🧠｜serious-chat

[wraith vine]

play sekiro i recently finished

[bold owl]

I can imagine being overwhelmed only by the university books on their own .

[high rapids]

I spend about 6-8 hours or more every day in the university library reading and studying.

[high rapids]

On Saturdays, I also go to the university library to study.

[bold owl]

I have almost gone through half of dark souls one remastered and it was not a good experiense at all . but maybe i will consider playing Sekiro giving the fact that it is also from fromsoft . but i have heard that it is even harder than DS1

If you have the time consider reading it, it is so well written , educational and entertaining at the same time .

[high rapids]

Well, it's okay.

[bold owl]

I can see you barely have any time to do other stuff good for you , what is your major ?

[high rapids]

Economics and Business Administration

[bold owl]

ohhhhh that is interesting so in other words you want to become a millionaire ??

[high rapids]

I want to go into management consulting.

[bold owl]

and how is university so far ?? do you like what you study ??

[high rapids]

I like it, can't complain.

[bold owl]

It is essential to be passionate about what you study, good for you .

[winter echo]

You mentioned it but, I didn't read it yet

[high rapids]

You don't necessarily have to be as enthusiastic as I am you can also just take it "easy" and somehow get through your studies.

[winter echo]

Hahaha 😂

[crystal kayak]

@turbid ivy only 5hrs today are you sick

[high rapids]

@bold owl @winter echo Is a millionaire he owns oil companies.

[winter echo]

Humans can be very stubborn, they were warned repeatedly in prior episodes not to kill those cattles.
All the warnings fell on deaf ears

[torpid dirge]

That's spirit but what about mental health people

[bold owl]

I agree

[high rapids]

Since I have suffered from it myself, I can only say that it is what it is?

[torpid dirge]

What have you been suffered?

Clinical depression?

[high rapids]

from mental health issues

[torpid dirge]

Because it's has been 3 yrs to be like that can't Even do small work

[bold owl]

Is he from the Arabian gulf ??

[high rapids]

Yes

[bold owl]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-oil-gif-1490590963367136282

[torpid dirge]

I think that mental health Makes hard even small things to deal with

You can't get out of your bed

[crystal kayak]

[torpid dirge]

It's just fcking miserable life

[high rapids]

idc

[crystal kayak]

??

[high rapids]

You're right. But it depends on how you deal with it and how quickly you work on it and get it under control and get well again.

[torpid dirge]

It has been to late to get back to it dude

[high rapids]

Take a screenshot, make a note of it—do you really think I'm interested in that?

[torpid dirge]

He doesn't care if you do care

[crystal kayak]

Interested in what

[shell hemlock]

salamualaikum @crystal kayak

ayeee

[crystal kayak]

Are you insecure or what

I am not making fun of you

[torpid dirge]

It's assalamualaikum though not Salam alaykum

[crystal kayak]

Wa alaikum assalam lils how are you doing

[torpid dirge]

Yeah but not about you

[shell hemlock]

it's the short term

[shell hemlock]

alhamdulila, u ?

[crystal kayak]

Are you depressed

[winter echo]

Woah, I gotta befriend him

[high rapids]

It's never too late to get something under control.

[high rapids]

HAHAHAHA

[winter echo]

So Lily how do you find doing prayers, are they easy?

[torpid dirge]

No it's not short term is assalamualaikum and if you want to say it completely so it would be assalamualaikum warahmatullah wabarakatuhu as well, just wanted to let you know sorry

[crystal kayak]

Just as usual having a blast

[torpid dirge]

Yeah kind of but it's more like metaphorical

[crystal kayak]

Please expand on this more I don't understand

[torpid dirge]

You can't understand others instincts about their mental health

[shell hemlock]

yeah i can recite without reading off paper completely now subhanAllah

[shell hemlock]

it's to shorten when we text, relax

[silk hull]

Hiii, I'm looking for a study partner to pass the TOEFL ITP at a B2 level, if anyone is also interested, please send a request

[torpid dirge]

It's just to hard to explain for what I'm going through

[torpid dirge]

@crystal kayak

[wind bramble]

ohh iam so happy for y wallah btw were u non muslim??

[winter echo]

I'm happy for you 😁

[torpid dirge]

Okay

[wind bramble]

like the quran tag beside ur name ❤

[crystal kayak]

If you are depressed go for a run in the woods it so nice and relaxing

[shell hemlock]

yes i'm a revert 😁

[fresh flower]

Convert*

[shell hemlock]

i am practicing really hard in arabic bc i don't trust most translations of the quran and hadiths nowadays

[torpid dirge]

It's not that easy bruh

[fresh flower]

It is

[wind bramble]

the best thing i have heard today

[torpid dirge]

How Long you been a muslim?

[fresh flower]

Depression is a choice

[crystal kayak]

Do you live in a large city and I Know it is not that easy but it helps

[torpid dirge]

For who never experienced it

[shell hemlock]

it's been over a month

[wind bramble]

if u have any questions i could help u with that and maybe find u a translation if u want

[fresh flower]

Ask yourself why Africans in the poorest of poor villages aren't depressed despite having nothing with no prospects of anything

[winter echo]

Just don't go crying to a therapist

[torpid dirge]

May Allah bless you with his mercy and grace so how old are you btw ?

[shell hemlock]

yes i will ping u and ask u tysm

[cerulean pivot]

Just see a doctor and take your meds regularly
You'll be more than fine inshallah

[cerulean pivot]

They don't have time for ts

[crystal kayak]

Because their understand life

[torpid dirge]

Psychologists are too expensive to afford here and i don't have much financial stability yet

[shell hemlock]

i'm older than 18 i don't wanna be more specific

i did say my age before tho

[high rapids]

hello

[fresh flower]

Lily is 32

[cerulean pivot]

Ohh
Same

Try to start a meme page and live with it

[fresh flower]

😭😭😭

Get into Chuds if you're depressed

[shell hemlock]

hi

[winter echo]

I have a question regarding destiny, I'm not sure if you can answer though

[fresh flower]

Soyjaks too for that matter

[shell hemlock]

you not so far off

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah
Blackpill and shi

[high rapids]

How are you?

[crystal kayak]

I thought you were 20

[verbal torrent]

Most of em religious people and they believe that when they are grateful for everything they have (even if its only a slice of bread)God will grant them a wonderful life in heaven bcz of their patience
So tha provides them with motivation to live IN MY OPINION

[fresh flower]

Wait wtf are you fr💀

[cloud kestrel]

35

[cerulean pivot]

One day you'll leave this depression

[torpid dirge]

You are way more mature then have you ever tried to contact Qur'anic teacher? I would suggest that if you are really struggling

[fresh flower]

That's how it should be tbh, meanwhile people with everything act like they have nothing

[shell hemlock]

bruh

[cloud kestrel]

Was it correct

[shell hemlock]

good tho hby

[shell hemlock]

no

[fresh flower]

She said not far off to 38, so she might be 42

[torpid dirge]

What bro really joking shit ?

[cerulean pivot]

Keep the numbers higher

[wind bramble]

what is it, if i do know it imma answer it!!? wait ur a muslim

[shell hemlock]

i've only done my own research but i have been in contact with imams yea, i don't ask many questions

[cerulean pivot]

No fr
Trying to entertain people can bring you happiness

[shell hemlock]

"i'm 32 so basically that's 35 which basically means 40 which sums up to 50"

[bold owl]

How do you feel about reciting some evil verses in the Koran which order Muslims to beat their wife if she didn't want to have sex. This is a thing that i can't get my head around it, especially when females tend to be the most faithful amongst Muslims . note that i am an ex muslim

[high rapids]

I'm glad to hear that, I´m doing well thanks

[winter echo]

You captured it perfectly

[torpid dirge]

You should but because arebic language is way too hard to memorise and pronounce especially from Qur'an because it's too ancient scriptures

[crystal kayak]

Have you ever Tried running in the woods when it is pouring and cold omg I can't describe the feeling

[winter echo]

Where did you hear that?

[wraith vine]

its okays in my opinion

[cerulean pivot]

Ts looks amazing im jealous

[crystal kayak]

No headphones on or music just the sound of rain falling on the leaves and ground no need for therapy

[verbal torrent]

Both wrong
"That's how it should be" sounds wrong to me wanting people to be grateful even for the bad conditions they have is completely deceiving them with empty “ promises”and making thm believe thy gonna have the eternal life in heaven
While you live in better conditions than them
Fr exmpl you take their bread and to keep him quiet and grateful you give him a 3/1 of it he is happy with that thinking that after he dies eternal happiness waits him blah blah

[winter echo]

Wtf are you talking about bro?
Quran is very easy to memorize.
In my country there's many
7 yos who memorized the entire Quran

[crystal kayak]

Interesting why did you leave islam

[torpid dirge]

It's too easy to make fun of depression when you haven't got one

[coral belfry]

i have memorized many chapters
but i haven't finished them all yet

[cerulean pivot]

Holy shit I'm not making fun of anything

Shut up dude

I'm just trying to help

[shell hemlock]

this is my opinion not just about this kinda verses but towards other verses that can be misinterpreted, with verses like this you can't make a bold statement that the quran is inciting violence or evil like u said from specific verses that are cherry picked to oppose islam, what i do is research about it and study what it means, i believe everything that is written in the quran has a reason for it to be there just like everything that happens in my life or our lives, i'm not a scholar but you can look up urselve what they say about such verses 😁

[high raven]

Ommodak for trying to help someone on discord, huge mistake

[cerulean pivot]

Fr fr my bad

[shell hemlock]

you are right arabic is very hard, but i studied mandarin and that was harder for me lol

[coral belfry]

but also i know many 10-7 year olds that have memorized all the chapters

[crystal kayak]

I told him to go for a run in the woods I handed the cure for depression to him

[west moth]

Heyyyy

[high raven]

😭😭😭

[west moth]

What r u guys talking about?

[high raven]

Love the profile picture

[cerulean pivot]

البقرة الضاحكة

Ancient food

[bold owl]

https://myislam.org/surah-an-nisa/ayat-34/ you can see it here and by the way a lot of sites in English are changing the word beat to discipline which is far from the truth . Arabic is my mother's tongue, and I assure you that the meaning of the word in Arabic is to beat your wife .

[shell hemlock]

i love the cheese bro

[high raven]

I don't know if it's a cure but that definitely clears your mind of thoughts, I used to run after it rained here just for the smell

[shell hemlock]

i used to eat it by itself

😭

[high raven]

It's actually amazing😭

[west moth]

What about it?

[cerulean pivot]

Without bread

[torpid dirge]

There's far different between revert muslim memorization and generational muslim for instance I'm a generation muslim so i have been programmed to arebic language since I was a 9 so it's too Easy for me to get track on it but for revert who hasn't programmed it yet would be hard to interernlize it

[high raven]

We all love that cheese

[shell hemlock]

yeah i ate it plain without butter or anything

[west moth]

Never ate it tbh 😂

[shell hemlock]

butter ??? bread

[cerulean pivot]

Cheesiest taste ever

[bold owl]

Because of the evil Quranic verses

[cerulean pivot]

Traitor

[torpid dirge]

Where are you from ?

[coral belfry]

i remember an elementary schooler called ahmed
who have memorized the Quran

[winter echo]

That's a good idea, following religion blindly Is pointless.
You might use the help of audio quran from people like sheik shuraim
You can find them in play store

[shell hemlock]

and halal

[shell hemlock]

cambodia

[cerulean pivot]

So We'll still be going

Bro خلاص

[coral belfry]

okey

[cerulean pivot]

Sorry i feel bad

Continue

[west moth]

Sooo what r u guys talking aboutt??

[shell hemlock]

i believe quranic verses sounds more beautiful when you understand arabic

[cerulean pivot]

You bbg

[crystal kayak]

Finally someone who gets it😭😭 it is so beautiful

[coral belfry]

its okey
i have already finished talking

[west moth]

What is bbg? 😅

[crystal kayak]

Did you even study Islam to justify this hate or

[bold owl]

islam makes a big claim which is : every word in the quran is written by the all known god so there shouldn't be any evil verse and we should as the prophet orders us to obey each and every rule in the quran including this obvious order to beat your wife . soo i think what you are doing is the cherry picking .

[shell hemlock]

i want to ask you regarding leaving islam, did you leave islam due to how you feel or bc you don't believe in it ?

[winter echo]

What did the prophet said about that?

[torpid dirge]

Good and it's pleasure to have you as revert muslim may Allah forgive your past sins and blessed you with his mercy and don't focus on others bullshit

[analog hound]

Exactly
Another hybris from people

[winter echo]

You should read the prophet's explanation on that

[bold owl]

I left because of these kinds of verses https://quran.com/al-maidah/33 it is obvious that these kinds of verses in the Quran site violence against people in a barbaric ISISy way I'd say .

[high raven]

It really is, even more so during winter. Even before it actually, when the mornings get cold enough and you see dense dew all across the grass fields

[shell hemlock]

this is prophet muhammad (pbuh) last sermon:

"O People it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well never to be unchaste."

"treat your women well and be kind to them" he says, so i don't believe that the quran ordered us to beat our wives, you may have misinterpreted the verse yourself

[winter echo]

In summary most of the tribulations they encountered on the journey were because of the curse that cyclops father puts on odysseus and their stubborness?

[high raven]

It looks like this for reference

[analog hound]

Exactly

[shell hemlock]

ameen

[bold owl]

Believe me I speak Arabic, and they don't sound good specially when they get to the part of ordering the crucifixion of non-Muslim people

[winter echo]

I'm not sure about that, personally I don't know much arabic but they are verses from the quran that listening to them is very pleasant to the ears and just draw you in

[shell hemlock]

this is both contexts together

[shell hemlock]

i like listening to recitation of the quran

[fresh flower]

Halal chat🙏🏻

[winter echo]

Is that the end of the story?

[bold owl]

Actually a lot of verses make it clear that the whole intention is to torture non Muslims (like this verse https://quran.com/al-maidah/33) so I don't think we need any further explanation

[torpid dirge]

That's why allah has obligated islamic knowledge because few people misinterpreted them just for escalating hate towards Islam

[analog hound]

No, obviously not.
Since Tiresias told Odysseus that he would return to Ithaca 🤗

[winter echo]

Is that what the tafseer said?

[winter echo]

Continue

[torpid dirge]

Shut the fck up you shit Head have you ever read Qur'an? Whole ? And do you have any specific interpretation about your statement apart from your shitty google search tab ?

[high rapids]

calm down

[winter echo]

Go and study islam extensively

[fresh flower]

Yoooo chill

[winter echo]

Don't mind him

[bold owl]

That doesn't change the obvious order of torturing the prophet's enemies in a barbaric way under god's orders and wisdom . so when you think about it we should accept this order to the degree where we accept the acts of ISIS in the 21t century because they are compatible with god's sayings .

[analog hound]

So, we said that this is how Odysseus ended up on Calypso's island. Then, if you remember correctly, after staying on the island for seven years, by decision of the gods, he built a raft, escaped from the island, and found himself on the island of the Phaeacians, where he met Nausicaa and began to tell his story in the palace

[winter echo]

Give me an instance where the prophet Is cruel to anyone, or even suggested it

[torpid dirge]

Had you been there to witness that ? Why don't you fck yourself and get some job rather than seeking attention for showing your own shitty life and insecurity

[bold owl]

To be clear I don't have any problem with any moderate Muslim, all of my close friends are Muslims. I am against the idea of basing your whole moral code as a 21t century human being on the Quranic verses

[fresh flower]

Relax bro 💀

[turbid dome]

He said kids can be taken care of by hell

[winter echo]

Your source?

[analog hound]

@winter echo
The next rhapsody begins on the island of the Phaeacians, where Odysseus has finished recounting his adventures. The Phaeacians, moved and amazed by his wisdom, decide to help him return home. They give him valuable gifts and put him on a well-built ship. While he sleeps deeply, the ship travels so fast and smoothly that not even the waves are disturbed.
At dawn, the ship arrives at Ithaca. The sailors leave Odysseus asleep on the shore, along with his treasures, and depart. When he wakes up, he does not recognize his homeland; Athena has covered the landscape with fog to protect him and test him. Odysseus stands there in shock, thinking he has arrived in a foreign country.
Then Athena appears to him, transformed into a shepherdess. Through a dialogue, the goddess reveals herself and explains that he is indeed in Ithaca. She transforms him into an old beggar so that he can enter his palace unrecognized, since inside the palace are the suitors, the 40 men who are squandering his property and want to take his throne and his wife. The men who had planned to kill his son, but they didn't make it

[bold owl]

yes you can look it up by yourself . I am saying this under the assumption that you speak arabic

[crystal kayak]

Don't forget the wildlife🥹

[torpid dirge]

What tf kind of morality are you talking about? Just like your subjective misinterpreted statment which is not true 1 % and i dare you give something solid not this kind of bullshit google translate

[shell hemlock]

from my experience (coming across few ex muslims), usually they ‘left’ under these reasons:

1. they feel like Allah rejected them (which i don’t believe)
2. rejecting the truth
3. they wanna drink alcohol, have girlfriends and/or have intercourse freely, skip prayers, do things that Allah tells us to avoid

all the reasons they state are coming out of their own rejection of God because God never rejected them, idk i feel like their iman is still there may Allah guide them

[fresh flower]

You forgot the biggest reason bro

Their parents beat the shit out of them

[bold owl]

why so serious my friend, i make it clear that i don't have any problem with you . Why did you become so violent all of a sudden ?? Calm down, we are having an argument here so stay respectful I'd say .

[strong socket]

hi guys

[turbid dome]

https://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Enemies/uqba.html

[shell hemlock]

and the more u tell someone not to do smth, makes them want to do it more

[tiny apex]

Is this the odyssey I love that story

[bold owl]

i have been doing this for more than a year now, and I am pretty convinced that my statement is true .

[strong socket]

Guys could u follow on my streaming not sub just following i am seriously

[turbid dome]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badr

that’s an account from after this battle

[shell hemlock]

i don’t see any obvious order of torturing… if anything, i believe the believers were tortured more themselves, since you are ex muslim i’m sure you know the story of how prophet muhammad pbuh freed believers from torture by disbelievers

[tiny apex]

Why are there horses in the water

[winter echo]

Before any ismaphobe start spurting nonsense I urge you to go and read mercy prophet by
Saudi author, Shaykh Abd al-Rahman ibn Abd al-Karim al-Sheha.

[turbid dome]

Don’t worry about the art 😭

[winter echo]

Did you just say a year?

[turbid dome]

Bingo

[bold owl]

I think marrying a six-year-old girl wasn't the most friendly thing to do as a role model

[shell hemlock]

anyway we should have* civil debate not insulting

[crystal kayak]

Yooo

[turbid dome]

I disagree with and dislike religion as a whole but I only will have a personal issue when it’s the basis for all of people’s politics and values

[winter echo]

Torturing in islam?

[high rapids]

HAHAHAHHAA

[tiny apex]

Hey zazu what’s up

[tiny apex]

Was it really that funny

[turbid dome]

In effect, the output

[high rapids]

yes

[crystal kayak]

So you comparing now and the 7th century you are quite The character

[winter echo]

Is that what you're resorting to?

[high rapids]

It´s weekend, can you guys chill

[torpid dirge]

On the the other hand Islam is way more kindness than strictness ik it has some obligations which must be follow in order to be better muslim but even though islam doesn't force you to do something it doesn't pushes you into punishment if you got sinned and moreover the more you know about islam the more you get towards to truth of it eventually

[turbid dome]

I think it’s a fair criticism

[tiny apex]

Isn’t religion supposed to be a part of the daily lifestyle though like how you think what you do stuff like that

[winter echo]

None among is a valid reason tbh

[torpid dirge]

How old to be considered marriage of any gender?

[shell hemlock]

during the time when prophet muhammad pbuh was in mecca, his believers were tortured and killed so they had to run away to medina

[torpid dirge]

In any country?

[crystal kayak]

Yesterday I almost bought a goat dude but unlucky the place where the goat were sold closed early

[turbid dome]

Yeah it is. That’s the issue. There’s certainly some people who don’t bring it into everything though

[tiny apex]

20 I think

[winter echo]

I don't speak arabic

[turbid dome]

Legally 18 but realistically not until your 20’s should it be a thing

[analog hound]

Yes it is!!!
I am Greek and Abdul has asked me to narrate it for him
We are in the 13th rhapsody

[tiny apex]

Goat to keep or goat to eat?

[high rapids]

This is better than the movies, folks. Get your popcorn.

[torpid dirge]

And what do you think in ancient times how old for anyone should get married especially in arebic slevery countries?

[tiny apex]

Interesting have you read both of homers stories? In mythology we read the odyssey and watched a video about the Iliad

[shell hemlock]

i don’t have any issue with following the obligations, only shaytan and jinns would tell me that i should object these obligations, angels will protect me and Allah will forgive me

[bold owl]

this is not google translate i am just writting down my thougts but you seem so fragile to take this statmetnt by itself

[tiny apex]

I think marriage depended on lifespan at that point which is why people got married younger

[high rapids]

Could you continue this conversation in a voice channel? I'd love to listen in.

[winter echo]

Hahaha
You couldn't find any authentic hadith to back it up

[high rapids]

Could you continue this conversation in a voice channel? I'd love to listen in.??!?!??!

[analog hound]

Yes
We study both at school, in junior high school, first and second grade
But I like our mythology in general so I read it by myself too
That's very nice!
Where are you from?

[shell hemlock]

they never left islam, they are just misguided

[turbid dome]

Hadiths aren’t the only source of history 😭

[tiny apex]

Greece does have a lot of rich history I’m in the US right now though but how is Greece?

[winter echo]

No his tone is the problem

[shell hemlock]

it is a reliable source if you are trying to debate with muslims since we base off that more than we do with online info like wikipedia

[crystal kayak]

To eat,I also had a pet goat once we ate him🤣

[high rapids]

HAHAHAHAHHAA

[shell hemlock]

i don’t know what you guys are talking about but yea

[bold owl]

i really appreciate your worryings, you seem like a good person. Again I was not trying to be hatfull i was just making a statement

[tiny apex]

But goats are so nice 😭 if you get the chance you should just keep it as pet

[bold owl]

the whole point of this is to improve my writing skills and to have a conversation with you guys

[winter echo]

That was done by the unbelievers of makkah

[high rapids]

Didn't you find it funny?

[analog hound]

Nice 😌
The situation is better now than the previous years but still many people live to find better opportunities

[shell hemlock]

i know you are not being hateful, you are just confused which happens, may Allah guide u 😁🫂

[winter echo]

May Allah bring them to the right path

[torpid dirge]

I'm talking about circumstancial for instance in ancient arebic region people got early puberty than currently that's the basic reason and you talking about sexual relationship with her so he had not been with him until she Fully get prepared for that

[crystal kayak]

Goats are really not my kind of pet,I like pets that hunt and kill that is why I have a wild cat

[winter echo]

Shhhh

[shell hemlock]

correcto they were also being forced to worship idols but the early muslims were very strong believers even when they were being tortured and killed for believing islam they never left

[tiny apex]

I didn’t I met just marriage but the takeaway here is that people got married younger thousands of years ago but it isn’t okay now that’s it

[winter echo]

He has no idea what he's talking about

[tiny apex]

Do you have a picture of the cat??

[torpid dirge]

Bro wtf were you talking about? Just listen to yourself get some research on it you are just sounds one of those shitty people

[torpid dirge]

@bold owl

[crystal kayak]

Nope I don't have picture of it and I also didn't name it 🤣

[torpid dirge]

Indeed he will be but don't get distracted for blind faith people

[bold owl]

try and read the verse. the verse says that the people who fight against the prophet Mohamad will be crucified, and their hands will be cut sooo you don't see any torture in this at all ??

[winter echo]

They have a very strong faith, I couldn't imagine the hardships they went through and still refused to yield

[tiny apex]

You better give that cat a name zazu

[bold owl]

I don't trust any of these clergymen at all i only trust myself, so this is why i decided to read the Quran by myself and i really advise anyone who feels skeptical about his faith to do the same thing by THEIR OWN

[shell hemlock]

i think the lifespan back then was shorter bc ppl weren’t immune to the diseases that we got now, among other health problems like malnutrition n stuff that they didn’t have medicine or a cure for

also they were very very poor back then

[high rapids]

@tiny apex Why you ignore me;(

[tiny apex]

Didn’t notice it and no I didn’t find it funny

[bold owl]

a year is more than enough to reject violence against non Muslim people . and to come to the conclusion that this holy book is not holy at all

[winter echo]

Plus before she married the prophet she was engaged with certain young man.
For some reason the wedding fell through.
I don't know why people keep ignoring that

[shell hemlock]

i read that verse (with the contexts) that the disbelievers and prophet muhammad pbuh were already at war n in battle with each other while this verse was revealed, if someone is at war/in battle there are physical fights like swords involved, stabbing, etc… if these things were done to me i would defend myself

[dry wigeon]

One more comment, this verse is just translated wrongly to begin with
In Arabic, او means "or"
Which they didn't write in the English translation, they used commas instead which is why the guy is saying that "there's an order of torture"

These are just various levels of punishments based on the level of crime commited

[winter echo]

Do you know what the quran said about violence?
Quran is the only Scripture which said killing a single person is like killing the entire human race

[high rapids]

Oh okay good to know!

[bold owl]

Thank you for making this clear

[dry wigeon]

Y'all gotta learn more arabic

[high rapids]

rejected

[crystal kayak]

It is better this way,cats are to majestic to be named

[bold owl]

I agree with you one hundred percent

[dry wigeon]

To the muslims, that is

[high rapids]

ok

https://tenor.com/view/fahads-fahadz-serious-report-gif-15931896867289264115

[shell hemlock]

i really admire their faith, even during them living as pilgrims they still pray and fast, they endured more than i could tbh

[fresh flower]

True story btw not AI

[dry wigeon]

I blame zenax

[fresh flower]

💀💀💀

[high rapids]

He is arabic i knew it! (Thats´s a joke)

[bold owl]

yes the whole idea of islam is to take the prohpet mohamad as a role model, do you disagree with this ??

[winter echo]

Fun fact
Consent age was 7 to 12 just 200 years ago
Why do people enjoy applying double standard?

[dry wigeon]

Those iraqis used scorched earth strategies, 100% his fault

[crystal kayak]

@tiny apex goodnight I am actually taking your advise of sleeping early it sucks

[torpid dirge]

The fair answer is " lack of knowledge and objectivity" becoz they didn't leave Islam themselves rather they had to becouse of half knowledge and blind faith

[shell hemlock]

arabic confuses me

[turbid dome]

There’s a reason historical works exist. Hadiths do not capture all of history, though on looking it seems there is one to support this.

The information on my specific claim for example is from a book by an Islamic Art scholar at Harvard, Eric Shroeder.

[fresh flower]

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar
Ashhadu an la ilaha illallah, Ashhadu an la ilaha illallah
Ashhadu anna Muhammadar rasulullah, Ashhadu anna Muhammadar rasulullah
Hayya 'alas salah, Hayya 'alas salah
Hayya 'alal falah, Hayya 'alal falah
Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar
La ilaha illallah English translation.

[shell hemlock]

they can say they left but they can’t say the quran is not true

[tiny apex]

Wow for the first time in forever good night zazu

[dry wigeon]

It doesn't say "and"
"And" in Arabic is و
The original text says "او" which translates to "or" in English
The text is mistranslated with commas instead of inserting the word for clarity
These are various punishments for different levels of crime

[fresh flower]

He's awake

Wrap it up the lowlife is here

[winter echo]

@torpid dirge just find this

[dry wigeon]

Not confusing
Just bad translation
And is و
Or is او

[turbid dome]

Who

[torpid dirge]

@bold owl if you were really worry about prophets marriage or other things you should have got more into it aside being a muslim rather than critisise it

[fresh flower]

@turbid ivy Nobu

[tiny apex]

Really embarrassing way to find a mine

[tiny apex]

Don’t summon him don’t do it

[fresh flower]

He's here already bro

[turbid dome]

There’s no double standard, as I don’t endorse it and say it was good or in any way look up to someone who did that. It’s not like I’m talking about how Charlemagne is the GOAT

[turbid dome]

Oh no, not “it”

[fresh flower]

This how I be feeling

[tiny apex]

Why is your head a flower pot

[fresh flower]

He's a pothead bro ahahahaha got it

[torpid dirge]

And what was age of her when she got married with prophet?

[high rapids]

Its time to invade middle east

[fresh flower]

No thanks

[turbid dome]

How about no (unless you mean Israel)

[dry wigeon]

@fresh flower I'm telling you bro, I can SMELL it

[fresh flower]

Wait wym invade the middle east

[bold owl]

Do you believe in wikipedia ?? If you don't tell me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#:~:text=Apostasy from Islam is considered,repent and return to Islam.

[winter echo]

6 to 9

[tiny apex]

@cerulean pivot they’re coming for you

[high rapids]

Hmm, if we attack Israel, it could look like anti-Semitism, but if we go to Afghanistan, we could say “war on terrorism.”

[shell hemlock]

i said if you are trying to debate with muslims, sourcing from the quran or hadith makes it a stronger claim than it is with wikipedia

[cerulean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/k-on-finger-point-yui-gif-5231586054704884072

[turbid ivy]

Sure

[crystal kayak]

I thought you are smarter than this yes the prophet is role model for us but we follow his morals not the customs of the 7th century arabs

[turbid dome]

Well yeah, but my point is just because you believe something is better evidence doesn’t make it better evidence unless there’s objective backing

[high rapids]

@cerulean pivot You can fly to Austria and hide here.

[winter echo]

Imagine debating religion With someone bringing wikipedia as his source 😭

[turbid ivy]

[tiny apex]

oh my god it’s here

[turbid dome]

I also never used Wikipedia 😭

[cerulean pivot]

I don't want to be an immigrant

[high rapids]

After the war, you can go back.

[high raven]

Time to for someone to put in a 10 hour shift of discussing Islam

[turbid dome]

For the record i checked online and its also in Sunan Abu Dawud

[cerulean pivot]

Ahh a Refugee , Which is worse

[tiny apex]

What’s your profile banner from is that cyberpunk

[dry wigeon]

Make that 12, numbers have to be pumped up

[high rapids]

ok ok sorry

[turbid dome]

Have to get engagement going up

[cerulean pivot]

Are you fr

[high raven]

Mashallah!

[turbid dome]

Like go up and to the right = good

[dry wigeon]

Nobu must be getting paid hourly for his work

[shell hemlock]

it’s objective and that goes both ways, that’s why there’s a belief system that everyone is entitled to have

[tiny apex]

I swear there’s a guy from cyberpunk who looks like one of those people

[cerulean pivot]

Metal gear solid v the phantom pain
How did you mistake this with cp

[winter echo]

So you're condemning your ancestors?

[shell hemlock]

every time i accidentally double click a message it reacts a checkmark😭

[tiny apex]

Too bad he’s getting no pay for 9 hours on vc and no one asked nor wants him to

[cerulean pivot]

Bruh

[dry wigeon]

Inshallah he will finally have his 4 wives after being left constantly

[dry wigeon]

(that's the funny part)

[tiny apex]

Wait I swear I’m not lying hold on

[cerulean pivot]

You mean Johnny silverhand

[turbid dome]

Yeah, they did bad stuff and I think they shouldn’t have done it. I don’t have to idolize them in any way. I don’t hold up the people who did recorded inbreeding in my family as great people and examples to follow.

[tiny apex]

Exactly

[cerulean pivot]

You're probably a reatr dthen

[tiny apex]

Is your pfp Mr Peabody

[cerulean pivot]

They look nothing alike

[tiny apex]

I’m looking at it and it looks like me Peabody

[turbid dome]

No it’s me in a plague dr mask

[bold owl]

the whole point is that the prophet should be the role model . But in modern days you can't do the things that he had done because they are incompatible with our modern laws . their incompatibility is the real issue in my oppinion .

[shell hemlock]

why do you bring cancer to innocent people in this channel

[winter echo]

I don't have the energy to keep arguing with you

[tiny apex]

Oh cool costume then 🔥

[turbid dome]

From Venice, sort of nice

[tiny apex]

[high rapids]

Time to return to Afghanistan

[turbid dome]

There’s the mask

[dry wigeon]

He makes cancer look curable ngl

[dry wigeon]

That's actually really sick, holy

[turbid dome]

Them and Cuba both

[tiny apex]

Looks like someone really enjoys geography too awesome

[dry wigeon]

You lost me there dawg

[shell hemlock]

the thing is what he did is not an order for you to follow, like him marrying multiple wives doesn’t mean you have to do the same

[dry wigeon]

Wondering what the link is between nobu/cancer/cuba

[turbid dome]

Yeah, I’ve been to almost everywhere we have a book on there, though some of them were my dad’s back before I was born. It’s super awesome.

[shell hemlock]

@fresh flower you are to blame for this

[turbid dome]

Cuba has a lung cancer vaccine that makes it easier to fight, highly effective, not on the US market

[cerulean pivot]

Cuban Cigarettes

[dry wigeon]

Atleast we have hope to cure cancer, even if it means a man is incurable!

[dry wigeon]

Ooo fair, thanks

[turbid dome]

Pretty much so Cubans can smoke more I bet

[cerulean pivot]

Modern problems require modern solutions

[winter echo]

Sounds like the story is ending soon.
So what happened next?

[high rapids]

Where are you from?

[tiny apex]

Illegal in the US too

[cerulean pivot]

Eye rack

[high rapids]

?

[turbid dome]

What?

[bold owl]

So the question is : is it moral in our days to crucify people because they were our captives ?? even in battle under the UN laws you must respect your captives and obviously you mustn't crucify them and cut their hands. so we come to the conclusion that we can't take the prophets as a role model but at the same time as a muslim you are obligated to do so . this is the part where i say this doesn't seem to make any sense

[tiny apex]

Cuban cigars are illegal in the us

[cerulean pivot]

You can't read or what

[cerulean pivot]

What

[turbid dome]

So addictive you would move to Cuba to get them 😭

[dry wigeon]

I love eye rack, we invaded eye rack a couple years ago when shouldn't have, such lovely people there in eye rack

[turbid dome]

Embargo and sanctions go crazy

[high rapids]

You should perhaps be even more unfriendly, then I'll definitely understand.

[tiny apex]

Apparently they are but not because of how bad they are for your lungs

[shell hemlock]

i’m very empathetic and even i have no pity for it

[cerulean pivot]

Sorry mr.white guy

[dry wigeon]

Same here, lost all hope in the poor soul a few days ago

[high rapids]

Why are you mad now?

[cerulean pivot]

Me ?
Mad ?

[turbid dome]

Why is it not banned

[high rapids]

yes

[tiny apex]

Petition to rename this chat ragebait and every phobia chat

[dry wigeon]

It? Him?

[winter echo]

Before you start talking nonsense, I'd like to inform that all the so called rights and justice the UN claim to uphold were derived from islam

[dry wigeon]

"Omniphobic ragebait"

[turbid dome]

it

[bold owl]

I agree with you on this, there are some verses that condemn the killing of innocent people but on the other hand you have verses like this https://quran.com/at-tawbah/29 and Muslims tend to cherry-pick which verses they like the most and ignore the others

[turbid dome]

Nobu

[turbid ivy]

🤔

[dry wigeon]

I get you, you mean zwingli

[tiny apex]

What even is Zenax

[winter echo]

Sorry?

[cerulean pivot]

Drug

[tiny apex]

You summoned him

[turbid dome]

Nobu

[turbid dome]

Oh nooooo

[high rapids]

“Why nobody likes us”

[supple atlas]

Whats this serious chat about?

[dry wigeon]

zwingli was one of his 50 names

[tiny apex]

Panic disorder medication wow

[dry wigeon]

Serious racism, nothing else

[cerulean pivot]

You don't have to

[winter echo]

You're hopeless

[supple atlas]

Damn.

[turbid dome]

Oh

[turbid ivy]

Explain

[tiny apex]

People who take themselves too seriously as well

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah
Fabulous
I've randomly made up the name btw never heard of the drug at that time

[dry wigeon]

Mhmmmmmmmmm true, but it's mostly *insert discrimination here*

[winter echo]

We debated on that yesterday for several hours but you're still fixated on that

[high rapids]

Why are you so angry? Are you looking for a 6-year-old child to marry?

[cerulean pivot]

Do you have some

[turbid ivy]

Yesterday I was not here...

[cerulean pivot]

Are you fucking serious

[tiny apex]

I didn’t even make the connection until that came up

[high rapids]

No

[bold owl]

Of course as modern human beings we reject a lot of the things that we did in the past, and we condemn them, take slavery as an example . But on the other hand muslims say that these rules were written in the quran by Allah and they are not to be changed at all this is the problem . so you can't compare the two of them

[dry wigeon]

Call him an escalator they way he's escalating nothing

[tiny apex]

Don’t fall for the ragebait Zenax

[dry wigeon]

Fred is catching up to messages from 30 minutes ago, respect to fred but DAMN😭

[winter echo]

Read it again
Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax,2 willingly submitting, fully humbled.

[cerulean pivot]

• I'm keeping it vertical forever elevator.
  Riding the escalator to reach something that is greater

Nujabes , feather

[dry wigeon]

You don't have to tell him to read again, you just have to tell him to read the footnotes

[fallow shard]

[bold owl]

But when you think about, the all mighty god could have done the opposite, but why didn't he? I think we should blame god here because based no Islam it seems you have no free will and all your life is orchestrated by Allah

[tiny apex]

Hi duck

[dry wigeon]

Can I escalate to you🥹

[fallow shard]

Heoo, how r things here

[winter echo]

😂😂

[tiny apex]

Just the regular nonsense here but how are you been a while

[dry wigeon]

They're even highlighted in blue on the website! 😂

[cerulean pivot]

I think I know you

[shell hemlock]

what do you think a ‘role model’ means ?

to me, we are obligated to obey him, it doesn’t necessarily mean i have to follow literally everything he did, even prophet muhammad pbuh (and prophets before him) made mistakes, the early muslims made mistakes, he is not a perfect being he is just a man as he said himself, you can say some people admire him if that’s what u mean, i admire him for how much he’s endured to establish islam among other things

[dry wigeon]

Finally, the northerner is figuring it out

[torpid dirge]

So that was morally and traditionally good for that time but in modern Times we can't do that becoz it's fairly illegal or biologically unreliable to get puberty in earlier age and it's objective reason behind of modern times to get married at 20 or more than it but here's the time did prophet claim to not get married if you aren't 9 yrs old ? Is there any hadith, Qur'anic verse interprets about get married at earliest age ? Even though marriage in Islam considered to as sunnah not obligated ( if you don't want to get married so you will not be punish for that ) so where did these guys get logic from

[tiny apex]

That’s Roger obviously

[cerulean pivot]

I'm not a

[cerulean pivot]

Who's Roger

[dry wigeon]

Where are you north of...

[tiny apex]

A friend of Joe

[cerulean pivot]

It's like saying
This is the inventor of Roblox
john roblox

[cerulean pivot]

No

[dry wigeon]

Your country is north of which country......

[cerulean pivot]

Ohh

[tiny apex]

I was trying to do something

[dry wigeon]

There!

Khalas

[cerulean pivot]

Are you Shawn ?

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/american-dad-roger-laura-van-der-gif-8266721

This is Roger

[high rapids]

Does he blow himself up at the end?

[dry wigeon]

مايبي أي ام

[high rapids]

write in english i can´t understand arab

[dry wigeon]

That was English 😂

[tiny apex]

Arabic

[winter echo]

I don't understand some of your points

[high rapids]

i don´t care

[cerulean pivot]

Bro just casually changed his name , pfp
And he wants us to figure it out

[dry wigeon]

No, this is an alt account on my phone

The phone which has my main account+authenticator needs to be repaired

[cerulean pivot]

Aha

Get well soon
The phone

[torpid dirge]

Beg my pardon? Might be language barrier i don't have much better english sorry

[bold owl]

you said it in the most perfect way

[winter echo]

Lily did you get this from those sheiks on VC?

[dry wigeon]

أي راك

[shell hemlock]

lol no

[bold owl]

9

[cerulean pivot]

Q8

[dry wigeon]

Why are you up (why am I up)

[tiny apex]

Yes exactly right yes yes yes I understand completely

[bold owl]

It has already been invaded by the internet so this is a good thing .

[dry wigeon]

Eujal itisaal fe waqt alahik

[winter echo]

Can you break the message in to smaller part?

[cerulean pivot]

Somalies can't understand Arabic?

[turbid ivy]

Rizz 🤔

[high rapids]

great

[tiny apex]

Yes exactly right someone had to say it

[bold owl]

Hilarious

[dry wigeon]

African and non arab muslims all know how to read the arabic letters, they don't understand the meaning

[tiny apex]

Some can my parents do but it depends on where your from

[shell hemlock]

i wish i was privileged enough to be born in a muslim family

[bold owl]

liberate me please

[winter echo]

You sure?

[shell hemlock]

i believe some ex muslims take that for granted

[cerulean pivot]

So You're just lazy to learn
New gen

[shell hemlock]

i got it from a different server but i don’t remember which one it was

[torpid dirge]

You are family now for us for muslim community

[high rapids]

I´m sorry i don´t get it

[turbid ivy]

Adopt a Muslim daddy

[dry wigeon]

@cerulean pivot هو صدام

[tiny apex]

[turbid ivy]

[tiny apex]

Absolutely right yes

[cerulean pivot]

No one should take relationship advice from you nobu

[shell hemlock]

true it’s brotherhood and sisterhood in islam that’s beautiful about it

[dry wigeon]

@cerulean pivot 😨😨😨😨

[tiny apex]

Wait what did you say

[cerulean pivot]

نعيم الجهل

[tiny apex]

Let me translate this

[dry wigeon]

"He is Saddam"

[torpid dirge]

Saddan Husain?

[turbid ivy]

Nah kek is that 🤔

[torpid dirge]

Wtf

[bold owl]

But he lived in the 7th century and marrying a nine-year-old girl seems like a 7th century thing to do, what are you talking about !!

[cerulean pivot]

I'm not a Sunni

[tiny apex]

I’m never going to blindly agree with you ever again 😭

[turbid ivy]

[dry wigeon]

نوبو جهل جداً

[shell hemlock]

lmao

[winter echo]

My bad, the sheiks in VC were basically preaching that, so I naturally thought that's where you got it, because you're a regular there 😂

[dry wigeon]

Wait that's wrong

[tiny apex]

Allat who at bar or something like that

[high rapids]

It's an English-speaking Discord server, and you're still writing in Arabic.

[turbid ivy]

Who wanna defend their religion in a vc

[cerulean pivot]

What languages do you know beside English

[wind bramble]

جحيم الجهل عمتاً

[analog hound]

Odysseus, still transformed by Athena into an old beggar, arrives at the hut of Eumaeus, the palace's faithful swineherd. The swineherd does not recognize him, but welcomes him with kindness and generosity, in accordance with the sacred custom of xenia, the sacred hospitality protected by Zeus. He offers him food, wine, and a place by the fire.
Odysseus, to test him, makes up a false story: he says he is Cretan, that he fought in Troy and had many adventures, until he arrived in Ithaca, pursued by fate. Eumaeus listens carefully, unaware that he is in the presence of his own master. The truth remains silent, but faith shines through in action: Eumaeus remains loyal to Odysseus, mourns him, and curses the suitors who are ravaging the palace.

[tiny apex]

Arabs are colonizing this chat

[high rapids]

That's none of your business.

[cerulean pivot]

Calm down Karen
It's just a question

[dry wigeon]

It's lighthearted jokes and you're getting triggered by someone not wanting to tell you where they're from dawg
Loosen up a bit instead of spamming gifs in chat

[shell hemlock]

ohh aam vc, i haven’t been active there recently i just checked to see if anything changed, i heard they’re bringing a muslim woman to be mod to equal it out… i wanted to object then got lazy cuz that’s gonna be one of those ‘feminism’ talks again and i ain’t feminist

[high rapids]

Please cry quietly

[wind bramble]

bro u should have another topic or a life u always talkin about islam with bad way that's an odd rude thing

[winter echo]

Next please

[dry wigeon]

Your job, not mine, no one's crying over you

[torpid dirge]

I fairly means that islam does encourage marriage at large scale but it's still be considered as a sunnah of prophet Muhammad not obligated by it because we can't force any gender to get married in islam so why would Islam encourage such as kind of things?

[tiny apex]

Wait a minute you’re not a feminist 😭 I’m not talking neo feminism but being a feminist as a woman is a good thing

[high rapids]

Whatever you say haha

[dry wigeon]

I'm not even arab 💔

[turbid ivy]

How come

[shell hemlock]

“do muslims eat 30 days” “do ramadan muslims 30 days”

[tiny apex]

Are you translating or do you just know the language

[dry wigeon]

I know a bit, I translate a bit

[wind bramble]

exist

[shell hemlock]

i mean those feminists that are lowk misandrists, i’m not one of those, either way i choose not to be labeled feminist as to not be involved or misunderstood with them

feminism has a different meaning now, it’s unfortunate

[turbid ivy]

[dry wigeon]

I never said hussein by the way! Hahah

[winter echo]

Exactly, but in my opinion marriage is essential

[tiny apex]

Ohh then I understand I was just confused because I thought you meant you were against the movement or something but i understand

[torpid dirge]

That's why I added question mark bro

[wind bramble]

nah iam not gonna go into anoter debate with u kid had enough

[dry wigeon]

Well, it was a joke about the guy anyway, just it's less about the guy itself and more about the joke of someone being compared to him

[analog hound]

At the beginning of the next rhapsody, Athena appears to Telemachus in Sparta and urges him to leave quickly, because the suitors have set an ambush to kill him before he reaches Ithaca. Telemachus obeys. Menelaus and Helen give him rich gifts; Helen even guesses that Odysseus has already returned.
On his way back, Telemachus meets Theoclymenus, a seer wanted for murder, and takes him with him on the ship.
In Ithaca, Eumaeus is still hosting Odysseus without knowing who he is. They talk about life, work, and the fate of men. Eumaeus recounts the story of his enslavement, how a child of noble birth fell victim to pirates and ended up a slave, but found solace in the service of Odysseus.
At the end of the rhapsody, Telemachus finally arrives on the island and his path leads him straight to Eumaeus' hut.

[torpid dirge]

I don't think but either i don't want to be Sinner so i do not assert about that

[turbid ivy]

You don't like that hadith?

[bold owl]

yeah, of course, especially the bad people like Hitler

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/sunglasses-off-sunglasses-on-confused-baffled-gif-12455998

Is it still religion

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-meredith-grey-thats-crap-that-is-crap-ellen-pompeo-gif-20375261

[winter echo]

The opposite of marriage you know is one of the biggest sin in islam
So I choose the safest option

[dry wigeon]

Yes

[oblique patrol]

Dose we need to say bismillah before eating everything

[torpid dirge]

Sorry ? Opposed of marriage you mean sexual relationship with someone without marrige?

[fallow shard]

Pretty good, I'm preparing for next week, wbu

[bold owl]

this is so coool do you study history or something or just a normal nerd ??

[wind bramble]

don't have time to read it also gimme Unaltered one

[turbid dome]

Normal nerd

[torpid dirge]

Ignore this ngga

[winter echo]

Looks like it's gonna have a happy ending.
Next

[turbid ivy]

The ref number is already there

[winter echo]

Yes

[shell hemlock]

well i have some history with feminists, they like to force their beliefs on me, for example i choose to be a housewife without working they claim that i’m allowing myself to be oppressed - esp since my conversion to islam they would push this agenda on me and it’s been hard to speak for myself, the worst part is it’s not because of islam rather it’s because of feminists themselves

anyway i can go on abt why i object their ideology but you get it cuz you’re a cool cat

[tiny apex]

A little sick so I’ve been at home today what’s going on next week if I can ask?

[wind bramble]

right!! wastin my time

[winter echo]

You don't seem to get the point

[fresh flower]

Ong I did nothing I just warned yall that he's here💀

[tiny apex]

I think people have really forgotten about what feminism is all about and that’s the right to choose to choose to work, have a career, a family it looks different for everyone and as long as it’s a woman choice it’s okay

[turbid ivy]

Why don't you want to work? 🤔

[fresh flower]

Reacting to his own stuff....

[turbid ivy]

This is work?

[analog hound]

Odysseus had left for the Trojan War when Telemachus was still a newborn. And now they will meet again after 20 years.
The rhapsody begins in Eumaeus' hut. Telemachus arrives there after his journey to Pylos and Sparta. Eumaeus welcomes him with joy and fatherly love, considering him his own child. Odysseus, still disguised as a beggar, sees his son and his heart breaks, but he restrains himself; he cannot reveal himself yet.
Telemachus says that things in the palace are bad: the suitors have become more insolent and predatory; they are squandering his possessions and plotting his murder. Odysseus listens silently, while Athena appears and gives him the signal to reveal himself.
As soon as Eumaeus leaves for a moment, the goddess touches Odysseus and makes him young, handsome, and divine again, as he once was. Telemachus is terrified when he sees him—he thinks he is seeing a god! Odysseus embraces him and reveals the truth:
"My son, I am Odysseus, your father, who has returned after so many trials."
The scene is flooded with tears; father and son embrace, weep, and laugh together, like "a hawk finding its young after a long loss," as Homer describes it.

[fresh flower]

"What happens next"

[shell hemlock]

i’m reaching my limits

[fresh flower]

Wahidu

[turbid ivy]

Why don't you name him a book instead of spamming

[winter echo]

Someone who chose to enslave himself with corporate life is telling the one who chose to be a housewife she's oppressed?
I think they are just bitter and jealous 😭

[analog hound]

😂😂
That's the last one for today, I will continue tomorrow
We still have 8 rhapsodies

[bold owl]

This is not true take beating your wife for example , under the UN domestic violence is illegal but based on the Quran _as we saw above _ beating your wife is allowed so what are you talking about ?!

[tiny apex]

Zamn those fingers are ridiculous

[turbid ivy]

Surah 4.34

[winter echo]

Bro kindly mind your business, coz I think you're trying to trigger me

[analog hound]

He could read the Odyssey by himself but I like narrating, so I offered to tell him myself when he asked me to

[fresh flower]

💀💀💀

[turbid ivy]

He can, but he won't cause he is just wants to entertain 😏

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/austria-aut-austrian-vienna-graz-gif-17668288097291791150

[winter echo]

Did you ask how the beating is done?

[bright harbor]

stop taking arabic here

[analog hound]

Where does your mind go? 🤨

[fresh flower]

Yeah that's right

Go back to your country

[high rapids]

they dont get it

[bold owl]

If you are looking for some go to Iraq they allow these stuff now under the sharia law

[bright harbor]

stop speaking arabic here

[high rapids]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[high rapids]

Give them all a time out:D

[tiny apex]

Can I move to Sweden

[bright harbor]

stop speaking arabic !!

[high rapids]

no

[fresh flower]

I wouldn't, move to Finland or Norway bro, job market here is fucked

[tiny apex]

Hmm @manic juniper can I come to Finland

[high rapids]

no

[shell hemlock]

the feminist mod in vc… omg, they just made it seem more real for me to leave this ‘feminism’ behind, because get this, they refuse to acknowledge that not all men are the same, and if a woman or a man says this “not all men are the same” they would say that we are making excuses for ridiculous things, they once brought up SA being natural for men and that all men has done this, it’s like implying that my brother also did SA

there was also topics regarding transgender (since there is a trans woman who is a feminist mod), and when asked should a trans woman be in a females prison, they refuse to acknowledge the issue and rather brought up “but male prisoners assault each other too”

ugh, it’s really difficult sorry i’m just letting out how frustrated i am

[fresh flower]

You won't find a job in Finland actually

[tiny apex]

Shh let me ask a Finn

[fresh flower]

Finns move to Sweden for work

[high rapids]

United States of Europe

[wind bramble]

why is it a rule lemme see??

[dry wigeon]

So should western Europeans also stop speaking in western European languages? Or do they also "not get it"

[tiny apex]

Job market is fucked but people going to Sweden for work? I’m confused

[high rapids]

You can´t be serious xd

[fresh flower]

Yeah, most employers would rather hire a Finn that speaks broken Swedish instead of an immigrant who went to uni for a masters degree

[winter echo]

Slava russiya

[dry wigeon]

Aren't I? We'll start with you

[fresh flower]

They just don't say it

[bold owl]

If you don't take all the things he did for granted and you confess that not all the things that he did were moral then i have nothing against you . have a good life

[high rapids]

?? XDDD

[dry wigeon]

Say less

[high rapids]

THATS GOOD

[dry wigeon]

Now I know you're just naturalized 💀

[fresh flower]

It isn't though

[high rapids]

Think whatever you want

[tiny apex]

What if I get a Finnish citizenship then go to Sweden would I get hired

[fresh flower]

You don't want immigrants to pay taxes?

[dry wigeon]

Exhibit two

[bright harbor]

iam pretty sure that you didn't read our rules

[high rapids]

ahahhahaha

[winter echo]

Keyword he is not infallible

[fresh flower]

Bro have you even seen what the Finnish language is like? It's a shitshow💀💀💀

[bright harbor]

why you're twisting what happend this chat for learning english you can't speak arabic here did you get it ?>

[fresh flower]

It's unlike anything else in Europe because they're Mongols

[high rapids]

Just mute them lol

[dry wigeon]

No one's twisting anything, I asked you a follow up question based upon the report you received

[tiny apex]

I just watched a video and I have no idea what that’s supposed to be

Sounds like 3 languages and no language at once

[bold owl]

god bless you my friend

[wind bramble]

well it was only one message no need for that or even lookin for who wrote in arabic look like i was writing an essay in عربي ولله!!

[fresh flower]

Finnish is impossible for any Swede/Norwegian/Danish person to understand

[tiny apex]

No it’s okay and sorry I didn’t see this at first sounds horrible in there tbh

[fresh flower]

The rest of us understand each other, even Icelandic, but Finnish is incomprehensible

[high rapids]

You'll have to talk back.

[analog hound]

Tervetuloa Suomeen, ystäväni!
It is goofy 😂

[tiny apex]

Swedish people sound funny though too

Not just the language but the accent is so funny to me

[fresh flower]

I don't have it when speaking English because I had unrestricted internet access as a child

I've heard that I sound Russian/Dracula 💀

[analog hound]

Finnish is the most funny
With the many a's and i's
Svenskarna är mer seriösa

[shell hemlock]

anyway, which prophet do you find the most interesting regarding their lifetime ?

[analog hound]

😂😂😂
Hungarians sound awful 😭

[bold owl]

trust me it is not the warmest experience

[tiny apex]

That’s kind of cool actually

[turbid ivy]

@winter echo severe beating

[bold owl]

I am from the Middle East so maybe you could marry me ?

[turbid ivy]

God bless

[high rapids]

I don´t think so, why should i marry you?

[bold owl]

جحيم المعرفة

[tiny apex]

Greek language sounds cool

[analog hound]

😂😂😂
Valid crash out

[bold owl]

what are you then and where are you from I am from syria

[tiny apex]

This is just terrifying

Now that I’m thinking about it maybe Finland is not somewhere I want to be

[fresh flower]

That's the most normal Finn

[shell hemlock]

i used to call myself a feminist for the longest time and i believed that i was supporting for what’s right, imagine how i felt joining that vc and being told that i was doing something in favor of receiving men’s attention instead

[fresh flower]

Finns sound so cute when they speak English though, it's more or less impossible for them to hide that they're Finns

You instantly know it

[cerulean pivot]

We're neighbors

[analog hound]

Thank you
We have a very rich language

[analog hound]

Like the French?
They have a very strong accent

[high rapids]

????

[fresh flower]

Even worse, a young French person can train their accent away, for Finns it's actually impossible

[turbid ivy]

Feminism isn't allowed in islam

[tiny apex]

I’m thinking they’re neo feminists/misandrists because real feminists definitely don’t do what they’re doing

[winter echo]

Oh, you're talking about this incident? 😂

[bold owl]

would you recommend any books for me I also like to read and i am planing to read more in the future

[shell hemlock]

i believe you are taking it for the granted, only bc i am muslim do i wish to be born in a muslim family, i want to be able to pray with my family and fast together, reverts like me aren’t fortunate enough like you and that’s just how it is

[winter echo]

And what did the prophet reply with?

[bright harbor]

you're right fair enough

[turbid ivy]

Of course.. you would notice the severe beating by a Muslim man. Muhammad didn't say not to beat that way, infact he favored the wife beater

[turbid ivy]

What did he reply?

[high rapids]

Thanks

[high raven]

You should know by now not to engage with him

[winter echo]

Go find it out

[bright harbor]

this puplic chat is only for english, please speak only english.

[turbid ivy]

You don't know?

Extra wife beating

[turbid ivy]

🫥

[bold owl]

gently right?? please don't start I have heard every and each stupid answer pardon my language

[analog hound]

I find their accent sweet 😂😂
The greek accent for example is awful. I have it but I don't use it. I have practiced a British one

[winter echo]

Prophet nuh AS
He spent over 950 preaching Islam at the end he only have 50 or less followers.
Imagine the frustration

[shell hemlock]

feminists back then fought for themselves instead of against men, even then i don’t even know what they’re fighting for anymore

[winter echo]

Go find it out 😜

[bold owl]

It was a bad joke , i was saying that if you want to liberate me you could marry me and give me the green card sorry for this joke

[analog hound]

Are you a feminist?

[bold owl]

my bad

[frank furnace]

And you work for the wumao community? Both of you are in the same boat but for different reasons

[turbid ivy]

They are fighting against laws like this.. crazy

[high raven]

No idea what any of this means or is referring to

[turbid ivy]

She's just jealous

[high rapids]

You can't get a green card in Europe. If you marry a European, you get the right of residence for the time being, as far as I know.

[shell hemlock]

aww yeah, i don’t know much about him other than that, i think i should read more during his time as the prophet

[shell hemlock]

no

[frank furnace]

For your previous hard work and dedication defending the communist parties around the world

[bold owl]

good enough

[turbid ivy]

Not obeying the husband, got beaten.

[winter echo]

Why are you being defensive?
He/she asked a legitimate question 😭

[high rapids]

If you were a woman, I might agree to the wedding so that you would be safe, but nothing would happen between us.

[high raven]

Yeah I think you have the wrong person

[analog hound]

Me too

[bold owl]

Unfortunately I am a man

[frank furnace]

I dont think so haha If I remember I had an argument with you before not a long time ago

[turbid ivy]

What's feminism

[high rapids]

I knew that already hahah

[frank furnace]

You still are no different my friend

[bold owl]

where are you from by the way ?

[bright harbor]

no worries buddy ✅

[shell hemlock]

i find prophet musa (as) the most relatable, from his stories alone i found him very interesting, he slapped the angel of death when the angel came to take his soul

[winter echo]

There's also another prophet that forsaked his people because he tried everything but they refused to believe in his religion

[sick bronze]

Flopped the second I typed

[shell hemlock]

i like the way you think

[high raven]

Argument regarding what?

[high rapids]

What do I see here?

[frank furnace]

Graphic cards and slave labor

[high rapids]

Austria

[high rapids]

WHY IS THERE A PICTURE OF A CAT

[shell hemlock]

this makes me sad

[bold owl]

ohh this is a good one

[tiny apex]

Why not

[winter echo]

Lily mind telling me where you heard that
Prophet musa AS slapping the angel of death when went to collect his soul?

[high raven]

Oh yes! You're the "China bad West good" guy

[high rapids]

It often looks better from the outside than from the inside.

[high rapids]

[bold owl]

I think It is better than being born in Syria

[winter echo]

I know right?

[frank furnace]

Whatever. Is your wumao payment looking good? Are you making bank?

[analog hound]

Feminism began with the elimination of gender inequality and the promotion of women's rights, interests, and issues in society.
But now I think it has changed quite a bit. Most modern feminists end up undermining traditional values and promoting misandry

[high rapids]

I don't know, I've never been there.

[high rapids]

Do you have any pictures of the city where you live?

[analog hound]

I was never really a feminist
I think it has really changed nowadays

[shell hemlock]

so in the hadith sahib al-bakhari 3407 basically the angel of death came to collect prophet musa (as) soul bc his time was up and musa (as) thought he was an intruder n slapped him😭 it’s quite a funny story

[high raven]

Still seething over losing that argument? Weird, it was ages ago

[winter echo]

"we don't need men"
"anything a man can do a woman can do better"
😂😂 😂

[analog hound]

That's what I mean 😭

[shell hemlock]

i was a feminist (at least i thought i was one) but i believe there’s nothing more to fight for, that’s why feminism has changed into smth else and they are trying to keep the ideology alive which results in misandrist beliefs and etc

i find most modern feminists hold a victim mindset, always claiming people are opposing them

[winter echo]

I just checked it but it seems to be talking about something different altogether

[analog hound]

That's what I said the other day
In developed countries, women have exactly the same rights as men. Of course, sometimes they may be denied certain opportunities, but feminism no longer advocates this

[high raven]

Remembering it from months ago is odd

[frank furnace]

That's not it though, you are accusing the guy for something you're guilty of doing it yourself -- being a propagandist on the internet. There is no mind to change with such people cause you don't have a mind of your own.

[vast dagger]

Bro this is really serious

[frank furnace]

Whoever has an argument with you is plainly and wickedly stupid, if you ask me.

[high raven]

Cope all you want, I know it must be tough to hate the Chinese and still have Chinese components in everything you buy

[sick bronze]

Lmaoo

[high raven]

😭😭😭

[inland knoll]

Hi guys what are yall talking about? Im new

[fresh flower]

Bro's coping so hard

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[shell hemlock]

The Angel of Death was sent to Moses when he came to Moses, Moses slapped him on the eye. The angel returned to his Lord and said, "You have sent me to a Slave who does not want to die." Allah said, "Return to him and tell him to put his hand on the back of an ox and for every hair that will come under it, he will be granted one year of life." Moses said, "O Lord! What will happen after that?" Allah replied, "Then death." Moses said, "Let it come now." Moses then requested Allah to let him die close to the Sacred Land so much so that he would be at a distance of a stone's throw from it." Abu Huraira added, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, 'If I were there, I would show you his grave below the red sand hill on the side of the road." (Sahih al-Bukhari 3407)

[fresh flower]

Mezzo is mad 😭😭😭

[frank furnace]

Great, you work for the 50 cent army too? Seems like you are doing well for yourself my friend

[coral belfry]

hello comrades!

[high raven]

Proud to be Chinese

[sick bronze]

Hating on products’ components is insane level of hate

[high raven]

"Europe doesn't use slave labour"😭

Discordians are unreal

[shell hemlock]

most circumstances in where a woman is treated lesser than, is no longer about women’s rights bc women is to be treated fairly - you don’t have to be a feminist to hold that mindset, unlike countries like afghanistan where political power come to play… it’s unfortunate for the women there, they can’t speak, show their face, they barely have a choice to do anything

[winter echo]

I find out it's actually hadith 3408
Anyway I learned something new thanks to you 😁

[fresh flower]

Smartest Western shill that thinks the minerals in Africa dig themselves out

[sick bronze]

We should come up with stats, rates of children being taken away and being forced to work in labour

In EU

Not only China is doing ts

That’s a common international problem

[winter echo]

I think it's because they follow a very strict teachings of Islam

[rich stirrup]

Is anyone into astronomy ?

[analog hound]

That's what I told my friends when we discussed it once. I told them that rights are something self-evident. You don't have to be a feminist to understand basic things about human rights.
If you really want to contribute to society, you can stop spreading hatred against men and speak up for women whose rights are being violated, as in Afghanistan, as you mentioned

[high raven]

Some Westerners think that it happening in Africa through shell companies somehow cleans their hands of it

[fallow shard]

What is this chat even about

[high raven]

As if they're any better than China that does it more openly and direct

[sick bronze]

So true, they wanna make it seem like they’re all clean

WE ALL KNOW!

[winter echo]

Can you be specific?

[shell hemlock]

there is another story abt prophet musa (as), he literally commanded Allah to show Himself, in which He did then musa (as) fainted from Him (not in life form but by miracle), he also commanded to meet adam (as) to debate with him😭 imagine 2 prophets arguing with each other in front of Allah (saw) it’s actually wholesome if u think abt it

[winter echo]

You don't get the point, the west is morally superior,
Everything they do is good

[high raven]

We were originally discussing EV's and their issue with the Chinese EV's were that they, and the rare metals they use, were made by slave labour and that it's somehow worse than Western companies using shell companies in Africa for that exact same purpose. 70% of all cobalt comes from Congo, most of the mines do have child labour and slave labour, but somehow China is bad and West isn't

[shell hemlock]

i have to pray😁

[vast dagger]

May Allah bless you

[high raven]

It's genuinely worrying that some actually think that way

[fresh flower]

Ironic that @feral river and @frank furnace would actually be good friends 💀💀💀

[fresh flower]

Make dua for my friend @summer sphinx he has a gambling addiction

[unkempt terrace]

Hi

[coral belfry]

yes

[fallow shard]

Welp

[fresh flower]

Are you a femboy

[winter echo]

I remember the story 😁
Surah Al-A‘raf 7:143
When Musa (AS) asked to see Allah, Allah said, “You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it remains, you will see Me.”
When Allah manifested Himself to the mountain,
it crumbled, and Musa fell unconscious.
When he woke, he said, Glory be to You! I repent to You, and I am the first of the believers.
This one right?

[unkempt terrace]

If u mean that u are looking for a femboy like you, i am not sorry

[winter echo]

This is crazy, I'm from Africa but I don't even know a country called congo exist

[winter echo]

Just listen to mainstream media that's exactly what they've been implying

[fallow shard]

Mainstream media isn't always trustworthy

Or even usually

[winter echo]

Subhi?

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-tired-tired-puppy-doggo-cute-puppy-gif-9446132869263243239

[high raven]

"Democratic Republic of the Congo" is the full name

How have you not heard of it? Didn't they just recently end a war with Rwanda?

It might be still on going, not too sure

[wet laurel]

any indian here on rn?

[fresh flower]

💀💔

[high rapids]

Ahhahaah

Good night guys

[fresh flower]

See you in Valhalla bro

[latent steppe]

can i be allowed into agartha even though i am a chinese chud

https://tenor.com/view/yakub-ksi-forehead-ksi-logan-paul-germany-ww2-gif-17278031980864750852

[winter echo]

I'm not sure, maybe it's because it's a small country

[cerulean pivot]

You have a special seat there

A throne even

[fresh flower]

Go back to you country

[latent steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[last geyser]

Hello / 你好 / Hola / नमस्ते / Bonjour / مرحبا / হ্যালো / Olá / Здравствуйте / سلام / Halo / Hallo / こんにちは / Hello / أهلاً / नमस्कार / నమస్కారం / Selam / வணக்கம் / Xin chào

[thorny steeple]

Being vegan is morally virtuous, but i don't have an obligation to be one

alvindar tha ford

[frank furnace]

If I may ask, what/who led you to Islam? It's coming off as something you take quite seriously

Very commendable

[brisk meteor]

Wow you can literally speak in different languages bro, congratulation for it.

[last geyser]

Yeah bro Thanks to AI

[brisk meteor]

I bet you don't remember about me

[last geyser]

No sorry

[brisk meteor]

this Ai always help us.

[brisk meteor]

did you remember a name called "Hydrosnake" or something like that?

[last geyser]

Hmm

Can be bro

[brisk meteor]

That's fair bro

[last geyser]

I dont even remember what did i eat yesterday

[brisk meteor]

that's hurt bro, I understand you. hahaha

[last geyser]

XD

[brisk meteor]

can you reply me a question?
How do you study or practice your skills in English?

[last geyser]

Making mistake

Many many times

I do still make mistakes

When is speak or writing

[brisk meteor]

I need to improve even more the methods I've been using, because it's not look like enough for me yet.

But how do your increase your vocabulary?
Do you a program like anki, for example?

[void ruin]

Writee and speak more in English

[void ruin]

Read books or watch movies with English subtitles

[brisk meteor]

Bro I've been practice my writing skills just using AI called Chatgpt, you know?
I just pick a theme and after I send to him correct my text.

[last geyser]

I am translating always. For example I didnt know "increase" mean while i speak with you. And I have translated now. Learned

[brisk meteor]

Nice bro

[void ruin]

Okay for instance here in your sentence
It should be ''i've been practicing '' instead of practice

Well yes you practice by writing more but you should also learn the rules and all of that

[last geyser]

English is

Sometimes very hard

[brisk meteor]

Oh I forget, although my grammar isn't so good yet

I really need to improve it

[white rock]

Hi guys, I can help

[last geyser]

In turkish we have no " am, is, are" things. And Our verbs coming after words

[brisk meteor]

I agreed with you bro, it's really hard sometimes.

[void ruin]

It's okay, it's Good that you know your weakness and that's a step for improvement

[white rock]

How discover my English level?

[last geyser]

I have B2 english and still i cannot speak very well

[void ruin]

There a test online
Wait

[white rock]

Ok

[void ruin]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.efset.org/&ved=2ahUKEwiQuMmwzsCQAxVVh_0HHQoBE0sQFnoECGoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0GkFbPfFVl7xFHALClM93q

[brisk meteor]

Bro you're a level very higher than mine.

[void ruin]

Wait so it doesn't seem like scam

[last geyser]

Are yours less?

[white rock]

Thank you

[brisk meteor]

Probably I'm level A2 or even getting close to level B1 (But i'm not sure about, because my grammar is not the best)

[last geyser]

Where are you from guys

[void ruin]

You're b1 b2

[brisk meteor]

I'm from brazil bro

[last geyser]

Wait a minute

[white rock]

I'm from brazil and you?

[void ruin]

Algeria

[last geyser]

I think i am remembering u

[last geyser]

Turkiye

[brisk meteor]

I knew bro, nobody can forget me

[white rock]

What is "u"?

[brisk meteor]

lol

[void ruin]

You

[last geyser]

Ahhshshahshs, What was ur old nickname

[brisk meteor]

"Hydrosnake" bro

[last geyser]

You but short type

[last geyser]

Okay I remembered you

I have ping in my brain

I got it when u said " I am from Brasil "

[brisk meteor]

Yeah bro

[last geyser]

What were we talking about last time

[brisk meteor]

at that day you said about a genre who control in my country
it was phonk or something like that

is it correct to use "at" in this way?

[last geyser]

Yeah yeah

[brisk meteor]

Oh ok

good for me then

[last geyser]

I think yes bro. I have no idea

:d

I use them randomly

[brisk meteor]

Me either

[last geyser]

Hahahahhshshaja

We will be best speaker

[brisk meteor]

well, it depends on context, you know?
When I see it works I tend to use even more

[last geyser]

Whicone? At, on, in?

[brisk meteor]

well all I know, it's we use "at" is used to indicate a specific time and "in".

[last geyser]

Hmm

I have to check it. Wait a minute bro

[brisk meteor]

Go ahead bro

[last geyser]

This is true

Spesifik times and locasions

[brisk meteor]

yes, but the hardest part is use them correctly

[last geyser]

And "in" Everything in locations, not any point, just anywhere

[last geyser]

We can hande it, time by time

[slender flame]

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[brisk meteor]

So can we use "in" to refer anywhere?

[last geyser]

Those are good already. There is no anything else

[brisk meteor]

that's interesting

[last geyser]

Yes bro. For example you were saying " I am from brasil " yes but which place in brasil. You didnt say it. For example " I am from brasil i live in brasil ( you didnt say which city do you live )

For example I living in Brasil at the Jesus statue

[brisk meteor]

I can say which state i'm from.
And i'm from São pauulo

paulo*

[last geyser]

Yeah. Like this bro

[void ruin]

I'm from Brazil, i live in Sao Paulo

[last geyser]

You live in são paulo. But which place, for example at the labubu cofee

[brisk meteor]

Ok this way is better than I was writing now
sometimes I forget even simple ways to write something.

[void ruin]

As in directions