🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

both isis and taliban they are often together because they are both Islamist militant organizations that have carried out acts of terrorism and Hezbollah is designated as a terrorist organization

[sharp marten]

you are talking about the council of nicea and it feels like some muslim gave this information to you because the council didnt even touch the canon of scripture christianity was legalized they were clarifying what they believe

this has been probably said thousands of times the council of nicea did NOT deal with the canon of scripture

[golden abyss]

that's what they told us in school

[sharp marten]

gotta update your knowledge bro cant be left behind

[manic juniper]

Don't Copts and Syriacs still have different canons to most other Christians

[flint dove]

This is not accurate information.

in fact the Taliban fought isis inside Afghanistan.

USA also declared Taliban as a terrorist organization

About attacks in civillians, it's nit claimed by Taliban. it's claimed by foreign countries that Taliban attacked Shia non militant people while fighting the Shia militants before the US invasion.

declaring Taliban as a terrorist organization is just poltical

[manic juniper]

Having the same canon is a thing I dislike about religions

They were much more interesting when they had more canons

[sharp marten]

scholar wes huff also talks about the council of nicea if you wanna learn from him

[golden abyss]

and don't we have different canon? same orthodox religion has different canon in romania, bulgaria, ukraine, russia etc.

[manic juniper]

By little, I think only two books differ between Catholic and Protestants vs Orthodox churches

The most divergent churches are the Syriac and Coptic ones

[golden abyss]

I'm talking about Orthodox, look how different is the canon on Orthodoxy from country to country, the Greeks have almost nothing in common with the Romanians.

[manic juniper]

I thought they had the same scriptures, only they had very different rituals mostly tied to their languages

[golden abyss]

you're right, it's not one of my specialised subjects and I don't want to contradict with anyone I just joined the discussion to practise my English. You probably have much more knowledge than me, I'm just a poor orthodox

[manic juniper]

Where from

[golden abyss]

RO

[manic juniper]

Nice

[sharp marten]

yeah just have a good day man

[manic juniper]

One of the countries I visited the most

[golden abyss]

which cities?

[manic juniper]

Piatra Neamț, Cluj, Roman

Bran too

But that was a visit to the castle more than anything else

[golden abyss]

you should visit the north, maramures and bucovina, and of course bucharest

Bran is a turist trap

[manic juniper]

Yes, I wanted to visit Bucovina but I didn't get the chance to go back to Romania yet

[golden abyss]

maramures is much more rustic, cheaper and less touristic than bucovina, I recommend that part of romania

[manic juniper]

Not in Romania but I also attended a Romanian barbecue event in Italy

[outer cave]

hi

[formal pilot]

[split wren]

THERE IS A TREE THAT HAS BEEN CLAIMED TO CURE CANCER COULD IT BE TRUE ? THE NAME IS PAO PERIERA

[proud remnant]

Wsp

[feral river]

Lmao

[dense agate]

we got Minecraft memes before gta 6 damn

[feral river]

https://youtu.be/mpDE7KtXAVI?si=qqFgOyYrX0sBPnK_

Trump is right if we can get a beautiful place to resettle those people where they will not be shot not be killed and enjoy their life that will solve this problem permanently

They have no choice besides leaving Gaza

Trump administration is making america great again

[dense agate]

the grass couldn't be any greener

[feral river]

He’s going to make america great again, not american people great again Lol

National interest above all

People’s interest will be cared and satisfied to a certain extent once the act to take more national interest going well and keep generating values and profits

”If there’s pie, don’t think too much to divide the pie, make it bigger” - Deng Xiaoping

[tender vessel]

I mean, if you find it insulting when that is the intent, it's a natural reaction to take offense of that.
It's a very natural reaction for someone holding deep religious beliefs to feel hurt or disrespected when their sacred text is desecrated, especially when the intent is indeed to provoke or to insult.
If someone was to burn a national flag, mock a loved one, or insult a cherished ideal, people from all backgrounds might feel anger or offense. It's not a sign of fragility; it implies something is deeply valued.
Overall, U N K N O W N (or Abu Omnia) thinks that actions should go without consequences. He's attempting to convince us that we are supposed to submit when he is insulting us.
Not only that, he believes his standard is universally binding. He thinks just because he believes in free speech, we all should share his belief and abide by it. That, in my opinion, is indeed not the adult behavior at all.

Also, an adult wouldn't resort to insults and disrespect in order to express their criticism. It would be a sign of weakness.

[waxen shale]

Hezbollah fight isis. Taliban fight western invaders. This is where we differ bro

[random olive]

During the 10 minutes I spent in waiting for myself to be verified, I observed the most popular text channels of this server. And I found this particular one quite intriguing. Apparently religion wars and bashing each others political opinions is considered "serious" by responsible members of the English Hub. This channel is a certified manifestation of hate speech.
Lastly, there's a person in here, most likely minecraft_652, who thinks law without enforcement is toilet paper. I would like to read their opinions on dictatorship as an effective form of governance.

[formal pilot]

Lord lmknot

[waxen shale]

We won't engage. We just clarify

[feral river]

try to disobey a law with enforcement and you will see what would happen on you

it's nothing about dictatorship or democracy

and law/rule without enforcement is a toilet paper

if you think it's not, obey the law of be my slave.

that's my law on you

I'm a capitalist, I care my own interest at most, I don't care what's your ideology or what ideology I'm going to pick to maximize my interest

[mystic bay]

Of course it's natural to take offence. No one is saying you shouldn't. But you should be able to process those feelings without lashing out irrationally. No one is saying that insulting speech should go without consequences. We're just saying that those consequences shouldn't consist of violence.

[mystic bay]

I literally said that as well

Sorry, but this is nonsense. It comes from Dan Brown and has no basis whatsoever in history.

What you are referring to is the first council of Nicaea (325 CE). There is a common misconception that the council deliberated on the Biblical canon, deciding what should go in and what should not. No one had any notion of this before The Da Vinci Code. If you actually read the proceedings of the Council you will see that the canon was not part of their deliberations. They enumerate the content of the canon early on, but only as a principle of their deliberations, and not as the matter at hand. The council was convened specifically to address the pre-existence of Christ (i.e., whether the person of Christ is eternal). The canon was already long settled by 325.

If you're interested, I'd recommend taking a look at Michael Krueger's The Question of Canon and Canon Revisited.

[waxen shale]

@mystic bay would you recommend me something to read ?

[mystic bay]

Well what interests you?

[waxen shale]

Mathematical platonism and metaphysical idealism

[slender coral]

The court said he got that sentence for "incitement to atheism", his crime is sharing his views. How do you define Islamic abominate?

I think you are being extremely dishonest right now to approach me in bad faith like that. Every theist would tell you that their scholars responded to criticisms against their religion, but a response being there doesn't mean it's a good response.

If you are going to just accuse me of lying without responding, then I guess you can't argue against it.

[mystic bay]

On mathematical Platonism, if you want a general introductory survey, then the Stanford Encyclopedia article is good. It has an extensive bibliography from which to read further: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/

There are actually very few book-length defences of mathematical Platonism, although a great discussion book is Mark Balaguer, Platonism and Anti-Platonism in Mathematics. The conclusion of the book is that there are no ultimately convincing arguments for or against Platonism, but this only comes after he has surveyed what he considers to be the strongest arguments on both sides. The file is too large for me to send, but it can be downloaded from library genesis.

I would also recommend looking at this, which presents a moderate (and, to my mind, convincing) middle way between Platonism and fictionalism in mathematics.

I am not well-read in idealism, since I am mostly an analytic philosopher and idealism is mostly prominent in the continental tradition. But Bernardo Kastrup, a philosopher and cognitive scientist, has recently tried to rehabilitate idealism in an analytic context. Here is a link to one of his books:

https://philpapers.org/archive/KASAIA-3.pdf

[thorny steeple]

What does this have to do with Saddam Hussein exactly? When Saddam Hussein was at war with Iran, why didn't the United Nations intervene? Why were various countries supplying weapons and equipment to the Iraqis?
Then, when they saw the Iranians advancing, the UN came and said to go back to your borders. So they were working in favor of Iraq. And when Saddam attacked Kuwait, it led to his downfall.

[feral river]

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[tender vessel]

If you have ever studied Islam you'd know, Muslims also pay tax, it's called "زكاة" (Zakat).
In fact, the Zakat is far more expensive than Jizya (non-Muslims' tax).
Jizya is derived from the word "جزاء" (compensation). It's a tax given for protection, since non-Muslims are not obligated to engage in wars if the country or state is under attack, only Muslims fight in this case.
Beside that, Jizya is only mandatory for those who are financially capable of paying, despite being fairly cheap. So, poor, elderly, disabled, women, children, slaves, and those incapable of earning a living are not required to pay Jizya.

This is an answer that any scholar would provide you with. I don't get why wouldn't you look up an answer for your question before ignorantly criticizing Islam? You keep labeling Afloat dishonest while you're the one being intellectually dishonest here.

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/7quabnJ-4z8?si=RdeU2Ery2CfgNvzd

[tender vessel]

Fun fact: Islam recognizes the freedom of practicing your religion. Have a look at Umar's Assurance.

[slender coral]

Zakat is not a tax imposed as a punishment for a different religion. Quran never talked about it the same way it talked about Jizya.
And Jizya come with the laws of Ahlul-Dhimma which is a set of discriminatorylaws applied on non Muslims to humiliate them for not following Islam and pressure them socially to convert. They include stuff like shaving their heads and wearing certain stuff in public to be identified and shit like that, as I said refer to the book Laws of Ahlul-Dhimma أحكام أهل الذمة by ibn al-Qayyim.

[thorny steeple]

Airan Airak 💀

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

They don't pronounced like that.

[thorny steeple]

How's it pronounce then?

[slender coral]

Additionally, ibn Qudamah clarified in his book al-Mughni that depending on the madhab مذهب you follow out the four, some groups of non Muslims cannot pay Jizya to continue practicing their faith, they either convert or get killed and their children and women get enslaved.

[thorny steeple]

ɪˈrɑːn
Ee-rahn

[thorny steeple]

English jargon wanna know more?

[thorny steeple]

So different from written form

[tender vessel]

Zakat is obligatory for all Muslims. It's one of the 5 pillars of Islam.
Of course Qur'an never talked about Zakat the same way as Jizya. They are drastically different. Zakat is obligatory for Muslims only. Jizya is not obligatory for non-Muslims unless they are capable.
The laws of Ahlul-Dhimma are dictated to protect them under an Islam law, not to discriminate them. Islam has laws that are only applied to men, does that also mean Islam unjustly discriminate men? No. Men and women are different in physiology, psychology, behavior etc... Equating the different is unjust. Men are naturally capable of performing certain tasks that most women won't be as performant at.
Similarly, Ahlul-Dhimma are not Muslims, and therefore, their behavior would be different than Muslims. So, the obligations and laws would also be different to ensure they're justly treated under an Islamic rule.

[dense solar]

I've noticed a lot of strong anti-AI sentiment online, from concerns about job loss to arguments about AI being 'soulless' or 'stealing' art. While I get some of these worries, AI also brings a lot of benefits. Why do you think the negativity is so widespread? Is it mostly justified, or is there some exaggeration?

[thorny steeple]

AI stealing jobs

[tender vessel]

By the way, all the information I'm providing are available in the same book. I'm beginning to doubt you've actually read it.
A whole chapter is dedicated to why Jizya exists, responding to doubts about it, and the groups exempted from paying it. It's literally named "فصل ممن تؤخذ الجزية وحكمتها وسببها".

[slender coral]

The amount of mental gymnastics here is crazy.
Even with Zakat, those who are incapable to pay can simply not pay it too.
The laws of Ahlul-Dhimma are obviously discriminatory, what benefit is it brought to a minority group to wear certain clothes in public to be identified by the majority?
Ahlul-Dhimma laws prohibit non Muslims from maintaining their religious buildings, what benefits does that give them?
If you read أحكام أهل الذمة, you would find a chapter with the title:
الجزية ليست أجرة عن سكنى الدار
"Jizya is not a tax for living in a certain place"
Ibn al-Qayim said in the chapter after clarifying the purpose of Jizya:
قد تبين لنا بما ذكرنا أن الجزية ضربت صغاراً و إذلالاً للكفار، لا أجرةً عن سكنى الدار
"It comes clear after what we've discussed that Jizya is imposed to humble and humiliate the infidels, not as a way to tax the place where they live."
I'll say it again, read the book.

[slender coral]

And?

[dense solar]

I see that concern a lot. But hasn’t automation been replacing jobs for centuries? The real question is whether AI is different from past technological shifts. Do you think AI is fundamentally worse than, say, industrial robots replacing factory workers?

[thorny steeple]

Automation has been used for cars and other market areas, AI is new in the way it will change humanity forever

[dense solar]

If AI is going to change humanity forever, doesn’t that also mean it could create new industries and opportunities we can’t even predict yet?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but in the meantime see how job loss happens

[main bison]

Do I support Canada joining usa?

[thorny steeple]

Can’t tell How they rule the country and treat citizens,civilians

[main bison]

Its kinda sad that such a cool counntry like Canada disappears for ever

[manic juniper]

You either get banned here or live long enough to see someone praising the Talibans

[slender coral]

There are a lot of Muslim Taliban supporters

I think Taliban represents a big portion of Muslims. They are fundamentalists and not completely unhinged like ISIS.

[main bison]

Fuck Taliban

All counties in the world should untie together to attack Taliban and free afhanstistan

[formal pilot]

Why would the waste time and money

[main bison]

For humanity

Aren't afghan people humans?

[formal pilot]

That's not valid reason to start a war

[main bison]

How about Korea/Iraq/Vietnam war?

[formal pilot]

I'm with the people, I feel bad for afgani people

Unfortunately it's their war

[main bison]

People want democracy !

[formal pilot]

Look at Syria, how they overthrow the Assad regime

[main bison]

They can't overtake them

[main bison]

Duh

Taliban still has a lot of support in Afghanistan

Sooo
USA should attack them

[formal pilot]

Stable Democracy can't be forced, it comes with time

[main bison]

USA has 1 fucking trillion dollars of budget on their army
So wtf are they gonna do with it

More than all countries in earth combined

[formal pilot]

Spend money on research and create more advance weapons

[main bison]

That's weird

[formal pilot]

If locals support Taliban, no one can remove them

[main bison]

USA CAN

[formal pilot]

Tried and failed

[main bison]

HOW did they overthrow sadam in one month so

[main bison]

They didn't use all of their power obviously

Idk use atomic bomb

[formal pilot]

USA is already going through crazy inflation, stupid health care and increasing number of homeless people

[main bison]

Then what are those 20000 atmotics bomb in the world so

[formal pilot]

Why would they spend money on afganistan

[main bison]

Huh
To free people?

[formal pilot]

You need to understand no country is trying to be a global hero

[main bison]

Swistland is

[formal pilot]

Whole region will become useless, it'll get contaminated with radioactive substance, afgani people will suffer the most

[main bison]

No this didn't happen in japan

We can just warn them to escalate

[formal pilot]

Because bomb exploded above ground in Hiroshima, causing most of the radioactive material to disperse into the atmosphere

[main bison]

So do the same again

[formal pilot]

You're saying eradicate the whole region and every people in it?

Lol that's ridiculous

[main bison]

To put force on Taliban to give up

[main bison]

Wasn't it with Japan?

[main bison]

I meant evacuate

[formal pilot]

Japan suffered alot because of atomic blast

It was a threat to the States that's why they dropped the bomb

[main bison]

Soo

[formal pilot]

Make everyone homeless because of Taliban

[main bison]

Again?

[formal pilot]

That's worse than Taliban

[main bison]

They can have freedom tho and build it again

[formal pilot]

Give this advice to trump

[main bison]

Hmm
Sure if I got white house number

[formal pilot]

Freedom not worth enough to Destroy whole area

They need to start a revolution if they don't want Taliban

[shy summit]

You can’t just attack a sovereign country for no reason

[formal pilot]

Unless you're American

[frigid basalt]

🤣🤣

Good one

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apu97YrB_5c

[formal pilot]

My hate towards America is growing day by day

When I say america it means the American government not necessarily citizens

[shy summit]

For all of those dipshits in the middle east who liked trump because he was anti-lgbt

I personally want to say

Fuck you

[mystic bay]

Thank goodness that has been cleared up

[dapper laurel]

Did they discover oil wells there?

[shy summit]

No, Trump just hates Muslims and brown people

[tender vessel]

Mental gymnastics? What part? I can cite almost everything from the books of early Islamic scholars.

Even with Zakat, those who are incapable to pay can simply not pay it too.
The Zakat is obligatory even on women and children. Parents are obligated to pay Zakat for their children. Zakat is paid for even the ill.
Abu Bakr fought those who didn't pay Zakat. It's 100% obligatory on all Muslims. Only people who absolutely can't pay Zakat at all are probably exempted from it.

benefit is it brought to a minority group to wear certain clothes in public to be identified by the majority?
Would you like non-Muslims to be unintentionally punished or held accountable for not fulfilling Muslims' obligations? Among the reasons non-Muslims should appear differently is to not apply the rulings of Muslims on them. For example, drinking alcohol is part of Christians religious traditions, while it's punishable for Muslims to drink alcohol. The same goes with eating pork, trading, military service, praying, fasting etc...

Ahlul-Dhimma laws prohibit non Muslims from maintaining their religious buildings, what benefits does that give them?
That's simply not true. If you have read the Umar's Assurance as I recommended above you'd know Umar Ibn Alkhatab gave them assurance on their churches:
"هذا ما أعطى عبد الله، عمر، أمير المؤمنين، أهل إيلياء من الأمان، أعطاهم أماناً لأنفسهم وأموالهم ولكنائسهم وصلبانهم..."

[tender vessel]

الجزية ليست أجرة عن سكنى الدار
"Jizya is not a tax for living in a certain place"
Be honest with yourself. How is that even relevant? It does not anywhere say it's not a compensation for protection and exemption from military service.
Abu Ubaidah Ibn Al-Jarrah returned the money of the Jizya to the Christians of Levant when he suspected the inability of Muslims at the time to win the battle against the Romans. This is enough of a proof that it is a compensation for protection.

قد تبين لنا بما ذكرنا أن الجزية ضربت صغاراً و إذلالاً للكفار، لا أجرةً عن سكنى الدار
"It comes clear after what we've discussed that Jizya is imposed to humble and humiliate the infidels, not as a way to tax the place where they live."

You overlooked what humbleness and humiliation is meant in the same book:

والصواب في الآية أن الصغار هو التزامهم لجريان أحكام الملة عليهم ، وإعطاء الجزية فإن التزام ذلك هو الصغار
The correct interpretation of the verse is that 'humiliation' refers to their adherence to the rulings of the religion imposed upon them and the payment of Jizya. For their adherence to this is what constitutes their humiliation [Vol. 1 - P. 119]

[tender vessel]

Islam basically preserves the dignity of Ahlul-Dhimma.

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Beware, if anyone wrongs a contracting man, or diminishes his right, or forces him to work beyond his capacity, or takes from him anything without his consent, I shall plead for him on the Day of Judgment. [Sunan Abi Dawud 3052 - Grade: Sahih]

If anyone kills a man who has made a covenant* he will not experience the fragrance of paradise, yet its odour can be experienced at a distance of forty years’ journey. [Mishkat al-Masabih 3452]

ولا يضرب أحد من أهل الذمة في استيدائهم الجزية؛ ولا يقاموا في الشمس ولا غيرها، ولا يجعل عليهم في أبدانهم شيء من المكاره
No one from the Dhimmi community should be beaten in the collection of Jizya; they should not be made to stand in the sun or elsewhere, and no hardship should be imposed on them regarding their bodies. [Kitab Al-Kharaj - By Abu Yusuf (the companion of Abu Hanifah) - P. 37]

[shy summit]

Can we get a fucking tldr

Like bro did you copy paste that from a doc you had to prep it in?

[restive zodiac]

shut ur mouth and listen

[tender vessel]

No. I'm quoting from books and other sources as proofs.
I wrote the whole message as a full bulk and posted it on multiple parts due to Discord's word limit.
If you remove all the quotes, it would probably be way shorter and concise.

[shy summit]

You need a linktree for all the damn quoting you do

[tender vessel]

I apologize. It was... necessary... to express my point.

[mystic bay]

If not in serious chat, then where?

[restive zodiac]

u dont need to apologize.

[manic juniper]

Cringe

[formal pilot]

This time they're searching for god ig

[restive zodiac]

there are oil and gas fields in Gaza

tho

[formal pilot]

It's not like before trump everything was good, whole system supports israel unconditionally

[shy summit]

I highly doubt Harris would have wanted to air the bitch out

[restive zodiac]

Gaza Marine is an offshore natural gas reservoir discovered in 2000 by British Gas Group (BG Group). It was found in the waters west of the Gaza Strip, about 17–21 nautical miles (nm) offshore and 610 m deep, and it is estimated to contain 32 billion cubic metres (BCM) of natural gas.
https://academic.oup.com/jwelb/article/17/2/128/7590661

[shy summit]

Doubt that’s why tbh.

[dusty granite]

Online job as an English teacher is available if anyone interested DM me

[formal pilot]

USA has 691 trillion cubic feet gas (wet) reserved, why would they invest millions for 32B m³

[restive zodiac]

they lost billions for Israel, why would they help them again?

[random olive]

Damn, that strikes the heart

I'm sorry for thinking that Trump is a nice guy

Fuck you Donald trump

[formal pilot]

I rarely encounter jews here, I'd love to ask them the idea behind distraction

Gas isn't a valid reason

[random olive]

It's just shows our lack of research and awareness that we just take one aspect of a political figure and turn him to a God

[formal pilot]

Because it's in their book

[restive zodiac]

its obv not natural resources, but it s about the united states of Israel

[formal pilot]

That's the only explanation I've right now

[shy summit]

The real reason is to air Gaza out so your IDF overlords can sell to the chosen people. O b v i o u s l y

[weary latch]

✊🏻

[formal pilot]

I wish ilona was here, she studied about it in depth

[stable edge]

hi

[formal pilot]

This is west bank, my friend shared it 4 days ago lol

[restive zodiac]

the elements for the existence of Isreal are not from inside ,rather they are from outside :
1- the unconditioned US support and their allies.
2- Arab countries weakness and silence.

if 1 and 2 disappeared, Israel will end

[mortal depot]

Israel not good 😐

[shy summit]

It wouldn’t end that fast and it still has other supporters

We just happen to be the biggest ”ahem” in the locker room

[restive zodiac]

i included all supporters in 1

[shy summit]

Now still

What Trump has been doing is so fucking egregious that it will take years to recover political decorum

Bro wants to stuff Muslim students into Guantanamo ffs

I think now is a good time to bring up this tweet from four months ago.

Mhm….

Oh hey

I hope we don’t have any Iranians in the chat rn

Because FUCK YOU TOO…. Apparently

[formal pilot]

This suffering will eventually end when jews get divided into non Zionist jews and Zionist jews, number for non Zionist jews are more than ever rn

[prisma cipher]

[shy summit]

“Gonna bomb yo ass into the stone age” ass take

[restive zodiac]

why Israel is not obligated by that?

[prisma cipher]

Ngl nale just went crazy about trump

[shy summit]

Bro the dude announced he was gonna invade Canada and greenland

[formal pilot]

Yeah nale hates trump

[shy summit]

Considering the fact that he is threatening to stop paying for my grandparents’ healthcare i very much hate him yeah

Or the fact that he’s a confirmed felon

And a rapist

[restive zodiac]

inside division is not the major reason for that ,always comes from outside.

[manic juniper]

Wasn't he responsible for breaking the first Iranian nuclear agreement?

[thorny steeple]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFpL1biCydY/?igsh=bjB0cnoya21vcDA=

[shy summit]

Yes

[manic juniper]

Sometimes it feels like the democrats and Biden were Trump's best friends because they tried to fix some of his talking points (stricter border, the wall)
And Trump is his own biggest nemesis

He announced tariffs just to delay them

[formal pilot]

Definitely a lesbian

[shy summit]

That’s that Red Robin shit right?

[thorny steeple]

Flameback

[formal pilot]

I don't know dude, it's woodpecker

[formal pilot]

Red hair lesbian

[shy summit]

Whoosh over your head the joke went!

[thorny steeple]

It would be called doctor bird

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-jack-nicholson-yes-nod-gif-14306654

[formal pilot]

Lmao

[prisma cipher]

I literally don't care about Trump just not interesting

If he is good or bad we will see.

[thorny steeple]

in china,people refer to 'green hair turtle' which means his wife cheats on him

[tough gull]

[formal pilot]

That doesn't make sense, how why what

[thorny steeple]

in ancient China, a peasant wore a green hat to work which a signal her lover when her husband was away

the phrase is widely used in Chinese society, "green hat" which means cheating

[formal pilot]

Dyammm that's genius

[ancient kraken]

@thorny steeple no not everybody is wrong, some people are right when they talk about Islam but a lot are wrong because they hate the religion and they try to find way to criticize it (they can’t and they fail miserably because they don’t know what they’re talking about). Even for you Mély if u wanna try to say things that you think that are wrong in Islam then at least try to look by yourself for some informations and not say some arguments that make no sense that people that hate Islam use(the verse of killing the non Muslims per exemple). I feel like some people showed u a very bad exemple of Islam, because the verse you gave as an argument is an argument that people who hate Islam use. Tu sais le véritable islam est un islam ou l’on croit en Allah seul sans lui associé des égaux, on fait nos 5 prières par jour, on nourrit les pauvres et on leur montre un bon comportement, on sourit à nos frères quand on les voit, on n’est pas vulgaire et on parle avec une voix douce, et lorsque la vie est dure sur nous et qu’on a des problèmes alors on demande l’aide d’Allah et il nous répond et nous sort de notre tristesse. Bien sûr il y a d’autres belles choses que je n’ai pas citées, mais l’islam n’est pas le fait de faire des attaques terroristes sur des personnes innocentes et penser qu’on aura le paradis en faisant cela, ou alors interdire à la femme tout droit. L’islam est bien plus beau que ça mais malheureusement les gens sont ignorant et on de la haine envers l’islam pour des raisons bâties sur rien.. ne sois pas parmi eux Mély tu vaux bien mieux que ça 🙌

(Désolé du pavé)

[feral river]

that's a good idea

why not taking over half of the middle east

and rename themself United States of World instead of United States of America

they should expand as much as they want

[thorny steeple]

Well, It's not only that verse which is about killing, there are more.
Let's say some Muslims are wrong, let's say they don't believe the true Islam. Okay.

But what about the Quran itself?
I have been talking about that in this channel before too.

Verses about killing none Muslims
About getting married to 4 women
About beating woman
And even more.

It's not hating Islam, I don't find those verses rational enough.

[formal pilot]

Lemme get a summary

"Here is a shorter summary:

The message clarifies common misconceptions about Islam, emphasizing its core teachings like praying, helping the poor, and good behavior. It rejects the idea that Islam promotes terrorism or oppresses women. The author encourages Mély to seek accurate information and not be influenced by baseless hatred."

[formal pilot]

You forget to mention turning jews into monkeys

[thorny steeple]

Time for gym

Goodbye

[ancient kraken]

Alright again for marrying four women learn a bit more about it and you’ll see that it’s fine the reason i never saw a case where a man married four wives just for his own pleasure, there is other intentions behind it that are useful for the society. For the fact about beating women then just look at this vid and you’ll understand.. again you lack knowledge about the subject im telling you you can’t just open the Quran read and think you get it all you need scholars to explain the verse or else you won’t ever understand what the Quran says (in interpretation). https://youtu.be/X0TVh7A9-LA?si=YY_ZD60EgLm1EDH5 .
Obviously we don’t hit a wife to hurt her.

I think it’s useless for you to tell me the « even more » you have I suggest you just search there explanations with people that have a sound heart for the search of truth. I’m not saying you hate Islam but the arguments u give are arguments of people hating on Islam. Btw I’m not being arrogant or anything when saying these things I genuinely am trying to help u find truth. I get that you don’t find those verses rational enough if you don’t have the explanation behind it, tbh me too I wouldn’t get that you could hit your wife if I didn’t had the explanation

[ancient kraken]

Bro get a degree in making resumes ggs

[formal pilot]

It was ai

[ancient kraken]

Damn I thought

[thorny steeple]

This is what the channel would look like if the French had managed to surpass England over the last centuries

[elder seal]

Chad

[elder seal]

Real

[slender coral]

Texting back and forth like this is a pain in the ass. Are you free for VC tonight?

[manic juniper]

I want to be a Jew now

[waxen shale]

Thanks 👍🙏 really appreciate it

[formal pilot]

Blonde jew, you won't survive natural selection 💀

[manic juniper]

I just want to shapeshift into a mandrill, they also have some blonde hair

[stable edge]

Can i get your IG

[formal pilot]

They're drag queens of animals kingdom

[thorny steeple]

Question: Why did people stop using their hands to eat and go for chopsticks, spoons, forks, and knives ?

[shy summit]

Lions do it better they straight up transition

[west kiln]

@thorny steeple Put this on your gym Playlist, unless you prefer the soundtrack of ur own struggling breaths.
https://youtu.be/5jEHDzXlPs0?si=7OAZYcQrcWft6Ohp

https://youtu.be/j_MlBCb9-m8?si=JmDDV5_qX5YyL9PQ

[flint dove]

Can you show me the response that you didn't like?
if you actually looked for their response, I did look for the response years ago when I was asked the same question on twitter by an atheist, if you looked for a response then I really don't think you'd make the questions you made.

Still, show me the response of the scholar that you didn't like.

.
.

i said previously,
There are many islamophobes who ask questions that any general Muslim aren't supposed to know the answer to.

Many times they asked me about the punishment for adultery and theft,

I didn't study Sharia, its a whole subject that you can study at universities,

anyway they ask these questions after making wrong claims about Islam.

So, again, I suspect anyone who makes false claims about Isiam and then asks Muslims to prove them wrong online and at the same time refusing to read the responses written by scholars (people who can actually answer you ), well I suspect they're on to no good but just trying to misinform people about Isiam

.
.
I saw you trying to claim a tax taken by caliphate as oppressive.
fine if you think that. Our scholars have answered the question years ago and they have also included the history how these taxes worked in the past.

about the law of adultery our scholars answered that too.

it's really sad seeing the same questions, not any new but the same questions circulating around the net in the same way despite answering them so many times.

people who hates Islam just won't look them up. They don't want to learn, they just want to misinform others about Isiam.

you have a question, you search for a answer but No, islamophobes are different
they don't search for an answer

[thorny steeple]

It's useful for society if a man get married to 4 women? Whaaaa

[thorny steeple]

Tell me the reasons for getting married to 4 women? What's good about it?

[tender vessel]

I've got a lot on my plate, lately. So, unfortunately, I can't.

[ancient kraken]

https://www.3ilmchar3i.net/2016/12/avant-d-etre-polygame.html

there is more reasons that the one he talks about here, yeah it can just search about it

[thorny steeple]

i think i am a Jew, in Chinese social media

[tender vessel]

The Messenger of Allah never beat any of his servants, or wives, and his hand never hit anything [Sunan Ibn Majah 1984 - Grade: Sahih]

The prophet never hit except in wars. The fact that his character is of an examplary moral character (Qur'an 33:21 - Qur'an 68:4) shows how much it's discouraged for Muslims to hit anyone.
Other companions reported Hadiths, such as:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) neither talked in an insulting manner nor did he ever speak evil intentionally. He used to say, "The most beloved to me amongst you is the one who has the best character and manners." [al-Bukhari 3759, 3760]

Even disbelievers reported he urged Muslims to be virtuous, such as By Abu Dharr's brother:

So his brother set out and came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and listened to some of his talks, and returned to Abu Dhar and said to him. "I have seen him enjoining virtuous behavior and saying something that is not poetry." [al-Bukhari 3861]

[thorny steeple]

I watched the video you sent.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229548849450848267/1336748590231720039/IMG_20250205_205102_363.jpg?ex=67a4efa3&is=67a39e23&hm=8a4bbb0801ebf054dbd1b794ffbf92a75935d19df81c41563d0e79abdc69b07f&

[thorny steeple]

Is a woman slave or something to obey?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229548849450848267/1336748590629912687/IMG_20250205_205104_243.jpg?ex=67a4efa3&is=67a39e23&hm=1f108ece4061439277960929436eb6534be2497bed0e7b7de021ed7c11d8d388&

[thorny steeple]

That's my point, hitting a woman isn't allowed in any way.

[ancient kraken]

😊

[thorny steeple]

But he's saying it's allowed but with some kind of rules lmao

[ancient kraken]

You’re saying it’s not allowed in Islam or you don’t want it to be allowed ?

[ancient kraken]

It doesn’t hurt lol

[thorny steeple]

It shouldn't be allowed, that's so mean towards a woman.

[thorny steeple]

Bro it hurts or not, if it doesn't hurt why would it be even there??

[tender vessel]

In Islam, a man is the guardian of the family. Similar to how a woman would obey the boss at work. It would be double-standard if you believe it's okay in the latter case but bad in the former.

[ancient kraken]

C’est juste pour montrer que l’homme est énervé, l’intention n’est pas de lui faire mal

[ancient kraken]

To show that her husband is mad against her

[thorny steeple]

Well well we'll
The boss won't hit the woman at work.

He's not allowed

Also we have female boss too.

With men who work for her.

So not a good example.

[thorny steeple]

Can a woman do that as well if she's angry? No.

So that's not fair

[thorny steeple]

Tell me he's hella angry, he's not allowed to beat a woman.

[tender vessel]

The analogy is meant for your obeying claim. Of course a boss and a husband are different.
However, if you've actually watched the video fully you'd know what is meant by hit. It's not "beating".

[thorny steeple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229548849450848267/1336748591053668506/IMG_20250205_205105_185.jpg?ex=67a4efa3&is=67a39e23&hm=6d46ada3bc181027cc9a03f08c431d121fd7c832f93332676f51a9165937342f&

[ancient kraken]

Need to do smthg answering you right after

[ancient kraken]

Yeah not beating

[thorny steeple]

First, i can't remember if the Quran mentioned a toothbrush or something
So they made it by themselves.

Second, you tell me he hits her with a feather because he's angry, a man is not allowed to hit a woman with anything

So stop making excuses and tell me with what they can hit the woman.

[thorny steeple]

"He should hit her"
Read the sentence again.

[west kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[thorny steeple]

Are you male?

[tender vessel]

Although it seems you can't differentiate between "hit" and "beating", referring to 1:39 minute of the video would reveal what is meant: "thus, the goal behind the hitting is not to hurt but to reinforce that he is angry".

How would you beat someone using a Miswak. Be real.

[formal pilot]

💀

[thorny steeple]

This is what they're trying to say
That it's hitting but not in a way that hurts
Bro hitting is hitting

Why are you trying to come up with excuses

If Bible has been changed by people
Quran is the same now

[formal pilot]

John Wick used a pencil

[thorny steeple]

Look how people translate the Quran now

So funny

[flint dove]

in August 2024 we overthrew the Indian occupation government from our land.

We are breaking her, Hasina (Head of the occupation government) in August 2024 we overthrew the Indian occupation government from our land.

We are breaking her father's home now. Right now.
he is the frist fascist in our country. He wanted to be the father's home now. Right now.
he is the frist fascist in our country. He wanted to be the king.

[tender vessel]

Okay. In Islam, it's permissible to hit your wife with a Miswak that doesn't even tickles. Lol.

[thorny steeple]

اضربوهنّ
Means hitting
I can't see that they mentioned how

[flint dove]

We will also break all his statues.

his daughter killed many Muslim scholars

they killed babies

[thorny steeple]

Can you show me the word of misvak in the ayat?

[formal pilot]

I hope you guys get better government now

[thorny steeple]

😂

[flint dove]

they locked people up in hidden cells

all the occupiers of the Muslim lands are extremely cruel.
like Bashar like Indian occupation like US occupation and so on

[thorny steeple]

الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَا أَنفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ فَالصَّالِحَاتُ قَانِتَاتٌ حَافِظَاتٌ لِلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ وَاللَّاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهجرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِن أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا إِنَ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا ﴿۳۴﴾

[flint dove]

i also hope.

[thorny steeple]

I can't understand how Muslims exactly find the word misvak in their tafsir 😂

[ancient kraken]

Women and men are very different so there are gonna have different roles it’s normal, tho it doesn’t mean that women have no right on men, they have a lot… in some situations if the meaning of fairness for you is two person having the same amount of right then it would make no sense, if u want a dumb exemple then : do men have to not pray when they have their rules ? No because a man doesn’t have rules obviously. But I never heard a woman complaining by saying « the men can do more prayers than us it’s unfair » or a man complaining by saying « women can rest more than us it’s unfair »

[ancient kraken]

It’s not « to beat» ik he’s not allowed to beat a woman if the sense means « making blue patches on her skin »

[tender vessel]

I don't need to excuse it. My answer is already unapologetic. It's strictly according to the early Islamic scholars.
They wouldn't hesitate to contend it's beating. At their era, women weren't valued as much. In fact, prior to Islam, many females were being buried alive because in Al-Jāhiliyyah (The Age of Ignorance), which is the time the precedes Islam, Arabs used to believe females are a sign of shame. At that time, men only were the ones entitled of their parent's inheritance, women, in most cases, wouldn't inherit a penny.

So, overall, I don't need to excuse anything, really.

[ancient kraken]

Yeah without hurting it’s as we said

[ancient kraken]

Yeah

Désolé je pense pas pouvoir répondre Mély jai quelques choses à faire mais je te souhaite une bonne soirée

Si j’ai du temps j’essayerai

[thorny steeple]

Look
اضربوهنّ -> hitting is hitting
Now you give me a lot of examples.
I won't accept.
If a man has a wife, she's his wife, right?
Not his slave to obey and if not get hit by him. That's what a right human with any religion can understand.
This ayat doesn't make any sense, that's why I always see Muslims trying to say no no that's not hitting it means another thing
No no that doesn't mean hitting a woman hard, it means with a misvak or something else. How did they get those information?

[flint dove]

I heard scholars talk about it

they have explained it well. check them out

Islam is perfect and Islam doesn't have anything unfare.

I think we should check out what the scholars say and follow the sunnah.

if we think there's something that's violent or unfair then we probably know something wrong or lack the context.

Islam is perfect

[thorny steeple]

Once I asked a Muslim guy,
Why prophet had multiple wives.
He said they were alone and blah blah and the prophet wanted to help them,
I asked so why they were not allowed to get married after prophet's death, they were the same again.
And guess what was his answer?
He blocked me.

[tender vessel]

Let me ask you a question. Qur'an says "وَمَا يَجْحَدُ بِـَٔايَـٰتِنَآ إِلَّا كُلُّ خَتَّار كفورۢ", if I ask you, what does "خَتَّارٍۢ كَفُورٍۢ" means, could you answer it?
I doubt you can without referring to the books of the Mufasreen (Scholars of Arabic and interpretation), which are the books we refer to in order to understand the intent, implication, and context of what is mentioned in Qur'an.

[flint dove]

you should ask a scholar and not a Muslim guy. Our scholars have also answered that question

[thorny steeple]

Show me their answers.

[flint dove]

If you really want to learn then you can easily search online

[flint dove]

you can search online and find their answers.

[thorny steeple]

I have searched enough, haven't got a good answer for that.

[flint dove]

can you show me the answer that you didn't like

[thorny steeple]

Okay but for اضربوهنّ
Go and check
You won't find any translation like what Muslim made by themselves.

[tender vessel]

He also restarts the game in the next movie whenever he dies in on. I've heard there is going to be John Wick chapter 5 movie this year. This man defies reality. Lol.

[thorny steeple]

I said it now, he said it from Google.

[flint dove]

what

[formal pilot]

So yeah miswak can be brutal

[ancient kraken]

@formal pilot why are you laughing at her message ? She’s searching honestly about Islam so help her doing that and make her at ease and don’t make her flee away

[west kiln]

No one will convince anyone. Each one of you has a position you won't give up. This type of conversation often leads to a dead end.

[flint dove]

anyway its all i have to say,, you will not get any more accurate answer from us.

the answers that our scholars wrote are the actual answers. that's it

please stop spreading misinformation about Isiam by asking questions based on out of context info

[grave shoal]

it's the best

[west kiln]

Find the answer yourself, but I welcome everyone and will remain a friend to all, regardless of your religion or beliefs. ❤️

[flint dove]

I always advice people to ask about religion to the expers

[formal pilot]

Misvak made me laugh, I'm sorry

Apparently I've a really great video for her, isfrun suggested it to me

Btw I'm on mely's team here 💀

[tender vessel]

حدثنا إبراهيم بن سعيد الجوهري قال حدثنا ابن عيينة عن ابن جريج عن عطاء قال قلت لابن عباس : ما الضرب غير المبرح قال بالسواك ونحوه
Ibrahim bin Sa'id Al-Jawhari narrated to us, saying: Ibn Uyaynah narrated to us from Ibn Jurayj from Ata' who said: I asked Ibn Abbas, 'What is al-darb ghayr al-mubrih (non-severe beating)?' He replied, 'With a miswak (tooth-stick) or something similar
This passage taken from Tafseer Al-Tabari. He is one of the most, if not the most, prominent Mufasreen. He is also quoting Ib Abbas, who was a companion of the prophet upon him be peace and blessings.

[flint dove]

we are breaking home of the first facist of our country.

He was killed in August 1975 and his daughter fled to India before getting caught in August 2024

[flint dove]

don't answer their questions about Isiam by yourself.

lead them to the scholars. because if we give them any wrong information we will earn sins

[formal pilot]

Flare is really knowledgeable about islam, he loves debating

[flint dove]

let's discuss politics of the Muslim world and the political situation instead of talking directly about religion

[flint dove]

Well it's my advice

[tender vessel]

Don't worry. I'm only quoting and referencing scholars. I'm not a scholar, obviously. I'm aware of your point, though. Thank you very much for this valuable advice. 🤍

[flint dove]

I debated a lot since 2019 on twitter
they all ask the same questions over and over again.

i think most of the people who want to debate Muslims online are not open about learning but they just mostly want to insult or spread their views

[formal pilot]

It's really hard to find democracy in muslim world

[grave shoal]

you debated in English?

[flint dove]

we don't want democracy in the sense that the west wants us to have.

because of this Democracy they always rig our election and we always live without a democracy

[tender vessel]

If John Wick was real, he'd probably break women's hands accidentally while shaking them. Lol.
We should also ban shaking hands.

[flint dove]

Yes

[wet cliff]

Hello friend

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's easier to find a hater than an actual debater

[grave shoal]

i see

[wet cliff]

Hello are you doing

[thorny steeple]

He's not even Muslim

[flint dove]

We have a different kind of handshake that we do with other men. I only saw men doing that handshake and women always hug each other they don't shake hands like us.

Our hand shake includes both hands. we don't shake but we touch like a greeting then we take one hand close to our chest

[thorny steeple]

@formal pilot help me to learn Islam please

[ancient kraken]

Hitting is not hitting the way you understand it sister, trust me understanding the Quran is not that easy.. first of all you don’t even read it in Arabic you shouldn’t try to argue about the word « hitting » you or me can’t read the Quran and understand it, if some scholars Sa’îd that it’s with miswak that they need to hit her don’t you think that it’s because they have more knowledge than us ? It is in fact the problem, we talk without knowledge and so we’re not reaching the same truth in our discussions, just acknowledge the fact that sometimes you don’t have a knowledge about something at the place of turning the fact you lack knowledge as an argument against the scholars (ik you don’t mean to do it). And me i have no knowledge about Islam ik this I don’t want to be a arrogant im just saying that we both are in need of knowledge about Islam if we wanna talk about it. Obviously we can talk about Islam but I’m just telling you to be more aware about the fact you don’t know loads of things

[thorny steeple]

I read in Arabic

[tender vessel]

Aladdin is an atheist. I guess he is of a Muslim background. I'm not sure, though.

[flint dove]

wow you want to learn Isiam. that's great. I wish i knew how to help.

there are 5 pillars of Islam

[thorny steeple]

That was just kidding.

[flint dove]

ooh

[long halo]

Isiam is whay

What

[thorny steeple]

Give me more explanation, that's still hitting.

[flint dove]

Have you looked online for an explanation

[grave shoal]

does blowing air count as hitting with air

[thorny steeple]

Ofc I have done.

[flint dove]

can you share with me what you found

[thorny steeple]

And I got the same answers they're giving.

[thorny steeple]

Just read their explanations, you'll get what I have found before.

[thorny steeple]

Not even related.

[tender vessel]

@formal pilot
By the way, I'm really curious. Why do you call yourself Aladdin?

I remember you used to go with the name that starts with the O and ends with Aladdin. Lol.

[flint dove]

I'll go now but if that's the answer that our scholars gave then that is the answer.

Islam doesn't have any violence or unfairness in it.

I really encourage everyone to search online from the websites of scholars again

because to me... I think researching properly should have given the answer already

i don't understand why not

[manic juniper]

Shadow the Hedgehog

[void arch]

what is going on here

[dense agate]

@dapper laurel @brittle elm kek

[brittle elm]

hehehe oh lord, i was confused why im tagged here

even though this is NOT accurate, im still happy to be on the aryan side 💪💪💪

[dense agate]

a true African-Aryan

[void arch]

Al-Hasan al-Basri said: “This means that it should not cause pain.”

‘Ata said: I said to Ibn `Abbas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwak and the like. [A siwak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Fear Allah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/41199/beating-wife-in-islam

[brittle elm]

nooo, Aryan-Aryan that's it, only portgual and malta are african

[manic juniper]

Why are so many Germans in the Canaries

[dense agate]

sure

[dense agate]

great place for retirement and remote work, plus it's also pretty cheap for them.
germans do love that sunny weather

[manic juniper]

I know only one person from the Canaries and he's half German and half Spanish

[dense agate]

i feel like Canaries would be a lot more interesting if it was it's own state

[manic juniper]

I will retire in that minuscule spot on the Mediterranean Sea

[late remnant]

Hi

[main bison]

I want democracy

[dense agate]

we all know Irish countryside is the best place to retire

[manic juniper]

They don't have snakes 👎🏿 snakes my beloved

[mystic bay]

[main bison]

Miss jeong hii
Why that emoji?

[mystic bay]

nothing

[main bison]

[mystic bay]

I just don't like democracy and was being immature

[main bison]

So u like dictatorship?

Its either a dictatorship or democracy

[mystic bay]

No, not at all

For example, you could have a market situation

[main bison]

So what is your political ideology as someone with PhD?

[mystic bay]

It is formally level and egalitarian, like a democracy, but without no collective decision-making

[mystic bay]

I am a classical liberal

[main bison]

Isn't that democracy

[mystic bay]

Not at all

[main bison]

So who chooses the leader

[mystic bay]

I have argued that democracy is quite incompatible with classical liberalism

[main bison]

R u communist by any chance?
Or markist

[mystic bay]

In principle, classical liberalism allows for leaders, provided that the governed have consented (unanimously) to be governed by that particular person or persons

But, as a matter of historical fact, I find it extremely doubtful that there ever has been such an act of consent

[mystic bay]

No, I am not

[main bison]

U sound like one

[mystic bay]

Classical liberalism is quite opposed to communism

[main bison]

Both are left

[mystic bay]

That is not a very informative mode of classification

Originally, 'left-wing' politics simply stands for radical anti-authoritarianism

It's only subsequently that it came to signify collectivist and revolutionary politics

Classical liberals are individualists and proponents of free trade

[main bison]

Ehh
These are some very hard words

[mystic bay]

sorry

Aren't you American?

[main bison]

I'm not

[mystic bay]

But you are a Trump fan?

[main bison]

Yeah

[main bison]

So it's capitalism

[void arch]

Theocracy is the best

as it is based on objectivity

[main bison]

What is that

[mystic bay]

It depends on what you mean. If you are talking about private property rights and free exchange, then yes. If you are talking about corporate privilege, then no.

[void arch]

Religious system of government

[main bison]

U can't prvenet people from having more

[main bison]

Fuck off
Only one country is being ruled by that and it's mine

[mystic bay]

The word 'capitalism' is inherently ambiguous and I generally do not use it

[void arch]

isn't that consequently leads to corporate privilege

[mystic bay]

Well, the state is the pre-eminent bestower of corporate privilege

That is actually the most sensible critique of capitalism

The state using its power to benefit certain private actors is undoubtedly a problem

But communists and classical liberals have very different ideas about how to handle it

[void arch]

I see.

so do u agree with state monopoly of the economy ?

[mystic bay]

No, I am an anti-statist

[void arch]

Im partly statist

I do consider the role of the government in economy

[ancient kraken]

I thought he was but when did you learn Arabic and why ?

Cheers to you

Sorry for what I said but then it’s weird that you’re arguing on the word « hitting » if you know Arabic

[void arch]

no Aladdin s family is Muslim, he is an ex-Muslim

[ancient kraken]

Ohh okay may Al Hadi guide him and me aswell then

[void arch]

His reasons for quitting the religion seems to be based on past religious experiences maybe from what i see.

[ancient kraken]

Okay Allahu a3lem, sad to hear 😢

[void arch]

Allahu A3lam

Je t'ai vu parler francais ,Est ce que vous êtes francaise ?

[thorny steeple]

20

19

22

21

23

Send your selfies

17

So 23 is considered old?

I was about to say 18 tho

[waxen shale]

Yo is this for real ? The guy is not joking..? because in the past weeks i seen trump tweeting About the cause of war in Afghanistan is israel. Now he
absolutely gonna displace gaza population?

[thorny steeple]

age 69 it sounds great tho

[ashen mortar]

bro is living random

[mystic bay]

What happened to serious chat

It's been desecrated

[dapper laurel]

Rael

[boreal void]

Hi! can anybody help me ?

[tired pilot]

Yeah sure what i can help u with?

[boreal void]

Many American speakers ask questions without do or another auxiliary, for exemple: You know any of them old jokes ? And I don't understand why doesn't have an auxiliary, thank you.

[mystic bay]

Kowalski, analysis

[tired pilot]

I guess that's cause it's way easier when it comes to speaking but that's not grammatically correct

[boreal void]

Is it like "ain't" ? So I should use auxiliary ?

[tired pilot]

Exactly same as ain't you could use whatever u want if you're speaking with normal people that you don't have to use formal english with

[boreal void]

okay I understand, thank you so much

[brittle elm]

Whaaaat?!!, and and im still in europe 💪💪

[tired pilot]

Ur welcome

[dense agate]

Africa will come to you

[waxen shale]

Theres no religious argument Ma'am

[brittle elm]

i will then move to lovely belgium

[void arch]

Look at this paragraph!!!
The author says that a "mature" 8-year-old girl can browse it!
That means at the age of 8 we will teach her about anal and oral sex, lesbianism, prostitution and whoring because she is mature; but of course** if** (i don't support in any way or form that ,just to display the double standards) someone says marry her off she will become an ignorant little girl who does not understand anything and does not comprehend the meaning of marriage and this marriage is a violation of her childhood and innocence.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/childrens-sex-book-guide-controversy-welcome-to-sex-yumi-stynes?fbclid=IwY2xjawIQti9leHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHSv7Nb868G-Pqg8rkzmtMCprd2HnQ3HLy_F9yrDmmgGaPgbHWXL4J7XU7A_aem_a5vjnhe65q5_tL7mkn6wXQ

this kind of book shouldn't be published anyways

[waxen shale]

Where are you from ? If im allowed to know?

[void arch]

MA

[waxen shale]

Where is that?

[void arch]

Morocco

[waxen shale]

Tbh bro. I don't even care anymore. Like this things was bad yeah, but it made trump wins. And now they gonna do the wild thing in Palestine, even worse

But i think we don't really have a choice, no matter who is the leader, no matter how wrong they are. They are gonna destroy gaza

[void arch]

I just came across of that book ,it's weird for me allowing such a content for 8 years old kids.. Imagine allowing this propaganda for 10 years later ,boom!! a complete flawed generations, ppl should take that seriously .Its a war against nature.

anyway was Trump the winner or not ,Israel will always be the spoiled boy of US..
ppl where in front of two bad choices , and Trump played psychology card.

[feral shale]

people used to do revolutions for way less than what happens nowadays

[charred ferry]

Quran 3 103
Hold firmly to the rope/covenant of God, all of you, and do not be disunited. Remember God's blessing upon you when you were enemies and He united your hearts, then you became, with His blessing, brothers; and you were on the verge of a pit of fire and He saved you from it. Thus, God clarifies for you His signs, so that you may be guided.

[charred ferry]

In that case, we say that saying I am Sunni is not accepted as correct in the Quran. Right?

[waxen shale]

Yeah.. i mean good thing is not us that allowing the book right? Its was disgusting for us. But not for them apparently

[void arch]

And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims."
Chapter (41) sūrat fuṣṣilat ayah 33

[void arch]

repeating fake news every time, will became a truth one day.

[waxen shale]

What fake news?

[void arch]

I mean something which not a fact or something wrong.

[waxen shale]

So that book was a fake news ?

[void arch]

just an aphorism

[waxen shale]

Ahh i see

[void arch]

no something which is wrong ..

[waxen shale]

Well its just how things in America.

[void arch]

a very good example of social normalization .

[waxen shale]

They have only two political parties that constantly fighting against eachother in terms of ideology. And the fake news is a product of their conflict.. that book was made by people in the political left. that wants to push the idea.. of identity liberation or some sort.

[waxen shale]

Yes normalizing dragqueen lol

[void arch]

I believe that book was published in the UK , but i don't have any idea of the US. altho i won't be amazed if it was published there.

[waxen shale]

Well its the same. Only different name

Conservative party and labour party and im pretty sure that theres a book like that in US that was made a controversy.

[torpid dirge]

8 yrs old girl ? how can she be mature?

[restive zodiac]

samar sorry for that yesterday

it was very rude

[torpid dirge]

Sorry for what ?

[thorny steeple]

[restive zodiac]

when u asked about the car where was heading

then i respond

[torpid dirge]

Ohhh but as far as I know u had dlt that masg instantly

[void arch]

not me who is saying that .the publisher says that.

[restive zodiac]

i just want to say sorry ,it was heavy to not apologize

i slept feeling ashamed

[torpid dirge]

It's okay man I'm not that kind of person who will get angry on this type of thing's stay hard

[torpid dirge]

Who's author of this book then ?

[void arch]

here

[void arch]

that first picture

[torpid dirge]

But it was first published in Britain

[void arch]

yes, and i did not say the opposite .

[torpid dirge]

But fun fact of this book's published by australian doc and Australian feminist , mellissa kang , yumi sentas

[void arch]

Dr makes it more valid

[icy bane]

There is more to Trump's win than just "that" (you refer to 'this' vaguely).

[lunar oak]

Hello what are u talking about?

[charred ferry]

The Nomads said: "We believe." Say: "You have not believed; but you should say: 'We have submitted', for belief has not yet entered into your hearts." If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.

It felt like a related verse

[waxen shale]

Well ofc. But this is was one of the causes

[icy bane]

As in, he had more loyalists of him due to having a whole presidency and an additional eight years to grow them... but also, Kamala Harris was frankly unheard of until Joe Biden dropped out and Harris ran for presidency (mind you, she only had a limited amount of time to do this even). Kamala Harris being unheard of until then is not her fault though, as a Vice President is virtually useless (his or her main job is to take over presidency in case of the POTUS being "unable to perform" (such as in the case of the death of a President)).

And, I dare say that her campaign was not compelling enough... I think her celebrity endorsements in a time where people are becoming more distant from celebrities were a faulty choice, and even if that former is not a whole bit of true, it surely made her ingenuous among many. AND dare I say that this may or may not have been a coincidence in regards to her not only being a woman, but a person of colour. I think that fact can speak some volumes as to what the mass Americans think even in this century (is it a coincidence that Hilary Clinton also lost? or does the Democratic Party have yet to nurture someone to the likes of Trump in terms of his (somehow) charm and charisma over many?)

Some of this I purposefully include to get a conversation going, and I try to speak for all sides.

[waxen shale]

Maybe they made the fake news that said.. Leftists teach kids weird things in school

[charred ferry]

But the fact that Democrats think America is just California and do something evil like a trans child has caused a backlash among voters. This is a fact.

[torpid dirge]

Should've ban asap

[icy bane]

This kind of propoganda pushed by the far right confuses me, so I can agree with this to some extent

Considering that a lot of Americans these days refuse to think for themselves and find getting their news from Musk-owned Twitter speaks a lot (and look at the majority of Twitter users nowadays...)

[charred ferry]

I don't think it was about the campaign. Trump didn't win, Democrats lost.

Leftism is losting a lot of country

[charred ferry]

Argentina is Ancap/Liberterian/Right Anarchist at the moment

[icy bane]

I disagree, as while the Democratic Party obviously dominates California due to cities within the state like Los Angeles, it also dominates the northeast United States

Also, transgender as a topic is complex within itself, and I feel like including this just extends this discussion even further

[void arch]

it quite important to know that someone calling himself Sunni is not haram or something ,as Sunna means to follow the Prophet and Salaf Asaleh.

[icy bane]

No shit the Democrats lost in this election, but I dunno what you think you're saying by "Trump didn't win" as if he isn't America's President as we speak xD

[waxen shale]

The muslim sphere labels kamala as an Aipac members

[icy bane]

He won fair and square

[charred ferry]

It fills me with "awe" that there are people who think like you.

[icy bane]

I dunno if I'd go as far as to say that, as most people are not extremely political on both sides of the spectrum, and lean more towards one or the other, however, as I stated before, Trump's win (as with any presidential election) had a combination of influences

[void arch]

thats the saying of the Scholars not me.

[charred ferry]

Trump's role is small in this election. RFK Jr or Elon Musk would have won if they were candidates. I think many Americans are uncomfortable with the Biden administration. Especially young people who use social media. Or I am being deceived by the news that portrays the American people in a biased way. You tell me, isn't that right, American youth?

[charred ferry]

I hope you don't put scholars in the same category as "saints".

[waxen shale]

How about sufi ?

[icy bane]

I mean, we are not speaking statistically... only from personal experiences... and as an American teenager, I find there to be a split in regards to political parties, however the youth will obviously trend towards the left socially

[void arch]

Tasawuf is not Islam.

[icy bane]

From what I can tell, many people seriously hate Elon Musk xD I dunno about that one... but like I said before, with how many Twitter users there are who blindly believe everything they see on there, it is not impossible in any hypothetical situation that Musk could win... and that speaks more volumes about the state of education in the United States.

[charred ferry]

Tasawuf is pagan and panteist

Or panentheist

[icy bane]

But Trump's role is definitely significant, as you are comparing a man with eight years' of loyalty to a Black woman who was seriously unknown to most Americans before Biden dropped out - this is significant in election outcome

Many already had in their minds months YEARS before this election who they would vote for (Trump)

And Biden dropping out made Trump's chances of winning even greater than before

[lunar oak]

In the united states or all the youth to "the left socially"?

[charred ferry]

İ seen alot of communist teens defend palestine. Should I have said left-wing parties instead of abandoning leftism?

[icy bane]

What?

I am speaking in regards to the U.S., as this topic is really about American politics

[icy bane]

I mean, I assume you want Palestine to be defended, no?

And sure, I understood what you meant

[charred ferry]

For years, the technology and science media (supported by the left) has been running an Elon Musk campaign. If you say that this has disappeared in 2 years, it seems very strange to me. People (usually) continue to blindly defend those they idolize, as far as I know.

[charred ferry]

No i am anarchist

[icy bane]

Surely, and you can see that in real time with Trump

[waxen shale]

Well the dhikr itself its not harram. But where does the part where is tasawuf actually forbidden? Or it just an innovation?

[lunar oak]

Ok. I recently arrived so I dont understand what you are talking completely about

[icy bane]

I mean, Elon Musk was popular even before he owned Twitter or was in Trump's presidential campaign

[charred ferry]

I do not accept war except defensive wars, I do not defend states, as a Muslim I do not defend Hamas blindly, but to be objective I do not deny the genocide. İ am not 2d person.

[icy bane]

He owned(s) SpaceX

So Elon Musk surely has loyalists

[lunar oak]

Why are you anarchist?

[charred ferry]

Cause tax is theift

[icy bane]

However, not all of those who are within the technology industry or who are scientists stand with him, and I could imagine that to be especially so after his involvement alongside Trump

[charred ferry]

İ dont defend theift

[waxen shale]

Thats what the socially left actually thinks. They don't just like hamas.

[icy bane]

That is true too

[charred ferry]

From what I've seen, the surgeon has become hated in left-wing communities like the engineer

[lunar oak]

I agree but I believe that "the state" is not the problem. The problem is "the use" of the state

[icy bane]

Are you relating this back towards transgender?

[void arch]

dhikr collectively is bidaa but individually is not , in Figh maliki .they allowed reciting Quran collectively but it was for specific purposes as local people they weren't educated about Arabic so was hard to memorize Qurann individually .
why Tassawuf is Bidaa ? Simply bcz wasn't in the time of the prophet nor the salf did it.

[charred ferry]

Institutions should not be taken as basis, individuals and events are important. If someone from Hamas rapes someone, he is a pervert. These conditions also apply to Israeli soldiers. Blaming people's immorality on that civilization is too general.

[icy bane]

It seems that is what you're implying, given your statements regarding transgender earlier

And, like I told you before - it would be foolish to believe all leftists just agree simply with transgender and that involving children, when I would argue that majority do not

[charred ferry]

No i relating Elon Musk's nazi salute

[icy bane]

There are certain restrictions regarding what the left want, as far as I can tell

[icy bane]

How so? And why? (Elaborate)

[charred ferry]

My friends hate this move. Then he is supporter of elon musk

he is hater at the moment

[lunar oak]

Do you agree with transgender people?

[icy bane]

I mean, you can love a person but hate certain things they do

I never really liked Elon Musk, and this move makes me feel just how I did before - I am pretty indifferent in regards to him

[charred ferry]

Transgender should be legal. But i dont support trans child legallty

İ dont support circumcision. circumcision havent in Quran.

[icy bane]

However, I find that his involvement with the AfD in Germany to be questioned and a tad concerning

[icy bane]

What?

[lunar oak]

I believe that it could be legal but only in medical cases

[icy bane]

How does that relate to transgender? It is a very common procedure, at least in the Western World

And majority of circumcisions happen for newborn baby boys

[charred ferry]

Actually, maybe her opinion has changed since she took part in the Republican campaign, but I've seen that change in the last week.

[charred ferry]

What what?

[icy bane]

I think transgenders should have the same rights just as cisgenders, however it is quite sad that there are monsters within that community who want to use this as an advantage for their disgusting fantasies, which might I add, are a minority, but still should be raised to the surface.

[charred ferry]

There is an argument in practical ethics right now. If trans children are child abuse, then circumcision is also child abuse.

[lunar oak]

bro, are you American? What do you think about inmigrans?

[icy bane]

I don't think so - circumcisions are done (with regards to males) in order to protect/prevent things like STD's or infections

So I would not call that abuse

[charred ferry]

And i said again. Trans child not transgender. Many people say they would vote for Trump because of the trans child law.

[charred ferry]

I know

[waxen shale]

Hes from Morocco

[icy bane]

I do think there should be an age limit for these children seeking them. Then again, I do sympathise with these kids and their dysphoria, of which you and I will never quite understand.

[charred ferry]

I am turk and i am not nationalist i support syrians

[icy bane]

"Trans child law"?

[charred ferry]

İ dont believe closed borders i support anarchy open borders

[waxen shale]

I thought you were at the same place as ayoub

[charred ferry]

those federals were said to have broken into the house

[icy bane]

?

I am supposed to be developing an argument about the French Revolution, though here I am writing on Discord xD I don't mind though, of course

I am still writing quite a lot, so it is what it is

[charred ferry]

approved by the governor of ca

[icy bane]

What are you even talking about now?

[icy bane]

Might I add - I am not quite educated on this exact topic, so how I speak about it is quite limited

I only speak from my morals and experience in terms of this, really

[charred ferry]

California Becomes the First State to Ban Student Gender Notification Policies. Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill that prevents educators from having to notify parents if their child asks to switch names or pronouns. A year after school boards in California emerged as unlikely culture war battlegrounds, Gov

[lunar oak]

How does security work in an anarchist society?

[charred ferry]

I don't know the unseen.

[icy bane]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/us/gender-identity-bill-california.html#:~:text=A year after school boards,law was applauded by L.G.B.T.Q - You are quoting this article; let's read this whole thing, shall we?

[charred ferry]

But i have a argument that there is nothing to prevent anarchy from supporting.

[icy bane]

It is a good habit to not just read news articles, as they are meant to be captivating

[lunar oak]

Tell me

[charred ferry]

İ dont understand. İf you are refuse me pls give me argument

[charred ferry]

İ going to send quotes in iep

[icy bane]

That is an example as to why

The article is meant to particularly captivate conservatives.. as it seems.. into thinking that this law gives minors the complete freedom to changing their legal name and gender, when in reality, parents still have the right to grant their child permission in any scenario as such.

[icy bane]

I think this is fair

[charred ferry]

Anarchy Will Always Evolve Back into the State

Objection: This objection holds that anarchism is inherently unstable. Hobbes and other early modern social contract theories maintain that the state emerges as a necessary response to natural anarchy which keeps order and protects our interests. A different theory comes from Nozick, who argues that the “night-watchman state” would emerge out of anarchy by an invisible hand process: as people will exercise their liberty and purchase protection from a protection agency, which would eventually evolve into something like a minimal state.
Reply: Anarchists may argue that the state of nature is simply not a state of war and so that Hobbes’s description is false. Some anarcho-primitivists will argue that things were much better for human beings in the original state of nature in small communities living close to the land. Other anarchists might argue that the disadvantages of state organizations—the creation of hierarchies, monopolies, inequalities, and the like—simply outweigh the benefits of state structures; and that rational agents would choose to remain in anarchy rather than allow the state to evolve. Some anarchists may argue that each time a state emerges, it would have to be destroyed. But others will argue that education and human development (including technological development) would prevent the reemergence of the state

[charred ferry]

İ dont like this reply I will make my own argument. Even if states are always inclined to leave, if this is the ethically correct attitude, we should always reject the state. In short, we should not look at it consequentially.

[charred ferry]

Sometimes you have limited authority over your body and property. There is a laws in my country i dont know but might be it in america. sözleşmelerin bağlayıcılığı. Means if you said "My brother and I signed a contract. My brother can kill me." You will be arrested and your contract not legal. I do this because I have this principle regarding suicide, euthanasia, abortion and trans children. We are not the lords of the human body, we are not completely sovereign.

If we are talking about a child's body, I don't care about family approval most of the time. If it harms the child, xanax, white wine or smoke(used in some treatments) should not be taken with family approval in most cases.

[icy bane]

Hava koşullarına maruz kalan açık bir yaranın içinde yatıyorum; soğuk ve dokunulduğunda hassas. Aynı şekilde bu soğuk, beton zemin de yatağımın sıcaklığına dönüştü: Yerde uyumayı o taş gibi sert, ince yastıklı, ince çarşaflı karyoladan daha iyi buluyorum. Dış dünyaya sadece bir parça ışık var, o da sadece güneş batıya düştüğünde öğleden sonrayı aydınlatıyor. Yazın daha fazla aydınlattığına eminim. Hangi mevsimde olduğumu asla söyleyemem - tek göstergem gecenin ne kadar durgun olduğu. Yaz her zaman gürültülü ağustos böcekleri getirir, kış ise bir fare kadar sessizdir. Günlerin ne kadar uzadığına bakarak mevsimin kış sonu ya da en erken ilkbahar başı olduğuna inanmak istiyorum. Bu hücre genellikle karanlık, bir zindan gibi; ancak gözlerim karanlığı sevmeye başladı. Garip bir şekilde, geceleri gündüzden daha aydınlık buluyorum, bu yüzden geceye değer veriyorum. Duvardaki o yarıktan arada bir parlak bir ayın parladığını görüyorum. Yüzümü solgunlukla ısıtıyor: beyaz ışık.

[waxen shale]

What?

[waxen shale]

Are you turkish too why you speak in Turkish?

[charred ferry]

Orhan Pamuk?

[charred ferry]

İ dont know but this text is storytelling

Look like in a particular of novel

[icy bane]

Tanrı yaşıyor! Sihir devam ediyor!

[charred ferry]

Harry potter?

[waxen shale]

What is she on about?

[icy bane]

I am actually just translating something I have written in English before, however upon further research, I am intruiged with this author!

This seems to be some Turkish poet? Shall I check him out sometime? I like reading.

[charred ferry]

Allah is alive and magice is countine

[waxen shale]

This is freaky

[icy bane]

I translated from English as "God is alive! Magic is afoot!" 😭

[charred ferry]

Tanrı means god Allah means Allah in turkish

[icy bane]

I see.

[charred ferry]

İ dont use God for Allah

[icy bane]

This is the original text.

[charred ferry]

Orhan Pamuk defend Amerian Genocide

İ defend too

[charred ferry]

Means kınamak

It doesn't seem right

Defend had absurd choose for telling It doesn't seem right.

[lethal sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX4cMUxm9KY

[icy bane]

Kannst du Deutsch?

[charred ferry]

My level of English is not enough to take the literary pleasure in this text. If I knew the difference between rock and hard, I would like this dichotomy, but it sounds like rock and rock to me right now.

[icy bane]

😭

I translated the text into Turkish before, so you are good.

[charred ferry]

Ich jahre ault funfhzehn

[charred ferry]

Rock means hard. Hard means rock. They are same

[icy bane]

Freut mich, dich kennenzulernen! Ich heiße Jay.

[charred ferry]

Let's see maybe it will happen.

[charred ferry]

Guten tag too

[icy bane]

Rock-hard is just used to describe something extremely hard to the likes of a rock

In this case, I describe the pillow to that of a rock

[charred ferry]

Kaya gibi sert

Hard like rock

Turkish idioms

[icy bane]

Kannst du wirklich Deutsch, oder...?

[charred ferry]

İ cant speak deutsch

[icy bane]

Ich habe viele Türken getroffen, die Deutsch können

Ah okay, I have met so many Turks who speak German so

[charred ferry]

İ know weight in german

[icy bane]

Wiegen...?

[charred ferry]

Thick

[icy bane]

As in the verb?

What

[charred ferry]

Male sexual....

Means thick

[icy bane]

Ah, yes. It is blocked here.

Ein dicker Mann

[charred ferry]

In German class, everyone was showing each other how to say "thick" or biology mayosis topics bla bla bla

[icy bane]

Ein dicker Mann liest dem dicken Mann einen dicken Roman vor.

A fat man reads a fat novel to the fat man.

[charred ferry]

For example 6 like sex

[icy bane]

Here, I show the nominative, accusative, and dative cases.

[icy bane]

??

[charred ferry]

Speaking

Si(e)x

[icy bane]

Blauäugig jo?

Under kindisch

In welcher Klasse bist du?

[charred ferry]

Ubbermanch undermanch

Das kant

Rammstein

[icy bane]

Äähh, du hast früher gesagt dass du fünfzehn Jahre alt bist, also... das macht Sinn

[charred ferry]

America is wundebar

Are you german?

Or do you like german music

[icy bane]

Amerika ist wunderbar*

And I am not xD

We should probably go back to #🧊｜chill-chat btw

It was nice talking to you nonetheless

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/bean-the-dynamite-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-the-fighters-knuckles-knuckles-the-echidna-gif-16957754538015789805

[charred ferry]

İ wonder do you know analytical philosophy

[thorny steeple]

The One most popular games in 90s

[charred ferry]

Mario bros

[manic juniper]

That would be in the 80s

[charred ferry]

1985-2000

[manic juniper]

In the 90s it's Doom

By the early 2000s it's GTA San Andreas

[charred ferry]

Pc gaming was dead in 90s

[manic juniper]

Doom didn't come out on PC only

[thorny steeple]

I did play it when i was 9- or 10

[charred ferry]

It is might be not in snes cause i dont play ever.

[manic juniper]

It came out on the Saturn and PS1

[charred ferry]

İ was 4-5

[thorny steeple]

alright i gonna play game

[thorny steeple]

no more ravenclaw

i think i will play silent hill2

[flint dove]

A newspaper dating back 55 years with the headline of Israel’s attempt to ethnically cleanse Gaza:

“The depopulation of the Gaza Strip has begun”

Nothing remains of these attempts except this headline as a sign of their failure.

[GG]

[thorny steeple]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS6EqaKnG/

[formal pilot]

It just rhymes with my previous offensive username "osam billaden 💣"

[feral river]

They must evacuate Gaza Strip and President Trump will help them and Israel will also cooperate with such moves for a better future to people who live in such a miserable place

And egypt or jordan is probably gonna be responsible for them

[flint dove]

During Al Nakba they left the villages with the keys of their homes hoping they'd return after Jewish armed groups started attacking them. they couldn't return.

even if trump didn't say Palestinians will not be allowed to return it'd be just meaningless to leave because it's obvious

[peak summit]

Is friendship a human necessity or just a luxury?

[stable edge]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

heyy

[simple imp]

@thorny steeple @stable edge wassup guys

[stable edge]

Yoo sup buddy

[simple imp]

friendship is considered a human necessity, as it plays a crucial role in overall well-being, mental health, and longevity, meaning it's not just a luxury; having strong social connections through friends is vital for a fulfilling life.

[simple imp]

Bored again 😑

[stable edge]

Ohh why

[simple imp]

Nothing to do fr

[stable edge]

Oh no so you are in home

[simple imp]

Yess 😉

[stable edge]

Thats nicenyou Can play

[simple imp]

Play what?

[stable edge]

Games

[simple imp]

Aah i am so tired to play that fr

[stable edge]

Oh nooo i am in school so i cant play

[simple imp]

Lol,

When your school will end?

[stable edge]

In 1 Pm

Why

[simple imp]

Just asking

So what's the time there rn?

[stable edge]

10 am i from eu

[simple imp]

Ik that , you told me yesterday 😒

[stable edge]

Okay nvm

[simple imp]

Lol 😆

[stable edge]

Yes

[simple imp]

Mhm

[stable edge]

Okay chill

[tidal thorn]

Cool name

[stable edge]

Yes buddy

[lethal sparrow]

https://youtu.be/7yhMpwSYKlc

[feral river]

They have to leave, not for everyone but for themselves

And I believe a new Gaza Strip either under the United States or Israel will become more prosperous than ever

[main bison]

RYAN GOSLING

[simple imp]

Lol

What this means?

[tidal thorn]

🤔

[tender vessel]

What! Why is Aladdin muted?

[void arch]

hhhhhhhh

[void arch]

for this maybe

[tender vessel]

Hmmmm...

[feral river]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kK4JbDFDHKA?si=BQi3BDmECfKN690Z

War on space is the future

[rose eagle]

I was scammed for 20 USD on the internet and I really tried every method such as reporting to the bank and the police but it didn't work.

😭

[prisma cipher]

Because you stupid, they don't pay back for your stupidity

[rose eagle]

yea

this is really bad advice

I understand why online fraud is increasing

[prisma cipher]

For us it Ukrainian scammers

But it local story

Problem is, they speak the same language, don't care about Russian, Russian law don't work for them.

[rose eagle]

Scammers only need to trick many people, each person 20 USD and he is already rich, it is too easy to make money.

[prisma cipher]

They might targeting one rich person or wast of ordinary people, it depends

[rose eagle]

The law probably won't be able to do anything to them, because each victim will simply have the mentality of "why not report it to the police, this amount of money is too small for them to handle".

[rose eagle]

Although it's not very related, I remember a year ago my friend boasted that he had 120 USD from defrauding children on social networks by luring them into buying game skins at bargain prices.

Perhaps online fraud is easier and less dangerous than I thought

[prisma cipher]

Yea some parents also stupid, because give their kids free money.

It not kids stupid it his parents, he just a child

[rose eagle]

and scammers too

[prisma cipher]

Why scammers stupid they just don't care

[rose eagle]

i didn't say what i meant clearly, i mean their parents are also at fault and the scammer is also at fault in this story

[burnt surge]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

the next refugee flood is waiting for europeans

the criminal rates will definitely rise

[wooden tapir]

Hey guys , I'm new , and I want make friends, anyone interested

[thorny steeple]

u should learn how to differ between refugee and immigrants 👍🏻

btw im not a racist its my own opinion and since i live in europe i know what i am talking about mr. knowledge

u should visit major cities in europe to experience a real failed integration

[shy summit]

Maybe you should learn that a first generation migrant also includes refugees.,

[thorny steeple]

refugees who flee from an active warzone tend more to pursue criminal activities

[shy summit]

The reason Europe fails is due to a combination of socioeconomic reasons

Not actually true its poverty that is the greatest indicator

[thorny steeple]

I would suggest you milano/italy to see the truth . for instance on new years event in front of the cathedral

go and search it up on twitter

[shy summit]

Failed integration occurs when you absorb that population into extremely concentrated areas

This exacerbates poverty

The smaller nature of European states makes this harder to avoid. Thus why other countries are far better at it

[thorny steeple]

which countries lmao

all european countries are subjected to the same shit

this lil boy is filled with anger issues in his life

[peak summit]

Good

[shy summit]

Cooked

[simple imp]

Yupp

[simple imp]

Fr

[main bison]

Is ur pfp Jesus

[flint dove]

Palestinians don't agree. They said no. We don't have any authority over them

[manic juniper]

Desires without enforcement are toilet paper

[shrewd cairn]

Impactful

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately, cultures that are too different are difficult to integrate

I am sorry that many people think that the integration of refugees is possible

[shrewd cairn]

Sbout what :0

[mortal depot]

Nah

[slender coral]

It's not really about being too different, it's about being oppressive. Cultures that are very oppressive is difficult to integrate in the west as a result of how citizens of western countries tend to have much freedom. That's how I see it at least.

[thorny steeple]

human rights without enforcement are toilet paper

[thorny steeple]

your pfp is Holy Warrior

[mortal depot]

Umm Yes

[thorny steeple]

yeah

enforcement without dignity, democracy, human rights are toilet paper

[main bison]

IT WAS HIM DONT LIE

[mortal depot]

No it isn't

[mortal depot]

It's not Jesus

[main bison]

IT WAS

[mortal depot]

It's not bruv

[thorny steeple]

it is a knight warrior? take off the mask maybe IT WAS HIM

😂

[dapper laurel]

I don't believe in defining oppressive cultures, because it's illogical, they're just different. The differences are difficult to bridge when people who profess a certain culture don't recognize or despise the state in which they live. We have been told that integration is possible, but apparently the reality is different, even socially progressive countries struggle to integrate small groups of refugees or migrants, integration is a failed process after all

[slender coral]

What is a non fundamentalist/fanatical group that face integration difficulties in progressive countries?

Take Arabs for example. Most non Muslim Arabs integrate without problems.

[dapper laurel]

In Sweden, second-generation immigrants who study for free, often have tax advantages and live in taxpayer-paid housing, are often affiliated with gangs or criminal groups. Sweden, despite the best of intentions, failed with that scum, and we see the results today

[dapper laurel]

This is not a valid example, Islam is a prominent part of Arab culture, if you cancel that part, you eliminate almost all cultural barriers

Although religion is not always the fundamental part of every culture

[slender coral]

It certainly is, and canceling it certainly eliminate almost all cultural barriers. That's why Arab non-Muslims are easy to integrate.

[dapper laurel]

Are they willing to give up their religion and identity?

[slender coral]

This is what ChatGPT says about this. If this is true, it's more of a socio-economic problem rather than integration problem.

The issue of crime involving immigrants in Sweden is a complex and sensitive topic. There are several factors that contribute to this perception, though it's important to approach it with nuance. One factor is socioeconomic disparities, where immigrants, especially those from marginalized backgrounds, might face challenges in accessing education and employment opportunities. This can sometimes lead to higher crime rates in certain communities.

Another aspect is integration issues, which can affect how well immigrants are able to adapt to Swedish society. Integration involves language proficiency, cultural understanding, and acceptance into local communities, all of which can influence social cohesion and crime rates.

[slender coral]

We have some level of diversity, not everyone in the Arab world is Muslim to begin with.

[dapper laurel]

The famous socio-economic problems

[slender coral]

Can you imagine that having a part of your society with less opportunities can make them commit more crime? Crazy shit.

[dapper laurel]

They have all the means to be Swedish citizens like others. Preferring crime despite the aid of a state like Sweden is just disappointing, as it is disappointing to try to defend criminals

[slender coral]

Idk much about this. Could you provide sources instead of throwing claims around?

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_in_Sweden

[slender coral]

Many immigrants struggle to find jobs due to language barriers, lack of education, or discrimination.
Some neighborhoods with high immigrant populations have become socially isolated, with fewer economic opportunities.
This lack of integration can lead to frustration and, in some cases, involvement in crime.
Some reports suggest that crime rates are higher among certain immigrant groups, particularly in relation to gang violence and organized crime.
However, others argue that socioeconomic factors, not ethnicity or immigration itself, are the real cause of crime.
The Swedish government and media often debate how to handle crime statistics and whether immigration plays a direct role.
Right-wing parties argue that Sweden’s immigration policies have failed and demand stricter controls.
Left-wing parties focus on improving integration and reducing economic inequality rather than restricting immigration.
International media sometimes exaggerates the situation, making it seem worse than it is, while Swedish media is often cautious in reporting on the topic.

[dapper laurel]

You may notice that college is free too, so I don't understand how financial hardship can prevent them from being effective members of society

[dapper laurel]

The so-called language barriers can be easily avoided with education, which is free. Discrimination would not exist if they integrated. They say the reasons for their discomfort, but no one reflects on the causes of these reasons

[limber grotto]

bip-bop

[slender coral]

mhm

I guess I need to read about this before forming an opinion on it.

[tender vessel]

Cultural cringe (cultural inferiority complex).

[slender coral]

It's not an inferiority complex, it's just true.

[tender vessel]

Sure.

[slender coral]

I'm not a part of his dumb backward culture and he considers inferiority complex to just state a fact. I'm not Muslim.

[manic juniper]

Depends on other factors, Belarusians integrate well and they come from the only dictatorship in Europe

[slender coral]

That just proves my point, that Islamic culture is the problem not the ethnic groups.

[manic juniper]

Perhaps it has more to do with the demographics more than anything else, most Belarusian immigrants are students more often than not

[manic juniper]

Maybe 🤔 I don't know enough Muslim and Christian immigrants to form an opinion on it

Many of the Muslims that immigrate to the EU are from Turkey which is almost as religious as Romania (a lot, but not much compared to the rest of the Middle East), there are Albanians and Bosniaks too and those aren't very religious overall

They're just nationalistic

[manic juniper]

It takes a ridiculously long time

[elder seal]

Sure - Except if we look at Sweden's neighbour, even after controlling for socioeconomic factors, most non-western groups are still around 100% more criminal than average. To use those from Lebanon as an example - When controlling for age and socioeconomic factors, they remain 140% more criminal than the average male population

for their children, that's around 253% more criminal

[main bison]

President Trump just posted that he wants all People in Gaza to be moved to another place

[elder seal]

These assumptions hold very little precedence - Chinese are less criminal; they have language barriers. Many of them hardly even speak the language. Yet they're substantially less criminal than the average population. If we should suspect this to be the cause, why is it that nonwestern immigrants, specifically of near-eastern countries become more criminal with generation, and not less, as this position should suspect

as for source: https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/nyheder-analyser-publ/Publikationer/VisPub?cid=52300

Also, the claim that it's a matter of religion is spurious - While religious does associate with a certain cultural denomination, it's suspect on basis of how the culture of middle eastern immigrants has "evolved," or "devolved," depending on perspective, in Europe. Many are strictly materialistic, often do activities that are outside, and outright condemned by Islam and often appropriate the gang-culture of the americas within a european context. This is exemplified by a trend known "Talahon" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talahon

The point here being it's a spurious assertion on the basis that those traits associated with crime are often committed by those with a highly secularized relationship to Islam and religion in general

[lime cobalt]

I see that the Arabs don't really care about Palestine.they refuse to accept refugees. Besides, what are the Palestinians doing there? Their food relies on aid, there is no clean water, and all the buildings have turned into rubble—total hypocrites.

This is very complex, but at least someone is taking concrete action, not just providing aid that ends up being used to buy weapons instead of food. War is expensive, Palestine won't be able to sustain it without financial aid.

[velvet thicket]

The Jewish people of Europe most went back to Palestine/Isreal, even though there was a society already built; where islam rules. Now why would they? Cause it’s their religious land, just like the Palestinian that is there land

It isn’t crazy to say one wants to live in the land of their prophets, and/or grandparents.

[velvet thicket]

Yes, weapons are bad. Yes, aid should be going INTO the right place. No, kicking them out is a valid option..

[shy summit]

Yeah Trump admitting to wanting to aid in ethnic cleansing is why he’s getting impeached for a third time.

[lament warren]

BTW, If anyone want custom OC at any style or any type of art work or animion2D/3D DM me

[lime cobalt]

you just didn’t like Trump from the start, you’re not seeing this objectively.

[feral shale]

third time? I wasn't aware of two Trump impeachments

when did it happen?

[lime cobalt]

What is your opinion on Hamas? Well, since the USA is concerned about terrorism and Hamas has been labeled a terrorist organization since 1997, they want to reduce its influence. We don't know what the mindset of the new generation there is.

By taking control of Gaza, the U.S. could reduce Hamas' influence.

[flint dove]

The Palestinians don't want to leave Palestine.

[thorny steeple]

they want to expand israels land lil bro

[flint dove]

USA is the reason why the world didn't have peace for so long

we'd like that to change.

Take away weapons from USA

throw it away destroy them

[thorny steeple]

they want to send the 2.1 million palestianias to egypt but i dont think that they are willing to have them in their country

no one wants another refugee flood

[flint dove]

doesn't matter. Palestinians made it clear that they will not leave

[thorny steeple]

and its also their right to stay

[flint dove]

The Palestinians are different

people from my country run away

[thorny steeple]

which country r u from

[flint dove]

just because the economy is getting bad

[thorny steeple]

maybe because they are exposed to war since they were born

or suppression

they want to create a greater israel

and trump is netanyahus lil dog who is listening to him

[flint dove]

Bangladesh.
We just fought against the Indian occupation government and gained freedom in 5th of August 2024 but if we faced something like the Palestinians did and if we were offered a different place for living then I think we'd just take the offer. Maybe Maybe not

currently I'm thinking i wouldn't take the offer but I'm not sure if id have the same mentality after facing hunger and so much sufferings

[thorny steeple]

maybe its harder for your people cuz nobody heightens awareness for them

its also the same for the ugyhurs who suffer in china

[flint dove]

we haven't faced anything like the Palestinians faced

[thorny steeple]

no arab will say anything about it

[flint dove]

while we did get killed for opposing Indian occupation but not a genocide like in Gaza

whenever we used to discuss politics we used to do it securely behind closed doors.

[manic juniper]

Wasn't there a genocide in Bangladesh that Pakistanis did

[flint dove]

and talking about it online is just unimaginable

[lime cobalt]

Sure, this is just an option if they agree. But the problem is, I don't know their mindset. Are they being indoctrinated to live only to kill Jews? I think this effort is to reduce that doctrine and help them forget about the war for a while.

[flint dove]

I'm not aware of a genocide. We did face feminine in 1974 and that killed way more than the war killed

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide

[flint dove]

the Pakistani army attacked us suddenly idk what they thought they'd get from it. We are surrounded by India. They took the opportunity and got inside Bangladesh to fight Pakistan.

[flint dove]

The leader claimed that 3 million people were killed but we all say he said 3 million out of mistake while he wanted to say 3 lakh. because they found about 2 lakh deaths

but later the number 3 million was pushed

[thorny steeple]

wtf

[flint dove]

after 1971 we lived freely for only a few years and then again we went under Indian occupation several timee and then now we are living freely for 6 months.

We couldn't oppose their words. Several people were arrested for saying 3 million Bangladeshis didn't die. no way

[lime cobalt]

I think America brings world peace, a realistic peace that means, at least, no war. With its power, which was above average at the time, it made enemies hesitant to seek revenge and helped rebuild destroyed countries through the Marshall Plan, earning respect from adversaries. This is unlike World War I, which left lingering hatred in Germany that eventually led to a new war.

[flint dove]

That's so one sided

America came into our country and wanted our gas

They couldn't get our gas

they ended up burning the gas reserve

America brought nothing but wars.

I must take a screenshot of your text

do you not know about Iraq iran Afghanistan Vietnam and many more

[thorny steeple]

do you know how many people had to suffer because of america? tf r u talking

[flint dove]

America is this country that acts like a mad man because they have weapons not realizing the people they are Killing will tatget them

[flint dove]

He talks like the whole world is only America and only Americans are humans