🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

Density in general is low in some of them even with the highest birth rates, such as Moldova

[cobalt oriole]

same comparation between russia and bangladesh

[valid plover]

Lol 😂

Real

[thorny steeple]

Maulana Fazlur Rehman said that “we did not even understand the anti-Israel ideology of Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, which is a disloyalty to the Pakistan ideology”.

“Surprisingly, there is not a state named Israel nor its location is defined, and here we are taking about recognising it,” Referring to the 1967 UN resolutions, he said that these are yet to be implemented. The UN actually justifies Israel’s defence as the Muslim World is reluctant. “Israel occupied the Golan heights. There was bipolar power balance before the Soviet Union’s invasion to Afghanistan and as a result the power balance was disturbed,” he remarked.

Fazl said Al-Aqsa mosque belongs to the whole Muslim world and “we are also ready to die for the protection of Holy places in Saudi Arabia”.

[manic juniper]

They were depopulated after continuous wars

From the Middle Ages to WW2

[valid plover]

I see

[valid plover]

What's Ur option on Israeli children

[true lark]

Hii, what's the current topic of discussion

[cobalt oriole]

sounds very violent and primitive

[valid plover]

Probably some Israeli stuff

[thorny steeple]

they are zionist then I dont have any views, if they are real jews they are cherry

[thorny steeple]

. Terrorist attacks have also begun rising. Therefore, Israel, already on a high after the Abraham Accords, might see this as an opportunity to aid or pressurize Pakistan to recognize Israel, sell their nuclear weapons, or both.
The murmurings of such Machiavellian machinations have been ongoing in the country’s power corridors as well as on social media for a while. In fact, when the relatively stable government of Imran Khan was governing, there were internal and exogenous pressures on him to recognize Israel. Now that a vapid and corrupt government marred with greater economic and political schisms has replaced his, those same burdens stand buttressed.

[valid plover]

I see

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/montenegro-mne-cg-crnagora-crna-gora-gif-3193872984806906852

[valid plover]

🤣

[cobalt oriole]

about what's going on in montenegro

[true lark]

I cant even place it on a map, I have heard the name but honestly don't know much more about the place beyond that, don't even know what continent😭

[valid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/milo-djukanovic-president-of-montenegro-waiting-standing-up-gif-16341628

[true lark]

Geography was my worst class

[manic juniper]

Bro it's in Europe

[valid plover]

it's easy and fun

[true lark]

You learn something every day

[valid plover]

But not that useful tbh 💀

[true lark]

I'm bad at remembering things like that

[valid plover]

But you gotta train Urself

[true lark]

You don't even know half how hard I worked only to get a 3 on the test

3/10

[void arch]

that what was being responded during 67 period, i think there position never changed ..but today all Arab countries and most Muslim states recognize isreal right to exist within the frame of 67 border with east Quds as capital of Palestine . that what they demand ,as they suppose prioritizing peace over driving isreal out of ME.

[valid plover]

Oof

[true lark]

I studied 45 minutes a day for 3 weeks and got a 3, that's the point when I gave up

My brain just doesn't work in a way that makes it able to remember things just by cramming it

[valid plover]

I got 45/100 in math buddy 🤣

How's Ur math

[void arch]

If u want to respond to isreal u most start with their adopters mainly US, thats why my country and ur country cant deliver a piece of military equipment to palestine without facin Global alliance of isreal

[true lark]

I'll remember the country if you tell me some interesting facts about it, not if I am forced to learn its geolocation and capital city

[true lark]

Oh good

[valid plover]

I see

[valid plover]

Like hows the grade

[true lark]

Yeah it was alright, hell if I remember the exact grade

[valid plover]

Oh okay

[valid plover]

I think you probably easily left something and you couldn't remember right?

[true lark]

I mean maths yeah, that wasn't too hard, it fits with how my brain works so it wasn't too hard to learn, besides ge what's the word, like shapes and stuff, that kind of math was hard

[valid plover]

Agree

[true lark]

Algebraic math though is what I'm good at

[thorny steeple]

ofc govt foreign affairs

[true lark]

I did maths D and.. I think B? Though so not too much of that there

[void arch]

so it agrees with two state solution

with 67 borders

[thorny steeple]

until palestitnians dont consider it

if no two state then no recognition with Israel

[void arch]

that's exactly what Morocco, UAE and egypt stated when normalizing with them

[sonic ferry]

Yo. Can anybody show me the way my profile looks in the active now section on your screen?

[sonic ferry]

Uh-huh

Noted

[unkempt copper]

omg

Serious chat

[dusty thorn]

yea so much lol

[thorny steeple]

we arent doing anything

no deleagates

[near blaze]

What's an active now section

[thorny steeple]

how serious are we today

[shy summit]

Trump was shut down today in court.

[thorny steeple]

i thought that he passed away yesterday

ummmm trump he is 78 years old now

[shy summit]

Wtf do you mean? Why would you think that?

[thorny steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_and_health_concerns_about_Donald_Trump

💀 this article

[tulip zenith]

about to die

lol

it seems to be genetic

[thorny steeple]

that dude who wrote this article which is insane

[tulip zenith]

fr

there was another page linked to the main https://theconversation.com/how-being-shot-might-affect-donald-trumps-mental-health-and-that-of-millions-of-others-234709

even knowing all the mental illness he has, he won lmao

[livid charm]

[thorny steeple]

this page just shows all negative things about trump

[tulip zenith]

indeed

but it's the main purpose

[thorny steeple]

in the social media many people say he doesn't have a healthy life, or have a secret illness or after the attempeted asssassination he got mental illness or something like that, like he will pass away soon or something like that

[nimble nova]

What is true freedom ? Don't u think it's slavery to work 9-5 and only get 80-100 grand in ayr in which u can't even buy home for ur future family

[tulip zenith]

yeah, it's probably, pitifully (or not, no one knows) he'll die soon at cause of his bad habits and also the hereditary problems, he isn't doing anything for save himself (from my point of view)

[thorny steeple]

Personally I support trump , i can tell that he really wanna make America great again

[tulip zenith]

is it deprement? yh it is, Why is it possible that a person who has do bad mental state can government and the whole state, even if you say that the ppl who surround him are healthy in mind it would be another thing, but it's not the case

[lime cobalt]

Is there a limit to wealth at which a person no longer pursues more? Perhaps that is the point where one desires to leave a legacy by helping others and their country.

i think that is Trump doing now, I have a good impression of Trump.

I know that sometimes good intentions are not always accepted.

[sharp creek]

i think so ,but i doubt whether he can totally achieve his political target,entirely like a certain asia contry

the previous president might know that as well as trump ,they simply recognized that would not work

eventually the outcome will indicate who is the better one

[shy summit]

What about?

He’s crashing the economy, breaking the law, undermining American jobs, trying to fire people illegally

Tf kinda good has he done in your eyes beyond speaking out against minorities

[sharp creek]

are you a americans or not...

maybe you just got the info online, but you don't know what is actually happening there

or you are a part of refugees who he wants to expel

[shy summit]

I’m American, born and raised.

Dude is doing nothing but screaming at minorities and poor people

[lime cobalt]

The slogan MAGA stands for “Make America Great Again.”

Its meaning is that the USA has experienced a decline, and Trump wants to fix that. There may be sacrifices made for the sake of a long-term vision.

[sharp creek]

he tells people that he has always been targeting non us citizens for protecting the us citizens

[shy summit]

Yeah bullshit

[sharp creek]

hahah really

[shy summit]

He’s accosting people regardless of immigration status

[sharp creek]

He said he created a lot of jobs and low domestic taxes

If the people complete their immigration, they have already become a part of American citizens who should not be accosted . Maybe the policy focuses on people who aim to immigrate and have not finished the process yet, especially those who are poor.

Just my personal guess... I don’t really know what happened there.

[near blaze]

I stole your pfp

[sharp creek]

what is pfp..

[near blaze]

Profile picture

[shy summit]

Taxes are going up

He’s not done anything to create any jobs

Literally not a one

[shy summit]

Besides you can’t kick someone out arbitrarily

He’s making a big media show of it for campaign reasons, judges have blocked him because everything he’s tried to do is explicitly illegal

[sharp creek]

yeah i do think its too cruel

[sharp creek]

lol

[near blaze]

I'll be using that next

👍

[sharp creek]

thats fine

[lime cobalt]

dude u didnt learn from canada, he opened migration widely, and see what happen property sky rocketing

[sharp creek]

the president of the uk said "stay close to the us and save another country from barbarism" i dont know if he was kidding

the us used most with bombs and waged the most wars

[sharp creek]

This sentence is my rephrasing, with no intention to slander or defame

[feral river]

looks you understand well about his version of american supremacy

[sharp creek]

i consider the officials of a nation are wealthy enough why they still want to waged a war to earn money

[feral river]

and what's wrong with you to that

are you an immigrant ?

or a minority ?

I don't think so

or you speak for these people for your interest, that one makes so much sense

[sharp creek]

a part of americans is just kind. its not about their s identification

[feral river]

that's why I said there were multiple versions

and Trump's version was like everyone's in it then it was measured in between the difference of race, nationality, political allegiance etc.

he dislikes minority I think that's mainly because of his politicial stance does not allow him to treat minorities well

and tbh most minorities vote against him

[shy summit]

Because, and I’ll say it again

He’s a racist

He first got popular for denying black people leases

[feral river]

american supremacy is a racist ideology

[shy summit]

No shit

Welcome to 2025

[feral river]

Look what Xi have done, you know what he will do

[shy summit]

See the difference is

I live in a tier one democracy with checks and balances

I have less reason to worry that we’re gonna do mass genocide like china does

[feral river]

That still offend most Chinese I believe, but we both live in a prosperous society, and under Xi’s administration China really becomes the second most powerful country on earth

[feral river]

Send Venezuelan immigrants to concentration camps in central america ?

According to the report they were lacking of legal process, and using torture, force labor and other cruel measures to the prisoners

[shy summit]

Uh- maybe?- if not second its a close third you still have to compete with a few others

[shy summit]

Yeah they were ordered to undo all that shit

It was illegal

[feral river]

What’s the second if we are not, Russia ?

I don’t think you can pick a country that is capable to compare with us in comprehensive strength based on political, military and economy

[feral river]

If I remember, they are in the place before you ordered to undo that shit

[shy summit]

Saudi?

Europe?

Russia, Japan

[feral river]

You can’t be serious

[shy summit]

Most tier one democracies

Nah I’m only half fucking with you

Relax

[feral river]

In what comprehensive strength index you use to evaluate China after Saudis and Japan

Ah ok

Btw my mind is changing about him after he did such thing to me

Pull out my money out of my pocket, you lose my loyality

That’s my rule I think

If he can make me earn double the money, I would support him whatever he do

But the truth is he can’t, now

Xi assumed office since 2012, look today’s China

That’s why I believe Trump will do such thing to the US

[thorny steeple]

It is very rude to say such offensive words on an English learning server. I don't want English learning server to become a server for mutual attacks.

[lusty zenith]

Better get used to it

[thorny steeple]

Real

[main bison]

Cool pfp

[thorny steeple]

Erm
Spend some more days here

You'll get used to it

[main bison]

Minor boy hiiii

[thorny steeple]

😭helloo

[main bison]

Oh ur a girl

[thorny steeple]

I am

[sharp creek]

where does that come from

[main bison]

How do u feel about being a minor

[thorny steeple]

Come to general

[sharp creek]

who are the object

[main bison]

[sharp creek]

ive heard that many people have recently lost their jobs in your country is that true

[sharp creek]

maybe you should tell us the difference. im curious about your country

[ashen mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[thorny steeple]

Nooo it’s a myth

[faint bluff]

@fringe quarry

ye mr CIA I've pinned the person for you, you may take him down.

[fringe quarry]

summarize in 20 words or less

[lusty zenith]

_ _

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/RbjehP5uBQU?si=KICx4OiXeFjF-x4E

I love this song

Look at that how People are joy and happy in the video

[wind laurel]

Hi everyone, Who wants to be friends

[signal dune]

I want

[thorny steeple]

The existence of the North Korean regime is a joke to humanity

[thorny steeple]

?????

The song is old

It was probably released around 2020

[thorny steeple]

free housing, feee healthcare,free education, i would not think that people would complain about that , actually kim jong un he has put a lot of efforts to improve the country's economy and living standards

i have watched those videos, people are joy and happy i can not tell those are all fake

[thorny steeple]

It is a propaganda

[thorny steeple]

propaganda only for washing citizens brain, if you think that kim dynasty is really awful,why like his official and staffs, there is no one that attempts to assassinate kim jong un?

[manic juniper]

You can have the same package and freedom of speech and expression in Nordic countries

[prisma garden]

Freedom is delusion

[urban summit]

That is probably because Kim is smart and keeps everyone in check. Even if someone tried to assassinated him, we wouldn't know because he will not tell anyone.

[shy summit]

You can’t make this shit up

Same dude by the looks of things

“The party of protecting women an children.”

[whole beacon]

Cain would love to see this

[true lark]

New colour?

[shy summit]

Yeah also Trump invited another court confirmed rapist into the whitehouse. Again

Second* time this month

[whole beacon]

Yep
Bit of change

[whole beacon]

Trump ceases to surprise me ngl.

[grave shoal]

have you ever seen a normal person in that office 🤣

[shy summit]

Obama? Or I guess he’s too lit

[thorny steeple]

Are you sure? How?

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-smile-gif-9761218772211147420

[lethal sparrow]

https://qz.com/trump-recession-trade-war-immigration-doge-1851770997

[manic juniper]

Me after moving all religious books to the "fictional narrative" section in the library

[verbal torrent]

hahshahahahah

[mortal depot]

Jesus ain't fiction 😎

Calm down lil bro

[prisma cipher]

Chill out

[manic juniper]

True, Spider-Man isn't either

[mortal depot]

Bruv comparing a historical figure to spiderman

Immature af

[shy summit]

Sure he lives next to me and helps me maintain my car because my dad is a computer nerd and not an engine jockey

[manic juniper]

??? Spider-Man is just as real

[mortal depot]

No he literally isn't

[manic juniper]

Search "Spider-Man cosplay" thank me later

[prisma cipher]

He might be real why not

[manic juniper]

Humans are in Star Wars, by that logic humans aren't real

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/gSzAnNU4u28?si=sD_PyIcz2jzGaelq this is a banger as meme even though I don't know Russian privyet

[prisma cipher]

You are stubborn about that video

[prisma cipher]

Eng sub is bullshiet

[verbal abyss]

so happy understand every word

[prisma cipher]

Song is about airborne troops. the subtitles have nothing to do with the song, it looks like a Ukrainian wrote the subtitles.

[prisma cipher]

You understand every word and don't notice song say one thing, sub say different?

[verbal abyss]

i didn't read subs

just after you said

[prisma cipher]

Check sub

[verbal abyss]

uhm wtf

[prisma cipher]

Yea

[livid charm]

[dapper laurel]

@thorny steeple I'm at a Brazilian restaurant and they gave us a beer called "Brahma". Have you ever tried it?

[thorny steeple]

Yes I did. What else did you try there?

There's a German family which is friends with mine. They are from Badden Wurtemberg. They drink hot beer... which is weird for us

[dapper laurel]

Well, there will have to be some strange things coming, like Brazilian potatoes and meat

[thorny steeple]

Did you try rice and beans? It's the most basic staple for us

[dapper laurel]

In winter it's something my grandfather does, but for me beer should always be drunk cold

[dapper laurel]

We are waiting for the food to arrive, we will see if something like this will arrive

Anyway that beer is like fresh water

[thorny steeple]

Send me a picture when it arrives

[thorny steeple]

European beer brands are very famous here. Heineken, Spaten...

When Hitler and Nazis in general founded Volkswagen, they projected some cheap cars to be owned by the German. Later they changed the company's goal for producing war materials.

And these cheap cars became very popular in brazil when the company switched its interests once again. This is the Fusca, quite popular in Brazil... at least it was.

[thorny steeple]

Indeed I'm bro had to get it to you no matter what y'know

[thorny steeple]

Lmao that's something lol

[prisma cipher]

IMO it just stupid. Classic Ukrainian behavior, make Russian song and try joke about it. Joke is lame IMO. But if you like, enjoy

@thorny steeple wanna joking about those dudes,who wear blue berets. Bad idea. https://youtube.com/shorts/o3pRhM0Tgwg?si=rb93NLVI2UDgefqw

Worse only dudes with red berets

https://youtu.be/DSlKHOvz6nk?si=6g4Ig1ZKmTmD6NsG i this is a test, an obstacle course to get a red beret, not all among the best can pass it.

If you see dude in blue or red beret, you dead if you try fight him

[bleak nacelle]

Как получить красный берет?

[prisma cipher]

Он называется краповый берет. you have to go through a series of tests, they are on video

[bleak nacelle]

Хорошо. Я попробую получить краповый берет. Надеюсь у меня получится, пожелай мне удачи в бою.

[prisma cipher]

If you try to run, try to run 75 km in full equipment with weapon. And than you have to change.

[bleak nacelle]

How long does it normally take

[prisma cipher]

It's only part of that they also you have to shoot very good and fight, while you tired as f

I don't know exactly

[prisma cipher]

I don't know

But before that you have to get through a bunch of tests

[bleak nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/northface_2-gif-27465435

[thorny steeple]

Damn how many are there in mother Russia lol

[prisma cipher]

Wiki say it 10000

For all time since 1993

I saw dudes who wear those

But not often

[shy summit]

Its basically the diet version of Navy Seal training for any familiar with the process.

Its basically the physical endurance testing part tho

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/navy-seals-2-gif-313074978532122170

But they are cool. But it different, you can compare them with Special Forces Alpha from Russia it will be more correct

[versed rain]

bro why did u changed ur nickname as that?

[verbal torrent]

Here we go

[versed rain]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHY_mXQiOki/

People are protesting the decision of arrest of has been seen as terrorism and corruption linked main opposition party's Istanbul mayor Ekrem Imamoglu in Turkiye.

halkinmedyasi

Saraçhane’de inanılmaz bir kalabalık! Böyle bir yoğunluk görülmemiş olabilir! #ekremimamoğlu @ekremimamoglu #saraçhane #ibb #istanbul

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[shy summit]

Turkey kinda popping off rn ngl

[versed rain]

what kind of?

[shy summit]

They are in the middle of a coup

[versed rain]

The people say this is a blow to democracy.

[shy summit]

It is

Not that Turkey was ever a tier 1 democracy

But still

[versed rain]

That's not exactly the case. 2 people working as managers in Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality fled abroad.

when they heard that there was an investigation.

[shy summit]

Its essentially an attempt at jailing political opposition that is a threat to democratic process

[versed rain]

Yes, this is a terrible thing, but the justice minister says that this is not political, and that Ekrem Imamoglu was detained on suspicion that the judiciary is independently suspected of links to terrorism.

[versed rain]

The only reason is Erdogan. If it weren't for Erdogan, Turkey would be in the EU criteria right now.

[shy summit]

TROO

[versed rain]

@shy summit
Turkey is now on good terms with the Kurdish opposition, and even jailed former PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan has expressed his support for Turkey and ordered a halt to terrorist acts against Turkey. Kurds are also holding rallies in Istanbul to celebrate. The Istanbul governor's office imposed a ban on protests for 4 days due to Imamoglu's arrest, but announced that these Kurdish rallies would be excluded. Still, the people do not listen and protest against the detention of Imamoglu.

[prisma cipher]

Doubt that

[versed rain]

In fact, since Syria is almost under Turkish influence, the YPG militarist Kurdish group decided to join forces with Syria because of Turkey's support for these liberation steps in Syria beneficial for Turkey.

[versed rain]

no doubt. Erdogan is only a military-first leader.

[prisma cipher]

I mean you might get EU criteria, but not getting EU

[versed rain]

Without Erdogan, Turkey might not have such military power, but it would have a very high level of diplomacy.

[versed rain]

%50 %50

[prisma cipher]

Or you fr think they waiting for you to get in Euro family

[versed rain]

i dont think they are waiting for us

[prisma cipher]

And only thing you don't fit

[versed rain]

?

Turkey is a 1st degree partner of the EU.

[prisma cipher]

The EU is a carrot in front of a donkey. The donkey follows the carrot.

[versed rain]

The events in Turkey are Turkey's internal affair.

[versed rain]

It is unlikely that Turkey will enter the EU at the moment. Its economy, justice and corruption are in trouble.

UK is not in EU too.

They think it is not beneficial for them

But it is good for mid-level countries.

[prisma cipher]

look at lithuania, they are in the eu, but i dont want to live like in lithuania

[versed rain]

For example, Balkan countries are not open to development.

Greece owes billions of dollars to Germany.

They are already poor.

The Greeks say that only the Germans control the job market.

Turkey is not an enemy with any country except Middle Eastern countries, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[prisma cipher]

Who say, turk propaganda.

[versed rain]

bro you are russian.

[prisma cipher]

I mean push down Erdogan you get EU. Carrot and donkey

[versed rain]

wth?

[prisma cipher]

You need to make action, you got reward

[versed rain]

Erdogan is the leader of nothing but a military leader.

For example, in our country, there are politicians who have studied in Europe, but the people chose Erdogan from a spiritual and military point of view.

[prisma cipher]

I don't know anything about Erdogan, but he is an independent leader. You want to lose independence with unclear prospects for joining the EU, and it is unclear why joining should make the country richer, do it. Looks like smart move

[versed rain]

Turkey is a flower on the border of the Middle East. It is not possible for the people to elect the kind of leader in carefree countries such as Finland and Norway.

The Turkish people want a strong Turkey because Turkey borders dangerous countries.

In high-stress areas, elections move from social democrats to right-wing democrats.

For example, the far right is on the rise in Europe because they are uncomfortable with the situation in the country. Now they want strong countries that are prone to world war.

[versed rain]

The Turkish people mostly want visa liberalization.

[prisma cipher]

Why

Visa things are stupid, but who cares

[versed rain]

But it is not possible because Erdogan is hosting nearly 5 million Syrian, Afghan, Iranian and Iraqi refugees.

[prisma cipher]

Not so important, at least not number one problem

[versed rain]

The euro is expensive in Turkey.

Visa fees cost a lot.

Turkish people are also traveling around Europe.

[prisma cipher]

He probably getting money from EU for not getting it through to EU, but it is shadow diplomacy

[versed rain]

yeah

The EU is paying money to Turkey.

to keep refuuges

[prisma cipher]

Like EU never say we don't take refugees out loud.

[versed rain]

Have you ever met an Afghan?

[prisma cipher]

Afghan people, no

[versed rain]

so i suggest you dont meet

[prisma cipher]

At least I don't know if it was Afghan, but I think we don't have a lot of them here

[prisma cipher]

Are they suggested like war refugees?

[versed rain]

None of them fit into Turkish culture in the slightest.

yes they seems

There are too many of them in Istanbul

[prisma cipher]

Yes it big problem, cultural thing. Also those easier getting into influence of terrorists

[versed rain]

The birth rate of the Turks is 1.3 and theirs is 5-6.

[versed rain]

They really don't know democracy, state, order.

[prisma cipher]

Like most of terrorist here in Russia are migrants, I think it the same everywhere

[shy summit]

Most of the alleged terrorists

[prisma cipher]

Refugees are different, but still

[shy summit]

You get called a terrorist in russia just for protesting peacefully so that’s not a high bar

[versed rain]

There are attacks on democracy in Turkey from time to time, but the people react to this. The Turkish people are republicans. They are really harming the state.

[prisma cipher]

Don't be more stupid than you are. You won't stop to surprise me

[versed rain]

yes. What we define as terrorists is a very different level.

[shy summit]

Every state defines terrorism arbitrarily, particularly when they don’t sign the same international treaties as everyone else

[versed rain]

The Middle East is a dumping ground of ignorance. Turkey is really at a very high level next to them. Their relations with the EU are purely diplomatic. If you really wanted to, Turkey could have a very high level of democracy.

[shy summit]

This idea that I’m ‘stupid’ for merely pointing out well-known suppression strategies used by Russia is a testament to how easily these strategies are adopted by populations.

[prisma cipher]

this is complete nonsense

[shy summit]

It’s well-documented. Cry about it to someone who isn’t on a VPN

[versed rain]

That is, there is the will of the people. The people can protest whenever they want. In Turkey, the issue that Ronaldo should not have been sentenced to 33 lashes for touching a woman in Iran was on the agenda. Everyone in Turkey made fun of Iran on this issue. Turkey is not a religious country, it is a secular country. Over the course of its 100-year history, it has spent 80 years under extreme secular rule. Only the conservative Erdogan ruled for 20 years.

I have to leave.

Good night

[shy summit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Russia

[prisma cipher]

you watched some video, have you checked the information in this video? most likely not, congratulations, you are an idiot.

[shy summit]

Just gonna drop this here. You don’t have to read it.

[verbal torrent]

Chill amk

[shy summit]

I’m well educated in the issue of political science and the current strategies of world powers.

You don’t need to hurl insults because you don’t like the analysis of someone who understands the situation.

The utilization of terror charges in places like China, Russia, and yes- the United States are a common form of speech suppression.

[prisma cipher]

I understand that the information I have, for example about Erdogan and Turkey, may be distorted, so I make reservations and assume that I may be wrong, and you don’t know a damn thing about Russia. You watched a documentary abot Russia and are arguing with me. Who are you if not stupid.

[shy summit]

You claim I know nothing.

[prisma cipher]

And you stated stupid thing at the beginning some peaceful protests getting like terrorist. And you 100 sure you right.

[shy summit]

Its a common strategy in tier 1 & 2 states

[prisma cipher]

You don't understand what kind of country Russia is, what can and cannot happen here, it's obvious

I don't say Russia good or bad,

Not talking about it

It like the same if I start telling Russian propaganda say that all Americans are crazy, they want to make their kids trans or something, it's stupid Russian propaganda, but just the same like you just told me.

[shy summit]

This isn’t even propaganda its a fact that these states use this strategy

[rich wyvern]

I have to be more serious.

[prisma cipher]

Have you checked these facts?

you watched and believed, because it looks like truth for you

[thorny steeple]

Good evening

[prisma cipher]

develop critical thinking, everyone around you wants to deceive you, everyone manipulates your mind. No one wants just telling you truth.

[verbal torrent]

🫸🇰🇵

[shy summit]

Yes I keep up to date on these things regardless of the country. All tier 1-2 democracies use terrorism as an excuse to limit speech practices

And in all of them its been applied to persons peacefully protesting

It encompasses China, The US, Russia, most all of Europe.

[prisma cipher]

If you had checked anything, you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense here

It just fact.

[verbal torrent]

.

[prisma cipher]

In our country we have a term "foreign agent". this thing can limit people, who want to say negative things about the government. But this one is not a terrorist. And what you are talking about is complete nonsense. We have mechanisms to eliminate such people and this is not calling them terrorists. And those people who shout that they were called terrorists, but they are not guilty of anything, the government just does not like them, I would advise paying attention to these people.

but for example I remember the recent news about Nevzorov. He was called a terrorist along with his wife.

if you don't know anything about him, i could make a video where i show that he is just a journalist who used to make a news program on tv, and then he became an oppositionist and was called a terrorist

but in order to obtain this status, he made a very long journey of 10 years and all this time he criticized the government, but over time the criticism became more and more strange and crossed the line of what is acceptable.

I wasn't subscribed to him.
But I was in publics where this person's statements were sometimes quoted on various occasions. And they were beyond the bounds of what was acceptable.

And I know a lot about him, about his program his documentary about horses, about everything

[thorny steeple]

You're the only one who claims to be edutcated on fields here. Instead of this, why don't you show how much educated you are.

[shy summit]

I’m not posting my credentials online if that’s what you’re asking for?

[livid charm]

[manic juniper]

What is bad about Chile

[red yacht]

👀

[uneven citrus]

somos el mejor país de chile

[thorny steeple]

Nice

[thorny steeple]

Nothing much, but everyone in Latam call us monkey

I was just choosing randomly

[thorny steeple]

That's something lol, why so?

[thorny steeple]

Racism isn't taken seriously in here. Plus we are the most African country outside Africa

[thorny steeple]

Yeah and vosotros too eh

I'm not the kind of guy who would get offended by such insults, they called me monkey and n word and I didn'r care much. But I won't feel any sort of sympathy towards those who live in shitholes and feel comfortable about disrespecting my country

[thorny steeple]

Fr who do they think they y'know

[red yacht]

SOMOS EL MEJOR PAÍS DE CHILE HERMANO

[thorny steeple]

Que viva Chile!

[elfin nest]

interesting

some from chile

Yo como mexicano: Augosto Pinochet

[feral river]

it's part of the game which is unnecessary to follow the same pattern of rules that only works out for the goal of respecting the freedom of speech and maintain the stability for certain countries

you can't enforce those rules and they won't be enforced based on international guidelines

and law/rule without enforcement is toilet paper, for minor states and some regional powers their only relief is to follow those rules for their own safety and stability based on superpower's guarantees which is the prestige

[sharp creek]

sir why you ignored my question . did that offend you

Tell me something in your country now that contrasts with the past

[feral river]

for our superpowers, we have and we can have millions of excuses to enforce anything on them if we want and we do that, and about your concerns about personal freedom, freedom of speech, repressions, I would say it is the only way to eliminate terrorism by violently supress them

and by the way, even if it contradict to the consititutional rights, can you guarantee that just because it's in the consititution so this will not be enforced ? the truth is, they can.

and they kind of do by ignoring the consitution, see what Trump administration have done so much illegal thing without noticing and just by his executive power

@shy summit feed bad for your democracy in the future

[sharp creek]

nale also ignored me

fk

[ashen mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193574320765669406/1351985320161312798/image0.gif

[grave shoal]

it always open my eyes reading all of this

[thorny steeple]

Welcome to serious chat

[sharp creek]

they look down on people from underprivileged regions

they ignored me with silence treatment

[grave shoal]

welcome to life

[sharp creek]

haha

[sharp creek]

sir pls talk to me

[thorny steeple]

Fr bro you're still having the CCP shouldn't it fall from power already

[sharp creek]

How dare you talk to the world's second most powerful entity like that

[thorny steeple]

Indeed how're you Zinx

[sharp creek]

seriouly im good

[thorny steeple]

Nice

[sharp creek]

just kidding forgive me

[feral river]

I never leverage on one side, that's deadly and stupid

[thorny steeple]

Fr bro how's life in china

[feral river]

as always lol

[thorny steeple]

Lololol how's gaming going

[sharp creek]

but you said its much better than it was before ten years ago. would you be able to share some examples to help illustrate this

we dont know exactly how life is going there

or perhaps what you said was simply a lie

[feral river]

ahh yeah for most people yes 10 years ago there was rampant corruption, social instability, few gangs in some area and the poverty and homeless issue

now we almost totally get rid of that shit

for me I was live in a middle class family I enjoy my middle class life all the time

I can feel the sense of increasing purchasing power

[thorny steeple]

Have you been to the Taklamakan desert?

[feral river]

the place for nuclear test

[thorny steeple]

Nice lol

[prisma escarp]

Who can be my friend

[sharp creek]

those things cant be measured by normal people particularly by people from other countries. on the contrary the statistical data online indicates that average salaries, healthy care, passport recognition, peoples happiness are all poor .furthermore ive heard that you guys cant discuss much about policies and you guys are poor compared to the west , and your education are flawed as said by some chinese people. furtherly you have to work day after day ,often more than 50 hours a week. and ive heard recently some of them even cant get a job.where do those concepts come from, why you say those things so confidently without any data support them

no offence is there any data indicating your point

[sharp creek]

perhaps your country is advanced . but i consider deceiving every individuals in the world rediculous. international reputation won’t be improved by bravado alone

how serious i was haha

[civic reef]

keep in mind that the guy you are currently responding to has been here for years and used to provoke others, purposefully, many times before

just warnin

[sharp creek]

astonished about that thankyou

perhaps that is part of his job

[grave shoal]

i call that thoughts provoking ideas

[civic reef]

yeah tbh throughout many months I've already become convinced that they could be funded by some agencies

[lime cobalt]

Nale Nale where are u ?

@shy summit Does the idealism of woke culture justify what P. Diddy did? He reminds me of the mad emperor Caligula.

This is a product of boundless liberalism.

[sick pebble]

Guys do you all notice that israel bombing palestine again?

What do you think about that guys? Are you guys still closing you eyes or your hearts are still dead?

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-qwark-ratchet-funny-clank-jak-and-daxter-the-lost-frontier-boogerman-gif-22537566

[red yacht]

War = deads = bad

[feral river]

kind of a lot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

all of your point lacks of data support I highly doubt you got these bullshit from some stupid medias

[night cedar]

Jesus

[formal pilot]

Kingus

[night cedar]

gaius

[sonic ferry]

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[formal pilot]

Wild

[sharp creek]

"In 2019, the poverty headcount ratio was 15.8% at $5.50 a day." Is that a lot of money that shows you are wealthy? $5.50 per day, 15.8%—WOW, that's a lot of money.
"Medical insurance is primarily administered by local governments. As of 2020, about 95% of the population has at least basic health insurance coverage." I doubt that because, as I know, youth unemployment was much higher than 15%, and there were still around 5% of people who couldn't find a job. Healthcare does not cover the jobless, and they have to use their own money, which is paid by their company.
Besides, all this data comes from "computing and being published in your ways." It is actually much worse than what we see on the internet, I believe. Did you even check the website before you sent it?
If you still insist on your ridiculous point, I will say you are right, and you really work hard for your position. I wish you can make China great soon.If I expressed anything wrong, I apologize for it. It hasn’t been tested with any evidence and is just from my perspective.by the way why dont you simply show me the average salary or the lowest wages in your country. Let me know more about china number 1 .

[sonic ferry]

I'm getting the hang of it

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Your smiles

I'm perplexed

[thorny steeple]

We won't watch your shit bro, no one cares

Stop flooding this shit here

You're a coward

Can you speak anything besides English?

Isn't it "try to stop me"?

You keep deleting and posting again because you know you would get banned if you went posting it continously in here

We don't care about your shit, no one is clicking on your link

No one is clicking bro

[dusty kite]

please stop spamming

stop spamming the same video

[thorny steeple]

Bro won't you stop

It's annoying

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK6fALsenmw

[thorny steeple]

Bro what's this lol

Don't you know, Trump is the best

He doesn't respect the mods lol, what's this guy

Why did you stop spamming, I don't get it

[grave shoal]

because he can bro

[thorny steeple]

Did he get timed out or banned?

[grave shoal]

because the video is still there

[thorny steeple]

Can you click on his profile and tell me whether he got banned or smth

[grave shoal]

if someone get banned, all their messages will also gone

[thorny steeple]

He probably got warned or smth

Or timed out

Because he spammed this same video a handful of times

[thorny steeple]

Only if the mod clicks to delete all msgs too

When you ban someone, it appears some options to see if you want all messages of that person to be deleted too or not

[prisma cipher]

Why should anyone respect mods if them mute me by mistakes and do nothing about it.

Don't even apologize

[grave shoal]

because, mods

[thorny steeple]

Because if you don't, they can do whatever they want to expell you from the server

[grave shoal]

freedom of speech or so you say

[thorny steeple]

They are above us hierarchically

[prisma cipher]

That is why I try not discuss it often. Definitely that stupid mod don't worth to get ban because of him

[thorny steeple]

Tbh there's a lot of freedom of speech here

[prisma cipher]

Agree

[thorny steeple]

Unless you do hate speech, such as being very racist, you won't get banned. If it's slightly racist, there's no punishment most of the times

[prisma cipher]

[main bison]

https://youtu.be/54-gBoG6m84?si=sPYcfslM7T687AgE

[main bison]

When you say something racist everyone calls you a racist
But no one calls you a liar.....

[thorny steeple]

Because it's implied

[vestal portal]

Hi Brazil

[manic juniper]

What happened

Why was he muted lmao

[marsh igloo]

what are u thinking, now?

[thorny steeple]

Look at this video he sent, I complained about he sending it too much, he insulted (as I did, too) and started spamming it continuously, deleting and posting again

@manic juniper can you open your dm for me to show you smth about the server? I sent it to andos

[manic juniper]

Add me

I have 4 minutes of break left

[unkempt bobcat]

Hello

[dapper laurel]

I don't think that shi is fr

It's just a pfp I think

Anyway, Brazilian meat is very good, I ate so much last night that this morning I had meat on my breath, I could still taste it

[dapper laurel]

@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Shhh 🤫

[thorny steeple]

What did you eat?

We have too many problems in Brazil, but cuisine ain't one

We are the ones who feed the world the most and had many dishes coming from Europe, Levant, Northern Africa and from the natives

[dapper laurel]

Picanha and Alcatra

We paid 23€ for Alcatra

I'm checking the receipt now

[thorny steeple]

Nothing else? Didn't you the classic rice and beans?

[thorny steeple]

Picanha is the favorite meat in the country. The elected president even made a campaign claiming that "the poor will eat picanha again"

[dapper laurel]

We are quite stingy, the two meats we ordered already cost 23€ and 26€ respectively

But we also ate fried cassava

The funny thing is that we didn't drink water, only beer. Because that beer was so light it seemed like water

[thorny steeple]

That's expensive, I advise you to buy them raw and roast them in a barbecue

[runic echo]

hi, all if you are seeking a senior developer's job, free free to dm, I can assist you anytime.

[thorny steeple]

Bro you're 16 you can't drink

[dapper laurel]

Theoretically no, but technically I can

[unique light]

We can easily go to a pub (though it depends on whether you're in a city or a town) and grab a pint. I'd have no trouble getting in

[shy summit]

Seen at a local gas station.

[verbal abyss]

funny but debatable

[manic juniper]

Nice

[verbal abyss]

how tf to send photo here 😭😭

[shell ermine]

Hi everyone, is there some topic to talk about?

[thorny steeple]

But you're an adult

[thorny steeple]

I thought Italy had more fiscalization or anything. In third world countries you learn to ride a motorcycle at 12

[shell ermine]

What do you think would be a correcty age to drive a car?

[verbal abyss]

unanswered question imo

might be around 18

[unique light]

Yeah but if I were say, 14 years old I would probably find a way to get a pint in Ireland (though probably not in Galway City, but in some smaller towns cuz no Gardai there)

[thorny steeple]

For men it could be around 15, but I would find it unfair to establish different ages, so 18 is good for each side

[thorny steeple]

Ha in the US it be 16 for the pre 18 plus license

@dapper laurel back to the roots

[dapper laurel]

We once tried to get vodka at the supermarket and they stopped us, but in bars usually no one stops you from drinking alcohol

[dapper laurel]

It is interesting how they are trying to revive their industry by responding to the demand for weapons and transforming their economy into a war economy

[thorny steeple]

in cities usually like non- professional jobs, the average wages is 4500-5,000 RMB per month (600-700 USD),work like 9 hours and 6 days in week

[dapper laurel]

In Russia it worked

And very well I would say too

[thorny steeple]

if you in a rural area the average wages is 200 usd per month i guess

[thorny steeple]

If you look old no one will ask for your ID

[thorny steeple]

It's good for both sides

[dapper laurel]

I'm still waiting for the beard bro

No one will think I'm 18+

Even though I'm tall enough to look like one

[thorny steeple]

Inject testosterone in your veins, that's the easiest way

[thorny steeple]

I was as tall you when I was 16

[dapper laurel]

I think I have normal test levels, it's just genetics to have little body/facial hair

[dapper laurel]

Like 180 cm?

[thorny steeple]

But do your male relatives have beards? Mine does. So it was obvious I would have one

[dapper laurel]

My father has a pretty thick beard

[thorny steeple]

I was 179 cm I guess, now I'm 183cm. Looks gigantic because the average height is 173cm, but in Europe I would just median

[dapper laurel]

My maternal grandfather, on the other hand, didn't

[thorny steeple]

Then just wait for yours to grow

[prisma cipher]

No it's not.

[thorny steeple]

Having a beard is overrated tbh, some men look better without them, they prefer shaving

[tough shell]

i look horrible in beard

[prisma escarp]

...

[prisma cipher]

It will work if they join war, if not it won't work. They failed before starting

I curious what will be German in future, sad I really like their cars

Not Wolkswagen tho

[dapper laurel]

The European Union has ordered a large-scale rearmament of all member countries, there is a lot of demand in truth

[prisma cipher]

It sucks

[thorny steeple]

So you like Mercedes and BMW?

[prisma cipher]

Yes won't work

[dapper laurel]

It is difficult to make long-term economic forecasts, in any case we will see

[prisma cipher]

Yes and audi

They really good at making car

[thorny steeple]

Isn't Audi owned by Volkswagen? At least they have some bond

[prisma cipher]

Maybe

[thorny steeple]

It is

[prisma cipher]

they want to make radical changes in the economy, but there are no challenges like war for them, it doesn't work that way.

You make good comparison with Russia but we for changing economy to war have to start fighting. It not working like let's make war economy without war. Just like preparation.

in theory I understand how it works but in practice it won't work

[thorny steeple]

Perhaps they're planning to invade Poland again

[prisma cipher]

business people and ordinary people, not seeing war, will not go for radical changes in their way of life

But political will talk about it until next election's

If they joining war like in Ukrainie I agree they can do it and even more than we expect.

[dapper laurel]

Well, they could indirectly finance Ukraine by sending them tons of cheap weapons. They could use some of those weapons for their own army or sell them to other EU countries, it wouldn't be that bad

Or maybe they're rearming because they really want to go to war

[prisma cipher]

Won't work, reason I told before. Driving economy to war makes life ordinary people different. It won't be the same life just they make instead of cars tanks. They will live bad for don't understanding why. And no one can explain why they should do that.

Unless they at war

They can make preparation for possibility of war but it will not be economy changer

They fail before starting

This is not about Germany, but there in America eggs have become more expensive and people gone crazy about it.

In Russia the situation is different, we have friends and relatives fighting, missiles and drones are flying into our territory. The government wants to spend more money on military needs, this does not raise any questions.

If they try to do it 5 years ago when everyone chill, won't work

[torpid dirge]

U guys always talking about politics and American govt

[merry ore]

This is #🧠｜serious-chat. The purpose of this channel is to have talks you're not supposed to have elsewhere (within reason). I think it's a good thing they're discussing these things here instead of infesting the other more light-hearted channels with them.

[torpid dirge]

I mean there's more serious topic to talk about rather than politics or like that ....

[prisma cipher]

You can talk about it. If we talk about politic doesn't mean there is no place for anything else

[torpid dirge]

That's the main problem man if we drop any specific concept while others political discussion conversation so that doesn't make sense....

Nobody gonna discuss about that

Eventually

[thorny steeple]

We can discuss the liberalisation, Islam Muslims philosophy GOlden Ara

Also Allama Iqbal

What do you say about'

[torpid dirge]

Yeha why not what would u like to talk about?

[thorny steeple]

Smiles 😀 nice to have you here again bro. Why don't you go spamming youtube links no longer?

[dapper laurel]

They tried to do this because consumers don't buy as much as they used to, in fact this is one of the reasons for the contraction of GDP, there is less money in circulation because people are buying less. So what was thought: if the ordinary consumer is not enough to support the economy, let's change the type of consumer. So now they are producing more weapons in an attempt to get more buyers and help the German industry. For example, German car manufacturers no longer meet consumer needs: cars too expensive for the consumer compared to the competition (European Union policies also don't help). So instead of producing ordinary cars, they produce reinforced vehicles for troop transport, tanks, etc. There is a great demand for these items at the moment

[shell lily]

@bold glade قَالَ: (يَا عَائِشَةُ، مَنْ هَذَا)؟ قُلْتُ: أَخِي مِنْ الرَّضَاعَةِ. قَالَ: (يَا عَائِشَةُ، انْظُرْنَ مَنْ إِخْوَانُكُنَّ؛ فَإِنَّمَا الرَّضَاعَةُ مِنْ الْمَجَاعَةِ) رواه البخاري (رقم/5102). ومدة السنتين هي مدة المجاعة التي ذُكرت في الحديث، وقد قَصَرَ النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم الرضاع المحرِّم عليها، وهذا يدل على عدم ثبوت حكم الرضاعة بعد الحولين.
هذا هو لي مافيه مايتشاف؟

[dapper laurel]

It was the same for Russia, but their success was assured because there was a great internal demand for armaments, it is war economy at its finest

[bold glade]

Machy hada kayn wa7ed akhor wla n9ssty mn hadith

[shell lily]

هذا لي لقيت كي حوست
غي اذا انت عندك احاديث وحدهم

[bold glade]

والله مافيا لي يجبد ليك حيت درت هاد البلان معا شحال من واحد الحديث فيه عايشة كترضع واخد خونا

[shell lily]

صبتها في كتاب ابن حجر العسقلاني؟

هذا كتاب خطير
فيه قاع فضائح السنة

[west kiln]

Bobo : رحلتي من الحداثة الى الدياثة
Translation / bobo : My Journey from Modernity to Cuckoldry

[weary belfry]

Plz keep the chat only English.

[shell lily]

https://tenor.com/view/cutecore-toll-gif-14989780945369042465

[bold glade]

Funny

[shy summit]

U.S bouta get a whole lot more stupid

[versed rain]

How did you go from 15 years old to over 18 in 1 year?

[native fiber]

I think the Turks have problems with every country. Is this the bad thing about the Turks?

[lime cobalt]

What is war? War is a situation that prioritizes victory above all else, even to the point of violating international conventions, moral values, and nobility. Therefore, discussing morality in a war where you side with one party is foolish. The middle ground is to stop the war on both sides, whatever the reason, as soon as possible as proposed by Trump even though many reject it by playing the victim card.

[tender vessel]

What is the context here?

[lime cobalt]

The wars happening now and those that will come in the future don’t bother arguing about morality in this situation. It’s like lecturing someone who’s drunk it’s useless.

[tender vessel]

I guess we don't agree often, but I agree Trump is an idiot nevertheless.

[tender vessel]

Certain actions are unjustifiable even in war situations. For instance, intentionally bombing civilian facilities aiming at murdering the most amount of civilians possible. This is never justified.

It's a criminal act, even if it's driven by political motives or whatever. I mean political motives as in weakening a particular country or government to demonstrate dominance.

[lime cobalt]

That is the worst possible outcome of a war the USA bombing Japan, causing long-term suffering due to radiation. Do you really want to talk about morality in this case?

[tender vessel]

I don't know how killing unarmed vulnerable civilians is an act of demonstrating dominance, but some people believe it is. If anything, it's a demonstration of one's cowardice.

[tender vessel]

Yes. I'd talk about morality in this case. There is absolutely no problem with that. I'm not American but I believe many Americans would also agree this is by far one of the most heinous actions in the history of mankind.

Because it is.

It's unjustifiable, even in wars.

[lime cobalt]

See, you’re justifying immorality right now

[tender vessel]

It intentionally targeted civilians. Those who did it are absolutely disgusting.

[tender vessel]

What do you mean?

I'm explicitly stating this type of immorality is unjustifiable.

[lime cobalt]

Think about it ,how else were they supposed to fight? If they didn’t deliver a decisive blow to Japan, the war might have dragged on endlessly, maybe even until now, and you wouldn’t be able to enjoy the peace we have today.

But that was back then. We are more modern now. Diplomacy from around the world could pressure both sides to stop without any excuses.

stoping the war is the point here

[tender vessel]

No. Because if they actually wanted to deliver a decisive blow, they could've delivered it on military bases or in battlefields. The only reason one would be deterred from engaging further in a war against a country that wouldn't think twice before committing such a heinous action is their fear of their barbarism and/or the fact they are not barbarians like their enemy to target their civilians too.

[neat dock]

My name is Clara P., and I’m excited to join this group. I'm originally from Las Vegas and work as a professional book writer. I also create courses on a variety of subjects, so I love sharing knowledge as much as I love learning something new. Besides that, I’m a foodie who enjoys all the fun and quirky experiences life has to offer. Looking forward to connecting with you all

[lime cobalt]

Are you kidding me? Higher morality? They attacked Pearl Harbor first without a declaration of war or prior warning

[tender vessel]

Pearl Harbor attack was targeting a military base (U.S. Pecific Fleet). At this time, although the U.S. was presenting itself as a neutral side, but come on, we all know the U.S. is never a neutral side. They've probably triggered the Japanese empire at some point. I'm not justifying the Pearl Harbor attack though. Just pointing out the difference, i.e., Japan attacking military bases while the U.S. casually wiping out two large civilian populated cities in Japan, intending to murder vulnerable civilians.

The mere light of this nuclear bomb left melted bodies of children who were playing in their neighborhood. So no, I'm not kidding when I say it's a travesty to think this could be justifiable in any way.

[restive zodiac]

I think he should ask himself wither he can accept that and see it to be justifiable if it would be done on him and whom he loves

[tender vessel]

I don't think any sane individual on the face of the earth would feel it's justifiable to kill his loved ones. Even Minecraft, who endorses h*tler's actions, would be completely anti-h*tler if his loved ones were directly or indirectly affected by him.

[lime cobalt]

who justified it, both is immoral , and i dont talk morality in war

[tender vessel]

So, you believe it's unjustifiable?

(morally)

[lime cobalt]

The war won’t stop if you keep bringing up childish things like that.

[restive zodiac]

if we are in the peak of civilization and established peace and Justice which all human demand, that requires condemning and punishing who broke the rules of international law and rules of humanity.. Anyway for someone who is an atheist, racist, nationalist extremist like Zionist as a prime example implies disregard all of that ,bcz there is no meaning, no punisher when he owns power and dominance ,only remaining thing is benefit . Anyway for someone who is an atheist implies disregard all of that ,bcz there is no meaning , no punisher when he own power and dominance ,only remaining thing is benefit

[tender vessel]

I don't know when did I claim discussing those issues would end the war. Neither would your idea end it. It isn't about ending a war, it's about acknowledging those actions are unjustifiable under any circumstances. I mean, this is common sense.

[tender vessel]

Yeah, the implications of atheism are quite evil. Not to say all atheists are evil though, so we don't generalize.

[lime cobalt]

It still has the potential to happen in the current war and future wars, without any efforts to stop the war through global pressure. Why are we more focused on the root cause rather than its side effects?

both side of wars is potential immoral, dont pick a side

[tender vessel]

This is a different topic. It would be irrelevant to the subject-matter we're currently discussing.
The main point is whether intentionally targeting unarmed vulnerable innocent civilians is justifiable, which it isn't. From that point we can start working towards finding a resolution or causing global pressure.

[restive zodiac]

most atheists took their morality from Utilitarian philosophy and norm of society. So if something is good for me and my ppl is moral whatsoever the means

[feral river]

the implications of atheism is what you have created to fight against it

[lime cobalt]

this my topic from the start

[feral river]

and some are truth but some are lie, like how we are explaining the religion itself as a political tool

and it is for almost all the time

[restive zodiac]

he is saying if it is good and will bring peace to me then targeting civilians is justifiably

[tender vessel]

Oh yeah, those are mostly moral relativists or moral non-cognitivists. Morality becomes quite arbitrary with atheism, indeed.

[feral river]

morality is either what authority created to be easy to rule the people, or people's interest collude then provokes it to be exist nothing more.

and you know how vulnerable it is, I don't need to repeat that sentence

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[tender vessel]

Do you know what the word implications mean?

[feral river]

you think your story would create an empty feeling of having moral to pua yourself, for us it's just nothing.

[tender vessel]

I doubt you do.

[restive zodiac]

this Minecraft is unique, can see Stalin in him 😂

[feral river]

or self-brainwashing if you don't know what pua means

🤣

[tender vessel]

Okay. I agree merely discussing whether it's moral or immoral won't magically stop the war and that pursuing global pressure is far more effective for that.
But do you agree targeting unarmed vulnerable innocent civilians intentionally and freely is morally unjustifiable?

[restive zodiac]

so why all societies from deft kind united on labeling killing innocent ppl to be immoral

[feral river]

I agree but I don't think you can say a bunch of people walking down the street carrying deadly weapon or hateful symbols towards the authority which clearly violated the law, "unarmed vulnerable innocent civillians"

[tender vessel]

Stalin was probably one of Minecraft's disciples. 😂

[feral river]

they are fucking enemies, criminals, disruptors of the society, terrorists

you think they gonna ignore this shit ? no they will hit you hard if you do so

I don't think you need to see more F-35 over your head so keep it down

and follow the rule

and I see whether your moral is capable to fight against a F-35 😂

[restive zodiac]

besides Marx and Mao zi tong

[tender vessel]

Okay, but the punishment fits the crime, no? I mean, you won't execute your son for disobeying you for example, no?

[lime cobalt]

It’s not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, it has the potential to happen to both warring parties.

[feral river]

I won't but that was on me I say whatever I execute not you guys

I'm the executor, authorities are executors

you understand ?

[tender vessel]

I'm not sure I follow.

[feral river]

they say whatever according to the law or not, to execute anyone based on their principle, by force.

because nothing could face force besides force.

so keep it down for less F-35 or probably J-20 in the future

or you gonna win the war, okay if you can win

[restive zodiac]

للحق رجال يعلوه والا أفسد أدنى الخلق الارض بافعالهم

[feral river]

Who controls the gun, who made the law

Regime born from guns

Law/rule without enforcement is toilet paper

[tender vessel]

If you're the lawgiver, you can do that, yes. I agree. This actually reinforces my point about the implications of atheism, i.e., how arbitrary morality can be under an atheistic framework. 🤝

[restive zodiac]

always fall

[feral river]

That’s the best for current situation, and that fit the natural law of survival for the fittest

I can accept that by the way

[sharp creek]

such a big jail

[sharp creek]

hello prison guard

[tender vessel]

I remember h*tler using that as a justification for his action, believing the Aryan race is superior, particularly Germans and other Northern Europeans, and therefore murdering those "inferior" races as they are hindering evolution is justifiable. Thank you again for reinforcing my points. 🤝

[thorny steeple]

Jail?

[sharp creek]

work endlessly day after day

[feral river]

Nothing relevant to racism and discrimination lmao

I didn’t even mention them

[feral river]

Not pretty bad tbh

[lime cobalt]

That is the worst potential of war that cannot be avoided. Those who go to war are aware of it from the beginning, fighting means accepting that risk. That’s why I support global efforts to stop the war on both sides to prevent more deaths because death is the end of everything, whereas life still holds the potential to grow stronger in the future.

[tender vessel]

I didn't say you did. I'm just saying this same ideology was H*tler's.

[sharp creek]

Not pretty good tbh

[thorny steeple]

bro i used to work as a water before in mainland, i got paid like 3100 yuan per month when i was a student

[tender vessel]

Okay, I agree with that.

[sharp creek]

you supported shit

only surrender stops a war

dont lie to yourself

is

[uneven citrus]

skibidi

[feral river]

Till the last terrorist and separatists is down

[restive zodiac]

u agree with posing targeting civilians as possible way to force peace and surrendering ?

[feral river]

When the earth unites under one flag probably the United States or People’s Republic of China

[restive zodiac]

bcz that what implies if u agree

[sharp creek]

you really have to keep mentioning your country every minutes;

[feral river]

This will be achieved

[thorny steeple]

I heard that from my uncle said, at that time usually in 1980s a lot of Chinese people went to japan to working there, bc japan has the highest wages compared to china

But now I don’t hear a lot about people go to abroad for making the living

[restive zodiac]

Japan at that time was second biggest economy in the world

[lime cobalt]

There is no winning or losing in a peace agreement. Even if you lose, you can still balance power if you’re smart enough, for example, by becoming dominant in the economy and technology.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[tender vessel]

Of course not! What do you think I am? Minecraft? 😂
I agree that we need to pressure both sides as to end this series of bloodshed. However, I also believe, in the absence of any middle ground, to join the right side against its enemy is the best way to end the war.

[sharp creek]

its the best way to suffer from the war

[restive zodiac]

ok , but he argued about morality aspect of targeting civilians to be necessary

[feral river]

I hope your opponent doesn’t have a group of F-22 and F-35, several aircraft carriers, nuclear bombs, biological radiological chemical weapons, thousands of tanks with millions of soldiers

But a bunch of militias doing that stupid warfare in the trees or mountains

[tender vessel]

In the absence of any middle ground, all parties will suffer anyway. It's better to join the right side in overpowering its enemy to force them into submission.

[feral river]

For me I know who’s gonna win, no doubt

[sharp creek]

i wonder the officials and the leaders of a nation are wealthy enough why they still want to wage a war?where are the benefits

Maybe they are simply too bored, so they wage a war as if it were just a game

[tender vessel]

Maybe he's shifting the goal-post. My argument against this notion stands firm though. It's unjustifiable under any circumstances to freely and intentionally target unarmed vulnerable innocent civilians.

[restive zodiac]

Yes.

he just switched it to making an apologist argument

for making that. ** Necessary **

which is absurd

[feral river]

I never said it was, but I’m arguing that category of people does not fit this definition

Terrorist is terrorist, enemy is enemy, criminal is criminal

[tender vessel]

Honestly, all of those weapons are useless if their users are oblivious about how to use them. Military strategies and tactics can overpower most weapons.
Consider the Vietnam war, although Vietnam was supposed to be militarily weaker than the U.S, it ultimately emerged victorious, despite the U.S. having way stronger weapons.
I highly advise you learn about power-dynamics and how wars actually work. War victory isn't about who has bigger muscles. There are tons of nuances and details.

[feral river]

DON’T SAY THEM “unarmed vulnerable innocent civilians”

That’s bullshit

[lime cobalt]

what are u talking about ? Oke, for example, many Palestinian civilians are injured, are Israeli civilians also affected by suicide attacks and other attacks? Which side are you on?

[feral river]

Ah huh when Vietnamese are tasting american chemical weapons, I hope you say it again on their face

[sharp creek]

you guys look young and naivee ,imagine the situation your family was injured by enemies will you want a revenge.

[restive zodiac]

"many Palestinians are injured'' very funny

[thorny steeple]

I see nothing funny on this sentence at all

[tender vessel]

The U.S. can't use nuclear weapons on Russia for example, because Russia also possesses weapons of mass destruction, both sides would destroy each other, no side would emerge victorious. So, as I said, it's not about your strong weapons. If the U.S. could've used those "chemical weapons", why haven't they used it? It would be utterly irresponsible and could cause far worse consequences on the U.S. itself than to simply retreat or lose the war. As I said, it's not about bigger muscles.

[feral river]

it is because Russia has wmds as US have, you don't have that

you guys don't have any of that

then what's the reason for them to not to use them for eliminate enemies at the lowest cost

you don't have that, you don't have any cards

they have it, they might drop it any minute you possibly imagine

[restive zodiac]

it's thousands of innocent people died from random bombardment on concentrated place , more than 20k kids died in last war going on gaza

[feral river]

or you are gonna try to equip the nuclear weapons, see Iraq

almost being wiped out on the map

you can't see Iraq but only the United States at that time on the map

see what's the gonna happen

a order from Washington D.C. is capable to destroy them all

this is the world we live in

[sharp creek]

the only way to stop these fights is surrender. the leaders are playing their games and soldiers and citizens die for it

everyone knows the result of the war before it gets start

[restive zodiac]

I prefer to die for justice than to accept injustice.

[lime cobalt]

how u want it to stop then ? u want palestine destroy israel ?

[feral river]

Israel is a nuclear power

they have nuclear weapons

[sharp creek]

there is no justice in this world

[feral river]

strength is the only source of justice

nothing more

[sharp creek]

cherish your own life

[feral river]

survival for the fittest

[tender vessel]

Neither did Vietnam have it. Hamas militants for example used simple weapons such as Al-Yassin 105 to knock out the IDFs Merkava tanks, despite the fact Merkavas are among the most, if not the most, devastating and technologically advanced tanks in the world.
With the right tactics and military strategies, even the thickest armors can be penetrated.

[feral river]

then let's see the result of this war

this war has no suspense for me lmao

prove it if you are right

[restive zodiac]

I want Isreal to recognize Palestinians right to exist and establish their own free country under 67 UN borders

[lime cobalt]

is that what hamas want ?

[restive zodiac]

yes

[sharp creek]

none of the countries will help palestinians . the only thing they do is keeping denounce . would it not be better to find a way to escape

[tender vessel]

What is the result? unarmed innocent civilians being targeted? Any army in the world can do that. If anything, this is a demonstration of cowardice and disability. If they were actually a match for Hamas militants, why can't they engage in close combats?
Israel hasn't achieved its objectives. It's likely to never reach it. Hamas is not a group, it's a movement and an ideology. They are fighting the people instead of the idea. It's like attempting to put out a fire by swatting at the smoke. Lol. It's utterly useless and the fire will continue spreading.
The right course of action is to cure the root cause; rather than fighting the syptoms. Of course the Israeli occupation is the root cause as we've discussed and you agreed once before.

[restive zodiac]

force is the only understood language that still remaining

[feral river]

ah huh the war on terror won't last till the last terrorist is down

[lime cobalt]

Would they also be willing to recognize Israel?

[sharp creek]

isreal have bombs and drones while the palestinians get nothing .first and foremost, they should focus on staying alive

[feral river]

Hamas is one of them and we will see what's the result of this war

we all fighting them, US is fighting them, China is fighting them, Russia is fighting them but in different ways

we will see if terrorism will stand still or our bombs will stand still

[sharp creek]

??us

[feral river]

and you will see how much we gonna spend on destroying them

[sharp creek]

i think the us is supporting them

nobody is fighting them

[feral river]

I think it's you are supporting this terrorist ideology with many clue because of the nature of your mindset, I don't blame you for that

but you will see how it will last, and if you joins it, you will last for it

[sharp creek]

which side fighting hamas or fighting isreal

[tender vessel]

Agreed! 🤝
The Israeli occupation, which is the worst terrorist organization in this century, must be taken down. I'm certain Hamas would disappear if the root cause for its existence—i.e., the Israeli occupation—disappeared.
I don't know why are you so emotionally attached to such an occupation. It absolutely has no benefit on your well-being or best interests.

[feral river]

there's only one legitimate soviereign state in this entire region - State of Israel

what you are talking is just self-brainwashing yourself, nothing relevant to the objective truth

[lime cobalt]

USA is the most anti-terrorist because of the dark experience of 9/11

[tender vessel]

Doesn't change the fact that it's an occupation.

[feral river]

you say that's it whatever, many people say we are occupying Xinjiang or somewhere, who cares

the truth won't change by how you gonna interpret it

强大, 无需多言

[tender vessel]

Hamas cares. Israel shouldn't complain about their national security then if they are causing their own problems.
I don't know about China, Xinjiang or whatever.

[feral river]

strong, no need more words

[sharp creek]

??not every citizen is terrorist

what has the hamas done before the war

[sharp creek]

sorry i didnt get your point fighting whom

isreal or palestine

[sharp creek]

the law prohibits revenge by individuals. but a state is allowed to eradicate another. in this context ,supports and protests are utterly shit. when those things take effect .there will be no palestinians left on this land.
the weak may have wronged the strong in the past ,but the civilians today are innocent and unarmed ,they have no choice in where they were borned and they are educated in the way of gov.
i still insist that they should surrender or escape

i learned how to use a line break

how smart am i

[feral river]

get the fuck off or surrender in a war zone

then you will be okay

that's the most cases besides being captured by ISIS, Taliban or some other terrorist regimes

don't expect you will have something if you lose a war

if you think you don't deserve it, fight for it, die for it

[sharp creek]

there is nothing after people s death sir

[feral river]

Same thought for me

But we live for something right, even we know we are just an instant moment on the time

And we probably will be unknown, totally forget by the time and the world

But even that, I still wanna have a nice time with my life

Besides that what we have ? The truth is we have none

Look over these nice beings, what a miracle of our universe

Enjoy it

[tender vessel]

An explosion randomly and coincidentally created an intricate system. What a miracle. 😂

[formal pilot]

[feral river]

Who told you that bullshit, that comes from my d in a sec that created everything instantly

Or you gonna call it, a god ? I dont mind if you say so

Btw worshipping d in somewhere is a real thing

[formal pilot]

We can agree on the "a sec" part

[tender vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-zoning-out-cat-stare-black-cat-black-cat-tiktok-stare-gif-6568742496074847242

[feral river]

That better than some fucked fictional story

[tender vessel]

Damn bro. Even fiction has better character development than that comment. 😂

Lol. believing the universe came from nothing by pure accident is the peak of rational thinking.

[restive zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/feg-the-god-feg-the-world-tha-gunnaz-gif-2204856380238979267

their god

[feral river]

believe whatever you want, that's your freedom

enforce your belief ? face guns and bombs

and see how much you got and how much we got

a bunch of losers trying to proof their stuipid ideology is superior

while losing the war

[night cedar]

religion again

[tender vessel]

Lol. No. It's atheism this time.

[pseudo cape]

does anyone play messcraft

[lime cobalt]

agnostic will say “ we dont know !!” is it your god, others god , or anything

There are things invisible to human sight, such as gravity, gamma waves, dark matter, but humans can prove their existence with evidence. It's different from God and ghosts.

Forget debating with an atheist or agnostic , even with someone of a different religion, there will be no common ground.

[livid charm]

[dire wing]

[desert grove]

Guys how do i avoid paying taxes ?

[dire wing]

eat the taxes/

[desert grove]

But the tax collectors will eat me instead

[thorny steeple]

Use Monero XMR

[near blaze]

How serious are we today

[thorny steeple]

Lets talk a bit on it

[night cedar]

Where would you like to begin?

[thorny steeple]

Modern Islamic State

Islamic Civillization, Muslims Golden Era

Change in the religious thoughts

[manic juniper]

Kinda boring

[thorny steeple]

then come and bring your critques here

[manic juniper]

I just said it's kinda boring, isn't that enough

[near blaze]

If you don't wanna talk about it why comment on it?

[thorny steeple]

yea

[manic juniper]

Because it's a public chatroom perhaps

[near blaze]

So?

[manic juniper]

?

[near blaze]

?

[brave island]

I'm searching for a word that can be used in a title that goes in meaning of like a mad person but like in a chaotic and unfeeling way.

For example, it's used to describe a situation like this:
"The scientist couple experimented on their one and only daughter for their needs of curiosity and creativity"

[near blaze]

Psychopath

[manic juniper]

Nefarious

[feral river]

Modern IS ?

[thorny steeple]

do not know why we need such a dark religion in our humans, the world should become more secular instead of like there is a god

for example like you guys can have customers and cultural identity and stuff, but practice "haram" such as like a Vodou

[prisma cipher]

Unblocked

[thorny steeple]

why you blocked and unblocked him on and off?

[prisma cipher]

Because I want

[thorny steeple]

ohh okay

[prisma cipher]

Chill I think I block him two time, for me two time is rare thing

[thorny steeple]

what you blocked him two times, is there any reasons

[prisma cipher]

Yes, nothing special. he use so much swear words, don't wanna read it

[thorny steeple]

normal

[prisma cipher]

Like swear words without reason

Like put it in the middle of every sentence

[thorny steeple]

i split a lot of vulgar wrods in real life too

in the internet i shall be like a gentlemen

[prisma cipher]

In text mostly yes

if suddenly someone wants to catch me in a contradiction and find my text with swear words, just don't waste your time

[thorny steeple]

gonna go to shopping now

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-1105617598331461830

My pc so fucking sunny

[feral river]

ahhh pretty awesome tbh

[thorny steeple]

it costs me 2000usd dollar to build this one

bro

@whole beacon bro i cant speak wtf

can u enable this function

needs to be activated

[whole beacon]

Done

[thorny steeple]

thanks G

[honest vault]

Please check room a2.

[thorny steeple]

need how, need how, being chill link

[floral crown]

I think no matter you are left wing or right wing, we need to accept the idea that we will always be divided, we will never agree to each other. and just find something good that most of us can all agrees on, like banning drugs, homeless issues, economics, and just do those

[floral crown]

people believes that “moral system” is universal, and so they once see someone disagree with them on these moral problems, they think that he just don’t have morals, but he does, just a different one. A lion killed a deer, and ate her. from lion’s perspective, a deer that runs too fast is a sin, because it make it harder for lion’s survival, but from deer’s perspective. every lion a murder. we share different code, when I see 2 person from different political spectrum debating, I just see a lion and deer debating about what wrong or right, it’s never going to reach agreement

[prisma cipher]

I just go too

[manic juniper]

The lion doesn't really think a deer being fast is a sin, the deer doesn't consider lions as murderers, they don't have a concept of murder

They see lions as extremely dangerous (or at least they would if lions and deer coexisted, since lions prey on antelopes)

[prisma cipher]

I see

[dapper laurel]

@thorny steeple I'm going to ROME, so if you want to see something in particular tell me so I can send photos. It will be spectacular, Rome has been completely renovated

[ancient wharf]

Rome is a ||shit|| hole, bad infrastracture, no security, over tourism and insanely high prices

but they have good city

[tepid solstice]

Sicily is good

[dapper laurel]

They actually have quite good infrastructure. If you have visited central Rome (one of the most expensive and aristocratic areas of one of the most visited cities in the world) you can't complain about the high prices. As far as security is concerned, the police doesn't have many powers, it's normal for criminals to do what they want unfortunately, even mass immigration has not given a good contribution

[ancient wharf]

iinfrastracture are ahh, and that's a fax, the only good thing is the metro. And half of those buildings are owned by the vatican, so they dont even pay taxes on it. but overall is a wonderful city

[thorny steeple]

türkiye doesn‘t even want to be in europe dont worry lil bro, good luck with putin lmao

[floral crown]

Bro it’s Im just making a example, I know that lion and deer are dum dums

[thorny steeple]

You call religion dark, yet it has been the foundation of civilizations, the guide of morality, and the source of meaning for billions throughout history.

Islam, in its true form, is not an obstacle to progress, it is a force that shaped the greatest civilizations in history. The Golden Age of Islam brought forth science, medicine, philosophy, and governance that benefited the entire world. The West took much of its enlightenment from the Muslim world, from scholars like Ibn Sina, Al-Farabi, and Ibn Khaldun.

[thorny steeple]

I wanna see Lazio fans yelling "d**e" is that possible. Or their squared pizza

[thorny steeple]

You mention Wudu and cultural practices, why should any belief system be reduced to caricature
Secularism, at its best, means allowing diversity, not erasing identities. If the world moves forward, it should do so with respect for all, including those who find meaning in faith. The challenge is not in removing religion, it is in ensuring that religion and progress walk hand in hand, as they once did in the greatest eras of human civilization, Secularism on other hand isnt best as it removes rleigion in it

[thorny steeple]

nice profile picture broski

[thorny steeple]

Fr

[thorny steeple]

What do you think about secular rules @thorny steeple

[manic juniper]

They're not dumb, they just don't see it that way. We also don't consider eating cows as murder

[verbal torrent]

What do u think about jame’s t amk u know him well what is this question

[dapper laurel]

Thank God you don't want it anymore, believe it or not, but I breathed a sigh of relief

[dapper laurel]

I'll try my best with that

[thorny steeple]

my childhood hero

[thorny steeple]

europe nevertheless does rely on türkiye and nobody cares about ur shitty racist opinion lil brown italian

care about ur own country, it‘s overflooded with immigrants i swear to god

[warm violet]

3rd world war is about to happen here