🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

Thought so

That and Switzerland

[sharp creek]

omg so in switzerland , thats true

[manic juniper]

Because Finland is the poorest Nordic country per capita
Also not all northern European countries are rich, Estonia is average, Lithuania is below average, and Latvia sucks

It is, they give you a box to live in if you are homeless

[sharp creek]

hmm box, a package?

[manic juniper]

It's a small house shaped like a big box

[sharp creek]

[manic juniper]

It's better than freezing outside isn't it

[sharp creek]

its really good i think

[formal pilot]

I disagree (disrespectfully)

[sweet wolf]

Hero

[fresh flower]

I disagree with your disagreeing (Ethnic slur)

BRO STALKINF ME

[sweet wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347

[dapper laurel]

Yes, the government helps those who don't want to work using the money of ordinary citizens, this is why taxes are a fraud

[past tangle]

Hello guys

[languid frost]

Hi

[past tangle]

How are you

[hidden shore]

You should say hi to me

[past tangle]

You are the girl who I talked to her Yesterday right

[hidden shore]

Is there a lot of homeless people in Finland?

[languid frost]

Good wbuu

[hidden shore]

Impressive

[languid frost]

You didn't say hi

[past tangle]

Good too

[past tangle]

Yeah

[hidden shore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/407041145118392321/1220711890259542107/ezgif-1-3a89a1332f.gif

[uncut tiger]

hey chat

[languid frost]

When ,i don't remember
You mean who introduce you to 2beez??

[uncut tiger]

I am here for escapism

[languid frost]

Hi

[past tangle]

Yeah

[languid frost]

Yes it's me
But i don't remember if it's yesterday tbh

[uncut tiger]

thats me

my spoken is bad so i gotta lock in for IELTS

[past tangle]

No it was yesterday you introduced 2beez to me yesterday

[past tangle]

That guy who hate everyone and say bad words to them
When he is in vc

[languid frost]

I see

[past tangle]

Do you know if you see that means you have eyes

Thats cool right

It’s unbelievable

[manic juniper]

I never met one
https://www.varke.fi/en/node/8/homelessness/homeless-people-2023

[past tangle]

[uncut tiger]

I see is just an expression

I use it all the time

Sometimes serious chat is not in its serious spirit @manic juniper dont u agree

[past tangle]

I agree with it

[languid frost]

Really didn't know that frfr

[past tangle]

[formal pilot]

I can fix it

[hidden shore]

Finland good country, i hope i can live there for a while usually in the winter and ride a deer

[formal pilot]

In the middle east they ride sheep

[coral belfry]

great!

[coral belfry]

it was socialism not communism ):
i am very disappointed

[coral belfry]

no
they either ride donkeys or mules

[winter echo]

The richest continent

[sharp creek]

!!!

[formal pilot]

It was a joke 😭

[manic juniper]

Thanks for proving that you couldn't even bother to read

[winter echo]

Well people see only what they want to see.
Just like you refuse to believe there's a genocide in dombass

@manic juniper what happened to the article I want to cross check something but it's down

[manic juniper]

Which one

[winter echo]

The written on the homeless people

[manic juniper]

I can see it just fine

[hidden shore]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSB3PmKoM/

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[winter echo]

Wtf i thought i saw 380000

[last tiger]

I read somewhere about educational system in Finland and how good it is. To be honest I'm impressed how they treat their pupils. I'd say this alone can be a proof that this country is good enough

[manic juniper]

They made so many cuts to the system that it's not the same anymore outside of tertiary education

Probably still top 10 but not first as it used to be

[thorny steeple]

Can i join?

[last tiger]

That's a shame before it was definitely in top 5 or 3

[last tiger]

I don't think you should ask to join in any kind of discussion here

[thorny steeple]

Nah i mean you both

[last tiger]

Sure I guess. Personally I myself just joined a few seconds ago

Although there is not much to discuss as I can see for now

[thorny steeple]

Oh that's cool

[thorny steeple]

Average quality in Europe decayed a lot after COVID too, Estonia led the PISA some years ago

[turbid dome]

This seems totally legit and not a scam

Jk it’s a scam

[thorny steeple]

Unfortunately I'm not from any of these places, can i use a vpn mr scammer?

[winter echo]

@manic juniper you seemed to be proud of your country.
Why don't you tell me things
About your country like the weather, the people, how they live their lives, the foods and culture?

[manic juniper]

I'm not very patriotic

[winter echo]

F:cking scammer
You should be ashamed

[static pivot]

!ban @vapid surge scammer.

[crisp token]

Banned pfabygo

[static pivot]

!ban @glacial jacinth Trading/crypto scam

[crisp token]

Banned rogan0066

[winter echo]

I don't get that feeling from you

[thorny steeple]

Carl is a bit?

Bot*

[winter echo]

Wow so fast

[manic juniper]

Weird

[turbid dome]

Why would you think she’s patriotic

[winter echo]

Based on my interactions with her

[turbid dome]

Ahh alright lol

[topaz dome]

Hey

[last tiger]

I'd say being patriotic isn't something you should be proud of. Most ot the time patriotism exist to help the government to control people easier

In some cases it's alright but there so many countries where you'll never find as many advantages as you'd like so being patriotic there is like living in your own little fantasy

[coral belfry]

how would a nation state exist without patriotism or nationalism

[last tiger]

It depends if in your country there is no hope for a better life and you simply can't be proud of what's happening around you then why would you ever like this place? Just because you were born here so you are obligated to be a patriot and give your all for this country? I'd say it's not the best choice so what I'm saying is that we always have to take into account if things were improved and can see some bright future or at least a glimpse of that. But if not well there is no reason to love something which is about to collapse at any moment

Besides in 21 century I believe people are free to choose where they want to live ant who they want to be

[manic juniper]

It wouldn't be a nation state

[thorny steeple]

It couldn't

[coral belfry]

yes
but
without a unity ,something bad could happen to the state

https://tenor.com/view/no-empire-lasts-forever-austria-hungary-austria-hungary-empire-gif-11585381

[last tiger]

Nationalism itself shouldn't even exist. I saw people who claimed to be nationalists and they weren't most prominent part of the society to say the least

[manic juniper]

They can have unity without the need of being the same nation

[manic juniper]

As a ultranationalist myself I agree with this

[turbid dome]

Well the people who claim to be nationalists are often on the more extreme end. Most people use “patriotism” instead of nationalism when really they mean nationalism

[turbid dome]

You’re the good type of ultranationalist though, as you don’t believe in human nationalism

[manic juniper]

True, and ultranationalism and extremism is always good when it comes to reptiles

[turbid dome]

Unless it’s extreme anti reptile sentiment

[coral belfry]

19th century empires don't agree with that

[manic juniper]

Skill issue on their part, Switzerland and Belgium did just fine

[peak summit]

Is a dolphin considered a fish?

[fringe temple]

It's a bird I think 🤔

[manic juniper]

Not by most but it's a fish

[brisk mango]

Walter black is typing
Gulp

[tranquil vault]

How would it be a fish if most people don't consider it to be one?

[winter echo]

What is?

[manic juniper]

It's a fish by descent, look up Rhipidistia

[peak summit]

So it's not a mammal?

[manic juniper]

It's a mammal, but mammals are fishes

[brisk mango]

I personally think it's a dolphin

[tranquil vault]

Wtf is that sentence

I felt like I'm having a seizure reading it lol

[manic juniper]

It means "of the shape of a lunged four limbed being"

Actually idk the meaning of dipnoi

[peak summit]

Fish breathe through gills.

[manic juniper]

not all, many have lungs

Look up lungfish

[thorny steeple]

Many have lungs

[manic juniper]

Gills aren't exclusive to fishes either, some adult salamanders have them

[peak summit]

Yes I know

[thorny steeple]

Aren't salamanders amphibian

[manic juniper]

Yes but amphibians are fishes as well, since they too are classified within Rhipidistia

[thorny steeple]

Ohhhh niceee

[formal pilot]

Self promotion is prohibited without permission

[winter echo]

Another scammer

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/sunday-blessings-gif-4750756412998316339

[turbid dome]

Or to hate the sun, I want this to be moonday

[feral river]

who just awaken the supreme leader

[latent marlin]

Or a day to procrastinate cause tomorrow is monday again and I didn’t anything on Saturday 😂

Jk

[feral river]

idk what im gonna say but

Hail the Supreme Leader
🇮🇱 Benjamin Netanyahu

Long Live the War on Terror 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇫🇷

[sharp creek]

you looks like a completely criminal

[coral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/self-control-type-bark-woof-gif-9489710035771535173

[sharp creek]

bad guy

[latent marlin]

What made me look like a bad guy? Haha

[sharp creek]

what i dont know you just look like a scammer

[latent marlin]

Lol it’s Megan Fox

Megan Fox looks like a scammer?

The only crime I can do is stealing your heart

Hahah jk

[sharp creek]

you did it, honestly i like your profile pic

[latent marlin]

I knew it hah

[fringe temple]

I'm a scammer. Gimme your money

[latent marlin]

If I show you my bank account, it might be you who would give me money

[fringe temple]

I doubt. Cuz' u at least have an account. I don't even have that

[latent marlin]

Okay, i’ll join you scamming people then. We both need money or bank account that has money hahah

[fringe temple]

Fr. Our only hope 🙏

[latent marlin]

Yeahh, so anyone there who wants to be scammed? Just come to us for the experience

[fringe temple]

Yeah. We too lazy to manipulate u. Just come to us voluntarily

[latent marlin]

Yeah, we have discount today. We only take 50% of the money in your wallet. Come! Come!

[fringe temple]

Fr. Only 50%

[latent marlin]

Good deal, isn’t it?

[fringe temple]

Ohh. Lovely deal in my humble opinion.

[winter echo]

Buy $bulShit coin the next bitcoin

[fringe temple]

Fr. It's gonna boom in the next couple of months

[winter echo]

Presale is ongoing min $100

[latent marlin]

Gonna be millionaire next month if they purchase

[fringe temple]

In a couple years it's value gonna boost through the sky

[winter echo]

It's going to be listed on binance, this is a generational wealth
Don't miss out

[fringe temple]

Just trust us. We not like Logan Paul

[olive herald]

https://tenor.com/view/international-moon-day-moon-day-lunar-night-sky-moon-gif-10833330694140975323

[winter echo]

What's wrong with you guys I'm trying to do business here?

[fringe temple]

They hate to see a mf getting bread

[olive herald]

@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

They're somewhat cheap too

[feral river]

everybody again celebrate some shit like a bigger rock

they should use this time to salute to every supreme leaders

and appreciate these leader left these people a way to live

[balmy matrix]

Showers twin. Showers.

[olive herald]

Yesss

[olive herald]

Oki

[past tangle]

Rughiaaaaaaaaaa

[olive herald]

Hii

[past tangle]

How are you

Where are you from rakia

[thorny steeple]

I don't know

[placid parrot]

I'm serious

[high raven]

You might just be in the right place

[placid parrot]

So what's serious?

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[astral eagle]

Ni hao

[turbid dome]

This chat

[wispy cedar]

Let's discuss how amazing ancient nomads were

@turbid dome as a representative of Central Asia in this group, do you have anything to say

[turbid dome]

Ancient nomads were indeed amazing, though their hairstyles leave much to be desired.

I would refer to professional mongols @quick musk and @thorny steeple

[wispy cedar]

One particular thing I love about this topic is that, how ignorant most people are when it comes to Central Asian warriors

[thorny steeple]

So what's the Central Asian Warrior like?

[wispy cedar]

I mean, claiming that nomads were only present in Central Asia would be a funny thing to say, wherever there were plains & steppe like places, or let's say low resources, there were always nomads

However for the most part that is where we have most of documented nomadic groups from

[turbid dome]

Yeah, my point exactly. Nowhere was it nearly as prominent

[thorny steeple]

They sure relied on Horse Calvary

[wispy cedar]

You know better, my ozbek dostum

[wispy cedar]

Oh they were the best at it

In fact that is the reason why they dominated the world history

For the most part

Ofc.

[thorny steeple]

So how much did the Mongols influence the Archery and Mobile units there?

[quick musk]

men had weird hairstyles 😭but it the girls looked pretty with the long braids

[thorny steeple]

Definitely the mongol empire is a massive example

[wispy cedar]

Girls def looked pretty.

[quick musk]

i found a mongol in the general chat but she always disappear

[turbid dome]

Ok but I can’t get past the hairstyles for men

[quick musk]

true central Asians are cute

[quick musk]

be a girl

[turbid dome]

No

[quick musk]

https://tenor.com/view/qyzjibek-qizjibek-kazak-kazakh-kazakhmemes-gif-19077576

[thorny steeple]

Like mist or poof, appears and disappears

[quick musk]

kazakh girl

[quick musk]

but she said she liked my name, good she didn't view me as a stalker

[wispy cedar]

In Central Asia, not as much

You see, when you are in a territory filled with experts of ambush & battle strategies,

You don't necessarily meet much new techniques, considering the fact that in Central Asia before the Mongols, nomads have been there for 2000-3000 years or even more

[thorny steeple]

Lessagooo for Kazakhstan

[turbid dome]

Have you met any Turkmens who aren’t insane?

[wispy cedar]

But in Europe, the impact was massive

Not only for archery, but overall

[turbid dome]

I’m a Turkmenifan

[wispy cedar]

Sen ozyn kazaksynba?

[wispy cedar]

I know bro. You are one of us

[quick musk]

yess the population is low with beautiful landscapes

[thorny steeple]

Yeah a lot of military innovation doesn't happen aka stagnation occurs?

[quick musk]

Kazakh bilmiyorum

[turbid dome]

I just want to see someone who has an opinion on Saparmurat Niyazov or Gurbanguly Berdimuhamadow

[wispy cedar]

Turkmusun?

[quick musk]

Ben Suriyeliyim

[wispy cedar]

😂

[thorny steeple]

Definitely Europe is hella lucky tbh, they seem unprepared for the mongols

[quick musk]

oh why? 😭They're usually so chill

[wispy cedar]

Ahaa

Türkçeyi sen bilirsin o zaman

[turbid dome]

I’ve only seen one and they were insane 💀

[quick musk]

Evet ...biraz

[thorny steeple]

So what does Qazaqstan mean?, agreed post Soviet SSR and has great history

[wispy cedar]

Oh buddy.

Nomads have been headache for Eastern Europeans for centuries

[quick musk]

From where? The ones in Iraq and Syria are kind

[turbid dome]

From Turkmenistan

I want to meet a native Turkmen

[wispy cedar]

Bu göçebe sevgisi nerden geliyo peki?

[wispy cedar]

Wait, ru serious??

[quick musk]

i think when the tribes united they called the union Qazaq

[turbid dome]

Yes

[wispy cedar]

Absolutely.

[wispy cedar]

Senyn adyn ne bolaty?

Isim

[quick musk]

Oo i don't know much about them honestly, i heard even foreigners aren't allowed in Turkmenistan

[turbid dome]

I’m not from Turkmenistan, I’m looking for someone in Turkmenistan

[turbid dome]

Yeah exactly why I’m so fascinated

[wispy cedar]

But like originally where are you from??

[turbid dome]

It’s like North Korea except I’m well versed in North Korean history

[thorny steeple]

Definitely look at the Hungarians they assimilated into European culture

[wispy cedar]

Dude ur a Central Asian, idm

[quick musk]

bilmem, i just watched kazakh movies and liked their culture

[turbid dome]

Arkansas, genetically I’m European if that’s what you mean

[quick musk]

sen nerelisin

[thorny steeple]

Will it work for Qazaqstan too?

[quick musk]

Even him believed you're form there😭

[wispy cedar]

Kafkas

[wispy cedar]

NAHHH BOI, UR UZBEK KHALASSS

[turbid dome]

I still don’t know why people think I’m central Asian smh

[wispy cedar]

Ozbekistoooon!! 🇺🇿

[thorny steeple]

So have you ever visit Turkmenistan?

[turbid dome]

Nope, I wish

[wispy cedar]

Ohh well a bit different my friend

[turbid dome]

https://youtu.be/Nk3MTdyH4-A?si=j-i9zwqlFrH8QWfs

tell me this country isn’t interesting when the propaganda is this dumb

[quick musk]

You look like one 😭

[quick musk]

Anadilin nedir

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/HbghHqxYb_c?si=0g0-8JCM2PASXGmn Alright so any travel plans for the Stans?

[thorny steeple]

Lmao the dictator IRL

[manic juniper]

Fat

[wispy cedar]

You see, Magyars were an ethnic group that originated from Siberia just like these other Central Asians

Don't ask a turk about this, cuz he will straight up call them turkic...

Whereas they WERE simply Central Asian just like Tungus, Mongol, Kipchak-Cuman or Tatars

[turbid dome]

I don’t have a travel plan sadly

[turbid dome]

I’m not part Hungarian

[thorny steeple]

That sucks 😔

[turbid dome]

Yup

[thorny steeple]

What's that?

[wispy cedar]

@thorny steeple

[manic juniper]

They weren't Central Asians

There are no Ugric people in Central Asia

[thorny steeple]

Yeah and what happened to the pechenegs are they still a thing?

[manic juniper]

Ichthyotitan, possibly the largest animal to ever exist

[turbid dome]

Alright @wispy cedar @quick musk do I still look central Asian with this pfp

[thorny steeple]

Largest animal ever
Looks inside
It's a sea animal

[quick musk]

now you look more and more like a central Asian and is that a dog?

[turbid dome]

wtf and yes that’s a dog

[quick musk]

he looks like a teddy bear 😭

[quick musk]

Aww cute

[thorny steeple]

Agreed lmao

[quick musk]

Even your eyes are uzbek 💯

[turbid dome]

Isfrun mad at my animal slavery and being a saurocratic hypocrite

[thorny steeple]

Cute dog btw

[wispy cedar]

However they migrated west-wise and settled in modern day Hungary

Now here is the thing, when a nation takes over the other, and it is such a powerful one like Magyars & the locals didn't have a strong identity present before them, what they do is, they assimilate and start following the leading elites

That's why Hungarian belongs to a different language family & they call themselves magyar, whereas the original magyar DNA present in them is almost 0%, hence the ones that migrated to there were minority

Their DNA just disappeared as the time pssed

[turbid dome]

Damn it opposite effect

[thorny steeple]

Lmao when you two ever reconcile

[turbid dome]

@manic juniper do you forgive me for my animal slavery

[quick musk]

yeaa we couldn't see them clearly before thanks for confirming our doubts

[turbid dome]

Rip

[thorny steeple]

Yeah on a different hand, you get to wonder how did Latin survive in Romania and elsewhere became Slavic

[manic juniper]

Carpathians

[wispy cedar]

Oh well, they got cooked by the Cumans

Not that they were all killed , likely they just disintegrated to local Bulgar Turks & other nomads

[wispy cedar]

Ozbekiston

[turbid dome]

Turkmenifan

[thorny steeple]

Lmao

[wispy cedar]

To me it is not that interesting lol it is only the nomadic, slavic & middle Eastern histories that I'm into

[thorny steeple]

Definitely cooked with Roman help lol

[wispy cedar]

Azerice

[wispy cedar]

At the times romans were not present

[thorny steeple]

Real OGs remember the Avar Khanate

[wispy cedar]

Avars RAHH

Crazy enough, where I am from, Avar is an ethnicity

Does any one of you know Khabib?

[thorny steeple]

Nope what's that?

[wispy cedar]

😂

Basically he is an Avar

[thorny steeple]

I'm more into interest into everything on history lol

[wispy cedar]

However it is a bit different

Like the relation between Avar Khanate & them Avars is a bit of a mystery

[thorny steeple]

So did any avar culture survive into today?

[wispy cedar]

Genetically, Avars are nothing Altaic

They are purely Caucasian, meaning not turkic

We know the Avar khanate to be of turkic origin, meaning we don't really know how is it that both are called Avar

[wispy cedar]

Pfft

Absolutely.

But not in the traditional nomadic "Avar" way

@thorny steeple

https://youtu.be/m7ATn8NqNzI?si=KXTomYjo9JpkCCGl

Since you know about Pechenegs and their history, I am sure you will like this

[thorny steeple]

So how many nations did the Vikings rule?

From 793-1066

[wispy cedar]

I mean if we are talking about the traditional nordic warriors that would for the most part deal with raiding and stuff, let's see

We've got England, some parts of France, Denmark, Norway, Sweden

Some parts of Poland

Some parts of Russia and Ukraine

[thorny steeple]

The nordics, England and France so what about Spain?

[manic juniper]

They just sieged there

[wispy cedar]

Some of those Vikings would eventually end up in Slavic lands and somehow take the control, which potentially have led to a mixture of these cultures

In fact, such warriors from Eastern Europe were highly valued that, they were even used as paid soldiers in Byzantine Empire

[thorny steeple]

The Norman Italian kingdom in Naples/Sicily?

[wispy cedar]

Didn't rule it but have sieged cities like Seville, which is a port city as of my knowledge

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[wispy cedar]

Oh that's a bit later, though they are of Nordic origin

Good that you know it though 👍

[thorny steeple]

Yeah 1100s now I remember lmao

[wispy cedar]

Nah that's still impressive

[thorny steeple]

Fr that aside real OGs know about Samo's empire

[wispy cedar]

Normans, were vikings who had settled in France, and adopted french as a language to rule over the local peasants cuz teaching them their language was almost impossible like 😂

[wispy cedar]

Samo? You've lost me there

Not worthy of being called an OG 😢

[thorny steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samo's_Empire

[thorny steeple]

You will eventually Lol

[thorny steeple]

True if the black death didn't happened, I'm sure we be speaking Norman French lmao

[wispy cedar]

What happened to them later on? Nomads? Internal struggles? Another slavic state?

[thorny steeple]

Collapse aka only one ruler

Couldn't get an heir

[wispy cedar]

Aha like in Timurid Empire

[wispy cedar]

Slavs are badass

Like how goated you should be that, the Byzantine Empire, the EMPEROR is hiring you as his personal guard

[thorny steeple]

Yeah didn't he die during his invasion to China? Or something

[wispy cedar]

correct

[thorny steeple]

Cool Flag ngl

[wispy cedar]

I don't like the dude as much, Timur was a complex person

However you can't resist admiring the dude, like never been defeated in his life even by the hands of the Ottomans

[thorny steeple]

Definitely didn't he and the ottomans blows with each other lol

[thorny steeple]

Yeah the varangian gaurd is more trustworthy than the Praetorians lmao

[wispy cedar]

Not because of that, but because of his mass murders & massacres of local muslim populations in Halep/Aleppo & Damashq/Damascus @quick musk

[wispy cedar]

DUDE YOU EVEN KNOW THE NAME

The varangian guards, absolutely correct

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but because of that it save the Romans for the time being lol

[wispy cedar]

Em slavs.

[thorny steeple]

Result: war with the ottomans as they were going to collide sooner or later

[wispy cedar]

Dude but at the time there were no Romans...

No Western or Eastern empire was left

Oh no mb mb

Eastern was still there

We are talking about early 15th century, mb mb

[thorny steeple]

I mean the Eastern empire when I say Romans lmao

[wispy cedar]

You are correct when you say that, I just confused the dates

The battle with Ottomans happened like in 1401 or 1402 or sum

The Constantinople fell in 1453

[thorny steeple]

Thought I should be using Byzantine for 10th-15th century lol

[wispy cedar]

I mean it is still the Roman empire, so you are not wrong for saying it

[thorny steeple]

Yeah I kinda forgot tbh lol but I know it happened in the early 1400s

[thorny steeple]

True true

[wispy cedar]

But still it was all cool stuff

Like I am a big fan of this history, the part where Western Europe started to rise was quite a bit boring ngl

[thorny steeple]

Cool

[wispy cedar]

Like I don't really like the far West in particular..? Cuz idk, there is nothing much impressive on the other side in terms of style

Whereas in Central Asia, Middle East, Eastern Europe & ofc Asia Minor, there was always some sort of contrast & mixture of different cultures if you get what I mean

[thorny steeple]

Understandable people tend to have their certain likeness of history

[wispy cedar]

Like for me Slavs fighting with Cumans or Tatars,

Or Seljuks becoming more persian like,

Or Crusades is more interesting than men dressed up in tight trousers & putting a wig on is nothing much special

[thorny steeple]

Yeah I'm very western knowledgeable I tend to lack know-how in Asian history

[wispy cedar]

Ancient civilizations & middle ages are my fav

[manic juniper]

That's just English and French history

[quick musk]

yeah it was horrible, although i believe mongols became less barbarian after embracing Islam but his actions resembled what the mongols did in Baghdad
I'm not sure if he's a turk or mongol honestly

[manic juniper]

There is plenty of mixture in Spanish history and Italian history

Spaniards literally fought on every side of the world before the British did

[wispy cedar]

He was of turkic origin, but had some mongol admixture as well, due to the genetic mixture turks of Central Asia had at the time

Though he was a muslim, he didn't use the sharia system though

He sticked to the Yassa

[thorny steeple]

Lmao, I heard from somewhere English is just badly translated French

[wispy cedar]

Still, that part of history is not much interesting to me

[wispy cedar]

English is a Germanic language with a lot of borrowed words from French

[manic juniper]

It's not western European history, just English and French

[thorny steeple]

I tend to go search about prehistory y'know and pre Columbian Americas

[manic juniper]

It's not like Danes weren't colonising Greenland or Swedes weren't fighting Poland-Lithuania and Russia

[thorny steeple]

Yeah the World power of the 1500s

[manic juniper]

Portugal was in India, China, Africa, Spain was in SEA, so was the Netherlands

The Spaniards literally fought alongside ex Aztecs soldiers against ronins and pirates in Philippines

[wispy cedar]

Never read about tht part ngl

I have read a bit about the native Americans and their specific traditions though

It is a cool history as well, considering how hard they fought against the invaders

Like the part of resistance in particular was something interesting to read about there

[quick musk]

He claimed to be the descandant of Genghis Khan though, I noticed in kazakh movies sultans and Khans keep saying that too, What's yassa

[wispy cedar]

Kazak dizilerini nerden nası izliyon 😂

In the movies that you might be watching, it is likely that you don't see much about Middle Ages

Likely they are about 17-18th century Kazakhstan where they were fighting against Djongars

[thorny steeple]

Yeah the north native Americans vs the southern ones in Mexico and south America are so different ngl

[wispy cedar]

No he didn't claim to be khan though he wanted

However to be able to claim yourself a "Khan" you have to be a direct descendant of Chingis.

He married one of grandchildren of Chingis though, he never became a Khan

We over here call him, Amir Timur, or ironically, Taymur-Lang

[wispy cedar]

Oh the contrast..

A cool thing tho, back to this nomads & their influence on world

Have you ever been to Eastern Europe?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah makes the perspective of time seem wacky lmao, like you could've been a cowboy with a coca and a stack of Nintendo cards in 1892

[thorny steeple]

Nein, have you thought?

[wispy cedar]

I live in Eastern Europe

A fun fact, in pictures you might have seen some city walls & castles made of stone in Eastern Europe almost everywhere

[thorny steeple]

Well well well well, how was the Soviet Union?

[wispy cedar]

I'm not originally from Eastern Europe, but thanks for asking...

[quick musk]

A kazakh recommend those movies to me, i mean he also claimed kazakhs are the real mongols 😭
yeah only tomiris was about an ancient queen. Last series i saw was called kazakh Khanate, about kerei and zhanibek who wanted to re-establish the white horde(kazakh Khanate)
everytime they talk about their ancestors, they mention being the descandant of Genghis Khan the great warrior

[thorny steeple]

Definitely Europe is literally dotted with ancient ruins from civilization a and civilization b

[quick musk]

i watched them on YouTube mostly

[thorny steeple]

And Z

[thorny steeple]

Alright gtk man

[quick musk]

https://tenor.com/view/amma-cat-ts-js-pmo-icl-pmo-cat-gif-9038313483801766180

[fringe temple]

Been a while

[wispy cedar]

Tomiris was a massageate, which were iranian speaking people

At that time there was no kazakh or Turk.

As for that other one that you are talking about, yepp it is about 1600s-1700s

[quick musk]

scary profile

[wispy cedar]

Rest well man, we have this talk on a call sometime

Sendin u a rq

[fringe temple]

Yeahh. It do be like that fr

[quick musk]

What?? She fought the Iranians and they didn't speak the same language in the movie wdym 😭

[wispy cedar]

Ofcourse she would speak Kazakh in a Kazakh movie, what do you expect...

[thorny steeple]

Alright man how's the Apartments with that gloomy Soviet look lol

[wispy cedar]

Блин, сейчас я тебе пулю в башку и ты узнаешь, братан.

😂

[fringe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-discord-mod-gif-17404888196318737743

[quick musk]

she looks Turkic too, the Iranians were distinct in the movie. she united the nomadic tribes to not let the Iranians take over their lands

[wispy cedar]

Absolutely no hate

[wispy cedar]

Just forget about the movie for a second please 😭

[thorny steeple]

English man I can't speak Russian lmao

[quick musk]

don't ruin her image please 😭

[wispy cedar]

Translate it buddy 😂 😁

[thorny steeple]

Damn, now I'll put a bullet in your head and you'll find out, bro.

[wispy cedar]

Massageates were a nomadic iranian speaking people who were one of the tribes present in Central Asia, before the arrival of Altaic Nomads such as Turks (kazakhs in that sense) 😂

[thorny steeple]

Well that's something lmao

[wispy cedar]

I am kidding of course, today we had a good talk, bratan

[wispy cedar]

Enjoyed it really

So to give you a perspective

Ru familiar with kurds? @quick musk

[thorny steeple]

Always loved meeting foreigners cool people lmao

[quick musk]

hmm i shall search first

[quick musk]

sure

[wispy cedar]

There you go, they are an iranian speaking people

Indo-Iranian is a sub branch of Indo-European, which includes different languages such as Kurdish, Farsi, Tajik, Pashtun etx.

Etc.**

It is like how Kazakhs and Turks speak a Turkic language

[quick musk]

maybe they were influenced by the Iranian influence at that time, that's why they spoke an Iranian language
but i don't think kazakhstan will make a movie praising a women that protected their lands while she doesn't belong to there 😭

[wispy cedar]

🤝

[quick musk]

but okay I'll search first then reply, maybe you're right

[wispy cedar]

Absolutely not

As for kazakhs praising her, lol it is a bit complicated topic as well

You see, nowadays we have this problem of nationalism which leads us to;

1. Adopt a historical figure that doesn't really have to belong to the same cultural or genetical branch we belong to with the purpose of the masses to have something to idolize,

2. For the most part, ignore actual historic data using propaganda

[quick musk]

you're right i just checked

[wispy cedar]

Ofcourse I am, you are talking with someone that is a fanatic when it comes to the nomads

[quick musk]

it was misleading how in the film she just represented kazakh culture, the clothes, braids and nomadic life but i think women loved her for being strong

[quick musk]

Are you studying history?

[wispy cedar]

It is possible that Kazakh people share certain elements with those central asian nomads

You see, back then in the Pontic Steppe (the territory of Kazakhstan, Russia and Ukraine all combined),

It was a civilization that is named "Yamnaya" that was ruling (3000 BCE)

The first people ever to domesticate the horse

[thorny steeple]

On your death bed , you won't be thinking about this conv,
Chill guys, winning an argument is not that important

[wispy cedar]

Later this civilization spread, and those that stayed formed the local population that spoke a subbranch of Indo European (Indo Iranian languages) (2000-1500 BCE as of my knowledge)

[wispy cedar]

Then other nomads came in around 4th century, the Huns

Which were a mixture of nomadic tribes which potentially included Indo-Turkic speakers

[thorny steeple]

What's the legacy of this Yamnaya people?

[quick musk]

So Iranians and most Europeans share the same ancestor?

[wispy cedar]

You are giving the right questions to the right person :))

[wispy cedar]

Yes and no

[quick musk]

Btw do you identify as a turk

[wispy cedar]

Bitire bilirmiyim?

[thorny steeple]

Fr aka proto Indo European legacy eh?

[wispy cedar]

Oi mate, absolutely.

[quick musk]

tabii

[wispy cedar]

With the arrival of these nomads & their settling in the territory,

First ever Turkic empire was built in 6th century CE (Around the time Rasoolallah s.a.w was born)

Which was called the Göktürks

[wispy cedar]

Now interesting enough, coming to your question slowly

[thorny steeple]

How so long did the Gokturks last?

[wispy cedar]

Iranian speaking nomads such as Schytians themselves NEVER disappeared from the territory

When the Altaic people of Central Asia arrived, they were either pushed southwards, to the modern territories of Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kavkaz (Osetia specifically),

And a small percentage stayed and disintegrated

[wispy cedar]

Around 100 or 200 years

Not sure about that specifically

[wispy cedar]

And that is why @quick musk, where nomads from Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan have the most of their DNA made up of ancient Altaic genes,

Other turkic groups such as Uzbeks or Turkmens share a high percentage of Iranian DNA in them (up to 40%!!!)

[thorny steeple]

So they fell apart from invasion or infighting?, if you know the Gokturks then what else do you know from the great Asian Khanate's before the mongol empire

[wispy cedar]

@thorny steeple also bro I will respond to your questions as well, I just wanted to finish up responding to her questions hence I am already talking about turks and their origin story and stuff

[quick musk]

@turbid dome this explains why you look Uzbek and can pass as an Iranian too

[thorny steeple]

Sure I'm enjoying this conversation so continue as always

[turbid dome]

But I’m not Iranian or Turkic or Scythian or anything, All my ancestors ranked by %:

Irish
Ashkenazi (from Poland/Russia)
Italian
Swedish

[wispy cedar]

The thing is, most of the Europeans are actually the descendants of those Indo-Europeans

That's why there are commonly shared features amongst these people (blue eyes, blonde hair, white skin)

As for those people in Asia that share similar features, they share some level of Indo-European genes in their DNA as well

Like you as a Syrian, for instance, genetically are closer to a Greek or Rus than an actual arab

[thorny steeple]

Quite the diverse ancestry

[turbid dome]

Not really

[thorny steeple]

That aside, how many languages are you knowledgeable of?

[turbid dome]

I’d only describe myself as fluent in one, and I know a few basic phrases in other languages

[thorny steeple]

Noice, so any plans to learn any language?

[quick musk]

Maybe if the DNA analysis shows the closest ancient nations to you, it'll be more accurate
Because here As'ad was talking about immigration to Europe

[turbid dome]

Yup, currently learning a little bit of polish as I’m going to uni there soon (if the visa is accepted)

[wispy cedar]

Yamnaya was basically a civilization that was formed by people that had migrated from Anatolia, Caucasus & Iranian Plateau to the north

We are talking about a time when the farming was something new

These nomads mostly relied on the animals that they were herding & were pastorialists

They are the first people to domesticate horses as well, which for the most part gave them the upper hand in battlefield

To the degree that, around the time they were raiding Europe, the historic remains of that time suggest a 90% reduction in male population

Whereas the local European women of that time, were spared for obvious reasons

This shows a significant superiority in terms of their military skills & preparations

[thorny steeple]

Well that's nice, hope you do get accepted man

[wispy cedar]

Oh well, there are multiple before the Gokturks and after them

If you are interested to those that came after them,

Well we have got the Avar Khanate, Pechenegs, Cumans, Kiphchaks, Bulgar Khanates, the Mongol Empire, Crimean Khanate, Kazan Khanate etc.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah the group split and led into the modern Indo European languages we speak as of today, so apart from Basque which is not an Indo European language, how many are there nowadays

[wispy cedar]

Still Indo-European

[turbid dome]

I mean through all family lines we can track back to at least country of origin, and from what we know all lines were in those countries for hundreds of years so if there’s any genetics there they’re long gone. The only possible exception was a branch of family that did inbreeding but even then it was so far back and the genes are mostly Russian/polish

[quick musk]

i can understand that the yamnaya were common ancestor of Iranians, Europeans and central Asians
but Greeks are Europeans and we're semites so distant from each other, and ofc the furthest from being a Rus

[turbid dome]

Thanks, visa process is a pain

[wispy cedar]

Ayn

[turbid dome]

Yeah but that’s a huge category

[thorny steeple]

Wouldn't it Cuman-Kipchaks? Or something

[thorny steeple]

Yeah lmao that ain't easy tbh

[wispy cedar]

YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT BASQUE IS???

Genius.

[turbid dome]

Yup

[thorny steeple]

Euskara 101 thought I wouldn't know the language as native speaker lol

[wispy cedar]

Nu-uh.

You speak a semitic language.

It doesn't make you of semitic origins :))

You likely have some degree of that DNA in your blood for sure

[quick musk]

in your case you seem to be really mixed so it'll more difficult to track your country of origin
but we'll consider you a Türkmen no worries

[wispy cedar]

But still, Indo-European genes would come of heavier, considering that most Syrians are light-skinned people with very non-arabic features

[turbid dome]

Does this give me a right to talk about the amazing lineage of Turkmen presidents and if I can predict Kerimguly Berdimuhamadow’s rise to power?

[wispy cedar]

Still the genes are present

[quick musk]

where's that British guy 😭did he send you that meaningless article too

[thorny steeple]

Lmao well that be something

[thorny steeple]

What article?

[wispy cedar]

Yes, Cumans were just the western part of their coalition of tribes let's say

[thorny steeple]

Minereza?

[wispy cedar]

UR A BASQUE? DUDE

[thorny steeple]

Nope I mean I'm not a native of Basque lmao

[turbid dome]

Yup

[quick musk]

nah our features are distinct from Europeans
Arabs just don't have a definite look. They can look like anyone

[wispy cedar]

Who, Lawrence?

[quick musk]

oh no, there was a British guy here saying levantines are more Greek than the modern Greeks lmao

[wispy cedar]

I mean to a degree, they have greek DNA present in them

That's correct

[turbid dome]

He got banned lol

[verbal yacht]

Hello guys

[quick musk]

Yes it's another proof that you're leaning to your homeland(Türkmenistan)more than other countries

[thorny steeple]

LMAO

[wispy cedar]

Still yk who they're, that makes u an OG

Do you know that they speak a language that is COMPLETELY separate than Indo-European languages???

[quick musk]

Turkish people are the closest to Greeks ig, so if you said so it makes sense but not semitic people

[quick musk]

Deserved

[thorny steeple]

I do, ofc it ain't rocket science lol

[thorny steeple]

Agreed 💯

[wispy cedar]

Oh well Türkiye is a whole different topic...

[quick musk]

he had an Arabic name like estagfurullah

[wispy cedar]

Most people don't know it still.

I mean most people dek what Indo-European languages are..

[turbid dome]

But I’m split on whether to want the return of Saparmurat Niyazov’s bones to power or be a Berdimuhamadow family loyalist

[thorny steeple]

And on that topic, do you know esperanto the conlang language

[wispy cedar]

So basically in Levant, during the Byzantine Era, there was a huge population of greek speaking Roman population who were living alongside the Semites

Especially in Ash-Sham, the numbers were so high that, even when the Romans left the territory, the DNA was still present in them

So what are the Syrians of today?

Well they are a good mixture of Anatolian, Indo-European & Semitic (although not that prominent) people that basically got arabized

[wispy cedar]

Another such language??

[thorny steeple]

Nahh more like a constructed language aka conlang

Called esperanto built in 1887 or something

[wispy cedar]

Created by whom and why?

[quick musk]

i have no idea of any of them except that saparmurat was insane according to your bio

[shadow bronze]

Hi

[turbid dome]

He changed the calendar and wrote a book and made it mandatory reading in schools and all that

[thorny steeple]

Towards a single unified language system I believe, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

[quick musk]

yeah we are highly mixed, I'm not gonna deny it but the dominant ancestry is levantine 😭Greek ancestry is low i don't really know where people are getting this idea from nowadays

[wispy cedar]

The tower of Babylon stuff

[quick musk]

Also do you identify as a Turk?

[wispy cedar]

Ru sure :))

[thorny steeple]

Lmao

[wispy cedar]

I identify as he/him, I'm not your türk milliyetçisi stuff to obsess about such, ma'am. 😂

[thorny steeple]

Lmao

[quick musk]

yes 💯 sure
i can recognize if the person is Syrian or European

[quick musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357076779331751998/1358500432770633768/turk.gif

joking

[wispy cedar]

insha'Allah I'ma send some information to you later on when I have time

Ur greek, ma'am:)

Sorry:)

[quick musk]

but based on your knowledge i wondered if you'll identfy as a Turk especially that you speak Azeri

[quick musk]

I'll send ones proving the opposite

[wispy cedar]

Well, if it is about genetics, I'm of Caucasian descent

[quick musk]

Georgian?

[wispy cedar]

Like I don't look like any azeri around here

Just see it urselves

[wispy cedar]

Ru familiar with Karapapakhs, let me portray it this way 😭

So from my father side I am of Dagestani descent let's say

[quick musk]

like the Russian fighters

[wispy cedar]

And from my mother side I am of Karapapakh descent, which is a turkic speaking group

[quick musk]

not familiar with them but i know Chechens and Dagestanis

[wispy cedar]

Do you even know how many times have I been called Khabib or Khamzat in Poland 😂

[thorny steeple]

Agreed Russian MMA fighter looking

[wispy cedar]

Gosh my own people once thought I am a chechen

[quick musk]

yeah khabib😭he was the guy on my mind

[wispy cedar]

Like once I went to the masjeed and like there was this one azeri guy

[thorny steeple]

Lol

[wispy cedar]

I told him Salam Aleykum, have u guys prayed

Dude was like omg u speak Azeri? I thought ur a chechen 😂

[quick musk]

i mean the azeris I've seen look more like Iranians

[wispy cedar]

Yesssss dammit.

[quick musk]

Doesn't he look like him?

[quick musk]

it's funny when your own people don't recognize you're one of them 😭

[wispy cedar]

Another time in the mosque there was this Caucasian lookin guy

Dude stared at me the whole time when the imam was giving a lecture

After the lecture he came to me and he was like Салам Алейкум with this accent 😂

Asked me where I am from, when I told him to make a guess, ofc he had to say Chechnya

[thorny steeple]

Lmao 🤣

[thorny steeple]

Yeppers

[wispy cedar]

It is insane dude.

[wispy cedar]

He himself was an ingush, it is like an ethnicity that is living by chechens

[quick musk]

honestly if you didn't mention where you're from, I'd say Russia or Chechenya specifically

What a username

[wispy cedar]

Ola bilir 😂

I speak turkish, yes

Też mówię po polsku i po angielsku 👍

[quick musk]

polish

[wispy cedar]

U tell 😂

[quick musk]

||zamilknij||

[wispy cedar]

@ivory cliff guess

[wispy cedar]

Zamknij*

Better kill me than to call me that.

[quick musk]

how did you learn polish

[wispy cedar]

I live in Polska

[thorny steeple]

Understandable

[wispy cedar]

Live long Mein Führer

[wispy cedar]

Nowadays it is that way for everyone

[quick musk]

are they racists like the rumours say?

[wispy cedar]

Yes, Instagram comments are filled with racist poles

But they won't openly admit it

[manic juniper]

Yes

[wispy cedar]

Hm?

[quick musk]

at least they can act polite 😭

[wispy cedar]

From the mountains of Kavkaz

[quick musk]

racist to you?

[wispy cedar]

Oh we agree on a point for the first time, Im glad

Northern Azerbaijani

[quick musk]

you got the flag of ukraine in ur bio, a pole told me they're racist to Ukrainians idk why

[manic juniper]

No they always treated me well but they are quite racist

[wispy cedar]

Salam Aleykum 😂

[manic juniper]

I'm not Ukrainian, I just support

[wispy cedar]

Oh they hate Ukrainians

[quick musk]

From Finland? Nice

[manic juniper]

Yes

[wispy cedar]

Ürəy uje qəbullanmisam ee 😂

Bir Allahın bəndəsi məni Azərbaycanda istəmir onsuz 😂

[manic juniper]

The relationship between Poles and Ukrainians is complicated. But they generally like each other more than they hate each other

[quick musk]

i don't really know, i mean on insta all nations look racists 😭

[wispy cedar]

Yeah sure..

You don't know much about how things work there

Oh ur not azeri???

[manic juniper]

I do

Their relationship also improved and deteriorated after the war

[wispy cedar]

I live there

I speak to people, I see how they talk about or see them

[manic juniper]

My family members live there too

[wispy cedar]

Tatar? Karapapakh? Turk?

Nbr knk

Iyidir Alhamdulillah

Amin, Allah iyiliyi başından eksik etmesin

@quick musk also sormayı unutdum, from where do you know Turkish this well?

[manic juniper]

Finnish Instagram is too wholesome for some reasons

Many racists there as well

[quick musk]

Türkçe bilmiyorum

[wispy cedar]

Buyur knk

Almaniyadamısın?

[quick musk]

[wispy cedar]

Aha tabi

[quick musk]

Who are you racist to the most?

[thorny steeple]

Lmao that sucks 😞

[quick musk]

bilmem

[manic juniper]

All of those I interacted with, so I'm less racist towards those I never interacted with

[wispy cedar]

Hitleri sevmek için ya yahudilere nefret etmek lazım, yada alman tarihinin fanatigi olmak 😂

[quick musk]

||you might not believe it but i learned mostly from arguments||

[manic juniper]

Can't really say who I dislike

[wispy cedar]

😂😂😂😂

[wispy cedar]

"Ülkene dön, dilenci arap!" 😂

[thorny steeple]

Well that's something

[quick musk]

it's the opposite for a typical racist, this is interesting

[quick musk]

Aynen

[wispy cedar]

Eh işte knk adam biraz ekstrim takiliyomus işte 😂

Ne bileyim, gas chambers falan

[wispy cedar]

Oh so u have heard it? 😂 So you live-in Türkiye?

[quick musk]

As'ad speak many languages mashallah

[manic juniper]

Yeah, I mean I have prejudices towards ethnicities I am familiar with, but not towards individuals after I discover their views and intentions because it then turns into normal hate/appreciation

[quick musk]

yoooo

Türkiye'de yaşamıyorum

[wispy cedar]

Yo knk kim o?

[quick musk]

but online

[thorny steeple]

Fr he's a living encyclopedia of languages

[quick musk]

Lol

[manic juniper]

For example I hold really positive views on Lithuanians as a whole
It's still racist but in a positive way

[turbid dome]

Did I get appreciation or hate

After burger

[wispy cedar]

Advantages of being from a Post Soviet country...

Napmiş peki

[manic juniper]

My opinion on Americans used to be quite neutral, it was neutral back when we met

[quick musk]

So you judge the person after meeting him, i don't think it's really racism
Respect

[manic juniper]

But it's now very negative and I'm less tolerant

[turbid dome]

Same, I hate other Americans

[thorny steeple]

Well I'm cooked

[quick musk]

i want his passion for learning languages

[wispy cedar]

Say I am a white Caucasian guy from Southern Caucasus

Who is a muslim and jihad supporter, what do you think of me.

[manic juniper]

Yeah but I assume things about the person before I get to know them. For example if you meet an Arab they are likely to be pro-Palestine, if you meet an Israeli they are likely to be pro-Israel

[thorny steeple]

Samee, so what languages would you be passionate about?

[wispy cedar]

Passion?

My classmates are kazakh & kyrgyz,

I study in Poland,

Turkish we speak since we are 5yo and like English, come on...

Everyone speaks it nowadays

[manic juniper]

Now if you assume these things you are at least slightly racist because you're generalising an entire group

Even if they end up being true

[thorny steeple]

Lmao so multilingual eh

[wispy cedar]

Zeki adam, keşke bunu Israilde bide denesek

[wispy cedar]

I wish I spoke Russian fluently though

[manic juniper]

I have these prejudices in every group I'm familiar with, this includes my own

[quick musk]

ofc because people tend to stand with their nation .... there'll be a time where mentioning isn'treal will be as mentioning Hitler in the future

[thorny steeple]

agreed groups can't be put into categories

[thorny steeple]

Maybe you will eventually

[quick musk]

i love central Asian and Mediterranean languages but i get quickly bored after i start learning a new language
Wbu?

[manic juniper]

Not necessarily, I met many Serbs who hate Serbia. Now I have two prejudices about them: Instagram Serbs are insanely nationalistic, Discord Serbs are quite the opposite for some reasons

[turbid dome]

Well tbf with Israelis for example I figure this because they’re settler colonialists, even the well meaning ones are still settler colonialists, and Americans are living in a successful settler colony that bombs the rest of the world. So finding an American or Israeli who opposes all settler colonialism and bombing of the rest of the world isn’t based off race but circumstance

[thorny steeple]

Fully mastering German and maybe in the future finnish or Chinese

[manic juniper]

I met many Americans who don't, it's close to 50/50 at least on here

But I don't doubt that it's different from reality

[quick musk]

Benefits of living in a diverse community, first time we left Syria i kinda felt im an alien

[wispy cedar]

Or sometimes religion

I've got a LOT OF revert brothers who absolutely hate every single one of these systems

[manic juniper]

This is just my customised racism towards Americans

[turbid dome]

Nope, just interrogate them a bit further, they may oppose a specific settler colonialist action but their ideology will always reveal they don’t care about the wider trend.

[thorny steeple]

Interesting didn't know racism could be customized

[quick musk]

my stereotype about Serbs is that they hate Kosovo and don't even consider it a country

[wispy cedar]

Knk şaka bi yana, ben derim ki kafayı birazda bozmasan bu elemanla

Hani zeki falan, ama eh işte

Sen bilirsin tabi

[manic juniper]

If i meet a southerner on Discord I quite literally assume they are oppressed atheists who live in a place they shouldn't be

[wispy cedar]

SRBE NA VRBA

LIVE LONG BOSNIAAAAA

[turbid dome]

Yeah sometimes

[manic juniper]

Meanwhile most southerners aren't like that at all (I guess)

[turbid dome]

Why is that

[thorny steeple]

Or want it breakaway lol

[manic juniper]

Because I base racism off personal anecdotes and likelihoods

[wispy cedar]

Oh possible, turks absolutely hate arabs

INTERESTINGLY, they love Palestinians 😂

[quick musk]

Agree 💯🇧🇦🇽🇰

[turbid dome]

Yeah fair enough, so is that based off me?

[manic juniper]

Lol those I met on Discord all recognise it and feel ashamed, believe it or not

[wispy cedar]

Knk coluk çocuğu gas chamber ine doldurub yakmak normal ola bilirmi sence

[manic juniper]

I even met a Bosnian Serb, and they are considered ultranationalists by Serbian Serbs... It's that bad

[quick musk]

they're just following the trend i guess, i think if Türkiye was bordering Palestine and they had to let many in things will be different 😭

i feel i sound like a racist now

[manic juniper]

This guy was a self-hating Serb too, I don't like calling him Serb either because it's almost as if he didn't want to be one

It's sad

[turbid dome]

Relatable

[manic juniper]

No but it could reinforce it, it started long ago

[wispy cedar]

Maybe, possible

Tho I don't like arabs as much, gotta admit after these recent events in Syria like the mücahitlerin savaşı and stuff, my respect went 100 up

[turbid dome]

Ahh ok

[quick musk]

Wow i wonder if it's all a coincidence or they're becoming well aware that it's a already a country now

[manic juniper]

Just to give you an example, an early contributor of the stereotype is a Korean American Buddhist from Texas

[turbid dome]

Like Arkansas is the most conservative state on abortion in the country with the majority being opposed, which is rare considering even other hypersonservative states voted it in

[thorny steeple]

Understandable

[turbid dome]

Oh wow

[wispy cedar]

Knk birisinin yahudi ailəsində doğulmuş olması, o kişiyi daha az insan yapmaz

Ki eğer ki dediğin gibi olsaydı, Türkiyedende ancaq hasiyetli adamlar çıkmıyo, you get what I mean

[manic juniper]

In my experience the most nationalistic Serbs are all in their 20s, but many around the same age also broke off it. Not only this, but teens seem consistently anti-nationalists

[turbid dome]

No it’s true though, the Turkish government is insanely anti Palestinian and only rhetorically are pro-Palestine already

[quick musk]

where do you think hatred comes from? Most probably you have prejudiced view about Arabs too
i knew some Turks that love egyptians just cuz they consider them non Arabs

[wispy cedar]

Alhamdulillah, but still SRBE NA VRBE

[manic juniper]

If it keeps going like this the next generations of Serbs will be somewhat successful as a country I guess (unless they leave it)

Breaking off nationalism is good, Serbian nationalism is just there to distract from corruption

[turbid dome]

Or they’ll reorient to become the American puppet state of Serbia

[quick musk]

Nationlism is raising in other countries, it's weird that it's dropping in Serbia but if it's for the better than that's good

[turbid dome]

Turns out when people get a taste they hate it

[manic juniper]

It's low in most of Europe, it's rising there but slowly

Serbs are just catching up with other Europeans

[turbid dome]

No way is it low

[quick musk]

i mean in their speeches they're pro Palestine, but when it comes to actions i don't think any country is actually helping

[turbid dome]

Meloni, Merz and AfD, the new polish guy

[wispy cedar]

Well, certain filth that came with Arabs most likely

Not saying that Turks themselves are an ultimate nation of morality, I don't like Turks as much neither

To me an arab and a turk, although they dislike each other, are almost the same when it comes to bad behaviour and representation of oneself

As for me, it is this particular issue of sexual harassment and its normalisation within the society

Especially in Egypt and in Iraq, got no problem with Lubnan, Falasteen or Syria as much

[turbid dome]

Yeah, they talk about how much they love Palestine and then do another weapons deal with Israel

[manic juniper]

They're not that nationalistic, just racist

[turbid dome]

I mean Germany has been doing Ausländer aus or whatever

[manic juniper]

I met few nationalistic Italians

[wispy cedar]

Exactly, my ozbek friend

[quick musk]

Do you think those with anti immigration sentiments can be considered nationalists

[manic juniper]

Mostly because they care too much about their region to be nationalistic for all of Italy

[manic juniper]

Not much, they're more racist than nationalist

[turbid dome]

True ig, though the federal gov has different ambitions

[turbid dome]

But what underpins the racism

[manic juniper]

Sometimes they are when they promote anti-European sentiment

Like Brexit

[wispy cedar]

I highly disagree buddy, that is a really dangerous & extreme point of view that leads to nothing but normalisation of spilling the blood of the innocent

[turbid dome]

It’s the fundamental belief that their country should be more ethnosupremacist and the nation a vanguard for their race

[manic juniper]

But even UK isn't nationalistic per se, since they are a union. Except Scotland where they have actual nationalism there (however mild it is)

[wispy cedar]

@thorny steeple

[quick musk]

Have you been to any Arab country before? i guess those are just stereotypes
When you mentioned Syria Lebanon and Filistine it's like you're mentioning the nations you don't consider "Arab" from the start
What about the Gulf Arab countries?

[thorny steeple]

Ye?

[wispy cedar]

Nothing, wanted yo send you s friend request but have already sent so no problem 😂

[turbid dome]

Nah they just treat the union as one country, any non or anti nationalist wouldn’t care about Northern Ireland yet they still want to keep it

[thorny steeple]

Yeah if Scottish nationalism was hot as a kettle the union would definitely fall apart

[quick musk]

That's why governments usually don't represent people at all

[thorny steeple]

Fr lol

[turbid dome]

Yup

[wispy cedar]

I have contacts with people from both Egypt and Iraq

Even ladies, now hear me out;

When a foreign force is complaining about harassment and stuff in an arab country, it is a different thing

When an ARAB LADY is complaining about such, that gets me mad

Here where I am from such guy would get beaten till he is ded

[manic juniper]

Thing is they recognise that Welsh, Scots and Englishmen are different but except a minority most aren't against unity

[wispy cedar]

There they have free pass, and that is something I can't stand

[manic juniper]

If UK was in the Balkans you'll already get three or four new countries

[thorny steeple]

Who's that minority against the union?

[wispy cedar]

@quick musk overall certain elements in the modern arab culture, I absolutely don't like

However when I see a religious one, obviously that's my akhi

[wispy cedar]

😂👍

[turbid dome]

Nah, even in Northern Ireland a majority are still pro-UK

[manic juniper]

Scots mostly but there are Welsh and others against it too, they are just irrelevant

Scots are the only ones with a significant anti-UK sentiment

[turbid dome]

Like if they weren’t nationalistic then there wouldn’t be a desire to keep Northern Ireland,

[thorny steeple]

Agreed, long live the United Kingdom of Great Britain and northern Ireland lol

[manic juniper]

Still not enough

[manic juniper]

What do other Brits think about it

[thorny steeple]

They be needing the Welsh and Irish

[turbid dome]

They’re in line or more unionist than Northern Ireland

[quick musk]

But it's the same in the middle east, he'll be beaten so badly
But in case he's her husband sadly many would just ignore and say it's a family problem

[wispy cedar]

I mean what sort of harassment could be the case between a wife and a husband 💀

[quick musk]

i don't really get what you mean by Arab culture if not religion 😭

[thorny steeple]

Certainly can't that bad ☠️

[manic juniper]

I'd be in favour of a Nordic supercountry IF it also leads to unified Sámi representation

[wispy cedar]

That might be the case for Syria, but Egypt and Iraq, haayııır

[manic juniper]

How cool would that be

[wispy cedar]

Ya Allah...

insha'Allah I'ma explain that to you in priv

Idw to further bury the arabs here 😭

[thorny steeple]

Balto-scandia my beloved where are you!!!

[thorny steeple]

Very lol

[quick musk]

it's like you see something i can't see😭

Maybe the Arabs you're talking to are just exaggerating or generalizing

[wispy cedar]

Sometime Ima take u to here and u see it with ur own eyes

Otherwise Idek how to explain

Idk

[thorny steeple]

Lmao smart idea

[wispy cedar]

I just don't like Arabs

Not the history, not the legacy, not the language,

Crazy enough, I love these all 😭

[turbid dome]

If it adds a new state that is all of the Sami land then sure

[quick musk]

Turkish mentality

[thorny steeple]

Lmao

[wispy cedar]

Like gosh, it is the most beautiful of all languages, sincerely

[manic juniper]

Better but not quite realistic, I think a more relevant council could become a reality

[thorny steeple]

Is he Turkish??

[manic juniper]

Maybe if the EU becomes federal they will get their own state

[quick musk]

Nah but infected with the Turkish virus

[wispy cedar]

And the Khilafa, ofc başım üste yeri var

[wispy cedar]

It has nothing to do with Turks really

[quick musk]

So are you referring to modern Arabs? The modern ones are bad

[turbid dome]

Maybe, I’ll join you if you want to create a group of Sami seperatists to create a new seperate Sami state in the new Nordic league

[quick musk]

where were you raised? in Poland?

[manic juniper]

What did they do

[wispy cedar]

The norms in modern arabic communities are what I call "arab culture", and obviously not Islam.

Be it in Gulf or Egypt, ofcourse each territory with its own separate problems

[quick musk]

i don't really know, he seems to have the wrong idea about Arabs like harassing women and such

[thorny steeple]

Understandable

[wispy cedar]

Bro 💀

[quick musk]

😂😂😂

[manic juniper]

But you also said they are bad unless you referred to his thought

[quick musk]

oh i meant from his view 😭just wanted to see if he hates the ethnicity or their culture

[wispy cedar]

That's the funny thing which is that,

When someone is trash talking about arabs or turks, I defend them

When someone is praising them or something else, I talk against them

A friend of mine who is a polish revert told me that u just like to argue with people 😂

[manic juniper]

Oh

[quick musk]

Me with the Kurds too

[wispy cedar]

The MODERN NORMS EXCEPT certain countries like Syria, Falasteen, Algeria and ofc YEMENN

I love Yemen

Faith is Yemeni said the Rasoolallah s.a.w

Anyway y'all, good talk

I hope I won't miss my bus tomorrow..

[quick musk]

güle güle i still don't get ur point but at least you don't sound like a racist

[wispy cedar]

Yalla, iyi geceler, tatlı rüyalar @quick musk @manic juniper @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Take care Al!

[quick musk]

iyi geceler

[wispy cedar]

Hahaha 👋

Güle güle dedinya

Neyse... Boş ver

[quick musk]

sorun ne

[thorny steeple]

U grew mustache?🥰

U look beautiful at everything 😏

[unkempt ingot]

TURKISH MENTIONED AUU

[thorny steeple]

As a member of the Serious Chat's Khanate I'd like to add that

[turbid dome]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/debt-ridden-eilat-port-hurt-by-houthi-blockade-seeks-aid-to-help-it-stay-afloat/

Bozos going bankrupt

Even Israeli press is admitting it's the houthis

[thorny steeple]

So what's the position of this port? Like how much important to the Israeli economy is it?

[turbid dome]

It's the only Israeli port on the red sea and so it is extremely important

[thorny steeple]

Well if it closes then they're cooked

[turbid dome]

their economy is already falling, it's about to get much worse

[thorny steeple]

I'm wonder what're they doing to save it or let it fail

[turbid dome]

no way they let it fail

[thorny steeple]

Seems like it

[turbid dome]

Even then they don't have a choice, if it's not getting 90% of its shipments then saving it isn't extremely useful except as power projection

[thorny steeple]

They wouldn't want the collapse of a Chunk of their economy but if something happens that ignores it then they're cooked

[turbid dome]

yup

[thorny steeple]

Agreed but couldn't they get shipping from the Suez canal?

[bronze oxide]

Bro Suez canal has nothing to do with this

[turbid dome]

The reason they’re not going through the Red Sea is because of the Houthis, Suez doesn’t matter, they are currently heading all the way around Africa and Gibraltar to get to Israel, which is making everything worse for them

[bronze oxide]

U can open Google maps to understand what I mean

Shitty occupying zionist entity

[thorny steeple]

Yeah the houthis in Yemen forgot Welp, well increased expenses could they lower the amount isreal imports?

[turbid dome]

Idk about lowering imports as I haven’t looked at that but it’s like a half month or so longer to go around Africa and the increased cost is passed to the consumer so the economy is hurting either way

[thorny steeple]

Yeah so by estimate how much would the economy survive till it becomes unsustainable or collapses?

[turbid dome]

No idea, this probably won’t do it in though, for that it would need Mediterranean disruptions, like Gibraltar, or South Africa to begin stopping ships heading around the cape

[thorny steeple]

So another pandemic worse than the one in twenty-twenty, yeah in globalized economy we live life would be chaos if it collapsed ngl

[turbid dome]

Israeli economy collapsing would be overall good tbh, maybe then they would be forced to not do genocide

US too

[thorny steeple]

Yeah the things they're doing in Gaza would be over, maybe they be forced to change their ways

[ember kelp]

Hey friends

Whats up

I think everyone is busy

[sharp creek]

why would you like to find a mongol person, its an unpopular asian country i think?

hahaha im silly

[hidden shore]

I think people believe in religion, they have common thing is , when they meet someone or lover they will thank gods , because they think god send those people to them

[thorny steeple]

So are you religious 🧐

[hidden shore]

Nope 😭

[hidden shore]

Am i wrong, i think religious people do think like that

[thorny steeple]

Alrighty

[thorny steeple]

Nahh that's the way it's been pre modern science 🧪

[hidden shore]

Like imagine if you fell in love a Muslim girl, and you said it’s god will, she will love you😹

[sharp creek]

omg

[ionic merlin]

hello zinx.
thanks for taking part in my research.
i ll be putting a link to a survey, hope you will take the time to respond.

[winter echo]

Jesus is a Muslim

And he's born in palastine

[hidden shore]

Jesus lived about 600 years before Islam as a religion from in 1 century, Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century CE

[hidden shore]

So you are descended of jesus

[lofty hound]

I think I know u, ur from english

[lime cobalt]

They both is jews

[native mango]

the Arabic word "muslim مسلم ,"
meaning "one who submits" or "one who surrenders" to the will of God

[hidden shore]

Let God guide me and follows god’s guidance

[native mango]

May Allah guide all of us

[hidden shore]

May ?

[native mango]

Don't focus too much in my English

[native mango]

What's the right way to say it (if you don't mind)

[lofty hound]

wish

[native mango]

Thanks

[prisma pike]

Nothing is serious guys, grow up

[native mango]

There are plenty of serious things

[prisma pike]

Trust me brother

[native mango]

People's death is serious

[prisma pike]

Nobody really cares. Even if you die today, everyone who knows you will forget eventually. A few might show up, say 'ahh', and then four days later, they’ll move on and enjoy life — including your own family. Suiiiii

[main bison]

6 months since Trump took the office and he still didn't fix the Gaza and Ukrainian war problems 💔
He promised he'd do it under 1 day

[prisma pike]

🙆🏻‍♂️

[hidden shore]

Just take off “may”

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[wispy cedar]

Israel? What's that 😂

[lofty hound]

murderer

[magic olive]

Legends Never Die

[versed edge]

In 10000 years nobody will be remembered so why waste life killing each other

[sharp creek]

i m glad to do it, send me the link

[prisma pike]

Yhh one day will come when our name will be spoken for the last time.

[versed edge]

Exactly. Life is about making the most of what you have.

[wispy cedar]

What is the meaning of life, everyone.

[atomic ferry]

life is the most powerfull think of end life, gift by god

[wispy cedar]

Sorry, didn't get what you mean

[atomic ferry]

why

then?

[uncut tiger]

Life is the only way to death.

[feral river]

those are not a problem

wanna end the war ? that's easy just crash the terrorists and Russian separatists

[shy summit]

Enough

New topic before Mine starts growing a charlie chaplin stache

[feral river]

I don't think Trump's plan is ever gonna be realized

Trump Gaza no.1 total bullshit

just leave that to Israelis

[feral river]

im not a fascist

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-lies-no-gif-25356240

[thorny steeple]

Diet based on plants

[thorny steeple]

Are you not

[shy summit]

You act like it..

[native mango]

All terrorist organizations that have succeeded in achieving country rule in the Middle East changed and began to normalize relations with America (except Afghanistan)
I guess all of the terrorist organizations are American made (except in Palestine I'm not sure about all of them )
By the way I don't think hamas is a terrorist organization

[river nimbus]

guys is dating haram in Islam? specifically a Muslim man and a Catholic woman. Like can i get facts that actually are BASED on Qur'an

i'm curious

[prisma pike]

Nope

As long as the relationship is halal and they’re willing to marry

[river nimbus]

what if marriage after 10 years?

[prisma pike]

That doesn't matter Jen, as long as they don't do anything haram like kissing, sex, drinking, partying, or being overly physical before marriage.

[river nimbus]

kissing is haram?

[prisma pike]

Yhh

[river nimbus]

oh hell i really might re think my decision

[native mango]

You can't do a relationship with a girl in Islam

[river nimbus]

can you elaborate?

[prisma pike]

Yepp

[wispy cedar]

Adyge flag 🔥

[native mango]

Haram by the way touching is also haram he can't touch even your hand

[prisma pike]

But that depends on person to person

[native mango]

@river nimbus

[prisma pike]

And to marry a Christian girl, she has to convert to Islam.

[river nimbus]

what is the majority?

[river nimbus]

ok so i have to marry him, yea

[fierce plover]

in every abrahamic religion it is like that

[wispy cedar]

Bro don't add up things to the religion, that's nonsense

[native mango]

Nobe

[prisma pike]

You sure?

[native mango]

Yes

[wispy cedar]

Yes

[prisma pike]

A christian girl can marry a Muslim guy without converting.

[native mango]

Muslim man can marry Cristian woman
But Muslim women can't marry Cristian man

[wispy cedar]

Nobody has to convert, marrying ahl-al-kitab is made halal for us

[prisma pike]

Yhh but I'm talking about conversation

[wispy cedar]

Absolutely

[native mango]

No

[fierce plover]

Its related to females, woman cant marry someone whos not muslim , he gotta convert, male can tho

[prisma pike]

That's what I was saying

[native mango]

She don't have to

[prisma pike]

Wallah you sure?

[wispy cedar]

Heavy discussions regarding fiqh

[native mango]

Yes I'm

[prisma pike]

I could start a war right here

[wispy cedar]

😂

[wispy cedar]

I swear upon your Lord and my Lord that that which we say is true

[prisma pike]

Man teach something about Islam to this little guy

[native mango]

Bro if she will convert then there is no problem from the beginning the situation will be Muslim male marrying Muslim woman

[wispy cedar]

I say that the girl doesn't have to convert

She can stay a Christian, no problem

[prisma pike]

Yhh i know

[prisma pike]

Really?