🧠｜serious-chat

[restive zodiac]

I don't

[shy summit]

To call them all crimminal is telling…

[stoic whale]

it's not empathy, it's understanding the world in which we are living

[restive zodiac]

i just display ur inconsistencies

[slender coral]

I get your point now, but I wonder if it's the case with the Quran. The verses don't clarify this, and if you read the next verse you would find it threatening with hell for disbelievers generally. The verse 17:88 repeats the same point but this time the tafsir doesn't provide similar context.

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If ˹all˺ humans and jinn were to come together to produce the equivalent of this Quran, they could not produce its equal, no matter how they supported each other.”

And actually tafsir Ma'arif Al-Qur'an falls into shifting the burden of proof trying to explain the verse

The subject in verse 88: قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الْإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ (If all humans and jinns join together...) appears in some other verses of the Holy Qur'an as well. Challenging the humankind, it has been said there: If you do not take the Qur'an to be the word of Allah, rather take it to be a word of man, then, you too are human, why would you not come up with its like?
https://quran.com/17/88

[stoic whale]

in my country, north african and black people are most likely to be arrested and it was proven.

[dapper laurel]

says immigrants don't commit crimes
He is given statistics that prove the opposite

Buuttt discrimination 😔🥺

[thorny steeple]

Tunisia?

[stoic whale]

i told you to give me statistics from germany, you weren't able too. also, "black people" aren't immigrants if they've been living there for generations and have citizenship.

[stoic whale]

i'm european.

[dapper laurel]

But nobody ever thinks about the victims, is that true or not? When I wrote about that terrorist who killed a 14-year-old boy, nobody expressed a word of regret for that situation, you defended the criminal ofc, nobody thinks what really happened

[restive zodiac]

that's not what i said , ur just dishonest person that takes things in a surfacing way

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[stoic whale]

please show me when i defended the criminal.

[dapper laurel]

Everyone thinks of the poor misfit criminals, but no one thinks of the real victims, what is happening to the world today

[stoic whale]

i really want to see

i see victims and criminals all day, i know what i'm talking about.

[dapper laurel]

You defended his category, inevitably and implicitly you defended him

[slender coral]

Bruh

[stoic whale]

what is his category ?

[slender coral]

He is referring to immigrants I think

[thorny steeple]

C'mon broski the category is needed

[dapper laurel]

👌🏻

[slender coral]

Damn

[stoic whale]

so once again, are you saying that immigrants are all criminals?

[slender coral]

Basically yeah

[restive zodiac]

i think u ve wasted there , u dont even ve a respond

[dapper laurel]

Usually

[stoic whale]

because you said it wasn't the case earlier

[thorny steeple]

Is there any evidence to back it up

[slender coral]

I don't think so

You can say immigrants commit crime more often but saying they are criminals is crazy

[dapper laurel]

Not all are criminals, most are. That's what I said

[slender coral]

I don't think most are is factually right

[stoic whale]

please show me a statistic from the government which states that all immigrants are criminals

[thorny steeple]

Get the evidence chart to see how's it truly like

[stoic whale]

we want evidence

maybe in your country it's the case and i'm not aware of that

[dapper laurel]

Holy shit, I had just finished saying that not all of them are criminals

[stoic whale]

but you said most of them are

[restive zodiac]

most of them are criminals based on what?

[stoic whale]

i want a proof

[dapper laurel]

This means that not everyone is

[thorny steeple]

Get the data bro from Italy

[stoic whale]

but most of them are, i want statistics

[restive zodiac]

based on a data shows immigrants are the most arrested ?

[dapper laurel]

Holy moly, that will be wild bro

I'll try to find one

[thorny steeple]

Yeah that's why evidence is always needed for such claims

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[thorny steeple]

Translate it y'know I don't speak Italian

[dapper laurel]

Translation: Percentage of foreigners detained in prison. in Italy it is 35.3%, in Switzerland it reaches 74.3%, In relation to the immigrant population in Italy, these numbers are quite high

[dapper laurel]

@stoic whale

[restive zodiac]

bcz that argument doesn't work and ill label all UK citizens to be mostly criminal and here is why :
Overall, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens. This finding has been replicated in numerous studies across different countries, including the UK.

Second-generation immigrants may have similar crime rates to native-born citizens. Research suggests that the initial protective effect against crime may diminish in subsequent generations as they become more integrated into society and potentially face similar socioeconomic challenges.

Socioeconomic factors play a significant role. Crime rates are more closely linked to factors like poverty, unemployment, lack of educational opportunities, and social inequality than to immigration status itself. Immigrants are often overrepresented in lower socioeconomic groups, which can make it appear as though they are more prone to crime when, in fact, it's the socioeconomic factors that are more influential.

Media portrayal can skew perceptions. Media coverage can sometimes overemphasize crimes committed by immigrants, creating a distorted perception of the actual reality.

Studies have generally found that immigrants in the UK are less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens.
The vast majority of crime in the UK is committed by people born in the UK.

[dapper laurel]

Happy now?

[thorny steeple]

Works great

[restive zodiac]

National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (US): Their 2016 report on "The Integration of Immigrants into American Society" has a chapter dedicated to crime and immigration. You can find it here: https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/24628/the-integration-of-immigrants-into-american-society (Look for the chapter on crime).

Criminology Journal (Meta-Analysis): While I can't link directly to the Vélez, Martínez, and Lee (2018) meta-analysis due to paywall restrictions, searching for it by title and authors on Google Scholar or a university library database should help you find it. Meta-analyses are considered high-quality evidence.

Organizations and Research Centers:

Migration Observatory (University of Oxford): They provide briefings and reports on migration-related issues, including crime. Their UK-focused research can be found here: https://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/ (Search their site for "crime" or "immigration and crime").

Cato Institute: They have published articles and policy briefs on the topic, arguing against the idea that immigration increases crime. Here's an example: https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigration-threat-public-safety (Note: Cato is a libertarian think tank, so consider their perspective).

Justice Research Center: For research specifically on the UK, you can look at publications from this center, although access may be limited: https://justiceresearchcenter.org/

"Understanding the relationship between immigration and crime" (2018) by the Migration Observatory, University of Oxford: This briefing note summarizes the available evidence for the UK, suggesting that there is no clear link between immigration and increased crime rates.

"The Effects of Immigration on Crime Rates in England and Wales" (2015) by Justice Research Center: This study found no statistically significant relationship between immigration and crime rates in England and Wales.

[cedar cobalt]

Is the brainy blonde still there?

[restive zodiac]

ur criteria to label immigrants to be most likely to be criminals is not universal at all

nor immigration is a reason for crimes

[thorny steeple]

So it's specific then?

[restive zodiac]

correlation doesn't imply causation

[cedar cobalt]

Yeah, it fits into the social variables of society

[restive zodiac]

no bcz from the beginning immigration is not the reason fro crimes

[feral river]

UK is a country for UK citizens

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[feral river]

if you are labelling UK citizens in UK is criminals, that only shows you are an enemy of them

nothing more

[dapper laurel]

It's not universal, but it still happens

[thorny steeple]

In what cases though?

[dapper laurel]

Italy for sure

[feral river]

what makes you think a country is a country ? because it is a country that work for the people who live in that country not these fucking ass aliens who wanted to stole their stuff

[dapper laurel]

Maybe the UK too

[feral river]

we need aliens because they can contribute our economy, not to mess up our shit

[thorny steeple]

Alright which areas of magna Italia

[cedar cobalt]

It is not indeed, but this is only one way of looking at the cogs of the structures.
If one thing causes another by domino effect, we can say that it is the origin, even if a different arrangement of the dominoes does not cause the same situation.

[dapper laurel]

Italia septentrionalis

Northern Italy

[thorny steeple]

That's a mouthful holy

[dapper laurel]

Italia settentrionale

[manic juniper]

Yes, if not even a Jew is capable of telling Palestinians and Israelis apart then they're not that different

Just as the other citizens they are not immune to criticism

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/black-albania-me-albania-be-careful-gypsy-gif-859021745449867172

[restive zodiac]

Crime rates are more closely linked to factors like poverty, unemployment, lack of educational opportunities, and social inequality than to immigration status itself.
Every individual, regardless of their nationality or immigration status, is responsible for their own actions. Judging entire groups of people based on the actions of a few is unfair and inaccurate.

[restive zodiac]

it doesn't necessarily happens bcz they re merely immigrants!

[thorny steeple]

Albania be like

[manic juniper]

Wasn't there another vehicular attack by one of them?

[thorny steeple]

Interesting 🧐 terrorist attack?

[restive zodiac]

so the original citizens committed crimes bcz they are original citizens?, ur logic is flawed bcz ur using the background of a person to ultimately predict his actions.

[manic juniper]

Yes

[dapper laurel]

Idk

[restive zodiac]

i see it to be just a usual crime

but just bcz maybe judging his background, becames terrorist

[manic juniper]

No he shouted Allah is great

[dapper laurel]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw4jj0p5jdo

[restive zodiac]

thats not true

[thorny steeple]

Yeah that's not simple crime then

[dapper laurel]

As usual, always the same shi

[manic juniper]

If someone shouts "Glory to Christ" while mowing down Muslims that's religiously motivated

[restive zodiac]

i dont think so

[dapper laurel]

Holy crap

[feral river]

you will never have that piece of crap in here

[restive zodiac]

especially if his religion oppose killin innocent people

[manic juniper]

I know right

[feral river]

in here everyone's month kept shut and everything is great

[manic juniper]

I guess that Christchurch shooting wasn't nationalistic and religiously motivated then

[feral river]

no mess, no crap, just chill

[restive zodiac]

u mixing religion with crime

it s not true

[manic juniper]

I didn't, the terrorists did

[restive zodiac]

u should not take it as fact then. if u r an honest person

[shy summit]

Some people do but moreso its usually racially or politically motivated

[manic juniper]

Hinduism does yet plenty of Hindutvas do

[thorny steeple]

Yeah you can see how it differs in different locations

[feral river]

so what, does that make it great ?

am I great because I oppose kill innocents ?

fuck nah

[manic juniper]

But it's a fact, if I recite Bible passages while killing people I'm either being an edgelord or I'm a religious terrorist

[restive zodiac]

hundutavs is a nationalistic radical idea and doesn't have any pillar in Hinduism

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-chicony-gif-10153925985595212197

[manic juniper]

Still religiously motivated

[torpid halo]

this should be common sense

[cedar cobalt]

You are right, I have a deterministic point of view, as for yours, it seems to be an existentialism one.
The question of responsibility is one of the most complicated, but I prefer not to pretend to know the answer.
If we remove ourselves from an anthropocentric point of view, it is easy to want the influence of things between them, and it seems to me that this is the way in which it is preferable to consider a problem, before involving a moral variable, and choosing our value judgments. Considering the interconnectivity Of these things, responsibility is primarily a subjective concept, because one decides to emphasize one thing rather than another.

[torpid halo]

that just means his reason for committing the aforementioned crime is religious

[dapper laurel]

Apparently not for everyone

[torpid halo]

also wtf is this type of writing

using big words

[feral river]

if I killed everyone, then it's a successful assassination

[torpid halo]

and complex sentence structure

[manic juniper]

You can look up Buddhist nationalism, it's an ideology that is quite popular in Myanmar

For how crazy and unrealistic it sounds, it still exists and is widespread enough

[thorny steeple]

Yeah then murder that is y'know

[dapper laurel]

Welcome to hell brother

[manic juniper]

It's also the main ideology of the Tatmadaw

[cedar cobalt]

I prefer to use the right words in the right contexts to make my thoughts understood

[restive zodiac]

extremist are everywhere even in atheistic ideology, probably they re the most notable ppl who committed the brutal action in our world , yet not all atheists are the same

[torpid halo]

no you make it even more complicated

[dapper laurel]

Doesn't inflating a text with gibberish make it even more difficult to understand?

[manic juniper]

Yes, so?

[thorny steeple]

Simplicity never killed anyone

[cedar cobalt]

It depends on who you are talking to, it's simple if you understand the words, but if you don't, it becomes more complicated indeed.
This is why it is important to know how to adapt to your interlocutor.

[restive zodiac]

thats not true , take a look to their scripture then decide if their action are valid according to it , in regards of this crime as i see is not a terrorist attack.

[restive zodiac]

stop saying motivated

[thorny steeple]

Hi my name is Cindy I am here to improve my English I want to speak fluent English and make new friends

[restive zodiac]

there nothing is motivated

objectively

[torpid halo]

what the scripture says is irrelevant because the motive is still religious whether or not the scripture opposes or encourages the action

[manic juniper]

Lol objectively he did it for religious causes

But alright I guess

[manic juniper]

Free speech

[torpid halo]

i only talk to women in DMs

[cedar cobalt]

🤡

[torpid halo]

nice selfie

[restive zodiac]

religious motivated means that there is a reason , a text that affirm doing his action , finding the opposite means it not religiously motivated

[torpid halo]

nope, where did you get that definition from

[cedar cobalt]

Thanks, I make a point of being humorous

[restive zodiac]

just point out to ur inconsistency

[restive zodiac]

what are they, enlighten me pls >

[restive zodiac]

u ve no respond?

[torpid halo]

i do

i asked, where did you get that definition from?

[restive zodiac]

what religiously motivated means to u?

[torpid halo]

so you just pulled it up ur ass

it's not in the dictionary or anything

[manic juniper]

That's not what religiously motivated means

[restive zodiac]

no we re discussion definitions?

[torpid halo]

alr you're trolling

[manic juniper]

I guess the Rohyngias aren't persecuted for their religion then since nothing in Buddhism says to kill Muslims

[restive zodiac]

enlighten me

[torpid halo]

im done here gn folk

[cedar cobalt]

You don't seem to be patient, the key to a debate is knowing how not to be Manichean

[restive zodiac]

yes , its not religiously motivated bcz they oppose their religion to begin with

[thorny steeple]

Sources people

[manic juniper]

According to this mentality Nazis weren't nationalistic, since being German doesn't make one inherently genocidal

It's dogshit logic

[torpid halo]

he's trolling hard

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately he isn't

[thorny steeple]

Yeah it's BS logic

[torpid halo]

as far as i know there is a limit for being an idiot

[manic juniper]

I would like to say that he might be trolling, but he isn't

[torpid halo]

i mean he might have brain damage or smth too so i won't bother

[quick quarry]

introducing @thorny steeple , a 17 year old claiming that there is nothing called "English", and there is only "American language", and apparently according to him the brits stole English from the Americans. Hope you guys welcome his argument with open arms

[restive zodiac]

ppl are not necessary reflection to the religion, and for the sake of argument , most muslims of 2b are not terrorist , therefore terrorism is not necessarily religiously motivated ,absolutely ull agree that they re terrorist that has nothing to do with religion.

[thorny steeple]

He's bollocks lmao

[thorny steeple]

Hey, I'm from Arkansas, but I just moved to Alabama about three weeks ago.

[torpid halo]

i thought ppl in general were smarter

[manic juniper]

no one said terrorism is inherently motivated by religion, you're the first to make that claim

[thorny steeple]

Kinda divided because I seen religious terrorism on the news ofc not the general population y'know

[torpid halo]

but the average discordian cant seem to tell when there are trolls

[manic juniper]

Nah they are room temperature IQ, here it's more diverse, from rocks to geniuses

[torpid halo]

LMAO

[quick quarry]

I like dealing with trolls, they are entertaining sometimes

[restive zodiac]

that's different from religion , by nature religion of islam inherently forbid killing innocent people or different ppl .but nationalism can probably lead to a supremacy ideology that can indirectly allow genocide

[thorny steeple]

You should stick to cooking.

[thorny steeple]

Where am i at?

[manic juniper]

Your mum already cooks for me

[restive zodiac]

huh, who said that terrorism is religiously motivated?

[torpid halo]

😭

[thorny steeple]

We're on the same team.

[torpid halo]

what can you cook

[manic juniper]

Nationalism has many different iterations, most of them are inspired by liberation movements, sometimes even anticolonialsm

[manic juniper]

Don't know to be fair

[peak summit]

people

[torpid halo]

remember kids, smart people think they're idiots

[thorny steeple]

noodles

[manic juniper]

Am I smart then

[restive zodiac]

i didnt demand for a class on nationalism

[thorny steeple]

Speak?

[torpid halo]

do you think you're an idiot

[manic juniper]

You can look it up yourself then, alongside the definition of religiously motivated terrorism

[peak summit]

no

[manic juniper]

Yes most of the times

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[torpid halo]

then you're more likely to be smart

[restive zodiac]

i dont need to.

[peak summit]

have great day

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-qwark-ratchet-funny-clank-jak-and-daxter-the-lost-frontier-boogerman-gif-22537566

[thorny steeple]

You too broski

[thorny steeple]

Lmao alright people back on the topic

[restive zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-gif-891552622910302338

take this dont be mad or something

[thorny steeple]

Where are my white brothers and sisters

[torpid halo]

people dont usually get mad when a disabled person disturbs them

[thorny steeple]

Indeed they don't

[stoic whale]

i found the doc on internet, here's some info that you missed : "In Italy, legal immigrants are about 8% of the total population. Foreign detainees are 32% of the total. Legal immigrants, according to random inspections in single penitentiaries, are less than 10% of the total foreign detainees’ population, that is about 3% of the total prisoned population in our Country. This is a lower percentage as compared to that of Italian prisoners.

Foreign detainees imprisoned notwithstanding the absence of a final conviction are 37.9% of the total population. More than a foreign detainee out of 3 (almost 2 out of 5) is imprisoned although is not guilty according to the Italian justice".

[restive zodiac]

intellectually?

[unreal fulcrum]

it's called the arabian gulf

[thorny steeple]

Alright so what's the verdict?

[restive zodiac]

no persian golf

[thorny steeple]

I haven't heard from good old George Floyd in a while.

[unreal fulcrum]

have you even tried to study the topic? or are you just blindly following what others say?

[stoic whale]

he said "In relation to the immigrant population in Italy, these numbers are quite high" however as you can read, it's not true (it was on the same internet page, he just kept the info to himself)

[thorny steeple]

Keep it Persian for you and Arabian Gulf for the other guy

[thorny steeple]

Yeah that happens

[restive zodiac]

i study it very deeply, and i think they re just names .

[manic juniper]

They also deserve to have fun and social interactions

[thorny steeple]

Yeah so no need to get mad over naming of a lake or gulf

[restive zodiac]

even mexico and usa have same problem with american mexican golf

[thorny steeple]

Yeah thanks to trump lmao

[restive zodiac]

i think should be arabia-persian golf

[unreal fulcrum]

they aren't just names

[thorny steeple]

Ding! Problem solved

[cloud moat]

Hi

[stoic whale]

also : "More specifically, among the 4,896 foreign detainees in Switzerland (in part Italians), only 1,330 have a valid residency permit and 716 have the status of asylum seekers. The others are illegal immigrants. Generally, the criminal rate among immigrants in possess of a valid residency permit is low, not only in Switzerland."

[restive spade]

Hey

[cedar cobalt]

What is the debate?

[unreal fulcrum]

Well did you know that the only remaining geographical document from the Sassanian era proves that its name is the Arabian Gulf not the Persian Gulf

[feral river]

what about national supermacism ?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[feral river]

it's not racism, it's like protectionism in politics or demographics rather than trade

[thorny steeple]

National supremacism*

[restive zodiac]

its when action taking place according to it (supremacy)

[unreal fulcrum]

you can see how Iran reacts when international organizations call it the Arabian Gulf instead of the Persian Gulf
they just cry so hard

[thorny steeple]

Yeah Iran ain't Persia no more named

[stoic whale]

it suggests that immigrants with legal status are less involved in crime than those in an illegal situation. it highlights a possible correlation between the absence of legal status and the incarceration rate, which could be due to socio-economic factors or they're probably held in prison because they are illegal immigrants not because they have committed a crime or something.

[thorny steeple]

So it's not universal then

[stoic whale]

of course not ! you seem really young, you shouldn't trust people on the internet. do your own research, read books on your own. it's really important.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah I don't trust people on by specifically on politics or data but thanks mate!

[cedar cobalt]

Critical thinking is the most important

[stoic whale]

couldn't agree more.

[thorny steeple]

In today's society seems to be degradeding everyday

[restive zodiac]

so i became disabled when i don't agree with u, very condescending from u both.

[manic juniper]

I didn't say anything lol

I simply insulted your logic by saying it's dogshit, I tend not to insult people here

[cedar cobalt]

But there are more resources than ever, so it's become easier to learn about the subject and learn about it

[manic juniper]

Since moderation is what it is

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[cedar cobalt]

But without moderation would you do it?

[thorny steeple]

Mate's logic is flawed

[manic juniper]

No idea but I wouldn't dismiss the chance

[cedar cobalt]

Understandable

[manic juniper]

Especially since exchanging insults ends up in cringe 9 times out of 10

[thorny steeple]

Unless you're really good at it yeah don't take a chance

[limber pine]

hey I was playing Far Cry3 and in the game Daisy says that liza is a keeper, what does it mean?

[restive zodiac]

i didnt know calling ppl disabled when they re not is insulting ppls logic.

[manic juniper]

I didn't call you disabled tho, what's your point

[restive zodiac]

and not dealing with the arguments is just what makes ur logic dogshit for me

[restive zodiac]

u did affirm it

[manic juniper]

I didn't

[manic juniper]

I already made enough examples, you can simply look it up but you're confident enough

[thorny steeple]

Indeed she didn't if she did ping the message bro

[thorny steeple]

Like Mexicans bragging about being Aztecs and Mayans despite most of them being descendants of their rival tribes, just because Mexico adopted this agenda in the 19th century

[restive zodiac]

understandable

[thorny steeple]

So when did the Aztecs become extinct?

I don't know bro but Hernan Cortez was le good

[thorny steeple]

True, who would win Alexander the Great or hernan cortez

[dapper laurel]

Alexander

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but doesn't the conquistador have gun power?

[dapper laurel]

We can give both of them the same means and see who wins with equal chances

Alexander had better tactics

[thorny steeple]

True the phalanx formation sure is a distance way y'know

Alright because I don't want to complicate this further Alexander 1. - Conquistadors 0

@dapper laurel did you know

[manic juniper]

Cortez was very lucky plus it seems like he was akin to a walking biological weapon

[thorny steeple]

Yeah also didn't he burn all of his fleet except one ship

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKSS69lxavg

[thorny steeple]

He was greater than Juan Ponce de Leon and Francisco Pizarro

[main bison]

😂 😂

[slender coral]

The religion of peace they say

[thorny steeple]

Dismantling an empire that was much inferior in scientifical development without any handle on gunpowder vs conquering the entire known world after more than thirty years of Peloponese War

I think this one is an easy pick for me

[slender coral]

I don't understand something in the comments though. It's true that Muslim populations tend to be extreme but why would you think this means lgbt people should support the Israeli occupation? One wrong doesn't excuse the other, and two wrongs don't make it right. Add to that how not every Palestinian is a Muslim fundamentalist, and afaik a big proportion of the victims of Israeli attacks are children, if not the majority.

And it's funny because this criticism usually comes from western conservatives who aren't known for supporting the lgbt movement.

[proud wolf]

Peak

[cedar cobalt]

Agreed

[open plover]

There is sth fishy going around

[formal pilot]

Gigantic illegal settlements in Poland would be perfect

[cedar cobalt]

For the next year guys

[urban swift]

The only country MAGA supporters are proud of ?

[urban swift]

Wth! We got a gay imam before GTA VI

Is it the 73rd sect? Lol

[shell cliff]

Hooooi

[waxen shale]

Oh yes everything doesn't mean anything just think about yourself-how you precieve yourself in meaningless reality. The kind act such as giving to the poor, respecting parents, be a wholesale guy to others. That act can be thrown out the window.. everything doesn't have a meaning to it so what most important is to care about yourself only

[slender coral]

Caring about others can be a way of caring about yourself. It's something that in many cases brings happiness to the person.

[dapper laurel]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdry8xd47ylo What a February guys

[mental knoll]

When you help a person and you make him/her smile
Youll feel like the sun has risen in your life again
Youll automatically return that smile
And feel great
Also when you help a person one day someone will help you too( doesn’thave to be the same kind of help)

and when you respect people theyll respect you back

I suggest you try that and you tell me how does that make you feel

[slender coral]

It's religiously motivated?

[slender coral]

I believe he doesn't argue against it, it seems like his point is that without god everything is meaningless.

[mental knoll]

Aaa okey

[stoic whale]

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/02/13/murder-of-french-schoolgirl-indicted-suspect-wanted-to-steal-from-someone-to-calm-down_6738123_7.html

[worn pond]

hey sorry to butt in like this, but i was wondering if i could team with you in cs

[stoic whale]

there are crimes everywhere made by anyone.

may the victims rest in peace.

[dapper laurel]

Maybe

[dapper laurel]

Without a doubt, but immigrants have a greater impact, especially those who aren't well integrated into society

[stoic whale]

what do you mean by greater impact ? are you saying that we can compare crimes ?

[stoic whale]

and once again, give me sources.

[dapper laurel]

I'm saying we can classify crimes

[dapper laurel]

Once again, I gave you the sources, you can find them in the chat itself

[stoic whale]

according to what criteria ? and what are those classification ?

[stoic whale]

yeah, and i proved you wrong

your first "source" is from 2016 and Twitter

your second one, contain much more info than what you showed us

you should read the article in its entirety before spreading misinformation.

[neon topaz]

https://www.instagram.com/stories/vijay_ahirwar73/3570722393737192859?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=dDhhOGFoaW5kcHlr

[dapper laurel]

What about the third one?

[dapper laurel]

For the first one, you can literally see the sources for those statistics. It was published on X, but the sources are different

[dapper laurel]

If you are referring to the UK government website, I don't see what the problem is, you should just read what it contains carefully

That wasn't even the only episode in this month

[thorny steeple]

Here we don't have any problems with mass immigration, some Venezeluans live in the North and Haitians live in the South, but the Haitians are very respectful and educated, more than the natives

Unfortunately, several Veneluans fall for crime and prostitution, but it is not a huge problem since they are few

The natives themselves cause most of the problems and this is terrible, since there's no way we can get rid of ourselves

[stoic whale]

my bad, i forgot about the UK one. the first article is out of date. the second (the one on the UK) makes no sense. it's about blacks and whites, not immigrants (or are you telling me that a black family who has lived in the UK for 5 generations is still an immigrant). and finally, the last article on statistics in Switzerland and Italy, you should read the whole article. i've already explained everything but you seem to avoid the truth.

[stoic whale]

please, do some researches, crimes made by non immigrants people are also pretty commun. you are just showing us what you want us to see. it's not objective at all. i could also just show only crimes made by white people and say "yeah, they are bad people look what they have done". it's too easy. crimes is not linked with immigration.

[dapper laurel]

So what's the truth?

Enlighten me

[dapper laurel]

Is this a joke?

Is this a fucking joke?

[main spoke]

wtf???

[stoic whale]

your cognitive gears seem to turn at a rather leisurely pace. i've already said what i had to say, now you should redo some researches and question yourself.

[main spoke]

is having a figth here?

[stoic whale]

???

[stoic whale]

nobody is having a fight, i'm trying to explain to someone that racism is not good. but he started swearing ig

[dapper laurel]

Leaving aside your ad hominem comments, could you please tell me what the truth is, or are you afraid of my hypothetical response?

You wanted the numbers, I gave you the numbers. If you have drawn any conclusions from this, you can tell me, otherwise it is useless to talk to you and I will always remain of my opinion

[stoic whale]

you seem too lazy to scroll and read what i already sent you so here it is : "In Italy, legal immigrants are about 8% of the total population. Foreign detainees are 32% of the total. Legal immigrants, according to random inspections in single penitentiaries, are less than 10% of the total foreign detainees’ population, that is about 3% of the total prisoned population in our Country. This is a lower percentage as compared to that of Italian prisoners.

Foreign detainees imprisoned notwithstanding the absence of a final conviction are 37.9% of the total population. More than a foreign detainee out of 3 (almost 2 out of 5) is imprisoned although is not guilty according to the Italian justice". "More specifically, among the 4,896 foreign detainees in Switzerland (in part Italians), only 1,330 have a valid residency permit and 716 have the status of asylum seekers. The others are illegal immigrants. Generally, the criminal rate among immigrants in possess of a valid residency permit is low, not only in Switzerland." it suggests that immigrants with legal status are less involved in crime than those in an illegal situation. it highlights a possible correlation between the absence of legal status and the incarceration rate, which could be due to socio-economic factors or they're probably held in prison because they are illegal immigrants not because they have committed a crime or something.

you can't use just numbers, you need to interprete them and to do so, you need to use your brain.

[lethal sparrow]

you're asking for too much from these idiots. just block them and move on. save your energy. they're simply stupid and evil. completely unreachable.

[stoic whale]

"i will always remain of my opinion", see? you're not really open to discussion. i genuinely wanted to understand your perspective and the reasoning behind it, so i could broaden my own understanding and even challenge what I’ve learned because questioning knowledge is important. (i’m not sure if they taught you about propaganda in school.) but here you are, absolutely certain, without even considering the possibility of questioning yourself.

[stoic whale]

you're right !

anyways, i'll leave you with your own thought. hope you'll take what i've said into consideration.

[dapper laurel]

You mentioned legal immigrants, but there is no difference between legal immigrants, illegal immigrants or refugees, they are aliens and are proportionally more in prison than the native population. Italy is just one case among these, you can see Switzerland, Monaco, Germany, Austria, the trend is always the same

[dapper laurel]

I would have also changed my mind if you had presented valid arguments

[lethal sparrow]

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
-- Mark Twain

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-- Albert Einstein

"You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place."
-- Jonathan Swift

[stoic whale]

bye, I'm off to handle my duties as a lawyer and as the daughter of an alien 👽

[shy summit]

Innappropriate

[dapper laurel]

I mean, why?

[shy summit]

I think the reason why you don’t constantly try to hit home the idea that migrants are a problem to another migrant would be obvious. Besides multiple people in here have explained the data behind it, you refused to listen.

Now it’s just coming off as xenophobic

[dapper laurel]

They can also try to explain, but the explanation should make sense. If I talk about migrants in general and say that they commit more crimes on average and that they're a consistent component of the prison population and they respond by saying that legal immigrants commit less crime or that immigrants are arrested because of prejudice or that the statistics "make no sense" - it's just not convincing

For example, I can say that the majority of the immigrant population commits crimes, and that same portion of the population corresponds to illegal immigrants who continue to reside in the country, this doesn't change the statement begins and the problem persists

Some might cite socio-economic conditions, but this shouldn't be used as a mitigating factor to justify criminals

[lethal sparrow]

Now it’s just coming off as xenophobic
It's almost as if.. that was always the point... or something. 🤔

[shy summit]

Your data is missing incredibly important context that mischaracterizes the situation. I advise you to take time to think on this, why it might be harmful to others here and take a break from debating it here.

[dapper laurel]

I can even think about it, but what would be the right data to consider?

[shy summit]

The fact that you constantly ignore issues with immigration systems themselves, and their failure to integrate newcomers into economic and social systems. This leads to an exasperation of things like poverty and fails to help to alleviate issues of desperation.

What’s more is that these systems often coincide with justice and legal proceedings that disproportionately affect migrants. This also leads to exasperation of issues.

Migrants are not the problem, which is how you’ve characterized it for the past day or so I’ve been seeing this conversation.

Crime and poverty are almost always a result of a systemic failure and not intrinsic to the nature of SPECIFIC GROUPS of people.

To claim otherwise hits extremely close to an EXTREMELY racist idea that foreign culture intrinsic to foreigners is inferior to domestic culture. It is a hallmark of the modern racist to blame culture since they can no longer claim the issue of genetics in a modern world.

I advise you to look at critical analyses of these various systems. How they tend to pack impoverished communities of migrants together, and how the people treat these individuals.

I don’t know your story, I don’t know you. But I have no disillusions as to where this narrative comes from.

[dapper laurel]

Well, I said that immigrants are the problem because there are people who say the opposite. I haven't even had the time or the opportunity to say why immigrants are the problem, and that is because our countries fail to integrate them, especially those who have a low degree of education or whatever. For now I will continue to think that immigrants are a problem because Western states give them everything they need to survive like other citizens, but often many choose to make money with crime in most cases (I admit that they are at a disadvantage, but this is not the way to recover the gap).

Since yesterday I have been saying "all this must end" implying that if immigrants are a problem because we aren't able to integrate them or welcome them, it's worth not letting them in at all

To arrive at a solution, it would first be important to understand what the problem is

[burnt crow]

Hello guys

I'm new here

[slender coral]

Hello Mido

[burnt crow]

Hi

Whte's up

[slender coral]

Not much. And you?

[burnt crow]

The same thing

[burnt crow]

can i ask you?

[slender coral]

About what?

[burnt crow]

Can i really improve my English here?

[slender coral]

You can

Practice is important y'know

[burnt crow]

Yea agree

I think you'r arabic

[slender coral]

You are so sharp

[burnt crow]

No

just in your profeil

[thorny steeple]

Hello guys

[burnt crow]

You know

[slender coral]

I guess you are an Arab too. Mido -> Mohamed Ig.

[slender coral]

Hi

[burnt crow]

exact

[slender coral]

I'm smort

[burnt crow]

kind of

So what is your level in english?

[slender coral]

This is a channel for discussing controversial stuff like religion and politics

[thorny steeple]

smart*

[thorny steeple]

Ow..I'm out

[slender coral]

If you wanna chill you should go the channels for that

[slender coral]

No it's smort

[burnt crow]

You mean a government

[slender coral]

Government?

[burnt crow]

As i say am new so how i can know

[slender coral]

I mean, you can guess. #🧊｜chill-chat is certainly for chill convos, and #💭｜general and #🫂｜beginner-chat don't bring up sensitive topics often.

[burnt crow]

I know i was just wanna to joking with you

any where

i hope to accept

and now to chill chat

[urban swift]

Just religion and politics ?

[slender coral]

stuff like religion and politics

[urban swift]

Uh huh

[slender coral]

Anything that people could kill each other over basically

[urban swift]

There been reports people killing each other over 1$

Humans really are dumb sometimes

[slender coral]

Well if humans weren't dumb there would've been peace

[thorny steeple]

Is this racist? Genuine question

[urban swift]

Add evil too

[urban swift]

That place gotta be the least favourite of god 😂

[keen moon]

this channel is for deep and meaningful discussions, yet the most popular topics here is religion

[slender coral]

This is a popular stance in the Muslim world actually.

They hate the non believers for the sake of Allah as they say, many of their shiekhs teach them that.

[urban swift]

Should capital punishment be banned or make it more frequent to set an example ?

[keen moon]

damn, this two topics deserve their own text channel but might turn into a complete mess between the religious folks

[thorny steeple]

Religion of peace 🏳️‍🕊☮️

[slender coral]

The idea that Islam is a religion of peace is something that many Muslims would find laughable.

[keen moon]

whatever you like, people just want a show

[thorny steeple]

Thanks God my ancestors managed to expell them from Portugal and Spain

[thorny steeple]

Why?

[keen moon]

if this offends you, you should never watch family guy then

[urban swift]

https://tenor.com/view/reconquista-reconquest-iberia-war-map-gif-4623334983974041939

[thorny steeple]

It doesn't tbh

[slender coral]

They say you guys massacred them there.

[urban swift]

Loveless people on top of their lungs, ready to take lives of others with vicious intents

[keen moon]

good, because this is just a stupid idiot who thinks this is funny. But as you can see on the pic, they don’t make fun of his mental abilities

[urban swift]

You guys in need of one more conquesta I feel

[thorny steeple]

Don't you know who's this guy?

[dense hollow]

@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

.

[dense hollow]

@thorny steeple @thorny steeple @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Where you from? I'm just larping, I don't know to which extent I'm of Portuguese descent

[dense hollow]

@thorny steeple

[keen moon]

no no no , I know, but everyone else here doesn’t know so please tell them

[dense hollow]

@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Yes sir ?

[dense hollow]

why our ball have a stich mark in the middle?

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-kanye-west-kanye-east-deathstare-stare-gif-6002816845218983434

[dense hollow]

i repeat it's the government

[thorny steeple]

The stitch-like mark in the middle of the scrotum is called the scrotal raphe. It runs from the anus, through the perineum, up the scrotum, and continues along the underside of the penis.

[keen moon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[dense hollow]

😭

[thorny steeple]

He was the most famous footballer worldwide a couple years ago

[thorny steeple]

it is a result of fetal development. Early in pregnancy, all embryos have similar structures. In males, the tissue that would have formed the labia instead fuses in the middle to create the scrotum, leaving behind this seam. It’s simply a developmental remnant and has no functional role after birth.

[urban swift]

You're a good question

[dense hollow]

reminds me of zakir

[keen moon]

ohh new topic

[urban swift]

Zakir who

[dense hollow]

but what is the gov is behind all thi

[thorny steeple]

Gov ??? Are you serious?

[dense hollow]

that guy who got kicked out from india🤡

[dense hollow]

do u have a mole is your forearm?

[urban swift]

Zakir nalayak?

https://tenor.com/view/zakir-naik-muslim-candles-fierce-point-gif-17453203

[dense hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/uncut-vin-diesel-corn-dog-gif-25481860

[slender coral]

Serious chat is so unserious today

[mystic bay]

Alas that these days should be ours

[dense hollow]

do u have any mole on ur forearm?

[urban swift]

Wtf

[keen moon]

someone dared to desecrate it

[dense hollow]

k2w

[thorny steeple]

It oscillates between being non-serious and discussing religion

[thorny steeple]

I haven't noticed yet

[slender coral]

@mystic bay you look so cute btw if that's you in the pfp.

[urban swift]

You know way too much 👀

[mystic bay]

Certainly not

[keen moon]

he glad to see you

[mystic bay]

I am without blemish

[slender coral]

Let's take the chance and chill for now

[dense hollow]

u are not created from the gov u r safe

[dense hollow]

do u have a mole on ur forearm

[slender coral]

Why you keep mentioning gov?

[dense hollow]

cus gov is behind all this, illuminati

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/yeahunter-illuminati-gif-11574697

[urban swift]

I have an iron bracelet on my forearm. Not what you just mentioned sir

[dense hollow]

have u all notice we can only make triangle from our hand ONLY TRIANGLE

[urban swift]

https://tenor.com/view/ureksensen-urek-gif-5241258959731425788

[slender coral]

You can make a rectangular

[urban swift]

More shapes

[dense hollow]

no

[keen moon]

I suppose you also know that vaccines are just a cover to install 5G modems in us, and you one of them right?

[dense hollow]

only love and triangle. triangle-love ? dammnn

[dense hollow]

wait yess u are right

[urban swift]

Love triangle triggers something in me

[keen moon]

wait you forgot your protection

[dense hollow]

no it mean love illuminati😭

[keen moon]

https://tenor.com/view/tin-foil-hat-jabrils-foil-hat-put-on-a-hat-wearing-a-hat-gif-18223681

[urban swift]

Oink ! Whaaaat

[slender coral]

Yes you can. Straighten your first finger and raise your thumb in one hand, do the same with the other, you have two lines in each, and then combine.

[urban swift]

But why does it exist

[dense hollow]

oko

[lethal sparrow]

wow, i'm glad i block whichever weird idiot this person is replying to. holy crap.

[mystic bay]

anatomy is gross

[cloud moat]

Hi

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-jong-un-sunglasses-north-korea-excuse-me-gif-1223080877687524274

[onyx hazel]

People who say Elon did a "Roman Salute" should try doing it on public or in their jobs.

[thorny steeple]

You mean, you only worry about metaphysics, physics doesn't matter

[mystic bay]

That is true, but it's not what I meant

[thorny steeple]

Smiles is the stupidest

Expell him from here

@lethal sparrow can you speak any language besides your native one?

[manic juniper]

Didn't he block half the people on here

I don't think he can see that

[cedar cobalt]

Actually, care about yourself no longer makes sense than care about others, in the perspective of a meaningless world, you have misunderstood the principle

[thorny steeple]

He uses it as his personal note block, just dumps whatever pops up in his mind here and disappears

[quiet oar]

Hi

[runic sparrow]

hello

[thorny steeple]

Hey

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Lusotropicalist huh

[thorny steeple]

what is that mean

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQO-GvqCu1M

[shy summit]

No

Just

No

[shy summit]

Inappropriate. You can disagree on any level but insulting a member of the server for their linguistic capacities is off limits.

[stoic whale]

especially on a server dedicated to language learning.

[thorny steeple]

He says we are dumb all the times, calls people stupid. I don't think anyone is intellectually worse than most of us for being monolingual

But he begs for it when he unequivocally goes around spreading the word stupid

[mystic bay]

[thorny steeple]

I've never degraded anyone for not speaking more than one language in my country, I'm not this kind of guy.

I just want to humble him down, nothing else

[shy summit]

Find another way. Not here, not this place, not how you’re going about it.

[mystic bay]

Not in these shoes

[thorny steeple]

i hate this guy even more now ngl

fucked the whole crypto market with his shit memecoin

[true lark]

They are the only person I will insult based on appearance XD

[sonic lion]

Don’t know if you mind me asking, but what’s your PhD about?

[thorny steeple]

It's in the bio lol

[mystic bay]

It is slightly interdisciplinary, but it is primarily a work of political philosophy. It is a philosophical defence of classical liberalism, and also touches on certain issues in metaphysics and ethics.

[sonic lion]

Not enough to fill my curiosity

[true lark]

Oh fun!

[sonic lion]

Oh, that’s interesting

What authors are you focusing on?

[fading cargo]

Hello,

I am finding someone who based on the Greece.

[faint dagger]

someone called me broke just because a have anime profile! like BRUH!:}

[mystic bay]

Many, but I would say that the main influences are Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, John Locke and Robert Nozick

[fading cargo]

Please ping me if you are from Greece.

BR.

[true lark]

Wait that makes no sense

Are you sure there isn't more context

[sonic lion]

Fascinating!

I wonder if you have to read their works in the original language tho

[mystic bay]

Some but not all

I've read Aristotle's Physics, Metaphysics, Nicomachean Ethics, Eudemian Ethics and Politics in Greek

[sonic lion]

Btw have you guys seen that twitter beef where a woman was hated for posting her PhD certificate

A bunch of men called her degree useless

[mystic bay]

I saw that

I think it was about the theme of smell in certain literature

[sonic lion]

Omg, that’s actually incredible. What a dream

[thorny steeple]

What about Aquinas? Have you read Suma on Gentilis?

[mystic bay]

I've read parts of the Summa Contra Gentiles

I was mostly interested in De Principiis Naturae and some parts of the Summa Theologiae

[sonic lion]

Yes, it was very interesting. People seem to think that humanities is useless nowadays tho, neoliberal discourse in social media is very prevalent

[thorny steeple]

Unless they do it to dimish someone else or to use as a form of authority, I don't see any problem regarding that

There's a guy in Brazil called Leon who did this to come off as authoritative on a subject and had to delete his Twitter after that

[sonic lion]

I’m also brazilian and didn’t know about that lol

I know that he is majored in IR

Idk how they call that major in english

[thorny steeple]

It was a discussion about whether Capitu has cheated on Bentinho

[sonic lion]

LMAO

Not that you need to have an major in literature to discuss that, but he is not even one

I wonder how he posed as an authority

And he also said he likes to read non-fiction

What does he know about literature 🤨

[thorny steeple]

As long as I remember, he said that Capitu certainly cheated on Bentinho, and used a justification that sounded incel-ish. Then they launched some insults at him, he ended up posting his certificate and deleted the account, wasn't able to handle the hate towards him

[sonic lion]

I hope is the Leon that I’m thinking lmao

[thorny steeple]

But it's difficult to find the story because I don't use Twitter anymore

[thorny steeple]

Leon, Nilce's husband

[mystic bay]

the key is not to use twitter in the first place

[sonic lion]

Yup that’s him

Btw I think it’s common sense in academic discussion that she didn’t cheat on him

[sonic lion]

For sure

[thorny steeple]

Is it? I had a literature teacher who discussed this, not too long ago

[thorny steeple]

I've been off Twitter for six months, after years of addiction

I love you

[sonic lion]

It’s a debate, there’s no clear evidence for saying one or another, but specially women seem to agree that she didn’t cheat on him and he was just insanely jealous

[thorny steeple]

Remember Isfrun has a doctor degree and doesn't come here bragging about it. That's something I admire

I love you too

[sonic lion]

Anyway, the authority argument is almost always covering a lack of solid argument

[thorny steeple]

I don't know I've only read short romances from Machado

[sonic lion]

She doesn’t even need too, just talking to her you can see how smart she is

[thorny steeple]

In portuguese we have our own term for it, "carteirada"

[sonic lion]

Yea

Academics here in general are so annoying with titles, goddamn

[true lark]

I think they're one of the few people I managed to have a civil religious discussion with where us both had differing opinions

[thorny steeple]

No one here is unanimously seen as smart as she is that's mad

[thorny steeple]

Trve

[sonic lion]

Yup, and she has so much knowledge in different areas, always fulfilling seeing her points

[sonic lion]

Hahaha yes

[thorny steeple]

She either has the ability the come off as smart or she's really smart, I guess it's both

And many smart people are and have been on here

[mortal depot]

Glazing crazyyy

[sonic lion]

Oh yes. Actually I’m very embarrassed ‘cause I used to be so pretentious in trying to throw opinions about everything

Smart people here have humbled me, thankfully

[mortal depot]

This is some superior glazing

[restive zodiac]

hi

salam alaykom

[true lark]

I dont talk here that often anymore because its usually religion or politics but if its a different topic its usually quite nice to debate here

[sonic lion]

Yes, I kinda got bored of the same discussions

[thorny steeple]

In portuguese we have the adjective "palpiteiro" for it, we all are

That's typical of gen z

The pope in the middle ages didn't have as much information as we do now

[true lark]

I'll discuss religion or politics but only if you're open to the opinions of others, you don't need to be convinced by their arguments but at least don't discount them just because they arent your opinion

[sonic lion]

I agree with you because we have so much access to information.
I truly believe that information (not knowledge) and propaganda are the white noise of the world, just like that Don DeLillo novel

Now I learn to have intelectual honesty and only discuss something I actually have references to lol

[sonic lion]

It would be nice if every discussion was honest as that

So we could actually gain something from the interaction

[true lark]

The rare few times they are is what I do it for

It almost gives an euphoria like feeling when someone is respectful about my opinions atp haha

[sonic lion]

Crazy how we keep looking for something, even if we’re aware of how rare it is and maybe we’ll look for if forever

I think I’ve been looking for true connection in the same way

[true lark]

I've long given that up

I'll settle for something good even if it's just temporary

[sonic lion]

Yes

Maybe we’re the ones to blame when we can’t find a good conversation, since we can create it by just being honest and open minded

[true lark]

Rather a bunch of ups and downs than sailing down life in the calm waiting for a storm to pick us up to either drag us underwater or strand us in a paradise

[sonic lion]

But the culture seems to be so hostile those days idk

[sonic lion]

Yes, for sure

[true lark]

Being honest and open-minded isn't really enough

[sonic lion]

What else then?

[true lark]

Both sides need to be openminded

[sonic lion]

yes

But even if only one is, you can actually learn something from analyzing their discourse

Everything and everyone can be an object of study/analyses

[true lark]

It's no use using a warped mirror to reflect the truth

[true lark]

That's true

[sonic lion]

Damn pretty words

[true lark]

Doesn't make for a nice conversation though

[sonic lion]

Yeah

Why is it so rare to find fulfilling conversations?

Was it always rare?

[true lark]

It is probably because the more average people get access to information the more set in whatever opinions they have they become

Especially with the algorithms affirming what they already thought

[sonic lion]

Age of semi-information

[true lark]

If their mind isn't open to what others say if it disagrees with what they think they only close up more in conversation

They are like the warped mirror, reflecting what you said back to fit the reality they live in

[thorny steeple]

It actually overwhelms us. 30 minuted of tiktok means infinite useless knowledge and loss of fundamental mental abilities to us

[true lark]

The curse of the common man

[sonic lion]

So people are looking for, in interactions, for conformity or belligerence

[thorny steeple]

I don't know about this author to be honest, who's he?

[sonic lion]

Instead of actually a fulfilling exchange of ideas

[true lark]

Yep

[sonic lion]

He’s a post-modern from the 80s, I believe. Very influential and all-in-all very good if you like to analyze literature to talk about entertainment

Personally, the impact of television and entertainment in our culture is one of my favorite topics

[true lark]

Which specific novel are you referencing

[sonic lion]

White noise by Don DeLillo

[true lark]

Ohh that one

[sonic lion]

Do you know it?

It’s very fun and interesting

[thorny steeple]

I would always prefer to read something classical, but this time I will give him a chance

[true lark]

I think I have it in my collection yeah

[thorny steeple]

I like to search about generational gaps and shifts in morals

[sonic lion]

What do you mean by classical? If you only read old books, you become alienated from your time

[thorny steeple]

Anything that was written before the 19th century

I'm reading Goethe

Kafka isn't classical yet he's one of my favorite

[sonic lion]

He’s like 70% of the reason I’m learning german

[true lark]

Ahh how's the learning going?

[sonic lion]

I think I never encounter someone who don’t like his books. Even Nabokov who hated everyone liked him

[sonic lion]

It’s hard to immerse myself in the language because all I consume is english. Very hard to find a new “nest”. Plus, it’s harder, but beautiful

Trying to know some good german filmmakers and youtubers

Always helps

[peak summit]

[true lark]

Ah yeah, things like that help a lot

[sonic lion]

Are you learning it too?

[true lark]

Not anymore, I'm Dutch so we learn it in high-school

[sonic lion]

Dutch is sounds soo beautiful

They’re both germanic languages but very different tho

[true lark]

Not really that different

[thorny steeple]

The most appealing thing about his books are the jokes he makes using the German language, we lose too much by not being able to speak it

Have you read in Portuguese or english?

[true lark]

Pronunciation is different but the words are quite similar

I'm Dutch but I speak better English than Dutch

[thorny steeple]

Nabokov managed to write very good in English and French despite being Russian, he's built different

[sonic lion]

So much is lost in translation, but I think poetry is entirely lost. When it comes to Faust, I need to read it in german otherwise I feel like I’m reading an entirely different text

[sonic lion]

He was very talented indeed but a pain in the ass. Literally talked shit about every author

[true lark]

Not all poetry, Chinese does pretty well in English

[sonic lion]

Yeah but reading translated poetry is like taking a bath with a raincoat on

It’s always better in the original language

[true lark]

I dont feel it as much but then again I think in a very unique way that helps me realise the original meaning even if it can't really be represented using language

[lean parrot]

Please can someone help me I just turned muted from nowhere pls?

[true lark]

Still better in the original but not as bad

[true lark]

Press the unmute button, you probably accidentally used the shortcut to mute yourself

[lean parrot]

It doesn't work for me, someone in the server muted me

Thank's

[thorny steeple]

Are you already able to read in German?

[lean parrot]

Sorry to bother u, which channel do I ask for help ?

[true lark]

If you have been suppressed (force muted) you should ask a moderator in #💭｜general for help

It's probably best to ping nabi for now

If there is nobody to help you can create a ticket in #🛂｜report-help

[lean parrot]

Okey thank u so much

[peak shale]

💀

[manic juniper]

Zelenskyy would even be open to that deal had Trump made any kind of serious proposal

[thorny steeple]

be the comedian Zelensky
Believe in the empty promises of USA and EU
Turn Ukraine into a tool to target Russia
send millions of youngsters, women and children to die in the war
lose 20% of your territory
watch Trump and Putin decide the future of your country

[formal pilot]

Zelensky should join Russia and attack Europe

[urban swift]

let bro cook

[slender coral]

How is he precieved in Ukraine tho?

[feral river]

Ukraine can be part of Russia

and it used to, according to the history

[upper peak]

Are you bored ? 🥱

Or are you desperate to see clans between two countries...😛🤣😂

[halcyon viper]

hi

[slender coral]

Ukrainians don't seem to be convinced with this.

[urban swift]

Ukrainians want individual identity apart from russian one.

[manic sluice]

Heyy... guy's
Can to help me in join english improve channel for .
I can't able to know how to use this app ..for improving my English..
Is any link 🖇️

[urban swift]

Go to home page of this server, scroll down and you'll see people in voice room 🔊
Click on one of the rooms and tap join
T

There are beginner, shy voice, and 2 people rooms as well. They'll help in beginning

[manic sluice]

Oky..thank

[formal pilot]

I'm not bored, it'll look good in history books

[slender coral]

I believe every people have the right to determine their identity.

[urban swift]

Hmm sounds good. If only it was that easy. Humans are social animals after all, won't survive long enough with 8 billion individualities

[slender coral]

Should've Ukraine compromised a bit for peace?

[feral river]

they are not required to be convinced to achieve that

everything can be enforced by force

[slender coral]

Would you accept being forced to adhere to an identity you don't see yourself a part of?

[mystic bay]

Brute force is actually not a very effective way of getting things done in the long term

In the short term, maybe, but it is not sustainable

[manic juniper]

I don't think he believed in any empty promises, he got assistance for his country

[slender coral]

What's his plan though? Russia can continue fighting for a long time, on the other hand Ukraine is struggling.

[manic juniper]

Russia is struggling as well, otherwise they wouldn't recruit convicts and North Koreans. His plan is to join NATO even if it means sacrificing some areas of Ukraine

It's the most pragmatic choice, even if painful since it would leave many Ukrainians living in annexed regions

"It has taken a year for Russia's troops to advance about 40km (25 miles) west - Ukraine was forced to withdraw from Avdiivka, just north of Donetsk, in February 2024 after months of fighting."

Doesn't sound very successful

[prisma cipher]

Zeleensky just doing all job for buried himself

[slender coral]

Mhm. I really wish the war ends with the least possible number of casualties and in favor of Ukraine.

[prisma cipher]

Yes, it is success. We fight in wast territory at the same time we take 3000 km in last year. You take on piece of war battle and discuss it, but you don't see big scale.

Also numbers are just mathematics and this does not always work in real life. today Ukraine has weapons and resources and tomorrow they are gone, and at one moment the speed of advancement can increase many times.

[prisma cipher]

if you look at our war with Germany, in some areas we were moving slowly, but you have to see the full scale, and the full picture says that it doesn't matter how big war support for Ukraine it can't stop Russia, it can slow down our advance.

We also compare everything, and I do too, with the Second World War, but it is more like the trench warfare of the First World War.

Modern technology, satellites, and drones don't allow us to concentrate large forces and attack, so it's more like a slow advance in small groups.

[manic juniper]

Joining NATO or the EU will stop Russia

[prisma cipher]

No

[keen moon]

Isfrun meant both sides are in a tough time, no one has the advantage, and it almost stuck for the last months. And they depend on others no one is as self-sustainable as you may think

[prisma cipher]

Joining nato was one of reason.

[prisma cipher]

Yea it might going like that for years

[austere badger]

Meanwhile. ukrainian and russian people in bali now

[manic juniper]

I don't think Russia has the balls to fight a bigger military force

[keen moon]

yeap, now it's a game on time and for both sides, the price of it will be different

[manic juniper]

It's why they didn't target Finland or the Baltics

[prisma cipher]

I don't think EU have the balls.

[manic juniper]

Yes, it doesn't have the balls to fight boots on the ground for Ukraine

[keen moon]

all the armies currently in Ukraine and Syria

[manic juniper]

It can easily defend itself though, most eastern countries would be on board with fighting Russia together

[prisma cipher]

Also I think, if we attack nato member nothing happens

[manic juniper]

They had 3 decades to do this, they never did

[prisma cipher]

I mean if we said we won't attack other members nothing happens

[manic juniper]

Why didn't they then

Russians are not treated well in Estonia yet Russia attacks Ukraine for no reason at all

[prisma cipher]

Like have you notice Poland they were soo angry so aggressive to us, but when it about even talking to send troops they are off

[manic juniper]

They cannot send troops, that's direct involvement and it cannot be done

[keen moon]

I might be wrong but EU also don't have a ball to protect itself immediately

[manic juniper]

There are Polish volunteers

There are volunteers from pretty much any country on both sides

[manic juniper]

Do you have any examples?

[prisma cipher]

It will be like that we attack Finland, Poland are no no we are off, and the same with other they like it when it about their defense

[feral river]

They didn’t exist a century ago

[prisma cipher]

Who

[feral river]

Poland

[manic juniper]

They did lol if anything Russia didn't exist, that's when it collapsed

[keen moon]

not for the first time missiles and similar trash were on the eu territory and explode there, but they can't even confirm that was a russian even it's obvious and no one even judge them

[prisma cipher]

Poland is a very old state, it used to have a different name when it was an empire. with that logic, Russia is only 35 years old.

[manic juniper]

Because it wasn't directly targeting the EU, and even Ukraine mistakenly sent a rocket in Poland

[prisma cipher]

Poland is ancient Russian haters

[manic juniper]

They used to hate Russia and Sweden, Russia used to hate Poland and Sweden

All three countries were open to alliances with one of the other to target a third one

[keen moon]

fair enough, but I meant they are not even trying to protect themself, just watching how it flies and hoping it'll turn back to Ukraine, see this new in Poland and a lot in Moldova

[manic juniper]

Moldova isn't part of the EU, maybe you meant Romania? They don't like using brute force with criminals, I would since that's the only language Russia understands

[thorny steeple]

Collapsed when?

[keen moon]

sounds like a love triangle, but in a hate way

[manic juniper]

It's why Turkey shot down a Russian jet and no airspace violations happened ever since

[manic juniper]

The Russian civil war and the Soviet Union

Wasn't it roughly 100 years ago

[keen moon]

Romania as well, just because Moldova is first on the way to reach some western part of Ukraine

[prisma cipher]

We have a big economic interest in Turkey. We don't have allies, a big oil pipeline project and a nuclear power station. This definitely didn't happen because Türkiye is a NATO member. I'm 100 percent sure of that.

[manic juniper]

It happened because it was an airspace violation, it has nothing to do with NATO

Russia violates airspaces all the times

Turkey is the only one that reacted with force so far

[prisma cipher]

Also yesterday I watch video on YouTube where Zeleensky say we are the same people with Russian, it was back in 2014 like one country

[thorny steeple]

Kind of, I just find it too extreme to say it didn't exist

[manic juniper]

It's true, it was broken in many pieces

There was something resembling Russia but not quite the same for some time

[prisma cipher]

No many people know but he was pretty much pro Russian before getting president

He got president and like in one mount he switched his rhetoric

To Russian hater

[keen moon]

don't trust what politicians say they are playing in their interest to meet that rating and gain more power

[odd gulch]

That's true bro

[prisma cipher]

Yea I watching his debate at the stadium with poroshenko, think he change attitude to Russia.

[odd gulch]

All they do is about the game

[keen moon]

there’s some irony in the fact that politicians are in charge of the country and make decisions instead of the citizens, while those same people believe that new political power will dramatically change their lives and fix all the problems in the country - only for things to stay pretty much the same

[prisma cipher]

https://youtu.be/MgGxfZC69lw?si=pVJBdCuFSrZEDmyg it was when we try last time try to agree. Russia send all sign for them we abrupt any dialogue with old president, and wait for new one, Zeleensky get president, and when he comes to agreement he behave like that.

the former Ukrainian presidential adviser later said in an interview that they promised Russia a lot, but they did nothing, simply because why not I guess, what Russia do if Ukraine trick us right. He do a lot for what happened in his country.

[verbal torrent]

Frrrrrrrrrr before and after they became president are unbelievable they never fit together they change their characters like chameleons

Anywayss

[mighty cedar]

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[tight carbon]

Hello again,community help, does anyone use paid live American TV to recommend a platform to buy so that movie channels, sports channels, etc. are available: but apart from the services Pluto, Hulu, Crackle, Tubi, I know the well-known ones and to buy it at a much cheaper cost on the official website, I am looking for legal streaming services + to have a trial period available to test a given service. Does anyone here have such a TV and would suggest something to me?

[dusty orbit]

Has anyone watch "Three-body Problem" Netflix adaptation?

[prisma cipher]

Эрдоган

[dense agate]

Now every pic shall be inflated too, Erdogan's own blessing

[crude widget]

yes, it's great

[dusty orbit]

Indeed. Did you read the book though? I was curious if the Netflix adaptation is the same as the book

[prisma cipher]

Why you watch stupid Netflix when it have China version, and books, I don't read any of those

[crude widget]

yes i've read the book, as well as watched the english sub of the chinese series

[dusty orbit]

Where did you watch the Chinese version?

[dusty orbit]

Netflix is what accessible for me at the moment. Also, watching the English version is already difficult for me considering English is not my native language and there are lots of scientific terms.

plus, I didn't study physics since I'm studying economy

[prisma cipher]

Watch with your native dub than, or sub

[dusty orbit]

Yes, if it's accessible, I'll definitely do.

[prisma cipher]

I watch a astrophysicist lection about books and that what write there couldn't really happens. And author of the lection not hate books, he thinks they are good just science fiction

[crude widget]

youtube

[verbal torrent]

Watch in illegal websites 💅

[crude widget]

the chinese series is more faithful to the books, but Netflix really took a lot of creative liberties in their approach

it's quite different

[thorny steeple]

which websites do you watch

[crude widget]

but still many similarities

[verbal torrent]

Sflix or braflix

[dusty orbit]

wait really? would you mind sending me the link

[dusty orbit]

I see

[dusty orbit]

LMAO

[crude widget]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzHJK4Qsrow&list=PLDWJ213d2Ucr-3q9LDF9P1_j3Rr3GMJeS

[dusty orbit]

LOL THANKS

I hope all of your clothes are dried easily and both of your pillow is cold

[urban swift]

People in this chat either are skeptical or cult believer mentality. I don't think neither will help you.

[tight carbon]

and you can't find something in google or you use such American live internet TV that there are all channels including legal movies where to look for special stores on the net that offer such things

[manic juniper]

Sflix is slow AF nowadays 😔

[thorny steeple]

Stremio

[waxen turtle]

Domain expansion

[verbal torrent]

Aa I didn’t know that

[thorny steeple]

amaon prime is good too

[verbal torrent]

Ye but not free

[slender coral]

Whoever wrote the Islamic texts of Quran and Hadiths were mostly oblivious about biblical stories. I think one of the examples of this is the name "Israel". The name means "the one who struggles with God" in Hebrew and it can be translated to "the one who overcame God". The explanation for the latter is interpretation for Genesis 32:24 where Jacob wrestles a mysterious figure, some say it's God himself. This violates the Islamic concept of oneness of God since it assumes that God cannot be defeated, this interpretation is used as criticism to Jewish beliefs and Muslims use it to argue that Judaism isn't truly monotheistic. So, you would expect Islamic texts to clarify the meaning the name Israel which they use to refer to Jacob as well, but no that doesn't happen. The name Israel is just thrown in the Quran with no context. It's strange as the Islamic texts did address many less significant stuff from the bible like the Exodus pharaoh's body fate, who created the golden calf that the Israelites worshiped when Moses was away, and other stuff like that, so you would really expect to see Quran or Hadiths talking about the meaning of the name Israel.

[neat ermine]

Bro ist

[feral river]

Idk why you think they are a country

Sounds like you are a traitor of the Russian Federation

[peak summit]

[thorny steeple]

wrong

[slender coral]

Why?

[thorny steeple]

logically it cannot be possible that Quran and Hadith are coming by biblical scriptures

[slender coral]

Wdym coming by biblical scriptures?

Is this the "Mohamed can't read and write" argument?

[thorny steeple]

there were less christian in the Mecca

There was no bible and torah there too

[slender coral]

Well Mohamed certainly didn't read and write, and it shows with the example I gave and how the Quran misses most details in biblical stories. He didn't read and write, but he certainly wasn't deaf, he could've simply heard someone telling these stories.

"there were less christian in the Mecca"
This doesn't mean he could've not met a Christian or someone who talked to Christians, Idk how you think this argument make any sense.

[blazing kernel]

Wow

[slender coral]

Logic is amazing right?

[blazing kernel]

Idk

I have to go, I hate debates

[elder seal]

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2023/04/insecure-attachment-style-intimacy-decline-isolation/673867/

[slender coral]

Is it that a society with much freedom is harder to manage, or are societies with less freedom good with hiding their problems?

[prisma cipher]

Like I said we don't need to do anything Zeleensky do all work.

He is pro for getting in trouble sad thing that behind him stayed all county.

[elder seal]

Probably neither

[slender coral]

What is it then? I read and hear this kind of shit all the time about how the US is collapsing and how countries with less freedom have stable societies but the US doesn't collapse and we see countries where people claim that their societies are doing well by adhering to traditional family values struggling more with stuff like drugs, sexual abuse, child abuse, bad economy, etc..

It feels like in a country like the US, media and academic institutions shed light on social issues more often than in other countries.

[elder seal]

This wouldn't be an US isolated issue - It's generally predicated across the globe, the study in question just focuses on the U.S. And, I'd recommend you actually read the article instead of asking "what is it then?" when the Article posits about 3 theoretical currents, but no consensus on the course - Explicitly written, by the way, in the title-card

[slender coral]

Ik, I did read the article

[elder seal]

Then why the question "what is it?"

Thought the "we've got no clue" was loud and clear

[slender coral]

It is 🙂

[elder seal]

Good - Though, if you meant to ask, "what do you think is the cause," I've got a preference for the tertiary option:

Researchers have plenty of other theories: More people than ever are living alone. Fewer people are aspiring to marry or have children. American culture is placing more importance on “boundaries,” assuming we need to protect ourselves from others’ bad intentions in relationships. Dating apps allow users to virtually swipe through potential partners so efficiently that they feel disconnected from real people. It could be all of these things, some combination of them, or something else entirely. We can’t determine why people are putting up walls, growing further and further away from one another. We just know it’s happening.

[main bison]

Is it scary to die alone?

[unreal jetty]

Hey. Has anyone here ever participated in a MUN before? I'm going to my first one soon, and I really need some advice

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCJIaxY46zo

[violet narwhal]

Yo how do I post in the off topic channel

[prisma cipher]

No, it scary to live alone, and by statistics your live is shorter if you live alone

[main bison]

No they're not

I'm enjoying his actions a lot

[prisma cipher]

on the other hand, how do I know if it's scary or not, it's probably scary too to die alone

[main bison]

Fr
One of the reason I'm trump fan is see something very fun on news everyday thanks to uncle Trump

If Harris won next 4 years would be boring asf

[prisma cipher]

Yes it will be the same like Biden but Biden do funny stuff

[shy summit]

Bro is about to get slapped SO FUCKING HARD by the courts. Cause EVERY constitutional scholar and Political Scientist knows that is absolutely not how the law works.

[main bison]

Yeah Biden was funny himself

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-smile-gif-9761218772211147420

When he eat kid make me laugh

[shy summit]

https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/02/trump-signs-order-declaring-only-president-and-ag-can-interpret-us-law-for-executive-branch/

Yeaaaaah… that isn’t how this shit works buddy….

[verbal torrent]

I would rather live alone and die early than live w someone and live a long life

[prisma cipher]

Why, if it someone funny and make you laugh everyday why not

Why not live long and happy live, why you so sure it will be bad and long

[verbal torrent]

If I smile every day my smile lines become more obvious and make me look older
I don't want thiz

[verbal torrent]

Bcz I can't stand live with someone for years
Borinkkk

[prisma cipher]

You can change partners every 10 years

[verbal torrent]

Hmm

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Then Ye I will think about it

[prisma cipher]

See

[ashen mortar]

[ashen mortar]

kids not allowed here

[verbal torrent]

Me is not kid

[urban swift]

Your pfp, is unique among all

[verbal torrent]

As always

[urban swift]

Not always, it caught my attention for first time

An old TV show?

[verbal torrent]

Uhmmm TV show yeah but it's a little weird
the woman in that pfp has a religious book in her hand which is Quran and that's the theme of the program and more than one beautiful woman is standing in front of a man (this man has declared himself the messiah, something like a prophet) and they have to shower him with compliments and ask him questions about religion and then they have to put on music and play with the man
But this is a very old program in Turkey and that man is currently in prison for 8,345 days for gambling, prostitution, drug trafficking etc and all the women in that program were abducted forced to undergo plastic surgery and forced into a uniform woman model
Soo it is verrrrry complicated pfp
Idk if u were expecting thiz

Look they all look alike and in that video they are complimenting him because if they don't do it after the program they will be punished badly

[spiral vine]

Dude is explaining Turkish inside drama oh poor guy 😄 May the god help you

[urban swift]

So a controversial theme pfp,

Yeah don't worry, I'm always ready for controversial/dark topics.
Although it doesn't say your motive of putting up that pfp.

[verbal torrent]

Idk why but im so willing to do this

[verbal torrent]

Lmao

I just saw in pinterest

[urban swift]

Are you Russian + Turkish?

[verbal torrent]

Nope

I am infp too

[urban swift]

What's the connection with Russian language?

[verbal torrent]

Im learning it

[urban swift]

You're pleasant to talk to, infp confirmed haha

[verbal torrent]

[urban swift]

Since you're Turkish and we're in serious chat.
Do you know about alevis ?
Any opinions ?

[verbal torrent]

Ye i only know they believe in prophet ali but muslim and they have smth like mosque
We call cemevi here
Andd i have alevi friends they are chill

[static pivot]

@verbal torrent

[verbal torrent]

At least she chose a rational relationship at the end

Doctors dm me

[static pivot]

u a cheater too

[verbal torrent]

Uhm

[static pivot]

[urban swift]

And your opinions over sufi saints/ sufism ? (If you're comfortable talking about it)

[verbal torrent]

I have no idea about it

[thorny steeple]

The doctor pill 💊

[feral river]

Dictatorship

If he’s the ultimate interpreter of the law, there’s no use for a court

But I like his way to challenge but sorry trumpie if you want ultimate power you need a revolution not presidency

[shy summit]

His admin just posted this… yeah…. We’re in for a rocky four fucking years

[waxen turtle]

Hi

[feral river]

Are u using 16 ?

https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1892242622623699357?s=46

He’s using twitter to rule the country lmao

I mean x lmao

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mindebyte.com.carthagebellumpunicumlite

[feral river]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFv7HT1s9CV/?igsh=eGZocTA0d2p4NDV4

It’s quite enjoyable to see and laugh to what pure funny texts he’s posting

It’s part of my daily life 💀

[shy summit]

Not from my phone

[thorny steeple]

Internet addiction?

[feral river]

He’s literally posting it every week I’m already double checking if he do post that today or not

And the texts make me laugh every time I see

It’s just funny tbh

[feral river]

And think how some americans are suffering from that

It’s like oh shit but funny

[thorny steeple]

We live in a society Rahh 🦅

[feral river]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFvZeOqx3_3/?igsh=MW5jZXBlZjZ6NDFsOA==

Oh god I got trump text addiction

It’s just too funny I can’t stop laugh about it

🤣

[thorny steeple]

Seems like it

[feral river]

He’s like a super youtuber or influencer or something always having much exposes and offer a lot of laugh points to viewers

A real comedian

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[feral river]

But he also want to be a great leader I can see

Not yet

He can’t be great by tariffs

[thorny steeple]

Make China great again

[feral river]

Everyone can impose that

If he can annex Canada he would be the most successful and great president throughout the history of the United States

[thorny steeple]

Then imagine China as U.S State

[feral river]

Lmao then we will annex the US if that’s the case

[thorny steeple]

How do they called a Province in China?

[feral river]

A province

[thorny steeple]

No (redacted)

But don't they have something? Like in America we have States

[feral river]

It’s just municipalities, provinces, SARs, autonomous regions

Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin those are municipalities

[thorny steeple]

SARs?

[feral river]

Provinces like Shandong, Shanxi, like I live in the capital of the Shandong province

SAR is special administrative regions, Hong Kong and Macau

[thorny steeple]

Mongolian autonomous region or tibet

[feral river]

Autonomous region was like Xinjiang, Tibet, Guangxi etc.

And inner mongolia too

[thorny steeple]

Cool

[urban swift]

More crazier stuff to unpack soon

[shy summit]

I fucking hope not