🧠｜serious-chat

[turbid ivy]

Plus those stories are not considered as historically reliable, for instance seven sleepers of Ephesus, Alexander the great chasing the sun and building an iron wall 😭

[tiny apex]

It’s okay I feel dumb right now 😭 I’m debating against religious scholars right now

[high raven]

You really aren't

I'm not disagreeing with your point, I disagree with the notion that it "copies"

[formal pilot]

I disagree

[tiny apex]

They are all abrahamic religions so perhaps but the stories in each holy book are too different for them to follow one true god

[turbid ivy]

yes it's copied, here another examples

ALLAH COPIED THE STATEMENTS OF UMAR TO BECOME HIS REVELATIONS

The wearing of Hijab, the center or direction of prayer (Quran 2:125), and Quran 66:5 (which was copied by Allah exactly) were coming from the suggestions of Umar. These three laws did not come to Allah’s mind if not the suggestions of Umar. Allah attracted to the statements of Umar so well that he converted them into Qurans. For a human to be imitated by his creator is the greatest pride in his lifetime. The reason Umar boasted this glory that he achieved;

[Sahih al-Bukhari 402, Sahih al-Bukhari 4483, & Musnad Ahmad 157]

My Lord agreed with me in three things: 1. I said,”O Allah’s Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer(for some of your prayers e.g. two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka’ba)”. (2.125) 2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.’ So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed. 3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, ‘It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.’ So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed.” (66.5).

[tiny apex]

It’s okay you are allowed in this conversation everyone is

Share your point

[turbid ivy]

@high raven My lord agrees with me in three things eheh?

[uncut tiger]

I disagree

This is bullpoop

Jesus is prophet of Allah

Accept the truth and move on

[formal pilot]

Nvm, sanna is here and I don't feel comfortable discussing serious topics with aircraft propagandist.

Adios

[high raven]

Where's the copying? From what I'm reading, Umar is suggesting something and Allah is responding

[uncut tiger]

Aircraft propagandist 💀

[thorny steeple]

They can't.

[cursive ermine]

how how lol teach me ur tricks so i fit in here too TT

[tiny apex]

Goodbye then 😭

[thorny steeple]

This is historically not true.

[uncut tiger]

Alright you are okay to reject the truth, 6 billion people already are.

[cursive ermine]

hell nah religious thing i give up🙌

[thorny steeple]

It's not the truth, so thankfully most humans reject that falsehood.

[tiny apex]

lol 😂 I understand

[uncut tiger]

Subtly troll them, but also say relevant stuff here and there

[turbid ivy]

Eheh?

nce the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, ‘It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.’ So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed.” (66.5).
ehe? If umar says may the God make you divroce you? Suddnely there is a verse? Did you get what im saying? Muhammad is getting ideas from Umar and saying it's from God. but we can;t see that do we?

[cursive ermine]

i hope so TT

[uncut tiger]

Okay well by that logic atheism is not the truth, since many people reject that falsehood

[tiny apex]

Can anyone prove that Jesus was a prophet let alone a son of god historically? I would just like to know

[thorny steeple]

Atheism is also not true.

[tiny apex]

Religion is faith not fact

[uncut tiger]

Let me guess, you are not Muslim and not atheist.

[tiny apex]

At least in my opinion

[uncut tiger]

How are you so predictable

[thorny steeple]

Good guess.

[cursive ermine]

[cursive ermine]

bwahaha bet!

[thorny steeple]

Why would I want to be perceived differently than I am?

[tiny apex]

You can still say things of course if you don’t want to debate that’s okay!

[cursive ermine]

call me when theres a good topic i can also join to discuss withTT

[uncut tiger]

You're ninety nine percent atheist did you know that

[cursive ermine]

but religions thing i would rather stay aside tho

[thorny steeple]

Atheism isn't something one can be in parts.

[high raven]

Umar said something
Allah revealed a verse that responds to it
Mohammed reported it

[tiny apex]

I understand completely religion is always a topic people will disagree upon

[manic juniper]

I agree

[tiny apex]

I hope we can all agree that we shouldn’t hate someone based on religion?

[high raven]

I disagree

[uncut tiger]

Why did he lie?

[tiny apex]

And one person doesn’t mean an entire religion is bad?

[tiny apex]

How come?

[lime cobalt]

Who is Allah in relation to Yahweh?

[manic juniper]

I guess that no one cares about those countries such as Belize and San Escobar

[uncut tiger]

@kindred nymph

[turbid ivy]

But Umar is not talking to Allah? He is just sharing his feelings.. and wishes becomes a verse? How does that makse sense?
Plus Allah can't hear Umar,so there is no point, Allah responding to him

[high raven]

Only my beliefs are right /j but also not /j

[manic juniper]

What if the religion consists in human sacrifices

[uncut tiger]

No one cares about Sierra Leone

[feral river]

It is by statistics

[tiny apex]

😂

[feral river]

And for itself, it was stupid and backward as fuck

[cursive ermine]

yeah could start wars with such topics stay safe yall

[tiny apex]

That sounds horrible but I don’t know if any of the religions we are speaking of now have those issues

But that would be different

[manic juniper]

Not now, but that could change

[tiny apex]

How so?

[high raven]

Allah is omniscient in the Quran as well as in the Bible, Umars wishes weren't what created verses, it was the trigger for them

[lime cobalt]

we need Felek the vegan to see this

[thorny steeple]

YHWH is the deity of the Israelites, Hebrews, sometimes the Midianites, Kenites, and others, Who was known from the beginning as a multifunctional and autonomous deity of Covenants.

Allah was one of the deities of the Nabataeans who Mohammed exalted as being the only deity. Originally part of a pantheon and had a daughter as his wife.

They are unrelated.

[high raven]

That's the gist of it from what I know, you'll have to ask an actual Muslim for more context

[tiny apex]

That is right and that would be wrong let me say this; as long as a religion is not currently teaching harmful ideas and their followers are doing these things, then we should not hate? Is that better?

[turbid ivy]

So God wants prophets wives that they should leave him? and the same time, he wants him to marry more than 4 according to 33.50, ehh?

If he omniscient, explain this please

[lime cobalt]

source ?

[manic juniper]

Well about that... There are some potentially problematic teachings in some religions that hurt those who don't belong to them and even those who do if they don't act as intended

[tiny apex]

So far everyone is being kind so we are good for now

[uncut tiger]

Why is Sanna rooting for Islam

[turbid ivy]

Isn't see a muslim?

[tiny apex]

I need a helper because no one else is

[uncut tiger]

I don't know

[cursive ermine]

thats good to know lol

[turbid ivy]

She must be a muslim

[tiny apex]

And that is why as a Muslim myself I acknowledge that there are MANY problems with my religions as any other is, it is good to approach things with empathy and logic and not just religion in mind

But at the end of the day we are all humans right? Why let something like religion, race, ethnicity or borders divide us?

[high raven]

I'm confused, are you disagreeing with omniscience or the verse?

[high raven]

Calling me a Muslim when you get out-Christianed doesn't make you right

[turbid ivy]

Of course, if he is omniscient, why does he need to come closer to the earth to hear the prayer every midnight? Why not just able to hear from heaven?

Plus, I have to utterly disagree with the hadith, cause it's presenting God like a physical embodied being moving from one place to another

[uncut tiger]

Metaphors

[turbid ivy]

oo leally, metaphor about?

[turbid ivy]

oo leally?

[manic juniper]

Isn't there one about having two right hands, Salafis think it's literal

[high raven]

That's wild, Christianity also uses anthropomorphic language for God, it's inconsistent to criticise Islamic hadith for it while claiming omniscience

[high raven]

Yes

[latent scroll]

Hallo

[high raven]

F

[thorny steeple]

RIP.

[turbid ivy]

Oh yess, that one as well. It's directly coming from aposlte's mouth that God has two right hands,and both right hands are his left hands.. that's insane.. and in one hadith it says he has gonads and wears clothing
So, i think he understood God a one being, but that being is something like emobided physically

[lusty zenith]

Husband. Take back what you said. Now.

[high raven]

Hope you copied it first?

[lime cobalt]

No one got triggered by this, that’s kinda weird.

[uncut tiger]

I'm divorcing you

You can take the alimony from the bank

[thorny steeple]

Discord has a feature that can bring back your old messages.

[thorny steeple]

For a history of early worship of YHWH and His history I'd recommend:

• YHWH’s provenance from the south, a new evaluation of the arguments pro and contra, Martin Luenberger, Yahweh K Van Der Toorn

• Robert D Miller II - YHWH: Origin of a Desert God

• Prof Israel Knohl - Hovav the Midianite, Why was the end of the story cut?

[turbid ivy]

But it directly says God is Spirit, so no way he is a physical being..

[thorny steeple]

For a history of the early worship of Allah and his history:

• Meccan trade and the rise of Islam, Patricia Crone

• Hawting, G. R. The Idea of Idolatry and the Emergence of Islam: From Polemic to History

• Ibn Ishaq's biography of Mohammed

One may also look up things about the use of Allah before Islam, the history of the Kaaba, and so on, which all align with my summary.

[thorny steeple]

It's not meant to be triggering. The history of different deities is fascinating to me.

For some reason many religious people like to sideline and ignore the history of their own deities.

[uncut tiger]

Yes God is that in Islam too

[tiny apex]

God is capable of anything so why couldn’t god just be both?

[turbid ivy]

Where in exactly, the Spirit in Islam is Angel Jibreel not Allah. It only says Allah is nothing like creation.. but if you keep reading in hadiths you would know what does that mean by nothing as in creations

[lime cobalt]

I know, since it’s a bold argument, it should be very triggering lol.

[turbid ivy]

But can be easily refuted

[tiny apex]

He’s an angel just like every other angel, there is no spirit like the Holy Spirit in Christianity

[uncut tiger]

Angel jibreel has also been described to have 70 feathers and a height greater than the Skies, but you still call it a Spirit

[lime cobalt]

There should be major research on that, it’s time for a big reveal lol.

[turbid ivy]

Yes, the point is an angel in Islam is presented as the holy Spirit, the Spirit would be an immaterial, transcendent being. However it doesn't apply on allah, cause no one knows what he is

[uncut tiger]

Alright so we agree

If you call jibreel a spirit despite him being described as possessing a height and wings

Then we're clear

[turbid ivy]

Because it doesn't express the meaning of the Spirit, for him, it's just a messenger. Hence he contradicted that the angel is higer than the mountain

[high raven]

I genuinely no longer have any idea what you're arguing for or against. God is spirit, and neither does that contradict Islamic descriptions using human like language, if there were any Muslims in here or e-scholars they'd jump at you and say that you just refuted John 4:24

[solemn frost]

John 4:24 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<24> God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[tiny apex]

Okay I understand that, god can come in many forms though whether physical as described or just a being, even in the Quran it says that no one can even imagine what god can look like

Or what form he will or can come in

[turbid ivy]

Why dont you bring them here then lol?

Where did you get that from that Islamic God is Spirit?

[lime cobalt]

guys u should share the same god, thats the logic

[high raven]

I don't know any 🙁

I try to avoid them ever since one compared listening to music as sinful as premarital sex

[uncut tiger]

Contradicted 💀

Just say you're stubborn enough to not agree with me

[tiny apex]

What? 😂

There are some idiot Muslims in here making us all look bad

So everyone can know this is completely untruthful

[high raven]

It is, but some like to draw their own parallels

[tiny apex]

I’m sorry you had to deal with that, I know people like that personally and they give me headaches

Don’t listen to people like that because they are clowns through and through

[turbid ivy]

what form he will or can come in
What it is that suppose to mean

[tiny apex]

They don’t know what they are talking about

[turbid ivy]

See,, cause Allah is not the Spirit in Islam

[high raven]

I agree! The "music is haram" part is understandable to some extent, comparing it to the actual actions of sins is the weird part

[tiny apex]

He will: I was referring to story of prophet musa where he saw allahs face, and couldn’t even describe it because humans cannot understand higher powers like god, he can: what god is capable of doing or turning into as god is capable of everything and even things we cannot understand

[manic juniper]

Does that mean he has a face

[lime cobalt]

this convo is not better than is earth is really a globe ? tbh

[tiny apex]

God is capable of looking like anything perhaps he has a face perhaps he made himself appear that way

According to the Quran only true believers will know what he looks like after judgement day

[turbid ivy]

Allah's face?

[tiny apex]

Sins have different levels to them just like in Christianity and I have absolutely no idea what moron would think listening to music is on the same level as adultery/pre-marital affairs

[tiny apex]

I will find you the story so you can read

To clear up any confusion

[turbid ivy]

At the day of Resurrection, it says he will, he will reveal his shin tho

[tiny apex]

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/210252/will-the-believers-see-their-lord-in-paradise-once-or-will-they-see-him-all-the-time-or-will-that-be-only-on-fridays

I will find the story as well

[tiny apex]

I was wrong 😂 in the story Allah tells musa to look at a mountain and he will appear before it and if the mountain was to stay in place then musa would be able to see Allah but the mountain does not stay in place because of the sheer presence of god

[lime cobalt]

what if god form is scary ?

[tiny apex]

Sorry everyone like I said I’m no scholar

[turbid ivy]

Ohh it seems to say they will see God

[tiny apex]

In the Quran he’s described as radiant, so I doubt he is scary, shocking, but not scary

[turbid ivy]

Like his face, friday gathering

His shin etc

[tiny apex]

So we were both right yes

You know your religions well

[manic juniper]

It is, look up Azathoth

[turbid ivy]

Well, I hold the position of the classical theistic God. So, I would disagree with the Islamic concept of God.

And i dont' believe God has a shin, or a face

[lime cobalt]

Lovecraft ? lol

[turbid ivy]

Since he is not a physical being to have a shape

[tiny apex]

Of course you have the right to believe what your religion teaches, no disrespect on my end

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

Oki

[tiny apex]

In the end I have to say you’re smart just keep an open mind on things! It was nice debating and you taught me a lot

[lime cobalt]

im your god, booo

[turbid ivy]

If you would like to see other things
https://apologetics-101.com/islam

[tiny apex]

Thank you very much, I’ll be sure to read

[turbid ivy]

💯

Don't get angry with me, it's just the way it is khyahh

[turbid ivy]

@high raven Oo you too should read it

I dont think islam is healthy for women lol

Women and children and old women I would say.

[uncut tiger]

Is Sanna Muslim?

[high raven]

I've read the Quran, I don't read blogposts even if they're Christian oriented

[lime cobalt]

Every prayer we utter, every melody we sing, even the rhythm of our daily lives are not merely for ourselves. All of them are tiny vibrations that lull something far greater: Azathoth, the Blind Chaos.

Unknowingly, we are sustaining his slumber. For if he awakens, the dream will collapse, reality will unravel, and order itself will crumble into dust within the whirlpool of nothingness. Perhaps this world is nothing more than a ritual symphony, endlessly performed to keep the hollow sovereign asleep amid eternal chaos.

Maybe the reason humanity keeps praying, creating art, and preserving harmony… is nothing but a cosmic conspiracy: to ensure Azathoth keeps dreaming so that we may continue to exist.

[high raven]

No

[turbid ivy]

Do you know Muhamamd had the one old wife,, she was almost similar to his age,, if he was in his 50s, she also in her 50s.. Her name was Sauda. He tried to divorce her and started spending his time more with his young wives... Leaving a wife when her beauty suddenly vanishes cause she is old now, and now the man is also old, but he is tryna sleep with young women? Is that fair?

[turbid ivy]

It's literally the sources collections lol

Cause if you just read the quran you wouldn't understand anything.. you gotta read the tafsirs to get the contexts for it and also the hadiths

[uncut tiger]

Where are you getting this from

[turbid ivy]

Where else? from islamic sources.. mostly they are presented in Quran and the tafsirs, you wanna see that?

[tiny apex]

This was 1600 years ago, lifespan was not long due to lack of healthcare and cleanliness everywhere, so people got married young

It wasn’t just in the Middle East by the way it was like that in many other places

[uncut tiger]

Yea send me this particular one

[turbid ivy]

I understand, but it's no point to leave and old wife just because now she looks ugly right? Is that love, my friend?

[turbid ivy]

https://answering-islam.org/Authors/Newton/sauda.html

[versed edge]

Maybe she used her teeth

[tiny apex]

😂

[turbid ivy]

What do you mean?

[versed edge]

Poor performance

[wary wing]

Muhammad was on Epstein's list

[tiny apex]

Personally? I would not do that but the prophet is still a a human just like anyone else, and he makes mistakes

[versed edge]

Leading cause in divorce cases

[turbid ivy]

That's not funny at all

[versed edge]

That's your opinion

[high raven]

Unnecessary

[formal pilot]

Getting married is the leading cause of divorce

[versed edge]

True. Can't argue with correlation

[turbid ivy]

If you urmother is in her 60s, would you still say that her perfomance is poor or maybe she is using her teeth now?

[high raven]

I can confirm the statistics

[tiny apex]

He was not married to Aisha when she was 9 this is a common misconception, and she was offered to him he did not seek her out

[versed edge]

Yeah. She'd probably find it funny

[uncut tiger]

By that logic Having sex is leading cause of world hunger and poverty

[tiny apex]

I’m not saying that’s right but this was the culture 1600 years ago again not just in the Middle East

[turbid ivy]

That's not funny at all, I'm noticing you have no respect for women

[versed edge]

I'm doing my part

[turbid ivy]

https://answeringislamblog.wordpress.com/2023/03/09/muhammads-unjust-and-immoral-rules-on-adultery/

oops my bad that's a differnt one

[versed edge]

Whats that got to do with women. Could be two men too.

[formal pilot]

No

Stop spending money on brothels, it's affecting your world view

[versed edge]

"Muhammad left his wife because she gave bad head"

"OMG UR A WOMEN HATER"

[uncut tiger]

Where is the wife divorce incident

[uncut tiger]

They don't let me in, I tried.

They don't let minors in.

[turbid ivy]

Okay lemme actually give you the tafsirs

[uncut tiger]

I want Hadith or Quran

[lime cobalt]

so its fine to marry 9 now ?

[formal pilot]

They do let minors in, but not as customers

[uncut tiger]

She was not 9 🤦

[tiny apex]

? When did I say she was married at 9?

Re read please I think you misread my statement

[uncut tiger]

How do you know so much

[lime cobalt]

6 ?

[uncut tiger]

You cheeky bish

[true lagoon]

Now this is how I'm gonna make money

[turbid ivy]

Here is the tafisr mentiong it
https://quranx.com/tafsirs/4.128
They quotes al bhukhari

[tiny apex]

She wasn’t married when she was a child

[formal pilot]

I was looking at statistics, many minors get trafficed, it's so sad that man's desire is causing this much pain and suffering

[true lagoon]

He's VIP

[tiny apex]

I don’t get it, are there actual Muslim haters here?

I get debates but I would like to know is there a bias here

[high raven]

Yes

[tiny apex]

This is really sad to see how divided people are

[turbid ivy]

Where you from that these sites are blocked

[high raven]

Flush your dns

It might fix it

[uncut tiger]

Pakistan

[lime cobalt]

sure see india pakistan

[tiny apex]

I know all about them already that’s sad too

[turbid ivy]

Try this one.
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/
Go to ibn kathir, surah 4.128

[native cove]

all because of the authorities ig...

[tiny apex]

I don’t understand why people can’t just appreciate that we have a limited time here, why use that to hate?

[turbid ivy]

Dude, she was just 6

[native cove]

only if everybody has the same kind of mindset...

[high raven]

Relevant

[lime cobalt]

now 6 ?

[tiny apex]

I think I just have to let go

[turbid ivy]

Well, according to the most strongest source of islam, she was 6..

[tiny apex]

When they were married?

[turbid ivy]

Well, they were married when she was 6, and prophet would be 53, cause he remained 9 years after the marriage

[turbid ivy]

There is no better love than telling them the dark secret that they have been lied to for years

[tiny apex]

I just read this in depth and it’s not only historically accurate but takes from many verses in the Quran and hadiths: https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateReligion/comments/105yqb3/prophet_muhammad_ﷺ_did_not_marry_aisha_ra_at_the/

There are links of sources at the bottom

[native cove]

deep down people do know the truth they just don't want to accept it

[turbid ivy]

This is coming from the muslims who don't accept hadiths or sunni hadiths at least like shias, and quran only muslims like code 19 sects and other quran only non denominatinal modern western muslims 🙂

[tiny apex]

The quotes in that come from unreliable sources is that what you are saying?

Because you are free to look them up and check if you want to

[lime cobalt]

Note : this marriage triggers rage bait more than anything.

[tiny apex]

Apparently I can’t add pictures either but if you look up the marriage age around the world at the prophets time, most got married at the age of 12

I’m not saying that this is okay by the way but this was the normal at the time

[turbid ivy]

No, according to sunni sect, if you are a sunni who takes al bhukhari, sahih muslim, sunan an nasai, abi dawud hadiths like that.. this would be very reliable source.. even if we look at the chain, it's pretty strong. It's not daif at all.

But some people don't like that prophet marrying 6 years old since he was 53. And a lot of people leave islam because of that and a lot of people dont join islam because of that exmaple. So,modern muslims, who are westerners mostly, they don;t take hadith as reliable source, they say God only promised to protect the koran, but not to the hadiths, so, they would say it's not reliable. And if you look at the modern western scholarships, these hadiths are not considered as reliable historical source. So, modern muslims mostly living in the west, who are by the way westerners.. they dont; accept the hadiths, they are sometimes called the Quran only muslims, they have i think two sects, one is code 19 one. And another on is shia, however they have their own hadiths, but they dont accept sunni hadiths.

[tiny apex]

Okay I understand that completely and do not worry I did read over your whole writing

[tiny apex]

Those specific Muslims are free to pick and choose what they want to but it doesn’t change what was said

It’s as simple as that

[lime cobalt]

so its not okey right, custom is not meant to be a tool of justification, considering that the Prophet knew what was good because he was directly guided by God, which means that, indirectly, God justified and permitted it.

[tiny apex]

I don’t think it states anywhere that Muhammad would need gods blessing for marriage? As I said he was a human maybe a messenger but he was still a man at the end of the day

[turbid ivy]

That's a good point, because in one hadith, we notice prophet saying that he got a revelation some kinda dream to marry her. Lemme pull out that hadith for you.. some muslims could say it wasn't guided by God, so you must have a source to prove that it's not that case

[tiny apex]

No it wasn’t right but again take into account that this was a long time ago, and people did not live as long so people got married significantly younger

Anyways I’m about to sleep so is there anything anyone needs to say before I go

No? Okay then I’m glad we understand each other 🙏

[turbid ivy]

THis one

🌚

[lime cobalt]

wow

[lime cobalt]

u know hadith better than average muslim

[turbid ivy]

Oh yeah, i mostly learned from ex muslims. The ex muslim would show something that a real muslim would always try to hide

[formal pilot]

Not necessarily, Ex Muslims sometimes know more about it because they did their research before leaving islam

The average Muslim doesn't know about most questionable hadiths lol

It's not like they're trying to hide something

[turbid ivy]

These ex muslims don't just leave islam. first, it's not easy to leave islam, you put your whole danger threat on your head if you are coming from the middle east. So they do a lot of research before they leave islam. And ifthere is no defense, when it's not possible to defend those teachings,, they leave it

[formal pilot]

Damnn, i wouldn't know that

Sounds scary

[turbid ivy]

Yeah and to survive, those people just act like muslims their entire life lol infront of other muslims, cause if they would know they are not muslims, then.. it would be difficult for them if you are familiar with shaira

[thorny steeple]

it's more sad to see people dying for their religion

[winter echo]

By what's the argument of those saying when the prophet married nana Aisha she's around 13 or more?
Do you know

[uncut tiger]

Bros talking about Iran

[high raven]

@feral river Opinion on Hong Kong counting as its own territory?

Macau too for that matter

[torn kernel]

Hello

[turbid ivy]

Mostly critical analysis on hadiths

[turbid ivy]

I can give you the hadith

[pliant oriole]

Aisha, may God be pleased with her, was engaged to the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when she was six years old, or according to some reports seven, with her father's permission. However, he did not consummate the marriage until she had grown older, reached the age of puberty, and developed into a beautiful young woman. Aisha took pride in the fact that the Prophet married her while she was a virgin, indicating that the marriage was not consummated until she reached an age where she could physically endure intercourse. He consummated the marriage when she was nine years old.

As Imam Al-Shafi'i noted, some women from Quraysh reached puberty by the age of nine. Women congratulated her on this marriage, saying: "For goodness and blessings, and for the best omen." This type of marriage was not criticized at that time, despite the numerous enemies of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, among the Jews and polytheists. It was a recognized practice in the pre-Islamic era (Jahiliyyah), and Islam came and approved it—that a young girl could be engaged and married with the permission of her guardian.

Before the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, Aisha had been engaged to Jubayr ibn Mut'im ibn 'Adi, as mentioned by Al-Tabari and Ibn Kathir. However, the Prophet, peace be upon him, only consummated the marriage after she became physically capable of intercourse. A nine-year-old girl is capable of intercourse and has reached the age of womanhood in many regions, though this varies depending on individuals and environments.

[turbid ivy]

and you cited no sources that she had reached the puberty

[pliant oriole]

It is established in Sahih al-Bukhari and other authentic sources that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) married Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) when she was six years old, and the marriage was consummated (i.e., he cohabited with her) when she was nine years old. Books of Islamic history (Seerah) have consistently reported this. It is important to note that the Prophet (peace be upon him) did not consummate the marriage with Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) until after she had reached puberty and was physically prepared for intercourse and marital relations. The fact that the Prophet (peace be upon him) waited during the period between the marriage contract and consummation indicates the consideration given to her readiness.

For reference, see:

• Fath al-Bari Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari (7/281) by Hafiz Ibn Hajar: Chapter on the Prophet’s Marriage to Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her).
• Al-Rawd al-Unf (4/427) by Al-Suhayli.
• Subul al-Huda wal-Rashad fi Seerat Khayr al-‘Ibad (11/164) by Al-Salihi al-Shami.

here is the sources

[uncut tiger]

.

[pliant oriole]

she told the story in wrong way

When the Prophet (ﷺ) married Hafsah bint Umar, Zainab bint Jahsh, and Umm Salamah (may Allah be pleased with them), Sawdah (may Allah be pleased with her) felt she had no place among these new wives. She could not match their beauty, youth, wisdom, or intelligence, and she was certain that her status with the Prophet (ﷺ) was not equal to any of theirs. The Prophet (ﷺ) sensed this and tried to compensate her with the fairness he was known to exhibit among his wives. He would gently joke and play with her despite her older age, and she cherished this. She had a comical walk and would deliberately walk in front of the Prophet (ﷺ) in this manner to make him laugh. Sometimes, she would say humorous things to bring a smile to his face.
However, the Prophet (ﷺ) sensed the psychological distress she felt due to not measuring up to the other wives. Wanting to ease her burden, he offered to divorce her. Some accounts say he did divorce her temporarily. For Sawdah, it felt as if the world had turned dark. Yes, she did not see herself as equal to the other wives, but she was still a wife of the Prophet (ﷺ) and a Mother of the Believers—a honor and privilege enough. One night, when the Prophet (ﷺ) was staying with her, he offered her divorce. She held his hand and pleaded, “O Messenger of Allah, it is not that I desire men, but I wish to be resurrected among your wives. Please take me back.”
Sawdah spent that night torn between the Prophet’s (ﷺ) desire to divorce her and her own wish to remain his wife. Just before dawn, she conceived an idea to satisfy the Prophet (ﷺ): she offered to surrender her night to Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) in exchange for remaining his wife. The Prophet (ﷺ) agreed, took pity on her situation, and took her back. It is said that the following verse was revealed regarding this incident:

{وَإِنِ امْرَأَةٌ خَافَتْ مِنْ بَعْلِهَا نُشُوزًا أَوْ إِعْرَاضًا فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِمَا أَنْ يُصْلِحَا بَيْنَهُمَا صُلْحًا وَالصُّلْحُ خَيْرٌ } [النساء: 128].

She was the one who feared that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) might incline towards the others over her. The Prophet sensed that she was psychologically distressed, so he decided to divorce her. However, in the end, she made it clear that she did not want the divorce, and ultimately, he did not divorce her.

everyone is free to accept prophet mohamed as massenger of god or not, but why you always try to defame him? see his good situations with his wifes, socity, friends and even with his haters, if I spent one week to say this situations it won't be enough to say all, but please don't twist the facts

[formal pilot]

Please refrain from pasting AI-generated text. We value genuine personal inputs

[pliant oriole]

I used AI to translate arabic texts only

but this isn't generated by AI, this is from islamic sites from religion scientists

and of course I won't write to you in arabic

if you wanna me give the arabic sites I will give it now

[formal pilot]

Your whole argument is 100% shaped by Ai, so claiming that you only translated it using Ai is baseless

[pliant oriole]

but I translated it by AI, as google translate make a lot of mistakes

[pliant oriole]

I will send you arabic resources and you 'll find what I see and get sure that AI translated only

[charred imp]

Here

[pliant oriole]

https://www.islamweb.net/ar/fatwa/108347/دفاع-عن-زواج-النبي-من-عائشة-وهي-بنت-تسع https://www.islamweb.net/ar/fatwa/8218/الرد-على-من-زعم-أن-الرسول-تزوج-عائشة-رضي-الله-عنها-قبل-البلوغ https://islamonline.net/فن-التفاوض-عند-أم-المؤمنين-سودة-بنت-زمع/ see this and you 'll find that I didn't use AI for anything rather than translating

[sullen cedar]

Who said I hate Jew brother!? Here in Kurdistan alot of jew and I even have friends that they are Jew I’m just talking with that girl and those isrealian who kills kids daily under the name of Jews

[formal pilot]

What you sent isn't only the translation, it's an argument 100% shaped by Ai

From next time avoid copy pasting it

[charred imp]

Are you a literate Muslim? Bcz if you are then I worry from where have you been learning this all. No offence, but everything Prophet PBUH did was from ALLAH (GOD) ALMIGHTY.

[charred imp]

Well we are here, your sign means you are Christian. At least we have something in common that you belong to a book and worship ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

[pliant oriole]

I will send you my chat with AI and you will see that I only used it for translation

but this group don't allow me to send screenshots

[formal pilot]

Level 10 is required for media perms

[dusky jungle]

hello

[pliant oriole]

not from quran, but didn't you see what they make in gaza? and in thier war in egypt there planes entered and bombed primary school, they want to occupy(egypt-syria-lebanon-iraq-north-saudia arabia) to establish great isreal state, do you wanna us not to hate them after this blood history

[pliant oriole]

no problem, I just send you my resources, so if you want to continue discusion, no problem with me

[pliant oriole]

مساء الفل يرجولة

[pliant oriole]

hello

[formal pilot]

Your texts were 100% copied from Ai

[rocky trail]

[formal pilot]

Send me the arabic verse you translated, I can read arabic

[pliant oriole]

ok

[formal pilot]

This specific arabic prompt

[pliant oriole]

https://www.islamweb.net/ar/fatwa/8218/الرد-على-من-زعم-أن-الرسول-تزوج-عائشة-رضي-الله-عنها-قبل-البلوغ

[formal pilot]

This is the link, send me what you translated

[pliant oriole]

فالثابت في صحيح البخاري وغيره أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم تزوج عائشة رضي الله عنها وهي بنت ست سنين، وزفت إليه أي: دخل بها، وهي بنت تسع سنين، وقد تواترت كتب السيرة على ذلك، ومعلوم أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لم يدخل بعائشة رضي الله عنها إلا بعد أن بلغت الحلم، وصارت مهيأة للجماع والمعاشرة، ومما يدل على صحة ذلك انتظار النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم هذه الفترة بين العقد والبناء. انظر على سبيل المثال: فتح الباري شرح صحيح البخاري (7/281) للحافظ ابن حجر: باب تزويج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم عائشة رضي الله عنها، والروض الأنف (4/427) للسهيلي، وسبل الهدى والرشاد في سيرة خير العباد للصالحي الشامي (11/164) .

[uncut tiger]

nobu ran away

[pliant oriole]

لما تزوج النبي ﷺ بحفصة بنت عمر، وزينب بنت جحش، وأم سلمة – رضي الله عنهن- لم تجد سودة – رضي الله عنها- مكانا لها بين النساء الجدد، فلا هي في جمالهن، ولا في سنهن، ولا في حكمتهن ولا ذكائهن، وهي توقن أن مكانتها عند النبي ﷺ ليست كمكانة أي منهن، وقد شعر النبي ﷺ بذلك، فحاول تعويضها بما عرف عنه من العدل بين الزوجات، وأنه كان يلاطفها ويداعبها – رغم كبر سنها، وكانت هي حريصة على ذلك، فكانت لها مشية مضحكة، فكانت تحرص أن تمشي أمام النبي ﷺ بهذه المشية حتى تضحكه ﷺ، وربما كانت تقول له بعض الفكاهة من القول حتى يتبسم الرسول ﷺ.

ولكن النبي ﷺ أحس بما قد نابها من الأذى النفسي، من كونها لا تجد نفسها في مستوى الزوجات، فأراد النبي ﷺ أن يخفف عنها ما هي فيه، فعرض عليها الطلاق، وقيل: إنها طلقها، فكأنما اسودت الدنيا في وجهها، نعم، إنها لا تجد نفسها زوجة مثل باقي الزوجات، لكنها زوجة رسول الله ﷺ، وأم للمؤمنين وكفى بذلك فخرا وشرفا، وفي إحدى الليالي  التي كان النبي ﷺ يبيت عندها، عرض عليها الطلاق، فأمسكت بيد النبي ﷺ تتوسل إليه أن يبقيها قائلة: يا رسول الله ما بي حب الرجال ولكني أحب أن أبعث في أزواجك فأرجعني.

وبقيت سودة هذه الليلة في حيرة من أمرها بين رغبة الرسول ﷺ في طلاقها، وبين رغبتها في بقائها زوجة له، وقبيل الفجر لاحت لها فكرة ترضي بها رسول الله ﷺ وتعرض عليه أن تتنازل عن ليلتها لعائشة – رضي الله عنها- مقابل أن يبقيها زوجة له، فوافق النبي ﷺ على ذلك ورق لحالها، فأرجعها، وقيل: فيها نزل قوله تعالى: {وَإِنِ امْرَأَةٌ خَافَتْ مِنْ بَعْلِهَا نُشُوزًا أَوْ إِعْرَاضًا فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْهِمَا أَنْ يُصْلِحَا بَيْنَهُمَا صُلْحًا وَالصُّلْحُ خَيْرٌ } [النساء: 128].

فإن عائشة رضي الله عنها عقد عليها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهي بنت ست سنين، وقيل سبع، بإذن أبيها، ولكنه لم يدخل بها حتى كبرت وبلغت سن المحيض وشبت شبابا حسنا، وكانت عائشة تفخر بزواجه منها وهي بكر، وهذا يدل على أنه لم يدخل بها حتى أصبحت في مرحلة تطيق فيها الوطء فقد دخل بها وهي بنت تسع، وكان نساء قريش يبلغ بعضهن عند السنة التاسعة كما قال الإمام الشافعي، وقد هنأها النساء بهذا الزواج فقلن: على الخير والبركة وعلى خير طائر، ومثل هذا النكاح لم يطعن أحد به في ذلك العصر مع كثرة أعداء رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من اليهود والمشركين، فقد كان معروفاً في الجاهلية، وجاء الإسلام وأقره، وهو أن الصغيرة تخطب وتتزوج بإذن وليها، وقد كانت عائشة مخطوبة قبل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لابن مطعم بن عدي، كما ذكر ذلك الطبري وابن كثير، لكن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لم يدخل بها إلا بعد أن أصبحت صالحة للجماع، وبنت تسع سنين صالحة للوطء وبالغة مبلغ النساء في كثير من البلدان، وهذا يختلف باختلاف الأشخاص والبيئات.

[formal pilot]

I asked for this one

[pliant oriole]

فإن عائشة رضي الله عنها عقد عليها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهي بنت ست سنين، وقيل سبع، بإذن أبيها، ولكنه لم يدخل بها حتى كبرت وبلغت سن المحيض وشبت شبابا حسنا، وكانت عائشة تفخر بزواجه منها وهي بكر، وهذا يدل على أنه لم يدخل بها حتى أصبحت في مرحلة تطيق فيها الوطء فقد دخل بها وهي بنت تسع، وكان نساء قريش يبلغ بعضهن عند السنة التاسعة كما قال الإمام الشافعي، وقد هنأها النساء بهذا الزواج فقلن: على الخير والبركة وعلى خير طائر، ومثل هذا النكاح لم يطعن أحد به في ذلك العصر مع كثرة أعداء رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من اليهود والمشركين، فقد كان معروفاً في الجاهلية، وجاء الإسلام وأقره، وهو أن الصغيرة تخطب وتتزوج بإذن وليها، وقد كانت عائشة مخطوبة قبل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لابن مطعم بن عدي، كما ذكر ذلك الطبري وابن كثير، لكن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لم يدخل بها إلا بعد أن أصبحت صالحة للجماع، وبنت تسع سنين صالحة للوطء وبالغة مبلغ النساء في كثير من البلدان، وهذا يختلف باختلاف الأشخاص والبيئات.

[uncut tiger]

sadly i dont understand arabic 😔

[formal pilot]

This arabic paragraph you sent claiming to write it down by yourself is also Ai generated

[charred imp]

I am feeling bad for him.
Would I listen to a MIT's leaver that why MIT is a godforsaken hideous academical Institution?

[formal pilot]

Avoid copy pasting Ai, or you might face consequences

[charred imp]

Aisha, may God be pleased with her, was married to the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, when she was six years old, and it was said seven, with her father's permission, but he did not consummate her until she grew up, reached the age of menstruation, and becamea young man. Well, Aisha was proud of his marriage to her while she was a virgin, and this indicates that he did not consummate the marriage with her until she was at a stage where she could tolerate intercourse. He consummated the marriage with her when she was nine years old, and some of the women of Quraish reached puberty at the age of nine, as Imam AI-Shafi'i said. The women congratulated her on this marriage and said, “Goodness and blessings.” And on the best bird, and no one objected to such a marriage in that era, despite the many enemies of the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, among the Jews and polytheists. It was known in pre-lslamic times, and came Islam approved it, which is that the young woman is engaged and married with the permission of her quardian. Aisha was engaged before the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, to lbn Mut'im bin Adi, as mentioned by al-Tabari and Ibn Katheer, but the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant hinm peace, did not consummate the marriage with her until after she became fit for intercourse, and she was nine years old and fit for intercourse and reached the age of women in many countries, and this varies according to people and environments.

[uncut tiger]

sending walls of text is discouraged here :/

[charred imp]

I am sorry but this is translation.

[uncut tiger]

sybau aladdin

[uncut tiger]

is this ai generated

[pliant oriole]

we only hate jews who harm Muslim, but if jew person is innocent we 'ren't allowed to treat him bad, and our prophet said “Whoever kills a person under covenant (a non-Muslim living under Muslim protection) will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance can be perceived from a distance of forty years.” and this include jews and all religions, prophet mohamed peace upon them stood up for the funeral of a jew in madinah

[charred imp]

Google translated it for me

[sullen cedar]

Thanks for correcting ❤️

[pliant oriole]

but the site write to me it is 99% human generated

[formal pilot]

Na, they're also using Ai lol this is hilarious

Don't trust anyone brother

[charred imp]

Well what is the probability of it detecting reality, if I use this AI to checkout the thesis written by Albert Einstein?

[sullen cedar]

John 14:16

[solemn frost]

John 14:16 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<16> And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever,

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[pliant oriole]

but this article was wrote in 2008 before the era of AI😂

[charred imp]

Kindly send me the link to the website

[formal pilot]

Just google GPTzero

It's developed by openAI (chatGPT)

[formal pilot]

Nearly zero

[pliant oriole]

are you threating me for thing I didn't made? i checked it and it was 99% human, and I sent you the original articel link site, see him if you want

[sullen cedar]

John 16:13

[solemn frost]

John 16:13 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<13> When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

BibleBot v12.1.1 by Kerygma Digital

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/langostino19gif-arab-monkey-gif-19679637

[feral river]

Oh oh it’s not here in Kurdistan but here in Syria probably

Kurdistan does not exist

And it will never be exist

[sullen cedar]

Oh i thought IT’s talking about spiritual things but IT’s using a lot of emphasis “he” hm

[high raven]

Honorary Turk

[sullen cedar]

Who the hell are u to talking about everything in a bad way?????

[feral river]

Turkey are also doing a good job against terrorists in their provinces

[sullen cedar]

U mean killing Kurdish?

[formal pilot]

The text you sent earlier was 100% Ai

The arabic text you shared claiming to write it down by yourself was 90% Ai

[formal pilot]

I'm not threatening you, I'm making sure you know the rules of serious chat of the English hub

[pliant oriole]

for the million time, i copy pase it from article returned to 2008 when there wasn't AI, and I sent link for this article to see and get insured and i 'll sent it again if you wanna know the truth

[sullen cedar]

Ure literally evil evil evil ure not a human I confirm thatttt

[sullen cedar]

|| go to hell ||

[high raven]

Troll back, tell him that he lives in Western Taiwan

[formal pilot]

Next time use inspiration from that website to write down on your own, that way you'll improve your English

And you won't be breaking any rules

[sullen cedar]

[uncut tiger]

I think you dislike it when Muslims are winning a debate in serious chat

[formal pilot]

I can use his whole argument and ask Ai to make an argument against it, it's an infinite loop

[uncut tiger]

How thoughtful

[pliant oriole]

he entered me in another issue, and I send more than evedence that AI is used for translation only, but he insist not to see the original links

[formal pilot]

You'd be shocked to know the guy who started using Ai excessively was a muslim

Ask isfrun or minecraft, it was a mess

[formal pilot]

Vivek created a channel named "court" for the entire case lol

[pliant oriole]

so next time learn arabic language to read long articles

[sullen cedar]

He’s even from China! And support isreal and American when they both hate China

[formal pilot]

I can read arabic 💀

Anyway I'm not here to argue with you

Don't break rules

[uncut tiger]

was a Muslim

[formal pilot]

He's still a Muslim

[pliant oriole]

using AI for translation isn't wrong, I can't translate religion articles in english, as if i got wrong word translated this may make my point of view not obvious

[uncut tiger]

Name

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/abhijit-naskar-naskar-humanist-meme-humanitarian-humanism-gif-24059578

I actually don't know what he meant by this

[pliant oriole]

ماشي يعم

[formal pilot]

Sure, I'm old

[pliant oriole]

عم دي بتققال لأي حد مش شرط يكون كبير في السن

[pliant oriole]

أنت من اليونان صح؟

[turbid ivy]

None of those sources suggests she was matured enough.

[formal pilot]

No

[turbid ivy]

Where did you get that article from?

[pliant oriole]

no, it does

[formal pilot]

But I've had Greek medicine to cure my asthma

[pliant oriole]

i will send you sites

[formal pilot]

It didn't work

[sullen cedar]

Because I’m here

[tiny apex]

Are you all still debating

[turbid ivy]

You just posted something that has no source. You can write an article that he is so good, but if you dont have any sources, that makes so good. Then your article is meaningless

[sullen cedar]

When it’s come to marriage they immediately talk about Islam when even in Christian 6 years old was married

[pliant oriole]

https://islamonline.net/فن-التفاوض-عند-أم-المؤمنين-سودة-بنت-زمع/

[turbid ivy]

Why dont you post the source right here then buddy

[formal pilot]

Jan 6 is Trump mob attack on white house

[pliant oriole]

I posted the sources on previous messages

[tiny apex]

Somebody with some sense thank you 😂 this was a thousand years ago unfortunately most were married young

[pliant oriole]

I translated to english, As I think that most of you aren't good enough at reading arabic, so I made that to make issues clear for you

[sullen cedar]

Christian history king Richard 2 married Elisabeth of France when she was just 6 years old in 1396 They are just ani Islam

[formal pilot]

Yes i agree that morality was different back in those days, average life expectancy was below 30, but it's strange that a prophet who was meant to be a prophet of every era, married a minor

[turbid ivy]

Dude he is not quoting fath al bari at all. In fact, if you read fath al bari, it says Aisha was playing with her dolls and it was allowed for aisha to play with dolls, cause she was immature. Here is the fath al bhari vol 13

[tiny apex]

I can tell, you just have to let them be hateful sometimes you can not change peoples mind

[manic juniper]

Is he considered a prophet

[tiny apex]

Thank you thank you

[manic juniper]

I didn't know they had more Christian books by 1396

[tiny apex]

We’re talking about people from that time and how people are singling out the middle east right now as if people were not married young everywhere

[formal pilot]

Middle eat

[tiny apex]

And even this was after the prophet was gone

[formal pilot]

Grape

[turbid ivy]

Not so... Allah says he has turned jews into rats
https://quran.com/al-baqarah/65/tafsirs

[tiny apex]

Sorry 😂

[sullen cedar]

Ure following Jesus? How many children in Europe don’t know their families?

[manic juniper]

It wasn't really the norm in Europe, I don't know about the Middle East but those were marriages of political importance

[pliant oriole]

this words didn't say that prophet mohammed and aisha didn't marital intercourse before her puberty

[manic juniper]

Did Jesus know his family? Wasn't he born without a father. Also no I don't

[turbid ivy]

Which Jews harmed muslims in 7th century arabia?

[tiny apex]

In the Roman Empire during the time of the prophet many were getting married at just 12 you can look this up as well

[manic juniper]

All of the classmates I ever had knew their biological except one that was adopted

[formal pilot]

Are you using this to justify killings of innocent civilians by the Zionists regime?

[turbid ivy]

That's not even fath al bari, dude i doubled checked it. and i posted actual fath al bari

[sullen cedar]

Isn’t he a prophet? Or as Christian say he’s God?

[manic juniper]

There is a big difference between the Roman Empire and medieval Europe, where such marriages were still more of a thing of the nobility

In medieval Europe most people married in their early 20s, or 17 at most

[manic juniper]

He is but what does that have to do with orphans

[tiny apex]

Definitely but I’m mentioning specifically the time of the prophet to be more accurate to time

[pliant oriole]

don't give wrong explaination, the true explaination that those who turned monkey was people that go fishing on saturday (god forbidden fishing at saturday at that time) so god punish the people to be turned to monkey, this was for sector of people not all jews

[sullen cedar]

It’s really normal in Europe for 13 years old girls || sleep with man || so don’t talk about Islam and middle eastern people

[tiny apex]

Comparing the 600s to the 1300s isn’t accurate in my opinion

[turbid ivy]

Silly article with zero source attached, common

[high raven]

Finally, the monkey discussion

[turbid ivy]

Of course not.

[manic juniper]

Sexual intercourse at a young age has nothing to do with having a family or not, and that happens between minors for the most part lmao

It's not happening between adults and minors

[formal pilot]

I had fish on last shabbat btw

[tiny apex]

How was it

[sullen cedar]

So it’s like marriage u know

[manic juniper]

It's not, at all

[turbid ivy]

Did you know who celebrates sabbath? It's jews

[formal pilot]

Delicious

[manic juniper]

Plus marriage between minors is still less bad morally than marriage between a minor and an adult

Still dogshit. But at least both parties are on the same level

[tiny apex]

Good to hear fish is some good food so I am glad you tried it

[pliant oriole]

the jewish tribes in madinah was harming prophet and there was two jews tribes get united with qurish disbeliver in elkhandk battle, and see what zionists do these days and you 'll know why we hate them

[pliant oriole]

it means part of them who didn't listen to allah instruction not all jews

[tiny apex]

We can all agree the genocide in Palestine is bad though even if we are different religions

[sullen cedar]

What’s the difference between it? And besides I saw a lot especially in Europe calling them || sugar daddy || so don’t try talk about one nation and culture

[turbid ivy]

No, they didn't harm him, infact Muhammad was harming them. Lemme give you an article with sources attached Here, https://apologetics-101.com/archives/586

[formal pilot]

I've some sensitive questions about it, i might ask it in the provisional council

[manic juniper]

You are mistaking people joking on the internet for actual events in real life but fine I guess, keep living in that world

And did you really ask what's the difference between minors finding out about sexuality and child marriage? What the fuck

[formal pilot]

Everyone wanted to kill each other in ME, wild region

[turbid ivy]

I know but they were jews, when you write something about a certian group of people that God made them rats and monkeys, that's not so interesting. Plus, we know Muhammad was asking for the money from the jews cause he said Allah needs to loan, and jews replied, God aint need money. Then muhammad became angry and tried to ruin their life
Source: https://apologetics-101.com/archives/586

[sullen cedar]

Nah u guy’s talking about Islam a lot so learn respect

[tiny apex]

All this discourse I’m wondering if you all are debating or are just talking with biases

[manic juniper]

I didn't even mention Islam, I asked how's that a valid comparison when it's 7 centuries later

[sullen cedar]

It’s the same || getting pregnant || so yeah it’s totally normal for an Europian family

[formal pilot]

I agree with the second half

[tiny apex]

I’m starting to think that myself

[manic juniper]

Do you know what condoms and birth control are? They don't get pregnant, if they did our birth rates wouldn't be so low

[tiny apex]

There is a lot of hate here I think some of you need to get educated properly before discussing topics

[turbid ivy]

Let that Aisha argument be alone, if you read surah 65.4 you will notice Islam allows to have intercourse with prepubsuenet

[pliant oriole]

muslims lost in battle called أحد because some mulisms walk against instructions of prophet, this meaning that allah hate muslims? the similler thing was made with jews when some of them went fishing on saturaday they were punished,

[formal pilot]

It has always been like this lol

[turbid ivy]

Did he say they are monkeys or rats? Or did he ask the money from them,, or did he say oo force him to walk in a narrow side?

[tiny apex]

For the last time the Quran is 1400 years old 🫩 I am not justifying it but some lines of course are not going to be correct in modern times

[turbid ivy]

Does the morality of God changes overtime?

[sullen cedar]

Bruh that girl just said it’s normal but in Islam it’s not

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[turbid ivy]

with prepubsuent girls, that's not normal buddy.. why follow such books?

[tiny apex]

A lot of the writings were based on society as it was at that time, some of course need to be taken with a grain of salt? No logical person follows blindly

[formal pilot]

Alialialaialialaialialaialialaialiali

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852880123112063047.gif?size=64&animated=true&name=z_teddyhyperdance

[pliant oriole]

first you interrupt the verse in wrong way, and I illustrate to you, you were wrong, i don't know you mean to that or not, but study islam in right way and understand well if you wanna go to discussions, I am not islam scientist and I don't memorize a lot of quaran verse, but with my simple knowledge I bit some mistakes you made

[high raven]

Southern Lebanese:

[turbid ivy]

Uhh? So are you saying Allah allowed prepubescent girls to engage in sexual intercourse at the 7th century and now he changed his rules?
OR are you saying those moral laws are not good anymore,, which emplies change in God that he used to be lil good but since he now changed his moral laws, he is far good now

[manic juniper]

Is it specified where those cursed Jews lived (those turned into monkeys)

Or could they have lived anywhere

[turbid ivy]

When i see him asking money and if they dont, he starts pulling them up tryna harm them, forcing them to walk in a narrow path.. what does that prove dude?

[thorny steeple]

Whatever it going to happen
The girls of this chat are identified as Karen

[pliant oriole]

i read this verse and it doesn't say thing about what you say

[tiny apex]

🫩 for the millionth time the lifespan was shortened due to lack of health care and how they lived so many people (again all over the world) were getting married young which is why that was permitted at the time in no way have I said that was right however

Times have changed and according to statistics people live much longer so there is no need for people to get married as young, but the Quran has never been altered

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-hasbulla-look-hasbulla-eye-roll-gif-12123176261091542473

[turbid ivy]

So when Allah was asking loan in surah 3.181.. Muhammad sent his follower to ask money from the jews right?

[sullen cedar]

with this idea of child marriage is that the Quran states there is a “marriage age” and while it doesn’t give a number, it’s describes the attributes of the person. “Mature of mind and sound in judgement” do not sound like the attributes of a child.

“And test the orphans [in your charge] until they reach a marriage­able age; then, if you find them to be mature of mind/sound in judgment, hand over to them their possessions…” (Quran, 4:6)

[muted roost]

whats the serious topic here in the menu

[tiny apex]

Modern imams will never ever suggest pedophilia u less were talking extreme cases in Afghanistan or a country under harsh Islamic rule (which most Muslims don’t even agree with)

[thorny steeple]

Drunk

Car

[tiny apex]

It’s really as simple as that I don’t understand why we are going in circles?

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad died at the age of 63.. and it's almost the similar age that people die rn,, so there is no difference.

[thorny steeple]

Not that's a bunny

[sullen cedar]

Ure Christian?

[manic juniper]

No, why

[tiny apex]

That’s a few people and he was blessed to live that long do you think everyone in the 600s lived as long as we live?

[formal pilot]

Child marriage, karen and hazbullah

[sullen cedar]

Oh I thought u are

[tiny apex]

I’m so confused as to what you’re trying to prove

[turbid ivy]

I have responed that as well, here
https://apologetics-101.com/archives/611

[thorny steeple]

Child marriage

[muted roost]

achha lekin hazbullah kya hai

[manic juniper]

If I become one then the world really is near its end

[sullen cedar]

I never read that in Quran wahhh where did those whole people get those info

[turbid ivy]

That's not called blessed, there are a lots of people in history i can point out that lived 60-70

[tiny apex]

I’m agreeing with you but I’m telling you the way that you are wording this is harmful and it comes off very anti islam no Muslim except in extreme cases like certain people in Afghanistan will suggest child marriage ever

[high raven]

Dangerous game to pick and choose verses

[manic juniper]

They lived between 50 and 80 on average

[turbid ivy]

Tafsirs

[thorny steeple]

Tuffsirs

[turbid ivy]

Read commentary but tafsir ibn kathir surah 65.4

[thorny steeple]

I'm a @normal rose

Also @rustic slate

[formal pilot]

Weren't you interested in accepting islam?

[thorny steeple]

Nice

[tiny apex]

In the area where prophet Muhammad lived (I just looked this up): if people survived their childhood years, they could live past 35 however 30-50% did not live past the age of 5 due to external issues like lack of healthcare as I have mentioned

[high raven]

He found out that knee high socks were haram

[tiny apex]

So I don’t know where your numbers are coming from but they aren’t the normal

[thorny steeple]

Gain more sins before repentance

[manic juniper]

Roman Empire which isn't far from there

[thorny steeple]

Lmao

[pliant oriole]

i read it will, the story was that abobakr was giving advice to him to follow prophet as mentioned in tourah and to pay money helping poor people and for what god loves to enter eljannah, so the jew person say that god is poor because he ask us for money (he is stupid as god didn't ask money for him, god ask to pay money for poor) so abobakr get mad that jewish person belittles God and describe him in being poor

[manic juniper]

If they survived childhood I don't see why it wasn't possible to marry later than their teens then

[tiny apex]

I won’t doubt that perhaps that is right where prophet Muhammad lived that was not the case

[tiny apex]

I’m no historian and personally? I wish they did but those are the facts, people got married young because a long life was not certain

[thorny steeple]

And they asked the prophet to start kicking jews from madinah because their words

[manic juniper]

I don't think it had much to do with age, they simply were immoral compared to now

[turbid ivy]

I can post a lots of verses in the Quran that allah asks for the loan, and there is no context mentioned about poor people. If that was the case, Abi bakr had to say it's for the poor.. the jews replied God is not needy that he needs money... did the jew say something wrong? Not so. How did Abi Bakr respond? With violence

[manic juniper]

And even up until a century ago or so

[formal pilot]

I hope Thigh Highs aren't haram

[formal pilot]

Jew mentality

[tiny apex]

Child marriage has been legal in many countries for a shockingly long time unfortunately

[pliant oriole]

abobakr got mad with help because jew person insult god, and every person get mad when someone insult his religious belifes, as if someone say wrong thing about jesus of course you 'll get mad

[tiny apex]

I don’t support it I hope you all know that many other Muslims do not as well

[thorny steeple]

Dating a 14-year-old in france is legal

[turbid ivy]

Let's be clear, do you believe marriage with prepubsenet girls are morally good?

It doesn;t matter in which society they had such laws, the thing im pointing out is that,, you claim those rules are from God, not those people that you are mentioning

[manic juniper]

Dating isn't the same as marriage

[thorny steeple]

Ong

Wait

I'm not a Jew

[tiny apex]

As I just said right above of course I don’t that’s a disgusting thing to support don’t make the past the present

[manic juniper]

Usually there is an age ceiling for it too, in my country it's legal to have intercourse at 16 but the age difference has to be 4 years or lower

[lime cobalt]

Prophet is guided by the All-Knowing God (across ages), yet people of today and even the future may question it, since religion is supposed to be a universal moral.

[manic juniper]

Meaning a 21 yo can't be with a 16 yo

[sullen cedar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6eZm1cA8hL0?si=bQR6FZoQXYeUIAxg

[turbid ivy]

If that's disgusting, are you saying God gave the moral laws that are disgusting lol?

[tiny apex]

People who let religion completely guide them in life and not having any basic autonomy are not examples I want to hear

[tiny apex]

🫩 it’s like we’re going in circles here I just explained exactly why

Have you been reading anything I wrote?

[turbid ivy]

When did he change his moral laws btw since you are saing it was only halal to follow them at the 7th century but not now?

Which law do you follow now, can i see that verse

[thorny steeple]

Marriage is better when you marry a woman you will be responsible for her. Her food her clothes her safety

[formal pilot]

Most Muslims today don’t marry at 9. I avoid discussing Aisha’s age because many muslims feel compelled to defend it out of reverence, even if they wouldn’t practice it themselves. the risk is that such arguments might unintentionally validate harmful views of a predator

[sullen cedar]

Bruh it’s the same!

[manic juniper]

That has nothing to do with consent tho

[manic juniper]

How

[pliant oriole]

loan in quraun doesn't mean the loan we took from bank and spend it on us, god used this as a metaphor that man who give poor money and pay money for serving islam and muslim is like trading with god, when bank give you loan you return it with interst, the same thing with god when you give money in ways god told you(as giving poor people money) god then gives you a lot of rewards more than what you deserve and this rewards is called 'hassanat' which is like a score to enter janahh, in summary the word loan is a metaphor not in letteral meaning that we give god money in bank account like we do between each other as humen

[thorny steeple]

But when you dating you only sleep with her. And you can leave her any time you want@manic juniper

[tiny apex]

The Quran was passed down to prophet Muhammad in the 600s, in the writings were specifically about things that had happened before and currently (current as in prophets Muhammad’s time) and was not supposed to be a guide on how to live in 2025

[manic juniper]

Eating at Hesburger one afternoon isn't the same as living together and sleeping on the same bed

[sullen cedar]

Is it okey to have || sex || in 14 💀 but it’s not okey to marry ? Wtf 💀

[tiny apex]

I’m not explaining this again I don’t understand how this isn’t getting through to you

[formal pilot]

I suggest all my fellow atheist friends to keep this in mind

[manic juniper]

Where did I say that? Lol

Or who did

[tiny apex]

It’s simple: book from 1400 years ago? = not modern and wouldn’t be looked upon the same

What’s not clicking I need to know

[sullen cedar]

U say dating is normal!?

[manic juniper]

Yes, what does that have to do with sex

[turbid ivy]

Ah, if that's not that kinda of loan, then why did he say if you Give God loan, he will give you more.. so that's the basic idea that he will pay you with interest lol

[formal pilot]

There's a reason why this topic is banned from politics and religion server

[manic juniper]

My friends dated at 14, all they did was climbing buildings together, having pizza, playing games together and kissing

[turbid ivy]

But if you read surah 65.4, it's the law given to muslims. Which moral law do they follow now?

[sullen cedar]

Are u fr?! I see girls in those countries had it when they were 13 because they call it date

[tiny apex]

I follow my own morals? I use my religion as a guide but at the end of the day can form my own opinions as a human being? Do you follow everything in the Old Testament to the last detail?

[turbid ivy]

And hookups as well, that's bad

[manic juniper]

Even if true, that doesn't have to do with what I said

[formal pilot]

No

It's not bad

[manic juniper]

I didn't say it makes it right or anything

[sullen cedar]

It’s true girls there saying for themselves and they call it freedom 💀

[turbid ivy]

You follow your own subjective laws?

Well, we christians are not under any law but under the grace. We follow law out of love, and we follow the teachings of jesus from the gospels mostly since the old covenat was a treaty between jews and GOd

[thorny steeple]

Why do you think marriage underages is a bad thing?

[pliant oriole]

read my word well, i say that giving money to poor and get hassanat from god is like you give him loan and he will return it to you with much interests

[tiny apex]

I understand look I want you to read this I understand what you’re saying the writings are based in a time that is long gone and people should follow what is legally and morally correct NOW there was a need for people getting married young as a lifestyle choice and is NOT needed now.

[manic juniper]

You're talking about anecdotes tho

[manic juniper]

Why do you think it isn't?

[thorny steeple]

I can't follow thr context

[sullen cedar]

Then yes people are also free to marry when they want

[thorny steeple]

But I'm sure if I did i will end up banned

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-confusion-gif-10824788

[tiny apex]

Of course I do 😭 I of course do listen to the teachings of Allah but as a person with a brain I know that it is outdated in some fashion so I follow my own values out of empathy and intelligence

[thorny steeple]

I know that is right it's not a bad thing for me

[pliant oriole]

god don't need our money, he just encourage us to pay money for what muslim needs like chairity works, and for money you pays, god 'll give you rewards multiple of what you deserve

[tiny apex]

Can we finally get over this topic I am so tired of saying the same thing

[turbid ivy]

The verse doesnt talk about giving to poor, but it talks about giving loan to allah

[tiny apex]

Let’s agree to disagree I beg

[sullen cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/headache-my-head-hurts-headache-cat-gif-14622281057500278312

[manic juniper]

Well that's difficult to do with people who excuse pedophilia

[turbid ivy]

Oh common, so you dont obey the quran now?

[lime cobalt]

You are questioning the path of salvation

[uncut tiger]

Still hating on Islam?

[tiny apex]

We are literally going in circles you aren’t reading a thing I say

[high raven]

Yes

[turbid ivy]

Well, you have already left 50% of islam, it's time to really leave it lol

[high raven]

Not me though I'm nice

[tiny apex]

I’m losing my mind here

[uncut tiger]

I should take a break from serious chat today

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ichthyosaur-swimming-turning-rotating-natural-history-museum-alive-gif-5770430960534163229

[pliant oriole]

do you understand me will? the true explanation is that it's a metaphor not the literall meaning

[turbid ivy]

That law is given to muslims, that way they gotta handle the divorce, if you dont follow that right now.. i dont know which law you follow rn

[uncut tiger]

Yes this is good

[uncut tiger]

I like when serious chat is like this

[tiny apex]

I don’t know who’s doing that but I just want to say I don’t, I’m acknowledging that there was time that that was the normal and it no longer isn’t in fact it’s disgusting to say other wise

[high raven]

Ruined by vegans yesterday, by more debates today, when will we go back to normality (Incoherent messages)

[turbid ivy]

ohh so when it says loan to Allah, it means loan to poor.. so you are saying the word Allah is a metphorical meaning for the poor people?

[manic juniper]

If you scroll up at least two people did

[uncut tiger]

I want Minecraft to come back 😭

[verbal abyss]

damn don't you wanna live in a forest

[uncut tiger]

He can fix this

[tiny apex]

I don’t know what you think of Muslims but outside of countries like Afghanistan or Iran no one is enforcing this law you keep talking about

[lime cobalt]

Look at this meat eater Felek !!!! they are fighting lol

[formal pilot]

Don't worry I'm doing my research to attack your beliefs, finally i found a good religious person who can discuss without logical fallacies

[tiny apex]

Then they’re wrong without a doubt don’t let those people skew your view on islam

[manic juniper]

I never said it's what Islam is about

[uncut tiger]

@tender vessel

[pliant oriole]

you are stupid, it's like your father says if you study well and got high marks I 'll give you more reward

[uncut tiger]

💀 💀

[tiny apex]

No I know im just mentioning continue on though

[turbid ivy]

That's how they dont obey their GOd but follow the western values and their laws

[formal pilot]

Now you know

[uncut tiger]

No way bro

[pliant oriole]

he mean give money to poor people and reward 'll be given from me, this is metaphor in arabic language

[feral river]

Im in thailand for vacation

[uncut tiger]

That's shocking

[feral river]

But I can cover you by this speech

[verbal abyss]

Yo

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/spirit-gif-20726051

[formal pilot]

Ask any old serious chat enjoyer lol

[high raven]

I'm a proud Orthodox extremist and will not budge

[uncut tiger]

Trust me it's a male, don't fall in her trap

[turbid ivy]

Ah, does it say that?

You are saying it's a metaphor for Allah to say give me loan, which means GIve loan to poors

so Me (Allah) is a metaphor for poor

[tiny apex]

Western values and laws? It’s morally wrong to support pedophilia no educated person anywhere supports this

[uncut tiger]

[manic juniper]

Trap?

[turbid ivy]

Then you shouldn't be a muslim, dude

[feral river]

Anytime you are allowed to forward this speech

[uncut tiger]

It's a joke about Thailand's ladyboys lmao

[pliant oriole]

read the true explanation of this verse, and don't talk about my religious belifs in bad manner, of course you won't be happy if anyone insult jesus, so talking in respectuful way

[formal pilot]

Khomaini my beloved

[thorny steeple]

Is that your voice?

[uncut tiger]

Copy that seaarhhgent 💦

[manic juniper]

Yes I know, I'm saying... Is it a trap if he knows

[feral river]

Yeah

[lime cobalt]

I summon Fellek from the Vegan Kingdom to fight.

[uncut tiger]

Hell nawh

[feral river]

Femboys ?

[thorny steeple]

You are not my femboy anymore 💔

[turbid ivy]

IT's you who said it's a metaphor for to say help poor lol

[feral river]

That exists here

[uncut tiger]

Yea

[high raven]

Fight what?

[tiny apex]

? No matter the religion you should always lead with your own values and morals you can be guided by belief but anyone who blindly follows any religion is wrong

[uncut tiger]

[lime cobalt]

Meat eater

[tiny apex]

I’m proud of being a Muslim nothing will change that, I appreciate your worry but I follow what I follow

[uncut tiger]

Irrelevant!

Btw Islamabadi is better ask any one

[feral river]

The grand palace

[formal pilot]

Isn't it relevant to you

[turbid ivy]

That's the exact point im tryna make. If you read the quran the command you notice is that prophet is the best role model for mankind, you suppose to emulate his example.. do you agree with that?

[uncut tiger]

What are you gonna eat In Thailand

[pliant oriole]

in arabic don't translate in literal way, we have thing called metaphores and if you read well my explanation it 'll be enough to understand that god is encouraging us to spend money and use the metaphor of loaning as loaning means that you get rewards on what you are paying

[feral river]

Im having vacation probably a week later I will return to China

[manic juniper]

Is this some kind of government building in Theravada Buddhist architecture

[feral river]

This is the king’s palace

[manic juniper]

Ngl it looks like France if it was based

[uncut tiger]

Is he a femboy

[feral river]

In bangkok, their capital

[pliant oriole]

no doubt in that

[uncut tiger]

Visit bangdik

[tiny apex]

The prophet was perfect at his time take anyone from the 600s and there’s always something we can disagree with, I don’t emulate anyone the point of being a Muslim is to focus on your own betterment lead a good life and be a good person

[manic juniper]

I wish they enslaved and forced my ancestors to build an amazing palace like that so I could enjoy the view in the modern free world

[feral river]

Nah i don’t like it anyway I’m here to experience real life gun shot

[turbid ivy]

That's what im saying, dude, you are saying when Allah asks loans, it means it's for poor people right?

[turbid ivy]

So, he is not a perfect role model now?

[feral river]

Can’t wait to see a random NPC and empty my load

[uncut tiger]

Why do you carry a gun as a tourist in a foreign country filled with femboys

[formal pilot]

Bluff

He got blurry gun

[uncut tiger]

What is bluff

[pliant oriole]

yes, but I didn't say that 's metaphor that allah is poor

[feral river]

As long as I hold the guns, I’m the owner of the country

[thorny steeple]

How the hell did you know it is my dream

[tiny apex]

You shouldn’t try to be exactly like anyone, the point is to be a good Muslim to pray to give all you can and be a helpful, kind, and good person it is not him himself it is to be “a good Muslim with those values” that you should try and emulate

Which I believe are values anyone of any religions or belief should follow

[pliant oriole]

you actually said what jew person said

[uncut tiger]

Go distract the Thai military, so Cambodia can win

[verbal abyss]

It's cool! Please do it cuz we don't need pedophiles among us

[formal pilot]

?def bludf

?def bluff

[cursive bobcat]

Word: bluff

Definition 1 (verb): deceive an opponent by a bold bet on an inferior hand with the result that the opponent withdraws a winning hand
Definition 2 (adjective): very steep; having a prominent and almost vertical front
Definition 3 (noun): the act of bluffing in poker; deception by a false show of confidence in the strength of your cards

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[cursive bobcat]

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[uncut tiger]

Lol

Are you carrying a water gun Minecraft

For the bluffing

[pliant oriole]

it is like when your father tell you give this poor person a money and when i return home i will give you reward like you loaned me

[feral river]

Nah I would carry M16 and AKM

And shot some NPC’s head

[uncut tiger]

If any femboy tries to take your hand and pull you into a spa, pew pew them in the ducking head.

[manic juniper]

Can't you give the money out of compassion, that sounds like he's just seeking a future reward

[feral river]

Then it would say
“You knocked out ProHamasExtremist#91 by headshot using AKM”

[tiny apex]

I think good karma is what he’s talking about

[manic juniper]

Yes but no one should expect that

[thorny steeple]

I'll go to an island with my wives constructing my kingdom when you have 4 wives you can get 4 babies in a one year after 12 years of pregnancy and giving birth you'll have at least 24 son and daughter

You can ask for you independence 😌

[pliant oriole]

yes god means that helping poor 'll result that he 'll give you rewards that help you get into jannah, and make spending your money efficient

[manic juniper]

Would you help the poor if you didn't get any reward in return?

[lime cobalt]

He want maiden in return.

[uncut tiger]

Masterclasse.

[feral river]

Too risky I had sex friends

[uncut tiger]

What if I ask the same from you

[feral river]

Why not capture some slaves in your ancestors world so you would be called colonizer that would make you feel superior in modern world

[manic juniper]

I only did so once because poor and homeless people are rare to find in Finland

It didn't even happen in my country

[tiny apex]

What’s Finland like

[turbid ivy]

So what's the meaning of that verse?

[manic juniper]

Also I didn't even have money with me I gave him a candy because that's all I had

[turbid ivy]

But such qualities he didn't have

[formal pilot]

Beautiful, cold and racist

[manic juniper]

That'd be ideal but unfortunately my ancestors weren't Swedish nobles

[pliant oriole]

god created sense of chairaty in us, since we were childs we were created with sence of helping poor people, and in our belifes we shouldn't wait for poor persons to return money for us, there vere in quran says in it's meaning "[Saying], "We feed you only for the countenance of Allah. We wish not from you reward or gratitude." this describing good belivers principle, we make chairaty for god even no one appreciate that it's enough that god see we are good persons and helping poor

[tiny apex]

Huh? He prayed he did give and he helped many people as seen in hadiths now you’re just refuting basic truth

😂

[feral river]

You can take revenge by saying, your ancestor isn’t the colonizer of swedishes

[manic juniper]

It's cold so the government gives homeless people an home to save money on healthcare, otherwise they need more assistance

[feral river]

War justified

[tiny apex]

Sounded good until the last, will keep my distance

[formal pilot]

Unfortunately most finns I've encountered so far weren't racist

[tiny apex]

Well that’s more than they do for the homeless here in America they are everywhere

[turbid ivy]

Oh but you help the poor, you didn't loan your father, you actually help the poor. The word loan is when you lend something with expectation of the higher value. It's a transaction, a business. Not a charity

[manic juniper]

It's difficult to be racist in English

[tiny apex]

Unfortunately 😂 that’s good though

[feral river]

There’s no race in most of East Asia

[manic juniper]

USA doesn't have universal public healthcare so it'd make less sense, but at the same time the whole system is way more inefficient at the moment

[feral river]

everybody is automatically racist

Cuz there’s no other race in the country

Everybody is white or yellow

[manic juniper]

I saw one of those "Japanese-speakers only" bar in Hokkaido

[formal pilot]

Everyone is egg

[lime cobalt]

One blood on reich

[feral river]

Lmfao that exists

[pliant oriole]

تفسير ابن كثير

مَّن ذَا الَّذِي يُقْرِضُ اللَّهَ قَرْضًا حَسَنًا فَيُضَاعِفَهُ لَهُ وَلَهُ أَجْرٌ كَرِيمٌ|
وقوله : ( من ذا الذي يقرض الله قرضا حسنا ) Omar bin Al-Khattab said: It is spending in the way of God. It was said: It is spending on one’s family. The correct view is that it is more general than that. Everyone who spends in the way of God with a pure intention and true resolve is included in the generality of this verse.

[formal pilot]

[tiny apex]

Don’t even get me started on that healthcare, a few years ago I had to have stitches with no healthcare the bill was so ridiculously high

[manic juniper]

Meanwhile I was hospitalised in another EU country for free

[turbid ivy]

Ohh can I see that he actually helped the poor?

Did you know what privileges he got from his God?
Al Qortobi says if he sees any woman beautiful, it's his right to take her.. and if she is married, her husband gotta divorce her

[formal pilot]

Deep down they might be racist, or if i ever went to that region, they might smoke me

[tiny apex]

Lucky you I would love healthcare like that here

[pliant oriole]

god use metaphor loan, to say that i 'll reward you like when you give loan to one and you insured that he should return money to you, so god use this metaphor to emphasize that everything you pay in chairity you 'll be rewarded multiple of it

[manic juniper]

Not as much because you are not black or Russian, there are more racist countries in Europe (on average)

[tiny apex]

I won’t bother looking it up because it’s common knowledge the prophet was a helpful man, if you don’t believe me you can look these up there are many stories

[manic juniper]

Finland is just more specialised in racism

[tiny apex]

I have a strong feeling you just dislike Muslims so there is no reason for me to continue to entertain you

[feral river]

That would be a good country to live

Every country should have a main ethnics

[pliant oriole]

so using word loan can be understood that It is inevitable that muslim 'll be rewarded if he pays money in things god asked him to pay if make it in loyal way, as when payin a loan to person it's inevitable that he 'll return money to you or reward

[tiny apex]

I’ve heard countries in Europe are getting increasingly racist as of late so I’d be careful if I were you

[formal pilot]

I can disguise myself as Mexican or Middle Eastern

[feral river]

And social order shall not be disrupted by aliens

[wraith sorrel]

so was it finland, the happiest country in the world?

[manic juniper]

[tiny apex]

Is it really

[feral river]

Like in China if you are a muslim which we don’t recognize, get the fuck off of your religious clothes that would disrupt the social order

[manic juniper]

People are happier than most other countries I visited, at least on average

[feral river]

Wearing regular clothes would be fine

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't say it's the happiest tho

[formal pilot]

That's one of the major reasons why I'm not migrating anytime soon

[tiny apex]

So is an abaya or burka not allowed in china?

I hear they don’t like Muslims there anyway

[feral river]

Ofc it’s highly illegal and treason

[manic juniper]

Idk maybe Denmark is happier, or at least Danes act as if they are

[tiny apex]

Well thankfully I won’t head to china then sounds like a nice country for everybody else though

[feral river]

Ok though if you are one of them

[formal pilot]

@tiny apex are you a progressive muslim?

[feral river]

We don’t need people who would disrupt the social order

National supremacy

[wraith sorrel]

nordic

[formal pilot]

Beo will migrate to turkey

[tiny apex]

I’d say I am yes I don’t like people who hate on islam for various reasons that you have already seen run rampant here, but I vehemently hate extremism

I feel that every religion not just islam should not be followed blindly

[formal pilot]

Yes, you seem like one of the good guys who won't chop my head off

[feral river]

That’s the reason you can see there’s extremists in US, Europe, Middle east but you can’t find them in China, Russia, North Korea

Our country is totally for our natives

[tiny apex]

😂 don’t worry I won’t be doing that any time soon

[feral river]

Our people first

[formal pilot]

I'd love to hear your opinion on homosexuality

For the record I'm straight

[feral river]

And trump is making America first

[formal pilot]

Under ideal temperature and pressure

[tiny apex]

Oh trump is awful

[feral river]

🇺🇸 MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

[formal pilot]

Beo

[tiny apex]

Wrong reply but he’s awful

[formal pilot]

Son of cleopatra

[tiny apex]

Glad you had to clear that up

[feral river]

He’s the savior of the civilized world

He’s the God

[wraith sorrel]

still don't know who's my father yet because of htat

[formal pilot]

Disadvantages of not being a Muslim

[lime cobalt]

What is progresive muslim ?

[feral river]

There’s no muslims

[tiny apex]

I think people should be free to do what they want* why kill or shun someone for loving another consenting adult? I have gay friends and I love them all as long as this love is not something wrong like pedophilia or grooming or something like that I am fine with it

[formal pilot]

They're chill and they believe islamic laws are designed for themselves, so they don't force it to anyone

[feral river]

Then get the fuck back to their lslamic place

Exactly their ideal land, great

Trump’s helping them

[tiny apex]

Where would you suggest the 2 billion Muslims go

[formal pilot]

A progressive muslim is the worst nightmare for extremist hindus and Christians (Islamophobs)

[lime cobalt]

How many of them is progresive ?

[high raven]

The equivalent of a Shia or a Catholic

[feral river]

Afghanistan was a nice place

[tiny apex]

Afghanistan is pretty small 🤔 how would it hold so many people

They’d start going into other countries I doubt you want that

[formal pilot]

It's hard to find folks like this in your community, what do you think might be the reason?
Extremist interpretations of texts or fear of losing identity or something different

[formal pilot]

I've encountered many, online and irl

[high raven]

I don't think it can hold that many people

[feral river]

It could through deportation

And natural selection

[tiny apex]

In my own experience it’s that people cannot think for themselves also in a lot of Muslim countries education is difficult to receive so some people follow what they are told

[high raven]

The same should be for Chinese, there's far too many and there's no reason to have that many of the same people

India too actually

[tiny apex]

Overpopulation is a big problem in those countries

[formal pilot]

cannibalism is the way to go

[true lagoon]

Boo

[lime cobalt]

Nice but for sure wahabbi hate that

[tiny apex]

Hey I remember you boo

[true lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/goatplaybanjo-poules-cannibal-gif-16041877815828183283

[formal pilot]

Do you think with education we can make masses (muslims) more progressive?

[high raven]

It really is and would be solved by wiping out 90% of the Wang, Li, Zhang, Liu, and Chen's

[formal pilot]

Ik a wahabi who turned into atheist

[true lagoon]

Just don't let Muslims in the progressive society

[tiny apex]

I think it would be a generational thing, many of my Muslim peers think the same way I do so being exposed to different people + education would make more Muslims progressive for sure

[wraith sorrel]

movies/series/ads are a good option too

[true lagoon]

They either won't adapt or they'll start imposing their customs

[formal pilot]

Na

There are some muslims and Christians i would never want them to become atheists

[formal pilot]

Yes media can be used to educate folks

[formal pilot]

Understandable

[tiny apex]

Muslims aren’t a hive mind you know

I do hope you know that

[lime cobalt]

teaching the philosophy of materialism is a good start.

[true lagoon]

The Pope and sheikhs

[formal pilot]

Sure if I get paid enough

[true lagoon]

Everything is possible

North Korean propaganda is the closest thing to a hive mind

[tiny apex]

When I’m able to communicate with 2 billion people at once you’ll be the first to know 🙏

[wraith sorrel]

there is a musilm dude in inst that i came across, he's so convincing and humble, got reasonable arguments about islam, if i wasn't an atheist, i'd probably become a muslim

[true lagoon]

You're an atheist? 🤔

[formal pilot]

Yes, they're chill and fun to hangout with, except for some

@thorny steeple btw will accept islam for a girl

[wraith sorrel]

bibi is already talking about the greater israel

[thorny steeple]

Bro exposing me 😭 😭

[wraith sorrel]

yes

[sullen cedar]

Ure supporting isreal?

[true lagoon]

You'll do anything for money

[true lagoon]

The Israel that doesn't exist?

[wraith sorrel]

i do not

[formal pilot]

No

[sullen cedar]

Good good

[tiny apex]

How do you all feel the conflict in Palestine and Israel could be resolved?

[true lagoon]

Would you join Ukrainian army for money?

[lime cobalt]

Zakir naik

[sullen cedar]

@feral river

[true lagoon]

There's no way to resolve it

[formal pilot]

Number of non Zionists jews are more than ever, eventually they'll become significant enough to shape the regime, and make it more secular and liberal

Everyone in that region will have equal rights, jews and muslims will live in peace

[wraith sorrel]

I have never thought about that before, stopping bibi seems impossible

[true lagoon]

At least not now

[formal pilot]

How much

[true lagoon]

Bibi is too desperate

[tiny apex]

Interesting I would like to hope this would ever happen

[tiny apex]

Right which is unfortunate because it only means more destruction

[wraith sorrel]

he can be considered as an extremist for an outsider, definitly not him.

[trail sky]

Hey guysss what r y'all talking about

[tiny apex]

If they brought you in to help solve the conflict as if this was a utopia which is what I mean

[formal pilot]

Even the mighty Roman empire didn't withstand the time, it's just a small Zionist regime

[tiny apex]

Hello we’re just sort of talking about conflicts and such I think

[trail sky]

Ahh nicee

[true lagoon]

$5K, but joining Ukrainian army literally means death in a trench

[wraith sorrel]

Time will tell

[trail sky]

Dang if I said it in here I would have crazy digital footprint 💀

[formal pilot]

I won't join it for an active combat zone

[tiny apex]

I’ve seen a lot since I’ve been here so feel free to share

[lime cobalt]

Say it

[formal pilot]

Or i might if you increase the amount

[thorny steeple]

Join the russian side and get the citizenship

[vagrant swan]

i saw a ukrainian guy posting war videos in yt

[trail sky]

I'm not gonna I'll just read what you guys say

[wraith sorrel]

that will be an active combat zone too

[formal pilot]

Depends on money

[true lagoon]

All the territory of Ukraine gets bombed by Russian UAVs/drones, especially military facilities

[tiny apex]

5k is so low I would ask for so much more

[high raven]

No more religion?:(

[trail sky]

What was in the video

[tiny apex]

Oh thank god don’t call them back here I beg

[trail sky]

Hi baddie sanna

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/two-people-laughing-on-table-laugh-laughing-lol-gif-3006610283817764608

[thorny steeple]

Aladdin is the God of war
He gonna finish it

[formal pilot]

I'm ready for it, for 160 acres of fertile land in france

[high raven]

Liz! How are you? Been a while!

[lime cobalt]

Mr trump order to 1 hour ceasfire

[vagrant swan]

well idk, conflict maybe 🤔

[wraith sorrel]

I saw video uploaded by tornado chasers, it's one of the coolest things, will send you the link, never knew tornados were this powerful

[thorny steeple]

You gain medals

[trail sky]

Yeees I'm doing great I was away on vacation for some days,it was fun

[wraith sorrel]

out of all the places france?

[vagrant swan]

that feels straight outta joe rogan

[formal pilot]

More Russian medals is directly proportional to not getting accepted in EU

[true lagoon]

If you sign the contract, you'll get 200-400K RUB per month

[formal pilot]

Countryside is really great in france and also they got nukes for future protection

[true lagoon]

So $2500-5000

[high raven]

Glad to hear that

[wraith sorrel]

oh

[true lagoon]

Foreigners are paid the same amount of money as Russian citizens

I just checked

[high raven]

$5000 to die to a drone with a $10 thermal image camera from Aliexpress

[formal pilot]

Trust me I've thought about every aspect of my farm

[wraith sorrel]

how long does a person has to serve to get a citizenship?

[wraith sorrel]

understandable

[formal pilot]

If corruption wasn't a problem in Russia, I'd have said yes for
600 acres of fertile land

[true lagoon]

We'll have to wait for 2030

Hopefully

[true lagoon]

You have the right to apply for a citizenship if you signed the contract

[formal pilot]

Farms are affordable in russia and we can always steal Ukranian tractors

[feral river]

Don’t care a state with only 100000 active personnels

[true lagoon]

But you have to serve for at least 1 year in Ukraine anyway

[feral river]

And low advance equippments

[wraith sorrel]

that's what i wanted to hear

btw dandee why are tractors loved by russians

[true lagoon]

And yet in 2022 Ukrainians claimed that Russians stole toilets and fridges in Ukraine cuz they never had those back in Russia

[thorny steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852805796789354496/1397301041418080486/image0.gif

[true lagoon]

[thorny steeple]

Not only tractors

[true lagoon]

Any vehicle is loved

[formal pilot]

What if I join the Ukrainian army and snitch on them, give Russia the exact location of my team for money,

I'll be the last man standing with made up Stories to get money from the EU

[wraith sorrel]

do you guys have speed limits?

[true lagoon]

Yes