🧠｜serious-chat

[stable edge]

good what are you doin ?

[thorny steeple]

Just doing some work at the moment sadly

You up to much?

[stable edge]

No chillin only and looking for new friends

[main bison]

Where r u from

[stable edge]

Poland / Slovakia and you ?

[main bison]

Soo ur from checkslovkia

I'm from Iran

[thorny steeple]

Hindi

Everyone speaks every language possible

[thorny steeple]

I’m from of the border, Győr

[prisma cipher]

Ok than

[prisma cipher]

Oba dorud, jk I knew you Persian

[main bison]

Eh?

[prisma cipher]

Khafe sho

[main bison]

Why

[prisma cipher]

Because it all I knew in Persian

[main bison]

What's ur native language

[prisma cipher]

They say Arab

Arabic

[main bison]

Wdym they say?

[main bison]

If it's that so
اخرس

[prisma cipher]

Those curly letters looks like Persian you know

Yes yes

[main bison]

It's arabic alphabet

[waxen turtle]

Hi

[manic juniper]

Azhdar=dragon

[manic juniper]

You wrote the zero in western Arabic numeral, clearly an Arab

[verbal torrent]

Bemir

[slender coral]

Arabic is my native language, English is my second.

I really wish I learn more languages one day. I think I should learn French since I may go to Canada in the future but I don't like how the language sounds

[thorny steeple]

I speak it and agree with you 😂

[prisma cipher]

Canadian speak English

[slender coral]

Ik, afaik some of them speak French.

[prisma cipher]

Don't talk with those they are weird

[thorny steeple]

Quebecers don’t really speak ‘French’ 😂

[quiet fog]

In Quebec, people speak French. But it's a particular kind of French, with a very strange accent.

[slender coral]

If you are fluent with it I think you get more points in some immigration programs, and I may immigrate to there.

[prisma cipher]

Imagine he wasted a years for learning language and then realize it was wrong one

[slender coral]

I would do my research before making any move

[quiet fog]

That would be very funny, or not 😆

[prisma cipher]

It depends, if he going crazy it will be sad

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_b2sBjKUho

[quasi needle]

“you will feel the effects”

donald trump and jd vance proceed to have a baby rage

[manic juniper]

Zelensky was playing in survival mode ngl

[quasi needle]

to be totally honest

i think the outcome was beneficial

trump showed his true colors and europe is going to shift away from the US’ cradle

[manic juniper]

It was, he wasn't going to win anyway but he didn't provide Trump and Vance with more fuel for the fire

[quasi needle]

my country’s already raising defense spending to 100b

9b behind russia

[manic juniper]

As it should be

The royal navy must be unleashed once more

[quasi needle]

https://tenor.com/view/royal-navy-gif-879980474286601686

in an ideal world i’d want a federalized europe but everyone hates everyone

at the very least i hope there’s a joint european military

[manic juniper]

There are the basis for it

[quasi needle]

the EU & its european allies combined has twice the manpower and tanks and also having thousands more armoured vehicles, planes and helicopters than the US

IF they unified then american domination would be over

if 😔

[manic juniper]

Ideally the armies from the smaller countries would unite for the sake of efficiency until only large armies are left

[prisma cipher]

Coll

[manic juniper]

By then it's a matter of military spending, it'll be tough and time consuming but the European military will become a reality

[quasi needle]

i’ve completely given up the desire for sovereignty since every british government is incompetent

so i’ve staunchly changed to very pro EU

[manic juniper]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-30/dutch-military-merges-its-land-combat-units-with-germany

[quasi needle]

trump will make cause the end of the american century himself

[manic juniper]

This could be a good first step

[quasi needle]

https://www.eunews.it/en/2025/02/25/eu-and-uk-working-on-a-joint-fund-for-the-continents-defence/

[manic juniper]

It wouldn't surprise me if Sweden, Finland and the Baltics would merge theirs too

[quasi needle]

yeah

the main suspects are the UK and germany

france is already very supportive of it, the uk hates everything european and germany would be the ring leader (in terms of if they did it, then other countries would follow suit)

[prisma cipher]

there is only one problem why i dont believe that european aid can make an impact on the battlefield. if europe had the ability to help ukraine so well without the us, why did you wait 3 years.

[quasi needle]

europe will not actively fight the war

they’ve provided 145 billion in aid

[prisma cipher]

Why

[manic juniper]

European leadership is majority western European, they don't believe Russia is a threat

[prisma cipher]

I understand it right not seriously, why.

[manic juniper]

If it was up to Eastern Europe it would be different

[quasi needle]

they definitely do it’s just they want to avoid escalation

[prisma cipher]

Why it will be serious now, what changed

Nothing

[manic juniper]

They woke up after finding out that USA isn't on their side

[quasi needle]

they’re scared of escalation

[prisma cipher]

That is why I don't believe

[quasi needle]

europe has provided 25 billion in aid more than the US, its definitely feasible to cope without them

but we will not fight unless russia attacks us, simply because we would escalate the war and involve our armed forces and people

[prisma cipher]

And if you give the same amount weapon like USA do you will loose, you need to give more

[quasi needle]

i know

[manic juniper]

Yes we should give more

[prisma cipher]

Long story short you loose before starting

[quasi needle]

i really wish we did more but fighting the war ourselves is something unreadable

[prisma cipher]

Have fun

[quasi needle]

unfeasable*

[prisma cipher]

With a lot of tanks

[quasi needle]

russia 100% doesn’t have the guts to invade the EU

that’s a CERTAINTY

[manic juniper]

We will learn how to dish out drones from Ukrainians

[quasi needle]

any allegation of russia invading the EU and starting WW3 is NOT true

[manic juniper]

Moldova is next

[quasi needle]

the joint NATO european militaries DWARFS russias

[manic juniper]

If they ever get out of Ukraine anyway

[quasi needle]

a british comedy show explains this well

step 1. say nothing can be done to help
step 2. say something might be able to be done to help
step 3. say you’ll help
step 4. say it’s too late to help and back out

[lime cobalt]

War 3 ?? I think today's army would rather not die a stupid death.

[manic juniper]

I want to become dictator of my country and remove the no nuclear restriction from the Constitution

[lime cobalt]

Yess do it

[quasi needle]

i got it slightly wrong https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxKuL2jxzoiqiL3YMG0qjvaLb-g83h4lYy?si=4inpzr4uo3OAMI_b

[lime cobalt]

Soldiers in democratic countries will be more disloyal and nationalistic.

I'm sure of that

They join for money

[manic juniper]

Do they pay you to make nonsensical and disconnected statements

Soldiers are unloyal in countries where they make coups and establish dictatorships and juntas, like Myanmar and heck even your country Indonesia

My country has almost ⅕ of people with military background yet there are no such issues

[prisma cipher]

I'm just stunned by this man. Zelensky said that he took a loan from Britain, and the money to pay off the loan will come from frozen Russian accounts. How good it is when you always know where to get money

Dude just chilling

[manic juniper]

I don't think it's negative, a lot of Russian money has been taken from frozen assets already

In fact I'm surprised we didn't use all of them yet, there are frozen bank accounts from oligarchs in Switzerland that are of no use still

[lime cobalt]

With the influence of modernity I think those who are not loyal will leave the country. And prefer to live.

[manic juniper]

Why don't they leave then?

[prisma cipher]

We will see in future, how it works, it not their money. I don't angry or something. it's just that, money has an owner and if you don't like the owner of the money, it doesn't mean that you can dispose of it. rules either exist or they don't, if they don't exist, you don't have the right to accuse Russia breaking it.

[manic juniper]

Conscription is mandatory in my country, and you face jail time if you don't conscript

Yet no one leaves to avoid conscription

[lime cobalt]

I I mean if a country starts a stupid war

[fallow shard]

My life is ruined by it

[manic juniper]

True but in these trying times it's better to have some experience than none, finally it paid off. When was it established? Since our Constitution was made or after WW2?

[manic juniper]

Most of them are rich people, they can do fine without their money laundering in Switzerland

[prisma cipher]

I don't see rule that say you can use it in case of war or something. So it really interesting, that is why all that time they try to make something with it without really doing.

[fallow shard]

My experience might be useless if I get C papers I'll know on Tuesday

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-general-grievous-time-to-abandon-ship-leaving-time-to-leave-gif-22874851

[fallow shard]

Yes, my big fat belly eats all harmful gases

[manic juniper]

It's not a war crime so they deem it legal

[fallow shard]

I'd want to serve to the end but if my heart is saying no then I'm more than fine to get out there

[manic juniper]

The solution is known but we aren't doing much towards it, hopefully we get to live long enough for a green revolution and are able to reverse the damage done

[manic juniper]

Learn Faroese and fake being a local, tending sheep herds and growing 4 vegetables a year

[fallow shard]

That sounds fun

[manic juniper]

The biggest contributor to the world carbon emissions, USA, isn't part of the Paris Climate Accords anymore, other countries aren't really meeting their climate goals in time

[prisma cipher]

But that dude zelensky he literally say we take a loan, money Britain take from Russian money he think he is superstar or something without doubt.

Sad he doesn't care about people either

[manic juniper]

Twice, they left it again this year I think

Actually they didn't but it's planned

||Trump||

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately it's impossible to avoid hurting common people with sanctions

No there were genuine intentions
Countries that invested in renewables are benefitting from them, they are more reliable and cheaper than nuclear

India, Pakistan and Romania benefitted for example

Now that the EU was forced to become more energy independent it will increase renewables too
And China is doing the same because they don't have a lot of oil and gas at their disposal

[prisma cipher]

Not joking after 10 pack of sanctions don't listen what they are about. A lot of companies turning back

[manic juniper]

It might be for bad reasons, but they are doing the right thing in time

What do you mean

It really wasn't, everyone was invited to participate

While USA withdrew and Iran never agreed on it most other countries were on the same page, although they didn't fulfill their goals but that has nothing to do with being first or third world

[restive zodiac]

Hi

[manic juniper]

There are multiple solutions and advancements being made but also parties working against it and the situation is worsening

We aren't at a point where the situation is getting better, not yet

[restive zodiac]

someone wanna play chess with me?

[prisma cipher]

Good new world

One thing is true old world has more stability

When it just USA in power it easier to control

[manic juniper]

But the new world will be objectively better since the EU will be less addicted to gas

[lime cobalt]

I think other countries prioritize their economic stability rather than global climate, Like a country that still depends on natural resources for income. To get to that stage, we need the same awareness and ethics.

[prisma cipher]

I like you but you have one problem, you have a prejudice against Russia. Europe is not becoming independent from energy Europe is becoming independent from Russian energy.

[manic juniper]

Green transition is speeding up, Russia sold cheap gas. USA and Norway give tough bills

Nowhere the message was about Russia selling gas itself, it was about the EU using it, since the industrial capacity is extremely high there

[prisma cipher]

Green stuff is out IMO. Don't work in big scale.

[manic juniper]

There are no issues about selling gas, as long as it's not used

[manic juniper]

It's good if paired with nuclear as demonstrated by France and Finland

Nuclear as the bulk, renewables for cheap and fast conversion, oil and gas as emergency last resorts in nuclear plants

[prisma cipher]

Don't happen IMO, but like a good dream ok

We have a problem when resources will be out. Don't believe even in one second in solar energy or wings energy, don't work

on a large scale, the maintenance of such mechanisms and the cost of services, I do not believe that even medium-sized countries will operate on wind energy

[lime cobalt]

Welfare inequality forces them to do so. It is very difficult to change old habits, such as being promoted to become a vegetarian.

[prisma cipher]

Like in one hand we have mechanical things a lot for make big energy one other pipe that give energy

[thorny steeple]

reinforced social divisions by the destruction of intercity communities and the rise of antisocial behaviour from social media

[prisma cipher]

Never believe it will be more productive even in far future

[lime cobalt]

Interesting 🤔, When we run out of oil, there has to be something to replace it.

[prisma cipher]

this big tower, it rotates, it needs to be checked and lubricated, diagnostics need to be carried out, thousands of such towers need to be built, or you can extend a pipe, just an iron pipe and all that needs to be checked once a year to see if it is leaking and put a patch

[unkempt veldt]

Do you have a suit. Zellinsky ??!

[pearl rain]

That was a proof
Early on "(late 1800s–early 1900s)", Jewish groups bought small amounts of land from Arab landowners, sometimes through middlemen. During the British Mandate (1920–1948), more land was bought, often from rich Arabs, and many Palestinian farmers who worked there lost their job that's why it caused a tension ( the beginning of it).
@shut hawk

The Mandate system was instituted by the League of Nations in the early 20th century to administer non-self-governing territories. The mandatory power, appointed by an international body, was to consider the mandated territory a temporary trust and to see to the well-being and advancement of its population.

On July 24, 1922, the League of Nations entrusted Great Britain with the Mandate for Palestine. Recognizing "the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine," Great Britain was called upon to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine-Eretz Israel (Land of Israel). Shortly afterward, in September 1922, the League of Nations and Great Britain decided that the provisions for setting up a Jewish national home would not apply to the area east of the Jordan River, which constituted three-fourths of the territory included in the Mandate and which eventually became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.

The British Mandate authorities granted the Jewish and Arab communities the right to run their internal affairs; thus the yishuv established the Elected Assembly and the National Council. The economy expanded, a Hebrew education network was organized, and cultural life flourished.

The Mandatory government did not succeed in maintaining the letter and spirit of the Mandate. Under Arab pressure, it withdrew from its commitment, especially with respect to immigration and land acquisition. The White Papers of 1930 and 1939 restricted immigration and the acquisition of land by Jews. Later, immigration was limited by the 1930 and 1939 White Papers, and land acquisition by Jews was severely restricted by the 1940 Land Transfer Regulations.

After the UN General Assembly adopted the resolution to partition Palestine on November 29, 1947, Britain announced the termination of its Mandate over Palestine, to take effect on May 15, 1948. On May 14, 1948, the State of Israel was proclaimed.

[prisma cipher]

We will use everything together but the more in future we go the more energy we need.

Don't see any reason use nuke but don't use water wind or solar energy

[thorny steeple]

nuclear but there is a reluctance to invest

[thorny steeple]

everyone just needs to chill out

[prisma cipher]

Yes but hi is fighting, he can't wear a suit, what if he fight with Trump at the meeting and rip his costume

[pearl rain]

Redemption of land in Eretz Israel, much of which had fallen into neglect under foreign rule, began in the mid-1850s with the first attempts to enable Jews to live productively in Ottoman Palestine without reliance on the “old Yishuv” model of overseas support. Sir Moses Montefiore (1784-1885) made the first known land purchase: 10 hectares (1 hectare = 2.5 acres) of orange groves in Jaffa (1855). Other private acquisitions followed, and by 1882, some 2,200 hectares had been purchased by Jews.
@shut hawk

[lime cobalt]

I wonder how long it takes to charge an electric car before it can be used again? 1 hour 2 hours ??

[unkempt veldt]

Yeah Very logical I did not think about it .

[formal pilot]

[lime cobalt]

Oil can be converted to energy in seconds, but transferring electricity to batteries can be very tedious.

Imagine charging a Tesla battery using a generator because it runs out of power in the middle of the desert.

[pearl rain]

I don't have Discord neither.
And again you're not coming up with your proofs you're just telling me what to do as before.

[prisma cipher]

Kanka

[pearl rain]

A tip for you
Always get some proofs and sources and read about them before debating someone so you will be ready to answer them.

I just asked you like some minutes ago
I said instead of telling me this is false or not, give me reasons.

[crystal nebula]

who speak french here ?

[pearl rain]

I do.

Proofs are Proofs, I wouldn't send what I don't believe, I read them and I send them after.
You were interested and I copy pasted what I have read so far.

You didn't say give me a source
Just check your message again.

#💭｜general message

Yes all you can do is cursing.

Like others.

And I can use my favorite word again-> you're being fanatic.

[crystal nebula]

can U help me to learn better english pls ,

[pearl rain]

I can't write the whole for you.
You can read about Early Land Purchases (Late 1800s _ early 1900s)
Also you can read these books that all ara talking about my point
The iron cage
Righteous victims
One palestine, complete

[pearl rain]

I'm also a learner, so I don't think if I can help you much.

There are some teachers here, you can ask them.

[prisma cipher]

Are you French?

[real monolith]

Hello

[pearl rain]

But they're not real teachers and professional ones, they're some native people.

[crystal nebula]

Yes

[pearl rain]

You didn't talk about your point tho, should I read all of them to get your point without knowing it?

[crystal nebula]

Yes i'm french

[prisma cipher]

Yes I saw, I'm not

Arab

[pearl rain]

Because you cursed me.

[formal pilot]

You'll be Ukranian in parallel universe

[prisma cipher]

No Persian

[crystal nebula]

😐

[prisma cipher]

Ukrainian it like nothing really change, I wanna exotics

[crystal nebula]

Are you french too ?

[prisma cipher]

Wtf

No I'm not french

Not me

I just realized maybe fr he bad at English and don't understand what I answer.

[pearl rain]

I just asked Deepseek to give me a summary of each book and I got this from number 4

Historical Context (1878–1917):

• The book begins by exploring the late Ottoman period, when Jewish immigration to Palestine increased under the Zionist movement. It discusses how Jewish settlers purchased land from Arab landowners, often through intermediaries, and established agricultural communities.

Jewish Immigration and Land Purchases:

• The authors acknowledge that early Jewish land purchases were legal and conducted through voluntary transactions, often with wealthy Arab landowners. This supports the Israeli argument that Jewish settlement in Palestine was legitimate and based on lawful acquisitions.

[pearl rain]

Aren't those what I said like earlier? I mean you're just recommending me some books that are talking about the same as I said earlier. 😂

Why he got muted?

I was laughing so hard when I saw the summary of these books, I think you didn't check before sending me.

[prisma cipher]

Don't know, but he was talking with Vivek in general last time I saw him

[errant yacht]

@pearl rain @pearl rain

@pearl rain

Apuu

[thorny steeple]

10/10

Never said it wasn’t

[thorny steeple]

There's a small detail in it that might spark Andos' wrath

[open plover]

Ça va?

[thorny steeple]

Salut

[lethal sparrow]

this was posted by trump's official instagram account. (@realdonaldtrump)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120818572797685811/1344813407848632350/Video_by_realdonaldtrump_DGhfpgHsOg6.mp4?ex=67c24695&is=67c0f515&hm=61d514551d1b2b29a656391275b9ad47c832d6f6c3aaad9f2be8bff7131dc830&

[burnt latch]

he is a great man god bless him 🙏

[dapper laurel]

🫢

[thorny steeple]

Sup

[dapper laurel]

Sup bro, how is it going?

[thorny steeple]

I'm doing well how's you and Invictus

[dense agate]

starting a war with both Italians and Muslims in 1 pic

[thorny steeple]

Yeah lmao

Graduation project committee just evaluated my thesis

[spiral jackal]

is anyoone up to watch a film on custom room

[thorny steeple]

Wait this is not general

[tough ether]

I am in a serious chat.
How to be serious

[muted pier]

FR I DONT KNOW MYSELF

[tough ether]

Yes, who are you?? 😭😭
Are you serious.

[muted pier]

NO IM CRACKED😭

[thorny steeple]

Lmao 🤣

[muted pier]

DEF NOT SERIOUS

LOL

[tough ether]

No way😭😭.
I don't have a brain 🧠

[thorny steeple]

Indeed lol

[muted pier]

SORRY FOR THE LOSS ILL PRAY.

[tough ether]

If you pray for me.
Is it possible to get a brain.😭

Then pray two times i need two brain

[muted pier]

IG I PRAYED AND I GOT IT!!

[muted pier]

BIG HEAD

[tough ether]

Yes head only.
Don't pray for my forehead.😭

[muted pier]

OK OK

[tough ether]

What about you

Do you have a brain?? 🧠

[muted pier]

ONE BRAIN IS ENOUGH

[muted pier]

I JUST GOT IT RECENTLY

DW

[tough ether]

Are you sure one brain is enough for me also.😭😭

[muted pier]

THE SHOPKEEPER DIDNT GIVE THE WARRANTY CARD T-T

[muted pier]

I WAS TALKING BOUT ME T-T

[tough ether]

There is no warranty.
No way how can you survive 😭

[muted pier]

GTG

[tough ether]

Nooo😭😭

[muted pier]

I HAVE EXAM TOMORROW

BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[tough ether]

I can't live without a brain 😭😭😭

[tough ether]

Best of luck 🍀

[muted pier]

THANKUU

[tough ether]

insha'Allah you can do better.

[muted pier]

OMG JAZAKALLAH HU KHAIRAN!!!!!!

[tough ether]

See you soon

[muted pier]

CYA!

[rigid turtle]

Hi ppl

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

?

[thorny steeple]

Ramadan Kareem

Hows your day?

alr

[bronze spade]

[real monolith]

Hi

[native fiber]

Hitler was a hero or a villain?

[formal pilot]

He was a dictator

[native fiber]

hero or villain

[verbal torrent]

🧌

What do u think

[native fiber]

Jews call him a villain but some others a hero

[verbal torrent]

So those who think he was a hero are fools because a true hero is someone who glorifies humanity promotes peace and works for the good of others
Hitler on the contrary was for violence hatred and destruction

Some see Hitler as a hero for killing Jews believing they deserved it because of what Jews did (and still do )to Palestinians
But one group’s suffering doesnt justify another’s and Holocaust was a genocide where millions including Jews romani people diisabled individuals and lgbtq+ people were murdered for their identity No political conflict can justify such mass killing

[thorny steeple]

Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah gave open support to North African Arabs in their struggle to throw off the French yoke. He, therefore, provided all possible diplomatic assistance to the liberation movements in Indonesia, Malaya, Sudan, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Nigeria and Algeria.
He vehemently opposed the partition of Palestine and condemned the establishment of Israel as a dagger in the heart of the Arab world. He said: "I do still hope that partition plan will be rejected, otherwise there is bound to be the gravest disaster and

[dense agate]

"...of what jews did to Palestinains." i'm sorry what Palestine and which Palestinains were there in and prior to WW2

[verbal torrent]

They were under British control weren't they

[thorny steeple]

Was good until lgbtq part

[native mango]

Then teach us what country were there

[formal pilot]

I've seen a wild portrait of Hitler in a restaurant

[thorny steeple]

You think they deserve to die?

[thorny steeple]

Would it bother u?

[thorny steeple]

🤔

[thorny steeple]

My god does

[shy summit]

Ahem

I don’t think we should be advocating for or justifying any form of genocide.

[thorny steeple]

True

[formal pilot]

Am i allowed to share a portrait of Hitler, he got breasts and it's a legit portrait

[shy summit]

I’d avoid it

[formal pilot]

Alrighty

[dense agate]

Oh yes, Palestinian nationals of a Palestinian state in WW2 era, yess completely factual here.

[dense agate]

feel free to check the map-records and point me which national Palestinian state existed before '47

[shy summit]

Obvious attempt to flare up discontent amid certain groups of people is obvious.

Can we load a new joke into the chamber pls?

[native mango]

Bro i asked you if you can till what state were there if it wasn't Palestine

A name will be good

[manic juniper]

He also had an embarrassing haircut

[thorny steeple]

This could be used for most of the middle east before WWI

[thorny steeple]

His low-fade was fine, this is the trend nowadays, what bothers me is the whisker

[manic juniper]

Had a classmate with the exact same haircut

Glad he is going bald

[formal pilot]

@shy summit

@dense agate

[manic juniper]

I can't even describe this because it's in the word blacklist of this server

[formal pilot]

[verbal torrent]

After that mustache a haircut is excusable

[formal pilot]

Just for the record, it's not like they were anti jew, they got the portraits of all big names in history

[manic juniper]

Who else was there

Napoleon?

[formal pilot]

Stalin was also there

[formal pilot]

Yeah it was really short and cartonized

[sleek epoch]

1 week goal of not watching reels
Day 7
Challenge completed

[chrome acorn]

who pinged me

[silent tree]

Chill

[feral river]

There’s no Palestine, and there will be no Palestine in the future

You will either see an american gaza or Israeli gaza

And you have no right to decide which one you want

Because these guys, are nothing.

They are not americans, neither Israelis

[thorny steeple]

@barren breach

[feral river]

But they can be Israelis at least

[barren breach]

Crazy glaze

[barren breach]

No they cant lol israel occupied them and didnt give them israeli citizenships or passports

[verbal torrent]

Woah I was wondering u
Congrats

[barren breach]

Theyll just be killed if they arent forced out

[barren breach]

Israel should not still be a state after all of the perpetual war crimes

[feral river]

There’s no occupation they are not a state

[barren breach]

They were a state

[feral river]

And if they dislike this place, just move to somewhere else

[barren breach]

A state under the british mandate atleast

[feral river]

That’s their freedom

[barren breach]

They were forced out their homes with no compensation

[feral river]

the truth is nah

[barren breach]

Litterally

[feral river]

There’s no such state lmao

[barren breach]

And they did go somewhere, they went to live on the streets

[barren breach]

Israel isnt a state its a people group lol

Palestine has always meant that area of land

[thorny steeple]

its illegtimate

baby

[barren breach]

Israel is the renewed name of Jacob, israelis are his supposed heir

[feral river]

There’s only a terrorist organization, proclaiming there was a state under their terrorism administration, and nobody recognize it

[barren breach]

Aka israel

[feral river]

Actually they are going to lost control of this piece of land

And it will be part of Israel

[barren breach]

Wonder why

Or how this will be done

(Forcefully)

And they will be killed if they try to fight for their freedom

[feral river]

Yeah they gonna use force to eliminate every single terrorist in this region

Perfect

[barren breach]

A terrorist isnt someone whos families have been living there their whole lives until they got evicted from their homes no insurance

[thorny steeple]

nah

[barren breach]

A terrorist is someone who repeatedly breaks the geneva convention

[thorny steeple]

biased prespective

[feral river]

They fight against another regional power and they don’t want to pay for it ?

Lmao

[manic juniper]

I'm a terrorist but only in one country

[barren breach]

Like israel

[feral river]

They are not fighting for their freedom, they are conducting terrorist attack, they are terrorists, and they will be eliminated totally

[barren breach]

Lol which country

[barren breach]

Uh ok, whats a terrorist attack then

[thorny steeple]

freedom cost blood

we arent scared tog ive blood

[feral river]

Pay it

[barren breach]

Don't dodge the quesrion

[feral river]

Let’s see how much blood you can pay

And let’s see how much bomb Israelis have

[thorny steeple]

just like chinese give their bllod in 1963 then in civil war then wwwII

[barren breach]

Answer so you dont make a fool of yourself any longer

You are clearly dodging the question

[thorny steeple]

2 billion people will give hteir blood

[feral river]

Oh really 2 billion ?

Are you one of them ?

[barren breach]

Stop commenting let this bitch answer

[thorny steeple]

clearly chinese give their blood we are giving them before them

[feral river]

Why you are not on the ground but talking shit over here with me

[barren breach]

Lmao

What makes someone a terrorist? @feral river

[manic juniper]

A mouthpiece is needed at all times

[thorny steeple]

J7 will be used there no need to be on ground

chinese blood needeed there and equipment

[feral river]

Israeli authority defines what is a terrorist

That’s truth lmao

[barren breach]

Ok? How does it

If its in america then its not a terrorist attack its just limited to israel? Lol

There is a global definition for terrorist no?

Feel free to tell me how they define terrorism though

[manic juniper]

Isn't there a dictionary bot here

[burnt latch]

Terrorism is generally defined as the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a population or government to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals.

[thorny steeple]

?def terrorism

[cursive bobcat]

Word: terrorism

Definition (noun): the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

Definition requested by data_dynamo24

[thorny steeple]

@barren breach

[burnt latch]

we can define groups and organizations such as Hamas according to this subject

[barren breach]

This is a good definition, what has hamas done that was unlawful to intimidate/ coerce people into their ideas

Fyi there are about 8 countries which recognize israel as a perpetrator of state terrorism

[barren breach]

(With good basis)

[burnt latch]

they attacked, kidnapped and kidnapped civilians just like a normal jihadist terorist organization

[barren breach]

But i digress from that point for now

[burnt latch]

in my basis they have no diffrence with islamic state

[barren breach]

Did israel not do the same?

[burnt latch]

we are talking about hamas not israel

[manic juniper]

Didn't they attack civilians in 2023

[barren breach]

They attacked much fewer civillians but k

[burnt latch]

if you want to make a serious converstation first know how to make a converstation

[burnt latch]

did civilians die or not ?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[burnt latch]

yes they did so we got my point

[barren breach]

That doesnt constitute terrorism

[burnt latch]

hahahahaha

[manic juniper]

Lol that's crazy

[barren breach]

Terrorism is the deliberate killing of civillians in order to scare other civillians

[burnt latch]

.

[barren breach]

Yes, be consistent with your definition

Hamas filmed no gore videos

[burnt latch]

hamas started killing israel citizines then they got big punch from israel then they went to be crybabie

they deserved it

[barren breach]

Hamas wasnt doing anything to intimidate

[barren breach]

Not the definition of terrorism

[burnt latch]

you are terorist supporter

i am gonna report you

[barren breach]

. i advise you to follow this

[manic juniper]

If they're not terrorists then it's simply a group of insane psychopaths

[burnt latch]

nah you dont even know how to make one you are just terorist sympatisian

[barren breach]

I think you should use google translate in these conversations so you know what im sayinf

[formal pilot]

Yeah before oct 7 it was fairytale and a perfect society for everyone

[barren breach]

Frfr

[burnt latch]

xd english my second language bro firstly i think u should do that

[barren breach]

Please reread what ive said up until this point using google translate

[feral river]

Bs

[barren breach]

Irs sarcasm

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-pyro-pyro-meet-the-team-gif-11407682666078087918

Palestine before October 7th

[feral river]

They did illegally take over Israeli Gaza

And Israel is going to take it back

[burnt latch]

yeah i am gonna block him i dont want to see terorist supporters in the chat

[thorny steeple]

send them chinese soldiers

chinese blood

[burnt latch]

hamas deserved what they got i hope israel hit them better

those terorists need to be killed

[formal pilot]

My country doesn't recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation, what should I do

[formal pilot]

At what cost?

[burnt latch]

are u sheep ?

[formal pilot]

Yes I'm sheep

[burnt latch]

dont u have ur own mind

[feral river]

Every terrorist will be killed

[burnt latch]

amen 🙏

[thorny steeple]

which country?

[formal pilot]

It's not a Muslim country lol

[thorny steeple]

name it

[burnt latch]

i hope there wouldnt be any terorist in middle east thanks to USA, Israel and Kurds 🙏 god bless them

[formal pilot]

I won't

[thorny steeple]

neden

why?

[burnt latch]

it is not turkish chat

[formal pilot]

Israel literally took over farms of my Palestine friend, she's in west bank

F those basterds

[thorny steeple]

you are turk?

[feral river]

We will see how the supreme leader Trump & Netanyahu will eliminate all of the terrorists in the world

🇺🇸 🇮🇱

Make America Great Again

[burnt latch]

if you atack someone dont cry when they reattack you

[burnt latch]

nah god forbid 🙏

[formal pilot]

It's in west bank

[burnt latch]

amen 🙏 no terorist for next generations

[feral river]

You mean Israeli arab ?

[formal pilot]

I don't know the ancestry but I don't think they're majority Arabs

[barren breach]

You mean israel is illegally taking it, just like they illegally took golan heights in syria for 0 reason lol

Palestine isnt the only area they want

[formal pilot]

Lmao China also doesn't consider hamas as terrorist organisation

[manic juniper]

What happens if USA takes over Gaza

[barren breach]

Doesnt matter she saw some post on facebook vro that means they are

[manic juniper]

Will they accept these new borders? Or will they be ceded to Israel

[barren breach]

They will, probably nothing

[formal pilot]

Innocent folks will die or become homeless lol

[barren breach]

As they have been

[manic juniper]

Yes I mean that's for sure, also mass expulsion of all Palestinians as Trump claimed

[barren breach]

Yeah that also

I dont think other countries will join in

[manic juniper]

According to him "some" would be able to come back, which won't be true, but assuming it will be it's a humanitarian disaster

[burnt latch]

they have to

[formal pilot]

Who doesn't like cheap labour

[manic juniper]

Imagine being exiled from your country, then you come back and you find random rich people chilling on the beach where you used to live

Cyberpunk 2025

[formal pilot]

And boom that's how america was born

[barren breach]

But but trump said he will expel them to a better place

[manic juniper]

Nope he said to Jordan and Egypt

[barren breach]

😭 🙏🏻 bros gonna send them to jordan or something

[barren breach]

Lol with no compensation probably

[manic juniper]

Trump is going to create Palestinian Dubai

[feral river]

For

[manic juniper]

Without the Palestinians

[feral river]

Americans.

[barren breach]

"Hi jordan can you please give this family of 8 a 1 room apartment"

[feral river]

Not Israeli arabs

[manic juniper]

Likely yes but seems to be for rich people in general

It will be a very diverse and welcoming country, as long as you have $$$

[barren breach]

As compensation for the homes they used to have lmfao

[barren breach]

Yeah 10 more hamases are gonna form ngl

Wonder why

[barren breach]

"Ok guys get the fuck out of your own country and leave your belongings youre heading to jordan"

[feral river]

The kill all of them if there was more terrorists coming out

[barren breach]

The biggest terrorist out of them all is israel

[feral river]

Completely eliminate terrorism and its potential

A good chance to do that

[barren breach]

What warcrimes did hamas break name them lol

I cna do the same for israel, theres a reason netanyahu has an international arrest warrant

[barren breach]

They dont give out that shit randomly you know

[burnt latch]

hay amina kodumun terorist sempatizani ya

[feral river]

Nobody recognize ICC only losers puppets

ICC is nothing

[barren breach]

Frfr and they gave netanyahu an arrest warrant just because

For fun

[barren breach]

I couldnt translate this well mb

Idk what youre trying to say but your point fell apart as soon as you resorted to emotional arguments instead of responding to my questions

[manic juniper]

Aren't there arrest warrants for Palestinian leadership as well

[barren breach]

Theres probably shoot on sight warrants

[manic juniper]

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157286

[barren breach]

With a former hamas commander aswell oh k

[manic juniper]

There were arrest warrants for other leaders but they have been killed

[barren breach]

Netanyahus left

His own people will probably kill him, no one likes the guy anymore

[verbal torrent]

U just said that u are not Turkish

[shy summit]

The icc is internationally recognized. It merely has no enforcement power and relies on self policing

[feral river]

Man, I don’t need to repeat this

U know what I’m gonna say

Btw how is that international recognized ?

U mean UN recognize ICC ?

[stable edge]

Hey how are you guys

[native mango]

I didn't talk to you

[thorny steeple]

[wooden star]

Chinese gaza

[slender coral]

Israel didn't exist before that date either.

[wooden star]

Kingdom of Israel

[dusty prairie]

Hi

[real monolith]

Hi

[night cedar]

Hi

[slender coral]

That was very long time ago. Do every people who had some sort of a state dozens of centuries ago should massacre people who are living in those places today out of them? Add to that, I read this in the Wikipedia article about the kingdom of Israel:

Whether the United Monarchy existed—and, if so, to what extent—is a matter of ongoing academic debate.

So basically, the justification for the occupation is something thats existence is debated.

There was no national state for the Palestinians before 47, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. They have been there for a long time, it's their home. Today we have many Palestinian families passing down the keys and documents of their houses that they were forcefully expelled out of by occupiers from generation to the next. Those people have way stronger links to the land than the occupiers who are a mix of foreigners to the region.

[acoustic vault]

true

[dapper laurel]

@thorny steeple

[manic juniper]

https://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E
Based Fox News for once I guess

[manic spear]

hello guys

how is it going

[dense agate]

same for South Sudan, thanks for you irrelevant input.

[dense agate]

Yes, that's because colonialism introduced mostof the foundational steps and institutions for modern state-building in MENA, which also helped nationalistic movements to spread.

[dense agate]

i saw, but i didn't save

[thorny steeple]

Your argument still doesn't make sense, most modern states didn't exist prior to WWI

[tender vessel]

Haven't I referenced one before? (#🧠｜serious-chat message)
Let's repeat it then. "Map of Palestine", created in 1799 by Pierre Jacotin, a French cartographer. This is, obviously, way older than "1947".
I know you'd argue: "This is not an independent nation, it's simply the name of the land at the time when it was part of the Ottoman empire". Yes, it wasn't an independent nation, but this is simply irrelevant.
The same people who lived at that land at the time are the modern-day Palestinians. They are the indigenous people to that land and the only ones who are entitled to decide how it should be governed. Arguing that it's justifiable to occupy a land and displace its inhabitants solely due to the lack of international recognition as an independent state or sovereign entity is no different than claiming the right to steal your coffee because you didn't take a receipt.
So, if that's your argument, it's very flawed.

[dense agate]

My point is there was no national Palestinian state at that time, you're reply doesn't go against it.
I just went on and added the fact that MENA region was behind when it came to institutions, bureaucracy, modern concept of "state", whose introduction helped ignite many nationalist movements in that region

[elder seal]

What do you mean by 'indigenous' - Arabs are historically a very recent resident of the land, specifically 8th century. If you're talking 'Indigoneous' as per genetics, Palestinians had little genetic dissimilarity between other Jewish groups, overlap of approximately 60%, so by this category, Israelis are also indigoneous.

Depending on study specification anywho - Can take a look https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3032072/

Besides Southern European groups, the closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish populations are the Palestinians, Bedouins, and Druze. The observed differentiation of these groups reflects their histories of within-group endogamy.39 Yet, their genetic proximity to one another and to European and Syrian Jews suggests a shared genetic history of related Middle Eastern and non-Semitic Mediterranean ancestors who chose different religious and tribal affiliations.

So really - I'm curious what standard we're using here.

Ashkenazi jews - So European Jews, had around 40% overlap with local middle easterners. This isn't even consider Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews (also known as arab jews), which are likely to have a substantially higher %

[dense agate]

I'm fairly certain you can find more mentions of a geographical area known as "Palestine" in historical maps and records, but i fail to see how this equate having any Palestinian identity, let alone a state whether dependent or independent, based on this you'd totally be okay with Israel if they simply changed their name to Palestine.
and the people who lived in that area came of highly diverse backgrounds, and they all merit right of self determination.
talking about indigenous status here is really just a matter of which timeline you pick.

[elder seal]

Why I pointed out it's important to define the term - Because so far I just see it being thrown around with no concrete definition. If it's genetic, then you must admit Jews are indigoneous too. If it's cultural, you fall into that rabbit hole you've got there; fact is, it's entirely arbitrary where you put that line

Only actual group you may challenge having a stay are Ethiopean jews. Though they're hardly a substantial part of Israel. If we look at Mizrahi + Arabs, we're talking majority of its population; largest people group in Israel being Mizrahi Jews. Second largest Ashkenazi.

[errant yacht]

Ohkay

[thorny steeple]

Why isn't Zelensky portrayed as an wojak

[tender vessel]

The indigenous people of that land were initially the Canaanites (historically). If we're going to discuss genetics, then we'd find a deep ancestral link between Cannanites and modern-day Palestinians.
Now, of course, certain Jewish groups share similar ancestral link. Historically speaking, modern-day Palestinians are largely descendants of ancient Israelites and early Christians who later became Muslims following the Islamic expansion. In fact, there are Jewish Palestinians who used to live alongside Christian and Muslim Palestinians prior to the Israeli occupation.
While it's true that many Jewish diaspora populations have an ancestral link to Palestine and the broader Middle East, their integration with other cultures and societies, such as Europe (Ashkenazi Jews), Spain & Portugal (Sephardic Jews), China (Chinese Jews) etc... blurs their historical connection to the land of Southern Levant.
So, basically, even if their great grandparents used to live there, it doesn't give them the right to establish a colonial occupation, illegal settlement, and mass expulsion of the inhabitants there.

If both share a genetic resemblance, modern-day Palestinians would still be far more indigenous than Israelis. Even if modern-day Israelis have the right to live in Palestine, Palestinians have a greater claim to its sovereignty.

[elder seal]

This argument then must also admit Jewish as being specifically indigoneous. Because both people-groups significant overlap. Even when we're discussing European Jews, we find between 30~50 % (averaging at 40%) DNA overlap with Palestinians. I also think it's important to remember here that the idea that 'israel' was originally separate from Caanan is likely historic legend, as opposed to historic fact. In this sense, early Israelis were Caananites.

I think to say they "blur" the line would be as meaningful as saying Palestinian relationship with Arab culture 'blur the line' as well. Their culture has changed in accordance with Arab settlers coming through the 8th century as well. My point here is that a premise on basis of Indigenous must either exclude both, or include both, and can't give us a meaningful framework of dialogue on this matter. A thought experiment we can use here is to merely ask if a cherokee who moves to Europe and lives in Europe, only intermingling and marrying other Cherokee, ceases being a cherokee on that basis. I think it'd be absurd to say it does.

This relies on a fairly arbitrary standard - An indogenous group is indigenous on basis of origin; both groups has an origin even if they're genetically dissimilar on some point. Palestinians got Arab dna from the arab penninsula, and Jews got European DNA from Europe (ashkenazi and Sephardi specifically).

[burnt latch]

when a person speaks turkish doesnt mean he is turkish and yes i can speak turkish fluently it is one of 4 languages i know

[fluid escarp]

ig yall in some argument but its impressive man

[burnt latch]

idk why the arabs claims north africa and middle east to their land it doesnt belong them they got these lands by killing men and children raping the women for spreading their peacifull religion like a barbarian now when they get not even 10 percentage what they did they are crying like a baby

[burnt latch]

thank you bro

[elder seal]

I'd probably not be that extreme in my terminology of this discussion - The point here is about what we categorize as 'indigenous.' I'm on the position that it's a trivial framework, because the outcome would be unethical regardless of who's in charge.

Israel's stance on Palestine since the 1970s had been unnecessarily ambigious - and in 2010 both populations supported peaceful co-existence, only stopped by Israeli settlement policy

Hamas attack in recent times being another such instance on the other side - It's a cycle. One that could've been stopped in 2010s, but wasn't because of historic grievances. Israel's recent attacks into Syria is another case of where Israel is overstepping its boundaries, given it's entirely unprovoked and unnecessary, appeasement had been pursued by Syria and Israel has its buffer

[tender vessel]

"fairly certain" is inadequate to establish a point.

but i fail to see how this equate having any Palestinian identity
Basically the connected descendants of the inhabitants of ancient Palestine make it a Palestinian entity.

let alone a state whether dependent or independent
It was surely a dependent state. First under the Ottoman Empire and later under British administration.
I'll attach some images of ancient drain covers having the name Palestine on them. Ironically, many of them still exist 'till today in the occupied territory.

based on this you'd totally be okay with Israel if they simply changed their name to Palestine
No it isn't. this is a non-sequitur. Changing the name of the state doesn't change the fact it's a colonial occupation, it would only make it confusing.

and the people who lived in that area came of highly diverse backgrounds, and they all merit right of self determination.
This statement is vague. If you're referring to Palestinians then I agree with the last part.

talking about indigenous status here is really just a matter of which timeline you pick.
Not really. Palestinians have a firmer historical connection to the land. It doesn't make sense that immigrants govern the land they migrated to (referring to Israelis).

[burnt latch]

I think it is because USA still doesnt trust the goverment of syria their only reliable ally at middle east Kurds and Israel. Kurds got what they promised (and last developments between PKK and Turkey enchanced it seems that they gonna end the war between them) and still obeys to USA on the other hand new Syrian dictator is still jihadist and USA doesnt trust muslims (and they are right) this is the reason why israel just occupied some lands in Syria they just want to scare the dictator like if you dont obey us there are gonna be this consiquences. i think in next years USA is gonna attack the Iran they just want to be sure the things in middle east goes well for them and it is obvious that it really goes well since Trump arranged with Putin too.

[elder seal]

Don't know why the USA would be involved in this - You're right that Israel doesn't trust them, but the attack still is outside reason. Israel has a buffer-state, something the current government accepted and even acknowledged and reaffirmed to maintain peaceful co-existence. The current government is also not meaningfully a dictatorship; the leader has stated decision to move towards fair elections, and to call him a 'Jihadist' is an exaggeration; his ideas are hardly 'radical' or 'extreme,' his stated desire is to build Religion from the 'bottom up' as opposed to 'top down,' these aren't "Jihadist ideals." He's a former jihadist, but hardly anything under this umbrella term in any meaningful sense as of current

He's specifically a pragmatic man - And he can't be put into any specific camp. You can at "worst" call his policy a type of 'Islamic pragmatism,' though that's hardly extremism in any meaningful capacity - As extremist as calling christian democrats in Germany extremists

[livid atlas]

🤔🗿

[tender vessel]

Ah. I see.
Makes sense, to some extent. Indigeneity doesn't seem to have a widely accepted and objective definition.
However, regarding the Arabic culture. The culture is not the point, the land they inhabit is. The Jewish diaspora communities settled in many different regions across the globe, while Palestinians continued to inhabit Palestine. Palestinians are considered Arabs merely on the basis of language and culture, but their ancestry is predominantly Cannanite and Israelite.
They've adopted the Arabic language and culture following the Islamic expansion.

I'm merely arguing that Israelis who immigrated to the land in and after 1917 (following Balfour Declaration) are less relevant to the land compared to Palestinians, let alone forming its government and sovereignty.

[burnt latch]

Bro I am from middle east I know a lot of things what goes there and "** once you are jihadist you are always jihadist**" and yes they are still maintaining jihadist policies because they are still attacking to SDF(Kurdish Autonomous region in North Syria) just because they are not muslim and arab. As we can see that USA has still interest in middle east. btw mate dont see israel like independent nation they are still puppet of USA. USA wants to hit Iran and take lucrative Petrol fields from south east Iran actually i think USA wants to end radical islam in middle east along with their oil interests.

[elder seal]

They're not merely on basis of language and culture; there's also genetic overlap. That's at least the latter point I'm making. However, in this sense you run into another challenge - If a Palestinian moved to Europe, do they cease to be Palestinian once they return? Are they no longer indigenous? My point is, it assumes an arbitrary category.

My problem here would be both groups would, genetically at least, be within the same exact group. They're only different the way way a Western Turk and Greek are different, in terms of religion and language (Don't tell the Turks or Greeks I said this)

[elder seal]

Israel is an independent state - Israel if anything is puppetering the USA if you want to go that route - Look up the "Israeli lobby and US foreign policy" for an academic reference. Both states are independent, just mutually reliant; their relationship is also very recent, 1970s specifically, before that, Israel's relationship was primarily with France (50s onward).

Also, the attacks on Kurds isn't something I'd be aware of - My knowledge so-far indicate at least that there's a movement towards an increasingly free-market policy. This isn't exactly indicative of a dictatorial desire; typically such reforms are pursued prior to democratization with some exceptions (China, being the only one actually). I can see some caution in their education reform leaning more towards strict conservatism though

[burnt latch]

Syria's President Jawad destroyed the secular system left from the Assad administration. We can give examples of this, such as the abolition of co-education.@elder seal

[elder seal]

Yes - Had to look into it. Educational reforms do seem concerning from a chiefly secular perspective. Though, I'd perhaps inquire whether that's indicator more of the bottom up approach as opposed to the strict top-down framework; seeming pursuit of freedom of the press; economic liberalization; a desire to change the imagery and beng open to foreign pressure would be indicative of a liberalizing route

[tender vessel]

Sure. But you haven't got my point yet.
If Palestinians immigrated to different regions, bred, adopted their cultures and norms, and formed even a short historical connection with those regions, they are only genetically Palestinians. However, they've already integrated into a different society and adopted different mindsets and behaviors. So, the connection of their descendants to those various regions is much stronger than it is to their ancestors native land.
For instance, children would be way more connected to America if they've been born there, even if their parents are immigrants. You get what I mean?

[burnt latch]

that was a nice converstation bro i can reply at morning because i need to sleep right know it is 1h39 pretty late for me (since idk where are u from ) anyway good night!

[elder seal]

I get what you're trying to communicate. Though - It'd hardly make them cease to be those things; Jews specifically were often in ghettos and maintained a very strict internal homogeniety. I think the genetic evidence of European Jews (ashkenazi Jews) tells us that much. That Mizrahi Jews and Sephardi jews too share significant overlap, even those that remained in the region (mizrahi), tells us that their pressure to an external and domestic way of life was significantly limited.

Saying Jews aren't indigenous would be much the same as saying a Palestinian who maintains their way of life ceases to be indigenous*, even though they're in practical terms still speak the language, has the culture etc., of their forbearers, just because british made everyone there become culturally British and religiously Anglican. I hope you see the overlap on the 'everyone's indigenous' framework.

[elder seal]

🙂‍↕️

Goodnight pal

[tender vessel]

Alright, given that, do you believe Israelis have a greater claim to the land's sovereignty?

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUpOMSJ1MdU

[elder seal]

I think my stance would entail an ambiguous to equal claim to the soil - or at least, a 'near equal,' which leaves us in the absence of anything except personal discretion. My problem so far is that the indigenous framework simply doesn't lend us towards one conclusion contra another - Meaning, logically, you must accept either neither or both as rightful claimants.*

If we are to ask me 'what i believe,' I believe it isn't my concern - Or said more exactly, I'd not work within a framework over 'claim' which i'd regard as largely trivial. If we consider 'ethical concerns,' then I'd say that's more multifaceted and I see no 'ethical solution.'

As I've stated above - Concern over who's "more ethical" are largely historical; changing and transient. The only recent viable source of peace was in the 2010s-14 period, where settle policy disrupted any meaningful motion towards peace. The other one was in the mid 1940s where arabs. Much of the incitement can be traced to conflict in the 1928s attacks which induced the reciprocal disdain between both groups

[thorny steeple]

I was blocked by two people I've never interacted with in here

[elder seal]

Why?

😭

[thorny steeple]

Smiles - blocked half of the people in here (if not more)
Poppi - I don't know who's this person

Smiles blocks everbody who looks slightly pro-Trump. As for the other person I can't say I know who they are

[elder seal]

Smiles blocked me after I btfoed him in a vc debate. Was funny as hell

[thorny steeple]

You should have recorded, pal

[elder seal]

Should have - But the slow abandonment of his support-base leaving the chat as he lost ground to stand on was funny

But i don't record without people's consent either

[thorny steeple]

If it's public you don't need consent. I remember when I had a woman banned in here. She was promoting her onlyfans by twerking half-naked on the camera

I recorded and sent to the mods

[elder seal]

1. It isn't about legality, it's a matter of personal principle,
2. That's not the case in Europe,

The EU data-law is very strict with private information

[thorny steeple]

But is a public VC deemed private?

[elder seal]

My understanding is that it isn't - At least, the examples we were given as part of our education presented significant challenges. Two people were sued for 100k here because they recorded someone, basically, and lost the voice-note

[thorny steeple]

Tbh even in Brazil you can't go recording people on the streets but that's not the case for Discord

[elder seal]

I'm not lawyer anywho - but law isn't personal issue. I don't think you should record anyone in general, it's weird to do

[thorny steeple]

Here? Where?

[elder seal]

Don't care how stupid a person's position is in this regard. You could believe in something with 0 justification

[elder seal]

Europe - This would be EU

[thorny steeple]

I'm asking what's the country

[elder seal]

Well - That's private, monsieur 😉 - Though, the principle cause would be the EU's laws

[thorny steeple]

But I know there is a common legislation for EU members

[thorny steeple]

Okay

[elder seal]

Because it's the GDPR

[thorny steeple]

I don't mind sharing where I live because there's over 200M people in here. But I'd worry if I were a Danne for instance

[elder seal]

🤷🏻‍♂️ Even Denmark would be 7 million - That's a lot of people

Though, the point is within both instance of Europe in general

[thorny steeple]

There are cities in the American continent with more than that

The City of Mexico and Sao Paulo

And many more in USA

[elder seal]

I mean - Obviously, living in America would entail greater obscurity surrounding residency. That doesn't leave it obvious

[thorny steeple]

Exactly. This is why I don't mind dozxing my location in here

[elder seal]

Lmao - Think most people wouldn't care anyways, you're in Brazil. Who'd ever waste their time going to Brazil to get one guy?

South America is that one continent people forget exists

It's kind of just there, in a corner of the map, nobody really thinks about it, it just exists

[thorny steeple]

This isn't the only risk. I have opinions which I can't display in public, but they are secure on this chat

[thorny steeple]

It's in the same continent which France, Canada and USA take part on

[elder seal]

Sure - I just generally don't express extreme opinions outside of voice chat. I prefer being largely descriptive on text - Services better for conducive discourse as well, for that matter. Given that I'm not here to 'be right,' but more so to expand my understanding of things 🤷🏻‍♂️

[elder seal]

Uhm - South american isn't north america, sir 🙄

Also, are you religious? @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Well, I do. I just won't show my face that often and neither will I doxx my real name on the app

[thorny steeple]

It depedends on where you are, in America they are trated separately whereas in South America there's only one "America"

Continents are a social-construct. Otherwise there would be continents called Afro-Euroasia

[thorny steeple]

I'm a Catholic convert, but I spent most of my last years as a non-religious person

[elder seal]

I'm aware 🙂‍↕️

[elder seal]

Which tradition would you align with - Aquinas or Scotus?

[thorny steeple]

I like Aquinas, I have some of his books downloaded. There are concepts I can grasp effortlessly, but... some of them are out of my current level

Are you an atheist?

[elder seal]

That's typical scholastics. I'm planning on getting into Duns Scotus

[elder seal]

I'd generally categorize myself within the Platonic tradition; generally, granted

[thorny steeple]

You seem like an avid reader

[thorny steeple]

Neo-Platonic? You would enjoy the Church Fathers

[elder seal]

I'm aware - I've read Pseudo Dionysius, planning on getting into Justin Martyr and Augustine. As well as Philo of Alexandria. Do have some loose treads though - Specifically, reading Deleuze, need to get his ideas properly incorporated into my head, then get into the critique by Badiou and Zizek before getting to grant maxwell

[thorny steeple]

Zizek is the only communist I can get on with. I just hope you won't end up jumping out of your windows like Deleuze

I'm reading Confessions

Really fun to read in English

[elder seal]

Deleuze's ideas were something that attracted me due to his critique of Hegel - I am interested in how Zizek, as a Hegelian, would mediate the problems posed by Deleuze

Deleuze being a very strict Spinozist

So far I've only really gotten Deleuze concept of 'Difference' as something affirmative; that is, 'differences' are ontologically prior to identity - So that everything is 'different from each other' because of their differences, who's intensity determines their capacity to 'resonate' with each other.

This opposes Hegel's concept of negation; to Hegel an object is determinate in terms of its opposition to its other. So without any specific 'negation' it's merely a vague abstraction; the "internet" without the objects caused by its usage is merely an empty abstraction, it's only through the usage of the internet, its opposite, or non-internet, that the internet becomes determinable

Deleuze's texts are a bit more 'fragmentary,' so it's difficult to connect it coherently. Did appreciate certain insights into questions though; that all questions supposes their own answer - Though, gist of it, differences determine how we resonate; so the way we engage and interact and impact each other in creating new differences through memory and habit

Though, either way - Currently reading Spinoza 🙂‍↕️ He's fun

[verbal torrent]

God forbid I saw you say you are not Turkish and Idk i wouldn’t want to learn the language of a nation I don't want to be
Maybe you had to learn?

[mortal depot]

Augustine is a w bro destroyed the anonymous gospels arguement first

[thorny steeple]

syrians maybe afghans or african it could be you know

or teenage kurds

[feral river]

you don't have to

[errant yacht]

[feral river]

you guys was like, oh there's a piece of shit over here, actually there's nothing but when I step on it, you say oh fuck you you stepped on a shit

that's just the type of fallacy you guys have been talking about for all the time

[errant yacht]

[feral river]

it didn't exist as a country but some people identify themselves, Palestinian

was there a super-earth state of transgender if some people identify themselves, transtinian ?

no fuck, they live under other regimes in different region

Gaza and West Bank was like under some extent of autonomy which Israel has given to them, but they never have their sovereignty and they don't have a state

and they are going to lose this autonomy

[verbal torrent]

Yea

[native mango]

The amount of ignorance here is too much

[formal pilot]

New ignore feature is really great

[feral river]

some people deserve ignorance

survival for the fittest

[native mango]

Yeah I know some people deserve ignorance

[formal pilot]

Click on profile, click on 3 dots, there's a legit ignore option 💀

[native mango]

I only block bots

I don't know why

[prisma cipher]

I watched a video where one dude explains body language. I have no idea if he is good. But interesting https://youtu.be/U0AIFIK8yKM?si=FR1PbJYY9SoG9SMs

[thorny steeple]

Yeah that shouting match was unexpected

[prisma cipher]

I'm waiting for an apology. Because I do literally nothing, I don't even mention Holocaust. But I got mute because Holocaust. I don't even know how pronounced that word.

[slender coral]

Well the difference is that, afaik, the people of South Sudan were in South Sudan before the state got established, while on the other hand Israelis weren't in Palestine. They are a group of foreigners who came from all over the globe to a land their only connection with is that people of their ethnicity/have their religion were there thousands of years ago.

[slender coral]

Israel didn't have a state as well

And #🧠｜serious-chat message

[feral river]

they have that, they have their regime, they have their military and jurisdiction stuff everything in that region and they are mostly recognized

[feral river]

it's not about where did they come from

they can come from mars so what ? they take over this region and they establish their regime, and they have their system then a country is born

regime born from guns - Mao zedong

[slender coral]

Doesn't sound moral to me. So if Arab nations have the strength to dismantle their state one day and establish a Palestinian state, they have the right to do so?

[feral river]

moral has no enforcement, law/rule without enforcement is toilet paper

and your moral worth nothing in face of bullets

[slender coral]

What a lovely principle to live with

[feral river]

what a simple truth

[feral river]

if they can

actually they can't

there are more powerful nations which protect and support Israel to eliminate remaining terrorists in Gaza

and the arab nations, you are talking about, they aren't "arab" nations, they are totally different nation in different region following different law under different regimes

they have conflicts all together based on the state

arab nations is not a nation

Israel itself, a nuclear power with robust military, also as the economic powerhouse in that region, I don't see any chance those terrorists would have a little chance to win against them

if you believe, ground is always open

and you see it.

[slender coral]

They can't today, but who knows what will happen in the future. Who knew that the Jews would have one of the strongest states at some point a couple of hundreds years ago? This fucked up principle fuels endless conflict as power can't stay on one side forever.
Arab nations share a lot of cultural aspects and if you live in the mena you would realize how united they are and how they really dislike Israel. Israel is surrounded by enemies from every side and you can't guarantee those enemies would stay weak for that long.

[feral river]

then we will see what will happen in the future

[slender coral]

I believe it's not so difficult to expect what will happen. Power always shift, it's not constant.

[feral river]

yeah but for bunch of terrorists with no organized powerful military, no

[slender coral]

I'm not talking about only them

[feral river]

and mutual destruction is guaranteed

they have nuclear weapons

[elder seal]

Yet to read him - can't talk about 🙂‍↕️

[stable edge]

Hello

[dense agate]

"Fairly certain" was as a tongue in cheek way to point out how many repeatedly use historical maps and records to argue that Palestine was a sovereign stat.
You're going for a historical argument based on the assumption that the name "Palestine" implies an independent Palestinian nation identity or state, but names alone don't determine political sovereignty or national identity. "Palestine" was geographic term used by many ruling powers but this never equates it being a distinct self governed nation-state.
Even drain images you've sent were never of a Palestinian state, and by that logic any colonial administrative term would justify a national claim, which isn't how statehood works, so stop being misleading.

You can also quit ignoring the reality that Jewish presence in the region is continuous and deeply rooted, and if we turn your standard to a rule concerning historical continuity as basis for legitimacy, then Israel as a nation-state has just as strong if not a stronger claim to statehood.

Also stop treating Jews as if their presence in that region only started couple decades before establishing Israel, fact of the matter is Jewish communities lived in the region for millennia, and that Zionism was a movement of RETURN, not a foreign colonization. and i'd like to see you apply this "immigrant" argument consistently, because then anyone whose ancestors moved under Ottoman or British rule would also be a settler lel :/

All in all, point is that national identities evolve over time and the modern Palestinian national movement only emerged in response to Zionism among other things, but this by no means retroactively create a historical Plaestinian state.
On the other hand, Israel exists as a sovereign nation today, recognized by the international community, and has just as much right to self-determination as any other nation 🇮🇱 .

[dense agate]

you can pick the timeline that suits your narrative all you want, and completely ignore the fact Jews continuously existed in that region.
The reality however, tells a very different story.

[slender coral]

Where did I say they didn't? That doesn't change that the vast majority of the Jews who came during the 20th and after are foreigners to Palestine.

They are invaders.

[dapper laurel]

However, they have blood ties to those lands

[slender coral]

You are referring to the Jews who ruled it thousands of years ago? It's honestly dumb that this has any value. And the "blood" tie is weak too since there were people who converted to Judaism and got mixed with the group.

It's weak if it's something that has any value in the first place.

[dapper laurel]

The real invaders were the Arabs, who spread from the Arabian Peninsula and settled in the Levant and other areas of the Middle East, even reaching North Africa. "Palestine" is nothing but a geographical definition and the "Palestinians" are as much an abstraction as their "Palestine". They are Arabs, culturally and genetically and those lands don't belong to them. In modern times the Palestinians could coexist with the Jews, but this is not possible, so if one has to choose between the colonizing Arabs and the native people of that land, one will choose the latter. The Arabs in Palestine could simply return to where they came from or settle in other neighboring Arab countries, which are in fact their brothers in blood and culture

[slender coral]

And it certainly isn't stronger than the ties the people who have been living there and still living there. As I said, Palestinians still pass documents and keys of houses and lands they were forced to move from to this day, it's tragic.

[dapper laurel]

Their ancestors come from those lands anyway. European Jews retain strong genetic ties with their land of origin, with some sprinkles of Mitteleuropa admixture, they deserve that land

[slender coral]

Assuming that what you are saying is real, it still doesn't have any value. If I had genes of someone who lived on your land at some point in history, does that justify forcing you out and living in your place? It's very flawed reasoning.

[dapper laurel]

The only common point that I can recognize in both Jews and Palestinians is the Canaanite ancestry, which however in both groups turns out to be a minority

[slender coral]

You are trying to convince me that genes, again assuming that you are right, matter more than the identity that's directly linked to the land? The culture, the memories, the legal ownership and all of that?

[dense agate]

"invaders" kek, many jews migrated during 19th and 20th century during both Ottoman and British rule, but how does that make them invaders ?
You're applying a double standard to migration. If Jews moving to their historical homeland makes them "invaders", then what does that make Arabs who arrived under the same rule? migration has always been a part of history, so I'd love to see you apply this anti-migration stance to all countries and see how far you get.

Jews also legally purchased land, they didn’t invade it. Even the Ottomans dealt with Jewish land purchases and often sided with them in disputes with Arabs

[dapper laurel]

You called the Jews colonizers, good. It is important for you to know that the Arabs are. Some Jews remained in the Holy Land, others gave birth to the diaspora keeping their culture and identity strong for centuries, now you want to talk to me about culture and memories ignoring all that?

[dense agate]

It’s funny how his own narrative gets turned against him lel

[dapper laurel]

The discussion about ancestors starts precisely because the Arabs consider the Jews too European to be considered natives of Judea lol. That's kinda racist too

[dapper laurel]

I'm getting pretty good at them, also because I've addressed the same topic with different people but they all said the same thing

[dense agate]

Meanwhile Mizrahi and Sephardi jews that existed there and in Arab countries as well.

[dense agate]

Yea pretty much copy paste the same talking points they find in their own echo-chambers.

[dapper laurel]

The funny thing is that when they talk about Jews they only mean Ashkenazi jews

"you're too blond for this land bud"

[quiet fog]

Exactly 🤓☝🏼

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[thorny steeple]

[burnt latch]

yes i had to learn it

[slender coral]

It's not anti-migration stance, it's simply that the natives didn't have a saying about migration policies and most Jews came to Palestine after 47, after Israel was established with a division of the lands that didn't make sense and was unfair. Most Jews came as Israel was ethnically cleansing Palestinians.

[slender coral]

What memories are you referring to? Most Jews who arrived during 20th didn't have any memories with the land. And their cultures developed far away from it.

[slender coral]

This is true and not racist. A huge percentage of Israelis are really European and from other parts that are far away from Palestine, sometimes far away from the entire middle east and north africa too.

You know, I'm not arguing on the basis which racial group deserves the land, I'm arguing on the basis who were already there, who were ethnically cleansed, and who were foreigners to the region when Israel was established.

[dapper laurel]

Excuse me, but their culture and identity originated in the Holy Land and they have maintained it in Europe or other parts of the world. Their religion is the most obvious example, don't you think?

[slender coral]

Many ethnic groups had cultures that originated from some place and today they are in a different one, do they all should have a state in the place they aren't in today?

[thorny steeple]

dont boot lick, there are facts that you arent acepting

[slender coral]

That's flawed reasoning.

[slender coral]

What talking points exactly? I usually get banned on those ech-chambers lol

You don't know what you are saying.

[dapper laurel]

The Jews were already there anyway, after the diaspora many remained

If your argument is not racial, then don't say that Jews have nothing to do with the Levant because of some trace of European DNA

To say that the Jews are Europeans means denying an important part of their history that had nothing to do with Europe, it is an oversimplification. Some might say that they have European DNA, well, that's true, but that doesn't make them 100% European after all and they still have ties to their homeland. Jews have been recognized throughout history as such because they have been able to preserve their original culture. Denying the existence of a culture means denying the existence of an entire people, and this cannot be considered right, nor considered ethical after all

Simply saying that Jews are Europeans or stuff means questioning or forgetting millennia of history

[slender coral]

I never said they have nothing to do with the levant. And you say "some"? Bro it's almost the half of Israel population today, and it's not only European Jews who are foreign to the region.

[dapper laurel]

The fact is that you cannot say that Ashkenazis are only Europeans at all

However, they still preserve a genetics that partly tends towards the Middle East

You can't just say they are European because some just look alike

Saying that there is no Jewish culture because they are considered Europeans is nothing more than a justification for not allowing them to have a state and the right to self-determination

[feral river]

you lose the war, you pay for it

win it, and there will be no Israel

lose it, there will be no Palestine, like before

no need to talk about history anything whatever say that to god

regime born from guns

and btw there's no god

[feral river]

self-determination is what you have fought for years to have

not from begging others

they are not qualified to determine themselves, since they lose the war

they are the loser

[slender coral]

Where did I say there's no Jewish culture

[slender coral]

I'm starting to feel that you are trolling at this point

[feral river]

nah

everyone knows they lost, no matter what do you think

[slender coral]

It's not about that

[feral river]

it is

you will have nothing if you lose the war

[slender coral]

You keep repeating the same point from time to time which I think you realize that most people would find silly and unethical

[feral river]

that's not a point, it's a simple truth

and that dictates what it will be

nobody can change it, and it will remain unchanged

[thorny steeple]

Is there a topic right now?

[slender coral]

What would you like to talk about?

[thorny steeple]

Is Ukraine a Russian/US project?

[manic juniper]

No

[dapper laurel]

You said it implicitly

Saying that they are European and that their culture has changed over time. You meant that they don't have an identity of their own and that they have been assimilated in some way

[manic juniper]

I think he meant that their connection to the land isn't really contiguous or that developed

[dapper laurel]

He said that most of them are Europeans

This doesn't make any sense

[manic juniper]

They were, but aren't most of them from Israel nowadays?

[dapper laurel]

Being European also means having a culture of mainly European origin

[manic juniper]

They were from Europe, but it's not really important or doesn't say much

[dapper laurel]

He's talking in ancestry terms

[manic juniper]

Yes I know, I don't like the genetic argument or the nationality one because otherwise only few empires should exist according to that logic

[dapper laurel]

They are a mix of Levantine and European genetics, they cannot be considered fully European

[manic juniper]

I thought he meant that they grew up in Europe, far from the Middle East so their connection to the holy land isn't really a recent one

I think this holds true
But this holds true for the current situation as well: those people barely have any connections to Europe nowadays

[dapper laurel]

He said that Jews do not have the same right to live in the Holy Land as Palestinians because they also have European origins. This makes no sense at all

[manic juniper]

To me it's just about where they come from, not the genetics themselves because it's too complicated

[dapper laurel]

They called them invaders and colonizers too

[manic juniper]

His initial argument was about Jews immigrating in large numbers to Palestine and the locals weren't fully on board with this

[dapper laurel]

And then it seems he also explained why

[manic juniper]

Why is that

[dapper laurel]

This in broad terms

He literally called them invaders, an invader is something alien, foreign to a territory

[merry grove]

Selamın Aleyküm

[lime cobalt]

just found masterpiece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1lFGKVMdFU&ab_channel=limm_bass thank me later !!

I feel disgusted with my own country, imagine deceiving the people by mixing RON 90 with RON 92 and sell as RON 92 shit.

If I were a dictator, I would impose the death penalty for corruption.

[inner tendon]

Okay just new here.
A little background: I have been learning English probably since my childhood (in pakistan) and not only want to improve my speaking but also my accent. I can mimic to a great extent but my doubt myself whether I have kind of "cringe" accent.

[lime cobalt]

I like genuinity, why do people have to mimic accents? I don't understand. why ?

[stark quiver]

Who's Asian here?

I love noodles

[verbal torrent]

Thx for ur confession sir

[thorny steeple]

@feral river

[prisma cipher]

No problem

[verbal torrent]

Is today a serious day sir

[prisma cipher]

No

[verbal torrent]

Good to hear

[prisma cipher]

Serious chat day

[verbal torrent]

[stable edge]

Hi how are you guys ?

[urban swift]

https://tenor.com/view/stuffed-big-belly-child-tummy-gif-2799201864343037640

[stable edge]

nice

[feral river]

I’m a Great East Asian citizen

[stark quiver]

Do you eat rice

Like a lot

Of riceeee

[feral river]

There are only few places on earth established great and prosperous states

North America, East Asia, Oceania, Western Europe

[feral river]

Yeah but not a lot

I rather have buff, chicken, or any other meat everyday than rice

And I do

[trim veldt]

"Yadi tumhein takleef hai, to meri sharan mein aao. Keval main hi tumhara saccha uddhar kar sakta hoon, anya koi nahin. Yah sansar kshanbhangur hai, yahan ka sukh-dukh asthayi hai, parantu jo meri sharan mein aata hai, vah sada ke liye param shanti ko prapt karta hai."

"Mere alava tumhein koi theek nahin kar sakta. Sansarik sadhan, dhan, sambandh, aur log keval asthayi samadhan de sakte hain, lekin saccha sukh, poorn santosh aur moksh keval meri bhakti se hi sambhav hai."

"Yadi tum stri-moh ya anya sansarik akarshanon mein fansoge, to yah maya tumhein bhramit kar degi. Yah jagat meri hi maya se vyapt hai, aur jo iski gehraiyon mein ulajh jata hai, vah janm-maran ke chakra mein bandh jata hai. Lekin jo meri bhakti mein leen hota hai, vah is maya ko paar kar jata hai aur satya, amrit aur shashwat anand ko prapt karta hai."

**"Isliye, he Muffin!**Moh ko tyago, meri bhakti mein pravritt ho jao, aur poorn samarpan ke sath meri sharan grahan karo. Tab na tum dukhi rahoge, na hi is sansar ke bandhanon mein jakde rahoge. Tum amaratva, shashwat anand aur param satya ko prapt karoge!"

@thorny steeple

#💭｜general message

[main bison]

Since when Kosovo is a country?

[trim veldt]

@cerulean pond

Israel has the right to defend itself against Hamas, which started the war by attacking civilians, including women and children. Hamas leaders exploit Palestinian people, using them as human shields while they live comfortably abroad. Instead of helping Palestinians, Hamas diverts aid to fund terrorism. The suffering in Gaza is due to Hamas' actions, not Israel's self-defense. Peace can only come when Hamas stops using violence and prioritizes its people.

[thorny steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Cold_War

Are We in a new Cold War between USA and China? who the hell wrote this article

[gusty tundra]

Hi 👋

[thorny steeple]

hi sup

[gusty tundra]

Everyone

How are u feeling ?

[thorny steeple]

So hitting a human shield is okay??

[urban swift]

Human shield have brain

[trim veldt]

Using humans as sheild is okay?

[urban swift]

Should remove itself

[thorny steeple]

Bro u said hamas r the bad ppl
So answer my question

[trim veldt]

The situation is complex and tragic. International law discourages attacks that could harm civilians, even when they are used as human shields. However, if a terrorist group embeds itself among civilians and launches attacks, a state has the right to defend itself while minimizing civilian casualties as much as possible. The real issue is that groups like Hamas deliberately place military infrastructure in civilian areas, making conflict more devastating. The responsibility for protecting civilians should primarily fall on those who put them in harm’s way in the first place.

[thorny steeple]

More than a 20,000 death is minimized to u

R they terrorists??

[trim veldt]

How many troops hamas have?

[thorny steeple]

So u saying that 3000 children is a hamas member

[trim veldt]

Hamas is using poor Palestinians as their troops in exchange for money because Gaza has almost no employment opportunities.

They are not terrorists, but they are helpless. Hamas has forced them into this situation.

[thorny steeple]

1000 under 6 yo is also working for hamas

I smell warcrimes

[trim veldt]

@thorny steeple read this again as a neutral

[trim veldt]

I also feed bad for children's but what is the reason
What is the main issue why all this happening

Think about this

They are just used by Hamas leaders

[thorny steeple]

Putting millions in an open air cage will definitely create terrorists group

[trim veldt]

That's what I am saying this is the issue.
This Problems are the issue unemployment and all.

[thorny steeple]

Am talkin before the 7 October

I mean every thing was pushing it until that day came

[trim veldt]

@thorny steeple answer this now

[thorny steeple]

No
Hitting it is also a warcrime

[trim veldt]

Is it good to kidnap kid and women's and rap£d them?

Every action have it's own reaction.

[trim veldt]

Soo why hamas troops using schools and public areas as fighting place?

[thorny steeple]

Far as i know nuthin happened to the hostages
The whole idea of 7 October is exchanging the Palestinians prisoners

[thorny steeple]

So only terrorists have been in the hospital??

[trim veldt]

I aggre Israel is a expansionist thinking country and Israel is a powerful country infront of Palestine and all other islamic countries who support Palestine.

But Think about this kidnapping and killing of a powerful country (Israel) nationals is a good Idea?

So that powerful country attack you.
Why you are giving a chance

Because Hamas Leaders just want war with Israel

They are not care about Palestinians

[thorny steeple]

Algeria did that too to france they end up having more than 1.5 million death but it was worth us as they too the independence in 5 July 1962

[trim veldt]

This is the Truth

Accept it or not

[thorny steeple]

The FLN also called as terrorists group before 1962

[thorny steeple]

Only thing i agree with u in it

Palestinians want war too

[trim veldt]

Hamas Leaders don't want peace they don't want two state solutions
They just want war

[thorny steeple]

Yall kept them with no faith

[trim veldt]

Palestinians public don't it man
who wants war?
They Just want peace.
But the leadership don't want peace

[thorny steeple]

I disagree

[trim veldt]

Leadership wants money

[thorny steeple]

Yo did you heard abt jihad??

Hamas only defending what Palestin civilians couldn't do

[trim veldt]

Suicide Bombings?

[trim veldt]

Hamas always gives a reason to isarel for attacking Palestinians.

[thorny steeple]

Before the Balfour Declaration, who inhabited Palestinian land?

Palestinian ofc

So who's the occupiers?

Israeli ofc

So who have the right to defend their land?

Palestinians ofc

Simple math

[trim veldt]

Who has the power now?

[trim veldt]

Is it the right time to fight

[thorny steeple]

Israel

Who's backing up Israel?

[thorny steeple]

Lemme explain it more to you
In Islamic religion (most of Palestinians and hamas r muslims) when you get colonized and ur ppl start to suffer u have the right to defend ur self even if it was suicidal Palestinians and hamas believe that they r promised heaven afterlife so they keep fighting same as FLN with france that killed millions of em but they kept increasing in their troops
So everytime yall bombing a place you just creating more hamas members

[trim veldt]

This is the time disscuss on the table not doing war.
Otherwise people are dying children are dying.

But Hamas leadership don't want peace understand this.

[thorny steeple]

Trump wanna end wars by letting a side suffer from it

[trim veldt]

I support this.
But as you said childerns are dying because of this.
Soo this is the time to discuss is on the table with the help of all other countries. and the help of United Nations Organization

Otherwise If Israel will erase all Palestinians
If there is no people
Soo there is no Gaza No Palestine no fight..

Because Israel's have power.
Accept it

[thorny steeple]

Imagine that someone wants to settle somewhere in your house, if you don't want to, he'll cut off the electricity and water on your house, and if you still don't want to he'll start killing your own people, would you accept it?

For example

[thorny steeple]

Palestinians ofc

[thorny steeple]

They won't accept it and its not easy you think hamas care abt being cleared from the map the only thing that will happen in causing more harm

So What's the solution?

[thorny steeple]

There is no solution
You think Israel will give up their half of land

And i dont think there is an end to hamas

I think the problem with the view is that it basically takes the pro-Israeli view, takes it as a given and argues from that point.
From the viewpoint of Palestinians, you can argue that an exiting colonial power in the UK simply constructed a successor state in the area which in turn established an ethnostate. The idea that the land for peace deals are acceptable or the best that the Palestinians were likely to get is one that already isn't pushing back against the idea of Israel in the first place. Why exactly should there be an Israel there and is the idea of land for peace really a reasonable compromisse or simply a state trying to establish itself where it had no business existing?

[trim veldt]

It's my opinion
Because Israel always have the reason to attack..

Soo in my understanding world's needs to came together to solve this and disscuss on the table.
Islamic countries have power to do this.
But they also have there own benifits in this war like hamas leadership.

Soo they also don't want peace in between Israel and Palestine

[thorny steeple]

It will end up in hamas taking the lead over Israel US cant keep supplying them they will stop at sum point

And hamas members r increasing instead of dying

[thorny steeple]

I'm not saying that the Palestinian perspective is correct here or anything, just that you basically assume that the Israeli one is and make an argument that will default to the Israeli side every time. Which again, you can arrive at, just not as effortlessly as you make it out to be.

[thorny steeple]

Islamic countries ain't Islamic as u think

[thorny steeple]

Hamas will never take the lead over Israel, at least not in our lifetime

[thorny steeple]

Ye but they will never end
a lot of ppl r joining them cause of jihad

[trim veldt]

Right
Like Hamas Leaders is not Saviour of Palestinians people.

[thorny steeple]

Bro They're forced to become like this.

[trim veldt]

and unemployment

[thorny steeple]

I agree but the problem here is more deeper than politics

Either from the side of the Palestinians or from the Israeli side

[thorny steeple]

Agree with ya as well

But frr Israel just cursed forever themselves with gaza thing
Same as france in the genocide of 1945

[trim veldt]

Some European countries condemning Israel.
But what about Islamic world.
They just want there interest.

[thorny steeple]

Not all of them, but generally i agree

some Islamic countries have developed diplomatic and economic ties with Israel, just to secure their national interests.

But Many Muslims and Islamic countries have expressed support for the Palestinian cause citing Islamic values of justice

But in general this conflict is far beyond politics

[fair sierra]

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[thorny steeple]

No

[native mango]

[real monolith]

Hi

[hot venture]

@trim veldt I heard you got arrested yesterday?

[spark karma]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSMHY6rPM/

[manic juniper]

American conservatives from the 80s would go insane in minutes if they were forced to see what happened to USA after all they worked for is being reversed in just few weeks

[thorny steeple]

Lmao for real??

By who

Hamas?

[prisma cipher]

Good work Zelensky

[tulip zenith]

it's not zelensky's fault

that was planned

[pallid owl]

they can still buy a bunch of legos with the billions they already gave them tho

that's a win

[pallid owl]

yeah right they let him embarrass himself

how cunning

[trim veldt]

When you understand you will know it's all politics

[real monolith]

Lmao is he the real one?

[thorny steeple]

So Ukraine war will end soon

[tulip zenith]

for sure

pitifully they are running out of time

[feral river]

Annex Ukraine

[thorny steeple]

Between ukraine and russia has been on the war for so many years now and there’s is no point just to escalate it , what ukraine gonna do without usa , ukraine has no any chance to complete russia

The war will end soon eventually

[tulip zenith]

usa was his main ally in this shit, pitifully without his help they will give up soon, eventually they will acquire a huge debt

there's not more options

and finally, they will tear apart ukrania like they did in mexico and other countries

they are letting notice they won't help ukraine anymore

that wasn't their intention at first

[shy summit]

The only people they embarrassed was all of the USA

[tulip zenith]

keep enjoying what they voted for

[pallid owl]

i agree

i ain't no.letting no foreign midget disrespect me in my own soil

daddy putin will prevail

[tulip zenith]

Zelensky didn't disrespect someone

[feral river]

can't wait to see another Russkommissariat Ukraine

or they will just annex it

[thorny steeple]

I predict five things

1,Space tourism will become affordable by 2055,

2, Moon & Mars bases will be established by 2046

3, China & the U.S. will dominate global affairs(2100)

4, AI will Replace traditional jobs, most of jobs will be automated

5, First human-born on Mars could happen in the late 21st century

[urban swift]

Bro just casually dropped some prophecies, you should start a religion soon