🧠｜serious-chat

[uncut tiger]

[covert quiver]

This server and Discord aren’t free speech platforms. They never have and never will be.

[thorny steeple]

XD

[uncut tiger]

the point is they cant know

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/benny-fallout-fallout-new-vegas-what-in-the-goddamn-confusion-gif-24924085

[uncut tiger]

idk how your system works but i still doubt it

i might lend one of my google accounts to minecraft so he can enjoy enghub again

[thorny steeple]

XD bro's a long term planner

[uncut tiger]

jk dont ban me lol

[shy summit]

Too late I’m already lubing my ban hammer like Miley Cyrus in that one music video

[uncut tiger]

why the lubricant

[shy summit]

No it helps with wind resistance you sick fuck

[uncut tiger]

go study aerodynamics

[thorny steeple]

XD

[uncut tiger]

lubricants have high viscosity

theyre like honey

[shy summit]

Shhhhhh

[uncut tiger]

did you guys ever suspect me for being minecrafts alt tho

[thorny steeple]

Changing topics

[uncut tiger]

LAW WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[thorny steeple]

No

Writing style is utterly different

[thorny steeple]

Nope

[formal pilot]

🥻

[uncut tiger]

that was my plan

btw the dog in my breakfast today was delicious as fuck

[formal pilot]

Yes, this place should not be turned into that toxic P&R server

[uncut tiger]

[arctic flint]

thats disturbing

[arctic flint]

yeah it should

[tall creek]

Whats the topoc

[thorny steeple]

Agreed it sucks the fun and serious topics of this place

[tall creek]

Topic

What's the topic

[fleet apex]

So what’s the right opinion?or should we keep talking this discussion 🤔

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[tall creek]

Its obvious

What you mean?

[thorny steeple]

Saari

[manic juniper]

Where, Hokkaido?

[formal pilot]

Ladies and gentlemen, it's with great pleasure that I announce, after four weeks of care, this bird has fully recovered and today, I let it fly free

[tough schooner]

where is tha?

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/elhamdulillahspedup-elhamdulillah-alhamdulillahspedup-alhamdulillah-hooboii-gif-12872116053923192593

[uncut tiger]

blud is doing good deeds before his sentence

thats P&R discord for you all

[manic juniper]

Did he show gratefulness

[formal pilot]

Yes, God will burn me in hell, not for 500 years or 10000 years, for ever

And he's supposed to love more 70X mother's love

[formal pilot]

After I released him, he stayed nearby for nearly four hours. When I called out, he turned and looked at me, Eventually flew off with other parrots

[tender vessel]

The Chinese guy is finally banned??

Sad... I really had some fun reading his jokes. Lol.

[tender vessel]

That's good news! I love birds.
He looks like an Indian parrot or an amazon parrot.

[uncut tiger]

its called mian mitthu

[turbid dome]

Minecraft got banned?

Least surprising thing

[hidden shore]

I miss my Minecraft girl

Pls someone unbanned her for mercy

[high raven]

Oh

For the usual?

[turbid dome]

Idk I just saw someone say he got banned and he no longer appears here

[tender vessel]

I'm watching some YouTube videos. He is so freaking adorable!

[hidden shore]

Crazy

[uncut tiger]

do you not check the illuminati server

[turbid dome]

Ahh I didn’t see the ban there

[tender vessel]

Well, helping an old lady cross the road won't help you in your theft trial too.

[tender vessel]

"...If they still turn away, then truly Allah does not like the disbelievers." [Qur'an 3:32]
Seems like you missed a verse.

Islam is not Christianity. Lol.

[tender vessel]

Lol.

[uncut tiger]

W Flare

[manic juniper]

He will be missed

[thorny steeple]

Aladdin won't forget what happened to him

Lmao

[prisma cipher]

the parrot doesn't give a damn about you. He just chill and decided where to fly

[cobalt comet]

Maybe.

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

[uncut tiger]

Is that Minecrafts grave

[wispy cedar]

✨ К черту Израиль и всех, кто его поддерживает ✨

Да благословит Аллах Кавказ, Среднюю Азию и добрых братьев.

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-komaru-gif-24116482

[turbid dome]

Maybe he's not actually dead, just resting

[magic olive]

You got #1006555275152588901 for texting other than English here

[uncut tiger]

Is he gonna get unbanned

[turbid dome]

No idea

[uncut tiger]

Are we gonna witness the Renaissance

[prisma cipher]

[snow depot]

Heyy, I really wanna learn English properly. Anyone down to be my teacher or study buddy?

Maybe I’m my own best teacher

[tender vessel]

His whole message history was... genocided. I bet he doesn't support that. Lol.

He is finally back to his China mainland. The mods made the server great again. xD

[tender vessel]

He is buried in Survival mode, to make sure he never breaks out.
Buried his worst takes next to him, took hours to dig that deep.

[hidden shore]

Why are you always mentioning about him

[late ravine]

Incomprehensible Paycheck

[winter echo]

@manic juniper i told you I'll find evidence for Nazis in ukraine
Guess who are in this picture

[manic juniper]

Didn't ask

[winter echo]

I never say you did
Anyway go sleep

[manic juniper]

You don't dictate what other people do

And if you knew I didn't care why did you even ping

[formal pilot]

worship me and only me or burn in hell for all eternity.

God is a totalitarian narcissistic dictator.

And he claims to be all loving

• Punishment in the absence of behavior-modification is just sadism and sadistic torture can not be meted out by a benevolent being

[tender vessel]

Eh. You're trying to pick an argument with me?

If so, please bring something that hasn't been echoed 432142135213423 times and is already obliterated beyond recognition.

[formal pilot]

I'm sure it was you who started the argument with me

[tender vessel]

Nah. I was just correcting your embarrassing mistake.

[formal pilot]

Na, your god doesn't seem to be all loving

Anyway how are you

I thought you got abducted by mossad

[tender vessel]

Here is another correction for you. Allah is not all-loving. Lol.

He is most-loving. Again, Islam is not Christianity. Go learn something instead of embarrassing yourself.

[tender vessel]

I'm doing good, alhamdulillah.

[formal pilot]

My bad, it was actually Al Wadud

[tender vessel]

They are busy trying to hide the Epstein files.

[tender vessel]

No worries. Let me know whenever you need another correction.

[formal pilot]

Glad to hear that

[formal pilot]

I'm always ready to be corrected, perks of not being religious

[tender vessel]

More like perks of being ignorant, but okay. It doesn't annoy or trigger me.

[formal pilot]

Don't forget to recite surah kahaf, have a good day

[turbid dome]

I don’t think anyone denies Nazis in Ukraine but they’re not in positions of power.

Like there’s Nazis in Russia too but they’re also not in positions of power, can everyone invade Russia now?

[winter echo]

Do you know who are in that picture?

[turbid dome]

You tell me

All I know is that is posted by a Jackson Hinkle orbiter account lmao

Literally a Russian propagandist

[winter echo]

Go do some research

[turbid dome]

If you would like to make claims you can source them and tell me what it is instead of sending me to go tell you everything

[dreamy wind]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-backshots-gif-1172518849162068669

[wispy cedar]

Да здравствует палестинское Сопротивление!

[lime cobalt]

Oh cmoon you guys baned minecraft ?? This chat will dying. And full of trash

[viscid ferry]

that kid should have been banned 10 years ago. idk why they took so long

[versed edge]

Life needs chaos

Revive him

[viscid ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cyvo-cybersecurity-crypto-cryptocryptocurrency-security-gif-2137291526738811228

https://tenor.com/view/well-never-know-whats-behind-that-link-ignace-aleya-we-dont-know-what-it-contains-we-dont-know-what-it-is-all-about-we-wont-know-whats-behind-that-link-gif-17789165

you are gonna get muted

[prisma cipher]

It's easy to find

[versed edge]

As martini said, you'll find them in Every country.

[formal pilot]

I can confirm

[uncut tiger]

are there any nazis in pakistan

if yes then how to find them

[versed edge]

Not necessarily white supremacist nazis

But you'll have racial supremacists for sure.

[uncut tiger]

racial supremacist nazi

how would i spot them

[versed edge]

They walk around with big swastikas tattooed on their foreheads

[high raven]

Usually, they're on the poorer side and/or have poor genetic traits

[uncut tiger]

what if they did it as a joke but i had already finished killing them?

[uncut tiger]

you mean the beggar people

[versed edge]

Life happens

If you have blonde hair and brown eyes you have strong genetic traits.

[uncut tiger]

i have black hair and brown eyes

double B's

[versed edge]

Halfway there

If Minecraft were here he would know what to say.

[formal pilot]

I disagree

Slowly Rainbow is getting straight

[turbid dome]

Alex Jones proven right again, rainbow water

First the gay frogs. Then the chemical in the water turning the frogs gay, now the gay bomb baby, and soon there will be snakes under my feet

[winter echo]

???

[winter echo]

Help @turbid dome with the names he doesn't want to do his homework

[prisma cipher]

I don't want to do it either. Don't care if he don't believe.

[steel night]

Hi

[high raven]

Thank you Trump for ending woke

[rocky coyote]

is anyone here well read on the UK age verifs

[manic juniper]

Bro is proud of finding a random pic of Nazis in Ukraine. Just look up "Russian march" Nazis are there too, what's surprising about it

[rocky coyote]

who are you talking about

or to

were you debating someone here

[manic juniper]

Just referring to what that guy said before

I'm not debating him because he's addicted to Russian state propaganda, it's not my responsibility to cure him

https://jamestown.org/program/the-involvement-of-russian-ultra-nationalists-in-the-donbas-conflict/
For anyone who thought the Donbas "civil war" was an actual civil war and not an event sponsored by the little green men from Russia

[rocky coyote]

no one who has ever argued about Bandera and UPA remnants in the ukraine govt ever done so in good faith

[prisma cipher]

Shoot the fuck up, Russian marshes is nothing compared to Ukrainian. It literally don't exist in comparison. It like saying Russian also have black dude here.

[manic juniper]

Why are they Sieg Heiling

[rocky coyote]

Russian neo-nazis aren't as instituted as Asov but they are real man

[prisma cipher]

I bet it old or not Russian. We have nazi back then.

[manic juniper]

Well there is Wagner, some of them have been incorporated into the main Russian army

[prisma cipher]

Like in 90th and 00

[rocky coyote]

the majority of modern russian neo nazis are literally millenials 😭

[manic juniper]

The co-founder Utkin is a neonazi and many members are

[prisma cipher]

But Ukrainian is like Russian nazi in 90th

Like every classes have nazi people in school

It like that in Ukraine

It was like that when I was at school in 90th

[manic juniper]

Plus Wagner did actual war crimes, I don't think Azov did. Now I don't think Azov is good, but they're just 2500 members at best and they're not going around killing Jews or especially massacring civilians

[prisma cipher]

I saw someone look like close no nazi several years ago

Here

[rocky coyote]

you're gonna the Ukraine who was among the most assisted nations in the Korenizatsia before it's De-ukranization under Stalin a state that ignorantly housed Nazis????

[prisma cipher]

When you don't know shut the fuck up.

Beatch

[manic juniper]

Will you tell me that Azov did Bucha now

[prisma cipher]

Blocked

[manic juniper]

CIRCASSIAN GENOCIDE CIRCASSIAN GENOCIDE CIRCASSIAN GENOCIDE

[prisma cipher]

I can explain why you wrong but I did it before with different cases, you don't listen, so won't waste my time in rushofobic beach

[manic juniper]

You wish I were truly Russophobic

[prisma cipher]

Is someone interesting why she talking bulshiet I explain in DM. I free to answer.

[manic juniper]

I read something btw it's awful

[rocky coyote]

you two were talking between a language barrier you won't ever be able to leap through and a lot of her points were correct

pipe down

[manic juniper]

Nah man he's a Russian ultranationalist

Its not a language barrier problem

[prisma cipher]

Beach is blocked don't read her stupid.

[manic juniper]

Any criticism of Russia is Russophobic
Like he couldn't even answer if the other Russian guy on this channel was Russophobic because he didn't like Putin and the war

[rocky coyote]

that's evident but he was speaking in cryptids with no clear historic basis

[prisma cipher]

I literally don't say bad word against Finland or something but that crazy is talking shit non stop

[manic juniper]

No one is stopping you from that

[rocky coyote]

if you had been calling out Finland's White Army in response to the russian neo-nazis banter it would've still been fair game

[manic juniper]

The main difference between Finland and Russia is that our country does less than 1% of the bad things Russia does, there isn't much to talk shit about. That's why I also talk shit about Finland but less than 1% as much as Russia's

[rocky coyote]

literally no one was stopping you

[prisma cipher]

I can answer you in DM why she talking bulshiet. Interesting, don't want to discuss it in chat with crazy

[manic juniper]

Do you want to talk about the illegal mining in the Amazon

Or what about illegal manufacturing involving children in South Asia

[prisma cipher]

Because I did it already that stupid girl isn't capable to comprehend information where Russia isn't bad.

[manic juniper]

Or exploitation of Sápmi

These are bad but they are 1% of Russia's evil

Yes there isn't a possibility of Russia being good, you aren't wrong. I really do think that

[rocky coyote]

you're lucky she didn't bring up the holodomor

[manic juniper]

I'm fanatically and genetically anti-Russia

[prisma cipher]

She did, after this topic I don't waste time on her.

[manic juniper]

If they were to create a clone of me she'd be born with negative sentiments about Russia already

[rocky coyote]

did she? or is your bad english making you misinterprey things again?

[manic juniper]

I think most countries are bad but some countries are uniquely bad and irredeemable, they have no redeemable qualities

[prisma cipher]

Slito blocked

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-how-embarassing-thats-so-embarrassing-embarassing-gif-17362984

[rocky coyote]

oh they blocked me of course

[prisma cipher]

I can block the whole chat, if need. I'll leave two or three people with whom I can discuss stuff.

[rocky coyote]

anywho we detracted a lot from my initial question because i was trying to connect the dots between the bills and its Israeli backers

[manic juniper]

Are Israeli actors backing it

I know that a company named Aylo may have been involved, they have plenty of questionable practices on their track record

[rocky coyote]

haven't confirmed it for myself, but Starner's main articles for identifying dissenters included palestinean support and anti-israel comments

[manic juniper]

This is going to be a shitshow, I hope other European countries that are implementing this dogshit decision are at least using national companies instead of foreign ones

UK certainly isn't going to do so, it'll be a data breach after another and these data will be poorly stored and owned by foreigners

[rocky coyote]

i thought Labor was going through a nonsensical puritan campaign to bar children off "adultery" but they're just trying to remove libelous sentiments. why would they need age verifications

[manic juniper]

This age verification thing was proposed multiple times, this is the first time they are able to get it through to my understanding

[rocky coyote]

i'm still trying to understand what necessitated it

Collective Shout reached out to Visa and MasterCard to remove 500+ games off itchio and Steam, topping it all off was withdrawing all purchases without ever returning the money

i pried into the owner's track records and she turned out to be a feverish zionist

[unique light]

Hi guys

[manic juniper]

Helou

[rocky coyote]

so while they're only related by a loose thread, said thread, at least i assumed, is Israel backing because UK selling data to Israel is not impossible

[manic juniper]

It should be wholly hosted by the government or at least integrated with an eID system of theirs

[prisma cipher]

I see it rushofobic assembly

[rocky coyote]

i guess my reaction would've been more flat-faced if the Labour-led government hadn't gone out their way to install that age verif on literally any online platform they could touch

even Spotify is getting one

and if they were more honest about silencing anti-zionism

[manic juniper]

That's awful but quite expected

Will they ban thousands of site at this point, all of those that don't comply

Since there is no way they can all comply or implement this

[rocky coyote]

the AI installation allegedly brings profit to the platforms

[steel night]

Hi. What do you think about EU support to Ukraine ?

[thorny steeple]

So you can't listen to music untill you're 18 now?????

That is honestly absurd

[rocky coyote]

i guess?

[steel night]

It is

[thorny steeple]

how do you listen to music then?

[rocky coyote]

or at least you're restricted from listening to any song with "explicit" contents

[thorny steeple]

Ohhhh that's better now

What's the age limit for it

[rocky coyote]

18

[steel night]

In which countries ?

[thorny steeple]

so if you're under 18,no WhatsApp,no Messenger, no discord,no google and no Spotify?

And even NO YOUTUBE??? that's crazy

[rocky coyote]

they're not disabling kids access though, they're toning it down

which implies a lot of horrid things on its own but they all boil down to state controlled development of the frontal lobe

[thorny steeple]

Ohhhhhhhhh

so like they can still listen to music

but only childish ones.

[steel night]

The point is to restrict children rights ? As usual I suppose

[rocky coyote]

pretty much

[prisma cipher]

Waste of money

[manic juniper]

It's not enough

[prisma cipher]

https://youtu.be/LbOve_UZZ54?feature=shared why listening something else until 18 if you have this

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[high raven]

It's how they sell it

The point is to control data and the internet

[prisma cipher]

They stupid, that is main point. They listen about drugs they wanna try it

[rocky coyote]

cowardice

wait no wrong replt

[rocky coyote]

cowardice

[thorny steeple]

But for how long can Russia continue this war!

[prisma cipher]

We have war in the past that lasted 100 years so just chill

[thorny steeple]

I wonder which war was this one lmao

[prisma cipher]

War with mountain people, most scared of Russian Chechen and Dagestan. Yes now they are Russian

footnote for russophobes, at this time Britain was at war with Denmark and France, and I'm not even talking about France and who Napoleon was attacked at that time.

it would be interesting to conduct statistics and see what happened in different countries at the moments, when Russophobes accuse Russia of bad behavior, was it really so bad compared to other countries

[coral belfry]

necessary to hold the line
and keep the Ukrainian army supplied

[manic juniper]

"Other countries did war crimes, we should get a free pass as well!"

[thorny steeple]

XD yeah but at least the Chechen people fought against Russia after the fall of the USSR during Yeltsin to Vladimir Putin who ended the independence of a free Chechen Republic from Russian control

[prisma cipher]

I'm not nationalist. I don't think Russian are any better or worse than any other. It's never for me first Russian than others, I will help Russian Chinese or black people just because we all the same. So stop talking bulshiet non stop.

Also unblocked

[thorny steeple]

As if such things as a free pass exists lmao

[prisma cipher]

I know how you think you give me your mindset

[manic juniper]

If you're not one why do you behave like one

[prisma cipher]

Because you said bulshiet I answer this. People say bulshiet about Uyghur I act the same.

In case of most of others countries I can't say is information is valid or nah

So I don't argue.

[manic juniper]

Bullshit happens to be anything that goes against Russia I guess

It's better if you block me, if you don't like seeing it I will not stop any time soon

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[thorny steeple]

The duality of Russia it seems like

[manic juniper]

Duality of Russia and Israel: everyone likes them unless they share a border

[thorny steeple]

That's so true, yeah till they're neighbors it's the opposite lmao

[thick thunder]

Who wants to help me learn English and I will help him learn Russian

[prisma cipher]

what about countries with which we have a border and no conflicts, and what about other large countries that have problems with their neighbors, this is every country in the European Union, for example. Also it's obviously country have conflicted with those who are their neighbors. Ask India about neighbors, or China or USA. Or turkey or Arab countries oh no they all bad relationship with neighbors

[manic juniper]

Which country in the EU invaded another EU country
Also yes I spoke badly about Turkey as well

And Morocco too, that's an Arab country

Morocco is the country I shittalked the most right after Russia

[prisma cipher]

there was a unification of the Soviet Union, and within the Soviet Union the countries did not fight. now there is a unification of the European Union. in the past the countries of the European Union fought among themselves endlessly, these are the French with Napoleon and Britain, a very rich history of wars between neighbors

[manic juniper]

Yeah what's the point of complaining about something that was bad in the past. Should I talk about Sweden colonising Finland, that's pointless in 2025

[rocky coyote]

countries in the soviet union didn't fight because they were completely under the central government's stringent equalization programs to the point of population transfers when many regions were encroached with famine

[prisma cipher]

You were talking about the Holodomor, which is the Soviet Union, and about the Finnish minorities in the Soviet Empire. That's the past.

[rocky coyote]

numerous enviromental spots in central asian countries never reeled properly from the deprivations caused by the Holodomor, if you're thinking of undermining those it won't work lol

[prisma cipher]

Unblocked

[rocky coyote]

?

[prisma cipher]

where did you get this information and what Holodomor are you talking about? and most importantly why don't I see any complaints from the peoples of Central Asia if they suffered by our fault.

[rocky coyote]

books? the dried up Kazakh river is a very well-documented aftermath of the event, along with intensified population transfers after the Soviet failed to balance NEP agriculture with resistance from the Kulaks.

[prisma cipher]

There are different books, Hitler wrote a book

[rocky coyote]

i'm very selective with my sources, mind you, and environmental repercussions of the Domor were among the most supplied and indisputable facts

[rocky coyote]

are you comparing documentations on the consequences of a mass famine to fucking Mein Kampf 😭

[prisma cipher]

Yes

I compare books

[rocky coyote]

you are irredeemable that's just insensitive

[prisma cipher]

New word for me

[manic juniper]

The war in Ukraine isn't the past ☠️

[prisma cipher]

But it will be

[prisma cipher]

Actually all mobile internet is off here because war, so I don't forget it going. Since I go for walk I will be off.

If interesting internet off because drone dangerous.

[thorny steeple]

It literally started in 2022!

[uncut tiger]

why does this dude speak like a baby

poor english makes you sound like a 3yo i guess...

[cinder quartz]

this bro thinks he knows a lot about Chechnya lol

[thorny steeple]

XD I only know of the wars that happened lol

[thorny steeple]

Who?

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cute-adorable-cat-gif-12064725

[prisma cipher]

Never said I know a lot. Не люблю, когда люди длдумывают за других.

[cinder quartz]

he uses the argument about Chechnya although he doesn't know the reasons for the war

[prisma cipher]

when people fight inside the Russia we call them freedom fighters. when people inside Ukraine start fighting we call them separatists. right?

[prisma cipher]

Извини, я думал ты это мне.

[thorny steeple]

Definitely but isn't Ukraine independent since 1991 or something

[thorny steeple]

Damn I forgot to state that part lmao

[prisma cipher]

No, war Ukraine with some regions in 2014.

Or you call those fighters for freedom from Ukraine? Doubt that

Ok I go, into is off fr

No double standard

[thorny steeple]

We call those 2014 regions separatists lol in the west

[prisma cipher]

Why you don't call like that Chechen?

Technically they officially in Russia but take weapon to fight it called separatists

It doesn't matter they right or wrong, it name what they do

[thorny steeple]

Wdymmm

[thorny steeple]

More like breakaway regions of Eastern Ukraine also who do you support Russia or Ukraine?

[prisma cipher]

I live here I support Russia, I don't understand why it started, but after it started, it only one good option for me. Loosing Ukraine don't bring any good.

[native mango]

Who is better Russia or America?

[prisma cipher]

Both, we kinda similar

[rocky coyote]

which era

[native mango]

Both of them is bad for me but America is worse

[native mango]

Today

[rocky coyote]

The US

[native mango]

Why

[prisma cipher]

It means you kinda agree, but what good for me doesn't mean good for others

[native mango]

Both of them killed innocent civilians but America killed much more

[prisma cipher]

Where are you from? Arabic?

[native mango]

Egypt

[native mango]

There is no Russian or American military intervention in Egypt.

[prisma cipher]

Good

[native mango]

but there is in iraq and Syria

[prisma cipher]

Bad

[native mango]

Russia just left Syria

Not at all

[prisma cipher]

But believe me I don't say I'm in super dangerous, but I live close to border, and I saw at Wednesday like drone was shooting down. So I understand what living close to unstable countries is.

[native mango]

For me there are three countries if they disappeared the world will be good place
America
Russia
France

[native mango]

Yeah I understand

[prisma cipher]

We still keep military bases but I think eventually we will leave but who knows.

[native mango]

Russia and America fight in middle east. and France is in Africa

[native mango]

I don't think leaving will make it better

People has to be more united

In middle east

[thorny steeple]

Understandable so getting the region back?

[manic juniper]

Yes, until then I will keep talking shit

[manic juniper]

Agreed

[thorny steeple]

XD so how's that bug you were studying/research on going?

[manic juniper]

Good, I was on field today

[high raven]

Can you make it four and add the UK

[manic juniper]

I found caterpillars and the beetles I was searching for

[thorny steeple]

Nice how was it?

[manic juniper]

Hot

[thorny steeple]

Which caterpillar species lol?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah summertime heat ain't no joke

[manic juniper]

I didn't stop for long to identify unfortunately since we were on a hurry in the forest

[thorny steeple]

Well that's quite the view, I must say

[manic juniper]

It looked like an hawk moth caterpillar

A sphinx of some kind

[thorny steeple]

Lol that's quite the description

[thorny steeple]

Is it illegal to fish in lake saiko? And does it have any fish?

[manic juniper]

It's legal with a permit, there seem to be pikes and basses

[native mango]

UK isn't that powerful today

[thorny steeple]

Nice ecosystem then, will you ever go fishing there?

[prisma cipher]

True

[night cedar]

Are all human beings truly equal?

[prisma cipher]

It depends of agreements

[thorny steeple]

Well then? @prisma cipher

[lusty zenith]

no. For example, I am better than you at everything

[prisma cipher]

It stupid no one is equal.

[prisma cipher]

At shitting himself

[lusty zenith]

that too

I am better at shitting himself

[thorny steeple]

True if that was the case there be no wars

[thorny steeple]

XD

[prisma cipher]

it is in our nature, we live in hierarchies. in the family, at work and at school. So no equality, but we also have brain, the brain subordinates all our instincts and habits, the brain dominates. and we need to strive for maximum equality of people in this world.

https://tenor.com/view/ussr-gif-19427265

Actually it USSR

Just give it different name, if you hate USSR for some reason

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[thorny steeple]

USSR 2.0

[uncut tiger]

are you better than him at staying honest

[prisma cipher]

No listen, people used to hate names they don't really understand what they hate, just take the same stuff but change name and they will love it. Or make cool idea and give it name USSR 2, they will hate.it has to be different name and colour, name AIassembly . And everyone will be wow it new stuff but it will be literally USSR 2

[lusty zenith]

yes of course

[thorny steeple]

XD so collective hate?

[civic reef]

man what you doing here lmfao

[lusty zenith]

I'm feeling serious today

[civic reef]

Noooo you must've drunk again

[thorny steeple]

How come lmao

[lusty zenith]

nah that's Sunday

[civic reef]

Fresh before work I see

[thorny steeple]

Then you're sober?

[lusty zenith]

for now. But I wish I had a bottle with me

[lusty zenith]

gonna get so drunk I go home naked

[prisma cipher]

No, human just stupid they reacting like animals at the name colour or taste

[thorny steeple]

Don't binge drink always take care of your liver

[civic reef]

Lmfao imagine you're riding this motorbike but you're naked. Peak humanity

[lusty zenith]

I actually have a pic of that. Lemme find it

[thorny steeple]

Have you ever crashed?

[lusty zenith]

almost

[lusty zenith]

I lost it :(

[thorny steeple]

Goodness take better precautions lmao

[thorny steeple]

That sucks 😕

[civic reef]

Lmfao there is no way you are actually sober right now

[uncut tiger]

what in the name of unemployment is going on

[prisma cipher]

My cat looks most serious when she is shitting

[lusty zenith]

you can tell by my typing. You know what my drunk texting looks like

[civic reef]

Ah yes I do

[thorny steeple]

A serious chat right @lusty zenith

[lusty zenith]

I seriously wish I was seriously drunk

maybe I will go buy a bottle tomorrow

[thorny steeple]

I seriously wish you didn't get too drunk

[supple sail]

Perfect?

[thorny steeple]

The cheap stuff eh?

[lusty zenith]

yeah they all taste the same to me lol

[lusty zenith]

near perfect

[uncut tiger]

are you new to drinking

[thorny steeple]

How's that even possible, you must have a perfectly balanced palette then

[supple sail]

Mh well stay safe my dear

[thorny steeple]

Do you drink?

[supple sail]

Nono

[lusty zenith]

yeah kinda. I'm more of a beer person, not wine

[lusty zenith]

I just have very neutral feelings about everything

[thorny steeple]

Same so no drinking and smoking eh?

[uncut tiger]

do you think its cool

do you drink for no reason at all?

[lusty zenith]

sometimes. It makes me funnier

[uncut tiger]

whats the motivation behind it

[supple sail]

Yes hahaha, i have heart problems so it's actually mortal for me HAHAA

[lusty zenith]

nahhh. Only when it's a special occasion with friends

I don't drink alone

[uncut tiger]

what does it taste like

I heard its bitter in taste

[thorny steeple]

XD so born with it?

[supple sail]

Yeah HAHAHA

At this point smoking or not is not even a choice

[thorny steeple]

Rare to find people like you ngl

[civic reef]

Would you drink with me in saigon

lmfao. I don't drink but, I'm asking

[lusty zenith]

yeah bitter. But it's an acquired taste. Beer gets yummier the more you drink it. For wine, I think it depends on the type and alcohol content. Red/white wine tastes sour, not too bitter. That's the only wine I can drink

[lusty zenith]

of course. You can get a lemon soda or something

[uncut tiger]

do you smoke too

[thorny steeple]

Yeah so ruled out, then how's any candy or spicy food?

[uncut tiger]

🚬

[thorny steeple]

Kimi are you a smoker?

[lusty zenith]

ew no

I hate smoking/smokers

[supple sail]

Well i can eat everything that i want but I can't tolerate too much sweet

[uncut tiger]

why eww on the ciggy and yayy on the beer

theyre both drugs

[lusty zenith]

my beer doesn't assault someone's nose

[thorny steeple]

Agreed

[uncut tiger]

smoke alone

[civic reef]

You like to f them

[uncut tiger]

what about vape

[lusty zenith]

and also it's supposed to be good for health. If done moderately

[civic reef]

Don't you. Of course of course

[thorny steeple]

Alright so what's your fav food?

[lusty zenith]

😨

[lusty zenith]

just an edgier version of smoking

[thorny steeple]

Even Kimi is like:

[supple sail]

Mhhh probably cliche for a italian girl but it's pizza haha

[civic reef]

this is debunked already, the best thing for health is to never even drink

[thorny steeple]

Hahaha nice, who doesn't love pizza

[supple sail]

YOU'RE SO RIGHTTT

What's your's???

[uncut tiger]

whats your fav flavor

[thorny steeple]

Liver failure when?

[lusty zenith]

okay yeah you're right. But I have poor self control so it's okay

[supple sail]

Did you know that in moroccan iblis means devil?

[uncut tiger]

here in pakistan we have chicken tikka pizza @supple sail

[thorny steeple]

Same I love pizza 🍕

[uncut tiger]

its the only flavor that the public likes

[supple sail]

Mhh gotta say pizza with french fries or pizza with kebab

[uncut tiger]

i mean pizza flavor

like margharita or smth else

[thorny steeple]

Certainly
https://youtu.be/6y8mFSQO6cI?si=rvIUNLrN3wuDHeuh
You're quite the smarty one

[supple sail]

Yes we call it patatosa and pizza-kebab

[thorny steeple]

How poor, it can't be that bad!?

[supple sail]

Hahahaha damnn, well guess you're more smart than me hahaha

[uncut tiger]

THIS?!

[thorny steeple]

Maybe 🤔, but you probably take the crown 👑

[lusty zenith]

you ask me to go out for a drink, 100% I will say yes

[uncut tiger]

is this the patatosa

[supple sail]

Patatosa yesss

THE KIDD PIZZA

[supple sail]

Yess

[lusty zenith]

come soon we can get some Hello Kitty smoothies

[thorny steeple]

Ay well

[supple sail]

Awww hihih thanksss

[thorny steeple]

You're welcome, so how's university going?

[uncut tiger]

this is the pakistan version of the pizza-kebab ig

its called behari kebab pizza

[thorny steeple]

Seems interesting 🤔

[uncut tiger]

the best one is the chicken tikka one

they put bbq chicken on it

[cloud stone]

bbq

[uncut tiger]

pepperoni isnt really much popular in here

[thorny steeple]

And BBQ sauce?

[uncut tiger]

we like fat meat cubes not stupid flat meat discs lol

[uncut tiger]

yea and like other sauces too

[civic reef]

I gotta get buff as f#ck so you can sit with this buff, jacked Slavic dude and drink cute hello kitty

[thorny steeple]

Nice quite the variety

[lusty zenith]

and carry me home afterward

[muted patio]

I m tired but i don't want to sleep

[bitter trellis]

I am learning English. Can we practice English together?
Anyone interested?

[shy summit]

Low key should ban for this culinary atrocity alone

[uncut tiger]

its just a slight modification to the original italian pizza-kebab

and its delicious as fuck

[shy summit]

Kebabs do not go on pizza 👊🏻

[uncut tiger]

Here they do

we call it football here

we eat pizza with chicken tikka here

we give ak47s to 5 year olds here

whatchyu gon abt it you liberal woke american

[lusty zenith]

hard.

[shy summit]

Flex why we have seven hundred and sixty billion reasons why you’re wrong 😭

[uncut tiger]

I don't get the 760B reference.

[prisma cipher]

Give me kebab and pizza and I eat it together, no problem

[tender vessel]

Italians may not be happy with this. Lol.

[prisma cipher]

Unblocked b..

I don't accept random friendship

Just in case

[uncut tiger]

what do you mean lol

[prisma cipher]

Damn wrong chat

[uncut tiger]

i showed it to an italian and he found it cool

[prisma cipher]

To many friend request for today

No idea why they want be my friends, but it's nice

[thorny steeple]

at first i didnt even know that was pizza...

[uncut tiger]

you dont have to

its our culture we are happy with the italian innovation in it

[thorny steeple]

niceee

[tender vessel]

I can still make fun of Minecraft, though.

[spice bobcat]

Now ik why you were hilarious. You're a grape

[uncut tiger]

Okay that meme is cliche now

[spice bobcat]

Grape.

[tender vessel]

Italians are pretty good-natured, man.

[uncut tiger]

Never met one in real life so no comment

[oblique juniper]

WA

[prisma cipher]

Don't care

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[prisma cipher]

https://youtu.be/2pHiv0CYMj0?si=LJi2s6vzYDeQkok9

Name of songs Egyptian

[eager geyser]

thats deep

[prisma cipher]

That band is epic ever here. If you heard big terrorist terract here year ago, it was at their concert.

[eager geyser]

k

[prisma cipher]

Yes isis infected terrorists not Russian, I believe they were Tajik

[turbid dome]

Literally 1984

[turbid dome]

The Moscow hall attack you mean?

[eager geyser]

i believe u

[uncut tiger]

What is that book about

[turbid dome]

Totalitarianism

[uncut tiger]

I think I should read it now that you've mentioned it

[turbid dome]

I was joking 😭

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[fringe creek]

the digital restrictions and slavery is so near
i believe

[uncut tiger]

Oh lol

Is it a good read tho

[turbid dome]

Ahh yeah I know someone whose best friend was there, it was quite bad

[uncut tiger]

You've read it right

[turbid dome]

Nah

[turbid dome]

I have, I’d say it’s not my favorite tbh. Out of Orwell’s books I only like animal farm

[uncut tiger]

The one in which animals are used to depict society

[turbid dome]

Yes

[uncut tiger]

?

[turbid dome]

While I don’t like 1984 it’s still probably a relevant read

[turbid dome]

Goated book

[fringe creek]

who are in power of the world !

[uncut tiger]

Idk man your taste might be different

[turbid dome]

Why do you say that

[fringe creek]

who fund wars ?

[uncut tiger]

Isn't it true

[turbid dome]

Yeah but whyyyyy

[uncut tiger]

The fuck you mean why

People are different it's just life

[turbid dome]

No we must all be the same embrace uniformity

You are Turkmen now too

You also love reptiles

[uncut tiger]

Hand me my American visa then bish

[turbid dome]

You would get deported on arrival 😭

[uncut tiger]

Yes exactly the prejudice

We are not same and racism is a natural phenomenon

[turbid dome]

Racism isn’t a natural phenomenon but born out of material necessities of the ruling class

[uncut tiger]

Do you act more like yourself with family or with strangers?

[turbid dome]

For example African slaves in the US didn’t used to be discriminated against on the color of their skin… they were discriminated against as non Christians so when they began converting and asking for freedom race science and racism was created to keep them enslaved

[turbid dome]

Neither

I stick to myself

[uncut tiger]

Oh sorry american ppl have family problems

I forgot my bad

[turbid dome]

lol

[uncut tiger]

Y'all don't even look after your old parents

[turbid dome]

Why would I

[uncut tiger]

I had to work in a call center to do funeral arrangements for y'all's about to die parents

[turbid dome]

Rip

[uncut tiger]

They raised you

[mortal isle]

Hello, I'm looking for a speaking partner for ielts preparation B2-C1 in DM

[turbid dome]

I didn’t ask to be born and not starving me when they created me isn’t an accomplishment

[uncut tiger]

You're alive literally because of them

You should be thankful

If not then just do suicide

[turbid dome]

I’ve tried before

[thorny steeple]

Don't be so harsh

[turbid dome]

I don’t think life has an inherent value

[eager geyser]

dexter can help u

[uncut tiger]

oh sorry i also forgot that american people have mental problems too

sorry my bad

[turbid dome]

Lmaoooo

[uncut tiger]

im gonna get a huge culture shock once i reach america

you should train me for it beforehand

[thorny steeple]

its weird in my opinion as an american

[turbid dome]

Ok so

step 1: do white face so you can enter the country, alternatively get an H1B visa so Elon can exploit you.

Step 2: Realize that the food will make you feel sick from all the added preservatives and all that, that should be normal (after re-entering the country I always feel bad eating).

Step 3: make sure not to wear a Yankees cap in the wrong parts of the country

[uncut tiger]

american culture is weird for you as an american?

[thorny steeple]

yup, bc there are like 15 different things you could ever possibly find

[uncut tiger]

didnt you cope with it eventually

u literally grew there

[uncut tiger]

my skin is white, will i still face racism?

[thorny steeple]

no i still hate it here and i live in florida where i was raised by like 25 different cultures bc of ppl

[uncut tiger]

and how is the food a problem

[turbid dome]

Potentially

[uncut tiger]

i love burritos and tacos

and hamburgers and nachos

[turbid dome]

See we have lower food quality standards so companies realize the use of chemicals and preservatives in food can increase profit margins

[thorny steeple]

it tends to not taste like the food where it originated from, and we also add more ingredients than most countries

[uncut tiger]

i still want to come

[thorny steeple]

if you do come, dont come during the summer time because that is when many states will break their last hottest temp record

like here in florida we got so hot that people advise others to stay indoors and not go outside

[uncut tiger]

tell me the temp

but pls convert into celsius

[thorny steeple]

idek how to convert to celsius-

[eager geyser]

nothing is so serious

[uncut tiger]

average american education

[placid parrot]

I'm serious

[eager geyser]

why would sushi even lie

[high raven]

Good evening my fellow Zionists

[latent scroll]

Hlo ppl

[latent scroll]

well evening

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

💀

yeah they never rlly taught us that

[dapper pier]

What means "serious chat"

[glossy ether]

SANNAAA

got rejected for idf training 😔

[tender vessel]

That's good news.

[tender vessel]

I like how nobody even considers the Israeli occupation a country.

[tender vessel]

Lol. Are you trying to fill the gap the Chinese guy's absence left?

[high raven]

Would you be interested in Hezbollah?

[high raven]

Just baiting, was trying to see if there were any yahoodis around

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[glossy ether]

what’s the risk reward ratio looking like

[tender vessel]

Well, seems like you've got one... Probably. xD
#🧠｜serious-chat message

[dense agate]

they only rejected her because she doesn't need training, she went directly to the front lines

[high raven]

You instantly become a billionaire in Lebanese lira, the risk is becoming Shia

[dense agate]

no risks, you get a free pager. you're basically winning

[prisma cipher]

It was you?

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-insect-bug-evil-plot-gif-5650927

[prisma cipher]

Go chill

[dense agate]

huh? are you talking about the pagers?

[tender vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/anais-molesta-anais-meme-anais-el-increíble-mundo-de-gumball-anais-angry-anais-soy-esa-gif-13333326772420835051

[prisma cipher]

I talking about warning

[tender vessel]

It's bad news then.

[dense agate]

I just got here pale

[glossy ether]

and a sunny holiday? sign me up

[dense agate]

no, she sends me top tier weapons

[tender vessel]

Do you live in the US?

[glossy ether]

let’s goooo

[prisma cipher]

My bad, sorry for wrong accusations

[dense agate]

the land of the chosen

[glossy ether]

my kda rn is 10/0/5

still in bronze

[dense agate]

hahaha

[dense agate]

more airstrikes then

[tender vessel]

What's that? Palestine?

[glossy ether]

they werent chosen 4000 years ago though

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-emoji-smiley-question-mark-confuse-gif-14650752829042982335

[tender vessel]

Lol. Spit it out.

[high raven]

Brooklyn if he's Jewish

Or Stamford Hills

[glossy ether]

https://tenor.com/view/jew-spit-gif-11704600771186371292

[tender vessel]

Yeah, they only lived on it for over 4000 years, they don't have a claim. Lol.

[tender vessel]

Probably.

[tender vessel]

What is this guy putting in his mouth?

[high raven]

Wrigley's gum after metzitzah bpeh

[tender vessel]

LMFAO!

Do you teach sales?

Nice, good luck. ✨

Wanted to make sure it's not a bot.

I'm a programmer.

I build stuff. Programs.

Mainly web and mobile.

[manic juniper]

What did she sell

[high raven]

@winter echo It's not that different from the Bible, it can feel pretty harsh and strict, rejecting key Christian beliefs like Jesus being divine and his resurrection, and sometimes its stories don’t match up with what we know from the Bible, for example, some prophets’ stories are told differently. But I also saw that it strongly stresses the oneness of God and encourages living morally and helping those in need, so even with these differences, both the Quran and the Bible call people to trust God and show kindness to others. It’s not really better or worse than the Bible, it's just a different way of looking at faith, and I think reading the sacred texts of other religions is important, both to test your own beliefs and to understand others better

Also, it was fun to notice that Isa is named more often than Mohammed, and that, unless I'm mistaken, Maryam was the only woman named

[turbid dome]

One thing i always find funny about Islam is it’s emphasis on submitting to god as if every other faith also doesn’t ask you to do that lmao

[high raven]

It's very, very central in Islam, the entire faith is more or less built around that core concept

[winter echo]

The quran is an update of the bible but I know you won't agree

[manic juniper]

Isn't an update supposed to keep the same features and content instead of removing it

[high raven]

If it were an update, it wouldn’t delete the main character

[turbid dome]

Yeah, though it’s not like Christianity or Judaism don’t say to obey and serve god lol

[manic juniper]

Whichever gods allowed Egypt's borders to look like a snake have to be the best gods

[turbid dome]

But what about the gods that made Croatia look like a crocodiles mouth

[manic juniper]

Gods of genocide?

More like ethnic cleansing

[turbid dome]

Aren’t all of them genocidal?

[manic juniper]

Yugogods

[turbid dome]

Yugogodnia

[manic juniper]

Not all, Zeus did nothing wrong

Literally fugged some guy's wife because he wasn't hospitable like a Greek

Deserved

[turbid dome]

Pretty sure he definitely did some morally questionable thinfs

[high raven]

They do, it's just different vibes though, Christianity is about loving God and walking with Him, Judaism is about the covenant and staying true to tradition, Islam's starting point is total submission to God and nothing else

Islam itself means submission

Vibes are important to a religion

[turbid dome]

Yeah ig that’s all it is lol

[manic juniper]

Most of them justified

Lmao just treat guests well

[winter echo]

Some of the original text were altered
As evident by the difference between the world and new testament

[turbid dome]

Lololll

[manic juniper]

Bruh they're supposed to be different stories

That's like saying Harry Potter was altered because it has sequels

[turbid dome]

The chamber of secrets is not original to the sorcerers stone

[high raven]

Damn bank goblins bought the media

[manic juniper]

The Enoch trilogy is goated

The third one is more like a spin-off while the second is a good remastered

[winter echo]

Who made that call?

[manic juniper]

Idk Jews and Greeks?

[winter echo]

See the problem
That's why there's many contradictions in the bible.
No one can say with degree of certainty the bible have not been altered

[high raven]

Ironically, the Quran alters the story too, by denying Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection

[manic juniper]

Do you know who wrote the Quran

[winter echo]

it's the true version of the story
Nothing is altered

[high raven]

😭

[manic juniper]

Sure if you remove 95% of it it's the unaltered version of the 5% that isn't even part of the Bible

[winter echo]

It was compiled during the caliphate of uthman
But before then it was mainly passed through the word of mouth

[manic juniper]

Ok so who wrote it

I guess the answer is similar, it was just some Arabs but we don't know who exactly

[winter echo]

Not some random arabs there are the 4 rightly guided caliphs

[manic juniper]

Did they write it then

Was it signed by each of them

[high raven]

Abu Bakr, Umar, Utham and Ali didn't write the Quran

They just compiled it

[manic juniper]

Yeah I never heard of this fact

[high raven]

No one knows who wrote it down after it was revealed to the prophet

[winter echo]

Not All of them the compilation of the quran started while the the prophet was alive and caliph uthman completed the compilation

[manic juniper]

I never heard of this before, I thought they just compiled it, and didn't write it

[winter echo]

Before it was compiled people mostly memorize it by cramming, the compilation has done because of the fear that the quran might be lost after one bloody battle which claimed the lives of many quran scholars

[high raven]

The compilation didn't start until after the prophets death, when it was called to be done by abu Bakr, I think you're talking about the verses written by the prophets scribes, like Zayd

[winter echo]

Not really when the prophet receive revelation theres the companions who's job is to write it down

[high raven]

Yes, scribes

Like Zayd ibn Thabit

[winter echo]

That's the earliest stage of the compilation

[manic juniper]

In short we don't know who wrote them

The Bible(s) was compiled as well, we don't know who wrote most of the books

[winter echo]

We know

[manic juniper]

We know who compiled many of the early Bibles

[manic juniper]

Do tell

[winter echo]

But not all

[manic juniper]

The other Bibles aren't considered canonical or exist anymore

Isn't this the same as the Qurans that were destroyed because they didn't adhere with the standard

Who compiled those? Do we know?

[winter echo]

You see there's one universal quran every where you go
but the bible contains many books which are updated every few years

@manic juniper and you would never find anything contradictory in the quran
Unlike the bible where Jesus will say this and Peter will say some else

[high raven]

The "many books" are mostly translation differences, none of them differ in the core message or the stories as told

[manic juniper]

I thought the point of the Uthmanic codex was destroying the other Qurans

[high raven]

I have an original one, in Aramaic, in my living room

[manic juniper]

Maybe but it contradicts reality, anyone can write a book that is consistent

[high raven]

The Bible and the Quran aside, you should read the Ginza Rabba too, very interesting book and an even more interesting religion

[winter echo]

Infact Allah challenge anyone who thinks he can copy the quran to produce even a single verse like it

[manic juniper]

I heard many Arabs say it's not that special

[winter echo]

Can you track the chain of transmission?

[winter echo]

They challenge was made 1400 years ago up no have successfully produce a single verse like the quran

[manic juniper]

Wouldn't that be considered plagiarism

[tender vessel]

Hmmm. Islam doesn't claim submission is not an element in other faiths, where do you get that from?

[turbid dome]

I didn’t say it claims that, I claim it’s funny as the emphasis on submission is in every religion

Or almost every religion

[tender vessel]

Are you a Christian? Just curious.

[thorny steeple]

Should I start typing in this channel
I want to be weirdo

[high raven]

You can actually, the Peshitta Old Testament can be traced back to between 1st and 2nd century CE, and so, too, does the New Testament

[tender vessel]

Ah, I don't see why it's funny. Submission is a core concept in Islam, yes. Other faiths may also demand submission, yes.

[high raven]

Yes, Syriac Orthodox, I'm against Zionism and Catholicism

[turbid dome]

It’s like saying believing in god is a core component of a faith, like duh.

[manic juniper]

What do you not like about Catholicism

Is it the papal infallibility

[winter echo]

From 300 years After jesus assended?

[manic juniper]

1st century is during the same century he died

So less than 100 years

[winter echo]

If you think you can do it go ahead

[manic juniper]

I don't speak Arabic

[winter echo]

How many to be exact?

[manic juniper]

I could say the same about Balto-Finnic poetry, I never seen anyone else replicate those tales in Kalevan key just as well

[winter echo]

You can always learn?

[manic juniper]

I'm not the one who made the claim, I just explained to you what 1st and 2nd century means

[manic juniper]

I'm not a linguist or interested in learning it

[high raven]

Yes, also the centralised authority, confession to priests, the original sin and more

[manic juniper]

Isn't the original sin also why some Catholics believe in limbo?

[high raven]

Yes, textual transmissions, the earliest surviving, complete, Peshetta is from the 5th century if I'm not mistaken

[tender vessel]

It's more than that. It's deeper.
Submission in Islam implies obeying God alone, no intermediaries, no fathers or priests. It's way different than submission in Christianity which is voluntary. Christianity's core belief is Jesus the Son and savior, submission is just a form of devotion and love, not an obligation.

[thorny steeple]

Why don't you believe in original sin

[turbid dome]

My point is it’s a really funny value to make core to the religion

[tender vessel]

It's only funny if one doesn't really understand what it means.

[winter echo]

You know believing In the scriptures is one of the core articles of faith in islam.
The scriptures consists of Quran The Injil (bible), taurah, zabur and other thousands scriptures

[turbid dome]

That makes it more funny imo

[high raven]

The Bible doesn't teach that humans are born guilty, we inherit fallen nature, not guilt

[manic juniper]

I thought you just had the Quran and the hadiths and nothing else, because there are no Islamic editions of the Bible

If you say something is corrupted but have no source to back it up then what's the point

[winter echo]

You are starting to understand what mean

[winter echo]

The Quran contains all the scriptures

[high raven]

No

[manic juniper]

Isn't it less than 1/20 of the length of the Bible

Compression superior to .7z

[winter echo]

Try reading both together from cover to cover

[manic juniper]

I read the Bible, didn't like most of it

[winter echo]

Okay so what is you don't agree on?

[manic juniper]

Doesn't the Quran have even less narrative than it

It sounds like a worse experience to read

[high raven]

I'm not even sure at this point, you're asking questions and I'm answering them, I'm not sure what your point is

You asked about the continuation of my bible

It's more solid than the Quran

[winter echo]

I wouldn't say anything for now just try reading it

[manic juniper]

Isn't it supposed to be read in Arabic

[winter echo]

Yeah we are talking about the chains of transmission

[manic juniper]

What you're suggesting is heretical, why so many Muslims suggest reading translations if it's forbidden

[tender vessel]

I'm curious. Do you have any religious affiliation?

[turbid dome]

Nope

[winter echo]

People prefer reading it In arabic because there's certain sounds that other languages don't have, but you can read the english translation

[manic juniper]

Many languages have sounds other languages don't have

[tender vessel]

It's based on the religion itself. If you're a Muslim you'd believe the author himself is the source.

i.e., Allah.

[manic juniper]

Yes but there are no "uncorrupted" versions around

[winter echo]

The quran can be tracked from the very first person who have crammed it to the the first person who have record the one who compiled it up to this day without a single alteration

[manic juniper]

You can't say something is corrupted and provide no alternative

[winter echo]

Try finding the corrupted version good luck

[manic juniper]

Burden of proof isn't on me

Besides I don't think the Bible is specially corrupted or uncorrupted, I'm not even Christian

[winter echo]

It's not forbidden but discouraged

[tender vessel]

Yes. The Torah and Injeel referred to in Islam are not the same ones existing today. The Qur'an is the ultimate authority above previous Scriptures (Qur'an 5:48), and therefore, we don't need them.

[high raven]

The Peshitta Old Testament was translated from Hebrew into Syriac around the late 1st or early 2nd century CE, the New Testament part was put together from Greek texts in the late 2nd or early 3rd century, though it left out a few books at first. The oldest full copies we have are from the 5th century

[manic juniper]

Understood, but I feel like sending them was a waste of time in the first place

Why would you communicate sacred scriptures that are functionally religious lost media, and obsolete too

[tender vessel]

They were meant for certain people in certain eras.

[winter echo]

Names who did what, pass it on to who for safeguarding etc?
And the original compiled copy? And the dates

[high raven]

They're well-documented manuscripts and translations, they're google-able, they didn't rely on oral tradition and later standardisation unlike the Quran, so the track-record is there for you to look up

[winter echo]

What about the few books that were left first?

[high raven]

Those books weren’t included at first because early Syriac Christians weren’t sure why or if they really belonged, but they got added later on, around the 5th century, once the church agreed they were part of the Bible

[winter echo]

How long did it take before the were added
From when they were first compiled?

[high raven]

200 years or so

[winter echo]

Verifying their Authenticity will be be hard, after such a long time 200 years is a lot

[tender vessel]

Actually there are manuscripts for the Qur'an as well. e.g., Birmingham Quran manuscript. It was written in between the life of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions.
It's actually the exact same Quran transmitted by the oral tradition and recited today.

[high raven]

Not at all, early Christian texts and teachings were carefully preserved and passed down. It took far less time to standardise the Quran because it relied more on oral tradition and less manuscript evidence

[high raven]

The Birmingham manuscript is just a tiny fragment though, the Peshitta, on the other hand, has centuries of manuscripts and a clear translation history, giving it way more solid evidence behind its transmission

[cobalt ingot]

Shalom mfka's

[turbid dome]

Isn’t it literally 2 pages

[high raven]

I think you might be right

I'm not sure, I just remember it being very short

[turbid dome]

Yeah seems to be 2

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-way-gif-24547692

[tender vessel]

I'm just showing that the oral tradition is practically accurate. However, the oral tradition doesn't really need a proof as its a very solid and objective way of preservation. I recommend you have a deeper look at how it works.

[cobalt ingot]

Wdym no

Fight me im trained in skibidi martial arts

[tender vessel]

4 pages.

[high raven]

Abdul asked about documented manuscript evidence though, and on that, the Peshitta clearly has more solid, traceable proof than the Quran

[winter echo]

@high raven Explain this.
No original autographs (written ~50–100 CE) survive, and the gap between autographs and earliest copies (50–100 years) introduces potential for early scribal errors. Some variants, like the longer ending of Mark (16:9–20) or the Pericope Adulterae (John 7:53–8:11), are significant but rare. Before ~125 CE, we rely on quotes in early Church Fathers (e.g., Ignatius, ~110 CE) and oral traditions, which are less concrete and could involve minor variations.

[solemn frost]

John 7:53-8:11 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

The Woman Caught in Adultery

<53> They went each to his own house, <8:1> but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. <2> Early in the morning he came again to the temple; all the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. <3> The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst <4> they said to him," Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. <5> Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such. What do you say about her?" <6> This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. <7> And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them," Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her." <8> And once more he bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. <9> But when they heard it, they went away, one by one, beginning with the eldest, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. <10> Jesus looked up and said to her," Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" <11> She said," No one, Lord." And Jesus said," Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin again."

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[high raven]

First off, you've shifted the conversation from the Peshitta to the Bible in general. To answer your question though, we have thousands of Bible manuscripts from different times and places to compare and fix errors, while the Quran’s early manuscripts are fewer and rely more on oral tradition

[tender vessel]

Yes. The Qur'an's main preservation mechanism is the oral tradition. Having some manuscripts to confirm the accuracy and objectivity of it is nice but not mandatory.

[winter echo]

You said I can find the chain of transmission on google and that's what I found

[winter echo]

I am talking about the bible In general, and what found is part of it

[turbid dome]

Right well they made claims about the peshitta so that’s not the most relevant

[winter echo]

Is it not part of the bible?

[high raven]

But we were talking about...

[turbid dome]

No, it’s a specific version of the Bible

[high raven]

[tender vessel]

By the way, you've got also Topkapı manuscript, which is a nearly full Quran (only 2 pages missing). The Sanaa Quran manuscript is another example, but it's a fragment as well.
However, they all confirm exactly the currently recited Quran that was essentially transmitted via the oral tradition.

[cobalt ingot]

What is all this yapachinu

[turbid dome]

If I say “this version of this book is x” and you say “no because this book in general is y” then you have just ignored literally everything

[turbid dome]

That’s interesting

[winter echo]

This is kind of complicated
Can you explain?

[winter echo]

Is your 🧠 freezing?

[high raven]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[turbid dome]

It someone makes a claim about the specifics of a version of something “the page color of this version of this book is yellow” and you bring a generalization “but most versions of this book have white pages” you haven’t actually made a contention, you just brought up an irrelevant point.

[winter echo]

You were about to say something but then you didn't

[high raven]

Not really no

[winter echo]

What version? I never know the scripture are supposed to have many versions.
why can't it be in the original form like the Quran?

[winter echo]

Go on then, I'm all hears

[turbid dome]

The peshitta (Syrian orthodox)

Also there are different versions of the Quran

[winter echo]

Is it part of the bible or not?

[turbid dome]

It’s a Bible. Version

[winter echo]

Only one version of the Quran, but different recitation styles

[turbid dome]

There’s non Arabic versions which can never be translated 1:1

[winter echo]

Where did you hear that?

[manic juniper]

Ever heard of Atatürk

[turbid dome]

It’s literally available online, and languages can very rarely be translate 1:1

[thorny steeple]

Have any of you guys ever taken the Raven Matrices test

[winter echo]

That's a news to me

[wide skiff]

You are talking about the Google translater?

[turbid dome]

No I’m talking about the Quran translated in book form

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atatürk's_reforms

[winter echo]

Give the name?

[turbid dome]

There’s thousands lol,

https://quran.com/fr

theres the Quran translated to French

You can translate it to pretty much any language imaginable

And obviously it can never be 1:1 with original Arabic

[winter echo]

It's not a standalone didn't you see the arabic text on the side?

[turbid dome]

Yes that’s an example, you can buy books with no Arabic

[winter echo]

Name just one

[turbid dome]

https://www.clearquran.com/downloads/quran-english-translation-clearquran-edition-allah.pdf

There’s one without any Arabic writing

[tender vessel]

What are you guys talking about?

[manic juniper]

https://www.allahsword.com/qt/Turkish-Quran.pdf

[turbid dome]

If the Quran has multiple versions

[tender vessel]

What is exactly meant by versions? It has multiple Qira'at (readings or recitations).

[turbid dome]

Any textual differences (such as translating from Arabic to English may slightly change some meanings)

[peak summit]

This true

[winter echo]

That's just a translation, what about it?

[tender vessel]

Translations of the Qur'an are not versions. There is only one Qur'an revealed in Islam, which in exclusively in Arabic.
The words used in the Qur'an are believed by Muslims to be exactly Allah's words, translations are merely means to explain the meaning of these Arabic words as accurately as the translators can offer.

[winter echo]

He's bringing translations

[turbid dome]

Translations are never fully able to encapsulate the original meaning

[turbid dome]

Whatever you want to call it a translation is a type of version.

[winter echo]

@tender vessel please handle this I'm feeling sleepy

[tender vessel]

I'm not sure where do you wanna go with this 'version' claim. If you mean that these translations are holy or sacred, they are not. The original Qur'an (Arabic) is the only sacred one as it's the exact words of Allah.

[turbid dome]

Pretty sure that’s why reading the original Arabic is encouraged because it’s acknowledged that it’s not the same

[turbid dome]

No I’m just saying there’s different versions, not making a claim on if they’re holy

[tender vessel]

Alright then. We could say we've got versions of the translations of the Qur'an, yes.

[winter echo]

You should know the difference of translation and transliteration first, before we continue

[turbid dome]

I do, transliteration would be if I were to write my name in another language.

Martin > Marcin

Translation is translating meaning.

I’m not quite sure why this is relevant

[winter echo]

@turbid dome If it was transliterated that's a different issue, but translation is just an explanation In another language, no meaning lost here

[turbid dome]

Translations can never be fully accurate though. It’s why we come across little oddities in other languages. While the overall meaning may not be lost specific parts may be translated differently as translations can differ, this can lead to variations on meaning

[winter echo]

Just saying God In english and Allah in arabic

[turbid dome]

This is why it’s encouraged to read the original Arabic

[turbid dome]

One word per language isn’t representative lol

There’s like a bajillion ways to say camel in Arabic as an example

[tender vessel]

Actually, translation can result to losing some meanings, especially when translating Qur'an. A common example is the word "تقوى" (Taqwa), it may be translated to "fear of God" but actually its Arabic meaning is layered. It means fear, love, awareness, and restraint.

[manic juniper]

Translate "umpimähkä" in any language other than Finnish

[winged hare]

👀

[winter echo]

Okay

[winter echo]

I understand, now let's get back to the issue

[tender vessel]

Fun fact: God is actually a male noun, 'Goddess' would be the female version. While Allah does not imply any specific gender in Arabic and does not have any male or female version. It's also grammatically not possible to either masculinize (modify it to be a male noun) or feminize (modify it to be a female noun) the word Allah, if that makes sense.

That's why I prefer to use the word Allah. It's more accurate.

[manic juniper]

اللات

[austere bolt]

Why do you think a 'God' exists?

[tender vessel]

That's the name of one of the idols used to be worshiped by pre-Islamic pagan Arabs.

It's not a feminization of the word Allah.

[manic juniper]

Yes, there was another named after Allah too

[tender vessel]

اللات والعزى

[olive herald]

heyy skylanders girllll

[tender vessel]

What?

[manic juniper]

She's the daughter of Allah and has two other sisters

[manic juniper]

Helou

[olive herald]

hehehe hru

[tender vessel]

Where is the feminization of the word Allah? I don't understand.

[manic juniper]

Wiktionary lists two possible etymologies, one simply is the female counterpart of Allah