🧠｜serious-chat

[merry ruin]

Well, the Discord ToS is Liberal leaning soo I can't really speak against it. Go back to your ego fluffing rainbow display name.

[languid plover]

why are you so inflamatory holy shit

i guarantee you it's not because he's afraid of getting banned, it's cause he can't back up his claims

[nimble moon]

the ToS is literally like dont be racist guys

[shy summit]

I’m sorry to hear that. If you change your mind or if you ever need to talk my DMs are open.

[merry ruin]

Oh, I can. But I won't, because I don't owe you anything.

[languid plover]

ssure buddy

[nimble moon]

dodged a bullet there..

phew

[shy summit]

Hey if they don’t wanna talk about it, its fine.

[languid plover]

my issue isn't that, my issue is 'le liberal discord tos'

[shy summit]

Regardless of their reasons they don’t want to discuss it. No need to force engagement

[languid plover]

theres a guy we were talking to that said he'd rather be backstabbed by a jew than be gay
now i won't comment on the implications of that message, but i will say that if he feels he can't say that they're indoctrinating children, i don't believe it's from ToS

and at that ill leave it

[dense agate]

huh? you're aware it's about the policies that different political parties prioritize, and states that spend more in education, healthcare, and social programs would usually have better outcomes in those areas, it's a measurable trend.
and im not even saying correlation equate causation, but it does raise questions about how how certain policies tend to produce better outcomes in education and quality of life.
i wouldn't mind looking at red leaning policies that improve these factors more efficiently

[shy summit]

I think we’ll have plenty of opportunities in the coming days, assuming major legislation can get through congress without too much of a deadlock.

[merry ruin]

I'm just saying, you compared the best to the worst and somehow the colors made sense to you. I think it was a reach but whatever.

[shy summit]

Perhaps it is. Perhaps not. But I’m certain that @dense agate is ready and willing to discuss other examples that may prove or disprove the assumption?

[dense agate]

we simply compared 2 states that unanimously voted, the rest is just what it is

[merry ruin]

I just came to comment about the meme, I have little interest in a debate as my beliefs will not change.

[shy summit]

Alright then!

[dense agate]

[manic juniper]

He won't be missed

[thorny steeple]

I just saw this video 10 minute ago

Trump says America will design a new flag for mars

Well elon his speech it kinda inspired me tho

He didn't mean, this is normal

I didn’t say his salute or whatever

That nazi was dead a long time ago , why someone still mentions that

[shy summit]

Because there are still Nazis and Neo-Nazis to this day.

The same issue exists with Jim Crow, it may not exist in it’s old form but it does still exist within the confines of modern limitations

[quasi needle]

its obviously not intentional

yes... lets go on a stage and do the nazi salute as the worlds richest person... NO!!!

anyone with a granule of elon musk footage would know he somehow messes up every rally he speaks at

[shy summit]

Considering the fact that Elon Musk has been J.Q. Posting for a little over two years now it’s absolutely not accidental.

[quasi needle]

ridiculous

[shy summit]

The man has been constantly backing anti-jewish conspiracy theories and has been adamant about platforming various neo-nazies on his own platform.

It’s not entirely out of the question.

[quasi needle]

i did the same gesture to block the sun from my eyes yesterday! does that mean im a nazi!?

or at the very least

[thorny steeple]

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/elon-musk-says-he-is-jewish-by-association-during-antisemitism-conversation-202782789545

Elon Musk literally kneels to the Jews

[sullen epoch]

relaaaaaaax liberals... it's called dark humor

[quasi needle]

relax liberals he put his arm forwards

[sullen epoch]

i knew you were a fascist

[quasi needle]

heh... 3 blocked messages!

blud got triggered

[sullen epoch]

consider yourself... not known to me!

[shy summit]

I don’t think it’s entirely humorous to take one of the largest atrocities of modern history that’s still being denied and turn it into a joke.

[quasi needle]

arcane spotted

[shy summit]

In fact the opposite.

[quasi needle]

torreto prime

i think its evident whos the one who lost their shit

@sullen epoch 5-6-1 as the cap

[shy summit]

He also J.Q. posts, frankly so do many of the people he goes out of his way to platform.

[quasi needle]

bye bye you can leave now

[sullen epoch]

0-0-6

[quasi needle]

22k blocked dude

[sullen epoch]

buh buh buh BLOCKED!

[sullen epoch]

howd you even block so much

[quasi needle]

the cap never wavers

[sullen epoch]

his shield is like 400 at a time

[quasi needle]

healers became hellen keller

[shy summit]

Perhaps this discussion of Marvel Rivals should be moved to another channel please.

[sullen epoch]

adam warlock mains rise up

[quasi needle]

liberals when their eyes feast upon a serious marvel rivals discussion in the serious discussion channel

strategy is of upmost importance

[shy summit]

You’re right, I made a mistake. I’m not asking anymore. 🙂 Get.

[sullen epoch]

the winning lineup can only be discovered through huge insight

[quasi needle]

on a more SERIOUS topic as the deep state decrees

vilexia has entered production

fully

[sullen epoch]

if sniff maxwell doesn't debut as high septon im NOT interested

[quasi needle]

for the 4th time thats not happening

[sullen epoch]

yeah. consider yourself not known to me.

buh buh buh buh BLOCKED!

[quasi needle]

Lions don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.

For does the lion turn around when the small dog barks?

[sullen epoch]

how i feel in vilex...

[quasi needle]

me when i have zero critical thinking

apply some media literacy to the clip

[sullen epoch]

ill give my expert opinion in a moment

LOL

[quasi needle]

i am no supporter of trump nor elon but labeling him a nazi over beating his chest and doing that is wild

[sullen epoch]

"my heart goes out to you"

this has to be bait

[quasi needle]

> beats chest where the heart is and points towards crowd with whole hand
> says "my heart goes out to you"
> "nazi!"

when will people to stop attempting to label the other side as radical and grow up

[nimble moon]

yeah its a bit cringe

[quasi needle]

hes no great guy but hes no neo nazi

[nimble moon]

with context its pretty obvious what he meant

[languid plover]

what a cringelord

but he's just thanking the crowd

[sullen epoch]

arcaen in the flesh

[quasi needle]

elon does a cringe emote for the 19th time in a row but this time its surely suspicious

[shy summit]

He literally endorsed Germany’s far right nazi party

[quasi needle]

what makes them nazis

theyre far right and the furthest theyve gone is to say "not all the nazis did horrible things"

because you know, you either joined or were sent to a camp

[sullen epoch]

the republican logos are red... they MUST be communists...

[quasi needle]

i knew labour was dodgy

[sullen epoch]

spread the word

[quasi needle]

and still

that point rebukes nothing about the aforementioned clip

[nimble moon]

to be fair he does repost dodgy accounts on x

[quasi needle]

and to clarify im not saying hes not radical

[nimble moon]

nothing to do with the 'salute' thing though

just in general

[quasi needle]

im saying baseless claims on radicalism over something thats clearly not intended is worthless coping mechanisms

[languid plover]

honestly i dont believe he's a nazi or a fascist, i think he's just selfish

[shy summit]

The salute is just a sprinkling on the otherwise damning cake tbh.

[quasi needle]

..?

[shy summit]

???

[quasi needle]

are we going to throw common sense out the window

"my heart goes out to you!" as he beats chest and points hand towards crowd

[shy summit]

We already voted Trump in what do you think?

[quasi needle]

im not a liberal so you can tell me

[nimble moon]

no we in this, im not american lol

[sullen epoch]

LOL

[quasi needle]

what

[nimble moon]

he likes hugo boss maybe?

[quasi needle]

is this guy real

[sullen epoch]

he cant be

[quasi needle]

i would ask him what he means but he did have a hissy fit over blocking me

[nimble moon]

nice comrade

[sullen epoch]

consider...

[thorny steeple]

Whats J.Q. posts?

[nimble moon]

Jewish Question

[thorny steeple]

Ok

[nimble moon]

lets get real guys

[quasi needle]

the gesture has nothing to do with his character if 3 seconds of context is applied

[nimble moon]

lose credibility over nothing

[quasi needle]

i could say the same about this image

however i can’t find any context here, so i wont!

[languid plover]

kamala nazi

[quasi needle]

the constitution of today does not represent the IP of tomorrow
~ tulak

[sullen epoch]

the great philosopher

[shy summit]

True, perhaps people wouldn’t be so quick to call it out if Elon hadn’t gone out of his way to platform Nazis over the past few years.

Granted he is on the spectrum but social dumbassery only excuses so much.

I would know.

[nimble moon]

Yeah given his online shit I get why people would be quick to jump on that, but i still dont think its right

elon hater btw

[quasi needle]

thank you for ignoring the whole conversation proving total media and common sense illiteracy

[sullen epoch]

it's the same clip dude

[quasi needle]

perhaps we should source another left leaning news corporation. how about MSNBC?

what about the GUARDIAN newspaper?

idek why i’m trying when im trying to convince someone whod rather boast about blocking others

[nimble moon]

where do you align owen

just curiously

[lament forge]

I didn't know he was cool like that

[shy summit]

PBS is as neutral as it comes what?

It’s literally the public broadcast…

[quasi needle]

that’s like saying the bbc doesn’t lean

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/pbs-newshour

[thorny steeple]

At this point he's just being ironic

[shy summit]

Yeah this is not the commentary of a serious individual,

[shy summit]

I said it was as neutral as it gets, it was the way you phrased it that made it sound like it was the liberal glaze machine

[lament forge]

this guy left the server or I got blocked lol

[thorny steeple]

Latter one

[sturdy cedar]

This is a Spartan salute lmao

The Nazi salute is kinda similar but noticeably different

Evidently

What’s the point?

Ah yes, let’s assume that Elon’s tendency to LARP means that we may live in a fascist dictatorship soon

See, based on his actual actions and the words he’s spoken, Elon is slightly libertarian

Only slightly

But I’d prefer to draw conclusions on actions and statements rather than vague gestures

His past comments don’t concern me at all

I don’t like him that much but

If you’re scared of him maybe you’re just a weenie lol

Chat am I a bully?

Or am I just not a coward who gets freaked out by a goofy little salute?

Wow

I think you’re a bully

That’s pretty rude

Also, hasty generalization

Holy moly

Again it’s not a Nazi salute

It’s not that deep bro

[hard wind]

Musk is a shit, case closed

[sturdy cedar]

Yeah I know you’re still looking at them

You probably feed off the feeling of “intellectual” superiority

Me?

I feed off of Chick fil a 🤤

Bully

I’m telling your mom

Also proof that you’re still looking and your blocks mean nothing lmao

“Agree with me or you’re a bully and an idiot”

I too base my philosophy off of memes

We may have more in common that you think 🥰

Too bad you can’t tolerate perpendicular opinions

Further evidence that this guy just blocks people for a self confidence boost

And nonetheless keeps peeking

Honestly kinda embarrassing but different strokes for different folks I guess

What did I say that was stupid

[shy summit]

Bro literally was JQ posting for two years

[sturdy cedar]

JQ?

[shy summit]

Jewish Question

Like unironically and explicitly

[sturdy cedar]

Not sure what that means tbh

This Smiles fella?

[sturdy cedar]

Still waiting

[shy summit]

It means he’s literally posting nazi shit

[sturdy cedar]

Tell me so I can get unstupid pls

[sturdy cedar]

Ope

It must suck that Nazism lives rent free in peoples heads

I feel like there are way bigger problems to worry about

[shy summit]

Bigger than radicalized violence?

[sturdy cedar]

Like how Riot Games can spend billions on Arcane but can’t fix League of Legends

Absolutely mind boggling

[sturdy cedar]

In seriousness, yes

Nazism doesn’t affect my everyday life at all

Poverty is much more concerning

[shy summit]

It affects millions of people every day.

[sturdy cedar]

Yeah

Probably true

Poverty affects billions tho

And I think it’s wise to focus on problems within view

If we all did that then I think humanity would make faster progress

Rather than complain about hypothetical authoritarianism on the internet I’m gonna just work harder to I can pay my employees more and actually contribute

[shy summit]

Poverty is also aggregated by nazism

Imposed through the new Jim Crow

[sturdy cedar]

Aggravated* 🫶🏼

[shy summit]

Thank you

Preeciate it

[sturdy cedar]

Yes but that’s just authoritarianism in general

Nazism doesn’t have some special sauce that makes poverty worse than other forms of socialism do

[shy summit]

Which is hitting the U.S as we speak

Authoritarianism i mean

[sturdy cedar]

Man it’s kinda tough to say

It’s like Trump is half ultra-authoritarian while also introducing some libertarian ideas

I think the department of governmental efficiency is a fantastic idea

[shy summit]

I am watching the Executive Orders in real-time

[sturdy cedar]

Meanwhile Tariffs are stupid asf

[shy summit]

Its gonna be pretty bad all round

[shy summit]

Its not actually a government department

[sturdy cedar]

Oh really?

[shy summit]

Its just two guys who get a paycheck to yap

Yeah

[sturdy cedar]

Well I mean it’s his first day

[shy summit]

Elon musk can’t get a security clearance easily he’s not a citizen

[sturdy cedar]

It takes a hot minute to set up an entire administration

He’ll probably just forget about it tho

[shy summit]

Its a literal fucking meme

[sturdy cedar]

Like he forgot to build his little wall and how he forgot to lock up Hillary lol

[shy summit]

Department
Of
Government
Efficiency

Doge

Its literally a fucking meme

[sturdy cedar]

Well yeah that’s just clever marketing I think

I do genuinely hope he does it.

[shy summit]

He already did its just not part of the government

It has no official power

[sturdy cedar]

I know this is a hot take but

I do like his idea to axe the department of education

[shy summit]

Basically its giving the guy who paid him billions a free cushy position

[shy summit]

What the actual fuck

You do realize that’s retarded right?

[sturdy cedar]

Let’s maybe not be outraged and have a civil conversation please

I used to be an educator.

[shy summit]

Okay did you get loans to go to school?

[sturdy cedar]

I did.

[shy summit]

Okay

Now you cant

[sturdy cedar]

That’s not true.

[shy summit]

DOE gone

Yes

They handle FAFSA

[sturdy cedar]

No.

Private loans exist

The reason that privatized loans became nearly impossible to acquire or completely unaffordable was because they had to compete with public loans

Also

[sturdy cedar]

FAFSA made it too easy to go to school and now we have a surplus of college educated people

[shy summit]

Literally handled… by the DOE

[sturdy cedar]

Which is wreaking HAVOC on the job market

You’re not listening

I know what FAFSA is. They’re the largest loan provider, but they’re not the only one. Far from it.

In fact, FAFSA typically sells debt to private firms as fast as possible.

[shy summit]

Let me be frank here as to why Conservatives hate college

[sturdy cedar]

I don’t hate college!

Also I’m not conservative

[shy summit]

Its literally part of why they want the DOE gone

[sturdy cedar]

I don’t think that’s the case

Many conservatives are pro-higher education

[shy summit]

They don’t want more college educated people because they vote against them

Its LITERALLY been leaked from the Administration planning meetings

[sturdy cedar]

Oh I don’t doubt that that’s how politicians think

But politicians are not the majority of conservatives

[shy summit]

No they aren’t

But an education reduces the likelihood an individual votes conservative

[sturdy cedar]

I also think that the department of education has completely failed at regulating primary and secondary schooling

Kids are freaking stupid

Stupider than usual lol

[shy summit]

That mostly falls to the states tbh

Most of the funds never make it to the classroom

End up as the superintendent’s next bonus

[sturdy cedar]

All the more reason to axe state departments as well

[shy summit]

No

Fix the problem

[sturdy cedar]

Competition breeds excellence, especially in educational environments

By giving free money to certain schools you’re making it impossible for private schools to compete

[shy summit]

Educating our young needs resources not privatization

[sturdy cedar]

Privatized industries are demonstrably more resource efficient

[shy summit]

Private schools do not actually have a better outcome

Thats the problem

[sturdy cedar]

Bruh

Ivy League schools are all private

Yes there are some good public schools

[thorny steeple]

Hello guys

[sturdy cedar]

But the best schools in the world are all private. No room for debate here.

[shy summit]

We do studies on this in K-12 we did studies on the efficacy of improving outcomes by randomly sending kids to private schools

The results were negligible

The only difference was parent satisfaction

[sturdy cedar]

So there’s no benefit to public schooling over private schooling?

And parents are more satisfied with private schools?

That’s enough for me

[shy summit]

With no grade difference?

[sturdy cedar]

Not sure what you mean

[shy summit]

The point of school is for the child. Not the parent

[sturdy cedar]

Yes, and you just said the differences are negligible

[shy summit]

Yes

[sturdy cedar]

So give parents the choice.

Let them keep more money in their pockets and choose their childrens’ school.

[shy summit]

Still we shouldn’t give money to private schools as per the first amendment

[sturdy cedar]

I agree

100%

[thorny steeple]

r u guys from the us?

[shy summit]

Any school receiving federal funding must oblige constitutional standards.

[sturdy cedar]

Private schools are also much better about paying teachers a fair salary

[shy summit]

That means you can’t go to a religious institution

[sturdy cedar]

Public schools exploit teachers

[shy summit]

Sadly its more complicated

As are many things

[sturdy cedar]

Honestly I think that separation of state and school is just as important as separation of church from state

Same EXACT concept.

[shy summit]

I disagree

[sturdy cedar]

That’s fine

But you risk giving your future Nazi overlords control of the education system

Seems antithetical to what you believe

[shy summit]

Uneducated individuals cannot effectively participate in democracy

Therefore as a society we have a duty to maintain public education

[sturdy cedar]

I think that democracy is flawed because the majority is always undereducated compared to the intellectual minority

[shy summit]

Education
Health Care
Food
Water
Shelter

These are mandatory for any functioning society

[sturdy cedar]

I disagree with healthcare

Society has proven that it can function quite well without nationalized healthcare

History is pretty clear on that

[shy summit]

You can’t have a working society without medicine

If people can’t access it they die

[sturdy cedar]

Lack of nationalized healthcare is not complete lack of medicine

Access is important

[shy summit]

The current system leeches americans for all they have

[sturdy cedar]

I agree

[shy summit]

We spend more than most other countries and what do we have to show for it?

[sturdy cedar]

I believe the problem is that we’re trying to force coexistence of private and public healthcare

Private can never compete with public

Either fully privatize it or fully publicize it

[shy summit]

Look at sweden

Belgium

France

[sturdy cedar]

Stop

Homogenized societies, all of them

America is very different

I’m from Europe, trust

[shy summit]

Yes but we aren’t so different as to have such vastly different needs.

We’re all human beings

Granted part of this is because the lack of regulations of our food

[sturdy cedar]

Human beings with very different cultures, lifestyles, philosophies, and genetics

Those things do effect the economics of healthcare

[shy summit]

Yes. But they won’t regulate the food either

[sturdy cedar]

It’s more nuanced than “let’s just copy where it’s working for now”

[shy summit]

I understand that,

And I’m more than just saying, copy the healthcare. I’m saying we should regulate our food.

[sturdy cedar]

X rays only cost a couple bucks back when healthcare was all private

[shy summit]

Regulate our food like Germany Regulates its beer.

[sturdy cedar]

Now, the government needlessly regulates the shit out of healthcare. It increases overhead cost

That’s primarily what’s making it unaffordable.

[shy summit]

Well no, funnily enough the number one reason for the higher costs is the cost of labor

[sturdy cedar]

Exactly

[shy summit]

We pay doctors more here

[sturdy cedar]

That’s what I just said lol

Regulatory staff cost moneyyyy

[shy summit]

Aaaah you meant that

[sturdy cedar]

Tens of thousands of people who just sit at a desk and worry about compliance

[shy summit]

I thought you were saying we should let JFK inject us with all the arsenic

[sturdy cedar]

And also greedy ass doctors but that exists regardless of public or private healthcare

[sturdy cedar]

Based JFK

[shy summit]

Sorry RFK

[sturdy cedar]

Nale

It’s been a pleasure

I gotta bounce

[shy summit]

Same man

Laters

[sturdy cedar]

Have a wonderful night

[severe harbor]

serious opinion: hi

[thorny steeple]

[feral river]

try to be like us, boost your medicine production, and let more people flood this industry, and you will have a crazy cheap healthcare service like us

the point is why not

[covert quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-trump-dance-donald-trump-trump-dancing-trump-2024-gif-8568283597161173672

[covert quiver]

Amazing guy 💯

[feral river]

does that matter ?

so if he's a nazi, what now ?

the richest nazi in the world ?

what you can actually do to him, you can arrest him ? no you don't have probable cause to practice a citizen's arrest

neither you got a warrant

[icy bane]

I personally believe that this gesture is being taken out of proportion and out of context. It does not go without saying, though, that that gesture does look super oddly similar nonetheless.

With that being said, in case he did mean that as a Nazi salute, it does matter as he has some means of authority within the government, and most would agree that someone who is influencing Nazism (in terms of aesthetics but even as far as ideals) is a threat to our democracy, but also our very human rights in this country.

[feral river]

ahhh oh

but that means nothing

[icy bane]

It actually does mean a lot.

[feral river]

just a random pretext used for against an individual

nothing really special

[icy bane]

Oh, you're talking about this situation exactly.

[icy bane]

I can see that those on the left are mainly concerned because obviously those on the left are unhappy about the outcome of this election.

I do think it is being taken out of context though.

Who knows, though. I dunno if a statement has been made by Musk or those around him regarding that, though regardless of whom is defending him, it is important to be getting your information from somewhere credible and unbiased.

[feral river]

they should be, this election wasn't for them, they already messed up a lot of stuff

[icy bane]

I mean, there is no doubt that Twitter has now become some form of haven for the far right extremists and neo-nazis and White supremacists.

My god, is that place super toxic. Just by being on there for 10 minutes gives me a headache.

[feral river]

well first thing, far-right does not equals to Nazism

that's completely different

[icy bane]

This can hint towards who is as a person, in terms of his toleration of giving these people platforms.

[icy bane]

I do not think that is what he was trying to say.

He never even mentioned "far right".

[minor portal]

You need to find a good niche

[feral river]

and second thing, no matter how you gonna accuse him a nazi or twitter is a nazism platform, it is legal in the United States, under law regulation

and third, that means nothing if you just say he's a nazi or something you gonna convince a lot of people that also means nothing because he's not a government official yet, he don't need to give a shit to you guys

he's not the president

[icy bane]

I am solely on Instagram and Tik Tok. I get my news from this one woman on Tik Tok, who is an independent journalist. I also follow her and various other independent journalists on this app called Substack.

[minor portal]

And make nice mutuals and it will be so safe and nice

[feral river]

afd was a far-right legal party in germany has been accused of nazism party by leftists

[icy bane]

While it is possibly legal, Nazism is a dangerous path to go - that is why anyone should care about giving Nazists platforms anywhere.

It is a dangerous ideology.

[icy bane]

Oh, right.

[minor portal]

Nice if you only want to know about the news but so bad Social media for everything else

[feral river]

well then if you think can even try to violate the 1st amendment by this way

[icy bane]

I see what you are saying.

[feral river]

do I really need to state what 1st amendment says

[icy bane]

I sometimes doomscroll on Tik Tok, admittedly.

[icy bane]

No. I understand what you are trying to say.

[feral river]

well personally I can tell you I don't care if he's a nazi or not, and that means literally nothing to me or almost everyone

[minor portal]

There are no tiny and peaceful communities, there

[feral river]

what matters is what he will do

not what he behaves

I can say everything misleading everyone for my own interest as a capitalist

but I can't do anything that damages my own interest

that's the truth behind of it

always remember that majority dominates the minority is the core of democracy

[icy bane]

But freedom of speech has its limits if it is a threat to this country. Fundamentally, it is the right to express opinions without censorship; so I could express my distaste for President Donald Trump without being arrested. I would argue that to some extent, Nazism is protected under the first amendment, now I think it is not when that Nazism includes any form of hate speech.

[icy bane]

His behaviour is actually very relevant.

His behaviour arguably reflects his actions, as do his actions his behaviour.

[feral river]

hummm not really he can scam you guys by his behaviour

actions, not possible

[icy bane]

I understand that he can deceive us, yes.

[feral river]

you will never know what he will do and he will surprise you and he did it a lot of times

few years ago when he's talking about climate change, population collapse can you imagine that he will stand with Trump ?

and what's the result now

[icy bane]

When you say "he", you're still referring to Elon Musk, correct?

[feral river]

dude that's the freedom of speech, hate speech is speech

if you really want to get rid of hate speeches, be here, we don't have freedom of speech you can't post anything bad about our government or leader or administration

you will see how people is posting how happy they are in their life yes

because those hate speeches were filtered under the government regulation

[icy bane]

I should have clarified that I mean more speech that is inciteful towards violence, which is certainly not protected under the first amendment.

[icy bane]

Quite ironic that you're Chinese.

[feral river]

ah I don't care if I don't have free speech, that means nothing to me also I have that by using VPN to access western websites and apps

[icy bane]

Lol, okay.

[feral river]

not exactly dude, that's not under jurisdiction of the 1st amendment, you better find other bills that regulates the speech fields in certain area

I don't think there was one that clearly contradicts the 1st amendment

because that's unconstitutional

[icy bane]

I think for the most part, being unpredictable is not a good trait to have, especially for the citizens in regards to being any sort of leader.

With that being said, I think it is obvious why Elon Musk has changed his attitudes and has sided with Trump: for his personal gain.

[feral river]

well remember he's a person not a robot, he doesn't need or not required to have any obligation to you folks any promises or any clues about what he will do next

and even he did, you can't enforce him to do what he exactly says

[icy bane]

So those who attacked the United States Capitol on January 6 were just expressing their freedom of speech and freedom of assembly?

[feral river]

that's why I said that means nothing

[feral river]

Donald Trump lol

but that was done

left with an investigation case against Trump but they did nothing to him till now

even he was sentenced to none which he committed a felon

[feral river]

yeah not surprised

and everyone's caring their own interest nothing really special

[icy bane]

When I say being unpredictable, I mean having sporadic-changing opinions, or more so giving certain promise to people, all for you to have just lied and mislead your people solely for your personal gain - that is what I think being unpredictable is/implies, and therefore a bad trait in terms of leadership.

Trump certainly shows signs himself of that.

I think changing your opinions in a broad sense is being human.

[feral river]

that's the system allows him to do so

[icy bane]

But with that much influence and that much power, doing so all for your personal gain is wrong for your people.

[feral river]

you can't change people's DNA making him a person who does not want any capital gains

[icy bane]

I never said so.

[feral river]

but you can change the system to fit current situation, avert the case of politicians would do something for their own interest which have more priority over people's interest

take an example of Singapore, why they are doing good ? simple

just give politicians a huge number of salary and crack down on corruption

we are not doing so good at this, but we are trying to change under Xi administration he launched a huge anti-corruption campagin removed a huge amount of bureaucrats and other officials for restructuring the system

[icy bane]

I mean, even a convicted felon is allowed to become sitting president. He also has the ability to pardon himself.

[feral river]

we are giving politician very little pay and they can't be a boss of private companies, they can't have receive a lot of gifts, and they have to be elected by the central government not mayors or other politicians

[icy bane]

I believe that scenario would be highly controversial, though, just like all pardons presidents give.

[feral river]

lol that's the case

[icy bane]

I am not too familiar with the politics out there.

I am not going to talk about something I know nothing of.

[feral river]

anyways we all trying to change, but what I'm seeing about something happened in the US, is absurd

[icy bane]

I see what you are saying, though.

[feral river]

at least it's not for the people's interest but only for some capitalists, bureaucrats etc.

[icy bane]

I am glad that even you as a Chinese citizen can see through what is happening right now.

[feral river]

well we can literally access everything if we want to

[icy bane]

Who knows, though. It was quite the eventful Inauguration Day, and I suppose it'll be an eventful next four years.

[icy bane]

What do you mean, exactly?

[feral river]

literal means, for example I can search about US consitution on our internet without barrier

or receive some news from outside of the world

or using VPN which cost you 5 USD a month to access everything like a westerner

[icy bane]

Oh, of course. I don't mean "see through" literally.

I just mean that you are not deceived; you can see what is really happening right now.

Unlike many blind Americans.

[feral river]

I'm even well aware about those terms and my friends ever been to the US, I ever been to a lot of countries in East Asia or SEAs

[icy bane]

What is your opinion on Tik Tok, by the way?

And also on many Americans flocking to RedNote, lol.

[feral river]

yeah I can see that on Rednote that was our app I thought it was only available in China mainland

that was a complete Chinese app for Chinese citizens lol

and I see a lot of americans coming though marked themselves as 'tiktok refugees' and we started to exchange informations from there

[icy bane]

I think it is a beautiful thing. With the Supreme Court declaring China a foreign adversary, it was quite rebellious for Americans to directly interact with what the United States government perceives as the enemy.

And China-US relations are obviously not black and white, either.

[icy bane]

😂

I was going to download it, but decided not to.

[feral river]

can't even believe that tiktok ban actually promoted exchange informations between Chinese and Americans

never expected that result

[icy bane]

I mean, for many, Tik Tok was their livlihoods, their means of income. But, also, it allows us to express ourselves. I've certainly learned a lot about the world through Tik Tok.

I do understand the thought of China being a "national security threat", but I personally thing the Supreme Court was vague in what that exactly means.

[feral river]

I see you guys like Chinese app more than american apps lol

[icy bane]

More so, with the amount of data of Americans the CCP may have access to, which can be certainly a threat. But, like I said, the Supreme Court was still pretty vague in their reasoning.

[icy bane]

Kind of diverging, but I'd like to visit China someday.

I'd learn Mandarin if I could.

My grandma actually studied Mandarin in college. She still has the dictionary she used throughout her studies.

[feral river]

China welcomes everyone

🇨🇳

[icy bane]

I will say, the CEO of Tik Tok stood very well when he was up against those confrontational Senators. It instead made us look like a fool.

That guy that was asking if he was Chinese when he is in fact Singaporean.

[rose eagle]

In China, are there cases where someone reported corruption and then was imprisoned by that corrupt officials?

Or in China if I criticize the dark side of China I might become the focus of criticism, cursing and insulting

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ratchet-and-clank-nick-astalos-nick-astalos-ratchet-and-clank-ratchet-clank-gif-16818985

[feral river]

Not possible, every inauguration and resignation or fire has to be decided by the central government

[tight leaf]

i hear that America wanna ban tiktok, and a lot of people flock to rednoteAPP。crazy

[feral river]

That means your boss does not have the right to fire you

So we will not have any problem relating to small group of officials rise up or being corrupted together

[tacit slate]

hello everyone

[ancient kraken]

BRO

when was that

[ancient kraken]

Hello

[outer dust]

hello

[mystic bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOr1WIFuIYI

[elder seal]

Average day in America

[mystic bay]

Breloom is a celebrity now

https://tenor.com/view/breloom-breloom-text-breloom-system-breloom-pokemon-pokemon-gif-17728699264515086321

[deft dune]

Americans thinking China isnt that bad are hilarious

They are literraly your enemies you really think they wouldnt have methods of gathering information and espionage against the USA? ridicilous...

[thorny steeple]

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/elon-musk-says-he-is-jewish-by-association-during-antisemitism-conversation-202782789545

Wow really a Nazi

This man is a nazi

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-and-luigi-mario-and-luigi-brothership-mario-super-mario-high-five-gif-586259227571927520

It feel like watching an absurd movie

Russian news media blured this gesture, it makes it even funnier

[ancient kraken]

@shy smelt everything good ?

[ruby vector]

🙂

I wasn't expecting that from trumpo

[ruby vector]

Strike while the iron is hot

[dapper laurel]

They had already banned it and reactivated it within a day

[dapper laurel]

Now they will denazify even America

[ancient kraken]

Yo who wanna play bs

[crude widget]

I love breloom

[mystic bay]

And Breloom loves you

[crude widget]

😊

I remember this Pokémon being in my team back when I played one of those games

I guess ruby and sapphire

[mystic bay]

Breloom is great

One of the few pokemon that learn Spore

100% sleep chance

[crude widget]

Very nice to have on your team

[thorny steeple]

that was a long time ago

[thorny steeple]

a lot of people say This is a Roman salute

[feral river]

Can’t care less lol that doesn’t matter

[thorny steeple]

as long as he takes american people to mars

@high lynx

[shy summit]

Absolutely

[thorny steeple]

I do think so, however you can't convince these people to think the same

[feral river]

I don’t need to

He’s in charge, just accept the fact

And they have no choice besides accepting the fact

[shy summit]

Elon has no official power Mine

[feral river]

He might have it in the future

I mean Donald Trump is in charge

[shy summit]

He isn’t a citizen

He can’t

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk?wprov=sfti1#

He is a citizen

[shy summit]

Not as of Yesterday

If you agree with what trump did of course

Besides his security clearance issue has been prevent him from doing anything important anyways

[feral river]

Not aware of that but he’s just being great of the inauguration day

[shy summit]

First no

He pardoned dozens of people charged with conspiracy against the US

He’s TRYING to illegally change the constitution

Here hold up I have a list

[vale spire]

hi

[shy summit]

• He rescinded the half mast flag for Jimmy Carter out of spite.
• Revoked Hiring Discrimination Protections
• Revoked other protections for minorities.
• Pulled out of The World Health Organization
• Terminated Remote Work
• Seeking inhumane prison conditions for felons out of spite when they’re already serving their time.

[prisma cipher]

Sure

[shy summit]

There’s more obvs but just this alone

[shy summit]

It’s the Seig Hail through and through

Not even any question about it

[feral river]

Besides the last one really matters for majority of people, other stuff all remains controversial and that is really not a big deal for american state interest

That’s his agenda to withdraw from that shit and shut down or just defund those so-called protection departments but using it as political agenda to legally cooperate with democrat big bosses and extract benefit from their agenda

That all should be dismantled no exceptions is what he with Trump is gonna do for

[gusty hazel]

Hi gays

[wind tartan]

hello guys !!

[feral river]

So assume im a trump supporter, I can’t agree more on what you have said and I really appreciate that

[gusty hazel]

Tramp or bayden??

[wind tartan]

why is this serious chat ? can only advance english speakers use it?

[wind tartan]

bye_den

[gusty hazel]

Why

[wind tartan]

because he is no more the president

I am not into politics , just cracked it as a joke

[gusty hazel]

Tramp Transgender Grants

I need to change my sex now what can i do

[feral river]

You can try to get some point from the view of national interest or people’s interest to proof how Trump-Vance administration or Elon is a threat to the US @shy summit

Or we just see how economy will go

You can’t use ideological stuff to convince people who’s not getting into your ideology

[wind tartan]

are you guys from US?

[gusty hazel]

Gays* not guys

All people now in usa are gays

[wind tartan]

most of them ig

no no

it is still a minor group

[gusty hazel]

Just the foreigner people

[wind tartan]

but the pace at which it grew was quite fast

[gusty hazel]

So much fast

I dont know why

Is the government need to decrease the birth rate

[wind tartan]

its human mind it gets affected by its environemnt so if we see this case the rest humans ( children specifically )

got affected by it real quick

[gusty hazel]

They are only interested in lust, not religion.

[wind tartan]

so rather than biological change it is more of a psychologica change

[wind tartan]

yeah

[gusty hazel]

My neighbors open a brothel flat for men

[wind tartan]

so are you joining in?

[gusty hazel]

Absolutely no

Where are you from

[wind tartan]

ohhh

better

[wind tartan]

i am from India

[gusty hazel]

Those things happen in india?

[wind tartan]

ohhh after it grew so much in US and and other parts of the world now it is growing in India too

i mean gay mentality

alright gtg

[gusty hazel]

yes but the only positive thing ..the birth rate will decrease

Because we now 8 billion people that is disaster

Hi Nale

[shy summit]

So either you don’t know or you’re ignorant on this subject

[shy summit]

Only one of these people were saying that Jews are the ones perpetuating racism and hate and are the shadow government

[gusty hazel]

What are you doing here since I am still new

[shy summit]

This isn’t how it happens thank you

[gusty hazel]

How

[shy summit]

Its a biological reality not a shadow government conspiracy

It has to do with early development of the nervous system in which many factors play a role

[gusty hazel]

Can we discuss

[shy summit]

Its not a subjective opinion its an observed fact

[gusty hazel]

Does god allow that?

[shy summit]

He must for he made all things including the potential for homosexual behavior in most all animals

Besides I think its irrelevant

I’m an atheist

[gusty hazel]

From the begging of life ..god prohibited that

[shy summit]

But it made it happen

Soooooo

Can’t really help you there brother

If it occurs naturally as a result of human development (which it does) then it must be by magic daddy’s design

[gusty hazel]

Do you think the gays allow or not allow in the religion?

[shy summit]

Literally don’t care about what the religion allows, I care about the needless human suffering the institutions inflict

[gusty hazel]

Are you gay?

[shy summit]

No

Queer but not gay

[gusty hazel]

I advice you to be straight

[shy summit]

It doesn’t work that way

It’s not a choice

[gusty hazel]

Dont make the lust cheat you

[shy summit]

As I’ve explained its biological reality not a cognitive choice

[gusty hazel]

But you can control it

[shy summit]

No - you can’t I don’t think you understand

[gusty hazel]

I love to be a gay but its prohibited

[shy summit]

Are you gay or not?

[gusty hazel]

Smokers can really stop smoking

[gusty hazel]

No

[shy summit]

Literally not the same thing

Its not an addictive substance any more powerful than it’s heterosexual counterpart

[gusty hazel]

I will be the first gay if god allow that

[shy summit]

You wouldn’t be the first? Nor would I care about what someone else’s faith has to say.

[gusty hazel]

I couldnot understand

What do you mean

[spice moon]

Hello

[gusty hazel]

Not your time

[spice moon]

Ohk

[gusty hazel]

When i will be a priest i will prohibit that nale

[spice moon]

Wht u guys r takin abt?

[gusty hazel]

Spongebob go to your place

[spice moon]

Where?

[gusty hazel]

In sea

[spice moon]

Nuhh

[gusty hazel]

Are you gays?

[spice moon]

Nope

[shy summit]

Bro is VERY interested in tasting the rainbow

[gusty hazel]

Good

[spice moon]

Wbu ?

[gusty hazel]

Yes its my buisness

[spice moon]

Eww

[gusty hazel]

Its my work

I advice people to be a straight because god deserve that

What do you think

I will be a sucess

And all people in USA will be straight

I will do this by any tool

I believe that

Its very important for all of us

To not go to the hell

I will rescue people

From devil's ideas

@shy summit

🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈👨‍❤️‍👨👬

[supple crystal]

Then join a religion that is ok with people being gay. The pope said its ok, so lots of churches accept it now. Conversion therapy is wrong. Don't push your beliefs on others. Let them come to you if they want advice.

[spice moon]

Good job peter

[gusty hazel]

Who is the pope

Tell me

[supple crystal]

The leader of the catholic church.

Pope Francis

[gusty hazel]

I am Orthodoxy

Catholic is very far

[shy summit]

Won’t happen bucko

[gusty hazel]

But i love it

[shy summit]

Maybe fix the kid diddling in your own institution before worrying about other people

[gusty hazel]

True

So how can i be a gay can you teach me😅😂😂

I was kidding at first

I had sex with 3 men before

But i know i was wrong

[ancient kraken]

But if every men was gay and every women lesbian we wouldn’t last more than a generation

[gusty hazel]

Tell her

[gusty hazel]

@shy summit

[thorny steeple]

He's atheist and bi****ual

[supple crystal]

I guess you've never heard of IVF. Regardless, that will never ever happen. If 'god' created gay people, why would you try to change them. Most religions started as fertility cults, its time people stopped holding on to values that only really mattered in hunter/gatherer times, before the advent of modern science.

[ancient kraken]

If I follow what you’re saying if you have some passions you should jump into them without thinking, the goal of this life is a test, if some gay peoples were created then they need to restrain themselves from having relations with men (if you wanna see it in a religious point) it’s just a test, being gay defines the nature of human. Sometimes you need to restrain yourself from things even if it seems natural for you, per exemple having relations with a woman before marriage is forbidden even if our soul lean to like having relations with a woman (again if you wanna see it in a religious way bc you talked to me about god)

[supple crystal]

poeple should follow their own personal morals, not the ones written 2000 years ago when poeple had no idea about why the world was the way iti was

[wind tartan]

ok thanks for the opinion

[ancient kraken]

Yo btw I’m stopping here I cba to discuss about this 😭

[wind tartan]

hey

what is cba

[ancient kraken]

Learn a bit more about it and you’ll see that they were in advance of their time 1400 years ago

[wind tartan]

very true

[ancient kraken]

Hello it means Can’t be arsed / asked idrk it’s just an expression that I use to hear from streamers when they were a bit frustrated

[wind tartan]

oh , thanks

[ancient kraken]

No probb

[thorny steeple]

#maga

[thorny steeple]

First ones: oh, how sweet
Latter one: hello, human sources?

[manic juniper]

The blurry hand reminds me of the Scary Movie alien president whose genitals are on the hand

[prisma cipher]

[supple crystal]

Lolol 👽👉

[thorny steeple]

[wind tartan]

hahaha

[prisma cipher]

Pure nazi

I'm sure he mean something else, but still

[thorny steeple]

[prisma cipher]

I hope I don't get ban for sharing nazi salute

[ruby vector]

What does he want to say ?

[thorny steeple]

He said a lot

[ruby vector]

By that salute?

[lament forge]

🗿

[thorny steeple]

You can go to yt watching that video

[ruby vector]

I already seen it
I don't want to watch those conspiracy theories

Free speech
Do whatever u want now

[thorny steeple]

Rosie

[supple crystal]

Musk isn't even right wing. Neither is Trump really. Yknow, in the 80s, he had an interview where someone asked if hed ever run for president, and, he said that he's a Democrat but if he ever ran, he would run as a republican because they're not as smart so itd be easier to get elected. All of the smearing people are doing against them is pretty despicable.

[ruby vector]

John john hruuuuu?

[formal pilot]

I invested unreasonable amount of time in this, i hate my life now

[ruby vector]

He wants to show that we are free with trump and we can do anything and blah blah about free speech
I don't think it has to do with the meaning of the salute

[formal pilot]

Apparently Synapsida aren't confusing

They got clear holes

[supple crystal]

Being an edgy meme lord isn't the same as being a facist.

[formal pilot]

Look at grandpa

[thorny steeple]

Good missed you, how's it been

[ruby vector]

So far so good as usual
I have finally finished my exams

[manic juniper]

The thing is holes are irrelevant, they are only relevant within archosaurs as well because they consistently have two postorbital fenestrae plus additional antorbital which are an innovation

Crocodilians lost one of the antorbitals while birds still retain them

Diapsids lose and regain fenestrae at will

[formal pilot]

This single picture wasted 6+ hours 💀

[manic juniper]

If you want to see something cool about synapsid evolutionary trends look at the fenestra getting larger and larger over time, from the earliest ones with barely visible fenestrae like Varanopis and Dimetrodon until you reach the brown bear with a giant zygomatic arch

[formal pilot]

And It isn't complete and it was messing with your drawing

[manic juniper]

It's incorrect tho

You cannot use Anapsida and Sauropsida together

[thorny steeple]

Hallelujah

[formal pilot]

Turned out your drawing wasn't complete either, so now ik about 100s of unnecessary categories

[manic juniper]

Anapsida is a morphological grouping, polyphyletic, so it includes animals that even have different ancestors while completely excluding others in between

[formal pilot]

Yeah that's how I wasted my time

[manic juniper]

It's not, I made a more complete version before, about 5 times as detailed

I think I could make it way more detailed if I wished to

[ruby vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/855229159034716191.gif?size=48

[manic juniper]

That one was made to give an idea of the major groups that you'd study superficially

Or that show features present in still living animals

[formal pilot]

Yeah it was enough to ignite my curiosity

[manic juniper]

Can you imagine if I included drepanosaurs?

[thorny steeple]

Yo

[manic juniper]

For example I included Pterosauromorpha and Dinosauromorpha because there was a lot of foreshadowing going on in those groups

[formal pilot]

Wait why can't I find Drepanosaurs in my chart 💀

Must be in parareptilia

They're confusing

[manic juniper]

Because they are an obscure group

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drepanosaur

We don't know much about them, they could be a result of the archosauromorph explosion in diversity or even of the larger neodiapsid diversification

[shy summit]

Delulu

[formal pilot]

Wait i found neodiapsida

[thorny steeple]

We are so back #maga

[formal pilot]

Is caludiosauras similar to Drepanosaurs

Yk what nvm

I should avoid this classification for my mental health

[manic juniper]

They're basal diapsid clades

[manic juniper]

Linnaean better?

[formal pilot]

Absolutely, it does the job

Diddy loves this group

[manic juniper]

It tries to

[dapper laurel]

Nah, we're fucked up

[prisma cipher]

https://youtu.be/sMxTvN6a0RU?si=rR1Zh5k3_8HkUVev just opening from education Soviet tv show

[shy summit]

Literal info suppression?

[manic juniper]

Hopefully it's the end of the far right in Europe and it gets aborted before it even had a chance to infect everywhere

And Trump serves as a wake up call to rely on ourselves in security matters and economy

[shy summit]

Indeed

[dapper laurel]

I am very discouraged about this

[manic juniper]

There are politicians trying to push back Elon's blatant support of the far right in UK and Germany

[dapper laurel]

I think that American interference will be stronger and stronger in the next European elections, Elon Musk is an example of this

[manic juniper]

I don't think they will let the far right win if they are blatantly supported by an external actor, just like Qatargate and the last Romanian elections

[dapper laurel]

However, I think that the modern far right isn't so extremist

They only want to fight illegal immigration, but otherwise they behave like a centre-right government

AfD will have the same fate

[uncut mist]

It's funny
I thought something else

[gusty hazel]

I come back again

What wrong here

Isfrun wow what a beautiful girl

Very pretty

[ripe lily]

Hi guys I’m looking for a girl or girls to talk in english and have conversation

[gusty hazel]

And i

I wont to practice my english

[ripe lily]

I’m not sure you are a girl

[gusty hazel]

I am boy but why not get conversation

I need practice too

[gusty hazel]

Not problem As you like

@manic juniper love you

[peak summit]

[shy summit]

Not the place for a pickup

[novel comet]

How serious is this chat?

[novel comet]

Sadly they ran away when I arrived

Mb mate

I see what's ur opinion on children?

[ripe lily]

I’m literally a girl who looking for a girl conversation

[hard wind]

im not a girl

[novel comet]

... dunno

Lmfao idk a pass time see how much weirder i can make the scenario 🤷‍♂️

Yes who ain't :^

Ur telling me you've never been "creepy"

[thorny steeple]

😳i thought he is a guy all the time

nah she is a girl

[novel comet]

... imma go

[thorny steeple]

[novel comet]

Gn

[thorny steeple]

from my the sixth sense

i got the spidy sence

but it does not matter a girl or a boy

e date?

what it matters for peter?

i see alright

[feral river]

Ah huh, no it’s obvious that you are the one who’s using your standard of abnormality based on his political inclination to judge him about something you care not majority of people cares

You can never use a list of political or ideological statement of what he have done to you is his fault, dude he’s just don’t gjve a shit to you guys

If i’m the politician I don’t give a shit too

How much you guys’s interest worth ?

That’s a good question

And are you guys the majority of people ? Well this answer is clear, NO

Therefore what’s the reason to them for caring you guy’s interest ?

https://youtube.com/shorts/7-ScNYZg-sQ?si=tq4VmSh3vk5ygy2-

[thorny steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7-ScNYZg-sQ

[feral river]

There was a group of people in America thinks their shit is divine and above everything

Actually current administration won’t give a fuck

Make America Great Again 🇺🇸

[strong apex]

Nn

[shy summit]

He literally can’t do it

Like legally

He doesn’t have that power

And istg if i hear the quote from mao again

[feral river]

Which quote ?

[shy summit]

You know the one but the issue is

It won’t survive court

[feral river]

You are being specifically vague

Well I don’t really remember some quote about that

[shy summit]

The president simply doesn’t have the power to change the constitution

[feral river]

Well yes it was always the case isn’t it but he can still reject the bill that Biden administration implemented before

In here our general secretary is able to write himself into the consitution

And he did

Well almost every Chinese leader did that

[shy summit]

He literally can’t change the constitution

Birthright is constitutional

[feral river]

Well, I’m not so familiar with the brithright thing but he said he’s gonna change that I also wonder how if it’s consitutional

[shy summit]

He can’t

He lied

[feral river]

Probably there’s no point to do that

Nothing really benefit american people & nation to cancel the birthright for some foreigners

[shy summit]

You can’t get rid of it period, not without 2/3rds of the states agreeing

[feral river]

Is he able to change the federal law to overwrite the constitution ?

[shy summit]

No

The president can’t change the law

His job is to enforce the law

He ratifies laws but only those made by congress

He is not a god

[feral river]

well that sucks

[shy summit]

No its a good thing

It prevents crazy people from doing too much damage

[feral river]

well yes but it also limit some dedicate person doing well for his nation

[shy summit]

Still good

It forces us to work together

[feral river]

it's a double-edged sword

[shy summit]

It makes us slower in some respects sure

But it forces cooperation

[feral river]

that's way much expensive than you think

you gonna spend a crazy amount of time on these coordination progress

[shy summit]

Not really congressmen don’t get paid by the hour

Doesn’t cost any more if they do it in a week vs a minute they still get paid the same amount

[feral river]

and you may be blocked by some person who oppose this shit

or being voted out

[shy summit]

Then you have to compromise

Give them something they want in exchange

[feral river]

that's why you got a crazy poor infrastructure ?

[shy summit]

Our infrastructure isn’t too bad but here’s the big reason

[feral river]

for us, we can just remove the building on our roads and give them some money to settle

they have to go, they can't refuse to go

[shy summit]

2010 Citizens United VS Clinton

This was the culmination of reaganomics

Giving more to the rich didn’t create more wealth for everyone it just made it so we can’t help the downtrodden

The rich basically bought politicians in exchange for tax breaks

We reinstate that? We fix most our problems

[feral river]

but that's how economy works baby, a group of random people got money to spend doesn't really contribute a business model of economic cycling

[shy summit]

It literally has proven itself not to work

The money didn’t go to creating more jobs

[feral river]

you gonna need those capitalists or some entrepreneurs enough resources to help your nation to earn money internationally and contribute your economy domestically

[shy summit]

It didn’t go to raising salaries

It went into the pockets of men who don’t spend it

[feral river]

because they need a nicer margin

[shy summit]

They literally don’t

That’s the problem

It never gets spent

[feral river]

they actually spend it, in investments, luxuries well that's a little but investments definitely a lot

I don't see much regular people from the US doing well on investments and businesses

[shy summit]

Fiscal velocity is greater in those who need money than those who do not

[shy summit]

No the data shows otherwise.

They don’t spend it

That’s the problem

It’s a net loss to the economy

[feral river]

you mean the riches got more than the value they deserve ?

[shy summit]

Yes

They literally do not spend it

[thorny steeple]

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[feral river]

but they bare the risk of everything if you even try to impose more taxes on them, it will definitely harm your own business model of economic cycling

[shy summit]

There is no risk for them

[feral river]

and as far as I know, the business guys from the United States bare way much more debt than everyone

[shy summit]

They can absorb the loss as a minor annoyance

[feral river]

that's the blood of economy, the debt

[shy summit]

The debt is to themselves

They store the money take it on as debt because debt can’t be taxed

[feral river]

well yes but it also limit them from taking it too fast like cash

they have to keep that money as debt

[shy summit]

No they can take it back whenever

[feral river]

so the economy would go

I never see one's doing that

[shy summit]

They just store it in non taxable forms

[feral river]

also how you gonna do something to them while they are the guy who controlled most resources in the US ?

[shy summit]

Normally the IRS would lock them up for it but they have lobbied so hard the IRS doesn’t have the resources to go after them

The money that funds the IRS comes from taxes

[feral river]

they don't pay taxes

[shy summit]

But tax cuts means less resources to the guys who investigate tax crimes

[feral river]

but they use their business to contribute the domestic economy

[shy summit]

They don’t

They keep price gouging the American people

[feral river]

riches never pay taxes dude that's the fact

[shy summit]

That’s the problem

[feral river]

if they have to pay taxes in the US, they will move to somewhere else like Dubai or Singapore or Hong Kong

[shy summit]

They won’t

[feral river]

and your industry will got hurt from that

[shy summit]

So long as there is profit they will be here even if that profit shrinks

And they would still profit

[feral river]

not really some factories moved to India because our labor is getting expensive

[shy summit]

Well then their profit shrinks because who’s gonna buy imported and taxed goods from offshore?

Its better to absorb the blow and maintain what profits you can

[feral river]

well, customers

[shy summit]

Its the big lie

[feral river]

the people

[shy summit]

They’ll leave if we don’t give them more and more!

They won’t leave, no so long as they can get SOMETHING

Its like pointing a fake gun at someone’s head

[feral river]

nah I don't believe that, I would go immediately to Dubai for tax purposes which maximize my margin

I believe most people would do that