🧠｜serious-chat

[winter echo]

Yes

No go ahead bro

[fallow shard]

What about me

[uncut tiger]

It's only in one small village in India

Not the entire country

[shell hemlock]

you reminded me of a burp <3

[plain ruin]

He's fully aware that it's isolated to a single village, he's in his villain arc right now

Atleast MH. K didn't cope this hard when he got confronted with the clanker bullying

[fallow shard]

Idk if that's good thing😭

[uncut tiger]

Who's MHk

[winter echo]

If that's the case that influencer wouldn't receive countless death threats

[uncut tiger]

He said it himself dude you can watch the video

[plain ruin]

I can't tell you

[hoary glen]

At least they didn't stuff firecrackers into the feces.

[winter echo]

Are you Indian apologist?

[uncut tiger]

DM

[plain ruin]

ChatGPT would say it too, but Abdul believes in evidence before speaking before having opinions, right...?

[uncut tiger]

I'm from Patna Bihar

[shell hemlock]

you remind me of a passionate fart <3

[uncut tiger]

I'm poor

[fallow shard]

OH CMON NOW

[winter echo]

As if i don't know you're from Pakistan

[plain ruin]

Did you steal a bridge

[uncut tiger]

Okay I don't get the reference 👅

[shell hemlock]

why are we even talking about this in the middle of a heated discussion💔

today is constipation awareness month

together we will fight this

[plain ruin]

In Bihar, they stole a bridge to sell scrap metal, railroad tracks, even a pond

[fallow shard]

Good luck w ur constipation or something bcs I've no problems

[manic juniper]

We already knew him from the other English server

He got muted more than once for sending pp drawings

[uncut tiger]

How do you steal a bridge doesn't it stay at it's place 💀

[shell hemlock]

every 60 seconds in africa, a minute passes

[uncut tiger]

Is they a he

[plain ruin]

Not a major bridge, just a small bridge used to cross a tiny river

[uncut tiger]

I thought he was a she

It has both pronouns in it's profile

[manic juniper]

Who

[uncut tiger]

He AND she

[manic juniper]

Phinxi is a guy

[uncut tiger]

What about unknown duck

[manic juniper]

There are no gendered pronouns in Finnish so it's normal if she uses both, I do too

[uncut tiger]

I see

[winter echo]

@plain ruin please go ahead and start with the challenge, I'll follow suit

[cerulean pivot]

The swedish one looks better now

[fossil tiger]

Why can’t I join the voice channel (🇪🇬🇱🇾عربي 🇵🇸🇱🇧) ? I was in it before, but now it says I don’t have permission. Did someone block me from it?

[plain ruin]

I proposed it first, waiting on you

[winter echo]

Is this for free?

[plain ruin]

Quiet 6000mhz

[cerulean pivot]

It should be

[winter echo]

I beg you go ahead please

[uncut tiger]

Wym bro this is tasty

[cerulean pivot]

You won't get the green card fam

[winter echo]

That makes sense, coz there's no way I'll pay for that burnt pizza

[plain ruin]

Don't feed into stereotypes
Prove yourself, you're more chicken than nobu

[fossil tiger]

<@&852927620106551396>

[winter echo]

Okay tell me the reason why you don't want to compete with AI, who is not smart

[plain ruin]

Tell me the reason you keep deflecting?
Are you scared to prove that the AI knows more about the holocaust than you do?

Your challenge wasn't to prove anything, but to deflect from my challenge
Only person who doesn't want to compete is you

I'll quote someone:

[manic juniper]

Chickens don't deserve this comparison

Chickens are bold, especially roosters

[plain ruin]

Hahaha

[turbid dome]

Exactly

Justice for chickens

[plain ruin]

Martini, why is he running away from my challenge?

[turbid dome]

Because you insulted chickens I expect you to say “Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among chicken
and blessed is the fries of thy basket, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our insulting of chicken.

Amen.”

[shy summit]

Brother….

What the fuck

[turbid dome]

Idk, maybe the sentences should be a analyzed

[plain ruin]

😭

[winter echo]

The thing is all the sources he's citing are somewhat connected to jews and the United States.
however Ai is a very good tool if you know the right questions to ask, which unfortunately i don't know at the moment.
Now tell me why you're afraid of an AI

[shy summit]

I’m going to say this once

The Holocaust happened

[wary oak]

Ur average muslim in here is hyper antisemitic

This server doesnt have sane people

you just see casual racism in general chat all day but if u say anything about islam ur cooked

[merry ore]

English Helper means we help with questions about English. Ping a mod or use #🛂｜report-help

[shy summit]

Idc if they’re Muslim Jewish or Pastafarian

[turbid dome]

AI is good and provides you good sources unless it goes against your point, lmao, how convenient

[wary oak]

Yeah, it happened but people deny in everyday in here

[shy summit]

@winter echo Are you denying that the Holocaust happened or trying to downplay it?

[turbid dome]

Perfect lmao

[turbid dome]

He’s already done the second

[winter echo]

I'm not denying it happened but just thinking the 6 million jews is somewhat exaggerated

[plain ruin]

I'm not "afraid" of AI
Go put all my messages on the subject in your precious ChatGPT

You have, ironically, called out the very thing that I've been talking about the whole time;
AIs aren't "smart"
They are modelled by humans, LLMs are modelled to give outcomes based on humans saying "Yes, you should reply this to this" and not "You, the AI, should decide for yourself what to think about the subject matter"

LLMs are fine-tuned by humans, and therefore can never be trusted for factual information
What you just said, albeit very conspiratorial, is along the lines of everything we've been telling you for the last few weeks

[wary oak]

Lol

[shy summit]

It’s not… what the fuck is wrong with you?

[wary oak]

Its cause of palestine

Muslims became hyper antisemitic

[plain ruin]

I ahm looking far a Sarah Cahnar
Aurgh

[winter echo]

Are you their apologist?

[frozen cape]

Feel free to ask your fave AI about it 😏

[shy summit]

We up to 60k+ dead in Gaza dude, likely much more.

I don’t downplay death counts

[turbid dome]

He’s deep down the Russia/muslim fundamentalist pipeline

[shy summit]

U are literally doing Holocaust denialism.

We are not the same

[manic juniper]

If there is one thing Jews don't control it's AI
That's fully under Albanian control:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/behind-the-tech/mira-murati-chief-technology-officer-openai

[wary oak]

It’s nazi shit

it’s literally nazi talking points

[shy summit]

It is

[turbid dome]

Unless that AI is Grok, in which case it’ll pass the mustache

[winter echo]

Just compete with it to prove your point
If you have the guts

[shy summit]

We don’t need to entertain bigoted conspiracy theories

[manic juniper]

Btw the Holocaust isn't about Jews, it also includes Slavs, disabled and homosexuals and other groups

[wary oak]

Bad wording

It mostly was targeted towards the jewish population , yes others too

[shy summit]

It was 5 million Jews but more when you include other groups.

[manic juniper]

Most victims were Jews but they are far from the only ones, at least ⅓ of the victims were Slavs

[wary oak]

I don’t remember a night of glass or whatever for disabled people

The famous story of a jewish shop being ransacked

[winter echo]

What's the religion of openAi's CEO

[shy summit]

Hell the first thing the Nazis did was go after queer people.

[plain ruin]

You don't understand the substance of any of the arguments presented to you about AI to begin with...
It was never about competition

[shy summit]

What’s your religion? O

[frozen cape]

Not surprised considering it's made by that nepobaby neo nazi

[shy summit]

Should I dismiss you for your faith? I have no faith so I don’t have a horse in this race

[plain ruin]

In wording, yes

In modern usage and even WikiPedia's definition, they define it on the basis of Jews

[winter echo]

You are the one who said its not smart, I'm giving you a chance to prove it

[worn sluice]

oh a silly fight...

[plain ruin]

What about the AI is smart
If it needs to be told what to say by humans

[turbid dome]

I mean Hitler pretty openly talked about how he wanted to kill Slavs, he compared it to the Native American genocide even. He called them redskins.

[frozen cape]

I don't recommend it

[turbid dome]

Yup, we’re on the very serious topic of the Holocaust but in the dumbest way possible

[manic juniper]

Don't know but Mira Murati has a Muslim surname and her city used to be Muslim majority

She's probably irreligious since most Albanians are

[shy summit]

@winter echo

[winter echo]

Take the challenge then

[shy summit]

I’m posting this once

[wary oak]

Only dumb cause mfs will deny it

[worn sluice]

i wont join i am just gonna watch

[turbid dome]

Literally mentioned in the TOS directly 😭

[formal pilot]

White theme, pathetic

[plain ruin]

Answer the question?
Is it "smart" or is it following a set of human-defined patterns?

[wary oak]

Dont our own brains do that already

[worn sluice]

oh u guys know about alot of stuff....its cool

[shy summit]

This is White Theme Discrimination!

[wary oak]

Isnt being smart as a human just being able to replicate what earlier humans did / are teaching us

[manic juniper]

Wikipedia says it's sometimes used to include other groups, in most Eastern European countries it certainly does otherwise they'd exclude their own people

[shy summit]

Let’s move on before we need to mute/ban people

[plain ruin]

The difference is that we have a level of sentience, AI training is analogous to literally being brainwashed

[turbid dome]

Yes but Abdul is claiming AI is smart and can think for itself but also that it’s based on human input and constrained by humans, just selectively based on whether the topic is related to Jews or not

[manic juniper]

Then there is Israel that blames Poles for the Holocaust but I don't consider that

[winter echo]

Your info is out of date

[plain ruin]

Right, but it says that in the second part of the page which no one will read

[wary oak]

lol

That is

Interesting…….

[plain ruin]

Do you think he can afford 1 tensor core

[shy summit]

Let’s move on. The Holocaust happened, it is not exaggerated. We are in ToS territory now.

[winter echo]

You're a Lost cause

[wary oak]

Well on the topic of sentience, is an AI blackmailing its researchers to not be turned off an example of that

[manic juniper]

Did she convert to Judaism

[plain ruin]

Crazy how I used your own point against you

[frozen cape]

10-15 years from now people are gonna laugh at this generation for thinking that LLMs are AI

[winter echo]

Sam Altman is the current CEO and he's Jewish

[plain ruin]

Copying human patterns of language, rather than mechanisms of sentience

[manic juniper]

Religion or ethnicity? I know a Jew and he isn't Judaic

[turbid dome]

I think Abdul is just mad that I’m controlling the chat

And his AI

[manic juniper]

Can confirm, he once controlled AI to make it praise reptiles

[blazing stone]

Hello everyone

[plain ruin]

Hehehe

[turbid dome]

Hi, you’re joining at a weird time

[plain ruin]

Just realized you're like the only active american here

[winter echo]

He identity as Jewish

[shy summit]

Bruh

[manic juniper]

I identify as Finnish but I don't believe in Ilmari or Ukko

[turbid dome]

One of

[plain ruin]

LMAO

[shy summit]

You’re being antisemitic and bigoted bro. Last chance to stop. @winter echo

[winter echo]

He's a jew, case closed

[high rapids]

@winter echo

[manic juniper]

[high rapids]

I have a question

[manic juniper]

That's against his programming

[high rapids]

Germans

[plain ruin]

Should we contact Boko Haram

Imma snitch rn

[fallow shard]

[turbid dome]

Nah, try Boko Halal

[plain ruin]

Wouldn't he be a member of that lowkey

[shy summit]

Guys enough

Enough with the religious slamming

[plain ruin]

Nothing religious in my messages, just a social commentary on Abdul's hypocrisy

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/matt-jackson-young-bucks-big-show-chokeslam-table-gif-17769057

[plain ruin]

Sorry boss 😔

[manic juniper]

Can we talk about how I used 606,84 GB of mobile data in two weeks and they had to shut it off

[plain ruin]

😭😭😭

[manic juniper]

Where did they even go

[turbid dome]

“Unlimited”

[plain ruin]

They do this for me with just 300GB (They called it unlimited)

[turbid dome]

That got cut

[manic juniper]

Just fix my optic fibre

[slender coral]

First world countries problems:

[manic juniper]

Same here, it was supposed to be unlimited

[winter echo]

Wait are you serious?
What did you do with that much data?

[manic juniper]

It would be a real problem if I used them
But I couldn't even download Batman Arkham Knight

[plain ruin]

How did they hide it?
Did they say something like "More than 600GB will be considered commercial use"

[manic juniper]

I've been downloading it for a week now and it's just 64 GB. And I'm not done downloading it yet

[manic juniper]

"The usage isn't conforming to personal use of your data plan"

[plain ruin]

HAHAHAHA

[manic juniper]

Where did these data go

[turbid dome]

It’s so bullshit

[manic juniper]

BRO I WISH I USED 600 GB

My game would be ready and I wouldn't be complaining

[plain ruin]

The other company's SIM, I have them too, and they have true unlimited 5G, but I don't get their signal from my home

[manic juniper]

Instead I had to move to my aunt's home for now since I work from home

[plain ruin]

I'm going to send you to lu.se

[turbid dome]

Will she at least blacksmith you a sword to go commit crimes with?

[manic juniper]

I would ask for more than a sword

[turbid dome]

What then

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-keyboard-what-is-your-problem-green-smash-gif-18195947

[plain ruin]

did you consider the seeding ratio tho icl

[manic juniper]

Also shout-out to Anna, she was up at 5 AM just to talk to me

She couldn't answer where my data ended up tho

[turbid dome]

Imagine Anna is in this server and sees this

[manic juniper]

Is that a thing if I'm downloading from the source

I never use torrents

[plain ruin]

oh wait nvm i thought you said you did

yeah no its not

[manic juniper]

Did you take Olivander seriously

[plain ruin]

Do you have "delivery optimization" enabled in windows though? that's basically torrenting

[manic juniper]

No idea

I can't even check that anymore

[plain ruin]

ngl ever nord i know does torrent

[manic juniper]

I own most games I want to play and even if I don't I can usually download from the source with some workarounds

[plain ruin]

you can turn it off in the future

[manic juniper]

NPS browser lets you download from the official PlayStation servers

[plain ruin]

this shit stole 100gb in July

[manic juniper]

Ah this one, no it's off

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-slayer-nezuko-tanjiro-gif-1729949214785977835

[feral river]

dude don't expand the concept to Gazans please, they are very different

a justice war against terrorism does not equal to evil act of Nazi Germany targeting Jews and Israelis

[shy summit]

Idk how many times I must say this but mass civilian deaths are not justifiable in what is a precision campaign.

[high rapids]

Did he said that?

[shy summit]

I didn’t

He’s conflating Islam and civilian infrastructure as legitimate wartime targets in a precision campaign against a relatively small guerrilla group.

[late ravine]

yes

[high rapids]

Great

[high rapids]

How can you be sure about that 60k+ are dead

[shy summit]

Government and independent journalist reports and investigations.

[high rapids]

Did they count every dead body?

[shy summit]

Could they access every body?

[high rapids]

Pls tell me more about the investigations

[shy summit]

The Palestinian Ministry of Health, for one.

Hospital Records and morgues.

[high rapids]

You read the articels and the investigations SO YOU NEED TO TELL ME

[shy summit]

I just said it

Are you serious…?

I just gave you the source material where these numbers were pulled from

And how they were collected

[high rapids]

Yes I'm serious

[shy summit]

I told you where to look.

[high rapids]

@fresh flower Abdul is muted?

[shell hemlock]

he is free, democracy is great

[high rapids]

Muted or banned?

[shell hemlock]

oh he is muted again

[shy summit]

Yes. He is currently muted for the foreseeable future.

[high rapids]

What has he said

[shy summit]

Holocaust Denialism

[shell hemlock]

bro just left prison then went back to a juvenile center

[shy summit]

Perpetuation of harmful stereotypes and conspiracy theories

[shell hemlock]

i don’t know how to feel about that but i will decide tmr

[high rapids]

So he isn't allowed to share his thoughts?

[cerulean pivot]

Free Abdul

[shy summit]

Hateful Conduct Policy Explainer from Discord’s Community Guidelines.

[cerulean pivot]

Cuz that wasn't enough

[shell hemlock]

bc the jews would have smth to blame

[cerulean pivot]

Learn form Babylonians

[high rapids]

The winner writes the history

[shy summit]

[cerulean pivot]

Jews curse us hundred times a day cuz of this

[manic juniper]

Can I report a bunch of people who denied the Armenian and Circassian genocides

[shell hemlock]

history was promised to them 3000 years ago

[cerulean pivot]

Wassup Nale how's your day

[shell hemlock]

are u referring to our good friend minecraft

[manic juniper]

What about the Russians

[high rapids]

She can but the Mod team wouldn't do anything

[shy summit]

Absolutely

[manic juniper]

Btw most Turks in this server were cockblocked by their own country's policies

Discord and Roblox were banned

Armenian genocide denialism plummeted to 1%

[shell hemlock]

immigrants supporting ethnic cleansing

[turbid dome]

He'll make sure to chop down the tree and turn it into a siege weapon

[cerulean pivot]

Less harmful on the environment than ai

[turbid dome]

True

[high rapids]

Why you don't take the next flight to Isreal and help Gaza

[turbid dome]

There's a video of some guy who crossed into the US illegally pointing at the border and saying we need to stop the illegal immigrants, let me find it 😭

[shell hemlock]

there was this african american girl on dr phil that strongly believes that she’s actually white bc she said she’s quote on quote “not ghetto”

[cerulean pivot]

Are u fr

[turbid dome]

Did you support the global sumud flotilla?

[high rapids]

Guess

[turbid dome]

If you're consistent about wanting people to go to gaza you do, yes

[cerulean pivot]

Maybe Black fatigue is real after all

[turbid dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xdZ3H1gC0g#:~:text='NO SECURITY': Illegal migrant,This content isn't available. it's like 3:30 that it starts

[shell hemlock]

bro she said she don’t have a big nose so she’s white 😭

[high rapids]

I'm not supporting them

But this guy came up with some numbers and im still waiting for any proves

[turbid dome]

You just said if you're pro palestine you should go help gaza but now you don't support people who were trying to go help gaza? Are you sure you're not just calling for their deaths?

[high rapids]

I neither support Isreal or Gaza

[turbid dome]

Why do you want them to go to Gaza?

[high rapids]

Nale brought up some numbers and i told him to prove and if he really want to support them why he isn't going there

[turbid dome]

Yes, why did you say that second part if you're against people who tried going there

[high rapids]

I'm not against these people its their live they can do what ever they want lol

[slender coral]

May Allah grant him mercy

[turbid dome]

At this point It's just a new way of asking people to kill themselves, pretend ignorance and say "go to gaza". Same thing as all the pager jokes

[high rapids]

Proof me that you can't go to gaza

[slender coral]

@high raven

[high rapids]

Everything is possible if you want

[turbid dome]

It's embarassing that this is the best you can come up with, it's been two years.

[high rapids]

So you can't proof

[sick bronze]

We have flights to Tel Aviv from here but to return back home, you have to wait at least 2-3 months lmao

sounds a bit odd

[turbid dome]

You're not serious 😭

[cerulean pivot]

And they say Europeans are the best race

[turbid dome]

Tel Aviv isn't gaza 😭

[sick bronze]

I didn't mention Gaza

[high rapids]

"The best Race"

[turbid dome]

you replied to a message about that, sorry

[cerulean pivot]

In bed i guess

[shell hemlock]

you cannot be serious

btw it’s prove*

[turbid dome]

At stealing other people's beds by throwing them into the longboat and sailing back to Nidaros

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-rage-bait-jarvis-clip-that-jarvis-meme-gif-11046632004782930587

[cerulean pivot]

Oman 😭😭

[shell hemlock]

i doubt you were ragebaiting ngl😭

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah they needed that

[turbid dome]

You forgot 🇰🇷

🇯🇵

[shell hemlock]

you have said some questionable stuff before

[cerulean pivot]

Seriously
Who'd you crack

[turbid dome]

more like what crack did people smoke to come up with greece and iraq combo

[cerulean pivot]

The artist drew them as Femboys usually
Be thankful

[high rapids]

Do you believe in diffrent human races?

[cerulean pivot]

"Do you believe in numbers" ahh

Yeah What's your point

[turbid dome]

The tricknology is outdated 😭

[turbid dome]

As social constructs

[cerulean pivot]

Genes aren't only related to look and skin colors

[high rapids]

Pls answer my question

[cerulean pivot]

.

[turbid dome]

literally says yeah right below that

[high rapids]

I'm just curious

[high rapids]

I didn't saw it

[shell hemlock]

see

[high rapids]

Thanks

[shell hemlock]

you are most welcome

[high rapids]

?!??!?!?!

[shell hemlock]

you welcome most are

[high rapids]

I'm such a great person

[turbid dome]

Are most welcome you

[cerulean pivot]

Most are you welcome

[turbid dome]

welcome are you most

[shell hemlock]

so sick of that doofus sending his chopped pics in general 😔

bro why do some people even do that, sending their selfies as jumpscare in an active public general chat

[high rapids]

[frozen cape]

i'll try to send less

[high rapids]

Abdul left the server?

[wary oak]

Probably moderated for the denials earlier

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/nezuko-demon-slayer-nezuko-kamado-kimetsu-no-yaiba-gif-5833263962802383681

[vale jacinth]

Grow up guys.

[coral valley]

it seems to be chiller in here

than in the actual chill chat

[shell hemlock]

that’s cuz the major leagues got muted or left twin

[high rapids]

Because you haven´t met Abdul

[coral valley]

who's this legend

i keep stumbling upon that name

[high rapids]

He was our comrade

[coral valley]

party's over

[coral valley]

holy

[high rapids]

is diaz muted

@uncut tiger DIAZ

[uncut tiger]

Daddy's still here kitten

[high rapids]

"When the world needed him most, he disappeared."

[coral valley]

💀

[high rapids]

I thought you were gone

[wet basalt]

Hi

My favourite

[turbid dome]

They're so bad,

any other flavor is preferable

[wet basalt]

Why you don't love it?

That chips flavour is from lays

[coral valley]

plain crisps?

at some point i just stopped craving salty snacks and for some reason i never bought a pack of chips since then

maybe you haven't got a chance to taste a well-made one?

[wet basalt]

Have you ever tried spicy chips??

[uncut tiger]

Yogurt and herb but not vinegar, I think they have similar taste

[coral valley]

are you sure you like vinegar? or maybe that norwegian brand don't know much about real vinegar

[wet basalt]

It taste like a bit sour

[coral valley]

i use takis just for a side snack for something else, like a literal spice

[coral valley]

yoghurt chips???

DO you guys believe in second chances?

So would you give someone a second chance, even after they've messed up?

Like a friend who punched you, but felt regret

[slender coral]

I eat it with white cheese. Put white cheese in bread and then fill the bread piece with vinegar chips.

[turbid dome]

I refuse to eat them because they taste like fake stuff

[slender coral]

Wait, I thought this is #🍧｜food channel for a moment lmfao

You guys keep bringing food here Idk why.

[turbid dome]

Yeah bail on them that's too far

[coral valley]

They are smaller than me, i can't hurt my best friend, it didn't even hurt much, but it's the fact that he punched me in feat of anger that bothered me

[coral valley]

Damn

But i do care about my friend

[celest gorge]

Do you guys want to talk about our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ#

[turbid dome]

hungry, speaking of in about 20 minutes I'm going to make meatballs but Im going to spice them

[cerulean pivot]

لا

[coral valley]

I guess

[turbid dome]

not normal and not healthy. Ofc you don't want to leave your friend but It's not gonna work

[slender coral]

I don't mind that.

[celest gorge]

Protestant

[cerulean pivot]

You deserve better friends buddy

[celest gorge]

Are you a Christian?

[coral valley]

You think a friend wouldn't punch a close one right?

[slender coral]

I'm agnostic.

[celest gorge]

I see

[turbid dome]

If they punch you they don't care enough

[cerulean pivot]

Even an e punch is rude asf

[slender coral]

What makes you believe in Christianity?

[turbid dome]

👊 oops

[cerulean pivot]

[coral valley]

HAHAHHA

That e-joke made me r-laugh

[slender coral]

Why do we even have to take religions seriously? There are countless faiths, branches, and sects out there that if I concern myself with which of them is the true way I wouldn't be able to study them all and find it. It's obviously something that people used to just make, the claim of knowing the porpuse of life or how the metaphysical aspect of the world works doesn't deserve to be taken seriously everytime, because anyone can make it.

It's mind boggling too how Muslims and Christians talk about god as if it's the logical thing for such an entity to torture those who do not acknowledge its existence. I do not fear this possibility because it's both ridiculous and not even something common in the world of theism beyond Islam and Christianity.

[uncut tiger]

[frozen cape]

those who really get into it become rather obsessive, like it literally consumes their lives, it becomes their life so it makes sense that they won't st fu about it

[ocean stone]

Why people are serious here

[sick bronze]

a good balance in life is need obviously, you cannot only live according to your belief

you have to go beyond some imaginary boundaries people set due to their beliefs

[coral valley]

punch back?

[sick bronze]

guys please say congrats, I got my first kill on intel mac the other day

[coral valley]

I applaud

[soft needle]

hello hello

[slender coral]

Yeah very surprising, people caring about something that affects their lives both directly and indirectly, with a long history that has tons of dark moments, although they don't believe in it.

[soft needle]

what we talkin about

[fallow shard]

[coral valley]

Do you have problems with the concept of religion itself? Do you think there might be a creator in the beginning? Not related to any religions, just a cause to the universe, perhaps?

[soft needle]

alternatively, punch her

[slender coral]

Beyond online rants and discussions, religious people very often let their lives revolve around their religions and very often express that proudly.

[coral valley]

He is immature, i know him. We just spent so many years together, and he acted like that because of stress

I am not mad at him

[soft needle]

wait a min

[coral valley]

But i don't know if i can accept that behaviour

[soft needle]

who got hit

[thorny steeple]

Hello everyone!

[soft needle]

peace be upon you

[thorny steeple]

[coral valley]

Hit or hit on ;)))) (me)

[soft needle]

so did you get hit physically or hit on verbally there are two options here lol

[fallow shard]

Simply don't accept

[coral valley]

But it's hard, i know he wasn't always like this

He apologised, but really late

he thought he was in the right

[soft needle]

are you a guy or a girl

I feel like thats valuabe context

[ocean stone]

Guys do you think Manifestation can Take Place Without Reincarnation

[coral valley]

Oh we both boys

[slender coral]

How our universe came to existence is a mysterious matter that I think is not rational to make solid claims about.
I don't have a problem with religion as a concept that is having rituals, mantras, and something to get a community around. But I oppose the current common religions for how they often don't preserve human dignity and freedom and present a lot of fantastical claims with no evidence.

[fallow shard]

If he thinks he's right he won't change

[coral valley]

He ma best friend, was

[soft needle]

why not hit him back then and settle it like men? Is it a lovers quarrel?

I dont know where you're from but is that not the appropriate reaction?

[coral valley]

Well there are lots of denominations and schools of thoughts within those major religions, and they might offer evidence to their claims, but maybe you won't agree with their claims as they reference holy scriptures which might have ridiculous statements sometimes. Of course, it is ridiculous right before it gets true, then it seems ordinary

[thorny steeple]

Just downloaded this app i have no idea how to use it 😭

[ocean stone]

@slender coral hey did you debate Tark dhari btw he is in your friend iguess

[soft needle]

its kinda weird

[coral valley]

It happened in the past, we fought but our friends separated us

[fallow shard]

It's easy

[slender coral]

Who is that?

[soft needle]

okay but (no disrespect) are you gay or why didnt you find him later and fight

[coral valley]

It was a frustration thing, and i don't love him. He's my best friend however, and he has lots of problems in his life right now. I don't want to abandon a friend in need just because of bad behaviour

[coral valley]

IM NOT GAY Why are you ,aking it about love

[soft needle]

do you see why I'm asking the gay question

[coral valley]

bruh

You don't get it do ya

[ocean stone]

Well a Neo Hindu Guy Affiliated with Arya Samaj (a Hindu Monotheistic Group) keeps debating everywhere debunking Everyone

Well got no chill i saw him as a mutual friend to you

[soft needle]

No I don't thats why I'm asking

[dapper pier]

Hello there

[ocean stone]

So i asked

[coral valley]

We did fight but it's been several months since then

[coral valley]

i am definitely straight

[soft needle]

Again for what reason? over a girl?

typically its money or girls or respect or some variation of this that leads to fights

[coral valley]

He thinks i betrayed him

[soft needle]

how

[slender coral]

Neo Hindu? Hindutva supporter?

[coral valley]

He got bullied by some jerk in school in the past and i was friends with him and he got angry at that and we separated

[ocean stone]

Not really not a political ideology

[coral valley]

But that wasn't the fight's reason

[thorny steeple]

Yup its just that i am new here so i am getting to know this app

[soft needle]

I mean it is kinda sus that you're friends with a guy who bullies your friend

[ocean stone]

Neo Hindu: Reformist movement within hinduism.

[coral valley]

We were with our friends and we got together to play games in the park, but the game escalated and we started arguing over matters in class

[coral valley]

at that time i didn't know

plus i spent less time with my friend and he was going through shi

[soft needle]

Ah

[fallow shard]

You'll figure it out

[soft needle]

For context where are you guys from

[coral valley]

Kazakhstan

do you know the place?

[soft needle]

yes

[coral valley]

yo you're a native

[soft needle]

bro you're from Kazachstan fight in the street

[coral valley]

that's cool

[coral valley]

bruh we did

[thorny steeple]

Egypt

[coral valley]

you're acting like we're a mafia in kazakhstan

for context, are you older than 20?

[soft needle]

yes

[soft needle]

bro in Kazachstan you can fight in the street no problem

Are you from Astana?

[soft needle]

salam

[coral valley]

Yep, that's why we didn't get punished, even if it was a park for elders and children

[coral valley]

No. It seems like you're from Kazakhstan or Russia too

[soft needle]

Germany

[coral valley]

how you know bout astana

[soft needle]

It is beautiful

[thorny steeple]

Oh you know how to greet in Arabic, interesting!

[coral valley]

Assalamualeikum

[soft needle]

Indeed, are you a muslim or coptic Christian?

[soft needle]

I want to visit sometime

[thorny steeple]

Wa alikumalsalam!

[coral valley]

Wowww

[thorny steeple]

I am a muslim,but we have many christians for sure

[coral valley]

My friend is in Astana and i'm in a different city right now, you might meet him there lol

[coral valley]

Cute pfp

[wary oak]

Bruh im american and know about your little nation

[soft needle]

In the Quran it says that the Christians are the closest allies of the Muslims

[coral valley]

kazakhstan?

[soft needle]

Kazachstan is not little at all bro

[wary oak]

due to the large amount of khazaks that study abroad

[soft needle]

Its enormous

[coral valley]

exactly

[wary oak]

Yeah man I know like 6 khazaks

[coral valley]

kazakhs*

[wary oak]

from uni

[coral valley]

9th in the world

[wary oak]

To me

[coral valley]

bro keeps saying khhhh

[thorny steeple]

Thank you ^^

[coral valley]

usa ain't that big dawg

[soft needle]

I mean if I were from Kazachstan I would also want to study in the USA

[wary oak]

bigger

[soft needle]

The USA is bigger correct

[coral valley]

USA is too chaotic. Gun laws and crime rates

[wary oak]

Yeah one of my friends from school married a kazakh

[coral valley]

Could never understand the appeal

[thorny steeple]

You know alot😂

[coral valley]

lucky guy

[wary oak]

Deadassssss had two marriage ceremonies one in moscow one in kazakhstan

[coral valley]

kazakhstan mentioned

[soft needle]

No one actually wants to go there bro just South/Central Americans who come from places that are even worse

[coral valley]

mexican immigrants

[wary oak]

Lol fake

[frozen cape]

I wanna visit KZ

[wary oak]

We get a ton of immigrants from China

[coral valley]

yooooooooo

[soft needle]

I also know who the enemies are but I will not say who they are because you already know

[wary oak]

And russian and ukraine and armenia

[coral valley]

I will prepare our traditional tea for all you guys

if you come here

[coral valley]

guess why russia and ukraine have so many immigrants in us...

[soft needle]

not fake, Europe looks at the USA like its a barbaric country full of violence

because, to be fair, it is

[wary oak]

At least we didnt allow our country to become foreign

[coral valley]

germany streets are so clean

[wary oak]

It was that since the beginning

[thorny steeple]

They are so many that i dont know which one u talking about?u mean the one beside us?

[soft needle]

I mean the USA was founded by foreigners

[frozen cape]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-jerry-the-mouse-jerry-shake-hands-handshake-gif-17827738

[wary oak]

.

[soft needle]

Jews and Polytheists

[wary oak]

Thats odd

[soft needle]

depends

[wary oak]

I thought europeans were smart

[soft needle]

Is it?

[coral valley]

where are you from?

[coral valley]

i mean the villages look neat

[soft needle]

yes they are very nice

[coral valley]

black roofs traditional villages are bombastic

[frozen cape]

Do you have a map handy

[wary oak]

I dont wanna do the whole americas really big shpiel again

[coral valley]

in my brain maybe

[wary oak]

every states basically the size of an eu country

yeah some states are shitholes but a lot arent

[soft needle]

Many are shitholes bro

[coral valley]

which one's the best for education?

[wary oak]

MA

[soft needle]

MA

[wary oak]

I mean in mine we have socialized healthcare and free college

[coral valley]

See, you guys are agreeing

[soft needle]

you in Minnesota or something?

[wary oak]

And also heavily funded schools

No i’m from Boston lol

[coral valley]

USA is basically Massachusetts + a couple of lesser states

so pretty good package

[soft needle]

Boasten

[coral valley]

what's your opinion on guns

[wary oak]

I want one

[coral valley]

hahhaha

[soft needle]

Do you sound like a Bostonian? I once called the Harvard University Mathematics Department and the guy that answered the phone had this thick Boston accent

[coral valley]

brutal

[wary oak]

Nope, im originally from a coastal region but moved here for school and now work

That accent is rare among under 30 years old and is really only present in certain towns

[coral valley]

driving the caghh

[soft needle]

Understandable

[coral valley]

millenials

[soft needle]

It was still quite funny I was expecting a stern professor voice

[coral valley]

stern bosnian accent

it feels so funky to talk with older people

[soft needle]

He kinda sounded like the guys from Good Will Hunting

[wary oak]

Best movie of all time

[coral valley]

holy nato friendship

[soft needle]

Will Hunting gotta be one of the goofiest geniuses ever bro

[coral valley]

Usa and Germany treaty

[coral valley]

i haven't watched it

should give it a try if you both are so keen on it

[soft needle]

I do not care much for his character

I like the therapist though

Robin Williams is goated

[coral valley]

good actor

[slender coral]

The Quran says this, but Islamic scholarly sets a group of discriminatory rules against both Jews and Christians called the rules of Ahlul-Dhimma. The people of the book (e.g. Christians, Jews, etc) are ought to follow them when living in a Muslim country, and their blood could be spilled and their families can be enslaved if they don't abide by them.

[wary oak]

It’s very good

In my head the cannon sequel to it is Rounders (1999)

[soft needle]

Well then this group goes against the Quran. The Quran takes precedent over every other source

[wary oak]

Matt Damon is a law graduate student in New York but is simultaneously a poker genius burn out

[coral valley]

yoo poker mentioned

i think it's worth going to america for poker

[wary oak]

Yeah i used to main 1/3

[coral valley]

poker is so fun

[wary oak]

until i got set over set for 2k usd and quit

Pocket 4 vs pocket 9 flop 49K flush draw

[coral valley]

absolute cinema(bad beat)

[wary oak]

Turn 7s i jammed into a 500 pot and omc called w 99

[coral valley]

i like you magic words

[wary oak]

Dude i could talk poker for days

[coral valley]

teach me broo

[wary oak]

I recently quit because i lost like 10k between jul-sep

horrendous variance

[coral valley]

how did you learn?

[wary oak]

I started playing in college with my friends during covid

[coral valley]

for real money?

[wary oak]

Then i got really into vlogs and started going to private games and progressed to casinos

[slender coral]

The Quran never says that's wrong though. Saying that Christians are better than Jews is not the same as saying they shouldn't be forced to submit to Islamic rule, nothing in the Quran clearly contradicts that.

[wary oak]

ye real money

[coral valley]

you're so cool unc

[wary oak]

i go to a ‘friendly’ game every so often where u can win or lose a grand or more in one night it aint a joke

I also personally know some of the bigger poker vloggers from my area

[coral valley]

can i practice poker without actually spending money?

[wary oak]

yes theres games

Hdpoker on steams good, poker championship on mobile/pc is good, pokerstars has a play money feature

[coral valley]

Thank you!

[wary oak]

If you like poker u should watch rounders it’s like the best poker movie ever made

[coral valley]

all in and rounders

[wary oak]

never heard of all in

[coral valley]

yep that's what my friends said

all in is chris moneymaker's story in a movie

[wary oak]

but molly’s game is decent as well, Mississippi grind is moreso a degen gambling movie

Oh i saw that, that includes his famous hand vs ivey where he rivers a boat vs 99

[coral valley]

IVEY

Phil ivey the staring man

yo i need to watch more poker

[coral valley]

rounders or hunter willing first

[wary oak]

Good will hunting

[coral valley]

i kinda relate poker to math idk if that's correct

[coral valley]

ok

GOODNIGHT guys

Hope y'all setllte your debates and actually learn some english today

[wary oak]

Yeah math’s a big part of it, calculating pot odds and spr and stuff, EV (expected value)

Theres exploitative style of play and mathematical play

It can get deep depending on how one prefers to play, loose , tight, aggro, passive

[soft needle]

There is no compulsion in religion according to the Quran

[manic juniper]

Welcome back Abdul

[cursive sphinx]

Blud exposing him

[hidden shore]

religion topic never outdated in this chat

[slender coral]

And there's no compulsion in religion under Sharia law. It just makes it clear for the "infidels" that they are wrong, following the Quranic verse describing believers:
Muḥammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those with him are firm with the disbelievers and compassionate with one another. [From Quran 48:29]

[soft needle]

Well yeah by religious definition according to the Quran the non muslims are wrong

[slender coral]

And based on that they are ought to be treated "firmly" according to Sharia.

[soft needle]

does firmly mean fairly?

[slender coral]

Afaik, the laws come from Umar's pact, a pact that one of Mohamed's companions called Umar made with the Christian population of a land he conquered. The laws were humiliating, and later on Muslim scholars kept calling to apply them or even making them more extreme. Ibn al-Qayyim in his book The Rules Of Ahlul-Dhimma أحكام أهل الذمة spoke about how some scholars went as far as making non-Muslim subjects go to outside the spots where they pay the Jeziah and get dragged from there to where they pay it, he opposed that but I guess this reveales to us what kind of mentality religious scholars have.

[slender coral]

Muslim fundamentalists would tell you it's fair. What are fair and unfair are highly subjective.

[soft needle]

Well they are extremists

[slender coral]

By today's standards, yes they are. But for medieval Muslims, they weren't. We contempt stuff like this today because of how secularized the world around us is and how life, freedom, and dignity are more valued regardless of religious identity.

[soft needle]

Belief and interpretation evolves over time

[slender coral]

Well, that doesn't change the texts suck balls.

[manic juniper]

I had a Pirates of the Caribbean film downloaded since 2019

I watched it tonight and deleted it
At least I have some alternatives left

They are giving him two cancers in advance

[slender coral]

I'm not a spoiled western brat. I've been abused and saw abuse growing up as a result of how religion doesn't address parenting often and when it does it gives messed up advices, and now I cannot express my beliefs irl because of how suppressive a religious environment is. I cannot live my life the way I want away from its influences, it's very difficult to have a relationship with someone who isn't religious because they are difficult to find amid this and if you do it got to be secretive. I can't adopt children as I want too because Islam prohibits it.

And if I have children, I won't be able to protect them from getting indoctrinated.

[novel dirge]

I think the problem isnt the religion itself but what people does with it and use it to justify their act. I see it like communism for exemple , under Staline or Mao many people were abuse killed and indoctrinated , why ? For me it just because the one who have the power just want to use it for themselves and using idea of though such as religion or politics idea (sometimes it s the same) is a way to take the power and maintain it. Because when we have a doctrine where you cant go against it is easy to justify everything and frome this you can do what you want

[turbid dome]

Joined today. May actually be him because texting is similar

Abdul 252

[manic juniper]

Reminds me of those bullshit names they have in Eastern European countries
Elena, Jelena, Yelena, Helena, Lena, Alina, Olenka, literally no creativity whatsoever

[turbid dome]

All just variations of the same thing 😭

[torpid dirge]

Might not be his/ her parents

Could be relatives

Wanted to hang out with baby

[slender coral]

I think the problem is the religion itself because no texts oppose harmful practices and actually many of them encourage bad things or even command them.

[thorny steeple]

Agreed

Yesss hbu??

[wary oak]

LOL

[thorny steeple]

Okay nice to meet you bro

I see many people joined this app for years,while i asked chat gpt to suggest an app to practice English and i just knew about discord

[manic juniper]

Welcome back Abdul

[thorny steeple]

As a Muslim or as a girl in arab society dealing with the middle eastern culture?

Damn who said that?😭😭😭😭

People having different beliefs of mine doesn't give me the right to kill them,same thing with gays

They dont harm me,idc,i am not god to judge them i just dont care

Many people in my country believe in Christianity,we live happily together for centuries,we care and protect each other so if you meet someone who thinks this way,no this is not normal

[fallow shard]

[thorny steeple]

Nah not really

[wary oak]

Damn

[slender coral]

Not much is said about hitting or yelling at your children which is in of itself problematic. Islam interferes with plenty of aspects of the individual's life so if something is ignored it would be fair to assume that it's not problematic to be addressed, and more importantly hitting children was actually addressed. One Hadith says:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old......

And for adoption, it's prohibited. What you are referring, I'm guessing is called Kafalah which is a system where you can have a child, but gender segregation rules are still to be applied. They don't force that here in Egypt upon people, thankfully, but people would get weirded by it because for many Muslims out there a man and a woman with no blood relationship nor milk siblings being together would certainly mean they'd fuck each other, or be tempted to do it. A person playing the caregiver role Islamically speaking should still not look at their female child if they are a man or wear the Hijab in front of their male child if they are a woman.
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:495

[turbid dome]

It’s not a lifestyle but it means you’re not restricted by religious texts

[thorny steeple]

Its not that terrible like getting kidnapped or getting killed,but the person is prob gonna face alot of hate

Not because of islam ,its because of the culture and the society

[manic juniper]

Who are the majority

[slender coral]

Speaking of this. @fresh flower

2014 assassination attempt and arrest
According to media reports, Harkan and his pregnant wife, Nada Mandour (Sally) Harkan, survived an assassination attempt on the evening of 25 October 2014. Harkan managed to flee with his wife after receiving some injuries and went to the Alhanafie–Alajlany police station to report the incident, along with their friend Karim Jimy.[3] The attackers chasing them told the police Harkan had "insulted Islam and compared the Prophet to Islamic State" on television.[1] Instead of taking action to help Harkan and his wife and his friend, the police officers further assaulted them[11] and they were imprisoned and charged with blasphemy and "defamation of religion" under article 98 in the Egyptian penal code for asking "What has ISIS done that Muhammad did not do?” on an Egyptian television talk show.[8] Harkan's lawyer was humiliated and kicked out of the police station.[3] After 24 hours in detention,[1] Ahmad and Sally Harkan and their friend Jimy were released, and charges against them were dropped.[3] However, they had to move to a different house to avoid threats and abuse.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Harkan#Activism

[thorny steeple]

Killing a soul is a big sin in my religion, either the person is Muslim or not, unless someone is trying to attack you like war,you have the right to fight back ofc

[thorny steeple]

Majority Of what exactly?

[turbid dome]

So hitting if they’re 10 or older and don’t pray is recommended? Gross

[manic juniper]

Religious majority

[turbid dome]

💀💀💀

[slender coral]

The Quran allows men to hit their wives, so it's not surprising to see something like this.

[turbid dome]

That’s true

[thorny steeple]

Sorry?😭

[thorny steeple]

No its not common to meet people who think like that but they still exist

[turbid dome]

They’re asking what religion the majority is

[manic juniper]

No I'm asking if there are more Christians or Muslims

[thorny steeple]

Oh sorry, muslims are the majority in Egypt compared to christians

[manic juniper]

[thorny steeple]

We have about 20m of Christians(my bsf is christian btw)

[turbid dome]

Egypt has like half that in christians tho

[slender coral]

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. [from Quran 4:34]

[turbid dome]

It means take them to play baseball and strike them out, duh.

Smh

[slender coral]

https://surahquran.com/tafsir-english-aya-34-sora-4.html

[torpid dirge]

Quite of misinformation you got in it

Misinterpretation*

[slender coral]

I swear to fucking god the amount of stupidity in quran.com translation is unbelievable. It says hit them "gently" lmao
Aside from how stupid the suggestion is, nowhere in the verse it says this. I'm an Arabic speaker but you can go ahead open the verse in quran.com and offer over the Arabic words, the web application shows each word's meaning.

[torpid dirge]

Should have been more specific

[frozen cape]

Take a wild guess

[thorny steeple]

Thats immature action!if you dont believe in islam then at least respect it,if i dont believe in Christianity then does this mean i can disrespect Christians??!hell nah

[slender coral]

Idk what to tell you honestly if you have no issue with abusing kids.
Kafalah isn't adoption, under adoption you can live normally with your child, while with kafalah you cannot. Different sexes requires minimizing warm interactions, fathers cannot hug their daughters and mothers cannot hug their sons, they can't stay together alone in the same place, and they have to wear ver modest clothing together. Kafalah basically revolves more around financial support rather than a parent/child relationship.

[manic juniper]

They're uncounted

They could be a lot less or a lot more but 10 millions is the best estimate

[wary oak]

Florida

[thorny steeple]

Strike them??? ﴿وَإِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ أَن تَقْصُرُوا مِنَ الصَّلَاةِ﴾ (النساء: 101)
The verb ضرب in quran doesn't mean abuse,the words in arabic sometimes doesn't have the same meaning!!the aya i used means "and when you travel throughout the land" not"beating the land"

[torpid dirge]

Because every scriptures and Hadith in islam have different interpretations or understanding over around vast of mejority companion who written it not just they saw prophet to do that and saying that and the other simple issue is that ancient arebic language along with it's dialect has been broadly known since people started to speak it so every word and narration which had stated during prophet time has different various interpretation or contextual meaning you can't just justify one Hadith with particular one tafseer( explanation)

[slender coral]

By a group of an angry Muslim mob, and got assaulted in the police station and his lawyer got humiliated.*
Yeah, totally normal. It's also very normal that Sherif Gaber recently got 9 years sentence for "inciting to atheism" and it's also totally normal that Harakan isn't the only one who got an assassination attempt.

[thorny steeple]

Men in charge of women means that they should protect the house,the women and the children, spending money on them,more responsible,not that the man is superior to the woman physically, morally, mentally, or even superficially!!

[slender coral]

What does the verb mean here then? Travel through the woman? 😅

Enlighten me

[manic juniper]

Damn those women must be on the bigger side

[thorny steeple]

Forsake them in bed,not beating them,you only looked for the explanation that was good enough for you to insult islam,you liked that kind of explanation,am i wrong?

Do you think women are stupid to believe in a religion that insults them?

You probably listen to the sheikh explaining this aya,a man explaining the quran,The sheikhs have a male bias, interpreting the Quran only from the perspective that pleases them☺️

[manic juniper]

Given how we have poor people defending rich people who don't care about them at all... Yes, it's possible

[slender coral]

[first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them.
وَاللَّاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ ۖ
Two distinct phases addressed.

[thorny steeple]

Again?😂😂

You already hate islam,what the use of putting alot of energy to discuss it with you, believe whatever you want i am tired,lol

[slender coral]

Yasta you translated strike them واضربوهن as forsake them in bed when it was mentioned already in the verse واهجروهن في المضاجع.

[thorny steeple]

Oh yasta?انت مصري يعني

[slender coral]

Yea

[thorny steeple]

طب وسايبني اهري بالانجليزي ليه

[slender coral]

Because it's an English space

Don't speak in Arabic so the mods don't lose their minds lol

[thorny steeple]

I cant😂😂😂😂😂

[slender coral]

Islam at best doesn't have a strong position on abuse, and it's actually tolerant of it to some extent. Yeah extreme stuff are prohibited, but it's not enough.

[thorny steeple]

Alrightyy

I dont see you blaming those non muslims who abuse their wife or grape them or insult them as much as you are hating on Quran btw

Omggg yessss

[turbid dome]

Yeah they said 20 which seems high

[thorny steeple]

Egypt has more than 110 of Egyptians 20m of Christians are less than 20% of Egyptian people so its not that high

Idk how to describe it 😭 just salty fish, you never had it?

[slender coral]

I'd suggest you to try to apply this way of thinking on the religion itself. Mohamed was a man, sent by a god who only gave prophethood and ruling roles to men. It's a sexist religion from the start. Read this Hadith where a woman is beaten until her skin turned green and Mohamed weren't concerned with it. Aisha said "believing women are treated the worst" in the middle of it.

Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5825

[turbid dome]

20 is double the best guess we have though

[thorny steeple]

Then you should be right

Just googled it and it says between 10m and 15m

[fallow shard]

[thorny steeple]

Sorrayy

[thorny steeple]

Damn u still there?😭😭Lets just move on from this topic😭

We are already talking about fesikh,have u tried it?

[slender coral]

Because why would I do it? Everyone knows that's wrong but Muslims get special treatment. In the west they cry Islamophobia at anyone who would criticize their beliefs and practices and that silences many, and in Muslim countries they kill, imprison, and suppress people for criticizing their beliefs.
This doesn't apply to all Muslims of course, mods don't come and cry at me, but it's a problem we see commonly in the Muslim world which I still live in it unfortunately. So, it's an important topic that often goes unaddressed, and it's something relevant to me. You are just not used seeing your beliefs getting challenged so the problem is on your side.

[thorny steeple]

I never had a problem of discussing it,you insulted my religion and i have the right to defend it,thats a normal reaction tho
And i am used to it actually because most of my friends are not even Muslims,you had the choice to discuss it nicely but you chose to be disrespectful so dont blame me

oh a religious debate?

[turbid dome]

Nothing new 😭

[thorny steeple]

i see....so which religion this time?

[turbid dome]

Islam

[wary oak]

Someones always writing paragraphs about islam

[thorny steeple]

This is not the first time?

[wary oak]

This is this chat 24/7

[thorny steeple]

oooh and against it?

[turbid dome]

There’s both for and against here

[slender coral]

You discuss religion with your non-Muslim friends? If yes, I don't think this is a normal thing in Egypt, you are an exception.
Now for the disrespect part, I didn't mean to disrespect you but you gotta understand the difference between respecting someone and respecting religion. Tell me, would you be ok with having a Shai شيعي friend?

[thorny steeple]

oh i have witnessed many ...but new here

[quartz furnace]

If anyone here needs help getting more visibility for their eBook, I offer ethical, targeted promotion.
My DMs are open if you’re curious or want details.

[north sapphire]

Sahīh al-Bukhārī

About (marrying) several women

Narrated Anas: The Prophet (ﷺ) used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.

Reference: Sahīh al-Bukhārī 5068

[turbid dome]

Currently it’s the “here’s what the text says” argument vs the “you shouldn’t be allowed to say that, it’s outrageous” argument

[thorny steeple]

ohh so intra religion belief disputes

[slender coral]

Omfg Nobu is here

[turbid ivy]

🤔

[turbid dome]

Not currently

[slender coral]

[thorny steeple]

i seee usually thats what happens

[turbid dome]

Yup

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/george-bush-angry-shoe-throw-dodge-gif-5298606

[thorny steeple]

My religion is a part of me ,wdym? And i have my Chinese atheist and Buddhist friends,why would i mind to have a shai friend?they chose their own beliefs which is non of my business,i am not picking people depending on what religion they believe in

[thorny steeple]

oooh and wbu? a spectator?

[turbid dome]

Rarely interjecting mainly to poke fun

[thorny steeple]

fun in religious debates ..i advise never say that u might be pulled badly in it

[turbid dome]

Why is it that they choose their beliefs… almost like an ideology like liberalism, conservatism, fascism, or communism. But for you it’s part of you and not just an opinion?

[turbid ivy]

Khyah

[turbid dome]

I’m fine with getting pulled in

[thorny steeple]

pulled badly is a diff thing

[turbid dome]

Ehh I’ve survived it before

[slender coral]

Shia beliefs are inherntly insulting to Sunni beliefs. They believe some of Mohamed's companions were evil and they have many chants of insults and disrepsect to Mohamed's companions, الصحابة. Are you ok with that? If yes, you are an exception. The problem I'm trying to point out here is that it's impossible to have a serious religion discussion without getting someone involved feeling offended.

[thorny steeple]

ahh nicee

[thorny steeple]

I was answering nicely until he said"stupidity in quran" do you think thats an opinion i should respect about my OWN religion? Calling my holy book stupid means that i am also a stupid because i believe in it,ofc i should feel offended

I dont mind him discussing what he doesn't like about my religion,i totally respect,but without offending

[thorny steeple]

wrong at the last part dude....u can have different beliefs but you can either chose to accept diff opinions beliefs peacefully or make a scene of it to brush you religious intellect superior...difference is there

[north sapphire]

Sahīh al-Bukhārī

Giving one's young children in marriage

Narrated ʿAisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Reference: Sahīh al-Bukhārī 5133

[thorny steeple]

Guys isn't that server about practicing English or am i wrong?

[thorny steeple]

hmm validdd

[turbid ivy]

Khyah 🤔

[manic juniper]

Debates are a good way to practice

[thorny steeple]

Practicing ideas is included too

[thorny steeple]

well you are technically cuz debate helps in that

[turbid dome]

That’s not the point I was making… like at all.

Also a bit interesting to leave it at“stupidity in Quran” when it was specifically “stupidity in Quran.com translations”. So he was calling the translations stupid, not the Quran

[manic juniper]

You learn things about Islam and Jews on this channel
And you learn about dating in general chat

[thorny steeple]

ohhhh

[manic juniper]

This channel unironically made me a nationalist ngl

[turbid ivy]

Dating lol that's crazy
What do you learn about Jews

[thorny steeple]

It made me selfish

[turbid ivy]

The Bible is the most amazing book

[slender coral]

And for me it's never about proving supriority. But still, I could insult religion sometimes, not necessarily because I think I'm suprior to you, but because I think your beliefs are wrong.
Just like how one could mock political ideologies such as liberalism, conservatism, communism, etc....

[turbid dome]

A xenoultranationalist? Or a Finnish nationalist

[manic juniper]

As it should be

[manic juniper]

Finnish nationalist, it happened when someone spoke about Israel's achievements over my country's so I looked it up out of curiosity

[turbid ivy]

[turbid dome]

Rip

[manic juniper]

Now I'm a nationalist whenever Israel is involved, my country simply is superior, militarily and scientifically

[slender coral]

What about morally?

[manic juniper]

All because I didn't even think it had more achievements than Israel, until I looked it up

[turbid dome]

Finland is a billion times more moral

[manic juniper]

A lot more (but it's not a paragon of morality)

I mean it's like talking about mammalian morals vs amphibians

[turbid dome]

Devil actually just quoted this lol

[manic juniper]

Amphibians aren't the most moral, but mammals are laying at the bottom of the barrel

[turbid ivy]

Khyah good

[turbid dome]

If I become a Finnish nationalist could I get citizenship

[manic juniper]

Btw I feel like a lot of countries beat Israel on per capita achievements

[thorny steeple]

ok you think others beliefs are wrong..thats where u r wrong...beliefs especially religious ones are supposedly DIFFERENT not WRONG....you were exposed to your religion at first.... you accepted it ....had it been you were exposed to other religion at birth u would have walked a different path religiously....religious practises can be sometimes morally wrong..but u cant wrong a belief

[manic juniper]

Egypt has a ridiculously long track record for example if that counts

[turbid dome]

Most of Israel’s achievements were funded by the UK and US, and involved mostly the US doing the work and Israel taking credit.

[manic juniper]

Probably not

[turbid dome]

What if I fix your fiber optic

[manic juniper]

Yes, which is impressive when I found out that my country of primitives achieved a bit more when it never had any of that

Definitely justifies the nationalism

Can you imagine getting beaten by Finland
Actually yes, they can't win against untrained Arabs even

[turbid dome]

I mean, it’s impossible for all stuff to be correct. Because if Islam says Muhammad is the last prophet and Mormonism says Muhammad isn’t a prophet and Joseph smith is the latest prophet, then they both can’t be true

It’s the urge to be diplomatic instead of honest imo

[thorny steeple]

thats why i am atheist

[thorny steeple]

what do u think atheist means?

[turbid dome]

They’re losing to like groups of 5 guys popping out of half destroyed tunnels with a few guns. If you look at the Hamas footage it’s even more astounding

[turbid dome]

Doesn’t believe in god

[manic juniper]

Yes guys with paragliders on their backs, just flying across with giant fans

This is the most makeshift technology I've ever seen

[gloomy frost]

._. really? I have some belief for you, I think genocide is good and it should be allowed, now it's just a different belief not wrong.

[manic juniper]

I'm surprised they don't have someone called the sandy death or something, a Palestinian sniper racking up many kills using only his old man's hunting rifle and a book of prayers

[turbid dome]

It’s actually crazy how the armored troop carriers and tanks are losing to a guy in slippers walking up with a shitty handmade explosive charge

[slender coral]

Islam is one of those religions where the whole thing is about proving others wrong. Quran and other Islamic texts often speak in a very nasty way about those who hold different beliefs than Islam.

[thorny steeple]

not really ....i believe in an omnipotent entity that exists...its like i dont follow any particular religion but respects all of them

[manic juniper]

That's not atheism, it's deism

[turbid dome]

That wouldn’t be atheism then

[thorny steeple]

thats religious? thats more like a cult or something

[gloomy frost]

That's an deist.

Not atheist

[turbid dome]

Why couldn’t it be religious? If in a Christian framework god is always good, and god commanded multiple genocides, then isn’t that religious?

[thorny steeple]

hmm ohk welll here people like to describe it as atheist ...ok new term learnt

[thorny steeple]

Genocide is an act not a belief

[slender coral]

And there's a distinction between respecting someone and respecting their opinions. The first is supposed to be a requirement while the latter isn't. Many religious folk out there though, especially in the Muslim world, have no respect to those who disagree with them, nor their freedoms, and often not even their lives.

[turbid dome]

But believing it’s good is a belief

[gloomy frost]

It is, Infact I have seen religions who talks about "purifying" the world.

[thorny steeple]

ohk

[gloomy frost]

It is an belief, Many believe in their own righteousness, So do I.

[manic juniper]

Theism=belief in god/gods (religious)
Atheism=non-belief in god/gods
Deism=belief in higher power/god/gods

[thorny steeple]

i did mention above morally wrong religious practises....

[thorny steeple]

Ok . I believe in something i know it’s bad ..

[thorny steeple]

oh man not really distinguishable..please elaborteee🙏

[manic juniper]

Usually in Greek or Latin you add "a-" before something to tell absence or opposite of a concept

Gnostic=someone with knowledge
Agnostic=someone who doesn't know

[gloomy frost]

You can, It's your choice, you may think it's bad but who decided when something is evil or good, Just some random people who haven't lived life like you did.

[thorny steeple]

Makes sense

[thorny steeple]

ofc there were religions which practised cannibalism before ...and you know there are some parts of world thats still practise animal life offerings in the name of gods...again this is a practise that was a result of misled informations but you wont say that their belief in god is wrong..yeah there act / practise is DEFINETELY WRONG

[thorny steeple]

that ik i mean theism and deism

[turbid dome]

Why can’t we say their belief in gods is wrong?

[manic juniper]

A theist is someone who believes in a particular religion or God, a deist believes in the concept only instead

[thorny steeple]

yeah then ig deist it is

[manic juniper]

You are a deist because you don't believe in Deivas, Allah, Amaterasu

I'm a theist because I believe in Sobek, the ancient crocodile god

[gloomy frost]

So the act can be wrong? Who decided that? Even wolfs hunts the sheep, it doesn't mean that wolfs are doomed for hell, if you look at it from a higher perspective we are just animals, Killing other animals, I see nothing wrong with that.

[thorny steeple]

Yo, Sup!

[thorny steeple]

Within limits!

What the fk is goin on?

:))(((

[gloomy frost]

And who sets those limits? Humans, but animals don't, we are just delusional.

[thorny steeple]

according to me....cause belief in gods for human is usually ... a hope they find in an omnipotent being when things go wrong ...a feeling of fear too that is ingested to them by people with ulterior motives ...and that fear is something that not lets them differentiate whats morally wrong and correct.....for an instance i was from childhood taught that if i dont uk bow down pray before an important event...no matter how much hard i have worked my work will get ruined.....my effort is useles if i dont pray...thats fear and fear makes people do anything

[wary oak]

Society decided it

[thorny steeple]

:Anyone fuckin FBI?

[wary oak]

Society’s labels

[wary oak]

Probably I mean this place is huge.. i doubt one would out themselves though

[thorny steeple]

Damn I didn't think of that one😭

[gloomy frost]

Yes, you got that right ~ but it's all in our heads, No actual morals exist in reality, Just our imaginations.

[thorny steeple]

They don’t have time for Discord

[thorny steeple]

Have you ever tried creating a malware?

[thorny steeple]

and from that higher perspective ..we are advanced and intelligent animals who have the knowledge about every one has the right to suvive..no offense you sounded like u have little criminal inclined mindset idk

[slender coral]

I did. Was very basic though.

[thorny steeple]

Nah,have u?

[slender coral]

I'm still learning ethical hacking.

[thorny steeple]

Have you tried bash or go?

[thorny steeple]

ooooh

[thorny steeple]

Hell yeah, But wanna stole the malware from FBI database.

[wary oak]

Morals and intelligence go hand in hand I’d say

[slender coral]

I'm beginner so Idk what's that lol
I made it using Python and msfvenom under the instructions of some Udemy instructor.

[wary oak]

Makes no sense

[thorny steeple]

U sure it's ethical?

[wary oak]

Bash is like a terminal i think?

I have light experience in sql injecting with java

And social engineering

[thorny steeple]

Python malwares are shit. Easy to get detected.

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jade-thirlwall-angel-of-my-gif-3772851334287182507

[gloomy frost]

No, Listen, For an animal who's going to kill you and eat you alive, it doesn't actually care about your "advanced intelligence" so for survival it's worthless, A lion doesn't care about your worth, You don't have more worth than animals, We are still just animals in the end with a bit of delusion.

[thorny steeple]

lol

[slender coral]

C++ is suitable for this right?

[thorny steeple]

You're right. It doesn't make sense for losers.

[wary oak]

It depends, actually using python is fine

[gloomy frost]

No it doesn't, Even dolphins are intelligent but they "molest" other animals and even use drugs, As a matter of fact dolphins are evil, When they are the second most intelligent living being on earth.

[wary oak]

I dont think the language ur using to write ur malware is necessarily that important

[thorny steeple]

C++ is just an average language for that.

It's not a high end language for creating the deadliest one.

[thorny steeple]

i dont getwhat u wanna conclude?

[wary oak]

Yeah i mean , theyre animals

[gloomy frost]

Well, That we are don't have more worth than an animals, what's the point of all this intelligence, In an higher perspective we are still doing evil and exploiting the planet for our desires.

[gloomy frost]

So we are, Tell me what truly separates us from an "animal" you say?

[wary oak]

Consciousness and language

[thorny steeple]

agreed .....but that higher perspective make u hate life or cherish it?

[wary oak]

chimps for example are highly social creatures with memories better than us, who form social bonds for 10+ years

Theyre still ruthless to each other, even old friends

[manic juniper]

It's impossible to prove that consciousness is unique to us

[wary oak]

I firmly believe stoned ape theory

[thorny steeple]

true

[manic juniper]

Chimps are overrated and aggressive

[slender coral]

Hey @thorny steeple
اختلاف الأراء لا يفسد للود قضية
A lot of Muslim folk get angry at me for how critical I am to Islam, and many assume I hate Muslims. But in reality that's not the case, as I said before disrespecting beliefs is not the same as disrespecting people. People can differ strongly in their beliefs. You have Sunnis and Shias, Christians and Jews, some Christians even find certainly aspects of Islam offensive to them. In the light of all of that, we should tolerate each other's differences.
I don't hate Muslim folk. If you stick around here for a while you'd find me criticizing bigotry against Muslims and criticizing governments that wrong Muslims such as the Israeli and the Chinese governments, you can ask older members about my positions.

[manic juniper]

Parrots are where it's at

[wary oak]

Some of our early ancestors ate some shrooms growing out of dung and developed higher thinking

[gloomy frost]

It makes me question it, Not cherish, nor hate, just question.

[slender coral]

What's the best one then? C?

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-shapiro-fact-check-true-gif-20427172

[slender coral]

Here you have it. @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Rust and Go are great option for creating the deadliest one.

[slender coral]

Why is that?

[thorny steeple]

then its good...quetsioning things around us is good..tho i dont agree with that particular higher perspective kinda but i respect ur pov

[torpid dirge]

Do you know the difference between faith and believe right?

[thorny steeple]

Cuz the malwares that get created with both of those languages are undetectable and they can bypass any firewall easily.

[thorny steeple]

please no more religious debate...and yes ik

[gloomy frost]

And what difference does it truly make? It still only in our head, Like you probably live in a country let's say for example Russia, Now you are born in Russia and you can't leave it without permits, But does a hawk really care about borders? No it goes just through, Then who are we to decide when a countries territory ends and now there's a new land? It's all just earth, we are like ants that are trapped in a circle thinking there's something stopping us from moving but it's just an illusion.

[manic juniper]

There are people blocking borders because it's their job, that's a real obstacle

[thorny steeple]

interesting topic. are u guys talking about religious faith or just faith in general?

[torpid dirge]

No I'm not going to but based on your previous msg you have mentioned that "fear" Makes PPL to believe right ?

[gloomy frost]

Not necessarily, I can question reality itself, I can't be sure if I am actually alive or dead, Or if I am living in an illusion or reality, If I start questioning them, It will make me go mad.

[torpid dirge]

Yeah but not that kind of illogical arguments

[slender coral]

Yeah I get this, but why do we reach this result. What are the traits of these languages that make their malware harder to detect?

[thorny steeple]

Hey,i respect ur opinion and i respect you,and i dont have any beef with you, I've explained my point before that you showed disrespect trying to explain something you dont agree with in Quran,my point wasn't you disagree with my opinion at all,فوق دماغي النقاش معاك,its just like how i explained earlier,
And almost everyone find Israel's behavior is terrible,not supporting Israel is not a special action,its the normal action to do as a human with empathy and mercy but i appreciate it tho

[manic juniper]

Just my two cents but since they are less popular it could be harder to detect the malicious code if it's being analysed by an antivirus

[slender coral]

I know it's a normal thing. I just wanted to clarify that I don't hate Muslims because for some reason some Muslims assume this about me.

[thorny steeple]

no no u got it wrong

[manic juniper]

For example I have a program on my two computers that was perceived as a malware until I whitelisted it just because of a function it has

[thorny steeple]

yeah you know how to draw that line na?

[olive herald]

Gang I have 27 years I can help I guys on the debate

[slender coral]

Reasonable explanation.

[olive herald]

As I am old and smart

[gloomy frost]

I do, But what's the point of all the "intelligence" when I don't even question the bases I stand on, What's so great about us when we can't even question reality, All worthless in the end.

[thorny steeple]

Well, Due to a combination of technical and analytical challenges. A primary reason is that these languages produce binaries with unique characteristics that differ significantly from traditional malware written in Python, C or C++. This difference makes signature-based detection systems, which rely on known patterns from common languages, less effective.
The unfamiliar syntax, memory management paradigms, and compilation artifacts of Rust and Go can hinder automated analysis tools, leading to higher false positive and false negative rates in malware detection.