🧠｜serious-chat

[mystic bay]

not to mention daffodils

[formal pilot]

Basic frameworks which were provided by the source of morality, it can be religion or parents or anything will prevent you from doing atrocities, saying we don't do bad things because we're afraid of laws is oversimplification of our humane behaviour 💀

I'm just a bad person then

[manic juniper]

It isn't what I said, just that some individuals are ready to drop everything and do bad once the first opportunity arises

[urban swift]

I'm familiar with the word beastiality too. theriophillia is the first time reading it

[mystic bay]

I think I might have made it up

I'm just saying that it makes more sense

[plucky crystal]

anyone IELTS on 13th February? wanna practice speaking? lemme know

[urban swift]

How many wives do you beat weekly

[manic juniper]

I don't think that behaving politely should be taught as a good deed in order to get a reward in the future, it must come from yourself

[formal pilot]

Yeah exceptions are everywhere in the natural world, some people with the source of natural morality can also commit atrocities

It's not absolute

[urban swift]

Socio structure creates unspoken laws too

[urban swift]

💯

[formal pilot]

Non as of now, How many have you got?

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/fsm-spaghetti-monster-gif-332960732349610778

[lime cobalt]

how do u know its good or no ? without anyone telling u

[manic juniper]

Yes, which is why I think it's better. If it comes from themselves and a combination of various sources instead of few identifiable factors then it's less likely to create a culture around toxicity and falsehoods

[urban swift]

How many should one* get ?

[shy summit]

Harmscales

[formal pilot]

Zero tbh, get a husband instead

[manic juniper]

I don't, I just do what I think is good and what my life taught me

[urban swift]

I changed the question, try again

[formal pilot]

You wrecked my joke ffs

[urban swift]

I would better* die imaginary-lesbian then

[lime cobalt]

I met a rude person, but they had no idea they were rude at all. we need standard

[urban swift]

Here we go, continue

[manic juniper]

If someone behaves badly because they have been mistreated or abused, rather than, let's say, a militaristic fascist culture, that's much better

[formal pilot]

You need a catalyst at the initial stage to go forward in the right direction, otherwise what will you do if urge to commit atrocities comes from inside

[urban swift]

It's like bribing for good/natural deed.

I won't beat my little sister if parents give me stuff

I won't hurt you if I get rewarded with heaven

[manic juniper]

That's where politeness comes into play, your parents and community must do a good job, it shouldn't have a weak basis or source

[formal pilot]

If you grew up in a toxic environment, chances of you becoming a toxic person is unfathomably higher

[manic juniper]

It reminds me of people that have to read a book in order to take care of their house

[urban swift]

I won't attack/plot against my neighbouring country if they let me steal their land/natural resources

[manic juniper]

Which is why those are more dangerous than anything else

[formal pilot]

So yeah religion can be that community to provide basic frameworks

I get what you're saying

[manic juniper]

Only if it teaches you that behaving well makes everyone happier and get along better, not if it's a threat to your life (or what comes next)

What happens once you remove the source itself, religion?

[formal pilot]

Religion provided me basic frameworks for morality, I'm not religious anymore

[manic juniper]

If you remove the community it's fine, you will find another similar one of your liking. But if the source of your goodness is almost completely external then you risk dropping it at any moment

[formal pilot]

I'm still a good human

[lime cobalt]

Religion is too dogmatic, I don't like it.

[formal pilot]

Plus 1

[manic juniper]

Because you went through personal growth and made those teachings personal, compare this to the many people that leave it and become junkies, alcohol addicted idiots or worse

[shy summit]

😉

😛

[formal pilot]

Nale stop moving wild or I'll vote for Trump in next term

[manic juniper]

Heck plenty of religious people are junkies or alcohol addicts because they don't think their religion truly affects their lives to that extent

[shy summit]

He can’t have another term

22nd amendment

[urban swift]

So he has upgraded to a kryptonite now heh!

[manic juniper]

Mecha-Trump

[urban swift]

Baron trump ?

[manic juniper]

Yet

[formal pilot]

I get what you're saying
It's better to be a good person without some religious reward system.

My point is good is good

[formal pilot]

He'll change it, inshallah

[manic juniper]

Yes, or any threat for that matter

It's why I like rehabilitation most of the times

[formal pilot]

[lime cobalt]

We define good through reason, not revelation.

[shy summit]

He doesn’t qualify

[manic juniper]

I just define it through taxonomy

Anything under Sauropsida is good

[shy summit]

He can’t you need 2/3rds if the states to agree more than half don’t

[lime cobalt]

stop it

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/dreadnoughtus-long-neck-long-neck-dinosaur-brachiosaurus-prehistoric-planet-gif-25448017

[formal pilot]

Since I don't believe in free will i think we need a framework to define good through reason

[urban swift]

I like komodo dragon though 🥺

[manic juniper]

It's one of them

[urban swift]

Yayyyy! 🥳

https://tenor.com/view/komodo-wild-animals-biawak-monitor-lizard-lizard-gif-11027716

Fascinating

[manic juniper]

It should be renamed the Oceanian dragon

And reintroduced to Australia

[urban swift]

Doesn't sound badass

[manic juniper]

Ocean dragon 🤔

[urban swift]

Oh sure but will it survive

[urban swift]

Still no

[thorny steeple]

the king of the lizards, in Indonesia

[urban swift]

Add D R A G O N

[manic juniper]

It used to

Now that there are plenty of invasive animals in Australia it will be even easier to survive

[urban swift]

https://tenor.com/view/komodo-komodo-dragon-eating-swallowing-monitor-lizard-gif-18053664

[manic juniper]

They will destroy goats, pigs and others

[manic juniper]

One of my favourite videos I've seen has a Komodo dragon that rips open the womb of a deer to swallow the almost fully formed fetus whole

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/優秀-gif-26868025

[urban swift]

Isn't australian fauna a bit scattered ?
Given komodo dragon's speed will it work?

It would be amazing if they get new land to prosper

[manic juniper]

Is this the kind of abortion that Trump claims democrats practice?

[urban swift]

https://tenor.com/view/ripped-off-muscle-macho-body-gif-16227729

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-ben-shapiro-ben-shapiro-social-credit-gif-6133430005061019

[formal pilot]

There's a page on Instagram, they break legs of the goat and put it in front of komodo dragons

[manic juniper]

They need to ambush them just as they ambush the water buffalos, they are much faster and stronger than the monitor lizard. However getting poisoned is a death sentence for anyone

[thorny steeple]

I like how his green hat

[manic juniper]

I saw an evil video of someone chaining a monkey in front of one

[urban swift]

I once saw a pelican video. It gulped down a whole full grown hare 💀 those bigger ones in the wild

[lime cobalt]

free will is paradox, If it exists, then God does not exist but we not sure there is no god , if free will does not exist, then God exists—but we cannot prove that God exists. - determinism

[manic juniper]

I wonder how Komodo dragons would fare against the Australian feral camels

[formal pilot]

I'd pay to watch Komodo vs baboon

[formal pilot]

Most likely it doesn't exist, best argument for it's existence is at atomic level

Because quantum physics doesn't make sense yet

[urban swift]

They're good hunter for sure no wonder they've survived so far. The venom and bacteria do the rest of the job.

How many invasive species been introduced in australia btw?
Was it hares that breeded extensively or wild boar

[mystic bay]

[urban swift]

Happens a lot I bet

[shy summit]

🏳️‍🌈

[mystic bay]

What

[manic juniper]

Too many to count, pretty much every species of farm animal, foxes, stoats, black rats and brown rats, various insects

[urban swift]

God knows better akhii

[manic juniper]

And camels as well

The cane toad is one of the most notable ones

Dogs and cats too if you don't count them as farm animals

[mystic bay]

I have a cat

[manic juniper]

Nice

[lime cobalt]

which god ?

[mystic bay]

thanks

[urban swift]

My goodness. I wonder how many went extinct or due extinction because of all these invasive species

[formal pilot]

I'd love to get Asian arowana

[thorny steeple]

i‘m back, do you like my new profile picture? it symbolizes peace towards the armenian folk ☮️

[manic juniper]

Technically they introduced Tasmanian devils as invasive species, but they used to live on the Australian mainland few thousands of years ago, same as Komodo dragons. This is why I want them to be reintroduced as well

[lime cobalt]

that fish, why ?

[mystic bay]

silly hat but otherwise good

[thorny steeple]

thank you shawty

[urban swift]

https://tenor.com/view/eminem-rapgod-supersonic-gif-7225174

[manic juniper]

A lot but not as many as one would expect, most of the damage was done by Europeans after they interrupted firestick farming by the natives, and if you go back in time a lot of damage was done by the natives themselves through firestick farming

[mystic bay]

That's not my name

[urban swift]

The chemistry ⚗️

[formal pilot]

They look majestic some of them are quite rare

[manic juniper]

The modern Australian fauna seems to be at least partially dependent on firestick farming for survival, either a recent adaptation or the extinct megafauna used to have similar effects to it that limited the damage of wildfires

[urban swift]

Tsmanian tiger are extinct no?

[manic juniper]

Nowadays it's invasive species that cause most of the damage

[manic juniper]

Yes

https://tenor.com/view/thylacine-tasmanian-tiger-tasmanian-tiger-color-gif-24516611

[thorny steeple]

whats your name then

[mystic bay]

Dr. Shawty

[urban swift]

I gotta check first what's fire stick farming.
Is it where they burn remaining plantation after harvesting ?

[manic juniper]

It's like causing a controlled wildfire to free farmland

It's different from industrial farming or even just farming as practiced in most of Europe and Asia

[urban swift]

It's sad. I feel sad whenever I learn about how much* destructive humans can be/really are

[lime cobalt]

Psychological Exoticism – You find things that don’t exist in your place interesting, while people there see them as ordinary.

[formal pilot]

It's the quickest way apparently

[urban swift]

I bet many asian countries still practice it

[mystic bay]

you don't need the much

[manic juniper]

It's typical of Australia, at most some Oceanian people do as well because they are related just as the dingo is related to the Papuan singing dog

[urban swift]

Do I need many ?

[mystic bay]

no

[thorny steeple]

where‘s your practice, need to visit you i have severe pain in a certain area

[mystic bay]

just delete

[mystic bay]

I'm not that kind of doctor

I'm the useless kind

[urban swift]

Delete who? Myself? 😭

Instructions unclear

[lime cobalt]

its cute

[mystic bay]

send that to a random person with the caption "I am inside your house"

[manic juniper]

To my knowledge it's Central Asia that had a different farming from the rest of Asia

But even there the practice stopped outside of Mongolia

[thorny steeple]

u will be useful for me i guess

[mystic bay]

. . . ?

What does that mean

[urban swift]

Wtf 💀
Didn't expect this in a serious chat 😂

[urban swift]

New delhi's AQI shoots up because of farm burning in those months.

From pakistan

And several indian states

[manic juniper]

Yes but that's different, happens even in Canada or Spain, firestick farming is environmental engineering and controlled

[vestal talon]

hello sis

[mystic bay]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

she wants me bro

[urban swift]

It's that sick moustache

You should have grown it earlier

[mystic bay]

ew

[thorny steeple]

i know u like me

[urban swift]

Here we're back to square one pffft!

[mystic bay]

I don't know you

I only know you are Turkish and aggressive

[urban swift]

You're a female and breathing I think that's enough for him

[manic juniper]

Why did you say the same thing twice

[mystic bay]

Forgive me father for I have tautologised

[lime cobalt]

i dont see anything

[spring comet]

This is sad story 👀

[mystic bay]

it went from really busy to really quiet

[thorny steeple]

no i‘m not aggressive lil girl

[thorny steeple]

lmao

[mystic bay]

Ok

you're just rude then

[dapper laurel]

"Kurds and armenians deserved that"

[thorny steeple]

i‘m not talking to you

[thorny steeple]

khojaly massacre —— read something about that first

you also joked about turks who got raped so you r not a polite guy either , maybe even a racist

[dapper laurel]

I said "metaphorically"

Do you know what it means?

[mystic bay]

No

[thorny steeple]

you should defend me Dr. Shawty

[mystic bay]

Go and hump someone else's leg

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-angry-punho-fechado-de-gif-26104429

Does anyone have books for the IEO Olympiad

[desert brook]

a question, you get to understand that: chaves packed you stuffand he went through

[mystic bay]

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and died

[feral river]

if he live for a thousand year we will have a chance to unify the entire planet

At that time there’s only one country in this planet

Then unify currencies, standards, languages everything

Do as what Qingshihuang have done to China

[restive zodiac]

the caliphate is coming

bringing peace and justice to the world

[mystic bay]

Threatening

[restive zodiac]

Promise

we shall bring peace

[thorny steeple]

In reality Humans never achieve the world peace

[restive zodiac]

when there is Justice there will be peace

Justice and equity

[mystic bay]

By force if necessary

[restive zodiac]

absolutely, Humans do only understand that language . we shall speak it if necessary.

[mystic bay]

Bring peace by force

Because that always goes so well

You are a thug and nothing more

If you try to bring me peace you will encounter a good dose of peace coming at your boy parts in the form of a harpoon

[restive zodiac]

well , we use force against Transgressors and deserved ones , bcz Justice and Goodness imply that ..

[mystic bay]

Oh, I'm sure it's always deserved

They definitely all had it coming

[restive zodiac]

who?

[mystic bay]

Everyone

[restive zodiac]

we do use force only against fighters and transgressors .

we shall not bear innocents what they dont deserve

Principles without force and protection are weak and under collapse anytime

[mystic bay]

Transgressors being . . . ?

[thorny steeple]

Hy guys

[terse hatch]

lol

[thorny steeple]

she wants me bro

koreans are obsessed with turks like me

🇹🇷🇰🇷

[prisma cipher]

I want to learn poetry in English, do you have any recommendations?

[thorny steeple]

go ask the people in the chat where most of the minors are

we talk about +18 stuff here

[prisma cipher]

No you don't

[mystic bay]

[restive zodiac]

Shakespeare

read his work

[prisma cipher]

Not lame poetry

[restive zodiac]

read the "Prophet" of khalil jabran very good peace of art

[shy summit]

What is a “Transgressor”

[prisma cipher]

I like some Korean movies. But those actors playing so extra

[mystic bay]

I don't like movies

[prisma cipher]

Hey recommend something, it might be classic but not Shekspier

[thorny steeple]

Why?

[mystic bay]

Because

I find it too passive

You are just sitting there and letting something happen to you

It does not feel like an activity

And I find that extremely boring

[prisma cipher]

+18 theme

[mystic bay]

What

[prisma cipher]

Jk

You prefer games I guess?

[mystic bay]

Yes

I enjoy video games and some board games

I used to be part of a Scrabble club

[prisma cipher]

Sounds super boring

[mystic bay]

So watch a movie

[prisma cipher]

I playing Mario

[restive zodiac]

chess is the best

[mystic bay]

I prefer go

[prisma cipher]

Chess also boring, I understand it smart game but it just not interesting

[restive zodiac]

im almost 800 at chess.com but i beat 1400 computer chess

[restive zodiac]

if u try it u ll like it

[prisma cipher]

I try it I can play chess, just not intonit

Not my game

[thorny steeple]

zelda is the best game amongst switch games

[mystic bay]

I like Triangle Strategy

[prisma cipher]

Switch have a lot Zelda's, but you mean new ones I guess. Yea good game. Best open world IMO.

[thorny steeple]

yea tears of the kingdom is pretty good but nothing can surpass the feeling when I played zelda for the first time

felt magical somehow

zelda breath of the wild

[mystic bay]

I don't like Zelda

I never warmed to it

[restive zodiac]

'Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely Allah loves not the transgressors' (2:191).
the Quran justifies wars for self-defense to protect Islamic communities against internal or external aggression by non-Islamic populations, and wars waged against those who 'violate their oaths' by breaking a treaty

[mystic bay]

So only for defensive purposes, against the violent?

[prisma cipher]

Yes I can only agree, I just can add those two last Zelda's they kinda similar in good way, the same setting. Because old Zelda's feels way different, but they are super cool too. Just in different way

[thorny steeple]

yea

but in the past the arabs forced other people to change their religion

that‘s why islam is one of the major religions today

[mystic bay]

So not for adulterers, apostates, disrespecters of the prophet (pbuh), etc.?

[restive zodiac]

also articulated justifications for what could be considered offensive jihad. war could be waged against those who:

Obstruct the propagation of Islam.
Oppress Muslims or prevent them from practicing their faith freely.
Violate treaties or agreements.

Ibn Taymiyyah (a well known islamic scolar) stressed the importance of righteous intentions in warfare. He argued that jihad should be waged for the sake of God, not for worldly gain or personal ambition. He also emphasized the need to consider the context of war, including the potential consequences and the balance of power.

[restive zodiac]

which time ? it s matter of rice now not islam?

[thorny steeple]

I would say the recent one has much more details but idk about the graphics, maybe it‘s kinda the same but slightly better

[mystic bay]

What about the examples I gave?

And I'm not just talking about jihad here. Just violence in general.

[restive zodiac]

we have laws against them but under islamic law and in an islamic country ,not in a foreign country

[mystic bay]

And do you support that?

[thorny steeple]

during the arab conquest of iran

[restive zodiac]

absolutely. where is the problem?

[mystic bay]

Right, so my comment stands

[restive zodiac]

which one?

[restive zodiac]

not all sorts violence are bad

[mystic bay]

I agree. Violence has an important role in repelling thugs.

Just not in promoting virtue.

[thorny steeple]

i dont know it that well

are you an arab?

[restive zodiac]

if ur just hearing dont claim such thing.. u have to know that if they did that its condemned ,and islam doesn't allow compulsion in religion.

[restive zodiac]

respectfully, if u have a rational objection for making such laws against those groups enlighten us.

[thorny steeple]

i know it that the arabs forced other people brother, i didn‘t witness it because i wasn‘t born at that time were these things occured but I have read it on a lot of history pages

i am also a muslim chill

[mystic bay]

Respectfully, I am not sure that I do. If you were to resort to violence in order to promote virtue, then the state would punish you for it. The state exists by maintaining a monopoly on force. You and I get punished by the state for acting in ways that the state itself acts. So I rather think that it is for you to account for why the state should have the privilege of using force in ways that it denies the rest of us.

[thorny steeple]

go shorty goo

[restive zodiac]

ur generalizing it to everyone. not everyone commit adultery ,not everyone rape others, those laws are made to deter these types of ppl and they are done under very specific and restricted way. its applicated by the State and not individuals...
there's no monopoly of power or justice system, in Islam whoever leader didn't govern with Allah commands shall be taken from power .. in addition Islamic government should be based on -الشورى- or Shura "Asking for the opinion of someone who is qualified for it, or it is a survey of the opinion of the nation or of its representative in public matters related to it. In this context, it can then be defined as a collective intellectual effort that aims to adopt a common position regarding a political, social, economic or other issue that has not been addressed explicitly or implicitly in the Holy Qur’an. Accordingly, it has been taken"
so it s not like dictatorship political system u may perceive.

[restive zodiac]

u have to show us evidence.. and who is gonna give validation to ur history book

[lime cobalt]

Law through revelation is absolute, oh we need amendment

[mystic bay]

I don't think you understood what I was saying. I never claimed that everyone commits adultery, and I am not sure where you got that.

The state is just a composite of individual persons. It's not a macro-organism which acts of its own impetus. It is composed of individual politicians, individual police officers, individual judges . . . There is nothing emergent here. If you really don't think that the state holds a monopoly on force, then you should try levying your own taxes, raising your own army, enforcing your own laws, etc. You cannot do these things, but the agents of the state can. Monopoly is not just a feature of dictatorships; it is a feature of all political states.

Appealing to a 'common position' is just a good old 'No True Scotsman' fallacy. You can't appeal to shared values as a justification for punishing people who (for example) burn the Quran, since these are obviously not their values. So you must treat them as though they don't count.

[restive zodiac]

I don't think you understood what I was saying. I never claimed that everyone commits adultery, and I am not sure where you got that.
I have said that as i perceive that u thought that these laws are oppressing all of social composition, while it meant for establishing justice and deter of those types of individuals.
The state is just a composite of individual persons. It's not a macro-organism which acts of its own impetus. It is composed of individual politicians, individual police officers, individual judges . . . There is nothing emergent here. If you really don't think that the state holds a monopoly on force, then you should try levying your own taxes, raising your own army, enforcing your own laws, etc. You cannot do these things, but the agents of the state can. Monopoly is not just a feature of dictatorships; it is a feature of all political states.
U didnt get wht i meant by "laws are applicated by the state" : what i meant is that those laws are not done arbitrary ,anarchic and lawlessness way .but in a Just ,restricted and well proofed way.
and lastly I'm not against the state being the carrier and applicator of laws and order , its necessary and consequently.
Appealing to a 'common position' is just a good old 'No True Scotsman' fallacy. You can't appeal to shared values as a justification for punishing people who (for example) burn the Quran, since these are obviously not their values. So you must treat them as though they don't count.

I dont have to appeal to anything , since these things comes from objective source, but for the sake of argument what the problem in making laws against those certain indvs? .u made an exception for it which someone burn the Quraan , well here we cant applicate same laws against that but I would say its Hate Crime: If the act of burning the flag is combined with other actions or words that are deemed to be hateful or discriminatory towards a particular group of people, it could be investigated as a hate crime. If the act of burning the flag is done in a way that is threatening, abusive, or likely to cause harassment, alarm, or distress to others, it could be a public order offense. This means that if the police believe your actions are likely to incite violence or disorder, they could intervene. so why not ?

[mystic bay]

There is nothing violent about burning a Quran.

If you think that such activities should be met with violence, then you are the thug

[restive zodiac]

i wouldn't say violence Acts but some restrictions and sanctions, im not brutal

tho

[mystic bay]

You really have not addressed my challenge. You have simply asserted that the state uses force in ways that 'objective' and 'just'. But the fact remains: the state reserves for itself the prerogative to use force which it denies to you and me. You have not presented any justification for this.

[mystic bay]

Restrictions backed by force

That is how the state works

It's what a state is

Let's not pussyfoot about it

[restive zodiac]

force if Necessary not from the beginning

[mystic bay]

Right, I didn't say 'from the beginning'

But it is always a background threat

[restive zodiac]

this is how things work

[mystic bay]

I'm aware

That's not an argument

[restive zodiac]

why is that problematic , would u like to erase something called state , and everyone does what he wills

[mystic bay]

Well, I am not a statist

I'm not sure what you mean by 'everyone does what he wills'

[restive zodiac]

ur calling disorder and chaos ,u should be aware of that

[mystic bay]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention

No one has ever told me that before

[restive zodiac]

im just saying

but what s ur solution for that

then?

seems impossible, more of a dream where everything is pink and everyone is smiling and dancing right?

hahah

nice discussion with you

[mystic bay]

I simply do not grant your assumption

I don't agree that political order stands or falls with a small subset of the populace holding a compulsory monopoly on force

[lime cobalt]

Why do you connect religion and the state? Not all religions are exclusively tied to governance. Religion cannot enforce punishments on its own, it must go through the state.

[restive zodiac]

me either i just told u about Shura and the importance of collective intellectual efforts, society works collectively and with corporations.

[ashen mortar]

[mystic bay]

That is just what we are talking about. It is @restive zodiac who brought us onto the subject of Islamic law.

[mystic bay]

But that has nothing to do with the state.

[restive zodiac]

u r saying :small subset of the populace holding a compulsory monopoly on force.

im respoding to this

[mystic bay]

By definition, this 'collective' does not share values if you are talking about punishing members of the collective who evidently do not share those values.

If someone in the collective is a critic of Islam and chooses to burn a Quran, then clearly she does not share your values. So in what sense are they values of the collective?

[restive zodiac]

u r making exceptions as the rules , than why we should punish killers , they dont share same values of us?

[mystic bay]

Because the killers are the violent ones

You cannot have political order of any kind if we are free to go around killing whimsically

[restive zodiac]

and what the one promoting hate speech and triggering social disorder

[mystic bay]

What does that have to do with burning a Quran?

What is 'hate speech'?

[restive zodiac]

read this one

[mystic bay]

I have read everything you have said

it doesn't change the fact that speech is not violence

(not that burning a Quran is either)

[restive zodiac]

are u sure?

[mystic bay]

Positive 👍

[restive zodiac]

are they not offending others in any way

[mystic bay]

Of course it's offensive

That is when being an adult kicks in

[restive zodiac]

so why not facing offensive act with offensive laws

huh

[mystic bay]

Because the offensive act is not violent, whereas the law that punishes them is

Which is why it is thuggery

It's really not so complex

[restive zodiac]

we dont punish them with death u know that?

[mystic bay]

So?

Execution is not the only kind of violence in which political states engage

[restive zodiac]

if they are in an islamic country

they may face same punishement as someone faces when offend others vocally

لكل مقام مقال

[restive zodiac]

jails ,sanctions , repayments

restrictions

[mystic bay]

That means nothing. It's just an arbitrary landmass. All of this presupposes the legitimacy of the state, which has yet to be demonstrated.

[restive zodiac]

ur jumping to another subject .. legitimacy of the state comes by necessity of the nature of humans

[mystic bay]

It's not another subject at all. There is nothing about being in an 'Islamic country' as opposed to anywhere else that excuses the thuggery of using violence against peaceful individuals.

[thorny steeple]

omg r yall still talking about the same stuff

[restive zodiac]

which peaceful indvds that are offending and triggering disorder and promoting hate speech ur talking about? ur being biased here... and which force is being used against those specfic group such as someone burn the Quraan for the previous reasons that i mentioned?.

ur calling for a social concept where everyone does what he wills. without facing punishment for his actions .

[lime cobalt]

Religious law has no meaning if the state is secular, such as laws that are not enforced, if individuals or groups take the law into their own hands, it is considered a crime by the state.

[restive zodiac]

for last line : that to enforce order and justice

imagine society everyone enforce law the way he wills

[mystic bay]

I have been asking you about your position: about whether you endorse the use of force against activities which you find hateful, offensive and distasteful but which are, nonetheless, peaceful. You keep finding new ways to repackage it but it just seems like the answer is yes.

[restive zodiac]

what is peaceful about these offensive action ?

i dont find them peaceful

[mystic bay]

Well, you're wrong

Causing offence is not violence

[restive zodiac]

i dont find someone offending my mom a peaceful person

[mystic bay]

It's not causing physical harm

It's not destroying anyone's property (except one's own)

[restive zodiac]

do u know about other nature of harms?

or i cite some

[mystic bay]

There is this really curious meeting of the minds between Muslim thugs and Western progressives

[restive zodiac]

very limited def of harm

[mystic bay]

It's baffling

[mystic bay]

Yes, I do not count your feelings when I speak of harm

If you want to include hurt feelings, then it is quite a can of worms

[restive zodiac]

harasment is not a crime then?

[mystic bay]

That's too vague

[restive zodiac]

blackmailing is not a crime

[mystic bay]

Well, I have argued for the legalising of blackmail

But that's another matter

[restive zodiac]

ur position is fragile

[last furnace]

Hi there I am new here

[restive zodiac]

u know that

[mystic bay]

Good argument 👍

Utterly compelling

[restive zodiac]

are u sure of that , maybe need more examples

[mystic bay]

I'm not sure what you think you're doing

[restive zodiac]

altho nice talking to u

very respectful conversation so far i had here

[mystic bay]

If you're banking on the fact that I have not dwelled systematically on the full logical consequences of my position, then you will encounter difficulties

[restive zodiac]

which are?

[thorny steeple]

shawty dont care about this guy just slide into my dm‘s we‘ll have better conversations

[mystic bay]

Well, pick a subject. You offered blackmail as an apparent counter-example to my thesis that violence should not be used as a punishment for non-violent acts, and I bit the bullet and accepted that blackmail should be legal. This is something I have argued for years. If you think you have other examples that pose a problem, I'll gladly hear them.

[lime cobalt]

Burning the Quran can be categorized as blasphemy i think

[mystic bay]

I'm sure it is, as is burning the Bible for a Christian

That doesn't make it violent

[restive zodiac]

accepting it doesn't mean u justified it + u are agreeing on something that against an ethical concept of society which u agree with . ur just welcoming the devil to ur home and pretending ur OK

[restive zodiac]

hate speech , triggering social disorder, offending a specfic group.

a list of things u can add

[mystic bay]

I don't accept the assumption that the law of the land should be used to promote virtue. I suspect that you and I are closer on ethics than you think. I am extremely culturally conservative, especially when it comes to matters of sexual ethics. But we disagree on the effectiveness of violence in promoting virtue.

I do not personally condone hate, or its expression, or the causing of offence for its own sake.

but I also do not think that violence is a good antidote

Maybe this is just where Muslims and Christians differ

[lime cobalt]

Okay, in this context, we are talking about state law, not religious law. It is indeed not violence, but it is categorized as blasphemy, and Muslims usually get very angry.

[mystic bay]

That much I can see

[restive zodiac]

I see ,then u do accept that ur previous thesis is fragile...

[mystic bay]

If by 'fragile' you mean false, then of course not

Otherwise I would not take the position I do

[restive zodiac]

violence is that case of burning the Quraan is not capital penalty or something

[restive zodiac]

it as u havent respond to my objection yet

[mystic bay]

What is the objection?

[restive zodiac]

here

ur theses has many fragile points

[mystic bay]

Right. I understood you to be raising blackmail as a counter-example to my position that violence should not be used against peaceful oeople.

My response was to accept that blackmail should not be a crime.

[restive zodiac]

re read then

there is my respond

[mystic bay]

Just tell me what your argument is

[restive zodiac]

ur accepting it without justifying it to be OK as u perceive .. and if u accept it ur then contradicting ur ethical social concept(self contradiction)

saying its not problematic for u is not an enough rational justification

i would also accept facing those crimes with violence and pretend that is not problematic, and then case is closed.

not to mention ur limitation of harm to only physical-material damage

[mystic bay]

I don't need a special justification for believing that blackmail should be legal. It simply follows from my general position about how violence should and should not be used. I have used 'thuggery' to describe the use of violence against people who are not themselves violent. My belief that blackmail should be legal simply follows from my opposition to thuggery. I understood that to be the reason you raised the example of blackmail in first place, since you correctly perceived that it follows from my position.

[restive zodiac]

u didnt actually say something rational here

ur reasoning is flawed

[mystic bay]

Yes, I do not consider hurt feelings to be harm in the relevant sense. If you want to include hurt feelings, then you open up the possibility that someone might be offended by the Quran.

But I'm guessing that wouldn't count

[restive zodiac]

based on exception of the rule , limited def, "shifting the goalposts" fallacy

[mystic bay]

1. Violence should not be used against non-violent people.

2. Blackmailers (qua blackmailers) are non-violent people.

Therefore,

3. Violence should not be used against blackmailers.

There is nothing fallacious about it.

[restive zodiac]

u didnt justified that blackmailing is good

[mystic bay]

It's not good

I never said it was

[restive zodiac]

then why it s allowed

[mystic bay]

Because it's not violent

[restive zodiac]

ur argument is flawed bcz it rely on limited definition

[mystic bay]

Definition of?

[restive zodiac]

u have to rely on the general definition of harm

which is against ur argument

[mystic bay]

You keep telling me what I have to do

[restive zodiac]

im not a kid

[mystic bay]

LOL what

[restive zodiac]

ur logic is flawed

[mystic bay]

No one called you a kid

[restive zodiac]

hear me out

[mystic bay]

There's no need to make things personal

[restive zodiac]

vocal offense is harm therfore its violence

[mystic bay]

It is not

[lime cobalt]

sorry I didn't catch your perspective here, are you progressive miss?

[mystic bay]

What you are talking about is hurt feelings

[mystic bay]

No, I'm not

[restive zodiac]

again ur premises are wrong : rely on limited definition of violence that exclude vocal violence and other types.

[mystic bay]

So you say

Nevertheless, the fact remains that you are talking using force to deal with your hurt feelings instead of processing them like a grown man

[restive zodiac]

any system of Justice will classify Vocal violence to be crime : like harassment and blackmailing

[mystic bay]

Look, I am a Christian. If my neighbour burned a Bible to antagonise me I would be offended. But I would deal with it, because that is part of being an adult in a world of adults, even when other people act less adult than you. It's really not that hard to do.

[restive zodiac]

thats not matter of individual with other individual , it someone triggering and promoting hate speech against a mass population

very different

[mystic bay]

Speech still isn't violence

Even if it expresses hatred

Look, hateful people are already miserable. You and I don't need to do anything else to them.

[restive zodiac]

contradiction

[mystic bay]

There's nothing contradictory about it

[restive zodiac]

if its based on hate than it s violence

very clear

[mystic bay]

No, you're just thin-skinned

[restive zodiac]

contradiction

[restive zodiac]

hhhh

[restive zodiac]

they are triggering social disorder and causing violence activities..

we should both protect him and others

deterring them by such laws is very effective

everyone respect others

or spend some time in jail

[mystic bay]

I really think that this is a point on which Christian ethics is just stronger and fundamentally more adult. You see, we are commanded to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. We are told to turn the other cheek when someone slaps us. Now, doing all of this is extremely difficult. It's probably the hardest thing you can do. It's a very high standard, and most Christians don't meet it. But the fact is that a Christian ethic is an ethic of meekness. The Islamic ethic just seems to be an ethic of fragility and thuggery, at least as you have presented it.

[prisma cipher]

What is not violent people hide terrorist

[mystic bay]

I'm stepping into the shower now

[lime cobalt]

Ahh, if only everyone were like you. But unfortunately, reality is not like that. There are parts of religious communities that are very rigid and sensitive, and they will take legal action, either under blasphemy laws or hate speech laws.

[prisma cipher]

There is a movie about it when they have to torture relatives of terrorist so he can say where is the bomb

But you don't like movies

So you out of this dilema

[restive zodiac]

thats why u see ppl mocking Jesus on the street , we Muslims and dont accept that . the Christian consept of morality is not factual or realistic , it more of a dream and an ideal concept. if someone violate my rights should be prepared for Justice. but let me slap ur cheek and turn me the other one OK.
valuation of our symbols and rights is not something we demand its something should everyone respect ..

if ppl do really respect others do not offend others

altho those laws are applicable in Islamic country

[thorny steeple]

🤤🤤

[restive zodiac]

10:34, where Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." This verse is often

[restive zodiac]

are u really Muslim ?

[compact halo]

Christians behave like thugs sometimes

[thorny steeple]

bro you shouldn‘t question my belief in my religion it‘s also haram

[restive zodiac]

ur behavior and action are haram brother. im not doing takfir to u or something but an advice

[thorny steeple]

i mean everyone makes mistakes in life and no muslim should judge another muslim

[thorny steeple]

yea i know brother i am grateful for that ❤️

[scenic yarrow]

Someone told me islam is mostly based on humanist. Is it true?

[thorny steeple]

idk what a humanist is lmao

[restive zodiac]

this is not a mistake , it was intentioned.

[scenic yarrow]

Humanism"

[thorny steeple]

ye i know but as I said, nobody is perfect, even if it was intentioned it‘s at the end of the day my problem
I mean I cant limit my life even though I was only joking and don‘t care about girls

[restive zodiac]

Just an advice my brother ,no body is perfect but we make effort to seek it .

[thorny steeple]

im a muslim alhamdullilah but I also have bad habits in life which I need to change, but that‘s why we are here right? we make mistakes and learn from it

[restive zodiac]

u can say so if u mean valuation of life and reason , human dignity, social justice, and goodness

depend on ur definition

[scenic yarrow]

Kk

[restive zodiac]

A fundamental difference is the source of authority. Humanism, in its secular form, often places human reason and experience as the ultimate authority. Islam, on the other hand, derives its primary authority from divine revelation (the Quran) and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (the Sunnah)
Most forms of humanism are secular and do not believe in a personal God. Islam is fundamentally theistic, centered on the belief in one God (Allah). This difference has profound implications for ethics, morality, and the meaning of life.

[compact halo]

Is that from chatgpt?

[mystic bay]

This is really revealing. You see, we just look at this completely differently. Apart from the fact that a 'right not to be offended' is highly questionable (not to mention absolutely impossible to universalise), I don't see someone who is blaspheming God as violating my rights. God isn't a blushing maiden. He doesn't need you or me to protect his honour.

Now, you look at this person and see him as someone in need of punishment. He has trespassed on your dignity, and now he's cruising for a bruising. I see him as someone in need of mercy, and that is how Christians are called to regard him. It's not intuitive, and it's not meant to be. But we get what you can't ever have: peace. That's the reward of virtue. I can live with myself and never have to resort to crude thuggery.

You say that it's not realistic, and yet my own life gives the lie to that. If it weren't realistic, then I couldn't possibly live it out. But I do.

[stuck ingot]

Um... Amen. 🙂

[restive zodiac]

if u don't have the spirit to value ur religion sanctities .or even the right to not being violated or promoted to be hated .-this just individual perspective, what would be the case if it was against a whole mass population- what else will be disrespected?. words and certain action have deep sociological impact .
respecting others is not something ppl find it hard to do. -respect to be respected-

Im not wo is gonna establish the law , so im not going to attack whomever violate me vocally, there are laws that are not usually fundamentally violence , we may put sanctions or restrictions or prisoning of a period of time.. and not necessarily death. even using violence i such as beating is not allowed..

If ur really not a hypocrite , tell me what would u do if someone hypothetically harassed u?

very fine I think?

[mystic bay]

Give me a specific example

[restive zodiac]

I think I have to sleep

salam alaykom

[mystic bay]

ironic

[manic juniper]

No

[thorny steeple]

aleyküm selam , have a good night

[vivid needle]

imagine loving bitch ass enver in 2025

[thorny steeple]

are you envious? did your country have any big leaders?

i dont think so

[vivid needle]

enver is not a big leader

[thorny steeple]

we do not have to share the same opinion

[vivid needle]

i noticed

[thorny steeple]

i admire him idc what other people say

but u r right the turks had a lot of idolic leaders

[vivid needle]

admiring his fascist tendencies?

[thorny steeple]

proof?

[vivid needle]

how old are you?

[thorny steeple]

i will get banned if the moderators find out 😢

[vivid needle]

predictable

[thorny steeple]

a non turk tries to convince me about stories the westeners made up — probably something about the „genocide“ right?

[vivid needle]

so you're telling me not a single armenian got harmed?

[thorny steeple]

did I say so?

[vivid needle]

then you accept murdering of armenians

[thorny steeple]

azerbaijanis got also killed, what about their lives? or don‘t you consider them as human beings because they follow a different religion as armenians

khojaly massacre - get knowledge about that first

[vivid needle]

i know about it

that doesn't make anything else right

Azerbaijani village getting raided

[thorny steeple]

it‘s pretty common that a country or an empire acts in a harmful way when a minority wants to separate the country and forms resistance organizations

[vivid needle]

still, doesn't make it right to genocide.

[thorny steeple]

bro wtf do you want

[vivid needle]

lol

enver was a proto-fascist

which led his country into a downwards spiral

[thorny steeple]

there were also genocides on azerbaijanis go and find some armenians

[vivid needle]

I'll say the same thing to them when i find an armenian

[thorny steeple]

and talk to them about the genocides they committed

[vivid needle]

but now you're here

[thorny steeple]

yall r so annoying ngl

[vivid needle]

i didnt even say anything yet

[thorny steeple]

it‘s the same with the kurds nowadays

[vivid needle]

i know where this is going

[thorny steeple]

they also created a terrorist organisation and expect that we give them turkish cities without harming them

they kidnapped and killed innocent turkish citizens

[vivid needle]

it's pkk

[thorny steeple]

„resistance groups“ hell nah yall are terrorists who want to separate a country and it‘s people

[vivid needle]

not all kurds

[thorny steeple]

yea i meant the pkk

[vivid needle]

Im in Istanbul dawg i got nothing to do with them

[thorny steeple]

r u a turk

[vivid needle]

sadly

[thorny steeple]

then u r not a turk

[vivid needle]

yaay

[thorny steeple]

u r funny af bro 👊🏼

[vivid needle]

lemme guess

you support zafer party

[thorny steeple]

i don‘t support any of them

but zafer doesn‘t even seem that bad

[vivid needle]

predictable

[thorny steeple]

what about u

[vivid needle]

racist fascists

chp

[thorny steeple]

okayyy

predictable

u know that when atatürk would be alive he would definitely be ashamed of the recent chp

[vivid needle]

at least im not idealising a murderer

[thorny steeple]

idc you are weird af, you feel sad about being a turk

[vivid needle]

you do racist shit to kurds then complain about it when they rise up against you

[thorny steeple]

i have the feeling that u r only joking

[vivid needle]

what did you expect? They gonna stay quiet and suck it up?

[thorny steeple]

they have equal rights in türkiye dont make up stories lil bro

[vivid needle]

"lil bro"

you cant even say your age

[thorny steeple]

im 21

[vivid needle]

yeah im sure

[thorny steeple]

bruh i dont need to convince u i dont care

but u act like a little child

[thorny steeple]

lmaoo

[vivid needle]

yeah?

[thorny steeple]

just forgot about the great turkish history

[vivid needle]

your soldiers got burned alive, what did your government do? Your people died under rubbles just 2 years ago, where was your government?

[thorny steeple]

no real turk is ashamed of being a turk, not even an american neither north koreans

[vivid needle]

What is the country's justice index?

your economy?

[thorny steeple]

because you grow up in a specific country and adapt to their culture

[vivid needle]

Just a few days ago a lawyer exed himself

you cant even protect your woman and children

[thorny steeple]

these are common things which happen in most countries around the globe

[vivid needle]

is this the mighty Turkish nation?

[thorny steeple]

türk müsün lan türkce konus bakiyim bi

[vivid needle]

puahahahaha

[thorny steeple]

götden uydurmaaq

[vivid needle]

sakin ol dostum

[thorny steeple]

nasil türksün la sen

[vivid needle]

depremde twitteri kim kapatti?

[thorny steeple]

kürd feln misin anlamadim ag

[vivid needle]

askerlerin basina cuval gecirilince kim gotune kuyrugunu kistirdi

[vivid needle]

bahsettiğim irkcilik tam olarak bu

biri bir şey söyleyince hemen kurt olduğunu varsayiyorsunuz

turkum dostum, bayburtluyum. Allahin bayburtunda Kürt mu var

[thorny steeple]

alakasi yok knk

pkkli gibi konusuyon

kürtler ülkede adam gibi yasa sikinti olmaz

elektrik kacakcilik var

cinayet var

[vivid needle]

adamin dilini yasakla, ırkçılık yap, zulum et

sonra adam gibi neden yaşamıyor

kac milyon kurt var ulkede

[thorny steeple]

dilleri yasak degil bal gibi konusuyorlar

[vivid needle]

konusmayi yasaklayamazsin zaten canim dostum

dogu turkistanda bile uygurca yasak degil

nasil yasaklayacan

[thorny steeple]

eeee daha ne olsun kürtce dil dersi mi versinler okuldaamk

[vivid needle]

devlet dairelerinde geçiyor mu?

[vivid needle]

dersi var mi?

[vivid needle]

versinler

ulkede kac kurt var birader

[thorny steeple]

niye versinler peki? almanyada da bir sürü türk var? okullarda türkce egitim dersi mi veriyorlar

[thorny steeple]

almanyada ayni

[vivid needle]

değil

[thorny steeple]

niye degilmis cok bilgili kardesim anlat bakiyim

[vivid needle]

Türkiye'deki Kürt orani almanyadan kat kat daha büyük

milliyetçilik bu ulkeye zarar veriyor

kabullenemeyecek kadar körsunuz

[thorny steeple]

tmm anladim senide

sonucda türkiye orasi

[vivid needle]

neyi anladin

[thorny steeple]

kürdistan degil, kürtcü olmak istiyorlarsa irak a gitsinler orda kürdistan var

[vivid needle]

kurdistan diyen olmadi

[restive zodiac]

bros switched it to some real Turkish talking

[thorny steeple]

ülke degil sadece bölge, bir sürü kürt var orda

[vivid needle]

kurdistan kelimesi cikmadi nerden cikardin

[thorny steeple]

MUTLU DEGILLERSE, GITSINLER IRAK A DIYOM

SURIYEDE YASASINLAR

[vivid needle]

ne alaka dostum

neden kendi evini birakip gitsin

sen birakip gider miydin

[thorny steeple]

ülkeyi begenmeyen gidebilir her ülke icin gecerli bu

[vivid needle]

yok oyle bir dünya

bu ulkenin vatandasiysa

[thorny steeple]

ben baska ülkede yasasam, begenmesem, neden zornan orda kaliyimaq?

[vivid needle]

ulke ona gore şekillenecek

devlet kutsal bir şey degil

kutsal olan halk

halk olmadan devlet neye yarar

[thorny steeple]

yok canim, bizim atalarimiz kac bin sene savasdi lan sen ne diyon

[vivid needle]

dostum millet devlet icin degil, devlet millet icin var

halkcilik ilkesi be

[thorny steeple]

türkler yeter, türkiye halkin cogunlugu türk ismide „türkiye“ hatirlatiyim 😉

[vivid needle]

azicik mantik kur

[thorny steeple]

umrumda degil benim ülkemi kimseye böldürmem

chp zihniyetliler hep ayni aga

[lime cobalt]

English please !!

[vivid needle]

dostum anlamamakta neden israr ediyorsun

bolmek istiyorum demiyorum

o da devletin vatandasi

ona da yaşam hakki sunacak

[thorny steeple]

yeterince haklari yokmu sence kürtlerin?

[vivid needle]

yok

[thorny steeple]

var

kesinlikle

[vivid needle]

yok

kesinlikle

[thorny steeple]

türkiye türklerindir türklere göre sekillenecek

[vivid needle]

istesende istemesende

milyonlarca kurt var

onlari yok sayamazsin

iki tarafa gore şekillenecek

[thorny steeple]

diyelim kürtlere daha cok hak veriyo devlet

bu devlete bu ülkeye savas baslatan, gelecekde ne yapar knk sence?

[vivid needle]

dostum, sen onlara iyi bir yaşam sunarsan isyan etmeye sebepleri kalmaz

isyan edenlerede destek olmazlar

[thorny steeple]

kalir ama, cünkü adamlar kendi devletlerini istiyorlar

problem o

anladin mi türk kardesim

[vivid needle]

pkk ile butun kurtleri bir tutuyorsun

kac tane kurt kendi devletini istiyor

hepsi istese zaten kocaman isyan cikar

var mi oyle bir sey? yok.

pkk istiyor kurt devleti

[thorny steeple]

pkk kuruldugu dönemde türkiye bunlara daha cok hak verseydi, irkcilik yapmasaydi, belki olurdu ama simdi gec kaldilar adamlar kendi ülkelerini istiyorlar

hepsi uyandi

[vivid needle]

HEPSI MI ISTIYOR

dostum mantılı düşün

madem kurtlerin hepsi istiyor

bu adamlarin milyonlarca nufusu var

[thorny steeple]

istemeyenler zaten memnun yeterince haklari var ülkede

[vivid needle]

neden isyan etmiyorlar coktan?

[vivid needle]

az once hepsi uyandı dedin

kendinle celisiyorsun

[thorny steeple]

kürtlere karsi irkcilik yok, pkkli-kürtlere karsi var/// bunlarin ikisini bi ayir

[thorny steeple]

pkklilardan bahsediyorum

[vivid needle]

iki laf edince hemen kurtsun dedin bana

kurtsun deyince pkkli anlamiyor kimse

Kürt anliyor

[thorny steeple]

fazla politika isleriynen ugrasma , türk oldugundan bile utaniyorsjn düsdügün hallere bak vallah

[vivid needle]

gulum sen gercek yasini soylesene

[thorny steeple]

atalarimiz bosuna savasmadi

[thorny steeple]

gercek yasimi söyledim inanmak zorunda degilsin zaten, sadece seninle ayni fikirde olmadigimdan dolayi mal mal konusmana gerek yok

[thorny steeple]

eeee ben öyle bisey demedim

[vivid needle]

21 yani, hangi üniversiteye gidiyorsun

[thorny steeple]

sana neden söyleyim knk

tanimiyorum seni

[vivid needle]

anladim ben dostum tamam

iyi geceler kendine iyi bak

cok gec yatma

[thorny steeple]

bende anladim 😉

hadi sütünü ic knk

[vivid needle]

[vivid needle]

ictim knk annem isitmis iyi geldi

[thorny steeple]

bal ile iç

i can read it yall saying

never mind i am out

ama kendi atana küfür etme bir daha cok saygisizlik yapiyorsun

enver pasha olmasa ermeni kökenliydin sen suan

[vivid needle]

enver ve arkadaşları faşist serefsizlerdi

[thorny steeple]

senin kac baya kücük herhalde 🤣🤣🤣

[vivid needle]

tek gayesi kendi çıkarlarıydi

[thorny steeple]

yas

[vivid needle]

19 dostum

[thorny steeple]

hepsi türk devleti icin savasdi

begenmiyorsan türklügünü reddet ve ülkeden defol

[vivid needle]

İnşallah be canim

bi polonya isi var inşallah gidicez

[thorny steeple]

fake türk seni

ergen gibi takiliyonamk

[thorny steeple]

onlarda baya irkci hatirlatiyim

[vivid needle]

buyudugunde beni hatirla

[vivid needle]

hallederiz knk raad kal

[thorny steeple]

abinle agir konusma cüce

[thorny steeple]

haaa yok türk devletini irkci olduklari icin sevmediginden dedim

baya ironik

baska irkci ülkeye gidecek pasam büyüdügünde

[vivid needle]

turk devleti kendi vatandaşini koruyamiyor

sen hala onu savunuyorsun

6 Şubat'ta kac insan öldü

[thorny steeple]

chp zamaninda o binalar yapildi hatirlatiyim

[vivid needle]

gara da kac insan öldü?

[vivid needle]

imar iznini belediye mi veriyor

güzel dostum

[thorny steeple]

chp zamanindaki türkiye alakali videolar izle

bok gibiyidi

[vivid needle]

askerleri yakilmadi mi bu ulkenin onları koruyamadi

baslarina cuval gecirilmedi mi

ruslar bombalamadi mi

hic birine sesi cikti mi

[thorny steeple]

stratejik politika

[vivid needle]

PUAHAHAHAHA

[thorny steeple]

politika budur maalesef

[vivid needle]

ulken hic bir seye gikini cikaramiyor

insanini koruyamiyor

[thorny steeple]

„ülken“

[vivid needle]

kadinini koruyamiyor

[torpid dirge]

What language it's ?

[vivid needle]

cocugunu koruyamiyor

ormanini koruyamiyor

Ölüyorsun oglum

farkinda degilsin

[thorny steeple]

ermeni kökenli misin dogruyu söyle, bi dna testi yaptir

[lament forge]

C'mon speak english

[vivid needle]

delirecegim

[thorny steeple]

tmm bi kac seneye hatirla beni oglum

[vivid needle]

iyi geceler dostum

yeterli bu kadar sıkıldım

[torpid dirge]

Guys it's english server u should've talk in english

[thorny steeple]

tmm hadi iyi geceler

[lament forge]

real

[vivid needle]

shut yo bitch ass up and go jerk off to anime or something

[lament forge]

it's okay to say a few words but not having a full conversation

[thorny steeple]

yea we knot it and i don‘t care tbh because it‘s non of ur business

[lament forge]

why u have to be rude

[vivid needle]

sorry i felt bad

[thorny steeple]

non turkish people are not allowed to engage in the conversation

[lament forge]

wht

isn't that racist lol

[vivid needle]

literally took five seconds to understand he's racist

thank you

[thorny steeple]

u r not slightly better

[vivid needle]

we were actually arguing about that

[lament forge]

:<

[vivid needle]

at least im not racist

[thorny steeple]

admit it, but u r racist towards ur own people, I even question ur origin

[thorny steeple]

ok cool

[vivid needle]

im not racist, i hate the government

[lament forge]

not the same

[vivid needle]

not the same

[thorny steeple]

tmm uyu rezil etme bizi bunlara

[torpid dirge]

Calm down man why do you have to be so rude ? It's english server dude

[vivid needle]

sorry mate that was just a moment

didn't mean to burst at you like that

[lament forge]

it's oka it seems like the problem is someone else

[thorny steeple]

lol

[lament forge]

whatever

[thorny steeple]

there is no „problem“ it was just a discussion so u should definitely keep quiet german boy

[torpid dirge]

It's okay man ....

[lament forge]

[vivid needle]

[lament forge]

I see

[thorny steeple]

almanin ülke batiyor daha konusuyoamk

[restive zodiac]

they both are signs of some controversial issues in Turkish society and politics

[vivid needle]

turkiye batmiyor mu lol

[lament forge]

did he said smth about my people

[torpid dirge]

But funniest thing someone said to me jerk off to anime ? Even that i hate that kind of shit cartoon

[thorny steeple]

alman cocuk karismasin

[vivid needle]

he said your country is at the brink of collapse

[thorny steeple]

what a snitch

[lament forge]

I don't even live in germany

[thorny steeple]

this cant be a turk he is backstabbing another turk

[vivid needle]

would have taken him five seconds to translate

[lament forge]

real was about to

[thorny steeple]

ambusher

[lament forge]

even tho that's a bit true loll

[vivid needle]

accept it or not babe, im just as turk as you

[torpid dirge]

What's mean that ?

[vivid needle]

i am in your blood

i am your blood

[lament forge]

[torpid dirge]

Fam is not from turkey

[lament forge]

erm

he talks about the other dude

[vivid needle]

yuh

[torpid dirge]

Ohh but I'm talking about u aren't u from ?

[lament forge]

I'm not turkish

[vivid needle]

you should thank god for that

[restive zodiac]

ur muslim?

[lament forge]

I don't thank god

[vivid needle]

me neither

[thorny steeple]

bro he is weird dont talk to him ngl

[lament forge]

💀

[vivid needle]

i have became weird just because i dont share the same opinion as you

[lament forge]

lmao

[vivid needle]

Turkish society people

[thorny steeple]

nah not only because of this

[torpid dirge]

Why turk had its own legacies about Turkish history....

[restive zodiac]

he has some truth in his position

[lament forge]

hm..

[thorny steeple]

a turkish guy saying stuff like that lmao - he wants to be „different“

[vivid needle]

I want it to change

[thorny steeple]

ohhh u r so different broskiii

yea start a revolution

[vivid needle]

why cant everyone just be friends

[lament forge]

so everybody has to be the same ?

[lament forge]

I agree ma boi

[restive zodiac]

atheist?

[lament forge]

Gosh I hate this cooldown to type

[vivid needle]

why do you have to discriminate people just because they are not from your race

[vivid needle]

ja

[thorny steeple]

it‘s in humans nature to harm other people regardless of the nationality

[lament forge]

same

[vivid needle]

you can be better than that

you dont have to bash people's head with rocks

[restive zodiac]

?

[lament forge]

"yes"

[thorny steeple]

yea tell this to the politicians around the world

[torpid dirge]

Wtf r u talking about guys

[thorny steeple]

maybe the world will change lmao

[vivid needle]

hope so

[lament forge]

must

[vivid needle]

or we all die

[lament forge]

tru

most governments are shit

sadly

[vivid needle]

just be a good person

[lament forge]

real

[torpid dirge]

We die but our soul's remain alive

[lament forge]

what does that mean in this context

[vivid needle]

nukes dont leave anything behind

[thorny steeple]

politicians are not dumb enough to nuke earth lmao

[lament forge]

[vivid needle]

when somebody says "government wouldn't do that"

[torpid dirge]

Like heroshima Nagasaki

[vivid needle]

oh baby trust me, they would

[torpid dirge]

[lament forge]

"why would the government lie to us"

[vivid needle]

so naive

boom mushroom cloud

[lament forge]

[thorny steeple]

get some sleep buddy it‘s 4AM

[lament forge]

lol

8pm here

[vivid needle]

[thorny steeple]

where

[torpid dirge]

U guy's know what was the main reason of Oppenheimer to putting bomb on Nagasaki?

[restive zodiac]

Although he is an atheist he acknowledges Equity and dislike discrimination and racism .and oppose Fascisme and radical nationalism. U should think about it Emre..

we all Humans , and what make us near more than what makes us far, especially we share commonalities : Religion and history and close cultures

[manic juniper]

No

[thorny steeple]

defending my country doesn‘t mean I am a racist

if no one would care about races/nationalities there would be no countries brother

[quasi needle]

well it’s fairly deep

once he understood it was being dropped on japanese cities instead of military bases he objected to it

[thorny steeple]

it‘s in the humans nature to form various groups and embrace a culture

[manic juniper]

Better

[thorny steeple]

civil war

[thorny steeple]

.

[manic juniper]

There can be no civil war without a country you dummy

Especially if no one cares about nationalities and races

[thorny steeple]

but humans tend to feel more connected to a certain group

[quasi needle]

Galactic Civil War, the empire isn’t a country!

😈

[torpid dirge]

But did government know about that ? I have think Oppenheimer just was a weapon to end ww2 and destruction of heroshima

[thorny steeple]

a race would feel neglected and would declare war

[quasi needle]

the government changed their minds and didn’t really care

i’m getting my info from the movie but it’s an accurate movie

truman decided to bomb the cities and when they told oppenheimer he hated it

[torpid dirge]

Nope movie is just garbage not any specific information get from it

[thorny steeple]

or resistance

[torpid dirge]

Just lot of political drama and

Ntg much about bomb

[quasi needle]

this is false

[thorny steeple]

but u can separate them based on their skin color

[quasi needle]

it’s dramatized but accurate

[thorny steeple]

or appearence

[manic juniper]

Or their moustaches

It's literally arbitrary

Let's oppress people with distinct earlobes

[formal pilot]

[formal pilot]

That's how they used to find out about jews in nazi era

[manic juniper]

It's why mammals will never progress on a moral level

They will always seek a way to oppress one another

[quasi needle]

they didn’t find out….

[manic juniper]

It's why mammals are inherently inferior

[quasi needle]

they chose people with big noses

and glasses

and had a CHANCE of finding a jewish person

[formal pilot]

And attached earlobes

[quasi needle]

detached earlobes for the win

[thorny steeple]

nah man im too tired for this shit

gn

[shy summit]

What in the fuck

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-ready-to-go-helmet-squad-gif-16327669

[formal pilot]

Ye is movin wild on twitter

[plush geyser]

Explain buddy

[lament forge]

Captain Rex on top

[feral river]

cuz they didn't got that in the first place

you should guess why there's no nuclear attacks at moscow in cold war

because they got nukes, bigger than everyone

[thorny steeple]

Ateist thinking about how christianity began .

[lament forge]

and it wasn't like that ?

[static pivot]

@upper peak hello

[formal pilot]

I can't read hindi

[thorny steeple]

This 4yo was raped and killed day before

[formal pilot]

Translate please

[thorny steeple]

Tht ain't hindi sir

Idk TF tht is

But yh
She was sexually assaulted and killed by a 45yo man

Guess what the comments under this post were doing

[formal pilot]

Might be marathi

[thorny steeple]

"hindu muslim"

Cause she's a muslim

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's always about hindu muslim

We're going backwards

[thorny steeple]

Real

Bro wtf is this country

Tht guy hasn't been caught yet

And instead of doing something everyone is busy in Hindu muslim

[formal pilot]

They just want to feel proud about not belonging to the criminals religion

[thorny steeple]

Smh
Wt about tht poor girl

[formal pilot]

In reality it's a regional problem, we have similar DNA

[thorny steeple]

Real

[kind seal]

Country is doomed.......

[formal pilot]

She won't get justice just like other 1000s of victims

[thorny steeple]

I wanna run away from this shit hole fr
When you tell people about the problems they call u antinationalist

[thorny steeple]

As expected