🧠｜serious-chat

[wild sapphire]

It just does it because it can and because it wants to

The supreme expression of power unchecked by conscience or compassion

[feral river]

We want sex because we have such mechanics

[wild sapphire]

It’s your world view

[feral river]

We have dopamine that instigate your desire to have a sex

[manic juniper]

What about those who don't 😳

[wild sapphire]

But our conscience stops us from always listening to our animalistic impulses

At least for some

[feral river]

You are not out of the human body right ?

[feral river]

Lmao

[wild sapphire]

Everyone has evil desires

[coral belfry]

remove morality
what will happen?
everyone would hurt each other
humans live in societies
and societies live in order

[haughty storm]

Muscular men

[feral river]

Your conscience, was based on your brain

[manic juniper]

I'm a muscular man

[feral river]

If I shut down your brain you will have nothing but a dead body

[wild sapphire]

Again we would have to dive into the source of our respective moral centers

[feral river]

You brain contains everything that a conscience would exist, the memory, the processing, and response system, they were connected in between through electricity

[wild sapphire]

You speak about the physical processes, but our brains are like cd players- you have one cd playing in yours, “Machiavelli’a Greatest Hits Collection”

And I have another in mine

[feral river]

That’s electricity working in your brain but very low

[wild sapphire]

We are dancing to different songs

[feral river]

You are just a very advanced computer

[wild sapphire]

If what you are doing can even be called a dance

More like a dangerous flailing of limbs

[feral river]

Even your processing unit was just like a computer dude

[wild sapphire]

Computers run programs

That we possess computers is not in question and is actually irrelevant

The question is why your computer is running the programs it is

[haughty storm]

If you write a Manifesto PDF I will read it. Do It

[feral river]

Well you are, and that’s it

[wild sapphire]

And this likewise applies to myself

[feral river]

If I shut it down then you are dead, and your conscience will also dead

[wild sapphire]

Irrelevant

[feral river]

Conscience is not something that is out of the brain

[haughty storm]

Time?

[wild sapphire]

You aren’t talking to our topic anymore

Good we have brains, if our brains die, we die

Okay and

[feral river]

So what’s the point ?

I thought you said conscience tho

[wild sapphire]

I think what you are actually trying to say is what I already identified about you

You are an atheist, and you have followed this world view to its brutalist natural logical conclusion

And this is why you think the way you do

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-enjoying-lol-michael-jackson-gif-5256534

[wild sapphire]

Yes i already know minecraft

[feral river]

That’s the belief, science is not about you are believing it

[wild sapphire]

No need to repeat what we established at the beginning

[feral river]

They proving it

They are proving, that is part of the brain

This was very clear right ?

[wild sapphire]

The relevancy of your points is lost to me

So you win, mainly so i can depart

[thorny steeple]

Interactive accounts talking to each other on a screen

[wild sapphire]

God bless

[feral river]

If you think god actually exist, everything makes sense now

But science didn’t prove it

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/khabib-not-me-its-god-gif-12646714

[wild sapphire]

Welcome to the starting line

You finally arrived

I was waiting for you, but now i am going

We can talk another time God permitting

[thorny steeple]

GOD TOPIC FOR THE 1726TH TIME THIS DAY

[coral belfry]

we dont know yet

[feral river]

Crap i can’t count how many times I was debating about the fucking god

Go on

[wild sapphire]

You could not

But this server is full of people who delight in argument over nerd topics

[feral river]

Ah yeah make sense but try to prove it

[thorny steeple]

Did science prove how the universe was created

[wild sapphire]

What do you expect

[feral river]

Just go on let me see how you gonna prove they exist

[wild sapphire]

While i have been talking to i have been getting ready to leave house

We will talk again Lord willing

[feral river]

Not yet, but they have a reliable conclusion

And we are still observing the universe

They have conclusion by observation, not imagination

[coral belfry]

time for another argument stalemate

[feral river]

Imagination was also part of your brain, comes from the energy you consume from your food that assigned by your brain

If you consumed some drugs, there will be some crazy image you will see so that’s almost irrelevant to reality

[wild sapphire]

What makes you think it is over

[feral river]

And that could be forged

[wild sapphire]

It is on pause

Minecraft took the long way around to get to the beginning

But now that we are here, we can move on to the next part

[feral river]

Just go on

[thorny steeple]

Give the conclusion dont come up with words

[thorny steeple]

Here we go

[feral river]

That makes no sense and I give you that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang?wprov=sfti1#

Your word makes no sense till now

Just remind you

[thorny steeple]

Tell me wut u know I thought u r a scientist
Btw what it was before the big bang

[thorny steeple]

U still using words 😭😭

[feral river]

There’s rule of law and morality almost does not participate in politics

Politics is where the interest exchanges

And the rule of law is based on force

[spice tusk]

What are you guys even talking about?

[feral river]

Without force your law and your moral and everything is nothing

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[manic juniper]

Planck epoch

[thorny steeple]

And before it

It's just an infinite loop

[manic juniper]

Nothing, it was just the first era

[manic juniper]

No

[thorny steeple]

So there was a starting point??

[manic juniper]

Are you LGBT

[spice tusk]

I’m gay, yes

[manic juniper]

Possibly, the initial singularity

[spice tusk]

We don’t know

[manic juniper]

I see, happy pride month

[spice tusk]

Yesss

[thorny steeple]

Well who started the point
Well there is a conclusion... A creator aka god

[wild sapphire]

I decided I am going to put off my trip lol

[haughty storm]

BREAKING NEWS MINECRAFT_652 IS A 4'8 FEMBOY

[wild sapphire]

If I leave I don’t know when we will continue

[thorny steeple]

Take me with ya

[manic juniper]

The initial singularity, that's why it's called initial

[wild sapphire]

How do you want to continue

[haughty storm]

Or muscular 6'4 we don't know either

[manic juniper]

Saying it was god is just jumping to conclusions without basing it off any credible model

[spice tusk]

Very true

[wild sapphire]

The word dinosaur was invented in 1842- before that they were called dragons

Call it singularity or call it God

[manic juniper]

No

[wild sapphire]

We need not be specific

[manic juniper]

Dinosaurs were called birds

[ocean kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hug-angry-birds-catbird-really-meme-no-fake-gif-9980836029424925531

[wild sapphire]

At this stage of the argument it is not necessary to establish which God or Singularity we are referring to

[manic juniper]

Before non-avian dinosaurs were discovered there likely weren't any fossils of dinosaurs that were mistaken for dragons, it rather was mammoth and other Pleistocene mammal bones

[wild sapphire]

I think the key difference is whether or not the Singularity was rooted in nature or existed apart from it

Or at least one of them

[manic juniper]

Nothing points at it being supernatural

[wild sapphire]

I think that from everything we can observe in nature, we can conclude that it was

[manic juniper]

The initial singularity isn't the most supported model either, only if you limit yourself to general relativity

[wild sapphire]

Describe the peculiar qualities of the Singularity

Self existent, possessing no source

The first push- without any pusher

Eternal and preexistent

[spice tusk]

This is getting very philosophical lmao

[wild sapphire]

There is nothing in nature that possesses all of these qualities

It is already above nature in that respect

[manic juniper]

It's not eternal, it's in the name: initial, means in the beginning

[wild sapphire]

But from where

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately

I would rather have them read slowly what's being said or not inventing stuff

[wild sapphire]

In nature it is not observed to have a push without a pusher, an effect without cause

This is not natural

It either created itself

Well i mean that’s all there is

[spice tusk]

Well, we’re also talking about a point in the universe that we don’t fully understand

[wild sapphire]

You presume it had a starting point because you assume it follows the laws of naturw

[manic juniper]

Could've been a collectivity of deities, why did it need to be one or to have a quantity

[wild sapphire]

But for some reason you only assume this and ignore the other problems

[wild sapphire]

This would be the logical next step

[manic juniper]

No, they presume it has a starting point because it's based off general relativity. Once you add quantum mechanics it's very different, it can very well be a loop or cycle

[wild sapphire]

I said we need not pick a specific deity at this point

Or even which pantheon or collection

[manic juniper]

I'm being consistent, I'm not assuming stuff beyond for no good reason

[thorny steeple]

Ya actin like The initial singularity was proved to be true
Well the thing we learned that there is a starter for the action u cant just say yee it was nuthin then it happened

[wild sapphire]

Merely that the Initiator is already superseding almost every observable natural law merely by existing

And because of this, it is arbitrary for you to assume that it would not be eternal

[manic juniper]

I'm not, which is why I said it's not the most accepted model so far... Again, you could read everything I said or at least pay attention 👍🏻

[wild sapphire]

It bucks every other known natural convention

Why would you assume it would conform to natural law solely on this point

It is the Singularity in every way you can think of it

[manic juniper]

"Natural law" is pointless terminology here

[wild sapphire]

Here it means, based on what precedent can be reasonably observed and by which logical conclusions can be made

The Singularity is distinct in its inherent logical qualities form nearly everything else

[manic juniper]

So it's pointless, since our observations are very limited by our recent existence

[wild sapphire]

And yet for some reason you presume it is not eternal

[manic juniper]

You don't use a Chinese man's experience in 2025 to determine how ancient Egyptians lived in 4500 BC

[wild sapphire]

But all I have established is that in not conforming to what is known of nature in nearly every observable and testable instance, it is therefore in some sense “Super natural”

[manic juniper]

And this is an even more absurd matter, it goes back billions if not even to infinity (assuming the Big Bounce model is real)

[wild sapphire]

Its singular and unique set of qualities makes it so

[coral belfry]

what i said that humans live in societies and societies need order so they will create laws anyway
that is my point

[manic juniper]

No, we know many things which existed back in time before we had any way to record them and I'm sure we don't consider most of them to be supernatural

[wild sapphire]

Supernatural here meaning that it rises above the norms and repeatable processes we can expect to find at nearly every instance of natural observation

[manic juniper]

It doesn't seem to be unique, the model is based off phenomena we described

[wild sapphire]

But we do not assume any of them fail to conform to the natural trends and processes that the Singularity by logical necessity is exempt from in order for everything else to be

Because it would abnormal to assume it

Nature does not indicate this ever happens

Argue with me about the qualities of this Singularity, is it intelligent or not, if so, who or what is it

A turtle perhaps

But it is inherently supernatural already

[manic juniper]

It does, based off general relativity...

[rocky coyote]

is serious chat contemplating about god's existence again

[manic juniper]

Some are, I didn't really mention it

[wild sapphire]

Hello, you are the one who joins and rolls his eyes to demonstrate the clear gap in his intelligence between yourself and everyone else

Do your song and dance so we can get it out of the way

[thorny steeple]

God doesn't exist becuz I wasn't paying attention
u cant put an argument pushing an idea over other idea becuz u didn't likes it or sumth everything has a cause to happen or to exist the Big bang has a cause its so stupid that all these rules breaks down when we are arguing abt it

[wild sapphire]

And continue

[manic juniper]

I'm describing in a very crude manner how the universe may have started moving or progress

[rocky coyote]

i know you wouldn't, you dont have as much seething ideological/moral drivel to be mad about it as most guys here

[rocky coyote]

not really. i just prefer more concrete topics 😭

[wild sapphire]

Okay well thank you slito

It was a pleasant interlude, thank you for that commercial break

[manic juniper]

I don't really care about god's existence or not, I would rather have it be real so it's more similar to how I would imagine it (the Vision Serpent). Simply describing a process isn't denying something else completely unrelated

[manic juniper]

Thanks! And it's weird because I'm supposed to be that kind of person, I'm a reptile propagandist, ecoterrorist and ideological extremist

[wild sapphire]

I think believing in your snake god would be more logical than atheism

And more in conformity to observation of the natural world

I didnt say it was logical, merely more logical- more in its general direction

[manic juniper]

It makes more sense than most fictional stories I've heard for sure

[wild sapphire]

Like atheism

[manic juniper]

It would perfectly explain why there is so much reptilian imagery in all myths

[wild sapphire]

It might

[manic juniper]

Yes, having a model based off observable and tested results in a controlled environment usually is somewhat reliable compared to hallucinations and suggestions

[rocky coyote]

the head bites the tail in death we are born

[manic juniper]

Ouroboros

[thorny steeple]

And idc abt u believing in him or not just don't push a theory over other I thought u the HUMAN OF SCIENCE while u syin that a thing created itself from another thing that created itself
Btw u write God of War stories are more accurate tbh

[wild sapphire]

I think acknowledging the supernatural quality of the Singularity, its transcendent nature above anything else that currently exists, would not make you a theist or even a deist but I think it would at least remove you from atheism

[manic juniper]

You don't care yet you brought it up as if it's the case? Your argument needs to be consistent, this is just bait and switch

[wild sapphire]

It does not need to assume the Singularity possesses intent or sentience

[manic juniper]

I didn't even say that it was self-creation anywhere lmfao, I hate when people don't read for whatever reason

Holy fucking shit

[wild sapphire]

I am not interested in having you debate two people

[manic juniper]

It's no mystery that mammals are responsible for all that is evil on this world, they would rather create an enemy out of nothing than face reality when it doesn't suit them

[wild sapphire]

It isn’t courteous

I will bow out for now

[manic juniper]

Nothing suggests it's supernatural, otherwise it wouldn't be described following general relativity

[rocky coyote]

idg why you'd be averse to the idea of a transcendent focal point in the universe. what's the harm in believing it other than to spite when you don't?

[thorny steeple]

"holly fkin shi" Ye you being subjective right now thats really third world behaviors
I cant push anymore

[rocky coyote]

"third world behavior" when you speak english like that 😭

here i thought the arguments would be worthwhile

[manic juniper]

Are ad hominems all that you have?

[manic juniper]

They never are

[wild sapphire]

He is trying his best

[manic juniper]

There used to be once upon a time, around the time I joined and a little later

[wild sapphire]

You are doing your song and dance again

Where you say nothing of import or contribution

[wild sapphire]

English is clearly not his first language

Cheap shot to focus on that

[thorny steeple]

Yee I never see someone I never see someone swearing in the middle of argument

[manic juniper]

Swearing is normal, the ancients did it all the times

It's especially normal when the other side changes argument or ignores their own previous statements, or they don't listen or understand what their adversary is saying

[wild sapphire]

Isfrun is intelligent and usually level headed but she gets frustrated like anyone else, don’t get hung up on this like Slito gets hung up on your grammatical errors

[thorny steeple]

Well why u didn't bring the point I missed or u just sticking with YOU CHANGING THE TOPIC cuz now u changed it to me

[wild sapphire]

Don’t harp on this

[manic juniper]

I can excuse not having a full comprehension because I'm not that great at the language either, I just can't stand annoying assumptions or willful ignorance

[tawny talon]

Hello

[manic juniper]

I already did

You didn't change your course

One #🧠｜serious-chat message
Two #🧠｜serious-chat message

[thorny steeple]

Ngl I enjoyed arguing with her I took a lot of points that it really deserve a look but switching from argument to how to calling wut u say bait and switch is a subjectivity

[wild sapphire]

Unfortunate it fell apart

We will assume the best of both parties and chalk it up to the challenges of communicating in languages that are non native to either of you

Also it is just frustrating to not be understood

[manic juniper]

You really didn't, if you really paid attention to the whole argument I didn't say anywhere that any model disproves god, in fact it wasn't really part of my original statement. I simply said what was there before the Big Bang according to some models

[thorny steeple]

Well in the first one I just reminded ya to not over pushing and theory over another

[manic juniper]

None of which prove or disprove god, or are in any way related to god's existence in the first place

[wild sapphire]

Perhaps you could disengage

[manic juniper]

🤦🏼‍♀️

[thorny steeple]

Well ig there is no point anyway

[wild sapphire]

Theory of general relativity establishes universe has a beginning and helps establish when it might have been begun but it does nothing towards altering the supernatural qualities of the source of such a beginning

[manic juniper]

It doesn't establish a creation, there is no point in it where it does

[wild sapphire]

Wrong word choice

[manic juniper]

It establishes a beginning of time which is different from creation

[wild sapphire]

Yes yes, i changed it

I saw what you would focus on i know

We will not use such loaded language when i can catch it

[manic juniper]

There is nothing supernatural about general relativity unless I missed it

If there is I'd like to know

[wild sapphire]

A beginning is natural

Beginning from nothing is not

[manic juniper]

?

[wild sapphire]

Although, i say this for rhetorical purposes

[manic juniper]

It's not loaded language, it's just inaccurate

[wild sapphire]

In reality, i do not like the word supernatural

[manic juniper]

Nowhere it implies ex nihilo

You need to address only what's being said, I cannot argue points that I didn't make

[wild sapphire]

To clarify your position

I believe that you are stating that nature itself need not come from a source

It did not come from nothing

[manic juniper]

My position isn't even this, I was just describing one of the main models

[wild sapphire]

I see

[manic juniper]

I don't have enough knowledge on general relativity or quantum mechanics to have an opinion on it and I don't find it particularly interesting

[wild sapphire]

You are once again serving as a clinical dispensary of knowledge and data, which is a useful service I suppose

Thank you

[manic juniper]

Vitun hyvin

[wild sapphire]

Anyway, I feel that anything God does, and I recognize I am skipping to the end, is entirely natural, as anything He would be responsible for would of course be natural- He is the originator of natural processes

Nature wasn’t natural till He made it to begin with

[wild sapphire]

Yes yes

Likewise, and many more

[manic juniper]

If there was no nature then what's the point of even giving it features when it doesn't exist as a concept

[manic juniper]

?

[wild sapphire]

You love to say things in other languages or runes or whatever and decline to ever translate them so it behooves my mischievous nature to interpret whatever you said in any way I wish

[manic juniper]

Runes? What

[wild sapphire]

I don’t know what they are

[manic juniper]

Orientalism, got it

[wild sapphire]

We all of us do our best with the limited vocabulary we each possess to describe what is in front of us

You should assume good faith

People find dinosaur bones, assume they are dragons- well how could they call them dinosaurs before the word was invented

[manic juniper]

Except they didn't

[wild sapphire]

We will allow that they did the best job they could describing what they did not with what words they had to use

[manic juniper]

It's a literal myth

Can I base my argument off myths and misconceptions too

[wild sapphire]

As an aside, where do you think the idea of dragon comes from

Just as a matter of casual curiosity on my part

Not rhetorical, sincere

[manic juniper]

Nowhere, what's called a dragon in a language is called azhdar in another and they aren't 1:1 equivalents

[wild sapphire]

And the word, dragon?

[manic juniper]

Dragons specifically come from the ancient Proto-Indo-European myth of the rain god fighting against a primordial serpent

[wild sapphire]

Again i am asking for wikifrun

[manic juniper]

I'm not an etymologist, look it up

[wild sapphire]

Hmm

[manic juniper]

I know what it means in my language, which already doesn't directly translate into dragon

It translates into salmon snake

[wild sapphire]

Cool

I noticed that the word salmon shows up a bit more often in finnish than i accustomed to

At least as i recall the rainbow trout conversation

[manic juniper]

It doesn't

[wild sapphire]

How would you know what i am accustomed to lol

Too far too far a reach

[manic juniper]

Because you only saw it twice and ran with it

[wild sapphire]

In english you we basically use the word to describe one type of fish, at least, colloquially

Then i find that you call rainbow trout salmon

As well as some sort of dragon type creature

In addition it would seem to what we would also call salmon

[manic juniper]

Trouts don't really exist cladistically

It's more accurate to call them salmons

[wild sapphire]

Interesting

Well thank you for sharing with the chat as always

[manic juniper]

It's not. It's the second time I said this

[wild sapphire]

Lol well it’s interesting to me

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-gif-18166624139951744679

[wild sapphire]

You assume too much of other people as always

[manic juniper]

@dapper laurel Italians after the recent football performance?

[wild sapphire]

Well pleasant afternoon or whatever time it is for you

[manic juniper]

When

The sheer irony of saying that is lost on me

[wild sapphire]

Yes I know, I am prone to doing this as well

[manic juniper]

Can you tell me when I did that?

I am curious now

[wild sapphire]

Well in this conversation- i say it is interesting- a statement that reflects my thoughts- and then you counter it by saying it isn’t- a statement that centers it back on yourself

I say that your use of salmon is more than i am accustomed to

And then once again counter my own assertion of my perspective with your own

Well, perhaps it isnt interesting to you

And perhaps it is not more than you are accustomed to

But why would you presume i share these thoughts

[manic juniper]

Who says it was referring to you

[wild sapphire]

I suppose that is fair

[low seal]

Hii

[manic juniper]

One good assumption for once

[wild sapphire]

You don’t like to lose

[rose lion]

Wsp

[wild sapphire]

So you win, Isfrun

With that i leave you in triumph

And with my kudos

[manic juniper]

No, I enjoy losing if I have a shot at winning

[low seal]

@rose lion imm good, and u?

[wild sapphire]

I love this line lol

[manic juniper]

Or if it brings improvements

[wild sapphire]

Goodbye

[manic juniper]

Ran out of assumptions?

[rose lion]

Trying to find a Term to use instead of "her laughter echoing louder than any royal decree"

[manic juniper]

[wild sapphire]

No you merely won the debate

Why continue to run a race that has reached its conclusion

Now i will go relax lol, enjoy the reward

[manic juniper]

There was no debate

I didn't see arguments from the other guy and neither from my own

[wild sapphire]

Indeed, it was more an intellectual massacre

[low seal]

For a novel?

[manic juniper]

People who defend other people's ideas instead of their own aren't good at debates

[wild sapphire]

I was the victim ofc isfrun, lol ofc

[rose lion]

Story

[manic juniper]

Which is exactly what I did

[wild sapphire]

I mean not morally

[rose lion]

Short story

[wild sapphire]

I mean i was the loser lol dont worry

[low seal]

Cool

[wild sapphire]

And ofc i am sure you arent worried

Just an expression, and i dont assume either way

You are isfrun, and that is all, you said what you said and all is said and done

[rose lion]

Wish there was a place to find terms to describe actions when out of ideas

[wild sapphire]

Chatgpt perhaps lol

[manic juniper]

Did you try the Cambridge online dictionary? It's pretty good

Look up the synonyms on a page, or even on Wiktionary

[wild sapphire]

What action do you wish to describe

[rose lion]

@wild sapphire this

[wild sapphire]

And which word

The whole expression?

[rose lion]

pretty much

[wild sapphire]

Are there any words you are okay to keep?

[rose lion]

Maybe laughter

[wild sapphire]

Is she laughing due to some sort of triumph?

Is it sarcastic laughter?

[dawn canyon]

hi

[wild sapphire]

What is the context here?

[dawn canyon]

what you talking about

[rose lion]

Like the context is meant that she is young girl and being like any kid, running and being careless

[wild sapphire]

Oooh lol

[rose lion]

And I just don't know how to describe it

[wild sapphire]

This was important because the way you worded it made it sound like she was an evil queen to me

Let me see

The unburdened innocence of youth and her exuberant vitality bubbled forth from her lips in an eruption of joyous laughter

How does that sound

[manic juniper]

You can replace the last part with "more deafening than an air raid's siren"

[wild sapphire]

No wait

Let me see

Hmm something like that maybe

[rose lion]

It sounds fancy

[wild sapphire]

Do you want it less fancy?

[rose lion]

No! It's alright, thank you

Back to writing now

[wild sapphire]

Hope it goes well

That was fun, thank you

[rocky coyote]

hawk tuah

should i take a shit at the uni bathroom or nah

[rocky coyote]

the girl who will replace hawk tuah 🤔

[thorny steeple]

Undecided yet aka unknown

[manic juniper]

Do you support PNG

Or at least West Papua

[rocky coyote]

JPEG and JPG only

wait what's PNG short for here

oh new guinea 😭

[manic juniper]

I don't like lossy format

[rocky coyote]

JPEGs are, JPGs have smoother qualities

[rocky coyote]

anyway i'm not well-versed in PNG's affairs since most highlighted conflicts are brewing in the indonesian occupied side. despite the criticisms i have to lay out about the freedom fighters, the government contributes to a bigger fault at not totalizing their support through administrative and infrastructural clearance

[manic juniper]

I asked because I saw the red and black flag on your profile, it's similar to PNG's flag 🇵🇬 I was wondering if it was a reference to the freedom fighters

Or to another resistance group in their favour

[rocky coyote]

oooh. no it's just my politics, or at least the general strands of it haha

[manic juniper]

Is it anarchism then

I recognise the Palestine flag but not the red and black

[rocky coyote]

with the black flag yeah

[lime jolt]

The only thing below me is my womb

[rocky coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/2hollis-gif-14157679364518673005

[manic juniper]

Anarcho-communism? Idk

[rocky coyote]

ehhh i didnt mean to fuse them when i included the flags. my beliefs fall on the spectrum, but not combined

[thorny steeple]

Anarcho Capitalism/communism

[rocky coyote]

i engage with them as separate ideologies, left anarchism and socialism/(mild) social democracy

[thorny steeple]

Social democracy on top!

[rocky coyote]

we looove nordic welfare 🗣️

[thorny steeple]

We love The SDP!

[rocky coyote]

i saw that

and no i dont so. don't drag me

[thorny steeple]

Lmao

[manic juniper]

Understood

[wild sapphire]

I love this thing and still dont grasp what it is

Some kind of chaotic force of nature ensconced in the small form of a woodland animal

[rocky coyote]

those fancy words apply to usagi alone.

[wild sapphire]

Is that the little white one

I have finally found someone knowledgable about this creature

[rocky coyote]

no it's the yellow force of the gluttony in the video i sent

[wild sapphire]

Who is the little white one

[rocky coyote]

chiikawa is the white one, the titular character

[wild sapphire]

Ahhh

Chiikawa and usagi

I think i want to watch this

[rocky coyote]

hachiware is the blue one, their closest friend and the only creature in the trio to speak the common tongue

[wild sapphire]

He speaks human language?

[rocky coyote]

they act as the translator to both chiikawa and usagi

[wild sapphire]

Ahhhhh i love it lol

It looks like demented cute fun

[rocky coyote]

everyone does except chiikawa and usagi. chiikawa's too burdened by their anxiety so they can only communicate in childlike grunts and whines. usagi can't verbalize their thoughts at all but they make it up with direct action

[wild sapphire]

Innnnteresting

You love this show

It looks adorable

[rocky coyote]

it has 250 episodes each in a minute's length.

[wild sapphire]

WOW

[rocky coyote]

i caught up through an ig account 😭

[rocky coyote]

nevermind i missed one guy

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-gif-4794263998520089114

[wild sapphire]

Who is this interesting soda loving fellow

[rocky coyote]

thats a lemon sprinkled beer they're drinking and their name is kurimanju

[wild sapphire]

Lemonade beer is the only beer i like

Radler

Kurimanju has good taste

[manic juniper]

It's similar to Kurmanji

[slender coral]

Yes lol

In a Hadith.

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[fossil brook]

I am running company kind of software engineering
All I need is a computer ship address
You will receive my computer and turn on and earn money for that
1k per month
$
usd

[sharp creek]

what is a computer ship address

a boat?

[verbal abyss]

yes zinx

[rocky coyote]

was the gecko controlled by satan. why did it become its own story to religiously permit gecko killing

[wild sapphire]

it reminds me of the hadith where Muhammad advised his followers that if a fly landed in their drink, it was recommended to fully submerge the fly into the drink because one wing of the fly carried disease, while the other wing carried the cure to that disease

[rocky coyote]

the hadist itself wasnt even the dumbest part. many scientists fought tooth and nail to prove this right and their scientific ramifications were solely hung on the chemicals in the wings seeping into drink

[wild sapphire]

[rocky coyote]

i'm welcome to the idea that religious passages told concepts that preceded modern time researches. even if skeptics presumed most came from simple intuition and weren't entirely novel ideas, they're still prescient and they did build the intellectual spark for people at the time to learn.

but some prophet recounts are straight up questionable

[wild sapphire]

i am familiar with several of the hadiths

[rocky coyote]

i was raised muslim, and my dad once bought me a book on the bits of sciences expressed vaguely in the qur'an and hadiths. its been years since i opened it but the majority of ideas were scientifically viable. they had huge merits as insights of daily life conducts i.e navigation, food components, health and eating habits through a worshipped book, but the attempts at proving disbelievers wrong on the more abstract topics in the end got a bit unchallenging

the arguments on the islamic behalf is too "presupposed". it's almost just pushing subjectivities down the other person's throat.

[thorny steeple]

Exactly ♥️

[wild sapphire]

are you Muslim?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

[rocky coyote]

do you have anything say or...

[thorny steeple]

You are a muslim?

[rocky coyote]

only on my citizen's id and to the knowledge of my close connections. i generally dont profess to it that much

[thorny steeple]

Whys that?cause it's presupposed?

[rocky coyote]

incompatibility thats all

[thorny steeple]

What do you think you want it to be as compatible as science....like equal

[rocky coyote]

i dont wanna get into this..

[wild sapphire]

i think there is a language barrier here

[rocky coyote]

can a guy just not believe

[rocky coyote]

😭

this made me look at that guy's question and youre right he only plucked off what i said

[wild sapphire]

i am not even sure what it means exactly, no offense to you, atif

"What do you think? Do you want it to be compatible with science? Equal to science?"

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/math-zach-galifianakis-gif-9479111

[wild sapphire]

I think that is an approximation of what he was saying

but how to answer such a question

[rocky coyote]

ok well...that's one way to read it

[thorny steeple]

Slito said about islam being presupposed

And that isn't compatible

[rocky coyote]

no i didnt mean to relate both statement to each other

[thorny steeple]

all I wanted to say was that you want it to be like what science had done or is doing

[rocky coyote]

when i said its incompatible its a sum of what i felt throughout the years. it had nothing to do with the previous talk

[wild sapphire]

he is saying it isn't compatible with himself

[thorny steeple]

Ohh

[rocky coyote]

no it involves more than science and im not here to clear my point to anyone 😭

[tough gull]

[versed olive]

What are you guys debating on?

Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

You'll get the capital punishment

https://tenor.com/view/got-daenerys-fireball-delayed-gif-22018542

Mf

[rocky coyote]

one of my coworkers is a chronic weeb becaude why is your nick on the office gc not your real name

like, who's "poetic narrator" and why do you have a solo leveling pfp

[thorny steeple]

Lmao

[versed olive]

Non comprehensible

[lofty hound]

is he a programmer?

[slender coral]

I'm currently reading this book

It's the most stupid shit I read in my life up until now.

[night cedar]

are you an atheist?

[sharp creek]

beo homexxxx!

your pfp is cute

[verbal abyss]

https://tunnels.honestreporting.com/b/reports/24
lol

[night cedar]

thank you

[uncut tiger]

damn

very very controversial stuff going on

[slender coral]

It's truly mind boggling beyond belief, unbelievable. You kill, imprison, and harass people over something you deeply believe in yet have no objective standards to prove it with. All your "evidence" is basically your personal preference in literature, and you call that "scientifically and methodologically" proven.

[slender coral]

I'm non-religious.

Not an atheist though.

[verbal abyss]

Schools, mosques, hospital stuff probably didn't notice how under their buildings located tunnels which comparable to the second largest metropolitan in the world

Interesting

[sharp creek]

whats the difference

[verbal abyss]

Agnostic

[sharp creek]

atheist == non-religious

[uncut tiger]

are you agnostic

[verbal abyss]

Nope

[sharp creek]

whats that

[rocky coyote]

no, an english teacher

[verbal abyss]

Don't believe in god but not sure if he exists

[wild sapphire]

atheist means without belief in any higher power, non-religious can suggest some form of spirituality but home-brewed, without a preestablished religious system

[slender coral]

It's only controversial because of emotions. Muslim Arabic speakers are emotionally drawn to the Quran and they think it's because it has any value on its own. But non-Muslim Arabic speakers know that it's bullshit.

[wild sapphire]

i have heard this argument

[verbal abyss]

There are gnostic atheists, agnostic atheists, agnostic theists, gnostic theists

[sharp creek]

fk, once theres a religious topic,you guys show up

[wild sapphire]

i'm Christian, lol

[rocky coyote]

walked to the metro drenched af #fml

[wild sapphire]

i like rain

sorry you are soaked through though

[rocky coyote]

this is a little generalizing dont you think

[sharp creek]

But I think Christians are pretty normal, just like atheists

[sharp creek]

Do you have any principles that you must follow

[slender coral]

Not spiritual though. I think I'm more of an apatheist, meaning I don't care about the whole matter of the creator or creation. But when I think about how the universe came to existence, I tend to think that there are some sort of natural laws that brought it, that seems to make more sense.
Someone told me this is an atheistic view though.

[wild sapphire]

love God, and love your neighbor, and love your enemies

[slender coral]

How so?

[sharp creek]

'love your enemies'

[wild sapphire]

mhm

Jesus said that we need to emulate our Father

and God shows kindness to those who hate Him, He provides for their needs as He does for others

[verbal abyss]

It was your request

[wild sapphire]

so Jesus said we must do good to those who hate us, bless those who curse us, and pray for those who spitefully use us and persecute us

He did it best

[sharp creek]

yeah i appreciate it

[slender coral]

It truly scratches my mind how they state the weakest arguments with iron confidence. As if they saw and talked to their god before.
They even say "I bear witness that there's no god but Allah" although they witnessed no shit.
شهادة زور as we say in Arabic.

[wild sapphire]

to be honest though

i fundamentally disagree with Islam on all levels

[manic juniper]

Probably my most hated aspect about it

[rocky coyote]

quran verses have been lauded as evocative literary arts even by non muslim arabs, it's preached as the glossary of fundamental inspiration in arabic poems. i have no stakes in the discussion this is just a little smth from me. i think the conclusion you came to was a bit narrow minded

[wild sapphire]

however, your rhetoric matters here- we aren't discussing it in such a way as to reason with it

we are just sort calling it stupid

[manic juniper]

Killing reptiles is where I draw a really hard line and this causes me to hate it to no end now

[sharp creek]

im not buy it at all, if i robbed your money, do you gonna beat my ass

[manic juniper]

It's pure barbarism

[wild sapphire]

I am not allowed

Jesus said if you rob me, I should give you more

[manic juniper]

It's almost as if they distilled pure mammalian ideology

[sharp creek]

but,if that happened

[rocky coyote]

they can clothe empirically wrong statements with flowery language but they're flowers nonetheless

[manic juniper]

Idk but seems like other animals were helping Ibrahim, which means the gecko had free will to act in favour or against

[slender coral]

What do you mean exactly?

Fancy words aside, you are wrong.

[rocky coyote]

fancy words????

[slender coral]

Idk bro I'm intermediate in English 😭

[wild sapphire]

big words helps you say more with less

he is not being pretentious

[slender coral]

Or help you look right when you are wrong.

[oak lily]

It seems that sticking with only one dictionary (if there is no rare situation), one grammar book is much better so to not waste any time.

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/gex-money-winking-gex-enter-the-gecko-ps1-gif-24648318

[wild sapphire]

only if the audience can't make heads or tails of what they are reading, I guess

[sharp creek]

insane, i will get rich, because im going out on the streat and find christians

[wild sapphire]

ofc it is important to tailor your language to your audience when it is feasible to do so

communication is hard

[sharp creek]

then christians will shoot me

[manic juniper]

USA moment

[slender coral]

That's what happened. The message directed at me, someone who is intermediate.

[wild sapphire]

do you really want to do this?

Christians are not supposed to shoot you, that's all I can say

Jesus said if someone asks us for something, we should give it and expect nothing in return

[sharp creek]

hahahaha

[rocky coyote]

mkay lemme tone it down a little. i dont think non muslim arabs will be stunned by most quran verses when they are grammatically and metaphorically proper. you'll have to bag a certain hate towards them to even say they sound stupid

[wild sapphire]

i understand

again, communication is so hard, especially when most of the participants are all speaking in a language that is not their native, and in which they all vary in degrees of comprehension

you guys should be gracious

probably need to ask a lot of questions to make sure there is no misunderstanding

wow everyone is here

[slender coral]

I had this attitude toward it even as a Muslim.

[feral river]

It was like oh what the fuck idc what happens, god no.1 and fuck you if you don’t believe in god

[wild sapphire]

were you a Muslim at some point?

[manic juniper]

It's over

[slender coral]

Born and raised as one even.

[wild sapphire]

i see

people raised in a given religion tend to be the most openly hostile when they apostasize

[feral river]

I was already enough about some backward ideology that drives people into cycle of underdeveloped and radical

[sharp creek]

omg i like christians , if that is true, i will never be hated by a christian

[feral river]

Like Islam is a typical one

[wild sapphire]

why are you reading the book?

[wild sapphire]

Jesus said hatred in the heart is seen by the Lord as murder

[slender coral]

I guess so. No one likes getting something they aren't convinced with pushed down their throats.

[manic juniper]

Maoism as opposed to Dengism?

[wild sapphire]

I am wondering though, in a world full of enemies and people who wish to harm you, why would you go out of your way to take advantage of people who are committed to taking care of you because God loves you

[formal pilot]

[sharp creek]

omg ................................ christians are nice?

[feral river]

Well they are quite so different, in some cases I would say Maoism is more advanced

[wild sapphire]

it is not advisable to paint any group with such a broad brush

[feral river]

For example to deal with corruption, and for ideological struggle

[wild sapphire]

I am speaking to what we are called to, not to how every Christian behaves

many don't even know that they are supposed to do these things

and many who do know capitulate to human weakness

[manic juniper]

Is Dengism more focused on money?

[feral river]

But Dengism was a more like how to make the pie bigger

[slender coral]

Someone recommended it for me after I asked for the objective standards they judge the Quran with, and up until this point I don't see any.
I was a bit dumb honestly, thought I'd see that for a moment.

[wild sapphire]

i am merely saying, this is what we are supposed to do

[feral river]

That’s what he said

[wild sapphire]

i appreciate your intellectual honesty

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[wild sapphire]

I feel that you summarized the argument and its inherent flaw quite succinctly however

[feral river]

Maoism isn’t that bad, it was eliminated the corruption, and cracked down on reactionary forces

[sharp creek]

got it, but i will still like your religion groups

[wild sapphire]

you mean because you will see Christians as easy pickings

[feral river]

And it establish the basis of our nation which will not be easily overthrow

[wild sapphire]

you shouldn't shoot your friends when you will have so many enemies in life

[slender coral]

Still no though, I will after reading the book.

[formal pilot]

Good and bad individuals exist within every religion, no faith is exempt from this reality. To claim that any group is inherently good would be an oversimplification

[feral river]

You can imagine that even the most terrible cases of great leap forward and cultural revolution happened for decades and our political structure and power stays fine

That’s super weird because if some state even have 10 days or 20 days of cultural revolution they might have a upcoming real revolution very soon

But for us, these lasts for decades, and people still praise Mao till now

[manic juniper]

True, even saurians get carried away by their inner mammal instead of following the reptile path all the way through

[wild sapphire]

have you guys seen the martian btw?

[sharp creek]

no sir, without any purpose, all people like kind people

[wild sapphire]

i'm watching it rn, idk i like this movie lol

such a great movie

[wild sapphire]

you need to evaluate each Christian the same way you do anyone else

[manic juniper]

Not if the kindness is just a façade

[wild sapphire]

i am sorry to say that the Christian moniker doesn't mean much

unless it is backed up by fidelity

by Christ's seal of authenticity

[feral river]

The pope, how many troops he have ? - Joseph Stalin

[wild sapphire]

i am not Catholic, so I can offer no insight

[sharp creek]

yeah Of course !

[feral river]

Can’t believe in 21 century there was a bunch of people who try to use the way that happened few centuries ago to grow their power and they totally failed before it

Their place remain divided into chaos, war, and poverty while stay shouting for the god’s sake

[sharp creek]

who??

[manic juniper]

He had many once

[wild sapphire]

the catholics waged some of the most disgusting wars in history, both against others, and against Biblical Christianity

[manic juniper]

He was in charge of the most powerful country in Italy and one of the most fearsome in all of Europe

[wild sapphire]

i think this is good english practice

[manic juniper]

It had little power projection compared to colonial power which is why they stayed behind

[wild sapphire]

you are talking about very complex issues, this is bound to improve your vocabulary

[feral river]

That’s the fucking truth

Idc about the english thing tbh I say whatever the fuck is truth

[wild sapphire]

i also love how you add the f word at unusual moments, you come across as very passionate and exciteable, which is probably true

[sharp creek]

out of your mind hahahahah

[wild sapphire]

you do need to have an adequate understanding of a given language in order to communicate truth in said language, however

[sharp creek]

He’s been getting crazier and crazier lately

[wild sapphire]

life is hard

[feral river]

I understand what you are saying and you don’t understand what I’m saying as the other knows ?

Who seems to be the real problem here

[wild sapphire]

to be honest

[manic juniper]

No he's limiting his power level

[wild sapphire]

i am no longer engaging with your statements as arguments anymore

[manic juniper]

We almost lost Minecraft lad more than once

[wild sapphire]

you recycle the same ideas over and over, and to no one in particular, which tells me you just want company, and you are sharing what you are passionate for- these are not bad things

and I have addressed the points as much as I care to

[manic juniper]

This is his most acceptable form, it doesn't violate any rule be it outlined or hidden

[feral river]

this one was true regardless of your status

[wild sapphire]

so now I view your statements through the lens of someone who tutors English

[sharp creek]

what really, i like the crazy guy

[manic juniper]

Yes we all do

[feral river]

awesome I never said my english was perfect, but for convey the meanings I believe that's all enough

[wild sapphire]

no one's english is perfect

[manic juniper]

Only the enemies of serious chat don't like him

[wild sapphire]

not even mine, don't worry

[sharp creek]

yeah !!

[manic juniper]

Those will be dealt with in a swift way

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-lord-of-the-rings-gif-20344416

[wild sapphire]

good movie

[feral river]

go straight militarism

get money then get guns then take lands then get money then get guns and go infinite cycle

[wild sapphire]

lol

the ouroboros of death

[feral river]

that fail everything in peace times

[sharp creek]

who..!! again you should clarify the subject

i cant understand!!!

[wild sapphire]

how are you, sir

[feral river]

that killed himself ?

[sharp creek]

me, im good sir

[manic juniper]

He lost them all to united Italy

[feral river]

history told us you need enough power to hold the power

some general's power even above you

[manic juniper]

He was powerful enough against individual Italian states but not against most of Italy

[feral river]

appreciate every second that Mussolini didn't hand over the military to the pope

[wild sapphire]

likewise

[manic juniper]

He gave him more power tho

Post-fascist Italy has been way tougher on the Pope than Mussolini was

[wild sapphire]

this chat is quite dry sometimes

but fundamentally i understand it

[sharp creek]

i cant follow it....

[wild sapphire]

it reads like dueling wikipedia articles

but i nerd out about star wars in the same way

[sharp creek]

how do they continue the conversation, who are they talking about

[wild sapphire]

they are having fun, so who can blame them

i think, lol- i hope, anyway

[feral river]

to say something fucked

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[feral river]

and start an arugument

[wild sapphire]

you guys don't really have that many arguments

[feral river]

then they fight back by shouting ass

[sharp creek]

i should keep practicing reading

[wild sapphire]

well, it doesn't seem so

just seems like you guys share historical facts and opinions about politics

[feral river]

not now because these are my people

[wild sapphire]

oh lol, i see

[feral river]

there's the clique of Minecraft_652

[wild sapphire]

ahh, the minecraft_652 club

[feral river]

they all my friends ofc we don't start arguments like dropping the pit

[wild sapphire]

i think that's cute

lol

[feral river]

well my english came from street asshs who would expect that lol

anyway just have fun

[wild sapphire]

your english isn't bad

you are able to communicate fairly complex ideas in a reasonably understandable way

[manic juniper]

We still had some in the past, now we know each other's opinions

[sharp creek]

english me is good, me english good is

[feral river]

thanks

[wild sapphire]

i'd say you have made some good progress

ofc

[manic juniper]

Except Zinx, he doesn't express many opinions

[feral river]

yeah quite a lot

[manic juniper]

And Zinx isn't an OG yet but he's achieving apoOGsis

[sharp creek]

i know nothing, im nervous now

[wild sapphire]

this chat needs more zinxs

[manic juniper]

Knowing isn't needed

[manic juniper]

This server*

[wild sapphire]

he is a good chap

[eager geyser]

zinx is drunk

[wild sapphire]

zinx is humble, polite, and eager to learn

anyway this is wholesome

[eager geyser]

u fell in love man

[wild sapphire]

i like this kind of content

[cunning moth]

Please rate these claim sentences about star wars: The force’s believe-in-yourself-nature may arguably be the most appealing aspect towards Star Wars; a Hillbilly farm kid becoming a hero among an oppressive tyranny through believing in himself reflects the viewer’s inner wants.

And yet, George Lucas’s addition of midichlorians placing an almost pure emphasis on the need of genetics undermines the appealing , majestical spirituality of the force: “now anyone can become somebody if they are a one-in-a-quadrillion elite”.

Ultimately, George Lucas’s almost surreal blindness to the true nature of the force—spirituality and belief—reveals his true being as a pulp-fiction director that struck gold.

[sharp creek]

no..........

[wild sapphire]

i love people in general and don't mind calling out virtue where i see it

[cunning moth]

I am quite bad at English, but I hope to improve.

[wild sapphire]

i think those things should be celebrated since there is so little to celebrate

[feral river]

everything and everyone have a cause to exist here

[cunning moth]

While this isn't perfect for an essay, its main purpose was made to make people, to some degree, disagree; these style promotes interest in literature

[feral river]

and I respect that, even my enemy

without the enemy the world would be super bored

[wild sapphire]

i would be fine

[manic juniper]

It's true, to an extent the prequels feel a bit like a completely different team did the entire trilogy

[feral river]

without the enemy what's the point of the guns in my hand

[cunning moth]

I was more or less referencing to the brilliant stravato that my claims aim to captivate.

[sharp creek]

what is that, BUT that girl is cute very very, thats not even in english

[manic juniper]

Collecting idk

[sharp creek]

hahaha

[manic juniper]

She was recorded by a stranger for a Tik Tok video

Without her consent and without her knowing it

[wild sapphire]

i am pretty sure even in new hope, luke's force sensitivity is alluded to being due in part to his father's own force aptitude

i didn't find any issue with the midichlorians

[cunning moth]

Why not?

[wild sapphire]

the spiritual and the material are often instrinsically intertwined in my mind

i think they work together in tandem to affect goals and processes

the idea is native to my own way of thinking as a Christian

so the midichlorians do not detract from the more spiritual components of the Force, to me

to me it just served to emphasize Anakin was something exceptional even amongst the Jedi

[cunning moth]

It creates power behind thte hands of one-in-a-trillion elites, and these sentiments transverse further than the literature itself ever hoped to b

[wild sapphire]

how is this different from the original trilogy

[cunning moth]

Anakin wasn't exceptional, alas he was born lucky.

[wild sapphire]

you see a total of four force users

sorry, five

[cunning moth]

Note how the original triology appears more spiritual, although force uses are painted as hunted thus rare

[wild sapphire]

it's a hero's journey narrative

ofc the hero is going to be exceptional- this narrative has its own intrinsic virtue

just because it is not the message you want it to be doesn't mean it is a bad message

heroes are exceptional- they act when others will not

do you feel this way about super hero movies

[cunning moth]

They could make the hero exceptional in other ways. If you need to add an overpowered mystical power than only elites can access, and place him at the top by far, then you lack bad writing skills

[wild sapphire]

they gave him powers because it is cool

i mean, he is surrounded by every day heroes as well, lando, han, leia, all exceptional individuals

[cunning moth]

Depends on the super hero movies, but they are mostly made for stuff; I disagree on ones which promote the negative idea thereof

[wild sapphire]

anakin is a flawed person anyway

[eager geyser]

but u like zinx more

[cunning moth]

Those are well written characters, but them having the ability to use the force, like everyone else, to some degree after learning would propel the story

[wild sapphire]

you don't know me very well

[eager geyser]

but i know u fell in love with zinx

[wild sapphire]

also, in general, for you to claim that star wars promotes the message you are indicating reveals a lack of media literacy

[cunning moth]

How so?

[wild sapphire]

is that what star wars is saying when anakin is shown to be a deeply flawed person whose inner demons destroy the jedi order, and ruins everything

his exceptional powers do not end up helping him save the galaxy

in the end, it is a selfless act of love for his son that does it

and this in response to Luke's own sacrifice

it is not force powers, or lightsabers, that wins the day here

whatever potential anakin might have possessed is squandered when he falls to his own temptations and demons

[cunning moth]

Just because it has other motifs, doesn't mean it overtakes the flawed ones. Star wars was ameant to be itself a pure entertainment form of literature, and its going about your mentioned actions of him is done poorly if it wasn't for star wars initial hype

[wild sapphire]

the motif you are framing it as, putting all your hope in the hands of elites, isn't in star wars

in the prequels, the elites are the jedi

and they ruin everything due to their hubris and pride

their most elite member, anakin, is blinded by his own arrogance due to his elite nature and destroys everything he loves most including himself

power blinds them all and they set the galaxy on fire due to their failure

in the original trilogy, it is a motley crew of friends that save the galaxy working together

and ultimately it is their love for each other, and luke's love for an irredeemable monster, that redeems vader back to the light, and sets things right

[cunning moth]

My motif was mainly that Star Wars purest form of being itself consisting of the spiritual force was decimated

[wild sapphire]

because of midichlorians?

[cunning moth]

Their love for each other, belief in themself, etc., not aligned with genetics

[wild sapphire]

i think you have this perspective due to last jedi, when its advocates tried to support rian johnson's hackneyed writing as being good for star wars

[wild sapphire]

genetics and spirituality do not have to be separated from each other

i mean, this is not even how

bro, even in the og trilogy, the force is manifested through the bodies of its users

there is a synergy between the flesh and the spirit that is expressed in use of the force

[cunning moth]

Implying that, to which I disagree is a good idea, a such brute sided scale is not needed

[wild sapphire]

not sure what you mean

anyway, go ahead and write your paper lol, i just like talking about star wars

[cunning moth]

The force manifested mainly from their belief, as it appeared from the viewer's persepcttive

[wild sapphire]

i never saw the og trilogy that way at all

and i watched it a million times before the prequels came out

it was never about how much faith you had, luke clearly was exceptional

[formal pilot]

Don't you get tired of spreading reptilian propaganda

[wild sapphire]

i mean, you couldn't just will yourself to have the force

[manic juniper]

I would need

[cunning moth]

It was mostly about faith. Your view on Luke was exceptional likely stems from your belief of success on luck

[wild sapphire]

it never was lol

[cunning moth]

Not luck, but predetermined luck

[wild sapphire]

i mean, yes, there are themes there- but luke's sensitivity to the force is clearly tied to his lineage in the og trilogy

there are already hints to the force's roots in genetic inheritance

the midichlorians only gave a name to what the original trilogy alluded to

[thorny steeple]

In the realm of contemporary discourse, the significance of eloquence and articulate expression cannot be overstated. The ability to convey thoughts with precision and sophistication is a hallmark of intellectual prowess. This essay endeavors to elucidate the paramount importance of cultivating a rich vocabulary and employing complex linguistic structures in both written and spoken communication.

Language serves as the bedrock of human interaction, facilitating the exchange of ideas, emotions, and cultural nuances. A robust vocabulary empowers individuals to articulate their thoughts with clarity and depth, transcending the limitations of simplistic expression. The lexicon one possesses is not merely a collection of words; it is a reflection of one’s cognitive engagement with the world. The more extensive one’s vocabulary, the more adept one becomes at navigating the intricacies of discourse, whether in academic, professional, or social contexts.

Moreover, the utilization of complex vocabulary can significantly enhance the persuasiveness of an argument. In the realm of rhetoric, the strategic deployment of sophisticated terminology can captivate an audience, engendering a sense of authority and credibility. For instance, employing terms such as "ubiquitous" instead of "common" or "ameliorate" in place of "improve" can elevate the discourse, prompting listeners or readers to engage more critically with the content presented. This elevation of language not only enriches the communicative experience but also fosters a deeper intellectual engagement with the subject matter.

[wild sapphire]

this is why obi-wan hides luke and leia- because they are the children of anakin skywalker

[thorny steeple]

Furthermore, the mastery of complex vocabulary is intrinsically linked to the cultivation of critical thinking skills. Engaging with advanced linguistic constructs necessitates a nuanced understanding of context, connotation, and the multifaceted nature of meaning. This cognitive exercise encourages individuals to analyze and synthesize information more effectively, fostering a mindset that values depth over superficiality. In an age characterized by the rapid dissemination of information, the ability to discern and articulate complex ideas is an invaluable asset.

In addition to enhancing personal expression and critical thinking, a sophisticated vocabulary can also serve as a bridge to diverse cultural and intellectual traditions. Language is a vessel of culture, and the words we choose to employ often carry with them the weight of historical and philosophical significance. By embracing a more complex lexicon, individuals can access a broader spectrum of literature, philosophy, and art, enriching their understanding of the human experience. This cultural literacy not only broadens one’s horizons but also fosters empathy and appreciation for the myriad perspectives that exist within the global tapestry of human thought.

However, it is imperative to approach the use of complex vocabulary with discernment. The indiscriminate application of sophisticated terms can lead to obfuscation rather than clarity. Effective communication hinges on the ability to tailor one’s language to the audience and context. Thus, while the pursuit of an expansive vocabulary is commendable, it must be balanced with the principles of clarity and accessibility. The ultimate goal of communication should be to foster understanding, not to alienate or confuse.

[wild sapphire]

yeah, exactly, see, this guy agrees with me

[thorny steeple]

In conclusion, the cultivation of a complex vocabulary is a multifaceted endeavor that enriches personal expression, enhances critical thinking, and fosters cultural literacy. As individuals navigate the complexities of modern discourse, the ability to articulate thoughts with sophistication and precision will remain an invaluable asset. By embracing the nuances of language, we not only elevate our own communicative capabilities but also contribute to a more thoughtful and engaged society. The journey toward linguistic mastery is one that promises both personal and collective enrichment, underscoring the enduring power of words in shaping our world.
Serious information for serious chat

[wild sapphire]

bingo

[cunning moth]

It is how the viewer sees it, not how George sees it

[wild sapphire]

obi-wan tells luke in return that due to their ancestry, luke and leia were hidden

everyone knew that anakin's kids would be prodigiously powerful

that already sets up the idea of the force being passed down through bloodlines

midichlorians were already there in the og trilogy

[cunning moth]

Appeals to the auidience that they're hidden because they were, I don't know, sons of a sith lord

[wild sapphire]

george just gave it a name

[cunning moth]

My original claim was this: The force’s believe-in-yourself-nature may arguably be the most appealing aspect towards Star Wars; a Hillbilly farm kid becoming a hero among an oppressive tyranny through believing in himself reflects the viewer’s inner wants.

And yet, George Lucas’s addition of midichlorians placing an almost pure emphasis on the need of genetics undermines the appealing , majestical spirituality of the force: “now anyone can become somebody if they are a one-in-a-quadrillion elite”.

Ultimately, George Lucas’s almost surreal blindness to the true nature of the force—spirituality and belief—reveals his true being as a pulp-fiction director that struck gold.

It focuses mainly on how star wars changed in the eyes of the viewers for something negative

[wild sapphire]

there is no force believe in yourself nature imo

[cunning moth]

Death star?

[wild sapphire]

there is trust in the force

allow this higher power, this spiritual presence, to guide your actions

[cunning moth]

Their trust n the force is also their trust in themself

[wild sapphire]

not believe in yourself and it will happen

[wild sapphire]

ehhhhhh

[cunning moth]

do or do not, there is no try, etc.

[wild sapphire]

i didn't take luke's failure here to be a lack of confidence in himself

i took it to be that luke failed to see the world through a spiritual lens, focused as he was on the material world in front of him

he didn't realize the true power and reality that the force represents

[cunning moth]

Lack of confidence, etc.

[wild sapphire]

no

yoda is there to highlight the moral of that encounter

luke looks at yoda, and sees a tiny little guy, underestimates him

and then yoda lifts the giant x-wing out of the swamp- luke realizes in this moment that the world is more than the material realm, more than appearances

he was wrong to focus on the size of the ship, on the size of yoda- the force is greater than all of this

not luke himself

[cunning moth]

Our claims can both be taken out of the movie, but I am writing it from the view of how most people will see it. You're viewing it through the lens of a religious person

[wild sapphire]

i don't exactly see how your claim can be taken

i have talked to a lot of star wars nerds in my time

and i don't know anyone who saw star wars and felt it contained themes of the need for self-confidence

and i have heard george talk a lot about star wars

and i have never heard him say this either

[cunning moth]

There is a difference between star wars nerds and the general populace.

[wild sapphire]

i guessss

but let me give you my blessing

star wars, like most things, allows audiences to read it the way they want

so take your perspective and run with it

it should be an entertaining read anyway

[cunning moth]

I'll read these soon, uwu

[thorny steeple]

ok

[wild sapphire]

did you write this?

[thorny steeple]

no

[wild sapphire]

you wanted to share?

[thorny steeple]

yes i wanted to share

and shared

[wild sapphire]

you certainly did lol

[thorny steeple]

its not mine

[slender coral]

Although none of his works have survived, his opinions had been preserved through his critics and the surviving books that answered him.

Ibn al-Rawandi is considered an early example of what modern scholarship terms individual atheism or isolated intellectual dissent. Despite his polemical and critical approach, his thought did not give rise to a distinct school or following. Van Ess further noted that Ibn al-Rawandi "remained on the margins of Islamic theological discourse, and his ideas left no significant legacy."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Rawandi

I can't express how much I dislike this religion.

[gusty apex]

mutazilism

[thorny steeple]

imagine being anime islam enjoyer

[slender coral]

Some reports considered him an atheist

[gusty apex]

what reports

You're just copy-pasting online wikipedia

[slender coral]

His books of course, weren't preserved.

[eager geyser]

whats so serious

[slender coral]

Well, prove it wrong then.

[gusty apex]

I'm just saying, You are just reading what independent editors from around the world wrote about him here. Most things related to islam dont have proper references in wikipedia at all

gtg

[thorny steeple]

islam is the most peaceful religion
ninty percent of the terrorist organisations:

[wild sapphire]

does anyone claim islam is the most peaceful religion

oh it's my boy

[low swallow]

wassup G

[wild sapphire]

john fallout

[eager geyser]

no

[wild sapphire]

i was hoping to see you again because i am still waiting to find a reason to get you banned

[eager geyser]

islam will kill ur brain

[low swallow]

Likewise sweetheart

[wild sapphire]

lol

[low swallow]

except i dont wanna get u banned, i just wanna chat

[wild sapphire]

about what, mr. fallout

[low swallow]

life

[wild sapphire]

we are talking about islam

not many fans

[thorny steeple]

yes

[low swallow]

oooo okay thats fun

[wild sapphire]

lol who

[thorny steeple]

Muslims claim it

[low swallow]

they are biased

[thorny steeple]

no they arent

[wild sapphire]

are you muslim, blade?

[thorny steeple]

yes

[wild sapphire]

so you believe it is the most peaceful religion

[low swallow]

yes they are, theyre also wrong i can tell ya, anyone who claims islam is a peaceful religion is in denial

[thorny steeple]

it is a religion of righteousness, which brings peace and justice!

[wild sapphire]

i see lol

[low swallow]

whatever you need to tell yourself sweetie

[slender coral]

Lmao

[thorny steeple]

if I lie then catch me

[thorny steeple]

who tf even said that it is the most peaceful

[low swallow]

what how can i catch you idk where u live

[wild sapphire]

blade

[thorny steeple]

while on the contrary

[low swallow]

muslims, but they are biased

[wild sapphire]

blade doesn't attempt to argue that it is the most peaceful, present tense

his argument is that islam contains the most potential for bringing his idea of peace

[thorny steeple]

they are based

[wild sapphire]

are you muslim?

[thorny steeple]

in afgan they literally only study quaran in schools

[thorny steeple]

atheist

[wild sapphire]

guys, islam does not exactly have a great track record when it comes to peace these days

[slender coral]

Some moderate Muslims Ig.

[thorny steeple]

Muslim are following their desires, not Islam!

[wild sapphire]

ah i see

[low swallow]

Its not a religion i look up to. Literally says in the quran that the prophet muhammed married a 6 year old and had intercourse at 9. This isnt a joke by the way, search it up if you like.

[slender coral]

I believe the desire to oppress and kill others is very Islamic.

[wild sapphire]

i know

it exasperates me

[thorny steeple]

it is not Islamic, it is out of Islam

[thorny steeple]

in saudi arabia very likely you will be executed as non muslim

basically the same as mauritania but rich

[low swallow]

yeah cause muslims are extremists

[wild sapphire]

anyone can be extremist given the right pressures

[thorny steeple]

tolerated terrorists

[slender coral]

Take the apostasy death penalty for example. The Hadith that commanded it is very clear, Mohamed said "kill whoever changes his faith".

[wild sapphire]

okay

[thorny steeple]

OOFN is sleeping

[thorny steeple]

it is claim, i can show you strong proof where the age is 21, 18 and other, so you dont lie and pick and choose, if you do that then you are defaming whole Muslims nation and a religion,

[wild sapphire]

i can't get on board with this because the expression of islam through individuals varies wildly

[low swallow]

yeah how can people follow such religion, its truly horrible how people justify that stuff

[wild sapphire]

blade for example, is disavowing the violence other muslims commit

i think the ideas of islam can be safely criticized because they are written down and unchanging, at least as pertains to the quran, although the hadiths are a different matter

[low swallow]

no what i said is true, dont you come here and try to lie

[wild sapphire]

and sure even criticize the hadiths

[thorny steeple]

in Hanafi Juridispiction there is not things like that, Are you forced to be Muslim, punishment of Blasphemy is death!!!!

[wild sapphire]

huh

[thorny steeple]

If I prove you wrong, then dont come here and assert lies, and acept you picked and choose

[low swallow]

Prove to me that islam isnt a extremist religion, prove that you guys are not the scum of the earth. Be my guest.

[wild sapphire]

john

there is a separation between the ideas and the adherents

[verbal abyss]

So what county express Islam the most

[wild sapphire]

you are calling him scum of the earth but is blade guilty of doing the things you are accusing him of

or is he just guilty of carrying the name muslim around