🧠｜serious-chat

[cedar oar]

Darn, he called me a wall

[plain ruin]

Probably by mistake,
That's what I said, I'd already checked the chats

[winter echo]

Maybe if I keep trying it will crack

[cedar oar]

What an honour to meet a fellow doubting anarchist

Which branch exactly, Andos?

[dapper laurel]

Ancap

[formal pilot]

Probably shia

[plain ruin]

Yeah... Not really

[cedar oar]

Darn those pretending heathens!

[winter echo]

Not jew?

[cedar oar]

I'll assume Shawn to be making rude remarks about me. But I must remind everyone of me not being a wall

[formal pilot]

I've no clue what's going on

And i don't want to know

[cedar oar]

Anarcho-communism is quite attractive with its theoretical basis

[dapper laurel]

Which branch are you?

[plain ruin]

You think I know?😭

[cedar oar]

Anarcho-communist

[formal pilot]

Tankie spotted opinion rejected

[cedar oar]

But are we truly anarchists? I doubt it many times

[dapper laurel]

We're just larpers

[cedar oar]

Damn you, Bill. You don't even know what it is and of its antithetical stance against tankies

[plain ruin]

Meds are kicking in, bye bye chat, shalom @formal pilot, better not reinstall whatsapp while i'm gone

[dapper laurel]

By the way, I think anarcho-communism is only possible with violence

[cedar oar]

I suppose we are. Norway's system is the second best for this generation

No idea what he said, even

[formal pilot]

Get well soon

[cedar oar]

Likely so. But most revolutions require violence. I wouldn't oppose such violence if it did achieve its ends consistently and was targeted and against genuine oppressors and profiteers

[coral belfry]

comrade....
why anarchy?

[cedar oar]

Because I was bored and Kropotkin has a nice beard. Tell me you aren't a tankie, please

[formal pilot]

That's funny

[coral belfry]

i like tanks

[formal pilot]

Tankies are n word for communists

[cedar oar]

Do you like those which were sent to suppress those pesky Warsaw Pact insurrections?

[cedar oar]

Leftists in general—the sane ones—dislike or loathe them. They hinge on being the opposite of the alt right with another colour

Thank Tyche he isn't a tankie

[coral belfry]

yey

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-12756433236776117962

[cedar oar]

This might be an interesting read, @dapper laurel

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

And an interesting wiki in general

[winter echo]

🤦

https://x.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1979814449369530576

Brian Berletic (@BrianJBerletic)

🇺🇸🇲🇬 Another US-funded​ puppet in Madagascar, Mamy Rabenirina, makes the rounds on global and even alternative media claiming the NED-CIA coup that took place was "organic" and of the people.

His LinkedIn shows he works for both Western-backed opposition and 2 US, Canadian,

X · Oct 19, 2025, 7:38 AM

[cedar oar]

Bill, is it dying?

Is the damned chat dying, Bill?

He does have a point. The rose with the hand looks better than absolute red

[neat shore]

Again some serious talks,m

[dapper laurel]

Based

[cedar oar]

I don't think it's particularly supportive

[high raven]

I'd ask the context but it's too late for it

[coral belfry]

and i dont/dont want to live in your country (:

[neat shore]

Like what's ur religion

[formal pilot]

Nana has been banned from the English hub

[dapper laurel]

All those who support the existence of the state are just insecure that they can't manage to live on their own

[coral belfry]

yes

[high raven]

How come?

[cedar oar]

I wouldn't suppose that leaves lots of capitalists in a good place

[cedar oar]

Say, Juscat, have you read any leftist theory yet?

[dapper laurel]

Don't call me a communist lol

[feral river]

we do insecure if there's no cheap labor and no delivery guy who would earn only 0.5 USD on one order to deliver the food for me

[formal pilot]

No clue, that matter shall be discussed in provisional council

[feral river]

I'm sorry I'm a fucking middle/upper class assh*le

we need states and totalitarian states

I have the fucking money and resources to do what the fuck ever I want

and we conquer other things

Hail the Supreme Leader

[neat shore]

See a dumb

[coral belfry]

i have read the commie manifesto
but 99% of my ideas come from other sources

[dapper laurel]

In reality, in an anarcho-capitalist regime the only accepted rule would be the NAP (non-aggression principle), which consists in not violating the private property of others, including their body. That could work

[feral river]

everyone who do not swear allegiance and show up his loyalty to the Supreme Leader should be executed immediately

[cedar oar]

So could cooperation. But I'd really love not to talk about anarchist theory today

[neat shore]

Y'all have all waste knowledge of the world and you all just come here every day to yapp about it

[cedar oar]

There are many aplenty to criticise us

[feral river]

nothing would work without enforcement to maintain the order

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[dapper laurel]

As you wish bro. Remember that ancap is a form of volunteerism

[feral river]

you need military rule in an anarchist model

[dapper laurel]

Have you read Hobbes?

[cedar oar]

Which is good for the non-coercive aspect of anarchism, but I really dislike the "capitalism"

[dapper laurel]

You are Hobbes top guy

[cedar oar]

Where did my message disappear?

I sent an ebook

[neat shore]

In the deep abyss of our moderator

[cedar oar]

I do

[feral river]

I know something about him a very famous political philosopher english man

[neat shore]

They read books of how to be racist

[feral river]

but I don't think very much people have read Mao Zedong enough

[dapper laurel]

He says exactly what you are saying, but the ultimate goal would be to preserve stability

[feral river]

for which level and what level of stability and for what

[coral belfry]

i dont read
i just listen to audiobooks
except (short books , less that 100 pages)

[feral river]

we have to maintain the order by using the force to enforce the law made by authority

you simply can't find a place where no law is enforced except mars

or in some dead fucking ground of antartica ?

[coral belfry]

you should read the prince then
(i hope i dont regret suggesting that book to you)

[cedar oar]

Not at all. Books are a medium to transfer information but cannot be used to discern those we'd prefer to talk to with those we would not (although I suppose they could be a good indicator). Anywho, it's mostly apparent from their first few messages whether their presence is worth preserving

[feral river]

stay as one utopia in that case I would say

[shell hemlock]

Allahu akbar

[feral river]

I was reading Mein Kramf recently

[cedar oar]

I recall reading tons of Rationalwiki articles. Those are quite addictive. I'd recommend them for their candid nature

[neat shore]

😭

[cedar oar]

Who wouldn't like this (besides the lunatic alt right)?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Trump

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Hail Donald J. Trump

[cedar oar]

Or such humour as this:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:Philosopher

[formal pilot]

I disagree

[coral belfry]

haven't finished that yet

[cedar oar]

With me?!

[feral river]

it's already my third time to read it, still impressive

[cedar oar]

I'll be back

[formal pilot]

No clue, it's my go to ragebait message in serious chat

[high raven]

Haven't heard of this before, I wonder by whose/which standards something is good/bad

Seems very subjective

[cedar oar]

Back

[dapper laurel]

Hobbes was born in a period of profound political and social crisis. England was divided into different religious factions and the king often clashed with Parliament. Hobbes thought that the only way to maintain order was to have a strong sovereign, with all powers concentrated in his person, an absolute power, an absolute state. According to Hobbes, the sovereign can make all the laws he wants, without following a moral code; for him, a law is just only because it has been promulgated. From this you can understand that the stability level was absolute.

As to why, it's a bit more complex.
For Hobbes, human beings are selfish, so without a strong authority controlling a human group, there would be a war of all against all. This is because human beings are even willing to do harm to get what they want. According to Hobbes, the state was born when human beings realized that this system didn't favor anyone, because potentially anyone could die. So all individuals give ALL their rights to the sovereign so that he can prevent them from killing each other

[cedar oar]

It uses a rationalist point of view, purportedly. Most of its articles do adhere to its ideology consistently and also oppose pseudoscience and the other morons present here

[coral belfry]

why are you being mean to me?
i am just-a little cat

[dapper laurel]

No, Hobbes supports it, but he also understands that without an authority it would lead to extinction

[cedar oar]

I would, of course, suggest further examination. Those articles provided hours of endless fun

[feral river]

well we have more modern concept in explaining the phenomenon he is describing

[dapper laurel]

Did you at least read the whole message?

[cedar oar]

Is this the person who wrote Leviathan?

[dapper laurel]

YES

[cedar oar]

I do have to read that

[dapper laurel]

But Locke is genuinely better

[coral belfry]

(good thing that he doesn't know that i am an arab nationalist)

[cedar oar]

Too bad I don't recall him, unforrunately. I was too focused on deciphering the antiquated language of Das Kapital

[cedar oar]

Damned nationalists!

[feral river]

first of all, human is just human, a being that was evolved under the natural selective system, human have DNAs and brain to faciliate the original concept of what was defined as selfish objectively, vice versa

[cedar oar]

I regret visiting this channel. It's more addictive than most drugs

[formal pilot]

@cedar oar Have you successfully acclimated to the environment now?

[feral river]

and secondly, for granting rights was never absolute, you can never give an absolute 'right' because it's technically impossible it only exists in papers

[cedar oar]

But anyway, since Andos is here, I must ask: would you be interested in a more theological conversation?

[feral river]

nobody would follow a bunch of papers neither you and me would read some random paper to follow what it says

[cedar oar]

Nope. I hate every message sent and received here, far beyond Rodion Raskolnokov

[coral belfry]

how did you read that!
you shouldn't read stuff between the brackets!

[feral river]

so you would give a concept of right which was enforced by authority under the enforcement of the force, then establish order with stability in that case

[feral river]

and none of that was interruptive and relevant to his ideology

[cedar oar]

Not that I was asked, but I'd suggest Conquest of Bread, by Peter Kropotkin

[cedar oar]

They're parentheses

[chrome fossil]

hello

[feral river]

to stop people from killing each other you would have to know in what cases people would kill each other and what's the logic behind this

[coral belfry]

oh ,right...

[feral river]

if people were designed by DNA and natural selection for killing none of your institution and order will be established

[cedar oar]

Damn that comma placement

[formal pilot]

((( And worst of all )))

[cedar oar]

Bill, I know what that alt right bollocks that is

I am not an antisemitist, you slandering, uh, something

[formal pilot]

Generally people don't get it lol

[feral river]

and in what cases you would fear the people from killing each other ? why it was a right, in most western world explaining it comes from the Jesus which is a total fucking ideology indoctrination that old asshs would use to establish order but that's not the case

[cedar oar]

Good thing of you to be acquainted with the alt right's glossary

[feral river]

by looking into the real cases, in here we have real case of what if authority do not stop people from killing each other

[fresh flower]

What did you eat for lunch

[coral belfry]

i am not the sharpest at grammar

[cedar oar]

It's not grammar, it's typing

[feral river]

pork and chicken

[cedar oar]

And grammar

[formal pilot]

Pork and beef would have offended the enite subcontinent

[cedar oar]

But anyway. Bill, my dopamine levels appear to have spiked and drastically decreased. I believe my course is finally leading me to an exit from this hellscape

[feral river]

you could automatically consider a guy would say your grammar was fucked as he's an assh

[fresh flower]

Hell yeah

[formal pilot]

Join us again, Tomorrow

[fresh flower]

Hell yeah

[cedar oar]

I wouldn't hope so. This provides too much stimulation

[feral river]

only fucking ass would not try to understand what people is saying but say how bad the way they were saing

[cedar oar]

The quality people appear to have mostly left, too

[feral river]

and I fuck that because I use the straightest way to respond as I always do

[fresh flower]

I ordered a kebabpizza to support Bangladeshi immigrants working as delivery workers after dropping out of uni in Sweden when they came here as supposed "students"

[coral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-25617057

[cedar oar]

Well, then. Farewell and bid Lord Vale his tribute

[feral river]

you can't find a bangladeshi guy in here

you can't find one guy wearing stupid mask on the street

[formal pilot]

It's good sometimes

[feral river]

this is the country without fucking illegal immigration

[fresh flower]

Mask????

[cedar oar]

Yes, but I'd like more moderation

[feral river]

or like a scarf

[fresh flower]

We don't have many Indians here tbh, the ones we do have work as actual engineers and have integrated in society

Our problem is mostly related to Syrians, Afghans and Bangladeshi

The Iraqis that came here 2 decades ago have mostly integrated, they make up little of crime statistics

[magic olive]

Minecraft you can chillax

[hoary glen]

[high raven]

Send all immigrants out of Europe (I am one)

[magic olive]

and with F word bomb

[high raven]

I told Minecraft to stop cursing but he doesn't listen

[hoary glen]

This channel is a place to vent all kinds of emotions

[magic olive]

He needs a reminder from time to time

[hoary glen]

And you don't have to worry about offending anyone.

[formal pilot]

Overusing a curse word dulls its impact, reserve it for moments that truly demand its force

[feral river]

make sense but sometimes it's just a figure of speech

[feral river]

I started to wonder why would you worry about offending someone ?

is he your boss or taxpayer ?

[coral belfry]

jk

[fallow thistle]

Hello, guys

[coral belfry]

you are too late
everyone left

[fallow thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-no-not-that-anything-but-that-not-that-please-no-gif-4091182799443435047

[feral river]

aren't you a white person

anyways it's not fine to be racist

[sharp beacon]

U're pale ashell

[sand temple]

Are you serious ??? 🤣🤣😂😂

[hoary glen]

Because our goals are different, you like to use some words to irritate others and quarrel with them, but I just want to see what they will talk about

[lime cobalt]

I got serious question

[coral belfry]

sir
your pfp

[lime cobalt]

If religion is meant to be the final revelation, why does it present itself as distinct rather than a direct continuation of the earlier Abrahamic traditions?

[lime cobalt]

What

Like ios 1.0 become ios 2.0

Not ios become android

[coral belfry]

....

[lime cobalt]

I know

It just a baby

[coral belfry]

ok Führer

[lime cobalt]

Baby fuhrer

[lime cobalt]

You’re the only one who realizes it.

[coral belfry]

my cat eyes are as sharp as always

[sharp beacon]

So

[warm onyx]

HI

I m new

[slender coral]

Hey.

[thorny steeple]

where are you from

[floral vine]

Hi

I’m new as well

What do you think? Can I improve my speaking skills with this channel?

[simple shuttle]

#🧠｜serious-chat wassup

[shadow nest]

guys, There's an app called IELTS IDP. I heard it's one of best app for practice

[plain ruin]

This is the last channel you guys should use to learn English

This is basically a politics channel but really it's just the hate channel

[plain ruin]

politics

[high rapids]

?!?!?!??!

That´s the biggest lie i ever heard

[floral vine]

I think that’s the good way to learn though

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-kazuma-yakuza6-yakuza-yakuza-opinion-gif-25359738

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/putin-nato-russia-vladimir-vladimir-putin-gif-13707825506315371638

[floral vine]

That music on my mind 🤓

[sharp beacon]

Not only politics we can discuss everything that should be discussed

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/bury-me-bury-me-without-the-lights-on-lil-peep-witchblades-gif-22947620

[raven shuttle]

True

I haven't used this channel a lot but I'd like to think the "serious" aspect is not just for real world events but for actually serious discussions without the chaos of general

Also, hope you're well nara ✌️😚

[spice bobcat]

Vote trump for 2026. Make America great again

LWEITP 🗣️

[sharp beacon]

Hope you're having a wonderful time tau

[raven shuttle]

Also it's 2028 😭 that's when the elections will take hold

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-maga-point-pointing-smirk-gif-11035642354373865313

[spice bobcat]

You never know. They might get the gun and do it in 2026

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676349

[raven shuttle]

Forced elections would be pretty crazy

But from a realistic viewpoint, I highly that will happen
I hope that doesn't happen lmao

It'll de stabilise America and make more hostility occur
Especially between the left and the ring

[spice bobcat]

By how things are going. Far fetched idea tbf. But there's always a possibility. The left and the right are never being friends so hostility there is too common to take notice of imo 😭

I don't think much bout politics tho so I might be wrong

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/point-at-you-point-you-thumbs-up-two-thumbs-up-gif-5813460648752290412

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-barbie-oppenheimer-meme-cillian-murphy-theory-gif-8102327772591152629

[spice bobcat]

@uncut tiger help

[raven shuttle]

well i study political science and am aiming to be a diplomat for my country
so politics is all i do lmfao 😭

and from a diplomat's perspective, let's both hope something like that doesnt happen lol
because if america faces a civil war or even a forced election with a coup d'etat (they might get the gun and do it in 2026) then the country will face a lot of destabilisation
economically, socially and politically

the left and the right never have seen eye to eye except for some aspects but with the growing hostility and radicalisation something like this would really set the stone

😇 ❤️ thanks

the books that are recommended to you by school can be really annoying to read

because rather than reading for knowledge or recreation, you read it because you have to
that goes for a lot of things tbh, the idea of having to than wanting to really makes you not enjoy the process

but i'm glad audiobooks were a better change of pace for you
for me, audiobooks are good but listening to them while doing something or playing games does not really work because i have to focus on the audio to actually listen and register what the narrator is saying

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately it's often about theism Vs atheism and the Gaza war

[raven shuttle]

well...I'm not new to the idea of pseudo intellectualism on Discord lmaooo

but nah, i dont think this channel is all bad
i mean you're here :p and we did talk about fun things yesterday

there's the bad, but there's also the good in things

[chrome fossil]

hi

[raven shuttle]

hiii

[chrome fossil]

what's up?

[arctic heart]

Anyone wanna make a serious convo

[arctic heart]

Light , ceiling , air conditioner and smoke detection

That’s all we got…

[manic juniper]

It's not entirely bad but most of the entertainment comes from repetitive people who insist too much on their beliefs

And they end up getting banned because they violate the rules

[raven shuttle]

LOOOL, i get that yeah

[chrome fossil]

great

[raven shuttle]

nothing much, all good on the western front

i did oversleep a little which sucks but it's the weekend 🤷‍♀️

wbu?

[raven shuttle]

god forbid people have manners during a debate

i think being committed to your beliefs is nice and showing that commitment is also good
but being rude and insulting if the other person doesnt agree with you is not, which is the root of generally all those arguments

[chrome fossil]

nothing much stressful life is on going

[manic juniper]

Or demonising entire groups for no particular reason

[arctic heart]

Okay

Why yall serious

[raven shuttle]

true, categorisation is a blunt statement of your bias or the lack of your actual knowledge about a particular group

[raven shuttle]

serious chat ✌️😭
it just means people here talk about topics seriously

[raven shuttle]

damn, well that's how life is

ups and downs, no?
i hope it all works out for you in the end ❤️

[chrome fossil]

what is going on

[manic juniper]

It's crazy how a 2010 game is a lot more taxing on a series 50 Nvidia card than a 2022 game

[chrome fossil]

stress is permanent 🙂

[formal pilot]

Yahoodistan is still bombing kids, after ceasefire

[raven shuttle]

unless it's cut from the root 😊

[manic juniper]

Is it just optimised like shit or is it the poor Windows 11 compatibility

[raven shuttle]

probably cuz the 2010 game is less optimised lol

or it wasnt thought that you'd use it on a 50 rtx

but to be also fair, the 50 series just sucks man

[raven shuttle]

depends on the game too but
i wouldnt wanna always say windows 11 cuz its just not that

[manic juniper]

It is fairly ok, they're optimised in power consumption compared to the 40 and 30

[raven shuttle]

ehhh so so

i use a 4060

[manic juniper]

I use the 5060

[raven shuttle]

and speaking of power consumption

it reminded me of how the 4090 melts the power cable lmfaoo

[raven shuttle]

yooo, we're twinning then
in a way

[manic juniper]

So far only Batman Arkham Asylum is very taxing on it

Seems like performance loss has random spikes

[raven shuttle]

that really shouldnt happen

is your cpu adequate alongside the gpu? maybe throttles and whatnot

[manic juniper]

It seems like it doesn't matter which resolution I pick the game always had random performance dips

[formal pilot]

Still no streaming, sucha waste of pc

[raven shuttle]

well the performance dips can be caused by multiple things

i cant directly say without seeing them myself but
personally, my cpu would throttle during gameplay to reduce the usage which caused freezes and fps drops during gameplay

i changed my cpu cooling paste into something much better and that fixed the issue
but putting aside cpu

it might be windows 11 sure, but the fps drops dont really align with an OS
the OS would more so cause issues during launch or how the game is stable
if you can play the game but have fps drops, then the OS i think isnt the issue

[raven shuttle]

isfrun streams?

[chrome fossil]

that was right

[manic juniper]

I can't stream a game that gets to 15 FPS for no reasons

The stream will be something like 7 FPS, you may as well watch the image section on Google search

[raven shuttle]

so yeah
always keep your head up ✌️

stress is temporary

[raven shuttle]

you also gotta count in how discord can destablise your game during streams 😭

[formal pilot]

She makes plans, but never actually does it

[manic juniper]

Even if it's turned off nothing changes, anyway I looked it up and the 5060 is the issue

They dropped support for 32 bit PhysX, just why

[raven shuttle]

welp...ig planning is the first step

[chrome fossil]

I'm really tired of it so can't say this right now

[formal pilot]

It's been over a year

[raven shuttle]

oooooh, maybe

i dont use a 50 series like i said so cant comment

[raven shuttle]

rome wasnt built in a day

[chrome fossil]

I feel really good about you

[raven shuttle]

all good twin
take some time off discord and get some fresh air

🫶

[chrome fossil]

I just take a long break like 4month I think

but nothing happend

[plain ruin]

Pretty sure there's mods or workarounds for that

I remember the PhysX thing being huge when people started finding out that support was being dropped

[formal pilot]

Curse be upon your game
Curse be upon ΑΡΚΟΣΑΥΡΟΣ

[raven shuttle]

well there's taking a break and then there's enjoying the break

getting fresh air is useful but you also have to appreciate the fresh air and silence for a moment

life can be really stressful, i know that very well lol
but you should never let it bring you down to it's level

you always gotta be in hold of your reins and manage life in your own way
because it's a constant flowing stream of water, and you dont wanna get caught in the stream

so long story short, break or no break just try to take it easier on yourself and relax
and if your enviroment causes stress, then try to love yourself more oftenly

[formal pilot]

There should be a game named Putin stimulator 3d

[raven shuttle]

unironically mods fix everything LOL
so shawn might be right

[manic juniper]

The only workaround is turning them off

[raven shuttle]

i think the only other game i know that uses physX is borderlands 2?

and even that is optional so, kinda dumb from arkham asylum

[manic juniper]

I will try something else

[raven shuttle]

well have you tried turning them off to see the difference?

[formal pilot]

I've no clue what PhysX is

And I'm happier in life

[manic juniper]

It will probably run like butter but it's annoying that I have to give that up

[chrome fossil]

If that gonna work I have to thank you for sure

[manic juniper]

And PC gamers brag about superiority over consoles

[plain ruin]

Oh wow, you gotta literally have an older GPU, only way

[raven shuttle]

nvidia physics
it's like...idk man

some people like it? i personally dont
it looks like play doh

[raven shuttle]

well dont thank me before trying
there's no secret to life, it's just learning to love yourself above everything lol ✌️😚

[raven shuttle]

i mean to be blunt with you twin
your pc is probably superior to like 10 ps4s combined LOL

the fact that you can modify your game alone is a statement of superiority

[manic juniper]

It randomly breaks for no reasons tho, even on Windows 10

[formal pilot]

Yeah i totally understood it

[raven shuttle]

breaks as in crashes? do you get crash logs too or just sudden crashes

[manic juniper]

I recall having to input an advanced command to force the laptop to use the Vulkan API because it acted as if it wasn't present or installed

[manic juniper]

No, just things not working for no apparent reason because PCs are like that

[raven shuttle]

lmfaooo

[manic juniper]

Consoles work most of the times, and even pirating games is easier at least on Nintendo and Sony where you can send download requests to the official servers and they don't bother to check

It's much easier and safer to pirate games

Most PC gamers aren't even aware of this

They act as if pirating is unique to PCs when the same rules apply to consoles

[raven shuttle]

i never really tried those things on console because i eventually just started using my pc full time

but im familiar with pirating on console at least

stuff like jailbreaks too, right?

[manic juniper]

Yes

I think PCs are superior when it comes to customisation and modding but consoles win when it comes to quality and price plus pirating

Even when I have to pirate disc images on PC to play emulated games I can send download requests straight to Sony and they will accept them

[raven shuttle]

oh yeah, by your description it does literally sound easier lol

and pcs are superior in customisation and allowing so much of that

but your description pretty much makes it sound like paradise for piraters lol

my country really doesnt bother with piracy laws, nor does my isp
so i can torrent stuff with ease
but for those who dont have the same luxury, console sounds easier
if theyre willing to put up with stuff like locked fps ig

[manic juniper]

Yes but it's never 100% safe or as easy as sending a request to the official servers

[raven shuttle]

yeah true

hence why i think piraters will have an easier time

the more you know though lol
just learnt something new today 😇

[fresh flower]

Salam walakum

[raven shuttle]

selamın aleyküm

[thorny steeple]

salam

[uncut tiger]

Did I hack someones dms

[fresh flower]

Disgusting Hindu fuck

[uncut tiger]

It's js two people

[thorny steeple]

are you pakistani

[uncut tiger]

Bad Ollie

Don't be Jewish

[fresh flower]

Not you bro

[uncut tiger]

I'm American

[fresh flower]

The poop fetish guy

[uncut tiger]

Ik but don't be Jewish

[thorny steeple]

pakistan flag?

[uncut tiger]

Yeah I got deported

[raven shuttle]

but yeah, good talk twin 🫶

[thorny steeple]

are you trollin

[formal pilot]

Vc when?

[outer hawk]

Hi guys

[thorny steeple]

🌈

[raven shuttle]

sunshine and rainbows

[plain ruin]

Welcome back Eetwont Flush

[fresh flower]

Bro blocked me 💔💔💔

[plain ruin]

The guilty ones always do

[uncut tiger]

[raven shuttle]

crazy how you said something so fitting of your pfp 😭

[uncut tiger]

What makes you think that

[plain ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/man-like-batman-gif-26794786

[raven shuttle]

''I AM VENGEANCE.''

i really love the noir theme of batman 2022

[fresh flower]

Ask him why he has a poop fetish and he'll block you too

[plain ruin]

Don't need to, I still recall the "bigfoot" argument

[formal pilot]

Let's start with DM vc

[plain ruin]

Average reddit atheist

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-the-war-ukraine-russia-news-ukraine-ukraine-war2022-russia-ukraine-gif-25120857

[plain ruin]

When did you turn into Nobu!?!?

[thorny steeple]

smash

[high rapids]

thanks

[formal pilot]

After getting baptized in ganga

[thorny steeple]

remove that protester, i just wanna see her blab

🤤

[plain ruin]

😭

[high rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051647477910085742/1428732116639940740/MochiundMinti.gif

[plain ruin]

We got Eetwont thirsting over women now dawg

CRAZY

[uncut tiger]

💀 but why

[thorny steeple]

smash but cute one

[thorny steeple]

i was always into woman tf

[plain ruin]

Didn't ever seem like it

You seem way too girlypop to be straight

[thorny steeple]

wait no

[plain ruin]

Even bi, imo

[thorny steeple]

i had a girly pfp

bc i liked the girls in my pfp

😭

[plain ruin]

No, the pfp was one thing

I'm talking about your talking style and whatnot

[thorny steeple]

they were my love of my life

[high rapids]

thanks

[sharp summit]

This is a serious chat guys

[thorny steeple]

nayeon
jeongyeon
momo
sana
jihyo
mina
dahyun
chaeyoung
tzuyu

[high rapids]

I´m serious

[thorny steeple]

you wish

[raven shuttle]

women so good bro has them on his pfp as a tribute 😭

[sharp summit]

About what

[thorny steeple]

duh

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/emily-rhoc-white-people-gif-13798659

[sharp summit]

I don't, it's the truth lady.

[raven shuttle]

are these kpop singers

[sharp summit]

You in support of white people?

[raven shuttle]

south korean names so

[high rapids]

Yes because I´m White

[sharp summit]

Do you hate black?

[high raven]

Have you been vetted by @feral river

[high rapids]

Did i said that?

[high raven]

You can't claim to be white without his approval

[thorny steeple]

minji
sua
yoohyeon
dami
gahyeon
siyeon
handong

[thorny steeple]

yes

[feral river]

we are all white comrade

[sharp summit]

A question mark in a sentence means the sentence is a question.

[high rapids]

yes

[raven shuttle]

say*

[sharp summit]

How can you say that

[high rapids]

Thanks

[fresh flower]

Welcome to the Aryan Brotherhood

[plain ruin]

Dawg

[raven shuttle]

i highly doubt that

this server isnt an ethnostate 😭

[raven shuttle]

sick

[lime cobalt]

Im bacckkkk

[fresh flower]

You can be white too

[lime cobalt]

[raven shuttle]

well i am white

[sharp summit]

Welcome back

[plain ruin]

Ping every dude named Aryan right now

[fresh flower]

It's not about just skin colour

[sharp summit]

It is

[raven shuttle]

ehhh

[manic juniper]

Reasons?

[manic juniper]

No

[fresh flower]

No it isn't

White is a state of mind

[lime cobalt]

Define white !!

[plain ruin]

Bro @sharp summit first of all, this is NOT a serious chat at all💀 This is the politics/troll channel

[sharp summit]

Black people absorb more heat because they are white.

[raven shuttle]

well my skin colour i'd say lol
turks are generally white, but not snow white if you get what i say
mediterranean type

[sharp summit]

Read the name of the channel.

[fresh flower]

Isfrun what is your pfp bro it looks scary

[manic juniper]

Same as Chinese I guess

[fresh flower]

BROSKI WHAT😭😭😭

[plain ruin]

Oh boy... New to the internet are we?

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/medievil-2-thoughtful-task-skeleton-playstation-gif-13995640435186578209

[sharp summit]

God nerfed black people

[raven shuttle]

i suppose
asians are their own category with culture and differences

turks also actually came from asians and came from where mongolia is today

[sharp summit]

No

[raven shuttle]

love this game

[manic juniper]

We did too, that's why we aren't white

[plain ruin]

Not as bad as the one who shall not be named

[plain ruin]

Sure

[raven shuttle]

yeah but who's we in this scenario 😭

[high raven]

I remember this

I think it was called medievil

[sharp summit]

Am I acting weird?

[lime cobalt]

U can play chess bro

[manic juniper]

Finno-Samic people

[fresh flower]

Yall both geriatrics on Allah

[plain ruin]

It's a discord server, just because something is labelled "serious" doesn't mean it is dawg

[sharp summit]

Yes I can. Can you?

[manic juniper]

Our ancestors originated from Yakutsk

[plain ruin]

This is one of the least serious channels on the server

[raven shuttle]

oh you're from scandinavia?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[lime cobalt]

Nope , never touch it

Teach me

[fresh flower]

Don't waste your time on chess

[manic juniper]

Sort of

[sharp summit]

Discord claims that naming channel is to define the type of content in that channel.

[raven shuttle]

in that case
i'd say theres definitely two different topics of ''being white'' ig
with like culture and just skin colour

skin colour wise we're both white
culture wise? ig not

[sharp summit]

Take it back.

[fresh flower]

Chess is just about memorising openings, if you want a real cognitive challenge, play fortnite

[manic juniper]

Wtf happened, the game ran at 32 FPS stable then it suddenly upped to 60 stable after a fight

[raven shuttle]

well if you dont mind me asking, because you piqued my curiousity
where are you from?

[hidden shore]

I am addicted to tea

[sharp summit]

Why not. So lets start

[manic juniper]

Finland

[sharp summit]

Hell no brother i

[plain ruin]

Well, none of the content here is serious

[sharp summit]

Ahh okk

[plain ruin]

Ngl ts real

[raven shuttle]

that's cool, used to know a guy from finland

[fresh flower]

Why? Memorising openings is the same as building on fortnite, you have to remember what goes where. Fortnite also has a cognitive challenge that chess doesn't have, which would be spatial awareness and reflexes

[sharp summit]

Fortnite is for kids with their parent's credit card

[raven shuttle]

to be fair both chess and fortnite rely on cognitive functions
because both chess and fortnite at first rely on openings

''which piece should i move''
''where should i land''
and both rely on either the zone or what the other person does

afterwards, during the match of both of these games you'll actually rely on cognition and intellect

fortnites really fun though
i play zero build but its still really enjoyable to experience the fps

[sharp summit]

Chess is not just about memorising openings. It's about using tactics and taking the right decision which cannot be take back by means of securing and protecting your future position.

[plain ruin]

Chess relies a lot more on pattern recognition/memorization and vision at a higher level, rather than just calculating the best move

[raven shuttle]

touche

[thorny steeple]

beer disguised as tea

[fresh flower]

You're literally describing fortnite

[raven shuttle]

this though does literally define fps shooters like fortnite

[manic juniper]

Tactics is literally Fortnite, if you wanted to differentiate it you should mention strategy

[raven shuttle]

strategy applies to fortnite as well, but on a different level from chess

[sharp summit]

On the other hand fortnite is about exploring chests, locations and goofy ah skins.

[hidden shore]

just reinstall windown 10 back, windown 11 sucks ass

[fresh flower]

Back to my point though, chess in general doesn't test your spatial awareness and reflexes the way fortnite does, you could argue that blitz does but even then it's not as fast-paced as fortnite

[raven shuttle]

@manic juniper

[sharp summit]

Fornite isn't a fps game.

[hidden shore]

any probelm with my GPU

[raven shuttle]

true mb
third person shooter is more accurate

though there are some first person shooter gamemodes

[manic juniper]

How can I reinstall something this computer never had

[sharp summit]

If something which is closest to chess is valorant.

[fresh flower]

Win 11 is not bad you're bugging

[manic juniper]

Anyway I had to sacrifice High PhysX simulation, now I'm running on Medium

[raven shuttle]

realistically you could change the OS
rather than redownloading, you can replace it

im just sayinnnn

[plain ruin]

Turn XMP on bro...

[manic juniper]

Very impractical at this point

[raven shuttle]

well i think your drivers are a little outdated but other than that all good

[fresh flower]

I was gonna say

[plain ruin]

Fuck is your RAM doing at 2666mhz in 2025

[fresh flower]

2666mhz

[hidden shore]

my brother he want to get a Nvidia GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 16GB, but i think mine this one, it can be used for 10 years without any problems to running a modern game😹

[plain ruin]

It's not even an OS setting, bro always had XMP off😭😭😭

[raven shuttle]

oh i didnt even check the images lillil sent previously
just read ''windows 11 sucks ass'' LOL

[raven shuttle]

2666 mhz is wild

[hidden shore]

GPU ranking list

[plain ruin]

Wait till you find out about planned obsolescence...

[raven shuttle]

also it's an fps game, not a

[raven shuttle]

nah gpus fine
it's just your ram's mhz is a little high

[manic juniper]

TPS

[thorny steeple]

bro went backwards

[sharp summit]

First thing its "a" and fps is first person shooter

[thorny steeple]

tahoe 26.0 is best

[raven shuttle]

i know bro 😭
fortnites third person

im saying, it's not ''a fps game''
it's an fps game

[thorny steeple]

its a fps game

💀

[sharp summit]

How are you fluent?

[plain ruin]

Oh boy
No, not at all, it's an
You use an before words that have a vowel sound not just vowels
You say "I'll be there in an hour" not "I'll be there in a hour"

[hidden shore]

that one is not important, the heart of pc is GPU

[sharp summit]

This is the most basic thing in english

[raven shuttle]

i mean you can google if you dont believe me

[thorny steeple]

aeiou

[plain ruin]

Oh boy😭😭😭😭😭

[raven shuttle]

ay lmfao

[hidden shore]

it is already on

[plain ruin]

Why do you have 2666mhz ram bro💔💔💔

[sharp summit]

I know that brother

[raven shuttle]

it really is important bro 😭
make sure your drivers are always up to date

because if the heart of the gpu isnt healthy
it cant beat

[thorny steeple]

how much is that in gb

[sharp summit]

F in 'fps' isn't a vowel sound

[raven shuttle]

it is lmao

it's pronounced as ef

[hidden shore]

i got six fans

[thorny steeple]

💀

[sharp summit]

Bro

[thorny steeple]

i got none

[plain ruin]

Sigh... https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/13ogux/do_you_use_a_or_an_before_an_acronym_like_fps/

[raven shuttle]

lmao, i mean idk if l'll use reddit as citation but yeah

[plain ruin]

That... Oh god

[sharp summit]

Ok redit post?

[raven shuttle]

bro is preparing for the apocalpyse wth

[thorny steeple]

just get a AC

[plain ruin]

12 year old post, so its from when reddit was informative

[sharp summit]

Literally?

[hidden shore]

1 year without clear dirt shit there

[raven shuttle]

TRUE...
i mean if they dont wanna believe us they can just google or ask ai lol

[hidden shore]

[raven shuttle]

oh hey thats me

[raven shuttle]

are you a streamer or something

also your id card is showing 😭, below the monitor

[hidden shore]

Also i have a gaming laptop there

[small bison]

You use a or an before the word FPS? I thought you just say "it's FPS"

[plain ruin]

One that matches the exact topic
The sound is "ef" which is a vowel sound, the rule is meant to help use "a" without causing difficulty in pronounciation in the following word, by not having one vowel sound before a vowel sound

[raven shuttle]

if you want to refer to a game
you use an fps game

''it's fps'' is fine but it lacks the correct grammar

[plain ruin]

Specificity is important in English generally

[raven shuttle]

i know i can rely on batman bro

[hidden shore]

My Laptop

[raven shuttle]

damn leaking the entire thing huh
first id, now gmail

😭

[rough inlet]

Hello

[raven shuttle]

bonjour

[rough inlet]

How are you

[hidden shore]

Also i have a vr headset

[plain ruin]

If you enjoy saying "uh uh" that's up to you

[hidden shore]

[high raven]

Do you not get dizzy?

[plain ruin]

Back to you... Your 6 fans don't matter if your RAM is on stock settings

[high raven]

I bought one for msfs but I couldn't use it for more than half an hour, I returned it after a week

[plain ruin]

Idk how you managed to get 2666mhz RAM in 2025

[hidden shore]

yessir

[hidden shore]

One of my friends whatever he plays he never got dizzy, and me i got headaches and passed out

[sharp summit]

Are you obsessed with me 😭. I went to washroom and I am pinned 6 times here.

[tall elm]

hi everyone

[sharp summit]

Hi

[austere moat]

Why do some humans crave attention and some not at all y'all?

[plain ruin]

Pinged you like twice... Not anymore than you talked to me

[plain ruin]

Upbringing

[sharp summit]

Ok good

[hidden shore]

😵‍💫 unless you using a game with 16 k

[high raven]

It's the same for me, I heard great things about VR but it's just too nauseating. It really sucks because flight simulation is so much more fun and immersive in VR

[austere moat]

Umm, do you mind explaining a bit?

[sharp summit]

Because humans are attracted towards attraction.

[hidden shore]

When I get older iam not interested in games anymore

[plain ruin]

Usually upto 3200mhz you'd see noticeable improvements from RAM alone
It's beyond 3200mhz where it's not worth spending more

[hidden shore]

[tall elm]

how is it going?

[sharp summit]

Who is this rich boy?

[austere moat]

Why do some avoid attention then?

[sharp summit]

Great wbu?

[tall elm]

Same

[sharp summit]

When they stop caring about people and they loose interest in other humans.

[plain ruin]

People usually value what they see others value while they grow up
Children with parents obsessed with attention will often crave attention themselves, and vice versa

It's usually parent-children relationships or guardian-child relationships that from attention

[hidden shore]

i just using vr to watch movie and videos

[plain ruin]

That's usually though, not always the case

[hidden shore]

i can not play games like simulations type shit on vr, i will pass out

[austere moat]

Or maybe they grow to hate attention maybe it feels manipulative or overwhelming to them

[plain ruin]

I don't think he understood your question

[austere moat]

Yeah that's correct but sometimes if parents neglect or dismiss them they crave it even more or if parents pay too much attention they start maintaining distance or avoid attention

[raven shuttle]

because individualism is the deep root of all human psyche
some learn that pride and attention and validation is the root of all happiness

and some learn humility and humbleness is the root of happiness

people are molded as they grow up, so their childhood influences them to a great length

[austere moat]

Umm

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-styles-npr-take-me-look-up-gif-16600927

[sharp summit]

No I think humans compare to each other. Attention always feel like you are getting loved than someone else. That's why people crave for it and those who don't care about it, loose craving attention.

[austere moat]

Lol why 😭

[hidden shore]

Full of proteins my dinner

[raven shuttle]

man lillil in their own universe lmao

[plain ruin]

In cases with narcissistic parents, the child will observe the parents craving attention a lot, and imitate them, too much attention from the parents usually means parents not seeking attention for themselves from others, the child will distance themselves, just like the parents do

[sharp summit]

I guess dinner like that is a bit tough to digest

[raven shuttle]

precisely,

a lot of the reasons why children can grow up to be narcissistic or just grow up with bad traits
is purely from the parents

both by warding them poorly or by genetics

[raven shuttle]

enjoy your meal bro

[austere moat]

Ummm yeah makes sense

[plain ruin]

You asked for a "cause" for why someone would seek/not seek attention
He gave a reason as to why someone may choose to seek/not seek attention at a later stage of life

[raven shuttle]

if it doesnt do tell me to simplify it :)

[hidden shore]

thank you

[hidden shore]

yessir

[raven shuttle]

love the starry nights banner btw

[plain ruin]

Yup
Too many people don't want to think that they're anything like their parents, even though they are

[austere moat]

Do you know why some ppl stop craving attention?

[raven shuttle]

unfortunately they are yeah

you're molded by your parents both consentually and unconsentually
you will pick up things they do and you will do the exact same things eventually

question is, if you want to change

[austere moat]

So you're they mirror their parents?

[raven shuttle]

in a way, yes

[high raven]

At a certain point you realise that external factors shouldn't and don't affect your self-worth

[plain ruin]

• Negative experiences
• Reflection on the past
• Change in worldview

[raven shuttle]

pretty much what shawn and sanna stated

[austere moat]

Ahan

[plain ruin]

That's how everyone starts out till their teens, then its a matter of choosing how you wanna be

[raven shuttle]

true, especially when the rebellious phase starts loool

[austere moat]

Hahaha nah it does that's so generous of you btw

[austere moat]

Thank you so much

[raven shuttle]

of course! it's my pleasure

dont ever feel discouraged from asking me or others

[austere moat]

Alright

[austere moat]

So, attention is equal to self-worth?

[plain ruin]

No, she's saying that attention shouldn't and doesn't equate to self-worth

[raven shuttle]

validation is definitely a form of self worth to some people

both to people with low self esteem and an eagerness to please
and to glory hounds who want to be complimented

[plain ruin]

But self-worth is also what you make it, some people derive their self-worth from attention, but it shouldn't be that way

[austere moat]

Umm cool

[raven shuttle]

true but she's also asking a general question, no?

[raven shuttle]

true

[high raven]

(In my opinion) Low self-worth often drives attention-seeking as a way to gain external validation and feel temporarily valued

[raven shuttle]

validation is definitely serotonin to some people lol

[plain ruin]

I mean in context of the reply, she asked the opposite of what sanna's statement said

[raven shuttle]

oh yeah fair

[austere moat]

Yeah appreciate it

[plain ruin]

First serious chat in #🧠｜serious-chat in 2025

[raven shuttle]

it's a constant cycle ouroboros with those sorts of people

not to be judgemental of course, anyone who feels this way and feels this weak should definitely talk to people and learn to love themselves

[formal pilot]

They all are destroying my market

[plain ruin]

Just wait for tomorrow

[raven shuttle]

yeah i definitely caused a butterfly effect yesterday with my debate

[formal pilot]

Let the depressed person come to us

[raven shuttle]

are you a therapist 😭

[plain ruin]

N***?

Oh you weren't talking about him💔

[formal pilot]

Haven't got the license yet, but yes I'm one

[high raven]

Oh I agree, you can't help but feel pity, it's a craving that won't be satisfied

[raven shuttle]

that's awesome man, good for you

[austere moat]

Like, if someone isn't getting attention as a child, then they shouldn't think that they're not enough, right?

[raven shuttle]

yeah in a way it's a gluttony of self deprecation
they make themselves feel worse and feel worse by external factors like ''it's never enough''

so the ouroboros cycle continues from wanting to feel validated to getting bread crumbs

[formal pilot]

Leave him alone, he's a man of god

[raven shuttle]

well they will feel that way
no matter how they grow up and cope with it

it will leave some marks on the child
parental attention is very unique

[austere moat]

Yeah I mean it's kinda connected

[raven shuttle]

yeahhh

[austere moat]

Yeah but isn't it human nature to crave attention since humans are social animals?

[raven shuttle]

yes but not to rely on the attention itself
humans are social animals in the sense that they will be social and diplomatic first

but to crave and rely on that social, especially that validation of a good social
is a flaw

[high raven]

Exactly! Best thing to do, in my opinion, if you're now in that position is to try and disconnect from it all and learn to appreciate being by and with yourself. For some it's hard to completely detach from e.g. social media and the way it rewards you with attention from others, but there's other ways to do it, like travelling solo and learning to appreciate yourself and your own experiences.

I'm rambling and I'm not sure if that made sense

[plain ruin]

As a child, we all have a required amount of attention,

1. Neglectful parents neglect child of the required amount of attention
   The child learns that they have to put a lot of effort to get the required amount of attention
   Leads to attention seeking, since they have to put effort

2. Obsessive parents give the child too much attention
   The child learns that they don't have to put a lot of effort to get the required amount of attention
   Leads to them not seeking for attention, since they don't have to

[austere moat]

🧢 you're in real estate

[plain ruin]

There's a balance

It's raining after forever, been praying for days like this

[raven shuttle]

well ironically rambling is where you say things from the heart than the mind so i appreciate that lol

but yes you're also right
social media is definitely a low hanging fruit in terms of craving validation

[coral belfry]

good afternoon

[high raven]

No you're completely right, but I'd say that craving connection is natural, but seeking constant attention (How this topic started) stems from insecurity, not social instinct. I'd even double down and say that healthy bonds with others don’t necessarily rely on validation

[raven shuttle]

good afternoon

[austere moat]

Umm yeah and it will be their attachment style

[raven shuttle]

yeah pretty much
''seeking constant attention'' sets the stone on this

[raven shuttle]

in a way yes
this can affect their relationships too in terms of romantically and commitment wise

if you're familiar with stuff like anxious attachment type or avoidant attachment type

[plain ruin]

since you know the term, you'll often see that these are caused by the ones who raised the kid
and especially that it can change over time, with effort, that's what is most important

[austere moat]

Ahan I like it the way you present it articulately

[wet dragon]

Hi there! Guys how do i need to write to my teacher?
Like "Hello sir "
Or "Hi mr ---"
Or by another way?

[raven shuttle]

it's my job as a poet to present things at an orderly and eloquent fashion

[raven shuttle]

hello professor or teacher
or ''good afternoon'' professor or teacher

sir is fine too though
prof or teach is just more formal and respectful

[austere moat]

Dw you're absolutely making sense here

[plain ruin]

Should be fine as is, is it an email or something more official

[wet dragon]

Just messenger

[plain ruin]

Then whatever you said is already fine

[raven shuttle]

then yeah a hello and teacher or profesor will work

i dont really like the ''sir'' cuz its a bit too simple 🤷‍♀️

[wet dragon]

So
"Good afternoon teacher Jess,thats me ___"?

[raven shuttle]

yeah something more like that
teacher jess would work

do you want help with the writing too or just this part? 😊

[austere moat]

Yeah but how sometimes a neglected child ends up being an attention seeker yet the child with too much attention starts detaching

[golden jetty]

This is deep

[austere moat]

Umm

[plain ruin]

That's exactly what I explained, give it another read

[wet dragon]

Only this part,thanks sir!!

[fresh flower]

On the topic of childhood

[raven shuttle]

take your time twin 🫶 give the messages a re read if you dont understand them

[plain ruin]

If you're neglected, you compulsively crave attention because you learn that you have to put a lot of effort to get attention @austere moat

[austere moat]

Alright

[fresh flower]

Normalise hitting your kids for discipline

[plain ruin]

They all go on and explain it

[raven shuttle]

of course man, np

[raven shuttle]

wild

[fresh flower]

If I become pm of Sweden I will legalise hitting your kids

[raven shuttle]

do NOT let this guy be pm 😭

[fresh flower]

You haven't met these spoiled fucks

[plain ruin]

Thinkpad😭😭😭😭💔

[raven shuttle]

😭 🙏 🥀

[austere moat]

Yeah ppl hate anxious and avoidant attachment style haha and God forbid if someone has both

[fresh flower]

Bro at least its parents hit it sometimes

Here the kids literally curse out their parents over ipad time

[austere moat]

Yeah

[raven shuttle]

yeah it's quite sad

i dont think people can have both, but i guess a mixture of both?
either way, it does negatively affect relationships and the person themselves

[plain ruin]

Its parents also take it away from school 4 days a week

[fresh flower]

Whenever I see a child curse and throw a tantrum around their parents I immediately see them as failures

[austere moat]

Then you're good at it I must say

[raven shuttle]

thank you ❤️

i write haikus and poems very often
but on here i'm just good at writing in a certain way

[fresh flower]

NK owes Sweden money those mfs never paying us back

[plain ruin]

Those volvos💔

[austere moat]

Yeah I get it now thank you so much for explaining

[feral river]

it's not North Korea but the true only Korea

[raven shuttle]

how it feels having the first ever ''necrocracy''

[feral river]

🇰🇵

[austere moat]

Surely btw appreciate it

[plain ruin]

Reminds me of when I was unironically listening to North Korean radio stations this year

[fresh flower]

We don't even ask them about it anymore because our embassy there is the only trusted one to be used as talking to the west

[raven shuttle]

olivander are you involved in swedish politics? like as a civil servant?
i think im assuming swedish tho idk

[plain ruin]

Hail Sweden Hail Lund

Zenax bro I blame you for getting banned

[fresh flower]

No I have extremists views

[plain ruin]

You posted the vid and got banned in like a minute

[raven shuttle]

geniunely?

[cerulean pivot]

He's just a white guy with severe autism

[raven shuttle]

the so called political expert 😭 🙏

[cerulean pivot]

Nothing serious

[fresh flower]

Yes, I'm not talking nazi stuff though

[plain ruin]

Holy balls

[raven shuttle]

i am well aware what extremism means in this regard

[cerulean pivot]

Unfortunately

[plain ruin]

Why's it gotta be a storm bro

[raven shuttle]

discord and politics never go hand to hand 😭

[fresh flower]

My views are only extremists here in Sweden, e.g. not glazing LGBTQ or detaching from the EU

[raven shuttle]

what does ''glazing lgbtq'' mean

[cerulean pivot]

@formal pilot tf are you on

[raven shuttle]

also detaching from the eu? like brexit?

[plain ruin]

This is the politics channel until our talks took over

Come back tomorrow and you'll see what I'm talking about

[raven shuttle]

and is the politics here actually good or dogshit 😭

[formal pilot]

Unfortunately I'm not dark

[austere moat]

Bro, see that's my point, why is someone who didn't get any attention isn't craving attention? Maybe it's an emotional shutdown or something? Or numbness

[cerulean pivot]

Not "Tanned" according to him

We
Who's we ... 🥀

[austere moat]

[cerulean pivot]

Que

[plain ruin]

Neither, the politics here make Saddam Hussein look like an upstanding figure of society

[cerulean pivot]

" why do you support them , if they see your kind they'll kill them " ahh

[raven shuttle]

yeah but...they are a persecuted group

sweden isnt really known for their liberal views
especially in terms of religious or lgbtq wise

especially after the 2023 burning of quarans lmao

so if sweden wants go down a more liberal and inclusive route, they would do these sorts of things
i guess you can say they can overdo it but abandoning it completely isnt really useful because as of now sweden's policy does include gender equality and liberal education

[spice bobcat]

La taqlaq lil bro hru

[raven shuttle]

LOL

[cerulean pivot]

An infant child could kill a gay yeah sure

[fresh flower]

Yes, I think a Nordic union should be formed. EU has constantly fucked us over, those morons approve of and wage war and yet we are forced to take in more and more immigrants. Inflation and electricity prices is also a direct result of EU

[raven shuttle]

idk about allat

[hoary glen]

Perhaps in the eyes of some Iraqis, Saddam is upright

[plain ruin]

So someone as a kid didn't get attention
And that grown up kid isn't craving attention now
Got it

It's rarer but usually it's like what you said, shutdown/numbness, realizing that nothing can ever satisfy their parents/make their parents give them attention, so they subconciously stop looking for attention

[cerulean pivot]

A lot of them believe that
Especially the one's in the west , immigrants

[raven shuttle]

a nordic union meaning scandinavia should be united under a faction than something like nato or? or is this union functioning like sco or the turkic union turkey has?

[cerulean pivot]

Fine fine wbu broda

[spice bobcat]

Taxi telefoni fr. Doing great, good to see you back bye

[raven shuttle]

that is true, you guys have the most progressive laws regarding lgbtq

[austere moat]

Yeah it does it's like the worst attachment style someone can have like they crave attention or human connection and at the same time they are afraid or they don't want to rely on it it's a literal paradox

[cerulean pivot]

Appreciate it twin

[fresh flower]

Not only as a defensive umbrella but also for economic cooperation that relies less on what Brussels decide goes for everyone in the EU

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/people-who-don't-know-vs-people-who-know-those-who-don't-know-vs-those-who-know-gif-18075947697117816471

[austere moat]

Gtk pleasure

[raven shuttle]

two edgelords 😭

[fresh flower]

You don't have to be in the EU itself to be economically strong, just look at Norway

[neat shore]

Again some serious chat

[raven shuttle]

i see, do youd prefer if scandinavia formed an economical and political cooperational council among themselves than rely on the eu union?

[cerulean pivot]

The Mexican gypsyness and the gold theif

[hoary glen]

Why? Don't immigrants to the West hate dictators more?

[cerulean pivot]

Nuh
They fucking adore him

Unfortunately

[austere moat]

Yeah humans are pretty complex

[fresh flower]

Absolutely yes, it would solve so many issues and create more or less none of the issues that Brexit faced

[hoary glen]

[fresh flower]

It just won't ever happen because our politicians are spineless bums

[cerulean pivot]

Never ever happened

[plain ruin]

Not necessarily
Iraqis can love Saddam while also accepting that Iraq is worse to live/work in than the US

At the same time, they can also hate dictators and want to stay in the country, even if they have the freedom/opportunity to leave

[cerulean pivot]

I mean , there's also allegations about the The royal family, some Iraqis wish it would return even now

[cerulean pivot]

These ideas are really useless. Instead of digging in the dust of the past, look to the future

[plain ruin]

Idk bro
The last time I heard Iraq on the news, was when they came to Kuwait for the match and the stadium got all screwed up

[formal pilot]

Check DMs

[plain ruin]

Idk iraqi politics

[wet dragon]

Me and

[raven shuttle]

i see, you might be right on that
brexit was purely fueled by demented nationalism and the uk faced so many problems afterwards lmfao

i guess if countries like norway or finland stood with sweden on this they would somewhat stand on their feet

the eu union does take in a lot of immigrants too as youve said, the immigrant policy is really relaxed due to ''western'' views
which in return can cause a lot of right wing radicalism because of high immigrancy

i suppose to find a compromise sweden could go for a more ''swedish'' route than ''eu'' or even ''western''
not completely right wing but just more ''my country, imma focus on me'' with a non aligned view set

sweden would need to continue trade relations and good relations with the rest of the eu but i suppose ''leaving'' the eu union can be somewhat acheiveable
the thing is, the euroskeptism is really not that high for that to be achieveable

[cerulean pivot]

Bro you look Slavic

Not even white

[wet dragon]

That's not me on pfp, but yes I'm russian

[cerulean pivot]

Great guessing

[wet dragon]

Not guessing but yes

[feral river]

are you look white

[cerulean pivot]

In my heart i guessed you're Russian 🤞🏻

[golden jetty]

Moya lubov

[fresh flower]

We're actually trying to go for a "Sweden first" route with our "right-wing" party, but they don't have a majority vote (Yet) and are therefore forced for form coalitions with centrist parties and left-leaning ones to form a government, the former of which sabotage any progress the "right-wing" party tries to make, just to turn around a year later and approve of it

[formal pilot]

They get bombed by USA

[cerulean pivot]

Nuh

[feral river]

wtf

[wet dragon]

Ye

[plain ruin]

Ancient as emergency bro

[wet dragon]

I can give u my photo if u want

[cerulean pivot]

Why i suppose to be one
Arabs are not suppose to be white
Well some of them are but that's a long story

[manic juniper]

Turks in Germany voting for Erdogan

[cerulean pivot]

Not interested

[wet dragon]

Ye

[gritty echo]

Kurulu düzenimiz var yeğen

[fresh flower]

For example a few years ago our "right-wing" party wanted to remove a moronic law that gave criminals a REBATE on combined charges of crime, our centrist parties and left-leaning ones sabotaged it and only recently changed their view and approved of it

[plain ruin]

Now I'm curious on what you think my colour is

[high rapids]

I hope we kick them soon out

[feral river]

white

[plain ruin]

😭😭😭😭

[golden jetty]

Dont cry

[wet dragon]

Yellow??

[plain ruin]

@fresh flower you've seen me right?

[feral river]

I just wanna say wtf besides that no comments

[gritty echo]

The reason for it Erdoğan fucks economy and euro becomes more valuable against Turkish liras, and these Turkish people just getting much nice holiday

[cerulean pivot]

Ok ok

[manic juniper]

Judiciary system in the Nordics is a joke

[fresh flower]

I think so bro not sure though

[gritty echo]

So they are voting for Erdoğan

[raven shuttle]

i see, yeah democracy tends to be that way lol
coalitions can be very bumpy

i'm not involved in my country's politics directly as a civil servant but i'm studying my political science major to become a diplomat

but as i've said
you really cannot achieve a true ''extremist right wing'' government form if that's what you want
like it or not, you will rely on democracy and if you try to change that form you will face external and internal backlash

the most you can do in today's time is go for a non aligned viewset and focus on your own country more than try to align with the west
because ironically sweden (as i've said) has the most progressive laws regarding lgbtq in the entire world
so rather than abandoning them completely, they can i guess try to emphasise more other points like economics or the government popularity amongst the society

governments usually stick to one policy from the moment they start but yeah

[gritty echo]

Because of it,

[plain ruin]

💔

[hoary glen]

It seems that the Turks are really patriotic, Lmao

[plain ruin]

We're only tip twins

[gritty echo]

They are not

[fresh flower]

Bro that's what I'm saying, we used to send our worst criminals to jail in Finland because we ourselves didn't have a "bad" jail

[raven shuttle]

yeah this is the one flaw of democracy lmfao
parliaments especially are so chaotic 😭 no matter where you are

[gritty echo]

They are just like to spend money more on holidays

Read what I wrote

[golden jetty]

Summary: Basically: even if you want a far-right government, you can’t avoid democracy or backlash, so it’s better to stay neutral and focus on domestic issues like economics instead of extreme ideology.

Your welcome gang

[manic juniper]

Repeated offenders don't even get locked up properly and for the time they deserve

It's always the same people doing crimes because they get away with it and they keep walking free

[raven shuttle]

turkish patriotism or rather nationalism is a very demented topic ngl
a lot of turkish people move to euroean countries for better economical enviroments but still choose to involve themselves in the country which is kinda stupid

[plain ruin]

Invite Elif for this

[fresh flower]

Exactly, we fr need to trial kids as adults too

[raven shuttle]

not necessarily? i didnt 100% say that lol
you cant focus on extreme ideology, i'm saying the government can move their policy towards more populist ideas rather than lgbtq ones like olivander stated

[fresh flower]

+90% of shootings here are perpetrated by under-16's

[high rapids]

The only reason we have so many Turks and immigrants in Europe is because of the leftists.

[fresh flower]

Elif is alive?😭

[manic juniper]

In my experience minorities tend to be nationalistic if they are the majority in the country where they come from

Or they are extremely nationalistic and racist if they used to be minorities and move somewhere where they live as the majority/close enough to majority

All the most insane nationalists and racists in my country all come from deportee background

[fresh flower]

If I was pm I'd also ban Lebanese people from Sweden

[cerulean pivot]

They tend to join something bigger than themselves to feel safe

[plain ruin]

This reminds me of the time when I was having too much fun,
I convinced hindu extremists that they wanted Sharia law,
Because of the idea of "killing r**ists"

[gritty echo]

Leftists are just hypocrites, they don't even care about securing their votes against Erdoğan

[plain ruin]

Yes, quite active on ST

[manic juniper]

Me for example, both my parents were minorities in their countries of origin, they moved to Finland where we are almost the same ethnicity as the majority

[gritty echo]

Because they feel okay about it too

[manic juniper]

Ingrian Finn descent people are insanely racist

The most anti-Russian, they make me look like a progressive in comparison

[golden jetty]

More of a populist reorientation?

[gritty echo]

Rich became richer, only poor people getting worse

[cerulean pivot]

Which is in most cases just goofing around
Iranians with pahlavi
Iraqis with ba'ath party
And So on

[raven shuttle]

yeah you can say that

[gritty echo]

In turkey

[plain ruin]

@ Sanna

[fresh flower]

No she'd agree bro

[cerulean pivot]

So there's no lesbians anymore

[plain ruin]

Nvm she'd say the same

[hoary glen]

Yesh, nationalism is like an anesthetic that can help the body get through difficult times, but taking anesthetics for a long time is obviously not a reliable idea.

[manic juniper]

Yes, that annoying Syrian girl who lives in Australia and praises Assad

[plain ruin]

Yeah just remembered💔

[manic juniper]

Because she's Alawite or something idk

[high rapids]

I recently visited the Anne Frank House, but she wasn't there, and it's just a house.

[fresh flower]

Lebanese people in general aren't criminals, but any organised crime ring has a Lebanese person at the very top

[golden jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/jambijon-tanks-daddy-dad-gif-22015840

[fresh flower]

They're very good at organised crime

[cerulean pivot]

niche reference

[manic juniper]

They need someone smart to lead the brutes

[fresh flower]

Unironically true

[manic juniper]

This is why some of them are Yugoslavian war criminals

They have a good track record and a lot of cumulative experience

[golden jetty]

You know arab the youtuber, the video he did in lebanon shows this it's crazy

[high rapids]

Its time to get these Yugos back to there countrys

[manic juniper]

Do you not like Slovenes

[high rapids]

Nope

[manic juniper]

They're basically Slavic speaking Austrians

They act like Austrians and Germans and pretend they are backwards and nationalistic like other South Slavs

"I'm one of you guys! I'm racist too I swear"

[fresh flower]

I haven't seen it bro, but organised crime in Sweden, Germany and Netherlands all have Lebanese people at the very very top

[gritty echo]

It is about Turkic history

Actually,

[high rapids]

?

[golden jetty]

Should I travel there?

[manic juniper]

Slovenes pretend they are the same as Croats and Serbs on the racist scale

[austere moat]

I have another question, hope y'all don't mind it. Like Jeffrey Dahmer, he had a bad childhood, do you think his crimes were a result of his bad childhood, and the real culprits are his parents, who failed to give him attention and love that he later tried to seek in different ppl?
Pov: mentioning you because I liked your previous answers @plain ruin @raven shuttle @high raven if you don't wanna answer that's totally fine

[high rapids]

ah now i get it

[raven shuttle]

ehhh not necessarily no
voting for erdogan isnt turkic history

and the message you replied to is about how some people move to european countries because of turkey's state and still participate in the country's elections

[manic juniper]

Yes it's a very nice country, there are no big cities and Ljubljana is a decent capital

[golden jetty]

Like what sort of organized crime? Any examples?

[gritty echo]

Oh okay I got the point yeah

You are true

[uncut tiger]

Looks like Europeans have a big racism problem

[gritty echo]

They shouldn't be voted

[uncut tiger]

I hope they're not mad when I get my Schengen

[high rapids]

AUSTRIA IS THE BEST COUNTRY

[austere moat]

What are you doing here

[golden jetty]

How is their english?

[manic juniper]

Drug smuggling

[gritty echo]

For turkey

[high rapids]

!??!?!?!

[uncut tiger]

What are you doin here

[manic juniper]

Slovenes have decent English but Austrians are better at it

[uncut tiger]

Yes

[high rapids]

Where are you from?

[manic juniper]

We don't pretend it doesn't exist

[uncut tiger]

The visa?

[plain ruin]

I quickly looked up his Wikipedia and the "Childhood" section says a lot of stuff about his mother and things he was exposed to at a young age

[golden jetty]

I have a relative there, it's apparently a bit boring but nice to live in

[uncut tiger]

Vegas, born and raised

[raven shuttle]

well in my point of view
jeffrey dahmer was both affected genetically and was a psychopath who lacked emotions like sympathy and guilt

his parents, from what i remember were (okay) towards him? i might be wrong
but he as a person was psychopathic and that was the root of all his actions

psychopathy caused him to lack any sense of emotion, especially guilt
which made him become fascinated with those types of things, especially because of his enviroment

so the ''real culprit'' is still him because he's still held accountable
but you can tie it around the fact that he was insane, because he did get put into an asylum

[high rapids]

We are not mad we will kick you out asap

[raven shuttle]

i'm turkish myself so

[golden jetty]

Dating market?

[fresh flower]

Imports/exports of drugs is what all organised crime is based around

[golden jetty]

Daddy I can't keep summarizing

[austere moat]

I'm asking questions

[high rapids]

Boring?!?!?!

[manic juniper]

Don't know

[raven shuttle]

then dont lmao 😭

[uncut tiger]

And I'm asking you

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/whipe-woman-pose-gif-16253147

[plain ruin]

I don't think that parents are always exactly the "culprits" in attention depravity/attention abundance
Because they're mostly completely unaware about what they're doing
At the same time, sometimes the way a person is can have nothing to do with the parents either, so, idk complex

[golden jetty]

Daddy chill I've never been there

[high rapids]

ok Mommy

[austere moat]

Yeah

[plain ruin]

When it comes to his parents, his mother had depression and attention issues,
His father who was a chemist, thought his obsession with bones was out of curiosity at a younger age

[golden jetty]

Dahmer’s neglected childhood might have shaped his emotional detachment and need for control but it doesn’t absolve him and his parents’ failures were contributing factors not the ultimate cause of his crimes

[austere moat]

Yeah like even if he was traumatized that doesn't give him permission to do those things

[raven shuttle]

then yeah his parents definitely influenced him as well
the chemist part definitely influenced dahmer's methods too if i had to guess

[high raven]

I'd say no, a rough childhood can influence someone’s behavior, but it doesn’t determine it. I don't remember much from psychology class but the basics of Bandura’s social learning theory showed that we learn from what we see, yet we still make our own choices.

Many people go through similar trauma, or worse, as the one you pointed out that Dahmer went through, without turning violent, so I'd say that the responsibility is ultimately his, not his parents

[raven shuttle]

yeah pretty much what i said
he's held accountable still despite it all

[austere moat]

Go make your nation proud lil champ

[austere moat]

Hahaha yeah that's what I was saying

[hoary glen]

Is this another kind of convert mania? From the discriminated to the discriminators

[manic juniper]

They do that to feel safer I guess

[plain ruin]

A bit, he once asked his dad what would happen "if chicken bones were placed in bleach" and the dad goes onto demonstrate how to safely bleach and preserve animal bones
That's a kind of topic which needs some delicacy, according to the page, this would've happened when he was just 10

[golden jetty]

Nah I’d argue that yes sure personal choice matters but extreme neglect and trauma can distort development so profoundly that accountability becomes shared between the individual and the environment that shaped them

[raven shuttle]

anyway imma head out, good talk yall

hope everybodys having a wonderful day 🫶
even if the political discussion went a little racist and right wing near the end 😭

[manic juniper]

Or as a sort of sick retribution

[raven shuttle]

@austere moat feel free to ping me if you wanna ask me questions :)

[raven shuttle]

yeah it adds up quite a bit

[plain ruin]

cya another time
take care