🧠｜serious-chat

[balmy matrix]

She just kindly educated u twin

[cerulean pivot]

A Dove of peace

[hybrid herald]

At least the turks won

🧏🏿‍♂️

[cerulean pivot]

Shawarma>>>> gyros

[analog hound]

Just for you!
If I become a politician I would also like to become a member of the European Parliament. Right now the leader of the greek members in the European Parliament is miss Aphrodite Latinopoulou (search her)

[analog hound]

🤨🤨🤨

[tall elm]

look at these ppl debating about wars happened decades ago

[hybrid herald]

Gng the turks won the war

[balmy matrix]

Wouh that's some good news for me then 😈🙏🏻

[cerulean pivot]

Look at this soccer fan

[tall elm]

where?

[cerulean pivot]

What war

[hybrid herald]

Yes

[hybrid herald]

That one (pls don't ruin it)

[analog hound]

We got our land back when we had nothing
The people gave their money for the Revolution to start. The Turks had an army, they had a state. Our fighters where just ordinary people who wanted to see their land free

[analog hound]

You can DM miss Latinopoulou on Instagram 😂

[balmy matrix]

they successfully rage baited her

oh no

[hybrid herald]

Aight greek nationalism appeared
Proud of you 🥹

[balmy matrix]

I warned u.. 😭🙏🏻

[cerulean pivot]

You won fr

[hybrid herald]

Gng i like ts fr

[cerulean pivot]

Congrats

[balmy matrix]

no thanks I don't want the fbi helicopters above my house 💀

[tall elm]

you eat history every breakfast or what 😭

[hybrid herald]

Istanbul is turkish now tho

[hybrid herald]

She's greek
She's a master at hating turks

[balmy matrix]

Mfs ruined our peaceful culture exchange conversation

[hybrid herald]

That's serious chat gng

[tall elm]

and you guys hate arab, same energy

[cerulean pivot]

Aya sofia , it's a mosque now.

[balmy matrix]

He's Arab himself

[manic juniper]

All of them hate Kurds

[balmy matrix]

And syrians

[hybrid herald]

We don't hate Arabs we hate bad arabs
☝🏿🤓

[tall elm]

why is he defending them so bad like this then?

[balmy matrix]

He's rage baiting for fun

[cerulean pivot]

Divided by nations , united by hating kurds

[analog hound]

I have no problem with the Turks, my only complaint is that they are turning historical monuments into mosques. Hagia Sophia should be a museum, just like the Monastery of Chora

[hybrid herald]

Damn long message

[analog hound]

Definitely

[manic juniper]

Are they the gypsies of the Middle East

[hybrid herald]

W Muslims

[tall elm]

I thought that too

[cerulean pivot]

I knew it @hybrid herald

[manic juniper]

Now I'm wondering about the gypsies of India

[hybrid herald]

Ik they're very mad
Even if it is a normal thing

[tall elm]

look how he got alkistis mad lol

[hybrid herald]

Like what is the problem with that fr

[balmy matrix]

I warned her already but idk 💀🙏🏻

[analog hound]

We don't really hate eachother we just have some disagreements about our islands and maritime borders 🫠

[tall elm]

i respect Indians

[cerulean pivot]

Gotta go back to my hole
Cya tomorrow

[analog hound]

It is a monument

[cerulean pivot]

It's already tomorrow lol

[hybrid herald]

Northern Cyprus

[hybrid herald]

A mosque now

[balmy matrix]

Where's Al Andalus

[analog hound]

The Cypriots definitely hate the Turks

[hybrid herald]

Not now lemme rage bait don't ruin it

[cerulean pivot]

عائدون امتي لاتيأسي ahh

[analog hound]

😂😂😂

[tall elm]

he absolutely has no point

[hybrid herald]

Ik gng

[balmy matrix]

We wuz Spain and shyt

[hybrid herald]

Don't change the topic even if i like talking about ts
But lemme Finish ma work gng

[high raven]

Now I get what Aladdin means when he says that this channel is a third world country

[hybrid herald]

You live in one tho

He does too

[balmy matrix]

Third world people can't make a first world channel

[hybrid herald]

Friendly fire

[high raven]

I do?

[hybrid herald]

You are from one i meant

[tall elm]

I hate this title " third world countries " it's just truly disrespectful

[hybrid herald]

Aight Gng you live in one

[high raven]

It's meant to be

[analog hound]

The temple is in terrible condition 😩
So many artworks are lost.....
I got into Hagia Sophia to kiss the image of Jesus, which they dare not erase because it is one of the largest surviving mosaics.

[balmy matrix]

Anything to divide people

[tall elm]

stratification will never end

[analog hound]

She is Norwegian
The last country to ever become a third world one 😭

[hybrid herald]

Even the mosques are destroyed after being colonized from a Christian countries ex: algeria when France colonized it and made a lot of mosques churches

[tall elm]

lebanese as i remember

[manic juniper]

They deserve the label as long as they behave like third world countries

[balmy matrix]

Not the beginners chat being about Nazism 💀

[analog hound]

Yes it is very sad
Seeing those monuments getting destroyed

[tall elm]

this is not how god manage things in life

[hybrid herald]

Aight gng i will live in france so i will become a first world gng

[hybrid herald]

Not a monument it was a church so they made it a mosque
Valid

[analog hound]

In Greece we have kept the surviving mosques, in Ioannina for example

[analog hound]

They should be museums

They are historical artifacts

[balmy matrix]

We kept the Jewish architecture here also

[hybrid herald]

All of em ?

[analog hound]

Yes, when we got our cities back we didn't destroy them

[hybrid herald]

Nah, the point is the statues is making a prophet in a statue which is disrespectful to the prophet Jesus in Islam

[tall elm]

what happened in the past does not matter that much
did she or her ppl done anything to your agenda?

[hybrid herald]

They already destroyed them during war

[balmy matrix]

It's a church lmao

[manic juniper]

How does she do it then

[hybrid herald]

Yup, now shush. And let me continue

[balmy matrix]

nothing is about islam in a church

[tall elm]

she!?, you have a long way to go mate

[hybrid herald]

Aight Gng i am giving the point of view of my religion

[karmic beacon]

Hello, I'm back, who misses me?

[manic juniper]

Chill

[hybrid herald]

She will type an essay

[balmy matrix]

your religion is to be practiced in mosque not church

[analog hound]

No, in Ioannina or the other cities we didn't destroy anything. We respect other religions, every true Christian does. Some were destroyed in earthquakes for example but not by the people

[tall elm]

attention seeker alert 🚨
@analog hound

[hybrid herald]

Damn let's ban him

[high raven]

Not sure who you are but welcome back!

[hybrid herald]

Ngl too tired to respond

[analog hound]

😂😂

[balmy matrix]

chat turned into average serious chat conversation

[hybrid herald]

I am talking about during the wars

[balmy matrix]

time to sleep ig

[karmic beacon]

Hello, I'm new here

[hybrid herald]

Fr, bro i was joking now they took it seriously

[tall elm]

We could practice everywhere, time, place and almost every situation

[balmy matrix]

U took it too far

[analog hound]

Yes so do I

[balmy matrix]

Not in a church lol

[hybrid herald]

Nah you know that i am active in general and General ppl like joking

[analog hound]

Hello!

[tall elm]

i iagree it's ur right to have ur own area so u can practice what u believe

[balmy matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-coin-joe-coin-emotiguy-emoti-guy-gif-5950636071310089815

[hybrid herald]

Aight, i was just joking i am not Even Turkish

[balmy matrix]

True

[balmy matrix]

As if your pfp isn't clear enough 😭🙏🏻

[tall elm]

even islam agrees that

[balmy matrix]

It's screaming ARAB

[analog hound]

I know you are not but everyone needs to be taught history
You are Arab, right?

[balmy matrix]

That's my point , he disagreed

[analog hound]

From where?

[hybrid herald]

I am not fully arab btw bro

[balmy matrix]

Amazing?

Amazigh?

[hybrid herald]

Ik history Gng

[balmy matrix]

autocorrect lol

[hybrid herald]

I am amazing indeed

[tall elm]

if ur read more about u will discover the truth not just hearing it from anyone walking by

[analog hound]

Sure you do

[tall elm]

Morocco or Algeria probably

[hybrid herald]

50%

[balmy matrix]

I've enough knowledge about that

[hybrid herald]

Algeria

[tall elm]

Lol

I knew it

[hybrid herald]

Good for you

[karmic beacon]

Hello, how are you

[fallow shard]

[tall elm]

good for u bro

[balmy matrix]

oh no

[hybrid herald]

What

[tall elm]

she's here

[balmy matrix]

native serious chat are waking up

[analog hound]

As-salamu alaykum

[analog hound]

I am good, you?

[hybrid herald]

You have isfrun and sana
They aren't here now
Bc i am here
They know how tuff i am and that i can handle the chat

[tall elm]

bro is almost an arab now
Welcome to the gang 👍

[hybrid herald]

Waalaykom

[cerulean pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/amazigh-kunaiu-berber-gif-13713567706376586180

[analog hound]

😂😂

[karmic beacon]

Am fine thanks for asking
Where are you from

[hybrid herald]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-ali-ya-imam-moh-gif-21697923

[karmic beacon]

You are a girl right.

[balmy matrix]

What a dark web video quality

[cerulean pivot]

I wish i knew the context

[hybrid herald]

Meaningful

[tall elm]

also " marhaba " means hello

[analog hound]

What did the Berbers do? 😭

[cerulean pivot]

Gay stuff

Ask akei he's specialist

[hybrid herald]

Nah we are not iraqis

[balmy matrix]

He's native Berber

[cerulean pivot]

We ain't Jordanians

[balmy matrix]

the gayest of all

[cerulean pivot]

قوم لوط

[hybrid herald]

Aight bro what brings jordan here

[balmy matrix]

we ain't Kurdish gng

[hybrid herald]

Aight Egyptian

[cerulean pivot]

The origin of gays

[tall elm]

stop races shaming

hashtag

[hybrid herald]

That's serious chat gng

[balmy matrix]

Which one are u so we involve u

[analog hound]

I know!
I know the greedings in Arabic and some other words because when I visited the Egyptian embassy (the choir I was in went to sing at the embassy), they gave me a travel guide to Egypt as a gift, and it also had a dictionary.

[tall elm]

lol then this is a serious issue

[analog hound]

Yes I am

[hybrid herald]

Nah we are just joking

[analog hound]

Greece

[hybrid herald]

But zenax is still gay tho

[balmy matrix]

Egypt mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬

[hybrid herald]

Look at Nabi's face literally confirm that theory

[cerulean pivot]

Which one

[hybrid herald]

Iraqi nah..
I have one
Lemme send

[high raven]

Very true

The Moroccan one is most accurate

[cerulean pivot]

We get it
You'll send علاوي again

Ain't funny after the 100th time

[hybrid herald]

@cerulean pivot avg iraqi face

[cerulean pivot]

See

I knew it

[analog hound]

So right now I am very sleepy, it is very late. Shouldn't have done that even though I can sleep until 11 o'clock.
تصبحون على خير !

[tall elm]

that's so nice here another word from my country " zoul " it means person generally we say a lot like ya zoul where u been 😂

[hybrid herald]

Sorry that represents y'all fr

[hybrid herald]

Gn

[cerulean pivot]

We're honored fr

[analog hound]

Like "bro"?

[cerulean pivot]

He's a good soul actually

[hybrid herald]

7ala9 al ra7ma too

[cerulean pivot]

Have you seen his Livestreams

[balmy matrix]

καληνύχτα κοιμήσου καλά

[cerulean pivot]

Not anymore

We only claim abu roqaia

[hybrid herald]

Damn he got deported.
Sed 😢

[hybrid herald]

That fat black guy

[manic juniper]

Hyvää yötä Satakunnan hengiltä

[analog hound]

من الرائع أنك تكتب باللغة اليونانية !

[cerulean pivot]

عمك

[hybrid herald]

What about abo tarshman

[balmy matrix]

Thanks to google ofc 😭

[cerulean pivot]

That's a fucking saudi

[analog hound]

Hyvää yötä!

[hybrid herald]

It is a good extension tho
Especially in the keyboard

[analog hound]

I know, me too 😂

[hybrid herald]

Nah he's from basra

[cerulean pivot]

Nuh he's Saudi
And he's طائفي asf

[balmy matrix]

I think the only word I know In Greek Is malaka

[hybrid herald]

We all are tho

[tall elm]

same use, and almost the same meaning but not like u could properly call even women with it

[hybrid herald]

(i am not)

[cerulean pivot]

No

[hybrid herald]

Aight gng i am thankful

[analog hound]

Like every foreigner 😭😭
We export culture 😂

[analog hound]

Ohhhh
I get it

[balmy matrix]

That's all I got 😭

[cerulean pivot]

I know the numbers

VI VII

[tall elm]

ok zoul 👍

[analog hound]

We have a variety of swear words
We connect swear words and make new ones 🤠
The rich greek language

[analog hound]

That's Latin 🤗

[cerulean pivot]

That's what every culture do , basically

[balmy matrix]

Fighting a Greek must be difficult

[cerulean pivot]

Holy moly

[tall elm]

say some and u better not fool me with the translation 🗿

[analog hound]

For last:
The ancient greek numbers are the letters of the alphabet actually:
A
B
Γ
Δ
Ε
ΣΤ
Η
Θ
etc.

[balmy matrix]

Y'all ruining her sleep schedule

[analog hound]

Sorry, I am not swearing

[analog hound]

Shukran

[manic juniper]

Isn't the oldest attested use of 🖕 Greek as well?

[analog hound]

You can find them in Wikipedia

[balmy matrix]

Afwan . You may sleep now

[cerulean pivot]

Isn't it from the French

[analog hound]

Yes 😭
So many great greek things 😂😭

[cerulean pivot]

My whole life was a lie

[balmy matrix]

Definitely iraq

[manic juniper]

No there was a Greek philosopher who showed the middle finger some centuries BC

It has to be the oldest hand motion in history

[hybrid herald]

Swearing

[steady vale]

as a french, english were using this sign against us during wars

[cerulean pivot]

Must be diogenes

[hybrid herald]

I will report you

[balmy matrix]

The ankh is typing

[analog hound]

We also hold the record for the most $€×ually active country in the world 😭

[tall elm]

not a real achievement anyone maybe raised his finger accidentally Bc

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah that's what i meant sorry

[manic juniper]

Why isn't it attested elsewhere then

[cerulean pivot]

" the first water sipper in human history was greek ✌🏻"

[analog hound]

Bienvenue dans la discussion !
Je dois partir maintenant, mais nous parlions des Français

[hybrid herald]

I thought she was about to sleep

[tall elm]

cuz it's silly apparently

[hybrid herald]

Also zenax said gn before 2 hours

[manic juniper]

Why isn't there Sumerian cuneiform of the middle finger

[steady vale]

What were you guys saying on French people ?

[manic juniper]

Or an Egyptian hieroglyph of a middle finger

[hybrid herald]

Let's add one gng

[cerulean pivot]

I will fail my exam tomorrow bc of middle finger convo

[manic juniper]

Or the Chinese middle finger logogram

[hybrid herald]

All bc of isfrun

[manic juniper]

Or the Phoenician middle finger letter

[tall elm]

maybe, who knows? 🥸

[hybrid herald]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-spit-gif-26415294

[balmy matrix]

We're polite

[hybrid herald]

Dang it

[cerulean pivot]

You were zoophile instead

[hybrid herald]

Spitting facts

[manic juniper]

They got my boy Petsuchos dirty

[tall elm]

I will stay silent

[balmy matrix]

Aight gng what

Aren't we polite

[hybrid herald]

Bro's soudani indeed

[tall elm]

we love Egyptians that's why

[hybrid herald]

Let's attack essisi gng

[cerulean pivot]

Cats are considered Furries right

[hybrid herald]

I can help

[analog hound]

That the nicest french people are the ones from Normandie and that I have a friend who is from Lyon and doesn't like Parisians.
Also the fact that you will always correct the people who are foreigners and they speak French or you will answer in English

[cerulean pivot]

The First furry in history was an Egyptian

[hybrid herald]

Talking about french in the big 25 🥀

[balmy matrix]

Me me

[tall elm]

clock
compass
blocks navigation system

[hybrid herald]

What about Alexander the great

[cerulean pivot]

Worst creatures on earth
God made them to test people patients
No offense

[tall elm]

the list goes on I'm not a a specialist

[balmy matrix]

Wouh

[hybrid herald]

No offense

[cerulean pivot]

Yeah no offense

[tall elm]

lol

[balmy matrix]

Bro said no offense

[hybrid herald]

Just like educational purposes videos

[tall elm]

reading about history from reels

[cerulean pivot]

You got me

[balmy matrix]

It's like Hitler saying sorry

[hybrid herald]

Haha good one

[balmy matrix]

Haha

[hybrid herald]

Zenaaxe

[steady vale]

We prefer to be equally bad in à language that arent ours (english) than letting someone ridiculize themselves in our language 😂, France has a lot of various regional cultures and yes there is a big difference between « Parisiens » and rest of France that we call « Province »

[cerulean pivot]

Hahaha
#dadsjoke4ever

[hybrid herald]

Aight gng help me
I need help for that french guy

@cerulean pivot @balmy matrix

[cerulean pivot]

Napoleon was short

[balmy matrix]

Well well well

[hybrid herald]

Good one

[cerulean pivot]

Next one quickly

Hmmmm

[hybrid herald]

Usual suspect (they didn't shower during the middle ages)

[cerulean pivot]

Their language sucks

[balmy matrix]

Museum getting robbed

[analog hound]

I have the C1 in French
Just let me talk 😭
I study French to actually use it!
I've been to France 3 times. Parisiens are the worst 😭

[hybrid herald]

They're racist asf

[steady vale]

And proud to be

[balmy matrix]

No DNA test needed

[hybrid herald]

Aight gng immigration is calling you
We are conquering you

[cerulean pivot]

That's ain't even cool when a french says it

[hybrid herald]

7 millions

[steady vale]

I know

[tall elm]

real

[hybrid herald]

Cmon gng do something about it

[balmy matrix]

Being a racist french, like dude pick a difficulty 😭🙏🏻

[cerulean pivot]

This is the first time in my life that I feel disgusted by someone who claims to be racist, even tho I'm kinda racist myself

[hybrid herald]

Who loves french?

[hybrid herald]

Same

[cerulean pivot]

Pick a struggle

[balmy matrix]

He's using an Egyptian symbol btw

[hybrid herald]

Putting an Egyptian symbol

[hybrid herald]

Damn you faster

[cerulean pivot]

French stealing skills
Classic

[analog hound]

Everyone in Europe is waiting for Marie Lepen

[balmy matrix]

Easy boy

[steady vale]

Because to us the way you speak French is weird, we understand but it’s not the way we say things

[cerulean pivot]

And he'll have more likes

[balmy matrix]

Napoleon definitely invented

[hybrid herald]

Gayest language

[steady vale]

She wont fix anything in france there are communist and racist communist so still communist

[hybrid herald]

Happens

Where is my racist gng

[analog hound]

My accent is not even bad, really
I have received compliments from French people, biggest flex for the other Greeks who speak french

[hybrid herald]

Misko
Zenaaxe

[balmy matrix]

Sup boy

[hybrid herald]

Where's racism It was here before a second

[balmy matrix]

Bro didn't respond to any

[steady vale]

Why did you want to learn French ?

[hybrid herald]

He is afraid just like france 1940

[balmy matrix]

Rude ahh people

[balmy matrix]

Well well well

[hybrid herald]

Just accepting it then calling uk like a good boy

(aight Gng we are getting muted)
Sorry mods i used to hate y'all but pls don't mute me

[misty sapphire]

hello

[hybrid herald]

Gn gng, time to sleep

[balmy matrix]

Gn gng

[steady vale]

Hi

[misty sapphire]

hey hey

nice pfp

is that a famous person?

[steady vale]

I have no idea, it’s an indian model

[analog hound]

The last thing before I go to bed
I go to a French school, but I am in the Greek section, which is just like other schools in Greece, except for one thing. From the first year of secondary school, we have 5-6 hours of French per week, but now that I'm in my final year, we only have 1 hour because we're preparing for the Panhellenic exams (we prepare for 2 years)

[misty sapphire]

what is the panhellenic exam?

[steady vale]

But why wanting to learn French ?

[balmy matrix]

Her school is french.. she literally just said

[hybrid herald]

Well well well

[balmy matrix]

Azka frnsy

[steady vale]

Its a choice

[hybrid herald]

(cannot resist the racism, so didn't sleep)

[manic juniper]

Matriculation exams in Greece

[hybrid herald]

Fr

[steady vale]

there are private french highschool everywhere in the world, linked with official national education system

[manic juniper]

F, he will never get the answer

[hybrid herald]

I think so

Racism gone
Akenyy gone

https://tenor.com/view/bye-kenny-south-park-gif-10132582449128877175

[tall elm]

that the most true thing I've heard today

even in my poor and abandoned country

[steady vale]

where are you from

[tall elm]

sudan

[hybrid herald]

Zenax back me back

[cerulean pivot]

This means they colonized the shit out of us

I can't resist

[hybrid herald]

Aight location?

[cerulean pivot]

Fuck you

[hybrid herald]

I cannot unfortunately

Anyways gn

[steady vale]

USA and Singapore werent French colony but still have private french high school who gives french diploma

[tall elm]

are u french?

[thorny steeple]

[steady vale]

i am

[tall elm]

bonjour

[steady vale]

we say bonsoir at night😩

[gritty forum]

I wanted to make friends with some girl to practice English, call me PV!

[tall elm]

mm if i add this to my experience in french u literally taught me 50% of my french

[steady vale]

well its useless to learn french now its a doomed country

most of major authors are probably translated in english already

[gritty forum]

I wanted to make friends with some girl to practice English, call me PV!

[tall elm]

none of my interests ( i want to watch football with french commentary) they sound very exciting

[manic juniper]

What about Louisiana

[steady vale]

whats even more exciting is mbappé interviews

[steady vale]

napoleon sold it to fund his wars

[tall elm]

Oops I meant commentator

[steady vale]

i got it dw

but mbappé interviews are very funny, there are a lot of memes about him

[tall elm]

i don't care about him

That guy almost made messi misses his life chance to win the Wc

[steady vale]

well idrc about football i just support french team, im more into cars

[tall elm]

I'm the opposite

I almost know nothing about them

*iq

the bot does not work here

[thorny steeple]

christ believer

[steady vale]

You play football ?

[tall elm]

nice

[tall elm]

yees

do u?

[steady vale]

i did 1 year in club w high school friends then i stopped, because not really my interest

[steady vale]

exact

[thorny steeple]

im not

i dont believe in any god

[tall elm]

we could've found u now in league 1 with 2m salay annually ( at least)

the feminine football there in france is growing fast

[steady vale]

nah i was terrible, i was only good at goal keeping

[steady vale]

That's your choice

[thorny steeple]

nope

[tall elm]

literally that's how every player started his career

[tall elm]

then shut up

[manic juniper]

Lmao

[thorny steeple]

i dont have choice on belief

[tall elm]

ur name means bird in arabic it confuses me everytime

[thorny steeple]

bully

[steady vale]

nah man i have bad cardio, i dont run fast, i m way better at swimming than football 😂

[tall elm]

again that's how every career starts lol

[manic juniper]

It means something else in Swedish

[tall elm]

literally every player follow harsh fitness commitments

[steady vale]

Ofc we all have to start somewhere, but football isnt part of my perspectives

[tall elm]

something else or something else?🤔

[tall elm]

it's clear now

[steady vale]

Why you dont have choice ? You chose in what you believe or not

[tall elm]

why do u have Egyptian ancient in ur pf?

[steady vale]

It's an indian girl, the cross ankh is egyptian

[tall elm]

cool mix

bro is writing an essay

[thorny steeple]

you don't have a choice on belief your either convinced or not convinced

but i do have a choice to follow that god or not

[manic juniper]

Annoying atheism

[tall elm]

he seeking attention let him get some

[steady vale]

im fully french, but one of my grand pa siblings married a senegalese man who gifted to my mom a ankh and a touareg cross, that's how i know

[manic juniper]

Are you from Corsica

[tall elm]

wow

[steady vale]

no i was born in Paris XIV

but i respect corsicans a lot

[manic juniper]

Why is that, I don't know much about them

[thorny steeple]

annoying bigot

[manic juniper]

Words used to have a meaning

[thorny steeple]

also im not atheism

im atheist*

[tall elm]

we are about to have a serious debate here

[thorny steeple]

[steady vale]

Corsica was italian before being french, someone spoke about napoleon, he was from corsica, and spoke italian, napoleon was born like right after corsica became French.

So they corsicans kind of have that south italian mentality, there is a corsican mafia, laws of silence, they are christians etc, fun fact they also do blue wine in corsica

[manic juniper]

Yes, the language they speak there is related to one of the languages in Italy

[manic juniper]

Do they have the weird cheese like their Italian neighbours or not, I guess not

[steady vale]

They also are more courageous to defend their culture unlike french who lives on main land

[umbral lance]

Hi

[manic juniper]

Well yeah it's a bit suppressed unfortunately

[steady vale]

thats a movie american charicature

[steady vale]

hi

[manic juniper]

France kinda sucks when it comes to preserving languages

[tall elm]

I'm getting culturally educated here

[manic juniper]

No it's true, look up casu marzu, it's an illegal Sardinian cheese with maggots

[tall elm]

Welcome

[umbral lance]

Thanks

[steady vale]

Yes most of regional languages dissapeared, but for your culture, we speak north france local language (langue d'oil) which was the language of the king

[steady vale]

my bad i didnt get what you said, im not really into cheese so idrk if they do cheese or not in corsica

[umbral lance]

Where are you from?

[steady vale]

France & you ?

[manic juniper]

They probably do since most European regions have special cheese but I was wondering if they have weird cheese or not

[umbral lance]

I'm from Brazil

[manic juniper]

Yes it's ihe way it went down in most countries, they end up speaking a dialect from a specific place

[steady vale]

they probably do but i only know about their blue wine

[manic juniper]

In my country it's composite southwestern dialects

[steady vale]

What is your country ?

[manic juniper]

Finland

[thorny steeple]

yo

yo

[steady vale]

probably because main city were always in south no ? in France the kings & main activity before France was even a thing were always around Paris even during roman empire.

[thorny steeple]

umm

i have a better moral system

yes

[manic juniper]

Basically all large cities, Helsinki, Tampere and Turku, but also because the guy who standardised our language was born there and was exposed to those dialects

[thorny steeple]

cus im a human

i want a better society for me

[steady vale]

i like finland btw, i think its a beautiful country in terms of nature.

[thorny steeple]

you should see a shark

sharks harm human too

sharks harm other animals too

💀

appeal to numbers

[manic juniper]

It's pretty decent, unfortunately ruined by intense timber farming

[thorny steeple]

but

bc they cont understadn rights

i cant include them in my category of well being

[manic juniper]

Kids can't understand them either, I guess we should treat them like sharks

[thorny steeple]

im agasint all torture

[steady vale]

Do you have toxic salmon farms like in norway ?

[manic juniper]

I think not, salmon isn't as big of a thing over here, people like reindeers

[thorny steeple]

all im saying is a shark is not immoral for killing other, why should humans we immoral for killing others

thats why we are different

duty by whom?

no

we our no superior to any animals

and no animal is superior to us

we all have evolved equally, just in differnet directions

[steady vale]

I think about leaving france but I thought about Finland but I saw that there is a crazy tax rate like in france so i forgot about it

[thorny steeple]

finland is worst

[manic juniper]

It's much worse than France's for sure but our services are more robust because of that

[thorny steeple]

you mean in critical thinking?

[manic juniper]

Not perfect but more well financed

[thorny steeple]

what does nature dictate?

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't suggest for the weather and the language, it's difficult to adjust here

[thorny steeple]

what

wait

[steady vale]

Idk how is it worst than France, but here there are guy with companies at 800k revenue who finishes a net -20k revenues, Farmer Will also prefer to spend 100 to 200k in new tractors because it cost less than paying taxes

[thorny steeple]

you do know right animals are speciessitic?

humans are biased towards their species

[steady vale]

But I saw that Finland had similar bad taxation rate

[thorny steeple]

a fox is biased towards their species

would you call that egosistic?

[manic juniper]

People get taxed from around 20% in lowest brackets to over 60% in medium-high income, some much higher

[thorny steeple]

give me a good reason why i shuld give a animal extra right which you wont give to humans?

[tiny apex]

Is that a bad thing

[thorny steeple]

cool cat

[manic juniper]

It's shortsighted

[thorny steeple]

hii

[tiny apex]

hi waffles

[thorny steeple]

so bc they are different i should give animal more rights?

[steady vale]

Similar here people would lose >55% of their salary to taxes. For businesses it Depends if you know a good lawyer specialized in taxes or not, if not 60% too

[tiny apex]

I mean I don’t know what they’re talking about but I would say valuing mine and other human lives is for our betterment

[thorny steeple]

we do give them

that rights

i can kill a shark

and a shark can kill me

[manic juniper]

Overvaluing our own lives and comfort is what made us blind to environmental destruction

[manic juniper]

What about medium income people, they pay 40% to 60% here

[thorny steeple]

is meat eating immoral?

am i immoral for killing a fish?

[manic juniper]

I am ok with high taxes because I see the results but I'm upset that it's not as well spent as it used to be

[steady vale]

55% my dad as an exemple his boss pays 11k for him but he get 5k

[thorny steeple]

give them better life

im open to that

[manic juniper]

I see, how good is infrastructure in France

[steady vale]

I’m not okay with it because résults are terrible 😂, you may have saw it

[thorny steeple]

thats a fallacy

special pleading

[manic juniper]

I didn't visit it, at least not yet but it'll happen

[thorny steeple]

its only moral if you can avoid it

[steady vale]

According to internal country reports as an exemple, for education one of most expensive european systems and one of least efficient, in terms of safety we are among thé worst of europe w sweden

[thorny steeple]

that would need more money

[tiny apex]

We are doing something about that though and even if it’s irreversible we can find ways to adapt so will the world around us

[thorny steeple]

depends

if its immoral its immoral

if its animal its moral

under my morality

[steady vale]

Our population also get replaced 😂, when I go to bus i often notice that I’m the only white. When i don’t go in main places of the city I’m a minority

[manic juniper]

There is a limit to how much we, as one species, can get through a mass extinction

Other species will survive but most of them will perish

And I don't really think are doing much about it, more like the bare minimum

[manic juniper]

I see, well in that case it's not money well spent

[thorny steeple]

no

moral is subjective

yes my moral is situational

[tiny apex]

True but I do think that countries putting an investment into green energy and protecting national parks is a good first step

[steady vale]

Well as a French I wont recommand you to come to france, but the worst Is for asian tourist, the « new population » is very racist toward them and often aggress them

[tiny apex]

We could always be doing more though or limit some things in our lives but that’d be heard to convince a mass amount of people to do

[manic juniper]

Not even to French Polynesia? I wanted to visit there since it's in the EU and also very exotic

Or even French Guyana

[steady vale]

Guyana i wouldnt recommand at all, we never hear about Polynésia so it’s probably not that bad

[thorny steeple]

killing an animal is moral

i have free will

[manic juniper]

Humans are animals btw

[manic juniper]

Is New Caledonia part of France too?

[thorny steeple]

is lion killing gazelle moral?

[manic juniper]

I would visit those two, because there are nice reptiles

[thorny steeple]

yea

but under my it doest

how can we know which moral system is better?

between yours and mine?

[steady vale]

Yes if you want to do all overseas territories there is a French one around south pôle too 😂

[thorny steeple]

we can

[manic juniper]

Does France own part of Antarctica? I think they do, same as Norway

[thorny steeple]

why not

[manic juniper]

Those are two I would visit in Antarctica

[tiny apex]

@manic juniper I just saw this bug dinosaur on Instagram

[manic juniper]

A leafhopper

[thorny steeple]

thats literally a bug

[manic juniper]

There is a dinosaur shaped caterpillar too

[thorny steeple]

do you know whales are more emphatic than humans

[manic juniper]

[tiny apex]

How so

[thorny steeple]

define your morality

[steady vale]

Well france had a lot of territories we discovered canada w Jacque Cartier, we had parts of india we had parts almost everywhere in the world

[thorny steeple]

they have showed like emphaty towards humans while no killing them

[tiny apex]

Looks like a long turtle to me

[manic juniper]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Commonnawab_cat_sec.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

[manic juniper]

It looks like a geometrid caterpillar

[tiny apex]

This looks like a pokemon pretty cool

[manic juniper]

Yes you guys and the British sailed around a lot

France has the most timezones of any country

[tiny apex]

Sometimes animals don’t attack I don’t know if that means they’re empathetic

[steady vale]

Don’t forget that portuguese and spanish started these

[manic juniper]

It would be a waste of energy to kill something that you can't even eat, something that baleen whales wouldn't do

[thorny steeple]

There was this situation where a whale hunter where hunting, and an animal rights activist helped the whales to escape, and the activist fell into the ocean with the hunters, and the whale saved the activist's life rather than the hunters

[manic juniper]

Yes and the Vikings before them too

First Europeans to find Greenland

[thorny steeple]

dolphins are emphatic

[dry wigeon]

Eetwont the unemployed, up early at 6:02 AM IST
Dawg get a job or get educated

[tiny apex]

Whales can’t eat humans?

[thorny steeple]

they have saved countless poeples on ocean

[tiny apex]

No I’ve heard dolphins are crazy

[manic juniper]

Only two of them potentially can, but they are a type of dolphin. The killer whales and false killer whales

All the others would hardly be able to eat us

[steady vale]

Fr 😂

[thorny steeple]

https://savedolphins.eii.org/news/the-remarkable-minds-of-whales-and-dolphins

[thorny steeple]

i do have a job

[thorny steeple]

??

[dry wigeon]

Told me just a day or two ago that you didn't 💀

[tiny apex]

I thought orcas were their own separate type of amphibian or whatever that group of big fish are called

[manic juniper]

No they are mammals too, they are just a giant dolphin

A macropredatorial dolphin

[thorny steeple]

wait so your actively giving less rights to humans than to non humans

[thorny steeple]

when

[manic juniper]

Even the sperm whale, while not a dolphin, is more closely related to dolphins than baleen whales

Whale evolution basically went two paths, one path chose to specialise on plankton eating and the other on keeping their teeth to fill many different roles

[dry wigeon]

Just... Within the last 2 days...😭

[thorny steeple]

Do you think humans are using Earth's resources and thats immoral?

[thorny steeple]

long before that

[tiny apex]

Is the difference between dolphins and whales what they eat and their teeth? I thought it was dolphins can’t hold their breath as long as whales can

[steady vale]

You re debating on generic idiocy to act intelligent and try to prove that you re supperior « it’s not moral to kill animals » very original it’s not like there are thousand years old religious morals who had such beliefs such as buddhism and hinduism

[thorny steeple]

whats the solution

[thorny steeple]

im not

[manic juniper]

Cetaceans are all whales in a sense
But most people only call "whales" the baleen whales, those without teeth

Baleen whales and toothed whales separated long ago, the difference is in ancestry and lack or presence of teeth

[thorny steeple]

im discussing these topics bc i like talking about this stuff

moralilty, religion, atheism, theism,nihilism, fallacies and other topics

[manic juniper]

Baleen whales are part of a group called Mysticeti (literally baleen whales in Latin), other whales including dolphins are part of Odontoceti (literally toothed whales)

For once scientists chose apt names instead of dumb ones

[thorny steeple]

vaganism

feminism

i dont ever get bored of them

[tiny apex]

What’s vaganism

[manic juniper]

Superficially they look similar at times, like sperm whales and other big whales, but in reality they differ by a lot

[thorny steeple]

choosing to not eat animals and stuffs by animals

[tiny apex]

I think you mean veganism

[thorny steeple]

oh yea

veganism

[manic juniper]

Feminism sets bars too low

[thorny steeple]

https://www.businessinsider.com/plants-shriek-with-high-pitched-ultrasonic-clicks-when-stressed-study-2023-3

plants let out an ultrasoci scream when their leaves are cut

[tiny apex]

What do you think is the solution to gender inequality Isfrun

[manic juniper]

Calling it a scream is weird when they have no vocal chords

This is like saying crickets are screaming when they are just using their legs

[manic juniper]

Feminism is ok but I don't think it's enough, I guess we deserve reparations at the very minimum

[dry wigeon]

We need someone strong willed and minded like Prophet Nobu to bring the bars back up

[thorny steeple]

would you give plants extra rights now?

lmao

ok sure

[tiny apex]

I like the idea how much do you think we should ask for

Reparations is money right

[manic juniper]

That I don't know but I believe some economists and historians could find out a rough estimate

[manic juniper]

Yes at the very minimum too

But there would be other forms of compensations if possible

Also certain women would have to pay reparations to other women
And same for men towards other men

[thorny steeple]

studies are stil going on

[tiny apex]

You’re cooking Isfrun I like this idea

[thorny steeple]

but if scientist found out all crops lives feel pain? will you stop eating them?

[dry wigeon]

The study doesn't originally say anything about a "scream"
That's something made up by the journalists after look at the study, so they can get clicks.

[manic juniper]

True, it doesn't even fit the definition

[thorny steeple]

whats the alternative

💀

no animals no plants

😭

rocks?

[manic juniper]

Even moths are more likely candidates of screaming than plants since they shout from their long proboscis

[tiny apex]

If we can’t eat animals and in this case couldn’t eat plants what would we have to do

[manic juniper]

Have you ever been shouted at by a moth, it's scary and unexpected the first time it happens

[muted umbra]

Are yall talking about big burgers? 🍔

[thorny steeple]

morality

[tiny apex]

You will be the burger Mura

[muted umbra]

Which one?

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/finn-finland-cick-bald-gif-20662247

[muted umbra]

I’m not in the menu mate.

[dry wigeon]

Whaaaat
I'm too much of an immigrant to have ever heard a moth

[tiny apex]

Surprisingly not the worst Finnish dish I’ve seen

[thorny steeple]

tf you mean which one

[manic juniper]

Only Finnish dish without rye bread

[thorny steeple]

😭

[muted umbra]

There are a lots of moral in the world. 🌎

[dry wigeon]

"morality is subjective"
"What do you mean which morality?"

[thorny steeple]

i disagree with you here, giving anyone unequal right is unjust

a lion has a right to kill me

but i dont have right to kill lion

how is that just

[golden jetty]

Hi

[muted umbra]

Leons don’t read laws bro.

[thorny steeple]

no no

are you serious

[manic juniper]

Lion when lioff walks in

[muted umbra]

I wonder if a meteor would count.

[thorny steeple]

if i lion killed a human what should be the punishment for lion?

[muted umbra]

What’s the convo all about, again?

[dry wigeon]

If i lion

[tiny apex]

Who’s Leons and why aren’t they following the law

[thorny steeple]

thisi s the type of convo you end up when you give uneqaul rights

[manic juniper]

They already do this in India btw

[tiny apex]

Dinosaur when dinoglide walks in

[golden jetty]

Happy halloween

[manic juniper]

They treat monkeys like humans, they put them in jail if they do crimes

[thorny steeple]

we do a smart thing why giving everyone all liberty to anything

and then cross out those liberty based on bad reasons

[muted umbra]

I thought this was about burgers.

[manic juniper]

Dinnersaur when lunchotherium walks in

[thorny steeple]

like murdering, raping, etc

[dry wigeon]

Don't forget claiming to treat cows better than humans for politics,
And yet letting them freely roam the roads and highways

[thorny steeple]

youre gonna punish a lion who cant understand laws, cant comprehend rights,

[muted umbra]

Perhaps lions have their own god that tells them in dreams who to attack. And that they were promised certain lands 3k years ago.

[thorny steeple]

😭

[dry wigeon]

On Hashem!

[thorny steeple]

this is stupid

[tiny apex]

Oy Vey the lion said

[manic juniper]

That's where you are wrong, the basics of animal behaviour is the risk and reward system, it works for them just as it works for us. If a lion breaks the law he will learn that it has negative consequences and will avoid doing so, once released he will teach the same to his offspring

[thorny steeple]

what will they eat?

what will lions eat?

[manic juniper]

He cornered himself bro animals can literally learn from your suggestion

[thorny steeple]

if killing other life is infringement to their rights?

[muted umbra]

Simba u need to holy war our robbed lands!

[thorny steeple]

you sound very stupid

this is not even now law works

let alone morals

[manic juniper]

They will if they want to feel better once they break the law

[thorny steeple]

no about punishing a lion

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/simba-gif-3314778884998221964

[dry wigeon]

That moment when killing civilians who accidentally cross an imaginary yellow line isn't counted as a ceasefire violation 😢😢😢

[tiny apex]

I just noticed the Roger in your pfp good stuff

[thorny steeple]

this is why i dont give rights to species who cant comprehent it

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/american-dad-roger-dan-ansome-charming-flirt-gif-1617431080898012858

[dry wigeon]

Those damn liberals
Like @fresh flower

[muted umbra]

Lol.

[dry wigeon]

Would you say روجر or روغر

[thorny steeple]

I was leading with a question to point out a flaw in your moral system, your not awknowleding the flaws

[tiny apex]

2nd makes more sense

[muted umbra]

Do u feel Aladeen or Aladeen today?

[dry wigeon]

Masri spotted

[dry wigeon]

Very Aladeen 😁

[muted umbra]

[thorny steeple]

1. giving rights to species who can't comphrend rights
   2.if plants actually feel pain, you're gonna stop eating plants
2. Punishing a all life which cant comphrend rights
3. givie less rights to thinking agents
   5.if its immoral to kill animals, what will carnivore animal eat?

[muted umbra]

Damn. He gave Frenzy homework for the weekend.

[dry wigeon]

But won't go to school himself nor pay the bills

[muted umbra]

I really don’t know what are u guys into.

[dry wigeon]

He's a speciest😔

[muted umbra]

But… u know that “rights” only happen in a context of law? And I don’t know any law that says abusing animals is a must o sum.

[dry wigeon]

We're talking about eetwonts proposed rights and lack thereof

[muted umbra]

Oh. That makes more sense

I don’t think that’s something.

[dry wigeon]

Say, has Eetwont proven or attempted to prove that animals can't understand rights

[thorny steeple]

1. Giving extra rights means taking some of those from humans
2. What will you eat?
3. The state only has vested interest in punishing humans bc animals aren't in social contract with humans
4. Now you're giving animals more extra rights to kill other animals

[thorny steeple]

correct

im a speciesist

[muted umbra]

Would be more useful if they could cryptomining instead of understating laws.

[thorny steeple]

they cant

other speciesist are specisist

[dry wigeon]

Did you prove it with a scientific study, testing their ability to comprehend rights, with multiple groups and a good sample size?

[thorny steeple]

too

[dry wigeon]

We could use them to manage my 20th RTX 5090 based crypto farm

[thorny steeple]

they don't even have the mental capacity to let alone learn a language, how will they communicate with us to understand rights in the first place

[muted umbra]

Eet is tripping for sure.

[thorny steeple]

i cant give some animal a right which they dont understand

rights itself is reciprocal

[manic juniper]

This is like saying killing newborns is fine because they don't understand their rights

[thorny steeple]

i give you to right you give me

[dry wigeon]

Interesting... Forgetting centuries and multiple species of animals right now

[manic juniper]

Dogshit argument

[muted umbra]

It ain’t tho?

[dry wigeon]

This is what happens when spoiling parents buy their kids macbooks

[thorny steeple]

So, if human A has the right to kill human B, but B can't touch A, you've got an unequal rights system

1. No stability - if one person can end another, everyone else lives in constant fear
2. encourage abuse - human A can exploit their power however they want, there's nothing stopping them from killing B
3. reciprocally - rights are reciprocal, so people know their freedoms are protected
4. contradiction - you're saying one human's life is worth less than another's

These are the reasons why rights should be reciprocal

what right we stole

from them

Debate me on anything and you will lose

[thorny steeple]

prove god

[thorny steeple]

You are chatting with him now

the way we butcher animals?

have seen a video of lion butcher a deers babys?

[plain ruin]

Freedom of movement, right to clean water, right to land, right to hunt, right to graze, right to clean air

[thorny steeple]

that isnt cruelty?

[thorny steeple]

what

what

[plain ruin]

You wanted examples, I gave you examples as such

You cannot claim that we've not taken anything from animals and created harm

[thorny steeple]

when did we stole a lions freedom of movement? right to clean water? right to land? right to hunt? right to graze? right to clean air?

[plain ruin]

Dawg....

Maybe spend some time thinking

Before you type

Not to mention that we basically caused 99% of all pollution that exists
Doubt any other species is doing so

[thorny steeple]

yes we caused 99% pollution

would human going extinct help earth and other animals?

[plain ruin]

Pollution is mass murder in itself ngl

[thorny steeple]

so am i immoral for driving a car?

im not talking to him

im talking to you

am i immoral to drive a car?

im immoral to drive a car

period

pretty much

every modern technology would be immoral by that basis

[plain ruin]

I would say that if we are going to create pollution, we should also create equal necessary mechanisms to reverse the pollution created by us

[thorny steeple]

is sex work immoral?

you said driving a car is immoral

so i was checking on what other things you think

[plain ruin]

There are mechanisms for reduction, but they're not scaled up to equal levels

[thorny steeple]

is using AC immoral?

that causes

what is that called

when heat goes back from ac for preventing cold air from ac?

[plain ruin]

They're talking about ACs now

[thorny steeple]

heat effect of stuff

ik the full form

[plain ruin]

😭😭😭

[thorny steeple]

😭

[plain ruin]

What the hell did I just read

[tiny apex]

Global warming?

[thorny steeple]

yes

am i immoral for using a AC bc it increases the chances of global warming?

@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

What does AC mean here?

Eletricity?

[thorny steeple]

air conditioner

Ah I got it

I thought you meant Alternative Current

Lack of context haha

i dont compensate

i dont how will i compensate that

[plain ruin]

So Eetwont argues that it's not immoral for us to use ACs because it allows us to live

But also that its immoral for carnivorous animals to kill herbivorous animals because it allows the carnivorous animals to live?

[thorny steeple]

thats not my postion

im just asking questions

[plain ruin]

You made the arguements

[thorny steeple]

If you need an AC, it means you need to use more electricity, which will cause more CO2 >> increase global warming, No?

my postion is your not immoral for using a ac
and any animal can eat other animal

it doenst goes agsint my morality

[plain ruin]

Not necessary, given clean energy sources

[thorny steeple]

no i made the questions

all i have been doing is asking question after you come

would human exctintion be most moral?

[plain ruin]

There's only the inefficiency of ACs that would have to be compensated for by trees, the input electricity is fixed by just switching to renewable sources

[thorny steeple]

💀

you did not just say that

wouldnt that goes agaisnt the right of humans to live?

how would that be moral?

[plain ruin]

Humans have denied everything else the right to live for centuries now
According to you, if A hurt B, then B should be able to hurt A equally
Correct?

[thorny steeple]

im still thinking i have better moral system

[plain ruin]

🤷‍♂️

[thorny steeple]

you just contridcted yourself by saying humans going exinct would be moral

but it goes against the right of humans to live

[plain ruin]

Not really
Humans infringed upon the right to life of every other species on the planet

[thorny steeple]

yes thats what we are doing

i can kill a animal

[plain ruin]

That's not a contradiction, that's justice according to your own framework

[thorny steeple]

a animal can kill me

your advocating for a system where a animal can kill me but i cant kill the animal

by giving them extra rights

which you wont give it to humans

restate your position

state in a way which tighten all the and answer all the question i asked you

so i wont be able to find flaws

i wont be able to accpt this postion

i have to give everyone eqaul rights

[plain ruin]

With a just system, correct?

[thorny steeple]

isnt in justice everyone has eqaul rights

[thorny steeple]

thats what my postion is

[plain ruin]

Then we should give back to the animals, all the rights deprived to them in the form of reparations and equal rights

[thorny steeple]

are you specisist

?

yes

every speciesist bias

a tiger sould save its cub over a deers ones

a human would save its baby over a sharks ones

[rain lava]

Is he somali

[thorny steeple]

almost all species are speciessist

i refuse to believe that

[steady vale]

Yes

We can see it with his big forehead

[plain ruin]

It's just a reddit nihilist atheist dawg, nothing else

[steady vale]

Culture of void

[plain ruin]

"I'm right, you're wrong"

[thorny steeple]

premise 1: every being that can hold a right must be capable of responding appropriately to that right
premise 2: responding appropriately to a right means both understanding it and respecting it in others
premise 3: some beings cannot understand or respect rights in others
Conclusion: its justifiable to grant rights to beings who cannot respond appropriately to them

[thorny steeple]

damn

adhominem

💀

[steady vale]

Exactly 😂😂

[plain ruin]

Adhominems are attacks on character
We are talking about morals
In terms of a conversation about morals, adhominems are completely valid

[thorny steeple]

this is my argument for why i extend these rights to humans only

[steady vale]

• using complex words and concept they don’t understand to look intelligent

[thorny steeple]

and also i didnt even bring religion or god even once

[thorny steeple]

@steady vale what complex word have i used here?

which you dont know

[plain ruin]

No, but it's the fact that all you do here is talk negatively about religions instead of living and let live

You have a history of doing such

[thorny steeple]

nvm dude

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple what you think

you agree?

[frozen cape]

Nice

[thorny steeple]

im convinced theres problematic stuff in every religion, and thats one of the reasons why im atheist

[plain ruin]

Yes, but no one in reality practices 100% of any religion to begin with

[steady vale]

Ad hominem, I dont even know Whats the point of saying that. You probably meant ad personam. But you could have just said personal attack than trying to look clever

[plain ruin]

And basic psychology, if you talk negatively about anyone or anything, they will respond negatively

[frozen cape]

Nice

[thorny steeple]

if you care about the argument, you wont use logical fallacies lead it to a conclusion, cus logical fallacies help you not reah to a correct conclusion

[steady vale]

« Killing animal is bad »

[thorny steeple]

That's like basics of philosophy

[thorny steeple]

im conivinvced killing an animal is not immoral

[steady vale]

And you re fitting aristote definition of a fallacy, you re in a moral posture not in à logical argument

[thorny steeple]

😭

[plain ruin]

In this case, we're talking about morals and character... Adhominem would be a logical fallacy if we we weren't having a conversation about character

For example if you tried to claim that the earth is flat, and then I say "You're just a stupid *insert religion*"
That would be where an ad hominem would be invalid

Here, your character reflects on how poor your moral framework is, we are talking about morals, and your position is "I'm right, everyone else is wrong"

[plain ruin]

Yeah, you spend way too much time online

[thorny steeple]

😭

[thorny steeple]

you again did strawman

how did you agreed to 2nd premise without 1st?

ok we have the 1st premise disagreement

[steady vale]

hi

[plain ruin]

Not really, I pointed out how regardless of what I say, you're going to simply say "no, wrong"
For example #🧠｜serious-chat message
You're arguing that humans with certain incurable disorders should not receive rights because they cannot respond appropriately
If we point this out, you'll just say "no but they're humans so..."
But they cant respond appropriately, so according to your framework, they dont deserve rights, you havent ever come up with a valid reasoning for why humans who cannot respond appropriately to rights, should have them

Your character reflects that you don't really have consistency, the "strawman" is pointing out how you're not worth having a conversation with

[steady vale]

then stop having a conversation with him

his response will be always to try to prove he is superior

[plain ruin]

Yeah that's the point anyway, wanted to see how much they're going to use the "logical fallacy" fallacy

😂

[steady vale]

well his arguments are always moral posture so always fallacies

[steady vale]

like this

or "killing animal is bad"

anyway @plain ruin where are you from

@abstract night where are you from too ?

[rain lava]

His eyes are rare. Never saw that one

[thorny steeple]

💀

there is problem with youre rebuttal

[plain ruin]

But but but my emojis and claiming that you're using logical fallacies will win the argument!

[plain ruin]

Part Portuguese Part Indian

and you?

[thorny steeple]

You need to justify premise 1, just cause a being cannot respond to a right, automatically means it's justifiable to grant them rights

which doesnt follows the conclusion

[steady vale]

France, you live in portugal or india ?

where in europe ?

[plain ruin]

Right now I'm primarily a resident in Kuwait, I'm in India for vacation and some work though
Not going to Europe just yet

[thorny steeple]

morality the same old issue

[frozen cape]

Whose rights are we denying

[thorny steeple]

Do you think rights should be given to beings who can understand rights?

[thorny steeple]

no no

frenzy wants to give rights to beings who cant understand rights

[plain ruin]

#💭｜general #🧊｜chill-chat #🫂｜beginner-chat, all must be denied from coming here

[thorny steeple]

which he wouldnt give to humans

[steady vale]

Weird, why kuwait

[thorny steeple]

no

not govermental righs

liberty like liberty do so stuff

i dont know the word for it

[steady vale]

then synau

[thorny steeple]

so like we do a smart thing why granting all the liberty to everything and then cross out bad stuff like (murder, grape, stealing) right?

[plain ruin]

Family grew up there
Both my portuguese and indian ancestors did not want to move to Portugal during the time that portugal left their control of India, because Portugal had a dictator at the time. The trade scene of India was good at that time, so
They all took Indian citizenship. Then they got involved with trade between India and Kuwait, my parent's generation decided to settle in Kuwait rather than continue in trade

Now, everyone's switched back to Portuguese citizenship by nature of descent/marriage

[thorny steeple]

in this senario, what is the liberty called?

no like like

[steady vale]

ok, portuguese & indian living in kuwait seemed like a weird mix😂 , But yeah portugal became really poor, on the other side it doesnt have many problems that we have in other europeans countries

[thorny steeple]

in democracy we grant everything, then cross out, murder and stealing like in usa

in dictatroship we ban everything, and then give liberty, like you can go out of house, you can keep this hairstyle like north korea

whats this called?

[plain ruin]

Indians are common in Kuwait, they're the top 3 in non-kuwaiti population
Yup, portugal sucked at the time, but right now? I would say Portugal is getting "immigrant" problems too, but from rich immigrants rather than poor immigrants

[thorny steeple]

yes

social contract

[steady vale]

y i heard many indians went to qatar, kuwait those countries