🧠｜serious-chat

[keen hare]

Not what I said. The closest thing Islam has to a demon is the Jinn that follow satan

[plain ruin]

No, I'm just curious about the opinion
I still think it's not enough because it finally doesn't include any actual reparations for all the land that got stolen
But it's one of the better plans that have been made in the last decade, and it's a lot more public than ever before

[slender coral]

Bro you keep posting the same shit could you please stop

[plain ruin]

You see it now😭😭😭😭

[turbid dome]

Yeah I don’t even think it’s neutral. Under international law the bare minimum is that Israel completely leaves Gaza and the West Bank immediately. There’s an argument to be made about more. It’s just that the bar is so low that a golden turd looks appealing for many 😭

[slender coral]

I always see it but I thought he wouldn't care about my objection. I wish he does now.

[crystal kayak]

Alhamdulilah,how are your prayers going

[faint wasp]

do you think gabriel was satan?

[turbid ivy]

Right

[plain ruin]

i.e. some form of payment etc. for the land the israelis stole over the years

[thorny steeple]

But how can people who haven’t read the Bible know that it already warned us about such situations? These are exactly the people who are most vulnerable to falling into the trap of a false gospel or a deceptive messenger.

[shell hemlock]

i did not pray today and for the next week too

[slender coral]

Be more careful with the stuff you claim, please.

[turbid ivy]

So the Satan is distinct from the jinn?

[turbid ivy]

[shell hemlock]

no

[keen hare]

Perhaps if Christianity was merciful and didn't send gentiles to the hellfire for not believing in it, I could grant this credibility, but it doesn't so this is redundant

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

[plain ruin]

Yeah exactly, it "looks" neutral because of the way things have been said and done
And this seems surprising😭

[shell hemlock]

womanhood

[keen hare]

Satan is a title for Iblis.

Shayatan is a title for anyone or thing that aims to lead you astray

[turbid ivy]

Gabriel is an angel. Waraqa claims it's the same angel. Ie Gabriel.. that's not what the spookie in the cave claims

[fresh flower]

"Le Gabriel" bro turned French

[keen hare]

Nah we're gonna dive on in

[turbid dome]

Oui oui

[turbid ivy]

Oh so the the iblis is Satan, therefore jinn is not the Satan?

[shell hemlock]

why does my shirt smell like onions

[keen hare]

Satan is an individual Jinn whom is immortal.

[slender coral]

Even my fellow Shayateen engage with more good faith than him.

[keen hare]

Also fym "the Iblis"

[manic juniper]

Satan did nothing wrong, he sided with the reptiles after all

[fresh flower]

One sec I gotta look it up

[keen hare]

Its just Iblis

[shell hemlock]

but i dont rlly cook

[turbid dome]

Based as usual

[crystal kayak]

Yes but I think lives are more important than land,the plan is decent it stopped the killing of the innocent Palestinians and will lead them to having a little bit of freedom, don't you agree

[plain ruin]

I mean the plan it does involve withdrawal from both
And recent attempts of Israel to proclaim further sovereignty in the west bank have been met with criticism from... these guys

[crystal kayak]

What happened

[turbid ivy]

Ahha so who is iblis?
Are you saying jinn is identical to iblis?

[crystal kayak]

Like I said tomorrow isn't promised

[plain ruin]

I 100% agree. At the end of the day, that money/land is still a right that was denied to the Palestinian people forever.

[turbid dome]

Yeah… I view it as a PR move. Slow it down to try and recover Zionism’s image.

[fresh flower]

Bro has been on the whole day

[thorny steeple]

God is fair, so I think He will give a just consequence to those who were good but did not believe or did not want to accept Him, even though they knew about Him. Perhaps the ‘punishment’ is not physical but a lasting longing for God—a sense of eternal separation.

[shell hemlock]

cuz i am woman

[plain ruin]

"Khyaya "

[crystal kayak]

Walah I forgot sorry

[fresh flower]

I will compile all his other stats and get the final number too, he's on his 4th account

[keen hare]

Iblis is an individual Jinn. The Jinn are an invisible race. Iblis is immortal and the first sinner as well as the greatest manipulator.

[shell hemlock]

you are talking with a wall

[faint wasp]

bro you’re a dumbass

[shell hemlock]

his brain cannot even comprehend what is 1+1

[fresh flower]

"The king will rest now" (Actual quote)

[plain ruin]

Fair

[turbid ivy]

Define the term indivisible jinn

[slender coral]

5 hours VC everyday, I can beat these numbers while gaming.

[spice bobcat]

IT SAYS INVISIBLE YOU INCOHERENT PISSANT

[keen hare]

What you think is irrelevant, whats im the doctrine is whats important. I also refer to those who never know him

[plain ruin]

I KEEP TELLING HIM TO LEARN TO READ😭

[crystal kayak]

The world is ran by evil people did you expect the deal to be fair all that matters now is the killings and suffering stops

[keen hare]

I'm seeing how much reasonable doubt this guy can sow before conceding he can't read in the english server

[shell hemlock]

isn’t he a high school drop out, not to judge but like that make sense

[plain ruin]

Yes. Agreed. I think if the peace plan goes well, and they get a better status in the Israeli territories to work/live, that'll also be helpful.

[keen hare]

Address the point made and stop pretending to be dumb or ill assume you concede the argument gabriel was a demon.

[turbid ivy]

[plain ruin]

Half the immigrants here who didn't grow up being taught English know it better than him

[keen hare]

"Define indivisible jinn"

Same as

"What is 1 + 1"

[shell hemlock]

anyhow some good news is the the first batch of gaza students graduated today since the israel bombing

[faint wasp]

aren’t you christian dawg? numbers 31:17-18😂😂😂

[plain ruin]

@slender coral 😂 😭

[turbid ivy]

Define the term that you are using.. called "individual jinn"
Do you mean other jinns are not individuals?

[plain ruin]

He's just trolling yall rn
I didn't even think he was capable

[keen hare]

Satan is a Jinn, like I am a Human. Not complicated

[plain ruin]

Or he's drunk

[crystal kayak]

@plain ruin the question is will this deal go according to plan or, we all know Israel

[turbid ivy]

What's wrong with that ? 🤔
Ibn Taymiyyah:
And Al-raḍaʻa is when the mouth is placed on the breast, and he drinks from it and then releases it. This is called Al-raḍaʻa. [43]
https://shamela.ws/book/7289/16260

Furthermore, raḍāʻ when applied to a man means performing oral sex on him. I wonder if that can be done through a cup.

This is the opinion of Shaykh al-Abani: “Do you want to say if he is nursed directly from the breast or by a cup? I say we don’t have any thing that I know of telling us the way that the wife of Abu Hudhaifa breast-fed Salim; we don’t know the way. And I personally say I don’t see any objection to his being nursed directly from the nipple .”

The video where he clearly says the above [for anyone who can understand Arabic]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDghBsWr2l0&ab_channel=ner333

[slender coral]

Hater

Is taking him too seriously

[shell hemlock]

wallah i admire palestinians so much

[thorny steeple]

I think that the matter that God in the Bible is described as a justice, is enough evidence that his courts will fair as well

[plain ruin]

Him being drunk is factual

[shell hemlock]

even bombing n stuff they push thru hardships wow

[turbid dome]

No, high school starts at grade 9. Jr high drop out

[plain ruin]

I think because there's so much global pressure, it just may

[faint wasp]

it was from a cup, keep coping 😂😂😂

[turbid ivy]

So the satanism is the essential property of a jinn just like humanity of a man?

[slender coral]

@keen hareu should see this I guess.

[turbid ivy]

Show me one sahih chain

[faint wasp]

numbers 31:17 “just” btw 😂

[keen hare]

Unfortunately the Bible and doctrine contradict that idea

[shell hemlock]

bro

[plain ruin]

By the way @slender coral
In just one year he turned around and became exactly what he used to talk about 😂

[keen hare]

No. Satan is the title of the Accuser which is held exclusively by Iblis, whom is an immortal Jinn

[formal pilot]

What Jewlius Caesar is doin here

[turbid ivy]

What about it?

[shell hemlock]

yes, yk they make me push thru some non issue on my own like procrastinating n stuff i realize i have the privilege to have a choice that they don’t

[tacit thistle]

whats the low tier arg thats been brought

[slender coral]

Probably drinks a lot because of the abuse he claimed to face in Korea.

[keen hare]

Jesus just ordering the forced marriage and 🍇 of young girls for the armies, is all. Very just

[crystal kayak]

Let's hope🤞🏿

[plain ruin]

😭😭😭💀

[slender coral]

I don't find it funny tbh

[fresh flower]

Kafirs arguing about Islam

[tacit thistle]

lemme refute their arguments

[turbid ivy]

But you are predicating satanism to the subject called jinn just like the humanity predicated to the subject ie a man.

[thorny steeple]

Which ? And in what way ?

[tacit thistle]

bring them forward

[shell hemlock]

who u think u is

[plain ruin]

In principle, yes, I don't either
I'm just been laughing too hard from how dumb this guy's getting by the day😭 I can't help it

[turbid ivy]

Where is marriage there?

[shell hemlock]

i’m joking 😭

[thorny steeple]

?

[tacit thistle]

hey lil bro, do u affirm god making truth claims about himself yes or no?

[turbid ivy]

God making truth claims, such as?

[slender coral]

I'd like to have a discussion about it. caesar doesn't seem to argue in good faith.

[thorny steeple]

@shell hemlock beee

[tacit thistle]

can the son say"i am the son"

[shell hemlock]

this is not a good channel to joke in😭😭

[turbid ivy]

What's wrong with that

[tacit thistle]

yes or no

[turbid ivy]

Again, what's wrong with that khyahh if he makes those claims

[tacit thistle]

i asked, yes or no.

[thorny steeple]

Do you know a good channel? Let's join it.

[tacit thistle]

dont elaborate js yet lil bro

[shell hemlock]

i don’t know i always chat here cuz there’s some action instead of general chat it’s always boring

[turbid ivy]

Son claiming to be the son , yes

[keen hare]

Nobody mentioned satanism. You are schizophrenic. Satan is an individual who is also named Ibliss. He comes from the race of the Jinn.

The Messiah is an individual who is also called Jesus. He comes from the race of Humans.

The Holy Spirit is an individual who is also called Gabriel. He comes from the race of Angels.

[thorny steeple]

Interesting, what do you like?

[turbid ivy]

You just said the same way as the man is called the man.

So, are the other jinns are not individually jinns?

[slender coral]

I swear Muslim folk just love toxicity 😭 @plain ruin

[tacit thistle]

If the Father is a different person with his own mind, in principle he could say “I am the Son.”

Christian belief says the Father cannot say “I am the Son,” because he is not the Son.

Since the Father cannot say “I am the Son,”(due to christians negating them being the same) but the Son does, their statements are different.

That suggests there are two different “I”centres (two different conscious persons) in what is supposed to be one God.

Ergo, it falls into Social trintarianism broski which is essentialy polytheism since it's multiple divine conscious beings lil bro

[keen hare]

Are you dumb on purpose, yes or no

[tacit thistle]

read it like a good boy

[frosty hearth]

Do you think Ed Gein was an artist and innovative?

[tacit thistle]

daddys waiting

[slender coral]

Hey I'm here @rapid lark

[tacit thistle]

You accpeted premise 1 and if u reject the premise of the father and son being distinct ur a heretic

[shell hemlock]

umm idk that’s kinda a general question

[crystal kayak]

@shawn we forgot UAE the Arabian Israel,have you seen the atrocities in Sudan

[shell hemlock]

ueah

[plain ruin]

All of them, muslim or not
They're chasing the dopamine/norepinephrine high from arguments tbh

[shell hemlock]

he’s really skilled

[thorny steeple]

Okay

[rapid lark]

Oo come to vc buddy 🫴🏻

[slender coral]

Which one?

[plain ruin]

Yes
This should start to be addressed next.

[crystal kayak]

[frosty hearth]

True right? Besides his gruesome acts he was talented

[rapid lark]

6.2

[turbid ivy]

Social Trinitarinism just means how the Trinity acts.

And that doesn't follow, if the son is not the father.. he wouldn't say he is the father.
How they are two divine multiple beings?

[tacit thistle]

Circular reasoning "quran is false because galatians says blah blah"

[shell hemlock]

he could easily work under some like luxurious or famous brands that deals with leatherwork and make a masterpiece

[keen hare]

@turbid ivy answer or you concede the argument and this question by default is yes

[turbid ivy]

Are you?

[turbid ivy]

Are you dumb?

[keen hare]

Ah so you concede you're dumb smh

[keen hare]

No sir. I don't believe so

[crystal kayak]

Abu lulu,his people and the UAE shall pay for what they have done,the things they do is so horrific

[crystal kayak]

To debate him or

[thorny steeple]

So you do think that book that appeared after the Bible had been written is the truth? Especially when Quran has been revealed by an angel preaching false gospel, before which the bible has warned us

[keen hare]

Can you substantiate thst non-Christians will go anywhere except hell if they do not accept the trinity, unless were assuming salvation through faith in Jesus alone

[keen hare]

Do you take the New Testamemt as divine revelation

[plain ruin]

I'm fully aware
I think we should focus on one at a time
Other conflicts are brought up by other groups to distract from giving fair treatment (towards the Palestinians) in my opinion

[tacit thistle]

they don't fully share the same properties which negates them being TRULY the same.

The Son is not the Father, and the Father is not the Son ergo, they are distinct identities and if both a fully God each then it is multiple divine beings.

b-b-but how is it multiple beings!

distinct identities + full divinity = multiple divine beings in a logical sense.

[turbid ivy]

So you concede you are dumb?

[tacit thistle]

Oh so a book appearing after the scrolls of abraham is false?

[shell hemlock]

he is actually really stupid

@plain ruin people get progressively smarter and this guy get progressively dumber

[thorny steeple]

What about Islam, isn't the same with Quran?

[tacit thistle]

debating religion in an english server wow

[keen hare]

Numbers 31 17-18

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Loving Jesus

[turbid ivy]

Paragraph 1. False, they share the same essence

[plain ruin]

Lines up with what alcohol does to the brain over long use

[thorny steeple]

Properly, the Old Testament has mentioned Jesus, so the New Testament isn't false

[shell hemlock]

who ?

[tacit thistle]

Does the son know the hour? No, does the father? Yes, ergo different properties in knowledge.

they differ

[crystal kayak]

Focus on one? Did you see what they do to women,kids and men who are unarmed and tbh this isn't a distraction war,the UAE is benefiting from this,by focusing on one we leave the other to be slaughtered in silence

[plain ruin]

Forget that, none of the Christians are pointing out them saying that "Jesus" is being mentioned alongside an Old Testament book

[tacit thistle]

The Old testament doesn't even remotely mention the plurality of a god person concept

[shell hemlock]

the jesus in the bible not rlly the same as the one in islam

[fresh flower]

No real Christians online just Catholics 💔💔💔

[plain ruin]

I mean on an international level
The Trump plan only stopped all the bullshit "The US will takeover" because of protests
The protests should be redirected

[keen hare]

We deny an All-Loving God as well as a divine Jesus so it is a circumstantial use of evidence to show hypocrisy

[fresh flower]

Where is @analog hound And @high raven

[plain ruin]

Catholics? Here?😭

[thorny steeple]

Okay, I didn't understand your question at first, I guess.Now it's my answer: Isn't it weird for you, that An angel from heaven just appeared to Muhammad, just like the Bible has warned us?

[plain ruin]

It's just Protestants/Evangelists

[fresh flower]

Even worse 😭😭😭

[tacit thistle]

Circular reasoning, bible upholds corruption/contradictions what need do I have in following that.

[plain ruin]

Ikr

[tacit thistle]

catholics or orthodox for u guys

[turbid ivy]

Paragraph 2.. yes, there is nothing wrong with that because the father is the distinct relation than the son..however they share the same essence. However it's the subsisting person expressing his personal relation, therefore the father can't say I'm the son.

Two different hypostasis doesn't negate sharing the same mind

[shell hemlock]

i like catholics and orthodox christians

[fresh flower]

I don't like Catholics

[plain ruin]

So you like the actual christians

[fresh flower]

They're cowards imo

[shell hemlock]

girl why

[plain ruin]

Name one Catholic

[shell hemlock]

LOL

[fresh flower]

They continuously change their teachings to fit Western ideology

[turbid dome]

My entire moms side of the family

[fresh flower]

Never met one alhamdlah

[plain ruin]

Just like me and Jews

[turbid dome]

Protestantism was literally changing teachings too

[glad patio]

I don't understand how you don't like each other it's literally the same religion just with different rules.....doesn't that mean you don't respect what your God originally said?

[crystal kayak]

What protests? And what is your solution to leave sudanese people to be massacred in silence while we just turn a blind eye.

[tacit thistle]

If two entities have different relational properties, they arent identical gang, meaning 2 separate identities which both share the fully divine nature it implies multiple beings.

[turbid ivy]

Son have the tw minds.
Divine and human. Predicating the divine of the son result in the same mind as the father. However, if we Predicate the human mind of the son.. , he would not know the hour.
Therefore, the son have two minds, divine mind and human mind. According to the human nature son's human nature is really distinct from his divine nature. No problem at all.

[shell hemlock]

well hmm the catholic church i went to were rlly conservative i got shamed once by a mom and i never went back there

[fresh flower]

It shouldn't imo

[shell hemlock]

same i’ve never met a jew both irl and online

[thorny steeple]

But there are definitely a lot of prophecies from old Testament that were fulfilled in Jesus Christ

[fresh flower]

Christianity is not accepting of homosexuality idk why these guys try to make it liturgically okay

[shell hemlock]

but i heard jews don’t even use internet

[plain ruin]

I don't think you're getting my point
I think if we directly start protesting worldwide about Sudan, the Palestinian plan will fall apart quickly

[crystal kayak]

Chat gpt merchant

[plain ruin]

That's the Amish, not "Jews"

[turbid dome]

It was founded as a change in teachings

[keen hare]

By forcing them with falsified stories in the gospels

[plain ruin]

They would be within a category of Jews, but they're not Jews as a whole

[shell hemlock]

apparently some jews actually don’t use technology

[turbid dome]

Same with literally every religion

[shell hemlock]

during some time of the year

[shell hemlock]

not really in islam and christianity

i think anyway

[turbid dome]

The Amish are Christians

[plain ruin]

Nah there are some in both

[plain ruin]

Are they? I thought they were Jewish
Or I'm confusing them with a similar Jewish group

[shell hemlock]

really in islam muslims don’t use technologies ???

[turbid dome]

I think so

[turbid dome]

There’s sects

[shell hemlock]

never heard abt this

[turbid ivy]

These are not two entities.
Relations don't have to be identical to eachother. Relations are always two fold. Real distinction doesn't imply two beings.
By that def, islam has 99 Gods

[thorny steeple]

Whom?

[shell hemlock]

gotta ask chatgpt

[turbid ivy]

Verify it

[plain ruin]

Checks out, they're Christian

[keen hare]

The anonymous gospel authors, excluding John

[turbid dome]

Just look up what a sect is

[plain ruin]

There are some people who attempt to use scripture from the muslim world to refuse technology
Same with Christians and Jews

[turbid dome]

Yeah I thought so. My grandmother was a bit crazy and once brought my dad to an Amish adjacent church that spoke in tongues

[plain ruin]

"La la la la sha ma ba la da la la la la"

[shell hemlock]

how do people live without technologies fr

[crystal kayak]

I don't understand why will the Palestinian plan fail just because people noticed the atrocities that is happening in Sudan and decided to speak about it

[plain ruin]

My mum took me to one of those

[turbid dome]

Oh no

[tacit thistle]

Nowhere does it mention human nature that's cope but even then we can regard to "Does the father know he himself is the son, and the son know he himself is the father. "

sorry i took abit i went to pray fajr

[shell hemlock]

i lowkey like the amish

[plain ruin]

It's not that it will fail, it's that because less people are watching, they'll let Israel slide under the radar

Which can and probably will cascade towards failure of the plan

[shell hemlock]

apparently they can build houses n stuff within a day

[crystal kayak]

That was just to get you here,why are you not talking about Christianity tomorrow ain't promised dude

[turbid ivy]

There is nothing called Palestine

[keen hare]

Your lack of intelligence makes sense now, I apologies for bullying special needs people

[crystal kayak]

That wouldn't happen just because we talk about Sudan we won't forget the others in the same situation plus I still don't get your idea on what we are suppose to do with Sudan

[fresh flower]

All this because just 10 Nepali students died

Bro is doing so much😭😭😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

American conservatives would want that to happen
No one's saying we should exclude them from the conversation
We need to make sure that we keep our radar on all the conflicts and address them all

Without letting any of them get undermined

[plain ruin]

Do you have the video of the nepali woman

[fresh flower]

Which one😭

[turbid ivy]

Nowhere mentions the tawhid in the Quran by that def. Therefore tawhid is a cope.

Fallacy will not work on me.
The father is not the son, therefore he knows he is not the son. One essence subsisting in three Relations. Since it's the persons expresses the relations, therefore, the persons expresses their distinct relations, since the relations are distinct from eachother in reality.

[plain ruin]

The Christian one who went to Israel to express her support

[tacit thistle]

Allahs attributes dont create separate identities tho, theyre merely aspects OF the one being.

The attributes dont even merely imply individual entities.

[feral river]

There is nothing called Palestine

🇮🇱

[plain ruin]

YES😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[fresh flower]

Smartest thing you've said 🙏🏻

[analog hound]

Hello, I am outside, can't talk, shout out to Sanna

[fresh flower]

Enjoy bro 😭

[plain ruin]

"B-b-b-but Muhammad and wife beatings"

[fresh flower]

Bro gave a shoutout😭😭😭

[keen hare]

Theyll be admitted to the hellfire

[thorny steeple]

I often go to the department, I love it, I relax there.

[fresh flower]

What did I do💀💀💀

[crystal kayak]

This like Sudan is undermined so much, people didn't even know there was a genocide going on until the Abu lulu video and I agree we should keep our radar up on all the conflict going on

[shell hemlock]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[plain ruin]

Yeah, that's the thing
American Christians are using the Sudan conflict "Why aren't you..." to move eyes from the Palestinian one right now
We need to make sure that everyone gets justice, all countries/religions/etc.

[feral river]

the F-22 on the sky is justice

[turbid ivy]

They are not mere aspects.. they are really distinct from his essence according to salafi/athari position. There wouldn't be one identity.
Essence would be one thing
Certain attributes being diff diff thing.
That's called the multiple of identities or compund identity.

[feral river]

🇺🇸 🇮🇱 is justice

who wins the war who is the justice

loser have no ground to speak

[tacit thistle]

Root word for tawhid (wahid) is mentioned in 2:163 of al kahf buddy

uhh Distinct relational properties -> distinct identity lolski

one essence plus multiple identities is a contradictory way of putting it

The "person expresses their relations" doesn’t resolve the contradictions rather it just restates the theological claim ur making

[crystal kayak]

I saw this but are they dumb like we can keep up and focus on both wars,if that is their plan to divide and take eyes of Palestine it is not working

[thorny steeple]

@feral river China is a good country, but it would be better if it didn't oppress Turks.

[plain ruin]

It is being done in order to troll and distract us
And this tactic has constantly been used
I'm saying we should be careful and focus on completing what we started, not that we shouldn't start with Sudan

[feral river]

we do not recognize there are turks in our country

there's only Uyghur Chinese instead

And we don’t have to give a fuck about them

[unkempt veldt]

That's not a given. Who said they lost, even if it meant the death of the last person .

[thorny steeple]

I don't agree with you on this point, they are and even Palestinian Christians

[tacit thistle]

The hypostases are distinct persons expressing relations -> apparent multiplicity

His attributes are not separate hypostases, they only inhere in essence whereas, each person is a subsisting relational person in your theology.

[crystal kayak]

We are doing that whilst also raising voice for Sudan

[thorny steeple]

You Chinese are oppressing the Uyghurs.

[tacit thistle]

theres isnt a separate hypostases for the attributes lol

[feral river]

Not really we didn’t oppress them

We just enforce laws and that’s it

[crystal kayak]

@plain ruin

[turbid ivy]

Tawhid is not wahid. .define tawhid

Yes as I said the persons are really distinct from eachother, but not distinct from the essence. Therefore, the identity of God is absolute since there are no real distinction between attributes and essence.

There is one numerical identity of the essence not many, as I clarified above. That problem appears in islam due to real distinction between essence and attributes

... there is no contradiction so far..
What is p and not p?

[thorny steeple]

So why are they suffering?

[turbid ivy]

I just answered this Objection

[shell hemlock]

they are sudanese right ?

[crystal kayak]

@turbid dome is this Ai

[turbid dome]

Idk busy

[feral river]

For no reason

And they are not suffering

Only terrorists and separatists is suffering as expected

[thorny steeple]

@feral river Do you consider yourself superior to them?

[crystal kayak]

Ohh sorry for ping yah

[feral river]

We never target most people

[prisma cipher]

Who are those

[feral river]

Nope

[turbid ivy]

Yes but they have their own identities since they are really distinct from the essence.
Essence would be the one thing
Attributes would be the other thing and so forth with 99 attributes

Your numerical oneness collapse here.

[plain ruin]

No
Just copy pasting/memorization of David Wood arguments

[thorny steeple]

@feral river they were nice people

[crystal kayak]

Yes,the things they are doing are disgusting have you seen the one of Abu Lulu and all the satellite images in Sudan

[plain ruin]

Yeah I'm aware
I just know that people just forgot what happened in 2017-2019 in Palestinian territories

[crystal kayak]

Sudanese people

[thorny steeple]

@crystal kayak Why did Palestine help Armenia in the 2020 Azerbaijan-Armenia wars, my friend?

[feral river]

Yeah I know

[shell hemlock]

apparently women there they get sa-ed and tortured, children just murdered and thrown away like trash

[feral river]

But under the law everyone is equal

Nobody is allowed to make a separation against our state

[thorny steeple]

Let's end this conversation, my friend.

@crystal kayak ?

[feral river]

There’s no Palestine but State of Israel

🇮🇱

[crystal kayak]

No after sa the excute them by hanging or a bullet to the head,the kids and men are first torched and killed by either a bullet or from beatings

[shell hemlock]

they are living like our country during pol pot

[thorny steeple]

@crystal kayak Answer me, friend.

[turbid ivy]

Gn
If you have any objections, put it on my dm.
I'll review them tomorrow

[crystal kayak]

@shell hemlock you can literally see bodies piled up on top of each other from satellite

[manic juniper]

Palestine good I guess

[crystal kayak]

What

[turbid ivy]

@tacit thistle

[thorny steeple]

@crystal kayak Why did Palestine help Armenia in the 2020 Azerbaijan-Armenia wars, my friend?

[tacit thistle]

It's the root word

Identity of God being absolute contradicts premise 1 as Father ≠ Son

Two entities cannot be distinct and identical at the same time when applying Classical Logic,

The attributes are inseparable from the essence dawg

the contradiction for distinct relational properties become distinct identity is

If two entities differ in any property, they are distinct entities. We know it's separate entities as multiple identities each fully divine equates to multiple entities. Each person is a subsisting "who" is who is distinct even while sharing one essence still counts as multiple entities in Classical Logic.

[plain ruin]

Can you cite this

[crystal kayak]

I don't know but they also supported turkey in the displacing of Kurdish people but still nobody deserves such brutality

[thorny steeple]

Your politicians said that Armenia was right.

[plain ruin]

Cite it

[crystal kayak]

[feral river]

You mean Turkish Kurds ?

or they simply deport illegal immigrnats

[thorny steeple]

I'm not going to stand here and prove it to you, go investigate and you'll find it.

[tacit thistle]

Mate it inheres in the essence, it does not constitute a new subsisting entity.

Attributes = inseparable properties of that essence
Therefore it is one God, not multiple entities

single essence - numerical oneness preserved.

distinct entities - not preserved.

the subsisting entity?
for christians: each person is a "who"

for muslims: the attributes ARE inseparable from the essence itself.

[crystal kayak]

China ain't winning any war

[plain ruin]

That's the problem, I'm trying that and can't find any proof of your statement.

[crystal kayak]

What so you lied or

[plain ruin]

You're the one with the information, should be easy for you to show it

[thorny steeple]

As a citizen of a Muslim country, I support Israel because it helped us in the 2020 war.

[plain ruin]

Still no citation

[slender coral]

Hmm

[high crater]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[crystal kayak]

@thorny steeple dude if it true just show the proof and we move on

[thorny steeple]

@high crater bunlara kafa yetmiyor knk

[high crater]

Idk bro sounds like you are making stuff up lol

[manic juniper]

More like "as a Turkish nationalist"

Has nothing to do with being Muslim

[slender coral]

Omg I'm trying to post screenshots for this but they don't get posted 😭

[thorny steeple]

Dude, where can I find the 2020 videos?

[plain ruin]

Can you dm? I'm not finding anything with my search

[thorny steeple]

Hayır knk yeminle

[slender coral]

They have good relations. Idk if the extent as the guy claims though.

[turbid ivy]

You are conflicting with the identity of the relations and with the identity of the essence that is numerically one. I have already clarified in above messages.

These are not two entities.
Is the clay identical with statute of the clay? According to your classical logic 🤔 the answer would be yes, but they are not considered as identical because the clay is not the statute.

... distinct relations are identical to the essence in reality. However, the relations are distinct from eachother, therefore, three identities on relations.. not in essence, but the essence is numerically absolutely one.

The son and the father shares the some properties called God which is absolutely one. Therefore, there is no three entities. The relations are in reality identical to the essence.

[crystal kayak]

There something called a search bar where you can easily search for it

[high crater]

I love it when people use the argument. I am “x” thus my argument is valid.
I am Muslim and I support Israel. 😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

If a Palestinian leader said what you're claiming, it would be in text too

[manic juniper]

What he's saying is true but doesn't make Palestine in the wrong here lol as if either Armenia or Azerbaijan were in the right

[plain ruin]

I'm seeing that both Israel and Palestine have shown more support for Azerbaijan in my search

[high crater]

This is like the oldest fallacy on planet earth

[slender coral]

@thorny steeple I guess geopolitics isn't as simple as you wanna think.

[manic juniper]

If anything Armenia is more in the right, they are the majority of Artsakh, and Azerbaijan attacked first

And Azerbaijan is occupying it now

[high crater]

https://tenor.com/view/azerbaijan-technology-skebob-gif-11672393650944048672

[thorny steeple]

Anyway, I said my mind, Israel is on our side, we are on their side.

[slender coral]

How about Azrabjani nationalists?

[manic juniper]

They're basically the same as Turkish nationalists, I don't know why these countries aren't one when they speak the same language and agree on pretty much everything. Maybe because there are countries in between and Azerbaijan is Shia?

[thorny steeple]

Azerbaijan did not do it, they committed genocide against us in 1992 and in 2020 we tortured them and expelled them from their lands😂😂

[slender coral]

They have good relations it seems

[manic juniper]

Lmao that's fun, repaying violence with more violence

[plain ruin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict
The citations for Palestine throughout the page don't show anything in 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Nagorno-Karabakh_War
This is the 2020 incident and Palestine isn't even mentioned

[slender coral]

The message finally arrived lmfao

[plain ruin]

They have both relations with both sides

[manic juniper]

It's pretty much tribal thinking

[high crater]

Middle East needs to be leveled with nukes tbh

[slender coral]

@thorny steeple

[shell hemlock]

bro what

[manic juniper]

East and North Caucasus too but it's too mountainous, requires too many nukes

[slender coral]

I fucking said this before.

[high rapids]

I agree

[manic juniper]

The Caucasus is still stuck in idiotic 90s Balkan politics

[plain ruin]

Let's start with Oman
Too peaceful there

[high crater]

Ong. Oppressed are relieved from oppression. Oppressors get what they deserve. I think it’s a win win

[shell hemlock]

whut

[high crater]

And the problem is solved

[shell hemlock]

i’m so confused i just opened the chat

[thorny steeple]

Nothing

[manic juniper]

At least Israel and Palestine are fighting over ongoing clashes

[high crater]

Let god if he exists do the judging lmfaooooo

[shell hemlock]

you are muslim and you support israel

what

[manic juniper]

Caucasus just ignites new conflicts for no fucking reason

[plain ruin]

He doesn't have proof, probably got some AI generated videos

[shell hemlock]

what what huh

[thorny steeple]

Aze

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[slender coral]

Or we could do it now and nuke the region.

[shell hemlock]

i

[high crater]

KOSOVO IS SERBIA RAAAAAAAAA

[high crater]

See that’s the thing. We nuke them to send them there

[shell hemlock]

i think it’s time for bed

[high crater]

Shiiiiiii

[turbid ivy]

Gn

[slender coral]

Abdul confirming the stereotypes. 😭

[high rapids]

“Why nobody likes us”

[high crater]

Ong

[tiny apex]

Who’s us

[shell hemlock]

one person doesn’t make a whole

[shell hemlock]

LMAO YOUR PFP

[manic juniper]

A lot of people said this here, idk if as a joke or not

[tiny apex]

Found it on Pinterest

[manic juniper]

I think it's ridiculous when they can't even live normally without AI

[slender coral]

I saw many Muslims taking that seriously.

[manic juniper]

Skyrim belongs to the dov

[tiny apex]

This is still the best pfp ever

[high crater]

🥵🥵🥵🥵

[manic juniper]

You missed the Ratchet & Clank pfp

[tacit thistle]

Relations are really distinct -> each has a property the others do not

Relations are identical to essence -> one entity, one numerical identity.

You're admitting the relations differ in property but you also claim they are numerically identical with the essence??? They cannot be both really distinct and numerically identical at the same time gang

clay = substance, statue = form but in your case, the relations are said to be “really distinct”, not just “different forms” so real DISTINCTIONS in classical logic imply the distinct identities premise unlike a form of clay

three relational identities but a singular essense is a hybrid category bc theyre distinct in property but not substance which classical logic upholds distinct properties as implying distinct entities

relational property differs

the essence is identical

its logically conflicting when you see a singular entity cannot be both identical AND distinct in any property for that matter

[shell hemlock]

omg that is a lot to read

[tiny apex]

Do you still have it and why are your pfps all based on games

[high crater]

Islam calls for Muslims to preach their religion and share it with others

[high crater]

So yeahhhhhh. Whether people do it or not that’s their religion lmfao

[high crater]

Cant deny facts

[manic juniper]

They are the most entertaining to edit

There will be a comeback of that pfp soon

[tiny apex]

How long did the current masterpiece take to make

[manic juniper]

As soon as I exhaust my Skyrim modding era

[manic juniper]

4 minutes

Maybe less because I made two versions

A saurophobic one and this reptile-approved one

[tiny apex]

Saurophobic I thought you liked dinosaurs

[tiny apex]

Is that you

[manic juniper]

You should rest more at your age

[shell hemlock]

yes

[manic juniper]

I like dinosaurs, the first version is more accurate but it's saurophobic

[shell hemlock]

how i feel choosing water instead of soda

[manic juniper]

Because the protagonist of the game kills dragons

So I used the helmet of the dragon servants

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/donovan-mayo-true-alpha-gif-17557391471190644606

[shell hemlock]

choosing water instead of soda makes me feel like a real adult alpha

how i feel not eating ice cream after my meals

how u kno im a teenager tho

anyway it’s 2am twin imma hit the sack

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-sigma-male-alpha-male-alpha-lorlo-gif-16609715056019150228

[shell hemlock]

hehe hit the sack

[tiny apex]

Hit the hay also good night

[shell hemlock]

why u want me to assault hay twin

[tiny apex]

If you hit the sack you must also hit the hay and make it equal

[high crater]

😭😭😭😭😭

[frosty hearth]

Zwhrw

[high rapids]

Hello, what would you like to order?

[frosty hearth]

Im vegan and carnivorous

Make whatever you want

[high crater]

Same

https://tenor.com/view/bars-bars-conceited-reginald-sergile-yo-mtv-raps-s1e4-gif-25830290

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[crystal kayak]

This came out of nowhere 🤣🤣🤣

@winter echo are you muted

[wary oak]

So i’ve just learned the UAE is funding this shit in Sudan

[manic juniper]

Yes

Are they on the Arab side

[crystal kayak]

Finally people are catching up

[wary oak]

I just watched some videos of the war crimes

Makes me sick to my stomach

[crystal kayak]

If only I possesed a nuclear bomb

[wary oak]

Well maintaining that nuke would be difficult 🤓

[crystal kayak]

Maintain I am launching it as soon as it arrives

[crystal kayak]

Funded by the united Arabs Emirates

[high crater]

Guys hypothetically question time

God is real
He goes down and tells you. You can k1ll yourself but with it kill an entire nation. Do you take the offer. If you do which nation are you erasing

[crystal kayak]

No

[crystal kayak]

So i won't be there to enjoy their down fall no thank you

[high crater]

So you would rather the world be worse off because you can’t experience it?

[fallow shard]

https://tenor.com/view/deerseason-engaged-im-gif-19199737

[high crater]

Assuming that you are able to off a nation that you consider bad according to your moral compass

[tiny apex]

Look into it they fund a lot of different groups in Africa

[high crater]

It’s a pretty straightforward question lol

[high crater]

Do you know Africa politics?

[fallow shard]

Yea I understood it but like what

[high crater]

Idk chat was dead

It’s a spicy question too lol

[fallow shard]

I wouldn't take the offer

[tiny apex]

I’m African so I know something about it

[high crater]

Why

[high crater]

What’s happening in Nigeria

[fallow shard]

I wanna live???

[high crater]

So you value your life over a bunch of bad people?

[crystal kayak]

Hypothetically yes,I dreamed of it and I want to see it

[fallow shard]

Yes

[high crater]

Sheeeesh

[tiny apex]

Apparently the leader there wants to tax Nigerians who live outside the country while most Nigerians don’t live with stable power

[high crater]

I didn’t expect these answers from you guys

[turbid dome]

I don’t think genocide solves problems

[fallow shard]

Bcs it's not that straightforward

[turbid dome]

So no

[high crater]

Ofc it doesn’t

[turbid dome]

So what’s the point?

[high crater]

1 is better than 0

[crystal kayak]

It is sacrifice yourself to better humanity

[high crater]

Killing a bad person is better than having them alive. Doesn’t solve the problem. But still good

[high crater]

Yeah

[turbid dome]

But it’s a whole country of people lol

[fallow shard]

Because one government does mass genocide it doesn't mean whole county's population agrees w it

[manic juniper]

Lmao

[high crater]

Casualties. Oopsie daisy

[fallow shard]

I wanna spare the people who are against it

[frosty hearth]

What about deaths

[manic juniper]

You want me to get banned

[turbid dome]

We know you’re thinking Russia

[fallow shard]

They've nothing to do it

[crystal kayak]

👀

[high crater]

Okay let’s say you get that too

[fallow shard]

Wdym

[high crater]

Do you take it now

[high crater]

Like add that to the offer. You can save the good ones

[crystal kayak]

I was thinking of a whole continent

[manic juniper]

Bro where are the downsides then

[tiny apex]

Government is kind of the representation of the nation if the government has a bad rep the whole country does too

[fallow shard]

I still wouldn't. Just because I wanna live and it doesn't indicate I think I'm better than them

[manic juniper]

What's the flaw in the offer

[fallow shard]

I'm really confused

[tiny apex]

Of course there are always exceptions

[high crater]

Idk. I wasn’t expecting people to be this selfish ( not in a bad way)

[plain ruin]

Idk
Death

[high crater]

I expected more selflessness

Greater good

[fallow shard]

Ofc but there always people who disagrees w the government

[manic juniper]

A little price to pay

[verbal torrent]

Facu

[high crater]

Exactly

[crystal kayak]

A small price to pay for salvation

[high crater]

That’s what I think

Like thanos was correct

[manic juniper]

Anyway there is only one answer

[high crater]

Entirety of avengers were wrong

[high crater]

Come on….. don’t be shy…… say what is on your mind…….

[tiny apex]

He wiped out half of the universes people didn’t he

[high crater]

Yeah

[high crater]

Let’s hope most of them were bad people lol

[manic juniper]

It's R... I mean I would pick a country no one cares about and see how long it takes until they notice

A country like Micronesia or Tuvalu

[tiny apex]

Maybe spiderman disappearing was sad though

[high crater]

Isn’t there like a country with only cattle population or sth

I’ve heard this somewhere

[manic juniper]

I don't know but in Denmark they have more pigs than people

[plain ruin]

@Abd...

[high crater]

Are you Ukrainian perchance?

[manic juniper]

If I took the offer Swedes wouldn't notice the difference

[tiny apex]

Let the Russia slander loose Isfrun you know you want to

[crystal kayak]

@winter echo you still alive

[manic juniper]

No

[high crater]

Why the Russia hate then

[frosty hearth]

Why are you fighting over here

[high crater]

I don’t mean like oh only Ukrainians get to hate them lmfao

[manic juniper]

There are many countries with R as first letter

[high crater]

But yeah. You get what I mean I guess lol

[verbal torrent]

Bored
Need some action

[tiny apex]

👀

[manic juniper]

I met many people of different nationalities who hate it, some of them don't even border Russia

Btw I wasn't necessarily implying Russia

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-looking-eyes-emoji-let's-take-a-look-gif-16800462008013598153

[high crater]

Yeah sure. But I’m asking about that lollllllllll

It was Rwanda we all know

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't let my dislike for it impact so many people

Unless

[high crater]

Why do you dislike them

[manic juniper]

They mistreated Crimean Tatars for holding flags

[plain ruin]

It was actually the Romanis

[manic juniper]

Do you know about Romanistan/Tsiganistan

[high crater]

Is that it?

[manic juniper]

One of the many reasons but I'm thinking about them right now

[plain ruin]

Idk but Olly has awoken me to the fact that I share an ethnic origin with them
So I must join forces with you in hating

[manic juniper]

The only thing I know about them is that everybody except Americans hate them

[high crater]

Hmmmmmm

[manic juniper]

I never met one tho

[crystal kayak]

Since the topic is about erasing people who agree Kim jong UN should rain nukes over Europe

[plain ruin]

They're originally Indian, their language is even derived from Hindi

[manic juniper]

Yes I know, from Rajasthan

Were they nomadic dalits? Or exiled

[plain ruin]

Idr what I read, when they left, etc.

[manic juniper]

They were settled by Vlad Tepes III after they helped fight off the Ottomans

[plain ruin]

They might just be descendants of that one Indian dude who rode to Sweden on his bicycle, so let's blame @fresh flower /j

[manic juniper]

They arrived to Europe around that time

[plain ruin]

What the fuck

[manic juniper]

Hm that's even earlier

[plain ruin]

2 millenia off

They probably kept the language more alive than most north indians did, then

[manic juniper]

A lot of them kept the language to the point they didn't know where it came from

[plain ruin]

😭

[manic juniper]

They didn't even have any other language to compare it to until someone heard it side by side with a similar language if I'm not mistaken

[plain ruin]

Hold on lemme hear one of em speak

Why did the video start with an american 12 year old saying "Hey guys here's a video on Gypsy Language"

[plain ruin]

I'm listening to it right now, and it sounds like Hindi with an accent😭

I don't even know hindi but I know the words are from hindi

Conversation and youtube for me

[manic juniper]

Wikipedia night sessions

[manic juniper]

Their religion is also a semi-polytheistic version of Christianity

[plain ruin]

WHAT

[manic juniper]

Yes, at least the most traditional ones believe in different aspects of divinity, some of them akin to minor deities or spirits

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_folklore

Read the motifs section, there are different deities

[plain ruin]

"Shalom Alaikum my brother in Christ, I hope you are following the eightfold path alongside Hanuman and Ram today"

[manic juniper]

I don't know how they survived through living in Europe as pretty much pagans

Probably because they settled mostly in Eastern Europe where there was more tolerance for different religions

[high crater]

Hey @manic juniper

Can I ask a couple of personal questions

[plain ruin]

They're like anti-#🧠｜serious-chat in all forms

[manic juniper]

How personal

[high crater]

General personal lol

Your age and field

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

I'm 25 I work in biology research related fields

I worked

[high crater]

Was this like your major too in uni?

And if you don’t mind what research do you do?

[manic juniper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_past

[manic juniper]

Yes it's evolutionary biology

[high crater]

You just got me curios lol. Sorry if it’s too much personal questions. You can call it off whenever you want

[manic juniper]

Right now it's stag beetles and other arboreal beetles of Japan and Korea

[plain ruin]

Fill in the blanks:
_ _ _ metrics

[high crater]

Do you like document stuff about them or…… like how does that field go

Or research

[manic juniper]

It's a lot of stuff but in short we calculate and document the evolutionary trends of a species or multiple according the the environment

[plain ruin]

Think Isfrun's field

[manic juniper]

Yes

[plain ruin]

Then the government ID relation will kick in

[high crater]

What’s your h-index

[plain ruin]

Bro's selling her data

[high crater]

😂😂😂😂😂

😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😂

Hbu

[manic juniper]

[high crater]

What do you do

[high crater]

And you

[plain ruin]

I've shared enough here😭

[humble salmon]

@dapper laurel how's magna graecia been

[manic juniper]

They are recent publications (first one in 2024) so it's decent at the moment

For what, all my crimes are impossible to track at this point

[high crater]

Idk anything about you😭😭😭

[high crater]

Wait a sec……. Crimes???????? Huhhhhh

[manic juniper]

There are

Even if you knew my name and surname you wouldn't be able to prove I did those crimes. I would fail to prove it as well

I removed all tracks

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

[high crater]

WHAT CRIMES 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

I'll give you a rundown, 22, ethnically Indian, Portuguese citizen, grew up in Kuwait

[high crater]

Put me in on the life girl😭😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

All you need to know

[manic juniper]

Do them years earlier and remove all linked accounts

[manic juniper]

I think it would count as scamming

[high crater]

These are the stuff that idc about😭😭😭😭😭. I want to know what you study/ work in

[high crater]

Story time????????

[fresh flower]

Bros a farmer

[manic juniper]

I probably stole 300-400~€ worth of PlayStation Network content

[fresh flower]

Wait....

[manic juniper]

But:

1. I need to get extradited
2. There is no way to prove I did it anymore

[fresh flower]

I had no idea that you had Romanian heritage

[high crater]

Mehhhhhhh. Not that serious imo

[high crater]

LMFAOOOOOO. GYPSYYYYY ALERTTTTT

[plain ruin]

Graduated BSc IT, Cybersecurity
Working towards an MBA with an IT focus, doing Cybersecurity/Networking certifications on the side

[high crater]

Sheeeesh. Good on you

[plain ruin]

Your turn

[high crater]

Hahahhahahhahaha

[manic juniper]

One of the first countries where I lived

I learned all the basic survival rules of Eastern Europe

I learned the market value of iron buried deep in rural soil

[plain ruin]

Just say Mossad

[high crater]

Lmfaooooooo

Who is a patriot

https://tenor.com/view/sewer-jew-sewer-jew-new-york-meme-gif-8514959640947119881

Susssy

Are you doing espionage?

[honest merlin]

My mom would want me to cut the grass

[humble salmon]

@magic olive

[magic olive]

Thanks

[analog hound]

@fresh flower
Were you having a conversation about religion?

[fresh flower]

No not me, they were arguing about it but there were no real Christians just those heathen denominations 😭

[analog hound]

Ohhhhh

Sorry I couldn't talk 😂

[turbid ivy]

Relations are really same as the essence in reality. Khyahh doesn't follow.

Relations are identical to the essence in reality. However, Relations are distinct from one another in reality since Relations are two fold. Being in something and being toward something.

Again, you didn't read what I said.. I said they are really distinct from eachother.. no real distinction with the essence, that would imply the essence is the 4th thing otherwise. So there is no contradiction here, because you are confused with is Predication and is of identity.
Is Clay abs identical with the statue that is made of?

Is the action same as Motion and so does the passion?

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[fallow shard]

[thorny steeple]

🦆

[fallow shard]

DUCK

[thorny steeple]

Whats an unknown duck

[fallow shard]

It's just unknown

Nothing else

[thorny steeple]

If its unknown then how do you know its a duck and if you know its a duck then how is it unknown

[fallow shard]

You're getting too philosophical

What if I only know that it's duck and nothing else

It'd be unknown still

[thorny steeple]

No you know that its duck hence it's a known duck not unknown

[fallow shard]

But you don't claim to know person if you only see them

[thorny steeple]

But you know that its a person

[thorny steeple]

Some attributes are known and some are not

Then is the person know or unknown

Or is known and unknown about a perticular specific attribute

And in this case is the attribute unknown or the value of attribute

And if there is a value then is it subjective value or objective value

[thorny steeple]

@fallow shard

[fallow shard]

Maybe you're right

[sonic lion]

I know it!! god forbid a person make a comment

[thorny steeple]

I just asked question

[obtuse perch]

Fight fight fight

[fallow shard]

Yea idk the answer

[thorny steeple]

Hmm

[high rapids]

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[tacit thistle]

an entity cannot be both distinct in a property and numerically identical.

law of Identity states X = X; an entity cannot differ from itself in any property. The Father and Son differ.

regarding the clay, the relations are real distinctions, not just formal differences.

Relations being really distinct in property cannot be identical to the essence without violating Leibniz’s Law.

As for predication: we say this is a statue of clay -> conceptual distinction, khalas.

Whereas with identity: P1 - P2 ESSENCE -> the properties must match, with the trinity this fails.

The relations in your argument are real distinctions not inherently predicate.

[tacit thistle]

the objects themselves are distinct gang

You are talking about relations that are really distinct in property.

Claiming they are numerically identical with the essence is like saying

“This wooden 7 = this metal 7 = this glass 7”

Logic says: different properties = not identical lol

confusing numerical identity with predication?

[misty shard]

Are we talking about geometry here ?

[tacit thistle]

it may apply abstractly with the number 7 not inherently with the objects,

The models themselves are physically distinct, so they are not numerically identical in reality.

[turbid ivy]

THe relations are abs identical to the essence, therefore, there are not three distinct entities.

If i apply the classical identiy of Leibniz law,
The statue is identical to the clay.. since the statue is the same matter as the clay.
But this idenity statement is false, because the statue is not the clay. Anther example is:
Person 1 = God
Person 2 = God
Person 1 = Person 2

this is called the opaque context,” i.e., it denies the intersubstitutability of the terms for each other.
A common example is:

1. Lois Lane knows she loves Superman.
2. Superman is Clark Kent.
3. So, Lois Lane knows she loves Clark Kent.

The inference in this example collapses because there exists an opaque context. Lois Lane does not know she loves Clark Kent. The same exact relationship obtains in virtue of the opacity of Trinitarian context in the case of the persons. Each person is God, and each person is not the other persons. Because of the identity with regard to the divine essence, they aren't composed with it.

Thefore, im gonna use the RI

[tacit thistle]

concrete because it deals with actual entities that entail real properties

[turbid ivy]

1. The word of Allah {is} Uncreated (inseparable from Allah)
2. Jesus {is} the word of Allah (Sahih Muslim 195)
   C. Therefore, Jesus is uncreated (inseparable from Allah)

https://tenor.com/view/jawan-jawaan-movie-srk-jawaan-srk-srk-shah-rukh-khan-gif-26150891

The word is the intellect of God, therefore, it's the essential to God.

[tacit thistle]

If two entities are numerically identical, they must share all real properties.

alright so F, S, AND H are each numerically identical to the divine essence: F=S=H=E

F begets S

S is begotten by F

H proceeds from F and/or S:

If F = S = H = E, then all properties of F must be shared by S and H.

Relational properties differ since F begets S (not true of S), S is begotten (not true of F), H proceeds from F (not true of F or S).

thw trinity still comes under logically incoherent: either you preserve numerical identity by denying real relational distinctions or preserve the distinctions by denying numerical identity

Superman analogy blah blah is a Conceptual Distinction which differs from the real relational distinction.

The relational properties aka begetting, begotten etc are ontologically real properties of said persons in the triune god spectrum.

In the Superman case, there is no violation of leibniz law as superman share all real properties the difference is knowledge context only.

The trinity differs wit real properties so numerical identity fails, if we included relational properties.

The properties also differ gang, applying the opaque context argument doesn't magically unify them

[turbid ivy]

From Above,
Isa {is} uncreated
Allah {is} uncreated

IF two things are indentical to the third thing, they must be identical to each other. Therefore, from Transitivity,
Isa = Allah

[turbid ivy]

Define real properties

[turbid ivy]

Superman analogy blah blah is a Conceptual Distinction which differs from the real relational distinction.
Yes, i gave an analogy of man, but GOd there is no accidents..
Still, Abs idenity fails here, that's why you gotta appeal to the RI

[tacit thistle]

the real relational properties?

[turbid ivy]

ANd do they differ from the essence?

[tacit thistle]

Superman analogy fails for god no? due to the properties being all essential, not accidental.

[turbid ivy]

I know, that's an analgoy, still, the prblem is not solved under Abs idenity of relations, you have to appeal to RI

[tacit thistle]

my answer would be yes?

the properties are instantiated in the essence

[turbid ivy]

Nope, they dont differ from the essence>>

the properties are instantiated in the essence
they are not added extra things to the essence

[turbid ivy]

1. The word of Allah {is} Uncreated (inseparable from Allah)
2. Jesus {is} the word of Allah (Sahih Muslim 195)
   C. Therefore, Jesus is uncreated (inseparable from Allah)

From Above,
Isa {is} uncreated
Allah {is} uncreated

IF two things are indentical to the third thing, they must be identical to each other. Therefore, from Transitivity,
Isa = Allah
@tacit thistle
But according to Tawhid,
Isa is not identical to Allah, therefore Tawhid collapses

https://tenor.com/view/funny-smile-best-laugh-thats-funny-gif-8282901

[tacit thistle]

The Clark analogy only addresses intensional/epistemic substitution failures.

It does not apply to real property differences, which are essential to the trinitarian relational distinctions.

The apparent need for RI comes only if you insist that relational properties are ontologically independent of the essence, if you treat them as modes or dependent aspects of the single essence, leibniz law is satisfied without appealing to opaque contexts.

[tacit thistle]

You know what word means right?

Isa alayhi salam is a creation of Allah VIA Allahs word.

Isa was a word from Allah that He bestowed on Maryam, meaning He created him with the word `Be' that He sent with Jibril to Maryam.

kalamah Allah just shows Allah created jesus via a command.

aka be and he was

[turbid ivy]

The Clark analogy only addresses intensional/epistemic substitution failures.
there is a conceptual disctions, between Clark kent and superman. Therefore, Abs identity fails to address them as identical. Therefore, you have to appeal to RI
Either you have to say clay is abs identical to the statute,, which is wrong btw.
In order for you to apply RI, the properties have to formally and coneptually identical, otherwise you cant apply Abs identity. Therefore, Abs is ill mannered incomplete without RI.

The apparent need for RI comes only if you insist that relational properties are ontologically independent of the essence, if you treat them as modes or dependent aspects of the single essence, leibniz law is satisfied without appealing to opaque contexts
these are not mere modes, that's called modalism. The relations are really distinct from eachother, not mere modes. Therefore, RI is acceptable.

[turbid ivy]

When you say Isa {is} the word of Allah.
Do you use 'is' as predication or 'is' as the identity relation?

[turbid ivy]

That's his human nature, created in the QUran, because it also says in sahih muslim 195, Isa ..IS.. the Spirit of ALlah.
IN surah 66.12, isa was created through the Spirit of ALlah, if hte Spirit of ALlah is the Isa, it's the creation of his human nature merely., cause either way, he exists prior to the creation of his humanity either as the word or the Spirit of ALlah.

[turbid ivy]

No mention of jibreel, so i will negate this.

[high rapids]

who pinged me

[tacit thistle]

abs identity applies to the entity itself, not to epistemic or conceptual descriptions.

Abs Identity does not fail here yk that? the failure is in knowledge context, not in the real identity of the entities

you have to appeal to RI

So your claim that “Abs Identity fails for Clark/Superman” literally confuses epistemic distinction with numerical identity.

Abs Identity is preserved if you carefully define “the same substance” vs. “the same object in form so RI isnt required.

Abs Identity remains logically coherent for the divine essence if relational properties are treated as instantiated in the essence yk?

Let's say this:

Father (F), Son (S), and HOly spirit (H) each instantiate real relational properties yes?

These relational properties are ontologically real but dependent/instantiated on the essence so they do not constitute separate substances

so Abs is suffice you dont HAVE to refer to RI, now back to my original claim.

If F = S = H = E numerically, then according to leibniz law

F and S must share all properties, S and H must share all properties etc.

Premise 1 (Trinity claim) is that F = S = H = E (numerical identity)

Premise 2 is the (Real relational distinctions): F isnt S in relational properties, S isnt h etc.

Premise 3 laibniz law numerically identical entities must share all real properties

contradiction is F, S, and H don't share all real properties.

[tacit thistle]

That's False, Allah created jesus via his word

(Verily, the likeness of `Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be! ـ and he was.)

This is why `Isa was a word and a Ruh (spirit) created by Allah

if two things are numerically identical, then for every property P, what’s true of one is true of the other.

You cannot say “it applies to essence itself"
That’s a category restriction that breaks the definition of numerical identity.

[turbid ivy]

abs identity applies to the entity itself, not to epistemic or conceptual descriptions.
I know, like the matters.. but not in every cases,,

Abs Identity does not fail here yk that? the failure is in knowledge context, not in the real identity of the entities
It does fail, cause you say the clay is abs identical to the statue khyhhaa?

They are formally identical to the same being, not conceptualy.
Clark kent = Superman (as a person)
So, abs identy only apply here in a person.
It doesnt give us the clarification in what sense that there is abs idenitty. therefore, it's ill mannared or incomplete. Still needs RI to solve this.

[feral river]

Homosexuality and bisexuality are both normal. - People’s Daily (Chinese Communist Party) 04/15/2018

[tacit thistle]

either the persons are not really distinct which isss Sabellianism i think

or the essence is not numerically identical in all three aka polytheism

all ur doing is appealing to a singular essence which just relocates it between the semantic use of “real” and the logical demands of identity.

[turbid ivy]

do you deny relations?

[shell hemlock]

thailand 🫢

[turbid ivy]

Khyahha, but Jesus is the word of Allah according to sahih muslim 195,
I know that verse, but either way Isa still exists prior to the existence of his human nature,, either as the spirit of Allah, or either as the word of Allah.
khyhaa, the word of Allah is a creation?

[formal pilot]

What do you mean by "normal"

[shell hemlock]

no way bro i went to sleep and woke up and his arse is still here @plain ruin

[plain ruin]

They're getting into using mathematical systems observed by humans as proof/denial of the trinity now

[tacit thistle]

that is epistemic, not metaphysical. the difference between s/uperman and his alter ego lies only in modes of reference aka how we conceive the same man

metaphysically, they are numerically identical aka the same concrete human being

leibniz law isn’t about what losi knows, it’s about what is the case in reality
So the “failure” of Abs identity here is only a linguistic opavity problem not a metaphysical one.

This shows, RI is not needed but rather the failure is epistemic, not ontological yes?

[tacit thistle]

jesus is created via Allahs command

word whatever u wanna call ot

[plain ruin]

Are we... treating entities as numbers...

[shell hemlock]

bruh

how do u even have this much time on ur hand

i’m unemployed and i go out and eat and photosynthesis

[tacit thistle]

that constitute separate hypostases yes

[tacit thistle]

heh?

f=father
s=son
h=holy spirit

im lowk bored ngl

[plain ruin]

Sanna hasn't had any issues in her argument so far, the other two are just yapping for the sake of it

[turbid ivy]

Lois Lane knows she loves Superman.

Superman is Clark Kent.

So, Lois Lane knows she loves Clark Kent.

opaque contexts problem, the Abs identity is unclear and incomplete withour RI. Im gonna still use RI. stop me if you can

[plain ruin]

That's my point
Why would you even try to apply MATHEMATICAL CONCEPTS to BEINGS

[turbid ivy]

Do you deny that Action being the motion and passion being the motion?

[tacit thistle]

not separate beings per christians rather separate hypostases

[tacit thistle]

you do know relative Identity is a category error it tries to fix a semantic opacity problem by rewriting the metaphysics of identity, abs is not a rule about knowledge contexts not inherently "incomplete"

[tacit thistle]

Aristotelian metaphysics?

[turbid ivy]

Actually, it's incomplete, it's foolishness to say She loves Clark Kent, when she she doesnt..
The RI solves this problem.

[turbid ivy]

yes

[tacit thistle]

uhh we affirm God’s actions (af'al) as real and volitional but we wouldnt frame them in terms of motion, passion, or Aristotelian causality yk?

[plain ruin]

but God is bound by... mathematical relations?

[spice bobcat]

I smell a philosophy major

It's numerology all over again

And unemployment

[plain ruin]

"7 to the power 7 to the power 7 words in my book🤬"

[spice bobcat]

777 check the 777 digit of pie golden ratio trust me, no you used wrong generator 🤬

[turbid ivy]

I would argue RI is not a category error.
It just complete the Abs identity, because Abs alone is unclear

[tacit thistle]

it's incomplete

RI breaks the logic of identity and is worse than just acknowledging opacity.

RI tries to “solve” it by redefining identity relative to categories, but the problem is semantic, not metaphysical. Abs identity still holds for the actual individual.

lets say superman is clark kent, abs identity replies to the object itself not its belief, RI would be unnecessary because identity in reality is unaffected by the epistemic conetxt

also it destroys transitivity of identity by making it “category relative.” with leibniz' law.

we yapping atp

[plain ruin]

"B-b-but computers don't use cheats to do division they totally don't use approximations and manipulations"

[tacit thistle]

ur gonna affirm RI but ill yap and show args for otherwise

[formal pilot]

It's Sunday

[tacit thistle]

it wont get anywhere lowk

[turbid ivy]

It's called the analogy of the relations.
Do you affirm Action as motion, so does the passion?

Now, RI also solves the problem

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-laughing-cackle-chuckling-gif-24784527

[tacit thistle]

“Allah acts and His action produces real effects in creation, but He Himself is free of motion, change, or being affected.” Ibn Taymiyyah, Majmūʿ al-Fatāwā 6:159

theres ur answer

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-anger-violence-gif-16054679348982863653

[tacit thistle]

LOL

[spice bobcat]

Escape the matrix lil munchkin

[turbid ivy]

Do you affirm Allah as identical to his acts?

[formal pilot]

I already did, it's been years since I solved the matrix

[spice bobcat]

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Nobu go sleep pookie pie

[formal pilot]

Avoid sending unnecessary media in serious chat, it'll affect the essence of this holy place

[spice bobcat]

You're reacting to yourself

[honest merlin]

That media looks serious thou

[turbid ivy]

RI doesnt destory Transtivity, its applicable in a sortal or a category, it also affirms numerical identity in a sortal.

[spice bobcat]

سیباو یو بلیک انڈیویجوال

[tacit thistle]

Abs alone is unclear

You think Abs is “incomplete” because it doesn’t tell us how to handle beliefs or propositions LOL

It is a problem of semantics/linguistics, leibniz law is meant for real properties not epistemic contexts/mental states of subjects

RI says: “x and y can be the same F but different G.” (its yap i know)

Transitivity fails, it become category relative, solves a knowledge problem not metaphysical and all it does is redefine identity which is foolish logically.

[plain ruin]

I swear I ran AIDA64 long enough for this multiplier😞

[plain ruin]

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[formal pilot]

Stop using that keyboard, it sends your data directly to the developers and you can't even stop it

[turbid ivy]

__________________--
The word of Allah {is} Uncreated (inseparable from Allah)
Jesus {is} the word of Allah (Sahih Muslim 195)
C. Therefore, Jesus is uncreated (inseparable from Allah)

From Above,
Isa {is} uncreated
Allah {is} uncreated

IF two things are indentical to the third thing, they must be identical to each other. Therefore, from Transitivity,
Isa = Allah
But Tawhid says Isa /= Allah, Tawhid falls in apart

[formal pilot]

It's easy urdu keyboard, right?

[turbid ivy]

@tacit thistle

[formal pilot]

Alright gang you're getting muted

[spice bobcat]

These scammers can't keep getting away with this 😭😭

[spice bobcat]

No it's the generic one like the arabic keyboard

Google keyboard is that what you mean

[tacit thistle]

his actions do not exist apart from him, nor do they imply any change in him

Acts are not identical to the essence in the sense of being the same “thing” or separate hypostases.
theyre from allah and are inseparable from his will but he is not the act

basically the acts are not identical to the essence, but are inseparable in will and source

[tiny apex]

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[tacit thistle]

I explained this, isa alayhi salam is created via Allahs command his word it doesnt implicate a context regarding the uncreated attribute rather shows Allah said be and he was same with adam

we need jobs lowk

[spice bobcat]

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Dear Otis 🥀💔

[turbid ivy]

Is him identical to his action? kyahah

Acts are not identical to the essence in the sense of being the same “thing” or separate hypostases.
So, then Action is not him? Therefore it exits apart from him, if it's not him.

[tiny apex]

Who is we

[spice bobcat]

He's typing a long racist text in urdu

[formal pilot]

Check the keyboard settings > privacy, turn off all the sus stuff, so yahoodis won't be able to legally track you when you type something bad about them

[turbid ivy]

That explanation fails because eitherway, Isa exists prior to his creation as the spirit or the as the word. do you agree with that?
If you dont, when you say Isa {IS} the word of Allah, do you predicate Is as the predicaton or the identity?

[formal pilot]

I went to check my settings in between typing lol

[tiny apex]

What even is a yahoodi

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-meme-gif-26171444

They actually had smth like that

Google making us all complacent

Time to snort a linux distro

[formal pilot]

New species, native to madagascar

[turbid ivy]

How do i see the avatar

[tacit thistle]

jew

[turbid ivy]

of Sanna 💀

[tiny apex]

They track you anyway scarface good luck trying to hide from the government

[tacit thistle]

No? Allah instantized his speehc which created isa alayhi salam at a certain time.

[formal pilot]

Numbero uno
Log out

[spice bobcat]

It's ok I will rub mud on myself to hide

😃

[tacit thistle]

Allah acts, but the acts are not separate entities, nor is Allah literally identical to them.

[wraith sorrel]

Says the bald

[spice bobcat]

They won't do anything to their shabbos goy

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/ilussion-tree-camouflage-gif-8218245

[spice bobcat]

Better hiding spot than Saddam Hussein

[feral river]

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[turbid ivy]

Since here, word is prior to the creation of Isa,, and of the statement of {IS}, it's either identity statement or predication, in any sense, Isa exists prior to his creation.. Which would mean He is uncreated as the word or as teh Spirit.

[plain ruin]

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They won't neglect their customers again and again 😞

[tiny apex]

Elite reference

[spice bobcat]

Turn all of em off. They're still collecting data with the personalize for you shi

[formal pilot]

Yes ik

[turbid ivy]

So you do affirm then Composition in God?

[formal pilot]

I want them to know how bad they are

[spice bobcat]

Underground ball knowledge

[tiny apex]

Don’t let them steal your cookies

[high rapids]

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[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/saddam-hussein-iraq-fact-checked-gif-5905880316295382591

[high rapids]

Good morning

[formal pilot]

I hope you aren't aware of cookies before internet cookies

[spice bobcat]

Can we spam type jewjewjewjew to spread dominance

[plain ruin]

Don't ask about cupcakes

[tiny apex]

Well there’s cookie the food I don’t think there’s others

[formal pilot]

Aliali is superior

[tiny apex]

Is this some secret code

[spice bobcat]

Stolen cookie returned

[plain ruin]

Idk is it

[feral river]

It is normal that kids would be associated with LGBT inclinations

[plain ruin]

Somehow, the AliA intro popped into my head
Now it won't leave

[tiny apex]

Sounds like there might be some more malicious then just cookies and cupcakes here

[feral river]

Even that was approved by Chinese Communist Party

[plain ruin]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

[feral river]

🏳️‍🌈

[spice bobcat]

🎺🎺🎺🎺🗣️🗣️

[tiny apex]

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[spice bobcat]

What is this Cancer blessing our ears

[plain ruin]

FORK KNIFEEEEE

[formal pilot]

Jewlius Caesar

[plain ruin]

Better than "Islam is xyz" for 15 hours straight

[spice bobcat]

Khyhah

[formal pilot]

Cookies have been used as a slang term

[formal pilot]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[tacit thistle]

The acts are inseparable from his will, but they are effects in creation, not components of God lol

[plain ruin]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[tacit thistle]

He is the word in reference to being created VIA allahs command

[tiny apex]

What am I looking at

💔💔💔

[formal pilot]

First one

[turbid ivy]

Ok, so do you affirm compostion?

[tiny apex]

I’m never looking at cookies the same again

[plain ruin]

Do NOT accept all cookies

[turbid ivy]

So, is the cause of the reference?

[formal pilot]

Don't look inappropriately, it's just food

[plain ruin]

Not really
It's your choice

[tiny apex]

Not after what I just saw Aladdin

[formal pilot]

Putting cookies in milk and making a thick paste like thing is delicious

[tacit thistle]

As in separate components/parts? nah.

[formal pilot]

Nothing sus about it cool cat

[tiny apex]

“Thick paste” 😭

I don’t know what type of cookies you’re eating but it’s not what I’m familiar with

[tacit thistle]

Which is why context matters.

For example, Isa Alayhi salam is the creation via allahs command aka kalamah allah

The Qur'an is the uncreated speech of god that was instantized in time.

when Allah said be and he was it was instantized in time not indicating jesus lived beforehan

[plain ruin]

You could in theory
In reality some are too highly imbedded
But there wouldn't be anything suspicious by simply not accepting all cookies

[formal pilot]

You can also smash cookies preferably Bourbon and mix it with vanilla icecream

It tastes delicious

[tiny apex]

I’m Muslim and not an alcoholic but I’m sure it is

Cookies and ice cream does sound pretty good though

[plain ruin]

Oh I didn't mean "Don't accept any cookies"
But "do not choose to accept all of them"

[formal pilot]

You've done nearly all prohibited things except for alcohol and pork, good Muslim eh

[hoary glen]

good Muslim

[formal pilot]

Have you ever had coconut flavored ice cream?

[tiny apex]

What have I done 😭

[tiny apex]

Didn’t even know that was a thing is it good

[shell hemlock]

guys i am lost in cambodia

[formal pilot]

Yes, it's definitely on my top 5

[shell hemlock]

Allahu Akbar Allah Akbar

[tiny apex]

Might have to try it but I’ve never seen it in stores

[formal pilot]

Because you never go out

[hoary glen]

Pol Pot: I'd also like to know where the airport is.

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-gif-6869608978615405593

[formal pilot]

I've no clue

[tiny apex]

Im going to go shopping tomorrow anyway so ill see if i can find some

[formal pilot]

Deserved

[shell hemlock]

tf did i do

[formal pilot]

I hope you don't shop lift anything

[tiny apex]

With these prices I feel like it would be a crime to NOT shoplift

[hoary glen]

How do Cambodian history books evaluate Pol Pot?

[shell hemlock]

i turned it into a sticker

[shell hemlock]

wdym

[plain ruin]

If you want actual privacy you would need to combine a bunch of things more than just a VPN
You could have your VPN set to Finland but your browser sees your clock as time in China, what language you're using, etc. and that can be reported to the website

If you're talking about VPNs from commercial VPNs, they can mask your connection but not really hide it
They still rely on the device, connections to payment cards, connections on the same underlying network infrastructure, so those are all points where you can still be singled out

[hoary glen]

I'm just curious

[formal pilot]

Thou shouldst make thyself seen upon the stream, that we may behold with our own eyes how wretched a faminnin pilot thou art

[plain ruin]

The same thing thrice?😭

[formal pilot]

Do you think it's a way to oppose big capitalist monsters?

[shell hemlock]

reading ts like “every 60 seconds in africa a minute passes”

[shell hemlock]

it was a very dark time for cambodians fs

[formal pilot]

Typo, lemme fix it

[shell hemlock]

i want to know why is it bad to say females ?

[tiny apex]

That too but also free cinnamon rolls which is the treat of the trip

[hoary glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH4lywFQTfU Every time this song appears, Pol Pot comes up. I quite like this song with its strange lyrics.

[shell hemlock]

ohh this song is actually not related to pol pot but it’s a song about an animal

[formal pilot]

I remember you had the strongest pc among all serious chat enjoyers

[hoary glen]

I know

[shell hemlock]

an owl is a ទីទុយ

[hoary glen]

Unfortunately, the composer of this song was killed during Pol Pot's reign.

[shell hemlock]

i don’t actually rlly know the meaning

[formal pilot]

Get a strong magnetic keychain so you can remove the tags from cool jackets

[shell hemlock]

but apparently the owl is drunk or smth

[shell hemlock]

why r chinese ppls listening to this😭😭

[formal pilot]

It was a joke

[shell hemlock]

oh

[turbid ivy]

But it's still a metaphysical parts because You have real distinct properties in God

[shell hemlock]

i also use females sometimes

[tiny apex]

So I can be coolest cat

[shell hemlock]

females and males

[wary oak]

Wassup serious chat

[fresh flower]

Bombaclaaaaaaaat

[hoary glen]

Because many videos related to Pol Pot like to use this music as background music.

[wary oak]

I just spent 8 hours drinking with some indians

[fresh flower]

I have a doctors appointment at 7 to see if my piss is clean

[shell hemlock]

healthy body btw

[formal pilot]

Feathers or dots

[wary oak]

and i was like yall im in an English server with a bunch of people who cant stop discussing islam

[golden jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/cam-newton-i'm-back-cam-im-back-cam-i'm-back-newton-im-back-cam-newton-gif-7521109742505149139

[tiny apex]

Have you been doing drugs

[shell hemlock]

LOL tbh there’s so many pol pot memes

[wary oak]

I was like yo guys why is everyone discussing islam

[turbid ivy]

I understand, but that is only applicable, if you dont make the identity statement or the predication as Is, where your hadith does

[wary oak]

And they were like modi

[shell hemlock]

awww bro doing pregnancy test i hope it’s a girl

[wary oak]

Dots

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/win-vikings-minnesota-minnesota-vikings-skol-gif-15078080038275304079

[wary oak]

Obviously

[formal pilot]

All immigrants are here, that's interesting

[slender coral]

@fresh plover where are you from if you don't mind asking?

[shell hemlock]

i am not an immigrant

[tacit thistle]

Metaphysical parts would have

• independent existence

• interaction or composition

Gods attributes lack both.

[fresh flower]

I don't do drugs I only drink alhamdlah 🙏🏻

[plain ruin]

Your ISP assigns you an IP
The VPN opens a TCP connection between your IP and the VPN's IP

The problem is, your ISP can see that your IP has opened a the connection, it'll probably see that it's the only connection/multiple connections sometimes, and that it's unintelligible
They can even check for the VPN provider's IP and find out which company it is
So they can tell that you're using a VPN

If we're talking about networks alone, then they "perfectly" mask what you're doing
But privacy isn't just about networks, you still have the real world, if you're enough of a target to a government/legal institution, they could get some data directly from the VPN provider, if a warrant is given

[tiny apex]

Mashallah brother olivander showing those good Muslim values

[slender coral]

@wary oak speaking of discussing Islam.