🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

This is the reason that I learn english, it's to read those pearls

[manic juniper]

I'm checking out if there is a way to share it without age verification

[frank flame]

Do you have any news in English about it? It's in Arabic so I don't understand

[slender coral]

What's written doesn't matter much. It just says "a yemeni man kills his sister in a live stream".
I'll try to find an English source though.

[coral belfry]

what the hell

[limber dagger]

@magic olive

[thorny steeple]

It's easy, you only need a shotgun and some ammunition

Or you can be a activist, do speeches and convince nations and diplomats to follow your idea to finish all terrorist

[thorny steeple]

This is a little hard but works I guess

[feral river]

nah I hold stocks of the company that produces ammunition and bombs

they use my money to increase liquidlity to get higher productivity which is producing more bombs

and I receive the dividends

[thorny steeple]

☠️

This is the spirit of capitalism

[feral river]

and it's been so nice to feel that I hold a stock of a company that produce bomb to kill all terrorists

[thorny steeple]

USA is pride of you

[slender coral]

China still claims it's a communist country

I usually come here to shit on Islam but this Chinese fella is convincing me to shit on China rather than Islam.

[limber dagger]

@magic olive

[feral river]

oh I actually had the benefit of the tax cut treaty between PRC and United States of America which allows me to pay only 10% dividend taxes to IRS rather than 30% as they were required on other countries without tax cut treaty

[thorny steeple]

It's like "I pretend that I'm communist and you pretend that believe in that" 🤝

[slender coral]

Lol

[feral river]

as a Chinese citizen I hold that right to benefit from what it was created between my country and the United States of America

[slender coral]

Sure thing, bootlicker.

[thorny steeple]

Are you male of female?

[feral river]

even Americans except if they had a IRA which enjoys full tax cut, they would pay 30% in dividend taxes

and I only have to pay 10%

🤣

[slender coral]

Male of female

[limber dagger]

female

[thorny steeple]

If the Minecraft_652 is a girl or a boy, because you can't know if it's a boy that likes pink and things soft

[slender coral]

Doesn't matter. He/she/it isn't smart anyway.

[coral belfry]

wha

[thorny steeple]

Well, in matter of capitalism she or he gain 10/10

[slender coral]

Or it

[thorny steeple]

No offense but I kinda feel like I had a stroke reading that
Sorry if you are new

It's me

Ig

[limber dagger]

This is not from Islam, it is traditions.

[thorny steeple]

I'm native language is romance, so maybe my construction phrases are confuse

[thorny steeple]

Oh ya that makes sense

[slender coral]

Traditions that were pretty much shaped by Islam. Islam greatly weakend the role of women in Muslim societies, so you have stuff like this in almost every country in the Muslim world. Honor culture is often a part of Muslim cultures.

And it's so extreme. I never heard of non-Muslims who would kill women over such trivial matters.

[coral belfry]

the culture of "honor" is pre islamic

[limber dagger]

Did you find that in Algeria, Morocco, Malaysia or Iran?

[thorny steeple]

Kinda offence
But men will kill women for no fucking reason other than existing. And name it religion

[thorny steeple]

I don't like this type of culture because it's broke the "Free will" gave by God for all people

[thorny steeple]

There are alot of religions that put all there honor on women's bodies

[coral belfry]

killing people "for any non-major reason" is haram and you will get a death sentence if we use Islamic sharia laws

[thorny steeple]

I'm not just talking about islam dude ...

[coral belfry]

oh ok

[thorny steeple]

People especially men will be shity regardless of religion

[slender coral]

Yeah, but while it's dying in most places it's still clinging onto life in the Muslim world.

[feral river]

I don't give a fuck

I don't think I have to shit a thing that is going to die in few decades

[thorny steeple]

I guess it's will be like centuries

[slender coral]

This isn't true. Under Sharia law you only get executed for killing if the male family members of the dead demanded that. And in case of honor killing, death as a punishment can often be avoided because fathers of the girls wouldn't sacrifice their sons for girls.

[coral belfry]

clinging on with sociopaths and honor maniacs

[thorny steeple]

Because it's not easy to finish a fundamentalist culture

[thorny steeple]

But it's gonna do alot of damage

[thorny steeple]

You wouldn't believe how terrifying it is for a woman living in a place like that . Anything that the man doesn't like may get her killed.

[thorny steeple]

This not makes sense for me

[thorny steeple]

That's true

[feral river]

nah believe me when our technology advancement could trigger another industrial revolution, it's the time such ideology would die very swiftly

[thorny steeple]

Also quite common and swept under the rug it is

[feral river]

that could be in few decades

if they refuse to change they will be changed by natural selection

[thorny steeple]

But those countries lives likes medieval times

[coral belfry]

yeah it is like hell for her

[thorny steeple]

It could actually happen but the damage done before that would be bad

[feral river]

that's why we need to wake them up 🇺🇸 🇮🇱

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I got it, it's called "DEMOCRACY"

Like petrol

[thorny steeple]

Then they will be out perform and die out

[thorny steeple]

It's the best system of government we have till date

Tryna be edge lord

[slender coral]

I'm pretty sure Iran's penal code is lenient with honor killings very often, Idk about the rest though.

[slender coral]

I don't care whether you give a fuck or not

[limber dagger]

China killed 250m baby girl

[slender coral]

I know China sucks balls but how is this relevant? 😅

[thorny steeple]

Nobody is saying that's good, but the point is systemic oppression of women

[feral river]

I never care if you have to

[coral belfry]

no they do not live like it is the medieval times
they did a lot of development in the 20th century
but dew to the lawlessness in recent years because of the civil war
killing became more common

[limber dagger]

The problem is not Islam or communism, the problem is extremism. To this day, women and men are not equal in America.

[thorny steeple]

Those countries are in war, if it's not medieval times, I don't know what's that

[slender coral]

Idk how bad the situation is in America, but it certainly doesn't reach the quarter of how bad it is in the average Muslim country.

[limber dagger]

You don't know

[slender coral]

There's a reason why some women literally escape from here to there risking it all.

[thorny steeple]

I'm talking about like iemen, Afghanistan etc

[slender coral]

Like the Saudi woman Rahaf al-Qanun a couple of years ago

[limber dagger]

The reason for the backwardness of these countries is American intervention.

[thorny steeple]

You have a point

[limber dagger]

Iraq was one of the major manufacturers and one of the few to manufacture space rockets.

[coral belfry]

how is that medieval

[thorny steeple]

Why the middle east has so much conflite, why do they do like the Qatar?, Qatar looks cool

[limber dagger]

The reason is external interference.

[thorny steeple]

Because you have no one acess to modern simple things and you have a lot of laws that looks like that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380156547262451753/1414210420457078814/image0.gif

[thorny steeple]

Well, I know that I don't know, so I have a certainty, I shouldn't go to middle east and north african

[slender coral]

They often have access to the internet bro it's not like they are completely out of touch. The thing they really have little to no access to is good education and an environment with enough free speech that can make criticizing bad ideas not so difficult.

[thorny steeple]

Or a country that's not first world because it's can be danger

no only middle east

[thorny steeple]

Education is more important than internet, How do you will read if you can't learn to read because you're a woman?

[limber dagger]

Since the establishment of Israel by Britain, the region has experienced many wars after a long period of stability.

[coral belfry]

when things stabilize and there is a central government , laws will come
but now they got a civil war with its lawlessness
that is not medieval that is the nature of civil wars , in all civil wars
also outlaws were common in post American civil war "dixie"

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/اوباما-المصري-dark-room-gif-14648264

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/islam-astaghfirullah-haram-gif-22586634

[thorny steeple]

In Latin American we have a problem called "America" too

in Cold war our countries had dictatorships because of USA

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/smadging-speech-bubble-speech-bubble-smadging-gif-26061412

[thorny steeple]

And those dictatorships was very bad until today

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[limber dagger]

As an Arab, I regret to see Western countries supporting our ignorance through trivialities such as football and others, and preventing Arab development through military strikes on schools, universities, research centers, and factories. You have the Sakhr company that used to compete with Windows, then Microsoft destroyed it.

[coral belfry]

yeah i know about that
i was talking about the (US) civil war and how the post civil war dixie had an outlaw problem due to the lawlessness

[thorny steeple]

I always thought strange the big techs from USA be very big, We have windows, linux and macOS

those are american, but linux is opensource

but it's still american, because Russia lost acess to the original linux, now they need use a folk of the original linux

folk is when you take the original project and up it in our own server, but prohibit it another country to a open source software because of politic, it's broke the "Open source"

I will use Linux, I don't like microsoft

A lot of countries doesn't have own bussines of software because of this

[limber dagger]

Abdul Razzaq Abdul Wahid, "O Patience of Job"
(From our popular tales, an awl was forgotten under the load on a camel's back...)
They said, "He continued... and the camels did not notice him..."
He walked, his driver urging him on... and he endured...
And the awl of death was plucked out of his sides...
Until he knelt at the door of the house when they arrived...
And when they saw the flood of blood, they were startled...
The patience of Iraq... You are patient, O camel!
And the patience of all Iraqis, O camel!
The patience of Iraq, and within its sides, is an awl.
It sinks until the pericardium is healed.
What they destroyed...what they provoked of its oysters.
What crimes they committed...what they annihilated in it...what they killed.

[elder hearth]

Tell

[manic juniper]

Linux isn't American, it's Finnish

[manic juniper]

Russia? What

[thorny steeple]

Yes, but the headquarters is in the USA

[manic juniper]

Linux has headquarters?

[feral river]

US W again

[manic juniper]

Can I speak to the CEO of Linux

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-among-us-new-tab-linux-users-trolling-gif-23176956

[thorny steeple]

Yes, the Linux foundation

[thorny steeple]

You can speak with the CEO of the Linux foundation

[manic juniper]

The copyright is held by Linus Torvalds, he isn't part of the Linux Foundation

That's just a non-profit

[thorny steeple]

But the project of him is support by that

[manic juniper]

Linux users when they have to watch a film on their date

[thorny steeple]

Without that it's would be more hard

[manic juniper]

Receiving donations doesn't make them the owners

[manic juniper]

He did it without donations from them

[thorny steeple]

Yes, but it's a big influence

[manic juniper]

How

[thorny steeple]

He started the project but without support it's still would be little

[manic juniper]

The guy has a net worth of over 50 millions dollars

[thorny steeple]

A lot of big techs supporting this to development

[manic juniper]

I'm sure that he doesn't need donations, especially when the Linux Foundation spends less than 3% on actual open source projects and spends mostly on crap

[thorny steeple]

But a software likes Linux need like billions of investment

[manic juniper]

Why

[thorny steeple]

Because a software like linux that works well like a windows is very hard to make

IBM invest 1 billion on linux

[manic juniper]

Keyword: make
He made it when the foundation didn't exist

[manic juniper]

On Linux (aka the owner Torvalds) or the foundation?

[thorny steeple]

Buying bussines like red hat

[manic juniper]

Which has nothing to do with the "owner" of Linux I guess

[feral river]

since when CLI means cool lil interface

[thorny steeple]

Well I don't care for USA and others thing, I will do another thing that I gain more that discuss about middle east and war

[feral river]

there's no doubt we will win the war

🇺🇸 🇮🇱

[thorny steeple]

the BRICS

[feral river]

the BRICS doesn't give a fuck to what have happened in the middle east

btw BRICS was an economic cooperation organization

it's not NATO

[thorny steeple]

the BRICS can help the south global against the north global influence

[feral river]

global south doesn't include terrorists around the region

[thorny steeple]

But economy influence this

[prisma cipher]

It was normal aven 15 years ago. A heard nowadays it way better. Just lil bit different from windows. Back then it was problem to find drivers for all your pc stuff

[feral river]

yeah but just by economy factors we can't kill terrorism, by force we can do that

[prisma cipher]

I used Ubuntu back then, it was user friendly

[thorny steeple]

Shhh you will pay with brics money later

[prisma cipher]

Today I use just windows

[thorny steeple]

I'm just kidding

[feral river]

sure we give more debt trap then we take their port and asset finally

probably in the future we can just take over one country

using debt trap to plant more military bases and use military bases to overthrow the local government

then declare themselves be part of us

[thorny steeple]

But the brics money don't will be china, the others country in BRICS isn't only china influence

[feral river]

ahhh I love that typical Soviet way of expansion

[thorny steeple]

It's china, not soviet

and it's only works on africa and very poor countries

[feral river]

I know I just love one of the greatest country in history Soviet Union

[thorny steeple]

BRICS is bilateral bussines, It`s wrong who thinks thats only for china influence

[slender coral]

There's Linux Mint, very smooth. I tried it as a virtual machine and I'd have it as my main OS one day.

[limber dagger]

Nah

You will change it after a week

[manic juniper]

Omg that's the one I use

[slender coral]

Why?

[slender coral]

You play video games on it?

[limber dagger]

U will know

[manic juniper]

Yes but it's mostly emulation so it's supported anyway

Emulation and modding tools

[maiden chasm]

What's up everyone

[limber dagger]

How old are you

@tender vessel you have Year for writing

[prisma cipher]

Buy anbernic for portable retro games playing.

[limber dagger]

It is difficult to be a middle ground between Salafists and feminists.

[slender coral]

Difficult in what sense? That both sides criticize you?

[slender coral]

Hey

[maiden chasm]

Wass good?

[limber dagger]

They both claim to listen to the other side, but the truth is different. They both use the straw man paradox and give us a false image of the other.

[thorny steeple]

But some reason my PC power off when I bump on the table

Does anyone knows the reason?

It's a desktop

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-confusion-gif-10824788

[tender vessel]

I'm not sure what's the point of disagreement since you seem to be restating my points in different words. However, constants are not inherently inexplicable, they simply represent natural properties.

As for the Ideal Gas equation, the state does change when increasing any variable. All the variables in the equation are related. V is proportional to the inverse of P for instance, that means one increases the other will have to decrease.

[limber dagger]

There is an electrical short.

[thorny steeple]

It's strange, because I clean it and don't move it

I will disassemble it and see what's happening

[tender vessel]

Derek is discussing physics, so I have to think and revisit things before making my statements to avoid making errors.

[limber dagger]

Ok

[limber dagger]

Elctroboom

[slender coral]

Everyone does that brother. There's no ideological group that doesn't have people who use fallacious reasoning.

[limber dagger]

So why bother with societies that contain many people and ideas?

[slender coral]

And every group presents the worst image about the others to feel superior, it's a human tendency and honestly I do this mistake sometimes.

[slender coral]

Every society has many different people and many ideas. It's actually good to have one that's open-minded politically and religiously or you would end up with something like China and people like the Chinese dude here

[limber dagger]

He was closed then opened then became extremist

[formal pilot]

May all folk of divers faiths take grievous offence!

I treat every faith equally, unlike Devil

[limber dagger]

Non-religious

[slender coral]

Problem is, it often go beyond personal devotion and some start forcing people to follow or abide by their religions.

Not sometimes actually that happens quite often

[tender vessel]

I don't get it.

[limber dagger]

لا اكراه في الدين

[feral river]

say that to my QBZ-191 with 5.8×42mm DBP191

I will see if Jesus or Allah exists under the 7.62mm

[feral river]

or the F-35

[limber dagger]

@magic olive

[tender vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-and-gif-2548721859697153318

[formal pilot]

That doesn't necessarily make every person of that religion a bad person, I've met Muslims and Christians here whose kindness and integrity are so inspiring, I genuinely hope they never lose their faith. And then there are others whose behavior is so troubling that I find myself wishing I could shake them out of their beliefs entirely, drag them into forced atheism

[limber dagger]

There is no place for extremism here. Islamic or atheist, it doesn't matter.

[feral river]

I'm just talking a simple truth

whether you are going to accept or not, none of my fucking business

[limber dagger]

Trush

[feral river]

even your Islamic dream need AK produced in Russian factories

Lord

[limber dagger]

@magic olive

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

[thorny steeple]

It also works the other way around, for example the persecution of Christians in China

[feral river]

we never prosecute any Christians in China

[cursive bobcat]

@feral river criticism or discussion of religion is allowed when it’s respectful and non-targeted.

[thorny steeple]

Now you will forget that you're gay

[feral river]

I had a Christian friend even

[magic olive]

@feral river don’t let the team remind you twice about this.

[tender vessel]

And Uyghurs (Chinese Muslims).

[formal pilot]

||Tap to instantly forget you were geh||

[slender coral]

I met people like that too, but my experiences with most Muslims were just terrible. Islamic fundamentalism is very common and normal in the Muslim world.

[thorny steeple]

Maybe in your area not

[thorny steeple]

Motherf...

[feral river]

I'm talking with my faith don't worry about this point, it's just criticism

I know rules pretty well

[limber dagger]

I fell for the straw man fallacy again.

[tender vessel]

Islamic fundamentalism is good.

[slender coral]

Nah bro, I live in Egypt, have been to Saudi Arabia and have consumed much Arabic and Islamic media. I know what I'm saying.

[formal pilot]

Do you think being poor and less educated is also a contributing factor to become more radical?

[slender coral]

@limber dagger@formal pilotwe have a sample here.

[feral river]

not bad if they stay like that

[limber dagger]

I live in Algeria too

[slender coral]

Sure thing. But the texts themselves are also very encouraging.

[feral river]

they could enjoy their islamic kingdom back to where they are as we deport them because they violate the law of disrupting the social order or committing treason against the state

[slender coral]

Many radicals weren't poor nor ineducated

[feral river]

it's very clear in the law

[slender coral]

Osama (lulu) wasn't poor and wasn't uneducated.

[limber dagger]

@magic olive

[formal pilot]

Do you have any data on what percentage of muslims are radical? Or it's all Anecdotal evidence

[tender vessel]

You want to impose your liberal ideologies on us and then complain about freedom of thoughts. Lol

[feral river]

that happens in our country not very frequent but we made a good example

[formal pilot]

Because based on my personal experience the majority of my muslim friends aren't radical

[feral river]

we will show you how we are going to deal with people who would violate the law

[slender coral]

Impose what exactly? Where did I call to impose anything on you?

[limber dagger]

It's correct

[formal pilot]

During CCP world domination I'll make you atheist

[feral river]

unnecessary

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-thumbs-up-group-thumbs-up-circle-okay-gif-4307739110186058516

[limber dagger]

Arab atheists are as extremist as terrorist organizations.

[slender coral]

@limber dagger
See these polls. There are strong tendencies to fundamentalism if not the majority in some places. And let me tell you, after the recent events in Palestine these views were naturally amplified.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

[formal pilot]

Not necessarily

[slender coral]

HUH?

[feral river]

why would we teach a bunch of losers how to rule the world

unnecessary

[slender coral]

How? You guys are the ones who have groups like ISIS and Taliban lol

[limber dagger]

Ik i mean most

[feral river]

@magic olive

[thorny steeple]

And also one of hijackers in 2001 ,he wasn't poor, he was well knowledgeable with Quran.So why did he do it, he believed he was doing it in the name of Allah

[slender coral]

What was his name? I didn't know about this.

[thorny steeple]

You don't know about the attack on WTC?Or don't you just associate

[limber dagger]

The atheist Mao exterminated 60 million people, and Stalin and the Khmer Rouge also exterminated religious people. Extremism in everything.

[dapper laurel]

In most cases they are the calmest people

[tender vessel]

The mere fact you want to rid society of Islamic fundamentalism is akin to imposing liberal ideologies.

[slender coral]

I know, but I don't know about the hijacker who is knowledgeable about the Quran.

[turbid dome]

He was helping his families business make money, his family was hanging out with Former CIA Director, President, and father of the current president at the time in NYC.

The bin Laden group stood to profit and helped the bush family profit off of arms sales

[thorny steeple]

but he was very religious, so he must have known the Quran well and knew that his religion allowed him to do so

[turbid dome]

Maybe he was, maybe he was just using it as an excuse for money, I’m not sure

[slender coral]

Those are political extremists not atheistic ones, atheism isn't a religion nor a political ideology, it's the mere lack of belief in god and you stop there. The thing that parallel it isn't Islam or Christianity or religion as a whole, it's the belief in god. You can be an atheist who isn't an anti-theist, and you can be a deist who is anti-theist like me at some point in my life.

[limber dagger]

R u Arabic

[thorny steeple]

Keep it down a notch with this type of comments

[dapper laurel]

No

[limber dagger]

Lol hhhh

[slender coral]

Rid it of Islamic fundamentalism through dialogue not violent suppression like what you guys do against others.

[turbid dome]

Also just a subtle shift, they claimed Arab atheists when they didn’t list a single Arab extremist group

Not to say atheists can’t be extremists

[slender coral]

[turbid dome]

It is a funny shift

[slender coral]

@limber dagger

[dapper laurel]

To be liberal you just have to be educated, not forced

[slender coral]

Yeah

[limber dagger]

Know the Khmer Rouge

[turbid dome]

Plenty of uneducated liberals too, it’s part environmental

[turbid dome]

Are Cambodians Arab?

[dapper laurel]

Wanting ancapistan is human nature, people just don't know they want it

[slender coral]

This isn't Arab. You said Arab atheists are as extremist as terrorists.

[tiny apex]

What’s going on here

[limber dagger]

No

[tiny apex]

Are we still talking about extremism

[slender coral]

A very long discussion don't bother or you would read a lot of messages 😅

[dapper laurel]

Uneducated liberal people follow the tendencies of educated liberals

[formal pilot]

Seems like not everyone wants it

[tiny apex]

All right 😭😭 seems like you all have it handled

[formal pilot]

Anyway, Sharia is based on stupidity (most of the times)

[thorny steeple]

His name begins with M letter and ends with d.He was from Egypt

[turbid dome]

All of the time

[slender coral]

Still big percentages and very problemetic. Those may not be the majority sometimes, but in real life they easily can be your parents, siblings, uncles, etc..

[slender coral]

Share any sources you have on this please.

[thorny steeple]

wassup

[thorny steeple]

What do you mean? You don't believe that it has happened

[limber dagger]

A conflict between liberals who say we must get rid of Muslim fundamentalists through education and say that Islam alone incites extremism, and Islamists who say that extremism exists everywhere and is not linked to any religion or ideology.

[formal pilot]

Yes I do agree the percentage of radical muslims seems to be greater than any other religion

[tiny apex]

Religion should not ever lead a country ever, whether it be Islamic law or combining church with state

[turbid dome]

To be clear I’m not a liberal or think that Islam alone incites extremism

[slender coral]

No bro, I just want sources about the person who is knowledgeable about the Quran to, yknow, not just believe everything I hear.

[formal pilot]

I mean, I can accept stoning a rapist to death

[limber dagger]

You are respectable

[feral river]

why would someone wanted to be lead by a stupid backward ideology that sends the country into empty ground and sends the people into deep poverty and dead struggle for nothing ?

the last example was ISIS and you see how they were ended up

[slender coral]

Islam alone doesn't incite extremism for sure, but I'm saying that it has a big role in it.

[formal pilot]

Yes, religion should not interfere with administrative work, it's not optimal enough

[turbid dome]

I’m fine with prison, but even then that’s based in “god says so” so still dumb imo

[feral river]

no I think it's very necessary for people who live in Islamic nations to enjoy their Islamic administration

it's a two win for the world and their own people

[tiny apex]

I’m a Muslim and let me say education is incredibly important and it should be separated from religion entirely (secular education) I mean we see this with Mormons who have education and their belief mixed together and how well are they doing you know

[manic juniper]

The most insane quote was dropped here today

[formal pilot]

Yes, the origin of those punishments can be problematic, but i can still get behind it

[turbid dome]

What

[tiny apex]

This is why people need to view things through the eyes of logic and not religion alone

[manic juniper]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[feral river]

well nah I don't think it's nice to separate it, they just can learn everything from their religion rather than other stuff

[limber dagger]

Eliminating Islamic thought is not secularism. I am with it.

[feral river]

for science, technology, math or other things all unnecessary even the scripe they don't have to know

[turbid dome]

Absolute banger

[manic juniper]

I'm sorry Arab atheists, no asylum rights in Europe for you guys either

[formal pilot]

Without islamic administration, Muslim majority countries will start to thrive

[feral river]

all they have to do is recite their holy book over and over again

[tiny apex]

This is crazy 😭😭

[feral river]

and they will become the greatest people in the world

[tiny apex]

People who mass murder and create havoc are worse than those who just don’t believe in Islam?

Where did that even come from

[uncut tiger]

I need asylum

pls give me asylum UK

my dad is threatening to kill me because im gay 💀

[formal pilot]

Send this in feminism VC

[feral river]

are you a gay ?

[manic juniper]

Are you Arab?

1. Yes
2. No
   The result will be the opposite of your answer

[tiny apex]

I’ve always wanted to know Minecraft are you religious at all

[feral river]

holy crap that was insane

[turbid dome]

I’ll be stopping by the UK in a bit, I’ll let them know to let you in

[feral river]

may other people give you better answer

[severe burrow]

@fiery pulsar how do I know wife beating is wrong? Morality based question

[limber dagger]

You didn't understand me. They have a problem with Islam as a whole.

[turbid dome]

Wrong.

Are you brown?

Result opposite of answer

[uncut tiger]

NO IM JOKING 🙏 😭

[manic juniper]

Not in UK, that only depends on coming from the canal vs anywhere else

[feral river]

I'm religiously fluid

[turbid dome]

Yeah don’t worry Islam isn’t particularly special to me, I have an issue with religion as a whole

[formal pilot]

Trust me diaz will say he ain't brown brown, he's fair skinned brown

[manic juniper]

But now we add the Arab rule as well

[turbid dome]

Maybe

[uncut tiger]

💀

[uncut tiger]

bish havent u seen me

[tiny apex]

There are so many people who have problems with Islam though, I’ve met very hateful people both in real life and online and you just have to leave that be 🤷‍♀️ but you shouldn’t single out atheists why not Christian Jews or anyone else why atheists specifically?

[fiery pulsar]

I guess I'm still living in your head rent free huh.

[uncut tiger]

[formal pilot]

You're brown brown

[uncut tiger]

FEK YOU

[feral river]

can I say I have an issue with all religious people as a whole ? 💀

no I don't have that actually there are nice religions exist

[turbid dome]

💀

[severe burrow]

Tryna mute while can't answer 😶‍🌫️

[feral river]

but it's more nicer without this piece of crap

[turbid dome]

I mean you can say that, I don’t have a problem with most religious people though.

[tiny apex]

It’s odd to ask if wife beating is moral

[limber dagger]

Right, but I cannot respond to an atheist without criticizing his ideas.

[formal pilot]

Being Atheist is stupid

[uncut tiger]

how about i send this in the flat earth one 💀

[severe burrow]

Athiests would say they don't know

[fiery pulsar]

go complain in a report

[tiny apex]

This is kind of valid I think the world would be a lot more peaceful without religion

[feral river]

Religion is people's opium

[limber dagger]

All right

[uncut tiger]

when did you become a daughter

[severe burrow]

why would I

[uncut tiger]

werent u a mommy

[turbid dome]

Yup, now just look up the health issues with opium

[fiery pulsar]

because my mother is @thorny steeple

[fiery pulsar]

no that's another person

[feral river]

religion is just another ideology that tell people the lies with a great struggle for the authority to rule people easier by setting terms of practice

[tiny apex]

You’re free to do that of course but they aren’t on the level of suicide bombers or mass murders who are hurting our image as Muslims and tarnishing Islam

[uncut tiger]

oh i though u were the same lol

[feral river]

they don't need to prove anything but recruit believers

[fiery pulsar]

lmao no

[formal pilot]

Search my name with "Jesus said flat earthers"

And that's how I got muted from that channel

[feral river]

and making things just make sense but it doesn't make sense at all practically

[tiny apex]

Anyone with a brain would say wife beating isn’t moral 😭 regardless of your religion you should not beat your partner

[fiery pulsar]

yeah

[severe burrow]

Athiests like Tedd Bundy would say opposite 🙂

[tiny apex]

Wait this is actually so valid for the first time in a while I agree

[fiery pulsar]

well ted bundy is dead

[uncut tiger]

u mean dis

?ban @formal pilot

[tiny apex]

Ted Bundy was a sociopathic serial killer 😂😂 what example is this??

[severe burrow]

But he felt good

[limber dagger]

You forgot Mao and Stalin who used to bully anyone who was religious

[fiery pulsar]

bro is a troll he was justifying a child killing his parents

[severe burrow]

Ooh he was athiest tho

[severe burrow]

I never did that 🙂

[tiny apex]

Mao and Stalin were insane they just killed everyone who opposed them or worked the poor to death

[limber dagger]

Even atheism can be extreme.

[severe burrow]

That's athiesm

[tiny apex]

I could bring up examples of Christians who have done horrible things it has nothing to do with religion it’s mental illness

[limber dagger]

All right

[severe burrow]

Not according to religion, that's athiesm

[tiny apex]

Atheism doesn’t automatically make you a horrible person it’s just a lack of belief in god not losing values and morals as a whole

If you think that every single person on the planet needs religion to function as a sane and peaceful human being I worry for you

[limber dagger]

The Messenger said: Whoever has in his heart a mustard seed of fanaticism, God will gather him with Abu Jahl in Hell. God Almighty said: To you be your religion, and to me mine. The problem is in the fanaticism itself.

[formal pilot]

Alright i don't remember pinging Jesus

[tiny apex]

Right people can shout allahu akbar all they want it doesn’t make them a Muslim when they kill their own people it’s dying in the name of something you don’t truly believe in and don’t follow at all

[shell hemlock]

Alhamdulillah

[weary belfry]

diaz..

[thorny steeple]

But what makes them do such things?

[uncut tiger]

what

they didnt ban me yet

[tender vessel]

The fact you wanna erase it simply because you disagree with it or dislike it is itself contradicting freedom of thought which is a Western liberal value. That's akin to imposing Western liberalism on us, even if through dialogue.

[tiny apex]

In many countries where extremism is common there are also parallels to low iq and an uneducated population, a place where violence is commonplace and people grow to be apart or become accustomed to it, also manipulation or propaganda from people who just want to see their own people dead

And of course to have a reason for all the violence they say it’s for a person or their “religion”

[weary belfry]

lucky

[limber dagger]

Alright

[slender coral]

Idk what to tell you honestly مش عارف أقول إيه.
You think that talking to someone to change their mind about something contradicts freedom of thought and is imposing your opinion on them? Does the same rule apply to other topics like basic day to day stuff, political discourse, and religious discourse and religious differences that you tolerate? If someone discusses an idea with you that they don't agree with it and see it as wrong and try to change your mind, are they imposing their opinion on you?

This argument is honestly something that I see no depth in, it's just idiotic.

[limber dagger]

@tiny apex I think the only ones who listen to the voice of logic

[feral river]

as every supreme leaders do

[tiny apex]

And you too maybe one or two others but it’s hard to talk to everyone else

[feral river]

Mao and Stalin are extremely sensitive to any opposition and they didn't really directly killed the opposition

you can't kill the opposition but you can eliminate opposition by struggle between different factions in the party

[limber dagger]

This honestly hurts.

[feral river]

Stalin was using his NKVD to secretly purge officials

[tiny apex]

I meant it as a compliment like you’re a good person to talk to

[limber dagger]

The problem is not atheism or religiosity, but rather sectarianism.

[limber dagger]

Thank you

[tender vessel]

That's because you misunderstood my point. It's your desire and thought that contradicts the Western liberal values, not dialogue.
You claim to defend freedom of expression and thought, but you only do for ideas you like. Now you dislike Islamic fundamentalism, and seek to eliminate it, that's basically hypocrisy.
You want to impose Western liberalism by not abiding by Western liberalism, i.e., not respecting freedom of thought.

[feral river]

in the eariler career and leadership of Mao he's the one calling off the murder against the opposition and he even had a speech about "the existence of opposition is not at people's fault, but it's because our failure of establish the rule and provide the needs of the people"

[shell hemlock]

By that logic, an atheist who commit murder equals all atheists being murderers ?

[manic juniper]

Atheism doesn't have sectarianism so it's ideal

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[manic juniper]

[feral river]

but when he's finally at charge of PRC, he did a massive anti-counterrevolutionary campaign which he did not courage any murder or death prosecution against the opposition, but he's radical followers caused disaster

but that's not very much a disaster it's just eliminating opposition

[limber dagger]

Lol

[tiny apex]

Right like I don’t get that logic I’ve met some very horrible Christians in my life I wouldn’t blame that on religion or generalize and say all Christians are hateful people

[feral river]

it's fine to just eliminate opposition but it's hard to ensure such movement won't enlarge the group to regular people

[tender vessel]

So atheists are all unified?

[turbid dome]

That’s not what sectarianism is

[tender vessel]

That means Stalin is nothing different than you are. Lol

[feral river]

so I would discourage such act of using public execution to intimidate people

[tiny apex]

Mao is the one with the little red book am I right? Wasn’t he the one saying we need to reform china and in turn people destroyed old buildings and caused all the problems

[manic juniper]

"Western liberal values" when they don't accept Nazism (it goes against the principle of full freedom of expression I guess) 😔😔😔

[feral river]

that's what have happened very late at his career

[shell hemlock]

Those who defy the law under the name of religion are not under the same umbrella of those are actually God honoring individuals

[tiny apex]

Ohh I got you okay I agree with what you’re saying though

[manic juniper]

Was he an atheist

[feral river]

and the little red book movement which is the cultural revolution, is launched by Mao, but it was being practiced by the youth at that time

[shell hemlock]

Even then, you can’t define a group of people just by some rotten apples

[limber dagger]

He criticizes the idea that Islam is a terrorist religion because a Muslim killed someone.

[feral river]

it's basically a bunch of youth using such justified excuses to execute their teacher lol

and ofc it caused disaster

[high raven]

Who?

[tiny apex]

Just because there were some suicide bombers (which I don’t condone or say as a joke) I think they think every Muslim may be carrying some bombs under their jacket 😭😭

[high raven]

Is it the Evangelical guy

[tiny apex]

He said he had some unfortunate encounters with some Muslims so somehow that connects to Muslims being unfriendly then extremism

[spice bobcat]

L bozoz

Watch the lunar eclipse instead

[tiny apex]

It’s bright outside 💔 no eclipse here

[spice bobcat]

My condolences

It looks beautiful

[tiny apex]

Take a picture that sounds cool

[tender vessel]

Sectarianism is basically excessive attachment to a particular party or sect. The fact it's usually saw in the world of religion doesn't mean it's restricted to religion.
humanists, Marxist-Leninists, existentialists, secular liberals, nihilists, etc... those are all affiliates to different ideologies even within the atheistic world. These divisions can be just as heated as religious sectarianism, even without a particular theology.

[spice bobcat]

Camera sucks bruv. I'll see if any of my friends do take it

[slender coral]

Bruh I never said all Muslims are like that, just many and it's supported by both my experiences and the statistics I shared. Take a lot
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

[turbid dome]

I’m not saying atheists can’t be sectarian, but atheism itself isn’t sectarian, compared to religion

[manic juniper]

I wonder which sect frogs are part of, since most of them must subscribe to atheism

[tiny apex]

When you say most Muslims it’s a generalization if you’ve met more than 1 billion Muslims in your life then I would take your claim seriously

[turbid dome]

Ikr

[limber dagger]

We are off 2013

[tender vessel]

Yes. Western liberalism is pretty much incoherent. It reminds me of the paradox of tolerance.

[spice bobcat]

Where the flat earthers

[slender coral]

I didn't misunderstand your point. It seems like you misunderstand what's liberalism.

[tiny apex]

I’d love to believe in frogism just croak and hop around then sit on a lily pad chill day

[slender coral]

It's porbably way worse now considering the Palestine-Israel situation.

[manic juniper]

The paradox of tolerance isn't even a paradox

[tiny apex]

What does that have to do with extremism that’s just an ethnic cleansing

[slender coral]

Yes most in some places call for Sharia law to be enforced, I wasn't wrong.

[shell hemlock]

There are over billions of Muslims in the world, I doubt you’ve met half a billion in your experiences to come to that conclusion, I think it’s a broad way of saying just because somebody has a belief that you don’t necessarily believe in doesn’t mean that they are x or y

[tiny apex]

Even in places like Saudi Arabia where two of the holiest places are it’s not like what you think it is so I’m wondering what you mean by most?

[slender coral]

Well, of course it has everything to do with it. Extreme political tensions in a region cause more extremism in response to it.

[tender vessel]

Pretty much. Yes. In fact, he wasn't just an atheist, he was anti-theist, and he affiliated to Marxism which is explicitly atheistic.

[limber dagger]

In Algeria we do not have jihadists and most of the people are peaceful and Muslim

[manic juniper]

Marxism isn't atheistic either

[turbid dome]

It is

[tiny apex]

There are no Islamic extremists there in fact more women and children have died in Palestine alone then these extremists you claim are there

[manic juniper]

It concerns religion, but is it atheistic?

[turbid dome]

Yes, it explicitly denounces religion

[tiny apex]

If you’re talking about hamas at this point we all know that’s not what Israel is trying to kill

[manic juniper]

organised religion you mean?

[slender coral]

Dude, I've been to Saudi Arabia. Saudis only barely tolerate Shias and Christians, and they don't tolerate apostates like me at all. They still have the apostasy death penalty and they suppress religious freedom. They aren't a caliphate but they certainly are very fundamentalist.

[turbid dome]

I’ll send the whole quote which is most Relevant, but while it says religion the critic is applicable of the concept of god as a whole

[limber dagger]

There is religious extremism, which I do not deny, but whoever thinks that religion is the problem and jumps to atheistic extremism is the epitome of stupidity.

[manic juniper]

What is atheistic extremism? State atheism?

[tiny apex]

I mean if that’s your experience I won’t doubt it but I mean come on? Just because you’ve met a few intolerant people doesn’t mean that the entire country is awful I live in America I’m a Muslim and I’ve experienced pretty much every possible intolerant thing here from slurs to physical violence doesn’t mean the entire country is intolerant or awful

[turbid dome]

Same thing sent twice rip

[manic juniper]

It's not against deism tho, which is non-atheistic

[tender vessel]

What do you mean? Sectarianism is a human trait. Atheism can be as inviting to sectarianism as any other religion, it's a worldview that can be interpreted in different ways.

[tiny apex]

And to add on this wasn’t from atheists or anyone else this hate i experienced was usually from Christians

[slender coral]

Bro, Saudi Arabia fucking EXECUTE apostates, they kill them. In their penal code leaving Islam is a crime punishable by death. And the blasphemy laws are tight and suffocating for other religious groups.

[high raven]

That tracks, he does generalise often

[tiny apex]

Doesn’t mean that I dislike them all or that all Christian’s are awful

[tender vessel]

It is, by definition. Absolute tolerance eventually leads to intolerance. That's basically the paradox.

[turbid dome]

The illusory sun would apply there though, this is only a critique of religion as a whole because that is what plagues society most

[manic juniper]

That would be a paradox if absolute tolerance is a thing, but it never was and "western liberal values" aren't about that either

[slender coral]

They never understand this because they don't want to understand.

[turbid dome]

Atheism isn’t a religion though, and there’s no set of proscribed beliefs, atheists can’t believe whatever they want as long as they don’t believe in god and they’re still atheists.

Atheists can be sectarian seperate from religion, but that is different from atheism being sectarian

[manic juniper]

Besides western liberal values unfortunately tolerate Islamic fundamentalism and even nationalistic dog whistles

[tiny apex]

No need to get aggressive I understand what you’re saying that is a problem but considering you’re talking to me right now you’re just fine, so are others Saudi Arabia also executes or kills journalists but you’re specifically focused on that

[shell hemlock]

I hope you understand that not every country work with the same law

[limber dagger]

Question: Is there anyone who has changed my beliefs? Honestly, I don't.

[tiny apex]

I’ve noticed that people who hate on Islam it’s not necessarily about religion it’s based on experiences they’ve had with a couple Muslims which truly baffles me

[slender coral]

I said this many times before: The only countries in the world that kill people who leave their religions are Muslim countries

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately as long as you don't point guns and say "we will kill you all" most western countries will not give a fuck about insane racists or religious fundamentalists

[turbid dome]

Meanwhile Americans:

[feral river]

we don't give a fuck what you say in that case we will just suppress them if they violate any laws

[shell hemlock]

In every other country in the world, people get murdered for just walking about minding their own business, what’s your point ?

[feral river]

like disrupting the social order, threaten the national security or committing treason against the state

I'm sure if you openly practice Islam this would trigger one of these three

[tiny apex]

I can testify to this right here, when I’m in school there’s always a chance that someone could just start shooting (which almost happened 2 times to me) and it is usually white people 🤷‍♀️ it’s a systemic issue and mental illness

[feral river]

very sure about it

[turbid dome]

Yup

[feral river]

nobody gives a fuck to what you think until you got something triggered

[limber dagger]

Waiting for a slip to destroy what a democracy

[slender coral]

You wouldn't be executed for leaving Christianity in a country like the UK for example that's for sure. Add to that how most Muslim countries apply blasphemy laws, restrict religious freedoms of other religious groups, and do punish apostasy as well but with ways other than death.

[tiny apex]

You can be beaten for being a different ethnicity or called slurs for being a Muslim in the UK what are you talking about

[limber dagger]

Honestly, I will withdraw. No one wants to hear me until two.

[tiny apex]

Maybe not executions but I’ve seen people be killed over things like that there

The problem is that people try to create these divisions based on race, gender, sexuality, or religion and not just be peaceful

And it’s not something that is specific to Islam hate is present in everyone to a certain degree

That’s all I have to say for that

[shell hemlock]

Because most cases goes under the facade of racial profiling instead of execution, you don’t see every cases where it happens and because of the lack of laws defining this causes things to go under the radar

[turbid dome]

@manic juniper even Christian socialists were scorned by Marx

“Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat.”

Per the communist manifesto

[formal pilot]

[manic juniper]

Yes but this is against religion, not in favour of atheism. You can be a deist and I bet most Marxists were

It's not an atheistic worldview at all, it's just an irreligious one

[turbid dome]

My point is more Marx cared about reasoning. Marx thought deism was anti-materialist and thus didn’t like it

[slender coral]

Racial violence is something that people in western countries mostly don't accept, while suppression of different religious beliefs and apostasy are things that too many Muslims accept, they are the majority in some countries.

[limber dagger]

Believe me, it's better not to get into this discussion.

[feral river]

nobody gives a fuck about religion as marxist

RELIGION IS PEOPLE'S OPIUM - KARL MARX

[tiny apex]

Sometimes it feels like talking to a wall

[limber dagger]

Yes

[slender coral]

That's what I feel right now

[tiny apex]

Marxism is an actual religion though? I thought it was just a belief

[slender coral]

It's not a religion

[formal pilot]

I dive into discussions with full enthusiasm when the topic is fresh or rooted in science

[tiny apex]

I think we’re on two sides of a fence you know? I don’t want you to think I dislike you but you can’t change my opinion and I can’t change yours and that’s okay I suppose

[formal pilot]

Rn it's never ending religious discussion

[tiny apex]

Is Marxism like communism then

[formal pilot]

You might be a jew

[shell hemlock]

So you think racial violence is allowed if it is when they are not religious 🤔

[slender coral]

You can change my opinion though, I'm not close minded.

[tiny apex]

How so I do have quite a lot of money right now but I don’t know about being Jewish

[formal pilot]

I'll send a letter to your family about you being an atheist with evidence

[manic juniper]

The only way I see him be ok with Islam is living in Bosnia, Kosovo, Albania, hell even Turkey which are completely different from Egypt

[high raven]

No need for personal insults

[shell hemlock]

Also really interesting that you mentioned the UK because now I have a case to bring up

[tiny apex]

Not close minded more unable to accept my opinion at all so it’s just going in circles

[shell hemlock]

Isn’t there a current protest going on in the UK over immigrants and minorities ?

[limber dagger]

Believe me, atheism does not change anything in Algeria. Most of the gangs are atheists because true Islam not the Islam of ISIS prevents crime.

[high raven]

Australia, the UK won't allow such protests

[formal pilot]

If you haven't gifted your mum a pink iphone and don't own 4 apartments with 100s of cats, your money is irrelevant

[turbid dome]

No, but Communism is a Marxist idea

[tiny apex]

So if I do those things do I magically transform into a Jew 😭😭😭

That’d be kind of funny though

[shell hemlock]

Actually there is/was a protest just last month, aren’t Europe countries known for their protests anyways ?

[slender coral]

I never said this nor implied at all. Could you please read my responses with more focus?
Let me clarify, I'm saying that in the west racial violence isn't acceptable, while in places like MENA region, religious intolerance is mostly mainstream and integrated in the laws of most Muslim countries through blasphemy laws, laws restricting most religious groups, and laws against apostasy which in some countries they have the death penalty against it.

[shell hemlock]

“Since 13 July 2025, protests against immigration have taken place in parts of the United Kingdom, some of which have led to violent disorder.”

[formal pilot]

You can at least become Minecraft china mainland, which isn't far from being a jew

[tiny apex]

I should’ve known that so Marxism and communism are closely related? How does Marxism work?

[shell hemlock]

If it isn’t acceptable, then why do people still do it

[tiny apex]

Noo thank you 😭 I’ll stay cool cat

[limber dagger]

Believe me, atheism does not change anything in Algeria. Most of the gangs are atheists because true Islam not the Islam of ISIS prevents crime.

[high raven]

Not when it comes to anti-immigration or Palestine, the police always cracks down on them

[manic juniper]

The issue is what's considered a crime according to "true Islam"?

[formal pilot]

Does Algeria even have terrorists? I thought they only have Imane Khelif

[slender coral]

Zina isn't acceptable in Muslim countries right? Why Muslims still do it?
You see, some people just diverge from societal values. Bro even among racist westerners, not all would support violence.

[manic juniper]

Because I'm sure that disliking Kim Jong-Un is also a crime in at least one country

[tiny apex]

What even is true Islam anyways like I’m being serious

[manic juniper]

[formal pilot]

Being rational

[turbid dome]

Communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society imagined by Marx as the final stage of human development.

Marxism refers to the ideas of Marx, mainly historical and dialectical materialism as a way of interpreting the world.

All communists are marxists but not all marxists are communists

[manic juniper]

It's like the Scotsman, I'm waiting for a Scotsman to tell me what's a true Scotsman

[limber dagger]

Atheist terrorists

[shell hemlock]

Weird because didn’t the media publish news about how they were protesting over the England flag being hung up and people were replacing it with the UK flag ?

[manic juniper]

||Aladdin looking up for an application to send||

[formal pilot]

What do you mean by "terrorists"?

[turbid dome]

You think ISIS is atheist? They say they believe in god and called themselves a caliphate lmao

[tiny apex]

Done correctly I think this could work, but then you’d have to assure that the leaders wouldn’t become greedy it sounds like a slippery slope (like Lenin to Stalin how they dealt with communism)

[limber dagger]

Not isis really atheist

[tiny apex]

You can be anything in name though doesn’t mean you’re a Muslim

[manic juniper]

Well that was the weirdest atheist movement I ever saw then

[tiny apex]

Well I’ll be waiting too because I have never heard the term ever

[shell hemlock]

So now you are concluding that Muslims in general support violence, thank you so much for contradicting yourself

[formal pilot]

I'm sending you an application for your car's extended warranty

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-cat-meow-meowmeow-confused-gif-8057852975940592422

[formal pilot]

Elaborate

[turbid dome]

Yeah, well communism is the ideal where there would be no leaders, communist parties at least claim to want to a hieve communism by going through socialism as a transitory phase. Now I don’t believe most of them, such as the Soviets, but the greatest potential for corruption is in transitory periods such as socialism

[high raven]

Some protests do happen, but those related to anti-immigration and Palestine get shut down immediately, the state turns fascist when it comes to those. Sweden and Norway used to be the most lenient when it came to protests and now you're not even able to organise a protest to burn a Quran/Bible/Torah

[shell hemlock]

“Every other country have racial violence and it’s less serious because they are not Muslims doing it”

[manic juniper]

Us atheists want to formally apologise for the deeds of lSIS, not all atheists are like that, some of us did good things such as inventing the world wide web, allowing Catholic priests to more easily share questionable content online

[turbid dome]

Well they’re certainly not atheist as they believe in god, and the religion they’re closest to is Islam, even if they misuse some part of Islam

[tiny apex]

Oh interesting! I mean in that case (hopefully the NSA isn’t watching me write this) but communism sounds great

[shell hemlock]

Interesting

[high raven]

If you have an Intel or AMD cpu on your computer/laptop the NSA already has a backdoor to it

[limber dagger]

True Islam forbids the killing of non-Muslims without reason and theft. It promotes knowledge and education and gives women the right to learn and work, but subject to conditions. Are these conditions in place to prevent behaviors that are not desirable for women?

[manic juniper]

Isn't Australia where the protest is led by a Lebanese anti-immigrant guy?

[tiny apex]

Wait I do have that on my pc 😧 oh my goodness they’re watching me

[formal pilot]

Based on multiverse theory, there's a universe in which

ISIS stands for Intense S*x Involving Sheeps

[high raven]

Yes! I think his great-grandparents were Lebanese, and he gets offended when it's pointed out

[turbid dome]

That was awesome

[manic juniper]

Can't believe the Shias are behind this ploy as well

[shell hemlock]

A feminist moderator here said something about middle eastern women not having freedom which is laughable

[brazen agate]

a person who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts

[high raven]

They ruin every country they migrate to

[turbid dome]

Objectively there are laws in most of the Middle East limiting women’s rights compared to men

[limber dagger]

[shell hemlock]

Elaborate

[tiny apex]

Aw mate don’t say that I’ve punched blokes in the mouth for saying that

[shell hemlock]

That moderator isn’t a ‘she’ btw

[turbid dome]

Male guardianship in some countries gives men control over their wives

[slender coral]

Can the average middle eastern woman live independantly away from her family if she wants to?

[high raven]

😭😭😭

[shell hemlock]

That’s easy to say

[turbid dome]

https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/07/18/trapped/how-male-guardianship-policies-restrict-womens-travel-and-mobility-middle

[high raven]

He takes "Lebanese" as an insult the same way I take "Arab"

[tiny apex]

Up until like the 70s women couldn’t have their own bank accounts here in the US, it’s not necessarily religion but patriarchy which I think I’ve said at some point

[turbid dome]

I mean I would agree

[limber dagger]

In Algeria, yes, veiled

[formal pilot]

Thou say’st I think too oft yet better a mind o’erwrought than one left idle, like thine, which doth slumber 'twixt supper and snore

[turbid dome]

But acting like they’re free is funny

[shell hemlock]

Why would she want to ?

[slender coral]

Idk from where they have the guts to tell us that people who say women don't have freedom in the middle east don't know what they are talking about.

[tiny apex]

😭😭

[turbid dome]

Freedom is the choice to choose to

[slender coral]

Now you are going to question her motivations, nice, very nice. And yet you think women have freedom in your countries?

[tiny apex]

Somebody translate this Shakespearean

[manic juniper]

But it's better than not being able to go outside alone

That's a right we had since the 12th century

[tiny apex]

I think the original reason was for safety but I get what you’re saying it’s also control too which is unfortunate

Women should have the right to choose if they want to walk with someone or go out on their own

[limber dagger]

I see three groups in the chat: the rationalists, the fanatical urbanites, and the fanatical atheists.

[manic juniper]

I'm all three of them

[shell hemlock]

No

[formal pilot]

You might be the lord and saviour

[high raven]

Christian extremists always get left out

[manic juniper]

Nvm I'm a mammal, I can't belong to the first one

[turbid dome]

It is 😭 what do you think freedom means

[manic juniper]

Does this mean we have a reptile amongst us

[tiny apex]

I’m so glad we have a wide range of extremists among us a perfect world

[limber dagger]

Sorry

[brazen agate]

Better a sluggard’s wit that still doth toil, than a mind o’ertaxed yet fruitless in its labor.

[formal pilot]

Atheists are reptiles

[tiny apex]

Me..

[limber dagger]

The world not working by that

[tiny apex]

Go back to Victorian times we can’t understand you 😡

[manic juniper]

Only as a facade, no reptile is a true atheist since they are aware of their own kind

[slender coral]

Bro, even here in Egypt where women can legally live independently, they get harassed very often if they do it. People assume that they work in prostitution or something and they call them perverted ماشية على حل شعرها.

[shell hemlock]

I am not from the Middle East and yes I am going to question that

[brazen agate]

sorry sir we've failed you 💔💔

[tiny apex]

Since you have a pretty cool pfp I can forgive

[brazen agate]

❤️

[limber dagger]

@lily

[dark prism]

Gh

[formal pilot]

Better a mind that strains and sparks than one that idles and sputters

[limber dagger]

@digital reef

[hoary glen]

Ah?

[digital reef]

what

[limber dagger]

She is Egyptian

[tiny apex]

I’m gonna go and get some food lighten up a little before I come back 🤫🧏‍♀️

[limber dagger]

Is there extremism in Egypt as a whole?

[formal pilot]

Are they aware of the location of each bone in their body?

[manic juniper]

Probably yes but they don't enforce their awareness

[limber dagger]

@digital reef Is there extremism in Egypt as a whole?

[tender vessel]

Of course absolute intolerance doesn't exist.
Anyhow, so you believe Western liberalism only advocates for limited freedom of thought? Seems like Western liberalism is pretty religious, honestly. Lol

[brazen agate]

Even an idle mind saves its strength unlike one that sparks only to burn itself out.

[formal pilot]

They aren't reptiles, they're cows in Indian streets

[digital reef]

hmmmmm
Extremism exists in some areas, like in North Sinai or among small groups, but it does not represent Egyptians as a whole. Most people reject it

[limber dagger]

Not all

[manic juniper]

I agree

[digital reef]

yeah like i didn't met an extremism in my whole life

[limber dagger]

Thank you

[turbid dome]

Yes, liberalism isn’t the freedom it’s made out to be, early liberals believed the masses were too stupid to rule themselves and needed to be guided and that’s why liberal countries have representative democracy

[digital reef]

your welcome

[formal pilot]

but what use hath a sword that ne’er leaves its sheath?

[manic juniper]

[brazen agate]

More use than a blade swung wildly, that dulls itself ere it strikes true

[brazen agate]

(our job is to scare away every beginner from serious chat)

[thorny steeple]

@limber dagger the problem with My PC was the wall socket

I just put in the other wall socket

[limber dagger]

Hmmmmm

[formal pilot]

Methinks I must take my leave ere thou dost

[thorny steeple]

[uncut tiger]

nice lol

[thorny steeple]

It's was strange, because I mounted my PC

I know that it's well mounted

[brazen agate]

good night sweety 😴

[limber dagger]

The problem is that the power port may be damaged.

[brazen agate]

don't let the bedbugs bite

[turbid dome]

"From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.

A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking. Let us examine the points in which it varies from pure democracy, and we shall comprehend both the nature of the cure and the efficacy which it must derive from the Union." - James Madison, Federalist Paper 10

[tender vessel]

My argument is basically that, even if we would to completely strip religion out of the equation, there would still be sectarianism. So it's not restricted to religion at all and it definitely exists even in an atheistic world.

[thorny steeple]

Power port from wall?

[limber dagger]

Both

[turbid dome]

I agree, my point is religion gives another avenue for sectarianism

[brazen agate]

yeah very good, yeah very nice you play very good piano 👍

[thorny steeple]

No, it's from wall, I changed the wall port and it's working well now

[limber dagger]

Congratulations

[thorny steeple]

[wraith dagger]

Guys anybody tell me youtube video can convert to PDF
Is it possible.....?

[turbid dome]

no, a PDF is a document type, not a video type

[tender vessel]

Hitler used to label Western liberalism as false freedom. Nazis believed in their own concept of freedom. Liberalism at its core, while denotes freedom, is very vague and ambiguous, that's why Rousseau's liberalism was different than Locke's liberalism etc...
We as Muslims believe in freedom that is different in many aspects from Western liberalism's concept of freedom.

[manic juniper]

Liberalism's vagueness is either why people like or dislike it

[feral river]

try to have freedom without military

[turbid dome]

I mean, no arguments there

[feral river]

all you will have is nothing but a ground with bomb dropping from the sky everyday

[tender vessel]

Of course. You already agree.

[feral river]

and endless struggle to madness extremism

[manic juniper]

I'd say that any branch of liberalism is better than Nazism and Islamism tho

[turbid dome]

I think there is enough vagueness to try and make it sounds appealing while enough structure to make it flawed

[high raven]

Say the toilet paper line

[manic juniper]

But that's just my opinion

[high raven]

I forgot how it went

[feral river]

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[tender vessel]

That's a deeply subjective opinion. Better for you is not better for others.

[high raven]

Posting this on LinkedIn

[feral river]

DIGNITY ONLY EXISTS ON THE SHARP POINT OF THE SWORD, TRUTH ONLY EXISTS IN THE ATTACKING RANGE OF A CANNON - AI YUEJIN

[crystal kayak]

You should have just ignored him

[feral river]

your freedom is protected when there's enforcement to eliminate anyone who want to deprive your freedom

[manic juniper]

Yes, we need to know from a group of people of different backgrounds which one of those systems they'd rather live in

[high raven]

What did he do

[crystal kayak]

Nothing

Let the supreme leader rest

[near blaze]

The thin one

[feral river]

let me show you what is enforcement

without these you will never have any freedom

with these you have the freedom to decide other's fate under your rule

**HAIL THE LEAGUE OF FREEDOM 🇺🇸 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇫🇷 **

[high raven]

Tanks are obsolete and no longer effective

I saw it in a vision

[velvet ridge]

Only 🇺🇸🇷🇺🇨🇳

[feral river]

In a nuclear war yes

But in normal combat situation, nothing could replace tanks and armored vehicles on the land

We will have robots driving tanks in the future

And they will obliterate every enemy with no ally and own civilian casualties

[high raven]

Incorrect, there's a reason why even China is replacing everything with drones

[feral river]

We have the most advanced drones that’s true

But it doesn’t mean we stopped to develop tanks

Tanks is very important in ground combat

[feral river]

UK and France was included just because they are in the security council and they have nukes

And they do have the highest autonomy in US global influence

It’s magic if he really have this popularity after messed up the tariff war, raise taxes on regular Americans, and cut off their medicaid, shut down the department of education, and defund the government with deportation against minorities some terrorists that’s still nice

Hard to evaluate if he’s for the national interest but he has a plan and idea to make America great again

Sometimes sacrifice people’s interest for national interest is necessary

[dusty granite]

Hi (seriously)

[turbid dome]

True, drones make them irrelevant

[slender coral]

Hello

[turbid dome]

That’s a massive outlier, he’s in mid to high 40’s in most polls

[turbid dome]

Also, many of these actions haven’t taken effect and will only happen after the midterm elections, so people don’t realize the full effect yet

[wraith sorrel]

Alhamdulillah

[velvet ridge]

What do you think, which war is better as a technologies , war in the past before 20 century, or now's war better? As a tanks , drones , planes

[slender coral]

Today's wars are more advanced that's for sure.

[limber dagger]

Assalamualaikum

[slender coral]

What aspects you want to compare?

[slender coral]

و عليكم

[velvet ridge]

Like being a soldier

Where is more chance to stay alive

[velvet ridge]

اه انت عربي

[limber dagger]

What do you think about education in general and are all people suitable for it?

[slender coral]

Both have very high mortality rates that's for sure.

[mystic girder]

Where are you from?

[slender coral]

Of course. All humans are capable of learning, problems happen when people don't educate themselves and ignorance become common.
Did I understand your question correctly?

[velvet ridge]

From the biggest country in the world

[mystic girder]

Russia?

[limber dagger]

What are the reasons for ignorance and do you prefer the scientific or literary track?

[velvet ridge]

True

[slender coral]

My ignorance?

[limber dagger]

Sorry

[slender coral]

I don't understand

Ohhh, ok that's a big typo

[slender coral]

I think the problem is how poorly funded scientific research in many countries. Add to that how often they lack essentials in schools. Here in my country they often lacked desks and chairs in classes until recently.
All of that is the result of mismanagement by the state of course, they fail to manage resources so they give schools less funding.

Beyond the essentials there's the need for higher education. Good higher education means better economy because graduates would be able to give much to the economy through their knowledge, thus more opportunities, thus more people would seek better higher education, thus the average person becomes more educated, and so on.

[velvet ridge]

No way it's big typo

[slender coral]

I think sociology, humanities, and psychology are very important fields for society that people often ignore. Natural sciences are important but I think understanding how people think and act is more important.

[limber dagger]

The issue of scientific and literary careers

[limber dagger]

Interesting

[velvet ridge]

Could you show it ?

[south lark]

no

[velvet ridge]

Then why you r saying about that in serious chat

[south lark]

i am making a statement

[limber dagger]

I think that education should be provided to a talented group that is discovered in basic education, with a focus on sciences such as mathematics and physics, while the rest should be the rest of the social functions.

@slender coral

[slender coral]

Determining who is talented and who isn't is something that doesn't work. Often people can reach mastery in stuff that they aren't talented in just by being dedicated, and talented people can lose their shine by being lazy.
There's also no objective way to determine who is talented. Westerners in the past tried to rely on IQ tests for that but it turned out to be not reliable.

[south lark]

dumb idea

education for all

basic sense

[limber dagger]

This is the current system

[limber dagger]

It is impossible for everyone

[south lark]

might as well tell me you believe in eugenics

[limber dagger]

I am for having many children

[lean pebble]

is there anyone who is into personal development?

[young valve]

What does it mean?

I am into reading bl manhwa if they are intriguing

[thorny steeple]

Wsssppppp serious ppllll

[slender coral]

What's up Kurd

Having fun being ruled by Arabs?

[tender vessel]

Quite the opposite. Look at Finland for instance, they have 100% literacy rate and one of the best education systems in the world.
The problem isn't that people don't wanna learn, it's that corruption in our countries is eating all the opportunities for us to succeed. However, that's not an excuse, you can still learn pretty much anything nowadays.

[thorny steeple]

What’s up iraqi

[thorny steeple]

Having fun of being evil?

[tender vessel]

He's Egyptian.

[slender coral]

Bro I'm Egyptian not Iraqi why you forgot 😭

[thorny steeple]

Huh!

[thorny steeple]

Oh bruh I forget about racist ppl sry

[slender coral]

Nah bro I'm just kidding

Kurds suck as much as Arabs

[thorny steeple]

No at least we are not evill

[slender coral]

Racist

[tender vessel]

At least we're not Israelis. Lol

[slender coral]

That's a very low bar

[thorny steeple]

hi and bye

[thorny steeple]

Why I answered the way u did

|| just to your knowledge I’m not under Arab rules ||

[thorny steeple]

Iraq government have no difference with isreal anyway

[south lark]

lol ok

[fiery flower]

Dead chat

Rip 💀

[limber dagger]

I mean higher education, and I said discovering talents from compulsory basic education

[high raven]

Hard to compare those two😭

[manic juniper]

It's free lol

[neon sierra]

and u are

[silent hatch]

Cro

You're an Arab, you're Egyptian

You two are the same

[turbid dome]

Imagine smh

[lyric karma]

I never have been in this chat before . what kind of serious things you guys talk about it here ?

[high raven]

Anything really, but it's mostly politics/religion/eugenics

[lyric karma]

Aw ok ty

[thorny steeple]

I send to a girl "Once time they said "the apple falls" and later other said "the apple is relative""

Am I stupid?

And later I asked how was your day

I wanted not be generic, so I use a no sense phrase

I'm crazy

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-partynextdoor-nokia-baby-girl-music-gif-7130823890577284336

No I support u

[severe burrow]

💀

That's two different

[severe burrow]

Israelites allow freedom. That's two diff lol

[feral river]

You guys are pretty evil according to many states around the region

And Israel

They do uses force to crack down on such influence

Who’s losing, who’s evil

Better hold the guns more tightly

Or you are out of the history of civilization

[thorny steeple]

A footnote in the long pages of history & civilization

[feral river]

Unlike Egypt they also lose and evil but got a place to settle and have a rest

You guys don’t have any time to rest

You go rest, they will eliminate you

This is the current struggle

You guys’ existence from now was just because the US need you as the leverage to control the nations around the region

But they won’t let you go independent because it will dramatically destroy the stability around the region, it’s very unstable and less profitable for the US

You would hold this national interest of the US to survive and you will stay like this until their policy changes towards the region

Serve the American capitalists better was your only way to survive in this dangerous situation for you I think

Be valuable

[thorny steeple]

Indeed but this is the era of peace no world war has happened since 1945, minus some conflicts in certain areas of the world

[feral river]

War is happening when there’s potential, the place that is unstable and profitable is the hotbed of the war

[thorny steeple]

Definitely since 1776 America has never been more freed from another state

[feral river]

The region of kurds was a massive region comprising several nation’s territory and do have rich resources they needed

Kurds simply was their tool to use attack their rivals especially in Iran-Iraqi war

And Americans uses Kurds to fight against ISIS

But they are just a leverage, they can’t be a nation, that’s not profitable to anyone in that case

[thorny steeple]

Indeed that's why our Lord and Savior money has funded thoroughly the forsaken industrial military complex that we have here in the states

[feral river]

So they have to stay like that

[feral river]

Yeah God and Lord’s sake, your military industrial complex and our authoritarian leadership is making the world better

Hail the MIC 🇺🇸

[thorny steeple]

The Kurds region there in what is now turkey/Iraq/Syria/Iran?

[feral river]

Yeah idk if it will disappear in few decades but we will see

We also don’t need a unified Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq

[thorny steeple]

Maybe it will maybe it will remain but time will tell

[feral river]

We use them and when they are useless we drop them out

That’s enough

As I said this is just a leverage we use

They are not powerful they don’t have the power to defy us

[thorny steeple]

Defy who?

[feral river]

If they do defy us we just let these nations go after them have them a lesson which they had already enough I believe

[feral river]

Superpowers, especially the United States of America

🇺🇸

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but where's the top rising supper power aka China lmao

[feral river]

We don’t have a stand point at the middle east rn

[thorny steeple]

Understandable, unrelated topic. Source: Wikipedia https://share.google/MSzYQvQGWJWw8whzq

[feral river]

Only Chinese Communist Party members are allowed to be on this table

And me

[formal pilot]

Are you the dessert

[feral river]

Nah I’m their kid 💀

You can’t be a CCP member automatically by being a kid of CCP members

But ofc I enjoy their party and wealth

[tiny apex]

What if I’m not Chinese can I have some looks good

[feral river]

You can by paying the bill

I’m sure this was just a random party with nice meal that everybody could afford

Even people from Israeli Gaza could afford it

[hidden shore]

Come on i am a number of ccp already

Congratulations to me

[broken crane]

hi

HI, does anyone want to talk voice

[formal pilot]

https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1028009402415984650

[feral river]

Congrats!

[hidden shore]

I just kidding

[feral river]

Let’s enjoy the cheap stuff produced at prison camps in Xinjiang together

Cheers

[hidden shore]

Cheers

[hidden shore]

@feral river

[prime minnow]

Any muslims want to chill and talk about deen? https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1414473574047154287

[novel aurora]

I dont completely disagree with you, but i will add that constants are numbers, and these natural properties are logical and the presence of absolute nature of the universe. You dont make sense of a number until you give it a meaning, but the number stays logical and it would not infer to anything were it to stand alone.
The state i mean here is the constant that is not changing, one of the variable changes lead to the result of one of the two or both, which is trivial and once again makes sure it doesnt break the constant.

V,p,T are the properties of the state, not the state itself

However, regardless of this question, things would still work as usual , because we established a measurement system

[novel aurora]

I think its worth studying any science subject because the measurement system is born for human to understand these things

[hybrid herald]

I disagree!

(i enjoy saying this)

[marble seal]

They are just descriptions of something ..... You don't have to overthink that much about it

[grave merlin]

OH MY GOD BIG BRO WHAT-

[fluid compass]

not overthinking can lead you to submission.

the state wants that from you.

[deep zephyr]

Didn't know u were here

[slender coral]

Saw a video of a young man and his mom, both have ADHD and Autism. He was diagnosed very early while she was diagnosed in her 40s.
The man spoke briefly about their experiences, he said he grew up with no truamatic experiences home and doesn't experience anxiety nor depression, while his mom is quite the opposite, she went through a lot it seems but she didn't project her experiences on him. The woman is a hero, she broke generational curses.

[gentle wagon]

Chat I'm serious

[dire pewter]

Hey peeps

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-14500569190495016162

[twilit holly]

Bro , nowadays everyone is diagnosed with autism lol

[slender coral]

You are diagnosed with autism?

[twilit holly]

Yes

I am

[slender coral]

Hmmm

[twilit holly]

[slender coral]

I don't think it's everyone though, I know people who aren't diagnosed with autism

[twilit holly]

I'm not diagnosed , but i don't belive some poeple have autism

[slender coral]

I don't think that's for you to decide. It's a matter that professionals should be the ones to determine.

[twilit holly]

It was on fashion to be diagnosed with autism before

[slender coral]

Fashion?

How?

[twilit holly]

I remember a bunch of girls showing off their autism on media

Iike they used to go and say hey look at me I have autism

[high raven]

That's some odd behaviour

[slender coral]

I mean, that's something that happens with other health problems too online. And while some of it is clout chasing, much of it is the feeling of being related to for your experience.

[severe burrow]

[slender coral]

And it's certainly not fashion. I'm no fashion expert but autism wasn't fashion at any point 🫠

[slender coral]

How is this relevant to this conversation

Bruh people in this chat are so weird.