🧠｜serious-chat

[formal pilot]

Someone told me you'll find plenty of young Taliban members doing sus things

[dapper laurel]

What's that?

[manic juniper]

🐈

[dapper laurel]

Tf is poosay

Like

[formal pilot]

Chinese restaurant

[dapper laurel]

Wait

Is it something lustful that Allah forbids?

I'll google it, I hope nothing bad happens

Poosay

?

Bag?

[formal pilot]

Y'all movin wild

[dapper laurel]

Veggie burger?

[mortal depot]

Nah not really but bye I gtg

[formal pilot]

It's just Simon says chinese version, because Xi looks like winny the pooh

[dapper laurel]

So poosay= veggie burger?

[urban swift]

And juicy

[dapper laurel]

Thank you, I was trolling too

You never know, I just wanted it to end

[formal pilot]

Wild shi

They're talking about USA

[manic juniper]

Isn't all land stolen

[dapper laurel]

Immigrants vs trump 😭

[manic juniper]

No one is illegal anywhere, time to claim the Forbidden City as my home

[formal pilot]

Host is vivi, she's indian

[formal pilot]

I'd love to claim pyramids

[manic juniper]

Claim them after they carry out the restoration projects

[formal pilot]

It's like finders are keepers

[manic juniper]

It's crazy how many megaprojects are going on in Egypt yet their country is indebted to the core

[urban swift]

Or like who has better weapons

[formal pilot]

It's hard in today's world

[dapper laurel]

The Ethiopians are about to drown them with shit with that damn dam

They are literally fucked

[manic juniper]

Swedes stole land from us and the Sámi, Russia stole it, we stole from Russia

Moral of the story: Sámi don't have land

[urban swift]

Recently heard of them thinking about creating an ocean within egypt

[manic juniper]

Yeah... There is that too

[formal pilot]

"if you can build a pyramid, you can do anything" average tour guide

[urban swift]

It has always been like this. Survival of the fittest, no?

[dapper laurel]

My country is so fucked that the only feasible megaproject is the bridge over the Strait of Messina

And they won't even realize it in the end

[manic juniper]

It'll never be done

Finland is part of Rail Baltica I think

[dapper laurel]

I think South Tyrol should return to Austria, I am out of all this shit

[formal pilot]

It used to be like that way, things are different now, look at russia Ukraine

[dapper laurel]

I officially let go of my Romanness, I'm a barbarian now

[manic juniper]

The age of European imperialism is sadly over, only shitholes are trying to claim other countries' lands

[dapper laurel]

Wait wait wait

[urban swift]

I doubt that, kinda.
I mean if a civilisation built something their successors should know some of its origin/purpose/building techniques, how they built it.

Could it be possible some other civilization built it and rehabilitated by current Egyptians or pharoah's people

[dapper laurel]

Italy is not such a shithole at all

[manic juniper]

It's at least two tiers above Serbia

Even one tier above isn't enough... You must be at least on the same tier to claim land

[urban swift]

Life is a full circle

[manic juniper]

Austria is three tiers above. It's over.

Billions will reside in Italy

[dapper laurel]

Trillions ever

I also created a student movement

[urban swift]

Looking at it. Trump said joe biden made mistake offering Ukraine to join nato. Trump is taking Russia's side

[dapper laurel]

We will rebel against the state

[manic juniper]

He also said that the war wouldn't have started while he was president, but the war didn't start under Biden either

It began under Obama

[urban swift]

I heard it too that it's since 2014 idk?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[urban swift]

What happened in 2014? Land invasion?

[manic juniper]

Trump is either bullshitting or doesn't know what he's talking about

[manic juniper]

There were mass protests throughout Ukraine, Russia invaded without notice or apparent reason

[urban swift]

Well he's a politician

[main bison]

Yea I also saw a lot of Iranians who studies in Italy complain a lot

[manic juniper]

Yes but he's especially hysterical

He legit thought Spain was part of BRICS

[urban swift]

So the nato deal been on the table for Ukraine since 2014 ?

[main bison]

I heard Milan is gayest city in italy

[dapper laurel]

Never complain about the country that hosts you

They could return to Iran otherwise

[urban swift]

I don't know why but whenever I hear spain one word comes to mind, reconquista! Lol

[dapper laurel]

It's the greatest thing they did

[manic juniper]

There were many polls to join NATO, there never was a majority in favour in Ukraine until 2014 🤔 curious

[urban swift]

Mentioning BRICS, trump considering adding Russia back in G7 right?
I think USA doesn't like any other cool guys group

[urban swift]

Yeah, do they need it again ?

[manic juniper]

The talks to join NATO were on the table since the early 90s, the various Ukrainian governments were open to it but Ukrainians never were, especially eastern Ukrainians

[dapper laurel]

Maybe

[manic juniper]

He says many things

[urban swift]

Are you spanish ethnically ?

[dapper laurel]

Allah made it so that I was not

[urban swift]

Yeah. Sweden is in nato now as well. Is finland too?

[feral river]

It’s WW3 if they even try

[dapper laurel]

Yes

[feral river]

there’s no Russia, there’s no world - Putin

[urban swift]

Some are hilarious some are disturbing

[urban swift]

you got a call from russian number

[feral river]

Ahhh steam acc scammer ?

Lmao

[steel sail]

What does that mean?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[manic juniper]

They already tried

[tardy heath]

Hey

[urban swift]

What changed?

[manic juniper]

They were invaded

[feral river]

I only need one day to end the Ukraine war after my inauguration - Trump

Lol

[urban swift]

Oh, the aftermath. Yeah understandable

[manic juniper]

It's the thought that matters

Trump already ended the war, we just don't know it

[urban swift]

Do you live in China? Aren't china and Russia on good terms?

[thorny steeple]

Islamophobic people ic

delete that or iam gonna report it

[thorny steeple]

rules are the rules

[thorny steeple]

U back

We will cook these kids tommorrow

[thorny steeple]

no no, i learned the rules today

[thorny steeple]

What are they ?

rules are the rules
reports are the reports
they are not nothing

[thorny steeple]

Oki goodnight james

[thorny steeple]

good night sarah

[whole beacon]

Wat do u meam by this?

Elaborate more

[umbral hawk]

I want someone to practice English with me and who is close to my age. I am 17.

[strange iris]

Sure, how would you like to practice?

[night tulip]

i am perfectly fine whenever i am writing and reading in english
but when it comes down to speaking, my brain just couldn't keep up and i start to fumble

[daring jasper]

they are but some people talk abt china being a friend only until it's profitable for them

and that when the time comes they'll invade syberia

[daring jasper]

i think he meant there would be no world for russian peple

i hope so at least

[ashen mortar]

[slender coral]

You know, blasphemy laws, the death penalty against apostasy, and mob violence and terrorism. These are very common in Muslim countries.

Of course not every single Muslim is like this but as I said earlier, fundamentalism and fanaticism are huge issues in their societies.

[thorny steeple]

where is my korean shawty

[slender coral]

The drama that happened in the Arabic forum was absolutely ridiculous. They were mad at me for saying that Islam is a religion of terrorism, so in response they kept saying that I should say that in a public and see what the people would do. The lack of self-awareness is crazy.

@whole beacon is it against the rules to talk like this? As you can see I've a very negative outlook on the religion and its communities.

[restive zodiac]

bro u are concerned about Muslims more than muslims do.

[slender coral]

Because I live among them, unfortunately.

[restive zodiac]

but u r not muslim

[slender coral]

[restive zodiac]

get a job

[slender coral]

I'm a student lol

[whole beacon]

Well u seem to be focused on anti islam and implying the fact that extremism and fundamentalism is only exclusive to Muslims. I won't blame you if ur washed by western ideas. But if u look back into history 200 years from now u will see that the nations who committed mayhem and destruction are the white imperialist Christians.

In every religion , fanaticism find its path, just like Kkk and many others

Quit the double standards

[slender coral]

It's not that I'm washed with western ideas, it's that I get Islam specifically pushed down my throat 24/7 and I can't even object to it irl. The west aside, Muslim countries truly lack freedom of expression and heavily suppress non mainstream views.

[manic juniper]

Isn't that whataboutism

[slender coral]

Yup it is

[restive zodiac]

do u believe in a creator?

[thorny steeple]

You cant just insult Islam or any other religion and expect people to react normally or accept your pov I dont think anyone regardless of their belief would accept their religion being insulted

[whole beacon]

Ur mixing politics with religion
Thats ur prblm
Don't project ur issues and ur experience on the wider nation

[manic juniper]

If he lived his whole life there he has the right to complain

[slender coral]

How am I projecting my experience? It's not projecting, it's that my experience limits me to talk about Islam when I talk about religion since Idk much about the social and theological issues of other religions.
And what I'm saying is right. The only countries in the world that punish apostasy with death are Muslim ones, and a lot of countries that have blasphemy laws are Muslim if not most of them. Terrorism is also something that many Muslim societies are suffering from today.

[whole beacon]

They don't punish personal apostasy
If u stand against the regime, and broadcast troubling info
Be ready for the backlash
The worst thing that can happen to an apostate is being shunned from society
No death sentences wat so ever

The Terrorism part is just nonsense

[restive zodiac]

The thing is those so called ex-Muslim.. they have to spend a lot of time convincing themselves and spreading misinformation and hate .as they are an experts in the religion of islam and they ve beaten the boss level .

[whole beacon]

Gd point

Lol

[manic juniper]

They are ex Muslims, there is no convincing themselves. Otherwise they'd be moderate Muslims or something else

[restive zodiac]

everyone has a choice, but surprisingly those ppl's choice make them struggle sleeping well at night, so we have to stand their rhetoric empty claims .

[true lark]

Soo what is the current topic

[manic juniper]

Yeah I wonder why, perhaps because many risk fierce backlash from their community

[restive zodiac]

no at all ,nobody notice them.. they are usually busy on discord under fake names.

[slender coral]

Idk how you define business really

[manic juniper]

Who tf uses their real name on Discord

[slender coral]

You guys love to throw this accusation around a lot

[manic juniper]

Besides that you would just prove his point if you really think that

If he's an outcast those would be the consequences of what he described

[slender coral]

It's your way to cope with the fact that you can't imprison those who criticze you online, you accuse them of being lifeless or being a part of a conspiracy 😂

"nobody notice them"
Yeah sure, that's why Sherif Gaber got 8 years in prison sentance.

Nobody cared because you guys are busy with more important stuff

[manic juniper]

In my country you have databases where people can find your phone number and your residence simply by knowing your name, can you imagine leaving your name out in the open on here

[restive zodiac]

we welcome criticism , but we don't encourage insults, disrespecting others, and spreading misinformations .

[slender coral]

Your brothers and sisters in Palestine are getting slaughtered and your top priority is to imprison a young man who expresses his opinions online.

[restive zodiac]

sure ur a student of that clown

it is great to know u left religion bcz of him.

what a lvl

[manic juniper]

Most people don't convert or become atheists because of someone else unless it's about their partners

It's a personal journey

[restive zodiac]

false equivalence.. ur logic is flawed.

[manic juniper]

I didn't know about this guy but it's crazy

[shy summit]

Louisiana fucked

[manic juniper]

Won't this affect the republicans' voter base?

[mortal depot]

Sherif gaber is a Arabic speaker now you can't use the "you don't know Arabic" excuse lmao

[restive zodiac]

what ?.that just another parrot repeats objections that was been refuted before even he was born .

[mortal depot]

You guys think like this about everybody you don't even like criticism sheriff is kindly doing it
You are lying to yourself that you accept criticism

[restive zodiac]

most people don't filter the ideas that comes to their minds from media ,books or any source of info. if their just be an inner drive or a past experience that encourage accepting them as a truth ,then blindly will believe it.

[slender coral]

This is so real

[mortal depot]

Bro ignored me too
He damn well knows he can't accept anything

[slender coral]

"We accept criticism"
But when someone criticism they would whine about how this person is being disrespectful or being a part of some great conspiracy against Islam.

[restive zodiac]

are u sure sherif does that ?

[slender coral]

And then that person would get killed, imprisoned, or harassed and mfs would celebrate it.

[mortal depot]

Yes

[restive zodiac]

ur not knowing of anything.

[mortal depot]

Another excuse

[restive zodiac]

are u an arab

[mortal depot]

Hypocritical behavior is common

[restive zodiac]

if ur not just shut it

[mortal depot]

No of course not
I obviously islam is man made Muhammad made up virgins in heaven lol to attract you guys

[slender coral]

Many of Sherif's videos are translated.

[mortal depot]

Why do you guys spew shit like this

[slender coral]

فضيحتكم ان شاء الله بجلاجل 🙂
May Allah make it louder.

[restive zodiac]

are u sure of what you re saying

[mortal depot]

Yes surah 78:33
Wow such a beautiful heaven

[restive zodiac]

what the problem in having marriage in heaven as heaven a place of internal bless also in ur own doctrine ..

[slender coral]

Marriage with 72+ individuals, and that's only for men.

Yeah, no problem with that at all 🙂

I really feel pity for Muslim women. Believing that you'd just stay out while your spouse whom you lived your entire life for fucking with 72+ other women. It's unbelievably sad.

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[mortal depot]

Lust on earth lust in heaven

Matthew 22:30 says, "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven".

[mortal depot]

Imagine looking at islamic heaven and thinking Muhammad didn't make it up
Absolute stupidity

[prisma cipher]

But you not one of them, you smart and filter thing, cool.

[strange iris]

I have never heard of terrorism in the gulf states.

[slender coral]

Some incidents used to happen in Saudi Arabia at some point.

[strange iris]

Incidents happen EVERYWHERE, but I don’t see how these countries are, perhaps, ‘known’ for terrorism.

I agree, Muslims have little to no tolerance for questioning faith, and there is way too much ignorance for their own good, but this is an issue in any conservative society.

[restive zodiac]

First .What is proven in the saheeh Sunnah is that the martyr (shaheed) will have seventy-two hoor 'iyn. The least of the people of Paradise will have two wives, and some will have more than that.

Psychologically and scientifically women favor one partner ,but for men its quite the opposite..

In Paradise, a woman gets pleasure only from one man just as a man takes pleasure in wives. So, there is no single wife in Paradise. Allah's Messenger sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said: “There are no single people in Paradise.” [Muslim]
Ibn Mandhoor said in Lisaan Al-‘Arab Lexicon: “The unmarried are those men and women who have no spouse.”

Allah Says (what means): {Indeed, We have produced the women of Paradise in a [new] creation; And made them virgins, Devoted [to their husbands] and of equal age,} [Quran 56:35-37]

This means that Allah, The Great and Almighty, will recreate the old women of the present life with eyes with white secretion and make them virgin and full of love for their mates. In other words, they become virgin, undefiled and full of love after they were deflowered, widowed and divorced. They show love, sweetness and elegance to their mates.
Allah Says (what means): {In them are women limiting [their] glances, untouched before them by man or jinni -} [Quran 55:56]

Ibn 'Abbas may Allaah be pleased with him and others said: “This verse means that women in Paradise lower their gaze except towards their husband. They do not see better than their husbands in Paradise.”

[strange iris]

Interesting. On what basis are you stating that men prefer multiple women? I, for one, don’t.

[thorny steeple]

It's a general statement, it does not exclude exceptions

[restive zodiac]

ur not a man

[strange iris]

Then what am I?

[lament forge]

u didn't answer the question

[strange iris]

It’s a claim, a general one at that, but I want to know how he is so sure of it, and based on what.

[lament forge]

absolutely

[restive zodiac]

there are many studies done on that ,suggest what I claimed, the reality of most men sleep with deff girl in each week -exaggeration-

[strange iris]

Can you link it?

Any of them?

[strange iris]

Also, you’re implying that men who favor having one partner only aren’t real men for some reason? I find this very confusing.

[thorny steeple]

"He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men.

As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.

He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms – which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants."

[restive zodiac]

no that's not necessary

[strange iris]

Huh?

What’s not necessary?

Do you mean “not necessarily?”

[restive zodiac]

doesn't imply what u mention... it just a desire but controlled. Im just saying that men dont find psychologically problematic to have multiple partners, but women usually favor only one partner

[strange iris]

Then with what reason did you give me such an insulting response??

[mortal depot]

Thomas Aquinas

Cool bro

[restive zodiac]

Schmitt, D. P. (2003). Sex and gender differences in human mate preferences: Evolutionary hypotheses and implications for relationship strategies. Current Directions in Psychological Science, 12(3), 89-94.
Focus: This paper reviews and expands on the evolutionary perspective of mate preferences, looking at sex differences. It examines how these preferences might influence actual relationship strategies.
Clark, R. D., & Hatfield, E. (1989). Gender differences in receptivity to short-term sexual offers. Journal of personality and social psychology, 57(6), 1041.
Focus: This study directly examined men's and women's willingness to accept offers of casual sex.
Buss, D. M., & Schmitt, D. P. (1993). Sexual strategies theory: An evolutionary perspective on human mating. Psychological review, 100(2), 204.  
Focus: This paper proposes Sexual Strategies Theory, an evolutionary psychology perspective that suggests men and women have evolved different mating strategies based on their differing parental investment. It argues that men, due to lower parental investment, are more inclined towards short-term mating and a desire for multiple partners to maximize reproductive success. Women, with higher parental investment, are predicted to be more selective and prioritize long-term relationships with resources and commitment.
Sprecher, S., & Regan, P. C. (2002). Sexuality in close relationships. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 19(6), 791-806.
Focus: This study explores various aspects of sexuality in close relationships, including attitudes towards infidelity and desire for multiple partners.

[strange iris]

Ah, I see. This is what I was expecting.

[restive zodiac]

where and when did I insult y?

[strange iris]

.

[strange iris]

These effects on mating behavior are a result of social circumstances (parental investment). Cool, how does this apply to heaven and the afterlife

[restive zodiac]

that is an insult, u may perceived to be ,but I didn't mean it offensively

[restive zodiac]

also to biological, and psychological drivers

[strange iris]

I think it touches more on short term relationships rather than having multiple partners at the same time, but at this point we’d just be arguing semantics.

[restive zodiac]

just observe reality of the west ,ppl are Ok with being married and having other sexual partners. And usually both do it.

[strange iris]

I rarely hear of people being ok with it, I know people still do it and feel guilty about it though. I also believe it’s more to do with finding a more fitting partner than having multiple people at the same time for the sake of it.

[restive zodiac]

i agree but doesn't negate the fact that men in average may favor multiple partners

[manic juniper]

Studies from 22 years ago MINIMUM LMFAO

[restive zodiac]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RcmHn-teeRQ?si=Wz0oRpQSx7WaE5Rw

[thorny steeple]

why would that be outdated in any way

[manic juniper]

It's just funny if it's the best he could come up with

20 years are a lot in science, let alone 35 or more

[thorny steeple]

anyways, I feel old now, I was born in 2002

[hidden flint]

halo

helooo

[fallen shoal]

I couldn't sleep 🥲

[thorny steeple]

He didn't have many sources to research about the religion at that time, they are more vast by now

[hidden flint]

18:40 here

[mortal depot]

And he still nailed it

[thorny steeple]

trve, he was the goat

Even atheists admit he wasn't like the others

[foggy musk]

Hello

[weary latch]

Hi

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUpCTlV58QU

[shy summit]

@feral river You should get a kick out of this. What do you think would happen to this guy if he did this on the mainland?

[simple imp]

That's good, btw good morning 🫠

[waxen shale]

Do you know destiny @shy summit ?

[waxen shale]

He wanna use nuclear wepons🤯

[shy summit]

Heard of him don’t watch him

[waxen shale]

He was once an active liberal now he turns into conservative because of hes bisexual poly gf breaks up with him

[urban swift]

Question:
Should watching porn be considered cheating? Why and why not?

[thorny steeple]

This is not something to be asked in here

[manic juniper]

Wasn't he a leftist that became liberal

He hates conservatives, never heard him say anything positive on them

[shy summit]

That sounds like manic depression…

[formal pilot]

The NNSA also help store nuclear weapons grade material for other countries. So it will be helpful for other organizations to find those materials

And create nuclear weapons lol

We're one step closer to the nuclear appoclypse

[urban swift]

I don't see any rules regarding what you just said

If you have anything insightful, you're welcome. Otherwise just ignore if you don't have opinions about this

[feral river]

Oh myyyyyyyyyy fucking god

He will be swiftly removed if he did that in my mainland

Oh that was so fucked crazy he did just ignore his nation’s interest and people’s interest

Fucking crazy wtf put classified data on website

How could he do that

[thick pulsar]

Elon rn has sudo privileges over the us government

[gritty lynx]

I wish I could say the same 🌝

[feral river]

lmao

[nocturne lintel]

its called serioues chat for a reason

[faint wasp]

Mine is not bad too, its nike runswift 3

@gritty lynx

[elder seal]

He's been accused of being a conservative since 2019. This argument is just weird - The only "conservative" thing he's guilty of is actually building his own beliefs instead of remaining fixed on bipartisan lines

He's practically been opposed to the minimum wage forever; his defence of Rittenhouse predates his breakup by a few years and he's discussed the firing of a biology professor for discussing ideas that were in contradiction to consensus. These are just some examples where he's been accused of "conservatism," he's also been an open critic of socialism since at least 2020.

[tight carbon]

Hello, my name is Peter, I would like to ask someone from the community if someone could help me regarding whether they know of any forum dedicated to movies + series and anime that will be released in 2025. Could someone active here now look for something and send it to me by asking politely?

[elder seal]

You're in essence just claiming he's a conservative for things he's always believed in and done, but now with your pseudopsychological clause of weaseling in the premise that it's "because his gf broke up with him." Firstly, it wasn't his "gf," it was his wife. Secondly, he broke up with her, not the other way around.

[elder seal]

"Liberal" in an U.S terminology if identical with "leftist," a liberal is the same as a social democrat or a social liberal in Europe - He was originally a libertarian (or, liberal as we call it here) who turned to social democracy due to a variety of issues he had with free market capitalism. As far as I know, he's not turned conservative either, Kelp's just using the age old mantra against Destiny I've heard since 2019.

the only thing he's guilty of is not being "left wing enough."

In fact, just going on his channel, just 11 days ago he made a video attacking the Trump administration for his tariff policies - No clue where the "conservative" argument is even coming from. Kelp's just making shit up

[feral river]

based on general definition I'm a liberal in China

and I'm a conservative in the US or the western world

[elder seal]

Tell me you're clueless, without telling me you're clueless.

[feral river]

sigh

you always so fucked with that

[elder seal]

Even in Europe a liberal is a liberal - That's no difference in degree because both are defined by static and fixed terminologies.

The entire democratic party manifesto would be left-wing, even in Europe - The "Bernie sanders is a social democrat" crowd always amuse me, becuase going by his policies, he'd be left to the Danish far-left going by his own policy papers

[feral river]

terminologies aren't in one dictionary under one authority and recognition

[elder seal]

Again, saying absolutely nothing.

You literally only come with nothing-burgers and pretend it's a meaningful rebuttal

[feral river]

no it's basically saying that's bullshit of your shit about fixed terminologies

[elder seal]

Within an U.S context, anyone who's slightly on the left, would be left-wing. A danish right-winger would be conservative / right-wing, even in america.

[feral river]

lmao fixed dude you cooked yourself again

[elder seal]

Is A equal to A?

[feral river]

can be and can not to be

depends how you gonna say it

[elder seal]

So you can be both yourself and not yourself?

Explain how you can be not yourself

[feral river]

technically yes

[elder seal]

Explain how you can be not yourself.

[feral river]

humm ez I do not recognize "myself"

[elder seal]

That doesn't mean you're not yourself.

[feral river]

yeah in god's vision yes but you are not the god

[elder seal]

You've assumed yourself in that framework. To even be able to "not recognize" assume the capacity of something to recognize.

[feral river]

god does not exist

LMAO

[elder seal]

So, let's return to the problem - you've not demonstrated that "A can't be A," you've only proven A has to be A. If that then follows, then any terminology is fixed by virtue of the law of identity

[feral river]

can't care less that's your bullshit tbh

why can't I say A can't be A is not fixed because I can recognize it to A can be A again ?

oh you thought you are a god huh ?

you are nothing

[elder seal]

Again - You're not saying anything. Again. In saying "recognize" you've subsumed an object; you're still relying on identity. If I talk of 1 cm of a tree, I am affirming an identity of parts, this does not do away with A = A, you've just said A.1 = A.1

[feral river]

wake up

[feral river]

because based on different terminologies, it can be established

simple as fucked

[elder seal]

we can use a word to have different meaning, but then the word is not the same. So when we use "liberal" in Europe, we mean something different from "liberal in america," hence liberal (US) =/= liberal (EU), but what "liberal (US)" is composite of, will be identical regardless of area. So no, if you were a liberal (US) in China, you'd not be a conservative in america, you'd be a liberal.

[elder seal]

Then you're only establishing different identities, you're not doing away with the identities

[feral river]

ah huh not possible since there's no any single authority entity claims their dictionary is the real one

and that's the truth

[feral river]

if that could be established, what can not to be ?

[elder seal]

It doesn't matter. There doesn't need to be an authority, because the identity is the same when we speak of the same. Words are bundles of presupposed content; if I am saying x) which is composite of a series of content, it doesn't matter where I say it, the bundle remains identical

[feral river]

that's the real clueless bro

[elder seal]

It doesn't need to be established. It already is by vritue of you communicating it. You've already assumed it now in saying it.

[elder seal]

Projecting much.

[feral river]

oh really I don't feel like we are talking the same thing even you didn't even try to ask what's the liberal

[elder seal]

If we understand liberal as it is understood in america, you're still a liberal even if you're in china or America, it doesn't matter where you are - you remain the same. Even within the context of China.

[feral river]

and you said oh fuck this, fuck you because this is a fixed terminlogy

dude is this your way of talking ?

[elder seal]

Just say if you've difficulty grasping words.

[feral river]

oh fixed thought would be hard to understand on your side of thinking on me

L.M.A.O.

[elder seal]

You're sort of giving that vibe given the inability to develop a rebuttal

This is pretty much basic logic - Like, we're not talking anything heavy, it's a fundamental you learn in high school

[feral river]

ah huh then try to rebut your "fixed" terminlogy then, it's you saying that's fixed, it's you saying I'm the guy who's twisting it, you didn't ask anything and even you are still going like this shit over and over again

you are not talking right now

[feral river]

really doubt that if you have that experience

[elder seal]

Because any terminology is by virtue "Fixed." If I define x) as [x1, x2, x3] it does not change that you use x) to say [y1, y5, y3] because the initial terminology of x) remains identical as [x1, x2, x3] even if you're utilizing a word in a different way. It's very obvious you don't understand the word "terminology"

[feral river]

and if you don't go in that, I don't think there will be no chance for you to know it

[elder seal]

you're clearly conflating terminology with "word," terminology is a word's delineated meaning.

Notice the sudden silence.

[feral river]

irrelevant

let me rephrase that

[elder seal]

No, it's pretty much relevant because that's the object of your opposition. So is what you disagree with irrelevant to your disagreement?

[feral river]

I didn't shit today because any shit is by my ass "fixed" If I define x) as [x1, x2, x3] it does not change that you use x) to say [y1, y5, y3] because the initial terminology of x) remains identical as [x1, x2, x3] even if I did shit today. It's very obvious I didn't shit today.

😂

bro honest to say very logical

I really doubt if you understand what that means

[elder seal]

This just demonstrates a complete lack of comprehension of what was just said. If I use X) to mean [y1, y5, y3] I am using a completely different terminology from the initial X) which was composite of [x1, x2, x3] - These* two are not the same terminology, they're only identical at surface, not in meaning, hence, they assume different form and term

Like, minecraft, just say if you don't understand, it's okay to be wrong

[feral river]

hold on

let me laugh for a while

[urban swift]

This text is full of shit

[elder seal]

At th end of the day this is you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

[feral river]

true 🤣

[urban swift]

Fun fact: girls don't shit

[feral river]

very good, saying literally nothing, and using indirect insult and trying to copy some ass stuff to pretend you have won the argument

and you don't even know what's the argument about

and you did assert some shit over and over again with bullshit logical sentences

but I'm sorry you must have to know that logical != be true

[elder seal]

I'm saying a lot - you've just been unable to contradict it. Let's give a case study: "gender" within colloquial terminology often refers to one of two genders, man or woman, within the field or sociology though, gender assumes a distinct meaning, based on which theory we're using: doing gender, or performing gender.

The first is a matter of external competence; the second, of internal desire and modus operandi. In either case, they mean something distinct from "man or woman," does that then mean the colloquial meaning ceases to be? No - It's just that the word "gender" is now used within a different series of meaning, i.e., taxonomy, or terminology.

That's how those two terms are often applied. Your layman ignorance isn't saying much on this matter

[feral river]

making things complicated again

I'm not going to drop in that I can directly tell you and if you wanna talk about what's the terminlogy of gender, I believe there are millions of version according to different people and groups

and that is the truth

[elder seal]

This isn't complicated. It's basic. Words are not terminologies, terminologies are a series of 'meanings' composite in a word. This is why terminology means a special term, i.e., ": a word or expression that has a precise meaning in some uses or is peculiar to a science, art, profession, or subject" - I.e., the meaning alternates between objects.

[feral river]

baseless assertion with preconceived tactics, but that is not working for me.

good news is you are on the field, not too bad

[elder seal]

You're not saying anything at all. That people apply a word differently does not mean the 'word' itself, as applied in a given context, is not fixed to the context applied. You're not saying "B = A, haha, see," you're just saying B = A => A = B => A = A = B = B, it does not mean A is not A ,it just means A and B are identicals, they're not opposed or different.

[elder seal]

Nonargument.

[feral river]

you didn't even try to understand what I mean about that logic does not proof anything

I said it over and over again

[elder seal]

"Logic does not prove anything," alright, what proves something and what is proof?

[feral river]

twisting words very good no comments further

[elder seal]

You're sayig a self-contradiction. You're affirming a logical statement that "logic doesn't prove anything," but then you have no proof for that, and hence, you're wrongh.

by virtue of your own conclusion

[feral river]

ah huh bullshit claims again with twisting words

[elder seal]

you're wrong. So we must return to the only one who does not affirm a self-contradiction

[feral river]

you are fucked with that list of behavior

[elder seal]

Nobody's twisting anything. You're saying that "logic does not proof anything," it's prove* So here we must conclude that logic can't prove anything, but then what can? Nothing, so hence, the statement itself is wrong, meaning that it can't be right.

[feral river]

find one sentence about I said logic does not proof anything

[rough folio]

🍿

Whats going on?

[feral river]

try

[elder seal]

@feral river

That's a self-contradiction.

"That logic," is a fundamental law of logic fyi

so you can only contradict logic in disagreeing with it

I'm merely granting formal proof for the law of identity.

[feral river]

wait if you can understand that as "logic does not proof anything" what you can not to be understand in another way ?

oh you said that's logic does not proof anything, simply ask why can't I

[elder seal]

This sentence has many grammatical errors. rephrase.

[feral river]

nah

straight and clear

[elder seal]

"what you can not to be understand in another way ?" this is essentially a meaningless sentence, it's grammatically incorrect.

'to be' first and foremost has no meaning in the sentence

[feral river]

what you basically do is pick a random sus sentence and interpret in your way of another version of explainion based your claim against me

such a childish game

not very funny

[elder seal]

I'm going by what you said - If you're unable to communicate it, that's your problem. When we say "about that logic does not proof anything, you can only mean one of two things

1. My logic isn't proof, which runs into a problem, because "my logic" is fundamental logic and is supposed to prove the law of identity you denied earlier,
2. Logic does not prove anything, which is absurd.

[feral river]

I don't even wanna expose you or insult you in some way I just think if somebody says that, what he would feel

this is gonna be funny after all

[elder seal]

It's logic mate.

[feral river]

you have your logic, very good, I have mine

[elder seal]

your argument was "A = A" is incorrect. Which means you must prove A isn't A, the only evidence was "i can not recognize myself as myself," but you not recognizing yourself supposes firstly, yourself, in recognizing, and hence, the idntity of yourself, even if you do not recognize yourself as yourself - this is trivial

[elder seal]

That's not how logic works. This amounts to a denial of logic.

[feral river]

you think so, but it works in reality

[elder seal]

I'm going through this with you, becuse it's very obvious you've not been taught fundamentals.

[elder seal]

How does it "work in reality," which part of it works in reality?

Do you cease to be you as soon as you stop thinking about yourself?

[feral river]

another subject, totally irrelevant

ofc if you want to go into that

[elder seal]

No, it isn't, that's the subject itself - this is the subject.

[feral river]

let's do that

[feral river]

nah

[elder seal]

That's a question which proves the law of identity, which you claim is entirely subjective.

[feral river]

aren't you

[elder seal]

fact is, if "this worked in reality," I could phase through a car that's trying to run me over.

[feral river]

you can't be more subjective dude

lmao

[elder seal]

Per. definition it isn't - Can you phase through a car by denying the car is hitting you?

[feral river]

your definition

not mine or any other's dude

[elder seal]

It's a question. You're not answering it.

It's a yes or no question.

[feral river]

this is a world with every individual being, not in your own dream

don't talking like you are dreaming

[elder seal]

If it was entirely subjective, and reality, then I could be in the sky and on the ground at one and the same time

which i can't

[elder seal]

You're the one making up a reality as you go because you're realizing the position you're holding is untenable.

If you were correct - We'd run into a series of absurdities. I've just mentioned one

So no, your statements aren't "reality," they're closer to a dream than anything can be

[feral river]

I'm just losing interest because you did pull a lot of baseless claims, twisting my words, use useless and your "nobody care" logic and asserting what you've dreamking is the truth or reality or logical or some other stuff

have you just done the drug thing ?

and your brainwashing tactics, does not working for me

that one at least I can respect you based on that

at least you have some advance

to other regular people it might work

[elder seal]

😭 The copium is going hard here- Let's return to the original question then.

Here's what you said:

So you can be both yourself and not yourself?
Explain how you can be not yourself
Minecraft_652 (China mainland) — Today at 8:49 AM technically yes
Do you think someone can be not thmselves? If so, do you think people can be both in the sky and on earth at once and the same time

All I am guilty of is using your words against you

[feral river]

oh you did remove that "you are an idiot" such a direct insult lmao regreting that I didn't screenshot

[elder seal]

If, as you claim, that's "just reality," well, then you've run into a series of difficulties. If i can be the computer in front of me as much as "myself," then i am two places at once. Hence, it's entirely arbitrary whether I am in the sky or on the ground at one and the same time. If so, if something can be two places at once, something is both wrong and true at the same instance, and we can't have 'truth' at all - Which is also self-contradictory.

[elder seal]

🤷🏻‍♂️ Didn't delete anything

[feral river]

So you can be both yourself and not yourself?
technically yes
Explain how you can be not yourself
Explain how you can be not yourself.
humm ez I do not recognize "myself"
That doesn't mean you're not yourself.
yeah in god's vision yes but you are not the god
You've assumed yourself in that framework. To even be able to "not recognize" assume the capacity of something to recognize.
god does not exist
LMAO

[feral river]

do I really need to call the admins to check that ?

yes or no

[elder seal]

Yes - This entire statement is reductable exactly to what i just said. Your reasoning for 'technically yes' is "god is not real," this doesn't mean anything.

God can be real or unreal, it doesn't matter, you're still either yourself or not yourself, if you're not yourself, you're two places at once, because you'ver acknowledged the "self" is in the "not." If you are yourself, then we return and accept the clause of A = A

[feral river]

idk if you are so damn lack of confidence based on that, but that's not how it works as what you said

[elder seal]

IDK if you are "so damn lack of confidence," what has "my confidence" and lack thereof to do with that?

[elder seal]

Your argument must imply the following:

[feral river]

and I totally lost interest, I will disengage and here's my last message for you
whatever you believe, I don't give a shit
whatever you think it's logical, I don't give a shit
whatever you think that's some other stuff or something, I can't care less and I don't give a shit
you neither did start a debate or conversation but yapping with twisting my words, direct/indirect insult, baseless assertion and statement

based on that I just don't have much time to deal with that in here because I have to go now

[elder seal]

Well, demonstratably incorrect - you were attempting to deal with the subject and got burned. This means that the following clause: "whatever you think it's logical, I don't give a shit" is incorrect 🤣 If you didn't "give a shit," you'd not have initiated opposition, so you've basically contradicted yourself here

[feral river]

and the last, let people see this as my last message, TO KNOW THE ENTIRE THING BEFORE EVALUATE

over

[elder seal]

Sophists do be fun to debate.

[barren panther]

What is schwa sound and how does it get affected by connected speech ?

[elder seal]

Fuck's a Schwa

I think the question may be better asked in #📚｜english-questions

[small void]

What were you 2 talking about?

[slender coral]

May Allah guide y'all

[uneven spade]

Anyone in here is russian? I need some help for translate the VN

[formal pilot]

#1006555275152588901

[uneven spade]

Thank you!

[paper pilot]

hi

[elder seal]

Abu has embraced Islam - Alhamdulillah 🙏🏻

[urban swift]

Inshallah

[slender coral]

Lol

May Allah guide can be used like "yo guys chill".

@urban swift where are you from?

[manic juniper]

May Allah fix my save corruption bug on LBP2

[urban swift]

Allah knows better akhi

[median brook]

Any one want to call to improve our listening and speaking

[slender coral]

I think the Islamic death penalty for apostasy is one of the many disasters that get overlooked in Islam. When you ask a Muslim why they implement this shit, they'd tell you that this rule is set so people don't get led astray and leave the religion. The thing is, this is a very problematic view to hold with other Islamic views regarding goodness and evil. One shiekh once said "an apostate robs people of their afterlife by leading them away from the religion", and here a logical question rises, what makes someone deserving of heaven and other deserving of hell? If the quality that makes someone a believer is present in them, it shouldn't matter whether the country they live in implements the death penalty for apostasy and other measures against criticism of Islam and "heresy".
Let's say there's someone called Ahmed. Ahmed lives in a Muslim majority country where different religious views are supressed just like the ideal Islamic country. Ahmed lives and dies a Muslim and goes to heaven. Could've Ahmed's fate change if the country doesn't suppress dissent? For example, if he got exposed to atheist ideas that Muslim fundamentalists are fighting through the legal system and intimidation to, as they say, "protect" people like him from getting led astray, could've he become an apostate? If yes, doesn't this mean that the quality that makes him deserving of heaven doesn't exist and his faith has always been weak?

I think the problem here is the white/black outlook on the world that Islam has. Trying to classify people as good and evil through something like belief and lack of belief is ideotic because it simplifies good and evil a lot. People usually can distribute moral responsibily over two people who commited two wrong actions and one of them did that wrong thing as a result of the other's wrong action. One of the two can simply be more responsible than the other.
On the other hand, when you have a binary system of good and bad, it shows how arbitrary the qualities that you judge with.

[river ledge]

Thanks to the comments here, I see how much misunderstood Islam is.

[slender coral]

I don't think so, but I think we can at least agree that Muslim societies are very fanatical. Even if you think my views about Islam are wrong, I think how wide spread Islamic fanaticism is can't be disputed.

[thorny steeple]

We are also told to keep it sfw

[river ledge]

Totally agree.
It's actually a serious problem.
And my previous comment is referring to the white/black outlook because I think it's more than that but, unfortunately, people usually oversee it.

[slender coral]

I really wish things change one day. Have a good day.

[river ledge]

Same.

Hopefully I didn't sound rude.
I also wanted to point out the comments from yesterday that way.

And thank you. You, too, have a good day!

[upper peak]

I do wanna ask , like there was a reel on social media asked , " Do you need men" ? to girls/ women..
And most of the girls/ women answered "NO" they don't need..

So what do you think about why they say? Especially men what do you think...🙂

[thorny steeple]

cringe

these „women“ have never felt loved from their parents, that‘s why they are so filled with anger and hate towards men

they should see a psychiatrist

[upper peak]

Lol

I think you went crazy after hearing this 🤣@thorny steeple

Calm down man ! 😂

[thorny steeple]

i come across videos like that on tiktok and the comments are always so frustrating i swear to god, i hope they will never find a man in their life since they are so independent

[slender coral]

Women don't need men in particular and I think it's true the other way around as well, men don't need women. But humans need other humans regardless of gender. Some men and women live their entire lives without needing to have someone of the other sex.

[restive zodiac]

Ur premises and knowledge about Apostasy is flawed and unrealistic..
the reason behind apostasy is to protect the safety and the stability of the Muslim community..
that's why anyone who starts publicly and openly convincing Muslims to leave their religion would face that law that is done under and Islamic state by the government itself and not arbitrary by individuals likewise in Christianity .
(imagine someone leaves his EX and starts talking about it in front of ppl ,likewise those apostate do it became a work for them.)
the fact that the criteria to establish it needs certain proofs like the apostate declared publicly that he leaves Islam ,bcz nobody will knows what inside the hearts. tell us exactly that this law came for the safety of Muslims. nobody cares if someone is secretly non believer ,but its problematic when an apostate start triggering the stability of Muslim community.
not to mention the fact that those apostate would have a period of ''Tawba'' where they can discuss the reasons behind leaving islam and answering all their doubts.. so the final decision is on them would they choose to repend or die for their arrogance.

and let me play devil's advocate with u as an atheist u dont have any moral authority to say this is wrong or good ,what is ur source of morality ?. from a political sociological stand point apostasy is Fine .In fact, in secular states/countries, certain actions, although not violent, could be sentenced with violent punishments, such as treason which is punishable by death in many secular and non-secular countries (US, China, Russia, North Korea etc...). clea
So, punishments are not solely dependent on the action, but also on the effect and influence of that action on society ..
U may say why the need of this law if Islam is clearly the truth?, then I would say it's sociological necessity to protect the Muslim community especially the weak target.

[slender coral]

I like how you made a fat ass paragraph without addressing the points I raised at all 🙂
I'm not saying that the death penalty is morally wrong. Read my messages again please.

[restive zodiac]

why it is based on what?

[slender coral]

It's a matter of free will if you don't realize. The problem here is that the death penality implies that Muslim individuals don't have free will and the existance of an external factor like someone criticizing religion can determine their fate.

[restive zodiac]

reread my reply ull find ur answer

it not a matter of faith it s a matter of protection

[slender coral]

Yes, why do you need to protect people in the first place? Because they would leave Islam if they get exposed to anti Islam ideas right?

[restive zodiac]

nobody cares about an apostate until start spreading his ideology

[restive zodiac]

not necessary but it s a way to protect Muslims from the beginning, cuz there are also ppl that have lack of knowledge and weak faith that may be affected by those ppl. it s about prioritizing safety and stability and locking up the door on any thing that could harm our society whatever our faith strength or truthfulness of our religion.

تذكر "الوقاية خير من العلاج"

[slender coral]

So, you basically think that the fate of someone relies on whether apostasy and criticism are allowed or not. In the example I provided, Ahmed died a Muslim and went to heaven, if we go back in time and make his country stop executing apostates and stop imprisoning people who would criticize Islam he would die a non-Muslim and go to hell. Do you realize what that mean? Ahmed doesn't have control over his fate, and he is supposed to not be worthy of heaven.

The problem here is purely logical. I'm not arguing morality.

[restive zodiac]

i see u r problem. u have to know it not about the strength of the faith of somebody ,Allah knows best .but apostasy is a political law that protect Muslims from the exposure of such things. an apostate may live as a hypocrite cuz he don't think Islam is the truth but that up to him, there is a law that protect others so he shouldn't start preaching others to leave islam and triggering their stability.
it s not about basing the faith on strength of islam against those ''Shubuhat'' ,it about prioritizing prevention and safety.

[slender coral]

lol so you basically have no answer

"Allah knows best", yeah sure.

[restive zodiac]

reread bcz i answer u ,if u didn't like it its up to u , not to mention that ur objection is quite silly and childish.

ur problem is basing a faith on this law ,while the law came just as prevention.

[feral river]

I initiated opposition because I have interest to engage before, and now you made me lost that over and over again with your bullshit all together

[feral river]

woah this making more sense to me

and you are still fucked with your logic with that explaination

[feral river]

tbh nobody would care if you mind your own business with your group of people but the reality is you guys started to influence and attract other people to join that

[slender coral]

Anyway, putting the dilemma that your god made aside, I wanna address this ridiculous argument about treason. No apostasy is not treason, secular countries don't execute you if you stop being a secularist. Treason isn't about changing your ideology and promoting a different one than what the state has, it's about betraying the country by putting its national security at risk by siding with an enemy. Three of the countries you mentioned are authoritarian and don't align with my values, and for the US this is only done with people who assist enemies during wars or officials who would leak information to enemies, and the punishment isn't always death. Trying to compare this to your ideotic death penality for apostasy is so desperate.

[feral river]

and every group have radicals but for islam I would say it gets more extreme for some groups use another way to explain it and implement to try to establish another islamic regime

[elder seal]

lose that*

[peak summit]

[feral river]

and that was so fucked because we are not giving that a little slight of chance to let you guys do that

[elder seal]

Really proving that earlier comment you got so angry about - do you know a joke is

[feral river]

you

[feral river]

I have some now

maybe you will, but try ?

[elder seal]

Sure you do

[feral river]

cuz you used to and you are so fucked with your logic because you knows literally nothing I really doubt if you are not angry with that or not

but why would I care, I'm not going to give a shit to what you think

[restive zodiac]

That law regard muslims and not non muslims . and in islamic land and not in a foreign land.

[feral river]

I don't even need logic to beat you lmao

[feral river]

it's about power and rule

[elder seal]

Because* "you used to" (used to what?) and you are so fucked with your logic because you know literally nothing,* I really doubt (if has no place here) you are not angry with that or not.

Also, why'd I be angry - If my logic was fucked, why did you flee with your tail between your legs like a coward?

[feral river]

because I'm not a person like you only debate on discord with no real life ?

probably I will disappear anytime for deal my business

and do you have one ?

talk to that with your logic

[elder seal]

I'm active in rl organizations - That'd be an incorrect presupposition. And "my logic" was very basic logic. The premise you applied so far was "I am not myself."

[feral river]

your logic is a basic logic applies to nothing but twisting words, making things complicated, and literally means nothing

my assertion is damn clear you can't even find two or three but one after talking that damn long time

[elder seal]

Right - saying it's "technically true" that you can be yourself and not yourself isn't actually a statement that's logical. It's intrinsically nonlogical. If you agree that you are yourself and can't not be "not-yourself," you can go on to discuss the subject matter. Until then, you've said very little

[feral river]

huh get around with yourself lmao

continue to guess what I mean

[elder seal]

Do you agree with the proposition that a statement is either true, or not true.

[restive zodiac]

apostasy in islam is same as treason, but the way and tool defer , both trigger the stability of society and put it at risk by creating division.

[feral river]

thought I was playing around with a little girl who guess every moment what I say and I'm indicating for

[elder seal]

Right. You've said nothing. Actually - let me try something. How'd you feel if you hadn't eaten anything today?

[feral river]

not too bad for me

[feral river]

I don't think you need to repeat it to make a positive affirmation to yourself

I'm not a therapist neither a consultant

[elder seal]

I'm asking you a question. If you're unable to answer a question, just say so

[feral river]

I'm not going to answer a question with no respect

[elder seal]

So I'll repeat. How'd you feel if you hadn't eaten anything today?

[feral river]

hunger

[elder seal]

So you can't answer it, alright.

[elder seal]

See, wasn't so difficult - Good.

[feral river]

I won't repeat twice

[elder seal]

Wouldn't the same apply to any form of change?

[slender coral]

Division will always be there, it's normal for people to have differing views. But what you make with the death penelity and other oppressive measures is turning diversity into animosity.

[elder seal]

Difference persists as prior - That's assumed by reason that apostacy as an action itself assumes apostacy as thought. People don't stop leaving a religion, they just choose not to express their abandoment

[slender coral]

Yeah. There are many ex-Muslims in the Muslim world actually. Many are in academic fields and state leadership position while not expressing their views to the public. The animosity Muslims create with them has been damaging to Muslim societies.

[elder seal]

Don't know if it's animosity muslims has created. Animosity occurs naturally from having deviation in opinion and perspectives. There's as much difference here between non-muslims and Muslims as between socialists and libertarians, they're both aspect of the polity, yet are both deviations within it that oppose each other on value grounds

[mortal depot]

Ex Muslim here 🖐️

[restive zodiac]

that a natural change, but a someone willingly triggering the stability of society is a crime.

[restive zodiac]

.

[elder seal]

If everyone says grass is yellow and I say that grass is green. And I willingly triggering the stability of society

[slender coral]

Hi. Me too bro. Where are you from?

[restive zodiac]

mind out the subject we are talking about

[elder seal]

It's a question.

[restive zodiac]

it a false equivalence

[mortal depot]

I am follower of Christ
I changed my username
Already told you tho
Pakistan

[elder seal]

It really isn't. It's actually direct analogy.

[slender coral]

Oh ok. I hope you denounced everything Islam stands for, including fanaticism.

[restive zodiac]

analogy= no argument

[elder seal]

The point is that if everyone thinks something that's possibly untrue, and I believe in something that's possible true, am I in the wrong for believing what's true?

[elder seal]

That's not how it works.

If I believe God doesn't exist, am I in the wrong for believing God doesn't exist, or are you in the wrong for being unable to prove it?

And if it's obvious, why'd we require a death penalty for it?

[restive zodiac]

death penalty is not against non beiliver !, it done towards ex mulims that spread misconception and try triggering the stability of muslim community

[elder seal]

@slender coral So it's exclusively against ex muslims that "spread misconceptions"? I thought it was against any ex muslim

[restive zodiac]

God existence is very clear and obv i would say .

[restive zodiac]

nobody could know if ur exmuslim until u start preaching misconception publicly

[elder seal]

I don't know how true that is. Some supposed exmuslims uses justifications for unbelief that's found in the verses

[elder seal]

Of course you would. Though I'd probably ask the question - how many philosophers and thinkers that are critical of God have you read or studied?

[restive zodiac]

and if u didnt repent death penalty will be applicable after the period of discussion of his objection with scholars

[elder seal]

That's a fairly weak justifications because you're asking people to speak with those in authority who has direct access to force as a method of being justified - they can be wrong, entirely, and they'd still give you the death penalty for it.

[mortal depot]

This is the first and last time I am gonna agree with you

God's existence is obvious

[elder seal]

If it was obvious, you'd not have many atheists

[restive zodiac]

scholar will just answer his doubts and objection that leaded him to leave the religion. the application of death penalty becomes his choice if he didnt chose to not repent

[mortal depot]

Even the new atheist movement failed

I used to be an atheist too
Too much mental gymnastics

[elder seal]

Right - so death or convert. That's not a clear juxtaposition

[elder seal]

I don't know if it's "mental gymnsatics," the idea of God require a clear justification - You've got a variede tradition such as the Deleuzian and Humean tradition which is strictly against God; in the former, the very idea of 'causality' is merely extrapolations from repetition, which is both chaotic and unorganized

[restive zodiac]

then should not start preaching in a muslim community, if he left islam good to him.

[elder seal]

Right - Should he be going to mosque every day?

[restive zodiac]

there nothing make not going to the mosque a crime . if he is not fine with it leave muslim lands

[elder seal]

Well - I mean, I'm merely asking. Though I suppose I'd concede to your point in that case 🙂‍↕️

[elder seal]

The new atheist movement is dead, that's true - But the new atheist movement was entirely without much grasp of metaphysics which left it dogmatic and docile to begin with. Richard Dawkins is exactly the person I'm referring to here when I'm saying this, as should be obvious

[slender coral]

Nope. It's against all, both in the texts and how the average Muslim fundamentalist see it.

[elder seal]

Thanks for the answer - bit late though 🙂‍↕️

[feral river]

hard to deny but there's too much gods

like me

if I'm going to deny that how I'm gonna justify that I'm the only true god ?

make a lot of sense

and why the fuck that does matter

got enough time for a match on LOL or CS2 rather than confusing with yourself about the existence of god

or continue to believe what you are tend to believed and turn bilnd about how it was dead but not totally dead because there's the middle east

[thorny steeple]

why are yall always arguing about religions

[feral river]

everything is possible in the middle east

[spare plaza]

Do you think that people who are believers are less intellectual individuals?

[feral river]

I don't think so somehow I would believe in god under certain circumstances

[elder seal]

It's a language server. Most members are Muslims or of religious background

[spare plaza]

I think because the constant wandering for something absolute and genuine to get meaning in their lives, or just fo looking a glorious porpoise

[feral river]

it's about influence and external pressure based on social contracts, religion is one of it on you, by giving a simple example of if your people, your friend, your family believes in god for probably random reason or no reason, will you even risk to contradict with them by not believe in god ?

that's dealbreaker if that happens

just not worth to mess it up

and somehow if that really matters to them, you can use it to exploit them by practicing something doesn't really matter to you

a good business to be honest

same thing for other things not only limited on religion

or you can turn back, declaring that you are one of them, and see how people's gonna react with your behavior to identify their feelings and attitudes about you

[main bison]

Why do so many people hate France

[feral river]

for me I live in an aboslute atheism society, I and my people won't give a single shit to that, and that does not exist in reality, at least no one can directly observe it, why would I give a shit

[manic juniper]

British propaganda

[feral river]

yeah that's my stance

[spare plaza]

I personally believe in God follow his teachings as best I can (Christian) because I want to be in good terms with him. And, I feel good ^^. @feral river it's a way of living to me too, like, having a healthy diet.

What kind of discussions are allowed here?

[feral river]

nice if you find yourself in your religion/tradition/culture or something

[spare plaza]

Can I ask you what country?

[feral river]

🇨🇳 People's Republic of China

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/china-flag-flag-raised-gif-16615172

[feral river]

this was funny lmao

I don't really like those fascists in China

or Chinese supermacist

[spare plaza]

In general, How is this server's behavior (people, mods, owner) when having serious conversations in voice channels ?

[thorny steeple]

I would say this movie welll kinda “patriotic” but more like chinese propaganda film

[feral river]

if that's for american viewers, nice

but for Chinese viewers, fucked

I don't think our people need more indoctrination from the state

at least I had enough of it

[thorny steeple]

I was believing that the Chinese passport powerful when i was young

[slender coral]

I know that most Muslim middle easterners hate it because of Charlie Hebdo.

[feral river]

nah

it's just... not too bad

but far from good

[knotty chasm]

What do you think about the memes made about tianamen square and taiwan

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2iPL8ZTo0

[orchid linden]

Hello

[urban swift]

Why are you using discord at work place ?

[thorny steeple]

I am not

[old phoenix]

I avoid commenting on football for fear of being ultracrepidarian

[thorny steeple]

wsup man

[orchid linden]

How are you doing bro??

[thorny steeple]

tf u mean with commenting on football? nobody talked about football here i guess…

[thorny steeple]

i‘m doing ok broski wby

[old phoenix]

just using WOTD ,,chilll bro

[thorny steeple]

u play eafc?

[old phoenix]

NOPEE

I DONT LIKE FOOTBALL

[thorny steeple]

okidoki

cmon man football‘s alright

especially champions league 🤗

[orchid linden]

Where are you from bro??

[thorny steeple]

türkiye and u?

[orchid linden]

I am Pakistani nice to meet you Turkish!

[thorny steeple]

ohhh our president has been to pakistan recently

[orchid linden]

It might be! Honestly I don't know about current affairs!

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-jongun-hi-hello-dictador-gif-12672400

hope he got the formula for nuclear weapons from ur president

[orchid linden]

😂

[orchid linden]

May Allah make your country Nuclear power

[thorny steeple]

insallah brother🤣 but i am actually concerned about my countries politics currently

[orchid linden]

MashaAllah. But I am not interested in Politics at all!

[thorny steeple]

i assume that everyone should have fundamental knowledge about their countries politics because there are definitely a lot of risks/threats for the folk if they have a bad president or government in general

[orchid linden]

Yes, you are right 100%.

[orchid linden]

What do you do for a living?

[mortal depot]

Yapping

[orchid linden]

No way!

[mortal depot]

I love how you asked him what he does for a living and he just left

[orchid linden]

No problem he will be back.

[thorny steeple]

bro i‘m at work lmao

[mortal depot]

Bruh

[thorny steeple]

doing a part time job bro

i have finished my apprenticeship last year and i‘m trying to study a profession based on my job

[orchid linden]

Oh cool. That's great!

[thorny steeple]

i would also like to study aerospace but i guess i am too dumb for that shit

what about you my broski?

[orchid linden]

I'm a high school student in grade 12. I am also doing freelancing.

[thorny steeple]

nice bro keep going 🫡

[orchid linden]

Thanks a bunch for the kind words!

[orchid linden]

It's too here! What's the time there?

[thorny steeple]

10pm wby

[feral river]

ahhhh that's nothing

I may not supporting government using tanks to suppress criminals, but arresting them all and prosecute them is necessary

I think Deng's administration did not leverage legal measures but an efficient one

and it did not cause much trouble to both the state and the party

or you wanna say it's immoral, it's brutal, it's oppression, whatever you like I don't give a shit

it was perfectly solved, it did work out, and the processes are not important

[umbral hawk]

Does anyone here have more servers to practice English?

[thorny steeple]

i would like to know too

so i can harass more people

[unique light]

hi guys

how are we?

[umbral hawk]

My English not very good and not bad i need partner to practice every day I am 17 years old

[tender vessel]

This is a simple one to answer. Iman (belief) in Islam is dynamic, increases and decreases. I believe you'd agree with me that one can present a deceptively persuasive argument that could potentially cause uninformed individuals to hold an erroneous belief. We also perceive it that way. A person's Iman may decrease by deception.
So, to answer "his faith has always been weak", not necessarily, as his Iman could negatively be impacted by external influences.
However, one's Iman being influenced by external factors doesn't necessarily mean they'll commit apostasy. If someone neglects seeking proper knowledge and understanding to resolve their doubts, they are willingly deciding to leave the religion on their own accord. Consequently, he/she is actively deciding the path to hellfire rather than the path to heaven.

Honestly, there are tons of erroneous statements in your passage which I could easily address, but I'm currently occupied with other matters. But, overall, I'd suggest you become a bit more empathetic in your argumentation and not load your statements with presuppositions. The topic of apostasy ruling is a complex one, Islam doesn't outright suppress dissent, and those topics are distinct from the question you've asked in the first place.
Also, Islam doesn't view morality as black and white.

[verbal torrent]

Yeto

[ashen mortar]

[main bison]

Womp womp

I swear to God not only once here someone has convinced the other side of argument their wrong

[urban swift]

No worries then

[thorny steeple]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNd1DGoaA/

[slender coral]

It's so fucking bold of you to ask me to be empathetic and not load my statements with presuppositions. The first time we talked here you and one of your fellow Muslims spat conspiracy theories at me about how there are evil people who criticize Islam online with bad intents.
Additionally, you didn't address any of the points I raised and made claims without any evidence. Islam does ban dissent and that's obvious with how criticizing the faith is heavily restricted in Muslim countries by the wishes of Muslim scholars in those countries. We got a movie banned in Egypt by the fucking al-Azhar for "promoting atheism".

Spoiler alert: that movie doesn't fucking do this at all. It just humanize atheists which is enough to trigger the average ignorant shiekh.

[slender coral]

I think this happens sometimes.

[prisma cipher]

Speak Russian

[waxen shale]

Oh there are anti-islam who uses lies and oppressing the minority of islam

Especially when you active online you get people who attacks islam because they heard rumours about islam. Even though that rumours are far from true

[livid blade]

which movie? I want to watch it 👀

[waxen shale]

If you saw the old western movies. They almost portrays bad things about islam but in a sneaky way

[livid blade]

I was asking about the movie that got banned in egypt

[livid blade]

It's not exactly news that hollywood movies are racist

[slender coral]

الملحد The Atheist
It was canceled afaik.

Because of Islamic institutions pressure of course.

[livid blade]

Maybe it got released at some international film festival

if it actually got made

[livid blade]

This?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15835132/

[dense agate]

who dropped this mid

[thorny steeple]

How's the movie overall!

[waxen shale]

The page is kinda interesting tho

[livid blade]

I haven't seen it

It got banned so it was probably good

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[waxen shale]

someone tell me whos it The victim ?!!
The muslim minority in Britain who got beaten by a far right person ideology
Or The Atheist who lives in middle east !?
Im Tired of This fucking!! Victim game.. debating which one is the most injustice of all. If We Go world war 3 i think this game is going to stop for good!

[tender vessel]

First of all, It's hard for me to understand how my advice is "bold". Maintaining a respectful dialog is key to fruitful discussions. Why should I listen to you if all you want is fighting out your ideas and expressing patronizing superiority? I don't have to.
Secondly, I haven't "spat conspiracy theories" at you, I haven't even implied "there are evil people who criticize Islam online with bad intents", although this is likely very true.
What I've done was explaining basic human decency and maturity. You've been complaining that certain critics of Islam are receiving harsh responses when they act disrespectfully, and I was explaining to you how actions have consequences and why insulting Islam and its 2 billion followers worldwide is unjustifiable and won't be tolerated.

you didn't address any of the points I raised and made claims without any evidence
I've addressed the question you've asked. You probably need to reread the message there, unless you're resorting to invincible ignorance (just to clarify, it's a fallacy, not an insult or disrespect). However, I've pointed out that you brought up topics - besides begging the question (presupposing conclusions) - that are not necessarily relevant to your question, which I won't address or respond to due to my limited time.

The rest of your message is basically baiting the hook to get a response about topics I'm refraining from engaging in, so I'll respectfully disregard it.

[manic juniper]

Probably both

Is this the channel where people ask stupid questions?

[wild brook]

Hello everyone, I want someone to practice the language with me on a regular basis, and his native language must be English, I am a complete beginner and sometimes I use a translator.

[thorny steeple]

Feels like it

[shy summit]

Yo all

[past locust]

Hi

[wild brook]

?

[rose eagle]

I understand, if the Chinese government doesn't take serious action against those pro-westerners, then China will probably has become very unstable like Burma

Right?

although a bit violent

In mainland China, are there many people who keep screaming about China having multi-party system like the West?

[icy bane]

Antiestablishmentarianism emerged as a profound ideological response to the pervasive pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis epidemic, which, despite its uncharacteristically slow dissemination, inadvertently encouraged numerous counterproductive movements, leading to widespread overcompensating behavior among unquestionably supercalifragilisticexpialidocious political theorists whose floccinaucinihilipilification of conventional methodologies further complicated the electroencephalographically analyzed data.

While the antagonistic adoption of antidisestablishmentarianism by so many appears, at first glance, to encourage a collective embrace of pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis-induced hysteria, such a position fails to consider the unquestionably overexaggerated influence of these misunderstood ideologies. The floccinaucinihilipilification of their foundational arguments, despite their supercalifragilisticexpialidocious charm, merely serves to counteract meaningful dialogue, leading instead to a misunderstanding of their true electroencephalographically observed implications—ultimately resulting in the unnecessarily counterproductive fragmentation of progressive discourse.

[feral river]

No

Nobody want that

[thorny steeple]

Imagine the CCP is austed out of power what will happen to China

[urban swift]

Makes me wonder why?

[feral river]

Because that sucks

And we all know that fact

We probably need another authoritarian leader but never wanted a democratic system

[feral river]

Then there will be a coup or something to succeed the CCP’s power

But the system of rule I can assure you will remain as what we have it today

[thorny steeple]

Yeah unless a civil war shakes thing to square one

[feral river]

China is a highly centralized state focusing on unity in terms of culture, history, tradition, and system

If there’s any division, there will be no China anymore

Even based on ethnicity, we have a term of Zhonghuaminzu to comprise every nationals who live in China as sharing a common ethnicity identity

[thorny steeple]

Yeah into a million pieces chess board style

[feral river]

We don’t call each other, Han or Mongols or something but Chinese

That’s the source of unity power of the state of China

That’s irrelevant to socialism or communism, but it was contradicting the system of democracy

[feral river]

That won’t happen because we all know that fact

[thorny steeple]

Indeed not Qing either

[feral river]

Even we taught history by that version

[thorny steeple]

Yeah https://youtu.be/UPcuPwLifE0?si=SETUyNmfTd-mHvwZ

[rose eagle]

In my country there are still some uneducated people who keep screaming that Vietnam is an undemocratic country, Vietnam must have multi-party system like the West blah blah blah

[soft glacier]

Whats the subject rn

[manic juniper]

Myanmar is too diverse to have one party representing all people

[feral river]

Internal security job was not doing good in your country

If somebody says that in China, they will be swiftly removed

That’s a crime against the state

[thorny steeple]

Yeah multi party rule aka it needs parliamentary democracy not the american style one

[rose eagle]

Vietnam is similar

[manic juniper]

I thought USA had the same system at least when it comes to representation

[rose eagle]

And now most of those guys are like clowns in the eyes of my people.

[rose eagle]

In my country they are all called reactionaries.

[thorny steeple]

It has a two party system since the end of the civil war

[soft glacier]

Lmao

[rose eagle]

Hmm?

[manic juniper]

I mean not necessarily about parties but parliamentary representation

[rose eagle]

why do you say that

[manic juniper]

Aren't there both republicans and democrats in the parliament?

[soft glacier]

I just found the idea of a revisionist government accusing people of being reactionary

[thorny steeple]

Yeah we have learned from the Weimar Republic

[soft glacier]

That's all

[feral river]

Cuz that doesn’t exist in my country

[rose eagle]

because in your country security is really strict

[thorny steeple]

Congress is the national parliament

[urban swift]

Some concrete reasons ?

[thorny steeple]

In the United States, the Congress is the national parliament – that is, the American version of Folketinget in Denmark. The Congress functions as the legislative branch of the U.S. government. The President functions as the executive branch, and the courts (The Supreme Court), in turn, function as the judicial branch.

[rose eagle]

on tiktok in our country there are many posts and videos against my country, defaming my country's leader and the strange thing is that tiktok censors don't care about those offensive posts

so in my country there are some rumors about china's evil intentions towards my country's youth through this app

[rose eagle]

content that insults my country on there is like given priority

[feral river]

Appreciate that every second

[urban swift]

You can see what happened in USA, the brain rot is so real. Democracy loves controversies and tiktok reels fuel them.

[rose eagle]

Wdym?

[rose eagle]

Yea

[urban swift]

The person is grateful for having strict security and suppressing some civilian voices if it causes disturbance in government.

My 2 cents

[thorny steeple]

Hi guys

[rose eagle]

but at least it's really safe here

and if that dictator is a good person and he is still living well in his country then ok

[urban swift]

I don't call it dictatorship,
In earlier period(prior to western colonization), it always used to be like that. A single wise person leading a whole village with companions, no?

It has always been like that imo. And they make the best suitable decisions for their people

But making people worship you, is problematic

And having your pictures put up in their homes is crazy lol

Ex:, Iran and North korea

I can't fathom why would one hang a picture of their politician or leader inside home

[thorny steeple]

[urban swift]

@rose eagle
Assuming you're a Vietnamese given that flag.
Can we talk about colonization of Vietnam by France for almost a century?
What's the general public sentiment towards it ?

[rose eagle]

Hmmm

[rose eagle]

Vietnamese people hang pictures of Ho Chi Minh in their homes and classrooms.
In Vietnam there is a law that if anyone defames or insults a leader or national hero, they will be punished.
Fact: There was once a white English teacher in Vietnam who was boycotted in the media for insulting General Vo Nguyen Giap, a great man in my country

The words "President Ho Chi Minh lives forever in our cause"

[rose eagle]

I thought that was normal, because you live in a democracy so you find it strange.

[weary latch]

Howdy Boys

[urban swift]

National Hero/freedom fighters is/are slightly different. I was referring to politicians.

[urban swift]

Well yeah, people are simp for the person in power so it eventually turns into worshipping them lol

What about colonization? Aren't you comfortable discussing it ?

It's fine if not.

[rose eagle]

I don't know anymore

[rose eagle]

oh so that's it

Is it true that in Iran people worship their country's leader???

[rose eagle]

.

[formal pilot]

[thorny steeple]

You and your tea

[urban swift]

It was a metaphor.

[urban swift]

Yep, national heroes and freedom fighters have earned their due respect.

[verbal torrent]

[thorny steeple]

Zehrwa

[verbal torrent]

Zohnny

[thorny steeple]

How're you

[feral river]

I got stalin and mao in my home

[lime cobalt]

what interesting topic lately ?

[feral river]

Because they are great ? Or for some reason like some people like to hang on some napoleon picture in their home

It’s just normal tbh

[lime cobalt]

what about germany hang on hitler picture ?

[urban swift]

I find celebrity/politician worshipping wierd

[urban swift]

Normal?

We surely have different normals and it's ok

[slender coral]

Yes. I don't think it would be good tho, the writer of the story is known for preachy story writing that just delivers his messages in a very direct way to the audience. It's something that Egyptian drama fall for commonly.

[slender coral]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Harkan

[verbal torrent]

fine wbu

[prisma cipher]

Лиза

[verbal torrent]

Died

[prisma cipher]

🙏

[prisma cipher]

What's up

[verbal torrent]

Now bad bcz u reminded me liza

[prisma cipher]

[rose eagle]

yea

@feral river

[hexed mauve]

Is there a server where ppl post the chores they've done, and talk about tasks n motivate each other?

[formal pilot]

@manic juniper we have this kind of chamelon

[feral river]

That’s your freedom

[thorny steeple]

Well i have seen some people do this, in some countries

[manic juniper]

It looks like an agama

[tough radish]

exciting

are you discussing smth?

[rugged grove]

[waxen shale]

Why should i care about Egypt?

Here Listen to this atheist song instead
https://youtu.be/K3JGxj2rvAs?si=G9iodrsoA7MHd-Ih

[slender coral]

Lol
Don't care buddy, that won't change that Muslim countries are of the most oppressive in the world.

[waxen shale]

Is Egypt secular ?

[slender coral]

It isn't. Islam is the religion of the state.

That's written in the constitution and that's what you see with how a non Muslim Egyptian citizen isn't equal to a Muslim citizen in the eyes of the law.

[formal pilot]

It might be a garden lizard

[formal pilot]

Not at the moment, apparently we love reptiles

[lethal sparrow]

https://i.ibb.co/9qS5wLJ/voterepelon.jpg

[waxen shale]

Its not even an islamic state

[sullen mango]

Me when

[waxen shale]

Or listen to this instead if you were muslim.
https://youtu.be/1OMD_LSELAM?si=RGj2JrSZQbWCabsY

[formal pilot]

💀

[sullen mango]

[manic juniper]

No thanks

[manic juniper]

Perhaps some species of Laudakia idk

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudakia

Agamids are the iguanas of the Old World

[waxen shale]

I like both of it, weirdly enough.

[manic juniper]

Isn't music haram

[waxen shale]

Depends on what country you live in

[manic juniper]

Doesn't sound very objective

[waxen shale]

Ughh thats Sting. I give you that

But what kinda music are we talking about?

The one who promotes lesbianism? Nah...

[manic juniper]

There is no such thing

[weary latch]

Best music ever

[manic juniper]

I wish it was real

[weary latch]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-whos-sus-not-me-gif-7283757931826139493

[formal pilot]

It's female calotes versicolor

[waxen shale]

You like "i follow rivers"?

[manic juniper]

These are some of the most generic

They climb on trees and do stuff

[formal pilot]

Yeah they're everywhere here

[feral river]

can they survive in mars

I wonder if it's possible to bring some creature from the earth to mars and let them grow to a certain extent amount of them, then even if most of them will die under extreme conditions on mars, but some will survive and finally evlove.

[weary latch]

No?

[weary latch]

I think I got some crazy unreleased ones 😭😭

[potent ice]

guys im looking for a native English speaker for emergency if somebody can help please !

[manic juniper]

Not at the moment

[weary latch]

@manic juniper

😭

[thorny steeple]

?

[slender coral]

?

[weary latch]

?

Just Realized

[thorny steeple]

All people should have equal rights shouldnt? May be yes

Why Egypt dont give equal rights?

[slender coral]

Because it's a Muslim country, and for Islam not all people are equal.

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[thorny steeple]

I want to know more

[weary latch]

Lol

Defo should be some drunk guy

[thorny steeple]

How Islam dont treat them Equal can you please explain it more

Prove it with Quran and Hadith
the people who dont believe in Quran and Hadith are treated bad how?

[scarlet hornet]

hello guys!

[manic juniper]

Ciao

[thorny steeple]

@slender coral #🧠｜serious-chat message

[hollow spear]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

sup

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dihuyzE1bYg

[manic juniper]

Doesn't CRT refer to the old TV technology

[crude widget]

Yes, but also, critical race theory

I don't think they are interested in cathode ray tubes

[manic juniper]

Oh I genuinely forgot about that

[formal pilot]

cathode ray tube? I remember blasting some

[manic juniper]

Republicans against the CRT filter on emulators would've been a crime against humanity

[formal pilot]

I'm sorry I didn't read it

💀

I should get some sleep

[lime cobalt]

The singer has a scandal of stealing someone else's husband.

not so islamic, that's why her popularity declined.

[tight carbon]

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[hollow spear]

Nothing special, how about you ?

[thorny steeple]

My passport got water damaged i have to replace it before traveling

Fucking annoying

[prime ore]

I’m an Egyptian
But what do u even mean with not equal rights?

[marsh kestrel]

oh yo

[hollow spear]

dayyymm looks like u are having a bad day

[thorny steeple]

do muslims support gays ?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah it’s normal to me

[thorny steeple]

Do muslims never try alcohol drinks ?

[thorny steeple]

I remember that most of religions view homosexuality as a sin , nah even in islam tho

[thorny steeple]

ohh ic

[shy summit]

Accepting is up to the individual but on here everyone is due respect and validation in areas of protected class

[thorny steeple]

some say theirs right discriminatory

[void arch]

it's Haram .

[prime ore]

Ok maybe but it’s not that bad like Egypt is better than many countries in the Middle East

[prime ore]

No it’s haram and actually they even are not supported by the law in Muslim countries

[thorny steeple]

Thanks i get it now.

[void arch]

do Christianity support homosexuality?

[thorny steeple]

O knowledge abt that

[void arch]

Most of religions especially Abrahamic religions do not support immorality like homosexuality

[thorny steeple]

Oh got it.

But why

[thorny steeple]

conservative christians dont

[thorny steeple]

is alchohol banned?

[void arch]

bcz God is the objective source of morality

[thorny steeple]

you support it?

[void arch]

im talking about the religion and not what ppl believe.

[old phoenix]

As an expat,John often struggled to understand cultural difference , but when Sarah explained them,she really hit the nail on the head.

[thorny steeple]

I dont think so

[void arch]

what do you think about morality?

it is subjective?

[prime ore]

And for that ,no it’s haram like the vast majority of the Islamic people never tried it in their lives but there’s a minority that is not religious and tend to imitate the west they drink alcoholic drinks and do some other haram things under the banner of openess and freedom

[thorny steeple]

Morality is defined by God

We cannot define Morality

[void arch]

it same what i said earlier/

[void arch]

.

[thorny steeple]

where are you from?

[void arch]

Morocco.

[thorny steeple]

🎀

do you support it @thorny steeple

[dense agate]

is something good because God says so or because it's inherently good ?

[thorny steeple]

are you athiest?

[dense agate]

I'm a hardcore Muslim

[thorny steeple]

why hardcore?

[void arch]

First of all we have to establish the believe of God existence otherwise my answer would be waste of time .

[verbal torrent]

Fantasy

[dense agate]

part of the 99th percentile of muslims

[thorny steeple]

what sort?

[dense agate]

if it's God's morality is objective, then that would be true regardless if there is a belief in god, hence why we say "objective"

[verbal torrent]

Idk im not part of it

[thorny steeple]

99th percent of muslims seriously?