🧠｜serious-chat

[tepid solstice]

Hey Dana I want money fight give me Mayweather

Brátha ahh

2-3 years dagestan and forget

Khabab was like 90 kilo

[tepid solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/islam-makhachev-hawaii-islam-makhachev-hawaii-gif-3262198738320339432

[rigid wraith]

Anyone from Kolkata?

[thorny steeple]

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[thorny steeple]

[fierce plover]

sup yall, which country has better uni education russia or turkiye?

[serene isle]

Hello, I'm a college student, a fitness trainer, a boxer, and I want a girl so that we can become real friends, take care of each other, talk about everything, and learn English together.

[sweet forge]

i think turkey is better more good universities and more students from other countries russia is ok but turkey is growing fast

[fresh flower]

Turkey since they're not a cancer in Europe

[dapper laurel]

Russia has some excellent universities, the only flaw is that research facilities are less interconnected with the rest of Europe, unlike Turkey

@feral river Israel will occupy Gaza 🇮🇱

Another victory for the West

It seems like the countries hated by Allah continue to expand, unlike others lol

[wind bramble]

@bold forum i keepppppp havin a ban from the another english chat for no reason the shrifty girl got me ban for no reason is that a racist???

[serene isle]

Hello
Where are you from

[fresh flower]

Minecraft is still here?

https://tenor.com/view/sneaky-plotting-evil-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-gif-3501874

[wind bramble]

@bold forum hey gimme a reason that's not fair i didn't do anything?!!

[bold forum]

You're in the English Hub server, not the right place to discuss other servers

[wind bramble]

okay i see but just why i got mute while another person said sum bad to me?

ban*

[bold forum]

Again, I'm not gonna carry drama over here, this is the English Hub server.

[wind bramble]

carry drama!! kol khraa then

[thorny steeple]

Yes

He was get banned

But came back

[fresh flower]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/lewissaunderson38-lewissaunderson-cry-crying-cry-meme-gif-11499408157122608476

[thorny steeple]

Lol

Yeah I know it was sad

[bold forum]

I only speak English and French

[fresh flower]

He/she told you "Eat shit" in Arabic

I know because my gf says that to me daily

[wind bramble]

hahah u gotta k what does it mean, ALSO remember u have no admin feature here

[wind bramble]

exactly i meant that but when it is in arabic kol khara its more elegent

[quick quail]

？？？

[bold forum]

Ok?

[velvet ridge]

How to start learning English and never quit it

[wind bramble]

then kol khraaa

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[thorny steeple]

just keep learning and when you give up try it again until you get fluent

[velvet ridge]

I mean , when I give up in my life , I just quit every useful habit in my entire life

And start drinking

[thorny steeple]

I do the same and i start playing videogames until i burn out

[cobalt ingot]

Yo

[velvet ridge]

Yeah , also video games

[thorny steeple]

Do you know that's normal?

I mean, when people is going through something

usually they go to something bad

[velvet ridge]

I think it's normal when happens not often and secondly not too long

[thorny steeple]

like ''vices''

[velvet ridge]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

No , we need to overcome that shit before it destroy you

I mean , vices are too harmful

[velvet ridge]

Like we have prime time of our life , right and sometimes bad times , so wtf person just quit learning English in bad time . And it happens every time

[thorny steeple]

look at people who consumed that new drog called (i dont remember)

Yes

I quit learning when i get depression

bad feelings makes you to leave things , and it's a like an emotional fight you need to defeat

[velvet ridge]

@thorny steeple how often you get depressed

[thorny steeple]

once a week or more often

[velvet ridge]

Wow

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[velvet ridge]

And how long it takes you

[thorny steeple]

eight years maybe

[velvet ridge]

So you think about suicide?

[thorny steeple]

though it is not like 24/7 , it's more like you have a thought coming in your mind and you defeat it or it defeats you , if it defeats you , you will spend that day like a shit

[velvet ridge]

Oh

Could you say that you re currently in ur prime time of the life ?

[thorny steeple]

and when you give up strugglin with that thought , may be guiltiness or complains about the life you might have...

[thorny steeple]

whatsoever, not at all

[velvet ridge]

Well

[velvet ridge]

İt's hard action actually

Gotta be hard

[thorny steeple]

I keep fighting , i keep learning english despite i had left learning i started and i'm doing great, also i keep studying highschool and finishing

so

[velvet ridge]

Great job

How old are you

[thorny steeple]

As men we need to accomplish targets in our life

I'm 22

[velvet ridge]

For sure

[sonic lion]

As people

Not only men tho

[sweet forge]

especially men

[velvet ridge]

You re almost 5 years here @sonic lion did you already learn eng btw?

[sonic lion]

When I got here I already knew it

I just wanted to practice

[velvet ridge]

Oh

So you re native speaker

[sonic lion]

Being driven is a personality trait not a gender one

[sonic lion]

Nope I was just a lonely child/teenager who learned it by being consuming a lot of media

[sweet forge]

its not about being driven idk

nvm

[sonic lion]

Whatever

Outdated opinion bruh

[thorny steeple]

specifically men need to accomplish targets in their life because they naturally need to be dominators

it's in our blood

we need to overcome in our job, in our life, in our home

[sonic lion]

Pop evolutionary psychology crap that's debunked by every serious research but nevermind

[thorny steeple]

to rule is our second name

[sonic lion]

If that makes your life meaningful keep believing it or whatever

[thorny steeple]

are you male or female

[sonic lion]

Lmao self help ahh quote

[spice bobcat]

Yes chatting on discord makes us Alexander

[sonic lion]

LOL

[sonic lion]

I'm a woman

[thorny steeple]

There you are}

feminist also ?

[sonic lion]

???

Wanna put me on a box?

[thorny steeple]

women always wanted to be rebel to men

[sonic lion]

What.

[velvet ridge]

What's the meme in Alexander?

[sonic lion]

Wanting rights makes you a rebel only in a society that benefits from women's oppression, just proved the feminist point

[spice bobcat]

Nothing, it was just an observation

[thorny steeple]

you don't understand anything

[sonic lion]

Okie dokie I'm just chilling here

[thorny steeple]

A girl doesn't want a nice boy , a efeminated man , she needs a dominator , she needs a leader , she needs a man

[velvet ridge]

[feral river]

that's not occupation, that's liberation

[sonic lion]

Seems like you're the one wanting a man buddy

[feral river]

and Israeli Gaza was part of the territory of the State of Israel, the sovereignty of the territory has current no nation which is already claiming

[thorny steeple]

maybe a girl would like a nice and stupid manipulable boy to rule over that guy but that's not the mayority

[feral river]

it's just not their 'core' territory which is a province or territory but it could be

[sonic lion]

Seems like you're molding your life to fit in to some girl's dream boyfriend

Nothing against that but seems shallow

[thorny steeple]

Not at all , you don't understand men's need

[sonic lion]

Ok

I know what you're talking about

Gender roles is nothing new

I just don't agree with it

And I think it's more liberating to see a human being outside of norms

[thorny steeple]

do you agree with an homosexual woman married to another woman growing a child?

[sonic lion]

As if I would care what people do with their lives

In their freedom

I couldn't care less who a person chooses to marry or procreate

[thorny steeple]

do you agree or not

[sonic lion]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

there you are

[sonic lion]

Got me bruh

[thorny steeple]

have a nice night

[sonic lion]

Lmfao

Got meee 🤭 the blue hair liberalll

[sonic lion]

And btw what's a feminine men?

[thorny steeple]

man*

[sonic lion]

Whatever

Answer the question

[thorny steeple]

efemniate

[sonic lion]

I guess, yeah

You mean men wearing feminine clothes or a man who is more sensitive?

[thorny steeple]

is someone who apropiates femenine characters as well as posture, doblegated, submissive to a girl, and of course the sexual part where he may like to be f

[sonic lion]

Got it

As soon there's a girl in the room my male friends all become submissive lol

Being submissive is unattractive for both genders btw

In my opinion

[thorny steeple]

it depends on the context , you can be hospitalary with a new visit }

and serving stuff

[sonic lion]

Yeah but that's being polite

[thorny steeple]

be girl or not

[sonic lion]

Basic human decency

I just don't agree that is unattractive specifically for men

Women who are submissive are unattractive too

[thorny steeple]

i gotta go , have a nice day aftern.. or night bye , it was a amusing chatting

[sonic lion]

Okay bye

[thorny steeple]

of course they are

not in the way you are thinking of but well..

bye see you tomorrow or some day xd

[velvet ridge]

No way

This interesting conversation is ended

[sonic lion]

Let's continue

Do you agree with him?

[velvet ridge]

No

[sonic lion]

Then we need another misogynist to continue the convo

[winter echo]

Submissive women are manipulative

[velvet ridge]

I am kinda libertarian

[sonic lion]

I think they're the ones being manipulated

Or they just have a kink in being submissive

[sonic lion]

So you support capitalism with minimal state interference?

[fresh flower]

What yall talking about

[sonic lion]

We were discussing gender roles

[manic juniper]

[fresh flower]

They're good when they're not forced or misogynistic

[sweet forge]

i think these things are about culture

[sonic lion]

Gender roles are cultural

[fresh flower]

True, in some cultures women are seen as less than, and it's normalised

[sonic lion]

Yeah I guess

[sweet forge]

i mean for both gender

[sonic lion]

I heard that in Sweden women are seeing very differently, is that true?

I saw in a Ted Talk so yk suspicious info

[velvet ridge]

Yep

[fresh flower]

We treat them as humans here

[sonic lion]

Lmao

Very rare

[fresh flower]

No but fr idk what you mean 💀

[sonic lion]

I saw a supermodel saying that she lived in Sweden and there women chose the men and not the opposite

[sweet forge]

so like minarchism

[sonic lion]

She said she felt more free

[fresh flower]

If you're talking gender roles then it isn't forced, for example my lil sis is 7 and in school she isn't forced to behave a certain way or play a certain way

[sonic lion]

That's very nice

[fresh flower]

I'd say it's pretty even, most women here have access to everything men have so it creates an equality where they can pick and choose who they want instead of settling for someone more successful or educated than them

[sonic lion]

That's very nice about nordic countries but there's also a paradox that I don't know how to explain

Like even tho nordic countries have more equality in gender roles it still presents higher domesic violence then expected

[manic juniper]

That's cultural too

And because gender equality is overblown here

[sonic lion]

Ummm

[manic juniper]

It's not as big as they try to portray it

[sonic lion]

For sure

[fresh flower]

I thought you meant the gender equality paradox but yeah, we still have domestic violence here, idk if it's more common than in other countries though

[feral river]

I never heard of gender equality sounds pretty bullshit but I ever heard of the gender struggle

[manic juniper]

In Iceland they had massive protests over this and it's the only country that did actual progresses over this matter

[feral river]

like the class struggle, survival struggle

are gender struggle a class struggle ?

sounds pretty like bunch of leftists use gender as a stage to create such struggle out of thin air

[fresh flower]

Still with the incoherent ramblings

[feral river]

and they call it 'gender equality'

and it doesn't have anything to do with the equality

[sonic lion]

I don't even bother anymore

[feral river]

I think when they shut the fuck up and we don't have that problem

[sonic lion]

Me when I try to be edgy

[fresh flower]

Never seen this guy make sense 😭

You can't even argue with him, you don't know what point he tries to make

[feral river]

cuz my point is straightforward as fuck you can't even deny the shit I'm pointing

lmfao it's just that easy

[fresh flower]

Wo shi ba ba, ni shi bao bao

[sonic lion]

He's probably just young saying nonsense to feel bold yk

[fresh flower]

Bro.... He's pushing 30 💀

[sonic lion]

No waaay

I thought it was a young girl lmfao I didn't even know it was a dude

With that anime ahh profile pic

[fresh flower]

Minecraft is a Chinese man whose morals doesn't extend beyond what earns him $200

I know him

[feral river]

depends on which level of moral you are mentioning, some aren't even worth 5 USD

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765

[feral river]

only it become matters when we recruit personnels, enforce it under the guns

without it, it's nothing as always

[sonic lion]

Bro is online 24/7 at age 30

[sweet forge]

what do you think about sydney sweeneys ad

[fresh flower]

What ad

Is sydney sweeney the girl from Wednesday

[sonic lion]

I thought it was cringe af

[sonic lion]

No

[sweet forge]

me too

[sonic lion]

She's that blonde chick with huge boobs from euphoria

[fresh flower]

I just searched that name in gifs, yall some gooners

[manic juniper]

Those jeans look oversized

Is that why they are great

[fresh flower]

Why is she wearing two jeans

[sonic lion]

Jeans of course are a reference to "genes"

[sweet forge]

idk lol

[sonic lion]

They're basically doing eugenic propaganda for attention

[sweet forge]

yea sadly

[fresh flower]

Since when did womens jeans get pockets

World has gone to SHIT

[feral river]

it's super rare to see a girl wearing jeans on the ad

[sonic lion]

Ugly ahh jeans

She once promoted a soup done with her bath water

[feral river]

they usually wear skirts exposing skin that attract eyeballs

[sonic lion]

And the soup had a hole in it

She uses her image to men's entertainment basically

[fresh flower]

The normalisation of onlyfans behaviour 💔

We need to bring back shame

[turbid dome]

Its because of her genetics, blonde hair and blue eyes, #totally not a Nazi eugenics ad

[sonic lion]

Lmao

Her voice annoys me so much I couldn't even watch the ad

[sonic lion]

Worse thing is that it works 😭

[turbid dome]

Yup, we’re in full Nazi society rn 😭

[sonic lion]

Now everyone knows the brand

[velvet ridge]

Where is mysogynist

[fresh flower]

What's up

[feral river]

I would believe her shit if this was the case

[fresh flower]

Bro please get medicated 😭😭😭

[feral river]

oh my gosh quite success this one

[turbid dome]

Why do her arms look emaciated there smh

[fresh flower]

Why didn't you edit in a desert eagle

[feral river]

you are genius

[sonic lion]

I remembered another celebrity gossip

[fresh flower]

Cheers bro, give me a headsup the next time you cook up a virus in Wuhan

🇸🇪🤜🏻🤛🇨🇳

[sonic lion]

Ana de Armas did Nicole Kidmam dirty

Did you guys see that

[feral river]

nah we gonna delay 3 months then we will report it to WHO

[sonic lion]

Lmao

[sonic lion]

I'm so unemployed

[feral river]

before that day if anyone questions, just be like there's nothing have existed

[fresh flower]

I wish I knew all these names but I'm culturally illiterate

[sonic lion]

You don't know Nicole kidman?

https://tenor.com/view/nicole-kidman-gif-10222148108798114476

I guess you're not into cinema then

[velvet ridge]

Sjsjsjsj

[fresh flower]

I watched the harry potter series and the lord of the ring movies last year 💀

I still haven't touched star wars and god knows what else

[sonic lion]

Oh god

Well, that's not shameful at all

But just out of curiosity, you don't watch movies?

[feral river]

why would I spend some shit at cinema if I can see it in my home with my 4K screen and full adoby audio with fxsound

[sonic lion]

Asking this because I'm genz and basically grow up watching those

[sonic lion]

I don't mean cinema as a place, I mean cinema as the seventh art

[feral river]

I only go to cinema with a girl that I'm going to sex with her

and pretend that was a date

[fresh flower]

I didn't really watch movies or tv shows, I just recently started to catch up

[sonic lion]

Sure....... we believe that....

[fresh flower]

PLEASE BRO PLEASE PLEASE DONT PROCREATE

[sonic lion]

Honestly that's very cool

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-vince-mcmahon-meme-vince-no-no-no-way-gif-7797789826061351147

[sonic lion]

I imagine you as a child playing chess and reading books

[feral river]

I don't know if I have kids because my developed 'seed' had already spread enough among few people

[fresh flower]

I was sniffing glue and playing hockey💀

[sonic lion]

Lmfao

[feral river]

you could imagine a lot of kids holding AK-47 doing salute to their supreme leader, me

[sonic lion]

Playing hockey what a scandinavian thing to do 🙄

[feral river]

maybe, who knows

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-throw-up-puke-vomit-gagging-gif-16080834

[sonic lion]

Are you pol pot

How can someone make political propaganda their entire personality

And he wants us to believe he's getting laid

[feral river]

it's all about obsession of power ofc I have wanted full totalitarian dictatorship but that didn't happen

[high raven]

Terrible thought

[feral river]

and I'm still happy to live in an authoritarian state

[sonic lion]

Have you read Foucault

[feral river]

french revolutionist ?

I don't know that much

[sonic lion]

He was a post modern theorist

[feral river]

if you would like to talk about marxism-leninism I'm quite into this field

[sonic lion]

His views on power are pretty cool

[sonic lion]

I like it too

[feral river]

but I'm anti-communist

[sonic lion]

So what are you now?

I'm neither a communist

I just like theory

[sweet forge]

me too

[feral river]

my idea was very based on the marxism theory of development, but I would prefer lassiez-faire development model and adopt totalitarian dictatorship to the society

[sweet forge]

theory nice but..

[feral river]

it's like... humm all together yeah it was a mixed idea

but generally it's pro-right

[feral river]

yeah I think currently it's most reality based explaination of how society and economy evolves

[fresh flower]

Proudest serf

[feral river]

one thing we have learned is people shouldn't be applicable to demand stuff at all, they don't know what's the best situation and interest for the whole nation neither they will boost efficiency to help the nation develop faster, it's all based on development

what social structure develops faster and exhaustive is the advanced one - Karl Marx

in modern day social economy it was all based on the only authority entity of what we call the country, also the nation I would say, and in that case it's not very hard to establish a totalitarian dictatorship like what Stalin have done under the idea of socialism in one country

there was never lack of ideas to unify the people who are into this field to make them fight against another group with different political view

and you don't need that if it's under absolute authority

[eager tendon]

Hi

[feral river]

therefore the powerful authority that you could do anything you want without question and opposition, when it was full focused on the development of the nation, and it was the most advanced structure ever to be exist

[eager tendon]

Correct

[feral river]

also it's very necessary to place only one intelligent leader to avoid internal turmoils, regulate power struggle, and hold everyone only on himself that ensures the system efficient

the only way to develop ourselves was to follow the nature and rule of development which should not be questioned and infringed by political ideas - Mao Zedong

[velvet ridge]

Communism 🤒

[turbid dome]

Yes let’s follow mao’s development plans of killing the sparrows

What could go wrong

[feral river]

he's super intelligent but maybe some mistakes were carried out

anyways that's still nothing to his struggle for the whole nation

[turbid dome]

He’s an excellent writer but when you see how it was carried into practice it’s clearly propaganda

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_campaign

[turbid dome]

Yeah that’s one of the worst decisions in terms of human life in the second half of the 20th century

[feral river]

well not really but that doesn't come out with expected result

[turbid dome]

Wdym not really? In terms of a single event it may very well be first

Like when you kill the things which eat the pests of course you get more pests

That’s expected

[feral river]

well yes but that wasn't under the expectation so that's skill issue

at that time there wasn't some ecological scientists in our country

The eradication of the four pests together was first mentioned in Mao Zedong's 17-Point Agriculture Policy, in 1955,[note 2][11]: 136  as a way to reduce infectious diseases and grain loss caused by pests.[11]: 137  In January 1956, the 17-point policy was expanded into the draft of National Programme for Agricultural Development (1956–1967), which mentioned that "starting from 1956, we should work to eradicate rats, sparrows, flies, and mosquitoes in all areas possible across the country within five, seven or twelve years".[11]: 137 The draft was adopted by the Central Committee in 1957, with the timeline revised to twelve years.[11]: 140

and some policy do have bad outcome that wasn't surprising

that happens everywhere in reality

[turbid dome]

There weren’t many but there were some, whether it’s expected or not doesn’t change the result. They tried to play god and it blew up in their faces.

“Millions of sparrows were killed.[25] By April 1960, Chinese communist leaders changed their opinion in part due to the influence of ornithologist Tso-hsin Cheng[26] who pointed out that sparrows ate a large number of insects, as well as grains” like they apparently never heard this before or something?

The better question is why these leaders with obviously limited knowledge were so certain of their policy of playing god

Seems like a clear flaw in the leadership structure if they’re able to do so much without every consulting an expert

[feral river]

well everyone do have limited knowledge but instead they have full execution power without opposition which is a huge advantage in terms of efficiency

[turbid dome]

Yeah that goes in both directions, they were efficient at completely destroying millions of lives all while working against their goals of increased agricultural output. They had the ego to either not realize their limited knowledge, or the ego to think they knew enough about agriculture to make decisions without consulting relevant experts (which did exist). Either way that shows a systemic issue in the leadership structure

[feral river]

they actually do care about the people and what's the best for the nation

[turbid dome]

I sort of doubt that, but I never claimed they didn’t

[feral river]

btw you are accusing them because there was an issue that was going on for almost a decade which you mentioned a famine

that famine was very complex and it's very hard to say they caused this famine by killing sparrows

but killing sparrows do worsen the situation

okay im gonna show you do you know what impact the most to the famine ?

that actually has nothing to do with Mao zedong he wasn't in charge at that time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Yellow_River_flood

[turbid dome]

There was food shortages and there had been famines in China for centuries but it’s widely acknowledged at this point that killing the sparrows and forced collectivization caused it. It’s one of if not the worst famines ever.

[feral river]

check this out

that actually has nothing to do with Mao zedong he wasn't in charge at that time

you are talking a famine that was ongoing for almost a decade

[turbid dome]

Where are you getting this history lmao, that didn’t cause the 59-61 famine lmao

[feral river]

and that was caused, I mean directly by the former leadership

[feral river]

it affected greatly even we recovered that shit at 2006

why the heck you think that has nothing to do with the famine itself ?

[turbid dome]

It was 20 years later

At that point it’s on agricultural policies

[feral river]

yeah 20 years later they destroyed every source of obtaining food and blame a famine that was caused because of IT

what the fuck is that logic, a famine is caused by lacking of food sources

what will cause lack of food sources

you are talking like he want to starve people

[turbid dome]

There wasn’t nearly the same amount of death compared to that famine. And there was plenty of time to plan and fix this, what are we even talking about.

[feral river]

that was totally bullshit dude

[turbid dome]

I never said that I just think he’s an incompetent moron.

[feral river]

well skill issue as I said

I ain't denying it doesn't have bad outcome it did

[turbid dome]

Skill issue = systemic problem with Chinese governance

[feral river]

well nah it's not a systemic problem, neither it has very great impact to the result

and totalitarian dictatorship do rely on leader's intelligence yeah hard to deny that point

but it still was the most efficient ever to be existed

[turbid dome]

Yeah that’s the whole point, the totalitarian model can easily suffer massive disaster due to the failures of a single key figure

Other models may safeguard against this

[feral river]

that does not say hard to achieve in democratic states

[rocky coyote]

"meritocratically elected leader" in 2025 🥀

[shy summit]

Think of it this way, you got a 1/2 chance of getting a ‘bad’ leader by default.

[feral river]

lol if that's by inheritance

[shy summit]

That’s a prior confidence value.

[thorny steeple]

Nale

[feral river]

but we have modern system to elect the Supreme Leader in the party by in-party selection and power struggle to elect intelligent leader

[shy summit]

Before taking into account any other variables you start at a horrendously bad likelihood of getting a ‘good’ leader

[feral river]

hummmm till now it's 50/50 in general

[shy summit]

There’s two options

Good leader or bad leader

Prior confidence value

[feral river]

even some good leader became bad when they are old

well that case happened a lot of times

but they still made significant achievement if you compare with some prime ministers or presidents

and most of them do have agenda and goal to shape the whole nation and some benefit the people

[shy summit]

Okay. Basic math time

[feral river]

so even it's a bad leadership, they do something, and they do something better off the situation

[shy summit]

With a singular ruler authority. The chance of getting an ‘all bad’ leadership is 50% at default.

With two leaders it’s 25%

with four it’s 12.5%

and so on and suchforth

It’s harder to get 1000 bad people than it is to get one bad person if you’re picking at random

[velvet ridge]

25%

[shy summit]

My math might be off but the point remains

[velvet fog]

hi

[feral river]

that's why you are electing a leader by process even in totalitarian states that could be the case but not by people's votes

and you can't got a qualified leader by inheritance

in-party selection based on past achievement was quite reliable actually

even everything is on only one person he also need a team to make the administration more efficient and centralized

[shy summit]

Mathematically you want a plural executive

[feral river]

there's no such case which a single person would be able to care all of the issues

[shy summit]

Or at least a diminished executive

[feral river]

well no ? if the guy was intelligent enough to execute everything on his own, why not

we just ensure how he could be intelligent by this way

but he still needs a team

a team that only cares about what he focus on, absolute loyal and dedication

[rocky coyote]

how do you ensure it

[feral river]

elect them by past achievement and experience was quite reliable

how a Supreme Leader could be qualified as a Supreme Leader if he don't know anything about running a country

democracy has democratic way to elect a President

authoritarian has authoritarian way to elect a Supreme Leader

same thing different logic

[rocky coyote]

how does an authoritarian governnent elect their leader

[fresh flower]

Democratically, they hold elections

Except it's one choice

[rocky coyote]

what

just finished reading the discussion

you guys are too engraved in your own sentiments to acknowledge certain merits and demerits without over-inflating them

[spice bobcat]

Amen

[fresh flower]

Bro made the mistake of reading Mein Krafts messages 💔💔💔

[feral river]

you still got a lot ways to elect a leader
most typical one was through election among the officials, to be simple may official and chairman in certain fields or other positions like mayor, provincial governer come up to one stage then elect the leader by vote

that basically ensures the elected leader has the most link with other officials which he could form his own ruling team and do have enough intelligence to run the country by knowledges

[feral river]

it's also election but was not elected by people

[feral river]

again I'm not a fascist

pro-authoritarian doesn't equal to be fascist

[spice bobcat]

How's that supposed to work

[fresh flower]

Daily messages about suppression of dissidents
"again I'm not a fascist"

[feral river]

it's not only fascism suppress dissidents

[fresh flower]

0 coherence 0 consistency

[feral river]

100% truth

[fresh flower]

There's something in Chinese water, no other explanation

[feral river]

we export water to EU

no other explaination

[rocky coyote]

i genuinely thought he was a maoist at first

[fresh flower]

You don't moron

[feral river]

I do loser

[fresh flower]

He has no consistency, he'll argue for something then go against it within 10 messages

[fresh flower]

EU is very famous for its shortage of water, there's so little water here that we import it from China, not Russia or anything closer, China

Minecraft which diagnoses do you have

No💀

I promise you that it isn't, his brain is just mush and he genuinely believes that his incoherent thoughts make sense

You're new here

He's to this channel what dwarves used to be in royal palaces in medieval times

[feral river]

you don't have to make sense with a guy that doesn't make sense

[fresh flower]

First time I thought it was AI💀

[rocky coyote]

eh not really no

[fresh flower]

Isis times were crazy online

[feral river]

what makes you think he make sense by accusing other's doesn't make any sense

btw you are not making any sense right now

[rocky coyote]

he has the consistency of an outspoken chinese nationalist who thinks China has mastered the art of solving contradictions when they simply overcompensated with having mundane managerial capitalism

[fresh flower]

He's not a Chinese nationalist 💀 He supports whomever is winning even if it means China is losing

"btw you are not making any sense right now"

[rocky coyote]

he vouched for Xi Jinping when it comes to making capitalism efficient, he's made a case about how great Deng was in revolutionizing China's transition to the market economy. the only time he sullied his position was whenever he regretted China's low modern military intervention compared to the US

[feral river]

there wasn't very much about how you gonna solve contradictions by Chinese way, it was just depends how you view it and what you gonna do with it

[rocky coyote]

a fervent chinese supporter who laments that China is losing in the grander field of the arm's race because it kept sticking to trade pragmatism when rival nations are looking to agitate thru military means is as common as a stray cat.

that's just your average warhawk in a Bilibili forum

[novel violet]

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[feral river]

I don't know why people obsessed about China with me actually I even do praise US and Israel more

[feral river]

that exists everywhere

liberals in the west also as common as a stray cat

that's just your average lefthawk in the west

[sonic lion]

That says everything we need to know about your takes lmao

[rocky coyote]

who brought up liberals

[rocky coyote]

you just added to my point with this

[feral river]

Yep?

🇮🇱

[rocky coyote]

now before anyone says "why is the china guy a Zionist" China currently ranks 2nd among Israel's most prolific trading partner and is Israel's foremost EV supplier

[feral river]

well nah I support Israel because they fight against terrorism that stays irrelevant to China

I'm not a Chinese nationalist

[rocky coyote]

against terrorism that what

[sonic lion]

Wym terrorism

[feral river]

they fight against terrorism around the region and islamic influences

[rocky coyote]

i mean, yes beyond breaking the west's leg and extending its economic interest in Palestine's reconstruction China has no moral motive in boarding negotiations between Freedom Fighters and willing Israel delegates let alone supporting Hamas

oh so you're just an islamophobe got it

[feral river]

there's no Palestine

Palestine was a name of a region

[rocky coyote]

i'll let u be with your convictions gang

[feral river]

there's only one state around that region which is the State of Israel

[rocky coyote]

sure sure

[feral river]

that was the total truth, not my claim btw

[rocky coyote]

sir yessir

[rocky coyote]

remember most debatebro regulars in this chat are too driven

[sonic lion]

what a pretentious dude lmao

[rocky coyote]

girl you don't wanna know

[sonic lion]

He just enjoys the sound of his own voice
He spent months after months and day after day reforcing his ideas to whoever pays a little attention

I bet he j*rks off of shocking people

[feral river]

I feel nice about how you would anticipate what I'm thinking by your way even it's negative towards me

I don't mind that, a lot of people do have negative evaluations towards me

nothing really surprise me about

I do enjoy my own voice ? good question I would say 50/50

[sonic lion]

You must enjoy because the only thing you talk about is your interest in totalitarianism

[feral river]

who the fuck else you could enjoy if you don't enjoy your own

[sonic lion]

You even manipulate topics to fit into your interest

[sonic lion]

Idk you could just... be interested in the world around you?

[feral river]

not only I used to talk about a lot of stuff

last time I was talking about how I'm appreciating the idea of the discrimination based on gender, race should not be carried

[feral river]

I was interested in the world around me

you can't find another person in this chat who knows more about what's happening in the world than me

[trim viper]

bet

[feral river]

that's the fucking reality

and I can say that

[sonic lion]

We definitely can't find a person more delusional than you

[trim viper]

what do you mean discrimination based on gender? in what ways?

[feral river]

a guy who don't even have an idea would say I'm delusional

make sense

[feral river]

I mean people shouldn't be discriminated by race, gender etc.

[trim viper]

i see

[sonic lion]

That's just common sense

[feral river]

some people do have their common sense based on leftism propaganda

[sonic lion]

Idk my ideas are definitely not original, you have a point

[feral river]

not very surprising

[sonic lion]

I'm not on manifesto competition tho

[feral river]

but in a very pragmatic way, this does have benefit under the perspective of the development of the whole nation

[sonic lion]

Well

I meant more in a way that everything I thought has been thought before me

Like none of my ideas are my own really

They're constructed socially

[thorny steeple]

are you still there

[feral river]

if you hold the gun to say that was your idea, then it's yours

[thorny steeple]

lol

[trim viper]

is race a social construct?

[feral river]

you have an idea or not based on your power projection

you don't have power projection ofc your idea doesn't matter

it matters when it was enforced under the guns

[sonic lion]

Ok that scalated pretty quickly

Why so beligerant man

[sonic lion]

Yes and no

[feral river]

society was a survival struggle

[sonic lion]

Ideas around race are

[feral river]

lmao

[sonic lion]

Was?

[feral river]

yeah it is

[sonic lion]

I just got here kinda

[thorny steeple]

let's get married

you love me

[feral river]

only losers would use some leftism logics to beg people to have common sense to be sympathy about their situation which was caused by their failure and useless

[spring sage]

[feral river]

survival for the fittest

[trim viper]

survival of the fittest isn't necessarily true throughout history and nature

there's a book called survival of the sickest. depending on the environment, certain extremes/spectrums (ex. being more average or worse) can actually be more beneficial to survival and reproduction

[thorny steeple]

i don't knwo , but what i do know is that i'm eating a delicious beef stew with vegetables

it's not a food for poor people btw

[sonic lion]

You say this because you mustn't have any idea what poverty is like

[thorny steeple]

who says the opossite will must die

[feral river]

I know what is natural selection and how it works

[sonic lion]

Bruh

You're acting as if we're into the wild

[thorny steeple]

your name is the same as my brother's exgirlfriend

a betrayer

[trim viper]

btw, you're forgetting sexual selection. there are actually many selections and different effects, not necessarily the best will survive

[thorny steeple]

I don't belive you anything with that name

[sonic lion]

How rational you are

Be less emotional bud

[thorny steeple]

my emotional levels are well

[rocky coyote]

oh yeah i forgot this chat is unapologetically right wing

[sonic lion]

Yeah it's such a simplistic interpretation, he is just instrumentalizing it to support his ideology

[sonic lion]

That's why I always left if with a headache

[rocky coyote]

haha get it always left

[thorny steeple]

stop taking personally everything bud

[trim viper]

the truth lies somewhere in between

depends on the circumstances

[rocky coyote]

i don't entertain debates for gratuitous sakes unless i'm hella bored so i wouldn't know

[sonic lion]

Politics isn't fantasy bro it has real effect in the world

[rocky coyote]

pansy

[sonic lion]

I would just prefer to have an honest conversation but people are hard sometimes

[sonic lion]

Centrist spot

[thorny steeple]

I'm being honest

[trim viper]

personally, i'd lean towards the right in the modern landscape though

[sonic lion]

You're playing a role

That's not honesty

[thorny steeple]

I'm being honest trust me

:v

[rocky coyote]

there we go

honesty is good

[thorny steeple]

anyways

[sonic lion]

You're too attached to your persona of the gym bro who is dominant and so on

[thorny steeple]

who wants to talk about world war two

[trim viper]

sure, what you want to talk about?

[thorny steeple]

the gass chambers and concetration fields

Why the germans did that against the jews

what happened in that moment

i know world war two is so extensive to talk about , so I just wanna know what was happening

if you know something about the SS

etc

[trim viper]

antisemitism has been around for centuries

[thorny steeple]

how many extermination fields there were

[trim viper]

they were an easy scapegoat for him to use

[sonic lion]

Yeah but he had no economical reason to do it it was pretty much an obsession

[thorny steeple]

okay go ahead girls i won't write so i don't interrput you while you are telling me the stuff

[trim viper]

it is a great way to motivate the people of the time

antisemitism was widespread back then, economy was poor before he gained power, by correlating the economic improvement of a war economy and with the jewish people, it made it easier for propaganda to support him

furthermore, any mistakes he made, he could easily blame the jewish people

[sonic lion]

But no one really knew what he was doing in the concentration camps

The brutality of it was an obsession

To exterminate and so on

[trim viper]

well for some part, yes. but also, their research conducted was actually highly detailed and advanced. to the point some modern day medical textbooks still use diagrams from their camps

it is hilarious, the soviets also heavily persecuted the jewish people, yet no one mentions that

[sonic lion]

Even the officers had to work drunk

[sonic lion]

I had no idea too

[trim viper]

did you know the soviets 🍇 almost 2 million german women after ww2?

[sonic lion]

The soviets get away with a lot of things

[thorny steeple]

I herd somewhere that extermine camps were a myth , an old woman advocating about that happen.

[sonic lion]

Oh my god, that's so awful

[thorny steeple]

an old ''german'' woman

[trim viper]

i know right, im so disappointed in how schools teach history

in america, our society barely acknowledges the war crimes and atrocities of the soviet union

i would argue the soviet union was as bad as germany during ww2

[sonic lion]

This is literally the most documented event on history with millions of victims telling their experience but sure, one woman is debunking it

Don't believe sensationalist crap

[thorny steeple]

As you can see i'm too skeptical

and neutral

[sonic lion]

My communists friends treat the USSR as a paradise sometimes, like they did nothing wrong and everything is propaganda

It makes me so pissed

[trim viper]

💔

[sonic lion]

I'm learning a lot about their atrocities now

[trim viper]

have your communist friends known any people that actually experienced communism?

[sonic lion]

Probably not since we're not slavic

[thorny steeple]

so , I'm more convinced from the USA telling than what that old german woman was spreading in her final years of life.

[sonic lion]

She was nuts probably

[plush dawn]

Hm hm hm

What’s the topic

[trim viper]

its sad, but some people don't listen to enough sides of story

[thorny steeple]

what do you mean by that

[sonic lion]

I'm an advocate for that but some people are genuinely acing in bad faith

Acting

[thorny steeple]

I know the Sionists are doing a bad paper doing what they do in palestine

[sonic lion]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

Supposedly the owners of Porn industry are J...

Hollywood

[trim viper]

oh my god, can you stop with the antisemitism

[thorny steeple]

almost all the politicians are J

[sonic lion]

Dude

[trim viper]

its genuinely so edgy and gives off 14 year old "save europe" reels type of energy

[sonic lion]

You're falling into conspiracy again

[sonic lion]

Lol

[thorny steeple]

I'm not being antisemtisim I'm talking about Sionism

[trim viper]

wait, what country are you from? im american

[sonic lion]

I'm brazilian

[thorny steeple]

it's the opposite of being Jewish bloodly

Uruguayan here

[trim viper]

ah brazil, unfortunately, i only know about your culture from rio (the movie)😭

[thorny steeple]

Yeah Latam sucks

[sonic lion]

LMAO
Unfortunately I don't live in Rio de Janeiro

[feral river]

it is not a paradise but they did a good job under Lenin and Stalin's leadership

[sonic lion]

In my region people are pretty conservative and white

[thorny steeple]

Stalin was j

[sonic lion]

Brazil is very diverse

[trim viper]

they committed a whole genocide under stalin

[sonic lion]

Lenin I agree, he did great stuff
But Stalin?

[thorny steeple]

Stalin was J

[sonic lion]

Oh god

[thorny steeple]

did you guys know that

[trim viper]

stalin persecuted the jews too buddy

[thorny steeple]

Of course

[feral river]

Stalin rapidly transformed a backward state to a global superpower by implement centralized planned economy and winning against Nazi Germany, restoring Russian dominance over the East Europe

actually Stalin did more what Lenin has contributed to the Soviet Union

[trim viper]

without lenin, there would be no stalin.

[sonic lion]

Did more in terms of what?

[feral river]

but he's also a betrayal to the communist agenda but more focused on his own idea of socialism in one country

but still a great controversial legendary leader

and yeah he caused the Ukraine great famine that was one of his biggest mistake

[sonic lion]

And Lenin was the one leading the revolution

[trim viper]

you can praise its accomplishments, but to call it a "good job" under a dictatorship is fairly misleading

[sonic lion]

You can't possible not admire the man

[feral river]

it is a good job and great achievement under dictatorship

[thorny steeple]

At last it depends on what book you have read from , the winners tells their own storie

[feral river]

well nobody's gonna deny that ?

[trim viper]

stalin caused the 🍇 of almost 2 million german women, ranging from the children to the elderly.

they killed all the husbands and sons, looted the homes, and violated the mothers and daughters

[feral river]

does that contradict to the achievements of the Soviet Union ?

[sonic lion]

gRape being a way of dominance in nations just proves that women are facing an even greater war

[feral river]

is Stalin, a german ?

[sonic lion]

Gosh that makes me so sick

[feral river]

I don't think so

[sonic lion]

Bro

[trim viper]

i never said they didn't have achievements. i stated that 🍇 makes stalin's method clearly not good.

[feral river]

based on your idea okay but that doesn't contradicting to what I'm saying

[trim viper]

he is clearly morally bankrupt. this prevents him from doing a "good job" when he could've done a less rapid but more morally acceptable approach

[feral river]

Stalin is not a german

[sonic lion]

How can you be this cold man

[thorny steeple]

doesn't contradict*

[trim viper]

he's not cold, he's just edgy. he'd change up tunes if it was his own mother/sister

[thorny steeple]

is not contradicting*

[spice bobcat]

Stalin's dead.

[feral river]

neither he represent the interest of the german nation

[sonic lion]

Yeah for sure

[hoary glen]

Looks like it's time for another Soviet joke, haha

[feral river]

if you would say he caused Ukraine famine which is in his territory and hurt his own people it's a failure and mistake I would say yes

completely agreed

[hoary glen]

I remember a lot of Soviet jokes.

[feral river]

but what he have done to German soldiers or civilians obviously has nothing to do with his own nation's achievements

[trim viper]

dude, it was a genocide. he purposely killed those people in ukraine.

[feral river]

neither it contradicting to how he's gonna achieve it

[sonic lion]

There's a communist narrative that it was a n@zi propaganda

[feral river]

purposely killed was a little bit over it's actually caused by a mistaken policy that collected more grains off the people than what they have ancitipated

and that caused famine

[trim viper]

by the way, if we're talking about territories, stalin purposely divided many ethnicities and states such as kazakhstan and uzbekistan

he literally caused border disputes that are still fought to this day

[feral river]

that's in one country called the Soviet Union, he's for the Soviet Union

Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan was part of the Soviet territory at that day

not his issue dude

that's what have been decided after the establishment of the Soviet Union

[trim viper]

stalin himself literally decided to separate them

or united them for his own benefit

[livid charm]

👀

[feral river]

well okay so nothing really bad happened under his rule ?

why does that matter

[trim viper]

mass deportations into foreign countries, which many people froze or starved to death

aren't those his people?

[hoary glen]

The Soviet Union hasn't done anything bad for more than 30 years. Why do you still hate it so much?

[thorny steeple]

why i'm not seeing any phrasal verb sence so much time ? e.e something is happening

[feral river]

I mean what mass deportation exactly happened ?

can you provide some sources or examples

[trim viper]

latvians, chechens, poles

way more ethnicities than i can list

he was literally ethnically cleansing them

[feral river]

using leftism logic in 21 century to evaluate Stalin was totally off the table

and that doesn't cause any issues to the Soviet Union

obviously irrelevant

[trim viper]

eventually, the mass deportations led them to break off from the soviet union 💀

also stalin promoted alcohol to the people

[feral river]

hummm hard to say if that's because of Stalin actually more because of his sucessor

[trim viper]

russia still has a deadly alcohol addiction to this day

[feral river]

that's fine actually

[hoary glen]

Don't worry about it, this is a unique Chinese way of teaching Soviet people to love the Soviet Union, haha

[feral river]

their own problem to live in such cold place that they need drink alcohol to generate heat against it

that's just natural condition limitations

[trim viper]

the alcohol literally killed their people off

from 1990-2001, alcohol consumption caused 3 million deaths in russia 💀

btw, lenin hated alcohol,

called it the "weapon of bourgeoisie"

speaking of russia killing their people off

[feral river]

but they have to consume it to maintain the national economy

still beneficial to the state

[rocky coyote]

nobody talking about stalin's USSR here knows what a NEP is

[spice bobcat]

He speaking in present tense bro

We got bigger fish to fry

[trim viper]

jst slide it in gng 💔

[spice bobcat]

I'll be gentle

[rocky coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[hoary glen]

lol

Soviet jokes: an intangible cultural heritage of the world

[turbid dome]

Classic Lenin saying “time to do state capitalism cause the revolution can only happen in Germany”

[feral river]

im tired of people caring some stupid shit

[proud ridge]

في حدا عربي

[livid charm]

👀

[rocky coyote]

this is a bit dismissive. Lenin bet all his chips on the Spartacist Revolution when his economic plan was already in the works, except it was intended to develop the material transition to communism's infancy which he hoped would've been pioneered by the event. when it failed, the NEP took a pragmatic turn into consolidating the interests of the peasantry and small businesses to centralize wealth to recoup war losses.

Bukharin oriented the NEP to establish a market system before Stalin tampered with him

[rocky coyote]

i half expected the Zionist to recognize the deportations as a kind of ethnic-purifying valor the way they praise Nakba for booting out arabs but i'll settle with denial

[feral river]

law/rule without enforcement is toilet paper

everyone is saying ethnic-purifying but they barely knows how it does impact to the society and the state

they don't want to talk about it

survival for the fittest

[turbid dome]

I think this is very optimistic about Lenin’s intent tbh.

The Russians never needed the spartacist uprising to succeed, though it would’ve helped.

The more likely explanation is played out both through all of Lenin’s actions and everyone who claims to be a Leninist or offshoot of Leninist (I.e. Marxist Leninist) and their actions.

It always ends with a system of governance where a party elite consolidates power for themselves and replaced the pre existing hierarchy with the proletariat subjugated to the party and state instead of capitalists. Considering he stamped out workers councils and jailed anarchists and communists in opposition to him, it’s considerably more likely his writings to be propaganda.

Marx’s main reason for stating capitalism as a necessary development was because of his belief that the contradictions would inevitably lead to revolution. But the revolution (which was more Trotsky than Lenin on the ground) had been completed, but instead of letting workers guide themselves through the necessary developments or even straight to socialism with focus on building heavy industry, they subjugated workers.

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[turbid dome]

I also like to keep in mind that mainstream leftists at the time were wary of Lenin due to his beliefs, and he faced frequent criticism from communists. The bolsheviks themselves were the result of a party split caused by Lenin’s dogmatic beliefs that others viewed as wrong

[feral river]

well Marx's idea has nothing to do with heavy industries, if you would say heavy industries that was the idea of Stalin and he's thinking how to transform a backward state to a industrialized global power, he predicted the next war and made 5-years plan which only focus on heavy industry by sacrifice farmer's interest to be industrialized

[turbid dome]

I never said Marx’s idea included heavy industries, that was a hypothetical I threw out

[feral river]

also in general marxism the class definition of the farmers was little bourgeoisie

most of them own lands in europe which is the means of production

[turbid dome]

True but this isn’t really relevant to the topic at hand

[bold forum]

whoah seems I am lost xdd

[rocky coyote]

Ionly referred to his writings about the Revolution, he obviously operated under Russia's own circumstances but the success would've bolstered his ideas more on state abolition and, somehow, the innovated militant body of the proletariat to ensure the compliance of institutions protecting class antagonism. sadly, Luxemburg wasn't this bold

the Bolsheviks' main priorities were recollecting assets and socioeconomic stability after the Civil War, and they needed to encourage market activities with a mixed economy plan. i'm not trying to absolve Lenin of his degrading Vanguardist integrity here, many of left SRs and anarchists were rightfully critical of the collectivization policies and Lenin himself was limp during a good remainder of his supervising role nearing the end of his life. but he was optimistic until he chose Bukharin to take the wheel and Trotsky to deal with rebelling anarchists e.g Kronstadt.

[turbid dome]

Yeah, I guess my issue is I just don’t trust a thing his public facing writings say. I view it as personal PR. Whatever he may personally believe, he certainly acted antithetical to his stated belief in socialism, whether by incompetence or malice doesn’t concern me too much

[rocky coyote]

ehhh it was still on track with his idea of realizing Marx's lower phase. The "Leninism" in Marxist-Leninism is often credited as the ideology's practice school. reminder that Socialism in One Country was Stalin's idea, Lenin only contrived a restorative state capitalist policy with the hopes that everyone would cooperate

the many compromises blurred the line between ideological advancement and post-war revitalization, but his later writings still contained brimming socialist zeal towards his programs

[turbid dome]

I don’t think he even worked towards socialism well tbh, I understand how it could’ve been conceived of as a state capitalist policy being necessary for socialism, but it doesn’t explain his anti-socialist policies. And yeah, while Lenin didn’t come up with socialism in one state it certainly seems like the logical conclusion of his policy.

Whatever Lenin fancied himself or fantasized about in his writings may be good, but it just contrasts with the on the ground realities

[formal pilot]

I ain't reading aladat

[rocky coyote]

there was no true socialist policy that didn't involve tailoring Capitalism to be progressive for a long while. he was equally valiant through many self-determination and indigeneity diversification programs like the Korenizatsiya as he was viceful with snuffing out oppositions to the Bolsheviks.

the aftermath of the civil war was him tidying up scraps.

[turbid dome]

Well yeah, my point is that when you see his actions as a whole it doesn’t appear to be socialist oriented, and when his writings are put in the context of his actions and positions in society, they hold different meanings.

For every program like the Korenizatsiia there is also something like the invasion of Ukraine after its independence. To me that would suggest programs to indigenous communities to be less about being self determination based and more about the practicality of offering autonomy as pacification to prevent indigenous communities from revolting from the extremely fragile state

[rocky coyote]

most self-liberation policies had that tendency. and other than the fact the native-affirmation policies took place after the civil war, the invasions of Ukraine during Lenin's active years were prominently carried to quell Nazi-aligned white movements, thus the program inevitably had to be arranged to molify even said movements. the one time Bolsheviks were frothing for Ukraine seemingly out of absorbed importance was the 1919 invasion.

[sharp creek]

isfrun isfrun, may i ask some experts say that birds are the descendants of dinosaurs recently, is that for real @manic juniper

[turbid dome]

I’m not sure how that contradicts anything I said or changes anything

[turbid dome]

Birds are dinosaurs

[rocky coyote]

oh i wasn't refuting, just clearing up some historic justifications to relieve bad faith interpretations.

[manic juniper]

Yes, many consider them to be dinosaurs

[sullen epoch]

hey friends , can we solve a DSA question together on Discord for job preparation in start-up and also MNC , so if you are interested then Dm Me !!! , i am serious for job

[spice bobcat]

REMEMBER WHO YOU AREEEEEE

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[hazy lava]

Whats MNC

[stable edge]

Yoo wassup

[sharp creek]

WHHHAAAT

[sullen epoch]

Multinational Corporation ,Some well-known MNCs include Apple, Toyota, Nestle, and Coca-Cola.

[crisp garden]

What about Nissan

[tender vessel]

Nah. Dinosaurs are the descendants of birds, they just devolved back because they realized it's immoral to be predators.

[feral river]

They are all fucking dead because they can’t survive under that natural condition lmfao

Your animal moral theory my ass

Sounds like they feel immoral so they killed themselves

🤣

[tender vessel]

Actually, they didn't die according to evolutionists. Modern day birds are Dinosaurs.

[feral river]

Funny as always flare

[tender vessel]

Total displeasure that you like my jokes. Thank you. Lol.

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/oceanmam-gorilla-gif-23787593

[raven heart]

[lime epoch]

who got a sever i will join

[versed edge]

Minecraft is back

[thorny steeple]

Do you ask or telling us

[hollow spade]

Did u make a server?

[fresh flower]

Ruined my week

[sour phoenix]

Guys, you know that there is a flat earth voice channel in this server. Me and my friend want to prove that the flat earth theory is false. Me and my friend want to prove that to the Earth is round. We intend to start it at 1300 o’clock GMT +0 of a 24 hour clock today. If you want to join us please Direct message me. I will provide information debunking flat earth in a PDF file. Please help us win. We could really use some good debaters, and just join if you can and help the cause. Who’s with me? We shall conquer! Down with flat earth!

[prisma cipher]

You failed before starting, if you talk with flat believers it mean you talk with stupid, if you talk with stupid you can't prove him anything.

But good luck

[vestal heron]

gimme some serious info

[sour phoenix]

Dm me

[vestal heron]

well said brother 👍. totally agree with you.

[fresh flower]

How serious are we talking

[sonic hazel]

You do not need to prove that the earth is flat. Science has already proved this. Trying to argue with people who believe in it, is in vain. You will only waste time.

[versed edge]

For what?

[versed edge]

Chaos is necessary

[restive finch]

No chaos 😔

[versed edge]

Looks tasty

[thorny steeple]

The less chaos the bigger peace 🕊️ (wtf is this!)

[thorny steeple]

Pookie 💔◀️👤🪦

[slender coral]

Muslims would go on and on about how ISIS is a Mossad and CIA conspiracy when it doesn't make any sense.
Sure, ISIS can never be an organic part of the Muslim world. Decades of tolerating hate speech against other religious and non-religious groups and militarized religious texts from Quran and Sunnah people read and memorize all the time certainly aren't what gave rise to radical groups, it's the evil organizations with members in black hoodies working in the shadows.

[vestal heron]

very serious!

[tender vessel]

Wow. You've leveled up. I'm proud of you.
Also, It's just weird how ISIS never spoken against the Israeli occupation.. Instead, they had no problem openly loathing any Palestinian resistance group. They've for long killed all types of Muslims and attacked many Muslim majority countries, never in my life have I heard they've even accidentally attacked the Israeli occupation. It should be point of focus for them if they claim to be 'devout' Muslims since Al-Aqsa is right there.

I'm not saying they are Mossad agents, but I'm considering the possibility of them being allies with the occupation. It's of the occupation's interest to spread terror and corruption in middle eastern countries.

[slender coral]

How do you know they never spoken against Israel? Are you following their channels or what?
Anyway, you are wrong. They often encouraged Palestinians to stab Israeli settlers. Wilayat Sina'a also attacked Israel borders in 2012 when a group of them killed Egyptian soldiers, took Egyptian armored vehicles and one of got into Israeli borders. That was before they allied with ISIS, but even after that they did try to attack Israel with rockets multiple times from Egypt and Israel cooperated with Egypt to air strike their positions.
Most of ISIS victims are Muslims because they think their ends justify the means, and innocent Muslims they kill in the way would go to heaven anyway. They operate in Muslim countries and their focus is to control those countries first then they would start attack others, and that makes sense from their point of view and even from an Islamic point of view generally, make Sharia rule first then spread it.
And despite that, they continue to attack non-Muslim countries and people despite how it's not strategic at all for them.

[winter echo]

Is this true?

[slender coral]

The idea that Israel behind them is so silly. Why would Israel plant a group that hates it in an unstable region? Are they stupid enough to not consider that it could get out of control and the new leadership for countries around them would be a group like ISIS that wants war? You don't remember how big regions of Iraq and Syria fell in the hands of ISIS rapidly and how many people at first celebrated them?
I don't think Israelis are this stupid, and Arab countries have always been weak anyway so they never posed a real threat on Israel's existence even at its worst moments. Even in the 1973 war, the Egyptian army would never had succeeded in taking Israel. In fact, Israel would've occupied Cairo if the war continued for so long. Israeli forces penetrated Egyptian lines before the peace deal.

[shy summit]

Can’t blame all the baddies together

[tender vessel]

Actually, ISIS's attacks on Muslims are largely based on their Takfir ideology.
From their point of view, it would still make more sense to attack the occupation first. They have never formally declared any attack on the occupation, though. Also, the occupation may play it in a way that clear them of suspicions.
Anyways, it was just a thought process. Maybe they are not. I don't know.

[tender vessel]

Didn't say they are one group. Just allies due to aligning interests.

[smoky wharf]

Blocked?

[prisma cipher]

Sure

[smoky wharf]

No. It’s unblock day.

[prisma cipher]

No

[slender coral]

And their Takfir ideology stems from how large chunks of Muslim populations don't adhere to true traditional Islam. As I said, it's not strategic for them to split their focus across multiple targets, they already have enough on their plate and yet their allies in Saina still continued to try and attack Israel and they encouraged Palestinians to stab Israeli settlers through their media outlets.

[tender vessel]

Nah. They excommunicate anyone who doesn't adhere to their own ideologies. Not that Muslims are not adhering to true traditional Islam.

You don't miss any opportunity to stab Islam, don't you.

[slender coral]

Brother even mainstream Muslim yap about how Muslims don't adhere to "true Islam" anymore.
Haven't you ever heard Muslims complaining about Hudud not implemented and how mosques aren't crowded anymore?
When ISIS ruled they cut off the hands of thieves, stoned adulterers, executed murderers, implemented jizyah and Dhimmi laws on non-Muslims, forced women to wear hijab, made men stop having haram haircuts, etc...

[restive finch]

Are you challenging bloody Muslims brothe

[slender coral]

I do miss lol
You guys kill and imprison whoever criticize your belief, so I have no outlet to share my thoughts other than online.

It really baffles me how you hold this idea that your religion is under attack when you suppress its criticism everywhere, whether with violence and legal action in the Muslim world or with accusations of Islamophobia and victimhood card in free societies.

[tender vessel]

Nope. Never heard one Sheikh complains about 'Huded not being implemented'. It's not even 'implementing huded', it's upholding Sharia.
A lot people not going to mosques is indeed a problem that is spoken about a lot, that doesn't mean they do not adhere to true traditional Islam or that they have left the religion.

[slender coral]

Even implementing Hudud is something people and Sheikhs complain about all the time. I grew up hearing them fantasizing about cutting off the hands of thieves.

[slender coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFVr9yYN6Kw

ISIS is organic. Its rise is no surpirse to me.

[tender vessel]

I'm sure you'll find a lot of material in Jewish and Christian bible to criticize too.
Maybe:

2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.
[Deuteronomy 17:2-5]

There are many non-Islamic terrorist groups as well to criticize. You don't have to cling so tightly to propaganda and Islamophobia together.

[solemn frost]

Deuteronomy 17:2-5 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<2>" If there is found among you, within any of your towns which the Lord your God gives you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, <3> and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, <4> and it is told you and you hear of it; then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abominable thing has been done in Israel, <5> then you shall bring forth to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones.

BibleBot v12.1.0 by Kerygma Digital

[slender coral]

1- This is obviously not relevant to me.
2- Islamic terrorism is more common and Islamic fanaticism is more common and intense than its counterparts.

Porpaganda and Islamophobia lol

[slender coral]

Also, from what I know Jews adhere to rabincal traditions not to the bible, no?

[formal pilot]

They're also not competent enough, no wonder why more than 80% victims of islamic terrorism are muslims

/s

[nova apex]

Can anyone talk to me

[formal pilot]

[slender coral]

I addressed that many times before read the conversation 🤦

[formal pilot]

I ain't reading aladat

[slender coral]

Then don't give your opinion on a conversation you haven't read

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-car-explode-cat-boom-bah-gif-5387928273689188008

[formal pilot]

It's a public server, I'll shove my opinions wherever I want

[slender coral]

Ok bro, whatever makes you comfortable.
If you don't mind asking, are you a Muslim?

[formal pilot]

No, I'm not a Muslim

[slender coral]

Then why are you defending it?

[formal pilot]

I'm not defending it, I don't like the idea of generalizing it

[rugged adder]

Wow should I be a victim to defend a victim I find it is a strange principle

[slender coral]

I never claimed all Muslims are fanatical and terrorist, I'm saying that they have these problems in their societies and they should focus on solving them and stop spreading nonsensical conspiracy theories.

[rugged adder]

When you see something wrong it is not strange or awkward to defend it

[tender vessel]

'Fantasizing', the amount of prejudice is unmatched. And you seem to like theft as well. Lol.
Also, I did invite you to debate a person who knows far more than you do on Islam, The Muslim Lantern. Why haven't you accepted the challenge? Scared?
He'd give you a platform to criticize Islam to a wider audience. A genuine critic wouldn't dislike this idea, especially Islamophobes.

[slender coral]

It strange and awkward when it's obviously bad and yet you hop in to defend it when you aren't even a part of it.

[rugged adder]

I want to know about these nonsensical conspiracy theories

[rugged adder]

Then is it okay if I am muslim

[tender vessel]

1. Any religion with violent passages should be relevant you. You're an atheist, aren't you? Otherwise, you're just another Islamophobe, maybe not even an atheist, who knows.
2. Lol. Okay. I'll just lay this peer-reviewed study here:
   https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418825.2018.1524507

[tender vessel]

Pretty much.

[tender vessel]

Nope. They follow both. In fact, the main foundational source of Judaism is the Torah.

[formal pilot]

It appears to be generalizing the whole community lol, And I do agree that there are serious issues in their societies that need fixing. Most people in Muslim countries just want a peaceful life, but they often end up victims of terrorism

[slender coral]

And you seem to like theft as well.
Because I don't want those who commit theft to get their hands cut off, great thought process. It's just that medieval solutions to societal problems aren't good, that's why I criticize them, doesn't mean at all I defend the action. Go and tell anyone who get weirded about this genius solution outside the Muslim world that they like theft lol

Why haven't you accepted the challenge? Scared?
Sure, the only logical answer is that I'm scared. Certainly not because my level in English would make VC difficult for me or maybe I don't like to talk in front of a big number of people live. But I guess I'm at fault here, I need to stop expecting Muslim fundamentalists to approach conversations in good faith.
Prejudice you say, could you stop using terms coined by the filthy infidels of the west? Why do you use such language that was made to combat bigotry when you don't mind it as a concept? Try to use more Islamic terminology around these topics instead of trying to appear as a victim in front of westerners?

[formal pilot]

Books from abrahimic religion are more entertaining than Harry Potter ngl

[slender coral]

It isn't about terrorism here. It's about the suppression of dissent which is real and very common in Muslim countries, and I don't think Flare oppose it given our previous conversations. Muslim countries are the only countries that punish apostasy with death, and punishment for blasphemy is more common and more severe in them.

That's why I only criticize Islam online

[slender coral]

Any religion with violent passages should be relevant you. You're an atheist, aren't you? Otherwise, you're just another Islamophobe, maybe not even an atheist, who knows.
Are you really convinced by this or pretending? I live in a Muslim country, why would I care about something that I don't see in my sphere more than the religion and community that suppress me?

I'll see about your peer-reviewed study later.

[slender coral]

Like how they say Mossad, CIA, and the freemasons created ISIS for example.

[rugged adder]

Not all thiefs get their hands cut off There are a lot of conditions and considerations like when hunger happens and when someone steals they won't cut their hand

[slender coral]

It's not good under any circumanstance, that's assuming you are right about what you say.

[tender vessel]

It's bold to demand 'good faith' when all you do is dehumanizing Islam and Muslims.
Also, WHAT ON GOD'S EARTH IS THAT. LMFAO!! So, just because I'm a Muslim I shouldn't use anything that isn't 'Islamic'. Honestly, you have a more extreme ideology than any extreme group I know. xD

[rugged adder]

What about you why do you think you are right about what you have said

[slender coral]

you have a more extreme ideology than any extreme group I know

I'm more extreme than ISIS for example because I criticize Islam and Muslim societies online. Ok.

تمام جداً

[ornate basin]

hello hello

[rugged adder]

وه بتتكلم عربي

[slender coral]

Hey

[slender coral]

Yeah I'm Egyptian

[ornate basin]

So i have a question about this sentence i stumbled upon

[slender coral]

Go ahead

[ornate basin]

it caries a deep meaning i can't quite understand

a small fish swims to the older fish and says "i'm trying to find this thing called the ocean",
the ocean? says the older fish,that's where you are right now,"this?" says the young fish "this is water what i want is the ocean"

[rugged adder]

That's strange I thought you don't know anything about Islam

[slender coral]

I know a lot. Not a scholar but certainly better than some Muslims in some areas.

[tender vessel]

Haven't you just said people are not following the true traditional Islam. LMAO.
So you just have some sort of trauma from your community. Good, I agree. 🤝
Thanks for coming. Having a goodnight.

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[manic juniper]

Is that the Oblivion lockpicking minigame

[tender vessel]

You really don't have to. Being informed is not your thing.

[ornate basin]

Yes it is

[manic juniper]

Nice

[ornate basin]

indeed

[slender coral]

Probably it means how some people don't appreciate the great things they have, and don't see how good they are.
Like the child of a loving parent not realizing that they are blessed.

[rugged adder]

I don't think so because first you are not the one that defines that you know a lot about Islam second your problem with cut off hands shows that you didn't read even a book about it

[slender coral]

How?

[manic juniper]

I respect what Islam says about hyraxes but it's bad that it negatively depicts geckos

That's completely immoral to me

[rugged adder]

Did you study in Alazher or you read some articles

[manic juniper]

Why can't it say positive things about them as well

Especially when geckos are more charismatic and serve the world better than hyraxes

https://tenor.com/view/hyrax-dassie-rock-hyrax-dassies-hyracoidea-gif-27471376

[slender coral]

As I said, I'm not a scholar. But I read a lot and listened to many dawah people and Shiekhs.

[rugged adder]

Tell me names

[ornate basin]

That was my first thought until i read some comments agreeing with the young fish

its like escaping the routine life where everyone is like a robot

[slender coral]

You know that conditions differ from scholar to scholar, right? And regardless, even if a thief is only punished with that when they aren't in need, that isn't wise. There are mental health conditions that may drive someone to do such thing, we should treat that rather than cut of the person's hand.

[slender coral]

I think my view is more accurate because the fish isn't trying to leave the ocean for another place more adventurous, but it is in the ocean and not recognizing that.

[ornate basin]

thought it was that the young fish seeing something else old fish can't recognize

[rugged adder]

But I heard that geckos can carry salmonella germs

[slender coral]

I think this interpretations would require more justifications for how exchange goes.

[tender vessel]

Oh man! This is getting even more fun. Lol.
Did you know that, weirdly enough, Islam prohibits punishing the ill? These terrorist Muslims put incredibly strict requirements for the most severe punishments. This hurdle obstructs us from properly dehumanizing them.

[slender coral]

@rugged adder where are you from btw if you don't mind asking?

[rugged adder]

You are right it is differ from scholar to another but it should lead to the same destination anyway if you think about the mental health about the thief what about the mental health about the one who gets stolen tell me what about this side of story

[rugged adder]

I am Egyptian too

[slender coral]

Islam doesn't recognize the concept of mental illness outside of severe cases too. That explains why many Muslim scholars and Sheikhs don't recognize stuff like depression and anxiety as real medical problems not some sort of demonic influence.

[rugged adder]

Who said that

[tender vessel]

Wow. I'm an Egyptian too.
We're invading the server. Or should I say, waging an Islamic conquest on the server. Lol.

[rugged adder]

I really want to know the name of these sheikhs and scholars

[slender coral]

Well, in a good country the damaged side would get their stuff back after the thief is captured. The thief goes through rehab.
Now you have two functioning members of society instead of ending up with a person with one hand less.

[slender coral]

You guys seem to live in Egypt not masr
I'll try to find some and send you their videos.

[tender vessel]

بَاب الطَّلَاقِ فِي الْإِغْلَاقِ وَالْكُرْهِ وَالسَّكْرَانِ وَالْمَجْنُونِ وَأَمْرِهِمَا وَالْغَلَطِ وَالنِّسْيَانِ فِي الطَّلَاقِ وَالشِّرْكِ وَغَيْرِهِ لِقَوْلِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ الْأَعْمَالُ بِالنِّيَّةِ وَلِكُلِّ امْرِئٍ مَا نَوَى وَتَلَا الشَّعْبِيُّ لَا تُؤَاخِذْنَا إِنْ نَسِينَا أَوْ أَخْطَأْنَا وَمَا لَا يَجُوزُ مِنْ إِقْرَارِ الْمُوَسْوِسِ وَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لِلَّذِي أَقَرَّ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ أَبِكَ جُنُونٌ وَقَالَ عُقْبَةُ بْنُ عَامِرٍ لَا يَجُوزُ طَلَاقُ الْمُوَسْوِسِ
Chapter: Divorce under compulsion, dislike, drunkenness, madness and related matters; (divorce) issued in error or forgetfulness; during shirk (polytheism) and otherwise — based on the Prophet’s ﷺ saying: “Actions are judged by intentions and each person will have only what he intended.” And Al-Shaʿbi recited: “Our Lord, do not take us to task if we forget or make a mistake.” And (regarding) what is not valid from the confession of a person afflicted with obsessive whisperings (waswasa). The Prophet ﷺ said to the man who confessed against himself: “Are you insane?” And ʿUqbah ibn ʿĀmir said: “The divorce of a person suffering from waswasa is not valid.
[Sahih Bukhari]

لَّيْسَ عَلَى ٱلْأَعْمَىٰ حَرَجٌۭ وَلَا عَلَى ٱلْأَعْرَجِ حَرَجٌۭ وَلَا عَلَى ٱلْمَرِيضِ حَرَجٌۭ ۗ
There is not upon the blind any guilt or upon the lame any guilt or upon the ill any guilt [for remaining behind]....
[Qur'an 48:17]

Even contemporary scholars acknowledge depression and don't recognize Kufir when someone is in a severe state:
https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/169574/هل-يحاسب-المريض-بالاكتىاب-على-اقواله

And mentally ill people:
https://www.islamweb.net/ar/fatwa/131295/هل-يؤاخذ-المريض-النفسي-بتصرفاته

[rugged adder]

What don't generalize what come from uneducated people

[tender vessel]

Bro, have a nice and respectful conversation with the Muslim Lantern. He'll probably help you overcome whatever you've been through, InShaAllah.

He's far better than me in Islamic studies.

[rugged adder]

You are really lazy enough to search about what prophet Muhammad said

There are a lot of haddis about people who have mental illnesses

[rugged adder]

Even if we live on Mars Islam is Islam it doesn't change. You don't know that it is okay fine go and learn but speaking like you know everything that is a huge mistake

[rugged adder]

No, who told you that is what is happening most cases don't get their stuff back

[slender coral]

I never spoke like I know everything.
Islam doesn't change, but it seems like views on it change given the social context and the amount of knowledge the person reading its texts possesses. It's almost as if it's not as timeless as many Muslims claim.

[rugged adder]

Do you know what the conditions are to cut off the hand of the thief

[slender coral]

As I said, those matters differ from scholar to scholar. But yes I read the opinion that says it should only be applied in times of stability and they cite the story of how Umar ibn al-Khatab stopped implementing it at some point for that reason, but my point still stands, cutting off someone's hand for theft is extreme and unreasonable.

[tender vessel]

Yeah we eat Croissant and Milk Tea on breakfast. We don't eat Foul and Kushari, that's yucky. xD
Just kidding. I don't even like Milk Tea.

[rugged adder]

You really have a strange mindset you said the views change and Islam doesn't change and at the end you say it is not timeless

[slender coral]

I like eating fools, but I don't like talking to them

[rugged adder]

No

[slender coral]

The claim that its timeless is about how it can work in any context. I'm pointing out that it needs to change because it can't.
Being timeless and rigid are two different things.

[tender vessel]

Eh, you eat them!? LMFAO. No wonder your arguments are absurd.

[rugged adder]

Who are you to change it

You already have a misconception

[slender coral]

What?

[rugged adder]

And change your point each second

[slender coral]

Point out when I changed my point

Where did I do that?

[rugged adder]

You said Islam should change and I want to know who you are to change it you even didn't study it

[rugged adder]

You told us no one cares about mental illness in islm

[tender vessel]

Timeless means it works in all times, it doesn't mean it fits with all standards.
Why should people always make embarrassing mistakes that I have to correct. Why!

[rugged adder]

You didn't reply to me about the conditions you told me that it differs really I want specific answer give me an answer that convinces you from the sheikhs that you were listening to