🧠｜serious-chat

[elder seal]

unprovoked attack on Jewish communities by arab muslims

It's important to really understand the context here - The specific fear among some Arabs were that the Jews were planning on building the temple as a way to reinforce their ideals; reality was, nobody had anyt plans here, this massacre serviced as the catalyst to the kibbutz uprising and Jewish zionism

Specifically, the Haganah was a direct reaction to this

https://www.hudson.org/foreign-policy/the-hebron-riots-of-1929-consequences-and-lesson you can read the consequences of this attack here:

The 1929 riots destroyed the Jewish community in Hebron. They persuaded Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion that socialist fraternity among Jewish and Arab workers and peasants would not ensure peace. They impelled Palestine’s Jews to bolster the Haganah, their underground self-defense group. And they vindicated Zionist warnings against relying on foreigners for security.

[void arch]

Also, the past does not matter to the subsect; the fact is, you're in the present. A state is justified on its own basis; there's as much justification for one as opposed to the other. You're in the present now, noT 1920s or 1930s.
ur committing bothsidesism Fallacy and erasing Historical events that lead to what it is today ,only to adopt an unjustifiable state.

[elder seal]

Nothing here is a "fallacy" - We're in 2025, the historical events can only be used as a framing towards how things are now. There's no attempt at "balance" here, what's said is that the past is not a meaningful justification for anything, because I can take reference to any specific point in the past as a justification for anything

you're essentially building an arbitrary argument. It doesn't matter how things were 100 years ago, we're in 2025. Not 1900. If you want to argue on that basis - I'd note that arabs did infact initiate this conflict, not the Jews

they didn't live "peacefully together," as you claim, the specific reaction, and all the violence, started there specifically - You can blame the British for giving justification for the violence, sure. But that's not a meaningful defence when Arab leaders spread lies about some Jewish plot that induced this violence

[void arch]

it seems to me as it is a natural counter effect to the going on plans to establish Jewish state -despite I don't justify killing innocent ppl as it is against the Islamic doctrine - but looking at the Historical context of that reaction, just now observing what Isreal reached today approve that their worries were right, but actions may be wrong.

But how that justify expulsion of Palestinians from their villages ,thousands of villages have been totally erased ? .

[elder seal]

There was no such attempt - And if there was, that was always specifically done with Arab and Jews in mind. You can see that by merely noting how Zionist leaders related to Arabs; David Ben-Gurion wanted peaceful coexistence of Jews and Arabs. Things like the Haganah, while existing, was not particularly militant nor was it aggressive in its posturing. The violence specifically occurred over accusation of Jews wanting to take over al-Aqsa Mosque; problem? It had no proof. It was a baseless accusation. So zionism did not have as strong an appeal prior to these attacks - It was exactly because of these attacks that the Jewish community concluded that peaceful coexistence was impossible.

The Haganah became increasingly militant, only bolstered by arab violence and riots from 1931-1936, serving as further justification for the Haganah. The 1948 expulsion and killings by the Haganah are the eventual outcome of this.

Now, you're asking for a Justification for this - I don't think there is one; but neither was there a justification for the attacks in 1921, 1928, 1936, 1939 etc., the specific expulsion was a Reaction to these things; if violence is the only thing you've known from a group of people, do you want to live peacefully with those? If your neighbour constantly attacks you, do you think you can live with him peacefully? It's important to understanding this in context to grasp the full breath - This is an outcome of these attacks which serviced as ideological justification for radical zionism

[feral river]

they don't give a shit to your islamic stuff

[elder seal]

Nobody's appealing to Islam, MC.

[feral river]

can't agree more

[elder seal]

The point he's making is that we shouldn't have had Jews moving to Israel - And I'd be inclined to agree. In a 'perfect world,' the Jews wouldn't have gone there - In part due to balfour declaration; in part due to the Germans mass expulsion of Jews in 1930s

[feral river]

and btw whatever you think it's unjust to let those jewish people into that piece of land or something else fucked based on some toilet paper, the reality is that land is part of the British Empire, British rules, not any of you guys

I don't see even one arab in British cabinet

and they decided to let people come in, establish their state, whatever who the fuck gives a shit to you, you are not ruling the land

british rules

and nobody gives a shit to some loser's excuse

[feral river]

well those all excuses for some morality explaination, I would say things happened with real cause which mostly not based on those excuses

the truth is, let more jewish into that place would help British to control their territory in the middle east

[elder seal]

It's important to understand that the specific dialogue is due to 'moral discourse' - That's how @void arch started the specific conversation. There wasn't any specific justification to religion; there wasn't any specific discussion about "Erhm, who had power!?" as you're attempting to shoehorn into it. That's irrelevant to the subject-matter

[feral river]

remember their old for all strategy of divide and rule ? separating groups of people, make people rival together in one territory so the cost would be very little for british to rule the place

[feral river]

I don't think I need to follow his subject-matter to respond some bullshit

neither you should do

[elder seal]

I'm merely contextualizing the subject 🤷🏻‍♂️

[feral river]

gj I see very nice

[coral belfry]

opps sorry wrong gif
my mice double clicks by itself

[elder seal]

Just to expand on this, by the way, @void arch David Ben-Gurion was the first prime minister of Israel. His opinion on Arabs had changed a lot after the attacks - before that, he followed a very typical Arab-Israeli reconciliation framework on the basis of "working class and victims of imperialism should unite" type of reasoning

[void arch]

ur erasing the Historical context that lead to the establishment of isreal ,and equating between a colonizer and a colonized an occupier and an occupied ,its just dishonest to do so.

I didn't mention that past is justifying anything today ,at least u. ur justifying Isreal state legitimacy based on an suffering that caused by western states for centuries, and the actions against their plans to establish Isreal from Palestinians ,like Jewish people were living under brutal occupation and suffering in palestine ,for intance u have many Jewish ppl mentioning how peaceful and harmony their life among Muslims was.

not to mention that period ur mentioning those acts against Jews is when tensions were at the top between two sides ,and that erase the historical context ,as Muslim were afraid of today observable consequence of establishing isreal .when they are wittinising mass immigration of europian Jewish ,and political support for establishing Zionist state. what would be ur reaction if u know immigrants are planning to take control ur country and kick ur off out if it with support of other major powers?

indeed ur argument is flawed ,just bcz Jewish ppl -for the sake of argument- suffer from brutality and violence ,doesn't justify establishing an apartheid state based on ethnic cleansing against another group and expulsion of them.

[elder seal]

I'm giving you the context, actually - That's the specific context itself; the cause of much of it can be traced to violence that occurred through this period.

I'm not actually justifying anything. I'm demonstrating why the specific events occurred and what caused them. If you accept that the attacks of 1921 and 1928 were provoked on unsound reasoning; you must also accept that these specific attacks that occurred later through the civil war has reasoning. You're talking about 'peaceful and harmonious life,' but I don't see that when I look it up. Already in the 19th century 18-19 hundreds, arabs were beginning to make attacks on Jews throughout the arab world. A masscre of jews in 1828 Bagdad; punitive taxation in Libya; in 1867, 1870 and 1897 arabs ransacked and destroyed several synagogues in Tripolitania. We can go on - While none of these were specifically in Palestine, we saw similar sentiment arise: attempts at expulsion and violence too. So this would be a fantasy.

That's ignoring that the establishment was a reaction to violence - Again, I've already gone through this with you. You can say the immigration 'was bad,' but to then talk about violence which occurred against throughout the arab world, even in areas without immigration; in areas before the balfour declaration, what peaceful coexistence are we specifically talking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed not to forget this

If you want - I can go through more pogroms in Ottomn Palestine

[void arch]

ur again erasing the context ,like Muslim wake up and start attacking Jewish ppl , cinema!

Jewish ppl were mass immigrating and establishing settlement with the aid of terrorists paramilitary of isreal , it s consequential there ll be resistance and clash between sides but its important to highlight the dangerous movement seen by native citizens .

[void arch]

are u colonizing me and expecting peace are u sure of what you are saying ?

[elder seal]

"Wake up"? From what? The minority in the 19th century prior to zionism? What did they wake up to - These attacks had no justification, yet they were committed with impunity. To quote:

The Arabs are violently hostile to the Jews, and persecute the children of Israel in the streets of the city. If a notable or even lower-class citizen lays their hands on a Jew, we have no right to reciprocate, whether Arabs or Turks, for they are of the same religion. If a Jew is hit, he must adopt a supplicant attitude and not retaliate with unkind words, lest he receive even more blows, for, in their eyes, we are people of nothing. Sephardim behave like this because they’re already used to it.
You talk about peaceful coexistence, but I don't see any here - These were prior to immigration, this was before the specific claims you're making. Much of this was unprovoked

[elder seal]

This isn't even a meaningful framework: Is a Palestinian who return to Palestine while living 50 years in Europe a colonizer?

[void arch]

taking someone land and expecting to accept 50 50 share , its unfair to begin with

[elder seal]

Important to remember that these specifically were often done in areas where Jews were already the majority - The initial split in 1948 occurred around the coastline where Jews were a majority population. You can say it's because of "immigration," sure, legal immigration for that matter - Do you think that Europeans are justified in attacking and discriminating against arabs in europe?

If not - Why do you think they are in this case?

And even then - Many of the areas of Palestine were initially primarily inhabited by Jews. To quote Franciscus Quaresmius on Safed, it was: "Inhabited mainly by Hebrews, where they have their synagogues and schools." Yet, by the time of the 1920s, it was generally inhabitated by Arabs. Would this not constitute colonization? Or are we skipping around the bush here?

As I've stated - The more you look back, the less favorable to your position history becomes.

[manic juniper]

Nowhere I ever claimed you did

Americans always feeling as if they're at the centre of everyone's attention

[void arch]

I dont support brutal treatment of any side ,I do recognize the right for both ppl to live there, but I oppose mass immigration and world political movement at that time that lead to establishing a state based on ethnic cleansing and expulsion of another native citizen.
i also do not see it to be logical to make such narratives a legitimate reason to establish an apartheid state.

[void arch]

false equivalence, Europeans Jews weren't immigrants in europe they were citizens for centuries in europe, not like other Jews that lived originally in palestine.

[elder seal]

See - That argument falls on his head for a variety of reasons. At least initially, we're both in agreement; and while expulsions can be argued to be 'negative,' you must admit that those are a reaction to specific history of violence itself. Neither being justified. But the problem remains that even with expulsions, when peace occurred, Israel wanted the state of Palestine to look like this: This deal was demographic, if we take a look at populations during this period, we'll see the overlap. Arab majority areas went to Arabs, Jewish majority areas went to Israel with some exceptions. Now, you'd be right in saying that nakba was unjustified - I've already agreed, but we've also got to contextualize plenty of these things in a historical context.

[elder seal]

You're relying on an arbitrary dividing line. They've been there "in a century," okay, why would it matter if it's 2 or 10 generations? They're still citizens of a foreign country when they 'return.' See, your reasoning is inconsistent here. At least if we look at European jews, Ashkenazi Jews, they're geneticallty similar to even local Jews in ottoman Palestine (Mizrahi), and even have a 30~50 % genetic overlap with local arab Palestinians

also, the largest Jewish population of Israel are arab jews - Mizrahi Jews, so even then, this position wouldn't actually work out.

[dense agate]

Jewish migration and acquisition of land was done legally and authorities intervened to settle any issues ( this is back at Ottoman times).
very ironic how you talk about erasing context and you just ignore fully fledged facts.

[void arch]

are u comparing an immigrant with an occupier that actively willing to occupie and establish a state in ur country?

[manic juniper]

You are comparing many of the Jews who moved to Palestine to occupiers, when in fact they were refugees from a genocide

[elder seal]

You did conveniently forget that several areas were originally Jewish dominated. So if we go far enough back in history, this argument can be turned around against you.

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/ I think this article goes into depth with this

[dense agate]

what Palestinian state was there prior to Israel lel

[elder seal]

You're thinking in terms of state and country, not in terms of population and members - He's talking membership and population, not statehood

[manic juniper]

I think that example is especially poor lol weren't they establishing a state with the permission of the owner of said country?

[dense agate]

I just followed his statement where he mentioned occupying a country, and it's not like Jews are alien to that part of land.

[elder seal]

As I've argued earlier - @void arch, if you want a justification for your position, it's better to look from 1970s and after; that's where the most stringent offences from Israeli side occurred.

and it's especially in 1990 - 2014 that the specific framing is best applied.

after the oslo accord

[elder seal]

They're addressing Ashkenazi Jews who came from Europe to Palestine during these periods; though I did point out the flaw in this argument in that Mizrahi Jews are the largest and fastest growing group in Israel currently

and ironically, it's ashkenazi jews that want peaceful coexistence, while it's the local mizrahi Jews that are often nationalists and genocidal

[void arch]

I dont see genetics has any basis for this, the fact is Isreal established by mass immigration, nobody could say it illegal bcz it was done under BK on paper, but its actual illegal immigration for me.

[elder seal]

Well, "for you" would be the arbitrary framework. That's the issue. However, I think I did argue above that it's useless to even argue this case as lot of Jews, the largest proportion, are Arab Jews from the area itself. Mizrahi jews make up 45% of all Jews in Israel - Ashkenazi are 32%

[void arch]

what are u comparing , the fact is u ve mass immigration and systemic occupation by those immigrants.

[dense agate]

I don't have valid reasons to call it illegal but i'll do so anyways lel

[void arch]

that s what makes it illegal

[elder seal]

I mean, you need to be more specific - If we're talking about the colonilization effort around the early 2000s, I'd be in agreement with you here. Those are also against the UN declaration, so these are by definition international crimes

[dense agate]

the same leap of faith arguments you make for supernatural deities... apples don't fall far away from the tree.

[elder seal]

Also, to add, 8% are of mixed background

so has some root to the area itself in some way or another in a more immediate sense.

[void arch]

how all of that justify isreal legitmacy ?

[elder seal]

I don't know if that's a useful framing - Israel has, through its settlement policy, illegally occupied land since the 1970s. Some, like the Golan height, can be justified on foreign policy pretexts, but putting israeli settlers throughout the west bank has 0 justification; not only that, but has harvested and destroyed the economy of the west bank itself

[void arch]

same reason are applied for Palestinians

[elder seal]

Well, I've stated that both are justifiable - That's why I don't argue on basis of historical justification

becausei t will just go down to subjective value judgement

[thorny steeple]

Israel is an illegtimate child

[void arch]

bcz reasons for its establishment are not valid or legitimate

[dense agate]

The West Bank settlements are illegal, but here we are discussing Israel's right to exist as a state, which he firmly disagrees with.

[thorny steeple]

Our founder said that Israel is an illegtimate child of imperial powers

[elder seal]

Well - He can disagree with it; but as he admitted to, it eventually collapses into subjective value judgement at that point. And as subjective value judgement, it's trivial. One could argue, as minecraft does, that a state justifies itself through its monopoly on violence

legitimacy at the end of the day really isn't a strong framework

[thorny steeple]

If Zionist want that land then give spain to arabs and balkan land to turkiye

It belongs to them they were there from thousand of years

return their lands, we need our land back

[elder seal]

Imperfect framework - Arabs were not originally in Spain; Jews were originally in Palestine. Arab pressence in Palestine itself is due to the same conquest done in Spain.

[manic juniper]

Turks still live in the Balkans though

Not only their country is partially in the Balkans but there are Turkic people in the rest of the Balkans

[thorny steeple]

Wrong, Jews werent also there, they migrated their.

[elder seal]

Specifically - Conquest of Spain occurred through the 9th century due to a visigothic civil war. Same period wherein Arabs gained the Palestinian area, which was previously known as 'Judea' prior to Hadrian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah ?

The idea of them coming from Egypt is also problematic - Jews themselves has very clear genetic lineage to local cananites

[thorny steeple]

you are taking information from wikepedia amazing

good luck to your research

[elder seal]

They've got historical sources 🤷🏻‍♂️

[void arch]

Palestinian are also te origin ppl of that land

[static pivot]

Israel 😳

[thorny steeple]

so you are another Zionist here

[elder seal]

You're correct - But that returns to my statement that genetics would not be a justification. The university of Tel Aviv did a significant genetic research on these population: the jewish population, lebanese and Palestinians are all of cananite background

[thorny steeple]

its a war against soul of arabs and muslim

[static pivot]

No

Its a war between Israel and Palestine

simples

[elder seal]

Not when Israel attacks Syria unprovoked

[thorny steeple]

Its a war against soul of Islam

[static pivot]

Syria is dangerous to them

[void arch]

it s occupation not equal war

[static pivot]

[elder seal]

Syria gave Israel several concessions, Vivek. Israel has the golan height which is a buffer zone for this exact reason - The current government permitted Israel to keep it

[static pivot]

True that

@elder seal canada talks about the atom bomb

They need it to protect themselves from trump

atleast this is wat they said

[elder seal]

Why are you changing the subject to trump 😭

[static pivot]

Because

Its the new interesting development

😺

@thorny steeple are you israeli?

[static pivot]

also I've done my trolling part

☠️

[elder seal]

noticed

[dense agate]

natives of a place is really just a matter of timeline.

[void arch]

I noticed that ur contradicting urself here as from the beginning posing many historical reasons for the validation of isreal existence while ur acknowledging that they are irrelevant and subjective ,so basically as Isreal existence based on those Historical justification ,is no longer legitimate. and if we should abide to the present day ,nobody should blame Hama** for their actions.

[void arch]

so immigrant Jews shouldn't establish isreal?

[elder seal]

You're not exactly noticing a contradiction. My point is that justification one way or another would be arbitrary and subjective; it's essentially that if we are to take a hard historical line, we'll either claim none or both has a right to exist. That's the point I've made in the discussion I had with flare as well. That there's very little sound reasoning outside of value judgement

[dense agate]

They can, migration is part of human history.

[void arch]

but do u think immigration and colonialism is the best way to establish right to exist ?

[manic juniper]

Unironically yes

[spice pivot]

hello, does any1 know any alternative for c.ai

[void arch]

ok ,nobody should blame immigrants if take over ur country one day

[manic juniper]

Most countries are either people who managed to gain independence or the original people were mostly replaced by someone else

[elder seal]

I think this is committing a 'begging the question' fallacy. The right to exist justification for Israel is found in its past; and that's its reasoning for existence and service as an ideological justification - To Israelies, Israel as a 'reclaimation' of their state from foreign colonizers, in this case Arabs. In a way, the argument you're using is used against Palestine too

[void arch]

do u think this is a consistent coherent justification ? bcz when others start reclaiming their lost lands, the door for double standards should be closed .

[elder seal]

My point is that both could argue this position and in a way the only justification would be by adding additions unto it. It doesn't matter what I think. From a purely logical perspective, all these justifications can and are used as a source of legitimacy. I've already stated prior that that's why they fail rhetorically. Because once confronted by a firm believer in the opposite, the other fails.

[stable edge]

Yoo hi How are you..

[void arch]

i think it is stupid to use the statement ''I used to live here'' as justification for establishing right of state existence or self determination.

and i think it leads to chaos

[elder seal]

Well - Doesn't this argument also go against you now? Because your current justification for removing Israel for Palestine is "they used to live here"?

[elder seal]

I mean - I'd agree, and it did lead to chaos. But that's generally outside of our lifetime, so it's not like I can form an opinion on a historic event outside of hindsight

[void arch]

no its bcz isreal is not legitimate to begin with

as we establish it

before

[elder seal]

Well - The justification you used for why they're legitimate was that they had no right to establish themselves because "we usedto live here" isn't a justification, but then we can apply the same reasoning to Palestine? Don't see why it'd follow

I'd also note that Israel itself is predominatenly composede of local Jewish population; Mizrahi Jews. So if being a local population isn't justification for something, then that goes to the other groups too

[void arch]

Palestinians were there and still ,while large portion of isreal are immigrants, if we were going to call for state establishment at that time ill not disagree if they both find way to establish their state , but Zionists make a huge problem when initiated policy of settlements and apartheid system ,they just aggravated things more than before.

now isreal do not want to agree even on two states solution and recognizing palestine

makes sense when u say its colonialism

and total erase of a nation

[elder seal]

First statement is a bit more nuanced - Majority are either Arab or Mizrahi Jews, neither of which are really immigrants but are from the area specifically. That's 54% of the population collectively. Not accounting the Druze population who are also native to the place itself.

And you're entirely fair in opposing settlement policy. I've already noted that it's specifically are against UN law. However, opposition to settlement policy is different from opposition to the state itself - What I've noted here however is that it's the European immigrant population; Ashkenazi Jews, who oppose settlement policy - Historically as well. The irony is that the settlement policy was pursued by Likud, which is predominanty supported by Mizrahi population

[void arch]

im referring to the past

[elder seal]

Sure - Though, most of the current issues are specifically worsened through the 90s to today. From 2000-2015 there was a very real opportunity for peaceful settlement, which however was opposed by the Israeli powerbase in spite of 60% of the population supporting peaceful relationship with Palestinians, and Palestinians also having an equally high % doing the same

For instance, in 2002, 72% of both Israelis and Palestinians supported returning to 1967 borders

with peaceful cooperation being a clause as part of that agreement

that's a far cry from the 14% today on both sides

[void arch]

but new administration of isreal didnt want to

[elder seal]

Exactly - Likud is the party of Mizrahis as well, those were the one who often time support a more hardline foreign policy and has for a long time

If you look at the specific voting split - Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews vote right, and Ashkenazi jews vote left. That's the specific composition on ethnic lines

[void arch]

both sides are equal to me ,left side is just that boy ashamed of his father actions but can't do anything .

pretending to have mercy on kids ,but they will grow up and be terrorists , so better kill him

as many of them say

[elder seal]

I think you're overthinking that - The specific goal is not about the past, but about the present and future. Whether you like it or not, both parties found* it preferable to have a peaceful settlement that does not involve further bloodshed. That it hasn't gone that way is a historic outcome 🤷🏻‍♂️

[void arch]

peaceful settlement where?

what i said is the true mindset of the majority

more than 60% dont oppose total ethnic cleansing of Palestinians

[elder seal]

I said that was the 'desire.' There was attempts: Oslo accord, Madrid conference, 1996-99 agreement, Camp david summit, The arab peace initative of 2002-03, Annapolis conference

[thorny steeple]

Nope

[elder seal]

I can go on

[void arch]

ok, i think i have to go. nice discussion with you .Salam🤝

[void arch]

peace need justice first

[elder seal]

There was attempts at that - In 2000, Israel promised several reparations and return policies, alongside returning 91-95 % of the occupied west bank to Palestinian authorities. Arafat rejected the proposal and came with no settlement or proposal in return

There's been many attempts like this

Even if Arafat didn't agree with it - What's typically done is you come with a counter proposal that's more favorable to your side. Arafat basically came with no demand

[void arch]

regarding the reasons for this rejection. Some sources state that the proposal did not meet core Palestinian demands, particularly concerning the status of Jerusalem and the right of return for refugees. so that attempt didn't address fundamental issues

[void arch]

there is debate on this

[elder seal]

Sure - But what you typically do is come with a counter proposal. All initial proposals are negotiable, they just set the starting poind. If Israel was willing to give broad concessions like that, it's easily argued own - The entire proposal however would collapse in 2001 when Likud came to power

[elder seal]

This is what I am reading:

Arafat rejected this offer and did not propose a counter-offer.[38][39][40] No tenable solution was crafted which would satisfy both Israeli and Palestinian demands, even under intense U.S. pressure.[38] Clinton blamed Arafat for the failure of the Camp David Summit.[38][40]

[void arch]

that's the problem

[elder seal]

Well, not proposing a counter offer is always a problem in negotiations. If a car salesman wants to sell you a car for 110k, you should try and argue him down to 80 by starting from 60

much the same occurs in diplomacy

[void arch]

what do u think it s trivial for u is very fundamental for Palestinians.

(statue of Jerusalem, return of refugees..ect)

[elder seal]

Again - Israel started at 110k, Arafat refused to argue it down to 80k. The outcome is that Israel keept the car - That's a metaphor, but one that essentially is my point. You say these are 'fundamental,' yet he didn't come with a counter-offer. If they're fundamental to Palestinians, why'd he not do it?

[void arch]

altho ,Palestinian positions and alternative ideas were conveyed during the negotiations.
There are also sources that indicate that some counter proposals where given, but that they where not deemed acceptable.

[elder seal]

you can argue arafat is foolish for not doing it - and that'd be fine, but saying that 'there's nothing to negoatiate' when Israel has the car is arrogant

[elder seal]

I've yet tosee any of those - I'm going by what's available 🤷🏻‍♂️

[void arch]

its up to them ,i cant decide anything.

[elder seal]

Well, it's up to no one now. It's about 23 years ago

[elder seal]

Context?

[shy summit]

He thought we were spending millions on “Trans Mice.”

[elder seal]

Who's "He"? Elon? Trump?

[shy summit]

In that instance both

[elder seal]

That's funny

[shy summit]

They are functionally retarded

[elder seal]

think in this instance "ignorant" would qualify - Don't think the average person, even academic, knows what transgenic is unless they work in genetics or biology

or at least have an interest. Though, assuming it's "transgender" is actually stupid

[shy summit]

When you want to cut funding to a program you should at least know what the program is

They saw the letters t r a n s and mice and their peanut brains took over

[void arch]

9m for promoting lgbt in Lesotho, in a country nobody knows! ah moment

[shy summit]

Where the fuck is Lesotho and why does it sound like the name of a Lesbian resort

[elder seal]

Agreed - Granted, some of the cases I've heard does justify cut-funding. Like a program for serbia to advance diversity and inclusion

[void arch]

it s in South Africa

[elder seal]

The State Department’s Office of the Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs also offered around 70k USD to finance "a live musical event to promote the U.S. and Irish shared values of diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility"

[shy summit]

They might as well say the N-Word in place of “DEI” cause thats what they mean

[elder seal]

Like, I'm sorry - But some of these projects are just outright waste of public finances

[shy summit]

DEI to these people just means The N-Word

when they fire them for dei its always minorities

Then they put unqualified white men in their place

[elder seal]

DEI just raises inequality on class basis anyways - Not exactly sure why you're fixation so much on it

Even if it mitigates racial inequality

Good for business though - So I guess that's an argument in favor of it.

https://www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2024/k-November-2024/Diversity-equity-and-inclusion-not-bad-for-business 🙂‍↕️

Reminds me of a study looking at groups composed of people of diverse backgrounds; politically (right and elft) gender (man and woman) and race. Often-time it improves group performance because it increases focus on what's shared (the job) instead of on things trivial to the work

[shy summit]

Exactly

But the Wheel Weaves as The Wheel Wills

So fuck minorities apparently

[elder seal]

Specifically - Affirmative action programs in university is my primary thought here. The book "no longer separate, not yet equal" goes into this. The book is one of those books that does that thing where it proves a point that's not "culturally accepted" but still proves a position. Specifically, it actually proves the mismatch hypothesis and then goes on to ignore it as if it didn't just make that conclusion - which is weird

[shy summit]

At least you get it unlike some racist shits I run into ☺️

[elder seal]

I'm very objective minded 😭 I've no problem necessarily with DEI, though I don't think you should apply it universally. Some times it results in counterintuitive results. Some research on diversity hiring in police office shows that it raises discrimination agaisnt african americans; ironically, black and hispanic cops are more likely to pull over african americans than white ones are. Likely due to reduced threat or accountability from abuse of power

In case of teachers, where there's more women teachers, earlier soruces were afraid that it'd result in discrimination against male students hence worse performance; though there's no evidence that male students do better under male professors vs. female, as was assumed early on in the research

So, DEI initiatives shouldn't be applied universally; inclusive bureaucracies work in some situations, not all.

[shy summit]

Tbf you have other issues among police

Bigger ones like higher rates of spousal and child abuse and pedophilia.

[elder seal]

Domestic abuse is largely down to workplace stress and lack of proper care. Emotional regulation breaks down when you're fearful of getting shot on the daily - I'd say the lack of accountability plays a role here too, police unions for instance

[elder seal]

Also, ages ago i read about this - sadly i can't find any of the sources. There was also a specific book i had in mind

forgot its name - think it was 'inclusive bureaucracy' but unsure

Argh - Representative bureaucracy was the name

Here's the study i read ages ago:

Scholars have recently begun to look at other types of agencies such as law enforcement. Meier and Nicholson-Crotty (2006) examine the relationship between the gender of police officers and sexual assault reports and arrests. The study finds that police forces with larger numbers of female officers file more sexual assault reports and make more sexual assault arrests. Wilkins and Williams (2008) examine the relationship between passive and active representation using race and racial profiling in police departments. Their study finds that increasing Black police officers increases racial disparity in vehicle stops. They argue socialization within police departments may hinder the translation of passive into active representation. The authors call for more qualitative data in this area to better understand these findings.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0095399712459724

Interesting, i did find a follow up, that this effect is inverted if the proportion is large enough https://www.jstor.org/stable/26648231?seq=1

[chrome acorn]

Yes brother?

@thorny steeple

[feral river]

You son of a

Wiat

You are not talking about me lmao

My bad

[feral river]

You know the USAID spend billions on promoting DEI stuff right ?

DEI means Diversity, Equality, Inclusive

They spend billions on leftism values

So what’s the reason of trump or elon should not cut it all

Since this does not apply with the interest for majority of american people and national interest

And it also includes some weird stuff like, spend a random billion to somewhere like Africa to promote democracy and equality ?

That’s pure wasting taxpayers money

And with no actual benefit in return to the US

I’m not saying these stuff are bad something, but it is none of you guys’ business

And it is bad, for Trump administration.

The most important reason I believe

[shy summit]

You know it saves us billions more in the long run right?

[thorny steeple]

What should I do to change my life just wants to be financially free and someone who can take care of me

[unique light]

f*ck off pal

You guys are the threat to the whole world. What are you even proud of? What superpower are you talking about?

[thorny steeple]

Is there anyone who can help me

[keen moon]

marry a rich man and all your problems will be solved

[thorny steeple]

Bro I'm a boy

I want to stand on my own legs

Show me road map

[keen moon]

than marrying a rich woman or accepting this compromise

I can't help you anymore

[real monolith]

Work? Study?

[thorny steeple]

Rich woman no i can't where I'm gonna find

[thorny steeple]

Trim it down what an exact plan to find financial freedom

[real monolith]

You should do that first cuz it’s broad af

[thorny steeple]

What should I say now

Millions problem one solution money

[keen moon]

so then you first move to find that place and move there

[shy summit]

@steel void pls don’t advertise

[prisma cipher]

You little evil aschole, you made a mistake, and don't even have the courage to apologize!

and now you're sitting there, hiding in your mini-world, pretending you don't hear anything, you make me sick

[unique light]

shut up Neyro

[prisma cipher]

Blocked

[unique light]

okay

good

[gritty lynx]

@faint wasp where?

[prisma cipher]

@unique light unblocked

[unique light]

🙏

[feral river]

what ? From where ?

[feral river]

Not you, cuz you live in a puppet state of a superpower

[unique light]

I live in Ireland

in a neutral country

[feral river]

Okay, be neutral, and we will see if other guys would be neutral on you

[unique light]

We are neutral

[feral river]

Okay good good

Can’t believe this crap you think you are neutral so we can’t do anything on you

And you have no power on the global stage

[unique light]

We have yet to receive an F 16 from America or something so you'd better be scared. We are a feckin' military superpower. Up the Irish!

[feral river]

Okay, pay the bill of US military bases

Maybe double the price, in the future

[unique light]

We ain't got enough money to pay for anything

[unique light]

But China isn't an ally of the U.S...

[feral river]

Bro

It’s you think you are ally of the US

You are a puppet of the US

A puppet under military direct intervention

[prisma cipher]

Why you can't be neutral citizen

[unique light]

Do you have some kind of 'small dick' syndrome? Why are you screaming about being a superpower every single time? No wonder people like you would vote for Trump if they were American

[unique light]

I guess I am not

[feral river]

Why tf a random minor state would claim he would afford everything for stay alive with a superpower and be proud of it ?

[unique light]

I guess I am not a neutral citizen

[feral river]

How does that make sense

[unique light]

But what I am saying is we are neutral

and the U.S. is an ally of Ireland

[feral river]

Who tf cares

[feral river]

Why you are not saying universe is an ally of Ireland

US is your master nation, you call them allies

[unique light]

Why are you screaming about being a superpower every single time?

[feral river]

Lmao

[feral river]

Cuz ur nothing with little power

That’s the truth

[faint wasp]

Yo

[unique light]

Most Americans have Irish ancestry... They are sons and daughters of the Irish who came there hundreds of years ago during the famine

[feral river]

They do give a shit ?

[unique light]

Biden has ancestors from Co. Mayo

[feral river]

Say it by yourself, do you think they give a shit ?

[feral river]

What the fuck you are even talking about

[unique light]

Apparently they do, considering how many Americans tell the Irish that they are digging down to their roots and that they are 4% Irish, meaning they went back home to Ireland

[feral river]

By that logic, we have millions of people in california, so can they be part of us ?

Lmao

[unique light]

Well I guess those don't like China

Americans love Ireland trust me

[feral river]

THIS WAS SO FUCKED

[unique light]

I mean... I like Americans

they are funny

[feral river]

They don’t give a shit to you guys

That’s it

[unique light]

Okay

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[manic juniper]

No

[quasi needle]

DEI is just a buzz word so the magats don’t have to say slurs, it has no meaning anymore

mandation is unruly, true DEI means accessibility

its false that the majority don’t support it, 74-82% of americans favor LGBTQ protection laws, which is what true DEI is

[thorny steeple]

people like to pretend virtues than to be virtuous

[stable edge]

Hi how are you ?

[thorny steeple]

No one

[jolly agate]

What is wrong with that

[thorny steeple]

It is difficult to predict improvements in lies

[jolly agate]

Elaborate

please

[thorny steeple]

my English is too rusty to elaborate

[mental wing]

Hello, may i have a serious conversation with any of these people here.

[jolly agate]

ehh

Just say something you want to get critiqued on

Or reply to something

[knotty chasm]

About?

[knotty chasm]

Are you from ireland?

[wintry yacht]

O

[lime cobalt]

Anti homeless architecture in the USA, what would you say about it? It even affects everyone, imagine there are no benches at the station

This shows that power must be separated from religion and even morality.

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/autism-creature-autism-yippee-yippee-creature-tbh-creature-gif-13973309825992112839

[rich wyvern]

I am very serious.

[ancient kraken]

Haha JazakAllahu khairan it made me smile

[junior obsidian]

FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸

[thorny steeple]

how serious,tell you a fun fact that in history ,If Japan didn’t invade China, Chinese communist party could have never developed and eventually taken political power,It is due to Japan’s help that Chinese communist party are able to meet there in Beijing

[shy summit]

One more thing we can blame anime for

[tulip zenith]

is this real chat?

"we're fighting to reveal his message" wtf

bro sounds like the obsessive ex of somebody

it's just critical when it comes to elon musk

lmao

the worst thing is he has more "pages" dedicating to attack trump's government

i'm not against freedom speech but this overpass it

it seems like an attack more than other thing

LMAOOOO, where did you get that conclusion? sycophant lmao

i'm just saying my point of view

it seems somebody cannot stant id

that question look a little backhanded

i do, but i was not talking about it

i just say that "periodic" seems a little unbalanced

i not agree with most of the trump's action

i'm mexican dude

i invited you to search about him, most of the reports that he makes are against trump

lmao, now i know why you're acting in that way

i'm not defending him

Lmao, can you say he is worst than biden?

idk i'm not E.UU citizen, but something is clear, he is doing better than biden

from my perspective and that's my opinion

lmao

my feelings: https://www.al.com/news/2025/02/is-trump-doing-better-than-biden-did-heres-what-the-latest-presidential-poll-shows.html

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2025/02/is-trump-better-than-biden-new-polling-answers-the-question.html

there are more feelings

come on

i'm not saying he is the greatest president, but you seem having a certain inclination lol

as i said before idk, i'm not euu citizen

i'm not focusing on that shit couse i dont fucking care

[tulip zenith]

lmao somebody don't know to read

it seems you too

this is from 2024 and it seems not getting down LOl

as i said mtf i dont fucking know, i just said a fucking opinion, what of that cannot you understand?

conflict managment maybe?

are you mad now? lmao chill out dude, this chat it's to argue, not to insult

LMAO when did i say that I'm trump's cheerleader?

XDDD

can you affirm biden's government was better than the actual?

[thorny steeple]

Idiot?! Serious?

[tulip zenith]

getting into two wars that not belongs to you sounds worst to be honest lmao

don't reflect yourself pls

[thorny steeple]

can we debate without offending?

[sonic lion]

You sound like ben shapiro

I don’t watch him and I agree with you
It just reminds me of his famous line or some sht

However I watch people I disagree
I think I’m addict to stress

[tulip zenith]

how much money had biden's government spend in Ukrania war? or did you forget the thousand of dollars he has already burned out in the Palestinian war? dude i'm not saying as i said in repetitive occasion that i agree with trump, but on MY perspective he is doing better than other ones

[thorny steeple]

another attack

[sonic lion]

Exactly
He’s being aggressive for no reason

[thorny steeple]

He just need smile

[sonic lion]

Calling people idiots will not change their mind

[tulip zenith]

the hate invaded your soul dude

[sonic lion]

Just be honest and learn to talk like a human being

[thorny steeple]

Exactly

[tulip zenith]

that war didn't belong to euu, i'm not agree with wars in general lmao

[thorny steeple]

Finally, hope for this world

[lethal sparrow]

also, please don't say stupid things. trump wants to flatten gaza and the Palestinian people and turn the area into a giant casino.
but you probably didn't know that, did you?
this was posted by donald trump's official instagram account while he is a sitting president.

[tulip zenith]

it seems biden burned out his money like you with your brain

[sonic lion]

Same to you man 🤝

[tulip zenith]

lmao, how many times do i have to say that i'm not interested in what happends to euu or its actions. lmao

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-catstor-gato-castor-cerebrito-sabiondo-gif-12002557139688614332

[sonic lion]

“I’m smarter than you”
“Look how intelligent I am”
“You’re not as bright as I am”

[last yoke]

Not in the USA though affected too by the anti-homeless architecture. Just another manifestation of reprehension/oppression and late capitalism.

[tulip zenith]

no, i didn't and im not interested in wasting my time with you, it will be more enjoyable if you were kind and respectful but you seems you're not

brainwashed

keep enjoying your mental illness while you can

can you show me where i said that?

shittalker

well i'm learning right now lmfao, isn't it supposed this server is about?

yes i'm aware, did i say i agree with that? lmfao

what are you trying to get? lmfao obviously no

[thorny steeple]

@lethal sparrow you love drugs cartels?

Trump is based.

[last yoke]

Shame dude... As a latin american you were not supposed to support any form of imperialism

[thorny steeple]

And you are stupid

[tulip zenith]

btw you never answered my question about who's better, if trump or biden, but nevermind, you're not interested in that

[tulip zenith]

and i'm not

[thorny steeple]

Against drugs cartels? Yes

[tulip zenith]

no, that's not against drugs cartels, it's an invasion, something that i disagree with

keep smiling while you are burning out your last neuron @lethal sparrow

surveys says other thing 😳

nah, you burned it since you started to insult lmao

[sonic lion]

Oh god

[tulip zenith]

yh fr keep speculating, future will says it

what a mess guy

[torpid dirge]

Is there any link between schizophrenia and narcissism personalty?

[sonic lion]

I don’t even know what @tulip zenith’s point is, all he does is respond to insults. You’re not even letting the guy make his arguments properly by constantly attacking him

[tulip zenith]

this cannot be called as an "argue"

@sonic lion you didnt see the firsts messages lmao

[sonic lion]

What made you think that?

[lethal sparrow]

it's not speculation. you're just uninformed. trump's already signed executive actions moving these pieces into place.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/insurrection-act-president-trump-20201819.php

[sonic lion]

I don’t even see you constructing points

[tulip zenith]

why do i need a point if i'm not defending some one?

the only thing i did was giving an opinion, opinion that you can see

[sonic lion]

If you don’t even have a point why are you arguing?

[tulip zenith]

he started insulting and attacking

[sonic lion]

I know man

[torpid dirge]

Becoz there's no empirical particular evidence to prove that true that's why ....

[tulip zenith]

lmao, i was defending myself

he started attacking me

is it wrong to defend myself?

[last yoke]

Basically a coup

[sonic lion]

That’s an interesting point. Do you mean neurological evidence?

[tulip zenith]

i don't need to translate it, but as i said i'm not gonna waste my time on something that i'm not interested shit-talker

comprehension skills -1000

@lethal sparrow https://www.betterhelp.com/get-started/?go=true&utm_source=AdWords&utm_medium=Search_PPC_c&utm_term=online+therapist_b&utm_content=158784881654&network=g&placement=&target=&matchtype=b&utm_campaign=21119027254&ad_type=text&adposition=&kwd_id=kwd-13003850&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiArKW-BhAzEiwAZhWsIKNkcCddMf9qQoqXrQdsfR4f2FeSWdlfQTAH9TR4d3-XMp8ajHI5eRoCXq4QAvD_BwE&not_found=1&gor=start take you'll need it

[manic juniper]

The only good thing about Trump is making the European left look good again, perhaps the far right wave will stop soon

[tulip zenith]

how can i lose if i never defended any point? lmfao

[sonic lion]

lmao

He talks like a teen

[tulip zenith]

lmfao

[sonic lion]

He’s could be a stephen king character ngl

[torpid dirge]

Both psychologcal and neurological but .... They're unrelated with each other.... becoz narcissism is egoistic personality disorder and schizophrenia is psychotic disorder a genetic compund... So it has to do NTG with npd ?

[tulip zenith]

what a mess

if you're not able to keep a natural conversation whitout insulting, what did i expect?

[sonic lion]

Honestly I have no idea lol I’ll have to research about it

[last yoke]

I don't think so. Europe fascism is rapidly increasing :/

[lethal sparrow]

thanks in part because of elon musk and JD Vance (trump's vice-president)
b-but muh biden!

[manic juniper]

By going after Musk the UK reform is looking worse

[manic juniper]

Idk Tesla is losing badly because of Musk's involvement in politics, I hope he gets involved more with those parties so they become irrelevant together

[sonic lion]

He seems to put his self worth into hierarchy, not realizing how knowledge is constructed socially.
When you view your own intellect as a value, you’ll essentially feel like a fraud, always on the verge of being caught out, like dfw said

So assuming everyone as stupid seems like an easy way out

[torpid dirge]

Yeah it's okay but some illiterate people were trying to prove me wrong.....with that assertion they said Ur not psychologist? I mean that doesn't make sense even ...

[last yoke]

Dude your ideology is an insult in itself... It hurts and kills people

[tulip zenith]

what ideology lmao

[thorny steeple]

Your not?

[sonic lion]

You don’t need to be one to think about how knowledge is constructed, we’re all just talking here

[tulip zenith]

where did you get i have an "ideology", where is that so-called ideology?

dont wanna sound pretentious, its awful

[torpid dirge]

Even there's a name blueberry she was trying to encounter my grammar mistakes instead of getting into what I want to say ....

[sonic lion]

In the marxist sense, it’s the narrative that institutions construct and reproduce in order for the system to continue being perpetuated

I don’t know if I explained properly

[tulip zenith]

who's talked about marx? lmfao

[sonic lion]

I recommend reading Althusser

[torpid dirge]

Are u sadless?

[sonic lion]

Well, Marx studied the capitalist system, so it’s part of his theory

[tulip zenith]

is that my "ideology"? cous i didn't talk about it

[tulip zenith]

but he's referring to my so-called ideology

nobody talked about him before he started

[tulip zenith]

yh

[sonic lion]

Right-wing ideology perhaps

Are you right wing?

[tulip zenith]

i'm not inclined to anything ideology

[sonic lion]

So you are

[tulip zenith]

lmao

[sonic lion]

Even if you say you’re not, you’re acting in favor of one

[thorny steeple]

Same

[last yoke]

I really think some people should learn more about history before trying to learn an other language

[tulip zenith]

idk

[tulip zenith]

read a comprehension book before talk :p

[sonic lion]

You can’t really learn a language without learning about it’s culture. It’s a halfway work

[tulip zenith]

nobody talked about marx

[thorny steeple]

Wtf?

[last yoke]

Being said that, don't feed the troll

[sonic lion]

I just said Ideology in the marxist sense bc you look in the dictionary it’s a very abroad term

But the marxist sense of ideology is more specific

And marxist doesn’t refer strictly to Marx’s work

It’s sort of a tradition of thinking that starts with him, but doesn’t end w him

[bleak nacelle]

hahaha

[thorny steeple]

rich people too selfish for communism

[sonic lion]

Yea

For sure

[waxen shale]

Anyone likes to watch bojack horseman ?

[thorny steeple]

No hope for this world

[sonic lion]

I’m a pessimistic when it comes to a revolution, honestly
But somehow I have some hope for people idk

[lethal sparrow]

reminder that this was posted by donald trump's official instagram account as commander-in-chief
but go ahead and let's talk about how bad biden was instead

[thorny steeple]

People fight for nothing

[thorny steeple]

Biden cheerleader

[tulip zenith]

somebody didn't read this

[sonic lion]

It’s not that you’re wrong bro it’s just the way you communicate your ideas repels ppl

[sonic lion]

They fight for who they love tho

[thorny steeple]

Politics?

[sonic lion]

I’m talking in general

[thorny steeple]

It's dark future

[sonic lion]

Yea but it’s not a total waste

[last yoke]

Do you care about palestinians?

[tulip zenith]

i care about everyone

[thorny steeple]

You don't care about Israel civil?

[tulip zenith]

proofs? i didnt say that

don't invent things

[last yoke]

Really? It seems not

[tulip zenith]

i invite you to search in my message history, you'll not find something about that

[tulip zenith]

why does it seem not?

and he deleted the mesage LMFAOOOO

[sonic lion]

That’s turning into a court instead of a debate

[tulip zenith]

NAH DUDe

[sonic lion]

Serious chat vs Awesome

[tulip zenith]

lmfao

[last yoke]

For sure. Though it is not israelis diying without food nor water

[tulip zenith]

keep delating msg come on

[last yoke]

Which side shelled schools? Uni? Hospitals?

[thorny steeple]

just for terrorism

[sonic lion]

Is it a competition

[lethal sparrow]

this guy would be singing "trump gaza, shining bright, golden future, a brand new light" and dancing on the graves of the Palestinian people lmao

[tulip zenith]

btw most of your msg were deleted, why?

[thorny steeple]

@last yoke why choice how live or die

[tulip zenith]

keep making nonsense ideas in your head, at least that the only thing you can

[thorny steeple]

@last yoke war it is not game

[tulip zenith]

you deleted most of your msg, even when you were sure you wasn't wrong

[sonic lion]

Enough discord for the week

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[last yoke]

Of course not***! It is a massacre! Palestine was never a real threat to Israel.

[tulip zenith]

if you cannot stand your own msg

what can i expect of you, a reasonable debate?

[waxen shale]

You might be lagging,dumbass

[tulip zenith]

who

[waxen shale]

Me

You ?

They ?

[last yoke]

It seems he is more concerned about the imperialism against Mexico

[waxen shale]

I mean i shouldn't have expected you to understand who.

[lethal sparrow]

*"b-but biden was worse...." 😢 *

[last yoke]

It is not a war man, it is a massacre

[tulip zenith]

get a comprehension book pls

[thorny steeple]

Civil massacre

[tulip zenith]

there are many ppl

[thorny steeple]

@last yoke but you don't care

[last yoke]

Trump is literally dreaming about turning Gaza into a giant hotel

[thorny steeple]

defense against terrorism attack

Hamas it's no good massagem for world

[last yoke]

Defense? Do you really call that "defense"?

Only dust remaing in Gaza

[thorny steeple]

What's your plan?

[tulip zenith]

the worst thing is he treats everyone in that way, I'm not able to imagine how you treat your own family, I cannot even imagine how your own family can stand someone like you, a narcissist that cannot even hold a fucking conversation without attacking and insulting other's opinion, keep thinking you're good while you're cool while you can.

[last yoke]

My plan is to not destroy an entire state

[thorny steeple]

My plan don't make terrorism

Hamas no is good for Palestinian massage

[last yoke]

Though you and other psychopath will - for sure - stand with the idea of destruction of Gaza

[tulip zenith]

blocking opinions that are against your lack of logic, keep doing these things and you'll get close, you're mere existence is an insult to human evolution, it's supposed that we are able to resonate, now i'm able to see that evolution skipped somebody, and there must be a good reason for it.

[thorny steeple]

fear make people stay away your cause

@last yoke get out bubble

Just make nothing no is solution

No just good and bad

[last yoke]

Anyone could do a google and see how harmful is the racist policy of Israel... They want the fear, not me...

[thorny steeple]

Good idea attack civil

[last yoke]

Ok man you win

[thorny steeple]

I never insult anyone

@lethal sparrow you hate Trump but people like u make he win

[bleak nacelle]

I'm just an observer here but bro, you're so cringe xD

[lime cobalt]

dude just chill down, Keep on track, no need for personal insults, just provide a counter argument.

[tulip zenith]

youre both lmao

[bleak nacelle]

Bro would open a glass door to see what's on the other side

[lime cobalt]

easy now !! were not fight to death here wtf

[plush crown]

tf

[feral river]

Waste money and spreading leftism propaganda make people more radical over time and that’s not true

And most important one, America’s supreme leader Trump doesn’t like it

And it will be totally down under Trump

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bwci7o8ymQ

[feral river]

Yeah you are right those terrorists are massacring Israelis

[static pivot]

Joe Rogan can communicate with gods

[feral river]

Which one

😂

[static pivot]

All

[bleak pasture]

Why so serious

[main bison]

Guyzooo
According to chatgpt Tokyo is the best city in the entire world following by NYC , Paris , and london

[slender yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/understanding-everything-trs-allahabadia-ranveer-beerbiceps-gif-7750023296478241713

[thorny steeple]

Hey everyone

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J6LepeHNPts

our egg, oil, and other necessities prices still remain the same ?

I can't tell a difference of the price tags on these necessities between the past and now in here lol

and we got the most tariffs

[static pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ae-murkh-apni-chhavi-sudhar-india's-got-latent-samay-raina-show-latent-india-latent-gif-10194878756981643643

[slender yoke]

LMAOO

[trim veldt]

For Government,Police, Politicians, Kattar Hindu's, Latent disscssion in more important than this big issue..

[thorny steeple]

Typical.

[static pivot]

Jail samay

[trim veldt]

Self Claimed Kattar Hindu: Samay aur Ranveer ko jaan se mardo..

Aur inko koi nahi marega.

[echo jewel]

Hi guys

What are you talking about?

[static pivot]

lifetime jail

[static pivot]

Ignore that

@trim veldt don't post those things

Just important ones

[trim veldt]

Are tujhe dikhane send kiya.m

[static pivot]

Okay English tho

That wasn't important

Let's talk about Ranvir and samay

[trim veldt]

Let's boycott Ranveer show

[static pivot]

Yes

Beerbicep boycott

And the next important thing is

Cancel fake IIT baba

[trim veldt]

Samay is Anti national

[static pivot]

Spreading shits in the name of hinduism

[static pivot]

definitely

[trim veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-marley-420-gif-18196824

[static pivot]

@trim veldt send me your QR scanner

I'll send you 6 rupees

[trim veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/oddkast-bt-nicholas-john-stabile-qr-gif-19954337

[thorny steeple]

Man making the daily bread

[upper peak]

Yess point ! 😂 💯

[static pivot]

@upper peak do you guys use upi?

[upper peak]

Yeah we can.. but not me yet.

[static pivot]

What's the exchange rate of nepali rupay vs rupee

[upper peak]

1 Nepalese Rupee is
0.62 Indian Rupee.

[scarlet basalt]

1 Indian Rupee is
0.62 Nepalese Rupee.

[stable edge]

Hello yall , someone wanna chat? just chill friends

[vital plume]

Yo

[prisma cipher]

Good friends, so happy

[thorny steeple]

Sup

[prisma cipher]

Hey

[thorny steeple]

How you doing bro

[verbal torrent]

What is this meeting for

[prisma cipher]

No idea, new plan how to get a lot of weapon or something. I mean piece plan

[verbal torrent]

Ic ic

[trim veldt]

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[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDCGxVRh42g

lmao musk fanboys

[thorny steeple]

[upper peak]

Ooh , what the heck is this again iit Baba??🙄🙄

Don't do this kind of nonsensical!!!😑😑😑

There is a saying that once dhongii is always a dhongii 👏👏😂😂🤣

[thorny steeple]

Anugya

[upper peak]

Haan yesss

[hot venture]

@upper peak that's a beautiful sounding name. What does it mean?

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/china-scream-if-you-love-china-scream-if-you-love-country-brock-lesnar-gif-4232401349897427919

[thorny steeple]

tell me who are the peiople who hates you

[thorny steeple]

Nobody hates me

[hot venture]

Fake news!! I don't hate you.

[thorny steeple]

why you hate chinese people

[thorny steeple]

I see that’s good news

[thorny steeple]

Only Chinese nationalist

[hot venture]

I no hate chinese. China is cool in its own way

[thorny steeple]

I am curious,How much do you know about Chinese people and politics stuff @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

I have chinese friends ik from them. my first partner was chinese

its like I spend most time with chinese, idk much about internal matters or politics in china

[thorny steeple]

really

[thorny steeple]

yes i have long friendship with chines epeople only not with any other

[upper peak]

It's a Sanskrit driven name , meaning 'authority' or 'priority'.

[thorny steeple]

What do think about Chinese government

[cedar bridge]

Can I think none

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple would you consider living in mainland china

[thorny steeple]

[feral river]

are you a Chinese or not

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y7O1YfEKHWs

next is the Europe

Make America Great Again, now it's Make Canada Great Again

then dissolve the EU, Make Germany Great Again, then France, Italy, etc.

[prisma cipher]

Every country can't be great at the same time. America isn't great, those times is over. But America gonna be different.

[outer nest]

@thorny steeple why are you Muslim?

[mystic bay]

[manic juniper]

What's the point of dissolving the EU

[thorny steeple]

china has blocked western media,it is more benefit than cons? What would Chinese people think about this case? They’re fine with it

They’re okay the fucking low interest while using a vpn

[slender coral]

What is bro saying?

[outer nest]

You are chinese?

[prisma cipher]

They unitedly anty Russia, so I prefer it being dissolve. Why he wanna dissolve, I have no idea. The same I don't understand, why he support Trump.

[thorny steeple]

They are just fine, if they hate Islam and Muslims then we arent good to go with govt, but as much as I know they like our ocuntry alot

[shy summit]

The fuck is this shit

“Anti-DEI” in this regard is LITERALLY just discrimination

[ancient mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/death-puss-in-boots-door-gatito-lobo-gif-27616937

Dead chat

[thorny steeple]

@feral river the Great Firewall of China has both pros and cons,but on ther other hands it would be more beneficial to chinese people? if china set up free vpn in some major cities? which can boost Economic benefits? access more information and Chinese Companies with Global Operations ,Hinders innovation, instead of stuck to the low internet while using a vpn, i think Nowdays most of Chinese people do know what a Vpn is usually among yonger generations.

[thorny steeple]

because do you like this minecraft guy?

[thorny steeple]

i am not gay thanks

[thorny steeple]

this dude may change china i guess

[thorny steeple]

do you like opinions

[thorny steeple]

then I will be turned away from china

[thorny steeple]

In china are most guys like him?

[thorny steeple]

i do not know

[thorny steeple]

you live in china you must know it'

[thorny steeple]

know what?

i do not have powers

[thorny steeple]

i can tell you about my country peopleliving here

why cant you tell me about your people

[thorny steeple]

what are you talking about

[thorny steeple]

do people in china are same like this guy or this is the only one?

[thorny steeple]

what is wrong with Mimecrcraft guy?

[thorny steeple]

he hate islam, he hates muslim, he hates eeryone except chinese

[thorny steeple]

nah all chinese are same dude, there is no guarantee with nationality

we are unique like everyone else

[thorny steeple]

if everychinese become like him then no one iwll friends with chinese

biologically speaking,All humans share 99.9% of their DNA, The 0.1% difference is what makes each person unique

[thorny steeple]

no doubt, i doubt he must be alien then

[thorny steeple]

then there are good people and bad epople

[trim veldt]

I am not a dhongi check my bio

[thorny steeple]

humans can be an evil and angel at the same time,regardless of whatever shit ethnicity and race

[thorny steeple]

absolutely correct

[muted patio]

True dude

[fleet vault]

I (16M) am unsure about my feelings for her. Sometimes I think it is simply natural attraction, but I do not view her in an objectifying manner as I do when feeling lustful. There is something different about her, yet I am quite convinced that she does not want me in her life. I aim to move on, but whenever I see her, my thoughts falter, and my heart feels heavy. This leads me to act awkwardly, often embarrassing myself in front of her. Reflecting on these moments makes me feel regretful.
Our interactions have been limited. The most extensive conversation was when she visited my house, and we exchanged greetings. Otherwise, she typically ignores me. Despite this, there were instances where she seemed interested. For example, she asked my sister to show her my childhood photos and commented on them positively. She also inquired through my sister if I needed help with exam preparations.
Despite these moments, she began to distance herself and ignored me even more. During another brief interaction at my home, she avoided eye contact and appeared uncomfortable, which made me feel guilty. As a result, I decided to keep my distance to prevent causing her any discomfort.
Later, I sent her a friend request on Instagram, which she initially accepted but then blocked me a day later. This confirmed my belief that she did not want me in her life, so I resolved to move on. Over time, I became less preoccupied with her and adopted a negative view of our past interactions, ultimately feeling relieved to be free from the emotional burden.
However, an incident at the park reignited my feelings for her. After a year of moving on, playing football with her unexpectedly brought back those emotions. Although I recognize that she has consistently shown disinterest, my feelings remain conflicted. One part of me desires her appreciation, while another part is content with not being in a relationship due to the effort it would require.

[formal pilot]

[thorny steeple]

How're you

[upper peak]

What's on your bio ?

[upper peak]

Good sir ,
How about you?

[trim veldt]

Check my discord profile bio

[thorny steeple]

10/10 pfp lol

[upper peak]

Okay then ?
What about those you mentioned earlier is already irrelevant or manipulative towards people...

[upper peak]

Thank you ! Lol

[trim veldt]

Open the link

[thorny steeple]

Yeah no problem my friend

[upper peak]

Nahi ,
I have already read you , no thanks 🙏

[trim veldt]

I dm you proofs that i m not dhongi

[upper peak]

Okay not dhongii , but misrepresenting !
Sorry for taking wrong word , lol !

[trim veldt]

Watch the proofs

Then talk about it

[shy summit]

Inappropriate @tough ether

[trim veldt]

@upper peak what happened?

[upper peak]

Areeh , Nahi ho aap , achhe ho aap !
Thik haii ? 😀😀🙌✨

[quasi needle]

homosexuality is not leftist radical propaganda

[unique light]

What's your problem with LGBTQ people? Has anyone ever asked you to become gay? Were you asked to kiss a guy? Or what? I genuinely don't understand people who hate gays just because they're gay, without having actual reasons.

From my experience, the less educated someone is, the more they tend to hate groups like LGBTQ people, left wing, immigrants, etc. You're one of those people.

You're also one of those people who says that Russia, China, and the U.S. are the world's superpowers, but the U.S. isn't an ally of yours, and neither is Russia, even though you think they are. But what do you mean by 'superpower'? Do you mean the ability to destroy you and others instantly?

[thorny steeple]

china is a great power not superpower

china would not never be a superpower near these centuries

[unique light]

You support Trump, the guy who is revoking the legal status of 240,000 Ukrainian refugees and deporting them. Does he really think they don't contribute to the country? There's no welfare in the U.S. and they can't milk the system by sitting on benefits? These people had jobs and were building new lives in the U.S., only to be deported. Do you really support this? These people were not illegal they actually had legal status in the U.S. They didn't cross the border from Mexico, they came from Europe

Whatever this guy is doing, it's always bad for America

It's bad for everyone

It's bad for other countries, other people and all Americans

[thorny steeple]

[unique light]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-gif-9479146

[feral river]

the main function and the goal for its existence is for protecting our internet industry

[thorny steeple]

that is bullshit

[feral river]

you are bullshit

[unique light]

lmaooo

[feral river]

well if you say so, but they are

[feral river]

Trump did not stop these guys from being an LGBTQ member

[unique light]

Is this your problem with LGBTQ?

[thorny steeple]

protecting the fucking internet industry intresting, the biggest lie i have ever heard

[feral river]

Trump just did halt the progress for those so-called LGBTQ member who are actually leftists promoting their shit value all over the country

[unique light]

What do you mean by saying "shit value?"

[feral river]

literal means

[feral river]

understandable if you know nothing about economy

[thorny steeple]

70% individuals chinese people do use a vpn to access goddamn western shit dude

[thorny steeple]

understandable, domestic economy shit

[feral river]

who told you 70% ? lmao, and 90% of individuals use wechat instead of skype, facebook, instagram

70% bro you are so fucked with that number

[unique light]

don't you guys have snapchat?

[feral river]

we have our version of snapchat, we don't need an unnecessary american apps in our domestic market

and they promote their fucking shit influence our people

[unique light]

okay pal

[feral river]

that's a national security issue

[unique light]

okay

[feral river]

that means anyone who promotes anything which will likely and tend to violate the law of the PRC, would be prosecuted under the national/social security law

[shy summit]

Being queer isn’t a choice

[feral river]

he just cut off some unnecessary medicine supplies to these guys didn't he ?

[thorny steeple]

i mean they use western platforms to gain some goddamn information and outside of wall, nah just your goddamn wall dude

[feral river]

like what we have done in the mainland

[shy summit]

It was needed medication dumbass

[feral river]

oh you mean 70% of Chinese, bypassing the wall to access western medias ?

do you know how many people we have it here ?

if that's the case we already dominated every western app 🤣

[thorny steeple]

Are you gonna do a interview in Chinese street

[feral river]

this was stupid

[feral river]

you sure these are not drugs ?

[thorny steeple]

in this case 90% do not fucking use a vpn?

[feral river]

not even 5%

[shy summit]

All meds are drugs

[feral river]

lmao can't even guarantee there was 3% or even 1% of people bypassing that shit

[thorny steeple]

Everyone knows that a vpn shit, or brainwashed!

[feral river]

people who bypassing that almost all university students or some outside related individual

I can't even figure out if that count even 1% of our total population

[shy summit]

Its not about how many its about the principle

[feral river]

unnecessary to do, you can find everything in here and even better than western one

[feral river]

I mean like heroin, cocaine or some other stuff

weed like these

[cedar bridge]

When local market is saturated by local stuff, there's no need to look into foreign cultures

Sales managers, logistics, customs, banking system workers etc

[shy summit]

These are medically needed drugs not those

[cedar bridge]

Students, people who know English and understand weechat is not used commonly abroad

You literally get weechat only to talk t the Chinese

[feral river]

what if, they don't have it

[shy summit]

The drugs im talking about are medical

[thorny steeple]

that is invovled in terms of politically shit, is that good so many chinese people use a vpn, why are you still here

[verbal torrent]

Wechat blocked me

[thorny steeple]

in east Asian countries yes no one look into foreign cultures, what a joke

is not good to facilitate international business and innovation?, for some professional and international purposes in terms of ways?

[manic juniper]

What did you do

Did you mention a fictional event that allegedly took place in 1989 Tiananmen Square?

[thorny steeple]

you told about political shit maybe

[verbal torrent]

Naaah I have no idea tbh I downloaded this app just to message my Chinese friend and suddenly they blocked me

[verbal torrent]

I dont know politics

https://tenor.com/view/no-big-deal-lowkey-girl-carefree-casual-nonchalant-gif-3835219821430027902

[urban swift]

And a misogynist one

[verbal torrent]

👺

[urban swift]

Probably searched if taiwan has a visa requirement for chinese people 👀

[ancient mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/death-puss-in-boots-door-gatito-lobo-gif-27616937

[mystic bay]

[prisma cipher]

Chill girl

[ancient mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/death-puss-in-boots-door-gatito-lobo-gif-27616937

[thorny steeple]

are you professor?

afte this phd

[mystic bay]

No, just a doctor

[thorny steeple]

what is your job

researcher

[mystic bay]

No lol

I work in a chocolate shop

But I still do research on my own time

[torpid dirge]

Korean doctor 💊

[verbal torrent]

Dream job

[stable edge]

Hello how are you guyz?

[prisma cipher]

Oba, give me some

[mystic bay]

no

It's expensive

[prisma cipher]

She selling it, it not like you sit there and eat it

[verbal torrent]

I would eat

[prisma cipher]

Me too

[prisma cipher]

Give me cheapest one

[verbal torrent]

Did u make crepes for russian crepes day

[prisma cipher]

What

[verbal torrent]

Wait

I will show ya

[prisma cipher]

I don't understand expensive chocolate, it feels like they try to deceive me, all chocolate is makes from cocoa beans

[verbal torrent]

Maslenitsa

[frosty glen]

ok bro i get it ur 4'11

you dont have to say it loud

[prisma cipher]

I have something about it, wait a sec, saw it recently.

[verbal torrent]

Oke

Wtf

Not rude for ya

[prisma cipher]

@verbal torrent watch timing 4:50 she is talking about maslenica

https://youtu.be/Li4AXNaxx-A?si=7EiGXf3H1vB8xDux

[verbal torrent]

Yep yep i saw it before

[prisma cipher]

Zehra why, did you watch the movie?

[snow oracle]

Did you think it was fair that she won?

[prisma cipher]

I don't watch the movie

Can't say if it good, but my opinion, movie is lame even though I don't watch it

Maybe I change my opinion, but don't wanna watchnit

[snow oracle]

I think either Demi or Fernanda should have won, not her

[verbal torrent]

On my list

[prisma cipher]

That dude she is talking about, he is big here, big actor

[snow oracle]

in mine too

[verbal torrent]

Biiiig

[snow oracle]

Que isso tão me ignorando mermo 😭👍

[lofty field]

agree

[verbal torrent]

Whoo

Omg I thought that was italian

[lofty field]

lol is portuguesse:)

[snow oracle]

Italian? 🤣

[verbal torrent]

Yupp but they seem similar idk why

[lofty field]

ohh ok

only the letters

[snow oracle]

I've seen people confuse Portuguese with Spanish, but Italian lol

[verbal torrent]

Zehrw stlye😼

[lofty field]

same bro haha

but how they confuse russian with portuguesse? it's not even the same alphabet

oh ok, so i will see soon:)

[dapper laurel]

There is no way a person can confuse Greek with Italian

They are two completely different sounding languages

[verbal torrent]

Where are u from

Curious

Tr

[prisma cipher]

Oba homie Persian

Dorud

He is grandma police, no idea why but it makes me laugh

[uneven citrus]

wut

[balmy matrix]

wut

[thorny steeple]

wut

[bleak nacelle]

Bro got reprimanded

Imagine if bro is eloquent and the moment you hop into vc, he would unleash his proficient terminology upon you.

Bro invented English. When he makes a mistake it becomes a new grammatical rule.

Ye my brotha, wut a ye talking about

I'm sorry bro

Damn, that's crazy bro

[jolly agate]

mine*

Ok

[bleak nacelle]

[uneven citrus]

Rage bait 1 out of 10

you need the fluent role then

[bleak nacelle]

Bro speaks English

[uneven citrus]

ah

then you're fine with that one

whatever

[formal pilot]

https://media.tenor.com/gnWdA_N3VOAAAAAj/bop-bop-bop-cat.gif

[uneven citrus]

I just noticed we both made our accounts the same day

[formal pilot]

It's impossible

[uneven citrus]

check it out

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-ishowspeed-gif-1290931606264393136

[uneven citrus]

you see?

August 16 2020

crazy shi

[formal pilot]

What are the chances lol

[uneven citrus]

very low

we're in perfect sync

[formal pilot]

We should get married, that's what universe wants

Does your country allow gay marriages?

[urban swift]

Astagfirullah

[agile lantern]

not yet

just a matter of time tho

[uneven citrus]

I agree

[uneven citrus]

I think so

let's not care and just do it

[formal pilot]

Sounds good

[agile lantern]

🙏🏻

[uneven citrus]

we can just hide if needed 💀

which one is it

read more

[formal pilot]

It's a good business idea, using marriages as a legally migrating factory

[uneven citrus]

I see

[uneven citrus]

lol fr

lmao

[formal pilot]

Bro is goated

[uneven citrus]

both corny

hahhahahaha

just like that lmao

tf does that mean

I see

[jolly agate]

“There’s nowhere you can get close to me.” or “You’re nowhere near my level.”

[frosty cove]

Hey

Who wants to be my friend🙂

Bcs i wanna make friend

I added u

[native bronze]

Eh

[torpid dirge]

Are u guys kidding at serious chat ? That's not the right place to do it and kidding

[thorny steeple]

here is slowmode too

[shy summit]

Thats always the case here hun

[ancient kraken]

@thorny steeple il se passe quoi dans 6 heures ? Ajoute moi en ami si t’as un problème on parle tranquille en dm

[shy summit]

You good?

[novel comet]

If u wanna message go to bot-commands it still works

[nimble willow]

Hii

[shy summit]

Things should start settling down now

[median helm]

Me

[gloomy frost]

FUCK YOU BOT!!!! I HATE YOU!!!

[gloomy frost]

Understandable have a good day sir!!!!!!

[peak shale]

Really bruh

@amber holly

[amber holly]

RAMA

[gloomy frost]

A bot raided the server!!!

FR!

[amber holly]

I've found plenty

[peak shale]

I see

[amber holly]

Ehe

[peak shale]

It's ok

[gloomy frost]

YA!!!

[amber holly]

We will survive

[gloomy frost]

We're deap fried....😭

[peak shale]

I will make my own vc

[gloomy frost]

At least this one is good...

[frigid sapphire]

😭

[feral river]

I can be whatever I want, that’s my fucking freedom and none of your fucking business

[gloomy frost]

The server is raided and you wanna talk about this?

[feral river]

Speaking as a typical Chinese: “why you think we would be interested with some barbarians culture or something”

In mindset of a typical Chinese, all of you guys are nothing, except Chinese and China

And that’s the truth, and that’s not me