🧠｜serious-chat

[urban swift]

Republicans have different ideas i bet

So for you, which one is the craziest thing trump regime did so far ?

[tight carbon]

Hello, my name is Peter, I have a question, to everyone, would anyone be able to help me here because I live in England and I am looking to buy somewhere in some foreign stores apart from amazon, ebay by using even a vpn American tv on demand live with a wide range of channels including movies, who can advise me something

🤔

[feral river]

For american nation he’s the best

For american people maybe not

[dense agate]

it's still just a maybe ? lel

[feral river]

Lmao

Nah i have seen much worse leaders than trump to deal with its own people for national interest

[dense agate]

The guy is defunding the whole state, feelsbadman

[feral river]

Like a Cambodian agrarianist, austria artist, georgia cobbler

or a chinese revolutionary ?

[urban swift]

Nation is made up of people ~abraham lincoln

I see no distinction. Why would you create one ? What's your thought process behind that?
Is it a norm in socialist society ?

[feral river]

Regime born from guns - Mao zedong

Why you think a bunch of unorganized people are able to assemble a nation ?

They will only be conquered by other superpowers

Only the leadership holds powerful force would have a chance to establish their own nation and identity

[dense agate]

I'm talking about US's recent history

[feral river]

They can’t even face 1000 men with organized military training and armed vehicles with few helicopters

[dense agate]

was he referring the to guns he held on his own people while they were protesting the famine he caused ?

are these the kind of nations in question ?

[feral river]

Does protesters, hold tanks ?

[feral river]

It’s not me creating one, it’s the current world order which is based on nation

[urban swift]

Understandable.
It happens in every segment of society.
Whether it's a block, a town, a hood, a school etc.
Rowdy/one screaming at top of his lungs seemingly win.

Govt also works that way, recruiting the tall, healthy guys and ruling on normal people but for the safety of rich people and their kids.

But atleast people feel heard if there's an election.
Almost Half of the population didn't vote for Trump

[feral river]

What makes you think it’s only him caused that famine

In my opinion it’s just a common bias from the west in here i see more people praise him more than discredit him

[dense agate]

Mine, i know, you know, we know how much influence he had on it, cmon

let's not try to downplay it

[urban swift]

Winston Churchil caused frequent famines in bengal, India and caused multi millions deaths because of that. And the west never bait an eye over it

[feral river]

Not gonna deny but most people in here don’t think it’s him caused that famine

It’s just a simple truth

[feral river]

It’s not caused in britain

[urban swift]

Yep, they don't* give a sheet until it affects europe. Can see through the hypocrisy. They left countries with border disputes and instigate it from time to time

[whole beacon]

Yep

[misty jacinth]

Whut?

[urban swift]

@deep zephyr come here and defend pedophilia

Lets see how low you'll go

[verbal torrent]

Wut

[slender coral]

What

[deep zephyr]

He's just Islamophobic and being salty about it because I pointed that out. Don't worry about it.

Immature kids

[urban swift]

Lol
Is that your argument? That's it?
What was Islamophobic so far anyways

Does the word hold any weight anymore if people throw it around* whenever their brain goes haywire

[formal pilot]

[hollow narwhal]

Looking for a teacher to teach English. I'm Chinese.

[sacred yacht]

Is there a free online test to check my English level?

[manic juniper]

Happened in Europe as well especially after WW2, some ethnic cleansings and population transfers later it's mostly fine

They took Polish majority regions from eastern Poland and gave them to Belarus and Ukraine, then they did the same to Germany and gave them to Poland (effectively moving Poland more West)

Germans were also ethnically cleansed off Konigsberg

[thorny steeple]

It's estimated that the UK caused more than 100 million deaths in India, I don't think anyone has been cleansed in this scale at that period

[mystic bay]

'the UK' did not and cannot cause anything

It's individual persons--sometimes in concert with one another--who are the real agents

actions are frequently attributes to countries, where in reality the vast majority of a country's citizens or occupants are not involved whatsoever

it's critical to recognise this if we are going to talk about who owes what to whom (if anything)

and what sorts of 'retaliation' (if any) are justified in war

[dapper laurel]

In general they were also expelled from most of Eastern Europe

In the Baltics their presence has greatly reduced, even in Romania and Hungary

[dusty orbit]

我可以

[manic juniper]

Curious, they increased in Kazakhstan

[dapper laurel]

Several thousand of them were deported there and to Siberia by our little moustachioed friend

This is sad too

[manic juniper]

One of my grandpa's friends is a Finn from Kazakhstan

[dusty orbit]

You can use ChatGPT. Or try to simply just find videos on what level do you think you are. good luck.

[manic juniper]

There are still some who chose to stay and live there

Most of those who had the offer to go back already did

[dapper laurel]

Does he look more European or Central Asian btw?

[manic juniper]

He's fully European, he is part Ingrian and part Estonian

Most of them are Ingrians and Izhorians, there are some Karelians and Estonians too. Finnish people are more rare

[dapper laurel]

How did the Finnish government try to bring them home again?

Because Italy could do the same with the Italians in Istria

[tacit wigeon]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

the concepts in QUran arent in the Biblical stories

and bible itself

https://boards.4chan.org/his/thread/17525872
@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

Germany did more or less the same thing, they offered free citizenship to anyone who could prove their ancestry, also some benefits or housing

The Baltics and Poland as well

[manic juniper]

Difficult because they lived there for centuries as opposed to those other situations

[dapper laurel]

They also did this with the South Tyroleans when there was the other little friend with the moustache

[manic juniper]

The last guy is right, they didn't use Asian elephants in the Punic wars, it was an extinct species of African elephant

[dapper laurel]

Well, as long as they are protected and recognized by the Croatian government as normal citizens, that's fine

[manic juniper]

The main reason for the absence of Germans in Romania and Hungary is because of him actually

[manic juniper]

It's also why they don't want to move anymore

There are Finnish minorities in Sweden and Norway, Swedish minorities in Finland, they will never "move back" when they lived there for next to 1000 years and they're not threatened

[dapper laurel]

The funny thing is that to be considered German you just had to have the right size skull

[thorny steeple]

You should join discussions there more often

[slender coral]

A lot of stories in the Quran and sunnah are in the bible, like the story of Zechariah. And as I said the Quran mentions them shallowly and misses a lot of details.

[thorny steeple]

Everyone in here attributes actions to specific countries

[manic juniper]

Megafauna always was incompatible with North African and European societies

They legit couldn't survive past few thousands years ago, some going extinct even later. The auroch was amongst the last victims

[mystic bay]

Not quite everyone

[thorny steeple]

what are u all talking about ?

[lone oxide]

???

nobody here?

[slender coral]

I'm here 🙋

[slender coral]

Racism apparently. One is blaming the British for what what the UK did in India during colonialization and the other is saying that not all Brits are to be blamed.

[placid pelican]

I mean not all brits should be blame, but the government and the high society of that time

[mystic bay]

which accounts for an extremely small minority of the total population, none of whom exist today

[placid pelican]

thats correct

but hating the monarchy is always correct. I'm so glad the queen died

[mystic bay]

That's vindictive

Being that way is not going to make you happy

Just saying

[prisma cipher]

Wait, why Kim was deleted

[placid pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-reaction-cat-reaction-who-are-you-cat-gif-11194592305997260000

[placid pelican]

it is not like i killed her...

[mystic bay]

I'm just saying, taking delight in others' misfortune is not a recipe for happiness

whatever fleeting thrill you might get from the downfall of your enemies

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-kim-cat-cat-saying-kim-kim-meow-cat-meow-kim-gif-23670889

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhkAbkzGP_0

[tight carbon]

Hello,my Name is Peter, community, I have a question for you, could you help me? English I live in England ,and I'm looking for stores, legal,free alternatives, hulu,pluto.tv,crackle,peacock etc: where I can buy live American TV on demand or could you advise something and write to me here

[slender coral]

It can be sometimes

Depends

[mystic bay]

not in the long run

[tight carbon]

Hello,my Name is Peter, community, I have a question for you, could you help me? English I live in England ,and I'm looking for stores, legal,free alternatives, hulu,pluto.tv,crackle,peacock etc: where I can buy live American TV on demand or could you advise something and write to me here

⁠.

[keen moon]

I predict the answer will be no

[placid pelican]

the channels you are trying to watch doesn't have their own website?

[misty jacinth]

Real

[small void]

Didn’t India basically collapse after the britbongs left?

[dapper laurel]

Only partially, some parts of the British Raj seceded, like Pakistan/Bangladesh that were Muslim majority or Myanmar

But India is still here

The British literally created india as a state

India is the classic example of an artificial country

Together with Belgium

[slender coral]

India struggled a lot during Brits' time. It suffered a famine under their rule, and afaik the Indian economy was growing steadily until Modi became the president.

The country had a difficult time after independence but I believe that's the case for many of the countries that got colonized.

[thorny steeple]

It's weird af, two utterly different regions gathered for political reasons and now they're in conflict for economical and cultural motives

[manic juniper]

Imagine if Europeans were forced at gunpoint by extremists to become one country, just the Balkans would start developing their own nuclear programs

[floral crown]

guys, do you think it’s justified if someone tried to assassinate Netanyahu? would it be the based violence required for peace? or it’s still a murder, doesn’t matter the context

[thorny steeple]

they will never do until they are support

[slender coral]

I don't think Netanyahu is the problem, Israel is the problem.

It's a manufactured state of foreigners to the regions which was planted and supported by other foreigners. It can't survive without violence.

[verbal torrent]

but I think leaders still have a big impact even if Israel was created and supported by foreigners leaders like Netanyahu make these policies stronger and influence peoples opinions the country can rely on violence to survive but the leader and the people still affect each other repeates the same thing

[thorny steeple]

hello

[stoic cedar]

Hey @manic juniper

[tired osprey]

Hello everyone

[main bison]

Hi myself

[stoic cedar]

Isfrun?

[smoky harbor]

Hie

[faint wasp]

@gritty lynx keep recordings

[manic juniper]

No most of us will be united one day

Dumb nationalists just can't see it

[stoic cedar]

I need to talk to you Isfrun

[urban swift]

🍿

[queen nymph]

Hi

[mystic bay]

imagine needing to talk to someone

my homies and homesses talk to ourselves

[lavish creek]

it's Russian Germans

he is literally kidding

what a punk btw

[shy summit]

From the man who praises and said he’d be a dictator? Red flag.

[stoic cedar]

I see

[thorny steeple]

hello every one i am an author if you are an author message me

[thorny steeple]

You dont know the spirit then

I dont think so there is any nationalism in Muslims

[manic juniper]

?

[thorny steeple]

There are less nationalist in Islam

[manic juniper]

What do they have to do with any of this lol we were talking about Europe and India

[thorny steeple]

There are some Arabs and Turks nationalist

I thought you meant the Mulims unificaiton

[manic juniper]

I legit replied to a comment about India

[formal pilot]

[thorny steeple]

the spirit in indian land is rising

they are dividing from the previous century

They cant keep them together anymore

hello need a buyer for my book the reluctant wizard

[formal pilot]

Unfortunately I can't read, I'm sorry i cannot buy it

[thorny steeple]

sorry i can edit it for you

[restive zodiac]

i read only free books 😅

[verbal torrent]

Just for him
How kind of uuu

[thorny steeple]

just small amount of money

[verbal torrent]

How much

[restive zodiac]

22 dollars i think

i found it on Amazon

[verbal torrent]

22$= 792 tl
Ummm nuh uh thx

[restive zodiac]

220 DH i can but literally 21 books hhh

[thorny steeple]

20$

[thorny steeple]

are you an author

[prisma cipher]

Doubt that

But I vote for Unite

[restive zodiac]

im just a reader but u can say an amateur writer, anyway hope u success

[thorny steeple]

can you dm me

if you are an authour i can help you promote your books

[uneven citrus]

fake ass scam

[thorny steeple]

can you dm me

[stoic cedar]

+1

[thorny steeple]

if you are an authour i can help you promote your books

[mystic bay]

sounds sus

[restive zodiac]

sorry i dont demand girls

[uneven citrus]

promote deez nuts

[mystic bay]

lol

[restive zodiac]

im muslim

[uneven citrus]

it's probably a man dw

[mystic bay]

What is 'demand girls' supposed to mean?

[thorny steeple]

are you an author

[uneven citrus]

dunno

[uneven citrus]

absolutely

[restive zodiac]

but thank u for ur help

[thorny steeple]

why

[restive zodiac]

i dont talk in private with girls

[uneven citrus]

why tho

[thorny steeple]

how many books have you publish

[mystic bay]

It's just discord

[verbal torrent]

Bcz his pp may take off

[uneven citrus]

3 or 4 billion , I'm not sure

[formal pilot]

I can confirm

[uneven citrus]

reasonable

[restive zodiac]

i tend to consider social media to be real interactions rather than virtual.

[mystic bay]

ok

[uneven citrus]

so what

[mystic bay]

you're wrong but fine

[uneven citrus]

doesn't tell me why

[restive zodiac]

it just my tendency to do so OK

[uneven citrus]

just talking to men is a bit gae but ok

[uneven citrus]

whatever makes u happy buddy

[thorny steeple]

have you try any marketing straegy before

[mystic bay]

I was thinking this as well

[formal pilot]

He used to dance on tiktok

[uneven citrus]

true dat

[restive zodiac]

i think i said PRIVATE!

[mystic bay]

So you only talk to men in private

[uneven citrus]

come to the dark with me sweety
-# I'm a man so it's okay

[restive zodiac]

no i dont talk to ppl that idk in general and with girls in privite

[thorny steeple]

you can message me on tik tok

[mystic bay]

So you talk in private with men you know intimately

[uneven citrus]

a bot has more charisma than Linda

[mystic bay]

LINDA is a bot

[uneven citrus]

lmaooo

[formal pilot]

Give me your social security number, I'll write you letters

[uneven citrus]

hell yeah

[thorny steeple]

are you an author

[restive zodiac]

no not what u thinkin of ,i mean ppl that i know ,like my family and friends

[uneven citrus]

[formal pilot]

Yeah i wrote Ligma LGM 30 intercontinental minuteman ballistic missile system

[weary belfry]

He will write a poem for you

[uneven citrus]

-# ban this bot

[thorny steeple]

how many have you publish

[uneven citrus]

pul 💀

[mystic bay]

boyfriends

[weary belfry]

I got ignored I think

[restive zodiac]

im not homosex

[uneven citrus]

don't worry bro we don't judge , no need to hide

u're safe here

[restive zodiac]

hhhhhhhhhh

[thorny steeple]

that is good are you an author

[formal pilot]

Roses are dead
violets are dead
Some poems don't rhyme
I'm a bad Gardner

[weary belfry]

I can be an author for you

[uneven citrus]

inspirational

[mystic bay]

Poetry is the lowest form of art

[weary belfry]

You wrote a new poem in a few minutes

[formal pilot]

3141592

[uneven citrus]

not bad

[thorny steeple]

have you try any marketing straegy before

[formal pilot]

Are you rejecting my art?

[mystic bay]

Yes

[formal pilot]

Alhamdulillah

[uneven citrus]

it's the same fucking text u sent me even with the typo on strategy 😭

[verbal torrent]

Agreeee

[formal pilot]

History will repeat

[verbal torrent]

For me poems are really boring

[uneven citrus]

4th reich

[formal pilot]

Yeah i remember robbing an underprivileged child, i was famous on news

Best marketing

[mystic bay]

Breloom was on the news

[uneven citrus]

ayoo

[uneven citrus]

have you try any marketing straegy before

[thorny steeple]

I have effective marketing strategies

[uneven citrus]

I don't give a shit

[formal pilot]

Give it to Ukraine, they really need it rn

[thorny steeple]

what

[verbal torrent]

I was about to curse you until I saw it was Diego

[uneven citrus]

lmao sorry

[prisma cipher]

They need money

[verbal torrent]

Sooo have you try any marketing straegy before

[formal pilot]

They should join Russia and attack Europe

[uneven citrus]

I have effective marketing strategies

[mystic bay]

Not to be unwelcoming but leave immediately

[verbal torrent]

Wow dm me

[thorny steeple]

that is good

[restive zodiac]

i think the power of poetry depends on the eloquence and beauty of a language, some languages dont support creativity due to lack of grammatical complexity and efficiency and vocabulary diversity , i find English poetry superficial and unintelligent, in comparison with my mother tongue .

[uneven citrus]

Are you an author?

[thorny steeple]

Selamun Alikum

[formal pilot]

Not to be unwelcoming but leave immediately

[shell verge]

i feel like i'm about to attack someone

[mystic bay]

That's because you are better at your mother tongue than English

[verbal torrent]

Yeah i wrote Ligma LGM 30 intercontinental minuteman ballistic missile system

[restive zodiac]

walaykom aslllam brother

[prisma cipher]

Ukrainian like, the more you help them the more they hate you, won't surprise if one day they blame all their problem Europe

[uneven citrus]

dm me immediately

[verbal torrent]

🥳

[formal pilot]

How many nukes have you got?

[prisma cipher]

What is common name in Korea Kim?

[mystic bay]

That is one

[formal pilot]

I've heard zelensky isn't a great leader

[shell verge]

none. yet💀 😃

[thorny steeple]

hello

[formal pilot]

You must be middle eastern

[verbal torrent]

Пока пока

[restive zodiac]

from my experience its not i read enough poetry and i didnt find it in the same lvl of eloquence and description beauty. it s just an opinion tho

[shell verge]

wow. how did you guessed😃

[prisma cipher]

Always was lame in my opinion. When everyone hyped about him I was like, just give him time to show yourself.

[thorny steeple]

will you like to promote your books

[mystic bay]

you speak like a poet

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/nti-nuclear-threat-inititative-war-ntigeneral-nuclear-threat-gif-25647805

[thorny steeple]

where are you from?

[restive zodiac]

amateur

[shell verge]

georgia

[thorny steeple]

Make a federation if you dont have bomb with nuclear arm country

[verbal torrent]

Oh man u so sigma

[thorny steeple]

arent you from middle east?

[formal pilot]

What's the next step for Russia?

[uneven citrus]

I have effective marketing strategies

[shell verge]

i'm from georgia. russian neighbour unfortunetly

[shell verge]

andi was being sarcastic

[thorny steeple]

cause a federation with muslims they willprotect you

[formal pilot]

Great country with strong people

[rugged grove]

[restive zodiac]

Pakistan

[thorny steeple]

real? are you from Pakistan?

[shell verge]

yeah can't tell much about people as 20% are just traitors

[thorny steeple]

yes i do to boost sales

[restive zodiac]

no

[formal pilot]

I have effective marketing strategies

[restive zodiac]

im not

[verbal torrent]

STOP BRINGING RELIGON IN EVERY TOPIC

[thorny steeple]

ohh, I thought you are from Pakistan

[verbal torrent]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[thorny steeple]

I bought a nation not a religion

[rugged grove]

It can cause u ban uk?

[thorny steeple]

ohh

[restive zodiac]

i was just kiddin

[formal pilot]

Let them protect themselves first 💀

[prisma cipher]

Yes lame. A lot Russian like him when he was comedian, but he was meh comedian. Not really funny. He got president because he have big oligarchs support. They have movie with him like president. And before election they show new season of that movie, and Ukrainian think it will be like in the movie. That oligarch have tv channel and give him time here also show his movie there.

[thorny steeple]

Why do they need protection?

[uneven citrus]

so they don't get pregnant
-# is that the protection u talkin about?

[thorny steeple]

NOO, protection form the threats

[restive zodiac]

elites are the true leaders of any country

they just make sure to not realize that

[prisma cipher]

You nobody without media support.

[thorny steeple]

then become part of the elite then to take over the country

[prisma cipher]

You might be good and cool, but if no one know you you loose

[thorny steeple]

Become Chinese guys dont you think anti america

[uneven citrus]

dog aint too tasty

[thorny steeple]

I dontt find more than 3 reason to hate china

[prisma cipher]

https://youtu.be/BYdSspz6zAs?si=j1kysc9wi0UKjB3q this is movie with him, they thought he will be like that.

[uneven citrus]

[thorny steeple]

If you have reasons to hate China get on the table straight yourself, get ready

[uneven citrus]

I don't hate china lmao

never said I hate it tho

[thorny steeple]

Then enjoy chinese

food and products both are comf

[restive zodiac]

how much China produce of world consumption products?

[uneven citrus]

Temu ahh

[restive zodiac]

i think 90% of world consumption am i wrong?

[uneven citrus]

idc

[thorny steeple]

maybe

[restive zodiac]

it s between 30% and 45%

comparing it to it s population is insane

[thorny steeple]

How much close is your country to China?

or are you anti china blcok

[uneven citrus]

3

[thorny steeple]

?

[uneven citrus]

2

[restive zodiac]

i m not with both China nor US ,for me i dont support any block .both blocks their focus in only their interest

[thorny steeple]

and your country?

[restive zodiac]

just an opinion

[thorny steeple]

ok

[uneven citrus]

[restive zodiac]

bro Drce watch his ved https://youtu.be/jmOqY6VGEQQ?si=qIO54XbCk_JemVnF

there is translation and there is another Channel of English

https://youtube.com/@mshms-din?si=4tfS-v8wEiLPQIz_

[verbal torrent]

Men w beard scary asf

[thorny steeple]

share the english Ill share it too

[thorny steeple]

no they dont

[restive zodiac]

here is

[thorny steeple]

thx

[restive zodiac]

np

[uneven citrus]

[verbal torrent]

InMYopinion

[uneven citrus]

depends on how it looks

[verbal torrent]

Ye but long beard nuh uh

[uneven citrus]

I agree

beard can make a man look much better or much worse

[restive zodiac]

long beards are majestic

[uneven citrus]

we don't have to agree on everything

[restive zodiac]

beards make men more masculine

[uneven citrus]

If it's done well absolutely yes

[restive zodiac]

Glory be to Him who has beautified men with beards

[mystic bay]

just shave

[restive zodiac]

my beard is still growing

[verbal torrent]

Who is him

[restive zodiac]

the creator

[verbal torrent]

Ah

[prisma cipher]

In Korean movies they almost always call each other like in three name not just Kim, but like Kim Jong Un, and I like, damn it no way to remember it

[mystic bay]

It's not that hard

[prisma cipher]

It super hard

[restive zodiac]

Korea is a Utopia for girls and even boys is it real

[crude widget]

It's usually just 3 or 4 syllables

[prisma cipher]

Even Chinese name easier for me it like Lia Chun Yan like easier to remember

[crude widget]

Most names I hear in my native language are just as long or longer

[prisma cipher]

But Korean like short ant strong. Lie for remembering one character you remember three name

[crude widget]

This is also 3 names

I'm confused

[mystic bay]

It's real, but hardly a utopia

I left as soon as I turned 18

[prisma cipher]

I know, it hard to explain but sound more rhymed for me and I can remember Chinese names. But Korean names mostly like three separate sound

[crude widget]

Idk where anyone gets the idea that there is utopia in Korea

[torpid dirge]

What is utopia? But

[uneven citrus]

Tyler,

[thorny steeple]

Anti religious sentiments are being there

[restive zodiac]

there is a huge gab between poor ppl and rich ones isn't ?

[thorny steeple]

Why is it like that

[crude widget]

?def utopia

[cursive bobcat]

Word: utopia

Definition 1 (noun): an imaginary place considered to be perfect or ideal
Definition 2 (noun): a book written by Sir Thomas More (1516) describing the perfect society on an imaginary island
Definition 3 (noun): a work of fiction describing a utopia

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by _acrossthesea

[uneven citrus]

we were talking about beards wtf 💀

[verbal torrent]

🧌

Zehrw chill

U can do it

[thorny steeple]

Do you have any problem with Islam?

[prisma cipher]

You just chilling

[verbal torrent]

[uneven citrus]

what does that have to do with this lmao

[thorny steeple]

It was a question to you

[uneven citrus]

[tame thunder]

what the shit is happening over here

[mystic bay]

About as much as most places

[prisma cipher]

Imagine everyday arguing about islam, so much pointless discussion

[verbal torrent]

+++++++

[restive zodiac]

true , but just an example that make it far from being a Utopia

[thorny steeple]

Why you have to do that? Respect them

Thats all

[prisma cipher]

I respect them, why shouldn't i, a lot Russian is Muslim

I just don't like discussing islam because it pointless

[restive zodiac]

u could be muslim if the king of russian at a time didnt adopt Christianity over Islam bcz he want alcohol to be permissible

[torpid dirge]

Assertion on every religious also much pointless discussion, Islam isn't one ..

[thorny steeple]

Thats false

[mystic bay]

I don't see any problem with a wealth gap as such

[prisma cipher]

Yes discussing religion is pointless stuff. I don't mean religion is bad or something.

[thorny steeple]

You can be rational, think find solutions with in the Islam.

[verbal torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/mabay-aykutelmas-sus-susartik-susartık-gif-18380730

[prisma cipher]

At those times we have different gods like God of sun or something. pagan gods

[restive zodiac]

how not ?

[torpid dirge]

Yeah but many atheist perception wouldn't accept that fact .....becoz ....they encounter and argue on the basis of religious belief and moral values of any kind of religion,

[mystic bay]

Because poverty is an absolute problem, not a relative one. Talking about a 'wealth gap' is just a politics of envy.

It suggests that the problem is the size of the gap, which it isn't

[restive zodiac]

u ll find literary poor streets besides rich ones in Seoul

[mystic bay]

I'm aware

It's where I was born and raised

[torpid dirge]

Yess but what if someone don't know the basic fundamentals rules of islam? And they're just want to create controversy against religious/ islam to critisis it

[restive zodiac]

the idea is there are many social issues in Korea

[mystic bay]

ok?

[restive zodiac]

nice

[restive zodiac]

which make it far from a Utopia

[mystic bay]

That's what I said

There is no utopia in this world

[restive zodiac]

definitely

[thorny steeple]

They have to study for opinion then its not opinion

Then its simple hatred

[manic juniper]

Legit 24/7

[mystic bay]

just make an Islam channel

and then it will all be concentrated there

[manic juniper]

I agree

[torpid dirge]

That why I mentioned critisism becoz ... those openion are just subjective, they don't have Idea what is the ideologies any religious have .....

[restive zodiac]

i wonder what those ppl would talk about if there was no islam

[mystic bay]

lol

[restive zodiac]

actually they are the ones bringing it to conversation

[torpid dirge]

What about the atheists ppl ? They will probably the lost

[mystic bay]

Well, we'll see

[manic juniper]

Scrolling up a bit would confirm how these are just projections

[restive zodiac]

the truth is hard that they could not stand it

[mystic bay]

It's worth at least running the experiment

[manic juniper]

Yes

[mystic bay]

what the dog doing

[torpid dirge]

Where's the dog ?

[mystic bay]

in the car

[torpid dirge]

No I didn't see

[slender coral]

It's not really strange that people interested in discussing it. It's an ideology that's affecting the lives of billions of people today, many of whom aren't believers.

[torpid dirge]

That is cow 🐮 not dog

[mystic bay]

my suggestion was not that there be a channel for all the Muslims to go

it was that there be a channel for discussing Islam

so non-Muslims can go there too

[slender coral]

What's the point though? This channel isn't that active, and this move would make it less active.

[mystic bay]

It's fairly active

[restive zodiac]

first i s not an ideology, and yes it s affect billions of ppl

[slender coral]

Yeah, and getting Islam out of it would decrease activity.

[mystic bay]

Removing the discussion of Islam would encourage other kinds of discussion

The trouble is that it is difficult to simply open a new topic if another one is already active

and since Islam always seems to be discussed, it crowds other things out

[slender coral]

I see where you are coming from, but Idk I'm not sure it would work.

[mystic bay]

I don't know either

but it's worth trying, I think

[slender coral]

Someone should tell the admins.

[restive zodiac]

yea should be a channel for discussion religions

[slender coral]

Yea

[torpid dirge]

Ppl think serious chat means assertion on religion

[manic juniper]

I recall when mods here used to ban people for using chatGPT

It was much better

[slender coral]

What

[manic juniper]

It's better than creating an echo chamber

[slender coral]

What echo chamber lol
People here don't agree on anything

[manic juniper]

Because of the OGs

[slender coral]

When Islam is brought up you see keyboard Jihadists arguing back.

[stoic cedar]

@manic juniper ?

[torpid dirge]

There's many serious topic have to talk about rather than religious ideologies

[mystic bay]

I like discussing all sorts of philosophical topics

[stoic cedar]

What are you talking about?

[mystic bay]

It's just that there always seems to be a debate about Islam happening

[manic juniper]

Only when people bring it up in any shape or form that isn't unambiguously positive, otherwise it's legit an echo chamber

[slender coral]

Man I really wish to study philosophy one day, could you guide me and how to start?

[mystic bay]

The Norton Introduction to Philosophy is a great comprehensive introduction

There are more specialised textbooks for different areas of philosophy, like ethics, metaphysics, epistemology, etc.

[manic juniper]

who is Norton

[restive zodiac]

what do u expect when ppl start spreading misconception and hate .its normal

[manic juniper]

↑ textbook example

[mystic bay]

He's an anti-virus guy

[torpid dirge]

Why didn't you tell me this when I asked u about Starting philosophy 😦

[stoic cedar]

Can someone please ask Isfrun to unblock me?

[restive zodiac]

land of Sofy is nice too

[slender coral]

Could you provide a roadmap?

[manic juniper]

Is he a friend of Avast?

[mystic bay]

I don't know what that is

[torpid dirge]

what's cooking bruhh

[verbal torrent]

Are u dumb
If someone ignores u that means u have to respect them and shut ur mouth up

[stoic cedar]

She cant see my messages

[mystic bay]

This is a good introductory textbook to metaphysics

[stoic cedar]

ask her

[verbal torrent]

Guess why
Bcz u are blocked

[mystic bay]

If you're interested in some different aspect of philosophy, I'd need to find one

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/addition-to-mycollection-more-collection-gif-14095863

[stoic cedar]

Yes thats why I asked

I do respect

[slender coral]

Fr

[mystic bay]

This is one of my favourite introductions to ethics

[stoic cedar]

I just tagged her several times in conversation

[slender coral]

You have any advices for beginners?

[manic juniper]

Do you have one on the ethics of videogames?

[restive zodiac]

it s philosophical novels ,its a story and an introduction to western philosophy from earliest Greek philosophers till modern day ,it s simple easy and funny book

[stoic cedar]

Can Someone do me a favor? ask Isfrun to unblock me

[mystic bay]

I'm afraid not

[mystic bay]

Just read the stuff I recommended

It's for beginners

[slender coral]

K

[manic juniper]

I'm a beginner

[mystic bay]

That's not a good sign. I think I will block you too.

[stoic cedar]

Bro Respectfully

[stoic cedar]

I actually tagged her several times in the chat

[mystic bay]

He was already asking to talk dirty to me in DMs

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[stoic cedar]

Wtf Did I?

[stoic cedar]

Bro can you please ask Isfrun?

[slender coral]

What do you guys think about feminism? To me I think equality that society can benefit from is one where everyone has equal chances in education, jobs, and life choices. There are differences between men and women as groups, but that doesn't mean we have to have rigid roles that don't account for individual differences.
Women can do many of the things that those who adhere to to old patriarchal traditions claim that they can't.

[verbal torrent]

I COMPLETELY AGREE WORD FOR WORD
For years I'm trying to tell people this

[prisma cipher]

[verbal torrent]

Raghh

[slender coral]

I wish I could work is a human rights activist one day. That's on my lists for the things I'll say.

[verbal torrent]

MINE TOO

[prisma cipher]

Give me Korean bad words so I can use it. In English letters

[verbal torrent]

look at ma nicnameee💅

[torpid dirge]

U have some issues with her ? Recently?

[prisma cipher]

What is that even mean actually

[verbal torrent]

Anti misogynists

[slender coral]

I'm unable to copy it for translation, I'm on phone 😭
What does it say?

[prisma cipher]

Yea no idea what is that

[verbal torrent]

Thiz

[slender coral]

Oh

[verbal torrent]

Tsk tsk tsk

[stoic cedar]

I actually tagged her several times here. It was months ago

[slender coral]

@verbal torrent what do you think about western feminists? Many people out there think they are snowflakes and that western women don't face challenges that need a feminist movement.

[prisma cipher]

So you are a man who fights for women right?

[slender coral]

Fight isn't the word to describe it at all.

I'm just saying my opinions.

[prisma cipher]

If it chilling for women rights than I'm in

[slender coral]

I'm not willing to fight for someone else, they should fight for themselves.

[soft glacier]

Whats going on?

[slender coral]

We are talking about feminism.

[verbal torrent]

Yeah its normal that they think like that Bcz women in Western countries already have legal equality but even in west countries women still faces challenges like workplace discrimination

[slender coral]

Well, I'll move to the west at some point and I guess then I'd see if a feminist movement is needed or not. You aren't western right?

[verbal torrent]

A little part in west the rest in east

[mossy night]

Hey everyone 👋

[slender coral]

Hi

[restive zodiac]

i dont oppose ideas of first mvt of feminism but the third one is very radical mvt for me

[mossy night]

What u all r talkin about

[slender coral]

Feminism

[mossy night]

So u r feminist 😎

[slender coral]

Idk if I could be called feminist

I'm a man who wants equality in the sense that I want everyone to have equal chances to grow and live their lives.

[mossy night]

Yeah 👍

[slender coral]

Does it make sense to call a man a feminist? Does my definition for equality align with feminism? Idk.

[mossy night]

Maybe 🤔

[verbal torrent]

Yes it absolutely makes sense for a man to identify as a feminist especially if he believes in equality for all genders

[neat bison]

Yeah

Does anyone know how to handle stress?

[verbal torrent]

Meditation and abdominal breathing

[neat bison]

Okay 👌

[torpid dirge]

Fight between feminism and misogynistic ppl

[prisma cipher]

They say it was today. I don't understand this, they are so proud but leave country and don't protect it. So patriotic bu flee.

I talking about men

[slender coral]

We have a beautiful annual trend in Egypt that really makes me hate the country so fucking much and makes me not want to have daughters here. Every couple of months a sexual assault happens against a woman and you see people divided into two camps, the people who want to blame the victim for not wearing modest clothing and "provoking" the man, and the feminists who think it's ridiculous.
Muslim conservatives have this shitty analogy that a women who doesn't wear modest clothing is like a candy without a wrapper that flies (men) would group up around it. This analogy is used often when the responsibility of women comes up in discussions and I find it dehumanizing for both men and women.

This culture of victim blaming results in less women reporting SA. So would find this crazy situation where Egypt is on a list as one of the safest countries for women but at the same time is put on lists for one of the worst. The official data doesn't really show how many women get sexually harassed and raped.

[verbal torrent]

I hate it when immigrant people show these nationalist movements in an irrelevant country abroad most people do this turks also do this behavior in Germany but in social media nationalists hang out and say like oh I'm Turk raghhh Turkiye is the beeeest long live our presidentt and then continue to live there and come to Turkey only to spend the euro in the summer holiday
So annoying

[restive zodiac]

i find both of them responsible the one who is not wearing modest clothing, and the one who is harassing her ,and the most blame is on the men even if she was naked he should not look at her, and if u look to Egypt where bad education and worse economical situations is combined ull not be amazed when see like these kind of phenomenon

[mystic bay]

that uncomfortable moment when someone you don't know adds you and calls you

[prisma cipher]

Yea go home and love your country there

[manic juniper]

If you support equal rights and equality then yes you are one

[manic juniper]

The "Mehmet, Berlin" nationalist meme

[verbal torrent]

yes..

[manic juniper]

https://apnews.com/article/iceland-women-strike-equal-pay-970669466116a2b1a5673a8737089d46
It's still needed. It's not as obvious if you are not a woman but it's still needed

Even in some of the most progressive countries there is no real equality yet, most of the times it's only on paper and not actually enforced

[mystic bay]

I think that equality is a 'deepity'

Egalitarian statements are usually ambiguous, and when you try to assign meaning to them they end up being either trivial or pernicious

I think we can say everything we want to say without invoking the concept of equality

[restive zodiac]

i don't think equality is Just ,when disregarding differences between both Genders ,i believe Equity is quite Just than equality.

[mystic bay]

https://i.imgflip.com/47a6ko.jpg?a483240

[soft glacier]

Lmao

[shy summit]

This looks more like other people showing support

[shy summit]

Still needed

[prisma cipher]

People who stay, fuck that support.

[shy summit]

There’s nothing wrong with support

[sonic lion]

Couldn’t help to contain my laughter at the irony: a man telling if the women’s movement is worthy or not.

[crude widget]

I think there are more criteria to consider before labelling someone as a feminist. For one thing, one must hold the view that society is patriarchal and that barriers need to be removed in order for equality to be achieved for women.

In my view, even if one agrees that equality is essential, that person would not be a feminist if they believe that no changes are needed in order to achieve equality. In other words, they don't perceive any inequalities.

[prisma cipher]

It's bad time for your country and if you so patriotic you have chance for really help. But you out. And from abroad you say I support you. I hate analogy but it like your friends at the fight with someone but you at home call him and say I support you.

Imagine Russia with China attack America, your friends run from it to Canada, and from there say I support you dude, we so patriotic we like America, fight good while we chill

[sonic lion]

Are we talking about feminism or patriotism?

[prisma cipher]

Feminism, I interrupted it

[sonic lion]

Oh, that’s fine

[restive spade]

Feminist

[prisma cipher]

I think feminists is good idea but nowadays it summoned freakish girl

[sonic lion]

I think the main problem with feminism today is liberal feminism, since it extracts all the politics of it in order to be marketable

The whole barbie girl boss thing

[restive zodiac]

I hate this radical concept of feminism, it aims to destroy nuclear family In order to remove those inequalities.

[sonic lion]

If you understand the nuclear family as oppressive towards women then what else should we do

[restive zodiac]

I dont think so ,i do consider differences and diversity of roles

that makes calling for equality without considering them harmful to society

[sonic lion]

I think equality is tricky. I prefer to fight for the emancipation of women but I guess that’s another type of feminism

I think it depends on a revolution

[shy summit]

The nuclear family paints women into a role of subservience as opposed to modern interpretations as co-equals

[restive zodiac]

first feminsim mvt was calling legitimate rights and equal opportunity, which I approve it ,but with this last mvmt it became a radical and harmful ideology

[shy summit]

There is a law currently on the roster in congress that would take away the right of married women to vote if it passes.

There is ABSOLUTELY still a need for feminism

[sonic lion]

Plus the majority of women have a “double journey” of work (I’m not sure that translation is correct) since it’s expected of them to both work outside and inside. The domestic work is entirely relied on them, not to mention taking care of children

[sonic lion]

Why is it harmful? Harmful towards who?

[restive zodiac]

those Ppl who distorted the image of nuclear family

[shy summit]

Double standard

[sonic lion]

And there’s nothing wrong with something being radical, it means you want to solve a problem by it’s roots

[restive zodiac]

towards both genders

[shy summit]

The nuclear family is a relatively new concept that sprouted up less than a hundred years ago.

[sonic lion]

Elaborate

[shy summit]

It gained popularity during the baby boom

[sonic lion]

I think who destroys the image of the nuclear family is precisely the ones who claims it to be some sort of holy institution

You guys fail to see reality as it is

[restive zodiac]

this consept only produce distorted generation

[shy summit]

Distorted how

Define distorted

[sonic lion]

He only writes half sentences

Can you just make a complete argument?

[restive zodiac]

it was as it is for thousands of yrs, it doesn't make it rights but looking to consequences of the new concept it is without shade of doubt a tragedy to human society

[odd gulch]

Wassup guys ... what are you guys talking about?

[sonic lion]

You think erasing the nuclear family is a tragedy to society?

There’s other forms of organization

[manic juniper]

No

[restive zodiac]

that produce distorted generations?.

[sonic lion]

😭

[sonic lion]

What do you mean by distorted

And how can you prove it

[manic juniper]

Nuclear families aren't even ideal

Your parents and the community around you are more important than just a man and a woman

[sonic lion]

Exactly

Communities, for instance, is a much better way of organization

[shy summit]

Most of human history we didn’t live in nuclear families. We lived in multigenerational and multifamilial quarters

Answer my original question

Define what you mean by a “Distorted Generation”

[restive zodiac]

look to the society today ,kids arent rised well when their parents are not there for them ,I think what I mean with distorted is very clear

[manic juniper]

If they don't perceive any it could simply be a product of ignorance, I was like that too, still a feminist. I just had no idea because I wasn't aware of how men behaved and how equal pay is just a fable

The guy is from a poor conservative country, he isn't knowledgeable enough about the flaws of the "West" and that's normal. I don't know all details about his country either

[restive zodiac]

u just repeated same sentence ,ohh u added community but I think its role is secondary and its not something that's with from day u were born

[prisma cipher]

Zelensky begs Putin to take him away for debts. https://youtu.be/MXqMcHAZwU8?si=KxXppyxXq_yb8LIk old funny days

[manic juniper]

The community is with you from the day you are born lmfao otherwise you grow up friendless and alienated

It's just as important

[prisma cipher]

What the heck is nuclear family

[manic juniper]

Mother and father

With kid(s)

[prisma cipher]

Why not Normal family

[prisma cipher]

Reading our local news about rare bird that was taking a photo, not sure if it just rare or rare for our region. I suppose it rare for us. Never heard about it, looks like duck

This is I google I wiki about it

[manic juniper]

They don't live in Russia year round

It's rare if the water is often frozen, they dwell where it's accessible

[prisma cipher]

Lol global warming this year we almost don't have snow

[manic juniper]

Dark green is where they live year round, lighter green is where they live only if the water isn't frozen

[prisma cipher]

Yes pic was taking at winter time

Obviously it winter

[manic juniper]

Yes, makes it even more rare

[prisma cipher]

I wonder what happens if one year it will be so warm and birds just don't flying abroad like they do usually, will it do big impact or no one noticed.

[verbal torrent]

Dont wonder asko

They are just birds

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/mustard-plays-gif-25858673

The are

[manic juniper]

It may cause a mess in the Russian fishing industry or local fishermen

Since birds will stay and eat more fishes than usual

Could cause an ecological collapse

[shy summit]

Thats a result of money not feminism

[sonic lion]

And it’s usually the dad who is absent

[waxen shale]

Because of discord and less fishing with daddy and cooking with mummy. You got a kids whos very technologically addicted.

[thorny steeple]

Which makes the number of feminists grow exponentially

[urban swift]

Reminds me of the aral sea.
USSR scientists really were experimental

[urban swift]

Who took?

I can sense some super powers who are still in play, messing around with small nations ?

[urban swift]

Winners not only write the history they also cause chaos.

[urban swift]

Yeah, and ironically they look down upon germany for what they did but never assess their own actions.

Rules for thee, not for me

[urban swift]

Representatives do, official representatives represent their nation.

[urban swift]

I saw it yesterday. The top comment was something like
"It's not common in balkans but it's normal"

Wanted to post too but didn't lol

[feral river]

Are you a female ? I don’t think so

[urban swift]

If I'm not female, can't i or someone else show concerns?

[feral river]

you may not pay anything to show some concerns, but you will pay it because it shows that you showed concerns

and some are labeled as the signal of enemies

I don't see any constructive interest-relating issues around you with the right of female, they either support them as female, or being related to that movement which they can earn money or having actual interest of it, that's all understandable

your concern only exposes that you have that trait or ideology which will expose your concern to other people for nothing would attract more suspect feelings towards you by different people

if I'm the government, the first guy I would suppress is people like you.

and we do that

[urban swift]

Why don't you see it?
I'm not a bot, AI? Mother, sisters, cousin sisters, friends, female colleagues, etc females are a big part of our world and connected to us lol
Don't you have any female connections anymore to be concerned for them?

Why do you need money to show concerns for your own people?

[urban swift]

Yeah it always takes a piece of your mental peace to stand up for something and raise concerns. We definitely pay for our views and concerns.
If you don't have enemies you haven't stood up for anything in your life(which is understandable)

[urban swift]

Fine with it, my ancestors have a history of having beef with prevailing govt/rulers 💪

[urban swift]

What trait and ideology we talking about here? State clearly

[urban swift]

No worries. Won't step back from my values and fear of bothersome govt

[urban swift]

I know that. It's so prevalent and bothersome.
People in authority love to suppress. There are articles every now and then

[dusty nebula]

Hi

[cedar cobalt]

Hey

[dusty nebula]

Hru

[cedar cobalt]

Pretty fine and you?

[dusty nebula]

All good , where r u from د

[mystic bay]

I guess all your government's failings are your responsibility then

[cedar cobalt]

France, and you ?

[dusty nebula]

Nice to meet, I'm Egyptian

[cedar cobalt]

Nice to meet you

[cedar cobalt]

What are you looking for?

[dusty nebula]

Nothing special

FYI I'm 27

[cedar cobalt]

Just chat?

[dusty nebula]

Need to improve my English

Writing and talking

Wbu?

[cedar cobalt]

Barely the same, I'm also looking for interesting conversations

[dusty nebula]

What do you like to talk about

[feral river]

I don't think that was related to feminism

feminism was like a gender struggle which far different away from caring your family members and friends

you showed your concerns over your family and friends, very nice but how does that even relevant to interest relating issues with feminism ?

I stand my family member especially female member they are used to be vulnerable against external threat which decided by their DNA and also from social discrimination, but I don't stand with feminism

[feral river]

I respect that totally.

[urban swift]

I'm not an official representative of my nation

[mystic bay]

Right, but you're being represented

[urban swift]

'official'

[urban swift]

I once met a girl who said something similar.
She was antifeminist.

Yeah there are anti-feminist women too.
You see, this is the third wave of feminism, for which I've mixed reviews but 1st and 2nd wave of feminism was really necessary.

Moreover you gotta understand the things you take for granted is not prevalent in other parts of the world. E.g., if you really hail from China you'll understand it. In China women can wear their choice of clothes. Compared to india, it's not normalised yet for women to wear shorts, spaghetti top etc a little revealing dress and it becomes an unwanted invitation for judgement and creeps.
In China, due to one child policy people have raised daughters with equal resources as sons but not so same with India(I'm talking in general there are definitely families who don't differentiate between daughters and sons in India). Chinese society is in better position in case of gender discrimination compared to conservative countries like India.
Other countries really need those basic, small upliftment.(Unless conservative men thinks otherwise)

These are just small examples of why feminism is so needed in many parts of the world.

[formal pilot]

Lemme ask ai to make it shorter so I can read it 💀
/S

[urban swift]

4B movement in South korea is blowing out of proportion for a reason.
They were raised as equal as sons but after that they faced discrimination from society and career fields which has backfired.

[urban swift]

It's related. Feminism is for women and family is formed of women members too. Don't you think ?

[feral river]

one child policy was abolished a few years ago, and even there's one child policy, what government have done to woman who violate it, is just few fines.
we don't really consider that as a huge human rights violation as what they think in the west, and it did impact our economy so we abolished it later.

[feral river]

is it ? how hard it would be for a normal woman in India which you did the comparison work between India and China

[urban swift]

I didn't comment on one child policy. I just mentioned it In the context that since families were forced to have only one child they raised their child without discrimination, provided all resources and without discrimination, even if the child is a son or daughter.

I didn't say anything bad or good about one child policy.

[feral river]

one child policy was more like a propaganda rather than demograhic plan, government did not strictly enforce this policy but spreading news about how bad if a woman had two kids and even it has impact to today it was not like "we are finally having the liberation from that policy" but "I don't give a shit because I don't even want kids"

so even one child policy is abolished, our fertility rate is still decreasing.

[weak sleet]

Why you don't want kids

[urban swift]

To your question if feminism have to do anything with female family members.

Yes it does, has any your female family member faced biased, discrimination, assault because of misogynistic ideology?

[feral river]

because they want to enjoy their life, average in East Asia

if they got a kid they have to take care of it, it was a huge expense for a person

[weak sleet]

You are also participating to decline fertility rate

[feral river]

I will have a kid probably 2 but depends how rich I'm

I don't want that situation of I'm having kids and my living condition was declined because of it

neither I wanna have more finanicial burden from that situation

[feral river]

no

or they think it happens but in reality, that's just fine

[weak sleet]

I agree with you but the question is are doing something to achieve what we want

We

[feral river]

for my family and friends I don't have any woman complaining their rights or something

they even condemn the feminism trend

some of them yes

[weak sleet]

It's meant to be condemned

[urban swift]

Better ask women.

What do they say is:

1. men don't get equally involved in raising a child
2. Most sacrifices are made on women's end
3. they have studied/hardworked whole life to build a career, they don't feel like ditching it.
4. raising kids and providing them with adequate resources is so expensive in today's profit mongering economy that it is not possible on one person's salary

[feral river]

why would they have such problem is just because they didn't got a nice men

lmao

[weak sleet]

Nah bro i don't agree with your 2 and 3 reason

[urban swift]

Is misogyny against women fine ?

[urban swift]

Not my points.

Those are women's views.

[feral river]

that happens ?

[urban swift]

[weak sleet]

How do you know that every woman feels the same

[feral river]

well there's a little bit discrimination in companies against women who got pregnant because they are having their pregnant vacation with paid salaries, if you did that you will probably got fired in the future

[weak sleet]

Nah bro keep it to your self

[feral river]

that's at least a discrimination besides that I can't even figure out if there's more.

[urban swift]

It's better if women reply to you on that.
I just presented a few of their views that I happen to learn about

[urban swift]

Never claimed 'every woman'. But some of the top views i represented

There are definitely more

[crude widget]

I think such a person could be a feminist-in-the-making within patriarchal systems. However, if they found themselves one day in a society which was matriarchal (or perceived it as such) and saw obstacles for men to achieve equality, they certainly shouldn't be called a feminist imo. The only reason we immediately think that egalitarians should be labelled feminists is because of the current status quo in the majority of societies today as patriarchies.

[feral river]

I don't see there's much discriminatory actions in society collectively against women.

that's why I think feminism was a joke

[weak sleet]

Bro i In today's system only hardwork matters not the gender

[urban swift]

I wish you fall in love and develop genuine feelings for a woman and she makes you realise, how bad sometimes it can get

[thorny steeple]

Feminism should be removed from the society
In developed countries they have been more pro lgbt

[feral river]

that was removed in China

their LGBT insititution was even demolished by government

[thorny steeple]

China dont have lgbt, there are many complex issues with that I dont like lgbt, I think so it should be removed
lgbt is a threat to society

[feral river]

their medicine was prohibited to instruct for gender conversion purposes

[weak sleet]

Their ideology is tilted towards earning equally without working hard like communism

[thorny steeple]

Do you like chinese communism tbh?

[feral river]

I'm a capitalist, and under right-wing

I don't like communism

[thorny steeple]

Womens can get quality of the earning everywhere, they dont need movement

[thorny steeple]

ngl there should be accountability for everything and single party system is better than elections.

[weak sleet]

Need to work hard 💪

[feral river]

that's not communism at all 👍

more like a modern stalinism

state capitalism

[crude widget]

I admit, some portrayals of feminists appear to advocate for special treatment for women only because of their gender. I think feminism in its purest theoretical form simply wants to remove special treatment of men simply because of their gender. Feminism really ought to be about merit, as you seem to advocate for. I would say that you are a feminist, by my conception for definition of the term. That is, if you perceive that women are being unfairly treated in society.

[thorny steeple]

low class women are treated badly, there are less chances to bring elite under accountability

[weak sleet]

Can you give any example how women are treated unfairly

[thorny steeple]

low class child and men are even treated badly

[weak sleet]

I never saw any women working in suers

Life isn't fair it's biased towards your luck and hardwork

[crude widget]

In the USA, women experience higher levels of harassment and discrimination in the workplace. Also reportedly earn less wages compared to men who perform the same job.

[weak sleet]

Are you from the States bro

[slender coral]

What's the problem with that? There are a lot of women who oppose feminism out there. Men and women are a part of the same society and it makes sense that they both need to be on the same page in regards to something like feminism.
Btw, this is something conservative women say to men when they express feminist views.

[slender coral]

It's something that the entire middle east is struggling with. The honor culture and the victim blaming are preventing victims from reporting.

[cedar cobalt]

What is the debate?

[crude widget]

I lived there most of my life

[slender coral]

"One region where the #MeToo campaign has been somewhat quieter is the Arab world. Experts believe that the burden of harassment and abuse there is as rife as in any other region but that the voices heard are few and far between.
“There are so many reasons behind this silence,” said Lina Abirafeh, director of the Institute for Women’s Studies in the Arab World, in Lebanon. “I’ve heard trickles … (but) people are scared.”

She highlighted the stigma and shame associated with speaking out about experiences with sexual harassment or assault.
Though shame and stigma could be argued to be universal, Abirafeh says it’s particularly an issue in the Arab world, where women risk losing their jobs and family by coming forward. Some families may even kill their daughters if they are no longer virgins, she added."
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/25/health/sexual-harassment-violence-abuse-global-levels/index.html

[weak sleet]

How modern feminism kills the society

[cedar cobalt]

Wow

[weak sleet]

And you decided to move out

[thorny steeple]

anti lgbt too

[weak sleet]

I don't even understand the concept of lgbt

[urban swift]

Honour killings

[weak sleet]

I think LGBTQ+++++++ are those who have mental health issues

[slender coral]

It's movement that advocates for the rights of minorities with different sexual orientations and gender identities.

[weak sleet]

What are different sexuality

[cedar cobalt]

Why ?

[crude widget]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

they should be immediately stopped

[thorny steeple]

they should be banned, humanity will be at verge of chaos

[weak sleet]

Look how they talk and how they dress up

[slender coral]

There's no respectable institution that's specialized in mental health would say that. The classification of these stuff as mental health issues has ended very long time ago even before the current strong growth of the movement.

[cedar cobalt]

That doesn't tell me why

[weak sleet]

You know many people try to get into the States for their American dream

[crude widget]

Yes I do realise that

[thorny steeple]

if the whole world will follow this then the human race will be stopped

hhuman will be ended so ban them and punish them for that

[cedar cobalt]

Is it that serious? I mean, language, attire, it changes depending on the culture and usually we don't make a big deal about it

[weak sleet]

If you feel good may I know the reason for moving out

[weak sleet]

Culture came from your ancestors man it's a generation thing

You are Linking a thousand years or traditions with LGBT

[crude widget]

I won't get into that, but suffice it to say, it has nothing to do with the structure of society nor the American dream

[cedar cobalt]

Homosexuality and cross-dressing existed in ancient times tbh

In Greek societies in particular

[verbal torrent]

Or in ottoman empire

[thorny steeple]

they even dont exist today

[thorny steeple]

they were punished hardly in ottomans

[slender coral]

This a very bad argument because it simply can't happen. The proportions of lgbt folk across different society are mostly fixed, they are a minority.
And even if this ridiculous scenario happen and most people in the world become queer, they can simply have children to keep humans. There are many ways to do this without sex and even if sex is necessary people would do it, being queer doesn't mean being entirely unable to have straight sex.

[cedar cobalt]

Are you guys have a religion?

[slender coral]

Do you?

[cedar cobalt]

No, that's why I don't have any morals to guide me

[weak sleet]

Religion has nothing to do with that

[cedar cobalt]

And I don't see why it's wrong

[weak sleet]

It's about how practically you're thinking 💭

[cedar cobalt]

Of course it does, it defines your values and what you consider right or wrong.

[verbal torrent]

Being left-handed used to be seen as a 'disease' or an 'aberration' but now we know that it is a normal part of human nature (science) LGBT+ is a different orientation or identitynot a disease

[thorny steeple]

what religion do you follow?

[weak sleet]

If you follow anything blindly it will make you go down from clift

[weak sleet]

When

I never heard of a disease name being lefty

[weak sleet]

No we don't and it's no normal

[verbal torrent]

Why are you so worried about a future you are perhaps not even in?
The dinosaurs are dead many species are extinct and one day humans will be too it is an unstoppable fact

[verbal torrent]

Search then

[weak sleet]

We as a society contribute towards the future

A craft it

And*

[verbal torrent]

It has been scientifically proven that lgbt identities are not illnesses

[weak sleet]

Nah bro humans won't extinct as we are Apex predators

[slender coral]

Historically, left-handed individuals have faced significant stigma and discrimination across various cultures and time periods.

Cultural and Religious Stigmatization:

Medieval Europe: Left-handedness was often associated with malevolent forces. During the Middle Ages, left-handers were in danger of being accused of practicing witchcraft.

Religious Practices: In many religious contexts, the right hand is favored for rituals and daily activities, while the left hand is considered impure. For instance, in Islamic tradition, the left hand is used for personal hygiene, leading to cultural perceptions of the left hand as "unclean."

Educational and Social Pressures:

Forced Hand Conversion: Throughout the 20th century, left-handed children were often compelled to use their right hand for writing and other tasks. This practice was prevalent in various countries, including the Soviet Union and parts of Asia. Such forced conversion could lead to learning disorders, dyslexia, stuttering, and other speech issues.

Japan: In Japan, societal pressures led to a high rate of forced conversion among left-handed individuals. A study indicated that a significant proportion of left-handed children were compelled to switch to right-handedness, with cultural beliefs associating left-handedness with bad luck.

Linguistic Biases:

Negative Connotations: Many languages have inherent biases against left-handedness. For example, the term "sinister" is derived from the Latin word for "left," and in French, "gauche" means both "left" and "awkward" or "clumsy." These linguistic associations reflect and perpetuate societal prejudices against left-handed individuals.

These historical biases have contributed to the marginalization of left-handed individuals, affecting their education, social interactions, and self-perception. While modern societies have become more accepting, remnants of these prejudices can still influence cultural attitudes today.

[shy summit]

No but I’m a feminist

[cedar cobalt]

Yes I think so

[shy summit]

This is a devious and dangerous take there hun.

[cedar cobalt]

It's dangerous with people who don't know how to control themselves, fortunately we are here to discuss calmly

[shy summit]

I would like to hope so

[slender coral]

It's a very common argument with these people.

[cedar cobalt]

Because it is true, hateful behavior is never harmless actually

[shy summit]

True

Hate only leads to harm

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-wise-smart-advice-fear-leads-to-anger-gif-5470769

[slender coral]

There was a depressing story about an elderly woman who slit her daughter's throat because the daughter was SAed in Lebanon. If I recall correctly, she got imprisoned for a couple of years.
After she got out of prison she had an interview about what she did on tv.

I fucking hate this region so fucking much

There's no English CC, I'm putting it for those who understand Arabic.
https://youtu.be/X2QuWrJrshc?si=CmkFMMAHNzueM5rJ

[shy summit]

This isn’t even a religion thing is a gender role misogyny conservationalist thing.

[feral river]

you stunned me for almost 3 mins

[shy summit]

Color me impressed that you haven’t yet pegged me for a civil rights activist

[feral river]

extra 3 mins

what makes you a civil rights activist

[shy summit]

Lgbt rights women’s rights racial equality

Three things just right off the bat

[urban swift]

Why was she in the prison at first place

[urban swift]

I have heard such horrible stories of honour killings of people from those backgrounds that I never heard before.
Most of honour killings stories get uncovered if the daughter was 1st generation to immigrant parents in west

[slender coral]

For the honor killing y'know.

[mystic bay]

Left-handed people are the most oppressed minority

Especially left-handed bass players

[urban swift]

Oh, that's the mother in the video. My bad

[urban swift]

This guy is doing such noble work. I've seen more videos of this show

[manic juniper]

USSR did

[feral river]

everyone's doing that

you would do that if you are a superpower

[restive zodiac]

I see that mentality but i think it has nothing to do with religion its cultural cult i think .

[slender coral]

I think Islam indirectly caused it by weakening women role in society, it minimized their ability to protect themselves from such things.

Same can be said about many other religions honestly, but traditional Islam currently has stronger influence over its followers.

[restive zodiac]

its quite the opposite Islam afford women rights to study and seek knowledge and work, and right to vote and heritage before any one did ,islam honored women when they were treated like a commodity to a person equal to men in statue and essence.
the idea of victime blaming has nothing to do with Islam.

[manic juniper]

Wasn't Muhammad's first wife a powerful merchant already

Doesn't seem like Islam did much or anything at all when a woman already had her own business before the spread of Islam

[restive zodiac]

women from the elite are not quite same as rest of other girls

[slender coral]

How are women equal to men exactly when men have the guardianship of women even if they are younger? No Islam didn't give these rights to women, where in the Quran or Hadiths did it state that women have the right to do that? It always dependns on the man and what he is willing to give.

[restive zodiac]

there was discriminations

[restive zodiac]

based on family statue and lineage

[slender coral]

Islam is very patriarchal at the end of the day, and that trait strengthens honor culture.

[restive zodiac]

they are equal in humanity, that s what i meant.
guardianship is in marriage, and its the father if she is not married, what s the problem in that?. its a responsibility on his shoulder to afford her needs and security, it s the role of a father to do so and the girl should obey in which is good and approved.

[slender coral]

It's not about protection, it's about control. As you said, the girl should obey.

[restive zodiac]

in which is known and approved

[slender coral]

Under Islam she always obeys as long as her man doesn't command her to do something that's haram. That deprives her of her independance and weakens her role in society.

That gives space for honor culture to become strong, since women aren't able to push against it.

[restive zodiac]

no ,the man being the leader of the relationship as he s the afforder and responsible for many things. it s a something which is good for women when they are free from holdin much responibilities ,but that doesn't mean she cant work or study ?

[slender coral]

What if the man doesn't want her to work or study?

She can disobey him and do that?

[restive zodiac]

then its up to her if she agreed or not

[slender coral]

No it isn't

That's haram and socially unacceptable

[restive zodiac]

work?

[slender coral]

Not work

Disobeying the male guardian

[restive zodiac]

the idea of work should be discussed when they re engaged

then they could agree on one thing

[slender coral]

Wtf are you saying?

I'm talking about the male guardian generally not only the husband

[restive zodiac]

in other words they ve to discuss the idea of work before marriage to avoid clashes about it after marriage

[grave shoal]

already resorted to cursing

🤣

[urban swift]

Something Interesting I'd like to point out here,
Until she was alive mohammad never married another woman, no sermon from God for him to marry another woman. No verse on multiple wives until married to a strong wealthy woman* .

[slender coral]

Whaaat?

Oh you mean wtf

Sowy >_<

[mystic bay]

[thorny steeple]

At least this time he married someone his age

[formal pilot]

[slender coral]

She was 15 years older than him lol

Bro was in his "I wanna be the victim" phase.

[verbal torrent]

Lol

Milfy milfy

[thorny steeple]

If they get fired, they can sue the company

[slender coral]

I wanna ask the non religious here a question, especially those coming from a Christian background. Why Muslim communities tend to be more fanatical than Christian communities? My theory is that Christianity is less consistent than Islam, that makes Christian texts more flexible and easier to interpret to fit modren life.

[thorny steeple]

Islam is a dynamic religion. It is not confined to the past. To build a modern Islamic civilization better than world defined with morality, we must revive the practice of Ijtihad and adapt the principles of Salaf

[slender coral]

Adapting the principles of Salaf is something that really pulls you to the past.

[thorny steeple]

the justice, bravery and more other principles which you really cannot find today

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-kim-cat-cat-saying-kim-kim-meow-cat-meow-kim-gif-23670889

[thorny steeple]

you only exposed your ignorant and dull mind

The marriage of the Prophet Muhammad S.A.W is on wisdom and purpose for the coming generation as exmaple. In the sermon at hajj over 120,000 companions were there all of them werre following him. They all wanted to be with him close with him. Wives of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W was mostly widows, the marriage was based on their consent.

[mystic bay]

The main reason is that Christianity is decidedly non-political. Christian ethics emphasises personal virtue, and virtue is, by its very nature, adaptable. What makes something a virtue is something that is not contingent on particular historical conditions, but how virtue is expressed is going to look very different depending on where and when you are. Courage, temperance and wisdom will always be virtues, but what they demand will be socially and culturally conditioned. This means that Christianity is relatively open to modernity.

What is more, virtue is something that individuals must learn, through personal growth and training. Virtue cannot be enforced. That would be like my going to the gym for you. I can only do that for myself.

Christians also have a very distinctive view of what a virtuous life looks like: it is one of meekness. Christian ethics encourages peaceful and dignified resilience in the face of thuggishness and coercion. If the Muslims in this server are any indication, this seems to be anathema to Islam. Islam seems to place comparatively less emphasis on cultivating virtue and focuses more on rule-following.

[thorny steeple]

We have to recognize that both Christianity and Islam are diverse in practice and interpretation. also the teachings of Prophet Jesus A.S and Prophet Muhammad S.A.W..... Islam emphasizes on personal virtue, but within the context of following the divine guidance. Rule following in Islam isnt about rigidity, or older something like that it's a means to align with ethical principles that promote justice, compassion, and peace. While Christianity encourages meekness, Islam equally emphasizes strength in faith, justice, and standing for what’s right not wron

[manic juniper]

Christianity used to be much closer to Islam once, no matter the various sects. The main difference being societal developments that ended up altering the impact of beliefs in everyday life and the countries secularising over time

If you want an Islam-like example of Christianity (worse than the average iteration of Islam even) look up Mormonism

[mystic bay]

Of course, there is variety in both religions. But I think it is fair to say that virtue occupies a much more central place in Christianity than it does in Islam, as compared with a more 'legal' approach to ethics.

Islam seems to be much more enthusiastic about advancing a kind of structural political vision

[manic juniper]

I'd say it's too many factors to describe it in a short text, and it varies in a country by country basis. But at least when it comes to Europe (and the Eurosphere, so the Americas as well) it has to do with mainly those events

[mystic bay]

I am not really talking sociologically here

I am talking theologically

[manic juniper]

Yes I was referring to my own text, not yours

I think I agree with your description

[mystic bay]

I'm talking about the ethics of the Sermon on the Mount, of the Pauline epistles, not what this or that nominally Christian culture is like

[restive zodiac]

if u look to Christians text u ll find things that discourage the idea of personal virtues

[manic juniper]

Christianity was heavily politicised in the past but always acted more like a tool than anything else, since it doesn't seem to have a model for a new societal system of that kind

[mystic bay]

It is a fault of many Christians that they are too political, in my opinion

[thorny steeple]

In Islam the virtue and personal conduct are highly important the Qur'an and Hadith repeatedly emphasize kindness, charity, and justice, legal principles --Sharia-- play a central role in guiding both personal and communal life. it readults in the virtueness

[manic juniper]

Yes, it used to be even worse

[mystic bay]

I might have glanced at 'Christian text' once or twice

[manic juniper]

It's especially funny when they created Christian sects for political reasons but happens to many religions

[restive zodiac]

u want an example?

[manic juniper]

The Sunni/Shia divide is pretty much the same

[thorny steeple]

the divide isnt based on thepolitical system

or the virute

[manic juniper]

They disagreed on who the successor would be or how it would be chosen

It's pretty much political

[waxen shale]

Shia and sunnis is not sects.

[waxen shale]

No

[manic juniper]

Lol what is it then? Boyscout sections?

[mystic bay]

If you've got something you want to say then just say it

[thorny steeple]

it wasnt based on it

[manic juniper]

They are a denomination or a sect

[waxen shale]

You don't even understand it... You just eating what people said..

[stoic cedar]

Hi all

[mystic bay]

lol

[thorny steeple]

where did you came from?

[manic juniper]

??? It's universally agreed upon, perhaps you don't even know the definition