🧠｜serious-chat

[urban swift]

Someone without physics, mathematics etc can't verify

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKS_1127−145

[old sail]

And what was before it ?

Do you have a photo of big bang ?

[urban swift]

It's ok, not everyone can think of √2 could be represented on a number line.

[manic juniper]

Humans didn't exist 13,8 billion years ago

[old sail]

How do you know that 😄

[manic juniper]

We don't have a photo of pyramids from 5000 years ago, maybe the British built them out of boredom 100 years ago

[old sail]

Oh i understand you were here like 13,8 bilions of years before and look for the humans am i right ?

[manic juniper]

No one was

[urban swift]

In which grade are you studying?

[prisma cipher]

Not photo but, you can listen to the echo of the big bang through a radio, but it has to be an analog radio

[old sail]

I'm doing this because a while ago someone asked if I had a video of God performing miracles.

[hidden shore]

you can hear the sound of universe

[old sail]

I know 😄

[hidden shore]

in universe there is some plants creating big bang like explode

[old sail]

I believe in all this

[manic juniper]

Your video didn't contain miracles, it was just women praying

[hidden shore]

so scientists collect this,(big bang theory)

[hidden shore]

god? do you see that

[old sail]

The woman sees a miracle 🤦‍♂️

[hidden shore]

where the fuck he is

there is no any evidence of gods

[manic juniper]

Do we believe what someone sees if others can't see it as well? It could be schizophrenia

[hidden shore]

sscience always tell you the evidence , religions always tell you fuck the god

[manic juniper]

Emperor Constantin met, spoke to and held the hands of Apollo at his oracle

[old sail]

I think science and God are like two pieces of the same puzzle — they don’t cancel each other, they complete each other.

Thats all

[manic juniper]

If we take this at face value then the God Apollo is real

[prisma cipher]

When you turn on the radio or you see noise on an old TV when it not setup on any channel, what do you think it is?you see big bang trace

[neon sierra]

how to get rid of a fever

[old sail]

Yeah, I know about that cosmic background radiation — for me it’s fascinating how science explains it, but I also believe God is behind the creation itself.

[manic juniper]

Take paracetamol and ibuprofen if it gets bad

[old sail]

For me, science is like reading the book of nature, and God is the author

[prisma cipher]

God is behind that noise on TV?

[hidden shore]

😹

once human acheive advanced space exploration

[old sail]

Yes

[hidden shore]

there is goddamn people still belive their god

[old sail]

I believe God is everywhere — even in the things science studies.

[hidden shore]

their mind and delusional never change

[old sail]

What if it’s actually the other way around, and thinking there’s no God is the real delusion?

[formal pilot]

My point remains unchanged
"The idea that it could be God becomes a compelling possibility"

[hidden shore]

do religions teach you how to use medical things, do religons teach you how is nature form, do religons teach you how oceans is salty , do relgions educate you how semen come through female body

[old sail]

science explains how things work, faith explains why life matters.

[formal pilot]

Still, it being an infinite loop is more probable

[old sail]

interesting idea, but even an infinite loop still doesn’t explain the ultimate why behind existence.

[formal pilot]

Yes, it doesn't

[manic juniper]

So far it's more likely that it will be finite unless we find out more evidence

[hidden shore]

we do have faith, not religions faith

[manic juniper]

There will be nothing but heat death

[formal pilot]

I don't think it's possible to find more evidence

It's just an opinion of someone who's not an expert*

[manic juniper]

Why not, we keep discovering new possibilities

[old sail]

Even believing only in science is still a kind of faith — we all put our trust somewhere.

[manic juniper]

We will never find a definitive answer but that goes for plenty of things

[manic juniper]

It's not really faith when it comes to science because you can replicate plenty of experiments

[old sail]

Sure, science proves the how, but even trusting science starts with faith in reason and order.

[turbid ivy]

Could be a name of a guy

[tender vessel]

Whas happenin here?

[manic juniper]

It's not faith, it's about transparency and being able to understand how science itself works

[turbid ivy]

Science is blind

[old sail]

I agree, but even science assumes our minds can truly grasp reality — and that assumption itself is faith at the core.

[turbid ivy]

Faith Leads science

[turbid ivy]

True

[manic juniper]

We can grasp reality, just not fully because the senses are limited

[turbid ivy]

Tell me what caused big bang

[old sail]

Right, and that’s where faith takes over — beyond the limits of our senses.

[manic juniper]

No, it's just a different approach and why the two aren't and never were compatible

Faith takes over but doesn't replace science just as science doesn't replace faith

[old sail]

They are different approaches, yes but different doesn’t have to mean incompatible. I see them as two perspectives on the same reality.

[old sail]

Yes, that’s the balance I believe in.

Yes, we came to the same conclusion

God bless you and keep you safe

[manic juniper]

Likewise

[tender vessel]

The underlying principles of the scientific method, from an atheistic worldview, are based on blind faith.
If everything is the product of chance, or if you simply don’t know, you can’t say with certainty that even the universal constants (including physical laws) are unchanging, since you either don’t know or you assume everything changes because it is simply the product of chance.
In this case, if atheists observe a spacecraft failing after launch and falling, they have no grounding for assuming it was an issue with the spacecraft’s design rather than a change in the physical laws.
Note: this doesn’t mean they wouldn’t deduce it’s a design problem rather than a change in physical laws, but every time they make that deduction, they are violating their own lack of belief (atheism).

That of course by extension means science as whole would be blind faith from an atheistic worldview.

[manic juniper]

It's not, they are the complete opposite. Two of its main principles are transparency and falsifiability, scientists provide the factors and the results of their experiments and findings for anyone to replicate, if they didn't that would be blind faith

[fresh flower]

Ordered a kebabpizza in support of immigration

An Arab will make it and a Bengali will deliver it, God bless Sweden 🙏🏻🇸🇪

[stable edge]

hey guyss

[frozen wadi]

hi, guys

[feral river]

the only reason you falling into the same trap was because you believe a crap that was created before few hundred years ago

I'm sorry believe something doesn't equal to have belief

you can believe in science that doesn't require you to have such a belief on science

you believe in science at most times just because it could work and it's verifiable

your allah is a piece of crap that doesn't exist neither most people give a fuck about it

[urban swift]

Scientific theories can be proved.
There are even video evidences available now of space activities/bodies with Hubble telescope and James webb telescope.

There's yet to be any concrete proof of god or any video evidence.

[feral river]

and somebody keep their struggle then got crack down for obvious reason

because they keep believing the fucking crap to tell people either to believe their crap or they will use terrorist attack

that's why we will absolulely win the war against terror because we know how they were treating the rest majority of people

LONG LIVE THE WAR ON TERROR 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇫🇷

[uncut tiger]

i disagree

[hidden shore]

the advanced telescope , which you cann see the universe which is very expensive tho

i have seen a youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2X7V0LhSP8&ab_channel=DamonScotting

[feral river]

the guy with blind faith fucked these guy's ass who have the stupid faith to commit on a stupid backward ass ideology

don't worry natural selection is working, you can not to believe it, nobody cares

but it works 🇮🇱

and it worked perfectly well 🇮🇱

[urban swift]

What a bunch of gibberish

[formal pilot]

Well, equations won't help us to calculate things in negative time, and given that the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light, it's unlikely to retrieve information from the distant past

[hidden shore]

[formal pilot]

I might be completely wrong

[feral river]

nobody think it's possible to know what's on the moon before 500 years ago

no any fucking ant on the ground is possible to know when they will be killed by a random guy stepping them on

using fucking ignorance and stupid to prove something does exist was the most stupidest thing ever to be completed

in the ancient times at the fucking least they could use this to mobilize people and create some degree of order for authority to achieve certain things

now it is the fucking 21 century, the fucking 21 century, the 21 century

and they still using it to misguide people to work for their shit and no doubt they lose it

[hidden shore]

china has Northrop B-2 Spirit

[feral river]

but anyway I ain't surprised most people from the 3rd world empty ground places would believe in such a crap since we already dominated them for so long

make sense they stay at their fucking ground and make it more empty by themselves

[hidden shore]

3rd world empty ground but their stuff are cheap

[feral river]

cheap = low productivity with less economic output and low demand

dude

cheap means you are fucked

I mean generally if it's cheap, not relatively cheap

[fresh flower]

That's a UAV

They just copied the Sentinel drone

[hidden shore]

where is your eye

[fresh flower]

?

[hidden shore]

yeah it is better if we colonize them

[fresh flower]

That's a UAV

[hidden shore]

and exploit their recourse

[feral river]

we have a lot of choices to deal with them

[feral river]

already doing that for almost a decade

we are the only state that is directly extracting other's resources in 21th century

for America they are just buying free piece of crap with their money printing machine

[hidden shore]

Xian H-20

[feral river]

we are obviously taking huge advantage over it don't worry too much

[fresh flower]

That's not the H-20💀💀💀💀💀

How does a Chinese know less about China military than me

[feral river]

he's from Hong Kong that make sense

somebody from Hong Kong says it is the end of the world when our aircraft carrier visited that place

[hidden shore]

let them learn mandrain instead of english

[feral river]

even people from Taiwan are getting used to it

[hidden shore]

H - 20

[hidden shore]

i dont care

i called this H-20

[feral river]

unnecessary, why don't we just keep them more illterate

and send our people to that place

actually most of the African leaders would send their kids to Chinese school

[hidden shore]

yeah

there is only three counties that have Stealth Bombers

other ass counties does not built one

[turbid dome]

Clearly the engines at the back are different 2 vs 1 maybe?

[hidden shore]

great

let their god to built their stealth bombers

[turbid dome]

That looks like the one on the right is a smaller unmanned version

A UAV vs stealth bomber

[lime cobalt]

@hidden shore dude what is the 3rd flag ?

Soviet, china and …..

[fresh flower]

Left is the H-20, which is manned, right is the new UAV, CH-7

Lilil give me your social credits

[turbid dome]

Yeah looks right

[fresh flower]

You have brought great shame upon the CCP

[hidden shore]

military flag of china

Flag of the People's Liberation Army

[lime cobalt]

Ahh okay

[hidden shore]

do you guys have advacned war weapons?

pray your god, maybe your country got these weapons

[manic juniper]

Is that a little anus

[manic juniper]

I wonder if a Finnish person with epicanthic eye fold and Chinese naturalisation can easily join the CCP

Assuming they speak Chinese without a foreign accent

[turbid dome]

Very scary

[turbid dome]

That’s not the same as either, those are jet fighters

[fresh flower]

1 EMP vs Chinas military might who wins

[turbid dome]

The capitalists

[lime cobalt]

Does China not have protocols against EMP?

[crystal kayak]

Hello beautiful people

[lime cobalt]

Hi

[feral river]

you forgot there's one country called

🇺🇸 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

[crystal kayak]

You ruined my day

[lime cobalt]

[fresh flower]

Everyone does, it's just not on par with the US

[crystal kayak]

"In Africa if we find you introducing a man to another man ma ma"😂😂

[hidden shore]

for sure

[prisma cipher]

Blocked. Because useless thing

I'm like in Groundhog Day, the same person says the same thing over and over.

[fresh flower]

Discuss

[prisma cipher]

Discuss what, name of the viruse? Name is good

[fresh flower]

It's not the Chinese or Russians

[fresh flower]

That's literally me I'm so nice and innocent

[thorny steeple]

Ik

[crystal kayak]

Is def the Russians

[hoary glen]

[feral river]

looks not so delicious but sure we can cook that

[thorny steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852805796789354496/1364166120847966289/1349985270719582208.gif

[feral river]

why I didn't see gazans cooking cats if they are starving ?

they are not starving

[crystal kayak]

This is weird

[thorny steeple]

Why

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/167661427862142976/1400162570052177941/098410BDA72D64350C8B08F464EFCF14.gif

[crystal kayak]

@fresh flower Your bu is acting up again

[thorny steeple]

Who are u ?

[crystal kayak]

I don't know

[thorny steeple]

Okey sorry

[crystal kayak]

Thank you

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

It’s my faul being nice to ppl

[crystal kayak]

What

[thorny steeple]

Ntg u || broke my heart ||

[twilit holly]

Hi guys

How are you

[thorny steeple]

Hey henryyyy

[twilit holly]

I'm sad my life and I sucks

[thorny steeple]

Whyyyy

What happened

[twilit holly]

Nothing

I can't change my life

I'm tired of everything

Fucking gobernmenr

Fucking all

[thorny steeple]

No don’t say that

[twilit holly]

Fucking me , fucking all

[thorny steeple]

Life is hard but u can’t give up

Idk what’s your problem in life but whatever it is I mean u can be sad and be tired but u can’t never lose hope

[twilit holly]

The worst part is the next years are gonna horrible

[thorny steeple]

Why

Why so negative

U have to be positive

[twilit holly]

The reset bro, the new global economy, low and middle class are gonna desapire

We will be slaves used as a labor

It's already starting in my country, the companies are going away and there is less jobs to apply for

[thorny steeple]

Why where are u from ?

[crystal kayak]

How can I break your heart

[twilit holly]

Very soon the politicians will rule over the country and we will give us up to them for a kilogram of sugar .

[crystal kayak]

Don't bother he is a racist

[thorny steeple]

Where are u from?

[twilit holly]

I'm from latam

It wad suposed to grow , it had it all to develop

[thorny steeple]

Racist? Why

[twilit holly]

But no , the fuckinnng left

Me ?

Wtf I'm not a racist

I'm against Islamism

That's very diferent

[thorny steeple]

Bruh don’t give up u can build a garden in a desert
Nothing is impossible

[thorny steeple]

Why Your country destroyed because oh Islam?

[crystal kayak]

And he just revealed himself😂😂

[twilit holly]

No, don't mix it all

[crystal kayak]

Plus how did I break your heart

[hoary glen]

Latin America is mainly Catholic.

[twilit holly]

Not in my countrt

[thorny steeple]

U misunderstood me

[twilit holly]

It's 75% laic

[crystal kayak]

So if you are Catholic you must hate on other religions

[hoary glen]

No, Catholicism is a relatively secular religion in my opinion.

[crystal kayak]

Basically atheist

Or

[hoary glen]

[crystal kayak]

[crystal kayak]

What

[hoary glen]

Because their teachings have been modified over time

[crystal kayak]

Yeah I am lost

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[crystal kayak]

Bro still

[thorny steeple]

Bruh u misunderstood me when I send that cat

This

[crystal kayak]

I was joking I didn't know all this would happen

[thorny steeple]

At least u break my heart

[crystal kayak]

How can someones heart be broken btw like it is not made up of glass or like breakable material I wonder who came up with this

[thorny steeple]

It’s actually heart will break

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[crystal kayak]

It is a muscle thought how can it break it is not a bone maybe if you said I ripped your heart to shreds it makes sense but break

[thorny steeple]

Nah I it happened to me 4 time and 2 of them I couldn’t breathe

[crystal kayak]

I didn't even trigger any of those feelings

[thorny steeple]

I did

Damn it was so bad 😭

[crystal kayak]

What happened

[thorny steeple]

Heart breaking

[noble raven]

Everything ok?

[crystal kayak]

I could think of plenty of other things that is worse than this

[thorny steeple]

No

[crystal kayak]

Who broke it?? And which tool did they use

[thorny steeple]

Trust me nothing is worse like breaking heart

[noble raven]

[thorny steeple]

My heart every times will break when I think about || my brothers dead ||

[hoary glen]

what?

[noble raven]

How cold he!

[thorny steeple]

What?

[thorny steeple]

Who?😭

[hoary glen]

I see

[noble raven]

I thought you said something about a family member doing this. Did I misunderstand?

[crystal kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-12565004940729182637

[thorny steeple]

|| no I mean I lost 2 brothers of mine because of sickness ||

[thorny steeple]

Uhm

[hoary glen]

ah?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[crystal kayak]

Well I am glad I didn't break any hearts

[noble raven]

Oh! I’m sorry that happened.

[thorny steeple]

Thanks it’s along time ago so

[crystal kayak]

Sorry

[thorny steeple]

Thanks

[hoary glen]

This is indeed a bit sad

[thorny steeple]

Uhm

[tulip zenith]

stolen fr

[thorny steeple]

Noooo

[hybrid herald]

Hello

[crystal kayak]

Did you watch the barca game

[thorny steeple]

Hey akeny

[thorny steeple]

Yes I did

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[hybrid herald]

Ello

[thorny steeple]

Marhaba

[hybrid herald]

Yeah

Wsp

[late plover]

Or

[thorny steeple]

Ntg bored

[thorny steeple]

Shrimp guy

[hybrid herald]

Come to #🫂｜beginner-chat

[thorny steeple]

Ke

[late plover]

Shrimp farming is the future

invest azerbajian technology

[crystal kayak]

Barca got dog walked😂😂😂

[crystal kayak]

How can invest kind sir

[thorny steeple]

Just one game

[crystal kayak]

Levante remember them

One season wonder it is over for barca

[thorny steeple]

Look and learn and listen

We will do rimondata

[crystal kayak]

Dude don't you get it every team now knows how to play barca

[thorny steeple]

Let them 😏

We just lost one game

https://tenor.com/view/lamine-yamal-yamal-lamine-balde-barcelona-gif-17793301390107550837

[crystal kayak]

Bro you can see raphinia losing form yamal flopping and that high line is going to absolutely cooked by Chelsea,PSG and Madrid

[crystal kayak]

Basically barca is going to flop this season

[thorny steeple]

Madrid?

We have this man

https://tenor.com/view/hansiflick-flick-trainer-chapeau-fcb-gif-19168545

[crystal kayak]

Indeed have you seen how they play this season

[thorny steeple]

Yes they need hansi

[crystal kayak]

You are not understanding me levante cooked that high line raya also cooked them, imagine Xavi team now and PSGs rapid attackers and Chelseas long ball

[thorny steeple]

Ik they couldn’t buy any good players this summer

I hope they get better my Barcelona can’t lose

[crystal kayak]

Hansi might be sacked this season because he refuses to drop that high line which every team now knows how to exploit

[thorny steeple]

I heard hansi said he will leave if it’s go on like that

Is it right?

I heard that lamine and some of them talking against hansi

[crystal kayak]

I feel bad for you mbappes and vini will have a field day with this highline

[thorny steeple]

Who vini?

I heard that he will leave

[crystal kayak]

I don't think so it is just some of the barca players are developing a lot of ego and he just talked about that nothing else

[crystal kayak]

I don't think he is leaving

[thorny steeple]

Especially lamine I think he will destroy himself like Neymar

[crystal kayak]

Madrid takes every trophy this season

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-spit-drink-gif-15962434655473821932

No

[crystal kayak]

If he ends up ruining himself it is because of you guys

[thorny steeple]

Me why

Why meeeee

[crystal kayak]

Ain't no party like a lamine party

[crystal kayak]

Barca fans

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/lionel-messi-barcelona-barca-gif-20284101

[thorny steeple]

Why

[crystal kayak]

You guys glazed him so much now he thinks he is at the level of Ronaldo and messi

[crystal kayak]

Do you know what it meant

[thorny steeple]

Yes kiss

[thorny steeple]

U watch football with Arabic commentary?

[crystal kayak]

No I meant this statement "ain't no party like a lamine party" do you know what it means

[crystal kayak]

No

[thorny steeple]

No what’s that

Mean

[thorny steeple]

Damn howwwww then u never got excited to watch football

[crystal kayak]

We use to have peter Dury dude was a poet

[thorny steeple]

Arabic commentary making me cry💔

[crystal kayak]

Go search up peter Dury

[crystal kayak]

You are too innocent

[uncut tiger]

What's going on 💀💀

@feral river

[thorny steeple]

The meeting is in China and the funeral is at the White House

[thorny steeple]

U saw trump too with Europian countries?💀

[thorny steeple]

Ik tell me

[turbid dome]

Why is aliyev’s mustache so visible lmao

[heady galleon]

Messi it's the goat

[heady galleon]

Iraq?

[turbid dome]

Azerbaijan’s leader

[heady galleon]

Aaaaaa

[thorny steeple]

Ik he’s

[hidden shore]

Names all of these people

I only know xi and putin and baby kim

Xi really stand out in that position

Left is kim, right is putin, “big three “

[thorny steeple]

It’s a message for trump

[hidden shore]

Meanwhile trump was watching live stream

[thorny steeple]

He had a meeting with some Europian countries too I guess

[hidden shore]

I wonder how tall is putin and baby kim

[hidden shore]

[thorny steeple]

They can destroy your country just by one bomb

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-spit-drink-gif-15962434655473821932

[hidden shore]

that means their one bomb can destory the whole middle east

[thorny steeple]

Yes not gonna lie

[hidden shore]

[turbid dome]

Lukashenko on the right from Belarus

[hidden shore]

yeah

[tender vessel]

Let me break it down even further.

1. deduction and induction: which is based on a mind that you can't rely on if you believe it was accidentally formed for survival, not necessarily with the intention to reflect reality.

2. axioms (such as causality): which are indisputable necessities taken as presuppositions and are self-evident, you can only rely on them if you believe they came to be intentionally, otherwise, they are accidental and therefore not reliable or trustworthy.

3. cumulative knowledge: which is our ability to rely on past knowledge put forth by previous scientists and can be replicated to yield the same results. This is only meaningful if the universe is intentional, otherwise, we don't know or it's just chance-based, either ways laws of physics would be unreliable and unpredictable.

4. observation: which is actually the only source left in an atheistic world, but sadly, brute facts are nothing without all of the previous principles, so observation alone cannot produce knowledge.

These are even deeper sources of science than transparency and falsifiability, and they easily collapse in an atheistic worldview.
It's inherently incoherent.

[tender vessel]

Cry me a river.

[fringe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-boohoo-cry-baby-gif-10647085

[turbid dome]

Clearly evolution has yet to develop better logic

In some cases

[jolly agate]

Capitalists

[pastel dock]

hello

can anyone be my partner

[turbid dome]

💀

Points for honesty about intention ig

[hidden shore]

Trump is pissed that, he was not invited by china

[sweet rampart]

Hello @scenic idol

[urban swift]

Or laugh at you?

[eternal pine]

americans did help us a a lot during ww2, we appreciate that

[urban swift]

Oh boy! Look at this slowpoke.
Have you never deduce anything on your own? Or your mind is so much programmed and controlled by someone else?

Axioms are self evident true statements, because they demand chain of definitions for a general truth that can be understood with common sense. It was a tiring process to attach a chain of definitions just to understand 'a point is something that has no part'
So the mathematicians collectively agreed upon ditching the tiring process.
Axioms are reliable, reliable more than someone like you.someone like you who would ask an atom its religion if could get a chance lol

Do you really think cumulative knowledge and observations(observations are part of induction by the way) could be so wrong that it nullifies reality? You wouldn't be having internet, smartphones, astronauts, man-made objects across solar system, gps, satellites roaming around the earth etc
Do you know how much precision it needs to land on the moon or mars?
If these all were unreliable, nothing would have happened.

This person literally questioned basis of scientific theories just to insert a religious non religious agenda.
Although anyone can perform so many science experiments at home and deduce a conclusion out of it.
Anyone, anywhere on earth can perform these scientific theories and check it for themselves. They are 'universally applicable'. They have to go through so many cross questioning and testing before getting approved.
But religious claims like 'split the moon in half and stick it back together', 'shooting stars are Allah attacking the jinns' can't be criticised or allowed to be cross checked? Allow some scientists to do some research and testing on black stone.

These slowpokes' brain retires the moment self-questioning surfaces

[formal pilot]

I ain't reading aladat

[plush robin]

Should've add I'm happy for you tho at the end 😭

[plush robin]

This guy stitched together a Frankenstein of half-digested philosophy, pseudo-history of math, and appeals to shiny technology. He confused axioms with evidence, science with math, and technological success with epistemic certainty

[fleet rose]

hi everyone im new member

[plush robin]

Hello

[feral river]

He’s proud of his empty ground with his faith

I would say if you commit your faith on a piece of crap your life is done

Wasted

[untold nest]

Hey

[feral river]

He rarely wore a Zhongshan suit in this case

Which was also wore by Mao Zedong in the past

And Deng Xiaoping

For Hu Jintao or Jiang Zemin these former Chinese leaders they used to wear suits as the other leaders in other countries do

He’s at the center it’s very fitting the tradition which we had such culture of treating people based on their status

[feral river]

Lmao

We should invite Trump

If I was the General Secretary I will invite Trump and other leaders in the West

There’s a lot of drama that is going to happen if they would meet together

When EU and US leaders meet Putin with Kim Jong Un

And Benjamin Netanyahu

🤣

[viscid ferry]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

150 🤓

[twilit holly]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

70 🤓

[plush robin]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

149 🤓

[twilit holly]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-anger-rage-temper-tantrum-noo-gif-19623014

[turbid dome]

I ain't reading aladdin

[turbid dome]

Zhongshan suits look so good so makes sense

instant drip

[limber dagger]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

131 🤓

[rain lava]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

83 🤓

[rain lava]

Hell

[slender coral]

@vestal heron are you a fundamentalist?

[slender coral]

I'm not surprised

[rain lava]

@slender coral *iq

Make urs

Let me see it

[plush geyser]

.

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1259136462474055751.gif?size=160&name=اصلا+عادي

Lol

[rain lava]

Link

[slender coral]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

70 🤓

[slender coral]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

70 🤓

[slender coral]

[rain lava]

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[rain lava]

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[rain lava]

Im surprised

[tulip shuttle]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

143 🤓

[plush robin]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

149 🤓

[formal pilot]

Minecraft is definitely below 30

[uncut tiger]

I disagree

[hoary glen]

I disagree

[slender coral]

So smort

[slender coral]

Ultra smort

[plush robin]

thats only 1% of my power

[lavish river]

You aren't to decide your power limit

🙃

[plush robin]

??

[lavish river]

??

😴

[fringe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/aix-amu-aix-marseille-luminy-gif-20026323

[thorny steeple]

Well at least you worked hard till the end

[lime cobalt]

*iq

[tough trail]

Your IQ is

51 🤓

[lime cobalt]

thanks

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[tough trail]

Your IQ is

111 🤓

[arctic heart]

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[tough trail]

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111 🤓

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[main bison]

*IQ @main bison

[tough trail]

minereza's IQ is

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[plush geyser]

@thorny steeple from Israelies

But Hamas warriors are Palestinians from father to son

Lol
I'm sure uk that the netan is polish

Most of Israelies are from England and Europe

I'm from middle east

Lol

Even Europeans hate u weird creatures
Who was expecting that hahahah

That was funny ngl

Yeah yeah right
I forgot that middle east promised for y'all 3000 yo ago
Damn these ppl are dumbass

Go to Gaza see how IDF got dealed there

Without ur jets , the IDF would be buried in Gaza not the civilians they target

[turbid ivy]

So do you think it's the best way to wage war by kidnapping citizens who are Israelites but also who are foreigners?

[plush geyser]

So do u think it is the best way to get Palestinians jailed without any reason or any rights there and they keeping barking Abt human rights !!

[manic juniper]

Did someone copy my free Israel joke, it wasn't intended to support Israel btw at least copy it properly

[turbid ivy]

I didn't say I support that view. But I'm asking you, is it the best way to wage the war by kidnapping civilians or forefinger who just went there for the vacations? 🤔

That's a mistake.

1. Kidnapping Israelites.. inviting them fight with you..
2. Kidnapping American citizens, Indians, Nepalese, Mexican etc and etc..
   So inviting them to wage a war with you?

That just putting yourself in more trouble.. now you have made more enemies

[thorny steeple]

It's sad that the israel vs palestine thing is even a "debate" .

[turbid ivy]

Sure, it's been in a debate for centuries

[tulip shuttle]

Do u all think that amarican throw nuclear bomb in japan is just self defense not terrorism ?

[manic juniper]

It wasn't either of these

[tulip shuttle]

Then it was what ?

[turbid ivy]

Their sole purpose that they are more powerful so not to mess with them

[manic juniper]

Have Japan surrender as soon as possible

[turbid ivy]

But I take the side of Japane

You don't have to afraid

[tulip shuttle]

But that cause to over than 100k innocent ppl to die

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

People are mad for the powers and fame.. look at hungry gold diggers
That's al politics of sins

[tulip shuttle]

But that doesn’t clear their guilty of killing over than 100k innocent ppl

[manic juniper]

Who said it did

[turbid ivy]

Now I'll eat few meat

Tiffin time

[tulip shuttle]

Yea they’re just foolish they just care about what does the world see them

[tulip shuttle]

Alot of magazines u can just google it

[thorny steeple]

Those magazines are funded by zio jews tho

[tulip shuttle]

So the nuclear bomb didn’t kill anybody ?

[thorny steeple]

It did but what i am saying is , the Americans don't hold the view that it was a good thing to drop the bomb , atleast the current generation.

[tulip shuttle]

But they did it twice and a lot of ppl r still surviving from that

If they just did it once i might could explain it but twice is insane

[thorny steeple]

You can't blame people for what the government did is the point , most Americans "Today" are against it

Maybe back then they were being fed propaganda

Just like we have today

[thorny steeple]

Majority of people with a brain agree that in today's world we all have a common enemy which is the zio jews. And i advocate for uniting against them

[manic juniper]

This person is asking weird questions

[turbid ivy]

I don't think you can do anything to them

[thorny steeple]

Hi everbody

[turbid ivy]

[bleak hedge]

Hello can anyone help me learning fluent English

[scarlet quail]

chatting in this server and usually joining voice chat

😇

[tender vessel]

LMFAO! Your response was so ass that someone else cut to the core of it with a single line message.
Shout out to @plush robin ! ✨

[steel fox]

Science could never evaluate this drama of flake beings 🥀

[feral river]

It doesn’t have to since it’s proven that whoever don’t believe or would blindly follow something on the fictional book under the sake of god or allah will take disadvantage against natural selection

All we need is time, time will purify all of these fucking crap

Don’t worry

[lime cobalt]

Yess pleasee

[feral river]

Our friend Israel is accelerating the process 🇮🇱

[lime cobalt]

Tell putin to make the flag red again !!

[steel fox]

How so?

[tender vessel]

By committing a genocide against innocent civilians.

[boreal thorn]

I could help. Where are you from

[steel fox]

Exactly, but knuckleheads and cracked ppl who support israel could never understand it

[boreal thorn]

Who?

[fresh flower]

Remember to drink water and pee guys

[uncut tiger]

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/mourinho-jose-what-is-this-why-gif-12163147

[uncut tiger]

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[turbid ivy]

But why islam

[thorny steeple]

أَفَلَمْ يَسِيرُوا۟ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَتَكُونَ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌۭ يَعْقِلُونَ بِهَآ أَوْ ءَاذَانٌۭ يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا ۖ فَإِنَّهَا لَا تَعْمَى ٱلْأَبْصَـٰرُ وَلَـٰكِن تَعْمَى ٱلْقُلُوبُ ٱلَّتِى فِى ٱلصُّدُورِ ٤٦

Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind.

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/im-just-a-girl-girl-coquette-your-honor-slay-gif-6306232694455712215

[turbid ivy]

https://apologetics-101.com/islam

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-spit-drink-gif-15962434655473821932

[turbid ivy]

wot

[thorny steeple]

“He claimed “
That’s what anti Islamic say

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-6815166390687140758

[turbid ivy]

I provided the sources tho

https://tenor.com/view/pepega-dance-van-damme-pepega-green-dance-frog-face-dancing-frog-gif-17604028063184865858

[thorny steeple]

Good keep searching

Allāhumma ṣalli ʿalā Muḥammad wa ʿalā āli Muḥammad, kamā ṣallayta ʿalā Ibrāhīma wa ʿalā āli Ibrāhīm, innaka Ḥamīdu-m-Majīd, Allāhumma bārik ʿalā Muḥammad, wa ʿalā āli Muḥammad, kamā bārakta ʿalā Ibrāhīma wa ʿalā āli Ibrāhīm, innaka Ḥamīdu-m-Majīd.

[turbid ivy]

well refuted tho

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad was not a good guy

You shouldn't follow him, he lied 2 billions people.

[thorny steeple]

Allāhumma ṣalli ʿalā Muḥammad wa ʿalā āli Muḥammad, kamā ṣallayta ʿalā Ibrāhīma wa ʿalā āli Ibrāhīm, innaka Ḥamīdu-m-Majīd, Allāhumma bārik ʿalā Muḥammad, wa ʿalā āli Muḥammad, kamā bārakta ʿalā Ibrāhīma wa ʿalā āli Ibrāhīm, innaka Ḥamīdu-m-Majīd.

[turbid ivy]

https://apologetics-101.com/muhammad-thought-alexander-the-great-is-dhul-qarnain-🤓/

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/dodgeball-ben-stiller-youre-funny-joke-maker-joke-gif-5487857

[turbid ivy]

You seem really angry

[thorny steeple]

Me no I’m drinking my cola with baklava rn

And I have never been that happy

[turbid ivy]

🤔

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ekoi-ekoi-dancekid-dancekid-gif-10799637110820905144

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-gif-5276968236851241903

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-cat-stare-staring-cat-cat-staring-cat-gif-17695694

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-angry-gif-1976276352290102621

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-scared-scared-cat-nervous-gif-14606833151718236597

[tender vessel]

The amount of Islamophobia and deception present in a single blog post is truly unprecedented.
Also, "the doctrine of the Trinity" emerged only in the 4th century AD, that's 400 years apart from Jesus. I wonder what Christians used to believe before Council of Nicaea and Church fathers developed and established such an incoherent concept.

[turbid ivy]

Try to refute any of the things from the blog

[turbid ivy]

Which church father after the 4th century created teh trinity?

[tender vessel]

It's a big fat blog worth of Islamophobia and deception. I'd probably need to write books to deal with all of that. So, nah.

[turbid ivy]

4th century stuff is also refuted in the same blog, if you go to NEw Testament qa

[turbid ivy]

Well, i wrote that within a month

I didnt took a lot for me to write it

[sick pollen]

Hello everyone

[turbid ivy]

none of the things are false dude, check the sources

[feral river]

关于要打多久，我们现在不能下决定，也就是他们要打多久就打多久，一直打到完全胜利。

Regarding to issue of how much time we are going to fight, we can't have a conclusion right now, that means if they are going to fight, we will continue to fight, until we achieve complete victory - Mao Zedong

**LONG LIVE THE WAR ON TERROR 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇫🇷 **

[tender vessel]

Tertullian, Athanasius, and Augustine to name a few.
I guess Tertullian was the first to put the term "Trinity". Fun fact, some of his teachings were later rejected by the Church.

[tender vessel]

I'll read it when I have the time, InShaAllah.

[tender vessel]

You can write something in one minute that requires walls of text to refute.

[feral river]

my greatest way of refute was the F-35 on the sky and IDF soldiers eliminating every terrorist who had some stupid ideal

[tender vessel]

Lol. You realize you're talking to a Muslim, right? We've dealt with your "sources" countless times.
In fact, there isn't a single claim made by non-Muslims against Islam that hasn't been rigorously refuted decades ago. I don't have to deal with recycled garbage. It's a waste of time and energy.

[plush geyser]

YEAAAAAAH
SHE ALREADY MENTIONED THE WHOLE TERROR COUNTRIES
Lol

[turbid ivy]

https://apologetics-101.com/archives/390

[turbid ivy]

Sure

[turbid ivy]

Did you know what kinda refutations that they try to show?

Sources like this and that scholar said so.. actually that's not what you see in the quran neither in hadiths.

So a scholar said so hence it would be that way when the quran is not even addressing what scholar is saying, in fact it's contradicting the main sources

That kinda refution they present,, sometimes they dont even present any sources, they just move on from it .. they say im not that knowledgeable.. dude, it's the time to gain knowledge about

But if i got to the guy who knows something.. he says well this and that scholar said xyz so im refuted..

Eeh.. so refuation is the scholar when he says something not really alinged with the mainline sources? Tha'ts not refuation

that's still a prblem

For example.. about the preservation of the quran,.. we know 5 sucklings verse is missing from the quran the witness is Asiah the wife of muhammad. But if you got scholars who came way after him presented no soruces where they got that from.. like Al Nawawi came in 13th century.. he said well aha that's actully abrogated in reciation but not ruling.. but buddy where did you get that from? WHat's the chain of your claim,, which hadith are you quoting? No sources, trust me bro. THat's not a reufation.

Hence we can say the quran has verses missing

That contrdicts surah 15.9 btw

And that makes isalm totally false, i dont have to go to far

[fresh flower]

Walls of text???

[tender vessel]

Nobody said Trinity suddenly emerged in the 4th century, that's a strawman. The concept of the Trinity was definitely a work in progress before the 4th century. However, apart from the fact that all of your patristic evidence cited are people at least 50-100 years after Jesus, some of them don't even mention worshiping Jesus or that the father, the son, and the holy spirit are co-equal co-eternal etc...
Not to mention the existence of opposing beliefs even in the 1st century and probably prior such as Ebionites, who denied the divinity of Jesus while establishing his prophethood and Messiahship.

[turbid ivy]

That's nothing wrong with that, if they are 50 years after jesus.. well, then they are very much learned and familiar with the christians before them.

[tender vessel]

Unlike early Christians, we as Muslims don't attribute divine authority (acting in God's name) to scholars, we don't have priests.
So, your statement is outright false. Even if a scholar contradict Qur'an or Sunnah in one of his teachings or opinions, they are instantly rejected by Muslims and other Islamic scholars, not to mention the amount of scholarly criticism and refutation those opinions would receive.

[turbid ivy]

That's a very miniority group.. they also denied the virgin birth,, now dont play the game that they were muslims

[turbid ivy]

Well, then those arguments cant be refuted

Plus they beleived jesus died on the cross

in fact there were types of ebionites

there were not just one type of

but there were almost 3-4 types of them

[tender vessel]

How can I confirm someone's reliability and trustworthiness if he's years apart from Jesus and speaking about his teachings? In Islamic science of Hadith this is called Munqati' (disconnected), which is one type of Da'eef (weak) degrees of sources.
In case you don't know, Da'eef means rejected and unreliable, i.e., not considered part of the Islamic doctrine or teachings.

[turbid ivy]

most of them were coming from the 2nd century

[turbid ivy]

The very much early source would be disciples of aposltes and their writings

If you dont take them.. you can take the sources of Paul, he would be the most early source, because he personally met aposltes

[tender vessel]

Never said they are. Though opposition existed even at the time some Christians were attempting to develop the doctrine of the Trinity to reconcile the divinity of Jesus with the partially monotheistic aspect of Judaism.

[turbid ivy]

putting aside gospels... let's just go through the early sources

the writings of paul

[tender vessel]

Sure, everybody probably did. Qur'an says it was made to appear so. So, we pretty much expect most if not all of them to believe he was crucified, so there isn't any gutcha here.

[turbid ivy]

Again Ebionities made distinction between christ and Jesus

They say christ left Jesus to die alone

So, christ is diferent perosn than jesus

where in islam jesus i the christ..

[tender vessel]

You mean like Irenaeus of Lyons who claimed to be the disciple of Polycarp and also claimed that Polycarp was the disciple of John? That's not how it works, bud.

[turbid ivy]

We can verify Peter, that he said Paul's letters are scripture, plus the books of acts, Luke wrote that Paul met disciples of jesus and they together preached

So there is no way it's a mere claim of Paul

Plus we know when he died

So obs you can see that he met the disiples

[formal pilot]

Jesus is king

[steel fox]

Should we? 😔

[fresh flower]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

We shouldn't hate nobody, this what Jesus our God teaches us

[fresh flower]

Idk, that sounds weird, I think you can make that an exception

[tender vessel]

You mean Paul the apostle? Yeah, he is the father of modern-day Christianity, most Christians are probably following Paul not Jesus, that's because Paul literally said the main source of his writings are visions and "revelations".
Do you know where would that place him if he would to be a Hadith narrator? He would either be Kadhdhāb (liar), Munkar al-ḥadīth (Rejected in hadith), Mukhtaliṭ (delusional), or even Matrūk (abandoned). He literally disagreed with some of Jesus' direct disciples according to Christians, e.g., James and Peter.
Why would you think he holds any authority at all? One cannot get any more deviated than that.

[tender vessel]

Again, I've never said they are right or that they hold same beliefs about Jesus as Muslims, but the fact there wasn't a consensus on the Trinity even in the 1st century AD implies that it's a made up concept.

[thorny steeple]

Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing" (Luke 23:34). It's forgiveness

[solemn frost]

Luke 23:34 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<34> And Jesus said," Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." And they cast lots to divide his garments.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[formal pilot]

Luke 14:26

[solemn frost]

Luke 14:26 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<26>" If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[turbid dome]

Religion at its finest

[thorny steeple]

Well it starts with education every revolution starts with making people aware first , majority are unaware

In order to be a disciple, we must be willing to give up everything for Jesus. Following Jesus requires commitment and faithfulness, even if our parents choose not to follow the Lord. If and when we are faced with the painful choice of loyalty to family versus loyalty to Jesus, we must choose Jesus. Even if our family members disown us—or worse—for being Christians, we must follow Christ. It is in this sense that we are “hating” our family. Jesus’ command to “hate father and mother” requires us to prioritize our relationship with Jesus over our relationship with parents, siblings, and other family members. https://www.gotquestions.org/hate-father-mother.html

[formal pilot]

for the record Christians believe that 'hate' here isn’t meant in the emotional or hostile sense, , it conveyed priority and allegiance

[thorny steeple]

If verses had truly been lost, the Companions would have immediately noticed and never accepted it. The fact that there was no uprising and that the Qur’an has been unanimously transmitted shows that this was not a loss but abrogation a divinely intended removal. Therefore, Surah 15:9 stands: the Qur’an is complete and preserved. Remember, there were the Ridda Wars simply because some refused to pay Zakah after the Prophet ﷺ passed away, claiming it was only due to him. If such wars arose over Zakah, imagine what would have happened if entire verses of the Qur’an had actually disappeared.

[turbid dome]

lol I still doubt hate was used that way but sure

[thorny steeple]

This christian vs muslim debate is useless now tbh , we have way bigger problems to solve , we have a common enemy , we should be uniting instead

[formal pilot]

well atleast we can say God is narcissistic

[spice bobcat]

Nobody's safe today 😼

[turbid dome]

Yup, he’s perfectly moral but also has a huge ego, therefore he’s either not perfectly moral or being a narcissist is what everyone should strive to be

[thorny steeple]

What are these common enemy ?

[thorny steeple]

Zio jews

[turbid dome]

Zio 💀

[tender vessel]

Well, they shouldn't support them, at least.
Christians usually attack Muslims who primarily believe in Jesus and hold him in high regards than those who literally call him demon-possessed and blasphemer, not to mention humiliating and killing him, and some sources even mention being spat on by them.
And Evangelical Christians even take it to the next level (zio-Christians).

[thorny steeple]

Even zio christians are creation of zio jews through brainwashing and scoffield bible

So it all tracks back to zio jews if you wanna go down the rabbit hole

[turbid dome]

Nah it was just that Christians were antisemitic and wanted to get Jews away from them and to the desert, so they created Christian Zionism

Brainwashing though💀

Crazy

[tender vessel]

Lol. That's probably the most correct thing I hear today.

[turbid ivy]

By what source do you say we are merely following Paul but not Jesus ?

[thorny steeple]

I think we have to make a distinction here

1. There are Christians who support it coz it will speed up the process of the return of christ ( which is dumb)
2. The things I said about the scoffield bible and brainwashing

Look up scoffield bible

[turbid ivy]

Paul didn't disagree with them.. so are you now saying Paul met them?

[turbid dome]

Well yeah, 1 is dumb, 2 is a conspiracy theory not actually based on reality, that actually plays on the classic “Jewish financier” tropes

[formal pilot]

He's also an evil troll

[turbid dome]

True

[turbid ivy]

How do you prove those people are coming from the first century?

Where I cited the gospels, letters of Paul which are coming from the 1st century

[formal pilot]

Don't get me wrong but you pfp looks like POV gay corn

[turbid dome]

Ok that’s devastating

[turbid ivy]

Not so, the Trinity is very much seen in the gospels and the letters of Paul

[formal pilot]

I lied, it looks great lol

[turbid dome]

Ok lmao

[thorny steeple]

Conspiracy theory how ? Lol it has literally been proven look it up . The non zio Christians have admitted that, people like andrew wilson have confirmed it

[turbid dome]

I looked it up and it says it’s not true, so maybe let’s see what source material you have

[turbid ivy]

Actually they did.. such as Aisha. Aisha says that verse was revealed in the quran. Infact after the death of Muhammad Muslims were arguing on whose quran is right and whose wrong.. because they had different different numbers of chapters in the Koran. Ibn Masood had 112 surahs.. ubay had 116 surahs.. and uthamnic standardised quran we see has 114 surahs. Plus from uthamnic quran if we see today that verse is clearly missing.

[turbid ivy]

Has nothing to do with Christianity. Keep this propaganda with yourself

[thorny steeple]

Lemme guess kosher sources ? Lol

[turbid dome]

lol you’re not so slick bud.

[turbid ivy]

There is no supporting verses that it says we gotta support Judaism for coming of the christ.. can I see those verses?

[thorny steeple]

u guys are still arguing with the Witcher

[turbid ivy]

Seriel killer 🙃

[thorny steeple]

Yes?

[turbid ivy]

Maritini has blocked me cause last time he wasn't able to breathe 😔

[turbid ivy]

Are you actually in Murder and in execution?

[thorny steeple]

أَفَلَمْ يَسِيرُوا۟ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَتَكُونَ لَهُمْ قُلُوبٌۭ يَعْقِلُونَ بِهَآ أَوْ ءَاذَانٌۭ يَسْمَعُونَ بِهَا ۖ فَإِنَّهَا لَا تَعْمَى ٱلْأَبْصَـٰرُ وَلَـٰكِن تَعْمَى ٱلْقُلُوبُ ٱلَّتِى فِى ٱلصُّدُورِ ٤٦

Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind.

[thorny steeple]

nah dude they had different personal collections because some of them included supplications that they treated as surahs, but in the end under Uthman all of them accepted this version of Quran und there werent any revolt or something

[turbid ivy]

Yeah he's blind ik

[thorny steeple]

ure blind we know

[turbid ivy]

So you are saying they were wrong about the numbers of surahs in the Quran? And suddenly uthaman came in and standardised a new Koran and burned the all copies?

Plus those two people I cited were early reciters and have been told by Muhammad that they are the best of the reciters

[tender vessel]

By Paul himself. In 2 Corinthians 12:1-10 he claims that he is literally receiving visions and revelations from the Lord. So, if you believe in his writings, you're basically taking his word for it with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

[solemn frost]

2 Corinthians 12:1-10 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

Paul's Visions and Revelations

<1> I must boast; there is nothing to be gained by it, but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. <2> I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. <3> And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— <4> and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter. <5> On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses. <6> Though if I wish to boast, I shall not be a fool, for I shall be speaking the truth. But I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me. <7> And to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. <8> Three times I besought the Lord about this, that it should leave me; <9> but he said to me," My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." I will all the more gladly boast of my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. <10> For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

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[turbid ivy]

It seems early Muslims were confused and Muhammad didn't tell them how many surahs are supposed to be in the Koran

[turbid dome]

Isn’t that what every religious figure does though? I mean, none of the other prophets had any evidence either

[turbid ivy]

There is nothing wrong for Paul to receive the revelations.. if you mean recieving a revelation is unreliable then islam is false cause the entire quran is supposed to be the revelation

[turbid ivy]

oh leally?

[hidden shore]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1zSbPziELZ/?spm_id_from=333.1007.tianma.4-1-11.click&vd_source=68377e1afe984ba039408b82336b8633

indian game

i want to paly

[turbid dome]

Bilibili

[hidden shore]

2026

[thorny steeple]

the differebces you mention werent about believing in a different Quran. Ibn masud didnt list al Fatiha and the last two surahs as separate headings, but he recited them in prayer. Ubayy included two personal supplications and wrote them with surah titles. so the content was the same these differences were in notation not in revelation

[hidden shore]

yeah?

[turbid dome]

Nothing it’s just fun to say

[thorny steeple]

and the caliph uthman didnt invent a new Quran. He standardized the existing text to prevent confusion from dialect and personal notes. The major of companions including ibn masud and ubayy accepted his

[eager geyser]

how to talk to american?

[turbid ivy]

It's a different Quran.. when the later quran has verses and surah missing. Or it adds.. and few times later it adds or removes.. that's called corruption. How many surahs supposed to be in the Qur'an?
112/ 114 / 116?

[hidden shore]

crazy

[turbid ivy]

Oo so earlier than him people had 112 and 116 surahs he suddenly came with 114 surahs and he forced Muslims from Basra to get the copy and guess what...he burned them.. this is how he made his own quran

In fact he used his power to since he wa a Caliph and you know what's the punishment for not obeying the caliph

It was Ubay of Masood influenced his followers to hide the copy and go give it to Uthman

[tender vessel]

Paul taught the Jews to abolish practicing the law while the disciples are telling him why are you doing that.
Abolishing the law is basically against Jesus's teachings in the bible. He said he came to fulfill not to abolish, and the disciples preached that laws are still binding and practiced them.
That's one example of how Paul is literally making up his own religion which Christians of today follow.

I'm not saying anything about him meeting the disciples. I'm using your own sources to prove Paul is neither authoritative nor credible.

[thorny steeple]

i explained it to you... the Quran has always 114 surahs, under uthman they burned added things like from dialect or personal notes to have a standard quran which all companions accepted.

do you really think the same companions who fought the persian and roman empires at the same time, were somehow afraid to oppose Uthman if he had changed the Quran?

[tender vessel]

I don't have to prove anything, your sources are the ones claiming it. Irenaeus for instance mentioned them in 180 AD as being Jewish Christians who rejected Paul.

[turbid ivy]

Paul didn't say don't follow the law. Paul was just saying the law doesn't justify a person to be a righteous. In order to support it.. he quotes Genesis.. Abraham believed in God and he was credited as righteous. It's not a new invention but it's literllay the torah.

[turbid ivy]

Oo always had? So if the Quran had always 114 Surah...were his close disciples confused about the numbers of Surahs?

[turbid ivy]

It was in the time of Irenaeus.. since those people we notice appeared in the 2nd century. No 1st centurion mentions Ebonites appearing at the first century

No apostles writings or any other writings or historian mentions that Ebonites appeared at the first century

[thorny steeple]

@turbid ivy can i ask you about consistent standard? If texutal variants and multiple canons are a problem how is that resolved in your own tradition? Lets apply the same standard to both and compare fairly

[turbid ivy]

Im actually using the standard of Allah surah 15.9
It seems he failed to preserve his word. This makes islam false. Because by own criteria, it's falling to keep the promise.

It seems we have now established that Islam can't be true in any way because not preservation of the Quran and making a false promise are the relevant evidence for it.

[tender vessel]

I already proved Paul isn't very much a reliable source, and the Trinity in the gospels is an interpretation, there isn't a single mention of the Trinity in either of the canonical gospels (Mark, Luke, John, and Matthew). There are only footnotes added by translators.
In fact, we've got verses in the bible that directly contradict the concept of the Trinity, like Jesus saying the father is greater than him in John 14:28 for example, which means they are not co-equal as preached, or claiming that the father is the only TRUE God in John 17:3, which means neither the son nor the holy spirit are God.
You can only rely on obscure verses and interpret them in non-obvious ways to bring the Trinity. That's like twisting some text to fit your agenda.

[turbid ivy]

But in Christianity we don't have such promises like word for Word. The Christian message is preserved either by the written documents or by oral Teachings.

[thorny steeple]

nah you have to choose the standard:

• if you accept preservation despite canon differences and variants in your own tradition, then calling the Quran "corrupt" despite an unifield 114-surah canon and mass memorization is inconsitent.

• if your standard demands verbatim uniformity from the start, then be consistent and explain which christian canon meets it, and why acknowledged cariant dont violate it.

[thorny steeple]

oh thats crazy

if christiantiy doent even claim word for word preservation and you still accept it as preserved in message, then its inconsistent to reject islam, which does claim and demonstrate exact wording through 114 surahs, mass memorization and early manuscripts. Demanding perfection from islam while accepting less for your own tradition is a double standard

[tender vessel]

I don't think Paul is considered a prophet, but even if we assume he is, other prophets come with miracles and prophecies to back up and prove their claims.
We've rejected countless self-proclaimed prophets, why would we do that if we are just following whoever pop ups with baseless prophethood claims.
Prophet Muhammad PBUH for instance brought prophecies that are time-bound, people-bound etc... that are not generic, and later accurately fulfilled as prophesied.

[turbid ivy]

So getting a revelation makes not reliable? By your own standard Mohamamd is not reliable. Is there any word in the quran that mentioned as Tawhid?

The word doesnt matter, the matter is the concept. There is pretty good reasons to say that was not added by schoalrs. I have refuted that argument as well. Oh but Jesus also says I and the father are one,, or if you have seen me seen the father, the father is in me and i in the father, before abraham was i am..

So defi that claims to be God.

[tender vessel]

Ah, this discussion wasted enough of my time. I'm disengaging.

[turbid ivy]

THere is nothing as not preserved in christianity unless like quran, verse missing

[thorny steeple]

What's your denomination?

[turbid ivy]

It doesnt have to .. cause the message is cleary preserved.

im using your own critera to critic your belief. it's not conistent with own critera

[turbid ivy]

Reformed

[frail tinsel]

What’s your race?

[turbid ivy]

If the religion cannot be faithful itself.. then way it's not lying to you.. proving it's not honest, it lies.. and makes not trsutworthy

[glossy radish]

what religion r insinuating abt

[frail tinsel]

@shell bison okay that’s true I did not know that about the poppy seeds

[turbid ivy]

amma christian

[glossy radish]

ok soo which religion are u poinitng out here

[turbid ivy]

Islam

[shell bison]

It’s okay because you learn new things every day Alhamdulillah .

[turbid ivy]

It seems you are a muslim

[glossy radish]

what do u think is unfaithful about

[shell bison]

I encourage you to study Afghan history .

[thorny steeple]

come on witcher.. the longer ending of mark, John 7:53-8:11 the woman caught in adultery, 1 John 5:7 (the "comma Joanneum" about the trinity in late manuscripts) etc.

[solemn frost]

John 7:53-8:11 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

The Woman Caught in Adultery

<53> They went each to his own house, <8:1> but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. <2> Early in the morning he came again to the temple; all the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. <3> The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst <4> they said to him," Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. <5> Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such. What do you say about her?" <6> This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. <7> And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them," Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." <8> And once more he bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. <9> But when they heard it, they went away, one by one, beginning with the eldest, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. <10> Jesus looked up and said to her," Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" <11> She said," No one, Lord." And Jesus said," Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin again."

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1 John 5:7 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<7> And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

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[turbid ivy]

Everthing, there is no truth in it.. for instance
https://apologetics-101.com/islam

[turbid ivy]

I have alrady refuted all of them dude
https://apologetics-101.com/manuscript-difficulties

[glossy radish]

gimman an example

[turbid dome]

Yeah you’re right that he’s not a prophet, but he’s as close as can be.

What miracles and prophecies have been evidenced? And what specific prophecies were fulfilled?

[frail tinsel]

Alhamdulilah, I love our country just don’t want it to go down the drain

[turbid ivy]

The link i posted is full of examples but i will make a simple example.

When muhamad was caught commiting jinah with a slave girl that he was not married with. He promised his wives not to do that, but his wife again came back from al manasi and found him doing it, this time he made an excuse, he said i got a revelation from God, God made halal for me..

[glossy radish]

thats sooo wrong lol

[turbid ivy]

God fulfilling the sexual desires.. we can clearly notice he was lying

[glossy radish]

the prophet never committed any type of adultery

[shell bison]

It is being rebuilt after 20 years of war and bloodshed , we need to give it time and Tawakkal Allah .

In sha Allah the schools for women will also re open very soon .

[turbid ivy]

Yes that's wrong, hence, that's one example how he commited such crimes, but instead of repenting he did it again and try to make it justify by using God's name.. he failed as husband and failed to repent.

[glossy radish]

tell me the exact surah

[turbid ivy]

Is adultery having sexual intercourse of the marriage?

[thorny steeple]

Indo aryan

[glossy radish]

having sexual relationships with someone who is not ur spouse is adultery

[turbid ivy]

surah 66:1-5
Just read Tafsir al jalayan on it, you can also find that in Ibn kathir, but only in arabic version, in english translation they have removed it cause Ibn kathir is a popular well known scholar

[turbid ivy]

Good now read sunan an nasai 3959

[glossy radish]

oki

[frail tinsel]

Insha’Allah do you live there rn?

[shell bison]

Yes I live in Kabul .

[frail tinsel]

Ahh kheili zendegi ya Afghanistan

[turbid ivy]

here as you can see now lets' read quran surah 66:1-5, it's found in the quran btw

[glossy radish]

i read it there was no mention of adultery it was just about all his wives

he didnt have any intercourse with someone other than his wives

[turbid ivy]

Did you read the above hadith?

[glossy radish]

lemme check that too

[turbid ivy]

He never married that woman, did you know what name she had?

[shell bison]

Matlab tse dai ?

[glossy radish]

she did

she was married

to him

[fresh flower]

How many wives did he have?

[frail tinsel]

Long life to Afghanistan

[glossy radish]

multiple

[turbid ivy]

Did you know what name she had?

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Allah has already ordained for you [Muslims] the dissolution of your oaths. And Allah is your protector, and He is the Knowing, the Wise. And [remember] when the Prophet confided to one of his wives a statement; and when she informed [another] of it and Allah showed it to him, he made known part of it and ignored a part. And when he informed her about it, she said, “Who told you this?” He said, “I was informed by the Knowing, the Acquainted.” If you two [wives] repent to Allah, [it is best], for your hearts have deviated. But if you cooperate against him – then indeed Allah is his protector, and Gabriel and the righteous of the believers and the angels, moreover, are [his] assistants. Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you [all], would substitute for him wives better than you – submitting [to Allah], believing, devoutly obedient, repentant, worshipping, and traveling – [ones] previously married and virgins.
O you who have believed, protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, over which are [appointed] angels, harsh and severe; they do not disobey Allah in what He commands them but do what they are commanded.
surah 66:1-6

[urban swift]

Interesting is how he captured his wife safiya bint*

[fresh flower]

Captured?

[glossy radish]

it was allowed at the time, laws slowly were implied

[fresh flower]

🤔🤔🤔

[glossy radish]

first alcohol was allowed too

[turbid ivy]

So he was not married to her?

[glossy radish]

they slowly started restraining everything

[glossy radish]

it was a halal relationship under islamic laws of the time

[turbid ivy]

when did allah forbid to not to have intercourse with slaves?

[glossy radish]

there r many instances of christianity in this way too

[turbid ivy]

Ooh so now you concead that he never married her but like a bf gf aka he was just sleeping with her?

[glossy radish]

later on, and his wives knew about the woman

it was not cheating

[urban swift]

Killed her whole tribe, father, husband and made her have sex with him on his way back home after the massacre

[turbid ivy]

Later when? because if we read surah 66 allah threatens his wives because they criticized his relationship with an unmarried woman. Allah even went to far he threatens them that he would gonna put them in hell

[fresh flower]

Is this allegorical like most of the bible or did he do that fr

[glossy radish]

at that time it was allowed to have intercourse with a slave with their permit they slowly started permitting rules if they had done everything all of a sudden people would rebel its quite logical

islam slowly imposed stuff

it was not sudden

[turbid ivy]

Is that a kind of example that a man should follow and tell lies to his wives while cheating behind their back with a diff woman that he is not married to?
THis doesnt sound like a man who really loves his wives

[glossy radish]

he didnt lie to his wives

[thorny steeple]

L bruh , Catholics and Orthodox are the only based ones lol

[glossy radish]

his wives were aware about her

all of this was already allowed at the time even in christianity

they slowly started imposing stuff

for people

[turbid ivy]

wait a minute,, islam even forbids to ask the permission of wife to have intercourse.. it forces them to have sex with hubabnds.. but slaves get more rights than free muslim women?

[glossy radish]

this was the norm

[glossy radish]

nope

its a mutual consent

if either doesnt want to they dont

but allah also says

[turbid ivy]

Ohh so he suddenly got caught and he said i promise i dont do that again, but couple of hours he wife came back home, and found him lying with his slave girl in her own bed

[glossy radish]

that if either the husband doesnt tc of their spousess needs they will be sinful

[glossy radish]

no they were already aware of it but they felt jealousy so the promised stopped and apologized to his wives but as per the law of the time it was allowed

this was a culture norm

and it wasnt introduced by islam

[turbid ivy]

Aha mutual consent betwen a muslim man and his slaves, or a muslim and his wives?

Cause i can show you hadiths where prophet taught that a woman shouldnt' deny for intercourse, even if they are travelling on a camel's saddle. otherise angels will curse her till morning. That's called forcing and giving no option to reject it.

But you are saying consents with slaves.. slaves now seem getting more rights than free muslim women. But clealry it's not true

[glossy radish]

i justified them

and u denied my justifications

ignoring my points

[fresh flower]

Too many Muslims and Christians here

[glossy radish]

so skill issue af

[fresh flower]

I will rp as a Hindu

[turbid ivy]

WHy is he apolgizing if it was allowed?
He could jsut say it's allowed, makes no sense if it was so common

[glossy radish]

becz he was a soft hearted man

he did not want to hurt his wives sentiments

[turbid ivy]

So God accepted the pagan culture norms?

[glossy radish]

god slowly iimposed the rules it wasnt restrained drastically

[turbid ivy]

No he wasn't, we know he was laughing when he was wives were getting beaten 😭

[glossy radish]

sure bro

none of his wife ever got hurt

he took alot of care of em

[turbid ivy]

Ahah but it was culture norms, it was so normal.. why would they get hurt?

[glossy radish]

skill issues aaa ignoring my points

[turbid ivy]

Should i show you the hadiths?

[glossy radish]

human nature

[turbid ivy]

Caring of them is that when Sawdah became old, when her beauty vanished away, he suddnely tried to divorce and started to spend more time with his young wives like Aisha

[glossy radish]

no false

surah or hadith please

i wont listen to ur imaginary examples

becz u dont use logic

and act like ur religion had restricted everything beforehand

islam imposed stuff in a very decent way

[turbid ivy]

This is called taking care husband? Imagine when you get old and now your husband wants to divorce you and dating young women? Is that called very kind, gentle and take caring husband? sounds oppoiste tho

[turbid ivy]

Let me show you

[glossy radish]

proof hadith please or surah

[fresh flower]

Most men would do that though if they could 💀

[glossy radish]

they arent men then

pathetic losers

[fresh flower]

It's common 💔

[glossy radish]

how cheap

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

gay men

[glossy radish]

he married a woman older than him

[turbid ivy]

Read surah 4.128
And tafsir here is By Al Jalayan
And here Ibn Kathir
https://quranx.com/tafsirs/4.128

[urban swift]

"This guy stitched together a Frankenstein of half-digested philosophy, pseudo-history of math, and appeals to shiny technology."

Nothing material to contradict my message.

" He confused axioms with evidence, science with math, and technological success with epistemic certainty "

Axioms are literally called 'self evident true statements'. Literally told why though for which he claimed to be 'pseudo history' 🤦🏻
Physics is branch of science and there's nothing without maths in it. So yes science use maths.
Yes, im fine with epistemic certainty if i someone comes to me and try to sell some afterlife schemes.
I'd love to ditch the psychological certainty in such case. I don't like delusions. Neither I'm crazy for 72 virgin houris.

Big shoutout to your minion @plush robin for contributing nothing. I've never seen someone can be so much wrong in his single message

[turbid ivy]

Oh because she was so rich? if you look at descripion of Khadija, she is described as Elon Musk

So why would muhammad not marry her, cause we notice he was very poor.

[urban swift]

Because at that time he hadn't had much power and access to young women*

[glossy radish]

she proposed her

[glossy radish]

ur opinion is rejected u got no surahs and proof

[urban swift]

We talking about Sauda, no?

[turbid ivy]

yes and he didnt reject her cause of her property and she was not even a good woman, she made her father drunk and married him. she decived her father because he rejected their marriage 🙂

[glossy radish]

😭 no lil bro

[turbid ivy]

Yes

[glossy radish]

lmao tell me the hadith

[urban swift]

There are plenty, I can collect them but it'll waste my time. Possibly in near future I'll compile a book

[glossy radish]

muslims not saudi

[urban swift]

@glossy radish

[glossy radish]

oki sure

[turbid ivy]

Swadah.. her name was swadah.

[glossy radish]

ohhhhhhhhh hes talking about the name

[urban swift]

[glossy radish]

u types the wrong word

saudi is a country

[urban swift]

I didn't write saudi. But thanks @turbid ivy

[turbid ivy]

yeah that one he is reffering too.. now, lemme ask you.. would you marry a man like muhammad, kind of a man when his wife became old, at the time she needed more care from her husband, he abonds her and wants to spend with women?

Is that called love?

[urban swift]

@glossy radish you know story of safiya bint? How he captured her and annihilated her whole tribe, including her husband and father

[feral river]

we CCP are way progressive than people who would really believe these religious fucking crap

[glossy radish]

please send me the hadith

and surah

[feral river]

yeah liberals are the most progressive group no doubt with that

[glossy radish]

womp womp

[turbid ivy]

Yes very much

[glossy radish]

no becz muhammad wasnt that kinda man

u r wrong

[feral river]

womp womp with the F-35 on the sky ready to annihilate every terrorists

🇺🇸 Strength is our only belief

[turbid ivy]

But the sources says he was that kinda of man.. even it's quoted from bhukhari

Plus, here are the sources that muhammad destroyed jewish tribe and forcefully married Saffiya bint huya

https://apologetics-101.com/muhammad-and-saffiya-muhammad-raped-saffiya-the-jewish-woman/

🙂

[feral river]

it's time to switch American values from diversity, equality, inclusive to strength, power, wealth

🇺🇸

God Bless The United States of America

[glossy radish]

bros jealous

[glossy radish]

tell me the surahs i wont read from ur sources

[feral river]

I ain't jealous that terrorists are dying on the fucking ground because they would believe it would help them as they continue this struggle by launching more terrorist attack

[glossy radish]

😭 ok bro illiterate shakespeare

bro comes under donald truck

[feral river]

we will see who's illterate under natural selection

[glossy radish]

imagine having donald truck as ur ruling ur country

[feral river]

don't worry

[glossy radish]

sure

womp womp

[feral river]

womp to the fucking womp 🤣

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[turbid ivy]

4.128

[thorny steeple]

What are we discussing here

[fresh flower]

Salam walakum

They're debating religion

[glossy radish]

bro thinks he has become cool after using slurs

average american:

[glossy radish]

hiiii

[thorny steeple]

Walakum salam

[feral river]

makes you remind this is the internet space of the USA

[thorny steeple]

Hiii

[fresh flower]

Do you guys do hiking

[feral river]

this is American's internet territory under its sovereignty

[humble acorn]

it's better to ignore them, imo.

[thorny steeple]

hi,
They are fighting
Where ar eyou from?

[glossy radish]

womp womp what should i do about it

[thorny steeple]

good to push them

[glossy radish]

true

[humble acorn]

best of luck to you for it then!

[thorny steeple]

no

[glossy radish]

it just says if a wife think her husband is pulling away or any of em thinks that they can other than divorce come to a mutual agreement of not being intimate......theres no mention of divorce nor any example of the prophet

no

[thorny steeple]

KSA

[thorny steeple]

you are arab

[thorny steeple]

Yes

Ugly

[glossy radish]

this too sigma

[thorny steeple]

are you living outside of saudi?

[glossy radish]

why r u showing back pachs in here

[thorny steeple]

for girls!

[glossy radish]

😭 is it that serious?

[fresh flower]

How?💀💀💀💀

[thorny steeple]

[fresh flower]

It's very very very serious

More serious than debating religion to me

[thorny steeple]

it is for women or teenager girls

[glossy radish]

bro why did everyone come here