🧠｜serious-chat

[tender vessel]

I'm constantly getting the treatment on my messages. Lol

[shell hemlock]

Lol

[slender coral]

Deserved but your discussion is with the other poor guy not with me

@manic juniper is anything new happening in the Ukrainian-Russian war?

[manic juniper]

Not much, there were some talks recently but nothing moved, however a drone was intercepted in Poland and article 4 of NATO was called into question but I doubt anything significant will happen

The war will keep going for now

[shell hemlock]

Well you can't expect a woman to work in construction while she is heavily pregnant lol

There are a lot of differences between men and women

[manic juniper]

There are a lot of differences between men and other men and women and other women, wouldn't say these people aren't equal to one another

It would undermine how they are perceived and treated

[shell hemlock]

Too many, therefore I don't believe that there is a equality because how can two different things be completely equal

[manic juniper]

By the way this was the excuse they used in the past to treat black people differently in USA

[slender coral]

Ukraine is still holding on though. Those people have been holding on for a long time when all the circumstances are against them. Less soldiers, weaker weapons, weaker economy.

[shell hemlock]

Of course they have human rights

Yes sure

But they are not equal completely, they have their own differences

[slender coral]

People who aren't Americans wouldn't see how similar racial equality and gender equality. They don't know about the arguments that were used by racists to justify the lack of equality.

[tiny apex]

Everything has a connection to the terrorists /j

[shell hemlock]

What are you implying ? Would you mind elaborating more on that ?

I said they have their own differences, can a biological man give birth and bear the pain of giving birth the same way a woman can ?

Women have uteruses and men don't

The chances of* men giving birth is literally impossible compared to women who have chances of giving birth, so

[turbid dome]

2. There's plenty of issues about men having multiple wives too. Seems awfully convenient those aren't disqualifying. It doesn't exactly do equity either, as it makes women subservient to men. 3) So why exactly are women half as able to make judgement or testimony about finances? The only answer that could be given would rely on the assumption that women are of less intelligence then men. 4) The Hadith is the same although of different versions. See 3. 5) If the power dynamics are set up in an uneven way it shouldn't be surprising that it happens. 6) Do you endorse hitting women? 7) Would it not have been accepted between the time it was invented and the time that scholarship came to cover it?

[tender vessel]

I'm genuinely asking. Have you actually ever used your brain? I mean, your ideas are so absurd I can't even understand how do you relate to reason at all.
There is no such thing as gender equality. It's a travesty to say men and women are the same, and it's 100% unjust. Sure, they may share common rights and obligations, but they are not identical in all ways. They are only equal in value.

[shell hemlock]

Yeah "some"

[slender coral]

You aren't genuine. Get lost.

Fucking hell, bro keeps expecting a civil discussion when he keeps avoiding being civil.

Defect in reason, that fits him more not the women.

[shell hemlock]

A woman can give birth and a man can't, simple as that

Why overcomplicate things

[lilac iron]

Soryy sorry

[slender coral]

@lilac iron share your thoughts bro maybe you are better than those people

[shell hemlock]

Okay so do you think some men can give birth ?

[turbid dome]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

[shell hemlock]

What is your point

[turbid dome]

Intersex people can both give birth and get someone pregnant

[tiny apex]

Are you guys discussing what is a woman now cause this is actually interesting

[turbid dome]

It's not so simple

[shell hemlock]

No thank you

[slender coral]

They are discussing geneder equality. What do you think?

[turbid dome]

People are born intersex

[shell hemlock]

Yeah because they can't be equal

[lilac iron]

I've been talking here for 2 hours today I really don't know what to say

[shell hemlock]

They are different from each other

[tiny apex]

I just popped into to see intersex so that’s what I assumed that’s still interesting though

[slender coral]

Yea, what are your thoughts on gender equality?

[tiny apex]

I mean gender is a pretty broad group but I mean yeah women tend to have it harder than men considering patriarchies and such

[turbid dome]

very cool

[manic juniper]

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/equal

And

[red yacht]

There something so fuck up about charlie kirk assasination, it rages me a lot, I know it doesnt has anything to do with what you are talking right now but having opposing views and calling it deserving of the shot is horrendous. He was a human, if anyone says it was deserved so its justified to kill someone because that someone slightly dissagrees with you

[shell hemlock]

When both sides is the exact same

That is equal

We're given different duties, what makes that equal

[manic juniper]

True

[shell hemlock]

Eh

[slender coral]

The people tend to not understand that men and women being different isn't enough base for discrimination. Two groups of people can be different, but if you treat all of the group based on trends in it, is that fair? Imagine getting 2 groups of men, group A and group B. Group A, on average, is physically stronger than B, does that mean it's fair to give everyone in each group the same responsibilities and have the same expectations about them? No.
And the funny thing is, much of those differences are manufactured. Much of the psychological differences between men and women are result of culture not inherent biological difference, and if you ask people who oppose equality to give you any scientific evidence that women are simply less incompetent in matters of leadership and in becoming independent they wouldn't be able to.

[manic juniper]

Unless the current trends change it'll be interesting to see a world where women dominate all higher education levels

[turbid dome]

maybe for the most devoted of keyboard warriors

[tiny apex]

Literally couldn’t have said it better (I mean it this is very well-written) i think it’s because gender norms have existed for so long, people have accepted those pre-conceived notions as the truth

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/vovapryanick-rage-vova-angry-smash-gif-17644622

[turbid dome]

Already happening

[manic juniper]

The OG keyboard warrior

[tiny apex]

When in reality women could do the same jobs as men without trouble it’s just that some aren’t given the tools to do so OR told and conditioned into thinking that they can’t which is damaging

[turbid dome]

yup

[manic juniper]

Even illegal immigrants in the construction sector are using more and more heavy machinery

[slender coral]

Thank you
It really saddens me honestly how girls keep getting told that they are simply less able than men, and then she realizes this in herself that she isn't able to handle life on her own, and think it's that all women are inherently like that.

[manic juniper]

The age of the gorilla is over 😔 may Harambe rest in peace

[shell hemlock]

Yeah but... men aren't women and women aren't men...

[turbid dome]

self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're always told you're not as good at certain things, you never try and thus never learn how to, and then you are worse at certain things, which is in turn used to justify the cycle you're in

[shell hemlock]

🤔

I never said that women can't do jobs that men can

But to say that men and women are the same, it's not possible

[turbid dome]

that was the implication

[slender coral]

No one is saying men and women are the same.

[tiny apex]

I think this could be applicable to basically everything quite honestly which is sad (people being told for so long they aren’t capable of better: pretty much any group of people who are at a lower place or believed to be) i wish humans didn’t hold such insane biases we really could’ve been living the dream if not for discrimination

[shell hemlock]

Some messages got deleted

[tiny apex]

Love Charlie sheen in two and a half men i know that’s random

[tender vessel]

2. That's why it's only permissible under certain conditions. The default is one. Additionally, men are ruled as the guardians of the family. They are obligated to provide for and guard the family. Family in Islam is a tight-knit structure, each spouse has his own responsibilities and rights, but men are higher in rank in responsibility.
   If I were to illustrate it, I would say a man is the president, the woman is the vice-president. That doesn't mean women are any less than men, just like you're not any less than your boss in work.
3. I’m not in the habit of going in circles. I've already answered that question. Their testimony is half of men's testimony because they're generally less involved in financial matters than men.
4. Irrelevant.
5. Wha..? The power dynamics is already uneven. Men are physically stronger than women. Islam promotes equity for that exact reason. That's called justice.
6. After nicely advising and leaving her in bed and with a Miswak that barely tickles to imply firmness and seriousness? Yes.
7. Muslims before the science of Hadith was fully formalized only accepted Hadiths from people they trusted. Later, scholars of Hadith authenticated these Hadiths for everybody, but those Hadiths weren't always widespread anyways. But that's irrelevant, though.

[slender coral]

The equality people demand isn't the equality in everything, because naturally all humans are different based on cultural backgrounds, age, gender, etc..
The equality people demand is equality in chances. If a woman can lead, she is allowed to do so. If she can fight, she is allowed in the police or army. If she can live independently, she is allowed to make her choices without having a guardian.

[tiny apex]

Okay I’m not looking for a debate or anything but one thing I’m wondering a miswak is a stick it’s not like it doesn’t hurt at all

Just saying because implying it tickles is a little dubious and I know what it feels like

[manic juniper]

Anyone here ever got hit by a stick on their fingers? That shit hurts more than most slaps

It lasts for longer

[tiny apex]

Literally I don’t get where tickles is coming from and I’m not trying to be a hater but that’s a big yikes

Can we just not try to justify men beating their wives in any way

[slender coral]

It is coming from downplaying abuse, obviously.

[tiny apex]

I was sort of taking it seriously until I saw that 🤦🏽‍♀️

[tender vessel]

That's a Miswak. It's approximately the size of your finger, some are smaller than modern toothbrushes. I don't think that may hurt, but it's not beating, though. Beating would give a very bad connotation.

[slender coral]

Damn, you got hit like that?

[manic juniper]

Yes, my mum wasn't the kindest and fairest parent

[slender coral]

Damn, I'm sorry.

[tiny apex]

I mean I don’t know the context but my dad used to have miswaks and they’re thick and way longer than that (maybe it’s a different kind though) my mom once hit me on my wrist with it and it stung pretty bad

But hey again I don’t know the full context so maybe the men are or aren’t hitting them like that it’s beyond me

[manic juniper]

Sticks work in a weird way, larger sticks tend to hurt less because the impact force is more distributed... Unless the stick gets huge

[turbid dome]

2. The boss and president are both higher than the employee and vice president. You literally just called males the guardians of the family lmao. Why can't women marry multiple men under special circumstances. 3) Why are women less involved in financial matters then men? Seems the reason keeps going back to the assumption that women are stupid. 5) "Israel is already stronger than Palestine, let's award more power to Israel so they can guard and protect the Palestinians". Yeah I wonder why there's so much abuse, nothing about that is equity. An inbalance in power dynamics doesn't mean to tip the scale further to the side of the powerful. 6) Yikes, I'm sure she'll really appreciate that you kindly explained everything to her and why she deserves to be hit with a wooden stick.

[manic juniper]

Thinner sticks hurt much more than wide sticks unless the stick is wide as fuck

[tender vessel]

Lol. You just confirmed my suspicion that you don't use your brain. I was sarcastically quoting your absurd statement about us not being used to push backs and criticism.

[turbid dome]

bed of nails concept

[tiny apex]

True but if you administer enough power on the hit thick sticks feel painful, thin sticks have the pain AND stinging

[shell hemlock]

I believe we already have the human rights ourselves, at least where I'm from anyway (?) we don't have any issues with the laws that we have now, if anything I believe women here have more than enough rights if we talk about in court such as in terms of divorces, gaining custodies, etc

Also I apologize if I'm responding slow I'm trying to listen in on the VC rn, my bad

[manic juniper]

I'd say that the tree branch on the head hurts less than the small stick on the hands but one could lead to more long lasting damage

[slender coral]

You are truly not used to push back and criticisms. Your countries execute, imprison, and restrict those who criticize Islam. Wtf is this insincere fundamentalist is saying?

It amazes me how you have the guts to deny how anti intellectual the shitholes you live in are.

[shell hemlock]

Well well well

[slender coral]

And it amazes me how you accuse me of dishonesty and insincerity and yet keep trying talking with me.

[tender vessel]

Look who's talking. Lol
Every Muslim you debate says you're dishonest. And I respond to whatever I like. I disengage when I decide to, but you can get lost if you want.

[shell hemlock]

May Allah have mercy

[slender coral]

No amount of talking would change a close-minded Muslim

[tiny apex]

To be fair any country ruled by religion over logic is bad look at India

[slender coral]

I understand. But y'know, Muslim countries tend to be more like that. Even the ones that appear secular from the outside, many of their laws are still heavily affected by religion.

[slender coral]

I never got hit with the miswak (got hit with other stuff 😅)
This is very useful to know, because Muslim fundamentalists often downplay the hurt the miswak can cause.

It's not something Flare pulled out of his butt

[manic juniper]

The flying sandal?

[slender coral]

The belt and the clothes hanger

[manic juniper]

The fuck, the second is the ultimate third world parenting weapon

[slender coral]

And once or twice got a shoe thrown at me

[manic juniper]

Not even my mum used the belt but her parents did

[turbid dome]

tbh the best example I can some up with is probably Russia, because Russian orthodox sentiment is strong and India at least has a reason to be poor

[turbid dome]

You guys got hit with objects? I just got hit directly, sometimes choked

[manic juniper]

Most of the times directly but the flying sandal was allowed if the laziness and distance prevailed

[turbid dome]

Did you George W Bush them?

[magic olive]

Okie

[tiny apex]

I can agree with that honestly as a Muslim our religion hasn’t changed in thousands of years a lot of things will be pretty dated (which of course I don’t agree with) I just don’t like people trying to say Muslims the people are bad but the religion I get the criticisms

[turbid dome]

ahh ok

[manic juniper]

But objects were fair game, depending on what I did or how she felt

[tiny apex]

Sorry for that 😔 we have to be the ones to make a change I would never try to hit my kids or my spouse in any way

[turbid dome]

I guess mine enjoyed using their hands cause objects were never considered and I never even knew people got him with objects, I thought if they were extra angry they just tossed you on the ground and choked you for a few seconds

[shell hemlock]

I can't answer everything people ask about Islam and why things are written the way it was written in the Quran, I believe only Allah has the answer to that

[slender coral]

I'm in Egypt. We have a class of women and men who guard residential buildings. They live in our garages and maintain certain stuff related to the buildings. Often I see these women outside hitting and yelling at their children. It's annoying and depressing, I'd be excited about the new day and walk down the streets to get to my university in the morning and then see one of these women abuse her child, and the child cries loudly. I encountered that multiple times.

[slender coral]

It's not that Muslims are inherently bad people, but Muslim societies tend to have a lot of problem. And to be fair a big reason of it is political and economic circumstances.

[tiny apex]

I’m not saying you’re necessarily saying anything wrong it’s just when you present things in a certain way it comes off wrong to others, or not accepting that even our religion can have things to criticize like all religions but yes we are not the ones to judge that’s allah’s job

[slender coral]

Thank you

[turbid dome]

Yeah, there's also a huge problem with religious people in general hearing criticism of religion (which is thousands of years old and thus quite outdated in many aspects) and taking it as a personal attack

[tiny apex]

Also because of a lack of education and that a lot of Muslim countries have unfortunately faced a lot of dictatorships and we all know that has a direct correlation to a dumber and more susceptible/sheep-like society

[turbid dome]

It's just like critiquing any other book, not condemning all the fans

[manic juniper]

I saw a video about Egyptian quarters devoted to trash management(?)
What even is that supposed to be? Is it a class of people who simply collect trash? They were Copts in that video

There was this Egyptologist speaking Coptic to people leaving in a place with trash everywhere, the people themselves were clean but it's sad that all the trash is concentrated in one place

I think they were called zabalin or something

[tiny apex]

Egyptologist? Is that a real thing?

[turbid dome]

yes

[manic juniper]

Yes, wait until you find out that Turkologists exist too

[tiny apex]

Let me look this up I’ve never heard of this profession

[turbid dome]

I think my dad knew someone in college that became like a coffin specialist, academia can get specific af

[manic juniper]

I got a friend from Ukraine who's a Turkologist

[shell hemlock]

Well for somebody who rejects Islam as a whole I believe anything in the Quran is wrong to them, I am still studying Islam even after converting

[turbid dome]

what about a turkmenologist

[slender coral]

Not necessarily copts. Idk much about it but from my understanding they collect that stuff and give it for maybe companies or something that recycle in exchange for money.

[manic juniper]

It works under the same umbrella, you can specialise in Turkmen I guess

[slender coral]

Zabalin basically means scavengers.

[manic juniper]

The video was about a Coptic community but anyone can do this, it's simply a class of people who deal with trash

[shell hemlock]

Everyone has different experiences... but I never generalize people by what they believe in

[lilac iron]

...

[turbid dome]

Get me their number asap I need an overview in turkmens

[manic juniper]

You're still in time to change major and field

[tiny apex]

Oh you’re an ex-Muslim or just converted? Either way is fine I’m just confused but mashallah for looking into Islam must people just look at the surface

[turbid dome]

nah It'll be supplemental knowledge for when I become head of UN offices in Turkmenistan

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabbaleen I guess it's this

[turbid dome]

smhhhh

[slender coral]

Yup

[manic juniper]

Damn they'd have a field day in Naples

They'd make South Italy look shiny and new

[turbid dome]

MSIGA

[manic juniper]

Don't they risk getting infections or diseases? Or are they superhumans because of this job

[tiny apex]

Informal 😬 do they not get paid

[turbid dome]

you can always protect yourself

[manic juniper]

I found out that the Amish are superhumans because of their fucked up habits and traditions

[slender coral]

Of course they do. But that's what you do to survive y'know.

[manic juniper]

But they're also limited by the incest

We need to create a race of Amish without incest

[slender coral]

Get paid for the stuff they collect I guess, no salary.

[manic juniper]

You'd have to walk in hazmat suit 24/7 if you live in a quarter where all people work in that job

[tiny apex]

The Amish are some odd people I always wonder what they’re got going on in those communities

[turbid dome]

they live in entire quarters? nvm yeah it's bad

[tiny apex]

They should strike so they can get an actual salary because that sound horrible

[manic juniper]

At least those I saw in the video... Yeah they did

[turbid dome]

There's some maybe 2 hours away from me in Oklahoma, they bring a horse and wagon by the highway sometimes

[turbid dome]

ok they'll just die 💀

[tiny apex]

Can’t imagine the health risks where is the health department in Egypt? They have egyptologists but not a health minister 😭

[manic juniper]

Lmao I feel like most Egyptologists don't even live in Egypt

[shell hemlock]

I was agnostic and ex Christian, it took me 7-8 months asking a lot of questions about Islam, meeting Muslims themselves, involving myself in Islamic spaces, tbh during that period I was lost and confused, I denied Islam as an ex Christian before converting myself and the more I studied the more I found myself having iman and only Allah knows best subhanallah I am guided into the right path

[cursive bobcat]

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[tiny apex]

Sounds pretty chill they keep to themselves and just sell stuff occasionally sounds like a weird life though with all the incest and being practically away from the rest of society

[manic juniper]

Bruh where were you hours ago

[tiny apex]

😭😭 probably don’t that’d be so funny that the experts of a country aren’t even remotely from there

[turbid dome]

Yeah it's gotta be weird

[shell hemlock]

Both

[slender coral]

The military dictatorship is very incompetent

[turbid dome]

Rumor has it Sisi has bridge autism

[slender coral]

And people are more interested in filing lawsuits against people like me instead of focusing on such problems 🫠

[tiny apex]

Mashallah lily I’m very happy for you! It’s hard to just drift in life without a belief or purpose so I’m happy you found one in Islam 🙏

[manic juniper]

It's convenient to distract them with menial stuff rather than focusing on what's wrong in the country

[loud nest]

وَأَنَّهُ تَعَالَى جَدُّ رَبِّنَا مَا اتَّخَذَ صَاحِبَةً وَلَا وَلَدًا ﴾.

[tiny apex]

I can tell there are some very very bad issues if they’re missing really important figures in government like that

[slender coral]

So, you posted this out of nowhere. What do you expect to happen exactly?

[turbid dome]

They're too busy building up their military and being a puppet for America

[slender coral]

Fr

[loud nest]

Sorry I sent it for a VC man

[tiny apex]

Trying to get a little extra aid money, too bad 😭 2 trillion to Israel please

[turbid dome]

According to Sisi: Yo America I hate money give it to Israel

Sisi could cause a global crisis by closing sinai but it would be mutually assured destruction as Israel would invade

[tiny apex]

If the money can’t go to me then it’s not coming at all - sisi

[slender coral]

You watched him when he said "we need the safety and well-being of the Israeli citizen to stand side by side by the safety and well-being of the Israeli citizen"?

[turbid dome]

No I didn't hear that lmao

[slender coral]

He said that in the UN

[tiny apex]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[turbid dome]

that's awesome

[slender coral]

@tiny apexbro try to find the video in English with me please 😭😭😭

[tiny apex]

I’ll find it give me a minute

[tiny apex]

I can’t find it anywhere 😭 no health minister in Egypt but they struck down any videos with that quickly

[slender coral]

I can get it in Arabic
https://youtube.com/shorts/0r-400d6flo?si=Ob0pdmiXCF5QGJTg

[manic juniper]

How did this guy become a dictator

[tiny apex]

I looked far and wide for one in English but it doesn’t exist 😔 no one cares enough to translate the fool

[manic juniper]

Is it because the army didn't want someone who was too strong willed or competently evil

[turbid dome]

Murica

[slender coral]

Probably

[tiny apex]

Just the right amount of stupid and evil

[tender vessel]

Hmmmm.

[slender coral]

[manic juniper]

Dictators in the past: Cause a massive genocide in a depressingly short amount of time

Dictators today: Creates and distributes tractors, mosque and church megaproject, big golden statues, non-white cars bad

[slender coral]

Anyway, good night to y'all, except for the religious fanatics.

[manic juniper]

Goodnight

[manic juniper]

Liberal framework? Martini? Lol

[turbid dome]

Idek how to respond cause there's so much whataboutism and fallacy that it's insane

[tiny apex]

Nobody ever talks about how much dictators just love giant versions of themselves

I think it’s a sign that we shouldn’t vote for narcissists

[manic juniper]

Then there is India, it has the biggest statue in the world of a guy no one knows anything about

[tiny apex]

Really? Whats it called?

Just asking because I want to see this for myself

[manic juniper]

Statue of Unity or something, it's a guy staring somewhere

[turbid dome]

Also a terrible misunderstanding of statistics. The reason divorce is more likely is because women have the freedom to not spend the rest of their lives with an abuser, when women have the ability to hold higher standards for men turns out they aren't forced into marrying pigs.

Like so many men just treat women like livestock

[tiny apex]

Yeah seriously who is that 😭 can’t believe it’s bigger than that giant Jesus statue in South America (Brazil I think)

[tender vessel]

Yes. His statements are pretty much liberal.
Saying a man is not a guardian of his family and wife and rejecting gender-based guardianship is pretty much a liberal view, at least in the Western modern sense of liberalism.

[manic juniper]

Yes, they have ridiculously long Christian city names in that part of the world too

Unlike Europe, even in the Iberian peninsula you never end up with such city names

[tiny apex]

Literally I don’t get how people consider a divorce to be a bad thing? If two people decide they don’t belong together that’s how they do it why would two incompatible people stay together 🙄

[turbid dome]

To be fair, he didn't say divorce, but it does go hand in hand with those marriage statistics

[tiny apex]

I only think divorce gets complicated if you have kids but some men use that as a trap so it’s a complicated issue

[tiny apex]

I’ve heard of some Mexican cities you would think they’re saying full sentences nope just a small town

[turbid dome]

Also, 1974 is an oddly specific year to choose, almost as if something happened that year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Educational_Equity_Act#:~:text=The Women's Educational Equity Act,in elementary and secondary schools.

For the equity you love so much btw

[tiny apex]

The 70s was a pretty big step forward for women in terms of laws passed to benefit them too

[manic juniper]

I don't even know how they allowed us to get away with it

[turbid dome]

https://www.justice.gov/crt/equal-credit-opportunity-act-3 actually I didn't even realize this passed the same year but seems important

[tender vessel]

You're doubling down. You haven't even responded in the first place. You restated facts with no rebuttals (boss/president ranking), you made an unsolicited reaction, i.e., laughing while restating what I said about men's guardianship, you asked a question that I've already answered (polyandry), committed a slippery slope (non-involvement of women in financial affairs), committed a false equivalence (Israel-Palestine with men-women), and then made an unjustifiable sarcastic comment.

I was really looking for a truly intellectual discussion with you, and I'm trying to be as empathetic as I possibly can in the debate. Anyways, I'm disengaging. at this point, it's a waste of my time and energy.

[tender vessel]

LMAO. Yeah yeah, sure. 😂

[turbid dome]

Loves trying to make everything out to be a slippery slope when the argument turns out like this 😭

[manic juniper]

Why is it a false equivalence? What are the chances of Palestine getting more land than Israel, more people than Israel, a stronger military, a better economy and even nuclear weapons?

Unless something akin to Mongolia happens, where unfortunate events lead to Israel becoming the size of a pea and most Israelis end up living in other Arab countries again, including a Greater Palestine

It seems a good comparison between men and women

[tender vessel]

Because men vs women strength is a biological difference. Israeli occupation vs Palestine is a geopolitical conflict shaped by human actions.
Women are inherently physically weaker, Palestine isn't inherently weaker, it was just weakened while the Israeli occupation was strengthened.

[manic juniper]

Women and men being stronger or weaker isn't inherent, it's a result of sexual dimorphism. In some animals it's the opposite

In others they are almost indistinguishable such as rock doves

Palestine is as inherently weak as a woman is, it's weak now but it could get stronger because Israel collapses, women could select weaker men to the point they become stronger through sexual selection

[tender vessel]

Well, that's irrelevant. I'm specifically referring to present-day human beings.

[manic juniper]

Present-day Palestine and Israel work like that too

I doubt I'll wake up tomorrow and Palestine's economy is greater than USA's and China's combined

[strange iris]

I like how we’re comparing men and women with Palestine and Israel

[tender vessel]

That's categorical error. The nature of the two differences is different. Sure, sexual dimorphism may change in the degree of difference, but it's pretty much constant and won't disappear. The difference in strength between Palestine and the Israeli occupation can suddenly change, it's not constant.
I don't know what's so hard to understand about it, but I hope it's clearer now, perhaps.

[strange iris]

It’ll get too exhausting discussing two different topics at once

[tender vessel]

I'm already exhausted and making a lot of spelling and grammatical errors. I better get ready for bed now.

[manic juniper]

It's not really constant, a lot of it is dictated by cultural preferences and trends, and already in the past we know of mutations such as different colours that were more successful than others and quickly became widespread

[tiny apex]

I think it’s supposed to be an analogy

[shy summit]

The point of equality is not to ignore differences in capacity on average. The point is that all people get a fair shot without judgement based on Sex.

[round canopy]

i hate windows so much, I wanna reinstall arch and I booted to this bloated piece of crap and even tho I have a custom windows by ghost spectre with no damn updates and it's an LTSC version it still have got a damn update and I have to wait to see nothing being changed

it takes forever

[magic olive]

Bro

Leave the serious chat out of this

[marble seal]

Get a better pc

[round canopy]

windows is shit pmo

I'm deleting ts after installation of arch

once forever it pmo for sure

ii hate it

[high raven]

It does, I did the same update last night and it took a minute or two of being stuck at 97%

[high raven]

That's windows for you, once you get comfortable I really think you should run just one OS and ditch win

[round canopy]

Im instaling arch once forever

[round canopy]

it took it 15 mins

window pmo for sure

windows is a slow ass

[strange iris]

I know

[round canopy]

fr

[thorny steeple]

One morning I stood in front of the mirror and my face showed my failures. Someone hated me in the mirror. How painful it is to hate yourself

[molten dagger]

hy

[odd cypress]

Hi serious ppl 🙂

[fervent heron]

I just finish my breakfast

dead chat

dead chat

[high raven]

You should've kept the previous profile picture, it would've started some interesting discussions

[high raven]

Good on you William 👏🏻

[fervent heron]

thanks 🥺

[odd cypress]

Which pic exactly

You talking about

Lol

I'll do it later

[hasty geode]

hhhh you can't notice the difference ???!!

lol bro wtf

Morocco is 5 corners and Israel 6 corners

[turbid dome]

cross in name as counter to it?

[formal pilot]

@high raven lil bro I'm ready with my arguments, lemme know when you're free to discuss religion again

[fervent heron]

damnn

the fun has just begun

[olive herald]

@high raven

[high raven]

The picture was 3alam l Maghrib ma3 3alam l Yahud, I didn't say their stars are the same

[hybrid herald]

https://tenor.com/view/smadging-pepe-smadging-gif-26061387

[high raven]

Exactly, otherwise people will confuse him with being the only Christian

[high raven]

Arguments for what?

[fervent heron]

so you are not Christian?

[formal pilot]

Historical Contradictions in gospels

[hybrid herald]

Only that chat is alive

[formal pilot]

She has been a victim of Islamophobia, this cross will protect her in future

[turbid dome]

Get her a garlic necklace and she will be vampire proof too

[formal pilot]

What if she's one

We never know

[high raven]

There aren't any contradictions in the Gospels, there's only a few discrepancies in minor details, are you referring to a specific one?

[hasty geode]

They are major contradictions, not minor discrepancies. One Gospel's account of an event will completely contradict another's

[hasty geode]

How can a perfect God's book have any contradictions? Furthermore, the Gospels lack historical credibility since Jesus himself didn't write or supervise them

[high raven]

I’m curious, can you point to any major contradictions in the Gospels that aren’t just differences in perspective, emphasis, or style?

[high raven]

That's interesting, I'm assuming that you're a Muslim?

[hasty geode]

Yes, I am a Muslim. Since you asked, let's discuss the validity of Islam itself. If Islam is proven to be true, then by extension, Christianity's core claims are invalidated by what God revealed in the Qur'an.
The fundamental point of conflict is the nature of God. In Islam, God's oneness (Tawhid) is absolute and uncompromising. He is One.
You say that God is one, but you also say the Father is fully God, the Son is fully God, and the Holy Spirit is fully God. Logically, this is not one God, but three distinct gods. How can three separate, fully divine beings be a single being? This is a logical and mathematical contradiction

I'm sorry, I'm brand new to Discord, so I'm still a beginner and figuring out how everything works
hhhh

[formal pilot]

Ooh so this is the ever ending Contradiction present by muslims, if you scroll back enough you'll find her explanation about the same argument, again and again and again

[formal pilot]

Yes discord can be really annoying at start, i had to watch a yt tutorial to understand it lol

[urban swift]

Does God have a gender ? @high raven same question for you

[formal pilot]

"but we also accept the real events it recorded" how am I supposed to accept it when the Gospels keep contradicting each other, for example

Matthew:

1. Jesus is born, king Herod orders the massacre of infants
2. jospeh get's warned in dream and they flee to Egypt (jospeh, mary and Jesus)
3. THEY REMAIN IN EGYPT UNTIL HEROD DIES

Luke:

1. Jesus is born
2. after days of purification (40 days) they go to Jerusalem
3. no mention of Egypt

not only that, In Matthew Jesus stays in Egypt till the death of Herod, he never met Herod
In Luke Jesus meets Herod, he even get mocked by him

Supporting verses
Matthew 2:14-15
Luke 23:8

[solemn frost]

Matthew 2:14-15 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<14> And he rose and took the child and his mother by night, and departed to Egypt, <15> and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet," Out of Egypt have I called my son."

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

Luke 23:8 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<8> When Herod saw Jesus, he was very glad, for he had long desired to see him, because he had heard about him, and he was hoping to see some sign done by him.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[formal pilot]

You can ignore all other arguments by @urban swift and @hasty geode

[urban swift]

Simp!

[formal pilot]

You can scroll up, she already answered similar arguments multiple times, I had to read the Bible for this argument

[urban swift]

Nice contradictions.
Confuse thy illiterates until they submit and accept the religion 😆

[formal pilot]

Elaborate

[urban swift]

Link it up or let someone else do it.

I questioned @hasty geode too

[formal pilot]

For the record i never want sanna to become an atheist, I just want to know how they think about these verses

[hasty geode]

My friend, let's set aside the Trinity for a moment. How do you respond to the story of Jacob wrestling God? How can the magnificent Creator of the universe physically wrestle a human being and be defeated by him? That portrayal is incredibly demeaning.
This leads to the bigger problem: the absolute lack of the Bible's historical reliability. It has been irrefutably proven by textual criticism that the texts have been altered over the centuries.
Crucially, even the key Trinitarian verses that Christian doctrine is built upon—like 1 John 5:7, the 'Comma Johanneum'—have been proven by your own scholars to be later additions, not part of the original manuscripts.
So my question is, how can you accept a book that has been demonstrably altered, even by a single letter? Shouldn't the book of God be perfect, infallible, and divinely preserved? It should be free from vulgar language and completely free from any errors, big or small.
How can the great Creator of this majestic universe be portrayed as making mistakes, or being so weak and debased?

[solemn frost]

1 John 5:7 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<7> And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

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[high raven]

Holy moly alright let me read

[formal pilot]

I'm not the targeted audience, I'm agnostic atheist and i don't believe in Christianity

🥻

[tiny apex]

Most* here are so well-versed in the Bible it’s interesting

[hasty geode]

You're right, my friend. But with the incredible magnificence of this universe, how can one be an atheist? If you don't mind, I'd like to discuss this with you respectfully for a bit, as you seem like a very respectable person from your words.
My name is Abdulrahman, from Egypt

[urban swift]

I have observed these contradictions too and how religious scholars provide verses to back up their claims.
Interestingly in past most of people were illiterate or didn't have religious books in their hand(until the printing press invented) so naturally they just submitted and accepted them religions because king/enemy imposed them without fact check, reading or analysing for criticism.

Even now if you find contradictions or something wrong in them books they turn the round and round just to confuse. That's their technique, keep arguing and confusing others.

[hasty geode]

fk i put the reply to sanna hhhhh
i bot beginner hhh

[formal pilot]

Some awesome people are also well versed in the Qur'an and Hadith, can't be me

[hasty geode]

You are absolutely right, my friend. This is extremely common, especially in Christianity. These are catastrophic errors that can neither be interpreted away nor patched up.
But it seems some people are willing to accept complete nonsense and logical absurdities just to hold on to their faith

[high raven]

Alright so, right off the bat, God is one, but exists as three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not three separate gods. It’s a mystery of God’s nature, not a contradiction, which even you would agree with can't be a "Logical and mathematical contradiction". Also, regarding your first point, if you trust the Quran as revealed through Muhammad, who didn’t write it himself, isn’t that kind of similar, relying on a revelation delivered by a human?

[urban swift]

I asked you something simple. Does God have a gender?

[high raven]

No, for neither one of us

[urban swift]

Does it make god asexual ? A queer?

[hasty geode]

The Qur'an cannot be changed, not even by a single letter, because millions of people have memorized it verbatim. This is unlike the Bible, which is impossible to memorize orally.
So, the Qur'an was preserved both orally (through memorization) and in writing from the very beginning.
This is why the oldest manuscripts of the Qur'an are 100% identical to the text we have today. This is the complete opposite of what we find with the manuscripts of the Bible

[formal pilot]

I respectfully disagree with certain points. It's true that widespread illiteracy and limited access to books meant the general public lacked full awareness, but the critique I offered isn’t novel, similar arguments have been made for centuries, Christianity has faced thoughtful criticism for hundreds of years

[hasty geode]

How can God have a gender? How can the very Being who created the concept of gender be confined by it, my friend?
On the contrary, God is Al-Ghaniyy (The Self-Sufficient); He has absolutely no need for His creation. He is Al-Ahad (The One), He is Al-Qawiyy (The All-Powerful). All perfection belongs to Him, and absolutely nothing resembles Him.
He is completely separate and distinct from His creation. He is the Creator, free of any need from anything He created. As the Qur'an states perfectly: 'There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing

[formal pilot]

Can you provide me the name of earliest manuscripts of Qur'an which contains every content of modern Qur'an

[urban swift]

So god has no gender? Just how do some queer people like to identify themselves ?

[high raven]

I have to refer to the second part of what I said earlier, "... the emphasis is always on divine meaning and teaching and not strict chronology", the Gospels emphasize different aspects of the same events, we see them as complementary perspectives, not strictly contradictions as the order doesn't really matter. In the verses you mentioned, Matthew highlights Jesus as Messiah and the flight to Egypt, Luke highlights his connection to all people and the temple presentation. We accept the differences as natural expressions of God's truth, while Catholics see them, and other discrepancies, as contradictions to be harmonized into a single chronological narrative

[urban swift]

Your critique is good.

[high raven]

In a sense you could actually argue for that, it's not exactly problematic

Concepts like male, female, or queer don’t apply to God, you could definitely refer to him as being asexual without being theologically too far off (When it comes to both Christianity and Islam)

[hasty geode]

My friend, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came with over a thousand confirmed, undeniable miracles witnessed by thousands of people. He was followed by over 100,000 companions (Sahaba). How can we explain all of these great miracles?
God promised him victory, and he was indeed victorious in all his battles until the religion was perfected. God Almighty then revealed the verse: 'This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.' (Qur'an 5:3).
Furthermore, Muslims opened lands with their superior character and morals. Look at Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world. Not a single Muslim soldier ever entered it. This huge number of people embraced Islam simply because they were convinced of its truth through the character of Muslim traders

[urban swift]

Why do I often see hardcore christians talking against queer people, historically excluding them from socio economy, killing them. Considering them a sin. Given that god is genderless shouldn't male female constraints be avoided?

[formal pilot]

Some scholars argue Matthew shaped the narrative to fit theological goals, which makes sense to me, how am I supposed to accept that bible can be a reliable source of historical events

"As the order doesn't matter" yes it does matter, without fleeing to egypt it was impossible to fulfill the prophecy

[high raven]

It's not exclusive to Christians but to answer your question, those actions aren’t truly Christian, they distort Christ’s teachings. God is beyond gender, so using the scripture to justify cruelty, exclusion, or murder is a corruption of faith, not genuine Christianity. I'm on the far-right end of the spectrum, we don't see some denominations, and those who do what you mentioned, as true Christians

[formal pilot]

Both verses cannot be true, at least one must be an invention

Anyway, i don't think it's possible for a Christian to provide a satisfactory explanation here

[round cradle]

Dang this chat is really serious

[urban swift]

Is slavery a good thing? How do you feel about some verses from bible? Like:

Exodus 21:20-21
Ephesians 6:5

[solemn frost]

Exodus 21:20-21 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<20>" When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. <21> But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.

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Ephesians 6:5 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

Slaves and Masters

<5> Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ;

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[hasty geode]

My friend, we have something far greater than just manuscripts, something no other religion on this planet possesses. We have the Qur'an memorized. It is not just on paper; it is preserved in the hearts and tongues of millions.
If every single copy of the Qur'an were destroyed today, a young child who has memorized it could recite the entire Qur'an perfectly, without a single error. This oral preservation is a unique phenomenon.
And, contrary to claims about the Bible, there are ancient manuscripts of the Qur'an that perfectly match the current text. Consider the Birmingham Quranic Manuscript:
Significance: This manuscript is currently the most prominent and strongest candidate for the oldest written copy of the Qur'an in the world.
Discovery: It's part of the 'Mingana Collection' of Middle Eastern manuscripts, housed at the University of Birmingham, UK.
Radiocarbon Dating: In 2015, it underwent radiocarbon dating. This analysis showed with up to 95.4% accuracy that these parchment leaves were written between 568 and 645 AD.
Historical Context: This period directly overlaps with the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), whose life is believed to be between 570 and 632 AD. This means the scribe of this manuscript might have been a contemporary of the Prophet, or even seen and heard from him.
Content: The manuscript contains parts of Surahs 18 (Al-Kahf) to 20 (Taha), written in Hijazi script, one of the oldest Arabic scripts.
The Astonishing Finding: The verses in this ancient manuscript are found to be identical to the current Qur'anic text. There isn't a single letter replaced or changed. It is a perfect, literal match

I'm very sorry for the late reply, I'm feeling quite lost. I'm still not used to this place

[formal pilot]

birmingham quran manuscript isn't the entire Quran, it contains some verses from 3 surah with below 96% accuracy, I'm sure you're aware of the number of surah and verses in Quran

[formal pilot]

Take more time
to humainaize your arguments

[high raven]

It’s not about strict order though, Matthew highlights the flight to Egypt to show prophecy fulfilled, but the exact timing doesn’t make it any less true. The way of telling it emphasizes the theological meaning. Both accounts describe real events from different perspectives, showing Jesus’ mission without contradicting each other. It's Christian theology, it won't be a satisfactory explanation if you reject theological framing and only accept strict historical chronology, but it's how we (Orthodox) see it

[high raven]

I don't think anyone does, the verses you mentioned reflect the historical context of the time, it was a far worse time for them before those verses, and other, regulated the already common practice

[formal pilot]

Jesus was in Egypt until the death of Herod and he never met him

Jesus didn't flee to Egypt and he met Herod

I'm not sure how "perspectives" can make this unfathomable gap

Anyway, you're entitled to have different opinions and mostly likely I'll never understand the theological framing

[urban swift]

So you saying what is written in Bible Is fine to ditch in the modern era?

[formal pilot]

John 11:35

[solemn frost]

John 11:35 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<35> Jesus wept.

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[urban swift]

Daym

[urban swift]

You played good here 😆

[formal pilot]

I hate religious/ philosophical discussion early in the morning

It's time to accuse each other of homosexuality

[carmine crown]

real

[high raven]

Intellectually lazy if this is supposed to be the gotcha moment. The Bible’s core moral truths are timeless, but rules like those about slavery were meant for a specific historical context and don’t apply today, for more than obvious reasons. Refer to Galatians 3:28

[solemn frost]

Galatians 3:28 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<28> There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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[carmine crown]

wearing thigh high socks surely doesnt make u gay right

[hasty geode]

yes brother im sorry. the talk is too much and my english is medium not my langauge so its veryy hard for me to write this good. so yes some words maybe from ai... but i only use it for the date of the manusscript to be sure you know. thanks for notice
anyway who tell you quran is saved by manuscript??? i tell you muslims dont need manuscripts do you understand what i say???
the quran is all memorised by mouth. it can neverr be changed. we dont need the manuscript AT ALL
the manuscripts are like second proof for quran only second proof
we use manuscript argument for the bible becuase it is the ONLY way to save it. quran is diffrent. its saved in milions of people. if one guy change one letter the milions will correct him.
the bible need manuscripts and torah too becuase no one memorize it. no way to get the text without them. so we find the changes in bible from the difrent manuscripts. but quran is memorized by milions of muslims the same كلام. if you want to know quran you hear it... you dont have this at all
so the main point is this:
quran dont need manuscript. manuscript is just extra proof.
but other book like bible the manuscript is the main thing the number 1 thing. it is very eazy for a man who write it to change something. and nobody will know. becuase no one memorize it by mouth.
i hope this is clear for you my brother

[high raven]

Why did you ask then you Goy

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[hasty geode]

islam is a verry clear religion my freind. it just need you to be honest with your self.
i was a christian and after that i was atheist. then i come to islam and i am so so sure.
by clear evidince alhamdulillah

[tiny apex]

No but it does make you a femboy

[formal pilot]

To be convinced, what if Christianity is true, at the end I'm still unconvinced

[high raven]

Is Till a femboy?

I don't think there was one here prior to them, welcome

[carmine crown]

oh hell yeah mate

[carmine crown]

🤔 good to know that

[uneven citrus]

third time's the charm my guy

[dry wigeon]

@fresh flower Thought you'd wanna know

[carmine crown]

LMAO

[high raven]

Do you happen to be Scottish?

[carmine crown]

oh nahw, are most of em scottish or wuh?

[dry wigeon]

How do you go on about your business with almonds then?

[uneven citrus]

nah they be polish

[high raven]

Most of the ones I've ran into online are either Scottish or Finnish

[carmine crown]

they have business inside me

[dry wigeon]

😨😨😨

[uneven citrus]

aight bro

[carmine crown]

ohh yeahh, the urge to make a femboy hangout 😔

[tiny apex]

Interesting wording you got here

[carmine crown]

ohhh

[uneven citrus]

[carmine crown]

[dry wigeon]

The profile does say almondsexual

[formal pilot]

Not some words, more like whole some of words (nearly 92%) lol

I just asked you to provide me the name of a manuscript which contains nearly every content of modern Qur'an, how am I supposed to believe if 1200 years ago people used to memorize entire Quran

[tiny apex]

What is tillcest 😭😭😭

[dry wigeon]

Self love or something atp idk

[uneven citrus]

does bro make out with his till relatives

[carmine crown]

basically ur sona but theyre a char who existed :PP

[tiny apex]

Almondsexual femboys I hear something new everyday

[hasty geode]

how can christianity be the trueth with all these mistakes brother lol
this is so strange
why you dont search about islam and read the quran and ask your self... what if islam is the real truth??
with all the clear proofs i dont know what is stoping you from search and go deep
the prophet muhammad he came with more than 1000 miracle why you dont read about them and about him as a person. his personality and his story and how he lived

[formal pilot]

I'd choose Iranian femboy over any other femboy

[uneven citrus]

serbian femboys are underrated

[tiny apex]

It’s a tillfest

[dry wigeon]

Real

[formal pilot]

You're completely right, Christianity isn't true

[carmine crown]

almondsexual is rare to be known so

[dry wigeon]

SERIOUS discussion

[tiny apex]

Send them my way Aladdin

[formal pilot]

Now provide me manuscripts

[urban swift]

I get short time to use discord in morning 😭 yeah I find these discussions funny too because,

Empty vessels are the loudest.
Those who haven't even realised god keep arguing about it.

[formal pilot]

They smell like vodka

[tiny apex]

The joys of alcoholic femboys

[thorny maple]

A religion being internally consistent doesn't necessitate its truth value to be true

[dry wigeon]

We ALL came to the conclusion of Iranian Tomboy yesterday ngl

[formal pilot]

Do you believe that the majority of the population should leave religion?

[formal pilot]

I'd never know

[high raven]

Little, do you happen to be an ex-Muslim?

[formal pilot]

Ik a femboy (irl) he got a moustache like hitler

[tiny apex]

The joys of actually I don’t want to get banned

[hasty geode]

my friend after all this long answar you tell me you want a manuscript lol
after more than 100,000 man witness the quran you say maybe they didnt memorize it. after all the proofs that what they say is true.
no there is manyy manuscrips but from a later time becuase the need for writing the quran come then.
there is the mushaf of uthman and it has the quran complete in it
and again my friend please go back to my words maybe you did not get what i mean or maybe this idea is new for you

[formal pilot]

Yes, they're the best. If a Persian asks me to become religious, I'll start worshiping Allah

[tiny apex]

Are Persians really that great

[shell hemlock]

I just woke up and we are STILL talking about Islam

[dry wigeon]

😭😭😭

[shell hemlock]

I will eat, pray zohr and come back

[uneven citrus]

source : trust me bro

[high raven]

No one is asking Christian questions anymore

[carmine crown]

ive never seen any other femboys actually, except for one of my american friend, probably bcz i deadass dont socialize that much

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-emoji-depressed-no-one-noticed-gif-3523982770475778587

[tiny apex]

You know surprisingly they were talking about so many different things but now back to usual

[urban swift]

That verse sounds more like an escape goat.

See this is the issue. Some christians adhered to exodus leviticus Ephesians kinda verses because they want to keep slave and abuse them + to hate and kill homosexuals.
Whereas some christians like you just straight up deny it.

That's not intellectually lazy, that's what muslims point out about christians that christians aren't living upto the words of their book.

[tiny apex]

The femboys are out there, go get em champ ✌️

[uneven citrus]

better leave sum for the rest of us

[tiny apex]

Isn’t Hank already your femboy let us have the rest

[carmine crown]

okay bet, im packing up for them

[high raven]

You're agreeing with me, misusing Scripture for cruelty isn’t Christianity, it’s hypocrisy

[carmine crown]

femboy 4liferss :33

[high raven]

Have you been talking to Catholics

[fresh flower]

I'm eating a bowl of oatmeal can I have you as a dessert

[fresh flower]

OMG BRO WHAT NOW😭😭😭

Is it an atheist or a Muslim

[high raven]

Ex-Muslim, I can sense it

[hasty geode]

i want to ask a veryy very simple quistion:
how we explain more than 1000 miracle that a man called muhammad did. and god gave him power and he defeat all his enmies and his words spred every where.
how the muslims were allways the small number in the battle but they still win.
please answar me with honest and logic dont be baised.

[dry wigeon]

Is it okay that my feet didn't hang off a train 😢☹️

That reminds me

[fresh flower]

You can always tell an ex-Muslim from an ex-Christian

[dry wigeon]

Hi @deft sedge ...

[fresh flower]

I miss him.....

[high raven]

Very true

[tiny apex]

Even better I think they probably had a bad experience or two with a Muslim and now just critiques the religion as a whole or the group that believes in it

Sounds like a certain person

[dry wigeon]

1 year ago it was "I kiss him..." 💔💔💔

[high raven]

Yes, and it's not a dig toward Little or anyone else in general, but I've noticed that ex-Muslims always carry more trauma and hatred for religion than ex-Christians

[shell hemlock]

Ex Muslims actually hate Islam more than other religions/atheists/agnostics do, now I kinda noticed that’s the pattern

https://tenor.com/view/shawarma-heart-love-heart-locket-my-beloved-gif-11524534367917190461

It’s so good yall

[tiny apex]

Right I think linking experiences or how people have treated you to a broad idea to make yourself have something to blame (instead of just admitting those certain people are horrible) is just odd 😭 therapy exists for a reason and it needs to be more normalized

[hasty geode]

no answar at all for this?
this is so weired.

[carmine crown]

nah mate, were lit js chill 💔 otherwise ur js seeing the tiktok ones 😔

[fresh flower]

Wyd in my channel

Get out of here scumbag "Teacher"

[carmine crown]

mm shawarma, i want to stuff it in my mouth 🤤

[shell hemlock]

There’s another ex Muslim here who’s very anti Islam, when you see her here you will know who she is because every time she talks it’s always about Islam

[fresh flower]

Hello

[shell hemlock]

Same but I’m having chicken rn

[tiny apex]

Nothing wrong with being an ex muslim though if you don’t believe you don’t believe 🤷‍♀️ just the ones who leave and get hateful about it is what we mean

[carmine crown]

maybe, maybe not, i dont check much on this server anywasy 🤔

[shell hemlock]

Yes exactly

[carmine crown]

hihii :3

[carmine crown]

ohh yup

[urban swift]

Why wouldn't we agree? You're a good human if you do agree.
But those verses in that book are vicious.

[shell hemlock]

Okay well when you pop in once in a while yeah, but anyways

[hasty geode]

Please just answer this
Or no answer ??
i want to ask a veryy very simple quistion:
how we explain more than 1000 miracle that a man called muhammad did. and god gave him power and he defeat all his enmies and his words spred every where.
how the muslims were allways the small number in the battle but they still win.
please answar me with honest and logic dont be baised.

[high raven]

I don't blame them, it really isn't safe to be an ex-Muslim in some countries

[carmine crown]

spare me sum 🙏

[high raven]

Are you asking Muslims or who?

[shell hemlock]

I don’t share food

[urban swift]

This is my first time talking about christianity with a Christian.
Are you Protestant? Orthodox? Mormon? Catholic?

[hasty geode]

I am asking in general

[hybrid herald]

My beloved

[tiny apex]

True i agree but thats more about extremism than regular Muslims i wouldnt kill or hurt anyone because they dont believe

Or at least Muslims who don’t live in countries like Afghanistan and actually have good educational systems in place

[shell hemlock]

Same, it’s really just a matter of extremists than it is about what religion they believe in

[high raven]

I'm Orthodox, it's far more common to see Catholics spew hatred online, also none of those denominations see Mormon as actual Christians but that's another conversation

[hybrid herald]

Olly when Minecraft comes here ping me

[carmine crown]

aw man 😔

[urban swift]

Ok

[tiny apex]

Didn’t he get banned

[shell hemlock]

You can have a crumb… I guess

[hybrid herald]

Oh when

[carmine crown]

but...itsnot enuff...

[hybrid herald]

@feral river

Nope

[tiny apex]

Huh I guess not

Just got muted then

[hybrid herald]

Muted

When was that

[fresh flower]

He's muted bro

[hybrid herald]

And y i wasn't here

[tiny apex]

I’m guessing sometime yesterday?

[fresh flower]

Nobu too

[hybrid herald]

Y u didn't ping me to see that moment

[fresh flower]

Free them both

[hybrid herald]

Hell nahh

[urban swift]

So muslims believe in miracles?

[tiny apex]

Minecraft can come back he was funny keep the other in purgatory forever

[fresh flower]

I wasn't here bro

[hybrid herald]

[fresh flower]

They were both muted for the same thing though

[shell hemlock]

More than enough for a skinny legend

[hasty geode]

yea bro sure

[carmine crown]

ooh we gon have such master debate when minecrack and nobu is here

[shell hemlock]

Master huh what

[tiny apex]

Really? Well it’s interesting that didn’t happen sooner with how he talks

[tiny apex]

We’re master debaters I love master debating

[fresh flower]

Who? Minecraft has been muted and banned several times 💀

[hybrid herald]

@fresh flower

[carmine crown]

😔😔😔😔

[dry wigeon]

"The verses in that book are vicious"
Yes, and that doesn't mean a christian has to follow all the orders laid out, the Bible by definition is just a collection of books, the old testament is taught to Christians in a historical context, the New Testament is considered doctrine and the history of spreading the word post Jesus

[shell hemlock]

Nobu ? Nah

[carmine crown]

oh hell yeah let me watch

[fresh flower]

Why

[tiny apex]

I’ve not been here for that long maybe he was lol idk

[urban swift]

So, the book is not trustworthy you say ?

[shell hemlock]

Actually I’m pretty sure he got muted for disrespecting women and just being weird

[tiny apex]

You can be hateful all you want but he was just stupid and hateful not a good mix

[hybrid herald]

Ngl he is disrespecting not hating

[fresh flower]

KEN YOU TWINK WYD HERE😭😭😭

[dry wigeon]

It has less to do with Islam, it had more to do with comments about women and who should live and die

[hybrid herald]

Huh

[fresh flower]

Ok nvm don't unmute him💀

[tiny apex]

😂😂 it’s so funny because all the time he was talking about how bad Islam was for women

[shell hemlock]

Yeah that’s what ironic about it lol

[hybrid herald]

He hate everything
And everything hate him

[tiny apex]

Clearly there was just something wrong with him

[subtle geyser]

How people in serious chat feel when they're having a debate

[fresh flower]

You're so cute Kenny

[hybrid herald]

Bro thinks he's tuff

[tiny apex]

Is this twink hamilton

[shell hemlock]

Cool Cat, did you see Nobu saying Jerusalem isn’t important to Christians because Nepal is his country

[hybrid herald]

I am akenyy

[fresh flower]

I wish Ken was my e-bf, my little K-drama king

[tiny apex]

Asinine belief that’s how I know he wasn’t a Christian

No one who believes in Islam, Judaism or Christianity is saying Jerusalem is unimportant

[shell hemlock]

Exactly

[deft sedge]

[hybrid herald]

Anyways

[molten dagger]

gen z in nepal use discord to voting new leader 😹

[hybrid herald]

The fourth ur son gets ur acc lol

[molten dagger]

very creative

[fresh flower]

Plz accpt frnd request

[hybrid herald]

Im frend

[shell hemlock]

Using ChatGPT to vote for their new leader

[tiny apex]

Use an Instagram poll to vote in new pm

[molten dagger]

@shell hemlock lol

[dry wigeon]

It's not about it being trustworthy, if anything, including the old testament and the way things used to be, is proving trustworthiness, the Old and New testaments are completely different, for a reason

[dry wigeon]

Hru smiley...

[deft sedge]

@latent steppe control ur husband

[dry wigeon]

RANDY???

[deft sedge]

woa barry

[dry wigeon]

RANDY WYD HERE???

Thought he left💔💔💔

[deft sedge]

he joined again

[high raven]

It's not safe for Smiley here, this channel is not moderated

[deft sedge]

oh my

[dry wigeon]

💔💔💔

[dry wigeon]

Yes

[hybrid herald]

U got promoted to the forth or what

[tiny apex]

Freaky chat

[dry wigeon]

Miss Randy more than I miss toby ngl

[deft sedge]

shawn did u get ur bread machine

[dry wigeon]

Yes

[deft sedge]

yippie

[fresh flower]

Yes, I rank every 3-4 years

[molten dagger]

@shell hemlock is it ur pic mean " no" ?

[shell hemlock]

Yes

[molten dagger]

why? any reason you chose it?

[hybrid herald]

Nice hope u enjoy ur forth .

[deep zephyr]

Imagine holding the next election on discord

[latent steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/meatspin-discord-server-welcome-fun-gif-14902556689450679345

[uncut tiger]

Why are y'all invading serious chat 💀

Return to base (#💭｜general )

[arctic heart]

Why yall serious always

[shell hemlock]

I’m hungry

[uncut tiger]

Go back to general 😭

[fresh flower]

This is our new home

[urban swift]

New testament supporting slavery :-
Ephesians 6:5
Colossians 3:22
1 peter 2:18
Philemon 1:15–16

[solemn frost]

Ephesians 6:5 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

Slaves and Masters

<5> Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as to Christ;

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

Colossians 3:22 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<22> Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

1 Peter 2:18 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

The Example of Christ's Suffering

<18> Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but also to the overbearing.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

Philemon 15-16 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<15> Perhaps this is why he was parted from you for a while, that you might have him back for ever, <16> no longer as a slave but more than a slave, as a beloved brother, especially to me but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[fresh flower]

That's good though

Without Christianity no one would see slaves as equal humans

First one to do so was a Christian

[turbid dome]

In the British colonies in the Americas, not being Christian was used as an excuse for slavery. Once they became Christian they had to invent race science

[hybrid herald]

Fr

[hybrid herald]

Cmon let's go

[fresh flower]

They being white Americans, not necessarily actual Christians

Same way committing terrorism ≠ Muslim

Akenyy you are a terrorist though

[plain ruin]

This is the laziest collection of examples I've EVER seen.
No regard given to the entire verses before and after these...

Starting from Philemon,
This doesn't encourage slavery in any way, the author here was imprisoned alongside the slave of Philemon, reading the verses before/after the one you picked out, you'd see that the author was friends with the particular "slave" he's talking about, and asked that he be freed, and even agreed to pay for the slave's "dues" if any
This passage is about no longer treating what was once a slave, as a brother instead

[turbid dome]

It was the vast majority of Christian countries who had some form of slavery in their overseas colonies or domestically in some capacity through indentured servants.

Whereas terrorist groups represent a fringe group of Muslims, almost every Christian country had slavery

[hybrid herald]

I am a special one

[steel veldt]

We should kill the Right and Left wing because both sides have blood on there hands

[turbid dome]

Maybe you could say this about the klan, but slavery was institutional

[fresh flower]

That's just misusing the bible though and picking verses out of context to justify what you're doing, same way the crusaders used luke 19:27

[solemn frost]

Luke 19:27 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<27> But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.'"

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[fresh flower]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say "Ok Christians go ahead and enslave people"

[turbid dome]

The Bible does justify slavery though

[fresh flower]

It doesn't, it regulates it

And we should all be thankful for it tbh

[turbid dome]

Thus permitting it

[hybrid herald]

https://tenor.com/view/smadging-pepe-smadging-gif-26061387

[fresh flower]

Not for Christians it doesn't, it tells the slave masters of that time how to handle their slaves

[hybrid herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852805796789354496/1370034463672893590/image0.gif

[fresh flower]

Christians back then had 0 power, if they did it would say "No slaves kek cope", instead it undermines any reason to have slaves to begin with and if you had them, to treat them as equals

[plain ruin]

The other 3 verses are very identical in nature, the letters to the Ephesians, Colossians and 1 Peter are all of a similar nature, trying to preach Christianity to specific groups of people that had different views from Christianity

This is common throughout the New Testament, if you look at the gospels of matthew, mark, luke and john, people are quick to point out "contradictions", but fail to point out aspects such as how each gospel potrays the Romans involvement and the Jews involvement in the trial of Jesus, each one does it differently, the point being that each gospel was meant for different audiences, the ones favourable to Romans, were meant for the Romans to see, thus the same thing with the letters of Paul and Peter, they're usually writing to the "owners" of the slaves, if they just told these people to "free their slaves", they'd be instantly met with rejection

The fact is, the same author that wrote Ephesians, Colossians and Philemon, also wrote the Galatians 3:28 verse

Among these, Galatians and Colossians were already existing Christian communities, with the Galatians being much more agreeable with Paul during the writing of these letters

Hence why in the Galatians verse, he's more free to say that the concept of slavery isn't really a thing

[solemn frost]

Galatians 3:28 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<28> There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[turbid dome]

It says Christians can’t own slaves? Pretty sure it said the opposite. Whether you want to contend that slave treatment was more cruel than the Bible allowed, sure, that’s probably true. But it still regulated slavery in a way that made it permissible.

It’s a bit hard to claim that people holding slaves are fake Christians when Christianity allows slavery and they were raised Christian. And Christian’s absolutely had institutional power throughout much of the time of slavery. The pope used to be an extremely influential figure, and essentially all of Europe was Christian

[plain ruin]

The problem is that some books of the bible are NOT books
Some are letters, some are testaments, some are historical accounts, each "book" has to be viewed as a whole

[fresh flower]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Christians can have slaves, there is no verse saying that. I talked about the second point already, they had no power back then and misusing verses out of context doesn't make it theologically Christian just because the pope said so

[plain ruin]

Agreed, but then these guys were doing the same thing that @urban swift was doing, looking for specific verses to justify a pre-existing notion without regard to the context of the verse

[fresh flower]

Why did you get fired as a teacher

How tf do you get fired on discord bro 💀💀💀💀💀

[plain ruin]

time commitments weren't gonna work for me

[fresh flower]

No way they want you to follow a schedule

[plain ruin]

not a schedule per se, its more about being able to have a class for 30-60 minutes, and then preparing for it, then after class stuff, etc.

if something came up for me to do during that time, would be problematic

[fresh flower]

Wtf they want you to do all that? 💀

[shell hemlock]

I would suck as a teacher because my internet is so bad and my attention span only lasts about 20 minutes when I’m focused on something

[fresh flower]

Every time I joined one of those vc it was "How's your day going guys"

[shell hemlock]

I wouldn’t know what to teach either I’m like “okay guys so which one of you know your ABCs”

[plain ruin]

preparing would be a requirement for me personally
after class stuff, you're supposed to open a thread in https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1175013540617269248
and respond to people there

[plain ruin]

both would've been a bit of a problem to me too, ill maybe join them when im doing better

[turbid dome]

You just said there’s regulations on slavery, not abolition. Ergo, Christians can have slaves under certain conditions, such as captives of war.

Deuteronomy 21:10-14

and again, when did Christians not have power in Christian countries? Like, the populations were Christian, the rulers were Christian. You don’t think the pope has authority so who exactly do you mean by the Christians?

[solemn frost]

Deuteronomy 21:10-14 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

Female Captives

<10>" When you go forth to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hands, and you take them captive, <11> and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you have desire for her and would take her for yourself as wife, <12> then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and pare her nails. <13> And she shall put off her captive's garb, and shall remain in your house and bewail her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her, and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. <14> Then, if you have no delight in her, you shall let her go where she will; but you shall not sell her for money, you shall not treat her as a slave, since you have humiliated her.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[fresh flower]

Why would you mention Deuteronomy when all of it is directed at ancient Israel and their conduct in war, it's not for Christians

[turbid dome]

It’s the same god is it not?

[fresh flower]

How's that relevant when it doesn't tell Christians to do it

That's what we were talking about

[turbid dome]

If it’s the same god regulating slavery.

Ergo those are god’s regulations on slavery

[plain ruin]

Same god, different rules, the old testament is also entirely focused on the jews being "God's Chosen People", while the new testament says that Jesus/God is for all

[fresh flower]

Yes, for Israel, it's the Old Testament

It's like how Joe Rogan had no rules for UFC in the early days of MMA, to save the sport, and then regulated it to protect and have fairness for the fighters

Not Joe, the other bald mf

What's his name

[turbid dome]

Ok I’d be better off if you were to put this in terms of some random geopolitical conflict than MMA

[formal pilot]

i disagree

[formal pilot]

common Dina white L

[plain ruin]

• Old testament book, Christians generally don't practice everything in there, nor do they have to, these books are more for historical accounts of Moses's preaching to the Jews before his death
• There were huge differences in opinion between the average joe, the rulers of the mainland England, the perpetrators of colonialism regarding the topics, each priest would preach according to his own audience
• The Pope would come under Catholicism alone, most of the English, French, German areas, either practiced Protestantism, or had state linked Catholicism rather than completely adhering to the Pope
• Catholics view the Pope and Priests as all these things such as infallible or a representation of Jesus etc. etc. which I don't like myself, the guy is just a guy, popes have submitted to nations under pressure, I've already pointed out how appealing to people's vices was a common tactic in the new testament letters, to get someone to later change their ways

[formal pilot]

why everyone thinks he is joe rogan

[fresh flower]

He's worse than H*tler

[plain ruin]

Joe Roganing my

[fresh flower]

I hope Trump gets to be the referee during the white house event

[turbid dome]

Last three points I understand, I was just confused as to the claim that Christians held no power came from.

First one I could understand if I was less of a cynic. Thank you for the explanation though

[molten dagger]

usa not save for World cup, bann gun owners first!

[formal pilot]

they wont let any muslim fight in that card, but imagine Khamzat Chimaev screaming allahuakbar, in white house card

it would be funny

[fresh flower]

They said this shit about Qatar too and it became the most hype world cup ever

[shell hemlock]

I love Khamzat Chimaev

[fresh flower]

Bro would never be seen again😭😭😭😭

[molten dagger]

@fresh flower fr fr

[formal pilot]

"girls like terrorists"

[shell hemlock]

I also like Khabib

They are good people

[plain ruin]

Finally, the Pope didn't really have power outside of the Vatican, just wealth, but power? I don't think the pope would really be able to convince those leaders to just "give up"
Priests in England would usually be persecuted by the state if they were against slavery, especially priests that celebrate mass/preach for members of the state
And the movement for the freedom of slaves didn't just come from the slaves fighting back, it also came from mainland protests against it, this movement is often under-represented as well, because it was also mainly "evangelists and religious people"

[shell hemlock]

I really admire Khabib and the team with the respect they have for his dad bc I don’t have my dad anymore

[fresh flower]

Khamzat beat the shit out of random store employee for 0 reason while he still lived in Sweden

[formal pilot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-apSENpK-DY?

before i get banned for racism

[shell hemlock]

Did that happen ?

[plain ruin]

Can't wait to see the reactions to the US losing a game

[fresh flower]

Yes, back in 2018 or 2019, he used to live here

[shell hemlock]

Can you send me an article or smth so I can read it

[formal pilot]

yes, he used to live in sweden

[formal pilot]

there is a realy great doc you can watch, its about him

https://youtu.be/1T8ZRx5FR4I?

[misty shard]

Who even shot Charlie Kirk ?

[fresh flower]

Wait I forgot to reply to the second one, neither him nor Khabib are good people, they both suck off Kadyrov

[shell hemlock]

Hmm but the store employee threw the friend on the ground first yes ?

I’m using a translator so idk if that’s accurate

[molten dagger]

@misty shard a 22 year old young man

[misty shard]

Yep

[molten dagger]

@misty shard right wing said its jews

[fresh flower]

His friend tried to fight the employees so they took him down, bro ran over and hit one of them 😭

[shell hemlock]

Just made him more respectable tbh

[prisma cipher]

Good fighters.

[fresh flower]

Also the only reason he left Sweden is because the government would be on his ass over his ties to Ramzan Kadyrov

[plain ruin]

Depends on what right wing you're talking about, government officials or regular people

The officials say its the extremist left, the regular people say its the jews because Kirk was afraid of something happening

[urban swift]

they'd be instantly met with rejection...

Ok. So what's stopping from rewriting bible with verses like:
° Homophobia is sin.
° Slavery is a cruel practice and Everyone should be ashamed of it.

Would any group reject these verses in modern time.

Waiting for the amendments in Bible(old + new).

[fresh flower]

We should delete all records of what the Nazi's did because Nazi is bad

[plain ruin]

Nothing really, except the Bible isn't really amended because they are books/letters/accounts written by people of the past

Why would/should Christians have to misrepresent something said and done in the past?

[high raven]

Just pointing out a correction here, both homophobia and homosexual acts are considered sinful

Inb4 Leviticus

[slender coral]

Many secularists in the Muslim world think that Islam should be suppressed.

The funny thing is how Muslim fundamentalists point this out surprised by it

Like damn, how can the people we suppress want to suppress us?

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[fresh flower]

It transcends borders, even here in Sweden our government shuts down Islamic activity centers and the few schools they had because our intelligence agency warns them that those places foster extremist thoughts

[manic juniper]

Honestly any religion that isn't suppressed in some way is bound to become an annoyance, I'm not in favour of state atheism but secular liberalism has failed to deal with fundamentalism every single time

[slender coral]

They do. Those centers are the perfect places for fundamentalists and even some times, extremists.
Extremists can hide behind euphemisms in such spaces.

[fresh flower]

It’s actually crazy because some of them even teach the kids to only speak Arabic, like bro, you live in Sweden

[plain ruin]

Do you think Minecraft has seen the rabbis talking about the Chinese being idol worshippers?

[slender coral]

He said that he is Jewish himself before.

[plain ruin]

Everything makes sense now

[manic juniper]

Jokingly I guess, he wants to convert

[deep zephyr]

Same here.

This chat having the 🧠 icon seems inappropriate

We shall meet in Valhalla

Those who know

[high raven]

You're the guy I discussed Salwan Momika with if I'm not mistaken? Another Assyrian Islam critic was murdered yesterday

[manic juniper]

Did it happen in the West or the Middle East

[fresh flower]

I didn't believe that article when I read it 💀💀💀💀

[deep zephyr]

I watched the video. It was so cringe 😭

[high raven]

In front of his home in Lyon, France, while live on tiktok

[manic juniper]

And what did he do

[high raven]

There aren't any Assyrian critics of Islam in Iraq as far as I know, there would be an ethnic cleansing

[slender coral]

Where?

[deep zephyr]

Funny how MAGA Indians aren't talking about the Indian that got beheaded but going out of their way to talk about the death of racist white guy

[manic juniper]

That's one step too far in the Middle East

[high raven]

Nothing he could do, he was wheelchair bound and had special needs, they stabbed him in his carotid artery

[slender coral]

Islam disgusts me

[deep zephyr]

You should put that in your bio at this point

[slender coral]

What's his name?

[manic juniper]

F, it didn't even make the mainstream news yet and I doubt it will

[urban swift]

Amended?

I am asking to amend it.

[high raven]

Ashur Sarnaya, his content was nowhere as harsh and hateful as Salwan Momikas and yet he still received death threats

[urban swift]

Where?

[molten dagger]

who was behind kirk assassinations

[deep zephyr]

Jesus

[slender coral]

https://syriacpress.com/blog/2025/09/12/chaldean-syriac-assyrian-christian-and-islam-critic-ashur-sarnaya-brutally-murdered-on-livestream/

[plain ruin]

I said, nothing really stops them except for the fact that the bible isn't really amended at all, I didn't include the word "except" earlier, skipped out on it while typing

[molten dagger]

@deep zephyr but jesus lived 2k years ago

[high raven]

Where what exactly

[deep zephyr]

Holy ghost

[plain ruin]

Just like the other guy said #🧠｜serious-chat message

Amending or asking to amend a piece of text that is historical makes no sense

[formal pilot]

Goy or jew

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/barney-you're-a-thief-abraham-baruch-rabbi-gif-1099387418820367744

[slender coral]

Those who criticize Islam should take care of their privacy. Some go to the extent of wearing a mask or not showing their faces altogether.

[formal pilot]

That's why I'm aladdin

[molten dagger]

jews rabbi sell didld00

[high raven]

I agree, it really isn't safe if you have an audience

[formal pilot]

If you want to earn big money, go to India and criticize muslims

You might become a successful politician

[slender coral]

One needs to be careful. Keyboard Jihadists are relentless. This guy said that they copyright striked one of his videos, which isn't theirs and they don't have any right to do that. When he went through the process of appealing the strike, he almost fell for their trap. When someone copyright strike a video you posted, and you appeal it, YouTube asks you to provide your address and the other person can view it.
https://youtu.be/tZaM17ABk-s?si=07_4AqXI7CqFkxmq

[high raven]

For my next visit to India I will continue the rice-bag practice

[formal pilot]

Next visit? Have you been to india before?

Btw you'll get mob lynched for rice bag gameplay

[plain ruin]

Sorry, you're wrong
Here in India, they do it for free, and they spend their own money to do it

[glossy radish]

yall gotta take a chill pill and stop being serious life ain't that deep

[slender coral]

I read about cases on a subreddit for ex-Muslim Egyptians. They dmed girls with sexual harassment comments, and send their phone numbers to the girls.
When the girl tries to use the phone number through TrueCaller app to expose the harasser, her details get shown on the harasser side because he would've bought the prime subscription. They doxxed some people this way.

[formal pilot]

Masses might do it for free, leaders are getting paid for it

Odisha: 7 critically injured after 400 attack village church with axes https://share.google/wrevQLvVmKvc1KNre

[plain ruin]

Pretty much, the masses are the ones I referred to; as those who spend their own money

[formal pilot]

Coming from you, ironic

[glossy radish]

[formal pilot]

Do you belong to that country?

[plain ruin]

Yes, I'm part Indian, no longer an Indian citizen but I am in India for some work, to get rid of the remaining property we have here

[molten dagger]

@plain ruin so you must familiar with doo nooot redeemm carrd?

[plain ruin]

That was the Google play card, I deal more with Amazon cards

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-tails-knuckles-freaky-gif-12830799583270855342

[formal pilot]

I hope you get a good price for it, in which part of india do you have properties

[high raven]

I've heard of that method, it's just an insane thing to go to that length just because someone criticised your religion. I remember when an Islamist asked me "How would you feel if someone burned your Bible" and he was offended when I told him I wouldn't mind

[formal pilot]

I hope you aren't selling farms to get into the USA through mexico

[manic juniper]

Isn't that even good, they're unlikely to burn the Bible you subscribe to

[plain ruin]

We are getting plenty of good offers, the property has to be inherited by my dad and his brothers first, before we can do that

We have properties mostly in Goa, then some flats in Bangalore and Mumbai

[manic juniper]

Probably a King James's

[lilac iron]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-critics-choice-awards-side-eye-confused-clapping-gif-14741917063569043913

[high raven]

I have, years ago, and it was to Calcutta

[lilac iron]

Sup chat

[formal pilot]

Dyammm quite expensive regions

[plain ruin]

Have no farms, we sold whatever farmland we had before giving up citizenship, ex-indians and non indians cannot hold agricultural land

[formal pilot]

💀 well well well

[plain ruin]

Yup, all going into investments now

[high raven]

Exactly, and even if it now was the Peshitta, burning it doesn't change God's words

[high raven]

I have no criticism of it beyond the sensory overload

[lilac iron]

Wow

[formal pilot]

That's great dude, i hope you get crazy returns

[plain ruin]

I've been here for nearly 3 years in the last 4, still not used to it
Were you there during any festivals?

[formal pilot]

Yes, it looks overpopulated, with garbage everywhere

There are good neighbourhoods with near European standards

[slender coral]

Their god's feelings are fragil he gets sad 😿

Kosomhm

[formal pilot]

One must visit Kolkata during Durga Puja

[manic juniper]

Burning a Bible takes some effort, it's much bigger than your average book

[high raven]

Not even that, it was just a regular week 😭

[formal pilot]

And ik a metro station where you can find LGBT members for fun

(I'm straight)

[high raven]

I didn't mind the garbage, I've been to dirtier places with dirtier people (Egypt)

[plain ruin]

Pretty much every "tier 1" city
May buy some property in the newer cleaner cities

[compact scaffold]

Straightest thing can a discordian say

[compact scaffold]

That's a Wild take

[lilac iron]

A book with mistakes
what a book it is

[high raven]

Just my personal experience from those two countries, I ran into far worse people in Egypt than I did in India, and coincidentally also far more scammers

[compact scaffold]

Diary of a wimpy kid

[lilac iron]

No, you didn't know.

Iraqi Mathematics Book 😮

[compact scaffold]

What about it

[plain ruin]

Then you've not been through the true sensory overload😭 All I can say is, do NOT live on the ground floor during a festival
Sometimes you can be unlucky and have the public wedding processions with the drums and trumpets, then its over, your funeral procession would have Carpe saying "ts really dead"

[compact scaffold]

They should put strict laws in place for these people, they are terribly damaging the country's reputation.

[lilac iron]

And the other book

[plain ruin]

I don't know if you're talking about "Pride Metro" in Noida or the 147910247th joke about Delhi Metro

[lilac iron]

belongs to a religion

That you guys believe

[manic juniper]

Is it the Kalevala

[formal pilot]

Delhi ain't liberal like Kolkata, I was talking about Kolkata metro station

[plain ruin]

Oh wow, no idea, but I will be both going there and using it in a couple days😭

[formal pilot]

Fair enough

[formal pilot]

Btw delhi metro has best advertisements

[plain ruin]

I'll let you know if there's anyone that's better than the Irani tomboy 💯

[plain ruin]

Ain't no way😭😭😭😭

[formal pilot]

Waaat

[formal pilot]

I've got one more

[compact scaffold]

Pro cook

[compact scaffold]

Yooooooo

[formal pilot]

For poor countries with no metro, these seats are reserved for old aged people

Or woman

[plain ruin]

Are the arrows pointing to specialised arrangements or something? They almost look stuck on😭

[compact scaffold]

Or physically challenged

[plain ruin]

Ah, got it

[formal pilot]

I don't like veggies

[manic juniper]

A comb with "harja" written on it which means "comb" in Finnish, isn't that curious

[formal pilot]

How often do you do drugs

[manic juniper]

16 seconds

[formal pilot]

Too long

@high raven I bet you haven't seen these parts of my kolkata

This whole street is black and white

[uncut tiger]

The green door ruined the vibe

[compact scaffold]

Fr

[uncut tiger]

cant say the same about the people in the street tho

[formal pilot]

You can find some white folks roaming around

You can also find jews and synagogues

[fresh flower]

What's the point in condom ads in India 💀

[latent steppe]

hi sir where from sir

[formal pilot]

Situation can be even worse

[fresh flower]

Myself from Lucknow UP, tu kya bhai?

[slender coral]

The first thought that came to my mind was the Quran but ok

[lilac iron]

Oh, I'm sure you mean the Bible

[slender coral]

Didn't read the Bible

[formal pilot]

How about Saddam Hossain

[formal pilot]

Loser

One must read the Bible

[slender coral]

[fresh flower]

Rip Saddam Hussein

He had the Muslims in Iraq under control

[slender coral]

I tried to before, but it's very boring.

[fresh flower]

Look at them now

[manic juniper]

Did Saddam Hussein read the Bible

[lilac iron]

I've read it I can point out many mistakes

[slender coral]

Cool

[lilac iron]

Soo cool

[manic juniper]

Bro is a bit late

[formal pilot]

Start with Deuteronomy, it's not that boring

[slender coral]

K

[lilac iron]

Christian I think is like Fight Club They believe in a God in three persons 😭 bruhh

[latent steppe]

sir i thought u are white i dont want to talk to u any more u are not from agartha

[uncut tiger]

[lilac iron]

anyway

[uncut tiger]

Olllie is such a smooth catfish

[fresh flower]

Nooooooo Israeli woman plz marry me

[thorny steeple]

According to what he did
Info say that he read "Mein Kampf"

[slender coral]

I saw a Sunni Syrian calling a Shi'i shiekh in a livestream. The Sunni said "Sadamu alaykum(may Sadam be upon you)", the Shi'i replied "wa alayk al Bashar (Bashar be upon you too)"

[fresh flower]

Ong bro

[manic juniper]

Did he review it

[fresh flower]

Ngl both Bashar and Saddam were great for their respective countries

[formal pilot]

Deuteronomy 22:20–21

[solemn frost]

Deuteronomy 22:20-21 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<20> But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, <21> then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has wrought folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; so you shall purge the evil from the midst of you.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[manic juniper]

They both hated Kurds, that's seen as objectively good in the Middle East

[lilac iron]

what is your religion guyss
✝️🕉☪️...

[plain ruin]

Could've been 3 billion, with the way university students in India go about their days

[slender coral]

L take.
Do you not realize that their authoritarianism and stupidity is what actually led to their countries downfall?

[fresh flower]

Larger Muslim countries don't do well without an absolute central power or straight up dictatorship

[formal pilot]

I worship Mexican lesbian lizards

[uncut tiger]

Leviticus 18:22

[solemn frost]

Leviticus 18:22 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<22> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[lilac iron]

I see

[fresh flower]

Saddam would never fall without the US involvement, neither would Gaddafi or Bashar

[fresh flower]

Dibs

[slender coral]

I'm non-religious. I'm guessing you are a Muslim, right?

[uncut tiger]

Leviticus 18:22

[solemn frost]

Leviticus 18:22 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<22> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[plain ruin]

@fresh flower you're not in the gambling server #1415706679521054840 ???

[uncut tiger]

@fresh flower

Leviticus 18:23

[solemn frost]

Leviticus 18:23 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<23> And you shall not lie with any beast and defile yourself with it, neither shall any woman give herself to a beast to lie with it: it is perversion.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[slender coral]

Asexual verse?

[lilac iron]

Maybe

[formal pilot]

Beats?

[manic juniper]

Only lie to women to further your goals

[formal pilot]

Emma Watson would be sad

[plain ruin]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[slender coral]

Still haven't decided?

[formal pilot]

Lying is haram

[uncut tiger]

dm me for charlie kirk death video high quality HD no cuts full audio

[fresh flower]

He is a Muslim

[formal pilot]

I have a better angle

[fresh flower]

He was asking the same illiterate question earlier "How do you believe in 3 Gods"

[uncut tiger]

how much

[formal pilot]

And apparently isfrun is quite positive about his death

[manic juniper]

What about being Shia

[uncut tiger]

we all do not advocate for charlie kirks death but charlie kirk advocated for charlie kirks death

[formal pilot]

It's justifiable as long as you're Persian

[fresh flower]

Rip Charlie Kirk free minecraft free nobu

[formal pilot]

Best one

[manic juniper]

I think it was a waste to kill him instead of a sacrifice to the gods of blacksmithing and war

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-muslim-rant-wallahi-mad-gif-17069111

[uncut tiger]

bro finally has his 2nd amendment rights

[manic juniper]

Human lives have intrinsic value, killing them without a ritual is nothing but a waste

[fresh flower]

Wait bro you'd know

[uncut tiger]

bro said 'import the thirld world, become the thirld world'

[fresh flower]

What's that thing called that Shia do, it's like a temporary marriage to justify having premarital sex

[formal pilot]

His murder catalysed more radical views among republicans

[manic juniper]

Nikah mutah

[slender coral]

Mutah marriage

[fresh flower]

Why do you know

[manic juniper]

It will last for three weeks at best

[fresh flower]

Isfrun is Shia?

[manic juniper]

Nobu enjoyed talking about it

[formal pilot]

Yes

[slender coral]

Mutah means enjoyment I think, so it's basically enjoyment marriage

[manic juniper]

What's the point of being a Muslim if you're not Shia

[uncut tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1330049673192275978.gif

[manic juniper]

This is like being a Jew without the Jew part

[uncut tiger]

[formal pilot]

I'm the jew in jewelery

[fresh flower]

When me and my bro @latent steppe become Shia we will move to Afghanistan and partake in Bacha Bazi

[formal pilot]

That's offensive to me

[uncut tiger]

🏳️‍🌈

[slender coral]

You know what is so fucking ironic about this? Sunnis often make fun of Shias for this, and call them the sons of nikah al-mutah. At the same time even Sunnis believe it was permissible at some point during Mohamed's life

[manic juniper]

🇹🇯 free Kurdistan

[formal pilot]

Also Balochistan

[uncut tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/balochistan-azad-balochistan-free-balochistan-india-india-love-balochistan-gif-25436229

[fresh flower]

Wait what??? Idk about the second part

[uncut tiger]

ollie do u understand this gif

[lilac iron]

A year ago I made the decision that I thought this was the right religion

[manic juniper]

Lol if you read Pinocchio in the original language he goes to Balochistan

I'm not making this up

[uncut tiger]

must be iranian baluchestan

[lilac iron]

* ty

Tysm

[lilac iron]

[uncut tiger]

🇹🇯

wait thats not even kurdistan

[formal pilot]

Something a true revolutionary would do

[formal pilot]

Grape education system

[lilac iron]

https://tenor.com/view/la-los-angeles-california-hate-respect-gif-17628174

[manic juniper]

It's insane to me that Tajikistan exists but Kurdistan doesn't

[uncut tiger]

now i can safely use this in front of kurds

[lilac iron]

Turkish 😑

[uncut tiger]

i can ragebait by using the tajik flag

[slender coral]

It was only prohibited during the battle of Khaibar from my understanding, so for years before that it was permitted.

Ali (Allah be pleased with him) heard that Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) gave some relaxation in connection with the contracting of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Don't be hasty (in your religious verdict), Ibn 'Abbas, for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) on the Day of Khaibar prohibited that forever - along with the eating of flesh of domestic asses.

— Sahih Muslim 1407

[manic juniper]

Wait, what changed about donkeys that made them forbidden

[fresh flower]

Idk if they're talking about donkeys

[fresh flower]

This makes no sense though, if they make fun of Shia for doing it, why did yall do it too💀

[manic juniper]

They used to

[formal pilot]

Well what if... Nvm

Leave the asses alone

[manic juniper]

It's the same logic they used in one of the first debates I had on this stupid channel

They made fun of people who don't wash their ass but they also bragged that they only learned it through religion