fuck are they to judge me but sure, I have learnt a lot actually from this conversation, now for the last question, Do you understand god?

[plain ruin]

In context of the sentence, I was messing around with a coptic friend who I was playing with last year 😭

[shell hemlock]

aren’t these those people that use throat

[spice bobcat]

The original throat goats. Yes

[plain ruin]

Yeah

[gloomy frost]

It means to accept something and thinking it must be the reality or truth.

[shell hemlock]

they are bagpipes without the use of bagpipes

[shell hemlock]

there’s ur answer

[plain ruin]

@slender coral I met him in another discord server, I found out he lived in Kuwait too, we were talking about schools, and the guy randomly reveals he went to one of my schools too, and he was a year above me💀

[shell hemlock]

if you wanna know more about what makes them believers you should rather ask about scriptures and etc the core value of being a believer

rather than asking why they are believers

or asking why God is this that

[slender coral]

What a nice coincidence.

[gloomy frost]

I don't believe in anything to begin with so, I don't need it.

[plain ruin]

Isn't Aram derived from one of the children of Shem

yes it is

[shell hemlock]

so what is the conclusion to this conversation

[slender coral]

I don't miss my school years so much, I do not wish to see any of people I met in school again lol

[plain ruin]

same, atleast most of them

[gloomy frost]

Yeah, You follow someone without completely understanding, I see, Thanks a lot for what You have told me, Next time I will come with an better arguement.

[gloomy frost]

The conclusion was to make you introspect and question why? Why is there something rather than nothing.

Why is there even a god or humans or even anything, Rather than nothing.

[shell hemlock]

why we fart

[gloomy frost]

Questions like why do i believe in this religion, Why do I believe in something?

[gloomy frost]

Tbh it's about defying our nature.

[woven quail]

Why whenever I come here the topic is religion

[gloomy frost]

Defy it all, We seek comfort in believes.

[slender coral]

His goodness? I remember when we talked about the genocides committed under god's command in OT before, you mentioned something about the verses not being interpreted literally? I do not think the Jewish/Christian god was good as a result of such stories.

[plain ruin]

Which grade you in again @gloomy frost
Are you planning to do JEE/NEET/CAT/CLAT?

[slender coral]

Is it a bad thing?

[woven quail]

And sure it’s always that 2 person and one of them is u

[shell hemlock]

it’s a decent topic but i think what’s more worthy of talking about is conflicts between countries like israel and palestine (cuz there r still people who disagree on things that r literally right in front of our eyes)

remember that one mod that came here to say innocent children should die in war bc that’s jus how it is

[slender coral]

"We talk about other stuff here every now and then.
Many complain that we talk about religion very often, but if you don't like it you can try and shift the topic to something else instead of just complaining."
Saved

[woven quail]

Idk all I see here is that ppl yapping about Islam nothing else

[plain ruin]

MrSheen is still on his deleting streak, from 6 pages to 3

[woven quail]

https://tenor.com/view/tissue-roll-hangging-suicide-funny-gif-22276377

[shell hemlock]

we should talk about how yummy chicken nuggets are but how the process of making it tha makes me guilty

[slender coral]

There's a food channel btw.

[shell hemlock]

literally, be deletes his messages and expect me to take his arguments srsly

[gloomy frost]

I mean, You said it yourself You follow god Without understanding his will.

[gloomy frost]

None of that.

I am in 12th grade.

[shell hemlock]

if he deletes his arguments that means he can’t even stand for what he said

[plain ruin]

The exams... some of them start before 12th boards do
Not planning for any of them after your boards either?

[gloomy frost]

I am not planning on any of them, I personally will go for batchelor of business administration.

[shell hemlock]

HORRIBLE comparison

[plain ruin]

That's why you're this laid back
Could've atleast taken CAT to help, the exam is this week

[gloomy frost]

Btw sanna I just realised what I was missing, Gibe me proof of all the statement you have said previously, like where is the proof that God is all good, powerful and shit.

[gloomy frost]

nuh i Don't feel like it.

[plain ruin]

Outdid Thinkpad's "I have a crush on a tree"

[slender coral]

Do you think saying that maas killing people only a matter of human preference? Morality isn't just a matter of preference, it presents systems that preserved human societies by encouraging cooperation and condemning hate. God's actions are arbitrary because what you condemn today in Palestine is something that he simply did much worse than it in a different time, and honestly they'd be easier to explain if we say his commands were a way for people with power back then to do whatever they want to win in their military conflicts.

[gloomy frost]

Why should I believe that bible is an viable source of truth?

[plain ruin]

Oh boy...
I feel sorry for you

[gloomy frost]

am I cooked?

[plain ruin]

You're in a country where you have millions of people your age going in the same fields without getting into higher level insitutions

You're going to have a harder time at growth without connections

[gloomy frost]

You are the one claiming that there's a god who's seeing our actions and will judge us, You made an bold statement, Which requires bold proofs.

[high rapids]

Hello sir

[plain ruin]

A good day to you

[slender coral]

@gloomy frost why did you pick "fluent" role? 😭

[gloomy frost]

Because I liked the colour.

[slender coral]

Lmao

[gloomy frost]

I honestly don't have a clue, I was personally planning on doing a business.

[plain ruin]

You need capital and good/better teaching for that
Getting into a better uni can get you a better job and also better knowledge/connections that can help you run your own business, even if you aren't planning to use the degree to be salaried, some "salary" helps you get off the ground

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah MacDonalds have great opportunities for these majors

[plain ruin]

E-I-E-I-O

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dog-ai-poodle-gif-15866581255578824998

[gloomy frost]

at first, i was just planning on a job, Then I realised fuck that, I am going for business, Then I realised I am not capable of surving the market Without some knowledge, So Amma do some job for 5 years and then start a business.

[high rapids]

He is right

[plain ruin]

Still, every step you can get close to an IIM, gets you classmates with better finances/knowledge/connections

Your average starting salary for BBAs in India, will leave most people depressed

[gloomy frost]

how much is it?

I know It's low but still, How low?

[high rapids]

this guy is from india

lmao

You are talking to me?

Because its India

[gloomy frost]

alright, I have seen dumb people, You might the dumbest of them all.

[high rapids]

Its like a 3rd world

[winter smelt]

You haven’t seen me

[plain ruin]

15-25K a month
Factor in expenses, and you're going to end up with maybe 1-3L at the end of 5 years

The average IIM graduate for reference, has an in hand salary of above 1L a month.
You'd have to take a loan to finance the degree there, but you'd be able to finish paying off the loan, within 2 years. From there, depending on your ability to manage money, you could end up with closer to 20L to start your business with

That's just the economic side of it, not even talking about quality of studies and networking

[gloomy frost]

3rd world?

[high rapids]

I don´t mean it in a bad way

[high rapids]

rupies or dollar?

[plain ruin]

All rupees, 1L = 100K rupees for reference

[gloomy frost]

💀 Jesus, That's way too low, And Tbh Taking a loan is too big of a risk, I might as well go in psychology at this point.

[high rapids]

It´s still nothing

[thorny coral]

I am here all serious

[gloomy frost]

[thorny coral]

And Obv you are here

[last geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-hüseyin-aktepe-gif-23886511

[plain ruin]

Psychology is a good field in India, but you'd have to really work your name to get recommendations and whatnot. Then you'd also have to consider NEET if you want to be taken seriously

[high rapids]

1L = 100000 Rupess = 970 Euro or 1121 Dollar

[high rapids]

Chill ❤️

[gloomy frost]

Personally I was going for psychology because everyone is so depressed and emo.

[plain ruin]

Given the purchasing power in India, earning 1L a month is pretty good, you can become one of those guys who buys buildings and rents them out

[high rapids]

Yes ofc for them but for people like us its not a "good" salary (If you work 40/h Week)

[plain ruin]

You forget about the stigma; indians don't want to admit they have issues or are too scared to admit they have issues or are too controlled by family/relationships to be able to go

[gloomy frost]

@high raven 😭 really sorry for bothering again, But do you believe in Bible because it's the word of god? And everything said in Bible is correct, (I have this really bad habit of realising what I wanna say after conversation ends)

[high rapids]

WHAT HAVE I DONE WRONG

[gloomy frost]

😔 But the thing is, I am not planning on staying in India

[high rapids]

Why

[gloomy frost]

My bad, I accidentally pinged you as well.

[plain ruin]

Fair enough
I would say the ability to build up yourself in India is a lot better though
It's easier to turn 1000$ into 100K$ in India than in the west

[plain ruin]

That makes going into a higher end university in India even more relevant

[high rapids]

Maybe I would need to make some research about India, etc.

[gloomy frost]

Less opportunitys plus A shit ton of competition.

[gloomy frost]

where should I go?

[high rapids]

Have you already some ideas where you wanna go

[plain ruin]

It's moreso about the potential, the floor prices are much lower

[gloomy frost]

I do, Like Germany.

[high rapids]

dooooonttttttttttttttt comeeeeeeeeeee to theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[plain ruin]

Start with getting into a high end university in India, go abroad for masters

Bachelor's abroad, straight after board exams, is a debt trap

[gloomy frost]

why not?

[frosty hearth]

Pollution

[gloomy frost]

I was planning on going masters aboard actually, I don't know if everyone is doing that or what.

[high rapids]

Go to China

[frosty hearth]

All Indians, Arabs and African are welcomed in Europe

[high rapids]

As long as they behave*

[gloomy frost]

no.

[frosty hearth]

No, lets be inclusive. Thieves, ppl with charges and corrupts too

[high rapids]

I mean for the master

[plain ruin]

That makes it a lot easier to get abroad, + you can directly work while doing your masters in most countries.
Whereas you'd only be able to intern/work part-time if you're doing your Bachelors abroad.

Graduating from a higher end university in India and with good marks, helps you all the more to get accepted into a university, and a job.

[high rapids]

you are rage baiting leave me alone

[gloomy frost]

I understand you don't have to go through the literal meaning, Nor do I intent to do that, now tell me, Where it is written that bible is word of god?

[frosty hearth]

Hajaa

[plain ruin]

The fact that you're finishing high school and this laid back, wanting to go abroad, and talking about philosophy/religion...

It's a recipe for disaster

[gloomy frost]

Nuh, Still I might because chinese huzz are good.

[thorny steeple]

@fervent imp

[gloomy frost]

damn, I really am cooked, Tbh I only want money to travel the world, Not to have family or friends, Just a alone traveler.

[plain ruin]

There's no problem in that! You need to have the money to support whatever you're doing though
Strongly suggest that you work harder, while you still have time!

[gloomy frost]

So You are telling me, You believe bible is the word of god because bible said so? It's like saying spiderman is real because the author said in the book spiderman is real.

[gloomy frost]

wot to do then?

[plain ruin]

If you're going to ask me that, after our conversation, I don't think I've got much else to say to you

[gloomy frost]

😭 holy shit, I forgot to not write that, It was in my mind but it slipped, sorry mate, But still where it is written that bible is the word of god?

[gloomy frost]

Yeah, I guess I should prepare for exams.

My bad bro, I didn't realise what I typed, But still where it is written that bible is word of god?

okay bro, Now tell me where it is written that bible is word of god?

I am truly sorry for my previous statement.

[fresh flower]

Holy fuck this guy is slow

[plain ruin]

No, he's just from Delhi

[fresh flower]

GOOD SHOT BHAIYA

[plain ruin]

This reminds me
I'm going to give Carpe 1 rupee rn

[gloomy frost]

._. Yeah But now you won't answer where it is written that bible is word of god.

[fresh flower]

Nah that's evil💀💀💀💀💀💀

Come on bro.....

[shell hemlock]

oh brother

[fresh flower]

Who told this guy that it's a good idea to debate religion with Sanna

[plain ruin]

I just saw how last time, I sent him exactly 1.69 rupees

Because they wouldn't allow me to go lower than 1

[gloomy frost]

So You are again telling me, That it is written in bible, That bible is word of god and I should believe it, pfft you are dumber than sanna.

[shell hemlock]

bro nobody is telling you to believe it

and you are insulting someone else for* something you disagree on

[plain ruin]

He's not even doing JEE/NEET/CAT/CLAT and he's in his final year of school

[gloomy frost]

[shell hemlock]

check yourself

[humble acorn]

As usual Theists vs non theists....

[gloomy frost]

Yeah, Then people who believe that bible is word of god because bible said so are dumber.

[fresh flower]

Bro's calling the highest educated person in this channel dumb

[plain ruin]

You've not stepped a single foot in India and you know how cooked he is

[fresh flower]

Ya Allah 💔💔💔💔😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

@MH. K

[uncut tiger]

Summoning Bihar

[gloomy frost]

Correct, You are dense because all you have done is assume and believe it's the truth.

[fresh flower]

💀💀💀💀

[shell hemlock]

you are also dumb for not being able to comprehend simple sentences on a discord server

[plain ruin]

Summoning a guy whose ceiling is falling

[uncut tiger]

omg I sound so smart because I use punctuation

[shell hemlock]

"i am so smart because i don't believe in a religion"

[gloomy frost]

Whatever you say, Remember, If you believe in something because the book said so, You are truly the dumbest one.

[uncut tiger]

Lmao

[shell hemlock]

then don't believe in 1+1 = 2 because your math teacher said so

what a dumb argument

[plain ruin]

If he was atleast on ST, I could say he's trying

[uncut tiger]

Bro thinks he's the man

[gloomy frost]

I never said I am so smart.

[uncut tiger]

Wait guys why are we hating on him tho

I need context

[gloomy frost]

I don't believe that, infact, I question even reality so idk if you are thinking that would hurt me.

You are truly the dumbest one.

Imagine believing in dragons because the book said dragons exist.

You sound that dumb.

[wary oak]

I already blocked this clown

7 iq

[shell hemlock]

how do you not believe 1+1=2

anyway

[plain ruin]

This reminds me of how LLMs are based on probability

[uncut tiger]

He low-key sounds like one

[gloomy frost]

And how do you believe that there's a god that sees everything and judges us, Just because you never asked why, It doesn't mean You are smarter.

[shell hemlock]

if you need to insult someone to make your point then... hmmm really question if i need to take your arguments srsly at all cuz your whole point is just to be disrespectful and insulting

[plain ruin]

@high raven by the way, Thinkpad's older than this guy

[gloomy frost]

Not gonna lie, I don't know what's better believing in whatever is told to you, Or questioning everything.

[plain ruin]

She turned 17 last april I believe
Right after hitler's birthday

[wary oak]

I saw the God and she was a woman

[gloomy frost]

that wasn't my intention, All I wanted you guys to have some introspection but sure.

Every asked why? I hope not, Because you never used your intellect.

[shell hemlock]

you literally called people who disagree with you dumb 💀

[gloomy frost]

as if your god is logical, Why would a being that created everything would care about us?

Lmao

[gloomy frost]

That's one way to put it, If I don't call you guys dumb, You'd never have an introspection.

[shell hemlock]

[uncut tiger]

.

[shell hemlock]

i'm out of words fr

[wary oak]

if you say intellect you sound smart

[gloomy frost]

All this intelligence and consciousness, still unable to ask why.

[uncut tiger]

Yo daddy called it out already

[gloomy frost]

😭 whatever that means sure.

[plain ruin]

How about analyzing the advantages/disadvantages of both instead of sticking to one side without "knowing" which is better

"Why are you believing in something you don't fully understand?"

[gloomy frost]

You can, As a matter of fact I do, Or I'd have killed myself at this point 😭 whatever, Listen Still mindless believes aren't that wisest thing, At least question things.

[shell hemlock]

holy edgelord

[gloomy frost]

What's the point of this consciousness when you guys won't question the bases you stand on.

[plain ruin]

There isn't any situation where pure "mindless belief" is ever good
Nor is there a point where purely "questioning everything" is ever good

In the middle, believing a little bit and questioning a little bit, brings progress

[gloomy frost]

Yet, when I try to question their beliefs, They jump out and criticise because they can't stand being wrong, The second you choose a side you become incapable of seeing the other perspective, they are too rigid.

[plain ruin]

You seem too out of touch with society/reality if you think life is about trying to find out every single thing there is to be, even as an atheist

Create your own good life, create fun times, enjoy life, instead of fighting over things that don't make sense

[gloomy frost]

The second you choose a side, You have already lost to ego.

[gloomy frost]

I never said it's about finding, Rather it's about questioning.

[plain ruin]

This applies no less to you yourself
Trying to question to concept/validity of a religion itself is meaningless

The only things that truly matter at the end of the day is how people behave in relation to their faith, rather than their faith itself

[frozen cape]

Question everything

[plain ruin]

Still, at the end of the day, you're on the "other side" yourself, you've chosen to "question everything" to a degree that doesn't make sense, as you've said yourself:

[gloomy frost]

Why not? If you are capable of questioning, if you got wings why would you just stick to ground?

[uncut tiger]

w shawn get him

[gloomy frost]

I am capable of understanding what they are saying, It's in human nature to stick to beliefs that provides emotional stability, and comfort, and again, I question why am I even questioning 😭 ts so dumb but Smart if you actually think.

I know I am living in assumption but It's sad to see others not actually understanding their grounding.

[plain ruin]

Because it doesn't bring about anything good, if you're going to question things that don't really have a good reason to be questioned

What's the point of figuring out whether God is real or where humans came from or how the universe was created?
It's got no actual purpose in human life/development
Spending this questioning in politics/science/economics & business theory would be much more interesting + beneficial not just to you, but to society as a whole

[thorny coral]

i have a question for muslims and ts is not a serious question

[shell hemlock]

whut the question

[plain ruin]

I forgot nobu is unmuted for a second

[thorny coral]

What do you think of eating octopus?? Do you think it's haram???

[uncut tiger]

probably if we can use iphone in jannah

close enough...

[viscid elbow]

Bro...

[shell hemlock]

to eat ???

[thorny coral]

Yup

[gloomy frost]

And why should I personally care about if it's good or not? Again what's the point of living with not questioning where you came from why universe was created where humans came from, What difference would it make between us and animals?

They don't question their master either, Nor does most of us.

So Idk who's the idiot.

[uncut tiger]

whether it is haram or halal depends on the school of thought one's following

[plain ruin]

"I said ya hussain one time and my battery charged to 100%
Say ya ali and it changed to iPhone 15 Bro Max"

[shell hemlock]

it's not haram but i believe some school of teaching says differently like only actual fish like salmon or smth is halal

[thorny coral]

I see i see

[shell hemlock]

yeah i think so

[uncut tiger]

if you guys are from the fiqh hanbali you can eat it

[plain ruin]

My point is that these aren't things for us to solve
It's like telling a 1st grader to solve 12th grade math

What's the point?
We don't have the capability/knowledge/resources to try to understand these things, your philosophy ultimately is meaningless, you're choosing to derive goodness only from understanding these things, which this generation doesn't have the means to understand.

You're better off contributing to the scientific fields involved instead of arguing about something we have no means of proving/disproving

There isn't one thing we "fully understand" about anything in the world at all

[gloomy frost]

Anyways As an argument, saying bible is word of god because it's said on bible, it’s circular and not logically strong.

So Idk who's really dumb.

[gloomy frost]

Yeah, Then Again I'd argue What's the point living if you don't even question the bases you stand on, I do realise I don't have capability/knowledge/resources to understand, But I can question it, And it's fascinating to thing that a being can question itself like universe questioning itself, Though impossible to answer but asking that question from time to time gives an refresh charge, And Personally I don't really care about contributing to society, As society steals my freedom and it's suffocating.

And tbh 1+1=2 is true within the axioms of arithmetic.
The Bible being true because it says so is circular.
These are different kinds of claims, so comparing them doesn’t work.

[plain ruin]

What's the point of questioning the things you stand on, if you're not going to actually have a life with meaning?

If you're somewhat on the nihilistic side, hey, you do you
To me, it's like a 1st grader asking what "Calculus" is and how to "learn it"

You can say that Calculus has something to do with complicated mathematics required for engineering,
But you'll never be able to explain to the child how to solve calculus problems, they don't have the means/capability to be able to do it, until they solve the various steps of math they have to first learn

[midnight lodge]

It's about the standard that you apply to the Bible as you look at it considering a historical document (compiled over a vast period of time), is how Christians defend it, or something along those lines at least. I thought you should know that.

[plain ruin]

Even if you don't take society into consideration

It's a waste of time arguing on a topic which has no substance. Derive meaning from getting us forward, not from asking about what'll happen at the end.

[midnight lodge]

But you'll never be able to explain to the child how to solve calculus problems, they don't have the means/capability to be able to do it, until they solve the various steps of math they have to first learn

This is why it's important to teach people, children, how to LEARN. Teach them HOW to LEARN. And actually if they realized just this and used their brain they would start asking the RIGHT questions and eventually, achieve whatever they wish to.

[plain ruin]

You seem to be doing things whether this argument, or life in general, for the sake of "questioning"
Which is ultimately something you've chosen
And will just remain to be depressing rather than fruitful

And I'm going to point out again, the below image, you're choosing a side yourself

[gloomy frost]

And what's the point of having a life with meaning if you don't question the reality, Whatever it's getting dumb from here and your example of an that a first grader can't understand calculas which is understandable but when the child grows he can understand it, But We as humans won't be able to, It's kinda sad tbh, all I can do is question, while most lives on assumptions becomes incapable of realising it's just an assumption not the truth, Still I guess I should leave this topic at this point.

[gloomy frost]

It seems I am, But is there really a no side in this situation, Maybe it would be to just live life, not question everything but questioning important things.

[plain ruin]

Yes, but in this case we're talking about the literal creation of the universe

What's the point? We don't have the means/steps in between what we know now, and the knowledge required to understand the universe, unlike calculus

That's exactly what I'm encouraging, let him question things so we can develop those steps and come to that "understanding of the universe" when we can actually understand it

He's talking about wanting to question/understand the universe which is a waste of time, I'm saying, contribute towards the questions that need to be answered to understand it instead

[gloomy frost]

Still questioning beliefs is an important part, Rather than mindlessly following.

All I can say believing in Bible is word of god because bible said so, Is just naive.

[rustic island]

What's the argument about?

[frozen cape]

Nice bird

[rustic island]

It's a penguin..

[gloomy frost]

Sure, It was a fun time though, I knew we would come to a point of circular reasoning, But meh, had fun maybe you had an introspection yourself, I hope you did.