🧠｜serious-chat

[turbid ivy]

How can he create evil if evil is not a being?

[plain ruin]

If there's no evil, there cannot be only good
Good and evil require to co-exist in order to be able to distinguish between them

[gloomy lichen]

we can even say Sin

[turbid ivy]

How do you define sin"?

[plain ruin]

Creating the concept of evil wouldn't be inherently wrong

[turbid ivy]

Doesnt follow with the bible. God created everything Good, read Genesis.

[gloomy lichen]

Bro wants to go into semantics

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-dancing-dancing-cat-cat-cat-dance-gif-4990417705814603993

[turbid ivy]

No, i wanna know how do you define these terms

[plain ruin]

It still necessitates the simultaneous creation of the concept of evil

[turbid ivy]

How does it follow.. define evil?

[plain ruin]

Good and evil necessairly co-exist

[turbid ivy]

What is evil?

[plain ruin]

Anything that isn't aligning with your God

[gloomy lichen]

Sin is an action that goes against Gods will or moral order.

But if God created everything including the moral order, human nature, and the knowledge of every choice then sin exists only because God made a world where sin is possible and certain.

[turbid ivy]

Is evil a substance?

[turbid ivy]

Ok, cool so it's not a substance.

He created everything Good, with having freewill. Having freewill is not evil.

[plain ruin]

It's a concept that was created
If he created beings that are "good" and "goodness" isn't a substance, but an opposing concept of evil, then he also simultaneously created evil

[turbid ivy]

How do you create a concept that only exists in your mind? BUt doesnt exist in reality?

[gloomy lichen]

creating beings with free will, while knowing exactly how theyd use it to do evil, still makes God responsible for the outcome

[plain ruin]

God created good and evil
I don't think that's bad

What I think is bad is his retroactive redefinition of good and evil

[plain ruin]

God can create concepts, can he not? Or did god only create us all as neutral beings according to you? The Bible says he created "good"

[turbid ivy]

So creating human with freewill, how does that entail creating evil? How is he responsible? YOu are responsible for your own choices.. do you have the capacity to know what is wrong and right?

[turbid ivy]

Does the concept exists in reality?

[plain ruin]

Doesn't it?

[turbid ivy]

where did he say he created good?

[turbid ivy]

It doesn't exist in reality, it only exists in mind.

Hence it's not created in reality.

[plain ruin]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[plain ruin]

Again
#🧠｜serious-chat message

[sharp creek]

i m curious about you religious eeediots, how to appeal to god to help you fkk poor guys

[gloomy lichen]

God created both the chooser and the conditions for the choice, knowing exactly what each person would do.
God still chose to create a world where evil actions were guaranteed to happen.

[sharp creek]

yes pray makes your life better

[turbid ivy]

Is there any biblical ground? If you are arguing to an agnostic position than it's not a critic to the biblical concept

[plain ruin]

I'm referring to your own message, you made the claim, you have the burden of proof

[sharp creek]

you must be the middle east people, they focus on god much much more than on reality

[turbid ivy]

Again, God created a human being that is good in his nature with freewill to choose Goodness, according to his nature, the human beings have the ability to not to choose Goodness. Having thoise choices doesnt make Good the author of evil because a human being is rational, he knows his choices, hence accoountable for his choices simaltenously

[plain ruin]

God creating evil isn't a bad thing though, whether agnostic or religious, that's his wish🫤

[turbid ivy]

What claim did i make? 😂

[plain ruin]

... #🧠｜serious-chat message

[turbid ivy]

How would God create a mere concept that doesnt exist in reality dude?

[turbid ivy]

but i didnt say he created evil, did i?

[plain ruin]

Are you saying that goodness and evilness don't exist in reailty? Or that he isn't capable of creating concepts?

[sharp creek]

so hard to fit in with religious topics

[gloomy lichen]

if God already knew humans would choose evil before creating them, then He still chose to make that reality happen.

even if humans are responsible for their actions, God is responsible for creating the setup where evil was guaranteed.

[plain ruin]

Creating good = creating evil
If you were in a world void of the concept of good, it's also void of the concept of evil

[shell hemlock]

to choose to do bad or good, that is free will and God gave us free will

there are those who do bad, n they repent so they recognize their own flaws

[gloomy lichen]

god caused evil

[shell hemlock]

He is wise

[plain ruin]

Even then, there's nothing wrong with God creating good/evil
Without evil, we wouldn't be able to feel "good"

The thing I find bad is the constant retroactive definitions of good and evil rather than their creation

[sharp creek]

Why 'He'

not a 'She'

[gloomy lichen]

lets go with She then lol

[plain ruin]

woman* yes

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/fahads-fahadz-serious-report-gif-15931896867289264115

https://tenor.com/view/attack-penguin-king-the-super-mario-bros-movie-forward-get-them-gif-26913735

[shell hemlock]

cuz in quran it’s written in arabic He

[high rapids]

Hello

[shell hemlock]

hi

[high rapids]

welcome back

[turbid ivy]

I will be back and respond

[shell hemlock]

thanks

[high rapids]

How are you?

[shell hemlock]

am fine

[high rapids]

I'm glad to hear that

[winter echo]

And that is why he gave each and everyone of us free will

[sharp creek]

your president created concepts

[thorny steeple]

do you agree that non vegan atleast are not immoral?

[winter echo]

Such a pain in the ass

[plain ruin]

My president creates stupid concepts

[golden jetty]

I'm back

[high rapids]

nooo

[shell hemlock]

which countries ?

[winter echo]

Israel?

[fresh flower]

Aight bro wrap it up

Before mods get here

[golden jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-7750514513027734728

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-sus-suspicious-sus-cat-suspicious-cat-gif-8542866851893524093

[plain ruin]

💀💀💀💀

[winter echo]

What?

[sharp creek]

im sorry about what i said

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/fahads-fahadz-serious-report-gif-15931896867289264115

[shell hemlock]

what is it called when someone over exaggerates details to make something sound worse than it actually is ?

[sharp creek]

so you guys know where im talking about

idont think so

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/israel-scream-love-scream-if-country-gif-11285863046793062010

[fresh flower]

Hyperbolic

[plain ruin]

hyperbole? sensationalization?

[thorny steeple]

1 blocked message -- Show

[high rapids]

gloss over?

[thorny steeple]

yo

[high rapids]

nobody cares

[fresh flower]

Bro's addicted to me

He wants my attention so bad

[thorny steeple]

umm i didnt block her for nobody cares, i blocked her bc i care

[sharp creek]

what is bc

[winter echo]

The chosen people are infamous for that

[plain ruin]

Some people praise them for it too

[thorny steeple]

cuss word

[plain ruin]

@fresh flower peep refugees

[thorny steeple]

is this a zionist argument?

[winter echo]

That's disgusting

[fresh flower]

Before Christ. Atheists claim to not believe in God yet still use systems of counting years based on the birth of Jesus Christ.

Curious

[thorny steeple]

israel didnt even existed before 1956

[high rapids]

Nobody cares if you blocked someone “1 blocked message -- Show
.” How childish can you be?

[thorny steeple]

changing goalpost

[winter echo]

1948

[coral belfry]

My grandma is older than israel

[thorny steeple]

yes

[plain ruin]

Ikr, one of their soldiers was caught doing it to a man on camera, the soldier was sent to jail
People have protested against his conviction, they want him free, and they want the right to r***, an official knesset (Legislative body of the occupying entity) member also argued for the same "right"

[high rapids]

Grow up, but that wouldn't help either, as stupid as you are.

Now you can block me too<3

[thorny steeple]

saying god said israel is for jews before 1948 wouldnt even make sense

[thorny steeple]

you dont understand democracy do you

[golden jetty]

It's called catastrophizing

[winter echo]

Now that you mentioned it,
I remember

[golden jetty]

It's like saying if I mess up this one project, my whole career is over

[thorny steeple]

what yall talking about

[plain ruin]

I'm going to call them "occupying entity" from now on

[high rapids]

You don´t understand that nobody cares who you are and who you have blocked

[thorny steeple]

thats kinda true tho

[golden jetty]

Chill

[thorny steeple]

💀

[winter echo]

For real?

[coral belfry]

yes

[thorny steeple]

damn

must be in europe

they live quite longer

[winter echo]

Wow

[thorny steeple]

or japan

[plain ruin]

Never forget about Rachel Corrie
https://x.com/ZarrarKhuhro/status/1723008013856899366?lang=en

Zarrar Khuhro (@ZarrarKhuhro)

Till at least 13 years later, Israeli soldiers celebrated her death anniversary by making pancakes. Because they 'flattened her'

X · Nov 10, 2023, 4:01 PM

[golden jetty]

Singapore

[golden jetty]

What's going on with this

[thorny steeple]

broke the average

[golden jetty]

Yeah singapore's insane

[plain ruin]

She was an american woman who protested for Palestinian rights, the IDF ran her over with a bulldozer
Israeli people started celebrating the day of her death, by making pancakes

[thorny steeple]

i like singapore

[winter echo]

This people are sick.
I watched one video where they bang one Palestinian to death

[plain ruin]

Extremist Israeli people

[shell hemlock]

huh interesting

[compact mountain]

Yo I'm back

[golden jetty]

Let's not

[thorny steeple]

hi back

[gloomy lichen]

not sure what u mean by that.
Are you claiming that people who know that they abuse animals are not immoral?

[thorny steeple]

al-vindar the ford is back

[gloomy lichen]

there is no free will

[fresh flower]

LA ILLAHA IL ALLAH

Battlefield 6 lowkey turning me into an ISIS sympathiser

[thorny steeple]

a person who ate a a squirrel who died already in the jungle, is he immoral to eat it?

[compact mountain]

Hi front

[thorny steeple]

call me chest the way i aint back

[golden jetty]

You missed everything

[plain ruin]

Why is it called 2sbania and not alandalous 🤬

[gloomy lichen]

if they just happen to find a dead animal and had no accountability in its death. Its A moral. neither good or bad.

[golden jetty]

Have any of you guys done a 23andme test?

[fresh flower]

No

[compact mountain]

If you say hi to back that means you are front,don't your know?

[fresh flower]

I'm scared it will say I have Danish blood in me

[thorny steeple]

why is this has nothing to do with good or bad and why is not not moral?

[plain ruin]

No, we all identify as Israeli for the sake of 0 interest loans, so we aren't allowed to take thosse tests

[thorny steeple]

back = back spine

[plain ruin]

💔💔💔

[thorny steeple]

of human

so opposite it chest

[coral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/wooosh-dumb-gif-18787851

[golden jetty]

Sucks

[compact mountain]

My back is not that

[thorny steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1430235265359941702/1430236092979744879/image0.gif

[thorny steeple]

what is your back?

[compact mountain]

Your back

[thorny steeple]

then

[plain ruin]

I did laugh, I'm going the extra mile to make it funnier for those who know😞

[winter echo]

https://x.com/CensoredHumans/status/1979491792887095407?t=OGOl4SN9b84dSTTu-r5KIQ&s=19

Censored Humans (@CensoredHumans)

Just to remind you.. This is the Israeli occupation soldier who murdered little Palestinian girl Hind Rajab by shooting 355 bullets at her tender body!

X · Oct 18, 2025, 10:16 AM

[plain ruin]

"Hamas was in the car"

[uncut tiger]

Did you download it to check how well your PC does with shaders

[thorny steeple]

😭

🙏

[winter echo]

Why tho?

[thorny steeple]

im convinced i have free will

[gloomy lichen]

its not a sentient being, and you are not violating any individual.
eating a dead corpse found in a forrest, its like eating a dead plant found in the forrest.

[winter echo]

No comment

[fresh flower]

Danes engage in incestuous relationships

It has been scientifically proven

[compact mountain]

Guys how often you clean your gaming laptop fans?

[plain ruin]

/s, just liike yesterday

[gloomy lichen]

@thorny steeple for example, if you spawned PorkChop (like in Minecraft) and ate it. There is no moral issue with that.

[plain ruin]

Some people actually claim that "Hamas" was in the car

[thorny steeple]

is it moral for me to eat a dead human baby who died bc of lung failure?

[winter echo]

Yesterday?

[compact mountain]

I am playing gta5 in rtx4050 and it's only giving 40-80 fps in cities

[thorny steeple]

ok

[winter echo]

That's pretty disgusting

[plain ruin]

Yesterday or the day before, I made a joke and I think you didn't see the "/s"

[fresh flower]

You're on laptop bro. That's good fps

Be grateful that it even runs

[plain ruin]

Ngl for a 4050 that's kinda low

[fresh flower]

Which processor though

[plain ruin]

Must be one of the 30W 4050s maybe, no other way to explain it

[compact mountain]

But I want MOOREEE FOR MY MONEY and mine is a very good cpu too Intel i5 13420H.

[fresh flower]

Gaming laptops either have shit processor or low wattage gpu

[plain ruin]

Dawg that's still 13 year old software

[gloomy lichen]

there would be social issues with it.
but if we said same thing
forest and dead body.
and we replace that dead body with humans.
Same principle.
I would find cannibalism strange in different reasons. But not immoral

[winter echo]

Oh, somethings are just too emotionally charged for me to notice the nuance

[fresh flower]

Which settings do you run it on

[thorny steeple]

ok

[compact mountain]

Little bit less than max settings and it's legacy

[plain ruin]

Ah okay, understandable, I know people like that

[fresh flower]

Which laptop do you have bro lemme look it up

[plain ruin]

What is your MSAA set to

[manic juniper]

Are you playing on legacy or enhanced?

[plain ruin]

And are you using the horrible "extended view distance"

[winter echo]

Go back where you come from isfrun

[fresh flower]

Mongolia

[compact mountain]

Hp victus 15 inteli5 13420H rtx4050 it's come with 120W adapter but I don't know how much my laptop use.

[plain ruin]

Those damn mughals

[plain ruin]

Wait

[compact mountain]

I forgot

[compact mountain]

Legacy

[winter echo]

Aren't they different?

[manic juniper]

You need to play on Enhanced, the Legacy version is poorly optimised. Yes I'm not joking, I tried it myself

[plain ruin]

Mughals originated from the lineage of Gengis Khan iirc

[manic juniper]

You can run Enhanced much more easily and stably and it looks superior

[tiny apex]

What type of example is this

[compact mountain]

Yeah I am planning to download enhanced this week because legacy sucks

[fresh flower]

Is it set on performance mode?

[shell hemlock]

i hate and love kids at the same time

[manic juniper]

If you want to transfer the save file go on Legacy and in settings, upload the save to Rockstar server, then go to Enhanced and download it

[shell hemlock]

they can be so annoying

[thorny steeple]

moral or moral findings

immoral or moral

[tiny apex]

Wild question though

[manic juniper]

It's just GTA Legacy, it runs like shit on my 5060 Ti as well

[thorny steeple]

ehh average philosophy question

[manic juniper]

Enhanced runs at solid 60FPS at 4K with everything to max except raytracing

[tiny apex]

Right they’re okay as long as only have to see them or take care of them for a little bit

[plain ruin]

I just checked, your 4050 seems to be the high end variant, take a screenshot of your settings and send them over, something is up

[tiny apex]

Especially babies

[fresh flower]

I still got gta on ps5, I'm like level 900 on online thanks to rp glitching

[manic juniper]

I don't know what kind of black magic they used to optimise it but it works

[thorny steeple]

i have seen worst examples

[fresh flower]

I think Minas isn't on performance mode

[manic juniper]

I'm sure he's getting bad performance just because of the version he's playing, it's just bad

[tiny apex]

Computer nerds

[compact mountain]

No,the Nvidia settings is default.and it have omen there no performance option only balanced and eco.iam using balanced in that.and I upgraded graphic drivers too in Nvidia app.

[fresh flower]

Let's all bet on this and GAMBLE

[thorny steeple]

can you create smth out of EVERYTHING?

[manic juniper]

There is no fixing GTA V Legacy version

[plain ruin]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fresh flower]

What

[compact mountain]

Sure.i already have that plan

[compact mountain]

Why shock

[tiny apex]

I mean not me but the universe is made of everything isn’t it

[plain ruin]

Nvidia settings should never be default, then there's also windows power settings, high performance
Balanced and eco usually only happens when your power cable isn't connected, iirc

[compact mountain]

[fresh flower]

True

[thorny steeple]

how do you know that?

[fresh flower]

Broskisaurus is NOT on performance mode

[plain ruin]

Stupid performance mode 🤬

[compact mountain]

Than how I change it for gaming

[tiny apex]

Because I’m pretty sure every element was involved in the Big Bang or something

[compact mountain]

I already see some videos about that and tried it

[tiny apex]

Or if it wasn’t nothing created everything

[fresh flower]

Go to it and send us screenshots bro

[thorny steeple]

what cased big bang?

[fresh flower]

We gotta see what you're seeing

[winter echo]

Well, you used to like them
I bet you were even more annoying and naughty when you were like them
😭

[manic juniper]

If you are on Windows 11 there is a performance mode in the Gaming section of the Settings

[thorny steeple]

are you saying evrrything came from nothing?

[compact mountain]

You mean Nvidia app or Nvidia control panel?

[tiny apex]

Giant explosion I think idk astronomy

[fresh flower]

Look at what Isfrun said

Go there bro

[manic juniper]

Both but you change most things through the control panel

[thorny steeple]

thats the big bang, im asking what caused it

[compact mountain]

Oh

[thorny steeple]

what caused the giant explosion

[fresh flower]

By the grace of Allah we will give you more fps

[winter echo]

Random coincidence? 😝

[thorny steeple]

thats not an asnwer

[plain ruin]

#BanXboxGamebar

[manic juniper]

Even on the control panel you can focus on increasing performance over quality although what you're looking for is a mode that prioritises performance of your laptop over power consumption

[tiny apex]

Probably two or more elements reacting like every other chemical reaction

[compact mountain]

Actually I changed Nvidia settings before but it's only increasing fps 10-20 lol I thought I don't want to harm my darling victus.

[winter echo]

Hahaha

[manic juniper]

This should be in the settings somewhere

[compact mountain]

And reset to default

[fresh flower]

That shit crashes call of duty for me

[plain ruin]

Do you live in 50C climates without air conditioning?
Then it'll cause harm

[manic juniper]

I can check this later when I'm home

[thorny steeple]

😭

[fresh flower]

No way to turn it off

[thorny steeple]

oh god what have done to listen these answers

😭

[plain ruin]

YOUR LAPTOP AUTOMATICALLY SPEEDS ITSELF UP AND DOWN TO CONTROL TEMPS, ITS 2025 NOT 1987 😭😭😭😭😭😭

TURN THAT STUFF BACK ON😭😭😭😭

[thorny steeple]

can smth come from nothing?

[compact mountain]

Ok

[tiny apex]

I don’t know astronomy I’m using chemistry knowledge

[compact mountain]

Some one sayis it's always use 100% GPU if you not gaming if I change the settings to performance

[thorny steeple]

you can say i dont know

if you dont know

[plain ruin]

That's bullshit

[thorny steeple]

gpu blah blah

[fresh flower]

What

Who lied to you bro

[tiny apex]

Im speculating for the sake of the argument

[thorny steeple]

how is this even interesting

[cedar oar]

I'm back, for a few minutes

[compact mountain]

You tube

[cedar oar]

Hey, Isfrun

[fresh flower]

They're lying bro it's not true

[thorny steeple]

i wanna eat smth

[plain ruin]

I'm not gaming now, and I'm on performance mode 24/7, my temps are fine

[fresh flower]

My 4070 isn't pulling 300 watts if I just use word documents

[plain ruin]

usage % doesn't dictate harm to the laptop, temps do

[tiny apex]

A whole pizza by yourself?

[compact mountain]

Hmm

[thorny steeple]

whatever i get

i wont be able to even finish a small pizza

[winter echo]

Whatever you're eating share some with me

[thorny steeple]

by myself

[thorny steeple]

i cant share a picture of a lady

[plain ruin]

Watch actual youtubers bro not "100% PERFORMANCE FIX MASTER TUNING 2025 UPDATED"

[thorny steeple]

😞

[plain ruin]

Watch GamersNexus, Linus Tech Tips, etc., the real ones with the real facts

[tiny apex]

But you’re waffles you order a whole pizza for yourself

[compact mountain]

Oh

[cedar oar]

@turbid ivy, as to quickly address the peonage because I did leave it unaddressed before: should we accept its existence as ethically or morally correct and that the verses are referring thereto, these passages still produce a harsh tone infringing on the already infringed dignity of people: Titus 2:9–10, Exodus 21:20–21

I must now go again

[thorny steeple]

1 blocked message -- Show

[thorny steeple]

exodus 21 is immoral

according to my morality

[compact mountain]

Thanks for the help guys let me try to change it.but is that normal my victus having ,40-60 fps without performance mode?

[plain ruin]

First put performance mode on and show us your settings, and switch to the enhanced edition as it may be more optimized, since they rewrote the game for newer hardware

[compact mountain]

In gta5

[winter echo]

Bro, I was talking about food, I'm already in a happy relationship with @echo coral

[plain ruin]

I don't think it's normal even with the legacy edition

[thorny steeple]

youre a lady?

[compact mountain]

Nuuuu

[winter echo]

Shayan is

[thorny steeple]

abdulla

[fresh flower]

Haram

[plain ruin]

Show us your settings, we probably shouldn't give you an answer without knowing what exactly is happening

[thorny steeple]

lulla

[fresh flower]

Gf is haram

[winter echo]

Is it ?

[compact mountain]

Ok.nvidia panel?

[winter echo]

Bro?

[thorny steeple]

abdul251 replied to al-vindar the ford

[fresh flower]

Why you asking me I thought you were Muslim💀

[thorny steeple]

[winter echo]

I am

[plain ruin]

NVIDIA Panel you should be able to tweak by yourself, the game settings, show us quickly, you can just go load up the main menu and show us the settings too

[compact mountain]

Wait

[winter echo]

Guys don't y'all have nothing to about but Nvidia?
It's very boring

[thorny steeple]

ikr

[plain ruin]

It's a better topic than the people spreading hate against countries/religions all day

[fresh flower]

It's either this or atheists complaining about religion bro

[plain ruin]

Pick your poison

[winter echo]

Ah

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-discord-meme-troll-brick-wall-gif-23392632

[fresh flower]

Yo that reminds me, my dad called nasheeds terrorist songs

[plain ruin]

Did he come and pay the rent though💔💔💔💔

[compact mountain]

Yo I can't put attachment here

[rain lava]

Level up

[compact mountain]

Give me friend request

[plain ruin]

dm me, i'll send you friend req

[compact mountain]

Ok

[fresh flower]

Perpetually out for milk💀

[thorny steeple]

skill issue

Why here it's shows slow mode is enabled?

[plain ruin]

💔💔💔

[rain lava]

People cant argue too much, need a calm down

[thorny steeple]

serious chat

[plain ruin]

To stop spam

[thorny steeple]

it was 3 sec before now they made it 5 sec

[turbid ivy]

Obey the master/ bosss , how is that a harass commandment?

[thorny steeple]

L

[turbid ivy]

So, how evil is could be a creation?

[thorny steeple]

who created evil

[cedar oar]

Back agan.

Yes, he did, and so did the perpetrators of genocide (I'm not sure whether "genocider" is a word), but he killed Onan—the one also with the lesser crime—before allowing him to naturally die, unlike the damned latter

[turbid ivy]

evil is not a substance to be created

[thorny steeple]

@rain lava Hey dear Lady💕👩🏻 O you of beautiful face, Thy face as adorable as the full moon. Your voice as sweet as the song of the Cuckoos🐦, You are tender as the butterflies🦋, You're meek as a fawn. Thy cheeks has a pinkish-glow as peach🍑, Your lips are comparable to the rippen-strawberries🍓, your hips r lage as a barrel. Your skin as soft as a foam.You smell like a lavender. You're hot & alluring as the finest pepper🌶 and O lady of slender waist, your appearance resembles the celestial-damsels, who possessed the enchanting beauty. 𝙾 𝚖𝚢 𝚕𝚘𝚟𝚎💝 𝙸 𝚠𝚊𝚗𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚎𝚡𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚜 𝚖𝚢 𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚙-𝚏𝚎𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚊 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚜𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎𝚜.

[thorny steeple]

i agree it wasnt created, cus theres no god

[winter echo]

Too cheesy 😭

[rain lava]

Be racist instead 😭

[thorny steeple]

"0 you of beautiful face"???

[turbid ivy]

Ok cool.. So God punishes both either death in hell or phyiscal death.
Now, in your paradigm,, do you punsih the evildoer? According to which standard?

[thorny steeple]

I'm kidding with her! Nothing serious.

[turbid ivy]

how does that follow kahahah

[thorny steeple]

can anything happen without gods will?

[turbid ivy]

What do you mean by anything

[winter echo]

We never know

[plain ruin]

Did god create us as good or evil
Did god create free will
Did god create us as robots without instructions to do good or evil

[thorny steeple]

both good and evil

[rain lava]

Everything is in god wills, eventhouhh im atheist

[thorny steeple]

what

[thorny steeple]

Yes! I said so to that she got impressed.

[turbid ivy]

He created us Good with the freewill.
Yes
God commaned us to do good things

[thorny steeple]

but you dont believe in god in the first place

[turbid ivy]

Could you tell me how evil could be a creation?

[cedar oar]

At this point, I'd just have to rewrite my argument over. But consider, for example, Titus 2:9–10:

"9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive."

Don't talk back, it says. Surely you'd understand that one?

[winter echo]

Something doesn't add up.
Are you sure you're an atheist?

[plain ruin]

Then if he created us as good and not blank humans void of good, it also created the potential of evil
You say he cannot/did not create the concept of evil, but you're also saying that he creates the concept of good

[thorny steeple]

did god create god and evil?

[thorny steeple]

Trust me! I didn't flirt with girls especially E-girls. Don't know if she is a male faking gender here and I respect women📢

[rain lava]

Im even confused with myself abdul

[fresh flower]

What is that bro?

Looks good but I can't tell what it is

[hidden shore]

Pork 😋

[turbid ivy]

Cool, and what's the role of a master?

Masters, treat your bondservants justly and fairly, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven. Colossians 4:1 ESV

[thorny steeple]

@rain lava Btw r u not impressed with my romantic-lines?🌹

[hidden shore]

Pork

[thorny steeple]

do you believe any god exist?

[winter echo]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[turbid ivy]

What is good?

[rain lava]

Idk what to believe i just live to be a good human being. Im also just confused

[fresh flower]

Enjoy your meal bro 🙏🏻

[rain lava]

Hmm id give it a 2 its -8 bc too many emote

[cedar oar]

Yes, which means he allows those who commit genocides to do as they wish unlike Onan, whose crime, even though not great, is much lesser than a damned coordinated murder of a specific people. In my paradigm, we'd use a rehabilitative approach for minor crimes and abolish the death penalty, ensuring everyone receives equal treatment, but I don't see how that's relevant

[thorny steeple]

i have been atheist for entire life

[fresh flower]

If God wants humans to do good, how come Nobu is chronically online and useless

[thorny steeple]

i dont need a good to say whats good and evil

[rain lava]

I know theres something called god but IDK WHAT GOD

[fallow thistle]

Hello, guys

[plain ruin]

it would have to follow your definition of good, since we're talking about the bible, therefore, you tell me what you/the bible says "good" is, when you say "God created humans as good"

[thorny steeple]

U mean emojis? Oh I kept it so that the reader might enjoy it.

[thorny steeple]

do you have a believe that he actully exist?

[winter echo]

It's normal, I went through that

[thorny steeple]

is what im asking

[cedar oar]

In peonage, by agreement it could be for the slave to fulfill his terms

[thorny steeple]

either you believe in a god or you dont which one is it?

[turbid ivy]

Him allowing them to commit sins, how is that equavalent with commanding?

And let me ask you, how do you know what is wrong and right?

[rain lava]

Instead of enjoying, the reader might find it annoying 😭

[turbid ivy]

How do you know it's wrong?

[rain lava]

Yeah but idk what god

[rain lava]

Yep.. i believe to just be a good human

[cedar oar]

Command? I don't recall using that. I can't restate my point again. Just consider my having had copied the previous message

And as for what is wrong or right: I'm a moral relativist adopting a progressive approach to ethics

[cedar oar]

I don't. How do you?

[turbid ivy]

So, how do you know it's wrong?

[thorny steeple]

ok, there is a concept of Bigfoot, and do you think he exists not as a concept but as an existence it itself?

now replace the bigfoot with god and answer me

[turbid ivy]

what makes what Onan did was wrong?

[turbid ivy]

So you dont know anything?

[winter echo]

Well, religion will give you a better guide on being a good person, plus the promise of paradise

[fresh flower]

You can tell that Nobu doesn't know much about Christianity because he can't defend it without asking questions in return

[cedar oar]

He used somebody for his gain

[turbid ivy]

How is that wrong? How it's wrong?

[cedar oar]

Of course I do, but I don't consider there to be sin or virtue

[thorny steeple]

No idea about that! I thought it people like to read books with picture and many tells that books or, stories without a story r kinda boring. 𝙰𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎𝚢, 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚔𝚒𝚍𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝙸 𝚌𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚊 𝚕𝚊𝚍𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚋𝚎𝚊𝚞𝚝𝚒𝚏𝚞𝚕 𝚏𝚊𝚌𝚎. 𝚈𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚊𝚝 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚜𝚝 𝚜𝚑𝚘𝚠 𝚜𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚝𝚞𝚍𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚎.

[cedar oar]

It's wrong because I adhere to a philosophy which believes it is, not because it's a fundamental universal law

[turbid ivy]

How is that wrong?

[turbid ivy]

What makes your belief right?

[cedar oar]

How is that related to what I said?

[plain ruin]

@turbid ivy ?

[cedar oar]

Nothing. We're just arguing

[turbid ivy]

it;s very much, how is that wrong what Onan did

[thorny steeple]

thats that philosophy?

[fresh flower]

He'll keep asking you questions like that, why are you talking about Christianity with a Hindu?

[turbid ivy]

So there is nothing wrong and right?

[cedar oar]

I just told you. #🧠｜serious-chat message

[turbid ivy]

Again im asking what makes your openion right?

[winter echo]

I kind of agree with her, it's too long and cheesy

[cedar oar]

Exactly. It's all subjective, which I suppose makes this argument quite useless, but I am bored

[cedar oar]

I just told you that too: #🧠｜serious-chat message

[turbid ivy]

Ok then if i abuse you, according to me it's right?

[cedar oar]

What?

[plain ruin]

Nobu why'd you stop replying to me💀

[turbid ivy]

That means you cant know what is wrong and right, so what objection do you have about God? And why should i care about your openion when dont even know what is wrong and right?

[turbid ivy]

If i abuse you lets say i beat you with a rod, can you justify it's wrong?

[winter echo]

So, if I scammed you of your entire savings, it's right?

[thorny steeple]

𝙱𝚞𝚝 𝙸 𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚞𝚐𝚑𝚝 𝚒𝚝 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚐𝚘𝚘𝚍. 𝙸 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢𝚜𝚎𝚕𝚏. 𝙸𝚏 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚎𝚜 𝚙𝚘𝚒𝚗𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚙𝚘𝚒𝚗𝚝, 𝙸 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚔 𝚒𝚝 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚎𝚡𝚌𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚎𝚗𝚝.

[winter echo]

Where's nobu?

[plain ruin]

@turbid ivy is nobu

[cedar oar]

I don't believe there is any virtue or sin, but that doesn't mean I can't establish standards of decency for adherence. My objection about God is his contradictory nature, about being all-merciful yet also acting contrary to that quality

[winter echo]

Wow

[cedar oar]

Can I say that it's wrong? Not really, but by the standard I have adopted, I'd consider it wrong

[turbid ivy]

can you vc

[cedar oar]

Nope

[turbid ivy]

why not

[winter echo]

There's no sincerity in that.
Which I'm afraid make it useless

[rain lava]

I dont think u get it.. i do know theres god BUT IDK WHICH GOD 😭

[fresh flower]

Bro always assumes everyone is as unemployed as him

[cedar oar]

@formal pilot, get over here, you'd love this

[cedar oar]

That shouldn't matter

[plain ruin]

He's back @fresh flower

[rain lava]

Yeah but some of them is hmm not my type.

[fresh flower]

Holy fuck

[turbid ivy]

it does, let's have a vc

[thorny steeple]

@rain lava 𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙸 𝚔𝚗𝚠 𝚞 𝚛 𝚊 𝚖𝚊𝚕𝚎♂️ 𝚠𝚑𝚘'𝚜 𝚏𝚊𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚐𝚎𝚗𝚍𝚎𝚛 𝚑𝚎𝚛𝚎. 𝚄 𝚑𝚊𝚟 𝚊 𝚍*𝚌𝚔 𝚕𝚘𝚕.

[fresh flower]

9 fucking hours in vc holy shit

[rain lava]

Yeah u can assume that 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[cedar oar]

I refuse. I prefer text

[winter echo]

Islam, Christianity?

[cedar oar]

But I suppose it'd be futile anyway. We are going in circles

[fresh flower]

Christianity says that you should go out and do good, this guy ignores it and stays in vc

[plain ruin]

9?

[fresh flower]

Bro's camping💀💀💀

[plain ruin]

do you know the Romans 16:19 song bro

[winter echo]

Who's that?

[rain lava]

Hes saying abt me

[rain lava]

Idk theres alot of religion here

[fresh flower]

You're all female or male

[thorny steeple]

If you r a female♀️ hw come u not get impressed???

[fresh flower]

I'm Gmail we are not the same

[cedar oar]

Well, I've got go again. I'll be back!

[winter echo]

Is that your logic?

[fresh flower]

Good luck bro hopefully you come to your senses and stop discussing Christianity with a Hindu🙏🏻

[rain lava]

Bc , its not impressive

[formal pilot]

I hope you aren't discussing a serious matter with mighty Nobu

[cerulean pivot]

Insta ads want me to convert

[winter echo]

They are the main ones,
Try to give them a chance

[fresh flower]

Fire outfit to wear while drunk driving

[plain ruin]

Quiet, hotmail is speaking

[thorny steeple]

Who else @sasha must be a male♂️ I assume. She has a b*ner.

[cerulean pivot]

Fr like who would seriously wear ts

[formal pilot]

My insta will take me to hell

[plain ruin]

Nobu infected your phone's cookies with his website

[winter echo]

@turbid ivy have you get over your imagery ex?

[cedar oar]

Back again

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah that's definitely something nobu would wear

[winter echo]

That's blasphemous

[cedar oar]

Is that Nobu?

[rain lava]

Can i laugh..

[cerulean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-gif-23499473

[thorny steeple]

I just call u O lady of beautiful face! Aren't you happy if someone calls u pretty? And btw Am I Handsome?

[cedar oar]

How Blasphemous!

[cerulean pivot]

Very

[rain lava]

Ah thankyou thankyou. U just said that i got dik though…

[cedar oar]

Bill, come back here, damn it

[winter echo]

Nah

[cerulean pivot]

Isn't sandy a girl's name

[thorny steeple]

@rain lava AM I HANDSOME???

[fresh flower]

💀

[thorny steeple]

@cerulean pivot I'm a 👮cop, I'm srry 2 say but you're under-digital arrest🚨.Your name has been listed in the criminal records. You r wanted by the law. YOU R WANTED! I'm gonna have to handcuffs you.

You're a criminal now. you have been charged for a bank robbery crime🙅💢 You have been captured on a CCTV-Footage.Your case is vry strong, I suggest u hired an Advocate(lawyer) or, else you will regret hard, U will be behind the bars soon.

[cerulean pivot]

Very indian behavior

[thorny steeple]

Your a believer

[winter echo]

You!
Go easy on Indians

[thorny steeple]

Look at my cop I'm going to jail dawg

😭

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure about covenantal obedience but when was such an action declared a crime, for Onan to have commited? Do excuse my straying from the argument, but I've aleeady had a lengthy argument about it with somebody else and would like some variety

[cerulean pivot]

You are
Mentally

And say this racist word

[cedar oar]

Zenax, have you any idea who Nobu is?

[cerulean pivot]

You're not any better than them

[shell hemlock]

his mic is really bad btw

[winter echo]

Hihihihi

[cerulean pivot]

He uses different accounts and names

Idk who is he now

[thorny steeple]

O sry buddy! But I'm not a racist...

[fresh flower]

Is it like choppy?💀

[cedar oar]

Is it the guy I argued with? It was at first confusing and I couldn't figure out who it was

[shell hemlock]

sound like he is in microwave and echo-ey

[cedar oar]

It might be Goofy

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah his name is "Goofy" now

[cedar oar]

Well, then I suppose @formal pilot got his Worst vs. Nobu

[fresh flower]

I cannot talk to people with a mic like that

[thorny steeple]

@cerulean pivot HW did I even look like an Indian to you?

[cerulean pivot]

Mentally

[fresh flower]

My friend has a mic where every time he says a word that has an S in it, it goes sharp as shit and stabs your ears

[cerulean pivot]

How delightful

[sweet wolf]

Be nice to him he's a 5'6 nepali security guard

[fresh flower]

Bs bs bs bs

[sweet wolf]

we fight with facts not with his financial situation

[fresh flower]

Bs bs meow

[fresh flower]

😭😭😭

[thorny steeple]

Man! Nw u r insulting me. Not good. I'm intelligent, smart, cunning, young, handsome and I RESPECT WOMEN📢📢📢

[fresh flower]

I like this guy

[shell hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/subway-surfers-gif-9012662

[sweet wolf]

I get 3 of you in reels with 5 views and one comment

[cerulean pivot]

You've just accused someone of having a dik

[thorny steeple]

Oh where did sasha goes??? I think she's desperate for me. And she must be blushing.

[sweet wolf]

Subway surfer security guy will not have his name tarnished by the likes of him

[fresh flower]

This lowkey us twin

We both gawads

[cerulean pivot]

Lowkey

[cerulean pivot]

I ain't yet

[sweet wolf]

what's a gawad

[fresh flower]

No idea tbh

[thorny steeple]

Man it's just kidding! Just cutting jokes man.

[cerulean pivot]

A pimp

[sweet wolf]

gawad my balls

[hidden shore]

his job is security guard?

[fresh flower]

I just know it's an Arab insult

[sweet wolf]

a gawad named slickback

[cerulean pivot]

a guy who has a lot of prostitutes

[shell hemlock]

i mean... least the subway surfer security guard chunky

hey

😂

[fresh flower]

That's neither one of us 😭🙏🏻

[plain ruin]

Gawad = Pimp

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah fr

[plain ruin]

Nah bro you pimping Carpe

[hidden shore]

corn star, it is a great job, you just fuck and fuck

[fresh flower]

We're ALL going to Karbala in 2026

[sweet wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-door-gif-22997957

[rain lava]

Idk. Just try to be a good human.

[cerulean pivot]

But It's sinful

[hidden shore]

one of my friends he joins a corn industry, he said he had been sex with thousand of girls

[sweet wolf]

Speak for yourself see you in Agartha ✌️

[fresh flower]

Ngl I'm starting to feel bad for lily

[winter echo]

Bro, you're getting pathetic, please move on 😭

[rain lava]

Facts ?

[fresh flower]

Bro gets jumped the moment she gets here💀

[rain lava]

Ignore an idiot

[shell hemlock]

you couldn't sleep at night cuz you were thinking about me ? i'm flattered but that is haram of you

[rain lava]

[hidden shore]

when he is satisfied , he does not care

[hidden shore]

yes

[thorny steeple]

𝘼𝙏𝙏𝙀𝙉𝙏𝙄𝙊𝙉²📢 𝙀𝙑𝙀𝙍𝙔𝙊𝙉𝙀 𝙏𝙢𝙧𝙧𝙬 𝙞𝙨 𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙬𝙚𝙙𝙙𝙞𝙣𝙜👰💍🤵💒 (𝙈𝙚 & 𝙨𝙖𝙨𝙝𝙖) 𝙀𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙚𝙡𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙚🎉

[rain lava]

Bruh im so irritated

[winter echo]

Hahaha 😂

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[winter echo]

And then commit suicide at the end

[hidden shore]

a well known corn star Might earn $500 - $1,000 for their first scene, if she makes 10 scene, which is like above 10,000 dollar

[thorny steeple]

𝗧𝗵𝗮𝘁'𝘀 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗲! She is shy to accept in public but inside she's truly desperate for me. Btw AM I HANDSOME?

[thorny steeple]

You're 21 and you don't know your theist or atheist? 😭😭😭🙏🙏

[hidden shore]

you can not stop people to make money tho

[rain lava]

How being 21 had anything to do with tht ? I dont understand you lol

[winter echo]

You gotta ask the advice of mia khalifa

[hidden shore]

how did you know her

[thorny steeple]

She's my Mom

[hidden shore]

bruhh just watched her whole videos before

[winter echo]

News

[hidden shore]

[thorny steeple]

You got me

[winter echo]

Really?

[shell hemlock]

normal

[turbid ivy]

join the vc

[plain ruin]

Yes, its the same guy

[winter echo]

Fucking coward, you didn't say anything

[turbid ivy]

Join the vc coward if you dare

[thorny steeple]

Yh Honorable Miss Mia-Khalifa is my Mom & Ryan driller my dad, and my step mom Alina Lopez.

[hidden shore]

? really

[cedar oar]

Can't do. I'm also quite exhausted of repeating my points. But it will likely resolve with the issue of subjective morality

[formal pilot]

Down is near

[winter echo]

I hereby banish you from #🧠｜serious-chat

[turbid ivy]

I wanna know how do you know what you know

[cedar oar]

Down?

[thorny steeple]

Ohhh... Siblings 👥

[winter echo]

Sure, let's go together

[sharp beacon]

If u got the choice to become either an ai specialist or a doctor what would you choose and why ?
Can anyone answer?

[rain lava]

Good to know

[formal pilot]

Day of judgment

[thorny steeple]

Which one are you?

[cedar oar]

Again, it's a subjective philo- oh, God, damn it, Bill, can you explain moral relativism?

[cedar oar]

It has already come. We're the leftovers

[turbid ivy]

That's what i wanna know, come up

[rain lava]

Atheist and theist

[thorny steeple]

Btw r u ok, to friend with me(I'm the son of Honorable Miss Mia-Khalifa btw).

[thorny steeple]

You can't be atheist and theist at the same time that's a contradiction

[rain lava]

Not okay. Next question

[rain lava]

Well i choose both now

[cedar oar]

If you want, I'll explain to you my moral position one more time:

I don't believe there exists a true, universal moral standard that is a fundamental law; rather, humans invent their own and adhere to whatever they want. Excuse the sloppiness if there is any: I am tired of repetition

[thorny steeple]

I'm gonna cry 😭😭😭😭

[shell hemlock]

i'm very sorry you're being cornered/forced to fit into a belief @rain lava u should take ur time figuring it out instead of rushing

[thorny steeple]

Ok I respect you! Am I Handsome??? Honest answer pls.

[thorny steeple]

@formal pilot she's calling herself atheist and theist at the same time

[cedar oar]

Now that warrants a mute, I believe

[thorny steeple]

Least serious question in serious chat

[turbid ivy]

What do you know in exactly

Abdul is shattering @winter echo

[rain lava]

Thankyou for the understanding 🥰🥰

[thorny steeple]

𝘼𝙈 𝙄 𝙃𝘼𝙉𝘿𝙎𝙊𝙈𝙀? 𝘐'𝘔 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨👑 𝘰𝘧 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 🤫🤫🤫

[cedar oar]

You personally insulted me. I'm not going to restate my points—you can read them above

[turbid ivy]

Okk then you tell me, what do you know?

[rain lava]

Should I respond

[cedar oar]

Well, I suppose the fallacy should have been detected but I like to assume good faith

[turbid ivy]

Do you know anything?

[arctic heart]

I’m Omnist

[thorny steeple]

𝘠𝘩 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘯𝘰𝘵? 𝘗𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘨𝘰 𝘰𝘯.

[turbid ivy]

@winter echo was shattering in a vc sweating profously and left

crazy i aint scary

[cedar oar]

What about you, @thorny steeple, what's your position?

[turbid ivy]

😭

[rain lava]

Are you indian ?

[winter echo]

You caught me off guard, but worry, I'll go and think deeply about it

[cedar oar]

So you have been reading our argument! How nice. I believe it's a double-standard for God to exact such treatment

[thorny steeple]

ᴏ ɢᴏᴅ! ᴡʜʏ ᴀᴍ ɪ sᴏ ʜᴀɴᴅsᴏᴍᴇ??? ᴇᴠᴇʀʏᴏɴᴇ ɪs sᴏ ᴊᴇᴀʟᴏᴜs.

[turbid ivy]

Lol ok, can you send someone smarter than you to talk about it

[turbid ivy]

like @shell hemlock

[winter echo]

Let's go back

[thorny steeple]

ɴᴏᴘᴇ🙅 ʜᴡ ᴅɪᴅ ɪ ᴇᴠᴇɴ ʟᴏᴏᴋ ʟɪᴋᴇ ᴀɴ ɪɴᴅɪᴀɴ ᴛᴏ ᴜ ᴍᴀᴍ?

[turbid ivy]

let's go back where?

[winter echo]

Vc

[turbid ivy]

If that's what you want then sure

[thorny steeple]

𝙸𝚜 𝚋𝚎𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝙷𝚊𝚗𝚍𝚜𝚘𝚖𝚎 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚜𝚒𝚍𝚎𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚊 𝚌𝚛𝚒𝚖𝚎? 𝙊 𝙂𝙤𝙙, 𝙬𝙝𝙮 𝘼𝙢 𝙄 𝙨𝙤 𝙃𝙖𝙣𝙙𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚?

[turbid ivy]

[rain lava]

Try ask that here #💭｜general

[thorny steeple]

Later, But Indians doesn't look like asians.

[rain lava]

Indian is asian

😭

Bro

[shell hemlock]

you believe in god but u don't know the god of what religion right sister ?

[thorny steeple]

Oh sorry you're right. They are south asians. But I mean that in general sense when the West people refers to asians, they relate to someone who is from east Asia or, south east Asia. Btw what abt u? R u an Indian btw?

[arctic heart]

Indian

Who is Indian here……

[high raven]

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding what you're asking but it was never declared a human crime in that sense, it was judged as a sin by God alone

[thorny steeple]

@high raven r u same person from Sorael–free speech server?

[high raven]

No idea what that is

[cedar oar]

Honestly, I'm quite exhausted arguing about Onan and would like to argue about the plagues later

[subtle geyser]

Was god still around during the dinosaur era

[thorny steeple]

Oh that's fine! It's an another discord server for freedom of speech including debates. I met @sanaa there too so I just asked, I guess so u r a different individual.

[high raven]

I don't engage in arguments regarding religion, if you do have any more questions later I don't mind answering them

[high raven]

There is no freedom of speech on discord

[cedar oar]

It wouldn't hurt to ask why a merciful and just God punished the entirety of Egypt for their leader's crime

[thorny steeple]

Yh agree... but to some extent.

[cedar oar]

Or that verse in Numbers about killing the Midianites

[turbid ivy]

What's the problem with that? Since you dont know what is wrong and right, im sure you dont have any problem with that, do you?

@plain ruin Ohh so how evil is a creation?

[plain ruin]

North Eastern Indians do have similarities to East Asians in appearance

[torpid dirge]

I'm indian wtf do you want

[plain ruin]

You don't answer my question, I'm still waiting on it
#🧠｜serious-chat message

From here you stopped replying to me for almost an hour now, while talking to other people

[cursive bobcat]

@turbid ivy Discussions and criticism is allowed if it’s respectful and non-targeted.

[turbid ivy]

in a sense their nature is ordered towards goodness like llife, reason and happiness

[simple prawn]

Chicken Curry…

[turbid ivy]

I was replying to the another guy and the mean time another muslim was dming me, and i went to vc him. and when he ran away i came back

[torpid dirge]

What ?

[turbid ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229654941828780073/1301592431829061653/image0-2.gif

[sweet wolf]

The discord ham deepens...

[plain ruin]

okay, so goodness is defined by promoting life, reason and happiness, corect?

[turbid ivy]

sure

[turbid ivy]

ok, now, how evil is a creation? How it can be created?

[simple prawn]

I’m hungry, you asked what I wanted…

[torpid dirge]

disobeyed by God

That's what evil mean

[simple prawn]

Why is it so?

[turbid ivy]

How Can God disobey? Disoby him?

[high raven]

Are you referring to Exodus 12? I'm not sure where you got that the entirety of Egypt would be punished, the text says all Egyptian firstborn males died, they were struck as symbols of Pharaoh’s authority and Egypt’s collective opposition to God, representing the leadership and lineage sustaining oppression

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-smile-best-laugh-thats-funny-gif-8282901

[thorny steeple]

Frfr

[plain ruin]

okay, i'll ask you a couple of questions to explain my point now
God created hot and cold, right, i.e. he created temperature, correct?

[thorny steeple]

Prove god

[arctic heart]

Yo you got thalapathy vijay in pfp

VTK

[turbid ivy]

Sure, he created the weather

[torpid dirge]

Sorry, he disobeyed god that's why

[simple prawn]

I am one.

[turbid ivy]

Ok, but that's not created by God

[thorny steeple]

Can you create SMTH out of nothing?

[simple prawn]

I can convert water into piss.

[thorny steeple]

So can i

What marks you the god

[simple prawn]

You’re a god too.

[thorny steeple]

😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏

[simple prawn]

My word.

[cedar oar]

The plagues afflicted the entirety of Egypt, no?

[plain ruin]

I'm not talking about weather
I'm talking about temperature

Science determines "hot" and "cold" via the kinetic energy of an atom
i.e. atoms that move fast are hot, and atoms that move slow are cold

So, he created hot and cold, right?

[thorny steeple]

What's that? I never saw any Indian who looks asians not ever before???

[torpid dirge]

Bro let's suppose your statement for one minute so tell me how tf evil created? By nature? Or was he someone's lost sperm going around on earth?

[thorny steeple]

Can temperature exist without god?

Yes it can

[simple prawn]

In my ass yes.

[torpid dirge]

Materialistic things can't be compromised with god

[turbid ivy]

Hot and cold depends on matter, like hotness depends on fire, and coldness depnds on ice right?

[thorny steeple]

@plain ruin is Sasha Indian girl??? Did you know?

[plain ruin]

North Eastern indians = Indians from the North Eastern states of India

[turbid ivy]

When did i claim evil as a creation? Crazy strawman

[thorny steeple]

Yea bc one of them exists other dont

[shell hemlock]

what do you think an asian look like 💀

[thorny steeple]

Evil is a concept created by humans

[turbid ivy]

never seen you before, we dont know lol

[gloomy lichen]

God created everything including the moral order, human nature, and the knowledge of every choice then sin exists only because God made a world where sin is possible and certain

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I will check on internet later. Never knew asians look like exists in India too.

[turbid ivy]

how did you know

[thorny steeple]

That's an assertion

[torpid dirge]

You told him he's created by human ? Like imaginary illusion? Wtf ?

[thorny steeple]

Can you prove god exists

[turbid ivy]

Did he create sin?

[gloomy lichen]

yes

[turbid ivy]

when did i say that?

[turbid ivy]

source?

[thorny steeple]

Can god do everything?

[gloomy lichen]

logic.
God created everything, therefor...

[plain ruin]

Hot and cold depends on the speed at which the matter moves, for example in fire, the atoms move at a high speed which is perceived by us as "heat"
In ice, the atoms don't move at a high speed, this is cold

We feel hot near a fire because we're feeling atoms that are moving faster than our own atoms are
We feel cold near ice because our atoms move faster than ice, we're feeling our energy being transferred to the ice

So, he created hot and cold, and temperature, right?

[turbid ivy]

Define everything?

[thorny steeple]

Oh! I mean that people with features look similar to east asians or, southeast asian.

[thorny steeple]

That's not logic, that's an assertion

Can you demonstrate god created everything

[turbid ivy]

So you do agree that the hotness and the coldness are the properties of matter?

[gloomy lichen]

I am not religious. But as far as I recall, bible says so

[shell hemlock]

indians are south asians

[plain ruin]

did god define those properties? or did he just create matter?

[turbid ivy]

Every + thing , prove that evil is a thing?

[thorny steeple]

How can I know the Bible is true?

[arctic heart]

Indians getting offended for saying Indian

[turbid ivy]

How is that relevent, do you undersand that the hontess is the property of matter? so does coldness, if you dont agree, lemme know

[thorny steeple]

Indians get offended when distriminnated

[arctic heart]

im indian too

[thorny steeple]

That's racism

[plain ruin]

So he created matter which has said properties... correct?

[thorny steeple]

@plain ruin Bro I just searched in the internet. What are they Indians really??? They look like thai, Vietnamese etc. Mostly southeast asians lols. I didn't think they are Indians.

[turbid ivy]

Every matter has properties

[plain ruin]

Well... They live in India, they have Indian birth certificates and Indian passports, yes

[thorny steeple]

Ok

[turbid ivy]

Can anything come out of nothing?

[plain ruin]

Can't god create matter without properties? You have to be specific, your claim is that God is omnipotent, therefore he should define what properties matter has, no?

[high raven]

Only if you read it literally. Our interpretations are theological and moral, we see the plagues as judgment on leadership, oppression, and collective disobedience, not as literal punishment of every individual, since the text doesn't claim it and only specifies groups or classes that were targeted

[simple prawn]

Why are we discussing God now?

[thorny steeple]

Idk

[turbid ivy]

Matter is called the matter because it has certain peroperties, otherise it cant be called a matter, for instance, fire, it has properites like flame, heatness and so on

[turbid ivy]

have you seen anything that comes out of nothing?

[simple prawn]

In some cases no.

[torpid dirge]

Bro everything means all of nature , universe and especially his creation human being and don't argue with evolutionary reason behind it becoz everything has start point and created by someone it's not just evolve automatically

[turbid ivy]

such as?

[thorny steeple]

Thank you! Bcuz of you I discovered something new never knew about that before. But their ancestors might be asians I guess. Also, they are genetically asians.

[plain ruin]

Your assertion is that matter has these properties just because it has properties...?
Again... Did god not create matter...?

[turbid ivy]

So, you meant everything as essence, right?

[plain ruin]

Asians aren't only defined by east asia

[thorny steeple]

Nope

[thorny steeple]

Correct in terms of geographical sense. But I mean that the West people when they say asians, they refer to east asians and southeast Asians. I hope you got my point.

[cedar oar]

While it is a valid interpretation, I do quite dislike it as it appears to ignore "the obvious" (but there is no such thing, I admit)

[turbid ivy]

God created matters, the matter is called the matter because it possess the essential properties to be the matter.
SInce, fire is the matter, heatness flames. are the proeprites of the fire. God created fire with their properties.

Now, how can God create evil since evil is not a substance?

[turbid ivy]

Then the universe is caused by something atleast?

[thorny steeple]

Ido

Idk

Idk anything before bigbang

[turbid ivy]

What caused bigbang?

[thorny steeple]

Idk

[turbid ivy]

Cool, so science doesnt answer every questions?

[plain ruin]

Matter is a human word, did god not define the properties of matter as well...?
"God created fire with their properties"...
So God created fire, and the properties of fire (or he gave the properties of fire to fire)?

[thorny steeple]

Idk cus when science discovers an answer it creates 10 more questions

Where did she go??? @its me sasha!

[turbid ivy]

God created the fire.. fires has essential properties to be the fire, when i say fire, im encluding it as a whole, because without the properteis of the fire like flame and heatness, the wouldnt remain as fire.

So Yeah God created fire

[thorny steeple]

She always vanish. Sasha come back.

[torpid dirge]

Yess it's and ik you somehow acknowledge it but can't admit however if god doesn't exist so how tf do you think he doesn't?

[turbid ivy]

Science doenst answer all questions, infact it point towards God

[plain ruin]

again... so he created hot and cold... temperature...

[turbid ivy]

what?

[thorny steeple]

That's a fallacy

[turbid ivy]

yes

[thorny steeple]

Argument to ignorance

[turbid ivy]

which is?

[plain ruin]

If he didn't create the properties of the flame and heat... it wouldn't be fire, so he gave it those properties, himself

[torpid dirge]

How would you disapprove god existence?

[shell hemlock]

why r u obsessed with her

[turbid ivy]

In a sense he created them sure

[viscid ferry]

I am an atheist. Is anyone atheist here?

[thorny steeple]

Your answer is bc we don't know science has an answer before bigbang, it must be god

[turbid ivy]

God exists, i cant

[turbid ivy]

that's not what im saying, do you have a better logical answer?

[thorny steeple]

Which is out of ignorance

[thorny steeple]

No she asked me a question and left in the middle, and I'M NOT INTO HER. SHE'S TRANS. BTW IS SHE AN INDIAN GIRL?

[torpid dirge]

So why tf im arguing with you

[turbid ivy]

idk

[shell hemlock]

she's trans ? 💀

[thorny steeple]

The answer is I don't know, I'm gonna wait for the actual answer and not assert it was created by god

And also science doesn't prove to a god

[turbid ivy]

Where do you get that answer from

[high raven]

Literal narrative rarely takes precedence for us, the emphasis is on symbolic, covenantal and moral lessons. You'll most likely get a differing opinion on that from someone who belongs to a different denomination though

[thorny steeple]

Answer of wha

What

[plain ruin]

okay
then that's it right here
hot and cold by themselves aren't "physical creations", they are "concepts" used to determine how much kinetic energy the atom has, and he created the concept

its the same with good and evil, he created people with the concept of good
if he did not create people with the capability of being evil, then there wouldn't be "good" either, because the existence of something "good" necessitates the existence of something to "not be good" i.e. "be evil"

[torpid dirge]

That's why they said don't argue just observe and learn from their mistakes

[turbid ivy]

Is the hotness a mere concept?

[torpid dirge]

God bless you my friend

[shell hemlock]

@rain lava he is lying, right ?

[turbid ivy]

you too dude

[thorny steeple]

Trans woman or trans man

[rain lava]

Ignore an idiot..

[torpid dirge]

What religion are you into ?

[thorny steeple]

Even I'm confused🤔

[plain ruin]

is it not?
hotness/coldness is defined by the physical actions of the atoms
the same way that evilness/goodness is defined by the physical actions of humans

[thorny steeple]

@rain lava hey! U r back... Btw where did u left in the middle?

[shell hemlock]

yeah, i can tell he is trolling

[rain lava]

This should result you in getting muted. Spreading false information of an individual

[torpid dirge]

Mentally action laughing at the corner

[plain ruin]

he created beings with the potential to do good and bad, before, no being could do good, nor bad

[turbid ivy]

hotness is not a merely coneptual that exists in our mind, the hotness really exists in a hot object or in a fire.

[viscid ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/charliebushnell-charlie-bushnell-lukecastellan-luke-castellan-pjo-gif-4347993817402421703

[torpid dirge]

What do you want

[thorny steeple]

Hotness is a measurement of SMTH being cold or hot

@rain lava R u an Indian girl Sasha???

[plain ruin]

hotness doesn't "exist"
hotness is a concept based on physical perception/measurement of atoms kinetic energy
kinetic energy of atoms "really exists"
hotness/coldness is a concept

[thorny steeple]

Sasha

More like zaza

[turbid ivy]

So the fire is not hot but it's a mere concept?

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple is an she Indian girl?

[viscid ferry]

nothing

[rain lava]

No

[thorny steeple]

Idk

[thorny steeple]

Annabelle

[torpid dirge]

Bro has mixed human psychology+ physics concept

How crazy it's

[thorny steeple]

I'm unconvinced any god exist

[thorny steeple]

Then r u white? or, asian as well or, you r mixed?

[viscid ferry]

thats smart

[rain lava]

Asian

[torpid dirge]

No no everyone has some desire what's yours

[viscid ferry]

hello

[plain ruin]

Fire is hot, hotness itself isn't "physical"
Hotness is a measurement of kinetic energy, not the kinetic energy itself

Evil is a measurement of evil actions of a person, not evil actions itself

[viscid ferry]

I have a desire that is terrible, wild and lawless.

[rain lava]

Yup. Well you can say that but mostly im just choosing not to believe in anything and just be a good person

[fresh flower]

Ight bro that's it

[turbid ivy]

Is the fire acutally hot or the hotness is not in a fire but a mere concept?

Im asking is that a mere concept or the hotness really exists in the fire?

[torpid dirge]

Wanna do something wild and extreamly bad ?

[fresh flower]

Fuck wireless mice, I'm ordering a wired

[thorny steeple]

Ok, I was too feeling an asian vide. What asian r u?

[viscid ferry]

no

[fresh flower]

You could be outside rn spreading good deeds btw

[rain lava]

Don’t matter

[torpid dirge]

Why not

[viscid ferry]

no

[torpid dirge]

Wtf do you want

[torpid dirge]

Why not

[viscid ferry]

just no

[fresh flower]

Silence yellow role

[thorny steeple]

Olivander is indian

[thorny steeple]

Ok if you're not comfortable with it. East asian or, southeast Asian??? Alteast u can answer that.

[torpid dirge]

Current role explains everything

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple You r white?

[thorny steeple]

Nope

[fresh flower]

Average Eetwont work day

[torpid dirge]

Ik what kind of men you are @fresh flower

[rain lava]

Southeast asian. Btw this is a racism chat. Move it somewhere else

[viscid ferry]

Philippines

ik

[rain lava]

Nah

[plain ruin]

You're twisting it
Hotness doesn't exist "physically"
Atoms on their own aren't "hot", they move with high kinetic energy, which is perceived by us as "heat", hotness is a consequence of the speed/energy that matter holds rather than a physical thing
So, yes, hotness/coldness is a concept we use to measure the hotness that occurs in things such as fire, both statements are true, hotness is a concept, and hotness exists in fire
Same thing with us, good and evil are concepts, and they both exist in humans

[thorny steeple]

Girl... Don't be rude! I'm being respectful and I'M A GENTLEMAN 100% certified, and Most importantly I RESPECT WOMEN📢📢📢

[viscid ferry]

didnt you say that earlier

[torpid dirge]

Don't respect them as they didn't

[turbid ivy]

is that concept really rooted with the matter?

[torpid dirge]

Be a man have some gut to get on your feet don't fall for butterfly

[thorny steeple]

On I'm fine with them. They eventually fall for me at the very end.

[viscid ferry]

oh

[rain lava]

Since when im being rude ? Arent you the one accusing me of being transgender

[rain lava]

I did not

[torpid dirge]

Shame on men's community

[viscid ferry]

ig that was diff girl maybe not you

but pfp looked same

[thorny steeple]

Alright! Forget about that. YOU R A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, NOW r u happy??? Now fall in love💖 with me, U DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

[torpid dirge]

Are you men ?

[viscid ferry]

no

[viscid ferry]

[rain lava]

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-christian-bale-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-mad-gif-18161559

[thorny steeple]

Rajnikant

Aye

[thorny steeple]

I got your frustration. But even her being rude seems dear to me, cuz, she is going to be my fiance soon.

[viscid ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-smile-tiktok-joker-indian-joker-how-you-felt-after-saying-that-gif-2064343507292538793

[torpid dirge]

Where tf are you from ? Don't say India plz

[thorny steeple]

Lol! Not funny

[torpid dirge]

Vijay thalapathy

Ohh then it's all right

[viscid ferry]

you think you are funny?

[thorny steeple]

Both I'm serious+funny.

O DARLING WHERE DID YOU GO???

[viscid ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[wicked flax]

What's going here? Serious pants.

[torpid dirge]

@plain ruin tell me one thing why tf are you mixing human psychology with physics concept? Both aren't correlated with each other

Bro is like perception on other hand saying hot is a measurement of kinetic energy?

[thorny steeple]

I'm lonely without you Sasha my darling 💟💖💝💝💝 Accept my deep-feelings for you.

[turbid ivy]

why dont you get muted lol, when i even merely ping a girl, i get muted

[rain lava]

Mod need to be here

Im scared

[plain ruin]

It is, we have seen it, we have observed the relations of temperature and pressure and kinetic energy
So, back to the topic, you claimed that God created good, wouldn't that mean he created the concept of evil as well?
It's the same thing
Good cannot exist without evil, if god created something hot, then he created the possibility of something cold as well. If he created matter in a way that hotness and coldness cannot exist (given him being omnipotent), then he created matter without temperature... But he did create hot and cold, the same way, he did create "good", that's the same as creating "evil"
BUT, I think that God creating evil isn't wrong at all, if God created us because he wanted to do so, that's his choice, you could've said this to the other guy hours ago, instead of claiming "No he didnt create evil"
He created people with the potential of good and evil, this is people with free will
Which... he created
He gave people the "property" of being able to commit good actions and bad actions, even if the property isn't "physical"

[torpid dirge]

Why tf she's responding him

[thorny steeple]

Abey yaar

[plain ruin]

All your comments on the topic have shown me that you don't actually understand the analogy being made

[thorny steeple]

Bcuz, she is not a girl simple as that bro.

[thorny steeple]

Look at this harward ass

Hey what does the rainbow🌈 flag means?

[thorny steeple]

Rainbow

[wicked flax]

It is used to describe a "gay" individual.

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple I'm a simp sis! I'M A GENTLEMAN AND I RESPECT WOMEN📢📢📢

[turbid ivy]

im asking a simple question, you can respond it as yes or no, is the hotness a concept rooted with the matter?

[brittle ginkgo]

Anyone interest in Dropshipping business

[thorny steeple]

@wicked flax oh thank you for your kind info.

[wicked flax]

He/She is feeling uncomfortable don't talk to him/her like that, please!

[plain ruin]

Yes

It's a concept to measure what atoms move at

[thorny steeple]

Alright! Let's confirm from her.

[turbid ivy]

Then it's not a mere concept, since it's rooted with the actual matter

[wicked flax]

...

[thorny steeple]

What

[wicked flax]

Here's the confirmation.

[plain ruin]

So are good and evil not concepts? since god gave us free will, they're rooted in humans

[high raven]

This channel has turned into a cesspool

[plain ruin]

😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

when wasnt it

[thorny steeple]

Don't be scared, there is no reason for that! I'm here to protect you! LOL I'M JUST KIDDING WITH YOU, NOTHING SERIOUS.

[wicked flax]

Never talk to him/her like that, understood?

[turbid ivy]

Not mere concepts, these r rooted with actual substances,, Goodness is rooted with God who is a substance or a being, and evil is rooted with defects, or the privation of God.

[thorny steeple]

Sis I'm not into her.... I'm just cutting jokes man. Calm down.

[plain ruin]

then... explain the concept of the soul and conscience
are they physical or not?

[rain lava]

Im a her..

[plain ruin]

did god not created forces beyond matter as well?

[wicked flax]

Thanks for correcting me!

[plain ruin]

even if evil is rooted in defects/being against god, didn't he create the potential of humans to commit evil actions, by giving humans free will...?

matter isn't hot, it has the potential to become hot or become cold, depending on its enviornment