🧠｜serious-chat

[gritty echo]

Right now

[neon sierra]

lying?

[dapper laurel]

You have literally militarily occupied the countries surrounding you, this is a form of oppression, what is not clear in this?

[neon sierra]

do you think our struggles is a joke

[gritty echo]

Struggles aren't just only for Kurds you know right do you think Turks are living well In these country

[neon sierra]

you can search up the kurdish language ban

[neon sierra]

yeah when did i deny it but youre trying to normalise whatever that shouldnt be normalised

[thorny steeple]

Probably only a few were occupied militarily. You say all. I want evidence.

[gritty echo]

I'm not saying the ottoman empire or Turkish republic doesn't have any faults or something like that I don't like most of Ottoman policies about Anatolia

But I can't refuse other because of that

[neon sierra]

mhm surely

[gritty echo]

You are refusing all of that because of this

It is the difference

[dapper laurel]

So you mean that the conquest of the Byzantine Empire, the fall of Constantinople, the oppression of the Balkans and the Caucasus happened peacefully?

[gritty echo]

I don't have a problem with Kurds but if someone saying this lands are Kürdistan we will take this lands from yours

It is a problem than

Just imagine someone doing it in America

[neon sierra]

youbdont even know what you yap about

[gritty echo]

Or in Europe

They will banned

Surely

[neon sierra]

you dont even fucking know what kurdistan is, yesterday you said it was the flag of PKK

[thorny steeple]

I repeat. You say everyone was oppressed. Where is the evidence for "everyone"?

[gritty echo]

Yeah because in turkey PKK using it

[neon sierra]

all u do is yap and then hey i have kurdish friends yada yada

[neon sierra]

THEY HAVE ANOTHER FLAG

[gritty echo]

Supporters doing it

[thorny steeple]

only some and not all @gritty echo

[gritty echo]

Supporters using this flag in turkey

And they talking about Kürdistan should be remade in these lands

[dapper laurel]

Because military occupation is a form of oppression and I don't believe that the people within the borders of the empire peacefully asked to be occupied

[gritty echo]

They are just trying to split the country

How I can be positive about that

My tons of friends died because of Kurdish terrorist attacks

[dapper laurel]

You literally occupied them

[manic juniper]

What's bad about that

[gritty echo]

Ahahahahah

[neon sierra]

we already got split

[gritty echo]

Yeh say the same thing in USA or china or in Russia

[dapper laurel]

Inferiority complex

[gritty echo]

What is the bad about it

[manic juniper]

They should be split too

[gritty echo]

The world doesn't work like that

[neon sierra]

it is not like our identity gets respected for us to live under one roof

[manic juniper]

It's the same with genocide, you don't do it and pretend nothing happened

[gritty echo]

Dude Turks have ruled this land since the 11th century

[neon sierra]

we are not forced to your identity to make u feel comfortable

[manic juniper]

[dapper laurel]

Ideally it should work like this, but unfortunately Turkey exists

[thorny steeple]

Conquest does not equal widespread oppression. And secondly, I'll repeat myself for the tenth time. You say everyone was oppressed even though it was only a few. And you have no evidence for "everyone" so far

[gritty echo]

We aren't new in this geography

We came here a long long time ago

[dapper laurel]

So? This justifies you to occupy foreign peoples? I hope they rebel one day

[gritty echo]

Why are Kurds ruled by every time from different nations

Not just for an ottoman empire

[gritty echo]

Back in these times they don't even have real country states like that

[neon sierra]

[gritty echo]

Xd

[dapper laurel]

Temperature IQ certified

[gritty echo]

Why do Kurds just live under so many flags and they don't build their own empire

[manic juniper]

Literally everyone when they lose arguments here: B-but the world doesn't work like that!

[thorny steeple]

for the tenth time you still can't provide any evidence for "all neighbors" you are very intelligent

[neon sierra]

but hey we should normalise genocides

they happen and has always been there so why should we care

[manic juniper]

That's how the world is, those people cannot be saved anymore

[dapper laurel]

There is no need to create an empire, they just need independence

[gritty echo]

Just why we don't talk about Kurdish rebellions more then 50 in the start of after building Turkish republic

[manic juniper]

Why are [insert_historically_oppressed_people] stateless? Why don't they have their own country

[dapper laurel]

All the neighbors have been militarily occupied, what the fuck more do I have to tell you?

[gritty echo]

Ağrı Country, Tunceli Rebellion, Şeyh Sait

Or something like that

You just do not like white as you are talking like that

[thorny steeple]

you have no proof that it was all of the neighbors. There were only a few 🤣

[gritty echo]

Xd

[dapper laurel]

What would these few be?

[gritty echo]

You talking like Kurds are the most peaceful nation in the world

Xd

[dapper laurel]

Turkey rightly is lol

[manic juniper]

Certainly more peaceful than those who occupy them

[thorny steeple]

Thats not the point. Youre distorting history by generalizing

[manic juniper]

Otherwise they'd have their own country

[gritty echo]

Seyit Rıza too

Why we don't talk about these guys

Right just trying to split the country and kill civilians XD

[dapper laurel]

No, that's your country distorting history. Now tell me who were these few oppressed and who was not oppressed

[gritty echo]

But noooooooo Kurds are the most peaceful nation in the world

[manic juniper]

Second most peaceful after the Sámi

[gritty echo]

They don't even try to rebel because just Britain gives them money right

[dapper laurel]

They would be peaceful if you granted them independence

[gritty echo]

XD

[thorny steeple]

1. Its not my country, I have nothing to do with Turkey (no hate against the Turks)

2. You claimed that all neighbors were oppressed and yet you demand that I prove who was not oppressed? 🤣

[dapper laurel]

Silent image

[manic juniper]

Bad map because Kosovo is Serbia here

[loud siren]

Helloooo guyyyys

[dapper laurel]

I'll leave it, it doesn't make sense, you refuse to argue

[dapper laurel]

Map with many errors

[thorny steeple]

E
You claim and generalize and cant provide any evidence for your generalization. The main thing is to escape when things get tough

[manic juniper]

He sent 3 genocides

[dapper laurel]

But I have already provided the evidence

[dapper laurel]

• slavery in the ottoman empire

[thorny steeple]

Where

[manic juniper]

At the beginning of the discussion, he shared the Armenian genocide and the Greek genocide (plus the Pontic Greek genocide)

[gritty echo]

Yeah Armenians say the ottoman killed 1.5 Millon Armenians but their population was less than this XD

[manic juniper]

There is also the Sayfo that according to cowlii is often grouped within the Armenian genocide because they happened at the same time and with the same intent

[gritty echo]

We killed the ghost of Armenias too I think

Bullshit

[manic juniper]

You didn't even have proper censuses

[gritty echo]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[manic juniper]

Why would you even trust statistics which don't exist, the only people recorded were those living in cities

[manic juniper]

Strongest anti-Armenian argument

[gritty echo]

Yes it is real because

Armenians don't even have a population like this in these times

[thorny steeple]

These 2, 3 isolated cases where they suffered severe injustice do not prove that ALL neighbors were oppressed. For the 20th time you have no evidence for your generalization
@gritty echo

[manic juniper]

Isolated cases? They killed millions

[gritty echo]

Millions ?

Bullshit,

[manic juniper]

Good argument

[gritty echo]

If all of these happened

There was no Armenia or Greece or Kürdistan today

You're just saying bullshit arguments

[manic juniper]

Because Pontus Greeks don't live in modern Greece

[gritty echo]

Xd

[thorny steeple]

isolated cases only concerning 2, 3 groups which still does not prove that all neighboring countries were oppressed

[manic juniper]

The fuck is your issue

[manic juniper]

Only 2, 3 groups of millions of people

[thorny steeple]

Are u dumb?

[manic juniper]

Is this your entire argument? Lol I already mentioned the janissaries

Is it Turkish genocide denial day

Perhaps I didn't check my calendar

[thorny steeple]

We speaking about all neighboring countries that they were oppressed. all were oppressed you say and prove it genocide against 2 groups . very stupid

🤣

[manic juniper]

If the rest weren't oppressed why are they all independent countries today lol, and they even joined foreign empires and powers simply to achieve independence

No arguments whatsoever, just ad hominems and denial

[gritty echo]

AHAHAHAH man are janissaries had a bad life there was one of the strongest army power in the ottoman empire and they even had so high stage jobs in the government

Even the Süleyman the magnificent second hand

[thorny steeple]

to date you have no evidence for "all neighbors were oppressed"

[manic juniper]

Again do I have the permission to kidnap a Palestinian child, they are getting bombed anyway so I may as well kidnap one or two

[manic juniper]

Devşirme never happened I guess

[gritty echo]

Man are you stupid we didn't take their all boys we gave them to nice life in the ottoman empire even the high stage jobs and we don't take all boys if there was more than 2 or 3 boys we took 1 of them to continue empire army and government stages

[manic juniper]

I will too I promise, my country is in the world's 1% best and we have free healthcare and education, I will even get him a reindeer so he will be happy and have company

[gritty echo]

It isn't a bad thing

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper @dapper laurel
There are at least 100 reasons why countries want to become independent but for you there is only one reason and that is "they were oppressed" 🤣

[manic juniper]

Once he is old enough he will drive my jet ski and my snowbike

[manic juniper]

Name these 100 reasons then

[gritty echo]

Is it bad to become the second man in the empire coming from Balcan village

Which empire gave this change to foreign people

?

[manic juniper]

You're right, I promise that the child I kidnap will become a politician

I will make him PM

[gritty echo]

XD you still think it is kidnapping

Ottoman archives are still standing in there

[thorny steeple]

that means there are more than enough reasons but you guys dont understand😅

[gritty echo]

You can research what happens exactly if you want to learn about it

[manic juniper]

Forcibly taking a child away from their family is kidnapping unless they changed how that case works

[manic juniper]

Oh I see, we aren't entitled to ask for evidence, but you are. Nice double standards

Still waiting for these 100 reasons

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-caveman-stupid-mango-gif-17657901353026407470

[manic juniper]

It's fine, he will debunk us soon. Just wait for the 100 reasons why they rebelled

[prisma cipher]

victim mentality

[gritty echo]

The Devshirme system (also known as the blood tax) was a practice used by the Ottoman Empire from the 14th to the 17th centuries to recruit boys from Christian families in the Balkans and other conquered territories.

Key Features (in English):

Selection: Christian boys, usually between the ages of 8 and 18, were taken from their families, often once every few years.

Conversion: They were forcibly converted to Islam.

Education and Training: The boys received a strict education in Islamic culture, military discipline, and administration.

Career Paths:

The most talented were trained for high-ranking positions in the imperial palace (e.g., administrators, governors, or even viziers).

Others were trained as elite soldiers in the Janissary corps, the sultan's personal guard.

Purpose:

To ensure loyalty directly to the Sultan (not to local power structures).

To create a powerful and professional administrative and military class.

This system was unique in world history and played a central role in Ottoman governance and military strength for centuries.

[dapper laurel]

It's just a matter of time, and he will destroy us

[manic juniper]

Can I use this system and forcibly convert a child from a third world warzone into Finnish paganism or make him atheist

I promise I will buy him a reindeer so he will be happy

[gritty echo]

Same eras with these Europe
:

[thorny steeple]

There are economic reasons, cultural, linguistic, etc etc. But you want to prove with two genocides against two groups that all neighbors were oppressed 🤣

[manic juniper]

I will make him an even better propagandist than I am

[gritty echo]

The same era what happened in the Ottoman empire and in Europe

As you can see it in there

Xd

[manic juniper]

Too bad no one defends these in Europe, yet you're here doing whataboutism and defending virtually everything the ottomans did

[gritty echo]

You are thinking like it's happening today

[manic juniper]

The oppression of Kurds is

[gritty echo]

Don't think this time's conditions

[manic juniper]

Still no 100 reasons

[gritty echo]

Just think like these times

[thorny steeple]

if you have no evidence that everyone was oppressed:

[manic juniper]

And devşirme wasn't genocide yet it happened to all Christians

[prisma cipher]

Don't forget stupid reason, when they think they so special to be independent.

[gritty echo]

Xd

You don't know anything about Kurdish rebellions that happened after building the republic ,

Seyit Rıza , Şeyh Sait , Ağrı Republic

Just 3 of them

[prisma cipher]

Victim mentality is when you get raped and see a raper in any man after that.

[manic juniper]

I don't get it, so you can just go back and forth between current times and the past but I cannot? Lol

[gritty echo]

I'm talking about these days

Right now about Kurds

[prisma cipher]

I don't even wand to understand those lame mindset.

[manic juniper]

Seyit Riza died in 1937, how tf is that current day

[gritty echo]

Reasons coming from this times

[manic juniper]

All of these are things that happened in the past

[gritty echo]

And after that Kurdish terrorist organisms

Just terrorized local people

[thorny steeple]

Thats not the point. I don't need to list 100 reasons. You say independence = they were oppressed. Obviously and thats not the case. And you have no evidence that they were oppressed. So its just an unsubstantiated statement. And you don't want to admit that there are plenty of other reasons for independence🤣

[manic juniper]

Why are you still going on about oppression? I literally mentioned devşirme

You can't even argue with honesty and you didn't bring any 100 reasons yet

You have no rights to ask for evidence even after people brought it up and yet you didn't do anything alike

[gritty echo]

PKK kidnapped Kurdish families kids , and pushed them into becoming a Kurdish terrorist and even girls are used for just breeding mechanisms

[gloomy lichen]

Oooooo... who is bored and want to entertain my question? 👀

[high raven]

I haven't caught up yet but is this about Kurdish independence?

[gritty echo]

And they organized tons of terörist attacks

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but not only Kurdish independence

[gritty echo]

To innocent people

[manic juniper]

It's more about them defending the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish Republic's crimes for some reasons

[thorny steeple]

A few isolated examples do not replace evidence for your claim that all neighbors were oppressed🤣

[gritty echo]

PKK killed Gaffar Okan who saves Kurdish rights ( police officer of state )

[manic juniper]

Pretending there was no devşirme, violent conquests or genocides

[high raven]

Well that tracks, Turkey has not officially apologized for the Armenian genocide either so this is common for the Turkish mindset

[gritty echo]

And you are talking like Kurds are don't have any faults

[dapper laurel]

Instead, you brainwash the people who live in your territories to build a Turkish identity that does not exist

[manic juniper]

Where are the 100 reasons?

[gritty echo]

XD even turkey we had a lot of scinetis , artists originally from Kurds or armenians

What are you talking about

[dapper laurel]

I'm still waiting

[gritty echo]

Xd

But turks genocides them all seriously

[manic juniper]

He's at 0, that's close to 100 I think. Just add a 1 and another 0

[high raven]

There were a lot of Jewish scientists in Nazi germany too

[manic juniper]

I don't know I'm blonde, this isn't my expertise

[thorny steeple]

Again, its not about the 100 reasons 🤣. Its about the fact that there are more than enough reasons for a country to want to become independent. Because you say that a country wants to become independent because they were oppressed. Thats your general blanket statement.

[dapper laurel]

ChatGPT is cooking something for him

[manic juniper]

You claim there are more than enough reasons yet you didn't bring up any so far, we are waiting for the 100 reasons

[gritty echo]

I wish we had what you talk about like that it is our biggest mistake I see why we gave rights to christian people to give the language freedom or permission about livkng what they like live

Yeah we could be like the French empire or the British empire

It was the biggest mistake of Ottoman Empire

I see

Xd

[high raven]

Wait

Vodka, you were advocating for Palestine's right to exist earlier

Why does the same logic not apply for the Kurds

[dapper laurel]

This is the least you can do towards the peoples you have militarily occupied

[manic juniper]

He also said that it's ok if you kidnap a child as long as he will get a better life in the future

[gritty echo]

We apply it but west countries supporting PKK or ypg lime terrorist organisms too split to Turkey in turkey a lot of Kurds want to live like as what they want

[manic juniper]

By the same logic is it ok if I kidnap a child from Palestine or a village in Myanmar? They will be bombed or killed anyway

[gritty echo]

But these guys think we just butched them and didn't give any rights

[high raven]

But Hamas is a terrorist organisation too?

[manic juniper]

I'm doing them a favour and they will grow up in one of the safest and richest places in the world

[manic juniper]

Isn't this from a parody site

[dapper laurel]

Because they do not recognize the Kurds as a people, they disown them, they try to forcibly assimilate them with the "Turkish" culture. The first step in not granting independence to a people is to deny that that people exists

[gritty echo]

Sure it is a terrorist organism using civilians to form a living shield it is just a terrorist thing can do , but Israel doing terrorism to in this region

[thorny steeple]

No youre not waiting. You don't even want to understand. Ive long since given reasons like cultural, linguistic, economic, religious, geopolitical. But instead of listening you repeat the same cheap phrases like a broken parrot because you dont want to understand anything. You cling to "They became independent that's why they were oppressed." although there are more than enough other reasons for independence 🤣🤣

[gritty echo]

AHAHAHAHAH

You guys even don't know how Kurdish people living in turkey

[prisma cipher]

You stupid or what he said right thing. You say bulshiet and keep talking about it. It might be economic culture or about national thing one time county go together because together they strong but time change and they don't need that alliance. It might be also oppression, but it one of the reason, you dumbi idiot

[gritty echo]

You just know about some crying kurds living in different countries

[prisma cipher]

Annoying beath

[dapper laurel]

Kurds live in one of the most underdeveloped regions of your country because your administration neglects them, that's the truth

[gritty echo]

We have so many Kurdish scientists, doctor, politician

In every stage of country

Even we have TRT KURDISH

[high raven]

That's not what I'm asking though:

• Hamas is a terrorist organisation
• PKK is a terrorist organisation
  Why support Palestine's right to exist but not Kurdistan? How do you differentiate between the two if they're, according to you, the same?

[gritty echo]

To broadcast for don't know the speaking Turkish , Kurdish elders

[manic juniper]

If they were unhappy from their economic status, language, religious and political rights that's literally oppression, and given how the Ottomans only built a couple of bridges in the Balkans it wouldn't surprise me if people were unhappy with how they managed their regions

[dapper laurel]

This is a logical fallacy, you know?

[gritty echo]

Ahahahahaha

You are just lying to it you hear someone opposite you are saying

[high raven]

https://tenor.com/view/смайл-gif-743314381298857868

[gritty echo]

Bullshit

[thorny steeple]

Dissatisfaction is not proof of systematic oppression🤣🤣🤣

[dapper laurel]

Stop laughing like an idiot and start saying things that make sense

[gritty echo]

Because there was Palestine country not Israel

Israel came after Palestine

And took their homes

As you can see it in too

[glossy ether]

hii sannaa

[gritty echo]

Ahahahah you just want to hear what you want

[glossy ether]

don’t insult people while you’re arguing.

[prisma cipher]

Dumbo

I don't argue

[manic juniper]

Wasn't Palestine also not a country, it was under the British Empire as a mandate. By the same logic Kurdistan is the same, it's just one of the 31 provinces of Iran

[bitter badger]

gfrog1 was muted.

[whole beacon]

Stupid

[manic juniper]

Lmfao

[glossy ether]

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper Dissatisfaction is not oppression otherwise every country in the world today is an oppressive state 🤣🤣🤣

[high raven]

Palestine as a state never existed, it was just the name of the territory before the Brits drew up the map, the same goes for Turkey, it used to be the Ottoman empire. If you feel that the Palestinians deserve their own state and that the theft of the land they inhabited is immoral, why does the same logic not apply for the Kurds in your own country?

[gritty echo]

You said to yourself it is the province of Iran and they have their own country in Iraq

[dapper laurel]

This is the human development index in the regions of your country. As you can see the most underdeveloped regions are the Kurdish ones, and do you know why? Because your state is Turkey, not Kurdistan, they think about the well-being of the Turks, not of other ethnic groups, who live oppressed and on the margins of society. This is the result of foreign oppression, simply the suffering of oppressed people, the Turkish presence in those areas hasn't brought any improvement

[manic juniper]

Not fulfilling the language rights of millions of people is oppression

[high raven]

Hello Chika!

[manic juniper]

Yes, so Palestinians are in the same situation. They are just part of Israel, why should Israelis wish to have their country split?

[gritty echo]

No these lands before Israel there own by Palestine's people

[thorny steeple]

we are talking about history and not about today...

[manic juniper]

Same as Kurds then, they didn't just appear in the 20th century

[manic juniper]

You said that language was one of the reasons, not me

[gritty echo]

But we have ruled this land since the 11th century

We aren't new in these lands

We save Arabs from occupation of china

[dapper laurel]

You all belong to central Asia bro

[manic juniper]

If we go by land claims Armenians and Greeks were there first lol

And Assyrians too

We could give them back to the Hittites if they come back, but so far we have to limit ourselves to Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians

[gritty echo]

Then Europeans are even not real Europeans xd

[dapper laurel]

They should belong to the Central Asian steppe at this point

[thorny steeple]

When did I talk about today? Didnt you bring up genocides and alleged "oppression" from the past? Were talking about history and not about today

[manic juniper]

?

[gritty echo]

If we talk about that

[dapper laurel]

I'm afraid of what I'm about to hear

[manic juniper]

Then what's the point of bringing up the 100 reasons (that weren't even listed) if you had to backtrack and say they don't apply?

[gritty echo]

European nations ancestors come to north of black sea and Hazar sea like ostrogots visigoths or some nations like that

Then even British people even not British these lands own by celts and scoots

If we are talking about the original

[manic juniper]

You are mixing up early Germanic people with Proto-Indo-Europeans, there is a 6000 years gap between the two at the very least

[gritty echo]

Even British people we saying Anglo Saxons

[gritty echo]

No

[dapper laurel]

The north of the Black Sea is in Europe, however

[manic juniper]

Yes, the first hunter gatherers came to Europe tens of thousands of years ago, those Germanic people all started their migrations after the 5th century

[gritty echo]

Proto indian Europeans wtf dude , most of their ancestors come here from east because of Huns

[manic juniper]

Bro is literally creating new history in real time

[gritty echo]

Originally Europeans

Are Greeks , Romans ,

[dapper laurel]

Indian europeans 🤠

[manic juniper]

Man's mixing up the Huns with the Yamnaya

[dapper laurel]

One embarrassment after another

[gritty echo]

But Britain owners was celts in this time

[manic juniper]

That is like 12k years gap

[gritty echo]

Man we are saying Anglo Saxons

Even

What are you talking about

[dapper laurel]

This does not justify Turkey, however

[high raven]

What happened to the Kurdish debate, I switched windows for 5 minutes

[gritty echo]

Ahahahahaha

Okey

[manic juniper]

It turned into alternate history debate

[thorny steeple]

Its still not about the number 100. As I said I've given enough reasons but instead of listening you cling on and hide behind the number 100 🤣🤣

[gritty echo]

Wtf Huns come this lands in 4th century

12k years wtf

[dapper laurel]

bro brought up ancient migrations to justify his complaints

[high raven]

😂😂

[gritty echo]

Ahahah sure

[manic juniper]

I recall when Ramses II fought Hitler's flotilla in the South China Sea to open up a new gas pipeline and connect it to Agartha

[high raven]

I was there

[gritty echo]

Alternative History, fuck each other mixed their nations and become nationalist and made ethnic cleanings nice

[dapper laurel]

Confusing the first Germanic migrations towards southern Europe with the Indo-European migrations

[gritty echo]

European history

[manic juniper]

Ramses won thanks to the weaponised pterosaurs

[gritty echo]

XD

[dapper laurel]

You don't know anything about the history of our continent, go away

[gritty echo]

Bro you just said Huns come here 12k years ago

[manic juniper]

I didn't

[gritty echo]

HQHQHWHSHAHA and calling what I'm saying alternative History

[manic juniper]

The Huns are literally irrelevant to the early Proto-Indo-Europeans

[manic juniper]

??? You brought Ostrogoths, Visigoths and Huns up.

[manic juniper]

Yeah this is extremely late in history

What do they have to do with the first people coming to Europe

[left arrow]

Interesting chat room

[gritty echo]

Yes after then European nations as Frances Germans or anglo Saxons called themselves

Like this

[manic juniper]

They didn't call themselves European, there was no European identity back then

[manic juniper]

Even if there was, they descended from people who had lived in Europe for millennia by then

[gritty echo]

And then Europeans aren't originally Europeans

[manic juniper]

???

[dapper laurel]

Did you realize that even the Celts, coming from the Indo-European migrations, were not native to those areas?

[manic juniper]

Are Chinese people not Asians because they didn't know the word Asia and called themselves just Chinese?

[gritty echo]

Wtf

Dude I'm saying

[manic juniper]

This is the same warped logic

[gritty echo]

We are talking about actually coming from the right

Then the British people weren't the owners of these lands

Right

[manic juniper]

They were

Not the people but their rulers

[dapper laurel]

At this point we all come from Africa and so nothing makes sense anymore, you understand that this is a bit schizophrenic?

[gritty echo]

Okey than Turks come here as the rulers

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

They didn't really care about who their rulers were, they were conquered by Romans, West Germanic people and the Norse

[manic juniper]

You are being too repetitive

First list the 100 reasons then we can discuss

[manic juniper]

Nope, your sultans ruled, not the Turks

[gritty echo]

Bro even sultan word is coming from ottoman empire

[manic juniper]

King comes from Germanic

[thorny steeple]

you ask the same stupid question and hide behind the number 100 even though I have given enough reasons 🤣

[gritty echo]

Turks are much older than this

[manic juniper]

England was ruled by kings

[gritty echo]

We using Khan

[manic juniper]

See, you aren't making a good case. You keep repeating the same thing without bringing any proof unlike Andos and I

[gritty echo]

Even in the Turkic names like Batuhan

[manic juniper]

Armenians too

And the Greeks especially

[dapper laurel]

The Ottomans are a dynasty, that empire was ruled by that dynasty not by the Turks, otherwise it would have been called something else. Maybe this is what she meant

[thorny steeple]

You are trying to use individual cases to prove that everyone was oppressed🤣

[gritty echo]

These dynasties are coming from Turks right

[manic juniper]

Yes, he thinks that whoever rules is entitled to it. By that logic no one today is entitled to anything because rulers in the past didn't represent the people

[gritty echo]

Ottomans heritage tree coming from oghuz Turks

[manic juniper]

Kyivan Rus' was literally ruled by Norse people, they were less than 1% of the people living in their country

[gritty echo]

Ottomans official language is Turkish as well

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't say that millions of oppressed people are (individual cases)

[gritty echo]

It is a mixed up governance

But rules are turk

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[thorny steeple]

We talk about how all countries were supposedly oppressed. The fact that only two groups suffered genocide doesnt mean that all neighboring countries were oppressed🤣🤣

[gritty echo]

Ottoman Empire was countinue of Seljuk empire and Seljuk was countinue of the different Turkic empire

[thorny steeple]

@gritty echo Would you agree that Turkiye committed two genocides? And if not. why.

[gritty echo]

I don't talk about that anymore

Because I'm tired of

These topics

We are refusing it to others accepting it I don't care about these topics

[thorny steeple]

Okay. a lot of idiots here. And im one of the biggest 🤣

[high raven]

People not agreeing with your takes doesn't make them idiots

[gritty echo]

I did not say it

[thorny steeple]

Im not referring to anyone in particular 🤣

[high raven]

Nonetheless, people nullify your arguments if you just resort to personal insults, it doesn't help anyone

[gritty echo]

The original name of the Ottoman empire even wasn't the Ottoman empire it was Devleti Aliyye , it means strong state

[manic juniper]

At least three

[high raven]

That's your choice, I just feel like your arguments would be taken more seriously if you didn't use such wording or tried to avoid the constant 🤣

It's up to you how you'd rather be seen though, it's not my concern

[manic juniper]

Well he has double standards, that doesn't help especially when he doesn't bring any evidence

[gritty echo]

Builder of the devleti Aliye is the Osman bey ( he is coming from Kayi ) Kayi is second of the 24 oghuz tribe

[manic juniper]

He can't pretend we have to show every single population oppressed by the Ottomans but he doesn't need to list the 100 reasons he mentioned. That's just hypocritical

[gritty echo]

Coming from the middle asia

Bro saying it is not the Turkic empire

https://tenor.com/view/what-bruh-steve-harvey-shocked-surprised-gif-17654826

[frosty socket]

how can i practice vocabulary here/

[fresh flower]

Why are you always shouting

[manic juniper]

You have small monkey pfp

[coral delta]

@thorny steeple You’re Turkish?

[thorny steeple]

No

[thorny steeple]

Why was this chat so foolish

😂

[fresh flower]

I relate to him on a spiritual level

[manic juniper]

What is your opinion on Big Monkey?

[fresh flower]

Do you mean him?

He has seen things is all I can tell

[manic juniper]

This was the original Big Monkey. Rumour is that she's dead, and the current Big Monkey is different

This is Big Monkey in 2025

[fresh flower]

One they get too sentient they can talk

The powers that be cannot have that happening

[severe bloom]

hey , i came here as i saw SERIOUS CHAT . Now i can make that out .

[sharp creek]

why are you obsessed with big monkeys

monkeys addict europe girl

[manic juniper]

It's possible, I saw them trying to cover her whereabouts right after she fell

[manic juniper]

He's the best chatter here

[fresh flower]

"She fell" SURE BUDDY BIG MEDIA

[manic juniper]

Don't you like Big Monkey, he always makes the best arguments

[fresh flower]

WE TRUST YOU

[sharp creek]

who???

[manic juniper]

Big Monkey

Now I cannot find his username or his texts here but I'm sure that he participated before

[fresh flower]

I haven't seen him here I'm new but I'm sure his arguments can't be bad as some that I've read here 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[cosmic wolf]

@vagrant swan @formal pilot

W slap @vagrant swan

Didn’t work here

[wild sapphire]

You should add me to this list

[thorny steeple]

Was he a debater?

[wild sapphire]

Just not under big monkey

[manic juniper]

Why

[manic juniper]

He still is

[wild sapphire]

Well, I guess it would mess up the joke

[thorny steeple]

I wanna meet

[wild sapphire]

Nevermind then I guess

[manic juniper]

Just wait until he's online

[cosmic wolf]

So Am i a little monkey?

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sigh-monkey-gif-2049020038486032791

[sharp creek]

yes you r sir

[manic juniper]

Possible

[olive fractal]

Big Monkey is a multidimensional being

he's currently not in our plane of existance

that's why you can't find any of his texts

[thorny steeple]

Im seeing this message just now. But it doesnt matter because you can see who the hypocrite is here

[vagrant swan]

[cosmic wolf]

Israel people in general chat baklava

Where’s ur friend?

[vagrant swan]

who is my friend

[cosmic wolf]

Joe, Joex, thanks for the suggest yesterday if I have bought a car I want to ask more questions

[cosmic wolf]

Aladdin

https://tenor.com/view/tembel-üşengeç-lazy-gif-9002334550960770999

[vagrant swan]

@formal pilot spawn brother

[cosmic wolf]

Hahaha

[vagrant swan]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-majestic-windy-chill-relax-gif-8024848

[cosmic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

@formal pilot

[olive fractal]

👍

[cosmic wolf]

I just curious guys

Can we get wealthy without being greedy now?
Plss Answer with your country
Let me know ur coutry situation

[proud crest]

Hi guys

[fresh flower]

Sweden, and no

[sharp creek]

tbh its a dumb topic

want getting wealthy means greedy

you should be like the greta girl appeal to be a nice guy

the situation of wealth is quite similar across countries. people have different approaches to becoming wealthy,
but all poor people are quite familiar

there is an old saying " A poor man's romance is trash, but a rich man's indecency is especially attractive"

[thorny steeple]

Ah yer poor then?

[sharp creek]

I spent half an hour translating it into English !!

thank you sir , but what is ah yer..

are you ?

[thorny steeple]

That's a mistake on my part lol hyperactive brain

[thorny steeple]

You*

[sharp creek]

hmmm me?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[sharp creek]

i got it..

yes im poor

[thorny steeple]

Me too welcome to 可怜的团伙, how's the weather there today

[sharp creek]

what is that

[formal pilot]

🫵

@cosmic wolf

[sharp creek]

dont worry we are poorer than you

[thorny steeple]

Well that's tough eh?

[thorny steeple]

ASAP or Sejuani is your worst nightmare

Ok, but why did you put your friend in it

[sharp creek]

There are always people living in war zones, and I think you are living in a pretty good city you are probably better than most people in the world

do you have a chance to get to a school?

????

[thorny steeple]

That's life. If you keep your whole life comparing yourself to your friends what are you going to earn with it?

[sharp creek]

Do you need help booking a doctor s appointment

you need a doctor sir

[thorny steeple]

Or he's playing at us

[sharp creek]

hahaha idk, it seems like his english is also bad

[thorny steeple]

My english is also bad asf

[thorny steeple]

We'll never know

[wild sapphire]

Yes

[sharp creek]

but you need a doctor right

[feral river]

Bullshit there’s no war in any of our mainland

PRC, USA, except Russian Federation got one but they sucks at their stupid economy and administration so they doesn’t count and France with UK was more like a puppet

[sharp creek]

yes fortunately

[feral river]

We will never have a very large scale war in our mainland

And so do the US

The guy who want to initiate it in before was all going to drink more lava in the hell

This is the world we rule, this is the game we play

We establish bases anywhere the fuck we want

For losers not a chance stay on that ground for us to play

They pay the bill of their status

[wild sapphire]

You are too nice for me to take anything you say seriously

I can’t help but like you

You sound like someone who plays a lot of video games

[olive fractal]

hey bumper, long time no see

[wild sapphire]

It’s been like

A full day i guess

[olive fractal]

a true keyboard warrior

[olive fractal]

it's been a few days, actually

might've been a week

[wild sapphire]

A year

[potent drum]

Hey guys , I consider myself to be an intermediate english speaker . Still must work a lot on vocab , phrasing and in general fluency. I want to read more . I always hated reading books . Maybe I'm too impatient or get too restless because I just can't relax if there's no productivity or reading is boring in general . Just for my mental satisfaction, I want to know if reading actually helps with language fluency and vocab . And I want to know how I can find something I would love and enjoy reading

[olive fractal]

imo it definitely does help

[potent drum]

Any tips on how I can find something I would like reading

[wild sapphire]

Try audio books

[manic juniper]

Which format do you like the most, books, articles, something else

[wild sapphire]

Some of them have full voice casts, sound effects

[potent drum]

Articles because the info is concentrated and it is short

[olive fractal]

technical documents are quite interesting as well

[wild sapphire]

Oh that would be youtube

Go look up a topic you like

It is like an audiobook

[potent drum]

But I do watch a lot of youtube already

[wild sapphire]

Brain rot or what

[potent drum]

Good stuff

[manic juniper]

Scientific articles can be quite long, if you enjoy those use Google Scholar to make searching for them easier

[potent drum]

Podcasts

[wild sapphire]

I think you should watch educational videos where the English is articulate and academic

[potent drum]

I actually tried that but everything was just going above the head

[wild sapphire]

Pick a topic like history or even video games or movies

[manic juniper]

You can read Wikipedia then

[potent drum]

Oh yeah

[olive fractal]

or cars

[potent drum]

History is good . I'll do that

[olive fractal]

if you're into cars, I can highly recommend you Commodore Man

[potent drum]

Thanks man I'll go through that

[olive fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52rwrNnFLDg

got into a nice convo with him on insta, super awesome bloke

we also have a shared hatred for GM

[wild sapphire]

My problem with these videos is that the english will be more informal and improvisational

Which will not reflect grammatical norms

Same as podcasts

[olive fractal]

commoman makes heavy use of australia-specific english

[manic juniper]

Will subscribe

[wild sapphire]

“So like, the wheel, it, like has this lovely leather covering, quite nice innit”

I make this up

[olive fractal]

he drives the tuffest toranas, the sickest of streeters and the most hectic of Holdens

[potent drum]

Lot of filler word like

[olive fractal]

while munching HSPs

[wild sapphire]

Yes things like this

You should look for scripted videos imo

[potent drum]

Makes sense

[potent drum]

What about andrew huberman

[wild sapphire]

No idea i dont use youtube

[potent drum]

Wow

[wild sapphire]

I only use it if someone sends me a video sometimes

[olive fractal]

scripted videos you say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydFbi2cVoRs

still waiting for him to visit Bum Bum Creek

and Bum Bum Spring Creek

[manic juniper]

Tittybong?

[olive fractal]

it's a glorious town in australia

[manic juniper]

Why is this stuff always in UK and Australia

[olive fractal]

iirc Tittybong was founded by some aboriginal bloke

whose name was Tittybong

[olive fractal]

no fucking clue

but I dig it ngl

can't wait for them to pay the Crotch Crescent a visit

[vestal nymph]

I'm serious

[manic juniper]

That was in Austria as well

Now it's fugging, they spurdospärdified it

[olive fractal]

oh yeah, Fucking was a thing

iirc they used to be called Bad Fucking

then they renamed the town to Fucking

[manic juniper]

They really couldn't fix this issue properly

Renaming it to Fugging isn't a solution

[olive fractal]

no, not really

we still have a town called Corona

the sign was constantly stolen for obvious reasons

[manic juniper]

I don't know if we have anything like that. All the weird names are uniquely Finnish or Swedish so they're not funny

[olive fractal]

😔

[manic juniper]

Poor Austria must have countless of signs they keep stored just for these few towns

[olive fractal]

probably, yeah

we used to have a few towns with odd names

but most of them got dissolved in 2014

because they were merging smaller towns

[manic juniper]

Sad but unfortunately happens to these small irrelevant places

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeperseensuo
I think this one is funny enough to deserve recognition

[olive fractal]

Mold ass' swamp
amazing lmao

[marsh wigeon]

hello swampers as well

[empty comet]

hello

[cedar bridge]

Poor sign, it did nothing wrong

[cosmic wolf]

Well I agree haha
I dunno whats means being rich and greedy one
I just confused if greed is evil or not

[cosmic wolf]

I just found out thats why nazis hate jewish people

[noble raven]

Hi

[cosmic wolf]

Chat in general is tiring
Have to scroll up and down

[cosmic wolf]

Hei

[noble raven]

Hello. What series chat do you wanna have?

[manic juniper]

No Big Monkey there

[olive fractal]

Big Monkey would fill out the entire chat anyway

[cosmic wolf]

Who’s that big monkey do u said?

😭

I have no idea fr

[cosmic wolf]

Thats I Am haha

Maybe

[cosmic wolf]

I have no idea, u can ask @olive fractal n @manic juniper

https://tenor.com/view/run-running-running-away-gif-26050957

[cosmic wolf]

Is that me?

[thorny steeple]

This is better than big monkey

[wild sapphire]

This monkey makes me laugh, when you have him removed from his background like this the absurdity of his size and shape boggles, it amplifies his aura

How did he get to be so huge

I wonder if it was human interference

[manic juniper]

I thought you were small monkey, at least this was your claim

[manic juniper]

Mangoes

[wild sapphire]

Is it commonplace for this to happen in the wild??

I mean surely other monkeys would be competing for resources, and ample room for exercise and movement

[manic juniper]

No, it never happens

[wild sapphire]

So this has to be human

They are feeding him to death, probably fed past tense

[manic juniper]

There is neither this abundance of resources nor any predator would ignore Big Monkey

It's literally a Big Monkey, how can you ignore such a thing

[wild sapphire]

Lol

You make me laugh, as morbid as the subject matter is

Who could ignore such a Big Monkey, indeed

Poor wretched monkey

[wild sapphire]

I love it and hate it at the same time

[thorny steeple]

Can big monkey go extinct then?

[wild sapphire]

I think the only threat to Big Monkey is his own bigness

Being subsumed by his own girth

Bowling ball of death

I imagine when he dies he will form a black hole

I bet he has his own event horizon

A wild predator gets too close and becomes spaghetti

[manic juniper]

It could, but it will come back

[wild sapphire]

Ah relief

As long as there are humans who will feed it into morbid obesity

Big Monkey will live on

[formal pilot]

God turned ((them)) into monkeys

[wild sapphire]

Who is them

Is this from Islam

[neon sierra]

bruh

[wild sapphire]

Idk lol it sounds like he’s quoting scripture

[atomic crescent]

Hi

[atomic crescent]

I Don't know

[thorny steeple]

umm

what brings you here?

[atomic crescent]

Why?

[thorny steeple]

become serious

serious chat

[wild sapphire]

I dont think this chat is all that serious

[thorny steeple]

you look like arab or iranian

[manic juniper]

It is

I don't think Big Monkey is one of them. He was there before everyone else

[formal pilot]

This doesn't look japanese

[manic juniper]

I'm on vacation bro

[formal pilot]

Blud you're chronically online on english hub, we don't call it vacation

[manic juniper]

I visited Estonia
Again

[manic juniper]

I've also been playing GTA V for 11 hours in a row

[formal pilot]

🫵

[formal pilot]

I hope you don't get abducted by Russians

[thorny steeple]

What's so serious now

[thorny steeple]

11 hours straight? How is this even possible

[wild sapphire]

I wish I could try these

[lyric obsidian]

[wild sapphire]

You like these or are you trying them for the first time

[wild sapphire]

I was kidding btw

[manic juniper]

He wasn't

[manic juniper]

I'm taking advantage of my free time

[wild sapphire]

OH MY GOSH

i nailed it lol

[thorny steeple]

I can see. I bet your didn't even sleep hahah

[wild sapphire]

The monkey surah

[wild sapphire]

It’s hard to predict what you will answer and what you won’t

[manic juniper]

I'm just distracted, can't do everything at once

[thorny steeple]

But who can? Lol

[wild sapphire]

Well, as you should be- with good things; enjoy your time off

[manic juniper]

I don't know but I was better at it before

It's possible to do better

[neon sierra]

will u buy gta VI

[manic juniper]

Yes if it's good and once it's on sale

And if I get a better computer which is almost guaranteed by now

[main bison]

Hiiii
I'm alive :>

[manic juniper]

Did they bomb near you

[main bison]

No they didn't bomb my city

[thorny steeple]

Prove it

[main bison]

I sent a message

[thorny steeple]

I robot also can send a message

[main bison]

But I'm a human

[mystic pebble]

Where r ya from?

[main bison]

Iran

[mystic pebble]

Uh huh tc

[main bison]

Tnx

[turbid dome]

Be careful

Best of luck

[thorny steeple]

Isreal vs iran ? Who will win

[thorny steeple]

Israel

[vague spoke]

Well,I am not a political enthusiast so I am not aware of this

[turbid dome]

I sadly think Israel will win

[shut coyote]

Easy win for Israel

[formal pilot]

Both countries are capable of making serious damages, and both countries got fkd up regimes, israel will understand that they aren't immortal, Iranian regime might fall

It's a W

[turbid dome]

Not a W in my book, that’ll just enable further western imperialism into the region and exploitation that will destabilize the region more

[formal pilot]

Btw innocent civilians will suffer the most, and that's really sad

[turbid dome]

Yup

IMO the best option here is that Iran makes Israel realize they aren’t invincible and they sue for peace, and then Iranian internal politics hopefully leads to regime change. I just don’t think regime change from outside the country will lead to positive results

[formal pilot]

Yeah regime change from the outside is the worst, countrymen should revolt against the monstrous regime

[turbid dome]

Yup, though right now it appears there is a rally around the flag, as is expected

Attacking a country will make the regime stronger

[formal pilot]

US just placed afganistan multiple decades back in the time, if they did not touch it, afganistan would have been liberated by now

[shut coyote]

Real tweet btw 😭

[turbid dome]

I condom 😭

[shut coyote]

pak pm 😭

[turbid dome]

Absolutely, they strengthened the Taliban

[formal pilot]

Everyone is fighting but in the long run China will win

[turbid dome]

True

[shut coyote]

btw what is mean by i condom😭

[turbid dome]

Unless the US sets up a puppet government in Iran

[turbid dome]

The PM tweets first words

[shut coyote]

😭 yeah but is it typo or what he mean by those words

[formal pilot]

Like they did in Egypt
||countroversial opinion||

[turbid dome]

Typo

[shut coyote]

nice 😭

[turbid dome]

Nah it’s pretty obvious that most of the Middle East is US puppet governments or collaborators

Chinese century of prosperity is here

[formal pilot]

Imagine if zelensky cosplayer turned out to be a mossad agent, it would be a really great plot in history

[turbid dome]

Is that the Syria guy? Doubtful but with how CNN was glazing this guy as “progressive ex Al Qaeda” I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes US funding

[pseudo trellis]

crazy

pakistan doesn't even recognise israel as a country

[bronze kraken]

Help

Usage: fremove range <start> <end>
Description: Remove a range of tracks from the queue

[pseudo trellis]

😭 ty

[vagrant swan]

ayoo

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-not-f---in'-around-i'm-serious-mike-mclusky-mayor-of-kingstown-i'm-not-joking-this-is-serious-gif-4807086244865642614

[thorny steeple]

is this a good thing?

[uncut tiger]

If Iran gets nukes would they drop em on Israel right away

[feral river]

It’s obviously we still uphold the US-led global order and currently that was the best choice for us

We may achieved significant advancements that challenged the US but we can’t really replace the US

And we are not the Soviet Union, a hegemony superpower but isolated with their own economic order and they basically suck it up that’s the main reason they collapsed

We and the US are interconnected maybe we compete each other and also cooperate with them in many ways, for US they don’t really have any useful available measures that would contain us, they obviously tried a lot, but for now it looks all failed

Even the tariff war was ended up by negotiation not back down by one side

So from now on the current world order would be ruled by People’s Republic of China, United States of America and Russian Federation

We handle affairs and create tensions in East Asia, doing some broker deals and expand economic influences to everywhere, US is there to maintain the order and take huge profit for their own nation and people by launching wars, instigate revolution and coups, Russia was the only factor that could contain the European Union

For the US, their biggest challenge was to contain the EU rather than Russia

Without Russia it’s very hard to estimate what the order would be but it definitely was not in favor to the United States

They need Russia to control the European nations

[formal pilot]

I don't think so, israel is strong enough to do significant damage on iran.

Nukes are good showpiece only

Using them is like opting for suicide

[uncut tiger]

What if they just do it

They're crazy just like the Afghans

[formal pilot]

Israel will drop nukes on iran, global sanction on iran will put them 150 years back in the time

[formal pilot]

Talib bros weren't crazy in fighting mericans, they are Smart af in afgani mountains

But in general, common sense and rationality, they are stupid af

[sharp creek]

yes they are crazy, maybe crazy people are not afraid of nukes, "YEEEEHA! I will go to heaven, but the enemies wont"

YEEEEEEHA

[main bison]

Thanks Martinii >-<

[thorny steeple]

Why all islamic countries don't come in support of iran ??

[formal pilot]

Why would they, they're loyal to their own nation instead of a foreign regime lol

[dense agate]

just classic bernie sanders yapping yet again

[dense agate]

there are Islamic countries? as far as i know Iran is the only theocracy

[formal pilot]

And it's a shia country, they aren't muslims
/s

[dense agate]

I don't think that's said sarcastically by many Muslims

[idle mesa]

Hi, I'm newbie

[thorny steeple]

so

@long quiver

so

[long quiver]

😭 no why here

[thorny steeple]

u wanna get 2 day mute?

for being series in gen chat?

[long quiver]

"it's the mother's choice! u can't say a fetus using his mom's womb is immoral cuz it wasn't even his choice lol
and yes, I don't think a women using surrogacy is immoral at all"

[thorny steeple]

i dont

[long quiver]

That was my last msg

[thorny steeple]

ok

thats why i gave the blood analogy

without my permission u cant use my blood even tho ur life is at threat of dying

[long quiver]

U can or u can't?

[thorny steeple]

cant*

😭

sorry

[long quiver]

Ok, the thing here is IT WAS the mothers choice from the beginning

She had the whole 7 months before

[thorny steeple]

is this moral?

[thorny steeple]

i am talking about before 7 months

[long quiver]

It's not the same example for me

bcuz it's like saying, I gave the permission from the beginning to let them use my blood

[thorny steeple]

yeah

[long quiver]

• she made the choice of birth

[thorny steeple]

thats a whole different

[long quiver]

Before 7 month, she can do whatever she wants

[thorny steeple]

yeah

[long quiver]

It's her bodyy and she is hurting noone

But after, no , it's smtg else

[thorny steeple]

do you have a "choice" to give a foreign agent ur belly as an incumbent for 9 months AND IT WILL USE ALL THE RESOURCES FOR ITS GROWING

SEX IS DIFFERENT

SEX IS A AGREEMENT TO HAVE SEX

SEX IS NOT AGREEMENT TO GROW A FETUS IN YOUR BODY

CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION

[long quiver]

Ofcc tho, u chose to do that, so yea, ur body ur choice (as long as she is hurting no body else)

[thorny steeple]

she did but it still conceived

[thorny steeple]

yeah

no

correlation is not causation

she consented to sex not to grow a fetus

[long quiver]

Definitely but I think he meant, she chose to be pregnant
Even if the choice to be pregnant itself is not immoral, maybe she wanna have fun and then get an abortion after 6 month and that's ok
it's her body ..

[thorny steeple]

no no

agent m

[long quiver]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

hear me out

[long quiver]

Yes hh

[thorny steeple]

You’re the only match for a person who needs a daily blood transfusion to survive. If you don’t give your blood every day for nine months, they’ll die.

Question: Are you morally obligated to do this, just because your blood can keep them alive?

Point: Helping is kind, but being forced to do it isn’t necessarily a moral duty — even if their life depends on you.

u agree?

@long quiver thats why i made the distinction that a human can give consent but a fetus with conseousness cant give consent, thats why i didnt see fetus as human

with rights

yes

thats not my point

[long quiver]

The thing is I agree with all what you said
but I'm utilitarianist 😭 and for me, it isn't moral to be forced to give ur blood bcuz, the act of forcing gonna cause more damage on long term
Buuut anyway, I WILL AGREE on what u said

[thorny steeple]

it was between me @long quiver above chats

its long story

[thorny steeple]

so, if a foreign agent comes into your body and asks for nutrition and its survival even tho its life is at stake, without my consent, its morally not wrong for me to not give that fetus my body as well as a incubator

right??

it was about where do u consider a human a human

like at sperm? fetus? new born baby? or after 13 years of full brain and conscious development?

legally and scientifically i decied it after the umbelical cord cutting

mother did not do any mistake

ill give u another example

[long quiver]

okay, I will agree on that too cuz it's the implied result of ur first statement

[long quiver]

wdym scientifically? Does anything that defines a human change before and after cutting that link umbilical cord

[thorny steeple]

a example

🎭 The House Guest Dilemma
Imagine you agree to host a friend for a weekend stay.

You tell them clearly:

“You’re welcome to visit, but only for the weekend.”

But once they arrive, they secretly cancel their return ticket and say:

“Now I have nowhere else to go. If you kick me out, I’ll suffer badly. So… you have to let me stay for the next 9 months.”

You didn’t agree to that.
You allowed them in under certain conditions — but now you’re told:

“You invited them in. So it’s your moral duty to care for them no matter what.”

[long quiver]

I see the difference, you are 100% basing ur pov on body anatomy
My base is, utilitarianist 100%, what's moral for me is what causes more good than pain and the reference to that is a human being

[thorny steeple]

its an independent agent, then, without needing a mother for incubation or nutrition

well i have no example in my mind

[thorny steeple]

but the guy who needs blood and u dont give him that still will cause him pain and death eventually?

ok

well i said it correlation is not causation but u dont get the distinction

[thorny steeple]

im more of a speciesist

[long quiver]

That's why I said on long term, the act of forcing people to take their blood, is more damaging to humanity on long term spreading constant fear among people

• Even if we agreed on body autonomy, still you'll have to deal with the dilemma of two humans having both the body autonomy right!
  what makes prioritizing one person's life over another (I'm talking here about the fetus after the brain construction )

[thorny steeple]

no

i didnt specify

but when a baby comes out of womb and cuts the umbilical cord

its a separte human

no its out of her body so its not fully human until u cut the cord

[thorny steeple]

we prioritzes the consent to using ones body with his her consent

yeah inside the womb

[long quiver]

the baby for him human after cutting the cord but not human 1 sec before cutting the cord

[thorny steeple]

thats where i draw the line

[long quiver]

I can't agree with that at all, that's why I said brain formation is the line for me

[thorny steeple]

ok ur perspective

its just a line diff

[long quiver]

for me after brain formation, I also consider him her they them human that experience pain and has body autonomy right, maybe 7 month isn't exact, but the base for me is the brain

[thorny steeple]

Agreement to have fun and cheat

[long quiver]

Exactly, our difference is more on the line

[thorny steeple]

if its outside and still connected with umbillical cord, killing is moral, but not legally
if its outside and not connected, killing is immoral and not legally

[thorny steeple]

yup

yeah

morality and legally are way to different and absurd iagree

[long quiver]

• I won't say consent too cuz even after giving birth he doesn't have any consent, so would that be ok for u to kill him after cutting the cord

[thorny steeple]

@long quiver

[long quiver]

Definitely

[thorny steeple]

What's the topic

[long quiver]

They are both linked
what makes u prioritize one over the other

Don't tell me consent cuz the baby doesn't have consent even after 1 year of birth

[thorny steeple]

The person who needs (baby) someone else body to grow it self, in this the mother is getting used,

[thorny steeple]

no, a mother is not using the baby to live itself? right

the mother is not asking anything from the baby to survive

shit

my english

[long quiver]

U were discussing in the msg I replied to, the baby being outside the womb but still linked to his mother with the cord ...

He can be dependent on itself

[thorny steeple]

its the opposite

Abortion is better in terms when yu re not ready mentally or physically to have a baby

[thorny steeple]

then cut the cord and he is fully independent

[long quiver]

But she made a choice to kill him just before cutting it

[thorny steeple]

immorally i dont think it would be wrong with legally yes

@long quiver

[long quiver]

tbh, Of all this talk, for me giving birth itself is immoral 😭 🙏🏻

[thorny steeple]

When they both realize, then they should abort but before delivery of baby.

[thorny steeple]

u asked for it

can i ask a question

Sometimes 6-7 months also

how big the fetus afteer 6 month

inside the womb?

Killing outside is inhuman,, for me killing inside is better

Better than when yu r not ready to become parents ,, its better for baby

[long quiver]

So yea
for you even if they are outside the womb but still connected and the woman choose to kill him just before cutting the cord
U would still choose the mother even if both can be dependent
So it's like u are prioritising one over the other for no reason

[thorny steeple]

a baby in womb after 3 months is just 5 cm big

[long quiver]

So?

[thorny steeple]

its so small

just saying

My cousin age is 22,, due to this mentality his career has ruined ,, he has good future now he is a labour

[long quiver]

I'm antinatalist 😭🙏🏻

[thorny steeple]

and in 1 month its just 2 mm big

💀

[long quiver]

Yeaa i know

[thorny steeple]

thats so small

lol

I'm talking about abortion

[thorny steeple]

cus its based on morality

[long quiver]

Btw we share the same idiologies ( saw ur bio ) but still we disagree

[thorny steeple]

But he take a step for abortion make his future bright ,,

[thorny steeple]

well subjective morality is very different for everyon

[thorny steeple]

he just puts everything in a extreme thinking

like he wasnt even listening

[long quiver]

Yeaa

[thorny steeple]

yea u ddi

Yu are not emotional invested at early stage in when baby is in womb ,, so if yu r not ready so do abortion

did

[long quiver]

Anyway I'ma go continue math shit
had a good conversation with u @thorny steeple ❤️

Have a good day guys!

[thorny steeple]

this is how u have a argument @grand prism

😆

@grand prism u girl??

[thorny steeple]

even girls have better counter then him

Yu r just overthinking right nao

Comparing a abortion with killing 10 y/o is childish

[thorny steeple]

thats bad dawg

hes way to egoistic to be wrong

I m not here to prove mathematical proportional logic

[thorny steeple]

.

Hypothetical situation suppose yu are at age 19 and yur partner is at 18 ,, somehow she got pregnant and by yur logic she won't do abortion

Here is yur answer

If yu yes then I'm not wrong ,, If yu don't agree then I'm wrong

[wheat sable]

Hello everyone

[manic juniper]

The baby violated the NAP, you're allowed to defend yourself

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[rotund grove]

Why are you gay

[formal pilot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/600388485123145729/841302514741936168/Mosca_2.0-1.gif

[dire meteor]

halo

[thorny steeple]

Coz I m muslim my choice

[dire meteor]

you are gay because you are muslin?

[rotund grove]

My friend is also muslim but he's not gay

[rotund grove]

Huii

[dense agate]

doom

[formal pilot]

@fickle swift

Definitely located in US

[dire meteor]

i think he was be kidding

[dire meteor]

what's up ?

[dense agate]

huh

weren't you naming games?

[dire meteor]

nope, i just don't know to reply your message

[dense agate]

halo

https://tenor.com/view/halo-teabag-gif-12948320

[dire meteor]

[sage snow]

vpn lgaa k search kro behen yahi fir chat gpt
usme gov cher kahni ni kr skti

mt kro nhi dank lg raha

or konse website se yeh sare source AI de raha h ?

areh behen AI apne se answer nahi deta website se utha k deta h

itna toh jankari rakho

dikh avi

[formal pilot]

What's the USA debt to GDP ratio? It would be interesting to compare

[sage snow]

jb kuch valid chiz mang raha hu toh diya ni jaa raha

or dont deny kr rahi h

source koi website jaha se toh yeh delulu source mil raha h😭

[formal pilot]

I don't think the debt to GDP ratio has anything to do with population

[formal pilot]

English only

[thorny steeple]

https://x.com/pakistan_untold/status/1934083551936287134?t=IXVGUS5ot6wXzildjL5YmA&s=19

[formal pilot]

Nvm I'll google it myself

[thorny steeple]

Pakistani scholar told that female of kafir are captured in conflict as sex slaves

[sage snow]

so?
and dept to gdp ration doesnt depends on population

i can give u my source

[formal pilot]

Seems like it's not a bad thing to be in debt, it's only a problem when you don't have the resources to pay back

[sage snow]

according to what source ur saying this ?

[formal pilot]

I hope both countries start developing themselves instead of engaging in pp measuring contest

[manic juniper]

USA is mostly indebted with itself