🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

animals are not in social contract with us bc they didnt show us they can think which is necessary to include them in social contract

[rain lava]

Should we be racist here

[thorny steeple]

thats why i dont add them in my wellbeing list

[steady vale]

not as much as France, where i live they almost do shootings every weeks because of drugs

[thorny steeple]

@abstract night does this make sense?

[steady vale]

Yes ! absolutely

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

if you wanna get banned

[plain ruin]

Yeah, because of trade
Previously the eastern arabian gulf countries like Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, used to be partially controlled by the British, it was easier for Indians to deal with those countries than anywhere else, because even after their independence from the British, they continued to use the Indian rupee, and manage to pay more rupees than Indian businesses would, in India
Indians are all over there, earlier generations of Indians assimilated very well with the local cultures, the newer generations immigrating from India are something else though

[thorny steeple]

the social contract is a species category

we make the exception bc a 1 yrd old baby won't be in this social contract

[plain ruin]

Yeah but rent is becoming a problem, people are moving to Portugal to avoid paying taxes in their country and also not pay taxes in Portugal, owning land and renting in any meaningful developed city is becoming harder and harder in Portugal

[thorny steeple]

the category is species

and able to perceive rights

but that dosnt follow the conslusion

rights need to be reciprocal to match the conclusion

if not then we arent talking about rights

they were thinking creatures, they can perceive rights

[steady vale]

why whats wrong with new gen indians ?

[steady vale]

its hard to become a owner everywhere in Europe atm, except in swiss

[thorny steeple]

Do you think unequal rights will create unequal power pedestal?

and do you think unequal pedastal is moral?

[rain lava]

So you are a racer

[rain lava]

I got muted once

[steady vale]

exactly

[thorny steeple]

everyones not winning if the rights are unjust

[rain lava]

Wherebu from

[thorny steeple]

thats the 1st primise

[steady vale]

France & u

[plain ruin]

Newer gen Indians (not the ones born locally, but the ones who immigrate directly from India) tend to have problems with assimilating abroad/understanding culture/laws, coming to India and getting to know the politics, its obvious that Indians used to be much more accepting of the idea of being a part of the world, now they want the world to be a part of them

[thorny steeple]

give me an example where unequal rights will end in well being of all

[high rapids]

Good morning

[thorny steeple]

morning aint good

[plain ruin]

Mmmm maybe, not sure
I haven't really been to Europe except for a few times myself, and I don't concern myself with news of the region really, for now

[rain lava]

Is your pfp represent India culture ?

[steady vale]

a model from sabyasachi yes

[rain lava]

This is so craz

[rain lava]

It looks cool ngl , but i wanna know what is that accessories

[high rapids]

True

[rain lava]

Its make me sick to my stomach to think about it. Ew

[thorny steeple]

unequal rights needs to be in the example*

theres no right which which a mother has to feed her babies

[steady vale]

well we have problems with assimilation from any kind of african countries too. There are islamic cities in France

[thorny steeple]

a mother has the option to send her child to orphan or feed baby formula

being able to understand rights

[steady vale]

Idrk tbh, indians uses a lot of names that i dont know for those jewels that idk

but you can find them on sabyasachi website

[plain ruin]

Yeah I get that, the EU forced mandatory asylum all over, without proper care taken to account for poorer education and aggression from these communities because of the violence in their own countries
It's pretty important for these people to firstly have mandatory assimilation classes or something of the sort, and for countries to control the issue at the countries of the asylum seekers itself, these 2 real solutions aren't ever talked about

[steady vale]

thats a really good idea 😂 , europe is a dead weight now economically we re akk crashung

[plain ruin]

Working along with Islamic leaders from the Gulf countries who assimilate well, would also help to assimilate muslims from those countries

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352

[thorny steeple]

your example confuses care with rights, parents feed babies out of responsibility and empathy, not cause the baby lacks rights

[steady vale]

i think we just have people with incompatible culture with ours

[plain ruin]

Not exactly wrong though

[thorny steeple]

thats why i said its a category of species who are able to percieve rights

[plain ruin]

Context matters a lot

[thorny steeple]

i again told you, a mother has no legal and moral obligation if she chooses to give it to orphanage

i said both

[thorny steeple]

@abstract night

[plain ruin]

I wouldn't agree at all, since I've visited some of those countries and lived with many Muslims in Kuwait
It's entirely possible to live together, generally muslims outside the arabian gulf countries, tend to not follow the religion the same way as the gulfies do, for example
They don't have the same level of hierarchy that the catholic church has, for example, which makes grouping "muslims" together as problematic
Each country has their own teachers who all have various interpretations of the scripture that they use for their own gain

[steady vale]

yes its possible with muslims "who dont follow religions", with muslims who follows their religion its different

[thorny steeple]

ok

yes

[uncut tiger]

@fresh flower Wake up bro time to show me Sweden

[thorny steeple]

wait

i would alive a species of mamoth if i could

im saying if homo neaderthals where here and able to perceive rights then theyll be in the social contract

how is it absurd?

[plain ruin]

Muslims inside the gulf do follow their religion very closely with the most official interpretations of their religion, and assimilate well/allow the assimilation of Europeans
I wouldn't say that outside the educated arabian region, that they follow "Islam" the same way that they do in the Gulf
The Gulf regions are less forceful on religion, they have issues with people based on ethnicity which is a problem on its own, but they don't care/force Islam upon others, like the people from other "muslim countries" do

[thorny steeple]

are they not in my social contract if they can comprehend rights

?

im not a vegan

i can alive a mamoth too why do you think its absurd tho?

if i have a way

im a non veagn

whats that supposed to mean?

[steady vale]

Gulf regions also fund terrorist in Africa, they just appear more clean to sell their oil. Because USA, Europe, China etc have more money to spend on oil than other muslim countries

[feral river]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/10/22/north-korea-fires-unidentified-ballistic-missiles-towards-east-sea-seoul

Hail Supreme Leader 🇰🇵 Kim Jong Un

[steady vale]

We shouldnt forget that in the Quran there are verses like 9:5 or 9:29 who calls to kill christians & polytheist

[thorny steeple]

nope

[cerulean pivot]

Most underrated leader in humans history
The west will never understand him

[steady vale]

Therefore our culture are incompatible as we are "associators" for them

[thorny steeple]

slavery was immoral all the time, its just people back in the days didnt know that

[frozen cape]

I hope Odin and Ares would save me from harm

[steady vale]

odin wont save you from crazy north africans

[thorny steeple]

if you wanna know whats wrong wiht slavery? ask the slaves

[rain lava]

Wait south korea still in beef with north?

[thorny steeple]

its the opposite

[cerulean pivot]

Are you fr

[rain lava]

This is scary bc im planning to go to korea

[rain lava]

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/yeonjun-reaction-txt-yeonjun-shock-yeonjun-confused-gif-17641066178188627858

[rain lava]

IM FR

[steady vale]

only at the borders

[thorny steeple]

rip pinkstar

[frozen cape]

You're right, I've yet to perform the required animal sacrifices

[rain lava]

Didnt i just saw kim jong un shakes hand with south korea

[steady vale]

unless you try to cross from south to north you shouldnt have problems

[rain lava]

imagine living in north korea..

[cerulean pivot]

Must be like heaven

[steady vale]

muslims were practicing slavery before there were any powerful christian countries

[cerulean timber]

Relax, everyone. South Korea is going to send EXO and BTS to battle North Korea.!!

[steady vale]

we invented nothing

[cerulean timber]

LETS GOOOOOO

[obtuse remnant]

Hi

[uncut tiger]

Meatballs in breakfast... Again

I will fly to Switzerland today

[cerulean pivot]

Balls in breakfast
Must be something

[thorny steeple]

nope if we alive mammot somehow, it wont be in social contract, but a neanderthal would be in social contract

[quartz sentinel]

ngnl

[uncut tiger]

@fresh flower Made them for me

[cerulean pivot]

Ohh don't woory diaz is a civilized person
He only eat soybeans that's shaped like meat to save the environment ❤️‍🩹🙏🏻

[tiny apex]

First American then Pakistani now European

[cerulean pivot]

And he's gay too
For the environment

[tiny apex]

I think you’re describing yourself

[uncut tiger]

I eat camel hump fat with spoon 🥄

[cerulean pivot]

I think you

[cerulean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/yakub-glaze-lebron-james-lebron-gif-7450672780557101522

[plain ruin]

Not entirely true nor false, but imo they're often given the short end of the stick on this themselves
The problem also lies in why these groups exist, how they're getting funded mostly relies on networks that are being shut down more and more overtime, including by the Gulf countries
In my opinion, if they stayed in their place and did a revolution, they can run a better system. Some of the conditions they live in (in their own countries) are war-torn, and they weaponize scripture to fight other people who also follow their own scripture, so that they can claim that they're better.
Most of these countries, people don't even understand arabic, they can read it, but not understand it, which is a conflict when it comes to their religion

[cerulean pivot]

Good morning 🌅

[tiny apex]

Don’t you start this again

[quartz sentinel]

Australian didn't like that bro

[tiny apex]

My forehead is small Zenax

[thorny steeple]

start what

[cerulean pivot]

You'll never get accepted in Europe

[tall elm]

*ppl
Islam did encourages someone to do it even tho some ways to make allah forgive in our religion is by free a slave

[tiny apex]

Why are you debating vegans

[cerulean pivot]

I will believe that Minecraft is white Chinese and never believe this

[steady vale]

Mashallah gonna free 5 slave to grind hassanat

[thorny steeple]

i was debating morality

[uncut tiger]

First I went to america on my H1B, but then they caught me stealing from a black dude so I got deported to Pakistan. And after that I applied for the Schengen, now I will do a grand tour of Europe

[tall elm]

u are muslim or just making fun? cuz i can't tell 🗿

[tiny apex]

Is this you?

[cerulean pivot]

"Stealing from black dude"
They should reward you

[cerulean pivot]

No unfortunately
I wish I was

[steady vale]

im just making fun

[uncut tiger]

Bro fr I thought it would be legal cuz the victim was black

[tiny apex]

Don’t get deported from Switzerland now 😭

[tall elm]

don't use to do this

[steady vale]

dont use what ?

[plain ruin]

That has moreso to do with conditions to allow Christians and Polytheists live in "Muslim lands", by paying the "jizya", rather than "kill them everywhere you see them"
Otherwise I, an ex-catholic, would have to be killed in Kuwait
But well, they have given churches to christians and the vatican embassy too, and they allow hindus, etc.

[cerulean pivot]

He'll use a cheese wheel as a wheel

[uncut tiger]

I'll just move to Italy then
And after that Germany
Then Finland

[quartz sentinel]

morality only exist when there are consequences

[tall elm]

this type of humour

[earnest hill]

💀

[tiny apex]

@manic juniper Diaz threatens to comes to Finland watch out

[steady vale]

Thats a you problem, Jesus never called to kill anyone, neither killed himself

[cerulean pivot]

A somali with a small forehead
Could you believe that

[tepid lintel]

the cot caught merger - is that Ah something between the two sounds or it's just the 'Ah' as in father?

[earnest hill]

Valid.

[tiny apex]

I’m living proof

[steady vale]

Why not ?

[tall elm]

It's not funny at all and doesn't make sense

[thorny steeple]

morality is a concept

[steady vale]

it makes sense if you dont like it and find it unfunny and feel offended

[thorny steeple]

i apply it all the time

[tiny apex]

You’re a concept

[golden jetty]

I'm back

[cerulean pivot]

Same as Germans claims to be Aryans

[tall elm]

u are too blind to see bro

[feral river]

I am a white Chinese

🇺🇸

[cerulean pivot]

She's french
Which is worse

[steady vale]

yes probably

[tall elm]

having that mentality

[thorny steeple]

i exist physically, false

[steady vale]

im not a she

[cerulean pivot]

Which is even worse

[tiny apex]

Germans are irrelevant Somalis are not

[steady vale]

Well idgaf about your opinion i have the right to criticize islam

[cerulean pivot]

Have a good day Small head

[plain ruin]

It was not his duty or say at the time, his goal was to bring people closer to God rather than be a political leader
Whether or not you say Jesus is God, he aligns himself over and over again with Old Testament teaching and claims not to replace the Old teachings, which also are similar to what Islam preaches

[tiny apex]

How do you know you exist

[cerulean pivot]

Do it
no one is holding you lady

[thorny steeple]

cus its demonstable

[plain ruin]

Some prophets in the Bible preached killing, some did not, they all preached in their best interests

[thorny steeple]

i experience me

[steady vale]

The old testament announced the messiah as "immanuel" which means god with us in Hebrew

[tiny apex]

How do you know that you and the world around you exists

[steady vale]

So yes Jesus did aligned himself with the old testament

[thorny steeple]

thats the default case

[plain ruin]

What's the relevance? The old testament also told people "You shall not kill" and then proceed to invade entire nations, some with reason, some without reason

[steady vale]

So the old testament announced a messiah who would be god among human not a final prophet

[thorny steeple]

i experience myself with my eyes, ears, nose, tongue, skin

i have independent testimonies of my mom and dad who experiences me

with data set of 20 years

thats quite a hard evidence of me

isnt it

[steady vale]

Religion isnt the people, Old Testament and New Testament doesnt say to kill & discriminate ppl with different religion but lead them on the path to truth. The Quran do tell to kill them and that islam should take over by any way even if its not winning by truth of hearts

[cerulean pivot]

Yet we're seeing numbers on screen as a reflection of you
Not a living proof

You might be an Ai
Who knows

[thorny steeple]

another video graphic evidence of me

[cerulean pivot]

Let's make a test
How many Jews died in the Holocaust

[thorny steeple]

demosntrate me has an ai

demonstrate i am ai

[plain ruin]

My point was, a prophet like Moses preached freedom from the egyptians without mentioning any killing
Joshua's context was that the Jews were free, so they are now free to invade the land of Canaan and killed the inhabitants
Ezekiel's context was prophecies while ruled by foreigners, he cannot command people to kill the "oppressors" i.e. without being killed himself
The same applies to Jesus, he says he doesn't replace the old laws, which allow for killing of people from other religions

[steady vale]

i talked about this since you spoke about Jesus being god

[thorny steeple]

Approximately 2.7 million Jews were murdered at killing centers.

idk how would this prove me tho

[steady vale]

Jesus did replace old laws by stopping men from stoning an adulterous women "those who never sinned throw the first rock"

[quartz sentinel]

thats how i used ai

[plain ruin]

This isn't true, most of the old testament and the taking over of Canaan involves constantly saying "Baal is a false God" and using that as a justification to kill people of all ages, Joshua 6:21 illustrates that they were instructed to kill people, young to old, and all cattle as well

[tiny apex]

Maybe 🤔

[thorny steeple]

i have independent evidence of mom and dad

and my friends and yall too

[steady vale]

You said yourself here that the old testament says "you shall not kill"

[tiny apex]

But then you’d have to prove all of our existences aside from personal testimonies prove you exist

[plain ruin]

Does that really matter in the final context? My point is that everyone can agree that no one in Jesus's context would command to kill others

Its only when the people of the religion are free, such as the Jewish people after the exodus until they are captured by the babylonians, do they command killing

When they are under foreign rule, they don't command killing, which is the same as the context of Jesus, it's not possible to do so, whether he would've is entirely up for debate

[thorny steeple]

doesnt my mom and dad experinece me and them in real time?

[steady vale]

and thats a historical fact not a Prophet who said to kill anyone in the name of god

[tiny apex]

My point is how can you prove that these experiences are real

[steady vale]

Jesus makes eternal law, not political laws adapted to context

[plain ruin]

This wasn't a matter of stopping the men by saying "You shouldn't throw the rock", but him stopping them from doing it by forcing them to compare their sins, in order to be able to be the one to proclaim that they can throw the first stone

[thorny steeple]

by their own senses and independent testimony of me whose a part not inside my dads head

[steady vale]

No one threw any rock so what you say doesnt make sense

[turbid dome]

Note to certain people in the chat: if your religion has the same feature as another religion, don’t make fun of that feature or else you’ll look real silly

[plain ruin]

The Old Testament did in fact have constant claims to kill people in the name of God... Prophet who heard directly from God, or not

[thorny steeple]

Sorry but you won't be able to convince me of existential crisis

[steady vale]

he also said go in peace and stop sinning to that woman

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-barbie-oppenheimer-meme-cillian-murphy-theory-gif-8102327772591152629

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/man-stand-man-stands-bald-room-gif-21747656

[tiny apex]

🤔

[thorny steeple]

fr

[tiny apex]

I don’t think you really exist waffles

[thorny steeple]

im prepared to defend my beliefs

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/yeaaaah-gif-18170915

[thorny steeple]

what evidence do you have to support that claim?

[steady vale]

Idk about this but if you were a real christian you should know that the final revelation is the new testament, not everything is perfect in the old one. And the final word of god is you should not kill and those who live by the sword, die by the sword

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/karina-aespa-smile-sure-side-eye-gif-16962848829182529641

[tiny apex]

The lack of evidence that would prove you’re a real person

[thorny steeple]

no

the default position is i experience myself

until you demonstrate i am stuck in a simulation

[high rapids]

Pls go away

[tiny apex]

You’re in the matrix waffles

[thorny steeple]

i have no obligation to aprove that

[turbid dome]

Claims to be Christian

Denies the violence of the Old Testament

[thorny steeple]

dont just assert it, demonstrate it

[steady vale]

Tell me which prophet from the old testament called to kill in the name of god with the verse ?

[golden jetty]

Yeah like what are you beta?

[thorny steeple]

if they refue bible as gods word, they can refuse bible

[plain ruin]

No one threw any rock, because they wanted to throw rocks still
But in order for them to follow Jesus's words "Whoever has not sinned, throw the first stone", this is not a commandment of changing the law, he's making a clever statement that allows for a loophole in their statement, to avoid her getting stoned,
Because the pharisees came with the intention of trapping him and proving that he's "against Jewish scripture"

[steady vale]

he told the woman "go and stop sinning" he would have throw a rock himself if he thought otherwise

[plain ruin]

Does this include the book of revelation too...?

[turbid dome]

I don’t care about a prophet specifically.

Though in specific instances of violence, god calls for genocide against multiple different groups (for example, canaanites, amalekites, etc)

[steady vale]

Affirmated with no proof, refuted with no proof

[turbid dome]

I’m using your own book 😂

[steady vale]

still waiting for verse and prophets

[turbid dome]

1 Samuel 15:3

[thorny steeple]

hi

[golden jetty]

@steady vale On a theological standpoint could you explain John 14:6 I don't get it

[turbid dome]

“3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”

[plain ruin]

Joshua 6:17-21 is about how the Jews took over Jericho, and they specifically mention "dedicating the city to the lord"
There's also Deuteronomy 20:16–17
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites as the Lord your God has commanded you.

[turbid dome]

7 groups between those two verses, but sure, it didn’t exist

Don’t throw stones from a glass house

[left arrow]

I'm bored. What is going on here

[turbid dome]

Someone is claiming that the Bible doesn’t tell anyone to kill anyone in the name of god 😂

[steady vale]

Yes god killed sinners, flushed the toilet, threw meteorites on gays, nothing new, which is different from killing people to force convert them. In the old testament god condemn sins, not those who didnt accept something against their will\

[left arrow]

Oh, it totally did. Why, it's that somehow an issue?

[plain ruin]

No, because mosaic law also requires the person to be put on trial, and only that the "first witnesses" can carry out the act of the stoning, Deuteronomy 17:7

[thorny steeple]

yup

[turbid dome]

Shifting goalposts lmao

[thorny steeple]

noahs ark

[steady vale]

didnt understood

[turbid dome]

Yup

[turbid dome]

Your position changed

[plain ruin]

Let's circle back, do you consider the Book of Revelation to be a part of the New Testament?

You didn't answer that

[turbid dome]

1st it was “they didn’t order to kill in the name of god”

Now it’s “well they did but not like that”

[feral river]

Does that matter anyway

[steady vale]

Yes

[feral river]

I don’t mind if somebody would call for genocide against my group

[turbid dome]

Nah the Bible is full of made up claims lol

[feral river]

We have nuclear weapons

[left arrow]

@plain ruin it is. Yes

[steady vale]

it didnt Change, god kill himself, he dont need ppl to do it for him

[left arrow]

If God was doing the genocide, your nukes wouldn't help you.

[feral river]

THE POPE, HOW MANY TROOPS HE HAVE - JOSEPH STALIN

[turbid dome]

Non sequitur 😭

[thorny steeple]

no

[feral river]

Womp womp your god doesn’t exist

[steady vale]

in english ?

[turbid dome]

Doesn’t logically follow

[left arrow]

Lol. Then don't join the religious conversion.

[thorny steeple]

yup

.

[left arrow]

Alternative: destitution and a life in permanent shame.

[turbid dome]

Isn’t he all powerful?

[thorny steeple]

these are the things i think is immoral in bible

[steady vale]

That god kill in the old testament doesnt change the moral of the new testament

[turbid dome]

Ok?

[left arrow]

Having all Authority, but yes that's basically the same thing

[feral river]

can the moral of the new testament stop my 7.62mm bullet ?

REGIME BORN FROM GUNS - MAO ZEDONG

[turbid dome]

So then why is it presented as a dichotomy when he could intervene in the framework of Christianity

[left arrow]

Well, China killed quite a lot of Christians... Yet it still exists in China. So yes

[steady vale]

Reformulate

[feral river]

we didn't have a history of killing Chirstians

[left arrow]

God does not interfere with free will.

[feral river]

and your holy bible can't stop my bullet

[turbid dome]

Why is it marry the rpist or destitution, god can make a different outcome

[plain ruin]

Okay, you said this earlier:
#🧠｜serious-chat message
But...
Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

[feral river]

neither it could stop the policy and the law of the PRC

[thorny steeple]

he failed

[left arrow]

Don't lie. China is known for banning the religion and Bibles were smuggled into the country at one point...

[feral river]

he fucking won dude

[turbid dome]

He created free will, why doesn’t he interfere?

[steady vale]

So ?

[left arrow]

God doesn't interfere with free will.

[feral river]

we get rid of the bibles doesn't mean we are killing Chirstians

[turbid dome]

Why

[feral river]

that's not the same thing

[plain ruin]

The New Testament morals don't have an issue with killing necessairly. Especially for idol worship.

[steady vale]

where are you bringing this out from ?

[turbid dome]

What specifically

[steady vale]

it talks about Sheol after death..

[left arrow]

Because free will is superior to being a robot or a program.

Without free will you cannot honestly choose to love

[steady vale]

not even sheol, it talks about hell, i think its pretty normal to burn in hell when you sinned

[turbid dome]

Why?

[left arrow]

Do you have any reason to believe the contrary?

Can you force someone to love you?

[turbid dome]

I mean, I don’t think there’s a reason to believe free will is superior until evidence is presented, I’m asking for why under a Christian framework

[left arrow]

Oh, let me write that up

[steady vale]

dont you @plain ruin ?

[left arrow]

So... Free will is vital to Christian perspectives because we are made in the image of God (Genesis, creation) and that means we are endowed with the capacity for genuine love and communion with God.

Communion with God involves love that must be freely chosen, not coerced, to be authentic (this is stated in the old testament).

The Incarnation and Cross restore what was lost in the fall of man. God's grace empowers but does not override our free choice, enabling theosis (divine union) through voluntary cooperation (new testament states this stuff). Without it, salvation would be robotic, not relational. (like i said before) evidence lies in Scripture's calls to repentance and many warnings to be vigilant about the state of your relationship with God. Other evidence are the lives of saints who freely pursued holiness.

[golden jetty]

I went through theosis once

[left arrow]

The teaching of it?

[golden jetty]

No like I was on shrooms

[left arrow]

Oh, that's not Theosis. That's just a trip.

[turbid dome]

Well, thank you for the explanation in good faith (pun intended).

[left arrow]

You asked nicely. Thought the least I could do was try to summarize it

[golden jetty]

You're right but it felt like it because I go deep into religion when im zooted

[left arrow]

Right, I get that. But you shouldn't need to be on something to experience God. ☦️

[turbid dome]

Well you did a good job with the summary.

I’m going to sleep now though so goodnight

[left arrow]

Sleep well ☦️

[steady vale]

good night

@plain ruin is your answer coming any soon

its 6 in my country i havent slept i might have to go to bed soon too

[left arrow]

What did you ask him?

[plain ruin]

Good that you acknowledge that chapter 20 talks about hell. Because now I'm going to bring out chapter 9 which talks about killing on Earth
Revelation 9:4
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

[left arrow]

@plain ruin are you reading that as a literal text?

[plain ruin]

So you believe idol worshippers deserve eternal punishment

[left arrow]

The suffering of the wicked is everlasting

[plain ruin]

Now tell me, is that not meant to be a prophecy?

[steady vale]

The book of revelations is visions from saint jean of what will happen in the end of time

[plain ruin]

So basically every non christian
Correct

[plain ruin]

Yes, exactly
End of time, all idol worshippers will be killed because they are idol worshippers

[left arrow]

It's the most complex book, literally referring to the old testament like 6000+ times. Are you certain your understanding of the passage is sufficient?

[steady vale]

Why not believing that as a muslim when muhammad destroyed all idols in the mecca ?

[plain ruin]

I'm certain that I've done enough research, I grew up Catholic

[steady vale]

The anti christ will try to deceive as much people as possible, not just "idol worshippers"

[plain ruin]

I'm not a muslim, our argument started because I believe you should treat each other as per how people treat you in reality, on an individual scale, and not grouping together as one, as you're doing

[plain ruin]

Regardless, it includes idol worshippers as such as those who deserve eternal punishment, it does not state anything less than Islam does

[steady vale]

So whats even your point ?

[plain ruin]

My point is that you're making a criticism of a practice while your religion isn't against the practice to begin with

You're the one who brought up "Christians and Polytheists must be killed" as a criticism of Islam

And claimed that the New Testament does not promote killing/punishment of people in the name of religion as such

[steady vale]

The book of revelation isnt a literal text as @left arrow , its what happens in the end of times, the 4 horsemen arent humans who kills when islams order humans to kill

[plain ruin]

You claimed that even the old testament doesn't promote killing in the name of religion as well...

[steady vale]

they come as the lamb breaks the seals

[plain ruin]

So killing on earth, according to you, is worse than sentencing someone to an eternal punishment?

Imo an eternal punishment/torture for "not believing in this particular being" sounds far worse than death, then you have to consider that a person will be killed, and then tortured for eternity

[steady vale]

I was mistaken, its truth that the old testament is violent. But as i said, Jesus came as the messiah (god with us) and gave the eternal word, and no ones comes after him but the anti christ

[plain ruin]

It's still meant to be a vision seen by John, so that he can "warn people" of how the end of times will arise, he claims it as testimony in the final chapter

[plain ruin]

No one comes after him, doesn't matter, Revelation explicitly talks about idol worshippers being killed and punished for eternity
Neither Christianity nor Islam are innocent of that claim

[steady vale]

Idol worshippers are people who explicitely decided to follow the anti christ

and they are punished

by god not by humans

[rain lava]

Im reporting you to kim jong un

[plain ruin]

That figure comes way later, in chapter 13

God or human punishment, for "idol worship" or "not worshipping this god" is nonsensical

None of the religions are innocent in such regard

[golden jetty]

When I read the verse the lord is my shepherd when I was zooted it was crazyyy

[plain ruin]

😭❓

Psalms does go hard I can't lie

[steady vale]

It is said that there will be multiple antichrist who prepare the rise of the final

[plain ruin]

Yes, and the torturing of non believers starts in chapter 9, before any of the beasts

[golden jetty]

I felt like I was legit one of the sheep I was a directly spoken to by a higher power

[plain ruin]

Fresh and green are the pastures, he gave you repose💯🙏

[steady vale]

its said in chapter 2

[golden jetty]

I get freaky to song of songs

[plain ruin]

Chapter 2 and 3 describes John writing letters to the 7 Churches that existed in John's time, according to what the entity commands him to write:
Revelation 1:9-11
John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

You'll see each paragraph in Chapter 2 and 3 mentioning the church, and then one of them is claimed to be "a throne of satan"
It's only in Chapter 4 that the prophecies actually start

[steady vale]

1 john 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

[plain ruin]

worshipping the antichrist = idol worship
idol worship ≠ worshipping the antichrist though

still justifies people to be punished/killed, just for not following one god over another

Interestingly, it may allow atheists who don't "idolize materialism/societal benefit" to not get punished

[shell hemlock]

I’m tickled

[plain ruin]

😭😭😭

Atleast some EU positions on the matter make sense,Trump has deported naturalized/assimilated people as well

[steady vale]

When you follow muhammad, you chose to go against god, and worship an antichrist, idolize a book. Why shouldnt you be punished ?

[plain ruin]

So you believe that punishment for not following a particular religion is valid
And its only valid when your people do it, and muslims dont do it...

You're not against the actual principle itself, you're against muslims being able to practice the same thing your religion preaches

That's hypocrisy for you to use that verse against them then, because Christianity wouldn't technically be any better

[steady vale]

I believe that people who goes against the christ in their religion deserve it, i dont believe hindus deserve it as Jesus isnt even part of their dogma and their religion is mostly about peace

[plain ruin]

Actions speak louder than any god

[steady vale]

The difference is that its god who punish, not human who chose to be god

[summer sphinx]

That's all they can do

Holy cornball chat.

Actually holy

[steady vale]

im not against being punished when you do something bad, because thats what you re arguing on

[plain ruin]

The second part isn't entirely true either... Casteism etc. were used as methods of controlling and forcing people to work
And just because "You don't believe Hindus deserve it", doesn't mean that Revelation doesn't say "those who worship the antichrist will be punished to hell"
It says "idol worshippers"

[plain ruin]

That's the only difference, fair enough
The underlying belief is the same, the only difference is the mechanism

[steady vale]

The difference is that god Justice is fair.

[steady vale]

So does it change that Jesus isnt part of their dogma so they cant go against Jesus ?

[plain ruin]

The point still remains that for muslims, they only will "kill" these individuals if they are not "paying jizya", which has its own problems
God's "justice" according to you is just because they are idol worshippers, nothing else

[plain ruin]

Your belief won't matter, the book doesn't say "those against Jesus", it says "idol worshippers"

[steady vale]

They are anti christ followers and they do deserve eternal punishment for it

[plain ruin]

Was God's justice fair when he commanded the killing of babies and old people...?

[steady vale]

nice sophisme

[plain ruin]

So your entire argument is that muslims follow the anti christ somehow, got it

[steady vale]

Well if you re an ex christian you should know that denying that jesus is god is part of what makes you an antichrist

As said earlier there will be many anti christ who prepare the rise of the final one

[plain ruin]

No. Answer it. You said God's justice is validation for punishing people who are "anti christ worshippers"
Yet he also commands such things throughout the Old Testament

[steady vale]

And muhammad have a lot of corresponding traits to an anti christ

[plain ruin]

According to which verse?

By the way, do you think I converted to Islam...?

That seems to be the common theme from our conversation

[exotic vigil]

Yo anybody have good bread pudding recipes

[steady vale]

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 john 4:3

[golden jetty]

Go to general chat for that

[plain ruin]

I'm agnostic, I left Catholicism because of contradictions and focus on "belief" more than actions of people

[plain ruin]

Hmmm interesting

[steady vale]

i dont think so as you have typical atheist argument, even tho feels better to debate with someone like you than a brain washed with pre made answers

[exotic vigil]

Yo this is serious

[plain ruin]

Then that means Hindus would also have to be punished because they will not "confess that Jesus is of God"

[plain ruin]

I just say, let people believe what they believe, but in my opinion, goodness of any one individual is not "God"
What good we do on earth, and what bad we do, is far more important

[steady vale]

I have a hindu gf, and she said she could confess that Jesus is god with her way to understand thing. As in their religion Vishnu is main God and all "other gods" are just avatar of Vishnu. So hindus could see Jesus as god by seeing him as avatar of Vishnu

[steady vale]

Well the first debate was that our culture arent compatible with muslims not to compare dogmas

So by definitions a "holy book" who says to kill christians, and put shirk (association) as one of worst sins isnt compatible with us

[plain ruin]

Not exactly, they have 3 main gods, i.e. Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva
The creator, the preserver and the destroyer
It would go against Jesus/the trinity to claim "Vishnu" is an avatar, because that would mean that the trinity = Vishnu = the preserver, and not including "Brahma" who created the universe according to their belief

[steady vale]

She said that brahma and Shiva were avatar of Vishnu

[plain ruin]

In my pov, our conversation has done nothing but prove how similar your line of thinking is to theirs

[plain ruin]

That's not the mainstream belief, she's a "vaishnavist" and not a regular hindu then
There are people who believe that Shiva is the main one, and that Brahma is the main one

[left arrow]

I appreciate your interpretation, though I disagree because it is a literal interpretation. I understand why you are on that side of it, because almost all modern media prefers the sensationalizing and wants to predict the future. Lol

[steady vale]

whats a vaishnavist

[left arrow]

Anyways, enjoy your conversation

[shell hemlock]

Guys I have a question

Can you resell medicine in your country if u stop taking them ?

[plain ruin]

It's one who sees Vishnu as the supreme diety
There's Shaivism for those who see Shiva as the supreme one instead

[left arrow]

Uhh, probably as long as it isn't prescribed medication.

[steady vale]

The end of time is the final judgement, ofc terrible things will happen and its normal. But in my case in daily life, as a christian i let everyone free with their religion and try to lead them to truth, not to submit them to the truth.

[left arrow]

Kinda dubious practice

[plain ruin]

The final chapter of Revelation has John claiming that the events of the book are visions of the future given to him, so that he can warn people of the same

[plain ruin]

Only if its over the counter

[shell hemlock]

What if the medicine expires cuz u stop taking them tho, would lowkey be a waste

[steady vale]

if you plan to do it, this will be used as a proof that you wanted to do it 😂

[plain ruin]

Some places have procedures for that

[left arrow]

Then you throw them away, unless you're certain they don't degrade into toxic stuff

[plain ruin]

I'd ask local pharmacies

If they're already expired get rid of them

They may not have a positive effect or they could have a negative effect entirely

[steady vale]

you re worsening the case if you get caught, + messages you sent on discord could be used as a proof if you actually do it

[plain ruin]

Sure, but at the end of the day, my point is that no one puts this into practice, the same that no one puts the activities commanded in the old testament into practice

Judge people on actions/behaviour and not some book or belief

[turbid ivy]

any muslim?

[plain ruin]

Welcome back Nobu

[turbid ivy]

yea khuhu

[steady vale]

Terrorist and muslim countries like pakistan do put that into practice

[turbid ivy]

yea

[golden jetty]

Story: A petty thief was feeling supremely fortunate because, earlier that day, he had succeeded in stealing a massive snake from a snake catcher. Little did the witless thief know that it had been the snake catcher's first catch, and even less was he aware that the snake's venom was deadly! Meanwhile, the snake catcher was himself oblivious to his luck in losing the snake, of whose danger he was himself unaware. Distraught at his loss, though, he schemed about how to find the thief and retrieve his precious catch, which he had hoped would fetch him a tidy sum. Not long afterward, the snake catcher was making his way into town, toying with various plans to catch the thief. All of a sudden, he saw the thief's dead body by the roadside and recognized him instantly. “It must have been my snake that took his life!” the snake catcher gasped as he spotted the tracks the snake had left by the side of the corpse as it wiggled away. “I prayed so hard to find this poor soul and get my catch back, believing I'd been cheated. Praise to God that my prayers went unheeded. While I thought “I had lost a salable snake, in fact I had gained back my life!” Many are our wishes and prayers that, beyond our ability to see, will only bring us loss or death, which God Almighty turns a deaf ear to simply out of His benevolence

[turbid ivy]

awful

[steady vale]

and it doesnt change that Jesus who is the main figure of Christianism so more important than the old testament never said to kill anyone

[left arrow]

These visions are not intended to fuel speculation about precise dates or literal timelines, but to serve a pastoral purpose: to warn believers against complacency, apostasy, and the seductive powers of "Babylon" (any worldly system that corrupts the soul), while exhorting them to vigilance, repentance, and faithful endurance amid trials.

And the blessedness comes to those who "keep" these words... not by decoding secrets, but by living them out in the liturgical life of the Church, where heaven and earth converge in worship.

Making it about a literal future, ignoring all the symbols, connections to the old testament, and context... Really makes it too easy to think of it like some blueprint for the future.

[turbid ivy]

murder is not killing

[plain ruin]

Pakistan is a weird country to bring up as an example, they're under a military regime, I'm sure there are better examples to bring up, such as Afghanistan where the native people are much more supportive of their rulers publicly

[turbid ivy]

You can if someone is tryna to murder you,, in a self defense position, it's not wrong. However, murder is differnet than a mere killing

[steady vale]

Still a muslim country who puts such rules into practice

There is libya too who still practice slavery

& countless terrorist group in the middle east & africa

[turbid ivy]

yea sharia stuff ig

[turbid ivy]

it's allowed in islam

look at muhammad, how he encouraged it

[steady vale]

• all terrorist in europe who mainly got radicalized in Bruxelles

where salafist books are accessible

[turbid ivy]

ye

[plain ruin]

The point is infact the same, you can go around all these whataboutisms saying that its about trials, remaining steadfast, seeking repentance, sure. Why bring "idol worship" into it and not focus on "good action" then?

[turbid ivy]

yea

crazy

[left arrow]

Why warn of any sin at all? The Bible warns of what is sinful all the time, why should this book be any different?

[turbid ivy]

@half fiber 👶

[plain ruin]

Not entirely true
The mainstream muslim countries stopped seeing them as such and have even stopped the previous benefits they've given Pakistan because of that, and them not repaying debts

[steady vale]

Mainstream muslim countries who have to sell oil to get money, So hide those practice to comfort their client

[turbid ivy]

but it's recommended in Islam.. i think they are moving to athiesm

[steady vale]

it doesnt stop them from funding muslim brotherhood & terrorist groups

[turbid ivy]

o yea, you nailed it khuhu

[turbid ivy]

ye

https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/04/30/harsh-treatment-of-female-slaves-in-islam/

[plain ruin]

Again, the point is you're saying that punishment of idol worshippers is justified at the end of the day
That's the point I was making, that idol worship is seen as inherently bad in both religions

[steady vale]

where are ypi from ?

[left arrow]

Okay. I didn't see the beginning. But sure, both religions absolutely do not stand for the worship of what they deem is not God.

[plain ruin]

Fair enough to you, but... the US just gave 1 billion dollars to Pakistan in May, so I have no idea what "client" you're talking about

[steady vale]

Europe spends his time giving money for free to third world countries

countries who hates europe furthermore

[plain ruin]

Since you claimed that the oil giants "hide what they're doing" so they can "comfort their client"

[shell hemlock]

No I’m asking cuz I’m curious if cases like this is possible

[turbid ivy]

izzel khuhu

[turbid ivy]

[steady vale]

Pakistan isnt an oil giant

[plain ruin]

I said that other muslim countries don't see Pakistan as a muslim country anymore, and have stopped giving benefits to Pakistan because of that, and because Pakistan hasn't been repaying their debts

[plain ruin]

If it's not expired, ask the pharmacy

It is possible in some cases, sometimes you'll get compensation for returning meds too

[turbid ivy]

y she steals medince khuhu

[plain ruin]

Depends on local law

[plain ruin]

Nah its pretty valid to return meds, I've done it myself a few times with antiemetics, some strip sizes are too big

[steady vale]

Let me doubt on that

[turbid ivy]

no she tries to play with men ig

[steady vale]

ill check

[turbid ivy]

👀 or what cause she was saying 4 women free

[steady vale]

@plain ruin "Saudi Arabia's closest Muslim and non-Arab ally."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan–Saudi_Arabia_relations?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Gulf countries do consider Pakistan as a muslim country

[plain ruin]

Yes, go ahead
In general the indian subcontinent muslims aren't comparable at all to the gulf muslims
Then there's comparing pakistan muslims and indian muslims, even then

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/white-day-happy-white-day-gif-88077623617676868

[shell hemlock]

I mean if you pass on the meds for idk maybe ppl who can’t afford it that could maybe work

[steady vale]

@plain ruin "Pakistan’s relations with Qatar are firmly grounded in shared faith" https://mofa.gov.pk/doha-pakistan-qatar-relations?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[plain ruin]

don't hide the first part of the sentence, it says:
Pakistan has sometimes been dubbed as "Saudi Arabia's closest Muslim and non-Arab ally"
and that sentence is cited from a 2009 book which talks about events in 1985
https://archive.org/details/insidekingdomkin00lace_0/page/294/mode/2up

[steady vale]

doesnt change that its recognized as a muslim country

[plain ruin]

That's according to Pakistan ".gov.pk"

[steady vale]

if it was wrong qatar would have corrected

[plain ruin]

Its not treated as such anymore, its been years since they stopped giving interest free loans to Pakistan

[plain ruin]

Its not Qatar's Embassy site, it's the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Pakistan

[steady vale]

Common faith or not you dont give interest free loans to a bad client 😂

[plain ruin]

Indians have historically been more supported by the gulf compared to pakistanis, not to mention gulf society

[plain ruin]

It's seen as against their religion to charge extra to muslims

[steady vale]

india is currently 5th gdp and have big companies such as Tata, they have more chance to pay back than pakistan

[plain ruin]

I mean from a societal/global standpoint, gulf arabs like indians more than pakistanis in general

Anyway

I have to go out, and you should probably get your sleep too😭

[steady vale]

Gulf do business, and in business you dont give interest free loans to bad clients

[plain ruin]

Good conversation though, hope to have more

[steady vale]

unless you re like china and you want to take power in that country

[steady vale]

being muslim doesnt stop you from being a bad client

[plain ruin]

Its still "against the faith", which is of huge importance to them anyway

[steady vale]

Saudis here have the reputation to sniff cocain on prostitutes as a warm up, in french hotels, they take a break from halal here

They may take a break from halal with bad clients too they arent crazy

[plain ruin]

In private is different from doing so on a state basis though

[steady vale]

either you do it publicly or privatly its still bad

[plain ruin]

My point is you're comparing "faith in private" to state-endorsed faith responses

No one truly follows their religion in private, but representing a state, claim to be muslim, and not give interest free loans to another "muslim" state is either saying you're not supporting your faith as a muslim, or saying that they're not muslim

Not to mention, arab countries have consantly been annoyed with pakistan, given their sheltering of individuals such as Bin Laden

[steady vale]

When what pakistan do is against islam ?

[plain ruin]

Pakistan constantly shelters disruptors/fringe "muslim" beliefs that wouldn't be seen as "true" as the sunni/shia beliefs, i.e. terrorists

[steady vale]

as i said they might disprove Pakistan to not scare their client & not reduce their opportunity, who from our countries in Europe / America would want to go work and do business in a country were shariah laws etc are applied ?

[steady vale]

When Ben Laden was in Abu Grahib, the only thing he had to read was the Quran

I dont see why his actions should be against islam

[feral river]

I don't think nobody is going to against that Islam is a third world thing

[plain ruin]

One can argue the same for Christian colonisers/priests/institutions who twisted Bible verses to justify slavery and forced conversion, correct?

Wouldn't you count such people as "Not real christians"?
The same would apply here
Arguably he failed in many of the main verses/commandments of the Quraan as well

[feral river]

🤣

[steady vale]

Yes they did and they will be judged for it.

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/yeaaaah-gif-18170915

That's me after we deported 2M people

[feral river]

Make America Great Again

🇺🇸

[steady vale]

Also dissimulation(even tho it should be used in danger case, muslim brotherhood use it in europe, nothing proves you that gulf countries doesnt) exist in islam which shows more that Gulf countries could publicly disprove pakistan but they secretly agree

[steady vale]

So yes priest did twist the bible and will be judged for it. When terrorist just do whats already wrote 9:5 and 9:29

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-meme-gif-3246091091198192431

[plain ruin]

Mmmmm that's highly unlikely given Pakistan's weakening position in the world, and the fact that Pakistan has sheltered people who've attacked gulf countries

[high rapids]

That's after we deported everyone and Europe is 100% white

[feral river]

Europe is European's Europe

America is American's America

it's never too late to make it great again

[high rapids]

The Sun is rising again

[hidden shore]

america is european, most of american their ancestors from europe they just moved there to make american great

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352

[hidden shore]

i am waiting oneday they select east asian dude as a persident of america

[steady vale]

"But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them,1 capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful." When a terrorist kill a yazidis, when is it anti coranic ?

[high rapids]

Im waiting for next election

Our time is coming

[plain ruin]

Not exactly
Terrorists using the verses you mentioned to "kill christians/non believers" wouldn't be a right application of the verses, the verses are punishments for specific contexts of treaties
For example, 9:5 says:
-# But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them,1 capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
But right before this, 9:4 says:
-# As for the polytheists who have honoured every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honour your treaty with them until the end of its term. Surely Allah loves those who are mindful ˹of Him˺.

No terrorist group can use 9:5 as a justification for their action

[hidden shore]

make east asia great again

[steady vale]

political treaties not god treaties

[feral river]

WE SUPPORT TRUMP TO BE THE FIRST EMPEROR OF THE UNITED STATES 🇺🇸

[steady vale]

So when a terrorist kill a yazidis its not anti coranic

[plain ruin]

9:29 is much the same, it comes in the same context of "paying the tax" which is jizya

I'm not saying it is right to kill people for not paying the tax/following a treaty,

I'm pointing out that you cannot say that "Terrorists use these verses and follow them as laid out in the Quraan"

[shell hemlock]

Racist

[steady vale]

most of middle east christians and yazidis are very poor its very easy to use it as justification to kill them as a terrorist

[hidden shore]

they should cover their whole body , their man can not control their sexual desire when the saw muslims woman

[plain ruin]

Even then, you'd have to prove that they're not paying the jizya that is due, by the local government in charge of the region, and not a random group that claims to be in charge, correct?
and then again, it wouldn't justify attacks such as the September 11 attacks either

So arguably, those groups aren't following the scripture

[ornate pewter]

Sir, can i hold my position until tomorrow?, and can tp at news but my potition entry example at 04:00 news at 08:30?

[plain ruin]

at the end of the day

[hidden shore]

and woman only be a housewife, woman should not alloowed go to school to get education

[shell hemlock]

Who said Muslim women can’t get education ?

[steady vale]

11 september never paid the jizya i dont see whats wrong in a terrorist mind if in their mind islam dominates and american dont respect it and dont pay the jizya its completely justified

[shell hemlock]

A Muslim woman created the first university

🗿

[plain ruin]

Jizya is applicable for non-muslims who are living in muslim areas
So sep 11 attacks wouldn't fall under that at all

[steady vale]

and now they bother us to wear their trash bag, what a down fell

[hidden shore]

university ummmm , their universtiy teaching some holy shit

[shell hemlock]

I’m a hijabi and I’m not bothering you…

[steady vale]

As long as you re not in my country

[hidden shore]

i am Wahhabism, woman get education which is not necessary

[shell hemlock]

Also pretty pathetic of you to claim we wear ‘trash bags’ when the virginity Mary wore a head scarf as well

Virginity Mary 💀😭

[hidden shore]

they be a housewife that is better

[shell hemlock]

Pretty racist

[steady vale]

head scarf isnt whole face covered

[shell hemlock]

A hijab doesn’t cover the face

[plain ruin]

Hijab and head scarves are equal, it's the niqab that involves covering the face iirc

[half fiber]

My son

[hidden shore]

every woman must wear niqab , who does not wear niqab , they will go to hell

[shell hemlock]

Correct and the niqab is not mandatory, it’s not mentioned in the Quran

[half fiber]

Niqab is optional

[hidden shore]

every woman must wear niqab , who does not wear niqab , they will go to hell, allah wont forgive them, who does not wear niqab

[steady vale]

Mary lived under different laws, in my country its forbidden to wear distinct religious signs, i dont see why i cant wear a cross, but muslim women have the priviledge to wear their trash bag

[hidden shore]

every woman must wear niqab , who does not wear niqab , they will go to hell

[shell hemlock]

There are Muslim women who don’t wear hijab as well 🤷🏻‍♀️

[hidden shore]

every woman must wear niqab , who does not wear niqab , they will go to hell

[half fiber]

Did u read quran from temu lil bro ?

[steady vale]

There are some who do, therefore dont respect the laws, but the govt dont tell them anything

[plain ruin]

Yeah, either way, it isn't right for them to be able to ask/force people of other communities to wear your clothing/cover hair, it's also not right to insult a religious practice as simple as... head coverings

[steady vale]

which is a priviledge and proselytism

[shell hemlock]

Soo… you are upset because people have freedom to express their devotion to their religion

[hidden shore]

niqab is obeying to god, and contact to god

[steady vale]

Im upset because christians are forced to respect the laws but muslims arent

[half fiber]

Okay cope harder

[shell hemlock]

If u don’t mind, what country are you from ?

[steady vale]

France

[hidden shore]

bruhh chrstiians must wear scarf, muslims would obey laws

[shell hemlock]

I was in France when I was a Christian and I wore my cross necklace

[plain ruin]

I think what's more concerning to me, is why christians shouldn't be allowed to wear a scapular or a rosary

[half fiber]

All you're doing is yapping rn

[magic olive]

Would you mind telling me what that means

[steady vale]

its easy to hide your cross under your t shirt

so you have no distinct religious signs therefore your respect the law

[hidden shore]

i just kidding

[high rapids]

Take care of yourself she blows herself up

[shell hemlock]

I wore it out and about… I have pictures of me in front of the Eiffel Tower wearing a cross

[steady vale]

ok 😂

[shell hemlock]

You guys also celebrate Christmas over there no ? That’s a Christian practice as well (I think)

[steady vale]

the eiffel tower is crowded with tons of pickpockets police have other concerns than a cross

[formal pilot]

Then I see a job opportunity there

[steady vale]

if you were christian you should know

[shell hemlock]

Okay… so someone wearing hijab shouldn’t be an issue

[plain ruin]

Idk if covering hair is a "religious symbol"
A muslim could use a coloured fancy cloth like many french women do and cover their hair, it would be a religious practice, but not a religious "symbol"

[steady vale]

its still against the law

[magic olive]

I respect your opinions, source it through a verse if it's true. We're all here to improve anyways.

[steady vale]

its just that the police have a priority, if you get your goods stolen you wont come back to give money to france

[shell hemlock]

Well I don’t know because non Christians nowadays also celebrate Christmas like Cambodian Buddhists, except for Muslims we don’t celebrate other holidays aside from the Islamic ones

[half fiber]

You dont have to show off your religion. Religion is something that you practice and smth that is between you and god you dont run up to someone and show cross necklace and prove yourself that you're a Christian. The pious activity comes within yourself

[steady vale]

christmas = birth of christ, if you were christian you should know that

[plain ruin]

Yeah but the point is that the hijab isnt showing off a religion like wearing a cross is, its a practice of covering the head, so it shouldn't be covered by the law

But I also disagree with the law, imo christians should be allowed to display their faith on their person as well

[shell hemlock]

I think you are referring to niqab/burqa, not hijab (?)

Because I believe the niqab/burqa is actually banned in multiple countries since it covers the face

[plain ruin]

If it was a crescent moon pattern on the hijab, that would be arrestable under french law for sure

[hidden shore]

😵‍💫 i am off about religion topic

[shell hemlock]

A hijab covers the head and hair

[thorny steeple]

TY!!

[half fiber]

It's a practice of covering body as well. It's a dress of modesty something we take pride to wear it. Cuz women are considered to be the precious gem in islam. Idk alot about Christianity but I guess many Christians wear cross necklace to showcase their religion. But in the ancient times I've seen Christian women covering their head and their body like nuns do. Nowadays most of the people don't know what christianity is about their rules and norms. Yet they drink and party. Drinking is prohibited in Christianity as well.

[steady vale]

Thinking that a drink could affect your spirituality would be idolatry in christianity 😂

[plain ruin]

New Testament Christianity actually also promotes women covering their head, and other body parts, modesty is expected
Orthodox Christians in the Middle East still wear veils, if not always, they atleast wear them while praying

[half fiber]

Yes it does sister why do u think people get high after drinking ?

[steady vale]

Christian women do have to cover their face during prayers only, it is recommanded to dress modestly too but not to "help men to control their lust" both are responsible of their lust

[steady vale]

well i never got high while drinking

[half fiber]

I did not say while drinking

[steady vale]

neither after...

you have to drink a lot to get high

if you get high with 1 glass, you re a little nature

[half fiber]

After drinking it Have certain impact on ur body

[plain ruin]

Still, ultimately, its a practice and not a symbol of the religion

[half fiber]

Yeah

[sweet wolf]

Isn't alcohol a depressant

[plain ruin]

Correcting you there, people get "drunk" from drinking, "high" from drugs

[sweet wolf]

How would you get high off alcohol

[sweet wolf]

Yes

[half fiber]

Thanks

[plain ruin]

Yes

[crystal kayak]

@tiny apex I don't like that statement

[half fiber]

But it does have an impact right

[plain ruin]

Getting drunk affects different parts of the brain that getting high usually does

[formal pilot]

[half fiber]

?Ephesians 5:18

[plain ruin]

The main difference is that
Drunk = Reduced ability to control your body/impulses
High = Heightened senses mixed with positive feelings

[half fiber]

How to use Bible bot

[plain ruin]

Bible Bot is disabled here, it's only enabled in vcs

[crystal kayak]

@plain ruin you seem like a well educated and knowledgeable guy May God Guide you to the right path

[formal pilot]

And bot commands

[plain ruin]

I only want people of all religions to be able to practice their beliefs while respecting each other, nothing else🙏
Wish good to everyone

[plain ruin]

Now that you're here
I remembered that I gotta take my meds

[feral river]

The only right path was to examine if your path or decision is right or not and question everything in non-existence status

[half fiber]

Ephesians 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit".

[feral river]

God is dead, and we shall rise - Zhang Jiao

[crystal kayak]

Me too I have no problem with christianity and other the religions

[formal pilot]

Imagine living in a cold climate without alcohol, can't be me

[sweet wolf]

Religion again 💔

[feral river]

State atheism on top, truth will lead us into the new era of prosperity

🇨🇳 🇰🇵

[sweet wolf]

[plain ruin]

LWEITP

[turbid ivy]

But you are not virgin, are you?? Khuhu

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

🫢

[turbid ivy]

👶

[crystal kayak]

The truth while your population is mostly depressed 😔

[half fiber]

@plain ruin this world would be so peaceful if everyone mind their own business. And their own religion instead of influencing other people to join certain religion. Including all that hatred mockery insulting other religions. Isn't it?

[covert elk]

👀👀

[half fiber]

People need to learn to respect other religions. And the diversification of faith and their practices

[turbid ivy]

The world would be more trash if we just started ignoring the problems 😐

[crystal kayak]

[plain ruin]

Yes definitely
I can disagree with christians or muslims or hindus or other atheists all the time

I would prefer less of promoting one over the other etc.
Private practice is the main thing that matters in all the religions regardless

[crystal kayak]

She is saying that because of people like you

[shell hemlock]

Itchy

[plain ruin]

Takes more effort to be peaceful online than it takes effort to criticize others

[covert elk]

Wandering around to see what's going on. 🤭🤭

[half fiber]

Exactly! Plus all religious people aren't perfect we all make mistakes. So that we don't have to judge everyone thinking that they are perfect. There's good and bad people in all religion. People just come to conclusion so easily based on one person that follows a religion and then they start generalizing that all people from this religion are bad. I think this is the main issue.

[turbid ivy]

Oh no.. shes my friend

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

Right.. but what if they are following a bad guy.. 😉

[crystal kayak]

Serious chat is mainly filled with racist I would stay far away from it as possible and bio is so nice I love the rainy days at home special makes movies 10× better

[crystal kayak]

@half fiber are you his friend

[hidden shore]

bro i like your point, this is the most profound you have said

[shell hemlock]

I believe so

[hidden shore]

[covert elk]

Agree to it. What the religion taught is perfect, the people who believe it aren't.

[turbid ivy]

Yea

[turbid ivy]

I see 👀, what's your religion 🤔

[plain ruin]

Yup
At the end of the day nothing matters more than actions in reality

[shell hemlock]

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs :)

[half fiber]

Exactly

[half fiber]

True

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad doesn't agree with it

[covert elk]

But, sometimes, it's good to see others point of view even when it's different from ours.

And, thanks for liking my bio. 😊

[hidden shore]

what does Muhammad looks like ? did anyone draw him

[crystal kayak]

This is what @half fiber was talking about you don't seem to mind your own business

[shell hemlock]

We shouldn’t judge someone if they were to sin or smth bc that is their personal relationship with God it has nothing to do with us what matters is how we build our relationship with God ourselves

[turbid ivy]

Ooh yeah he had one teeth broken 😬

[half fiber]

I'm not his friend

[covert elk]

I'm a muslim. Hope it doesn't irks anyone here and everyone see me as I am, not what I believe. 😊

[half fiber]

You're right

[turbid ivy]

😐

[hidden shore]

he looks like this

[turbid ivy]

I see. Do you agree that there is no compulsion in religion

[hidden shore]

he looks like Jesus

[turbid ivy]

That's Ali lol

[covert elk]

Yep!

[hidden shore]

😭

just put scarf on

[turbid ivy]

Hh stop lying..

[turbid ivy]

That's not Jesus lol

[feral river]

No way

That’s impossible

[covert elk]

We hold what we think is true, don't we?

And I believe that I'm responsible for anything I choose and do for it.

[hidden shore]

i mean at the time there is no camera, so people drawing those historical figures often by memories tho

that is my god

hong xiuquan

[feral river]

Now I think we have to Make China Great Again

[hidden shore]

Make China Great Again

Make China Great Again

Make China Great Again

[crystal kayak]

I agree that it is good to see from others point of view in some cases

[feral river]

I can’t believe we had black people in my city

[covert elk]

Yeah.

[feral river]

Since when we are America

[crystal kayak]

Mashaallah I am Muslim too where are you from

[hidden shore]

Guangzhou

[covert elk]

Indonesia. You?

[feral river]

Nah it’s Jinan here

[turbid ivy]

You believe that's only applicable when you have an weak army.. if you have a strong army, he would force them to convert to Islam

[hidden shore]

there is areas full of black people

[feral river]

Watch out my pic

[hidden shore]

i have ben there before

[crystal kayak]

Thank you for making it clear

[hidden shore]

they are doing businesses and stuff in china

[feral river]

It’s so damn far from Guangzhou

[turbid ivy]

Oo Muhammad had one teeth broken also he was very old

[feral river]

Here’s literally Northern China

[turbid ivy]

She's my Ex

[feral river]

Its probably my first time to see black people in my city over 20 years

[crystal kayak]

Nicest people I have met on here,I am from Kenya

[hidden shore]

but people draw this, he looks like this

[feral river]

What the heck

[crystal kayak]

Is this really Christianity nobu

[feral river]

What happened to our country

[turbid ivy]

Noo dude

[feral river]

😭

[turbid ivy]

Before that lol khuhu

[turbid ivy]

Lol that's Ali

[hidden shore]

they really look like brother and sister

[crystal kayak]

I am asking if you really are christian

[turbid ivy]

Yea what's wrong

[covert elk]

You got a point, but, still, I want to believe what I believe.

[hidden shore]

Ali?

[shell hemlock]

depicting an imagery of prophet mohammed (pbuh) is considered to be blasphemous to most muslims btw

[hidden shore]

muhammad sibling?

[turbid ivy]

Why do you believe to force me to convert to Islam? Khuhu

[turbid ivy]

No he was his son in law

[covert elk]

Hi to Kenya, then. 👋🏼👋🏼
Thanks for the compliment, btw.

[hidden shore]

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad had one teeth broken and he was very old

[hidden shore]

who says that

[turbid ivy]

I can't send that pfp. But he looked horrible

[turbid ivy]

He is described in the hadith

[covert elk]

Did I say that? 🤔
I'm pretty sure I didn't. Maybe you got it wrong, or maybe I didn't say it right?

[crystal kayak]

As christian aren't you suppose to respect other religions and wait until marriage and don't have Gf but you seem to be doing the opposite

[crystal kayak]

Hi,nice meeting you

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad did tho

Don't you follow Muhammad? 😋

[covert elk]

Nice to meet you, too.

[hidden shore]

alright anyway , i dont care anymore what does histoircal figures looks like

[turbid ivy]

[covert elk]

But I personally never force you, right?

[turbid ivy]

Do you follow Muhammad?

[crystal kayak]

This is nobu he is an Islam hater just leave him he makes up and quotes things out of context

[hoary glen]

This channel is back to its original state.

[turbid ivy]

You are not a Muslim? 🤔

[turbid ivy]

C'mon I don't

[plain ruin]

Momentary real talks

[shell hemlock]

as a muslim girl i will advise you sister, don't interact with nobu he is known to sexualize muslim women n such, be careful

[covert elk]

I follow my God, ofc. And I believe in everything right follows.

[crystal kayak]

@turbid ivy and there is a pattern I am seeing you only attack Muslim women why

[turbid ivy]

So do you agree to surah 9:4?

[plain ruin]

Because Christian women don't wear head coverings anymore

[crystal kayak]

Yeah you mentioned you had a gf and you don't respect other peoples religion

[turbid ivy]

Dah hell... khyah.. if they forcefully reach out my bed.. what's my fault

[covert elk]

I am. But, you can't judge me personally just because I'm a muslim. Right?

[turbid ivy]

I ain't attacking, just helping them

[feral river]

Idk why they both looks ugly

Lmfao

I mean honestly they are not pretty and handsome obviously

[crystal kayak]

Why only Muslim women though

[feral river]

Not because I hold bias

[turbid ivy]

Oo cool. As a Muslim you are supposed to follow Quran and hadiths?

[plain ruin]

are you? 😨

[covert elk]

Ahhhh. I see.

[turbid ivy]

Well every women cry for me what can I do

[feral river]

My body count is 6

[crystal kayak]

Ooo yeah I forgot don't christian women have to cover their hair too

[turbid ivy]

[plain ruin]

At minimum for prayer they should
Apart from that, they used to cover their hair all the time, before

[turbid ivy]

She's lying.. btw she was saying to convert to Islam to get 4 women for sexual pleasure

[plain ruin]

You could mean this for relationships or for killing someone, and I'd believe you either way

[crystal kayak]

Not really lilly feel creeped out by you

[covert elk]

But I believe that we should be tolerate to other religions as well. And if I'm wrong, man, that would be my own sin. ☺

[turbid ivy]

Bruh...you don't her secret?

[turbid ivy]

Why do you disrespect rasulah?

[hidden shore]

arts from 7 th centuries, one is daozi, other one is Ancient Egypt

[crystal kayak]

And do christian people also have to wait until marriage too or

[covert elk]

Like you do in your belief, I guess.

[plain ruin]

Yes. That's mandatory for them too. Not done by them in reality (nowadays)

[crystal kayak]

Dude just leave it you are perverted

[turbid ivy]

Yea... so don't you want to follow Muhammad?

[hidden shore]

middle east😵‍💫

[turbid ivy]

Dude.. you don't know she was offering women? That's crazy how do you support it

[covert elk]

I told you, what's not perfect is the person, the believer, not the religion.

[turbid ivy]

No no. I'm asking as s Muslim do you want to follow Muhammad or you don't want to? Hh

[hidden shore]

but pretty interesting that, people drawing their portrait

[subtle geyser]

Why is God always a male in the major religions of the world

[covert elk]

I didn't. I hv my belief here. Like you. And I guess what we should mind is what we believe, not others as we deal with our sins, not others.

[plain ruin]

Which ones

[hidden shore]

there is female gods as well

[turbid ivy]

Cool. So do you wanna obey Muhammad?

[covert elk]

This is funny tho. You keep asking things just to push me to something you can debating. Lol

[subtle geyser]

Do they have female gods in Islam

[hidden shore]

@subtle geyser in southeast asian like thaialnd, cambodia people are following buddhisilm as their tradition right

[subtle geyser]

Yes

[hidden shore]

i have been there, like Thailand

[crystal kayak]

I see well is their choice not to follow their religion but this Nobu guy presents himself as this perfect christian and does the opposite of what christian is about

[turbid ivy]

Nooo. I just wanna know your position.. how old are you?

[hidden shore]

temples is really beautiful there

[covert elk]

No comment. 😊

[hidden shore]

there is so much temples and ancient temples as well in thaialnd, cambodia,myanmar

[turbid ivy]

How old are you?

[subtle geyser]

I don't follow any religion though

[hidden shore]

i also saw monks

usually like in rural areas

[crystal kayak]

Who else here things Nobu is a pervert and a creep raise your hands🤚🏿

[hidden shore]

in early morning they have to go to collect money

[subtle geyser]

Monks in thailand and China are sure different

[turbid ivy]

Pervert? What did I do crazy

[shell hemlock]

in islam we have mothers, the wives of prophet mohammed (pbuh)

[covert elk]

I don't wanna tell as I don't wanna know yours. Hope you don't mind with it. ☺

[subtle geyser]

Lmao

[hidden shore]

like monks, there is monk school in temple, people are learning

[turbid ivy]

Cause I wanna show you something Muhammad said to women.. incase you are minor, that wouldn't be appropriate convi

[covert elk]

No, I'm not minor.

[hidden shore]

yeah it is really different

@subtle geyser why?

[crystal kayak]

You are always after Muslim women and says weird stuff

[hidden shore]

you dont follow your buddhism

since buddhism is a major religion in thialand? why you dont follow buddhism

[plain ruin]

Other gods aren't recognized in Islam, in Islam, the god they worship is usually referred to as "he"
There can be a bunch of reasons,
If you believe the religion, God is a he, or some people interpret the Abrahamic God as genderless/beyond gender

If you're looking for the historically evidenced context, it's for two reasons,

1. Males were generally seen as the ones with "raw/physical" power in such societies
2. The God in Islam, Christianity, Judaism (Which is agreed as the same God) is thought to come from the Canaanite God "El", who was a male
   Canaanites believed in male and female gods, like nordic and eastern religions

[turbid ivy]

Old cool. So Muhammad commanded Muslim women to Suckle grown up men..
Do you agree with that Teaching? He also claim he got that Teachings from Allah
Ref; sahih muslim 1452-53

[turbid ivy]

Such as?

[plain ruin]

I also asked you "which ones" because Hinduism is also seen as a major religion, and while male gods are usually seen as being more powerful, they also have female gods that fulfill important roles

[crystal kayak]

@covert elk I did warn you about people like nobu

[crystal kayak]

???

[turbid ivy]

Dude, what?

[hidden shore]

bro your bio says My favourite quote :我命由我不由天

My fate is determined by me, not by gods."

[plain ruin]

Oh yeah I'm well aware, he said I spread fake claims about him being a weirdo, and he tried to get me banned, but got banned for making a false report against me

He just uses videos/texts made by christian apologists instead of actually practicing christianity himself

[compact mountain]

lol you can’t control your own poop😂

[hidden shore]

@subtle geyser actuaully that quote is from chinese philosophy

[crystal kayak]

I did she is good person wanted to understand your perspective but you don't have any perspective other than hating

[hidden shore]

especially in Taoism

[shell hemlock]

this is so random and out of nowhere i'm chuckling

[turbid ivy]

You didn't see how she was saying convert in islam to get 4 women

[turbid ivy]

Khyah which one

[crystal kayak]

Glad I am not the only one here who thinks the guy is a weirdo and even his fellow christian have blocked him

[subtle geyser]

I just think that religion can be changed and interpreted differently over time i feel like it's just man made thing that's created to control and get benefits from it

@hidden shore do you follow any religion

[turbid ivy]

Following sunnah is being weird, crazy

[covert elk]

Yeah, you did. But I got a bit interested to see what's in his brain and what's his purpose in talking about all of those, that's why I responded. But yeah, I see we're going nowhere here. 😅😅

[hidden shore]

i am not, i dont follow any tradition and rituals shit like religions, i am more liberal as like you

[crystal kayak]

So you are cherry picking comments I was there I know what led to the comment please shut up and go and read the bible

[turbid ivy]

If I will join islam I will get 4 women?

[crystal kayak]

I know the context and please go read the bible

[plain ruin]

That's exactly what happened with the abrahamic faiths, in my opinion

[turbid ivy]

What's the context lol

[shell hemlock]

In the Bible here says Christian women who doesn’t cover their heads dishonors her head and at least shave their heads

[turbid ivy]

Of course

[hidden shore]

yeah that is really true tho, you are really smart

[crystal kayak]

Mind you he claims he is Christian but doesn't read the bible, respect other peoples religion or follow any teachings of Christianity

[turbid ivy]

Make lilyhru unblock me I have a question for her

[shell hemlock]

I don’t have my Bible with me rn but I have highlighted some other verses aside from this one that’s problematic as well

[crystal kayak]

Can you please leave her a lone

[turbid ivy]

What's the problem

[plain ruin]

No need to waste your time, just go out there and be a good person for humankind

[covert elk]

Hmmm. He's something I guess. 😅

[turbid ivy]

Duhh I'm not tieing her hands crazy khuhu

[turbid ivy]

Ima Christian

[covert elk]

Thanks for telling me. ☺

[shell hemlock]

do you have the probable answer as to why christian women aren't advise to cover their heads ? (yes you are wikipedia to me now )

[turbid ivy]

Do you have any questions

[crystal kayak]

But you are always after her

[turbid ivy]

Duhh..cause I thoughy i will get gift of 4 women khyah

[hoary glen]

Muslims study the Bible, Christians study the Quran, and quarrels promote learning.

[crystal kayak]

You are perverted dude I am asking you to drop it I already know the context and if you persist you are proving me right

[turbid ivy]

Muslims don't study bible lol

[shell hemlock]

i read the bible, i don't really study it because as much as i don't wanna say it, i am an ex-christian

[turbid ivy]

Dud what's the context

[turbid ivy]

Weren't you a Christian just for 2 days

[crystal kayak]

We study the Quran first and then the bible optional because we believe it was from God untill it was distorted

[winter echo]

This is tragic, they must be devastated

[turbid ivy]

Distorted? Khyah

[frozen cape]

amen to that bro

[covert elk]

No. Thanks anyway. ☺☺

[turbid ivy]

Shall i ask 🤔

[winter echo]

No, I must save both, by all means necessary

[crystal kayak]

Too long and I don't want to go much in detail but you and the Hong Kong lil guy were going after about the four wife's thing

[hoary glen]

You are too polite, you are not suitable for this channel

[plain ruin]

The only answer really is the liberalism movements over time, and overwhelm of the number of pages in the Bible
Sunday school/catechism doesn't really teach every single part of the Bible, they usually focus on the gospels, a few new testament books, and the more lenient stories from the Old Testament
They sometimes read the "bad verses" during mass and then the priests whitewash the verses during the sermon, after reading the gospels

[turbid ivy]

Well who wouldn't be interested to get 4 women khuhu

[hidden shore]

Let’s worship gods

[turbid ivy]

Hong Kong?

[hidden shore]

who join my religion i give them 1 dollar per day

[hidden shore]

Yessir

[plain ruin]

Christians haven't focused on anything but the gospels for centuries now
And liberalism movements by women, promoting freedom of clothing etc.

I think thats the simplest way of putting it

[turbid ivy]

Aye cool

[crystal kayak]

All the people from her country I met on here are chill bro

[covert elk]

I guess you shouldn't. Just mind this. If you think you're right and I'm wrong, just know that I'm the one who'll be burn in hell eventually by having this wrong belief, not you. And I guess you should be happy about it. ☺
And it's full stop from me. Thank you.

[crystal kayak]

Advanced slum

[plain ruin]

what religion is worth receiving 1 dollar a day for a lifetime

[turbid ivy]

No I have questions from your book khuah

[shell hemlock]

Hmm in a way that makes sense, I believe the law of the Bible have been changed overtime more the Quran has, I don’t rlly know about liberalism n whatnot

[winter echo]

What I found surprising is, most westerners don't give a damn about Christians who wear hijab.
Why are they so obsessed with Muslims?

[formal pilot]

Judaism

[crystal kayak]

And now I know the context so leave her a lone

[covert elk]

Guess it's a sign that this channel still could be a good environment for everybody. 😊😊

[frozen cape]

that's relatively new actually the change was within the last generation

[crystal kayak]

Yes the bible has been changed

[hidden shore]

Samaritanism

[winter echo]

Freedom of clothing, you said? So you think them choosing to dress half naked is their choice?

[shell hemlock]

I know Christians who aren’t so obsessed with other religions honestly they are chill, I guess it’s just some people who preach that behavior in the name of religion when it’s really not what they should be promoting

[sweet wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-hide-dwerk-roblox-dwerk-lan-gif-17212572921663157423

Fwyb

[plain ruin]

The New Testament is less changed imo, and the fact that they show the "bad verses" is also a case for them not changing their religion entirely
But there's definitely way less changing in the Quraan, muslims have relied heavily on chain of transmissions etc.

[plain ruin]

😭

[shell hemlock]

The cross of the Christians have been mocked many times by celebrities and such, things like this aren’t tolerable if it were Islamic things being presented if ykwim @plain ruin

[hoary glen]

Which country do you think people don't chill?

[compact mountain]

https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/roman-reigns-entrance-universal-champion-paul-heyman-wwe-gif-22863521

[winter echo]

I'd like to know anything that's changed in the Quran.
MInd telling me?

[compact mountain]

Oh shit why this link not working

https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/roman-reigns-entrance-universal-champion-paul-heyman-wwe-gif-22863521

[crystal kayak]

Mine, America and Europe and others I am still investigating

[shell hemlock]

cuz u don't have perms 🗿

[compact mountain]

https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/roman-god-mode-roman-reigns-yessir-gif-25361718

[plain ruin]

I simply answered Lily's question
I don't know the reasoning of the choice, whether it is "freedom", or "governmental interference", or "demons", I'm just saying that the liberalism movements led to "freedom of clothing", and people claim to want it by choice

[subtle geyser]

Is this tuff

[hidden shore]

better than with low IQ full of religious and gods peice of shit

[winter echo]

I know right?

[turbid ivy]

Do you know why the Hijab was revealed in Surah 33.59

[turbid ivy]

Which part

[thorny steeple]

[hoary glen]

[compact mountain]

Hey yo why it’s allowing you to post but not me

[turbid ivy]

Khyahh