🧠｜serious-chat

[ionic merlin]

shall we move back to abortion though

what are your thoughts on the subject?

[winter echo]

Imagine

[thorny steeple]

No need for that we are at the same point

[ionic merlin]

regardless, i am curious to know how you support your view on abortion.

other than evolution/medicine, i have other arguments against abortion but i d like to see what others think before i put everything forward.

[thorny steeple]

Well some ppl say that what if a woman gets pregnant by her r@pist and she doesn't wanna have the child in that case some ppl agree with abortion what do you say about this?

[ionic merlin]

that brings us back to the natural order of things and evolution.
for thousands of years and until recently, rape or forceful intercourse was very common and one could argue that without rape, human kind ould not be were it is today.

[thorny steeple]

So what are you with "abortion" in that case man I need a short answer

[ionic merlin]

if a female's rightful male guardians cannot protect her from potential rapists (either though direct physical protection or through education) then those males within her circle are not suitable males for reproduction and opportunity must be afforded to others

no, i am still against abortion, even in the case of rape as explains the comment above here

how about you?

[versed edge]

That's unhinged, surely you're trolling.

[fresh flower]

Hiiiiii :3

What are you guys arguing about

[ionic merlin]

interesting view X-calibur.
can you expand?

[versed edge]

I'm not going to engage with bait.

[ionic merlin]

as to trolling, that sounds more like the kind of thing people without arguments do. so no, not my thing.

lol, well, sounds brave. i am sure you aren't much a swordman despite the name

and i challenge you to deconstruct the argument i put forward.

REMINDER: i did posit as viewing the matter from "the natural order of things" angle.

[versed edge]

It feels like you're going to use 'natural order' as your escape card.

But, while less prevalent today I think it's far beyond a stretch to say we wouldn't be where we are today without rape.

It is not the driving force in any kind of population growth, its something that has always had repercussion, even thousands of years ago.

I'm not going to address this #🧠｜serious-chat message

That's the part I was referring to as unhinged.

It's not adding anything to the conversation except a weird justification that a woman who can't defend herself or be defended belongs to the rapist.

[ionic merlin]

may i just point out that your use of vocabulary would tend to show that "trolling" is something you are familiar with...
AND this place is called DISCORD , you might have missed that.

i don't think "population growth" is the right criteria to consider.

[versed edge]

I decide to engage with you and you attack my character immediately.

[ionic merlin]

lol, you attacked first

i think a right of reply is in order to every commet

i am actually shocked you accuse me of "attack" when i am merely defending.

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[ionic merlin]

i do understand your point of view regarding the discussion though. and it is likely based on antiquated scientific beliefs that "lesser" hominids died off.
this theory has now been proven wrong thanks to D.N.A, testing which suggests that "populations" merged and the the neandertals did not just disappear for example.

now, if that is the case (which you may challenge), it brings the question of where the neanderthal genes ultimately came from? cromagnon males mating with neanderthal females or the other way around or both?

...
X-calibur, please share your knowledge with us.

i have plenty of ammunition left...

olivander the swede, i apologise on behalf of X-calibur whose sword is clearly blunt.

[fresh flower]

The Neanderthals are sadly still here 💔💔💔

[ionic merlin]

lol

i am not sure how the dutch feel about the confusion

that said, since the dutch are amongst the tallest and presumably physically strongest in europe, i am not sure they have much neanderthal in them despite the name sounding a little similar.

[fresh flower]

They're on average only slightly taller than the Icelandic people

[manic juniper]

Preach

[fresh flower]

Those though are much stronger on average

[feral river]

their only chance to survive in the future is to annex other states

[ionic merlin]

lol

minecraft guy in china. (i am in guiyang/guizhou province)

[fresh flower]

Oh God.... There's two of them... Holy fuck....

[feral river]

people can't live with the salt water

[thorny steeple]

Who the heck drinks saltwater!??

[ionic merlin]

olivander, you have a point.
but i am sure the dutch could compete if they were bothered too.
the same way finns are by a long mile eht best skiers in the world but they let swedes win because they aren't as competitive.

[versed edge]

We almost have the full Scandinavia gang here

[fresh flower]

Who's missing

[ionic merlin]

yes, china, sweeden, .... the whole scandinavian gang...

[feral river]

the dutch if they don't live their place

[fresh flower]

I haven't seen someone from Iceland here

Honorary Scandinavians

[thorny steeple]

LMAO @true lark get a hold of this guy Lmao

[ionic merlin]

olivander, this is X-calibur, do make allowances, please...

[feral river]

the American puppet gang ?

maybe it's not in the past, at least it's half Soviet

[fresh flower]

Never seen them here before I have no opinion yet

[fresh flower]

I ordered something from Temu btw, you're welcome

[feral river]

who gives a fuck to that shit

[versed edge]

Norway I think.

[fresh flower]

Pack my order neatly lil boy

[fresh flower]

@high raven lives in Norway

[feral river]

is that you little boy ?

[ionic merlin]

alright, let's calm down people.

minecraft, where do you live?

[feral river]

you don't have to give a fuck to such a crap

PRC

[ionic merlin]

yes, i got that, where about?

[feral river]

capital of the Shandong province, Jinan city

[ionic merlin]

cool.

[versed edge]

I've not met Sanna I think.

[fresh flower]

One of the few smart people that use this channel

[ionic merlin]

i have been here 15 years. shenzhen 10 years and nor guiyang , 5 years

wwell, people, am afraid i have to surrender the computer to my yougest son.
will be back in a few hours.

[versed edge]

I'll keep an eye out

[feral river]

awesome Shenzhen is such a developed city to live

it's quite comfortable and it's nearby the Hong Kong

[fresh flower]

You have a son?

How old are you bro

[ionic merlin]

actually i didnt like it much down in shenzhen.

i have two sons and a daughter.
i m old enough but still young

surrendering computer to son.
talk to you all later if you are still here.

[fresh flower]

That's cool bro, I'd rather see older people here than more 13 year olds

[ionic merlin]

take care all.

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/old-guy-swaying-dance-twitter-his-move-gif-16494197932093552716

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/brazil-dog-dancing-gif-9542887530094024365

Very serious chat

[hidden palm]

Hello! May I get some advices on how to improve my English speaking? I read books and talk in English with people yet I can’t speak fluently or smoothly at all when I talk (eng is my second language) :”)

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel well modern belisarious how's today

[noble condor]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Very very very

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[plush surge]

Who say that ?

Oh, and it's what?

[tranquil harbor]

hey guys iam keo

[jolly agate]

Their human right

[mental valley]

Hello everyone

[plush surge]

Yes, but not normal,

[plush surge]

hi

[high raven]

It might not be normal for you, but it is for them

[plush surge]

That's not what I want to mean, I mean
I think straight people should find them abnormal.

[high raven]

Why should they?

[plush surge]

Because it's unnatural, and anything that is unnatural is not normal.

And if you're going to tell me that animals do homosexual acts, know that animals don't have the same intelligence as us and conscience too, and that it's stronger than, when a male doesn't have a female to mate with, he will mount a male, but the man/woman always has the choice

[high raven]

What should we do with those who are gay?

Send them to Madagascar?

[versed edge]

Can you really call homosexuality abnormal when it's been around as long as humanity has?

[formal pilot]

I disagree

[high raven]

I'll agree and add an ad hominem

[formal pilot]

I don't know what the topic is, i still like to disagree

[formal pilot]

It depends on how we define ‘abnormal.’ Homosexuality is a natural variation in behavior and is observed across many species. it’s always existed. And because it occurs in a minority of the population, some may describe it as statistically abnormal or uncommon (if we choose a polite way)

[versed edge]

So applying this logic. You would say it's abnormal to be a Muslim.

It's abnormal to speak English.

[formal pilot]

I'm afraid madagascar will create giga gays, the final level boss for religious people

[versed edge]

I don't think you can run these definitions off statistics alone.

[formal pilot]

The percentage of Muslims aren't that low to consider as abnormal on statistical terms

[formal pilot]

Yes, that's why I specified it depends on the definition of abnormal

[versed edge]

It's a minority of the world population. It's your definition.

[formal pilot]

Being Zoroastrian would be more abnormal than being a Muslim.

And sure muslims are statistically abnormal in comparison to Christianity

?def abnormal

[cursive bobcat]

Word: abnormal

Definition 1 (adjective): not normal; not typical or usual or regular or conforming to a norm
Definition 2 (adjective): departing from the normal in e.g. intelligence and development
Definition 3 (adjective): much greater than the normal

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by awesome_bill

[formal pilot]

"Not usual"

[versed edge]

It's pretty usual I'd walk down the street and walk past someone gay, maybe 2 or even 3.

[formal pilot]

Globally only 7% of the adult population identify as homosexual, this number might be low because of homophobic laws and taboo, still it's a minority

[versed edge]

Either were using statistical definitions or not.

[formal pilot]

I do believe Homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality

Still they're a minority

[versed edge]

The original argument was that straight couples should see homosexuality as abnormal

Which would go against it being a normal variation.

[formal pilot]

No, that's the wrong way to describe homosexuals and rooted in deep homophobic beliefs

[versed edge]

Thats the point I'm arguing against. To be clear.

[formal pilot]

I can't stop myself from jumping in without reading any previous messages, it's fun innit brav

[sleek crystal]

nobody chat here?

[versed edge]

Never.

[static pivot]

Finally someone like me

Disagree with everything

Be the rival they seek

[sharp thunder]

Come and speak in the 24/7 F.E.D.vc if you want to have a serious discussion with us.

[formal pilot]

I'm innocent serious chat enjoyer and You're the master of ragebait

Quite different

[feral river]

muslim is not a race neither it’s an ethnicity

It’s a concept that was created on the basis of religious allegiance

If you believe in islam, then you are a muslim neither required to pass the exam nor naturally being as a status that was already set

Sounds very like I’m saying I’m they/them so I can being count in one of the stupidest statistics

That doesn’t represent ANYTHING

if you are muslim, you are just muslim, nothing else

and that does not have any special status

even if you use religious content to explain something that still doesn't represent anything because today's world is not ruled by these fictional stories 🤣

it's by the people, by the law, and by the guns

[high raven]

I knew that was coming

[feral river]

unless if there was something similar to the law of return of the State of Israel that allow people who are converted to Judaism to return Israel as a citizen regardless of its ethnicity or nationality

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/waffling-gif-26189794

[static pivot]

Flat earth vc

Come and prove us wrong

[sharp creek]

what is flat earth

[ionic merlin]

may i get enlightened as to what the current point of contention is?

[prisma cipher]

2D world

[ionic merlin]

hmmm.... lol

minecraft-652, i read your posts above but i am not sure what your proposition is. pro-palestine or pro-jewish?

you can add me on wechat English-at4

[high raven]

No self promo

[prisma cipher]

Don't waste your time, he is pro Israeli

[static pivot]

Okay mod

[high raven]

Pro-China over anything as far as I know

[prisma cipher]

No he isn't pro China

[ionic merlin]

thanks.

[high raven]

Really?

[prisma cipher]

He support those, who strong.

[high raven]

He'll have to answer that for himself, I just assumed he's more in favour of China over anything because it's stronger than everyone else

[ionic merlin]

pro-china is shocking enough but considering he is chinese, he can't really be blamed.
pro-jewish is unforgivable considering present circumstances

[high raven]

And those who hold the gun

[formal pilot]

China is against most of his values 💀

[prisma cipher]

That mean those, who strong

[high raven]

Oh he's definitely pro-Zionism

[ionic merlin]

well, i have been living in china for 15 years, and i still can't accept what i see and hear here.
if i told you some of the things i have witnessed and experienced, you would not believe a word ot it.

[prisma cipher]

Cool story

[high raven]

What made you move to China?

[ionic merlin]

that's actually interesting and i wrote an article about it recently.
the essence of it was basically that by not supporting the right (palestinians and by extension their supporters, iran) china was shooting itself in the foot because it meant it would have to then provide overt military support to russia before it could even consider attacking taiwan.
BUT that even then, the russia conflict would then be overseen by european partners and the U.S. and other aia pacific partners would have a free had to defend taiwan thus making an attack on taiwan impossible.

[ionic merlin]

i came here for business in 2010, and at the time there wasn't much information about china in western media so when i got here i was really impressed and i just stayed.

i m not sure you understand what i mean, i arrived here expecting a poor place, bicycles, people dressed in grey...
and what i found was anything but.

i flew in to guangzhou, arrived at night took a taxi to shenzhen, asked the driver to stop when it became urban at 2a.m.
the day after, i walked out of the hotel and that was already a shock despite being more than 10miles from the centre.

[high raven]

That's understandable, most of China is definitely far from underdeveloped. Do you still live there?

[ionic merlin]

the following day, i went down to the centre of shenzhen and coming from london, it seemed like stepping into the future.

now, listen to this one: the chinese consider shenzhen a fast-paced city, and to them it is prett much the most stressfull place in the world.
but compared with london, shenzhen is a holiday camp! like, people hardly ever work here.

[ionic merlin]

unfortunately, i still do, yes.
got myself a first chinese wife, two children, and then made the mistake a second time.
go figure....

men are stupid.

[high raven]

"Unfortunately"? How come?

[ionic merlin]

alright, now i am going to sound racist somehow but you need to keep an open mind.

[prisma cipher]

Not men, you

[ionic merlin]

first, i have lived in 14 other countries so i have a bit of experience and hopefully some sense of perspective.

[ionic merlin]

lol, i am pretty sure i am not the only to have succumbed to the same evil more than once.

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[sleek crystal]

right

[ionic merlin]

back to the "unfortunately" bit.
in 15 years here, i have never met an intelligent chinese person, and that's saying something considering i was in business here for 9 years with offices in five places.
there are "above average" chinese people, but by western standards, likely very few intelligent people.
WAIT, i do not blame the individual chinese for this state of affair. i am merely stating the result of my own "study" here.

the educational system and the repressive political situation are the main culprits.

[ionic merlin]

thanks. i feel so much better knowing i am not alone... not!

[high raven]

That's understandable, definitely not racist though. I've heard the same being said about those from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states

Pursuing higher education might not be in the best interest of some Chinese citizens

[ionic merlin]

very possible. although i have had intelligent conversations with many an arab man.

[ionic merlin]

very very good point

higher education is actually very counterproductive to the development of the chinese intellect.

it;s hard to comprehend and even harder to explain.

[high raven]

It discourages critical thinking and enforces conformity, which benefits the CCP by maintaining control and limiting dissent

The most dangerous thing for an authoritarian regime is an educated population

[ionic merlin]

again, please bear in mind i have a fair amount of experience with chinese university graduates

over th course of nine years in business here, i have interviewed and hired a fair few.

[ionic merlin]

absolutely correct.
and the problem is that repressive thinking by extension represses creative thinking and innovation.

sorry, i meant "repressing thinking"

it is worth pointing out that "creative thinking" is not only about innovation, which is a lready a loss for china, but the chinese on the whole have close to no problem solving skills and when they do (which is rare indeed) the idea of taking initiatives is something they would never dare.
even among those of my staff who spent years on, i still had to beg them to take initiatives.

[fresh flower]

Minecraft will read this and take his anger out on his pets

[fresh flower]

They're brainwashed, they're hardwired to not take initiative, their system is designed to suppress independence and enforce political conformity

[ionic merlin]

having lived here a while, i can only and sadly confirm

[fresh flower]

@feral river will still talk about his "freedom" though

Completely disregarding that he'll send that same message through a VPN

I feel bad for the average Chinese person, imagine how powerful their country would be if their government wasn't shit tier

Same with Indians actually

Those two could run the world on their own but the collective IQ of each country just isn't enough because of their governments

[ionic merlin]

another good point there.
although, in terms of freedom, i do sometimes feel that large corporations in the west have a kind of power and therefore a hold on our freedoms that is not existant in china.
not sure this is easy to understand.

[fresh flower]

It is, our corporate overlords rule over us

[static pivot]

@ionic merlin welcome to the server!

[ionic merlin]

yes, i often wonder what would happen if a change of regime happened here.
in the current circumstances the world has little to fear from asia but i do feel they could be as much a threat as they could be a force for good depending on who takes power.

[ionic merlin]

yes, i spent a few months in france last year and i am still dealing with hassle from french companies nearly a year on.

[ionic merlin]

hi, thanks vivek

[fresh flower]

BRICS is a viable option but the cowardice and hesitancy to dismantle themselves from the grip that the US holds on them is holding them back

[ionic merlin]

yes. i think the hesitancy comes from the huge dollar denominated bond holding of some of the BRICS states.

the USD isn't worth the paper it is printed on at this stage but large stake-holders actually admitting it would send shockwaves through the world financial system in ways noone could currently predit and so it has everyone on edge.

but the system as it is is so flawed, it will crumble at some stage and i don't think it make sense for those countries to wait.
notwithstading the fact that the more they wait the more emboldened the US get.

people, i thank you very much for this very nice conversation, i ll try and handle minecraft-652 tomorrow (privately on wechat if he accepts the invitation).
till then, i wish you all a good evening in europe and a good day in the americas, except our US friends to whom i wish just as much as they deserve for turning the world to shit.

i am sure and glad this will stir some controversy!!!

bye for now.

ahhgh, the wife just gave me a reprieve. i am allowed an extra to hours.

lol

two

[plush surge]

No, give them a social status of abnormal, like psychopaths (even if the comparison is radical I recognize it), like a mental disorder

[plush surge]

So what? There have always been mental disorders since the beginning too

[plush surge]

An act is said to be homosexual if it is explicit,

[ionic merlin]

i second that.

[plush surge]

@formal pilot i say why here

[ionic merlin]

ali is right. and i thank him for that comment

[plush surge]

For animals these are uncontrollable impulses, and we humans are extremely different from animals, should we compare ourselves with them? Such stupid living and unconscious beings?

[severe river]

Hi every one

[sick mural]

Hello

[plush surge]

hi

[ionic merlin]

thanks. very good point

[sick mural]

What are you to about?

[plush surge]

🤝

[severe river]

nice

[sick mural]

Humans are not, 'extremely' different from animals 😌

[plush surge]

It is said that homosexuality is not natural, it must be treated like any other mental illness.

[plush surge]

[ionic merlin]

that said, i have a new angle on the matter of homosexuality:
i used to be completely opposed to it but i am now on the line. because i like to think homosexuality is a dead-end road.

[severe river]

do u support israel or palestine

[ionic merlin]

but it can be argued that unfortunately they "reproduce" by social contamination.

[sick mural]

I really don't get why people are so worried about who others are attracted to ykwim?

[plush surge]

Homosexuality is created from events, and we choose it if we don't want to be, it's not really a mental illness, it's like a disease that develops if we want it to.

[ionic merlin]

1- there is no such thing as "israel", merely terrorist jews in palestine
2- i am pro-palestine and hamas are freedom fighters!!!

[plush surge]

Exact

[plush surge]

nobody

[gritty echo]

It is old as human civilization

[severe river]

good

[plush surge]

And?

[gritty echo]

Even Genghis Khan laws ban it,

[severe river]

am new on discord

[ionic merlin]

oh, it doesnt worry me, except when i think my sons could be contaminated!

[formal pilot]

Kukumbr strikes back

[ionic merlin]

thanks

[plush surge]

whaaattt

[severe river]

u muslim

[gritty echo]

It is not just a thing that develops, it can cause other things like hormones

[ionic merlin]

what what?

[gritty echo]

We want sex with a girl because our hormones say do it

[severe river]

ok

[ionic merlin]

sorry, not sure i understand

[sick mural]

I mean I get you, kids shouldn't really get to make decisions about their sexuality, but after 18, as a parent there's nothing you can do really.

[ionic merlin]

right.

[plush surge]

Hormones can help us feel something with someone of the same sex, I have felt it before, but it's a choice

[gritty echo]

And if someone had a bad experience with those hormones, you can be asexual too

[sick mural]

Brother...

U have felt something with someone of the same sex? 😭

[plush surge]

Hamas are ignorant people who have stupid ideas and who attack those who are stronger than them without worrying about the consequences.

[ionic merlin]

yes, but i know that in a world without social media they would be safe from the potential contamination but i would much rather my sons did not impart anything as disgusting as homosexuality

[sick mural]

Me neither

[plush surge]

Slightly brother, plus he looked a lot like a girl, but I wanted nothing to do with him

[sick mural]

But again I'm just 20 so idrk about the exact feeling you're talking about

[sick mural]

Oh

[gritty echo]

If your hormones say run you can feel fear

[ionic merlin]

you need to consider the individuals within, not the organisation.
if you lived under oppression for 20,30, 40years, if you saw children die, families have their homes stolen, their land taken, you would one day have enough and do something drastic regardless of the consequences

[gritty echo]

If your hormones are pumping your heart like crazy you can be so mad too

[sick mural]

My opinion is, we should not interfere with other people's dating/sexual life, regardless of who they wanna be with. This has nothing to do with supporting being gay or anything, but just that I believe in complete bodily autonomy

[ionic merlin]

i would agree with that.

[sick mural]

Like even if someone wanted to kill themselves, they should have the full right to do so

[gritty echo]

Feelings are just things coming from that , your body experiences something and about this feeling you just like or don't like , and your hormones do it in your entire life,

Same in the other creature's too

[ionic merlin]

but in a world where homosexuals get a disproportionate amount of air-time in the media, i think something needs to be done.

[ionic merlin]

true

[gritty echo]

Anyone can fuck anyone if there is no problem for both sides, but media is just pumping it to our eyes

[high raven]

Very smart and mature stance, this is how it should be

[ionic merlin]

there is truth in that too. but you cannot dismiss the influence media have on youger people and their orientation

[gritty echo]

I don't wanna see sexual scenes because of woke culture on Netflix,

[gritty echo]

It is their family's problem

Parents have to take care about their child's

[ionic merlin]

and unfortunetely influence young people who might otherwise turn out "normal"

[sick mural]

Thanks

[plush surge]

But a land belongs to a person normally, there were people before the Palestinians, like the Romans, who were massacred and before that the Egyptians of the time.
It's not good to kill, of course, but the real culprits are Hamas, they were looking for Israel, if they had done nothing, there would be nothing, and it's the strongest who wins, the Palestinians are lazy, they think they are sacred places, that's enough, lol

[gritty echo]

The dog's son will be a dog ,

Keychain is family

[plush surge]

idu bro 😂

[plush surge]

whaatN

[sick mural]

Lol

[gritty echo]

Metaphore,

[plush surge]

It's true, it's not my problem, but one day it will be

[plush surge]

[ionic merlin]

not true. if hamas had done nothing, the jews would have just carried on with their own killings (among other things) at a slow pace and that would have gone unnoticed as it tends to go.

[ionic merlin]

i agree.

[plush surge]

I'm not going to discuss this topic, but the mightiest is that the land belongs to the strongest.

[ionic merlin]

but you are wrong regarding hamas

[sick mural]

the Jews as in Jewish people?

[ionic merlin]

true too.

[ionic merlin]

yes, sorry.

[gritty echo]

Both sides are wrong, Hamas is a terrorist organism using civilians and Israel a terrorist country because of their actions, only innocents are dying civilians, women's and children's

[plush surge]

What's your nationality?

[ionic merlin]

i am not sure categorising hamas as a terrorist organisation is fair.
their existence is a reaction to oppression.

[sick mural]

Eh... This conflict, on the highest levels of authority doesn't really have anything to do with Jews owning Palestine or religion or whatever really

It's all political

[plush surge]

Yes, this is how life goes

[gritty echo]

If Palestine wanna take care of them, they shouldn't be doing useless actions in the past

[ionic merlin]

i was born in france but only spent a few years there

[gritty echo]

Palestine was a terrorist trader in the past,

[sick mural]

Like do you actually believe the very top level of Hamas and the very top level of the IDF aren't buddies? 😂 They are.

[plush surge]

But Israel needs land

[gritty echo]

And their people sold their land to Jews for money in past too

[plush surge]

And now?

[plush surge]

True

[ionic merlin]

i am not sure it is political, more likely "financial",land, space, resources

[gritty echo]

And everything's reason coming from trusting Britain's and rebel against ottomans,

We see the middle east after British colonies

They just sold their everything for money

[ionic merlin]

i have lived in 14 countries and i am now in china. i married two chinese women and i have three children here

[gritty echo]

And their grandchildren s are dying because of their actions

Today

[ionic merlin]

correct

[mint hatch]

are you a chinese native

[ionic merlin]

hold on, not many people sold of their own accord.
there was a lot of cohersion going on.

[ionic merlin]

lol, no, i only moved to china in 2010, i was already in my mid-30s

[gritty echo]

If they did not say hey you are doing the wrong thing with that ,

They are guilty as their too

If you are seeing the wrong thing and you are just watching it with no words

You are guilty too

[ionic merlin]

it is hard to argue with that but i d like to disagree

[plush surge]

ToRead : Guys, Nature has always been like this and will always be like this, a wolf kills a rabbit father in front of his child's eyes then a snake swallows one of them in atrocious suffering, the difference between all this is that it is publicized. A lion protects his land, one day another lion kills him and takes his land etc... Just us we are intelligent etc... So it has a greater influence in the world, but always the same principle, Like a quote from Nietzsche, Morality is something created by the weak to master the strong. And enjoy the present moment (So the place, the time the second etc... We have a life and that's how it is)

[ionic merlin]

fair point again. but here, as humans we have other options and we do not necessarily behave rationally in the matter

and the nietzsche quote is ridiculous.

[plush surge]

You have to know how to please yourself in order to please others. I would like to live in a peaceful world, but it is not impossible, because man is an extremely complex living being, so there is nothing we can do about it.

[feral river]

some of my people may have the limitation of freedom, but your limitation was your state with your IQ

[ionic merlin]

hello again, you know it's 00:45 here

[feral river]

and what the fuck are you exactly ? the place you are living in is irrelevant

[plush surge]

Nature changes slowly for us to notice it, and it hasn't changed much, knowing that there was no morale before, it was created to control the strong, you just have to minimize it

[ionic merlin]

and i disagree with you.

[feral river]

you know what level the irrelevant is

[plush surge]

[feral river]

I don't give a fuck dude

[ionic merlin]

lol

[feral river]

it's not the first time where somebody jumps out and say some stupid shit at me

[plush surge]

[feral river]

if I would mind that I would be super tired to handle these shit

[sick mural]

I give 2 fucks keep speaking

[ionic merlin]

i love it when people use that kind of language

[plush surge]

what things

[feral river]

with that ass you know he's a racist, low iq assh well

[sick mural]

What is this server all about btw?

[feral river]

nobody gives a fuck

[ionic merlin]

there was a conversation earlier about china, IQ, the education and political systems here, etc...

[ionic merlin]

since we are both in china and not too far apart, i do invite you to an impartial IQ test.

[sick mural]

Actually I give 1.5 fucks

[feral river]

who the fuck are you give me a IQ test ?

[sick mural]

@ionic merlin wait you're Chinese?

[ionic merlin]

no, i just live here. in guiyang. my first wife was from hefei, and second wife is from guizhou.

[plush surge]

In china?

[sick mural]

Oh okay. Where are you originally from?

[feral river]

hear, I don't have any time to deal with some stupid ass, if you have some issues or discussions just go on

and don't be an assh to talk with me

[ionic merlin]

dont tell people they have a low IQ if you refuse to take a test together

[plush surge]

france 😂

[sick mural]

Oh

Also is this an English learning server or sum?

[ionic merlin]

yes, born in france, british father, left when i was young and have lived in 14 countries.

[feral river]

who the heck are you exactly give me an IQ test lmao

what makes you think you are deserved to test my IQ

idk specifically

[ionic merlin]

you are making an ass of yourself merely through your use of language

[sick mural]

Wait how are yall using discord if you're from china?

[fresh flower]

I see you've met the village idiot

[feral river]

you are making your ass yourself towards me or somebody else which I don't give a fuck

[ionic merlin]

lol, already answered that one

[ionic merlin]

yes, he is a piece of work indeed.

[sick mural]

Ni hao

Is discord allowed in China?

[fresh flower]

No

You have to use a VPN, like in Turkey

[ionic merlin]

merely confirming what i wrote earlier about hte chinese though. he is a fair example of the breed.

[valid plover]

Nope but VPN allowed you

[feral river]

okay but no I don't think you deserve to do that so I reject that shit

[sick mural]

My boy @feral river breaking the law

[valid plover]

There are many people using VPN lmao

[feral river]

idk if you are kiss my little stuff that is breaking the law

[ionic merlin]

????

[feral river]

I'm very sorry about that

[timid beacon]

Hi there

[sick mural]

What

[ionic merlin]

i confirm it is very little

[valid plover]

I love Nietzsche's quotes

His quotes are amazing

His Theory it's good too

[feral river]

but it's enough to got that little shit

[ionic merlin]

they for the most part misguided too.

[feral river]

wtf is wrong with you

are you with that stupid ass ?

[valid plover]

? Am I talking to you?

[ionic merlin]

my wife and my previous wife both disagree

[sick mural]

Baguette 🥖

[feral river]

they have the right to remain slient

[sick mural]

Idk but it sounds like this guy is copying and pasting random phrases

[feral river]

unnecessary if you are dealing with a random guy

[sick mural]

Yes

[ionic merlin]

minecraft-652, there isnt much you can do about it, when a chinese woman tries foreigners they only reluctantly go back to the chinese stuff if ever.

[valid plover]

Yeah it's basic human rights

[feral river]

you are not required to use the brain to make things done this time because they are nothing

[ionic merlin]

lol, you wish.

[feral river]

do you understand what was the shit you are saying

[ionic merlin]

you ought to ask yourself that question.

[sick mural]

Parles tu français?

[valid plover]

This is not french server

Who speaks french though

[ionic merlin]

yes, i do . as well as a number of other languages

feel free to test me

[sick mural]

I wanted to see if he speaks french

[valid plover]

ok

[sick mural]

Deutsch?

[ionic merlin]

je parle francais, anglais, espagnol , portuguais, allemand et tcheque

is that enough for you?

[sick mural]

Yeah but do u speak German

[ionic merlin]

ja, ich habe in deutchland auch gewonnt

[sick mural]

Sehr gut

[feral river]

sometimes there was someone who randomly try to make themselves a piece of shit with no idea

[ionic merlin]

dank

[feral river]

I see that multiple times, nothing goes special

[ionic merlin]

talking about yourself?

[timid beacon]

@feral river Don't Reply himmm

[ionic merlin]

you chinese too?

[feral river]

thanks dude but nah I think there need to be replied

[ionic merlin]

the feeling is mutual, thats ridiculous though

[feral river]

idk what's going on with that guy who just talked a while with an assh and goes another direction being hostile towards any nice people

[timid beacon]

@feral river just ignore him we can't change his mentality

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/snopi-lendo-snopi-snoopy-snoopy-lendo-lendo-livros-gif-5635901276476740126

[feral river]

I don't have to and I don't give a shit to somebody's mentality

[timid beacon]

@feral river yeah

[ionic merlin]

well minecraft, i tell you what, i am going to have to join my young chinese wife who chose to go with a broke and old foreigner rather than a righ and stupid young chinese...

[timid beacon]

@high raven Hi Sanna wahtsapp

[high raven]

Hello pink role

What's the argument in here

[ionic merlin]

@sanna ignore this guy, w cant change his mentality (whatever that means....)

well, that was fun.

[feral river]

what you are expecting from that shit lmao

[high raven]

Are you arguing about China with Minecraft?

[feral river]

the fuck

[ionic merlin]

minecraft, i cant begin to explain how disappointed i am by your behaviour although a few people had warned me.

[turbid dome]

What is going on lmao

[shadow bronze]

Hi

[feral river]

he's arguing about the IQ rate between me and him and he's frustrated about it I see

nothing very special pretty average like this would happen everyday

[ionic merlin]

yes, i was a bit naive.
i thought his being here on discord was a sign he was different but clearly, i was wrong.

[high raven]

There's an easy way to settle who has the highest IQ.

A fortnite match

[turbid dome]

When you bring up IQ to win an argument it’s already joever

[ionic merlin]

what's that?

[turbid dome]

You lost

[feral river]

don't really have the time to settle that shit with a loser

[high raven]

You just won

[feral river]

just let it go

[ionic merlin]

oh, well. lol

[high raven]

Politics aside, are you into herbal tea? Is there a specific Chinese brand of tea you'd recommend?

I keep seeing videos of Chinese herbal tea online and it looks lovely

[feral river]

I'm in caffeine very deep

[ionic merlin]

hey, just look at it that way, you have lived in china and ... huh ,,, in china....
i have done a bit more than that and i can compare things in a way you cant.

[feral river]

not very interested to the tea dude even we used to have a lot of tea but not for me

[turbid dome]

Stop trying to keep the argument going nobody cares

[feral river]

I didn't taste there was very much special stuff contained in the tea

[ionic merlin]

i make a mix of my own that works really well for headaches and other small things

[feral river]

dude next time bring some new shit pls if you are saying you are going outside or somewhere whatever

I just don't know where the fucking confident you have to confront with me in that way

[high raven]

Same here, I think I average 4 cups of coffee on a workday, I'm trying to mix it up a little with tea though

[ionic merlin]

who is keeping the argument going now then?

[feral river]

me so what ?

so what ?

[ionic merlin]

you ought to quit work then

[feral river]

are you something ?

boring

[feral river]

that's a little bit too much I think

[high raven]

Oh no the work itself isn't stressful or anything, I'm just addicted to caffeine and have been for years

[ionic merlin]

well, entertain us to an interesting conversation then.

[ionic merlin]

no, you missed the joke there

[timid beacon]

that's a not good for health

[high raven]

It's lower than I used to drink during uni years 😂

[feral river]

I don't see how it was interesting to question one's IQ with nothing in question

and till now I didn't see you type any high IQ stuff at least till now but I don't conclude your IQ

[high raven]

Nothing is good for your health, I drink it black though so at least I'm keeping the sugar to a minimum

[feral river]

I think you hold yourself very carefully anyway I respect that

[ionic merlin]

you misunderstand, i am not "questioning" anyone's IQ, merely stating what i have witnessed here in china over a 15 year period and then YOU ARE the one who made "low IQ" jibes.

[feral river]

dude you asked me that shit I don't think I need the bring that by scroll all this shit up, just it's done

[uncut tiger]

damn friendly fire

[feral river]

I don't care that shit anymore

[timid beacon]

@high raven "Haha fair enough! Black coffee is definitely the healthier way to go — no sugar, no cream, just pure caffeine power. Everything in moderation, right?"

[feral river]

who the fuck cares if that happens on you

[uncut tiger]

YO

RABAIL?

[high raven]

The chatgpt reply is sending me 😂😂😂

[uncut tiger]

where you from @timid beacon

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger I'm from Pakistan

@high raven yeah

[uncut tiger]

youve got an oldschool name

[ionic merlin]

i didnt ask you anything, you are being ridiculous now.
you missed the debate then arrived an hour later and started lambasting, just as i was told you would do actually.

[timid beacon]

I'm practice to speak English but my mind goes blank

[feral river]

okay I don't give a fuck about that right now

[uncut tiger]

he is chinese fellow

[feral river]

I assume you are right okay ?

that's it

[uncut tiger]

chowmein chowmein chow chow

[thin spear]

STOP FIGHTING NOWS BAD CHILDREN

[fresh flower]

I'm lightyears ahead

[sick mural]

Did u just get that from ChatGPT? 💀

[ionic merlin]

fair point.

[fresh flower]

You can't have a sensible conversation with him, he's like 13 year olds

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger how can you say that?

[feral river]

behind american bases

🇺🇸

[uncut tiger]

my mum has that name and shes old

never seen anyone else with that name

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger ohh where are you from

[uncut tiger]

the holy land

[sick mural]

Is that the swedish flag?

[timid beacon]

Ok

[manic juniper]

My IQ is 66, it's a reference to Order 66 from Star Wars

[fresh flower]

Pack my Temu order neatly lil boy

[fresh flower]

Yessir

[uncut tiger]

i took two IQ tests, first one said i got 137, second one said i have 108. Which one is more believable?

[sick mural]

My IQ is 50 it's a reference to nothing

[ionic merlin]

actually , there is one thing to be said for minecraft, his english is much better than what i usually experience here even from people who graduate with "english majors"

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger But I seen many girls with that name

[uncut tiger]

idk you might be living in some poor village

[manic juniper]

Wouldn't that be 0?

[feral river]

I know you guys have the ikea mines, more ikea shit assh

[uncut tiger]

im in islamabad

[manic juniper]

I'm too low IQ to get references

[sick mural]

Oh no

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger No I'm living in a city

[fresh flower]

If only his personality and maturity was much better too 😦

[uncut tiger]

which one

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger I'm From Multan

[fresh flower]

My IQ test came back negative thank God 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[feral river]

im uneducated

[uncut tiger]

yea i get it now, im from there too

[ionic merlin]

i agree ikea is shit now. they sold quality stuff in the 80s and went all out capitalist after that.

[sick mural]

My IQ is -69

[feral river]

dude didn't got my point

[uncut tiger]

where are you from bro

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765

[sick mural]

This is crazy

[ionic merlin]

lol

[fresh flower]

@feral river 动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger how is it possible first you say I'm from Islamabad and now you are saying Multan

[feral river]

FOR IKEA SHIT MINE THAT SHIT

[uncut tiger]

im omnipresent

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger Hahaha

[manic juniper]

Integer overflow

[feral river]

lmao

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger How old are you?

[uncut tiger]

what do you have to say about my IQ dilemma

[uncut tiger]

underage

[feral river]

today I just finished an education program online for the CCP

[manic juniper]

由你玩四年

[fresh flower]

You can't have a normal conversation with him so I just troll him

[ionic merlin]

thats scary

[feral river]

that reminds some shit I told somebody the cultural revolution thing and great leap forward

[fresh flower]

Btw is that your actual pet snake?

[timid beacon]

@uncut tiger good

[fresh flower]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-meme-silly-gif-17650626278428411912

[ionic merlin]

you know this is a naive view of things.

[fresh flower]

Positive scp for completion, negative scp for speaking the language of the imperialist and nefarious English people

[feral river]

not really I know this very fundamentally and I know the details about how could it happen, how it happened and how it was ended, also the impact and the different of views between west and here

[ionic merlin]

lol

[feral river]

I just know how it was serious to the party and the state

[manic juniper]

Anglo-Saxons, not English

[feral river]

and I think I explained very well about it

[fresh flower]

Thank you Finnoid

[ionic merlin]

knowing is one thing, you need to understand the implications too.

[manic juniper]

You're welcome hurri

[feral river]

that's the part I have said

[manic juniper]

+16 Reindeer Points

[fresh flower]

Wait aren't you one? Didn't you learn Swedish in school?

[ionic merlin]

tervetuloa!
nimeni on aleksi

rakastan suomea!

[fresh flower]

PERKELE

[manic juniper]

Knowing some Swedish doesn't make one hurri, we are tsuhna or chukhna

[ionic merlin]

puhuteko suomea?

[feral river]

don't know what you are saying dude

[manic juniper]

And I'm not Finland Swedish I'm a Finnmarkian Kainulainen ultranationalist

[feral river]

just type Chinese if you are trying

[manic juniper]

It's Finnish

[feral river]

gosh

[ionic merlin]

sorry, that was finnish. not meant for you. that was meant for isfrun

[feral river]

Finland Soviet Socialist Republics

[fresh flower]

Are you a fan of Pentti Linkola

I like him

[manic juniper]

Kumarreksituteskenteleentuvaisehkollaismaisekkuudellisenneskenteluttelemattomammuuksissansakaankopahan 🦌🤑🤑🧾

[feral river]

what the

heck

[ionic merlin]

i thought the longest word in the world was danish...

[manic juniper]

not a fan but he's in the top 100 greatest Finns altar in my sauna

[ionic merlin]

is it not a danish word?

[fresh flower]

Those filthy flatlanders could never construct a word that long

[manic juniper]

There is no longest word in certain languages, Finnish is agglutinative so you can create an infinitely long word

Same for Estonian and Hungarian or any Uralic language

[ionic merlin]

oh .. slright i take your word for it.

[fresh flower]

No way, do you have an actual sauna?

[ionic merlin]

yes, i remember that.

[fresh flower]

Living the dream

[ionic merlin]

i actually lived in finland. i used to speak fair finnish.

[manic juniper]

I think one in five people have a private sauna if not more

[ionic merlin]

shame one forgets. that was over thirty years ago. i lived in espoo

[feral river]

not very expensive to set one

[manic juniper]

It's only ~1000€ to build one and I built a sauna with my aunt since she has feats unlike me

[feral river]

but we don't have that trait which attract enough people from taking it

it didn't commercialize it well

[fresh flower]

I'm sure you have some feats lil bro don't beat yourself up too hard

[manic juniper]

-83 reindeerrions sauna points, we must import and promote saunas in the great Middle Country

[manic juniper]

I am very good at finding and catching grasshoppers

[feral river]

btw besides sauna I prefer onsen

[fresh flower]

Ignore what I just said 🙏🏻

[feral river]

onsen will dominate the world

and that will replace sauna

[ionic merlin]

unlikely.

[manic juniper]

Better than no sauna at all

Fuck all the saunaless countries

More saunas and banya for everyone

[feral river]

Declare the war on the countries which doesn't have an ONSEN

ONSEN FOR EVERYONE

JAPAN 1ST

[fresh flower]

Damn you can even order a sauna on Temu

Woman not included

[ionic merlin]

lol

[feral river]

that could be included

if you pay that enough

[ionic merlin]

really.... that s disgraceful

[fresh flower]

Filthy afk farmer

https://tenor.com/view/dale-walking-dead-i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-gif-3136629546574604277

[feral river]

don't you have that special software ?

come on I'm a network security engineer

[manic juniper]

My PS3 is vanilla, no mods

I could easily do it with an autofire plugin if modded

[fresh flower]

I just noticed it's a ps3

Which game is it?

[manic juniper]

Ratchet & Clank HD

https://youtu.be/-xhEJYJ0xdc

[fresh flower]

The old ones were goated, the latest one is an insult to them

[manic juniper]

Literally the first comment is about the dogshit one million bolts trophy

[fresh flower]

I hope they don't remake Jak & Dexter

[manic juniper]

The first game can be remade without consequences

It's literally a Crash Bandicoot+ and I don't think they would do a full remake like R&C, which wasn't even Insomniac's decision

[fresh flower]

I'm guessing you own a PS1 too?

[manic juniper]

Lol, kind of

How does one explain that

[fresh flower]

Emulated?

[manic juniper]

I found a PS1's shell (the internal components were partially missing) abandoned on a road in the middle of nowhere

At 4 AM

I brought it back home, I cleaned it and I use it as decoration now. But I don't have an actual working PS1

I have real PS1 hardware in a sense because the PS2 contains actual PS1 components

[fresh flower]

Wait... Dude... How many consoles do you own? Are you a Sony fanatic or do you have the old Xbox too?

[uncut tiger]

bro that was mine

i was walking my grandma that day

[formal pilot]

Rescued his arse

[fresh flower]

I just googled and I was 3 when ps3 came out holy moly

[uncut tiger]

can i ask a racist question

[manic juniper]

Nope, I used to be a Sony fan and I own most of their consoles besides a working PS1 and a PocketStation, I don't have any "legit" console from other companies besides a semi-official mini Sega Genesis

[formal pilot]

Sure

[uncut tiger]

are you brown or white

[manic juniper]

Evil

[fresh flower]

POCKETSTATION????

[formal pilot]

Mix

[manic juniper]

I would like to own an original Xbox and a 360

[fresh flower]

Dude NO WAY

[manic juniper]

My aunt has one but I do not

[fresh flower]

That's so cool, I've only heard of that in a youtube video, I had no idea some people actually owned them

[fresh flower]

Is she a nerd? (Positive)

[manic juniper]

She's much better

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cry-crybaby-speech-bubble-speech-gif-26148286

[formal pilot]

Yes, it bit me

[manic juniper]

Is it a rose-ringed parakeet?

[fresh flower]

😭😭😭😭

[formal pilot]

Yes, wings are damaged

Found it in a gutter 💀

[manic juniper]

How damaged? Just externally or the skeleton too?

https://tenor.com/view/bird-white-bird-grouse-snow-bird-ptarmigan-gif-9301709833510254699

[formal pilot]

Seems external, probably a victim of bullying

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/clucking-the-forbidden-river-crowing-squawk-mating-call-gif-19235855

These two are the most charismatic birds in Europe

Ironically one seems like the supervillain version of the other

[formal pilot]

First one looks like a pegion

[manic juniper]

If it's just external then it's not too bad, it will be able to fly again

[formal pilot]

Yes, it'll be taking refuge at my place until it starts to fly again

https://tenor.com/view/looking-for-food-cassowary-robert-e-fuller-hunting-fishing-gif-4580775967697272486

[fresh flower]

Ruined the racism channel with this bird talk🤬🤬🤬🤬

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/птица-юля-мем-gif-4986286438343224280

[manic juniper]

Least impressive Australasian bird

[formal pilot]

True dinasaur

[feral river]

we need another war on bird

Operation birdbirdrossa

[fast steppe]

Hii guys, what's the topic?

[high raven]

Cool birds, I think

[fast steppe]

Ohh, i don't know about birds 😔

[manic juniper]

Not even those in your country?

[fallen lintel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290161610836545640/1291362002920407080/bounce.gif

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[feral river]

there should be a country with no birds

[sharp thunder]

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[fast steppe]

Guajolote

Guajolote is Mexican bird

[fresh flower]

"Good faith" is pretty rich

Are you morons done cutting people off when they try to say their point?

[fringe temple]

She don't speak no English, money talk type shi'

[manic juniper]

Turkeys?

[fast steppe]

Exactly

Hahaha

[manic juniper]

Nice, they are fierce and I like them

[fast steppe]

When i was a kid, a turkey chased me

Ducks are scary

[turbid dome]

#1 bird

[manic juniper]

Isn't that dangerous, they are large and heavy

[feral river]

There’s no such term that could enforced on a state that wasn’t capitulated to anyone yet

If you win the war against them, taking everything, put them into jail, say they are terrorists fascists whatever you want

But if you lose the war, ready to be treated like exactly what I’m saying

Who won the war, who define everything

Use your moral standard or some other toilet papers that doesn’t have any enforcement to evaluate certain side, ready to pay for that one

Very costly

And who will win the war is very clear now

Long Live the War on Terror 🇺🇸 🇮🇱 🇨🇳 🇷🇺 🇫🇷 🇬🇧

[plush surge]

Somebody That I Used To Know

[thorn current]

.

[fresh flower]

Bro slipped his own country in as if these bums have done anything on the world stage relating to fighting

A four star general in China has less experience than a 10 year old who has played CS:GO

You should replace China's flag with India, at least those guys have a little experience

Disappearing your uncle Jio-Ming for posting "Free Tibet" on WeChat is not fighting terrorism

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/pfft-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-holding-laugh-covering-laugh-gif-10899551814881068905

[turbid dome]

China’s strategy literally being “trade more, trade harder”

Economy 1000

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/07/08/elon-musks-grok-ai-chatbot-is-posting-antisemitic-comments-.html

[last acorn]

What happened with those christian fellows
And what are those interpretations brother?

You can eat from Ahlu al kitab btw
And if someone didn't recieve the true message of islam he will have a special test in the day of judgement

I've never heard of this
Is this an Aya or a hadith?
I know that hadith that says : يا أيها الناس، إن ربكم واحد، وإن أباكم واحد. ألا لا فضل لعربي على أعجمي، ولا لأعجمي على عربي، ولا لأحمر على أسود، ولا لأسود على أحمر، إلا بالتقوى

Be specific in your words so people can get your point
And I don't know whether you are doing dawah or smth else
Because if you want to do dawah you will have to gradually ask that person of what do he believe in and step by step from a logical points
Not by saying inaccurate words that can be understood by them in a way different ways

[manic juniper]

You would be too, you have a pagan symbol as pfp

[thorny steeple]

What does the term (harbis) refer to?

[sharp thunder]

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[thorny steeple]

It's not up to you to decide who will go to heaven or be punished. Besides, what the hell u saying by fighting against an apostate like it's not ur business if they left Islam

No

Man are you aiming to interfere in others’ lives or what

It's not up to anyone. There s freedom of religion

What should be applied are the modern civil laws

For you maybe. However, you will never see it

Lol

[spice bobcat]

Yet none use it.

So they all are kuffar by what you mean.

And look where it's gone.

[thorny steeple]

Who told you that those narrations are authentic

It's called a terrorist government yea

[spice bobcat]

The subjectivist fallacy.

[thorny steeple]

Everything is terrorism

You might got to keep the halal and haram for you. We are free

Another terrorist group

[spice bobcat]

So, you say if they don't follow Sharia they are kuffar. But they don't follow sharia, so it's fine. But then you say it makes you a khariji if you take your statement literally. Are you talking in metaphors?

Well, then how is it not implemented. It makes no sense.

[formal pilot]

I disagree

[spice bobcat]

You're just throwing words. Khawarij rebel against their Muslim rulers.

That's true. It's more about implementation.

[thorny steeple]

In general ( not a religious standpoint ) obeying a ruler isn't a must esp when they re corrupt

Like obeying the prime minister ( Netanyahu ) or the king of KSA.… lol

Yea anyway we should respect the CIVIL laws

That doesn't make sense

I don't know

I'm not worrying about anything

[jolly agate]

It’s a saying big brain

[thorny steeple]

I got it apparently

[polar orbit]

in portuguese, this is "black people"

lol

[quick musk]

lmao the guy showed a chocolate from Brazil too with a similar racist name😭

[polar orbit]

Not necessarily "ne gro" it is a racial offense

[quick musk]

Middle Easterns are the least racist people, idk where did this guy find of all this

[high raven]

The lebanese part is referencing "Ras al abd"

It translates to "slaves head"

A more fitting image to get the point across

[thorny steeple]

The babylonians destroyed the first temple of the jews in 586 bc and then Persians who took over allowed them to come back and rebuild the second temple when they was Zoroastrian. Then the Greeks who came later and then Romans destroyed the second temple in 70 bc then the empires after Babylonians → Persians → Greeks → Romans → Byzantines → Arabs → Crusaders → Mamluks → Ottomans → British.

Jews came back to reestablish the nation of Israel formerly know as the land of juad due to antisemitism, the holocaust and the UN voted for a jewish and arab state and also the nakba jews were being kicked out of muslim nations due to antisemitism. So yeah

[high raven]

I strongly disagree with the "Middle Easterners are the least racist people" part though

[thorny steeple]

Who isn't racist is my question especially in ignorant countries

[quick musk]

omg are you Lebanese? 😭

I understand Arabic hun

[quick musk]

I sent one about it here too

[quick musk]

why?

[high raven]

I am ethnically! Where are you from yourself if you don't mind me asking?

[quick musk]

And the ignorant countries are ...?

[quick musk]

ohh my neighbor

im from syria

[high raven]

Just based on my personal experience, some of the most racist people I've come across were from the ME. Colorism, anti-Blackness, and discrimination against migrant workers is very normalised, the younger generations see past it but the older ones are mostly still stuck in their ways

[turbid dome]

Tbh idk if there’s a “least racist” place

Everywhere has their own special racism

I guess you can go off of systemic racism but even then it’s surprisingly everywhere

[quick musk]

I mean not gonna lie, middle easterns can be so racist but towards each other....it's not really about color. so I guess not racism but another term which idk
There are many middle Easterns of afro origin living normally

[thorny steeple]

I guess 3rd world reallt

[high raven]

There's different forms of it too, this might sound weird but I'd much rather prefer experiencing in your face, blatant, racism than the closeted lowkey one there is going on in Norway

[turbid dome]

Understandable

[quick musk]

The first world countries aren't racist at all, sure ya bri"ish

[high raven]

Oh I agree on the first part, there's lots of hate between each other, I personally dislike most Saudis and those from the Gulf states, we all have our beef

[turbid dome]

UK: we’re not racist we just have to colonize the world to “civilize” them. We want the best for them really.

[turbid dome]

Kafala might be the worst tbh

[thorny steeple]

1st world too but idk

[high raven]

That's a good reason! Wonder how many will die for the Saudi world cup in 2034, it will have to be record numbers

They already have a poor record when it comes to construction projects

[turbid dome]

Don’t worry, not many Saudis will die, just the impoverished and enslaved south Asian economic migrants 💀

[high raven]

Oh it's already happening https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/05/14/saudi-arabia-migrant-workers-electrocuted-decapitated-and-falling-death-workplaces

[quick musk]

I thought most beef is between syrians and Lebanese 😭while it's Iraqis that hate Saudis. Why don't you like gulf countries?

[turbid dome]

Classic Saudi Arabia moment, anyways time for the US to approve even more weapons sales to them 💀

[quick musk]

just say all countries

[turbid dome]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system

my main one

Modern day slavery

[quick musk]

but I notice when tourists visit the middle east or Asian countries they say they're been welcomed warmly more than in Europe or America

[turbid dome]

Yeah they’re the ones with money, the things they’re visiting as tourists were built by slaves, the main racism is the slavery part

[quick musk]

oh yeah I know about this, but also if you looked at if from another perspective, people will always complain. In Europe they claim immigrants destroyed their countries and commit "most" crimes. While gulf countries have less crimes but so strict on immigrants
I don't know if which is worse

[turbid dome]

Yeah except in Europe they’re delusional and it’s austerity destroying their countries and natives committing most crimes per capita.

[thorny steeple]

What if I just say Mongolia?

[quick musk]

are you sure it's the natives committing most crimes? I think I saw fake statistics then

[turbid dome]

Pretty sure

Show the stats if you have them

[quick musk]

I'm sure it's fake news, I know Golan heights won't be given back that easily ....

but I meant this beef is mainly because of the past

you know we say Lebanon is a Syrian city lol

[quick musk]

I'm not Mongolian but they're too chill to bother themselves with any of us

[high raven]

It is! I love stirring up the debate on Christmas dinners once all the old uncles are drunk enough

[thorny steeple]

Cuz of ur username thought u were mongol

[turbid dome]

You’re telling me uncles arent always drunk?

[high raven]

They are, more often than not, but the Arak fuels their inner politician

[turbid dome]

Lmaooooo, yeah both my uncles are always drinking, and one is always drunk

Literally always

Went to the store to buy him beer once and it was 72 cans for 5 days 💀

Or maybe a week

[quick musk]

i couldn't find much on google as most of the ones I've seen before were on social media by "save Europe" accounts
But I found this website, explaining how the crimes increased after immigration in Sweden and who are the usual suspects

[quick musk]

so what's the origin of tabbouleh

[quick musk]

im searching for them😭if you think I'm one I bet you've never seen one

[turbid dome]

Ahhh yeah, ok so this isn’t contextualized then (btw the save Europe accounts are all just super racist people).

Crime is pretty directly linked to wealth, and as immigrants have to give up everything to move, they are more likely to be poor (they also may be fleeing a warzone). If you compare apples to apples (impoverished Swedes to impoverished refugees) it will look about the same.

Additionally, Sweden has redefined some crimes, such as in 2018 they expanded the definition of rape, which doesn’t mean more rapes are occurring, it just means more are being reported and recorded.

Also that is people suspected, not convicted of crimes.

So that’s not even crime rates, that is potential crime rates, which can easily be influenced by racism. You could be completely falsely suspected of a crime, as happens to black people in the US all the time

[quick musk]

yeah there was a similar website talking about Americans of foreign background are more likely to commit crimes but no evidence supplied

Europe needed immigrants after all

[turbid dome]

Yeah the issue is people see raw statistics and take it at face value, but no statistic is isolated as there’s always other factors

[turbid dome]

Yup, funny thing is them screaming about a population crisis while also screaming about immigrants

[turbid dome]

The statistics don’t lie, just the people presenting them

[quick musk]

I remember I've read an article about how Sweden sterlized thousands of "non smart" women because they didn't want them to bear children that aren't smart

then they wonder about the population crisis lol

[turbid dome]

Damn I’ll have to read on that but sounds like your average CIA program in Peru

[quick musk]

Search for it, I couldn't believe it myself

[turbid dome]

Yeah seems they’re screaming there’s just not enough white people

[quick musk]

you should join the politics and religion vc sometimes 😭there are many funny people

[thorny steeple]

Iris hru

[turbid dome]

Also “rebellious or promiscuous” or “of mixed blood” 💀💀💀💀💀

[turbid dome]

I want to not lose my temper

Maybe I will if I get bored

[quick musk]

like one claiming "Muslims are taking over Europe, soon it'll be brown"
I discovered Muslim is an ethnicity that day 😂

[quick musk]

I'm fine wbuu

[turbid dome]

Here in the US it’s practically used interchangeably with Arab

[thorny steeple]

Great.
Found any Mongolian?

[turbid dome]

Like the scare over Zohran Mamdani winning the NYC mayoral primary and people claiming there will be a new caliphate, it’s so hysterical that it’s constant entertainment

[quick musk]

oh you mean they think Muslim = Arab?

[turbid dome]

Idk a lot of people refer to Arabs as brown

[turbid dome]

Yes, so they think he’s an Arab but his mother is Indian and his father is an Indian who lived in Uganda

But he’s Muslim so yk

[quick musk]

I guessed from his name he's Pakistani so pretty close

[quick musk]

and middle easterns/middle Easterns are put in the white category in the us 😭

[turbid dome]

Orissa and Bombay

[turbid dome]

Depends entirely on their name and how they look

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-thiago-mad-angry-fist-emoji-gif-17761307

[quick musk]

yeah Arabs are diverse, no specific look honestly but I meant there's like categories and Arabs are included in the white one, there's black, Hispanic, Asian and native American

[high raven]

I'm very "white" looking myself, most of my coworkers didn't know I was Lebanese until I told them

Upside is you face no discrimination in Europe, downside is you face discrimination for it in the ME

[turbid dome]

Yeah well there’s sort of a “brown” category. I’d say Lebanese, some Jordanians, and some Palestinians are very much in “white”

More frequently then others

Like if you have a middle eastern name you’ll get hit with the check at TSA

“Random” checks

[quick musk]

You're discriminated for it in the ME?

[high raven]

Poor Mustafa Abdul Jabbar was RANDOMLY selected for a screening

[quick musk]

In the past, only whites were granted citizenship in America, so there was a Christian Syrian that claimed they're white and won the case in the court and since then middle Easterns are considered white I think

They even mentioned he's caucasian lmao

but maybe it was actually his religion that helped him win the case

[turbid dome]

Like for women if you wear a hijab and for men if you have a long beard, you will be discriminated against. Here politicians generally avoid having beards

[turbid dome]

Probably

[high raven]

I've heard some "You're not a real Arab" comments, which I actually agree with, not in Lebanon itself when I've visited but more so in other countries in the ME

[quick musk]

I'm glad our family names make no sense

Neither in Arabic nor foreign languages

[turbid dome]

Yeah they can be legally white but they’re still going to experience systemic discrimination

[subtle geyser]

Interesting topic you guys are having right here

[fringe temple]

I see

[high raven]

I have the cliche naming scheme for Lebanese Christians, "White" first name and an Arabic last name

[quick musk]

irl nobody says that, only on insta all Arabs are fake Arabs except the Gulf Arabs ....are you the pheoncian nationalist type?

[turbid dome]

Americans are so dumb the first person to be hate crimed after 9/11 was Sikh but the attacker thought they were Muslim because they’re dumb 💀

[turbid dome]

Or the French colonial name 💀

[quick musk]

some can't be distinguished so not really, I could integrate in most places I've been to (until I speak ofc)

[quick musk]

fakeee

[quick musk]

Reminds me of the turkish😭first Arabic name and then a Turkic last name

[turbid dome]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanine_Pirro

[high raven]

Oh no not that bad, I'd say Syriac-Aramaic more so than Arab

[fringe temple]

Uh huh

[high raven]

I know many Jean-Paul's and Geneviève's 😭

[thorny steeple]

Book a plane ticket to Mongolia and you'll answer your question

[turbid dome]

There’s your mongols

[severe river]

Hi guys

[quick musk]

Oo do you follow the Syriac church? Or have Syrian roots

do you speak aramaic?

[quick musk]

after I retire from life, I'm planning to. It's big with empty landscapes

[quick musk]

https://tenor.com/view/mongolian-gif-24685364

They're extinct on discord

[turbid dome]

Too busy reclaiming an empire ig

[fringe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/mongol-mongolian-mongolia-santa-claus-gif-5639676518544611850

[quick musk]

this might be the reason of their silence ||but with their small population they can't conquer a little neighboring land i believe 😭||

[turbid dome]

Believe in them

[quick musk]

yesss I should find a real mongol warrior to interrogate

[turbid dome]

*respect

[olive herald]

@quick musk

[high raven]

I do yes, Syriac-Orthodox, I don't think there's much Syrian roots though, as far as I know we go back to the Beqaa valley since my great-great-great-grandparents, there's many Syriac-Aramiacs from Syria though, especially Qamishli, Mardin and Hassakeh

[quick musk]

He's a fake mongolll

[olive herald]

Oh

😩

[olive herald]

?

[quick musk]

that's nice! The Arameans lived in the levant but never met an aramean Lebanese. Mardin used to be part of Syria but not anymore

[fringe temple]

Haha

[quick musk]

Do you speak any aramean dialect?

[turbid dome]

I can’t figure out where you’re from lol

[fringe temple]

She is a black women from Nigeria

[quick musk]

fake mongol

[turbid dome]

My initial guess was Mongolia but definitely not

[quick musk]

Guess? I hinted to it a lot lol 😭

[turbid dome]

Somewhere in the Middle East, my guess is Jordan, Syria, or Iraq

[high raven]

We're few and far between, I reckon the diaspora is in the low thousands, you're likely to run into a Maronite, there's around 1.5 million of them

[high raven]

Mardin should be Syrian again though, this is another case of the Brits cutting up land that isn't theirs

[ionic merlin]

good day crowd.
what are we up to today?
lambasting china?

[turbid dome]

No

[high raven]

Not yet

[ionic merlin]

lol

[ionic merlin]

i think this comment is unfair. the french have done their bit too.

[quick musk]

yess the second guess

[turbid dome]

Ahh ok

[quick musk]

yeah Maronites😭and the nationalists are really aggressive

[quick musk]

Lol

What's this

[fringe temple]

Serie A
Syria

[quick musk]

Me too I hope, even its name is of Syriac origin:/ I talked to some from there usually Kurds and Arab speaking people

[quick musk]

both of them( sikes picot agreement)

[quick musk]

suriya

[turbid dome]

Sri Lanka

[ionic merlin]

indeed. sponsored by the jewish lobby and the U.S. who didn't actually want to take any more of them

[fringe temple]

Sounds like an indian name

[high raven]

I know what you mean, but as far as Lebanon and Syria is concerned, the French suppressed local resistance and imposed harsh, divisive rule through their colonization of the region, but the Brits manipulated borders and fostered sectarian divisions that to this day is causing instability in the region. They're both really bad, but I'd argue that the Brits had a longer lasting negative effect in the region

[fringe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/tamim-iqbal-tamim-tamim-iqbal-khan-malinga-lasith-malinga-gif-6232668555724817380

[quick musk]

noo

[fringe temple]

Suriya is a south indian name

[ionic merlin]

oh yes!!!!

[fringe temple]

One of the best cricket players of all time

[quick musk]

does it have a meaning in indian

[fringe temple]

It means Sun. It's a quite popular name

[ionic merlin]

people, i have a question.
can anyone recommend a decent audio source of international information?

and "decent" clearly means the B.B.C. doesn't qualify.

[high raven]

Reuters releases podcasts on Spotify

[ionic merlin]

i wouldnt use spotify. or any othr other such application.
i have been boycotting U.S. and amreican interests for 20 years, not going to change now.

sorry, nothing to do with mridul s message.

[high raven]

Spotify is and always has been a Swedish product though

[ionic merlin]

the same way carrefour is a french owned supermarket chain that sell products grown on stolen land in palestine and pays the money to jewish interests.

spotify has massive U.S. interests.

[quick musk]

I need to search for the origin of it

[ionic merlin]

i was thinking the same. also because there might be some other origin. i often come accross words in diverse languages that sound similar but have completely different meanings and origins.

not dismissing the possible link to sri-lanka though, sun - levant, it makes sense.

[high raven]

That's true, they have a substantial market share, revenue contributions, and legal engagements in the U.S, Carrefour selling in settlements is direct complicity, Spotify streaming music globally isn't really funding occupation or tied to any settler economy unless you view the US as a settler economy

In that case, where does one draw the line

[ionic merlin]

i do, the U.S. sponsors terrorism in the middle-east, i am sure that hasnt evaded you.

[high raven]

I understand your point, but by that logic we should all stop using the internet since it's built by the U.S.

[ionic merlin]

i agree, drawing the line is very very hard. if it told you the things i do or decline to do/engage in because of my boycotting, you would be surprised.