🧠｜serious-chat

[swift crest]

Hello

[true lark]

Ah but now we're using a different dictionary, slavery is also defined differently by this one

"Slavery is the state of a person being forced to work for another person against their will, with their liberty restricted as if they were property"

[turbid ivy]

Even if you say coercion, that's not allowed in the bible
Exodus 21:16
that comes under stealing a man, or robbing him

[true lark]

This libery being restricted clearly makes it so it cannot be compared to a job

[true lark]

It literally doesnt

We coerce others every single day

Just with differing methods

[turbid ivy]

Ok yeah let's use that defination.. according to the bible, that defination would not apply becaue the man are not forced to work

[true lark]

No? The slave can decide not to work?

[true lark]

If the slave doesn't work, what happens?

[turbid ivy]

So you are a slave master then?

what about that verse, read numbers 25

[true lark]

Coercion isn't just for slaves lmao, it simply means convince

That sounds like forcing!

[true lark]

If the consequence of not working is being beaten that is forcing them to work

Yeah I've almost got them, I got them to admit to another definition and they've definitely driven themselves into a corner now, they're taking longer and longer to respond and are ignoring more of my messages

[turbid ivy]

you would rather ask me, if the employess dont work, what happens? well they get punishment, ie fired. today..
But back then they used to get beaten

[true lark]

Then thats forced

[true lark]

Beating them if they don't work is forcing them to work

[turbid ivy]

Getting punished is forced? So when he gets fired, it'sa also force, because it's also the punishment

[true lark]

Yes, yes that is forxe

Threatening someone with punishment if they don't comply is forcing someone

especially by Threatening or not offering the possibility of choice

[turbid ivy]

He gets free if any parts of his body gets in trouble
(Exodus 21:26–27, KJV):

26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake.
27 And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake.

So, this law forces the master to discipline him not roughly

[true lark]

Yes, it's also a form of coercion, AND a form of force

[turbid ivy]

Ok cool, so modern day employers practice slavery then?

[turbid ivy]

so it's a slavery in that sense?

[true lark]

No lol, being forced ≠ slavery, force is simple ONE aspect of slavery

You're twisting words again lmfao

Fucking bullshit

[turbid ivy]

Ok cool, so that's not slavery.
So what is slavery then? because the bible is not meeting those criterias khyahah

Which verse

[true lark]

Idfk but they're saying such nonsense now I don't even know what to say back, I don't have logical counterarguments if no part of what they say has any tie to logic or truth

Now I'm getting angry and it's no longer fun

Hate it when people stop using valid arguments and just use bullshit and claim they're right even though they just agreed what they're saying isn't right

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[turbid ivy]

he can settle in Israel as a freeman.. and isralites would provide for them,, we have every good things actaully

Deuteronomy 10:18–19 (NIV)

“He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing.
And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.”

Also more
Deuteronomy 27:19 (NIV)

“Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”

Does it say in that chapter they were taken as sexual objects? if for the sexual objects, why they did kill the isralite men who had sex with those women ?

[true lark]

I've been arguing for 2h 15m straight now so I'll make some breakfast, it's 6:46am now

[turbid ivy]

Beucase the master gives in marriage to his daughters.. that's why. and it that law is to unite them together

[true lark]

So long as there's a shred of reason it's fun for me, but as soon as that goes out the window...

[turbid ivy]

Keeping them for yourself means sex?
If you keep yourself cat, does that mean you sex a cat? silly

Look at the context, isralite men had sex with those women, Moses killed those men and women..
So if it was for sex, why would he kill those men when they committed adultery with them? that proves it was not clearly for the seuxal purpose

[turbid ivy]

Which country?

[true lark]

A country in this timezone

[turbid ivy]

@fresh plover read numbers 25 for the context

[true lark]

I have actually been dropped....

[turbid ivy]

Im doing productive.. im asnwering your mis conceptions

[crystal kayak]

@fresh plover why did you argue with him in the first place 😭😭

[turbid ivy]

Why do you think im doing this for money?

[slender coral]

I know about this. Ancient and medieval religions were werid af.

[turbid ivy]

what's weired in that chapter?

[true lark]

I had fun for a while

It passed the time, I got some practice

[turbid ivy]

I do , im alive

[true lark]

Now the block button is getting some exercise

[turbid ivy]

Do you have any further questions or accusations?

BTW i know more abt the bible then i know abt the Islam
ALthough im ask an imam 2.0

Ok, now, can i ask you questions?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

khyaha, it's the morning here

[true lark]

It's morning here too, I'm still going to sleep once I get some food in me

[turbid ivy]

nymmm

[turbid ivy]

who would prepare the food for you

[high rapids]

Hello, what would you like to order?

[true lark]

@turbid ivy sorry what

I cant make my own food?

[turbid ivy]

cause you are sleeping?

[true lark]

Even if I couldnt, there is plenty of premade food for sale lol

[true lark]

No, I'm sleeping once I get food in me

Not before

If I don't eat first I'll be grumpy

[true lark]

After*

[turbid ivy]

you must be fat

girls often make such mistakes and become fat

[true lark]

What the fuck

Um I'm literally underweight you weirdo @turbid ivy

Get a fucking life and stop calling strangers who you don't know at all fat

[high rapids]

I would block him

[true lark]

This is straight up misogyny

[true lark]

Long did so

[high rapids]

ED?

Thanks

[true lark]

This actually genuinely harmful

I'm making a user report ticket

[crystal kayak]

What about you

[true lark]

I have, had friends who did so

[high rapids]

Tell the girls to just stop eating.

[crystal kayak]

That is why you have ED

Or

Is that the cause of your ED

[true lark]

Yes most eating disorders are psychological

[turbid ivy]

any questions?

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/stone-stone-cold-steve-austin-beer-gif-15987458507410210619

[high rapids]

yes

Why are you such an idiot?

[true lark]

One of the classics

Remember watching that for religion class

[slender coral]

What movie/show is it from?

[true lark]

You don't know?

[slender coral]

Nope

Just wrote "stoning" in the gif search engine.

[true lark]

Monty Python's Life of Brian

[true lark]

Very good if you don't mind it's comedic approach to religion

If you do mind I recommend instead watching the Holy Grail

[crystal kayak]

No I thought body dysmorphia is the cause of your ED

Never met anyone with ED so I am kind of uneducated on it

[slender coral]

This is funny 😭
https://youtu.be/ffwFXGPRDu4?si=BL1GoNtVNmNCHDSB

[crystal kayak]

He is among the people who voted for their president on Discord

[turbid dome]

Religion in a nutshell

[true lark]

Good haha

[swift crest]

No wonder I got banned to talk here
No wonder!!!

[slender coral]

I wish we have as many media mocking Islam as we have with Christianity one day.

[turbid dome]

Well whenever someone even draws Muhammad, even like a professor trying to construct a historically accurate picture for a university class, they receive death threats

[slender coral]

I still remember the French teacher who got beheaded.
RIP Samuel Paty.

[turbid dome]

That’s insane

[plain ruin]

Every experience with an evangelist, ever

[slender coral]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/03/french-pupil-father-samuel-paty-teacher-islamist-beheading-murder-paris

[high rapids]

I look at the name of the perpetrator and know that he was not French.

[turbid dome]

“Paty had used the images as part of an ethics class to discuss free speech laws in France and the question of “dilemmas”. He posed the question “to be or not to be Charlie?”, referring to the #JeSuisCharlie hashtag used to express support for the paper after a terrorist attack on its offices in January 2015 that killed 12 people.”

So he’s literally an ethics teacher posing a question about ethics. Lmao

Scandal: ethics teacher asks morally complex ethics question

Not particularly, better than a lot of places but that’s more due to the US fucking them up then good governance

[slender coral]

In the shitholes the people who killed him come from, you don't dare to go somewhere near that.
For them, what's right and wrong is easy to determine through their medieval texts and backward traditions, and any questioning to that could lead you to anywhere from prison to death.

[high rapids]

"Why nobody likes us"

[slender coral]

Imagine I shoot someone praying in the middle of the street, and I go "actions have consequences".

[plain ruin]

He's the type of "Christian" to say both of these things at the same time:

• Killing the babies/children of baby killers was right and just
• Abortion is bad 🤬 Why would you murder an unborn child 🤬

[slender coral]

It's not that truly value life, I'll always say it they just want to control women.

[turbid dome]

Do you not think that trying to use available descriptions and archaeological evidence to put together an image of a historical figure is important?

[turbid dome]

It’s insane tbh

Idk I mean there’s not the food insecurity that exists in parts of Africa or Asia, that’s a big positive

I mean, some people are but not nearly as much

[plain ruin]

For him it has less about controlling women.
Some people believe that abortions are bad because any killing not explicitly sanctioned by God are bad
But that killing children of xyz group was commanded, so its okay!

[high rapids]

haha

Soon we will be rid of you from Europe. Our time is coming.

[turbid dome]

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/hamline-settles-with-sacked-professor-muhammad-censorship-2515768?amp=1

this is from an Islamic arts class as an example

They chose to take the class

[high rapids]

haha

[plain ruin]

That's not done by muslims and for muslims though
It's a sin for muslims attempting to do it in terms of making images of God, i.e. for purposes of worship/veneration

That's not what is being done with the prophet's picture in this context though

The context was talking about non-muslims using the picture for their own purposes

If you're going to use scripture as justification, there isn't justification to kill anyone for a sin in your religion, especially when the country itself isn't a muslim one to begin with

[slender coral]

And then you guys complain about Islamophobia 😭

[plain ruin]

You're reinforcing the stereotype, Abdul

[turbid dome]

As a young earth creationist I find this geology class anti-Christian because it implies the earth is more than 5000 years old. Please fire this professor

[slender coral]

Stereotypes are based on something real sometimes, especially this one.

That's out of love? You love him, so you don't want people to insult him?

I don't hate you.

[turbid dome]

Also it’s funny to use the statistic of Islam growing fast when it’s because of poverty and restrictions leading to poor birth control access.

[slender coral]

It's very tribal for them.
"Bigger number, good onga bonga."

[high rapids]

You really think it will come to that?

[uncut tiger]

Majeed

[turbid ivy]

yes we christians arent' allowed to force anyone, unlike islam, it's forced and yikes

[high rapids]

@winter echo Please don't marry a child, leave them alone, they don't love you.

[slender coral]

I've been told it's like a love for a parent many times before. People told me "we won't accept an insult to the prophet just like we don't accept it to our parents, and we love the prophet more than our parents".

[uncut tiger]

Every Muslim wants Sharia law until they get it

[turbid dome]

We really just should get rid of religion entirely

[turbid ivy]

You can be ignorant abt your religion, not me. Im ask a muslim 2.0 khyahah

[plain ruin]

This worldview of yours, it's inviting the hate from Christian evangelist types

[uncut tiger]

Alright we're back to Islam again

[turbid dome]

Educated regions are becoming less and less religious. Wonder why that is

[uncut tiger]

Mashallah look at these beautiful Muslim brothers strengthening each other's beliefs 😻

[high rapids]

because of people like you

[plain ruin]

Yeah that's generally true
Though I was of the opinion that muslims weren't ordered to force their belief system on others, when living in a land ruled by non-muslims? Or is that incorrect?

[turbid ivy]

Religions doesnt that i gotta let them die with hungers.. in athiesm you have no such concepts... and infact it's the most selfish society, everybody seeking thier own interests

[turbid dome]

Probably something to do with the fact that your average person doesn’t have power because the countries are led by right wing psychos who often use religious communities as their base

[plain ruin]

I think that's just to troll Christians/Conservatives tbf
Anyone who actually has heard him speak knows that he doesn't have a religious agenda

[high rapids]

Why so mad

[turbid ivy]

in Islam, yes

[turbid dome]

US uses evangelicals, Europe has Catholics, etc

That’s uniform regardless of religion

[turbid ivy]

what's interesting abt him?

[plain ruin]

Then when someone says the same about you, you should keep the same standard

[slender coral]

What I say as response is this:
It's equating insulting belief or public figures (such as Mohamed) to insulting your parents is wrong. Your parents aren't affecting the lives of billions of people. Want a closer analogy? Imagine one of your parents as a politician in a corrupt and messy state, his decisions affect people and their image is affected by their environment. Do you think anyone criticizing/mocking them deserves punishment?
Of course I don't believe it's unfair to criticize/mock Islam, but I think you need to realize that as you yourself said previously actions have consequences, and the consequences of Islamic oppression is a lot of hate and contempt toward it and its followers.

[turbid dome]

“Please don’t offend me also I don’t care what you think”

[plain ruin]

America Forgot /j

[turbid ivy]

heshould work more than he speaks.. your actions should be louder than your speech.. most politicians only speaks, dont just get too motivated

[high rapids]

I don't seek refuge in another country and then criticize the people there and wonder why my religion is not welcome

[uncut tiger]

Are these two separate conversations

[turbid dome]

It’s like criticizing my dad vs criticizing the president. One of them is remotely powerless but could be criticized. One of them is extremely powerful and we shouldn’t pull punches

For you, not for everyone who doesn’t follow it

[high rapids]

Isn't it stupid to say that just because you're unable to defend yourself? But since you didn't contradict me, I guess you agree with me.

[turbid dome]

Yeah. That’s the other thing. Like no science professor would get fired for contradicting the Bible

[plain ruin]

Yeah, I see most of his content/policy seems to actually be about policy that makes more sense. I especially like his take on the new departments of police
End of the day, the other two sides are relying on defaming him/his policies moreso than actually trying to promote their policies

[turbid ivy]

Then he is not even religous

[high rapids]

yes

[slender coral]

Correct, they should abide by local laws. But that's not a strong rule. Allah wouldn't be so mad at the kid who killed the teacher, if he didn't reward him for it lol
I know one authentic Hadith where a man who killed his concubine who gave birth to his child for mocking Mohamed and Mohamed didn't punish him. There are also Hadiths of assassinations against Arab poets who mocked Islam but I'm unsure of their authenticity.

[turbid ivy]

it's a dawah tactic or he is not religious

[turbid dome]

Nobody is forcing you to take an Islamic art history class or take an ethics class. You’re trying to impose your religion on everyone

[swift crest]

If respecting your religion means blindly accepting and not questioning it
I don't respect it.

[turbid ivy]

But he believes in a sky daddy, doesnt he? hahaahah

Do you know his religions teaches that you can decieve people to win the favor from them?

[turbid dome]

I don’t respect the beliefs of people who tell me the earth is 5000 years old, why do I care about not drawing some historical figure that even Muslims drew

Like this artwork was drawn by Muslims

[turbid ivy]

This is it

[turbid dome]

You want everyone to follow a prohibition on showing the prophet based off your religious beliefs

[feral river]

we don't need any reason to target against a backward ideology which continuously send people into cycle of chaos, instability and poor

[high rapids]

Could we ask the women/children in the Middle East and Africa if they would say that? Or the Europeans who have to live with this plague?

[feral river]

Islam is backward ideology which is totally based on the scam ignores the reality only focus on non-existence spirit and their supreme being

such ideology will get exterminated gradually by time

[turbid dome]

Drawn by a Muslim btw (spoiler, Muhammad so don’t click on the spoiler if you don’t want to see it)

[feral river]

because it was the opposite of the development of the human civilization

[plain ruin]

Yeah I thought so
I think even the most conservative muslims are mostly choosing what and what not to follow

Honestly every muslim does, but it's the fact that the conservatives claim to be more "muslim" than others, and still ignore these conversations

[feral river]

and we are helping country which is getting these piece of shit

🇺🇸 🇮🇱

**LONG LIVE THE WAR ON TERROR 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇫🇷 **

[turbid dome]

I only bring it up when it’s relevant. In this case because professors trying to teach people about the history of Islamic art get harassed

[high rapids]

I hope someone will soon march into Africa and the Middle East to resume the fight against terrorism!

[feral river]

don't worry even if we do nothing they will exterminate themselves in this cycle

[turbid dome]

I don’t have a religion and don’t particularly care about cultural norms. No double standard

[feral river]

their cycle is chaos, war, and poor

our cycle is development, prosperity and inclusive

[high rapids]

true

[turbid dome]

I just want whatever is optimal for people

[feral river]

now we have to get them the fuck out of our cycle

if you are not ready to defend civilization, you are ready to accept barbarianism

Hail Trump administration and his deportation effort

[slender coral]

Bro looks handsome here, doesn't suit him.

[feral river]

mass deportation

[turbid dome]

Getting real risky removing the spoiler

[feral river]

there's nothing more efficient than get them back to where they are

[turbid dome]

Nah, just some basic education, disbanding churches, and all that

[feral river]

lmao dude can't even stand out to hold a quran in public at some places already

[high rapids]

PLEASE DON'T BLOW YOURSELF UP

[feral river]

don't worry we will take more efficient action to crack down on these backward ideology

with every cost

[plain ruin]

Disband any church that riles up political ideologies imo

[feral river]

reeducation is also a nice choice 🇨🇳

reeducation works

[turbid dome]

I mean tbh all influence it on a subtle level.

[feral river]

reeducation deportation isolation is what we need to hold them off

[turbid dome]

It did on puyi

[feral river]

and we are going to implement it

and we shall continue the war on terror

[turbid dome]

None tied to religion or culture. I’m fully secularist

[feral river]

we did that and nothing happened

[high rapids]

yes

[feral river]

if they do something crazy because we did disband some freaking shit they are going to face law enforcement officers and military

don't worry we had the enforcement

[turbid dome]

Now occasionally the CIA tried to open up a religious sect and claim persecution when they get prosecuted for being the CIA

[feral river]

our factory could produce probably thousands of guns a day

we aren't lacking of guns and survelliance devices

[slender coral]

Ok ok, I know fundamentalism plauges the Muslim world, I live among those people unfortunately. But your solutions are still unreasonable and even disrespectful to the western values and laws you claim to defend. I understand if you want to stop immigration, but deporting people who already have citizenships or residence status is outright fascist, many of those if not most are productive members of society. You want to protect your society against religious fundamentalism, but what you wanna do is something that's on racial basis instead of religious basis.

[feral river]

just don't worry

[feral river]

that's how we get their freedom off the place where they are

they could enjoy their freedom to practice their religion but they choose to cooperate with CIA

then I'm sorry they don't deserve it

[turbid dome]

Exactly

[feral river]

we will just get rid of it totally

🇨🇳

[plain ruin]

I mean as in sermons and such
For example I grew up in Kuwait, and have grown up in a Catholic church
They tend to have moderate/anti-violence policies if they're talking about global situations
They ask to pray for both sides to stop fighting and resolve everything in a peaceful manner, rather than attempting to justify one side over the other, like is done by many priests all over America
The Christians who pray, do good, don't ask for religious involvement in politics, they're aight

[feral river]

even anti-Chinese western guys would appreciate our work on dealing with Islam

LMFAO 🤣

[turbid dome]

See I view the idea of defaulting to peace a political thing too. Peace is not always justice

[feral river]

their old piece of crap is just too easy to destroy

[turbid dome]

Interestingly enough they hate China enough to care about the right of Muslims in China even though they are Islamophobic

[feral river]

on internet they shout for palestine for their piece of crap and genocide, in reality they do nothing but beg for life when they see law enforcement offciers

or get them deported by themselves in detention centers

US detention centers even worse than reeducation camps

lmfao

[high rapids]

I have nothing against migrants or people who immigrate here as long as everyone follows the rules, but just because someone has been granted citizenship does not mean that they can behave however they want, and they should be deported if they commit a crime against another person (man, woman, diverse, trans, etc.). I also expect Austrians to follow the rules, but we both know that's not always the case.

[feral river]

what a fucking crap

[turbid dome]

Not good for people. But locking people up doesn’t change anything. It should be fixed by tackling the root causes of poverty and mental health. Then instead of jailing people who only do drugs they should be rehabilitated and treated. Drug dealers should go through criminal proceedings though

[plain ruin]

I agree, even in the Israel-Palestine conflict, obviously peace isn't justice to the Palestinians
But I also think that no country is ever going to back up a single state with total equality anymore. Peace is the best option rather than to continue fighting, sometimes. And that opinion isn't totally political

[turbid dome]

I mean, I guess I view politics and religion as one and the same, so I would view it as political.

[feral river]

okay says by F-22

[plain ruin]

"Any publicity is good publicity"
Yikes

[high rapids]

yes

[feral river]

nobody gives a fuck about his piece of crap

and he can't change the situation at all

[slender coral]

A citizen who doesn't follow the rules is imprisoned, why make the distinction based on whether they are immigrant or not though?
European Christians themselves were very similar to Muslims, if not often worse than them. But Europe moved past through it's bad habits and phases through equality, liberty, and justice systems that focus on reintegration instead of revenge.

[plain ruin]

I get that too
Historically, scriptures are quite political
At the end of the day, I think that it's entirely possible for places of worship/teaching religion in a way that promotes good actions to be done without indoctrinating/imposing on others
I think the fact that religious conflicts are occurring, are more to do with money/politicians trying to stoke up religion first (and with more and more effort)

[swift crest]

Keep wondering mate

[turbid dome]

Yeah, I don’t think religious conflicts exist in a real capacity today. In the past they were mostly down to personal interest coinciding with religion imo

[high rapids]

Why would you grant citizenship to someone who was not born here?

[turbid dome]

Try telling the Taliban they aren’t Muslim and see what happens 😂

[plain ruin]

Yeah exactly
It's more political rather than fundamental

[high rapids]

They´re extremist

[plain ruin]

I think you should give a check on how many countries:

• Give citizenship to an individual based on them being born in the country
• Give citizenship to an individual based on naturalization (after meeting conditions showing that they provided actual value to the country)

You'll find out that it's actually a very small amount of countries that follow the first option, people think it's a common thing worldwide only because of the US

[slender coral]

That's not for me to decide, it's for you and your fellow citizens. I just don't think the retrospective approach that you wanna take to nullify the citizenships of people who already went through the legal process you set to obtain citizenship is fair, and it certainly is not.

[feral river]

dude be curious on your sky

get to shelter in time plz

[high rapids]

I think the left wing came up with that; they need votes in the election right now.

[plain ruin]

The polarization is crazy

[turbid dome]

Minecraft is Chinese, can you point to when China lost to sheep herders?

[high rapids]

Very well, then I'll just say that it's not up to me to decide. I'm only casting my vote in the elections, but I have to go now. Thank you for the conversation, and I'll think about your arguments. Thank you!:)

[turbid dome]

Fair enough lmao

[shell hemlock]

abdul is back

[turbid dome]

We need Abdul el sayed, the better Abdul

[feral river]

vietnam was fucked after a war with us

LMFAO

[slender coral]

Don't undervalue your vote. Most people don't have that and cannot speak up their minds without fearing for their lives and the lives of their loved ones.

[feral river]

vietnam totally lost their cambodia and friendship with the soviets while maintaining millions of troops at the border

they sucked up their economy

dude is talking like Vietnam won lmfao

even we take their islands that's the only territorial change

🤣

L

[turbid dome]

They clearly believe they’re representing Islam. Maybe they don’t apply Islamic law exactly right but they’re certainly instituting laws on the basis of Islam

[feral river]

PRC never lost any major conflict since it was established

[turbid dome]

Vietnam won the war but lost geopolitically because they ended up making their economy open to the west and have gotten absolutely pillaged. At least when China opened up its economy it developed

[feral river]

it's hard to say they have won because even based on the aim they are about to take over the Cambodia after the war they did retreat from there

and we aren't aimed to take any of their territory besides that island

it's us made a deal with the US to make Vietnam back off from their campaign while suck off their economy

[turbid dome]

Well they won the civil war but not the whole indochinese peninsular war

[feral river]

and we did destroy everything, take everything from the occupation zone

we destroyed I mean literally everything

[plain ruin]

@shell hemlock your people are being talked about

[feral river]

even houses, hospitals, and even cows and sheep we killed all of it and moved back to China

even at that time Yunnan becomes a huge market instantly because we took too much from Vietnam

their railways, factories, houses, farms, totally destroyed

[turbid dome]

Yunnan looks cool btw

Nice scenery

[feral river]

that war was aimed to destroy their capability to take over the Cambodia and halt their offensive campaign while suck off their economy

so based on our perspectives, we won

but they would claim they have won because we did retreat from there ?

I don't see any benefits or interests they gained from the war

they lost everything in our occupation zone and their island is now ours

and they did retreat from Cambodia

what point to say they won in this war ?

[exotic vigil]

Yo

[shell hemlock]

why us

CAMBODIA NUMBER 1 :TOP1

[feral river]

back to August when I was on vacation in Thailand I fled over Yunnan and stayed there for few hours for transit

it was pretty nice

we just retreat without a battle after we already take everything they had in our occupation zone

the battle was mainly about the start of the war

you can take the record to see how it goes

it is not an another suffering Korean war, we already made exchanges with America and talk about how we are going to deal with the Soviets and Vietnam

even the war started, most of our troops are at north and stay alert

[true lark]

Lol just got a scam text:
"Hey dad my phone broke, this is my new number, please message me on WhatsApp scamlinky.net"
Guess I'm a father now somehow?

[shell hemlock]

isn't this during pol pot where vietnam invaded cambodia and united states was dropping bombs over us

oh actually that was a different year

this is what happened in 1973 which i’m pretty sure was 2 years before pol pot

[feral river]

The reason cited for the attack was to support China's ally, the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, in addition to the mistreatment of Vietnam's ethnic Chinese minority and the Vietnamese occupation of the Spratly Islands which were claimed by China. To prevent Soviet intervention on Vietnam's behalf, Deng warned Moscow the next day that China was prepared for a full-scale war against the Soviet Union; in preparation for this conflict, China put all of its troops along the Sino-Soviet border on an emergency war alert, set up a new military command in Xinjiang, and evacuated an estimated 300,000 civilians from the Sino-Soviet border.[55] In addition, the bulk of China's active forces (as many as one-and-a-half million troops) were stationed along China's border with the Soviet Union.[56]

it is exactly what I'm saying

[shell hemlock]

china was an ally of khmer rouge ?

[feral river]

we are the biggest supporter of Khmer Rouge wym

there's no Khmer Rouge if there's no us

even Pol Pot was a total radical Maoist

[shell hemlock]

pol pot was a rlly rough time for us tbh n that killed millions

[true lark]

Your are... very arrogant

[shell hemlock]

i’m pretty sure he learned communism from mao

[coral belfry]

yep

[shell hemlock]

he thought he could make it work in cambodia

[feral river]

none of our business, what do we focus is the national interest

we simply can't care less they aren't our taxpayers

[true lark]

Tone that down, even if you're right or whatever

[feral river]

indeed

[coral belfry]

yep pot pot is a really evil guy

[true lark]

The US is not a Criminal organization, their main goal isn't crime

[feral river]

but at least Khmer Rouge did provide what we wanted for and also with the United States

the biggest supporter is us and the second is the United States

competing against Soviet-backed Vietnam

[true lark]

...

I didn't even deny they commit crimes

I just argued over the semantics

@fresh plover ready for round two?

[plain ruin]

Then why are you using... Sigh

[true lark]

This tells me nothing lol, I don't know what the sharia law is

Don't explain though

Instead

Why don't you explain to me what sharia law is @winter echo

Shh let me break their spirit

[feral river]

lmao

what you can get from a war with a great power

[true lark]

@winter echo explain that sharia law please

[feral river]

the best case is you maintained your regime with huge cost

that's what the best you could have

just like the war between Finland and Soviet Union

[limber moat]

hello everyone I'm here to improve my English, because I have an important interview next month it's very important to me and I want to be accepted so let's speak freely.

[true lark]

I'd rather ask you, you're arguing for it apparently

Oh you deleted your message

Funky

[coral belfry]

go talk to people in the voice chats
the serious chat isnt the best place to learn english

[true lark]

✨ Freaky ✨ some might even say

[feral river]

ragebait

say something fucked

and you automatically learn english

[shell hemlock]

literally the worst place to learn english

[feral river]

bs

[true lark]

@winter echo explain it, otherwise whatever arguments you're making are practically void if you don't even dare to defend them

[shell hemlock]

all you can learn from here is terms you can refer to people you disagree with

[feral river]

it's fun in serious chat dude

[slender coral]

💀

[true lark]

Why though???

[plain ruin]

At least he's pointing you to a VC, instead of ChatGPT

[true lark]

If you don't dare explain your points to me

[limber moat]

Yehia, I get it, okay thanks for the advice. I will do that

[shell hemlock]

abdul is right tho

you should ask people who are more knowledgeable

[true lark]

If you're not knowledgeable why do you think you're qualified to say wether or not you should defend it

High five

[shell hemlock]

what am i defending ? 💀

[true lark]

Not you

[shell hemlock]

i just told you to ask people who are more knowledgeable

[true lark]

Abdul

[slender coral]

Btw, if you go there don't push back against there answers or they'd insult you and ban you from the VC. Their feelings are very fragile so be careful.

[shell hemlock]

you only get banned or muted from there bc you made blasphemous claims* 🗿

[true lark]

I'm not going anywhere there, I'm having Abdul explain it, if you're defending a law you should at least be able to explain it to someone

[plain ruin]

Arguably there are a couple Nobus in every vc

[true lark]

Sayings or beliefs that are in direct confrontation to a religion

[plain ruin]

Not all of the Nobus spend their time in #🧠｜serious-chat

[shell hemlock]

you haven’t even been to the vc

[coral belfry]

i dont think these guys are qualified
just go ask people who had studied in al azhar or smth

[true lark]

Because otherwise my point still stands, you aren't qualified to defend the laws either

Then why are you defending something you know so little of

I'm not going there, you defended it, you should know, telling me to go there in no way proves you know a thing

I've still got no clue about the law,I might agree

[slender coral]

Funnily, mods in the Christian VC have much patience. There was a guy there who asked an interesting question about whether or not Jesus wore something on the cross or not, they simply answered and moved on though he laughed at it and the whole thing was obviously to insult Jesus. I also saw them conversing with someone critical of Christianity for an hour or so, and things were calm.

[shell hemlock]

ok so like you kinda have to be in the vc to accuse them of something so

[plain ruin]

She has a point
Why/how are you defending something that you don't even know about?

[true lark]

I feel like I should ask you, you don't even dare explain the concept you're defending to me

[plain ruin]

That imbalance does exist
I'd attribute that moreso to the fact of Christian vs Islam in terms of economy+education

If the script was flipped and "Christian" and "Muslim" countries swapped places, I think it would be the opposite

[true lark]

The sharia laws

[shell hemlock]

there is a mod there called greed and he is the most knowledgable in that vc but ofc he's not shiekh or imam or scholar, we kinda just take what we know and interpret it ourselves

[true lark]

@fresh plover can you link me to where they were defending them

[shell hemlock]

you said 'questioning your faith is blasphemy' as if you have been in the vc, i said "you only get banned or muted from there bc you made blasphemous claims"

[plain ruin]

Let's start with the killing of the professor

[true lark]

Lots of deflections, no explaining, chicken or the egg

[shell hemlock]

anyway i am always arguing about some petty shite

where's the real conversation

[true lark]

I'll leave it to you, they still haven't explained shit so I've got no clue what I'm even arguing against, I think they're pretty roasted already, all feathers burnt

[slender coral]

I see what you mean, but I really don't know. Maybe some elements of Christianity can be helpful in making even the fundamentalist a bit rational and calm, like the thing about loving your enemies and giving the other cheek and so on. Islam on the other hand have always been heavily militarized since the moment it was born.

[shell hemlock]

[true lark]

@winter echo bald chicken please explain stuff so I do

[plain ruin]

Last time I said "extremist" on this server was on the 25th of October

[true lark]

My point exactly is that I've got no clue, yet you refuse to elaborate

[true lark]

Geez, 11h discussion

Yup thanks

could you explain stuff first?

[muted pecan]

idk but they were right

[shell hemlock]

nope you are wrong, it is not ‪♡

[true lark]

Might even agree with you

[true lark]

Might be my fault, I simplified the definition

[plain ruin]

I think any/every religion will water down, with education
Christianity has the other verses + neoliberalism on its side, in our reality

There are Bible verses such as the mark of Cain, the "Curse of Ham" which were used as justification for slavery

No matter the religion, I'm sure that education and conversation will water down the bad

[slender coral]

It's a group of laws based on Quran (the holy book of Muslims), Sunnah (a collection of narratives about Mohamed and his sayings), and narratives about what his companions and their followers used to do after his death in the realm of justice.

[true lark]

Aagh you're messing up my point by explaining

[slender coral]

Srry

[shell hemlock]

yep and you said questioning faith is blasphemy which it is not, also don’t call me sweetheart as provocation

[plain ruin]

You're actively defending murder
Imagine someone said "Israel is right to kill Palestinians"

You would, rightly say that people like this are why hatred against Israelis/Israeli supporters are rising

That's pretty factual

[true lark]

But... isn't it you who had their guts scooped out to make a nice Halloween pumpkin decoration? You're arguing for these points yet refusing to explain them yourself

[plain ruin]

Huh😭
I just gave 2 examples, to show that it was my latest message on the subject and not the oldest

[true lark]

Because my very valid argument, what right have you to argue for or against something if you aren't even able to explain it

[muted pecan]

how tf isnt he banned yet

[true lark]

No that's quite literally why people are against lol

Oh actually

[plain ruin]

How so?
You're defending murder on the basis that he insulted muslims

Israel supporters are defending murder on the basis that muslims insult them

[slender coral]

@true lark@fresh ploverI'd wanna say, if you don't wanna waste your time, don't continue a conversation after a dead end. Muslims particularly are very not used to hearing critical stuff about their faith, so conversations with them are typically not easy and are driven mainly by feelings, so sometimes you gotta wait until people's feelings calm a bit.

[true lark]

You know what's funny

[muted pecan]

oh my friend is tho, w8

[true lark]

I'm fully accepting of people's faith, if they just explained it to me there is about a 80% chance I would not argue against it because its v their religion

[shell hemlock]

that’s the thing though, you were never in the vc so how can you know they were simply ‘questioning a faith’ whether or not in a mocking or understanding way ?

[true lark]

You have no reason to believe as such without even trying mr. Bald chicken

[plain ruin]

At least no one will kill you for insulting @true lark 🙏💯

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-down-not-happy-serious-disagree-disapprove-gif-16881698

[thorny steeple]

me too can u give me some brain cells

[shell hemlock]

ah i see so you choose to agree with them because they are not muslims

i see what you are insinuating now

[muted pecan]

could you ping the message where he was defending murder? i cant find it

[cerulean pivot]

What y'all are talking about

[thorny steeple]

no idea

hey zenax

[shell hemlock]

islam of course what else

[true lark]

I'm not, I don't even have a CLUE what you're talking about

[shell hemlock]

as long as muslims are in this channel the topic will always divert to islam

[slender coral]

You are saying that to Shawn omfg 😭

[true lark]

Yup I mean, doesn't get more well done than that tbh

[cerulean pivot]

Damn We are that attractive

[slender coral]

Dude, she told you she doesn't wanna debate.

[slender coral]

That explains why Nobu likes Hijabis.

[plain ruin]

What does this have to do with Islam
Why should someone die because of an image, even if it's not a mockery?
I've been the most defensive of Islam among the non-muslims, if you've actually paid attention to me over the weeks.
I'd even argue and say that some of the statements you've made today are actually against Islamic teaching too

[cerulean pivot]

Can't blame him

[plain ruin]

LMAO😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

1 sec

[shell hemlock]

that’s one muslim, don’t generalize lol

[true lark]

Because I don't want to hear it from them, they're not the people here arguing for it, you are, and you have no reason to be arguing for it if you cannot even try explaining it

[true lark]

Yes, that's kind of how that works

[turbid ivy]

what is slavery?

[cerulean pivot]

Al falawla

[true lark]

Unless you want to prove you do know, all you have to do is explain it

[shell hemlock]

not every muslims support sharia law btw

[slender coral]

يا صباح الفلافل و الحمص و البابا غنوغ

[plain ruin]

@muted pecan #🧠｜serious-chat message

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[turbid ivy]

you dont support the law of muhammad? ignorant muslim khahha

[true lark]

The point is that you cannot prove you're knowledgeable without explaining it

[shell hemlock]

@plain ruin help all the islam haters are here

[muted pecan]

@fervent imp please save us

[true lark]

It didn't matter that devil explained it because they're not the one in question

[swift crest]

To all non muslims
How do I not get triggered personally by all this muslim debates
How?
Bro atp I am getting physical triggers after looking at these debates.!!😭 😭 😭 😭

[plain ruin]

It's not about Islam haters (Unless you're talking about Nobu)
It's about Abdul, you don't have the context of where the conversation began and the wild stuff he's been saying for quite a long time now

[true lark]

Let it be clear btw that I'm not arguing against you, just against the refusal to explain by abdul

Saw that

[shell hemlock]

i’m talking about that disgusting rat that fetishize muslim women

[shell hemlock]

i’m not talking about you dw

[cerulean pivot]

I'm getting molestation triggers

[true lark]

You must do more than simply know of something in order to competently argue in favour of it

[slender coral]

The guy who wanted to improve his accent disappeared omfg 😭
You guys are scaring off English learners.

[plain ruin]

Got confused because you said "all" the islam haters😭

[true lark]

Yes, I'm sure that I want you to explain it to me from the perspective of someone who supports her

[cerulean pivot]

Look whoz talking

[true lark]

It*

[shell hemlock]

i’m triggered by you cuz where is ur hijab

[slender coral]

You get used to it I guess. Just don't pressure yourself too much. Disengage when you find things getting heated.

[true lark]

That's not something to be proud of...

[cerulean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-gif-26931504

[plain ruin]

Nobu stole it from @cerulean pivot's house
Don't ask why

[muted pecan]

being stupid aint a flex

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/behave-yourself-by-allah-taste-of-my-shoe-angry-mad-gif-17675875

[shell hemlock]

when that rat is here all the islamophobes have a stand without knowing the context behind his behavior and jut agrees to whatever his fk ahh says

[cerulean pivot]

Isn't that guy in jail now

[true lark]

"Fluent" huh...

[shell hemlock]

zenax has a hot pink hijab

[swift crest]

I feel like I'll prolly crash out
I just slept for an hour
It still didn't get better
I'll go back to sleep guys
Byebyeee

[cerulean pivot]

I wish

[slender coral]

He died

[cerulean pivot]

Ohh
Even better

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[true lark]

That's cross the line a tad there

[plain ruin]

I'll be sure to take screenshots of Nobu's past quotes that are in support of the same radical beliefs

[true lark]

🤣 🤣 you are so oblivious aren't you

[slender coral]

Bye

[true lark]

Never be the first to cross the line

[cerulean pivot]

Let's not forget

[shell hemlock]

how about a field trip to sudan with n*bu

[true lark]

Instead @fresh plover say something that makes them cross the line

"Fluent" sure

[shell hemlock]

you are jihadi

[plain ruin]

Why should I take him to what would be "Heaven on Earth" for him?
That's a sightseeing trip

[true lark]

Oh don't censor that, I know a good person here that would then fit that lol

[cerulean pivot]

Depends on the weather

[true lark]

Yes, if you're finally ready

[cerulean pivot]

politically fluid or something like that

[feral river]

https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1986827848330743964?s=20

The White House (@WhiteHouse)

6 months in a row of ZERO illegal border crossings. 🇺🇸

ALL WE NEEDED WAS A NEW PRESIDENT.

X · Nov 7, 2025, 4:07 PM

[plain ruin]

/weather clear

[feral river]

Hail President Trump 🇺🇸

[shell hemlock]

to israel we go so he can get spit on (he likes it)

[true lark]

Well go ahead

[shell hemlock]

that name triggers my anxiety

[slender coral]

https://youtu.be/C_n_qtgUKnY?si=fHX5qD7jmEWmvtph

[cerulean pivot]

Good job trump

[plain ruin]

He already gets worse

[true lark]

Literally don't even know who is siding with what side and couldn't care less lol

[shell hemlock]

literally what is he even

[turbid ivy]

[true lark]

That's not explaining, so you were just lying earlier that you would explain?

[turbid dome]

Tell him that the Saudis are hiring

[plain ruin]

@slender coral bro😭😭😭😭

[slender coral]

Saudis and Emiratis are in need of more slaves.

[shell hemlock]

n*bu is a zionist pretty much

and an islamophobe at that

[turbid ivy]

having xes with demons, yikes

[cerulean pivot]

What he's working for to get beaten
Being a stripper

[turbid ivy]

[plain ruin]

@slender coral 💀💀💀💀

[shell hemlock]

bros getting bent over

why would you say this

[plain ruin]

@turbid dome accept my req

[shell hemlock]

you know there’s a thing called crossing the line guys

[true lark]

All the terms have gotten so messed up in my head lol, I just care that people are respectful off eachother and actually listen to what others say

[shell hemlock]

and imma have to call up @magic olive rn pls clean up this chat

[true lark]

Already told them...

[plain ruin]

Arguably Abdul initiated personal attacks of parents

[shell hemlock]

both of them are in the wrong

[slender coral]

Yeah we aren't moving past that lol
It's kinda frustrating to me because there is plenty of stuff you can criticize about Islam and Muslim, yet he clings onto stuff like this and present them in the worst way possible.

[true lark]

Seju isn't here

[plain ruin]

Agreed
But it's understandable as to why she's angry.

[shell hemlock]

i don’t even understand what he’s saying here

[turbid dome]

That’s how you know he isn’t using AI

[cerulean pivot]

He insulted you , insult him not his religion
There are many people here share the same religion as him and did nothing wrong to you dumbass

[true lark]

That's why I called them out on their "fluent" tag at this point

[turbid dome]

When you understand him it’s AI

[slender coral]

You'd get muted like this though. Just stop talking to them and take a break.

[plain ruin]

Idk either, but it was a reference to a parent

[true lark]

And the parent stuff got worse after

[true lark]

Hey, that's my line

[slender coral]

His religion is the reason why he acts like that lol
Many Muslims are like him if not worse.

[cerulean pivot]

Where do you get these from

[true lark]

Don't use horses for swearing

[muted pecan]

well if we shittin on religions, heres my fav bible verse
ezekiel 23:20
20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

[cerulean pivot]

No it's not

[true lark]

WHY DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER HORSE ONE

[shell hemlock]

stop horsin around

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah you can
Your response to him seemed like an insult because you said it wouldn't be young enough. We can see through intentions, ma'am
we're not children.

[turbid ivy]

i will post here

[true lark]

Mooods

[turbid ivy]

Ibn Taymiyyah:
And Al-raḍaʻa is when the mouth is placed on the breast, and he drinks from it and then releases it. This is called Al-raḍaʻa. [43]
https://shamela.ws/book/7289/16260

Furthermore, raḍāʻ when applied to a man means performing oral sex on him. I wonder if that can be done through a cup.

This is the opinion of Shaykh al-Abani: “Do you want to say if he is nursed directly from the breast or by a cup? I say we don’t have any thing that I know of telling us the way that the wife of Abu Hudhaifa breast-fed Salim; we don’t know the way. And I personally say I don’t see any objection to his being nursed directly from the nipple .”

The video where he clearly says the above [for anyone who can understand Arabic]:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDghBsWr2l0&ab_channel=ner333

[true lark]

Why did they remove the damn mod ping

[turbid ivy]

[cerulean pivot]

Fabulous

[slender coral]

#🛂｜report-help

[cerulean pivot]

I already did

[true lark]

Yeah but this is urgent in chat stuff

[muted pecan]

you're christian?

[cerulean pivot]

Sorry for my bad English

[turbid ivy]

ye

[cerulean pivot]

I edited it

[true lark]

@whole beacon rescue us, stuffs getting out of hand, it's mute time

[muted pecan]

what do you think about my fav bible verse then

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-lmao-teeth-roflcopter-guy-togi123-togi123-lmao-gif-14627655394872001288

[muted pecan]

ezekiel 23:20

[turbid ivy]

which one

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/discrod-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-16499882582782545269

[muted pecan]

cant wait to learn your opinion

[true lark]

Oh finger guy, I know them

[muted pecan]

i bet god thought this information is very important for his teachings

[turbid ivy]

what abt it

[whole beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/contrarycircle8-contrary-circle-eight-thanos-gif-1372741066872971905

[cerulean pivot]

"Finger Guy " 😭

[slender coral]

“For she lusted after her lovers, whose flesh is like the flesh of donkeys and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed your breasts.” – Ezekiel 23:20-21
💀

[cerulean pivot]

Tf is this

[turbid ivy]

Taking about the prostitue country

[shell hemlock]

HELPPP I DIDNT SEE THE BACKGROUND

[cerulean pivot]

Too late do delete

[slender coral]

God was pretty angry there.

[shell hemlock]

oopsie daisy

[muted pecan]

you said something about oral here, i just wonder what do you think about christian horse semen verse

[whole beacon]

Im too sick for this shit

[shell hemlock]

horse what verse

[true lark]

You're here! The person with the opposite name as me and the idiot, forgot their name but they're active issues, ask um lily, they're neutral enough

[cerulean pivot]

Why are you baby today

[slender coral]

Shafak Allah

[shell hemlock]

why did the grown man in ur pfp turned into a child

[turbid ivy]

horse having semen? yes they could have it, what's wrong with that info?

[true lark]

Oh..

[cerulean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/detective-detective-conan-anime-eyeglasses-gif-16507322

[muted pecan]

oh so you dont want to acknowledge it and you being defensive i see

[slender coral]

Give me mod role and I'll do your work for you.

[turbid ivy]

acknowledge what?

[whole beacon]

Will handle it me lady

[shell hemlock]

i’m hooked on these pics twin💔💔💔

[plain ruin]

He didn't even read the verse💀

[muted pecan]

exactly

[whole beacon]

Ameen

[turbid ivy]

which part?

[coral belfry]

يكتشف الغامض والمثير
يستنتج بالعقل الكثير
كونان الرجل الصغير
يسعى دائما
المحقق كونان

[muted pecan]

exactly.

[whole beacon]

Gu gu ga ga

[turbid ivy]

?

[whole beacon]

Gu gu ga ga

[muted pecan]

ofc he didnt

[slender coral]

I'm good bro. Jokes aside, wish ya a speedy recovery.

[plain ruin]

@muted pecan
He's more ignorant than Abdul, he just masks it, ignore him

[whole beacon]

Thanks ma man

[hoary glen]

[true lark]

Wish you health as well

[muted pecan]

damn but i also have a whole presentation why youre a heretic not christian if you wear clothes made of mixed fibers 😭

[turbid ivy]

khyahh who

[shell hemlock]

clipped that

[whole beacon]

thanks

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-smile-best-laugh-thats-funny-gif-8282901

[true lark]

This sounds weird but I'm actually quite curious about the horse Semen verse

[plain ruin]

He's going to say that it's "poetic" and "Why are you taking that literally?"

[muted pecan]

because its canon law bitch lmao

[turbid ivy]

it is poetic

[shell hemlock]

the chicken got 2 baby daddies ? how does this happen

[plain ruin]

LMAOOOOO

[cerulean pivot]

Shi happens

[muted pecan]

oh well theres nothing more to it tbh, this section of bible was talking about prostitute lusting over men and thats it, god thought horse part is important and cant be left out ig

[true lark]

They were insanely literal earlier

[true lark]

Oh, weird

[muted pecan]

whole bible is weird

[whole beacon]

Wdym by abdul?

[true lark]

Haven't read much of it

[plain ruin]

"By Abdul"?

[muted pecan]

but i like that part of the bible with giants in it

[whole beacon]

Yep

[plain ruin]

What?😭 I'm so confused now

[turbid ivy]

i think he meant muslim or something

[true lark]

Abdul is the idiot I mentioned whose name I forgot

[turbid dome]

Someone here is named Abdul

[turbid ivy]

🤔

[turbid ivy]

didnt he leave the server?

[muted pecan]

@winter echo

[turbid ivy]

ohh it's Majeed

[whole beacon]

Oh i see
Thats wat u was asking
As the term <abdul> is often used as a religious racial slur.

Be weary of the difference

[muted pecan]

well if anything, he did it to himself then

[whole beacon]

Ik u

[turbid ivy]

It means servant of God in arabic i think

[true lark]

That was their name, can't do anything about that there

[plain ruin]

Oh 😭 LMAO
I'm not aware of that myself, grew up in Kuwait so lmao idk about it
And yes I was talking about that @winter echo

[shell hemlock]

the b and d in abdullah look like 2 bellies touching

[turbid ivy]

ye khyah

[true lark]

Yes they're the pro slavery misogynistic person in #1436598116638920746

[whole beacon]

Yep
Pretty much a conundrum

[whole beacon]

Ooow
Too much labelism
But nobu is treading on his last <eng hub life>

[whole beacon]

U mean kissing

[whole beacon]

All gd me mate

[true lark]

I mean I doubt they're able to deny it much

[shell hemlock]

i got a friend named abdullah i lowk harass bro with this meme

[plain ruin]

Is he now
#🧠｜serious-chat message

[turbid dome]

“Friend”

[whole beacon]

Id bully the shit outta of u if i were irl friend

[shell hemlock]

my very lowkey friend abdullah

[true lark]

[whole beacon]

Im too sick to read text walls

[turbid dome]

I thought you were dating

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[whole beacon]

[plain ruin]

(False claims about a verse in 2025)

[whole beacon]

Ur words have truth in it.

[plain ruin]

"Sex with demons"

[shell hemlock]

his mom is a niqabi i sent him a darth vader meme, it was funny to me only

[thorny steeple]

I need friends

[shell hemlock]

we don’t date we are getting married

[turbid dome]

Oh, when

[true lark]

I dont even think they're trolling, I think they genuinely believe their points about slavery

[shell hemlock]

like 2027 in june

you’re all invited

[plain ruin]

Oh wait Lily did you find someone

[turbid dome]

That’s a long way off for planning a wedding lol

[plain ruin]

2 year plan😭

[shell hemlock]

actually i found someone long ago but i don’t wanna commit to this guy so been putting it off 💀💀

[shell hemlock]

halal planning

[plain ruin]

Just pray that it's not him in disguise

[shell hemlock]

EWWWWWWWWW

[plain ruin]

/j

[shell hemlock]

EWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[plain ruin]

It's okay, he can't afford to come anyway

[shell hemlock]

i wanna ask my mom for a backup plan but i’m too shy to

[turbid ivy]

but you agreed with my defination lol

[whole beacon]

Well lets wait and see.
Its a matter of time

[shell hemlock]

i don’t think he ever leaves discord which is a good thing

[turbid ivy]

💀

[turbid dome]

It’s your future so don’t be

[prisma cipher]

Abdul is normal, better than most of people here. But I don't read what he talking about here when I'm out so can't be 100 sure he don't do something wrong.

[plain ruin]

Yes he does

[arctic flint]

Hiii

[whole beacon]

U farting lily

[arctic flint]

First time in here kinda scared

[plain stag]

Hello

[plain ruin]

You're only saying this because of his pro-russia stance, probably.
He showed his true colours today quite a bit (in the messages you didn't read)

[plain stag]

Fart

[shell hemlock]

the thing is i found abdullah myself n i like him a lot n the other guys my mom introduced me to have the personality of a hamster wheel

[true lark]

They're... not the brightest bulb, especially one thing they said made both sides call him... not too intelligent

[arctic flint]

What the heck you r doing here . .people chat on serious stuff

[shell hemlock]

tootin and sneezin 🔥🔥🔥

[plain stag]

I'm Patrick Bateman

[whole beacon]

[arctic flint]

Good away

[turbid dome]

You’re not even in your 20’s yet, you have plenty of time

[plain ruin]

Nobu 💀ing my message as if he doesn't believe in similar doctrines himself

[plain stag]

Thanks

[coral belfry]

interesting

[true lark]

I also in fact didn't read any of the messages, but they refused to explain the concept they were defending to me, even admitting they arent knowledgeable about it

[shell hemlock]

we’re giving it a go till maybe the next 2 years my mom do likes him but she lowk a racist n since i’m a woman it’s likely that i will move away from my family n she don’t like that

[true lark]

[shell hemlock]

how u look sending that

[prisma cipher]

I said it because he is normal, it not like crazy I say info, answer like a won't talk with you because you Russia, or you Russian propaganda. Not stupidity like that.

Just normal dude

[true lark]

Kind of how I in fact did look

[shell hemlock]

my asian mom lowk racist tho i’m frl i love my mom but like damn

[true lark]

Normal sure, not particularly outstanding in intellect anyways

[coral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/slice-execute-admiral-leader-admiral-general-aladeen-gif-21000865

[plain ruin]

He defended murder on the basis of expressing opinions/asking questions today

[true lark]

Normal in the mindlessly defend my religion without even thinking myself capable of explaining the concepts

[prisma cipher]

I just found him like a good person and I have to say it. That is it, won't defend him or something.

[true lark]

I would say they are very normal, not sure if that's a positive though

[coral belfry]

he told you to ask a professional
what is wrong with that

[true lark]

Because he was arguing for the thing I was asking about, yes a professional would know but he should not be arguing for it if they do not know properly either

[plain ruin]

this is the original problem^

That's what led to him recommending going to the VC

He didn't know how to defend it (Or whether Islam even does defend it), and probably didn't want to ask ChatGPT for help with that either

[true lark]

When I wasn't even likely to argue against their religion's core

[plain ruin]

It's basically what happened
If you were here for the conversation, you'd know

For how long?

[true lark]

Quite likely to be so, no person able to explain their standpoints would refuse like that time and time again

[plain ruin]

New account LMAO

[prisma cipher]

Don't draw Mukhammad

[true lark]

Since they made this alt probably

[true lark]

So should someone be killed for that?

[plain ruin]

I also mentioned how some scripture says that muslims should respect local laws in non-muslim countries

[true lark]

LMAO MUTE EVASJON FOR SURE

[plain ruin]

Should someone be killed for it?

[true lark]

They had literally over an hour to explain

[plain ruin]

@whole beacon check when this bloke joined 1436642328000331797

[prisma cipher]

No but don't complain about it.

[shell hemlock]

some muslims r rlly extreme at following islam

[true lark]

Don't complain about people being fuxkinf killed for it?

No thanks, I'll complain

[whole beacon]

S?u 1436642328000331797

[shell hemlock]

i’m rlly lucky i was born in a country that don’t have extremist muslims

[true lark]

Hate it when that happens

[plain ruin]

It's probably Abdul's alt

[prisma cipher]

We have many taboo topics, for Muslims it's Muhammad.

[true lark]

I'm atheist

[true lark]

We don't deal in taboo

[prisma cipher]

I honestly don't care.

[true lark]

I won't draw Muhammad

But

[whole beacon]

Lame bot ik

[true lark]

I will disagree with killing someone over it

[whole beacon]

Banned

[true lark]

Knew it lol

[prisma cipher]

I atheist too. But hate to say those who scream I'm atheist so much annoy me way more than believers

[prisma cipher]

I atheist but respect other people believing.

[true lark]

As soon as they said they got muted before they could explain I knew it, they had an hour

[slender coral]

I know what you mean. It doesn't make much sense honestly, Christianity was made by ignorant medieval and ancient people, why follow it as a non-believer today?

[true lark]

I also respect their beliefs, so I won't draw Muhammad, I don't respect them killing someone over thag

Way fucking different

[plain ruin]

"Account created Nov 8 2025, Joined EngHub Nov 8 2025"

[true lark]

I wouldn't allow an atheist to kill a believer either

[prisma cipher]

Tell it those who enjoy killing Kirk or what his name was. Those crazy not better

[true lark]

Tbh that's not too odd, it's one of the recommended servers when installing

[true lark]

No, they arent better

[whole beacon]

Ur mod material

[plain ruin]

They what now
I've been on discord for too long

[true lark]

Thanks haha, I have modded in the past so I guess it makes sense

[true lark]

Yeah they show a few partnered servers

Of different topics

On education you'll find enghub sitting proudly

[plain ruin]

They didn't have this 8-9 years ago 😞

[true lark]

It's actually like 5 years old already

[plain ruin]

Ban Nobu
Ban Nobu

[plain ruin]

Yeah, I created my account in like 2016/2017😭 Don't remember seeing this, like, ever

[hoary glen]

I disagree

[prisma cipher]

What I talking about those crazy, we don't discuss if they threat to kill him because he said something they don't like, but we talking about Muslim.

[true lark]

We're not

[hoary glen]

Why ban Nobu?

[true lark]

We're talking about extremists of any belief, political or religious, killing others

[plain ruin]

Why not? 😝

[swift crest]

He.is.not.nice.

[true lark]

I dont care that its Muslim specifically, don't kill others over your extremist beliefs

[hoary glen]

Friendliness is not needed here.

[swift crest]

You can go through his messages
You'll understand the situation better

[true lark]

Actualy I think luigi was okay lol so I guess not always

[prisma cipher]

Don't care.

[true lark]

I've been trying to find out, US news outlets suck

[true lark]

I guess I simply agree with their indirect self defense argument

[hoary glen]

Aside from purely insulting people, I shouldn't forbid others; I value freedom of speech more.

[shell hemlock]

not to say that kirk deserved it but he had it comin icl

[plain ruin]

I'm actually appalled that below 90% claim approval is a thing, let alone below 50%
The fact that such a low rating does happen, imo, is equivalent to murder

[shell hemlock]

bye twin

[true lark]

I could gleam it's a system of law, but which laws are they specifically, rather which were those you were arguing on

[plain ruin]

He saw where it started

[uncut tiger]

Majeed do your mom and sisters want Sharia law

[hoary glen]

Yeah, I hope all Middle Eastern countries will use Sharia law.

[uncut tiger]

ask them

[true lark]

Mom and sister, I think I know where this is going

[molten dagger]

sharia law will protect woman, it supposed suit with western value

[hoary glen]

This way they can experience the lives of people in ancient times.

[true lark]

So do the laws say what should happen when someone does draw them?

The same way I do it

Just let the clowns emberass themselves trying to get a reaction out of me

[swift crest]

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you disrespect others 😭

[true lark]

I see you aren't typing, could you respond to my question?

[true lark]

Yes this is actually a thing outside of the us

You can't simply be racist or anything

[hoary glen]

If you had to respect everyone before you spoke, then you'd have nothing left to say.

[true lark]

To not disrespect does not mean to respect

Simply display neutrality

[solid sky]

https://youtu.be/-MT2aWWUV3w?si=r6JSndgCJG34Zz0n

[true lark]

Let's just start with a simple yes or no, does it display the punishment yes or no

Mayhaps

But I do agree that people shouldn't draw the prophet

[hoary glen]

[true lark]

So why don't you answer

Three or two letters

[true lark]

Yes, one should not intentionally draw the prophet if aware of its religious significance

[hoary glen]

In my opinion, he was just a merchant from the 6th century AD.

[true lark]

Well you don't know if I'm like the others

[solid sky]

A mark of serious experience. Assalamualaikum

[true lark]

That's your opinion, one you're entitled to have, it does not mean you get to intentionally disrespect someone's beliefs

[placid parrot]

I'm serious

[true lark]

Your refusal to elaborate on anything to me just indicated you were blindly following teachings without any insight behind their reasoning

[true lark]

And your refusal to explain even the reasoning made you look... quite dumb, to others anyways

Well give it your best try, see if I will

[shell hemlock]

is that you twin

[solid sky]

hm no you see, as he mentioned most people just want to attack mindlessly, distorting verses, taking words out of context, falsely assusing, random fallacies and bigotry, then they simply keep changing their questions and topics everytime you give an answer they did not expect

[shell hemlock]

nvm that is NOT you twin

[solid sky]

who art thou

[hoary glen]

If a flat-Earth theorist tells you the Earth is flat, should you respect their belief?

[shell hemlock]

@hybrid herald i thought this guy was u i’m dead

[crisp garden]

how was the mute

[solid sky]

understandable

[shell hemlock]

u hath thee same muslim pronoun as my twin

and same role color

[true lark]

You should respect it yes, you don't need to agree, and you can also challenge it resoecfully

Well right now I'm curious as to wether the laws state the consequences of drawing the prophet

[solid sky]

thou seemeth possess pronouns similar to mine own cousin*

[shell hemlock]

but then again it isn’t your first time u good twin

[shell hemlock]

i do not speak in shakespeare twin

[solid sky]

np

[true lark]

That is exactly what they ended up doing to me in their attempt to avoid it

[solid sky]

💀 wild

[true lark]

The last thing, not the bigotry etc

Changing statements

[shell hemlock]

you mean “hath no weight”

[serene junco]

Hello 👋

[hoary glen]

I think I've been very rational, but some people still feel that I'm disrespectful to them. Do you still need to make concessions?

[true lark]

Okay but could you quote the law

In what way is it encouraged

To kill

Okay first a question, if someone from your religion dies, what is your belief

What happens

[shell hemlock]

the thing with sharia law is like some countries does not implement it correctly, and i mean countries like afghanistan they are extremists

that paints a bad picture for general muslims that doesn’t agree with how they are implementing this law

[true lark]

I see, and what causes the difference between the countries

Then

Wouldn't you say someone gets punishment for drawing the prophet in the afterlife?

Why seek such extreme actions and possibly condemn yourself as well?

I'm sure they've got it covered in the aftelife

This is pretty.much my problem.with half the religions

[shell hemlock]

we can say that some people are using religion as a front for their extremist behavior, like excuses where women should be stripped off basic rights is not even remotely close to what islam taught us, though that’s just one example and yeah islam and muslims have been painted in a bad light bc of these extremists and i believe extremists exist in every other religion likewise

[true lark]

Why can't the Christians be nice to the sinners? Nothing says you should punsihn them whilst alive

[swift crest]

You know what?
Most of the social media content which isn't in favour of Modi always gets banned, that's one of the reasons why it always feels off when arguing about him.
My country has always lived in fear, I really hope it doesn't live like that anymore....

[true lark]

You mean the same question I ask every religion? Yes, because if someone can answer this satisfactory I have found a religion worth following

And of course, satisfactory is personal to me

But wouldn't you say, as an outside

Outsider*

That it is a valid question to ask, why should the living punish eachother when there is already judgement mandates upon death?

[muted pecan]

if christian is mean to a sinner, its not a christian, but a heretic

[shell hemlock]

i honestly think some of the rules are problematic like honor killings and killings of non believers because here in cambodia, it’s a buddhism majority country and they give muslims space and rights but if you go to some muslim countries buddhists wouldn’t have that same support

[true lark]

But I'm not talking with them

If they want to step into this chat sure

I would be very glad to speak with them

But I'm not leaving here

You have already explained the laws so I don't need to hear it from you specifically but I don't feel comfortable going in that voice chat

Who in that chat would you say is a professional, I'll mention them here

[slender coral]

What do you think about this? @plain ruin

[true lark]

Can you name anyone specific?

[shell hemlock]

honor killing is a cultural practice in which the male figure of the family kills a female family member bc she has brought shame to the family, it’s not taught in islam but many muslim countries treat it lightly

[true lark]

Who would you recommend out of those responsible to converse about the what's it called laws

[muted pecan]

it just proves my point that Ezekiel book is fucked up

[hoary glen]

It is essentially a disrespect for women's lives.

[shell hemlock]

there is brother greed and @silk yacht

[true lark]

Alright then, I'll approach the two

[shell hemlock]

i think greed he is taking a break or maybe busy with life bc he is oldest there he is the most wise

[slender coral]

A Christian gave those to me as evidence that the age of consent is high in Christianity.

[silk yacht]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

In sha Allah everything is well

[shell hemlock]

it was a cultural practice yeah, it’s not related to islam

[muted pecan]

....but puberty is around 10-13yo tho

[shell hemlock]

like how burying girls was a practice back then

[silk yacht]

Was there something I can help with

[shell hemlock]

@true lark she has some questions

[slender coral]

hmmm.
He told me that the breasts form fully around 16 (which afaik is true).

[slender coral]

Are you a student of Islamic scholarly or something?

[shell hemlock]

what a time

[hoary glen]

In an agrarian society where physical strength was the primary means of survival, it was common for women's lives to be disrespected.

[muted pecan]

girls were considered women at age 12 back then tho

[slender coral]

He claims that the texts never allowed child marriage. Even men weren't considered ready for war until they hit 20.

These were his claims

[shell hemlock]

in china if ur baby is a girl she have to be thrown away

[slender coral]

Didn't the Mongols respect their women?

[muted pecan]

well he didnt prove shit and it doesnt even matter, it was completly normal back then to marry 12-yo kids, no one would be mad about that?

it was a common thing ofc it doesnt sit well in 2025 tho

[slender coral]

I think so. Were there known cases of Christian and Jewish clergy approving of it?

[muted pecan]

i bet there were, but probably long time ago
sorry im atheist i dont know christian history that much

[slender coral]

I thought you may know something because you are from a Christian background.
I get religion pushed down my throat where I live 😅

[shell hemlock]

no it is true, i will search it up for u

[true lark]

Busy

Still waiting till there time for me

[muted pecan]

yeah 100% same, they forced me to be a christian, but no one here ever read a bible even 💀 dont expect too much from christians, they dont know shit about their own religion

my grandma was in pure shock when i told her there are giants in the bible

[shell hemlock]

"In China, the historical abandonment of daughters stemmed from strong son preference driven by patrilineal family norms, economic expectations that sons provide labor and elder care, and marriage customs that treated daughters as leaving the household. The one-child policy intensified this pattern, leading to higher rates of infant abandonment, hidden daughters, and sex-selective abortion, with many girls entering state orphanages and international adoption. Since the 2010s, the practice has sharply declined due to policy reforms, urbanization, improved social security, and changing attitudes toward gender."

[true lark]

Highly differs

[shell hemlock]

nope in cambodia women are highly respected

[slender coral]

Muslims actually know, not deeply but at least they know stuff. It's because they memorize the Quran in hope to be rewarded by god in this life and in the next one.

[shell hemlock]

my stepdad yes

[slender coral]

They memorize Hadiths as well.

[shell hemlock]

my stepdad was born in china and he lived in france for about 20 years, he sent his daughter to live in france hidden away from everyone bc china would take her away if they found out

[muted pecan]

bro my grandma was so proud when i told her im reading the bible

im listing out bs in there, grandma u have no idea what youre talking about 😭

[true lark]

Both my parents were born religious

[muted pecan]

christians dont read the bible, just memorise pre-choosen verses and dont care about the rest at all

[true lark]

Both aren't anymore

[shell hemlock]

my dad's dead

[true lark]

That's not a sorry thing

It's allowed me to be educated on religion without being forced in any

Yes?

[shell hemlock]

i highly believe christians nitpick which verse sounds good to them and disregard the rest

yeah my dad's dead

[muted pecan]

yeah because thats literally what they do

[slender coral]

lmfao

[muted pecan]

how tf you can not know there are giants in there? come on they never opened it even

[true lark]

Rather have them nitpick than take every single word and follow it to the T personally

[shell hemlock]

they can remarry no problem

[true lark]

I do get the huggy person role, that pfp is very cute