🧠｜serious-chat

[high rapids]

Because of social media

na

[golden jetty]

Have you ever been to tokyo?

[high rapids]

I definitely want to go to Kaliningrad (Russia). I'm still waiting to see if @manic juniper will come with me, but she doesn't like me. Still, it would be a perfect opportunity to spy on the enemy.

[high rapids]

nope

[golden jetty]

Then how come you say its overrated

As a guy whos been already, its not overrated

[high rapids]

When you hear from 95% of people that they want to go there because it looks so beautiful because they saw it on TikTok/Instagram.

[keen badger]

Hello

[manic juniper]

Weebs

[high rapids]

Are you at a Halloween party?

[golden jetty]

Dont listen to tiktok and go there yourself

Ive been and its dope

[golden jetty]

Like you

[high rapids]

I'll go there when I've seen everything else I wanted to see.

[manic juniper]

I don't like anime

[high rapids]

What is a Weebs?

[golden jetty]

You

[high rapids]

?

[golden jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/weihenstephan-weihenstephaner-beerfest-beer-cheers-gif-1634236152664607117

[high rapids]

I don't drink

[manic juniper]

I spoke to cocaine addicts and they made more sense than people on here

[high rapids]

Why are you so angry?

I guess Isfrun blocked me

[golden jetty]

You gotta be kidding

[fresh flower]

Can't blame her tbh

[golden jetty]

Buddy chill

[high rapids]

no

[fresh flower]

Also, what the fuck is wrong with Haiti and Jamaica and them, each year they get hit with a hurricane

[golden jetty]

Same with miami, theyre tropical and have hurricane seasons every year

Only got two seasons throughout the year, wet and dry

No summer and winter

[fresh flower]

Yeah bro Florida too and it's always category 3 and above 😭

[high rapids]

😭

[golden jetty]

You live there?

[fresh flower]

Our storms here are the equivalent of a category 0 for Americans

[fresh flower]

No

[golden jetty]

You made it sound like you live there

[fresh flower]

No I just remembered that they had 2 hurricanes last year, one cat 3 and one cat 4

[golden jetty]

Got it

Where do you live then

[last geyser]

Bros brain coming from 20 years ago

[turbid dome]

I don’t think it’s satire, I think AI techbros haven’t realized that maps aren’t a 1:1 of reality and earth is a sphere

[tiny apex]

This person must live on a different planet

[fallow shard]

I mean it works if u belive hard enough

U just also need to belive in lies

[turbid dome]

EZ

Also be 4 years old

[high rapids]

haha

[fallow shard]

Every delusional person ever

Atleast mentally

[turbid dome]

Hey some of them are like 9

Maybe 12

[fallow shard]

I've strong urge to be racist

[marble seal]

https://media.tenor.com/HoZQ0D9ZHnEAAAAM/delulu-delulu-land.gif

[marble seal]

Race a car?

[turbid dome]

I’m impressed you didn’t skip straight to racism

[marble seal]

What we fighting about today ?

[turbid dome]

Idk

[fallow shard]

That too

[fallow shard]

Oh cmon

I didn't even tell you but the interviewer asked if I can work w people in different backgrounds

I mean it's understandable in line where I'm going but like😭

HAVE SOME TRUST IN ME

I looked most gay there so what do u expect

[turbid dome]

You’re Finnish so honestly they may be like “have you seen someone with black hair before?”

[manic juniper]

[fallow shard]

Yea ig

I'm so nervous if I get in or not

[high rapids]

You got the job, congratulations!

[fallow shard]

Noo, I'm going to study nursing

[turbid dome]

You’ll get in

[fallow shard]

I hope bcs basic jobs sucks and studying is more fun

[high rapids]

Hopefully you'll get in. Let me know as soon as you find out.

[fallow shard]

Thanks, and I will know in 2 weeks

[turbid dome]

Yup

[high rapids]

I'm rooting for you

[fallow shard]

Only thing that little bothers me is I need to do math again

But that's it

[fresh flower]

Is that a normal question

[turbid dome]

That’s not good

[fresh flower]

I didn't get asked that during my interview, found out there's an African guy working there after I got hired

[high rapids]

I completed training in a “basic job.”

[fallow shard]

She quite literally said w straight face "do u know u have to work with people in different background"

I was like okay??

[fallow shard]

What is it

[fresh flower]

Do you have a shaved head and do you wear a Thors hammers necklace

[high rapids]

Operations logistics specialist

[fallow shard]

I can't grow beard

[fresh flower]

That's not basic though

[fallow shard]

Literally "specialist"

[high rapids]

yes i guess thats the right translation

[fresh flower]

Idk what yall count as basic jobs but for me it's fast food, grocery store or warehouse

[high rapids]

I always had interns. I hated them all.

[fallow shard]

I mean basic jobs can be good

I just can't do them

They're too simple

[high rapids]

I'm currently studying, but I earned very good money through my job.

[fallow shard]

I'm hoping I could get study place and then finish it as fast as possible

[turbid dome]

Imagine

[fallow shard]

Nursing?

[high rapids]

yes

[fallow shard]

It's done in trade school here and it's 3-4 years

If with specialty it can get up to 5

[high rapids]

Good to know

[fallow shard]

I just can't wait to know

[high rapids]

Don't forget to let us know as soon as you have an answer.

[fallow shard]

Yea but after I start school I'll vanish

[high rapids]

You will then need a name tag that says “unknown duck.”

[high rapids]

WHY 😭

[fallow shard]

I don't think I'll use discord as often then

If at all

[fresh flower]

I think Finnoids also use a HP system

Should be 180hp

[fallow shard]

Yes horsepower

[fresh flower]

Idk what it's called in Finnish😭

Högskolepoäng

[manic juniper]

SP (sisu points)

[fallow shard]

What it högskole

Ohhh

Points

[harsh citrus]

Olá

[fallow shard]

U didn't know?😭

[manic juniper]

There was another half once

But she was silenced

[fallow shard]

I was sure u knew

[fresh flower]

Has there ever been anyone from Iceland

[fallow shard]

I've never met person from Iceland in discord

They're rare

[manic juniper]

No, I can count three Danes (yes, three), two Swedes, three Norwegians (two normal and one larper), three Finns (one normal, two larpers)

[fallow shard]

I'm starting to think Iceland doesn't exist

[manic juniper]

There is another server where I met not just someone from there but also from Faroe

[fallow shard]

Just how

[manic juniper]

I thought Faroe was the Danish counterpart of Manx but even less real

[fallow shard]

😭

[manic juniper]

Wait you're in it too, it's language sloth

[fresh flower]

TWO? Who's the second

[manic juniper]

There is a Faroese guy

[fallow shard]

Is there

I've not met them

[manic juniper]

There was a girl who was active here and she used to hang out in the original Swedish chat

[fallow shard]

Scandinavian people are pretty common

[fresh flower]

Original Swedish chat?💀

I missed peak English hub it seems

[fallow shard]

Except Icelandic

They don't exist

[fresh flower]

Literally

[fallow shard]

Also Danes are missing but I certainly don't miss any of them

The one I met was miserable to talk w

[manic juniper]

Can't find the Faroese guy but here's the Iceland one
#1408801415681540259 message

[manic juniper]

There used to be user created language chats, well there still are at least for me since I'm still in some of those

[fallow shard]

Ohhh

[manic juniper]

The golden days of discussing Belarusian history

Bro they created a role just for the Faroese guy

[fallow shard]

😭

I wanna meet someone from Åland

I heard they're pretty arrogant

[manic juniper]

I had the opposite experience

I think our brainwashing into making them Finnish worked

[fallow shard]

I hope bcs they're still part of us

They just need to speak Finnish and not Swedish

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately I don't see that happening, their little Swedish ethnoregion is too good to abandon

[fallow shard]

I can't even understand why they can't just accept their fate

[manic juniper]

Only if we promote mass Finnish immigration

It'd be simple if we sent many Pohjanmaa people since they have countless children, they will quickly replace the Ålanders but at what cost... They will place their Laestadian capital there

[high rapids]

good luck

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-10281973069114258858

[fallow shard]

😭

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-marvel-small-price-pay-for-salvation-gif-14748250

[fresh flower]

Go sleep bro it's 3 for yall

[high rapids]

2 am

[manic juniper]

Wtf do Swedes work in the weekend

[fresh flower]

We in the same timezone twin

[high rapids]

where are you from?

[fresh flower]

Sweden

[high rapids]

hm

[fresh flower]

No but 3 is LATE

[manic juniper]

How

If it's not 6 or 7 minimum I won't go to sleep

[fresh flower]

Dw I don't live in an area with many immigrants, there's only 2 families here but everyone likes them

[fresh flower]

Bro got a vampire's sleep schedule🧿

[manic juniper]

It's not summer, it makes no difference if I go to sleep now or earlier

It's just as dark

I don't know but I naturally lose the habit during summer, then regain it again once it's over

It's as if my body knows that I need to see those sunny days while I can

[high rapids]

i said hm because its cold there

[high rapids]

I have nothing against immigrants, nor do I have anything against gay people or anyone else, as long as everyone follows the rules, but I expect that from everyone, including non-immigrants.

[fresh flower]

I do

[high rapids]

It´s okay

[fresh flower]

We had one in high school and he was insufferable

[high rapids]

I don't like mean people, unfriendly people, or toxic people either.

[fallow shard]

Wth is mean gay

[manic juniper]

Perhaps gays from Spain

[fallow shard]

Also I practice friendly fire bcs I can't w gay voice

[fresh flower]

He had a flock of female friends and they used to gossip about people, spread rumours and be generally mean toward everyone not in their clique

I don't think I ever saw him without gum in his mouth

[fallow shard]

Oh my... That sounds miserable

Like lowk gays can be infuriating asf

[fresh flower]

They used to bully the shit out of this poor guy in class😭

[fallow shard]

Especially performative ones

[fallow shard]

Poor guy😔

[turbid dome]

Not a mean gay but I remember in high school there was this gay guy who always sat in the back of the bus, and I swear every other sentence he would say he is gay 😭

[manic juniper]

Non-mixed friend groups tend to be toxic AF for some reasons

Hypercompetitive girlbosses and coomer incels

[fresh flower]

We had so many of those

[fallow shard]

Like sometimes I just wanna be normal straight male but then again I remember y'all lead statistics in every horrible way soooo

[turbid dome]

Wdym mixed

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-dance-it-out-cristina-yang-sandra-oh-thats-how-we-finish-gif-17333612

[turbid dome]

I’m the GOAT of bad statistics

[manic juniper]

I would rather be part of the evil demographic to destroy it from within just as I'm already doing with mammals

[turbid dome]

You just needed to be born a man and you would’ve been in it

[manic juniper]

Male or female exclusive, gays don't count towards the female exclusive property here

If anything they can amplify a female-only group's insanity

[turbid dome]

Oh, I tend to avoid groups

[manic juniper]

How, I'd still be Asian

[turbid dome]

You’re white enough

[fresh flower]

Wtf he got banned

[fallow shard]

I lowk miss my highschool class bcs it was so toxic

[manic juniper]

Who

The annoying Austrian guy or somebody else

[fresh flower]

I was gonna ping the guy you argued with about stats and say that he'd agree but I think he's banned

[turbid dome]

lol

[turbid dome]

Sheen?

[turbid dome]

I think Mr sheen but idk

[manic juniper]

Oh the generic guy

[fresh flower]

Yeah

[turbid dome]

Yeah

[fresh flower]

Why are his messages gone

[manic juniper]

Good on him, he said Finland was an ally of the ryssä empire

[turbid dome]

Lmao

I’ve noticed a trend that those who slander Finland don’t last long

[manic juniper]

We are the Russian Empire

[turbid dome]

Most of the time

[manic juniper]

We are the legal successor, fuck whoever disagrees

[fallow shard]

LMFAOOO

[turbid dome]

I disagree, you’re both Russian empire and Mongolian empire

All of Asia was promised to you by genghis khan

[manic juniper]

It could be, since all other countries lost independence or reformed earlier than Finland in a way or another

[turbid dome]

Yup

[fallow shard]

If someone calls me Russian I'll lose it

[turbid dome]

Not the worst I could insult you

[fallow shard]

It'd be

Swedish is alr

[manic juniper]

Also we are the most likely to form an empire unlike Mongolia or Russia

[turbid dome]

Remember what you said about resident evil village swamp monster?

[fallow shard]

SHUT UP

[manic juniper]

If we asked Mongolia and Ukraine to get annexed they would agree

We don't need to send a single troop

[turbid dome]

You do need to send a single troop to Russia though. With Russia’s historic casualty record that’ll be enough to wipe out the whole military

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-mario-luigi-good-ending-meme-gif-23859691

[manic juniper]

He needs a lot of morphine

[turbid dome]

It’ll be fine

[high rapids]

Good Night

[empty heath]

hello

[light swan]

Hello

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-happy-dance-happy-birthday-happy-birthday-to-you-gif-14641296808833921829

[silver mural]

[turbid ivy]

Why the hell people ping me

[stray shell]

hmm

Islam doesn't, you can wear it just the labelling would be different. if you aren't muslim, it would be just a head scarf you know.

[turbid ivy]

Aha... are you a Muslim? 😅

[turbid ivy]

Helllo

[stray shell]

alhamdollilah yes

you?

[turbid ivy]

😐 oki.. do you know that Islam doesn't allow slave women to wear coverings..
Ie they have to wear clothings jinggling their breasts

[turbid ivy]

A Christian

@stray shell hello Rish

[idle oar]

I wonder if there are people who decide not to buy Christmas gifts this year??

I watch some videos on Youtube saying that many people decide not to buy Christmas gifts this there

[slender coral]

Why?

[idle oar]

because economy sucks

[slender coral]

That's unfortunate

[elfin bluff]

Hello

[idle oar]

looks like every country's economy sucks......

[idle oar]

So, how's economy in your country??

[slender coral]

I'm Egyptian, it's so friggin bad. It has always been for decades.
I think millions of people don't taste things like nuts in a year. At some point before, there was this stat about how we spend 100 million Egyptian pounds on one type of nuts a year, but the thing is that's the population size, we are 100 million people. So it's one pound worth of nuts for every citizen each years. So of course some don't even try that.
Many people can't afford stuff on religious occasions.

All thanks to the military dictatorship that have led the country since its independence.

[idle oar]

well.... another country's economy sucks

[idle oar]

I know what you feel....... when a country has too many people, it's so difficult for its people to have good lives. It's the same for us

[formal pilot]

Egypt might be practising NNN

[idle oar]

what's the meaning NNN??

[formal pilot]

Internet thing, No Nuts November

[idle oar]

I asked people in 4 countries........ Except India, everyone says economy sucks

[formal pilot]

India has better ways to suck, they don't only rely on economy

[slender coral]

That's not the case. Egypt problem isn't that there are too many people, it's the dictators that led it. The country has the potential to be strong, we have much resources, are on 2 seas and a river, have the most important naval passage in the world the Seuz canal, and have the sites of one of the most if not the most interesting ancient civilization on earth.
But all of this doesn't matter when the country is controlled by prideful idiots.

[idle oar]

Well...... that's just because they are poor, that doesn't mean there is a fad in Egypt to not eat nut

[idle oar]

But economy is vital for us ordinary

[formal pilot]

The economy can be misleading while judging the quality of life, that's why I rely on human development index

[idle oar]

well.......sorry for hearing that, all people deserves better lives, that's why I hate something like wars and international conflicts. Most of us are ordinary people, What we want are just stable and decent lives. But for a few elites' benefits, we hate each other even kill each other, that sucks

[idle oar]

If HDI is better, we can use the data. Just for the convenience of talks, I choose economy to compare

[formal pilot]

Why not GDP per capita?

[idle oar]

Well.....GDP capita is also ok, as long as it's convenient when we talk

[feral river]

https://x.com/jdvance/status/1984370346204524803?s=46

JD Vance (@JDVance)

X · Oct 31, 2025, 9:22 PM

We love JD Vance

🇺🇸 MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Trump and Vance is the king of America

[slender coral]

They are so unreasonable. 😞

[stray shell]

he looks very unhinged

[feral river]

that's fun anyway if he got this hair because there's already tons of his meme looking just exactly like that

https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1984459581968556108

Nick Sortor (@nicksortor)

🚨 HOLY CRAP! A massive group of “youths” are fighting with the National Guard in Washington, DC

DC police are MIA

Time to give the National Guard full arrest powers! END this BS!

X · Nov 1, 2025, 3:16 AM

[crystal kayak]

@stray shell I see you have met @turbid ivy

[crystal kayak]

@fresh flower

[tiny apex]

Look who’s finally unmuted

[crystal kayak]

It was bound to happen and why are you up so late

[tiny apex]

I was actually just about to sleep so good night zazu

[crystal kayak]

Goodnight night cat

[feral river]

are you pardoned by 🇮🇱

[slender coral]

I've been rewatching HBO's Chernobyl series recently. The ost makes me feel super anxious.
https://youtu.be/I0ouei1-pJA?si=USRPM6aMHk7Cw-A3

[slender coral]

@thorny steeple I wonder what Linus thoughts on Israel

[winter echo]

I thought I told you, you're talking to the wall, most of them aren't genuinely interested in Islam, they just want to discredit it

Because he's a chicken

[subtle geyser]

[slender coral]

You only want interest when it support your belief

The state of Muslim countries and free speech shows us which side is truly close-minded and arrogant.

[cursive sphinx]

Where are you from

[slender coral]

Egypt. What about ya?

[cursive sphinx]

Lebanon
And tell me
What you think about Nawal El Saadawi

[winter echo]

Lmao

[stray shell]

Oh yeah

[winter echo]

Isfrun stop adding fuel to the fire!

Tell that to your ancestors

[feral river]

the only country under Islamic rule was Taliban and ISIS

other arab majority nation were all under modern nationalism framework of insititutions

[winter echo]

Is it common across all Muslim countries?

[feral river]

nobody besides some terrorists is going to use some madness radical ideological piece of crap to establish their government and rule

[slender coral]

Idk much about Dr Nawal other than her strange political views, that Muslim fundamentalists hate her, and I read some from her book المرأة و الجنس. Her critics always portrayed her work as sexually charged in a lewd way, but from what I see up until this point is that she talks about sex from a scientific pov, she wrote about with medical, psychology, and sociological approaches.

[feral river]

Israel will purify everything 🇮🇱

[marsh bolt]

👌

[cursive sphinx]

But she was criticise the religion, inside Egypt and she wrote many things to encourage the hate against the religion
So which countries you mean that they don't allow the freedom of speech

The only thing that forbidden in these countries is to criticise the politics

[glass tangle]

Unmute me guys

[cursive sphinx]

Go eat a bat and leave Israel on its own

[turbid dome]

That’s the entire point of freedom of speech, so that you can criticize the government

[cursive sphinx]

He was pointing the Muslim countries

[slender coral]

You think Egypt truly allows criticism of faith? Nawal got imprisoned at some point in her life, and the thing that prevented her for spending years in prison is her allegiance to the state and how she wasn't explicit about being an atheist, her criticism of Islam was also careful.

[cursive sphinx]

In other words he was mentioning the freedom of criticise the religion

[turbid dome]

And?

[turbid dome]

Yeah that’s a major part of freedom of speech lol

[slender coral]

I was referring to both, religious and political freedom.

If there's political freedom, there will be religious freedom.

[cursive sphinx]

"Criticism of Islam was also careful"
What you mean by that?

[cursive sphinx]

Bet

Come to Lebanon and see

[cursive sphinx]

😐

[slender coral]

I remember that she said she doesn't attack Islam, but attacks people who use it to limit freedom and reason.

[frank furnace]

I haven't seen Muslim men allowed to wear hijab or niqab

[slender coral]

What do you mean dude it's not the first time you say this?

[frank furnace]

When did I say before?

[plain ruin]

?

[frank furnace]

What did you not understand?

[slender coral]

Here

[frank furnace]

Okay? Now what? I can't emphasize a point?

Gotcha moment

[slender coral]

Lebanon is a very special case. It's not a Muslim country and it has the weridest political system ever 😅

[slender coral]

Not a gotcha, I just want to understand what you mean. Explain please.

[frank furnace]

^^

Is this so hard to understand?

[slender coral]

Niqab and Hijab are only for women.

Men can wear them in comedic sketches, and shows.

[frank furnace]

Yeah, that doesn't make sense cause the genders are the same

Modesty applies to everyone

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDbtrdfYqBc

[frank furnace]

Islam is the first feminist religion, you agree right?

[feral river]

Make America An Ethnostate

[slender coral]

Modesty rules are sometimes applied to men too, but yeah they are often inconsistent and less strict.

[slender coral]

No bro

[frank furnace]

It is bro

[slender coral]

How so?

[frank furnace]

So Islam doesn't care about women's rights?

What are you implying with your line of questioning?

[slender coral]

Islam gives women a set of limited rights and freedoms, so yes I'd say it's not supportive of women's right from a feminist perspective.

[cursive sphinx]

Then we agree that Islam has nothing to do with those who take the concepts and apply it based on their needs
I mean I can't go and take an example from a country side a rural state when people are uneducated and they follow what their wrong taught religion its concepts have been distorted by ignorant people, and applied to all religious people. Moderate Islam is innocent of the actions of some distorted individuals who incite hatred of Islam.
And back to having the right to criticise Islam... actually no religious individual would allow someone to talk shit about his religion, I mean if you are not Muslim and no one is bothering you or messing with you, you don't have to go and starting a problem from nothing
You want to criticise Islam do it, but don't expect a good treatment, prophet Mohammad when comes with Islam he got hurt from his own people even his own family
What I'm trying to say you have to choose between if you are an atheist preacher or just someone who wants to live in peace
And if you hate Islam but you don't hate other religions then you are just a hypocrite

[cursive sphinx]

Can you please provide something that a woman isn't allowed to do in Islam which is considered something against her freedom

[slender coral]

Islam created a culture where authoritarianism was acceptable. The religion never condemned it unless it went against faith like in the case of the Faron. Muslim states, even the ones with half baked secularism, claim they truly follow Islam, and anyone who objects is a Khariji, a term for a group of Muslim extremists who rebelled against Mohamed's companions and their followers.

You guys are fanatical in a special way. The only countries in the world that kill apostates are Muslim countries, and most of the countries that punish blasphemy and apostasy severly are Muslim ones.
You want me to criticize the thousands of religious beliefs on earth to satisfy you and not be a hypocrite? You don't realize that people talk about things that are relevant to them? Why would an Egyptian criticize and focus on Shinto faith, and why would a Japanese criticize and focus on Islam? People address what's relevant to them, and I, unfortunately, was born in a Muslim shithole of a country in a Muslim family, that's as relevant as it can get.

[frank furnace]

Start only fams

But I think Islam allows, depends on the interpretation

[cursive sphinx]

I told you Man
You already an atheist why you aren't killed yet, why Nawal alsa'dawi didn't get killed, Ibrahim issa..etc

[hybrid herald]

Role Still white they said

[cursive sphinx]

But why there are women who still Muslims

[hybrid herald]

Your role is white

• i am golden agaaaaain
  Hava nagila hava nagila @formal pilot

[frank furnace]

Cause obv it's a feminist religion

[cursive sphinx]

Omg, you hurt feminists by this
You disproved all their history

[frank furnace]

How so?

It seems like you're agreeing with the atheist earlier

[cursive sphinx]

I'm being sarcastic

[thorny steeple]

Good and evil dont exist inherently, and you can't prove me wrong

[cursive sphinx]

I remember this argument

But I won't start again

[thorny steeple]

what happend

[plain ruin]

Never forget

[hybrid herald]

I see this message daily in the 4 chats
He send this in every chat at the same time
I understand it when he was aggressively arguing about trees
Like tf

[winter echo]

https://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1984328606869254208?t=HjNqc5C9NW6-DmVBEBOPyQ&s=19

ADAM (@AdameMedia)

🇮🇱 Jewish Israeli historian Avi Shlaim:

“I served in the Israeli army and I will say it;

Israel is a racist colonizing state and the Palestinians have the right to resist.

Israel is the main obstacle to peace!”

X · Oct 31, 2025, 6:36 PM

[past heron]

listen guy

s

i am gonna go take a dump

[winter echo]

Stop wasting your time on this ret:rd

[cursive sphinx]

I'm not trying to convert him back to Islam
I just want to know why he became an atheist
He didn't tell yet

[winter echo]

I guarantee you he won't tell

[hidden shore]

as long as they can tolerate it like those rules,that is not considered a set of limited rights

[winter echo]

Sorry, there's been a mistake, the message wasn't meant for you

[cursive sphinx]

He has nothing to tell*

[hidden shore]

for those who grown up in that environment, it is hard to change the way of religious life

in qing dynasty, chinese people kept this hairstyle , because in 1645 made this hairstyle compulsory for all men as a sign of submission to the new dynasty. The policy was brutally enforced under the slogan "Keep your hair and lose your head, or keep your head and lose your hair, if you dont keep the hair like this , you can get killed by qing government

but after revolution, qing fell, but there was many people still not changing their hairstyle, this traditionally believed that the body, skin, and hair were gifts from one's parents and should not be damaged

you can even imagine that, it is hard to change without changing their thinking

[white birch]

How so? Give examples

[hidden shore]

it's important to understand it was a political and ethnic symbol of Manchu rule

but think about it ,in some countries like which they have really strong islamic traditions, people must have to wear scarf, whihc is also imporatnt it is a political and ethnic symbol of islmaic rule

[shell hemlock]

it does, that’s why there’s a different set of modest clothing for men too

[plain ruin]

Oo okay

No problem!

[feral river]

Not very much people in this fucking place

Fuck I want to go to Israel

[hidden shore]

i saw a foreigner

[crystal kayak]

All this glazing just for them to spit on you

[slender coral]

No knows I'm an atheist. Nawal Alsa'dawi and Ibrahim Isa got their protection from the government, as well as many death threats.
Muslim suppression of apoatates is a fact.

Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia https://share.google/rXfIxYQQLMpVUR51R

[hidden shore]

@slender coral if that is true, why you so dare criticized islam, since you are living in a Muslim country

[slender coral]

I do it online through anonymous acounts.

[cursive sphinx]

What prevents you from getting protected by the government

[slender coral]

I'd end up in prison if I do.

[slender coral]

I don't lick their boots like the two mentioned.

I'm also very honest about my opinion of Islam. The two are very indirect in their criticism, but I say Islam is a shitty religion. It's not that I'm braver or anything, I understand why they are careful to not hurt Muslims' pride.

[cursive sphinx]

Then you agree that the government is using them to feed its agenda
Aside from this, what hurts you to the point to become atheist

[slender coral]

The government use everyone, even the ministery of religious affairs that criticizes people like them is under government control.
Al-Azhar isn't directly under their control, but it still aligns with them often.

I'm not hurt don't worry, it's theists who go with faith to cope with pain. I let go of faith because it's not convincing, I clarified this and my opinions many times before in this chat.

[winter echo]

How dare you include my country in your false list?

[slender coral]

I'm not the one who made the graph, obviously. It's based on 2020. What's wrong with it?

But of course, instead of clarifying what's wrong, you jump straight to accusations.

[winter echo]

Because there's no point telling you

[slender coral]

I blame your religion. It didn't teach you honesty and good faith with those who have different views than you.

[winter echo]

Why are you so obsessed with Islam?
Were you forced to be a Muslim?

[slender coral]

There's no point answering you unfortunately.

[plain ruin]

Given @winter echo's message, I checked and found this

[white birch]

I agree, a lot of girls nowadays wear hijab just because of traditions and social pressure.

[slender coral]

He is Nigerian?

[plain ruin]

Explicitly, the law may not be there, so your map is not "fully correct", @winter echo may be right in one sense
But there's an unlawful execution about the killing for apostasy being done in Nigeria, and because it's communal, if there is a killing, it may be unpunished

[white birch]

Women are held accountable for any action that might bring social shame, while men face no such scrutiny.

[plain ruin]

As far as I know from previous conversations with him in chats on EngHub, yes

[white birch]

But this has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. It's a pure cultural problem.

[plain ruin]

Yeah it's a mix of culture and class

[winter echo]

I've lived in Nigeria my whole life, and I've never heard of anyone being killed for apostasy

[thorny steeple]

Guys how to pull girls with cool pink skintone? joking ; )

[plain ruin]

And interesting to see Kuwait here on Loss of child custody/marriage,
I thought their punishments might be as harsh as Saudi, but I checked at the map is right on this regard

[winter echo]

You're in the wrong place

[slender coral]

It's true that Islam doesn't instruct people to be harsher on one gender than the other, the punishments are all the same.
But the problem that Islam create was that it weakened the position of women in society by disallowing women from holding political power, and prohibiting independency for them. This led to men in Muslim society doing shit they want such as honor killings without facing much push back.

The Prophet (ﷺ) said:"A people who make a woman their ruler will never be successful." [Reported by al-Bukhari].

Bulugh al-Maram 1409 - Judgments - كتاب القضاء - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) https://share.google/nxVfKoxV2t6Pb19y8

[thorny steeple]

I said I am joking

[plain ruin]

It may be so, the law doesn't actually "allow" it
But at the end of the day, I can't say that it's not happening at all, you can't say it either

• We don't have any way to test if it may be be going on in private without anyone willing to report it, from my checking, I don't see any news about apostasy killings in public record in recent years
• When I did try to check for instances of killings, I found various individuals who got jail time for blasphemy, or people who promoted/defended the idea of a death penalty

[cursive sphinx]

Then why you don't just leave people on healing their pain with religion instead of finding reasons that makes you a hated person
I mean you said it's not convincing, is it worthy to keep on criticising it?
I mean your point is similar to that I'm a flat earther and all who believes in rounded earth are unconvincing
Your perspective is that all Muslims are shit and they are retard:d, then what's the point of taking every chance to criticise their beliefs
You gonna say that you are the one who started it or you the one who asked me, let's correct this before it's starting
I asked you to know your reasons not to disprove it
Or to convince you, at the end of this conversation I will say have a good day and move on, you decide what you want not me or anyone else
But my opinion is if I'm really sure about my choice I won't be nosy or curious to try to convince others or to mock and curse their beliefs
Freedom of speech doesn't mean to hurt people to prove your point
You can't talk shit about someone's beliefs and expecting them to welcome you with roses and if they did the opposite you call them retard:d, you are scared of showing your identity as an atheist, let's clear this
would you accept a religious person to live inside a neighborhood which filled with atheists?

[winter echo]

I don't believe you

[thorny steeple]

ok no prblm who cares

[winter echo]

I know we don't tolerate blasphemy, but we don't really care about apostasy, for the reason that it's a very rare occurrence.
I know a handful of people who did ridda and no one even tried to kill them

[winter echo]

Lmao 😂

[plain ruin]

I think that we should focus on more official sources than maps like this, because I think more than atheists, it's Christian evangelists/fundamentalists who make such maps without expecting anyone to verify the claims

Even funnier is the fact that Pakistan isn't mentioned on this list

Pakistan has restrictions on inheritance for apostates, I remember having a conversation about this with a Pakistani friend

Nevermind, inheritance isn't a feature on the map so it doesn't have to be included

[plain ruin]

Yeah, I try to be fair and check research myself if I'm free, since most of these pages/image/posts/websites are made by Christians

Thinking about it, agnostics and atheists have generally been the most fair when it comes to criticizing other religions

When one religion criticizes another, it's always extreme/taking out of context

At the end of the day, you didn't try to correct Devil, he's actually very open to listening, if you told him the same things that I did, he'd listen

[thorny steeple]

Peace

[winter echo]

Believe me he wont listen, I had so many debates with him, I know what he's like

[cursive sphinx]

Peace on you

[thorny steeple]

Thank you

What topics r discussed in the serious chat?

[cursive sphinx]

All topics, but mostly Religions

[plain ruin]

I think he will, he criticizes things in Islam that he disagrees with
But if the execution of the scripture in a country is fair/in line with secularist action, he's not going to going to simply criticize that country, unless the culture in that country involves going against the laws to promote such things

He's fair to Muslim people as people who can have their own opinions

[thorny steeple]

Bcz?

[slender coral]

Really? I got the map from the Wikipedia page about apostasy and I thought it checks out. You told me that there are Nigerian regions that enforce the apostasy death penalty unofficially(?)

[cursive sphinx]

Sinners preaching other sinners for sinning more than them

[thorny steeple]

I don't think religious debates In chats make any difference

[winter echo]

@plain ruin you see what I'm saying?

[plain ruin]

I got my image from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam_by_country

Your image comes from the same page but it doesn't check out with the matter listed on the same page, weirdly enough

[plain ruin]

He's asking me to confirm

[slender coral]

Eh, what a strange error. Pakistan isn't on the list?

Yea, it isn't, dam.

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[formal pilot]

It does contribute in your ability to make complex English sentences, unless you're using Ai

[winter echo]

Do some due diligence

[cursive sphinx]

Some people just want to understand
And others just want to look like they are different
But the judgment Day will be the division between all the nonsense happening here

[plain ruin]

Pakistan doesn't have official laws promoting killing for apostasy, they used to do killings by using blasphemy laws, by using the idea that "This person hurt my religious sentiment by blaspheming... etc."

[thorny steeple]

I see, in the end of the chat none gonna agree on something. It is not worth the energy.

[slender coral]

I'm not talking about the death penalty here. The map shows other punishments and restrictions as well.

[plain ruin]

I wouldn't say that it's his fault either
The same page which has the map, has information in the text that is different from what the map shows, this is a fault of Wikipedia not updating the map, they claim its from "2020" but Nigeria hasn't had An "Official law for the killing of apostates" for a long time

[cursive sphinx]

✅ 💯

[winter echo]

I hear you

[plain ruin]

Yup, but there seem to be little/no laws explicitly stating "apostasy"
More important would be whether the countries have been known to commit punishments outside apostasy laws, which this map fails to convey

It's a kind of a grey area because it's Pakistan... I wouldn't trust their reporting on the matter, especially now that they're essentially a military state

Bangladesh, I don't think has apostasy laws, but they have killed Hindus there with little/no punishment afaik

More important than law is the communal execution of the act

Apparently this is the reasoning for having Nigeria on the map

I would say that this is understandable in a sense, but a grey area for people not in Nigeria to be making the claim too

[white birch]

Islam guarantees women rights, whoever was in the position of power should stick to the law and give them their due rights. If they break the law, higher authorities should hold them responsible and give them legal punishment.

[stray shell]

hijab is something a girl wears, men have their own version of head covering if that's what you're asking

[white birch]

It's not about who hold the power position (a judge or so) but the law being implied.

[winter echo]

Why did you even answer that?

[stray shell]

he/she is confused

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-happy-dance-happy-birthday-happy-birthday-to-you-gif-14641296808833921829

https://tenor.com/view/edwinner-master-league-of-legends-league-of-gif-11435474005295715943

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[thorny steeple]

Excuse me! Would you help me? I want to join a server but it needs phone number identification. When I enter the No it doesn't work 🙁

[verbal torrent]

HASHQJHSHWHAH

[sharp beacon]

Hey yaalll

[rain lava]

Same , u cant do nothing about it, just contact the mod or admin to help you

[thorny steeple]

Thanko

[crystal kayak]

Friendly advise don't take him seriously and don't try to change his mind he is unsaveable

[crystal kayak]

No sorry I don't associate myself with terrorist states

[stray shell]

okay, i didn't know

[cursive sphinx]

You need to verify the phone number

[high rapids]

She needs your phone number

[cursive sphinx]

No she doesn't

[high rapids]

haha

https://tenor.com/view/heart-machine-gun-kelly-mgk-colson-baker-gif-20153925

[thorny steeple]

I know. I said it doesn't work. Btw a member helped me. Thank you, sir

[cursive sphinx]

Oh wait
You have a phone number but it didn't work
It's fall under two things

1. Talking to discord support to find the problem
2. Or your phone number is attached to another account

You r welcome 🙏

[slender coral]

What higher authority? If the leader of a state would lower the punishment for "honor killings" for instance, who would stand against him? The dependent and restricted Muslim women?

Add to that how Islam tolerates authoritarianism as long as it doesn't oppose it, and you have a recipe for full patriarchal control.

[turbid ivy]

Okay, are you a muslim tho

[thorny steeple]

Yes,I am

[turbid ivy]

Oki.. why muslim?

[high crater]

Islam is cool

[turbid ivy]

Which part of islam is cool?

[high crater]

You can wear ninja clothes and say it’s what your religion commands

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R5IwjxAOqsg

[thorny steeple]

Bro I don't wanna discuss things that r important and sensible but I would say it's my preference as u preferred any other religion

[feral river]

**TAX PEOPLE MORE FOR THIS PIECE OF SHIT **

[turbid ivy]

It's cool because it commands to wear modest clothing?

[thorny steeple]

For how long have you studied about it?

[turbid ivy]

😒

[high crater]

Hmmmmmmm. There are other things too

[turbid ivy]

it's been 2-3 years

[feral river]

but you do that by supporting a non-existing terrorist ruled state

[high crater]

It’s cool cuz they got magic and stuff

[high crater]

Eventhough it’s HARAM in their religion

[turbid ivy]

Ah. But do you know that covering law is only for the free women.. the slave women aren't allowed to wear those clothings..

[thorny steeple]

Don't answer him he wants to end the conversation with his ideology don't waste your time

[summer sphinx]

Mfs always ranting bout religion

[high crater]

I’m not Muslim lol

[high rapids]

Tax the poor

[thorny steeple]

I didn't say cz your muslim or not just said don't waste your time

[high crater]

Well womp womp for slaves. Most slaves didn’t get good rights in other religions either

[high rapids]

@feral river your here?

[high crater]

Okay Ty random angel on the internet

[thorny steeple]

Don't mind them leave them

[turbid ivy]

ahha... so how it's good?

[high crater]

I’m said it’s cool

Don’t change what I said

[summer sphinx]

I could never leave a potential ragebait hanging

[thorny steeple]

Why r u talking about something you don't have knowledge about bro mind your business

[feral river]

TAX THE POOR 🇺🇸

THERE'S NOTHING TO TAX ON RICHES

[turbid ivy]

ahha.. how it's cool

[high crater]

I just said why

[turbid ivy]

Teach me

[high crater]

Bro you ain’t even good at debating😭😭😭😭😭😭

[thorny steeple]

Chats r senseless go and take a class irl

[lime cobalt]

Why amazon app is ugly ?

I mean the design

[turbid ivy]

is it cool to force people?

[high rapids]

@feral river Is it true that possession of drugs is punishable by death in China?

[turbid ivy]

would you gonna be my teacher

[high crater]

That’s religion. All religions command stuff. If you believe in it it’s not forced

[thorny steeple]

I'm not a teacher

[slender coral]

Your god allowed slavery.

[high rapids]

@slender coral hello

[turbid ivy]

And it feels cool to you?

[turbid ivy]

what kinda slavery

[high crater]

All religions are cool yeah

[lime cobalt]

I mean we know jeff bezos , he can hire better designer

[turbid ivy]

so when they teach people to force,, is that cool?

[high crater]

All religions did. None abolished it

[high crater]

THEY DONT FOR GODS SAKE READ WHAT I SAID

[high crater]

If you believe a religion you aren’t forced, you believe in it

[turbid ivy]

Which do you feel cool,, forcing people makes you feel cool?

[turbid ivy]

But im asking you.. does that make you feel cool?

[high crater]

I don’t believe in any of them

Learn English bro

Then debate in English

[turbid ivy]

I see. i know.. but how does that make you feel cool, dude

that's what i wanna know

[turbid ivy]

my guy 😂

[cursive sphinx]

🐿️

[feral river]

Yes 50gram of drug is enough to result a death penalty without very much of a trial

Even if you get a quick trial the result will not be changed probably

[high rapids]

Interesting

[feral river]

we do follow 'due process' depends on the region and the status of the issue based on the case

for example if nobody cares and it was a small case of another regular people stole something he might not going to the court but being send to prison by police order

but other cases relating to sentitive issues such as divorce appeal, financial crime, or other things they will follow the due process

[high rapids]

thanks:)

What can you tell me about triad families in China?

[feral river]

but it also depends on the region if that was happened in some villages or random areas where nobody cares, nothing got you in court

[high rapids]

@feral river

[winter echo]

If you have 2 phone numbers, try the other number

[high rapids]

Give her your phone number

https://tenor.com/view/heart-machine-gun-kelly-mgk-colson-baker-gif-20153925

[feral river]

we removed them off the society

[high rapids]

Really?

[feral river]

yeah that was a past thing actually

[high rapids]

There is a three-hour documentary from the West about the families who are alleged to be co-governing China

[feral river]

triad was mostly removed in 2005-2006

and they got totally disappeared at around 2014-2016

[winter echo]

You were warned earlier, but you didn't listen

[high crater]

Lmfao true

[feral river]

typical western propaganda piece of shit

that social credit is also a lie

we have mass survellance and face recognition system but we don't punish people by setting up a score to evaluate what they would do for the state

nobody would accept that fucking piece of shit lmfao

if that system was implemented as what westerners used to think and believe this is real, I would move out of China asap

China is a safe, prosperous huge megadiverse state where people has all freedom besides participating in politics

[thorny steeple]

[feral river]

don't get yourself in politics in China you are almost free as you do in America

and the party, state, authority shall not be challenged anytime by any person

🇨🇳 LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA

[high crater]

LONG LIVE XI PINGGGG WINNE THE POOH

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-hug-gif-8932040841377274404

[feral river]

you got yourself in jail if you show this picture on your phone publicly

we do have political commissars and secret police

[turbid ivy]

okay.. but im sure you know at least somethin about islam?

[high crater]

My friend is xaon ma dong it’s fine

I am also Chinese

[high crater]

I work with them

[thorny steeple]

Do you have any interest or wanna say your ideas about how you feel about the religion

[turbid ivy]

i can express my interest.. i

[high crater]

Nice edit. +5 social credit

[thorny steeple]

Then get a class irl

[turbid ivy]

where.. no classess here

[white birch]

I mean "higher authority" in a hierarchical way. Like, a local judge -> Minister of Justice -> Prime Minister -> leader of the state. If anyone abuses their authority, the one above them should act and hold them accountable.

[thorny steeple]

Where r you frm

[turbid ivy]

Nepal.. you?

[white birch]

But, our countries are rotten to the core. There is no law being followed, Islamic or not, nothing at all. It's complete chaos.

[thorny steeple]

Afg

Now again say something

[white birch]

As I said earlier, the problem is not religious. Honor killing is prohibited in Islam. The leaders who not only allow but even reduce the punishment for such barbaric acts aren't that religious, are they?

[turbid ivy]

ooh my goodness. that's a tough country.. how's life there?

[turbid ivy]

say something?

[thorny steeple]

Pretty normal

[turbid ivy]

what was that.. afganan militia something.. i have heard they force people

[thorny steeple]

So come and help instead of commenting

[white birch]

Good to know. There's all kind of rumors going around about afg

[thorny steeple]

Media spreads bullshit abt the situation here

[turbid ivy]

Will they allow me to enter your country?

[thorny steeple]

If you r useful

[turbid ivy]

i have heard the militia are dangerous and dont allow women to go to school, is that true?

[thorny steeple]

It's a US managed regime It's not our milit

[turbid ivy]

💀 US was helping you guys tho

[thorny steeple]

You don't know politics bro I don't wanna waste my time on this discussion

[turbid ivy]

Sure.. but i wanted to tell you something abt islam.. which is very much rude

[thorny steeple]

Thank you

[turbid ivy]

👀

[turbid ivy]

But you wouldnt' like it since you have been a muslim from your childhood

[thorny steeple]

So don't say it. Common sense

[turbid ivy]

👀 i just wanted to tell

Because it's hurting

[thorny steeple]

Don't hurt yourself get a job instead to save your time

[white birch]

US never disappoints as. Always here to make sure the Middle East is safe😂

[turbid ivy]

💀 i got a job

[turbid ivy]

💀

[thorny steeple]

So help ppl starving around you

[turbid ivy]

No. i havent seen anyone here begging for money.. but i try to help as much as i can.. mostly people who needs help can be found in hospitals or blood donations camps

[thorny steeple]

So you only help beggars

Anyways

I gotta go

[cursive sphinx]

The same as India is helping you, right?

[turbid ivy]

Noo.. i try to help someone who's in help,, not necessailry onley beggars

[white birch]

Byee

[turbid ivy]

India is not really helping us

[cursive sphinx]

Then how you claim that US was helping them

[turbid ivy]

take care

[turbid ivy]

Since the US was netraulizing the terriorism in afghanistan,, the ground invasion.. that's a kind of help to destory the threats

[high rapids]

@feral river Do you have pictures of your city?

[cursive sphinx]

And the people who got killed, you consider them minor loss?
Or is it allowed to invade a country then justifying this by "I was fighting terrorists"

[high rapids]

Yes

[turbid ivy]

This is justified for many reasons..

1. They had attacked America, so yeah.. if they had attacked, to neutralize the future threats, America must needed to do neutralize the threat
2. this is also beneficial for afghan citizens because those threats were ruling their country... making it as worse and worse everyday...
3. And people do die in wars

[feral river]

ofc I had a lot

check ur dm

[cursive sphinx]

Seriously? Lmao
What kind of US propaganda you are on

[turbid ivy]

This is not a propoganda.. Al Qaeda caused 9/11, the leader was afghan milita Osama,, he had his entire army.. infact they were ruling in Afghan from centuries...

[cursive sphinx]

Americans were funding them to fight against USSR 😂 😂
Do you know about this?

[slender coral]

They often are. Honor culture is more relevant in conservative segments of Muslim societies, these certainly are more religious. I've seen many Sheikhs encourage aspects of honor culture despite their opposition to honor killings. It's their responsibility. They deprived women of power, left them vulnerable.

[turbid ivy]

USSR lasted till 1991,, Al Qaeda attacked America in 2001

[cursive sphinx]

Yes, everything has roots

You should read then you judge

[turbid ivy]

so you were saying they were funding to destroy their own country?

[cursive sphinx]

They realised the shit they made
But 9/11 is fabricated

[turbid ivy]

That's a well recorded history, infact there is a footage... let's deny the same the Palestine affair, crazy shit

[manic juniper]

Depends on the country

[cursive sphinx]

My friend, Open your eyes and read from proper sources
You probably don't know that Osama bin lad:n was from Saudi Arabia

[cursive sphinx]

Afghanistan

[turbid ivy]

Okay, can we have that discussion in the vc,, i wanna see your sources and wanna have that discussion in depth

[manic juniper]

Don't know much about Afghanistan but I know that Russia invaded it before so I wouldn't invade them again

[cursive sphinx]

Go read and investigate about this
After this, sure we can

[high rapids]

send?:)

[cursive sphinx]

Godfrey saying that US was helping Afghanistan

[manic juniper]

I think Afghanistan is beyond help

[turbid ivy]

Im not denying that he was Saudi.. his citizenship was cancelled, he was banished by Saudi.. he had settled in Afghan.. where he influnced people to hate America.. since he was always hating them when Saudi was trading oil and gas with America

[manic juniper]

USA probably made it worse

[turbid ivy]

he influenced Afghans and recruited a huge military

[cursive sphinx]

But USA and Saudi Arabia were funding them to go Afghanistan

[turbid ivy]

What's the evidence do you have

[manic juniper]

Weren't those people the same trained by USA decades earlier to fight communists in Afghanistan

They were kinda stupid to do this

[turbid ivy]

When soviet had attacked afghan, US and Sauid were helping them to fight Soviet.. Think about this way.. saudi and US were helping the citizens of Afghan to fight against invaders.. they didnt fund Osama.. Osama went to afghan through his own private resources

[manic juniper]

They didn't help them in the right way, they trained insane religious fundamentalists

Probably because the only people who would never accept communism under any circumstance would be those

[cursive sphinx]

Bro no
He was protected by the US, he joined the same program

Saudi Arabia were asking people to go there

[turbid ivy]

Who would know they were crazy bastards

[turbid ivy]

source?

[formal pilot]

Is it religion again?

[manic juniper]

Their literal name was "mujahideen", how tf did they not know

This is like training a group of people called "the insane racists" and then you're surprised they turn out to be... Insane racists

[cursive sphinx]

Do you have a proper sources that prove that US and Saudi Arabia were the reason of creating a program to fight communists in Afghanistan?

[turbid ivy]

It's just means muslim.. wha

[manic juniper]

It doesn't

[turbid ivy]

it's someone who is struggling, the literal meaning, so called jihad

Every muslim thinks he is a jihad

[manic juniper]

Muslims don't randomly create armies called "army of jihad" only insane ones do

[formal pilot]

Are you talking about Operation Cyclone? I'm not sure about Saudia Arabia

[turbid ivy]

Jihad can be used in many senses...

1. if the citizens are struggling to fight against their enemies.. the citizens can be called jihad
2. There are different kinds of jihad,, im going through the literal meanings.. a muslim always struggle to spread islam

[manic juniper]

Any army with religious imagery or connotations gotta be insane, same as that Christian militia in Lebanon who massacred innocents decades ago

[turbid ivy]

It's muhammad did.. 😭 they folllow him

[formal pilot]

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia https://share.google/ht3tQQDLLYfQOZ7Eu

[cursive sphinx]

What happened in Afghanistanwas an intelligence operation, unrelated to the true concept of jihad; these people were used in the name of religion for the benefit of America.

[turbid ivy]

There is no such movement we have from jesus or apostles

[cursive sphinx]

@turbid ivy

[turbid ivy]

This would result in the benefit of islam ultimately..

1. If the person do die,, he gets jannah and 72 women
2. if he won the war,, he will get booty

[turbid ivy]

what about it

[cursive sphinx]

You asked for a source

[turbid ivy]

Okay, present the paper with related sources

[white birch]

Religiously, killing is considered a bigger sin than zina.
A conservative society doesn't equal a religious society.
Often, being conservative refers to cultural conservatism, not religious conservatism.

[cursive sphinx]

That's when you are fighting for Islam not for helping Americans

[cursive sphinx]

Bro read the link

[manic juniper]

What about the Crusaders

[cursive sphinx]

We discussing that Osama bin lad:n was one of those who joined the program

[formal pilot]

Wasn't the CIA aware of the attack but they didn't inform the FBi

(It was on official report)

[uncut tiger]

I AM GONNA FLY SOME PLANES

[turbid ivy]

I just said i dont deny that CIA funded afghan miliatiary when they were attacked by Soviet.. i have addressed that earlier.. now,, your claim is that they funded Osama, what's the source for it

[turbid ivy]

They were defending the christians from people like muhammad

[cursive sphinx]

@turbid ivy saying that America invaded Afghanistan to neutralize the terrorists who were responsible for 9/11 and he claimed that US was helping Afghan people

[cursive sphinx]

Huh

When did you change your mind

[turbid ivy]

That's what you claimed

[formal pilot]

Osama wasn't afgani

[cursive sphinx]

Godfrey saying the opposite

[formal pilot]

Anyway, there's no point in discussing anything with him lol

[turbid ivy]

Al Qaeda,, they had their base in Afghanistan.. and their leader was Osama..

[cursive sphinx]

I was the wing of that plane too

[uncut tiger]

there will always be one or two jihads at least

[turbid ivy]

His citizneship was already cancelled by saudi in 1994 because he had become their threat and training Al Qaeda against them

[turbid ivy]

[manic juniper]

I share birthday with Al Qaeda btw

[stray shell]

when is your birthday

[turbid ivy]

1998?

[formal pilot]

They conducted military operations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, and Syria

[manic juniper]

11th of August

[slender coral]

They also reject killing, but give it lighter sentances. Add to that, the killings happen in the first place as a result of honor culture, which co existed and was formed with Islam.

[manic juniper]

00

[stray shell]

why is 11 so cursed (not for you ofcourse, the 9/11 attack and then start of Al Qaeda)

[formal pilot]

They tortured innocent teens from Pakistan

[turbid ivy]

2000 uhh?

[formal pilot]

26 11 india

[uncut tiger]

shit i blew my balls off

[stray shell]

what happened then?

[formal pilot]

Newspaper headlines: India Air crash 'sole survivor' and 'miracle of seat 11A' - BBC News https://share.google/tehAMb5IXp3SsiUDF

[formal pilot]

Terrorist attack in mumbai

[uncut tiger]

if he says pak was involved in it, dont believe him

[formal pilot]

You must be flexible

Lashkar e taiba

Was involved in it

[stray shell]

oh

let me look it up

[formal pilot]

Yes, even terrorist attacks in pakistan aren't caused by Pakistanis

[stray shell]

is it the afghanis then?

[uncut tiger]

terrorism has no nation and no religion

[formal pilot]

It was a sarcastic statement

[turbid ivy]

I disagree

🙂

[stray shell]

i disagree

[uncut tiger]

laughatthisuser

[stray shell]

israel is a terrorist nation

[uncut tiger]

there are some nice israeli people too

who dont support zionism

[turbid ivy]

Does the religion teach to attack someone who have a different belief? not based on what crimes they have done against humanity

[cursive sphinx]

[formal pilot]

That's why you guys haven't fixed the problem yet, 70,000 Pakistanis have died in the last 20 years and millions affected from terrorist attacks

[thorny steeple]

The teachings of some religions can lead to this

[cursive sphinx]

Congratulations congratulations

[formal pilot]

Like abrahimic religions

[stray shell]

thats a lot

[cursive sphinx]

The Israeli baddies won't let you hit

[stray shell]

why are pakistani people killing their own people

[uncut tiger]

TERRORISM HAS NO RELIGION

[turbid ivy]

Does Islam teach to attack someone who have a different belief? not based on what crimes they have done against humanity

[formal pilot]

Sure but if you're a Muslim you're more likely to be an extremist compared to being buddhist

[uncut tiger]

I refuse to believe that any religion promotes terrorism

[cursive sphinx]

You are literally talking to a Muslim now
What makes you feel this

[turbid ivy]

Then you are not a muslim, if you deny the core teachings of islam.. i think you have left islam

[uncut tiger]

That is not the religion's fault

[formal pilot]

Tamlud says goyam doesn't have the right to exist

[uncut tiger]

its the followers fault

[thorny steeple]

all these are not the same

[cursive sphinx]

Depends on how you define the terrorism

[stray shell]

tamaman

[turbid ivy]

what's goyam

[formal pilot]

Aren't you a Christian

[turbid ivy]

i am

[formal pilot]

Don't you know this

[turbid ivy]

never seen those words in my torah

[cursive sphinx]

Why this تماما sounds so funny

[formal pilot]

All can be interpreted in a really bad way

[turbid ivy]

Sometimes it's just not the interpreations but there are direct commands

[stray shell]

😭

[manic juniper]

Christians seem to have the least terrorist orgs per capita

[formal pilot]

Yes, but Judaism and islam are barbaric

[stray shell]

i smell a lie

[turbid ivy]

that's true

[manic juniper]

Judaism could have the most

[formal pilot]

Like in Tamlud or Hadith

[cursive sphinx]

[turbid ivy]

Yes i agree

[manic juniper]

They had a terrorist org when they didn't even have a country, and also they are way less than Christians and Muslims

Congratulations to Judaism

[turbid ivy]

Comparing to Quran only muslims and sunni muslims.. quran only muslims are more peaceful than sunni islams.. the reason is that they dont follow those hadiths

[formal pilot]

I won't engage in discussions with you about islam, you're literally Islamophobic

[turbid ivy]

What does that mean

[formal pilot]

They also are the smartest one

[formal pilot]

Yes, muslims can be really chill

[turbid ivy]

Well,, at that time they were destroying the actual terrorists like Amorites, Hitties, Cannitites, Perizzites... since they were fighting eachother and being inhumane.. they came like an army to swipe them out 🌚

[manic juniper]

Actual terrorists like the people inhabiting their own kingdoms? Lol

I guess Rome too was destroying terrorists when they killed the Gauls and Dacians

Or the Jews when they destroyed the temple

[cursive sphinx]

he set out to go to Taif, hoping to find someone there from the tribe of Thaqif to support him. This was in the month of Shawwal of the tenth year of the mission. He took with him his freed slave Zayd ibn Haritha - may God be pleased with him - and when he - may God bless him and grant him peace - arrived in Taif, he began to call them to Islam and to the call of truth, but he received nothing from them but denial and rejection.[1] The people of Taif were not satisfied with mocking the Messenger of God - may God bless him and grant him peace - and rejecting him, but they turned their people against him, so they began to throw stones at him until they hit his feet, so his shoes were stained with blood, and his freed slave Zayd began to repel their harm from him until his head was injured. So they went to the wall of a garden belonging to Shaybah and Utbah, the sons of Rabi’ah, to take refuge in it, but the Messenger of God - may God bless him and grant him peace - disliked to stay there because of their enmity towards him; They looked at him as if they were taking pleasure in the harm he suffered at the hands of the people of Ta'if. [1] The Prophet's supplication in Ta'if: After the harm inflicted upon the Messenger of God (peace and blessings be upon him) by the people of Ta'if intensified, he raised his hands and supplicated with this prayer: “O God, to You I complain of my weakness, my lack of resources, and my insignificance in the eyes of people. O Most Merciful of the merciful, You are the Lord of the oppressed, and You are my Lord. To whom do You entrust me? To a distant stranger who frowns upon me, or to an enemy to whom You have given power over me? If You are not angry with me, then I care not, for Your favor is more encompassing for me. I seek refuge in the light of Your countenance, by which darkness is dispelled and the affairs

[turbid ivy]

they had their own certain small kingdoms.. they used to fight often against eacother..and they had also pretty awful practices.. Egypt at that time was their maanger

[thorny steeple]

I thought the debate would have been ended lol

[cursive sphinx]

of this world and the Hereafter are set right, from Your anger descending upon me or Your wrath befalling me. To You The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “I will be pleased until you are satisfied, and there is no power or strength except with You.” [2] The reason for the Prophet’s departure to Ta’if: After the death of the Prophet’s uncle (may God bless him and grant him peace) and his wife Khadija, the hostility of the disbelievers of Quraysh towards him increased, and they multiplied their kinds of harm against him until they reached the point of throwing filth at him. So the Prophet (may God bless him and grant him peace) thought of going to Ta’if in the hope that he would find someone to support him from the tribe of Thaqif, and this was the reason for the Prophet’s (may God bless him and grant him peace) departure to Ta’if. [3] The Prophet’s return from Ta’if to Mecca: The Messenger of God (may God bless him and grant him peace) returned from Ta’if after they had harmed him and denied him, so the Mother of the Believers, Aisha (may God be pleased with her), asked him: “Did a day come upon you that was more difficult than the day of Uhud?” He said: “I have suffered much at the hands of your people, and the worst of what I suffered from them was on the day of al-Aqaba, when I presented myself to Ibn Abd Yalil ibn Abd Kulal, but he did not respond to what I wanted. So I left, distressed, and went about my business. I did not recover until I was at Qarn al-Thaalib. I raised my head, and there was a cloud that shaded me. I looked, and there was Gabriel in it. He called to me and said: ‘God has heard what your people

said to you, and what They responded to you, and the angel of the mountains was sent to you so that you could command him as you wished concerning them. The angel of the mountains called to me and greeted me, then said: O Muhammad, he said that as you wished. If you wished, I would bring down the two mountains upon them. The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: Rather, I hope that God will bring forth from their loins those who will worship God alone and not associate anything with Him. [4][4] So the Prophet of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, did not accept to pray against his people, hoping that someone would come forth from among them who would worship God alone and support his call. This was the Messenger’s stance regarding the reaction of the people of Ta’if. This demonstrates the Prophet's magnanimity, gentleness of heart, and mercy towards his people.

[turbid ivy]

I would see the destruction of the temple as the judgement agaisnt jews for denying their messiah

[tiny apex]

Serious chat has become serious essays

[turbid ivy]

what is that

[cursive sphinx]

❣️

[cursive sphinx]

You stated that the hadiths are encouraging the Muslims to be radical

Read this story

[rapid mauve]

hi guys im having an english exam next week and would like to practice the topics in vc, doest anyone want to help me?

[cursive sphinx]

Congratulations, Americans were helping you

[turbid ivy]

yes, not just the hadiths, but also the quran.. i would like to present those hadiths if you want me to do that.. whatever you copy pasted.. neither it's a historical source or a hadith..

[thorny steeple]

Lol

[white birch]

Girl, how many times should I repeat myself? This is cultural, everything you are against comes from cultural problems that doesn't align with Islamic teachings.
Honor culture existed long before Islam.
It's the leaders, the people, not the religion itself.

[cursive sphinx]

Give me

[stray shell]

how did you type that much

[formal pilot]

89% human
(I checked it guys)

[manic juniper]

The Hittites had an empire

[formal pilot]

Usually muslims in serious chat don't type long messages, they use Ai

[manic juniper]

He is the rightly guided debater

[turbid ivy]

Wasn't that in modern day Turkey?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[formal pilot]

It would be fun to discuss something with him

[cursive sphinx]

It's a story I copied it from a source 🫠

[thorny steeple]

Ever since I was a kid I was watching debates and got one point, if the debate gets too long it doesn't have point, leave the person who is dedicated to believe in their own thoughts!

[turbid ivy]

If people who dont agree with islam, the jews or Christains.. you call them the worst of creatures... this is the thing that islam spreads hatred

[cursive sphinx]

It's a story

[formal pilot]

There was a guy who used to copy arguments from a website and it was Ai generated, when I confronted him he said he copied from website

[cursive sphinx]

Judasim and Christianity say the same about others

[formal pilot]

Usually long discussions are most fruitful, I'm not sure about debates

[turbid ivy]

Can you quote me any verses in the bible that we say unbelievers are worst of creatures

[cursive sphinx]

But this one I literally copied it from a website
I can provide you a link but it's in arabic
https://mawdoo3.com/قصة_النبي_في_الطائف

[thorny steeple]

I'm looking forward to seeing a fruit in the end of this discussion, inform me, MashaAllah you got patience for it.

[cursive sphinx]

Which version

[formal pilot]

Yes, I checked it
It was human written

[formal pilot]

This is not a discussion this is a debate

[turbid ivy]

you are saying the christians and jews have the same teachings.. so which verse in the bible that we claim unebelievers are the worst of the creatures

[thorny steeple]

Whatever you name it

[stray shell]

yes but you typed the whole story

[cursive sphinx]

Don't know what you implying there
But the story is proven from the islamic books

[cursive sphinx]

I copied it

[formal pilot]

I said, yes you're right

[stray shell]

a person wrote that on their website

maybe

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

Why do you think that ? I mean about Christianity.I can give you some passage from the Bible that say just the opposite

[turbid ivy]

This is peace?

[cursive sphinx]

Matthew 25:41

Revelation 21:8

[crystal kayak]

He is not christian bro

[cursive sphinx]

I asked you which version of your bible you believe in

[cursive sphinx]

...

[crystal kayak]

He reads the king James bible

[turbid ivy]

When you say the version, do you mean which translation of the bible in english?

[thorny steeple]

Luke 6:27 NIV
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you.

Luke 6:32 NIV
“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.

Luke 6:35 NIV
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

Ephesians 4:32 NIV
Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

[cursive sphinx]

I brought those two

[cursive sphinx]

@turbid ivy

[white birch]

To God, they are the worst of creatures.
Don't Jews think the same way about Christians and Muslims? Same for Christians.
If God is one, and some ppl believe otherwise, of course he won't be happy with them.

[turbid ivy]

Have you read the context?

[turbid ivy]

Ok, what's the context of that verse?

[cursive sphinx]

Read these two verses and explain them

[crystal kayak]

[thorny steeple]

Galatians 5:14 NIV
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

[turbid ivy]

And who created them?
i'm not the speaker on the behalf of the jews
You have the predetermination in islam.. so he becomes angry when he makes them dislike islam?

[cursive sphinx]

The same question, did you read the tafsir of that verse from Qur'an ?

[crystal kayak]

If he did,he wouldn't waste his breath on nobu,be a good Samaritan and warn the poor dude

[white birch]

Makes who dislike Islam?

[turbid ivy]

you quoted the verse.. everytime when you qoute the verses,,whatever the book is that whether bible or the quran,, make sure to read the context
Since you have problem when God sending them in hell.. could you tell me why people go to hell?

[fresh flower]

@plain ruin Yo look at the irony

[thorny steeple]

Could you say what isn't okay with this passage ?

[turbid ivy]

yes,, infact when i quoted the verses,, i also provided the tafsirs,, infact i have read the tafsirs

[turbid ivy]

[lucid pond]

Can anyone know about this one?

Betora football

Website

[cursive sphinx]

Yes, you read but you don't understand
It exactly means who refutes the existing of Islam and the prophet Mohammad
I mean as a Muslim I will face the same fate If I said Jesus was not a prophet sent by Allah, and this applies to Christians who say that Islam does not exist and that Muhammad was not a prophet from God.
That's the meaning of that

[tiny apex]

One look and shouldn’t everyone know that

[thorny steeple]

✈️ 🏢

[cursive sphinx]

Nothing, but can you explain it

[turbid ivy]

But when you say they are the worst of the creatures.. you actually think you are better than them.. ie they are so wicked.. could you tell me what wicked thing a christians did or we do today?

[cursive sphinx]

Read my message again please

It doesn't mean all Christians

[slender coral]

I believe it has

[uncut tiger]

which one do you think

[turbid ivy]

So it did mean which christian?

[fresh flower]

Wow.......

[cursive sphinx]

Only those who refutes the existing of Islam and prophet Mohammad

[slender coral]

I'm saying that the environment Islam shaped caused this. Which of my points do you disagree with?

[turbid ivy]

As as a relgion existed in the 7th century.. christians christians were not denying it as a religion or the existence of muhammad.. because muhammad literally inviting them to join islam.. they just didnt accept islam or muhammad as a true prophet..
Like all the christians do today.. so. how does that make us the worst of the creatures?

[thorny steeple]

When Jesus comes back, he’ll separate people based on how they lived. Those who believed in Him and did what’s right — showing kindness, helping others, living by His words — will be welcomed by Him. But those who turned away from Him, who didn’t care about doing good or loving others, will be sent away from His presence. These first are represented by sheeps ,these seconds by goats.

[turbid ivy]

and that's the context of mattew that he quoted haha

[hidden shore]

1999?

[slender coral]

I mean your point is similar to that I'm a flat earther and all who believes in rounded earth are unconvincing
This is silly beyond belief. My point, that Islam is wrong, is similar to flat earth bs? Why most scientists don't follow Islam then?
I'll criticize because it deserves to be criticized. It's both harmful and wrong, delusion doesn't deserve special protection just because it makes some feel better, especial when the damage it does is bigger than the benefits.
I never said all Muslims are shit and retar_ed.
You are free to engage me or not, I welcome discussion when it's respectful and done with an open-mind.
Again, the attitude of Muslims toward criticism to their religious beliefs is something we don't see as often and as intensely in other religious group, and I clarified why I think so earlier.
Again I never called anyone the r slur.
And to answer your final question, yes I'd be very accepting of having a theist in my neighborhood. And it doesn't stop there, I'd be very accepting of my children converting to a religion, but of course as long as they stay kind and tolerant, which doesn't happen as often as it should, especially in the case of Islam.

[cursive sphinx]

Listen, I'm not the one who decides which people enter the heaven or which people enter the hell
What I'm saying is that verse was just refering to those who denied the Islam and the prophet Mohammad
I mean let me ask you the question
Do you believe in prophet Mohammad and Islam?

[coral belfry]

A moment of silence....

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gunfire-arabs-gif-27133525

[cursive sphinx]

Thanks 🙏

[coral belfry]

??

[slender coral]

The death of an imperial power is a good thing.

[thorny steeple]

The 9/11 attacks in NYC

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/ny-911-gif-6059046499195426216

[hidden shore]

Normal

[hidden shore]

Good

[white birch]

How did Islam shape this environment? I don't get it

[turbid ivy]

Ok, so how does that make them the worst of creatures when we deny islam as a right religion? NOw, if you say it's a religion, could you tell me what's right abt islam?

[cursive sphinx]

Alright Man
We agree to disagree
Have a great day

[shell hemlock]

i see some defending to do

[slender coral]

As I said earlier, it deprived women of political and social power which made them vulnerable to total control by men.

[shell hemlock]

government control & religion doesn’t exist together

[swift crest]

Couldn't agree more!

[cursive sphinx]

What you gonna say If I said that Christianity is just a mythical story
In what category you categories me

[shell hemlock]

whatever contradicts the teaching of islam, has nothing to do with islam

[turbid ivy]

Well, first i will ask your evidence of your claim

[slender coral]

You could be indirectly responsable for a problem.

[uncut tiger]

salam aleykum sister ameen

[swift crest]

I think it's very subjective

[shell hemlock]

waalaikumsalam 😎

[uncut tiger]

marhaba ya habibi

ahlan wasahlan

[shell hemlock]

islamic rulings have nothing to do with the political law

[slender coral]

Bruh

[shell hemlock]

why are you feeling xtra religious today

[cursive sphinx]

I have no proofs + I know that Christianity is truth but I denying it
What categories I fall into

[fresh flower]

We're done 💔

[swift crest]

WhAt ArE YOu SaYInG????

[uncut tiger]

no dont go 💔

[fresh flower]

NOOOOO NIT RELIGION STILL

[slender coral]

What I thought of for real 😭

[uncut tiger]

religion and politics are the only serious topics

[slender coral]

You guys keep complaining without giving an alternative

[swift crest]

I don't even know what to argue for.
It's so baseless

[uncut tiger]

everything else is shits and giggles

[fresh flower]

Literally ANYTHING vro💀

[slender coral]

Just ignore her dude. She would throw accusations of dishonesty at the end of it and leave it there.

[shell hemlock]

you cannot read ? let me make it simple for you, people with government control reinforce laws of what they think is the interpretation of islam, it’s very obvious in countries like iran or afghanistan that claim they are practicing islam when they are stripping away basic human rights, which that itself already contradicts what islam teaches.

[swift crest]

Alright

[fresh flower]

Yall NOT talking about how

• The US is staging for a war with Venezuela
• Hurricane Melissa
• What China discussed in their CCP meeting

[turbid ivy]

Ok.. no proofs, right.. The question i would ask you is that, how do you know it's the truth?

[swift crest]

😭😭😭🙏🙏

[white birch]

What kind of political and social power you're talking about? And how would that solve the problem?
A while ago, a brother killed his sister in a horrible way, her own mother stood with her son and claimed her daughter committed suicide.
My point is, we have women in political positions but this didn't change our reality because the damage is within the system.

[cedar oar]

Well, Vale, we're here

[vapid hare]

alas we have arrived

[shell hemlock]

imagine not be able to debate with me and telling people to dismiss what i say… how interesting, but not so far fetched from the characteristics of an ex-muslim

[swift crest]

Ok bro ok 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[cursive sphinx]

Bro I'm giving an example
You see someone who knows the truth but he keeps denying it
What you think about him

[cedar oar]

Compelled by that utter boredom of having to wait for you darned wifi to work

[vapid hare]

as if Trump would be stupid enough to do a forever war in venezuela of all places

[vapid hare]

not my fault, blame uh the bureaucrats

[fresh flower]

Yes, he quite literally is

[cedar oar]

Wooden pole technology, I tell you!

[vapid hare]

tbf good point

hes a dumb absolute monarch

[uncut tiger]

so it all trickles down to religion and politics

[vapid hare]

I have researched metal big poles mind you