🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

the core was not about what was right in such argument but how I'm right in such situation

and most of them do not have the faith to debate with such things, they used to deny the truth and the cause of the objectives rather using an absurd way to explain by their fictional book

that's exactly how a religious mind used to be work like this

YOU CAN'T WAKE UP A GUY WHO IS PRETENDING TO SLEEP

[formal pilot]

🫵

[feral river]

and such situation does not only exist among religious groups which also is rampantly exists among the people who would firmly believe in something without questioning

it's understandable have such mind which you live in such environment which you are not allowed to question anything or the authority

the best situation of reality based on the truth is Minecraftism

that's the core of my ideology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seek_truth_from_facts

Seek truth from facts - Mao Zedong

[spice bobcat]

Nurse, he's out again

And he has the gun

[molten dagger]

How bold of your mouth to say that Allah is arbitrary, who do you think you are? Even Satan is not as brave as this .

nothing, has been changed

[thorny steeple]

well well well

[tropic wedge]

you're welcome

[slender coral]

Idk if you realize this or not, but I don't believe your Allah exists.

[thorny steeple]

Hiee chatt

[slender coral]

Hey

[slender coral]

Mfs seen nothing and his people were celebrating Palestinians starving on social media

[thorny steeple]

so acc to u allah says that jesus is his son??? in Bible but in quran he says he’s not?

[molten dagger]

have you ever studied everything in Quran ? how do you reach this conclusion ? indeed its easy to claim everything you want, but that's not how it work

[molten dagger]

if Allah has a son then he is not God, he same like us who depend on biology process, simple logic.

[thorny steeple]

Idk who tf they are

Evil or human

[thorny steeple]

this is am saying that jesus is not god’s son this was just a miracle

[molten dagger]

exactly brother

[hybrid herald]

Look who's here

[turbid ivy]

pharoh the king arrived khyahah

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

The president of chill chat

[thorny steeple]

Your pfp

[turbid ivy]

pharoh mahah

[jolly agate]

Does it really matter who he was

Do you really think god has ego??

Do u you think god cares if you believe in him or not

Just be a better human. At the end of day

[thorny steeple]

The question of why God didn’t reveal all messages at once The Quran itself explains that revelation came gradually to strengthen the Prophet’s heart and guide people step by step. Earlier scriptures were for specific communities and times, and their preservation was left to those people many failed, hence distortions occurred. In contrast, the Quran, meant as the final and universal message, came at a time when writing, memory, and communication had matured enough to ensure its preservation. As for the lack of archaeological or scientific evidence for prophets or miracles, Islam emphasizes faith, not empirical proof. Historical limitations don’t negate religious truth, as many ancient figures lack physical evidence yet are accepted in mainstream history. The final prophet came at a strategic moment when humanity was ready for a global, preserved message. Islam views this not as arbitrary, but as a divinely timed culmination of guidance. Surah Al-Furqan (25:32):
"And those who disbelieve say, 'Why was the Qur'an not revealed to him all at once?'"
Allah responds:
"Thus [it was], so that We may strengthen your heart with it, and We have revealed it gradually, in stages.
@slender coral read it carefully

[turbid ivy]

Where does the quran say they corrupted their books?

[thorny steeple]

1. Surah Al-Baqarah (2:79)
   Translation: So woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allah," to exchange it for a small price.

[molten dagger]

if you ask this to chatpgt /another AI tools what its answer ?

[molten dagger]

i thought these guys know the answer they just like rage baiting or kind like testing muslim knowledge lol @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

frr man just waste of time

[bronze kraken]

You are not in a voice channel

[thorny steeple]

they are making fun

[molten dagger]

yeah moreover you can get easily the answer in lots of sources like AI

[thorny steeple]

actually islam doesn’t need them they need islam

[thorny steeple]

yes frr they are reading for unauthentic souress and yapp here

[turbid ivy]

So writings with hands is corrupting the book?

[thorny steeple]

maybe

indeed islam is the best religion 😌

[brazen agate]

Clink clank 🤖

[slender coral]

I didn't claim anything, I just stated my opinion. And yes I've read the Quran, tafsirs of many verses, and many Hadiths.

That's in additions to Muslim books for mental gymnastics to prove their god.

[molten dagger]

and how could you dont like it after knowing at all, there's must be something wrong in ur heart lol

[thorny steeple]

bro we can’t force u to we can’t change anyones mind

[slender coral]

Fastest growing religion because 1) Muslim countries suppress criticism to Islam 2) Muslims label criticism as Islamophobia in the west 3) most religions don't encourage being preachy and loud like Islam.
This isn't a proof of its superiority.

Add to this, the numbers of the Muslim population is in the vast majority of cases multiplying as a result of birth rates not conversion rates. > And even the large birth rates are a result of poverty and lack of development.

[slender coral]

There's must be something wrong with your brain if you believe it.

[thorny steeple]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 sooo what????

[thorny steeple]

yeah we have the brain that isn’t in u

[slender coral]

It's smaller lol

[thorny steeple]

yeah but smartest

[slender coral]

Idk why you can't just accept difference.

[slender coral]

Mf you believe in magic

[thorny steeple]

big brain just occupy more space and nothin😭😂

[thorny steeple]

mf yes i belive

[molten dagger]

which things in Quran that didn't suit with your brain?

[thorny steeple]

magic that magician shows

[thorny steeple]

truth

[thorny steeple]

peace

[slender coral]

Peace huh

[feral river]

https://x.com/israelwarroom/status/1975508717085806679?s=46

Israel War Room (@IsraelWarRoom)

On October 7, 2023, Hamas terrorists launched an unprecedented attack on Israel, carrying out the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust and forcing Israel into a seven-front war.

Two years later, Israel is still fighting to bring back the remaining 48 hostages and ensure

X · Oct 7, 2025, 10:29 AM

[slender coral]

Big thing coming from someone who believe in the religion of terrorism

[manic juniper]

Self reacted lol

[feral river]

We will never forget Oct 7th as we do never forget Sept 11th

[thorny steeple]

so what

[feral river]

Make America Great Again 🇺🇸

Hail State of Israel 🇮🇱

[manic juniper]

It's kinda cringe ngl

[spice bobcat]

Self love is rare these days

God I love you supreme leader

LWEITP

[thorny steeple]

uhhh u know??

[manic juniper]

Discord self-esteem 🩶

[molten dagger]

cringe ? i dont think so, you have very different point of view to judge someone lol

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/my-life-my-rules-gif-10436468092816510991

[manic juniper]

What counts as a corruption

Btw god ordered Israelites to do that, he didn't say it's a thing that must be done at all times

He ordered them to kill the Amalekites

[thorny steeple]

bro she doesn’t have any ans to give so she just say that i can understand her this was her necessity pooorrr😂😭

[slender coral]

Didn't Mohamed massacre banu Quraizah?

[manic juniper]

What am I supposed to answer? He said it's an opinion, I respect his opinion

Am I supposed to convince him that you're cringe? I don't care

[slender coral]

The condition that was put for who could be identified as an adult man was puberty hair, boys as young as ten were certainly killed.

[thorny steeple]

Bruh what? 🤦‍♀️

[thorny steeple]

Where?

[manic juniper]

Yeah he also ordered Muslims to slaughter whole groups of people, it's the same god after all

[shy summit]

There is something very fucking wrong with some people… what in the fucklesuckshit goddamnhell am I seeing.

[feral river]

that did exist in the East

but not much

[manic juniper]

One of the ten commandments is literally "don't kill", that means you only kill if god orders you to do so

[slender coral]

Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.
Sunan Abi Dawud 4404 - Prescribed Punishments (Kitab Al-Hudud) - كتاب الحدود - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) https://share.google/oZqjZDxjuI9B8YCIy

[feral river]

consent was the cheapest way to strike a deal in most of the cases where forces are usually more expensive to mobilize to achieve your objective

[thorny steeple]

The incident with Banu Qurayzah occurred during a time of war and political alliance breaking. The tribe was accused of betraying the Muslims by conspiring with the enemy during the Battle of the Trench which threatened the survival of the Muslim community in Medina. After their surrender the judgment was passed not arbitrarily by Muhammad himself, but by Sa'd ibn Mu'adh a respected leader from an allied tribe chosen by both parties as an impartial arbitrator. This was consistent with the tribal and wartime customs of 7th-century Arabia. The punishment targeted only the men deemed combatants or traitors, while women and children were treated according to the norms of that time. Thus, rather than a massacre implying an unlawful brutal mass killing the event was a legal judgment based on the accepted standards of justice and wartime conduct at the time. Calling it a massacre ignores the context and the judicial procedure followed, which makes the charge misleading.

[manic juniper]

🤖

[shy summit]

Consent is about sex Mine.

[slender coral]

Don't waste your time with me, I'm unwilling to engage with you.

[thorny steeple]

so who is??😂😂

im not that free

[thorny steeple]

so u get frustrated bcz get the ans

😭😂lol

[manic juniper]

Double standards lmao, she's not ok if god orders the Israelites to kill but if he does that with Muslims it's fine

Either you accept both or you think god is a piece of shit in both cases

[thorny steeple]

When Muhammad began preaching the monotheistic message of Islam, the majority of the Quraysh, especially leaders from rival clans, viewed it as a direct threat.

[slender coral]

You aren't the only Muslim person I talked with here, but you are one of those who aren't respectful. So, I don't want to talk to you.

[feral river]

sex without consent is r*pe dude

[slender coral]

Damn typos 😭

[thorny steeple]

what i said i used vulgar language ???

[shy summit]

You now see why I’m baffled

[feral river]

make sense

[manic juniper]

Yeah there is a weird trend where they try to give a western label to things they don't like

Like democracy, as if it's impossible for non-western countries or people to have or wish for democracy

[brazen agate]

Hello fellas

What y'all talking about

[thorny steeple]

finnaly give the best ans that frustrated ppl 😌 and they said don’t talk with us 😭lol
i’m not mean
it doesn’t mean that u all used bad language for islam and when i clear that then u said i don’t want to talk
go enhance your knowledge first
you just came here to yapppp without any knowledge
attitude 100%
knowledge 0%

[turbid ivy]

So you have manuscripts written by Hands, and the quran you use is cairo 1924 actually are from those manuscripts which are written by hands.. so by your standard the qurnan is a corrupt book, besides quran affrms our scripute in the 7th century

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/اوباما-المصري-dark-room-gif-14648264

[coral belfry]

Me too , i dont understand

[turbid ivy]

how it's the best religion, khaha

[thorny steeple]

talking about yrs

??

[thorny steeple]

okays i seeee 😭 but thats wronggggggggggggggggggg

[thorny steeple]

If the Quran told us to kill Jews and Christian there would be no Christian and Jew today because over 1000 years from China to Spain the Islamic empire had Jews and Christian lives under them we protected their places of worship protected their rabbis we protected their Prist we protected their churches

[manic juniper]

Release the apocryphal books

[manic juniper]

Most Christians and probably most Jews too already lived in Europe by then, how could Muslims kill them if they were behind the borders of Kyivan Rus' and the Carolingian Empire

These were countries that simply weren't possible for Muslims to defeat and conquer

[slender coral]

This isn't relevant to what we were talking about. The reason why I brought it up is to highlight how Islamic texts also didn't have a big problem with genocide just like the bible. And just like Christians, Muslims don't go out and kill people randomly.

[molten dagger]

Yes, because they have violated the agreement and contract that was made together with Muhammad, read history again.

[slender coral]

@manic juniper 😭

[manic juniper]

There was literally the Eastern Roman Empire and the Frankish Empire still there, the strongest countries in Europe were bordering the Abbasid caliphate

[manic juniper]

Good if it happens in Islamic texts, bad if it happens in Israelite texts
???

[slender coral]

Yea lol

[molten dagger]

why you reacted ? even the quraizah didnt have reason to rejected the punishment, it was like they followed the rules and they know the consequences

[manic juniper]

Btw those conquests weren't really driven by religion but they were mostly secular

The meaning of Muslim was even different back then. They didn't care as much about converting or Arabising people

It changed after the Umayyad when they didn't like having non-Arab subjects in their caliphate anymore

[molten dagger]

maybe you are still beginner my bro, ur way to think very lack of experience and seems like someone who doesn't like being corrected @slender coral

[ocean galleon]

What the Meaning of Muslim you think? The word 'Muslim' had and has only one meaning

[manic juniper]

Back then it was poorly defined and not used as often, it referred to any believers in a monotheistic religion

It wasn't a very orthodox definition in the first two centuries of Islam's existence

[slender coral]

How do you know this?

[manic juniper]

I watched a video about a scholar examining the terms used for the people in the Quran, it was closer to a monotheistic revival movement rather than a separate religion at first. It's why you can see it approving Jewish and Christian texts and it's not really concerned about defining how Islam and Muslims differ from Christians and Jews

Islam itself as a term wasn't really popular before the construction of the Al Aqsa mosque

[slender coral]

Share the video please.

[manic juniper]

https://youtu.be/koVaxbWBlr4
If I'm not mistaken he starts the subject at 18:34

[slender coral]

I'll watch the video later. For now, I found this in the comments and I wonder what you think about it:

1. Selective use of Qur’an

Donner highlights verses like 2:62 (Jews, Christians, Sabians included) but downplays verses like 3:85 (whoever seeks a religion other than Islam will not be accepted).

Traditional exegetes stress: you can’t isolate one verse; the Qur’an must be read holistically with its chronology.

Verses that sound inclusive were revealed before the final separation was made clear, while later revelations close that door.

[manic juniper]

Yes, it wouldn't really contradict the hypothesis that it was a monotheistic revival movement if Islam refers to any Abrahamic monotheist

Bear in mind that at this point in time Arabia was poorly controlled and policed by outside forces, it was majority monotheistic but they also had a lack of orthodoxy. They probably believed in Christian heretic texts and stories

Isn't there a story about Muhammad creating birds from inanimate objects? This is similar to the heretic gospel of Thomas where Jesus does the same

[ocean galleon]

That’s not quite true. The word Muslim has always meant one who submits to Allah(SWT).Before the Quran, it could refer generally to anyone submitting to God’s will like Ibrahim (AS). But after the Quran was revealed, the meaning became complete and it came to mean one who submits to Allah(SWT) through the final message of Prophet Muhammad (Pubh). So the term wasn’t poorly defined, it was perfected and clarified by revelation.

[manic juniper]

Your first definition pretty much confirms that it's the case, it's a really vague term because Muslims nowadays believe that Jews and Christians also believe in Allah. Even Arab Christians call him Allah

[slender coral]

It was about Abraham not Mohamed.

[manic juniper]

Understood, however the story is very similar and it only exists in these two sources, considered heretical by Christians

[molten dagger]

ignorant at their peaks.

[slender coral]

I don't think it's the same either. Well, there were birds, but it was about dead birds that Allah made Abraham kill. Abraham left pieces on mountains and they returned to him.

And ˹remember˺ when Abraham said, “My Lord! Show me how you give life to the dead.” Allah responded, “Do you not believe?” Abraham replied, “Yes I do, but just so my heart can be reassured.” Allah said, “Then bring four birds, train them to come to you, ˹then cut them into pieces,˺ and scatter them on different hilltops. Then call them back, they will fly to you in haste. And ˹so you will˺ know that Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.” [2:260]

Other than that, there's one that mentions Jesus creating birds.

And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers. [3:49]

[manic juniper]

That could be inspired by the gospel of Thomas since it refers to Jesus

[slender coral]

It certainly is

[manic juniper]

Early Christianity is full of heretical texts that would leak into other religions or were inspired by other religions

Mandaism seems extremely similar to the heretical gospel of Judas

[turbid ivy]

They have been killed for years,, the arbia was full of christians,, now you see there are just 10%, why? Causse they get killed

[ocean galleon]

Yes, the word Allah is used by Arab Christians too, because it simply means ‘The God’ in Arabic. But what makes someone Muslim isn’t just believing that God exists but also submitting to Him as He revealed Himself through His final message to Prophet Muhammad(Pubh). So while Jews and Christians believe in the same Creator in name, their understanding of Him and their relationship to His revelation differ. That’s why Islam’s use of Muslim isn’t vague. it’s defined by both belief in Allah and obedience to His final guidance.

[turbid ivy]

What makes the islamic GOd better than their GOd?

[molten dagger]

because the concept of God which explained by islam is the most logical u dummy asf

[turbid ivy]

Oh, so, it's logical,, IS jesus the word of ALlah?

[plain ruin]

Reading this, and reading a bunch of your later messages, not exactly true
For example the declaration of a muslim's faith (shahada) says:
La ilaha ill-allah (just the first line)
"There is not god but "The God""
Ilah = God (any diety, the word ilah can be traced to eloh, which can be traced back to the canaanite god "El")
Allah literally translates to "The God" (Referring specifically to the Abrahamic God, not any monotheistic God)

[crystal kayak]

Brother just a heads up as much as you try and explain it,they won't listen they prefer their own narrative

[plain ruin]

And "Allah" was used by Arab Christians, even before Islam, if i'm not wrong

[feral river]

I thought that was the third reich by one sight

[manic juniper]

How old is the shahada

[plain ruin]

This isn't exactly true by the root meaning,
Muslim would mean "one who surrenders"
But it was implied that its a person who surrenders to God in usage

[manic juniper]

That would support what I just said earlier, if they called him by the same name why would it refer to a separate religion?

[plain ruin]

Its during islam's creation

[manic juniper]

But where, written documents

[ocean galleon]

There is only one God Allah, not separate Islamic or ‘their’ God. What makes Islam unique is that it provides the true guidance from God on how to live, submit, and connect with Him. Other religions may recognize God’s existence, but Islam teaches the complete and final way to worship Him and live rightly.

[manic juniper]

Otherwise you fall into the trap of those scholars taking the Quran at face value because the evidence is lacking and it's a nicer package to deal with

[plain ruin]

I mean, a religion is defined by difference in beliefs/practices/rules/source material which they are different enough

[turbid ivy]

You said one GOd, one of what?

[plain ruin]

I don't know myself, I just gave you an example with "God" and "The God" being commonly used in the same sentence

[manic juniper]

Most people have their own interpretations of religion, and most of the times a religion has two forms, the one practiced by the people and the one taught in book and by priests. This is pretty much how Hinduism still works

[thorny steeple]

Everyone's God-given human dignity must be respected, regardless of his or her faith, race, ethnic origin, gender, or social status (ref. Qur'an, 17:70).

[manic juniper]

People have things like the poop festival or the mouse temple meanwhile scriptures speak about cosmic events

[thorny steeple]

Don’t mix politics and Islam

[manic juniper]

According to that video Islam was a generic wastebasket grouping of different closely related religions, akin to a revival movement

[ocean galleon]

One God ;the only Creator, Sustainer, and Lord of everything. There is no second, no partner, no alternative. Allah is unique, eternal, and beyond all comparison.

[plain ruin]

Interpretations and totally different systems are different though
For example Mormons aren't referred to as "Christians" officially, though they self identify as such
There are probably no standards on differentiating the religions, probably it's focused on differences in core beliefs that seperates religions

[turbid ivy]

Is this respect

[plain ruin]

You can argue that for Judaism as well; it also originates from a mixture of the local Canaanite religions, ultimately... we define them as separate because of how different they are from one another in the core aspects

[molten dagger]

wtf is this question, didnt necessary and important at all 😭

[turbid ivy]

No, im asking, one of what, one essence or he has just one attribute?

[coral belfry]

yes

[thorny steeple]

Yes those who don’t believe God

Only Allah can do those not human I can’t kill somebody who doesn’t believe in God at the end they are human and I have to respect

[crisp garden]

meh racism everywhere ig
same goes to Europe countries, america

[molten dagger]

Yes, they will be put into hell for those who deviate and change the contents of the book.

[turbid ivy]

So if i call you a worst of creation, is that respecting you?

[manic juniper]

Yes pretty much many religions stem from a small belief that gets amplified by the ruling class' desires

[turbid ivy]

So if they dont believe in your God, you call them the worst of creatures? And you think it;s respecting them?

[ocean galleon]

Allah is One in essence, attributes, and lordship. He is not one ‘of many’. He is unique, eternal, self-sufficient, and incomparable. All His attributes - knowledge, power, life, hearing, seeing are perfect and unified in Him, not separate or divided.

[manic juniper]

The differences between Islam and other religions solidified in the following two centuries

[turbid ivy]

How many attributes does he have?

[manic juniper]

It's important, otherwise we don't know the interpretation it held historically

[slender coral]

Allah described them as "the worst of all beings". Such verses form the base for a lot of Muslim hate toward others.

[thorny steeple]

What’s your religion tell u about other ppl religion?

[coral belfry]

no but it is clear
if you didnt believe in Allah (swt) alone without a partner or son
you will go to hell!

[plain ruin]

yeah
at the end of the day, a lot of muslims dont study/know the full meanings of words, they have to understand both literal and implied meanings

[turbid ivy]

My religion doesnt call them that they are wrost of creatures

[thorny steeple]

What happened to ppl when they die in bible ? @turbid ivy

[slender coral]

Hey @turbid ivy, what does the bible say about non-believers and how they are should be treated?

[turbid ivy]

Does that mean you call them that they are worst of creatures? btw who created them? Allah, right? so Allah is the worst of the creator khuhu

[feral river]

the only true God in the world is Donald J. Trump

🇺🇸

[turbid ivy]

Depends on whether they believed in God or not

[turbid ivy]

Matthew 7:12

[feral river]

he's a legend

[thorny steeple]

Then what happened to those who doesn’t believe God?

[thorny steeple]

Depth of hell

[ocean galleon]

Allah has all perfect attributes, but we don’t count them as separate in the way we count things in creation. He has attributes of essence (like life, knowledge, power) and actions (like creating, sustaining, judging), and they are all united in Him without division. Unlike created beings, His attributes are infinite, perfect, and inseparable from His essence.

[plain ruin]

By the way, @slender coral, Arab Christians per scripture only use "Allah" to refer to "God the Father" and not Jesus, right, or can you ask someone?
I believe it's only in sacraments/outside the Bible that they use the word for Jesus

[molten dagger]

of course God say this after all they had done like traitor of agreement, corruption, murdered etc.

[turbid ivy]

Obs they can't be with God. They get seperated from God by their own will

[slender coral]

Yeah. They refer to the father with Allah.

[turbid ivy]

So Allah is one, but inside he is many

[thorny steeple]

Nobody is talking about this

[thorny steeple]

Jannah and hell?

[plain ruin]

@manic juniper so its specific enough that Jesus isnt called "Allah" in Christianity

[ocean galleon]

You are confusing yourself, I think you either didn’t understand what I said or you're trying not to understand. Give a bit effort to brain

[coral belfry]

you didn't believe in Allah (swt) alone without a partner or son
and then die
and go to hell
then at that time you will be "worst of creatures"

[spice bobcat]

AL QAWLU QAWLU SAWARIM

Istg I've been hearing it too much today

[molten dagger]

you don't understand the meaning of one ? 😭

one is one, many is more than one😭

[slender coral]

Even translated scriptures use it

"في البدء خلق الله السموات والأرض." (سفر التكوين 1:1)
In the beginning, Allah (God) created the heavens and earth. [Genesis 1:1]

[ocean galleon]

Bro left his brain ig🤣

[slender coral]

https://st-takla.org/Bibles/BibleSearch/showChapter.php?book=1&chapter=1

[plain ruin]

@slender coral this has no relevance with non believers at all, "my brothers" usually refers to those who are followers of Christ in the Bible. And it doesn't say anything about believers/non believers.
This is an accurate representation of Christianity and non-believers:

Revelation 21:8:
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

[turbid ivy]

what is hell?

[turbid ivy]

When you say, Allah is one, what do you count, his essence or his many attributes khuhu?

[slender coral]

I remember there was a verse to about not being friends with them and not being friendly with even neighbors who aren't Christians, and something about not openning doors to them?

[thorny steeple]

What happens to someone in your religion that do bad stuff and killing innocent life?

[turbid ivy]

Ok so not believing in Allah is the worst of creatures.. who created those people? Allah, right? So Allah is the worst of a creator go tit

[manic juniper]

Even back then the views on Jesus varied considerably, wouldn't surprise me if most Christians in Arabia were Arian or at least didn't follow Trinitarianism

[molten dagger]

I guess its same, the only different is concept of God

[plain ruin]

Yes, 2 John 1:7-11

[thorny steeple]

Then why he’s arguing with us about that 😭😭

[molten dagger]

rage baiting

[slender coral]

Biblebot doesn't work 😭

[turbid ivy]

Read Luke 10:25-37, who is your neighbor and how you gotta love them..

Rev 21:8, when a man commits adultery, is he not an adeltourous? If he commits murder, is he not a murderer? How do you judge a murderer?

[thorny steeple]

Most of our things are similar idk why he’s talking about those 😭

[plain ruin]

Yeah, its very varied

[turbid ivy]

Are they repenting?

[molten dagger]

because they are such a lunatic nerds 😭

[slender coral]

<7> For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh; such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. <8> Look to yourselves, that you may not lose what you have worked for, but may win a full reward. <9> Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son. <10> If any one comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house or give him any greeting; <11> for he who greets him shares his wicked work.

[thorny steeple]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/16GaNa53Bh/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[plain ruin]

You are talking about my view of judgement on earth,
This verse is referring to damnation in hell. Just like the Quranic verse you quoted.
Learn to be honest with your scripture.

[plain ruin]

Yeah I'm about to head out.

[slender coral]

What do you have to say about this? @turbid ivy

[thorny steeple]

Nah if they don’t and they keep doing it what will happens to them in the other world ?

[coral belfry]

what you just said doesn't make any sense

[plain ruin]

Nobu will quote random scriptures with vague definitions to your questions, when there are verses which explicitly answer your questions, contrary to what Nobu claims

[plain ruin]

He's focused on saying muslims are wrong/disrespecting non believers, without counting the fact that Chrisitanity believes the same about idol worshippers

[molten dagger]

they know allah is the right creator before they born to this world, but their parents make them jews and christian.

[plain ruin]

The Book of Revelation in the Bible is explicitly for "The Final Days" and god's judgement

[turbid ivy]

well, obs, what do you understand by hell?

[ocean galleon]

Think of the Sun: it has many effects we can see — light, warmth, energy but we don’t count those as separate Suns. Similarly, Allah has many attributes, but they are all unified in His essence; His oneness is not divided by His attributes.

[turbid ivy]

THis is talking about false prophets and decivers like muhammad and joseph smith

[slender coral]

Islam and Christianity are very similar in how hateful they are. I'd say the Christian god is more barbaric than Allah considering that while Allah approved of a massacre, Yahwah approved of many and included women, children, and animals to the targets of his followers.

[turbid ivy]

That just means they dont want God, they wanna be seperate from God, and being seperate from GOd is called hell. So they wanan go to hell

[molten dagger]

dont you think he ask about asmaul Husna / the names ?

[turbid ivy]

So you agree that he is one in essence and many in attributes, So Alah is one and many

[slender coral]

men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh
The only problem with them is this, the verse doesn't mention them claiming prophethood.

[turbid ivy]

it doesnt have to.. but still they are decieving people. THey dont claim tobe the prophet. they are stil decievers

[thorny steeple]

Then it’s same to us Allah created human in the best form and they are the most respected creatures it’s human that make themselves be the worst creatures so

[turbid ivy]

It says they are the worst creations.. it's talking about they have freewill and they choose to do bad. It's just saying they are worst in creations like gechko, and black dogs.
So, alah is a worst of a creator among many creators

[plain ruin]

This is another bad faith question, my definition does not matter.
The word "hell" isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bible, it's done through metaphors. The Church has explicitly decided that this is referring to Hell.

[turbid ivy]

he is one of the worst of the creator according to that surah

[thorny steeple]

Astaghfirullah brother human are all created for one purpose and it’s worshipping. If someone say no one created this university and they don’t believe in God then ofc in the other world they would be the worst ppl

[coral belfry]

those geckos and black dogs will turn into dust , into nothing in the day of judgment
while the unbelievers remain in hell wishing to turn into dust too

[thorny steeple]

But Allah gave human mind to think

[plain ruin]

They are one and the same, "Allah" comes from "Ilah" which comes from "Eloh"
Eloh/Elohim are words used for the English word "God", The Old Testament has many instances of the Jewish people using Eloh, Elohim, these come from Hebrew
Not to mention, in Mecca, there were multiple Yahwehistic religions, that thought of the pre-islamic allah having daughters (only these religions used "allah" in this way)

[hoary glen]

You can choose which religion to believe in, but because religion has some restrictions, it will make you a little out of tune with others. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.

[turbid ivy]

tryna teach me
Matthew 10:28 ESV / 1,739 helpful votes
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

[coral belfry]

well as i said
"what you just said doesn't make sense"

[molten dagger]

u can call him the king, the creator, the judge, the greatest

[thorny steeple]

Tudouuuuuuuuuuuuu whereee have u beennnnnn

[turbid ivy]

So if they dont, you would say allah is a worst of creator?

[slender coral]

They have the same name but they aren't really the same. These gods have different personalities in each religion.

[turbid ivy]

So you do agree allah is a worst of a creator?

[ocean galleon]

I doubt if you even know what attribute unified in Essence mean. After 'the Sun' analogy even a dumb would understand. You are continuously doing logical paradox. What kind of dumb conclusion you make I don’t know. Your purpose is not to understand but to make simple things harder for yourself. Even a kindergarten kid would understand. Educate yourself bro

[molten dagger]

dude wtf is this are you stupid or what ? always repeat same things.

[turbid ivy]

Are the attributes identical to the essecne of allah?

[turbid ivy]

Because he created wrost people khuhu

[coral belfry]

no ,but what i said
"what you just said doesnt make any sense"

[hoary glen]

I had a colleague who was a true Buddhist. He didn't eat meat, so he rarely had dinner with us. His family members ate separately from him.

[plain ruin]

Still, does not matter, Revelations refers to the "second death", a permanent disconnection from God

[turbid ivy]

WHo created those people?

[coral belfry]

god
and why?
:to worship him

[ocean galleon]

First, learn what attributes mean. I cant waste my time on you, sorry

[plain ruin]

Those are names that can be used to refer to him, yes, but not "The God" which "Allah" translates to

[hoary glen]

Well, I seem to have disappeared for a while.

[turbid ivy]

THat's called hell. Now, why there is a permanent death for them? Is God the source of life? Cuttign yourself from the source of life is death

[molten dagger]

he is God u idiot he did whatever he want, who do you think you are to restricted him ? Quran said you was being asked to be human or not ( before you born to this world ) and God didn't force you to choose become a human.

[turbid ivy]

Is the hand of Allah identical to Allah? Is his hand him?

[plain ruin]

Oh yes, I agree with this, partially atleast, though one can argue that Islam and Judaism are much more close in belief compared to Christianity, especially because of the concept of bloodlines

[turbid ivy]

oo he is God but a worst of God among other gods, i see? He is better than vishnu?

[cursive bobcat]

@molten dagger & @ocean galleon discussion, and criticism is allowed only when they are respectful, and non-targeted. Take your time reading the #🧠｜serious-chat message

[molten dagger]

like i said before you born he was asking you to be human or not , and you chose to be human, he didn't force you.

[turbid ivy]

Oo did i have a choice to be human? What is a human?

[molten dagger]

yes Quran said that, you can be angel, animal, mountain etc 😭

[turbid ivy]

The question is, what is a human? Oo so you a mountian?

[formal pilot]

Just because of Nobu, I'll pretend to be a Muslim for the next 1 month

Alhamdulillah

[hoary glen]

Alhamdulillah

How can I behave like a Muslim?

Is it enough to just say “Alhamdulillah”?

[molten dagger]

dude cmon dont make joke, u asked me what is human 🤣

[slow yoke]

life style?

[hoary glen]

I mean how to act like a Muslim on the internet

[thorny steeple]

who's Muslim?

[slender coral]

lmfao

May Allah subhanahu wa tala bless you brother Aladdin

[slender coral]

You have @thorny steeple she is Muslim and chill. You want to ask a question?

[formal pilot]

I'm muslim, you can ask questions

[shy summit]

Oh boy here it comes

[formal pilot]

Amen

[formal pilot]

Must be King Arthur

[thorny steeple]

Oh now I get it hahaha
It's because I didn't know this word yet.
But translating here, Now I understand what it means

For a moment I thought it was a religion.(Or maybe is it?)

[slow yoke]

there are a lot of moral you should (for example don't insult someone ...)

[formal pilot]

Yes, followers of islam are often called muslims

It's a religion

[thorny steeple]

Oh so I was right?

[formal pilot]

Yes

[tiny apex]

You shouldn’t if you’re not a Muslim

[formal pilot]

Mossad agents would be sad

[hoary glen]

That doesn't seem to explain anything.

[formal pilot]

99 years btw

[tiny apex]

The idea of impersonating a Muslim was promised to us 3000 years ago

[plain ruin]

One at a time:
Revelation 6:8, and 9:15 and 9:20-21
-# Show that even the faithful were killed off, before the evil ones, who were still alive at 9:20-21, and the last of the remaining population.
THEN you come to Revelation 20:4-6
-# Which says those who were killed already, and during the 1000 year rule of Satan from the previous chapters, belong to heaven.

Then in Revelation 19:21 and 20:8-10,
-# you see the remainder of humanity being killed, including the "followers of Satan/deceived ones"
Finally, in Revelation 20-11:15, it states that everyone is dead, judgement is already done

Revelation 21:6, God says, "It is done", followed by 21:8 which says idolaters will undergo the second death, which is permanent death of the soul. Their lives were already taken by the plagues and angels.

[slender coral]

Call people stupid, ignorant and claim they have ill-intent if you discuss religion with them and they disagree with you.

[formal pilot]

Do you live in USA?

[slender coral]

Never fails to make you look right

[tiny apex]

Yep I do

[slow yoke]

well,there are a lot of vids you can learn from

[formal pilot]

Disagreeing with someone isn't a crime

[slender coral]

It is in most Muslim countries.

[plain ruin]

There are two deaths being mentioned, as proven in the verses;
Second death = death of the soul, which applies to idol worshippers in Christianity
Atleast be honest about your religion.

[formal pilot]

Have you ever faced racism?

[tiny apex]

Everything under the sun basically very hateful people here

It’s not as bad as the south where they really go crazy with all the slurs though

[slender coral]

I heard blue states tend to have lower rates of racism.

[tiny apex]

They definitely do but I live in a blue state and usually that applies to cities, go to the smaller towns and it’s all trump supporters

[formal pilot]

Being non white muslim is final boss

[slender coral]

I'm sorry you face this shit

[formal pilot]

Anyway, keep winnin, let them hate

[molten dagger]

of course they call you stupid after they explain something you ask but you won't listen and understand lol, normally a teacher in the school call you stupid. its okay for giving motivation 😂

[tiny apex]

Thank you but it’s all right eventually you get used to it you know?

I would assume you know something about that since your an Egyptian atheist (if I remember correctly)

[formal pilot]

You never get used to it

[hoary glen]

This doesn't seem to represent a particular group, because I've seen many people like this in other groups.

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/owned-werewolf-literally-me-emo-edgy-gif-10779143800157672386

[tiny apex]

Well there’s nothing you can really do but accept it 😭 MLK jr tried and look what happened to him

[tiny apex]

Alpha scarface

[spice bobcat]

Grrrrrrr I'll protect you from the racists

-# there's no guarantee it won't come from me

[slender coral]

No one knows am an atheist, but I experienced discrimination before for a different reason. I lived in Saudi Arabia at some point, went to Saudi schools 3 times. In 2 out of them I was bullied so hard dude. Though honestly teachers and some kids were sympathetic with me.

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/love-brothers-duo-team-cars-gif-17726471

[tiny apex]

😭😭😭

[tiny apex]

Sorry that happened to you 😔 some people just can’t accept someone not believing in what they believe in, really ruins the world

[coral belfry]

SubhanAllah
welcome to the team

[slender coral]

I think Muslims are often like this, more than other groups. It's probably the result of how conversations about religion tend to be heavily restricted in Muslim countries.

[molten dagger]

It's really easy to make up a story and people will just believe it 😭

[slow yoke]

steal with taste

[slender coral]

bruh

[hoary glen]

He is a "Munafiq". lol

[hoary glen]

Because we are in different environments, I mainly see these characteristics in some nationalists.

[slow yoke]

don't you mean liar

[slender coral]

Yeah, Arab Gulf racism is impossible to exist. I'm certainly lying.
https://youtu.be/yeGcEy258vk?si=zIVz1x1Xo0ZB01pd

[molten dagger]

so this is their personal problem bro, dont blame their religion, so simple right ? 😂

[slender coral]

Wtf are you talking about? I never blamed religion for it omfg.

And you think I'm the stupid one here?

lmao

[hoary glen]

Pseudo-believer

[slow yoke]

go sleep

[slender coral]

Nationalism and religious fundamentalism are very similar. It's insecure people who have nothing about their lives to be proud of, so they built their entire identity around fanaticism. Where are you from if you don't mind asking?

[hoary glen]

china

[slender coral]

روح انت نام

[formal pilot]

There was a guy on reddit, he used to sleep with mothers of racist colleagues

[slow yoke]

I'am not expert but what i can say

[slow yoke]

احا (انا حقا اعترض)

[slender coral]

What does this dumb Arab want?

[hoary glen]

This is an Islamic term, probably meaning a Pseudo-believer.

[slow yoke]

I'm not look like you

[slender coral]

Yeah that's why you will do it

[coral belfry]

he is a disgrace to saudis

[spice bobcat]

Ight no insults

Come on

[spice bobcat]

He'll be warned. Stop engaging

[slender coral]

The guy started insulting me out of nowhere.

Ok

[slow yoke]

u called me dumb

[tiny apex]

That’s one cool guy

[formal pilot]

Being dumb is a blessing

[slow yoke]

stop these acts

[tiny apex]

That’s actually funny now that I’m thinking about it

[formal pilot]

I wonder if it was cool cat

[hidden shore]

when it comes to religion, or god or other religion, they disagree with you, that is a Muslim

[slow yoke]

sometimes it's

[slender coral]

I honestly didn't experience strong racism there. It was just in school. They have a racism problem but I was a bit lucky, and that racism isn't very intense against Arabs it usually targets non-Arab workers from Southeast Asia and the Indian subcontinent.

[coral belfry]

yep

[humble acorn]

i disagree (disrespectfully)

[formal pilot]

How many of you ever felt Racism?

[humble acorn]

everyone,

in somewhat way

[slow yoke]

lol

[formal pilot]

Not me

Yet*

[humble acorn]

well there is always an exception, my bad that the exception itself asked the question

[humble acorn]

xD

[humble acorn]

let me end this yet, by being racist

[hidden shore]

in quran it says that there is one god is your allah, see, how disrespect to other religion including your Quran

[humble acorn]

go and learn the meaning of this word first,

[shell hemlock]

You say that as if it's only Islam

[slow yoke]

@slender coral I 'm sorry to you and your mom but stop insulting arab gulf

[formal pilot]

Dude you can't be racist towards me, you're pakimon

[hidden shore]

[humble acorn]

soon i will say, day ## of not getting rage baited by lily

[formal pilot]

Good man

[slender coral]

lol

[hidden shore]

muhammad has 14 wives🤮

[shell hemlock]

Yeah and you can't even get one poor you

[slender coral]

He had female slaves as well

[hidden shore]

😳 i have four , i am so joyously

[slow yoke]

well ,this life is too short to making conflicts

[plain ruin]

@formal pilot I must say you remind me of this sometimes, I hope one day you and me can join him in the coming of the messiah. Baruch Hashem.

[hidden shore]

peace upon him i show my respect

[formal pilot]

Yes, life is too short for unnecessary conflicts

[slender coral]

He is talking about the big bang?

[plain ruin]

Yes

[slender coral]

lmao

[humble acorn]

noiceee pun of words, recently i have realized that pakichu and pakimon are used as sarcastic slang, don't know why!!
-# i don't even know where you live

[short forge]

Helloo

[spice bobcat]

Pakichus unite

CUT ME AND I'LL BLEED GREEN 🗣️🔥🔥🇵🇰🔥

[plain ruin]

Not at all sarcastic, @spice bobcat who is from pakistan uses it himself

[humble acorn]

i can see that!!

[humble acorn]

jokes aside, the name is cute , pakichu,

[plain ruin]

Anyway, I'm off for the remainder of the day, have to stretch and relax, then party, cya guys, have a great day

[slender coral]

@hidden shore seeing Muslim women defending polygamy feels so weird. Like "yeah I don't mind my partner has multiple partners other than me". There's a word bad for this when the one who does it is a man.

[hidden shore]

really?

[hoary glen]

[plain ruin]

Nobu still hasn't responded to me about how Christianity supports idol worshippers in hell, sigh

[slender coral]

Yeah. I don't think I can say it here it's so bad 😭

[hidden shore]

but including to quran they only have four right, but since i have read their history, actually many kings have more than four wives, this is i can not understand

[spice bobcat]

Cute but deadly

[spice bobcat]

Where my pakichus at

[plain ruin]

dm it to me💀 im curious

[hidden shore]

?😵‍💫

[slender coral]

They don't have more than 4 wives. They have 4 wives, and slave-girl. Slave-girl is a different status than wife, they are women bought from slave markets or acquired through military invasions. It's repulsive.

[humble acorn]

didn't get it!! but nvm

[plain ruin]

Not here, Bharat Zindabad

[spice bobcat]

I will become pilot

Yk

[spice bobcat]

Jai hind jai shree ram. Good shot bhaiya

[humble acorn]

is it ok to say 6-0

[spice bobcat]

Aladdin will cry if you do

[plain ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-you're-right-funny-memes-funny-modi-ji-gif-5584214652438324525

[humble acorn]

lol, so he is indian

[plain ruin]

okay bye fr

[hoary glen]

As the saying goes, "the economic base determines the social structure"

[molten dagger]

they don't mean to be disagree with you , all they do just bringing you logical discussion and critical mind about religion

[hidden shore]

i dont think many women would like to share her husband tho in mdoern times

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/band-karo-hath-jod-ke-mai-modi-sahab-band-kar-bhai-bas-karo-hath-jod-ke-mai-guzarish-karta-hu-gif-19784607

[hoary glen]

Because her finances all come from her husband, she has no independence and is just an appendage of her husband, so even if she is not satisfied with this, she has no choice.

[hidden shore]

thanks dude, i have gained some knowledge about history of islam, that is new to me actually

[hoary glen]

This is a bit like the relationship between you and your parents when you are not financially independent. The only way to change this situation is to give women enough job opportunities.

[hidden shore]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2DXF6NQLgL8

this girl share her wisdom idea to the whole internet

when you marry this woman, she will bring more woman to you

[molten dagger]

dude dont learn islam from internet, go find some scholars or some expert .

[shell hemlock]

If you want more wives, convert to Islam, we're very accepting 😉

[formal pilot]

I can confirm I look exactly the same

[formal pilot]

You should live on trees, it's fun

[slender coral]

Not even in the past. Women were always forced to accept men's bs.

They often had little to no autonomy over their own bodies, of course they couldn't set boundaries in their relationships.

[humble acorn]

seeing how humans are behaving now, i will start giving this idea some serious thoughts in upcoming years.

[verbal torrent]

Open relationship in halal way

Or should i call situationship

Idk either way bs

[feral river]

https://x.com/israel/status/1975227513627693434?s=46

May God bless Israel 🇮🇱

[turbid ivy]

So we should convert to sleep with women in islam?

Using women as a means of sexual object to publisize a religion... what is that?

So you wanna be a muslim to get women,, but not to worship God actaully, interesting

[formal pilot]

Become atheist, you won't even have to get married

[formal pilot]

Go fishing during shabbat, it'll help you in climbing the trees

[manic juniper]

Where do I get wives and husbands

[turbid ivy]

For women, after this world in heaven they can get a lot of men. So if a woman is interested in a heavy sexual life, she gotta join islam to persue that joy

[manic juniper]

I thought that was reserved to men

[turbid ivy]

The most digusting thing people offer to join a religion is that women , money, fame ...

Because people easily get lured with the desire of the flesh

NOthing to do with God, but the only thing they are interested is that women, or money

[manic juniper]

Finnish paganism is the chilliest, if you don't die violently you end up resting at the bottom of a lake

[humble acorn]

i m a boomer, didn't get how this all fishing, shabbat and climbing trees are related to eachother

[manic juniper]

The Jews we have today are those who didn't go fishing, luckily for them

[humble acorn]

ohhh that story,

[manic juniper]

I wonder if we could find the region where the founder population originated from

[turbid ivy]

Wait btw, Allah made fish appear only at the day of sabbath, if they go to fishing other days, they cant get fish.. see the manipulation .. if they dont go fishing at sabbath, the die with hunger, but if they go, they would endup being rats

[formal pilot]

Well, isfrun explained it to you

And you aren't a boomer

[humble acorn]

yeah, thanks isfrun,

[manic juniper]

God is the ultimate prankster

[humble acorn]

in some things i still am, (i like boomer term more than gen z, )

[turbid ivy]

that's not God, it's called a deciever.

[formal pilot]

I hope you don't like beating your wife

[manic juniper]

Will stop working in 45 minutes, wish me luck

I will go fishing with bare hands on the frozen lake

[humble acorn]

...

[manic juniper]

Yaldabaoth?

[formal pilot]

Working on ARKOSAVROS instead of playing games is haram

[manic juniper]

I'm doing both, working and modding Need For Speed

[formal pilot]

Play story based games with @feral river and stream it for us

[manic juniper]

If he has Halo we could play the campaign of the first games together

[formal pilot]

Alright, lemme ask him

[turbid ivy]

Yes the second death is called Hell. The first death people die physically, that's natural death.

[manic juniper]

What if I do a full playthrough of the Spyro Trilogy, the one with pretty graphics released in 2018

https://tenor.com/view/3d-platformer-spyro-the-dragon-reignition-remake-video-games-gif-24374695

[uneven sand]

@manic juniper 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[austere moat]

Make sense

Understandable lily

[manic juniper]

?

[neon sierra]

do you guys think jews should have a country of their own

[austere moat]

Satisfactory, yeah, when pain doesn't control you, it's healing. When you pretend like it's not hurting you, but it is hurting you, that's ig tolerance, and lastly, numbness when you feel nothing, like there's a neutral feeling or emptiness.

Ehhh

[shell hemlock]

right here

[turbid ivy]

What do you think about this one? Should people convert in islam for women?

[austere moat]

No ppl shouldn't convert to get gurls

[turbid ivy]

Or Should women convert in islam for men?

[turbid ivy]

Your friend Lily disagrees

[austere moat]

No

[austere moat]

Alright ppl can have different opinions

[turbid ivy]

Would you ask her whether she would allow her husband to have more than 1 wife?

[turbid ivy]

You are also a muslim, no?

[austere moat]

Bro it's her personal matter why would I ask

Chill

[austere moat]

Allhumdulliah I'm

[turbid ivy]

Ok. i see.

[turbid ivy]

When someone offers women to join a religion, would you condemn it?

[austere moat]

Yeah we as humans should respect others' choices

[austere moat]

Umm I mean offering is fine but forcing isn't

[turbid ivy]

Do you respect the choice which says objectify women as a means of men to join a religion since they get women for seuxal pleasure?

[austere moat]

Alright you're twisting it

[turbid ivy]

oki, if you have a husband, and if he wants to marry more than 1, let's say he wanna marry, would you allow him?

[austere moat]

No

[turbid ivy]

Offering women,, im not destorting,, if someone tells you to convert a religion where you can get 4 men.. that;s obs offering men to persue the sexual pleasure,, or why would a woman need 4 hubs or 4 wifes

[ancient silo]

agartha

[austere moat]

I'm already tired and we can discuss this later and yeah it's wrong doesn't matter husband or wife

[turbid ivy]

isn't that allowed by Allah in the Quran, why do you know not accept something that is halal

[austere moat]

It's halal but not mandatory

[turbid ivy]

Good, so you dont like the revelation of Allah? where he said men can marry 4

[ancient silo]

wow i can send photos

[austere moat]

I'm not saying that stop putting words in my mouth 😭

[turbid ivy]

I understand, but your husband let's say wnats to marry 4.. why do you dont want him to do that if it's halal?

[austere moat]

Yeah

[turbid ivy]

So, it's good?

[turbid ivy]

The question is why

[austere moat]

Because I don't want

It's allowed but not mandatory to do so one can avoid

[turbid ivy]

Is there any reason behind it?

[shell hemlock]

successful ragebait

[shell hemlock]

ooh she confident

[austere moat]

[turbid ivy]

what is this

[soft oak]

I don't know how you got this Hadith or even how it came about.
But beating women is practically prohibited.

[coral belfry]

Ibn al-Qattan (may God have mercy on him) said:

"It is not authentic." End quote.

"Bayan al-Wahm wa al-Iham" (5/524)

Al-Dhahabi (may God have mercy on him) said:

"It includes Abd al-Rahman al-Musli: he is not known." End quote.

"Mizan al-I'tidal" (2/602)

Sheikh Ahmad Shakir (may God have mercy on him) said:

"Its chain of transmission is weak." End quote.

[soft oak]

@turbid ivy hope this answers your questions

[stoic bloom]

hey guys
I'm going to take an IELTS exam tomorrow, are there any tips you could give me?

[ancient silo]

wow

good luck

[slender coral]

Eat well, and sleep early.

Good luck

[stoic bloom]

thanks a lot!!

[west swallow]

Good day everyone

[compact scaffold]

Don't commit suicide if you fail

Life is good

[stoic bloom]

the best advice

[shell hemlock]

take it easy

i did my ielts in like 2019 and got 6.5

[stoic bloom]

omg

i need 6.5 too

[shell hemlock]

what's the subject u need help with most

[stoic bloom]

i would say writing

[shell hemlock]

okay i scored like 5 in writing

[turbid ivy]

Nop read surha 4.34

[stoic bloom]

its so hard bruuh

[turbid ivy]

And we have here At Trimidhi grading it as hasan ghareeb, and other scholars.

[uncut tiger]

@manic juniper do you kno what hypothetical syllogism is

[manic juniper]

I know what's syllogism, I guess an hypothetical one is just an assumption

[turbid ivy]

And that proves nonsensical hadiths grading btw

Cause you have some scholars saying it has good and some it has bad

[graceful halo]

asalam aleikum guys

[turbid ivy]

So the islamic sources are putting ax on thier own foot

[manic juniper]

Do you only use Sunni sources

[turbid ivy]

Obs not

[manic juniper]

What do the Shias have to say

[turbid ivy]

Yes

[turbid ivy]

Shias and sunnis condemn each other and eachother's hadiths

[uncut tiger]

ok then wat is syllogism

[coral belfry]

Assuming the hadith is authentic, its interpretation by scholars is acceptable and correct. The gist is that people should not interfere in matters that do not concern them. If someone learns of a disagreement between a man and his wife, and he knows that it is a severe disagreement that has led to the husband hitting his wife, then it is not permissible for him to pry into the secrets of the household, nor should he dare to look into their hidden matters, as that is bad manners and poor taste. This is unless that person is someone who is good at reform, and he thinks that he can offer help and advice to resolve the dispute. In that case, he may ask about the problem and its causes, after both parties have accepted and are satisfied with his arbitration and intervention.

[turbid ivy]

That's why i have scholars here it is

[manic juniper]

All Chinese people are white
Minecraft is Chinese
Therefore Minecraft is white

It's a three-points conclusion based off a true (or allegedly) premise

[coral belfry]

bro this is the same pic you used for the other hadith

[turbid ivy]

yes im showing you the greatest hadith scholars.. and you are copy pasting something without link and without their books and teh scholars you named are sadak xaap yappers

[coral belfry]

you are doing the same thing lol

[turbid ivy]

Of course i showed you the gradings by the greatest scholars, yet you are copy pasting some road xaap yappars

nwith no links or sources

[coral belfry]

no
you are the one coping and pasting pics

[turbid ivy]

Oo now you have started jumping?

[fresh flower]

Salam walakum my fellow Muslims

[shell hemlock]

waalaikumsalam our non muslim akhi

[coral belfry]

walaikum al salam sir olivander

[fresh flower]

Nobu.... you know what time it is

[shell hemlock]

Isaiah 28:10 MSG

oh i forgot the bot ain't here anymore

bot gone just like jesus on that cross 😢

[ancient silo]

💀

[uncut tiger]

the only difference is that hypothetical syllogisms use only if...then statements.

If a person is Chinese, then they are yellow.
If a person is yellow, then they eat dogs.
Therefore, if a person is Chinese, then they eat dogs.

[turbid ivy]

What is this

[shell hemlock]

googoo gaga 😢 baby in diapers or wtv 😢

[uncut tiger]

shut up nepali

[turbid ivy]

Aha nothing wrong with that verse

[shell hemlock]

what the bible says whaaatttt whaattt

[turbid ivy]

Khuhu

[shell hemlock]

😢

[fresh flower]

The WHAT

[shell hemlock]

what he saidddd nooo

[turbid ivy]

Ooe wot the Heck.. half brain? Duuh what

[manic juniper]

I suck with philosophy, but I guess I get it

[ancient silo]

what philosophy is even about 🥀i have never studied it

[plain ruin]

Yes, exactly, so non believers go to hell in Christianity, further supported by the final chapter of the Bible.
Revelations 22:14-15
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

[uncut tiger]

It's just a rule of inference

Idk why they are teaching this in CS

[plain ruin]

If he did, Trump would probably encourage taking Tylenol

[uncut tiger]

Disjunctive syllogism, hypothetical syllogism, modus ponens, modus tollens

[turbid ivy]

Yes.. and what is hell and why do people go to hell?

[plain ruin]

Again, this all started with you saying that "Islam is bad because non believers go to hell"

Same thing in Christianity

Deviating from the point doesn't help you

[turbid ivy]

Can you show me where did I say that

[plain ruin]

Criticize what you want about Islam, but if it's also in your religion, it's simple, you don't get to criticize

[shell hemlock]

are there any jews here ?

[fresh flower]

Yeah wassup

[plain ruin]

Hard to scroll up that far, you've been talking for the last 3 hours straight

[turbid ivy]

not deviating just showing you few thingy khyah

[ancient silo]

🥀

[turbid ivy]

Lol no source

[shell hemlock]

you are NOT jew

oli you're muslim

[fresh flower]

I'm trying to be, I've had enough of being broke

[plain ruin]

s?u 1425499250170531951

[fresh flower]

8 hours

[ancient silo]

how to be jew

[turbid ivy]

[shell hemlock]

[turbid ivy]

Talking about the evil people. Good God

[fresh flower]

I could be wrong tho

[formal pilot]

Count me in if it's streamed over the weekend

[plain ruin]

Blud casually spends 3 times the amount of time I do in chat, forget voice messages

[ancient silo]

🥀sad reality

no money

[fresh flower]

On Ram, past 2 days he's been doing 6-7 hour shifts here

[ancient silo]

i will use plan b

[fresh flower]

Idk how he has the energy

[turbid ivy]

[manic juniper]

I'll drop a message

[turbid ivy]

[fresh flower]

Nav do you have a diagnosis

[manic juniper]

HEVNORAAK

[turbid ivy]

Offering women to convert men. What an offer

[formal pilot]

You'd still get zero huzz

[plain ruin]

It's all those holidays they have in the region bro, idk what they're called

[plain ruin]

💀

[ancient silo]

anyone here know how to be calm like ayanokoji 🥀 ?

[turbid ivy]

[shell hemlock]

we got pretty huzz here i don't know what the christians are pulling over here but none of our business 😛

[ancient silo]

💀

new screen shot

[turbid ivy]

I see

[fresh flower]

Al-Albani?

[turbid ivy]

He hadith scholar

[shell hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/albania-gif-15772705698764907763

how i wake up everyday knowing i'm not christian

[turbid ivy]

Why would i imo khyah

[austere bolt]

discord sucks and they should improve their support system. Their bot sucks ass even Chat GPT moderation bot better than ts but money hungry conglomerates are more concerned abt their own fuck ass profit than acc enhancing user experience.

[fresh flower]

Thank Nav

[shell hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/buttefly-dog-butterfly-dog-собака-бабочка-gif-3477745535671394965

[austere bolt]

whatever bruh idec anymore

[sweet wolf]

notices bulge owo

[turbid ivy]

[shell hemlock]

owo ?

[fresh flower]

YURI WAIT

[turbid ivy]

Heck is that offering

[ancient silo]

what is "idec" ??

[plain ruin]

Discord has a bot?

[fresh flower]

I forgot to send it

[turbid ivy]

I c khyaha

[fresh flower]

Do yall know what NMIMS is

[sweet wolf]

Got me touching myself for nothing

[ancient silo]

no

[sweet wolf]

Wazza

[shell hemlock]

anybody know where that one non logical atheist went ?

the immoral moral ahh ahh dude

[ancient silo]

💀

[austere bolt]

yes

[ancient silo]

it is like an ai ?? or just a bot with some commands ?

[austere bolt]

when you message the support portal a weirdass nelly bot emails you

[sweet wolf]

I thought I locked the door but my roommate walked in on me laying on my bed with my legs on the wall

He wasn't even phased though

[turbid ivy]

Immoral ahh ahh Heck is that khyah

[formal pilot]

Probably preparing for exams

[plain ruin]

We have generally come to the conclusion that this bot is useless

[shell hemlock]

that's immoral, cuz why is he tryna pass like who is he tryna surpass ??

we can't have that

[fresh flower]

So immoral ikr hhhhhhh Nav

[austere bolt]

ai

[plain ruin]

Left the server after staying up at unfathomable hours in his timezone

[turbid ivy]

Ahh ahh sounds a different thingy khyaha

[ancient silo]

okay 👍🏻

[manic juniper]

He needs as much evidence as possible to pass

[shell hemlock]

type of loser allah told us about

[coral belfry]

This hadith refers to the time of Jahiliyyah (pre-Islamic Arabia) — when some Arabs used to bury their newborn daughters alive, out of shame or fear of poverty (Qur’an 81:8–9 mentions this crime).

In that period, both the mother and child were polytheists — not Muslims — and the Prophet ﷺ was describing the fate of disbelievers who died before accepting Islam, not condemning innocent babies unfairly.

الوائدة (al-wā’idah): the woman who buries her daughter alive.

الموءودة (al-maw’ūdah): literally “the one who was buried alive.”

Nowhere in the Arabic text does it say “new-born” — that word was added by the translator to make the sentence sound smoother in English, but it ends up changing the meaning.
So, children who die before reaching maturity are not punished — scholars agree they are under Allah’s mercy.

[fresh flower]

Nav wyd rn

[shell hemlock]

immoral for u to assume he's even tryna gather any evidence in the first place

[austere bolt]

Im so pissed at discord authorization ESP BECAUSE I HAVE THE BLUEPRINT OF MY PASSKEY

[manic juniper]

Wait, if he left I can return to atheism once more

[austere bolt]

why why why why why why did I not save my back up codes aaaaa

[plain ruin]

It's not an AI at all, it has set instructions, discord's bot is a meme, you should watch https://www.youtube.com/@NoTextToSpeech

[turbid ivy]

Oo so the babies who were buried before the birth of Muhammad went to hell, khuhu? I c

[shell hemlock]

girl i advise you not to use the support system rn cuz people's info got breached not long ago

[manic juniper]

My atheism detector shows low levels of atheism on serious chat now

[fresh flower]

Thank God

[plain ruin]

!?

[shell hemlock]

alhamdulila

[plain ruin]

Nvm I'm the low level

[manic juniper]

There are no oppressive atheists anymore

[austere bolt]

😭😭😭😭 its worse than i thought

[plain ruin]

Right

[manic juniper]

I can rest

[coral belfry]

no
they are Ahl al-Fatrah

[plain ruin]

💔😭

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

[fresh flower]

Top 3 most insufferable groups:

• Atheists
• Vegans
• Religious Hindus

[turbid ivy]

Which is?

[coral belfry]

In Islam, Ahl al-Fatrah refers to the people who lived at any point between the Ascension of Jesus around 30 CE and Muhammad's first revelation around 610

[austere bolt]

man i just got an yearly nitro gift and this happens. this is a god's sign for me to get a life

[manic juniper]

The worst aspect of this is that the first two categories can include each other and the third one (in part)

[shell hemlock]

yeah get off discord

[coral belfry]

-Wikipedia

[austere bolt]

😭💔 ye icl

[turbid ivy]

Ooh so alah sent their infants in hell? I C

[turbid ivy]

[shell hemlock]

u can come back in few more months

[austere bolt]

whos this imam here bro go to ask a muslim vc

[coral belfry]

"Nowhere in the Arabic text does it say “new-born” — that word was added by the translator to make the sentence sound smoother in English, but it ends up changing the meaning.
So, children who die before reaching maturity are not punished — scholars agree they are under Allah’s mercy."

[shell hemlock]

jak jak jak

[fresh flower]

Support me for mod and I will mute Nobu if he talks about religion in general

[turbid ivy]

Khuhu sure

[shell hemlock]

up up up up

up up

[austere bolt]

what typa imam uses discord

[shell hemlock]

☝️ 🔥

[austere bolt]

go pray idiot

what a loser

[spice bobcat]

Wait nobu in general?

[fresh flower]

That reminded me to start the dryer

[spice bobcat]

When is that launching

[turbid ivy]

Tryna lie

[shell hemlock]

how does praying remind you to use the dryer

[austere bolt]

dyslexia maybe

[coral belfry]

الوائدة (al-wā’idah): the woman who buries her daughter alive

الموءودة (al-maw’ūdah): literally “the one who was buried alive.”

[austere bolt]

i sympathise

[coral belfry]

you dont even speak arabic

[shell hemlock]

@fresh flower you gonna let that slide

[turbid ivy]

Oo so she buried her new born daughter a live.. and that new born daughter goes to hell. I see

[turbid ivy]

Well, my mum right here to translate khyaha

[coral belfry]

"Nowhere in the Arabic text does it say “new-born” — that word was added by the translator to make the sentence sound smoother in English, but it ends up changing the meaning.
So, children who die before reaching maturity are not punished — scholars agree they are under Allah’s mercy."

[shell hemlock]

up up

🥺

[ancient silo]

🥀

[austere bolt]

thats AI

[ancient silo]

what's going on here

[shell hemlock]

reminder that christians eat their own god 😭

[austere bolt]

chaos

[ancient silo]

okay

[turbid ivy]

So they are burying their grownnup daughters?

[ancient silo]

the issue is that a lot of people talks about things they don't know

[shell hemlock]

cannibalism 👎

[ancient silo]

i hate that

[summer sphinx]

.

[austere bolt]

whats the problem

[turbid ivy]

Not so. But Muslims consume came piss

[sweet wolf]

Please no religion in #🧠｜serious-chat

[summer sphinx]

Nobu..

[turbid ivy]

Burying the infants is what a problem? Ehe

[ancient silo]

what serious chat is even about 🥀

[sweet wolf]

How so

[austere bolt]

yes they learn from university of internet and islamophobes

[summer sphinx]

Floor collapse and falling..

[plain ruin]

Aint no way

[shell hemlock]

the baby christians force women who got sa-ed to keep

[austere bolt]

atleast talk to a scholar ONCE

[summer sphinx]

I'm gonna grow wings

Chemical reaction

[austere bolt]

its their choice

[ancient silo]

understood

[sweet wolf]

Stop giving him attention he's going to nut

[austere bolt]

idc

[summer sphinx]

He has my attention

[shell hemlock]

they eat jesus' body and drink his blood as wine

[summer sphinx]

Not positive

[turbid ivy]

Oo so if someone Bury your kids. It's their choice?

[austere bolt]

😭 🙏 🤙

[plain ruin]

Goon night

[summer sphinx]

What is this guy talking about

[austere bolt]

yes exactly

[coral belfry]

"الْمَوْءُودَةُ هِيَ الَّتِي كَبِرَتْ ثُمَّ وَأَدَتْ كَمَا وَأَدَتْ أُمُّهَا.

[turbid ivy]

Khyah i ain't a Catholic buddy.. what about the camel urine? Khuhu

[coral belfry]

Sahih al-Bukhari, “Fath al-Bari,”

[turbid ivy]

Get to the point?

[austere bolt]

whats your point man

[summer sphinx]

Bro ion know much but it was related to drought conditions and stuff for survival

[turbid ivy]

So you have no problem?

[ancient silo]

🥀

[shell hemlock]

christians after killing jesus for our sins only to let men goon to animated characters on the internet and still sinning 😭 🥀

[summer sphinx]

U just wasting ur potential ngl

[austere bolt]

nuh uh, i am not an idiot to debate stuff that happened 1400 years ago

[summer sphinx]

That's a bigger sin than any of the stuff u state

[turbid ivy]

Nymm

[austere bolt]

we should debate biblical slavery lol

[coral belfry]

"The buried girl is the one who grew up and then buried her dead just as her mother buried her dead."
using google translate

[shell hemlock]

funnn

[austere bolt]

or like debate crusades

[turbid ivy]

Oo but you are saying it's their choice.. running away now? Lol

[ancient silo]

@turbid ivy i recommend to you to go and drink some oranage juice before you get a stroke 🥀

[austere bolt]

yes that was me trolling you and idk how you survive on the internet with low level of ragebait awareness

[turbid ivy]

What nonsense.. as I told you before.. I have a translator.. wanna vc?

[plain ruin]

@austere bolt he's more annoying than Nelly, don't engage with him, he spends 8 hours a day on voice chat

[turbid ivy]

Khyahah.. so you would have a problem?

[sweet wolf]

Let's debate about the best cheesecake flavour

[coral belfry]

i give the ai sources and then , i tell him to make a summary based on that

[shell hemlock]

if u hit ur slave but he/she survives it then u won't get punished, W christianity

[coral belfry]

to skip all the writing

[turbid ivy]

@austere bolt come to the 1 on 1 vc.. lemme feel you

[austere bolt]

i would have a problem if that happened rn, MUCH worse stuff happened back then. we evolved from it. lol thats the way of life

[ancient silo]

he might have encountered with a lot of stuffs that this is just a normal Monday to him

[turbid ivy]

How you debate 🤔

[austere bolt]

fym "lemme feel you" weirdo

[shell hemlock]

disgusting

[ancient silo]

where you voice chat ?

[turbid ivy]

That's not what it says the hadith i posted. You are throwing a commentary

[austere bolt]

im a minor

[ancient silo]

same

[austere bolt]

you're gonna get reported

[turbid ivy]

It's the feeling the debate did I not say that..weirdo

[austere bolt]

no you did not

[turbid ivy]

Your debate capacity doesn't matter whether you are a minor or not

[austere bolt]

does he live in his mom's basement or smth

[turbid ivy]

@austere bolt

[shell hemlock]

btw guy's a creep, he likes talking about muslim women's chests don't interact

[turbid ivy]

I ain't a child like you

[austere bolt]

you do talk like one

[turbid ivy]

Yikes.. that was your prophet

[shell hemlock]

👎

[coral belfry]

that was the Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalānī (d. 852 AH) — in Fath al-Bārī
explaining the meaning

[austere bolt]

ew wtf

[turbid ivy]

And Aisha who did it khuhu

[coral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/so-what-gif-11216020563114093296

[austere bolt]

thats disgusting creepo

[uncut tiger]

stop entertaining the autistic nepali

[turbid ivy]

Again I have a hadith not a commentary

[shell hemlock]

he got banned before, don't interact with that individual trust me sister for ur own safety lol

[turbid ivy]

Lol

[ancient silo]

🥀ragebaitable

[austere bolt]

why should i debate you mans

what will i get in return

ill jist lose braincells

[shell hemlock]

ring ring ring

[icy ravine]

Let me speak

[austere bolt]

r/whoosh because humour skipped you

[coral belfry]

and i have the explanation of that hadith

[turbid ivy]

Sure let's vc, we will read together

[shell hemlock]

jesus gonna be really scared when he come back and christians be sitting there with a fork n plate ready

[austere bolt]

thats so gay

[turbid ivy]

Sure here

[austere bolt]

im not even a muslim what do i do w the above information

[turbid ivy]

Don't ping me then

[ancient silo]

what is your religion then

[austere bolt]

option A- debate about it in a gc with no context and islamophobia 😍🥀💗
option B- talk to a scholar 💔

[coral belfry]

"the night of jinn"

[turbid ivy]

Which word is the jinn

[fresh flower]

Errrrrmmmmmm

[austere bolt]

i was born in the lds mormon community i stepped away from religious stuff tho

[ancient silo]

understood

[fresh flower]

Option A is this channel

[crystal kayak]

How do I check how many hours nobu has spent on this channel

[plain ruin]

Option B is, too
Except its a self proclaimed scholar

[ancient silo]

s?u

[fresh flower]

I've done it 3 days in a row if you want to see past days

[crystal kayak]

8hrs

[ancient silo]

S?u @ancient silo

[turbid ivy]

[fresh flower]

You can't do it here bro only in #🔗｜bot-commands

[ancient silo]

understood

[austere bolt]

great potential to be a twitch streamer
#wastedpotential

[fresh flower]

It's insane bro...

[austere bolt]

idk who will listen to this crap tho

[turbid ivy]

I see 👀

[ancient silo]

xd

[austere bolt]

maybe some folks might you can never be out of idiots on this planet

[crystal kayak]

@turbid ivy this is not healthy 8hrs of absolutely doing nothing

[austere bolt]

anyways fuck nelly i should go have lunch or smth

[crystal kayak]

He could have used that 8hrs studying the Bible instead of blabbing nonsense

[fresh flower]

He will tell you he has it in the background while "working" but it's a lie, look at the green curve, that's messages

[turbid ivy]

[crystal kayak]

🤣🤣🤣what a lie

[shell hemlock]

this is what happen when you don't take the time to pray 5 times a day u become like this guy

[turbid ivy]

Khyahh she didn't lie

[ancient silo]

@turbid ivyi want to be like you

[plain ruin]

ill do you one better @fresh flower, they're very barely apart😭😭😭

[crystal kayak]

Not her you saying that discord was running in the background you didn't close it

[wind bramble]

u gotta have life bro

[plain ruin]

Say less

[shell hemlock]

me when i can't pull no muslim woman after one left me so i get jealous over muslim men that can pull 4 of em 💔 huhu

[austere bolt]

😭😭😭 thats a weird flex

[ancient silo]

what does khyah means ?

[crystal kayak]

So he basically sits for 8hrs hating on islam

[plain ruin]

wasup beijing

[turbid ivy]

Oo running 4 men khyah

[austere bolt]

but clock his ass queen

[turbid ivy]

[high rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/storm-coming-thunder-lightning-volt-gif-2134060877496191266

[crystal kayak]

I still don't believe he had a Muslim gf

He is lying

[shell hemlock]

i'm trolling ;)

[ancient silo]

bro how you are so passionate like that , tell me your story

[austere bolt]

i wanna move to china

[viral lintel]

why

[shell hemlock]

she prolly wasn't even muslim cuz ain't no righteous muslim woman would date him lol bro was dating imaginary sora ai hijabi gf 💔 huhu

[austere bolt]

ion like UAE

[wind bramble]

i don't think that real but if it is feel bad for her

[fresh flower]

This channel is just bullying Nobu rn 💀💀💀

[turbid ivy]

@ancient silo motivation

[ancient silo]

how

i want to be like you

[viral lintel]

but u have a bugatti there

[turbid ivy]

4 women for free wdym

[gentle wagon]

Chat what's so serious?

[crystal kayak]

Probably a chatbot he named Fatima

[ancient silo]

understood

[shell hemlock]

bro can't even afford to keep 1 woman what he talkin about getting 4 women 🤯 even jannah bro prolly can't even get all the girls he desire nahhhh

[austere bolt]

if you practiced a skill in the amt of time you were bickering here, youd be really good at some stuff yaknow whyre you so keen on throwing life away man. Thats extreme phone/pc addiction icl

[shell hemlock]

fatima run away from bro when he walk into dubai

[gentle wagon]

Deal

[shell hemlock]

warf

all the fatimas suddenly turn from hijabis to niqabis when they see bro's flight arrival 😭

[crystal kayak]

Yeah I ain't believing one word that comes out of his mouth