🧠｜serious-chat

[fresh flower]

It was a friends of friends type of thing

Uhhh from like 16 to 18

5 years ago

21, we live separately, we're both broke uni students

[winter echo]

Having foreign debts 82% of gdp
The Eu is drowning in debts

[fresh flower]

Sweden, and we take turns, I more or less live alone since my dad is home (Literally) once a week, she has her small uni dorm

So many questions bro 😭😭😭

Yes, she has clothes here too

She has stolen some of my hoodies too

[ionic merlin]

?!?!?! looks like you think capitalism pays for itself or what?

how do you think the rich get richer

no, thankfully not.

[fresh flower]

Very close, 30 minute walk, like 8 minutes if I drive

[ionic merlin]

becuase money brings rot

indeed it is.

what does he need to know all that for?

[fresh flower]

Yes, we go to different unis though, our class schedules rarely match

[ionic merlin]

i dont think we need to start that because you are going to ask me to prove things

[blissful hinge]

Damn ofc u r a tweeter user 😭 😭

[ionic merlin]

lol, olivander, how about you invite him to yours for a month and lend him your girl too?

dont reply

[fresh flower]

3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, kitchen, living room and a small room that I just use for my gaming pc

[ionic merlin]

olivsnder, this doesnt look healthy

[fresh flower]

We do, a small attic too

[ionic merlin]

in a minute he is going to ask what you are wearing

[fresh flower]

No, I only shitpost while sitting in front of a window staring at my garden

[ionic merlin]

lol

olivander , what are you wearing?

[fresh flower]

Uhhhh I got no idea, it's not that big

[ionic merlin]

can you feel my hands?

[fresh flower]

Just shorts 💀💀💀

[ionic merlin]

lol

[fresh flower]

Yes, they know me too🙏🏻

[ionic merlin]

that ship has sailed...

[fresh flower]

Good, they like me, I'm not weird irl just online, they approve of me

She does, she has met them both

[ionic merlin]

not yet.

[fresh flower]

Yes of course

[ionic merlin]

probably another year or two. 18 seems a bit young brainwise

[fresh flower]

Haram 🚫🚫🚫🚫

[winter echo]

You know know I'm not very bright, say it in a way I can understand

[ionic merlin]

sure, we tend to like older people when we are young and younger people when we are old

[fresh flower]

Why would we sleep in different beds? 😭

Bro 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[ionic merlin]

why do yo need to point the debt level?
it is part and parcel of a modern capitalist system, there s nothing surprising about it.
and 82% isnt shocking

[fresh flower]

Let's just cut to the chase, I'm wearing white underwear

[ionic merlin]

lacey?

[fresh flower]

Hell yeah 😋

[ionic merlin]

i just fell in love!

[fresh flower]

Because she's on a family trip 💔

Her relatives

She doesn't have discord thank god 🙏🏻

[winter echo]

And is not that people are living above their means and
Mismanaging resources?

[fresh flower]

No, our relationship isn't that fragile 😭😭😭

[ionic merlin]

sure but everyone knows that. it s part of the capitalist agenda to enslave the masses

[fresh flower]

No 🙏🏻

He's a man-whore 😭

[ionic merlin]

dont be too nice to her, it doesnt work.
i stopped being nice to my wife and she is a lot more attentive now

[fresh flower]

I have nothing to hide, my phone is unlocked and so is hers, we don't check each others though, we don't have that distrust

[ionic merlin]

man, she is going to walk all over you!

[fresh flower]

I don't have a reason to not be nice to her though

[fresh flower]

No 😭😭😭

[ionic merlin]

treat them mean, keep them keen.
ever heard that one?

[fresh flower]

It doesn't sound like you have a relationship

Why are you giving advice then😭😭😭😭

[winter echo]

Someone have trust issues

[ionic merlin]

my first went to hongkong with one of my staff and spent to mights thee with him, then gavehim 3000usd

[fresh flower]

No lmao 😭😭😭😭

You being unable to keep your gf satisfied and her ending up cheating on you doesn't mean others will too

That's like me taking gym advice from a fat person

[prisma coral]

heyoooooooo

[ionic merlin]

@fresh flower , please allow me to say , as a man with a little more experience,
youare too nice, that is not a good approach

[fresh flower]

She'll cheat on you too it seems like 😭😭😭

[ionic merlin]

i like you and i really wish you are not going to have to go through that, but trusting women is not the way to go.

[fresh flower]

Bro's projecting 😭😭😭

[winter echo]

Someone can't even last 2mins but he's complaining t his gfs cheated on him

[fresh flower]

I'm sorry you don't trust your gf and think she might cheat on you bro, I hope your relationship track record gets better 🙏🏻

[winter echo]

Its already doomed to fail

[fresh flower]

I'm NOT taking relationship advice from yall😭🙏🏻

[ionic merlin]

THIS is an unusually polite conversation

[winter echo]

Don't you think he's the problem?

[fresh flower]

Dw bro go install a spy app on your gf before she cheats on you😭😭😭😭

[ionic merlin]

lets get @manic juniper to bring a bit of spice and dirt

[fresh flower]

Invest this time in your relationship instead of others, maybe this one won't feel dissatisfied and cheat on you

I'm just looking out for yall🙏🏻

Abdul ping me so I can say that the only way for you to get into a relationship is through Juju

[winter echo]

How to maintain a relationship course
$10000
@steady zinc you need that to take that course

[fresh flower]

I'm not 😭🙏🏻

Bro's just projecting his insecurities and assumptions 😭

[winter echo]

@fresh flower What is juju?

[quiet prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1350747322912473189/1394461385844457594/0714.gif

[sharp creek]

you are talking about shit

[low nexus]

Jujutsu kaisen

https://youtu.be/xuZuyg_DyQU?si=Mpj4YGjXsGKvdqLR

[fresh flower]

Dw about it bro go get cheated on again😭🙏🏻

Give us advice once your girlfriends stop cheating on you for better men 🙏🏻💖

[warped meteor]

He died

[high raven]

😭😭😭

[ionic merlin]

are we supposed to grieve?

[winter echo]

Someone's going to loose 50% of his fortunes for stupidity
https://x.com/BuzzingPop/status/1945814211235328294?t=ZNP1b7MXC8EFuDT5Lpu01A&s=19

Buzzing Pop (@BuzzingPop)

Coldplay puts CEO of Astronomer and Head of HR on jumbotron looking cozy during their concert.

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[ionic merlin]

makes you wonder...

[agile night]

hello

[solemn pawn]

penguinz0 did vid about it

[formal pilot]

She is jacked

They look siblings 😭

[sharp creek]

haha are you serious a clear boy dream living in the us

[fresh flower]

Finally some good news

[thorny steeple]

Fr good news it seems like

[uncut tiger]

Wdym

What's going on in Estonia

[ionic merlin]

hey, i have a question

most of you here are on the young side, right?

how come younger generations dont actually threaten political classes with future prosecution for their inaction regading climate change?

[manic juniper]

Many Russians left Estonia just few days ago

[uncut tiger]

We're goin' to mars bish!

[ionic merlin]

en masse?

[uncut tiger]

I see

How does that matter tho

[uncut tiger]

What's the problem in that?

[fresh flower]

The avg IQ of Estonia went up🙏🏻💯

Alcohol sales took a severe hit

[ionic merlin]

i m fine withthat, no worries.
just asking. place will be quieter, i have no objections

[manic juniper]

Things that happened in Estonia

[uncut tiger]

what the hell

[manic juniper]

Probably just by a little, knowing how Estonians operate

[uncut tiger]

Why did they leave though

[manic juniper]

They prefer Russia or they want to move to Russia

[dapper laurel]

Many Russians aren't even well regarded in the Baltics

[fresh flower]

They're bad but they're not orcs

[uncut tiger]

there are both good and bad people in every ethnic group

[dapper laurel]

But it doesn't appear to be just a fraction of the population in this case

[thorny steeple]

Makes sense why Lithuania didn't want kaliningrad

[uncut tiger]

are you russian?

[dapper laurel]

Perhaps because they feared future clashes with Russia

[dapper laurel]

No

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[feral river]

imagine having avg IQ but being a puppet state/part of Soviet Union in before then the United States at now

[thorny steeple]

Certainly or a Russian take over of Lithuania

[thorny steeple]

Hello and welcome to serious chat

[feral river]

power one conquers everyone this is the world order

[thorny steeple]

Nice to see u again 😅

[fresh flower]

💔💔💔

[high raven]

He got you there Minecraft

You have to say something, you cannot let that slide

[thorny steeple]

Fr but this is the 21st century though

[thorny steeple]

Chillax bro he probably doesn't work at temu

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-gif-22219180

[dapper laurel]

I swear it would have been a better place if it were Lithuanian. Lithuania has spent EU funds well to modernize its cities

[thorny steeple]

Definitely a massively missed opportunity

[dapper laurel]

Yes, it is the only strategic point that the Russians have in the Baltics

Even though that city was supposed to be German or at most Polish

[thorny steeple]

A far-cry of when they controlled the baltics

[dapper laurel]

Neither Lithuanian nor Russian

[thorny steeple]

Yeah Stalin did some works around lmao

[thorny steeple]

Would it had been possible for Stalin to deport all the German population of east Germany?

[dapper laurel]

What do you mean?

Deport where?

[fresh flower]

😭😭😭😭

[thorny steeple]

Did Stalin had the power to depart the entire east German population to somewhere in the USSR?

[dapper laurel]

No, he wouldn't have succeeded, the population there was simply too high and well-established. It is true that many Germans were relocated from Poland or were forced to emigrate to other parts of Germany, but to do such a thing would have required a logistical effort similar to that of the holocaust

[feral river]

tbh it's not that hard to achieve that in USSR

but it's unnecessary

what's the exact point to do that ?

for what ?

I don't know why you guys are used to think there's something has to be done because you have a random pretext

[dapper laurel]

Yes, there is literally no reason to do such a thing

[thorny steeple]

Definitely

[feral river]

everybody is working for their interest, and there's no interest to deport german pops in SU

[dapper laurel]

It was just a what if

[feral river]

even for the Soviet bureaucrats

[thorny steeple]

Massive what if, but imagine Stalin was angrier because of operation barbarossa

[feral river]

it reminds me we deported Japanese pops who live in China after we won the Chinese Civil War

[dapper laurel]

Is there still a lot of anger towards the Japanese in China?

[feral river]

maybe it's not a good idea but the effect was quite stunning and nobody resist they simply go back to where they are

[feral river]

that is prohibited publicly if you discriminate a group of people

also we don't have such ethnic discrimination laws that would support such radical act against other people and foreigners

[thorny steeple]

Well that's surprising for certain

[feral river]

but that depends if they are doing something for their right to autonomy against the authority that was another question

so it basically means, it's not we are oppressing uyhgurs because they are muslims and they follow their tradition or something nonsense you can see that in Tibet

but they are grouping, launching terrorist attacks, and fight against our authority in every way they can in our sovereign territory

also CIA was participated in this, it's a national security issue

but for appealing that idea of ensuring sovereignty over the region and strengthen our leadership, we must do something about their culture and restructure their trait, including outlaw some religious group activities

then it becomes we oppress them because they have their independent culture and traits, but the real case was because they have independent culture and traits then they used to gather up against us, then we have to crack down on them

you see a lot minorities who are also muslims but Hui muslims or some other minority in Yunnan who are even the party members are not feeling being oppressed at all

and we don't have to do that

also it's not hard to do enforce some strict control on these pops, we have modern tech and we have the absolute power that could reach every corner of the country, and we don't need to follow the due process

so it's very efficient as what you can see on the tv or youtube

whoever openly fight against us in our territory was immediately disappeared

but what about the most people ? well most people do support they do this because they also hate terrorists and these guy who try to separate our nation's territory

even they don't support, they can do nothing about it

[formal pilot]

I ain't reading aladat

🥻

[thorny steeple]

Agreed Broski lol

[placid parrot]

I'm serious, people

[high raven]

Cute outfit

[fierce plover]

Are there any christians here? I wanna ask some advice

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel

[high raven]

Yes

[manic juniper]

Not amongst the Sámi, all of them are good

[thorny steeple]

Damn that's very rare then

[sharp creek]

here you are, my friend said your fuuking gov is going to control the delivery food s price, because its too cheap now

never heard before, your gov is disgusting

they claimed cheap food is kind of monopoly

lmao

[dapper laurel]

I'm not the perfect person for this

I am the first of sinners, giving advice of faith would be arrogant

[thorny steeple]

Interesting take

Anyways how's ya today

[dapper laurel]

I ate too much pasta and now my stomach hurts

[thorny steeple]

Yeah don't always over do it lol

[dapper laurel]

I eat pasta every day for lunch and dinner

With any kind of combination

[thorny steeple]

Well damn doesn't that get monotonous?

[dapper laurel]

Tell my Italian mother

I can't help it, it's like it's the national dish

[thorny steeple]

Lol post bon appetit

[thorny steeple]

Well what's the best and worst combos?

[dapper laurel]

I think I ate the worst today

Pasta and squid

[thorny steeple]

Lol I guess once in awhile then

[spiral gazelle]

hi guys

[high raven]

Hello Cici

[spiral gazelle]

how ruu

[high raven]

I'm doing well, how about yourself?

[solemn eagle]

Hiii

[ember kelp]

Hello

[autumn violet]

yes

[thorny steeple]

Hii

[ember kelp]

Yo

[autumn violet]

maybe! thanks for the interpretation that was really interesting

[dapper laurel]

Invictus is back in business

[real vale]

The biggest religion in the world consider people to be born with a sin which can be forgiven after baptism

[hot leaf]

Nuke every IDF base

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[thorny steeple]

Amen he's back lol

Hey man can you tell me which one of those boxes say sandbox? @feral river

[winter echo]

The chosen people

[olive herald]

I hay is the picture about

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-cat-glorp-cat-glerp-alien-gif-1655357165594988381

[turbid dome]

signing bombs

[olive herald]

Oh why

[turbid dome]

show of support, like this ghoul, former US UN Ambassador

[olive herald]

Oh bad and sad

Finish them ☠️☠️☠️☠️

[turbid dome]

Yeah 💀

[olive herald]

Heyyyy finished them 💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽💅🏽 ☠️

[turbid dome]

#girlsforgenocide

[olive herald]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-cat-glorp-cat-glerp-alien-gif-1655357165594988381

[static oxide]

Hi does anyone here work remotely or does freelance work?

[high raven]

I do the former some days of the week, never had any experience with freelancing though

[feral river]

the fourth one from the up to down

what's that game I never see this GUI

[feral river]

there's no such resolution has confirmed the situation in Israeli Gaza is genocide

it's being make up by the people who would say it

[turbid dome]

Yeah well UN resolutions are political, the UN has however recognized numerous other human rights violations, and their rapporteurs have found there to be genocide, as well as consensus of genocide scholars.

[feral river]

well everything is political, it was part of the power struggle in the middle east

[turbid dome]

Yeah exactly, genocide is political, it’s just whether you’re pro or against

[feral river]

but look deeper than that you would start to see what's nonsense and what's the real rule behind all of this

[turbid dome]

Yeah it’s just US interest

[feral river]

calling Israel is doing genocide is part of anti-semitism

[turbid dome]

Not at all

[feral river]

it is by political meaning

it's political as you said

I don't even think anti-semitism or the opposite would have some back besides that few media was acquired by certain political individuals would spread such propaganda

[turbid dome]

Only if you go with government definitions by governments who are aligned with Israel, and even then calling it genocide isn’t considered antisemitism

[feral river]

it's being faked by the people themselves to hide their eye and see how they are going to change the world by the real rule

[turbid dome]

😭

[feral river]

which one confirmed they are doing genocide besides the arabs

[buoyant sorrel]

ISRAEL IS DOING GENOCIDE.

[feral river]

we don't confirm they are doing genocide as China

[turbid dome]

Who cares what any government is saying, they’re all politically motivated

[buoyant sorrel]

hope this helps

[feral river]

yeah but they have political power to influence people and use that as leverage to strike a deal with nations

[buoyant sorrel]

lol

[feral river]

the people or the entity which doesn't have political power is not worth being considered in this situation

[buoyant sorrel]

wow

[turbid dome]

Probably because China’s business with Israel is more important to China than morality to them, doesn’t mean there isn’t a genocide, just that it’s in their best interest to not acknowledge it

[feral river]

you mean objectively they are doing a genocide ?

not by other definitions or other political shit

[turbid dome]

If you care about nations, those in The Hague group

[turbid dome]

Yes

[buoyant sorrel]

its been so many months if you dont see the genocide even now youre straight up blind

[feral river]

I see, what else

[turbid dome]

Also American voters just elected Trump instead of Harris with the genocide serving as a litmus test for a change candidate in many respects, it played a role in choosing the most powerful person in the world.

[feral river]

except some terrorism sponsors and arab nations which are being robbed by their public opinion, what else

[buoyant sorrel]

terrorism excuse me?

[feral river]

yeah I think Harris would risk that and that damage the US interest

[buoyant sorrel]

and who is blinded by their government

[feral river]

not a good idea

national interest above all

[turbid dome]

https://thehaguegroup.org/home/

also Spain and Ireland

[feral river]

neither of these countries have strong political influence or stay relevant on the global stage

[turbid dome]

Also a political term used to describe those who oppose the government

[feral river]

fair enough I never deny that was not political

that is political

[turbid dome]

Combined with all in The Hague group, Spain and Yemen and South Africa have control over global trade

[feral river]

they don't control over the global trade ?

[turbid dome]

Spain is near the strait of Gibraltar, Yemen the Red Sea and Suez, and South Africa the southernmost point of Africa

[feral river]

Spain was just a weak tourism economy state in the EU, Yemen is the battlefield, South Africa doesn't have that amount of trade with other countries ?

[turbid dome]

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/large-world-shipping-routes-map-260nw-120091480.jpg

they are next to three of the most important trade nodes

[feral river]

that one was quite concerning actually good point but guess what today our ships and Americans ships are basically taking over the position and maintaining these area for regional stability one of their important national interest

also Spain is part of the NATO, Yemen has a very weak government and they are having a civil war, they basically don't have the capacity to shut down the strait, South Africa won't do that shit for their own struggle and economy

last time South Africa try to have nukes, you know what happened next

[high raven]

What

SA does have nukes

[feral river]

once

[high raven]

They disarmed?

[feral river]

yeah under strong interference by superpowers

[high raven]

Moronic choice, honestly

[feral river]

they have to do that they don't want to see the Cape colony came back to these region again

[turbid dome]

Spain hasn’t done much yet tbf, though I think they denied Israeli arms ships access to their ports.

Yemen is still punishing the Israelis and actively sinking and capturing ships despite its situation, and the US spending billions to try and stop them. South Africa has been conducting court cases which serve to shift public opinion, and create pressure on governments to drop their support for Israel

[feral river]

well you know Yemen's situation right ? they are weaker than Hamas

[turbid dome]

Horrible decision, nukes are sovereignty as other nations have to respect them

[turbid dome]

Yet despite that they’re still impacting global trade

[feral river]

last time US bombers can't really find target in Yemen

[feral river]

nah they are not really causing huge disruption, just making another hype point

[turbid dome]

It’s enough of a disruption that the US military feels a need to engage

[feral river]

well that is enough to attract some fighters jets and bombers from the US and UK

[turbid dome]

That’s something

[feral river]

and not surprisingly they bombed

[feral river]

yeah because why not

MIC is here as long as the war operation happens everybody takes profit especially the guy who are in the congress

[turbid dome]

If it was nothing the US would leave it up to regional actors to deal with, the fact they are directly involved shows it’s important

[feral river]

and that benefit the US

[feral river]

it is important but they don't have this serious capacity to make this more important than ever

it's just another random bomb operation that everybody would thrill to take profit from 10000 USD fish can with millions of bullets and bombs

I mean I really can't find another reason besides why not

it's ultra-beneficial for capitalists, businessmans, bureaucrats

and they rule the country

[thorny steeple]

Thanks man, it's a Chinese Age of history 2 beta mod base on The new order mod from hearts of iron 4

[feral river]

I see

[thorny steeple]

Yeppers

[high raven]

Speaking of China

My Lian Li case arrived today, I've finally decided to make my pc pretty instead of hidden away

[thorny steeple]

Well that's nice

[feral river]

the state of the center of the world

that's the real name of China

[thorny steeple]

Isn't it Zhongguo?

[feral river]

Zhongguo means the state of the center of the world

I would call my country PRC instead

[thorny steeple]

Yeah the great People's Republic of China

[feral river]

because there's another China which is the ROC

[feral river]

🇨🇳 🇹🇼

both are our flags look how beautiful it was

one's five star flag each star represent different social class of the people and the greater one was the Chinese Communist Party

[thorny steeple]

Well Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai shek China's

[feral river]

one's blue sky white sun flag, the white sun representing the Kuomintang Party, blue present consitutionalism and red represent the Chinese people

[feral river]

yeah exactly

these flag are quite similar in ideas even, both used a greater symbol to represent the political party, one's Chinese Communist Party, one's Kuomintang which is the Chinese Nationalist Party

[thorny steeple]

Fr the communists vs the nationalists

[manic juniper]

Good but removing the dragon was a mistake

[thorny steeple]

Well there was no more imperial dynasty

Unless you count the empire of China that lasted some 4 months or something

[plush surge]

not a serious generation for a serious chat 😢

[wispy cedar]

Which bratuxa has pinged me and for what reason

Veganism is a funny thing, people have even debated about it?

[turbid dome]

Communist dragon would be dope

[manic juniper]

Dragons are the ultimate individualists

[turbid dome]

Yes which is why it would be impossible and therefore impressive

[wispy cedar]

Aaaa using em researches that tell you eating redmeat causes cancer or sum 😂

[turbid dome]

Aerospace could be interesting

[wispy cedar]

I shelter to Allah.. what is this..

[turbid dome]

Is this yours?

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately it isn't

[turbid dome]

Rip

[wispy cedar]

What do you need this for, to ward of tax collectors?

[turbid dome]

While it looks petty and insignificant, how many of these exist compared to how many nukes exist? Therefore, the scarcity increases the value and it’s more valuable than a nuclear weapon, @manic juniper am I right with my newfound very real understanding of economics?

[manic juniper]

Indeed, the actual value of the Snowbeast Award is insanely high since it's bestowed upon the worst performers

[wispy cedar]

Snowbeast 1 : Nukes 0

[fresh flower]

Second

So you actually get a job

[fringe temple]

Stay unemployed

[high raven]

Two good takes

[wispy cedar]

The name screams Polska

😂

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-no-no-no-gif-15094791629266170630

[fringe temple]

It is a polish goal keeper

[wispy cedar]

Ru polish

[feral river]

how our superior species of human should put a low class basters on our great flag

[fringe temple]

Nahh

[feral river]

every species that can't be used and benefit human should be immediately eliminated

[wispy cedar]

Tell me you are Chinese without telling me you are Chinese 😂

[feral river]

the only way to revive the nation is to ruthlessly crack down the enemy from inside

including low class other species basters

[fringe temple]

Bro. This mf lifeless. I'm telling u

[wispy cedar]

Ja pierdzielę

[proud cobalt]

What's the best way to improve accent

[gritty echo]

speaking

[wispy cedar]

Consume content spoken in that specific accent and then practice it

"Brada , Australia don't have... Wrestling"

[proud cobalt]

I tried, still have a bad accent, maybe I'll try more

[wispy cedar]

"Send him 2-3 years Dagestan, and forget"

[proud cobalt]

Literally all my feeds are English content

[wispy cedar]

Indian?

[proud cobalt]

Arab

[wispy cedar]

Ya Allah..

BBBbleaze brozer 😂

Dude arab accent isn't the worst

We've got Indian, which sounds annoying when heard consistently

Russian, which is... Threating

[proud cobalt]

It's just what other told me

They say they barely can understand me

[wispy cedar]

Oh well, just keep working

And also ignore the Americans dude

They can't even communicate amongst one another...

Also the Scottish as well

They don't even speak English at that point

[feral river]

our Chinese are proud of we are achieving people's absolute domination against other species

[proud cobalt]

That's what I'm trying to do

[wispy cedar]

Other species like fellow Chinese people...?

[feral river]

our human is the only true superior species

[wispy cedar]

Tell that to Kublai 😂

[proud cobalt]

By humen you mean all races or just the Chinese?

[feral river]

human of all races

[wispy cedar]

Just abother ghabia

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that's for sure

But there is only one race and it's humen

[wispy cedar]

Human*

[feral river]

race is another thing don't confuse it with species

[thorny steeple]

A better sentence would be: race is an artificial concept made awhile ago

[feral river]

it is not an artificial concept at all it's all natural dude

your skin has different color not because I'm saying it has, but it reflect the different level of light

[thorny steeple]

You mean phenotypes

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color

[thorny steeple]

Human skin color mate and the article never says in one word, as always Wikipedia isn't a reliable source

[feral river]

what's the reason the result from google is a reliable source in that case

it's all free for you to believe in anything you want, even you can believe it's me created race or whatever who cares I don't give a fuck

I only talked about what's the reality and truth

[thorny steeple]

https://www.sulc.edu/assets/sulc/officeequityinclusiontitleix/RACE.pdf
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/ama-press-releases/new-ama-policies-recognize-race-social-not-biological-construct#:~:text=CHICAGO — In support of efforts,for marginalized and minoritized communities.

[feral river]

who gives a fuck

[thorny steeple]

Citation is always needed bro, history wouldn't be real if citation wasn't a thing y'know

[next marsh]

Race is a social construct, human skin colour is the result of evolutionary adaptation, and so is the size of your nose, etc.

[feral river]

if you can't see the color of the skin just say it bro

who gives a fuck to that citation or definition

[thorny steeple]

Classic 652 reaction lmao

[feral river]

especially from a political group

[thorny steeple]

Definitely

[feral river]

why the fuck people would believe something that is coming from a political group

[next marsh]

AMA policies are essential to prevent potential common sources of misinformation in academic articles and ensure consistency 😭

[feral river]

my question is, who gives a fuck ?

[thorny steeple]

Political group?

[feral river]

can you answer that

[next marsh]

These are not political groups.

Oops, replied to the wrong message. But anyway

[thorny steeple]

The academic circles do

[feral river]

they are ass groups which are supported by certain political group even worse

[next marsh]

If you say so 😭

[thorny steeple]

Definitely

[feral river]

I suddenly understood why we historically would always imprison or prosecute these people when the power struggle happens

it makes a lot of sense now

[thorny steeple]

Fr they can't be left alive, or they take over lmao

[feral river]

I never see they took over in any countries

did you see one ?

[manic juniper]

Race as a concept doesn't have anything scientific or any backing

It's as much of a science as an ethnicity is

[feral river]

isn't the race about the color of the skin which is genetic

what the fuck

[manic juniper]

No because skin colours can vary a lot across the same population

Turkey, Italy, China, Egypt just to name a few

[feral river]

but you can't born a black kid if you are with a white and you are also white

is that hard to understand ?

[manic juniper]

Yeah but what counts as black or white

Are Komi-Zyrians white or Asian

[feral river]

the nature of color that reflects the certain area of light

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color

[next marsh]

There's always an element of genetic diversity among all humans. When it comes to different races, the differences are far too negligible to classify them as distinct subspecies or whatever you are conjuring up

[thorny steeple]

Good Ole' Russia

[manic juniper]

They live around the Urals, some look like Finnish or Slavic people, others look like Siberian nomads

[feral river]

I mean I'm only talking about race not ethnicities those two are total different concept

[manic juniper]

Wouldn't that make Inuits white because of their skin colour

And some Filipinos would be black

[feral river]

race is about the color of your skin, ethnicity is about the other shit

[manic juniper]

Yes I know I named groups which have very varied skin colours despite being mostly one group

In Egypt most people are either Arabs or Copts, their skin colours vary a lot

And they are just two populations

[feral river]

that could happen under genetic variation

but by number it's few

[manic juniper]

Yes but when does one become white or brown, according to which standard... That depends on what people say

[feral river]

isn't what people are saying is you are black, white or yellow ?

[manic juniper]

Saying Japanese people are white would raise some eyebrows in most places

[feral river]

what else

[manic juniper]

Brown too

[feral river]

yeah that does count one but also colors

and that does relevant to your parents' skin color

that is the fucking race

as I always saying you almost can't born a black kid with another white guy and you are also white

even it exists under genetic variation but still very very few

and the color of your skin was part of the survival struggle which was used for absorb certain light under different environment

why would people in Africa would look like black but mostly in Europe are white ?

I don't think you can explain that by "human concept or social contracts"

[manic juniper]

No but what counts as black or white is really vague and subjective

[feral river]

what

[manic juniper]

When Spaniards arrived in Philippines they thought they found black people, just smaller than the black people they knew

Nowadays no one considers Filipinos to be black

[manic juniper]

Because many Africans don't look black as well

[feral river]

you mean the brown color, or the color between the white and black is vague that I can accept

[manic juniper]

Some of them look like something in between

[feral river]

but the white is the white, black is black

it's like N with S

[manic juniper]

I mean even black people don't really exist. They are really dark brown

[next marsh]

😭

[manic juniper]

But not black

[thorny steeple]

Indeed lol

[manic juniper]

And most white people aren't white, actually white people are really few

[feral river]

wtf but you can't say a pure black african guy a white

[manic juniper]

They are maybe 5% or less of all "white people"

[feral river]

😭

[thorny steeple]

Where are they located then?

[manic juniper]

Many places, just people with pale skin in general

[feral river]

you know what a spectrum is

[next marsh]

I think Isfrun is trying to convey that there are many different shades of colour falling in between black and white human skin colour, they are not 2 constants

[thorny steeple]

Aka Places where the sun shines less it seems like

[manic juniper]

Yes I wouldn't call the colours between white and black as white and black, they are dark gray or light gray

[feral river]

there's one, which was divided to black and white, each one's end was infinity, and the center is 0

[manic juniper]

Most concentrated there but not necessarily

[feral river]

if the guy who's -1 black then he's white

if the guy who's 5 black then he's black

but we can conclude certain area to assign it to different color like brown

isn't that fucking crystal clear to make a difference

[thorny steeple]

Yeah there be other places

[feral river]

okay dark gray was in this part of the spectrum, depends on the color it represent then people would call it black or white

[manic juniper]

Yes that's why it's subjective

[feral river]

but it does fucking black because there is fucking black so they can appear gray

and that was fucking totally genetic

it's fucking totally I mean almost totally genetic

[manic juniper]

Yes but skin colour doesn't form a clade in humans

[thorny steeple]

Can it be a grey area too?

[manic juniper]

It's polyphyletic

Means it's a grouping based off morphology and doesn't have shared ancestry

[manic juniper]

I think not, there are darker skinned people who form a clade but it's too complicated

[thorny steeple]

So how much would polyphyticism affect Us?

[manic juniper]

Do you mean our perception of the world?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah we be into deep scientific jardon lmao

[thorny steeple]

Yeppa

[feral river]

but people do have eye to make a difference based on their color

that's why you would call somebody a black

nobody's in here I mean China call an indian guy white

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't most of the times

[feral river]

holy crap

[manic juniper]

I'd just call him Indian

[feral river]

but can you describe their skin color ?

I think you won't call them white I guess ?

are they white ? I mean

[manic juniper]

Yes

But it's just an attribute, not a race (to me)

Some Indians have black skin

[manic juniper]

No but some have white skin

[feral river]

let me find a pic

is this guy white ?

[manic juniper]

No his skin colour is some sort of dark orange or some shade of brown

[feral river]

so you got what I mean ?

[manic juniper]

But if you want to get how bullshit race is, look up Erin Kellyman

She has white skin but most people say she's black because her father is black

She has white skin and red hair

[feral river]

she's quite white yeah nothing wrong with it

[manic juniper]

But most people say she's black

[feral river]

I have nothing to say some retrd ass

[thorny steeple]

Tbh she looks white instead of black an in the topic of race, when did it started?

[feral river]

even most people in some region would believe in God

what can I say my friend

[manic juniper]

Idk

[tepid solstice]

Being black is a cultural and personal choice i know black people who are whiter than 90% of the white people but they still identify as black. Nothing wrong with it

It also depends on where you grew up

A white person from a dominant black neighbourhood will never be the same as another white person from the suburbs

[feral river]

as far as I know the oil paint is poisonous and are you gonna cover that on your skin to be a black ?

I curious what it will be lmfao

[tepid solstice]

I don't know what that means

[tepid solstice]

If a person said they're black it isn't even all about skin color, at least in America

[feral river]

cool

what else I can say if they don't mean that they are black even if they aren't

[tepid solstice]

In America there are literally white people who identify themselves as black lmao

You'll see them a lot

[thorny steeple]

American people are stupid

[tepid solstice]

I Said it's a cultural identity, you don't have to be looking black to identify as black esp in mixed cultures, it's about how you grow up but officially you're still mixed

[feral river]

I would say it's total bullshit because you simply can't be what you are claimed unless you make yourself as what you claimed

who the fuck gives a shit to what you are claiming I wonder

nobody gives a fuck if you think you are white or even if you have no color but if your skin was like a black, then people would say you are black

that's it

[tepid solstice]

What do you think an African albino will idenfly as

[tepid solstice]

If you have mixed parents then you're mixed, not black not while no matter how you look, but other things like they way you talk, who you grew up with that's the cultural aspects

Look at Milk 74

He's white but in black people see him as one of them

Even uses the n word openly

[thorny steeple]

Allah akabr

[quiet prairie]

Halal

[sharp creek]

bth, i think skin color just due to how long he is exposed to sunlight, just like black people usually pick cotton or hunter in the past

foreign people discriminate people because of some childish reasons

hahaha

get less sunlight, then black become brown , brown become white

in many Asian countries, where the population mainly consists of people with yellow or brown skin tones, wealthier individuals often have lighter skin compared to poorer people who have to work under the sun
additionally, those who enjoy outdoor sports also tend to have darker skin

obviously, if someone want to improve his society status, he should find a way to live with less exposure to sunlight

[turbid dome]

Skin color is largely genetic and due to evolution, darker skin tones are suited to different environments than lighter skin tones. The environment does play a factor in the evolution and within your lifetime, but it’s primarily due to genetics.

For example in the US, despite segregation and slavery, black people and white people lived in identical environments (I’m not referring to the economic or social or political environments, but the climate). Despite this there are still black people who can trace their way to landing in the Americas as a slave from Africa and white people who can trace their way back to colonizing the Americas. Despite living in the same environment the skin tones are wildly different.

[manic juniper]

Greek immigrants always had a darker skin colour than African Americans

Why only Europeans consider the Greeks and Turks to be black

[turbid dome]

Where lol

[manic juniper]

It's true

I'd say Greeks and Turks are the only true black people in the world. The others aren't as black as they are

[turbid dome]

idk how it would be always though, skin color can range quite a bit

[turbid dome]

Are you doing your Finnish meme of everyone without blonde hair and blue eyes is black?

[manic juniper]

No, I'm just stating facts about Greece and Turkey

[turbid dome]

How are they the only black people

[sharp creek]

are they

hahah i used to think they are brown

[quiet prairie]

Hello

[quiet prairie]

Hello

[turbid dome]

Hello

[sharp creek]

hello

[quiet prairie]

wsp

[turbid dome]

wsd? wsw? wstmol?

[formal pilot]

I hate abbreviations because most of the time i don't know what the heck it is supposed to mean

[turbid dome]

That was my point yes

[formal pilot]

We gettin old, how old are you?

[turbid dome]

20, you?

[formal pilot]

I belong to mesozoic era

They say I'm 24

[turbid dome]

Damn alright Mesozoic is really trying to sell yourself as young then

[formal pilot]

Back in my day, this was the source of information

I still have this paper cutout 💀

To counter claims that saddam hossain is still alive

@steep olive

[turbid dome]

Damn people claim that

[formal pilot]

Back in the day it was the only way to counter these claims

[turbid dome]

And yeah I don’t remember ever reading a newspaper except like super old ones, we got some reprints of WW2 newspapers that aged badly

[formal pilot]

My parents might or might not have 911 cutouts

[formal pilot]

Context:
It’s written on paper how deeply saddened and outraged the world was upon hearing about Saddam. In his final moments, he held the Quran in his hand, and on his tongue were the words Allahu Akbar

[turbid dome]

Also didn’t they execute him on some Muslim holy day?

[formal pilot]

It was Eid ul adha, Eid of sacrifice basically 💀

How ironic

[turbid dome]

Yeah

Sacrificing Saddam so that the US could get oil 💀

[formal pilot]

Oil > humans

[manic juniper]

Darkest people in the world

Turks are karaboga

Greeks are basically the same and have always been black

[manic juniper]

Internet explorer be like

Unless this refers to German tourists

[turbid dome]

Ok this i remember

[sharp creek]

why did she use 'be like'
is that a correct grammar

[uncut tiger]

It's a meme template

A very famous one actually

[sharp creek]

i get it

[shy rain]

Am I the only one having insomnia tonight? 😭

[thorny steeple]

Oyye

[empty saffron]

Update:This thing went from a grade 1 glioma to a grade 4 glioblastoma in 4 weeks and I had to have surgery to remove as much as they could but now have to do chemo and radiation any advice?

[uncut tiger]

Get off discord and start praying

[fresh flower]

That's crazy bro

None of us are doctors though, take all their advice and stay strong gang 🙏🏻

[tepid solstice]

You'll be okay, get well soon!

[quaint quiver]

bored

[ionic merlin]

morning, afternoon, hi, terve!

so who is to blame for the drug trade?

[tepid solstice]

Terve??? Are you finished

[dapper laurel]

I strongly agree with this. But they still fight over petty disputes
STOP BROTHERS WAR

[ionic merlin]

it's "tervetuloa".
why, you have issues with foreigners using languages others than the (only?) one you ?

[tepid solstice]

It means welcome lol

[tepid solstice]

I was just joking I'm no Finnish either

[ionic merlin]

it's sort of used as a greeting

as "hello"

[tepid solstice]

Terve is a greeting

[ionic merlin]

yes

[tepid solstice]

That's all i know from playing Csgo

A lot of funky finnish rats in csgo

[ionic merlin]

sorry, i m the centenarian of the club here. never heard of csgo

[tepid solstice]

It's a game

[ionic merlin]

lol, i can read though.

[tepid solstice]

Full of ragebaiters

[ionic merlin]

you wrote "play" so i sort of gathered it was a game...

[ionic merlin]

sounds like this place then

[tepid solstice]

What?

[shadow bronze]

Ammm ?

[ionic merlin]

half the crowd here is mentally deranged!

[tepid solstice]

Sounds odd

Probably true

[ionic merlin]

i like to think they dont actually get out much and therefore dont represent an actual danger to the outside world but i m not overconfident

[tepid solstice]

Like the virgins

24 hrs screentimers

[ionic merlin]

inteesting comparson...

[tepid solstice]

They don't go outside and play Fortnite all day

[ionic merlin]

yes, 24h screentimers. who build logical processes from a world that isnt quite a true representation of the physical and inter-personal world outside their bedroooms or basements

[tepid solstice]

Now you're sounding like an AI

What in the tarnation

[ionic merlin]

to be fair, i am sure most of those guys are intelligent but the brain creates its logical processes from whateve one feeds it.
so if one feeds it crap 24/7 for ten years since the age of 8 (8 to 18 being the most critical period in brain processes development) the result isnt going to be good for real world logical processing

[unkempt breach]

Your display name is very beautiful

[tepid solstice]

You almost brought my mississippi accent back

[ionic merlin]

thanks, i was the first iwilldoityesterday, first used it in 1996 cause ididittomorrow was already taken

[ionic merlin]

have a sip of flat earth water

that ll help you put things iin perspective!

[tepid solstice]

Are you okay

I said nothing wrong

[ionic merlin]

i assumed your mississipi accent is a reference to shock or laughter.
so i was offering you to go and eavesdrop on the flat earth crowd, it usually helps people see the rest of humanoty with a renewed sense of awe...

sort of.

doesnt work for everyone though,

afk 5 min.

[tepid solstice]

Naa i used to live in the country and now i moved far away and i never spoke it again so i thought it faded away but it didn't

Sometimes when i speak in english my southern accent sidles back in

Never got away with it

[tepid solstice]

Thinkin too deeep raaahhh

[ionic merlin]

cool. flat earthing is overrated though

[sage snow]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-17708582622187093514

which country has the best airforce ?

[winter echo]

The is sun static

Fuck

[ionic merlin]

that would be the country with the second lowest moral standards....

[formal pilot]

Bhutan

[sage snow]

us?

[ionic merlin]

@formal pilot the question is, who s number 1

[sage snow]

i think its pakistan

[ionic merlin]

not sure wher you is from, so cant really answer

[formal pilot]

Bhutan is number one

[sage snow]

pakistan

[ionic merlin]

lowest moral standards?!?!?

[formal pilot]

Pakistan Air force isn't even the most powerful in pakistan

[ionic merlin]

oh... i amde a mistake....

[ionic merlin]

lol

super funny

[sage snow]

they claim they took down 6 indian jets

[formal pilot]

Congratulations to them

They Even nominated donald trump for Nobel prize

Bigger congratulations to them

[sage snow]

:0

which country has the most skilled scammers ?

[ionic merlin]

capitalists!

i dont care they arent a country

they win that one hands down

[sage snow]

haha thats a clever answer!

[formal pilot]

I'd Probably say india but i haven't looked at the data yet, do i might be wrong

[sage snow]

nigeria

why muslim loves saddam hussein but hate netanyahu

[formal pilot]

Alright i just read some papers, india is not on top and my comment might be based on stupid racism available on the internet

[formal pilot]

All of my Iraqi friends (sunni) hate saddam hossain

[sage snow]

Ooo

[noble heath]

Hi

[ionic merlin]

i have a question, ALPHABET+ crew say their sexual orientations are natural and they were born that way.
IF this is the case, how come from 2014 to 2020 the proportion of people identifying as LGB doubled from 1.4 to 2.8.
a doubling in just 6 or 7 years doesnt seem very normal to me.
IS THERE AN EXTERNAL FACTOR?

[sage snow]

the increase is mostly due to visibility and social acceptance not a literal rise in orientation

[prisma cipher]

It mean nothing. People are Dumbo.

[ionic merlin]

this is a statistical increase in the number of people identifying so in the ONS sensus survey in the UK, nothing to do with visibility

[prisma cipher]

Like fr if someone say me Trump is good and it will be American, it doesn't mean trumb is good or bad. People just stupid.

[ionic merlin]

it's statistical data, not visibilty

i have a theory as to what the external factor might be but i am interested in seeing whether anyone else does.

[manic juniper]

Maybe it's genetic drift

[prisma cipher]

Maybe people have been subjected to gay propaganda, or they used to be embarrassed to admit that they are gay, but now they can talk about it freely. or both of these factors. in any case, it is not interesting

[sage snow]

no genetic drift works over hundreds or thousands of years not a single decade

mainly social acceptance
Better vocabulary and identity exploration
Reduced stigma and fear of being open
trend wanna be cool

[high raven]

Self-identification is directly influenced by visibility, stigma and (an increased) social acceptability

[wispy cedar]

A friend of mine who works as a doctor told me about a survey that was done back in 2000 something, where they made a hundred LGBTQ people go through therapy session for them to become, let's say normal

Therapy lasted 1 month and had the success rate of 100%

Here is the thing, when you have got bunch of people, comfortable enough to have time and think about such stuff,

It will eventually lead to increase in such cases

Like people identifying a certain way (dude like tf is zi/zie or who identifies as a dog),

Rate of homosexuality within the state increasing,

AS WELL AS crime rates going up and up.

[ionic merlin]

i know what you mean, butthis is the UK, a doubling in just 7 years just because of visibility doesnt seem convincing

[wispy cedar]

Long word short, it has a lot more to do with mental conditioning and mental states of people than actual instinct-led inclinations

[high raven]

That's exactly what visibility, reduced stigma and generational change does though

[ionic merlin]

but 7 years is a very short span.

[wispy cedar]

I know that in Urdun, in almost every house there is a picture of Saddam 😂

[high raven]

Social dynamics shift that fast

There's nothing in the water turning people gay

Not yet at least

[wispy cedar]

I MEAN.... Oh god we are having this talk..

[ionic merlin]

how about the endocrine system being increasingly affected by chemical exposure
(increased use of plastics containing phtalates and phtalins)

[ionic merlin]

alright, i dont discard the possibility of this being A factor.

but what about the endocrine system etc

[high raven]

Just hypothetically? Because there’s no credible scientific evidence that suggests that chemical exposure changes sexual orientation

[ionic merlin]

i think its an important one. the ALPHABET+ crew has only one or two orguments

[ionic merlin]

there s plenty regarding the endorine system

[wispy cedar]

Currently, in almost everywhere we are in contact with this material that plastics are made of,

Which is in our food & water as well, filling our bodies with micro- plastics,

WHICH is proven to lead to higher estrogen levelz in men.

[ionic merlin]

and in case you dont know , the endocrine system is responsible for hormon production

see where i am going?

[wispy cedar]

Meaning it leads to hormonal imbalance in certain individuals

That's why we have got growing rate of obesity (it is a factor, not the core reason),

And in general physical deformations in men, making them look more woman-like

[high raven]

There is, endocrine disruptors affect hormones but have no proven link to changing sexual orientation, if you have a peer-reviewed article that makes that claim, show us, otherwise we're discussing hypotheticals

[ionic merlin]

@high raven see? @wispy cedar knows about it too.

[high raven]

Read the above

[wispy cedar]

I mean usually I just have these talks for fun,

In general I come from a highly conservative territory where people don't even know what 🏳️‍🌈 is 😂

[ionic merlin]

sorry, to say but that is a very narrow-minded statement

1. eveery theory strat with hypotheticals

[high raven]

You don't dismiss science when it doesn't suit you

[wispy cedar]

So basically it is just a problem that I consider as "not real" or "made up" by west

[ionic merlin]

i dodnt dismiss anything here

[manic juniper]

It depends on the population size, it's not a fixated value

It can happen in a single decade

[sage snow]

no

[wispy cedar]

Most gay people have tendency for submissiveness

Doesn't it tell you about the estrogen levels in them?

[ionic merlin]

you clearly have no understanding of what drives research and science.

[wispy cedar]

Absolutely.

[manic juniper]

Source?

[sage snow]

no

[high raven]

What 😂

Make up your mind, either we're discussing hypotheticals with no research behind them, or science

[ionic merlin]

absolutely.
you tak of peer reviewed research. who would pay for it and why?

[high raven]

Very good point there, if the notion you're claiming was remotely true, why wouldn't less LGBTQ friendly countries research it?

They could point at plastics and say it makes you gay

[ionic merlin]

you are the one who talked about peer reviewed research. which just goes to show you dont understand what the driving forces of science are.

[wispy cedar]

My argument is that,

The increasing numbers of 🏳️‍🌈 people is due to combination of multiple elements such as;

1. Societal conditioning (many PRIMARY schools nowadays preach about how normal it is to be gay),

2. Hormonal imbalance due to chemicals we are in touch with,

3. Demonization of masculinity under the cover of "mysogeny",

4. Lack of hard labor in the society & easy and comfortable way of living

[manic juniper]

Arguments backed by...?

[ionic merlin]

lol, that is daft.
that would go against their own claim that homosexuality is normal/natural

[high raven]

Peer review is fundamental to scientific progress, it filters out bias and error 😂

[manic juniper]

Anyway I did the calculations and through genetic drift it would take only 2.3758383805403001×10¹⁰ generations before it becomes fixated

[high raven]

Less LGBTQ friendly countries claim that homosexuality is normal?

[wispy cedar]

Observations , scientific evidence, societal norms that I got to meet in Europe...?

[manic juniper]

Ok where is the scientific evidence

[ionic merlin]

it's not the point.
tell me who would pay for such research when science keeps fighting for funding left right and centre

[wispy cedar]

Where I am from we burn them lol 😂

It IS BARBARIC

But I guess tells a bit about the perspective people have over here

[high raven]

So your point is that instead of rigorous, peer-reviewed studies, we should focus on speculation?

[wispy cedar]

I mean not specifically where I am from, but like around where I am from

Like in Georgia they do it for example

[ionic merlin]

you are clearly not very clever.
that is not my point at all

never sadi/wrote anything of the sort, nor did i imply anything remoely close to that

how old are you 15-18

[high raven]

Personal attacks don't prove your point, you're too old for this, explain what your suggestion is

[high raven]

You gave up on a meaningful discussion this easily?

[manic juniper]

In case anyone is curious, T is the amount of generations, N the effective population size (I used all of humanity for simplicity), p is the allele frequency

[ionic merlin]

you are clearly not understanding what the implication of DOING research are

[manic juniper]

I assumed the allele frequency is 2%

[ionic merlin]

no, i am trying to help you see that research needs funding
rather basic....

and you dont see that?!?!?!

[manic juniper]

Yeah he blocked me because I pointed out a blatant lie before and he couldn't disprove it

[ionic merlin]

debate is futile

[wispy cedar]

Alright, let's leave this whether if it is a mental conditioning or natural inclination thing aside,

Consider this;

What positive thing is there with normalisation of this within the society?

Or MORE IMPORTANTLY , what sort of benefits are there with teaching kids about this?

[high raven]

I understand perfectly, doing research requires resources and focus, which is why solid evidence matters more than unsupported claims, is this not science to you or what?

[wispy cedar]

Cuz that's what the state is doing in many countries ANYWAY

[ionic merlin]

you still fail to understand.

1. all scientific research start with assumptions that scientists wish to prove od disprove

2- it requires funding

[manic juniper]

It's a natural phenomenon, just as the Moon's gravity influencing the tides of the Earth, what benefit does that bring to the average person? None

[ionic merlin]

3- funding requires financial justification of the goal of the research

[manic juniper]

Is it good or bad? Neither, it's just amoral, you could live with or without knowing it

[wispy cedar]

Then I claim better is to avoid it and stop the spread of it

Because in the long run, spread of this eventually leads to bigger consequences

[high raven]

Totally, science starts with ideas we want to test, but those ideas need solid proof before we treat them as true. Just guessing doesn’t count as real science, so we're just discussing hypotheticals that have no truth to them

[manic juniper]

Reasons?

[high raven]

My Jewish space lasers theory doesn't have funding yet, is it scientific?

[manic juniper]

I just said it's amoral just as eating is amoral, do we stop people from eating now?

[ionic merlin]

so you r premise that no debate is worth having unless there is peer reviewed research is ridiculous for the simple fact that IF there is peer reviewed data, thent a debate is hardly necessary bird-brain

[wispy cedar]

Let me take a bold guess, population crisis?

U've got a bunch of gays, all homosexuals

What do you think is going to happen?

[manic juniper]

With overconsumption of resources a large decrease in population size is good

[high raven]

Debate is important, but it’s pointless if it’s not grounded in evidence, where is the evidence you suggested exists for your claim? Or did you change your mind and accept that there is no correlation

[manic juniper]

Plus if they don't lead to reproduction eventually the population will bounce back through natural selection

[high raven]

I'm 16-18

Got called a Dane yesterday too

[wispy cedar]

With that sort of stance, you seem that you'd claim genocide to be reasonable as well 😂

[manic juniper]

Could've been worse, could've been... Swedish

[high raven]

[formal pilot]

I don't know about them, I'm certain about my friends

[manic juniper]

No, that sounds like a projection. A genocide is aimed at inflicting pain to the masses, it's not aimed at reducing it

Maybe you are in favour of a famine I guess?

[ionic merlin]

lol "GUESS", when plastics are KNOWN to contain PHTALINs and PHTALATES that are KNOWN to disrupt the endocrine system which is KNOWN to be responsible for hormone production which is KNOWN to inflence sexual behaviour...

hardly a guess

and not exactly a stretch of the imangination, you are clearly not too bright.

[high raven]

Individually, not as a chain reaction

[high raven]

Still going?😂

[wispy cedar]

All I am saying is, no disrespect @manic juniper

EVEN IF something is natural, it doesn't make that thing morally acceptable

Homosexuality exists in nature, so does incest

Aaand murder

Aaaaaand r4p3

Aaand many other things which we deem to be immoral

[formal pilot]

Hold on, plastic is turning me gay?

[wispy cedar]

Na'am

[wispy cedar]

Oh I am in favor of having a lot of kids, not against it

[ionic merlin]

lol, in direct contradiction with your earlier comment...
very clever....
evidence would come from research , the egg and the hen....

[wispy cedar]

You mentioned everything that I knew I have heard but forgotten 😂

[formal pilot]

Depends on the country

[manic juniper]

You're equating things that result in pain and suffering to things that don't, so yeah... It makes no sense. Someone could say the same about your hair and skin colour, how about that?

[formal pilot]

Kardashians should be homosexuals

[ionic merlin]

to make sure they dont procreate?

[formal pilot]

No, they got plastics

[ionic merlin]

doesnt work this way.

[wispy cedar]

All I am saying is something being natural doesn't make that thing alright.

Being gay certainly isn't alright for my personal beliefs, but leaving them aside,

It is something that potentially might lead to population crisis as it does in many Western countries (it is a factor, not the core reason)

[high raven]

Funny how you're demanding scientific credit for a chain of guesses, then mocking the need for evidence. That’s not an “egg and hen” problem, it’s just skipping the science and calling it smart

[manic juniper]

I never said anything about it being natural, that's your statement

[ionic merlin]

it's about exposure to phtalates and phtaines during the development of the endocrine system.

[manic juniper]

I don't think homosexuality is natural, I don't think heterosexuality is natural either. Most animals literally don't care

[formal pilot]

Earth can sustain 1.5x more population, but it'll cost a big fortune on nature, personally I feel we are over populated

[wispy cedar]

"most animals don't care" 💀

Then why ALMOST ALWAYS species are inclined to opposite gender???

[manic juniper]

Homosexuality doesn't seem tied to population crises either, decline in births has been going on in every developed country and it started in developed nations when being gay made you eligible for conversion therapy. So again, nonexistent argument

[ionic merlin]

you are asking for proof before a debate or an assumption can be made.
but you are saying proof can only come from research. but research only comes from the need to prove something.
you are utterly illogicl

[manic juniper]

Genders don't exist, first mistake

[formal pilot]

Send me some research papers on how plastic is turning me gay

[wispy cedar]

Oh God...

[manic juniper]

Fun fact: animals don't care about grammar either

[wispy cedar]

That's a fact now

[ionic merlin]

shit, that is stupid.

[manic juniper]

Yes, genders are purely grammatical

[wispy cedar]

A single thing that you said which made sense

[manic juniper]

If they were a thing there is no way so many languages lack gender

[ionic merlin]

it started with a question, not an affirmation

you guys are blind proper

[manic juniper]

I like how you didn't try and counteract anything else I said though

[formal pilot]

Thank god I'm blind, I can't imagine reading your messages

[manic juniper]

Only the animal thing, which is just true. Animals will fuck something they are attracted to, even if it's not a living being

Some animals fake being the opposite sex just to avoid competition with males

[wispy cedar]

All I am saying is, ma'am, sorry for my mysogeny, is that widespread of LGBTQ leaves the society to be subject to population crisis cuz oh imagine you have got bunch of trans genders and gays and lesbians

How is this population going to grow?

[ionic merlin]

the debate started with a question, i then propsed a theory.
i am then being asked to give research to just have the right to put forward a theory?
do you understand how stupid that is?!?!?

[deep zephyr]

Yapping here as usual. Traitor

[wispy cedar]

What is the rate of such cases under natural circumstances?

[high raven]

No one said you need proof before forming a hypothesis, but if you're going to state something as fact, then yes, it needs evidence. Otherwise, it's just speculation

Keep up

[manic juniper]

You are saying that and I literally said it doesn't seem to be correlated because it has been in decline in most of Europe since the mid 20th century, when gays were subjected to conversion therapy

[ionic merlin]

you did

[manic juniper]

This is like saying the invention of videogames led to population decline because it happened at the same time

[ionic merlin]

i never stated anythiing as fact except for the fact tht phtalates are known to influece the development of the endocrine system

[manic juniper]

And somehow Israelis are able to have a fertility rate above most developed countries despite having access to videogames

[ionic merlin]

and then you went on a stpid rant for the sake of political correctness to show everyone your social open-mindedness

[manic juniper]

There is no rate, it's just a reproductive strategy used by certain animals

[formal pilot]

Population must increase at a steady rate to counter the death rate, I'd say we should educate people on this matter while also try to improve the living conditions,
"Reduce our number" sounds scary

[wispy cedar]

I am talking about rational conclusion, and up there I stated that it certainly IS a factor for decline in increasing of the population

Never said it is the ONLY reason why the population would decrease

[high raven]

Then where were you going?

[manic juniper]

If it's not the only reason then:

1. It's a significant factor, which is why you brought it up
2. You brought up an insignificant factor. Why?

[ionic merlin]

WHAT?!?!?!?
you mean you dont think this a true scientific fact?!?!?!?!?

[wispy cedar]

Out of all documentations of animal behaviour, what percentage of animals are documented to be following such behaviour?

[ionic merlin]

lol, you need to go to school

[high raven]

You're waffling now, you're overheating, what made you think I'm pro-LGBTQ?

[formal pilot]

So discussion about homosexuality needed up in plastics

[manic juniper]

I don't think there is a number for these cases, and that's not relevant to the discussion

[ionic merlin]

you idiot, look online to see what the endocrine system is

[formal pilot]

I just came here for the vibes

[manic juniper]

If a thing is more rare then should we allow it as long as it's not common?

[formal pilot]

And my laptop died, I was working on something

[high raven]

Can't even form a thought without insulting, this is so funny

The science guy over here

[manic juniper]

Then we should give people a "Gay pass" since not all animals are homosexually attracted

[ionic merlin]

look, you need jump in, or if you wish to then scroll up and see what the initial question was

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[formal pilot]

I ain't reading aladat

[manic juniper]

Not everyone is eligible for a Gay Pass and they will be suspended if too many people carry a Gay Pass at once

[wispy cedar]

1. It is a factor to be considered just as certain psychological elements,

2. I brought this up because the talk was specifically on LGBTQ+ and you asked about why we shouldn't try help this thing to increase

[ionic merlin]

well, you ve been implying as much and clearly you dont even know what the endocrin system is

and then you tell me i wrote something that is not factual.
it's basic science

[high raven]

Are you claiming that I insulted you for asking for proof?😂

[wispy cedar]

Oh in fact it is highly relevant hence it projects in what scale such cases happen

[ionic merlin]

need proof of something everyone knows?!?!?!

[manic juniper]

If it's a significant factor why did you even contest my previous affirmation?
2. I literally didn't say anything like that, good job

[ionic merlin]

well, then prove to me that you have a computer

[formal pilot]

I don't know anything

[manic juniper]

You just turned into that Nigerian guy who enjoys misquoting

[formal pilot]

I'm caveman

[manic juniper]

I said that no, it's amoral to teach about gays just as it's amoral to teach about the Moon's effect on the Earth's tides

That has nothing to do with gays increasing or decreasing, merely about education

[manic juniper]

Ok if size is relevant then it's relevant to the occurrence of the phenomenon itself, hence we should tolerate it as long as it's within certain limits. Aka GAY PASS.

[ionic merlin]

this is ridiculous. please get informed before asking people to prove to you basic medical knowledge.

cant have a debate with someone who doesnt know what the endocrine system is.

[wispy cedar]

I mean when you have an issue as important as population crisis, isn't every factor to be considered byyy not the average folks like us but the experts?

2. Look I mean chat is up there, if you don't feel like acknowledging you asking for a reason, there is no point of discussing this topic anway, in that case it involves emotions and surely an emotion driven talk can't be rational

[manic juniper]

Being gay doesn't bring any suffering, but most animals aren't gay. Since being gay is apparently natural when in small quantities we should have a fixated percentage of gays in any given population

[high raven]

I don't mind the insults, I've heard better from worse men, but if you're going to claim that there is a chain reaction, at least prove it and don't backtrack back to just the endocrine system

[manic juniper]

I'm the one who used a formula earlier, not you, I'm also asking about facts which you didn't bring forth (you said this yourself, that it's only result of your "rationality")

I'm not the one arguing with emotions

[ionic merlin]

lol, not acknowledging your own lack of knowledge and just trying to move away from the fact.
sounds like a flat earther alright!

[wispy cedar]

My stance is, if something is harmful, it's harmful

Which means it should be prevented wholly

But if you say within certain limits, please present what extent is a reasonable extent.

Specifics.

[manic juniper]

How is it harmful? Because population declines? It's not correlated to it until proven but assuming it is can you contest that natural selection would bring it back to an healthy amount?

[ionic merlin]

wow, again saying that i clamed! you are not very bright.
i put forward a theory, i didnt say "IT IS SO".
you are weak

i see you are tryin to make excuses for your lack of arguments

[high raven]

😭😭😭

You're funny, I'll give you that

[manic juniper]

Population decline isn't harmful per se, all organisms experience them and they're not always a bad thing

[formal pilot]

What was the actual argument?

[ionic merlin]

cute, but you are still found to be lacking in basic knowledge

[manic juniper]

Why are there more gays since last decade

[ionic merlin]

are you sure you want to know?

[manic juniper]

Reality: we don't know how many gays exist or existed

[high raven]

Plastics affect the endocrine system and it makes people gay, he has backtracked now though

[manic juniper]

I'm not the one arguing for that, for all I care the percentage could be anywhere from 0% to 100%. You should answer that

[wispy cedar]

Well done for the formula, as for the facts such as scientific evidence, well effect of plastics on human hormones is evident and widely accepted.

As for de-masculinization of the masses AAAND lack of hard physical labor we go through on a daily basis can be both observed from western media AND our daily life, however if you need Times or AlJazeera to confirm this, go look up in the google, you mostlikely will find something

[ionic merlin]

yes, that a fact!!!!!!
just check it online.
and if you are refering to the "see where i am going bit", remember that i was asking a question

[manic juniper]

Newspapers aren't science lol, did you ever do science or at all

[ionic merlin]

not putting forward as a fact, you are just picking bits out of context.

[vestal root]

Good evening

[manic juniper]

Plastic influences everyone to the same degree, not just "the West" this is just stupid

You'd expect the same influence on every country or at least a measurably higher difference but there isn't

[formal pilot]

Recognition of more than 2 genders

I'm sure it has more to do than plastics

[wispy cedar]

Well I said the best limit is 0%, which equals to saying none

[manic juniper]

Should we work towards reducing it on other animals too then

[formal pilot]

Yes, i can read the crux presented in new messages, i ain't reading the whole shid

[manic juniper]

To 0%

[wispy cedar]

Well if you need academic research & their presentation, all I am saying is that go look for them wherever they might be presented

[manic juniper]

Burden of proof doesn't work like that

[formal pilot]

Stop scaring me, i recently read that i might have plastic in my beloved valls

How does plastic make me gay

Apart from using plastic toys

[left arrow]

@high raven I don't see where he claimed it was that way. Why do you keep saying he did? It's a valid theory...

[wispy cedar]

Absolutely not, animals follow instincts which makes them free of the responsibility of building & managing a society

That's why when an animal kills and eats its offspring, although to us it might be a horrific event, it is NOT to be held accountable

We can't say the same for humans though, can we?

[ionic merlin]

alright
so i started by bringing up the fact that ONS data show that in the UK the proportion of people idntifying as homosexual doubled from 1.4 to 2.8 % between 2014 and 2020

i then asked what people thought the reason for that jump might be

[next marsh]

No, not at all. People have had diverse sexual preferences regardless of their biological sex and have identified differently since ancient times, well before we learned to make plastics.

[ionic merlin]

thank you, i never did claim that.
i even clearly wrote "i have a theory"

[manic juniper]

Humans follow instincts as well, we are free of responsibility then. And not all animals kill and eat their offspring, we are animals too and we don't do this. Neither do parrots, also parrots don't murder each other (unlike us)

[wispy cedar]

Well providing evidence requires time and research, both of which should've been present before the debate is there OR the individuals engaging in it should have certain level of knowledge determined by the need for real life data

[manic juniper]

There was no evidence since the beginning because there is no way to calculate how many gays exist

Or existed

[wispy cedar]

Humans although do follow instincts, we have intelligence and moral codes we follow, which SEPARATES US from animals

[manic juniper]

Animals have intelligence too, and morals are too abstract to consider them real. There isn't anything scientific about them

[thorny steeple]

Since humanity is hella old and modern technology isn't like very ancient

[ionic merlin]

what are you one about?!?!?!?!?1
you arent too bringht i see.
just look online ENDOCRINE SYSTEM and you will learn that IT DOES produce hormones

[formal pilot]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[wispy cedar]

Depends on how subjectively we take them

Although about scientific evidence for morals, I agree

[manic juniper]

It further points to them being abstract and not a shared phenomena

[ionic merlin]

which part of that is not scientifically factual?!?!?!?

[wispy cedar]

Gosh it is funny how all of us are here arguing with all we got about this topic 😂

I mean it is an interesting one nonetheless

[ionic merlin]

ou tell me which part of that is not factual?

i didnt write it makes people turn gay.

[wispy cedar]

Animals not following morals codes doesn't invalidate the importance of them though

Anyway, if you are actually interested in evidence for things I said or what I backed my argument, I would gladly provide you with them