🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

Why

[unreal steeple]

Not really, the difference of opinion is just an excuse, the goal since time immemorial has been to steal resources, expand territories and impose force

[alpine dragon]

Chinese people generally don't believe in any religions

[manic juniper]

Doesn't mean they cannot, they used to after all

What if a new mandate of heaven comes

[tender osprey]

That wouldn't happen. Though I don't even believe in a new religion logically, there'll be more conflict happening. Let's just take an example that is happening around us: the religion that has already existed for a long time. Those followers of each religion are debating with one another about which religion is the most correct. So, a new religion would just create a new conflict.

[manic juniper]

It could be a new religion that unites those people with disagreements, even if temporarily

You can easily trick them through technology

[tender osprey]

Fair reason. Those invaders are mostly targeting the opponent's resources; for example, in the Middle East, the war between the us and its allies against Saddam Hussein. All they want is the massive resources that they have.

[tender osprey]

Religion means having a strong belief. So, if you use the word "trick," then you can't even call it a religion. Though many people tried to make a new religion, in the end, the government targeted them.

[manic juniper]

Many people tried making a new religion and succeeded, tricking others into believing in it always was part of it. Think of all the oracles or prophets that claimed to be speaking for their deities

[unreal steeple]

Just one face of the greed of wars ..

[tender osprey]

I never knew about that information, but thanks for letting me know. In my neighborhood countries, many tried to make that new religion but in the end, they were just being targeted and got ended. Also, many people have strong beliefs in their religion. Those who leave their original religion into the "new religion" you called are mostly non-strong believers. Sorry, this is the end of talking topic about religion because I'm afraid I will say something wrong that might make me sin.

[tender osprey]

That's how the world work sadly, we can't change anything much.

[odd compass]

Hi what u talking about

[manic juniper]

Many people that join newer religious movements are fervent believers that think it's a new message

[thorny steeple]

I give you a trip, learn some Mandarin before you go to china, yeah most of Chinese apps there is no English subtitles or change to English language,also most of people don’t speak really well English, okay but good luck

There you go

[unreal steeple]

Change it ? What do u mean ? We the humans who do this, how can we change something that we do it ourselves? Existence is bound to continue like this unless at least an exception is made

[unreal steeple]

Most of people don't speak English?

[thorny steeple]

most of them knows some basic English language i think but you can find English speakers usually in big cities, among The younger generation and professionals are more likely to be fluent

[shy summit]

No need to dominate anything…?

[thorny steeple]

It is helpful to know some basic mandarin anyway

[alpine dragon]

thats what i want to say,too

[manic juniper]

Reptile hegemony is just

[thorny steeple]

You were just saying that nah include the Uyghurs and Tibetan people generally

Basically most people do practice religion mostly like in rural areas

[alpine dragon]

Yes, because the church will give eggs. If you are a believer

[tender osprey]

Sorry if I am confusing you, but what I meant is that human nature behavior is greedy. Even if you manage to make a difference, there'll be always a greedy person who'll be against that thing.

Indeed. The poor want to be rich while the rich want to stay rich. They don't want to be as equal

[unreal steeple]

The first part of what you said is correct. Comparing the environment in which you lived to the principles of humanity in general is wrong. In reality, the majority are the ones who constitute greed, while the minority are the ones who desire to fight it (without making any moves on the ground, except for those whom God has mercy on)

[prisma cipher]

Rich wanna be more rich

[feral river]

Nah we need to dominate everything for our interest

At least everything we can

Every country is trying to do so no exception

You guys are the dominant power ofc you don’t want to be challenged

Same logic for us if we are the country which controls almost everything around the world

National interest above all

And our government is struggling to be beneficial to us

Only.

And we are determined to get what we wanted on the world for us

Survival for the fittest

Lol now I guess Donald Trump himself is above the law

You guys can convict him but can’t arrest him

He is a person who committed felonies, but judges can’t do anything to him @shy summit

Trump got sentenced to “no sentence”

[shy summit]

He’ll get his eventually

[feral river]

He is a criminal, he committed felony

But judges can’t do anything on him

He can be a dictator if he want I think

A guy who committed felony could be the president of the United States

That was irony

[shy summit]

No we have guardrails

[feral river]

Without personal feelings to Donald Trump, I wanna say your system has broken

There’s no anything could justify a person who committed felony can be sentenced to none while leading the country

[uncut tiger]

why is selling drugs illegal but selling porn is not

[hexed mauve]

Idk

[hexed mauve]

Sex is our biological need?

[uncut tiger]

porn isnt sex

[void arch]

it s about profet and money

[elder seal]

Bro's having sex through his pc

[elder seal]

If that was true, then drugs would also be legal

[uncut tiger]

its about distractions

propaganda

[void arch]

drugs are legal ..like alcohol segarets

[elder seal]

Can be said about any social activity

[elder seal]

Sure - And marijuana isn't, neither is cocaine etc.,

[uncut tiger]

yes

[hexed mauve]

But you're getting ar0u$ed and 0rga$m

[elder seal]

Being a simulacrum isn't the same as the deal itself - And you get stimuli from drugs

[void arch]

they avoid making their society instable so they ll kill their citizens .. they want a way where they can make money without causing a lot of damage that leads to death in a small period

[elder seal]

Again - This is irrelevant. Your argument is that porn is legal and drugs isn't because of profit and money; this is nonsensical because all illicit drugs are a billion dollar industry

[void arch]

i said why bcz the damage of some type of drugs is very dangerous to the society and economy ... add that the ppl see porn safer than those type of drugs

[hexed mauve]

Who would watch porn if they could get to have s3x with anybody? Desire n pleasure

[elder seal]

Great - So then your first argument was wrong. #🧠｜serious-chat message

[void arch]

i just didnt put it in a the right form

im eating

[elder seal]

I don't see why that's relevant to anything that's been said so far. Your argument is a naturalistic fallacy - Sex is as natural as lack of sex

[void arch]

lol

[hexed mauve]

So without taking external substance you're playing with your body and imagination n tricking yo brain into pleasure

[elder seal]

Yes. This doesn't mean much. The reasoning for why 'sex is a biological need,' but many drugs and substances trigger similar biological needs; dopamine is pretty much essential for very basic human functions

[hexed mauve]

Masturbation is

[elder seal]

So the argument - "Porn is legal due to biological need" goes for drugs too

[void arch]

porn is addiction is a more dangerous than heroine and coca** in case of damaging the brain ,]..read book "brain under

[hexed mauve]

Dopamine is there to motivate n reward you to survive n reproduce

[elder seal]

Exactly. A biological need. It also interacts with mood, movement and memory

[torpid dirge]

Wow interesting topic

[elder seal]

cause of adhd is a lack of dopamine, or fried dopamine responders

[void arch]

book :your brain under the influence of porn by gary wilson

[elder seal]

Nobody is arguing for or against porn

[void arch]

just a benificial book recommendation

[elder seal]

Sure - but the subject is also highly contentious

Due to difficulty establishing causation

[hexed mauve]

That doesn't make any sense, you don't directly need drugs they're not biological need, you're 'abusing' your body with it

[elder seal]

Neither is masturbating or sex. So again, your argument is either wrong, or it's wrong.

[torpid dirge]

What's common similarities between sex nd masturbation

[elder seal]

I could go my entire life without sex

[elder seal]

Sexual arousal and stimuli

[thick pulsar]

Lol no, heroin and cocaine are hard drugs that can directly cause damage in certain regions of the brain and fundamentally alters the brain’s rewards pathway, you absolutely can not compare any sort of sexual activity to it

[void arch]

its due to power of this industry that make ppl rethink before judging them by facts and scientific evidences

[hexed mauve]

Your body is wired to survive and reproduce

[elder seal]

That's an assumption without any substantiation on your part. It also doesn't make it wrong.

[elder seal]

Same as my body is wired towards acquiring dopamine - I.e., drugs

So your argument really doesn't make any sense

[void arch]

there is a study by a scientist shows that the damage of the brain caused by pron is higher and dangerous than those type of drugs just look up at google

[torpid dirge]

So that we can say objectively we could survive without sex in our whole life ?

[hexed mauve]

Not through drugs, dopamine is a reward that encourages you to do things such as eating the better food, sleeping, gaining information, reproducing etc

[elder seal]

We can. And many do. And many die without ever having it

[thick pulsar]

No, that’s just plain wrong. Drugs physically change our bodies in ways that are often immediate and life threatening, porn does not. End of story.

[void arch]

https://neurosciencenews.com/neuroscience-pornography-brain-15354/

[elder seal]

This doesn't mean anything. Your argument is that it's a natural impulse. If acquiring dopamine is a natural impulse, it's as natural to get dopamine through drugs as it is through porn; both are a simulacrum.

[void arch]

https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/pornography-changes-the-brain/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3050060/

[elder seal]

Doesn't matter if i have dopamine to acquire food - Sure, i also have sexual lust to get sex, doesn't justify your view of porn. If anything, it justify the view against it by making it a parralel to drugs

[hexed mauve]

Acquiring dopamine is not your goal

[elder seal]

Neither is 'sex' under this assumption.

[hexed mauve]

I'm not saying porn is good either

[elder seal]

Because reason why people want sex is because it gives pleasure; same way doing drugs is. Dopamine is a mechanism towards food, same way arousal is towards sex. So the parralel is 1-1 between porn and drugs

[torpid dirge]

So why does ppl need it to survive with biological need ?

[void arch]

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/brain-activity-in-sex-addiction-mirrors-that-of-drug-addiction

[elder seal]

Doesn't matter - There's a clear parralel between both

[thick pulsar]

Notice how the language throughout the article doesn’t directly address that it’s as bad as hardcore drugs, it only mentions that compulsive porn watchers might have similar psychological issues to those found by drug users, but that’s the keyword, compulsive. This is nothing a normal person has to fear compared to anyone who consumes even the tiniest amount of a hardcore drug like cocaine.

[elder seal]

So, this is where my inner scientist comes out - How do they show this. It's one thing they claim to show something, the problem is how they do it.

[thick pulsar]

It’s all nothing but sensationalist fearmongering, the average person has nothing to fear as long as they follow the golden rule of moderation and not allowing something to control their life

[void arch]

biological need can be fulfilled by marriage or a real relationship.. not by porn it lead to addiction of ur brain to these things can affect ur brain specially ur cortex that is responsible for crucial activities in daily life

[elder seal]

That's the thing exactly to notice. Correlation is used as a stand-in for causation. That's why articles like this should be read with a pair of critical glasses

[void arch]

here about drugs

[void arch]

.

[shy summit]

The pleasure aspect can be

[prisma cipher]

I have a few questions about these studies, how did they control people, who were in the "didn't watch porn" group?

[torpid dirge]

Drug is different machenism to get relex body and pleasure but sex is far different from that ? Sex has to ntg with drug ? And dopamine is fuel of our body

[shy summit]

There are three factors to sexual activities and only one need be met at a time for minimal efficacy

[elder seal]

The parralel is that we meet certain bodily desires through a substitute to what those desires often mediate.

[shy summit]

Pleasure, pair-bonding, reproduction

[elder seal]

Even then - Is what they find a matter of reverse causation. For instance, is it porn that makes people impulsive, or impulsive people that watch porn?

[shy summit]

The latter

It’s the chasing of dopamine

[void arch]

porn addictives defending porn

[elder seal]

I'm not going to take a side in this. Because there's general argument in favor of either case. And there's reason to contemplate both arguments.

[shy summit]

Thus why ADHD people are more prone to addictive behavior

[elder seal]

Even if someone's addicted to porn, doesn't mean the defence of it is wrong

[void arch]

everthing is presented by evidence u all just arguing on waste

[shy summit]

That’s a big reach to say people here are porn addicts

[thick pulsar]

Read the first line of the article please, it directly says that this should not be taken as porn being as addictive as drugs lol

[void arch]

im not generalizing

[elder seal]

'Presented by evidence,' the evidence you've supplied offers nothing conclusive. It offers statistical correlations, not causality

[hexed mauve]

Our brain produces the neurotransmitters which are essential for mood regulation, pain tolerance n memory etc but Drugs mimic it and activate the same receptor excessively

[elder seal]

Same way that porn and masturbation simulate sexual gratification and the sexual act, yes.

[void arch]

https://time.com/2977279/sex-addiction-brain-activity-drug-addiction/

[torpid dirge]

I haven't saying that porn is good for our Brain and whatever but drug ? U guys really think that drug and sex has same machenism to get body relax and give pleasure?

[void arch]

addicting porn is not like having real intercource

[thick pulsar]

Why do you keep pulling articles that literally say the same stuff when we already established that compulsive != average people lol?

[elder seal]

So I know this article. This article's study doesn't prove the claim it presents, rather, it shows that people who are chronic porn watchers show similar symptoms to drug addicts. In statistics, we learn to read these type of articles critically; confounder variables are often to be considered.

[void arch]

" The new study, published in the journal PLOS ONE shows that sex addiction, scientifically known as compulsive sexual behavior, may actually be similar to drug addiction in the brain."

look

[elder seal]

Studies are not true simply because they're studies.

[thick pulsar]

That’s like saying water is dangerous because you can die if you drink a certain amount of it, while forgetting to mention that the amount is so ridiculously high that most people have nothing to fear, it’s just fearmongering.

[void arch]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419

[elder seal]

Or that cancer causes life because it happens in living organisms

[void arch]

idc if u dont believe in the evidence

[elder seal]

I don't "believe" the "evidence" because what you've presented isn't actual evidence for the claim you've made. That's the point. What you've supplied are correlations that fail to prove causality

[void arch]

this research compare the brain of an addict to porn to another addict to drugs

[shy summit]

Its not nearly the same

[elder seal]

That's why I'm asking you how they acquire those results

[thick pulsar]

I don’t know what to tell you, a study doesn’t mean it’s magically true. You really need to research more on how Academia works lol, trust me it’s not as honest as it seems.

[void arch]

the one of the addict to porn is worse

[thick pulsar]

If you can specifically explain why this should be a concern I’ll switch to your side

[hexed mauve]

That's true, but unlike the case of water, when you're getting pleasure your body can't easily stop it, you're overstimulated

[elder seal]

Blind trust of science is a fool's game - 71% of all scientific publishing is factually incorrect, that's sufficient reason enough to doubt something

[shy summit]

The issue is that drug addiction is simply far worse because its not only worse in severity but also because of the added side effects

[thick pulsar]

I mean, I’d argue that you can’t easily stop drinking water either lol

[shy summit]

This ‘Mastrubation is Worse’ narrative has been pioneered since the 80’s

[elder seal]

I mean, it took 50 years to demonstrate the smoking was bad for you. Before that, there was no clear evidence that it was a negative; even today we find evidence for the so-called 'smoker's paradox' that shows how smoking can help expand your lifespan.

[void arch]

it damages ur brain it snot natural for a human to be exposed to such material in this huge scale .. its will damage ur sexual activity in real life and make u all the time thinking of porn and when u can watch it again

[elder seal]

we see it with the obesity paradox too; which is a statistical outcome due to a collider stratification bias, a statistical bias where we fail to control for a variable - In this case smoking - which makes obesity seem like it's health improving

[void arch]

it just a suicide

[thick pulsar]

Great, so what is the “scale” you refer to? Because I assume you must know the specifics and all since you seem so sure

[void arch]

those research are done by well know universities and institutes .. ll be amazed if was saying porn is good for ur health

[prisma cipher]

Give link to science research, it time journal.

[shy summit]

We had a similar claim with alcohol

[void arch]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419

[elder seal]

Exactly. And a lot of it wasn't even conspiracy theory stuff. It's all due to the fact that statistics don't lie, people lie with statistics; or rather, people often time interpret statistics due to cognitive biases

[shy summit]

Indeed

[elder seal]

and we have an entire book industry around interpreting results in a sensationalist way, as you said above

[thick pulsar]

You still don’t get it, I never once said that it’s “good for you”, I said that you are fearmongering. In order for any of the risks of what you mention to come through, one must have an addiction, something that can literally be said for anything else one can get addicted to. A normal person has nothing to fear

[elder seal]

Why I ask for 'method and data' and not 'results'

[prisma cipher]

Bulshit. Nothing to discuss.

[thick pulsar]

The title literally says correlates lol. Correlation isn’t causation.

[prisma cipher]

Why people even argue with you

There is nothing

[void arch]

bro u dont start addictive from the beginning like alcoholics they dont start as addicted they just start with small amount and then their tolerance get higher and higher until addiction .. it says "prevention better than cure "..

[elder seal]

Again. You say this, but you've not described how these studies comes to their results

[prisma cipher]

It bulshit not studies.

[elder seal]

Most studies are bullshit, so it's both

[prisma cipher]

Just forget about links that he send

[torpid dirge]

These researchs has not proof yet ... they're just neurologist article who claims about that

[prisma cipher]

No, it depends where it was posted

[elder seal]

That's not remotely true.

[prisma cipher]

His links is nothing

[elder seal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis Most peer reviewed papersa re generally and factually incorrect

[torpid dirge]

Maybe some but not all ....

[thick pulsar]

This study is riddled with flaws that make its conclusions shaky at best. First, it relies on a heavily biased sample, comparing an extreme, self-selected group against a control group cherry-picked for its lack of any issues. Second, the diagnostic criteria are subjective and controversial, relying on self-reports rather than objective measures. Third, it fails to fully account for confounding factors like depression, anxiety, and impulsivity—factors that could easily explain the findings. The sample size is too small to be statistically robust, and the lack of diversity makes it impossible to generalize the results. Lastly, the neuroimaging data is overhyped—brain activity alone doesn’t prove causation, and the study leaps to conclusions it can’t support. This isn’t evidence; it’s a house of cards dressed up as science.

[void arch]

im not forcing u to accept their result im just showing what those researcher so far find of some encouraging evidences that addiction of porn is harmful for brain and likely can be dangerous as drugs

[elder seal]

Most means majority - It also depends on fields; but if you watch Sabine Hossenfelder, we see a widespread practice of terrible science in theoretical physics, sociology, medicine, economics, political science, even in biology

[elder seal]

Again. To reiterate the point stated above. Their 'evidence' isn't evidence, that's the point we've made so far. Having results and claiming what those results say are two different things; a study from Denmark showed citizenship reduced immigrant crime - Is that because citizenship lowers crime, or because people with a lower propensity to do crime are more likely to seek and get citizenship?

[torpid dirge]

But porn addiction has not claim yet that it's real addictive mental health problem

Most research say that tooo

[prisma cipher]

I'll explain to you how all respected scientific journals work. They receive a study with a request to publish it. They create an independent group of scientists in a related specialty, they check the data, and only then publish the information. Or don't publish. Those news that getting into news most often don't go through fact checking and never published.

[elder seal]

This doesn't meaningfully prove your argument.

[void arch]

i don't have to convince anyone from u .. do whatever u want

[elder seal]

And you're just saying things I know. Peer-review is an imperfect mechanism to acquire truth; riddled with biases and often time what we call publication bias

We also have nationality bias; truth biases etc., in peer review. Scientists are less likely to review or give thumbs up to an article that disagrees with their pre-established views, even if it's made in a better manner with stronger conclusive evidence for its proposition

The most common bias is of course publication bias.

[void arch]

if that didnt convince u try this one https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3050060/

[prisma cipher]

there is no subject for discussion here if a person sends as evidence a link not to a study but to an article in the news. I wrote how it is published in the news

[elder seal]

So no, it doesn't depend on where it's posted @prisma cipher - This argument is firstly, what we in logic call a genetic fallacy. I.e., it's a logical fallacy; an article that isn't peer reviewed can be as true, if not more true, than one that is. Secondly, peer review is not even establishment for certainty of proof, but my reflect deeper systematic biases

[void arch]

if u read just this one u ll find why addiction of porn is dangerous

[elder seal]

Articles refers to studies. This is pretty much most of them.

[prisma cipher]

No

[void arch]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419 this a study not a news

[elder seal]

And secondly, @prisma cipher this is a scientific paper.

[shy summit]

Let’s narrow this down, do you mean porn or mastrubation

[thick pulsar]

Same story, different package. The study leans on borrowed data, cherry-picks comparisons, and draws sweeping conclusions without solid, original research to back them up. It’s all speculation, no substance—another house of cards waiting to collapse under scrutiny.

[elder seal]

Yea. The case you're giving is a scientific article from a scientific journla

[shy summit]

I wanna narrow down specifically what you mean Ayoub.

[torpid dirge]

Por no graphy is not addictive machenism in term of disorder called csbd

[elder seal]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0102419 it even gives you its DOI @prisma cipher

[void arch]

porn

[shy summit]

To an extent I would agree but for more sociological reasons

[elder seal]

CSB subjects were recruited via Internet-based advertisements and from referrals from therapists. Healthy volunteers were recruited from community-based advertisements in the East Anglia area. For the CSB group, screening was conducted using the Internet Sex Screening Test (ISST) [32] and an extensive investigator-designed questionnaire on details including age of onset, frequency, duration, attempts to control use, abstinence, patterns of use, treatment and negative consequences. CSB subjects underwent a face-to-face interview with a psychiatrist to confirm they fulfilled diagnostic criteria for CSB [6], [33], [34] (Table S1 in File S1) focusing on compulsive use of online sexually explicit material. All participants met proposed diagnostic criteria for Hypersexual Disorder [6], [33] and criteria for sexual addiction [34] (Table S1 in File S1).
This is its methodology. This is a questionable method

It also only has a dataset of 38

so the methodology is already questionable alongside its data-set being too small to say anything

[elder seal]

Study has a questionable methodology + it has too small a data-set to say anything conclusive

[void arch]

i would agree on that but thats not enough to reject it

[shy summit]

I would argue it presents an unhealthy objectification of relationships due to capitalism.

[torpid dirge]

Bruhh it has been claimed that porn is not addictive machenism it's disorder....

[elder seal]

Actually, it is enough to reject it. Its method doesn't support any conclusion, because it can be explained by a series of counterfactual cases, like you know, picking participants from a therapist?

[mystic bay]

This is why philosophy is better. You don't need to fuss with silly old experimental methods. You can just uncover the immutable laws of reality in the shower.

[void arch]

u have to prove that !

[elder seal]

It's written in the paper

[torpid dirge]

Philosophy is addictive too but

[elder seal]

The current study has multiple limitations. First, the study involved only heterosexual male subjects, and future studies should examine individuals of various sexual orientations and females, particularly as girls with mental health concerns may exhibit high rates of CSB [67]. Second, although CSB subjects in the study met the provisional diagnostic criteria and demonstrated functional impairment relating to sex using multiple validated scales, there currently exist no formal diagnostic criteria for CSB and thus this represents a limitation for understanding the findings and placing them within the larger literature. Third, given the cross-sectional nature of the study, inferences about causality cannot be made.

Like, literally, the author acknowledges his study can't prove anything

[void arch]

philosophy dont lead to any truth if it was based on hyper-doubting

[thick pulsar]

I have a question for you, do you play videogames?

[elder seal]

And:

Thus, the small sample and lack of a whole brain corrected approach is a limitation.

[mystic bay]

I agree, but not all philosophers are Descartes

[elder seal]

Why I moved away from science tbh - Too many poorly made studies within my field and too many idiots believing them

[mystic bay]

And even Descartes thought that he could establish a lot (whether or not he actually did is another matter)

[void arch]

yes

but not much

[thick pulsar]

Ah, so you play video games? Careful now—did you know gaming can be addictive? By your logic, the fact you play at all must mean you’re one step away from losing your job, skipping meals, and shouting “one more level” as your life crumbles around you. Sounds ridiculous, right? That’s because engaging in a behavior doesn’t automatically make it a harmful addiction. Context, control, and individual circumstances matter—otherwise, we’d all be addicts just for enjoying things. See how that argument falls apart?

[elder seal]

My speciality was within stigmatization and discrimination;did a project where we essentially questioned common place assumptions and I later did a few works on civil society and elections - Most of the area is pseud-garbage

[elder seal]

I'd recommend Oswald Spengler's decline of the west - Love my meta-history

[thick pulsar]

Under your arguments you used for porn, it doesn’t really matter if you are a casual gamer or a hardcore gamer, both are at risk of “addiction”, see why claiming absolutes is never a good idea and a slippery slope?

[void arch]

playing games is not like as porn addiction where ur health is in serious danger .u r doing false comparison

[thick pulsar]

Oh, I see—so now playing games is fine because you do it, but suddenly, it’s different when it’s something you don’t like? Let’s not pretend that gaming can’t have its own health risks—physical inactivity, eye strain, even mental health issues like aggression or escapism when overdone. But here’s the thing: moderation matters. Just playing a game doesn’t mean you’re on the path to addiction, the same way watching something online doesn’t automatically destroy your health. False comparisons? No, it’s exposing how cherry-picking arguments to fit your narrative doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

I’ll stop now, but hopefully you realize the point im trying to make

[void arch]

the thing is not ur in risk of addiction it about the time u watch porn ur addictive it s like drugs u cant stop from the first try .. but gaming is more controlled behavior than porn or drugs

[shy summit]

Actually the effect is similar on the brain

In fact anything that rewards dopamine can be similarly addictive

[torpid dirge]

Descartes was modernity philosopher + french scientist too ,

[void arch]

yes but sport is not as like watching porn

its false comparison

[shy summit]

Its not neurologically

The only difference might be the long term lung and muscle usage

[void arch]

but behaviorally

[shy summit]

Yes but as I said, anything that rewards dopamine has similar risk

[void arch]

u have a good point but ur making a false comparison

[prisma cipher]

you are basically talking nonsense, and therefore all arguments based on this are nonsense. You waste of time. You literally make me waste 10 minutes of mi time on reading this research because journal is legit. But information is remotely close with what you say.

[shy summit]

Its not a false comparison Ayoub its actually regarded in a similar capacity by the field in question

[thick pulsar]

You’re right that gaming and other behaviors aren’t exactly the same, but the point isn’t about making a direct comparison—it’s about showing how labeling something an “addiction” without considering context or moderation is overly simplistic. If we’re going to call something harmful just because it activates the brain’s reward system, then a lot of everyday behaviors, like gaming, social media, or even enjoying coffee , could fall into the same category. It’s not about false comparisons; it’s about consistency in how we evaluate these things. Wouldn’t you agree?

[shy summit]

I think you may be attaching a moral value here

[void arch]

the thing is the tolerance of ur brain is equilibred when u do sport over time .. but in porn ur brain is exposed to a dangerous amount of dopamine and ur brain essentially cant handle it so the tolerance get higher and higher and that is what seriously damages ur brain .
not to mention the physical changes that porn can cause .. that damages ur brain and essentially ur mental and social health

[shy summit]

Its not, what you’re thinking of is the other benefits

[void arch]

u just didnt get the context of why porn is deff .. and those studies essentially show u how it s deff

[prisma cipher]

the article says that some brain reactions are similar to reactions from drugs. what does a person with strange logic do. he thinks that drugs harm the brain, and therefore sex harms the brain. there is nothing to discuss here

But if you stupid you can keep going

[void arch]

sex is not watching porn

[torpid dirge]

Ur neurologist?

[void arch]

are u addicted

[void arch]

no

[peak summit]

[shy summit]

It has the same effect,

The only difference is the social expectation created

[void arch]

no its not its very deff..

[mystic bay]

Dude, I know

[prisma cipher]

There is nothing about porn.

[torpid dirge]

Researcher, scientist?

[void arch]

u can say medical student

[torpid dirge]

Mbbs ? Or phd

[prisma cipher]

If you talking about porn, this article is twice bulshit. Because they don't research porn influence

[void arch]

PhD

[void arch]

have u read it

[torpid dirge]

Y didn't get my point he's also scientist so he's philosophy doesn't rely on believing or something about truth

[torpid dirge]

Bruhh stop that shit

It's over

[void arch]

he is addicted

[mystic bay]

[void arch]

he got pissed off

easily

[shy summit]

I think you’d be better off arguing social issues of negative image @void arch

[torpid dirge]

Why do you guys asserting on this topic repeatedly when u haven't a single logically factor about that ?

[void arch]

im just kidding with him

[prisma cipher]

Did you read it?

[mystic bay]

I have no idea what that means but it sounds like it's probably wrong

[void arch]

well philosophically will not offer us any beneficial fact about it .. we need to observe scientifically and experience the scientific data for this subject

[void arch]

yes

[prisma cipher]

Doubt it.

[mystic bay]

About what?

[void arch]

about phonography addiction

[prisma cipher]

You simply have no arguments if you refer to this article.

But journal is legit it was my mistake

[mystic bay]

Descartes doesn't say anything about pronography addiction (although he did have a sexual fixation with girls with a lazy eye)

[void arch]

it s just a matter of investigating and searching

[prisma cipher]

I think I unblock Minecraft, and block you, best decision of the day

[torpid dirge]

Truths rely on the knowledge and belief not doubting

[prisma cipher]

Nice

[void arch]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[mystic bay]

Of course

[prisma cipher]

Main thing don't forget to unblock Chinese dude

Later

[peak summit]

[torpid dirge]

But doubtful maybe false but that truth is undoubted

[mystic bay]

[shy summit]

The research is inconclusive about the neurological effects on viewers but the data is a bit more ominous on it’s social impact

[torpid dirge]

Bruhh stop stop plz

[void arch]

https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/pornography-changes-the-brain/ read this one but the bad thing is that the study has been done on smaal number of ppl

[prisma cipher]

the article says that people with compulsive sexual disorder react to sex scenes similar to getting drugs, the brain signals are similar. this guy concludes from this that this means that it harms the brain. and not research, that's why he is i blocked. Like person who my wasted time. Nothing personal

[void arch]

the most important is the health impact and physical impact which is been likely demonstrated to be existing in porn addiction

[shy summit]

It’s still inconclusive, and so far its shown to be no worse than any other behavioral addiction

[prisma cipher]

if he came up with it himself, he's a genius of course, but I think he's quoting someone, someone evil but smart, who likes to implant idiotic ideas into people's heads

[void arch]

bro u didnt read anything: results
1-the brain circuitry between the prefrontal cortex (the decision-making part of the brain) and the reward system was reduced.
2-the heavier users had less grey matter .

[shy summit]

My concerns lie more in the objectification of women and portrayal of unhealthy relationships which lead to unrealistic expectations.

[void arch]

it changes the brain and it s not dangerous as drugs.. that also physically change the brain ?!!

[void arch]

yes thats also some bad consequences .. but ppl would argue that its not bad as long as it doesnt affect ur brain or physical health

[shy summit]

Depends what drug in question you’re referring to and the severity of the case

[shy summit]

I actually think that it’s worse. Leading to unhealthy expectations in heterosexual men,

[void arch]

i dont have any knowledge about that

[mystic bay]

And the glorification of fornication

[void arch]

yes its worse but ppl would argue the opposite ..so u have to prove them wrong scientifically

[shy summit]

Well obviously not all drugs are similarly dangerous. Canabis derivatives are much less dangerous than alcohol for a number of reasons

In the same way, the body’s natural responses can’t rival modern synthetics

[void arch]

Neyro dont know what grey matter and the prefrontal cortex means to the health of his brain

[shy summit]

True but while the user’s brain is only affected neurologically, everyone they interact with is affected socially

[void arch]

that's consequently true

i learn a lot have a good day all

[prisma cipher]

Black Chinese matter

[feral river]

maybe so let's make more profit

sell it to the people

and tax them

Russia's war machine is somehow relying on alcohol lol

American's supremacy is relying on the soldiers who stationed in the middle east

[torpid dirge]

Bruhh grey matters is referred from American english, and most of medical course book's written in Britisian mathod,I'm medical student too ...but I haven't even know what does it mean ..

[mystic bay]

Medicine is yucky

[torpid dirge]

What is difference between yucky and Lucky?

[prisma cipher]

Unblocked

[mystic bay]

Lucky is fortunate. Yucky is gross.

[torpid dirge]

Yucky is informal adjective and Lucky is formal....

[void arch]

Grey matter contains most of the brain's neuronal cell bodies.it includes regions of the brain involved in muscle control, and sensory perception such as seeing and hearing, memory, emotions, speech, decision-making, and self-control. so less Grey matter is literally bad mental health

[fathom adder]

*Literally

[void arch]

its beautiful

[mystic bay]

Lucky is pretty informal too . . .

[torpid dirge]

Hm like fortune...

[void arch]

my favorite subjects are anatomy and biochemistry

[thorny steeple]

lol i was accidentally seeing this pics lamo

from this discord

[torpid dirge]

My fav pharma and patho ....

But we have limitations

[void arch]

which year are u in?

i think patho begins from third yr

[torpid dirge]

3 rd but haven't find a way to research on them

[void arch]

u have to

[hot venture]

Sorry for digressing from the topic but may I please know which field is your phD in @mystic bay ? I could really use some professional guidance

[mystic bay]

Philosophy

[torpid dirge]

Bruh i have a problem with my profession

[hot venture]

Oh wow. That's amazing. Thank you. You have a follower ✨

[lusty beacon]

Lucky can be informal too. Besides from that, differs a lot from yucky

[torpid dirge]

But luckey synonyms "fortune" is formal.....so yes... Lucky can be informal but not as adjective then

[lusty beacon]

But now you're talking about "fortune", the formal way of lucky... then that's different

[torpid dirge]

But both are same adjective so wheather it could be formal and informal....

[lusty beacon]

But the fact they are synonyms doesn't mean they have to be the same always, "formal/informal"

[torpid dirge]

But as a adjective they does

[lusty beacon]

Well, you can investigate and wise up yourself

[mystic bay]

This isn't interesting

[lusty beacon]

Perhaps. But it was quite serious...

[granite igloo]

is that supposed to be a pun?

[thorny steeple]

Do you listen to Richard Wagner, bro @dapper laurel

[thorny steeple]

Do you have a PhD title?

[fervent nexus]

Hello

[amber dome]

heyyy☦️☦️☦️☦️☦️

Do someone know the thema for exam?

@delicate totem sorry sir but im lost

[midnight abyss]

Came in response to the call, your majesty

[desert nebula]

Bro😭😭

[tiny pilot]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Hey

[midnight abyss]

Sry, i was taking my driving class
Here is my suggestion, if you want to know whether a Chinese person's political opinion based or not, tell them you love Taiwan's democracy and support Taiwan.
If they agree with you, fine, at least they support democracy and human rights. If they disagree, DON'T ARUGE, we respect their opinion too(tho we don't agree),so just let them alone. hope you can have good mood in every debates your majesty

Tbh racist nowadays generally becomes a word you can use everywhere as long as someone doesn't agree with you.
I believe most of us don't even bother to be rasict, what's the point of it, can't gain anything from it

[desert nebula]

i see, i hope you pass ur driving test later and dont brother yourself i know his answer already 😭 I'll try to be peaceful like you and stop arguing

[desert nebula]

yeah the word lost its meaning

[lunar ivy]

Do you realize that it is provocative for you to say such things in front of the Chinese?
How about the next time I say I love Israel and America in front of Muslims?

Some people don't realize how rude they are, many Muslims in particular.

Seriously, if you don't want people to dislike you, at least behave appropriately.

[manic juniper]

I love Mongolia

[shy summit]

Most people only use it when its warranted

[formal pilot]

Lmao my propaganda worked finally

[midnight abyss]

Thanks for reminding, you're partially right
But
The key point is that most Americans and Israelis genuinely love their countries, and they take pride in being part of the United States and Israel. Regrettably, the United States and Israel are indeed recognized as democratic nations, where their citizens, at the very least, enjoy a certain level of human rights and freedoms.
In contrast, take Taiwan as an example. I have several Taiwanese friends, including a close one, and none of them like China, they despise the idea of becoming part of it.(plz don't argue that, that's a fact)
What I’ve stated above is not from a national or political standpoint but from the perspective of human rights and freedom. Therefore, your argument does not hold to me

[manic juniper]

I wish Estonia annexed Finland

[midnight abyss]

[lunar ivy]

Sir, no one is talking to you about democracy and freedom, but you, as an outsider, are deliberately making provocative remarks in front of Chinese people, which is very disrespectful, and your intelligence is not good enough for you to think of that?

[lunar ivy]

Btw
Look at the number of gold medals your race has won in the Olympics and then talk to me about racism, you're the one being looked down upon, don't get it backwards.

[midnight abyss]

I'm not outsider, I'm actually a Chinese
I hope our country can be as freedom as Taiwan one day

[lunar ivy]

Ha! Chinese? Do you speak Chinese?

[manic juniper]

The only thing I can say in Chinese is 由你玩四年

[midnight abyss]

For sure ||你吃过了吗||

[lunar ivy]

Type it out. I don't click suspicious black things.

[midnight abyss]

i hope you enjoy your meal 希望你享受你的饭饭

[formal pilot]

#1096428803724673124

Click on the channel above and top ✅ on the first post, it'll help underprivileged grasshoppers suffering from malnourishment

[midnight abyss]

i blocked it because it's English server

[lunar ivy]

Some Southeast Asians like to pretend to be Chinese, it's disgusting.

[midnight abyss]

For some respect, I don't directly type Chinese out

[manic juniper]

Maybe he is Chinese but not from China

[lunar ivy]

Chinese are Chinese citizens, no one see them as Chinese in China
Southeast Asians are Southeast Asians

[midnight abyss]

For me, no problem
You see, lots of ppl here hate Japanese or Koreans (south btw)
But no one single Japanese or Koreans did one bad thing to me
So what's the point of hatred

[midnight abyss]

Unfortunately, I'm from China

[manic juniper]

I mean an ethnic Chinese, or Han

[lunar ivy]

Can you prove it?

Voice chat?

[manic juniper]

Interesting

[midnight abyss]

You'd kill me for that
If you know the situation here

[lunar ivy]

Lol, end of conversation, you are not Chinese

[midnight abyss]

We can't disagree with the political correction here, or we disappear

[lunar ivy]

and I'm going to block you

[midnight abyss]

I'm sry you think that way
But do as you wish

[manic juniper]

Your name is similar to the genocide Sayfo

[midnight abyss]

Fake news
It's not

[feral flower]

You are either a traitor to China or someone from another country trying to smear China. A frog in the well has no right to speak recklessly here.@midnight abyss

[midnight abyss]

You are?

I'm not speaking recklessly boy
Asking any Taiwanesee if they like to be a part of China

[balmy folio]

Hey,
Whom does chinese love?

[midnight abyss]

And I'm still not a traitor, that's not always focused on the shinning part of China, what underneath it, is 6000mils ppl have income below 300 dollars per month

What underneath it, is lots of ppl got locked down and burned to die in the covid
What underneath it, 30% unemployment rate of young ppl

I'm a Chinese, I love China from bottom of my heart

[feral flower]

Taiwan has been a part of China since ancient times. The people in Taiwan speak Chinese and have Chinese faces. It was only because the Kuomintang and the Communist Party of China fought and lost in the 1990s that they fled to Taiwan. How the Taiwan issue is resolved is a matter for the Chinese people. Who do you think you are? It's none of your business.

[midnight abyss]

So let's face the problems
Why deny every problems while speaking on your own?

[desert nebula]

girl wth why would he lie?? He's Chinese and i mentioned him btw

[midnight abyss]

Here we go again
Hahaha
Does the macro narrative provide 600 mil people with an income of more than 300 dollars?

[midnight abyss]

It's fine

I don't really care lol

[desert nebula]

=sword

[desert nebula]

ik you're just too kind 😭

[feral flower]

At a glance, you are clearly a fake Chinese person, slandering and defaming China from behind a screen. Our per capita GDP is 150,000 RMB. Our purchasing power parity is the highest in the world, and our economy is the second largest globally. You have no idea where you're from, some remote and impoverished place, and after listening to your backward media, you come here to smear China. Honestly, you are not worthy. You are just a bug in a dark corner of a gutter.

[feral flower]

Your income is only 300 dollars, so poor? You don't even understand our income, yet you speak nonsense. You are not worthy.

[midnight abyss]

Chill out bro

[feral flower]

What are you pretending to be?

[midnight abyss]

Don't insult others too hard
I bet you're so much angry now

[feral flower]

I'm being very calm right now, it's just that the dog is barking, and I need to hit it with a stick.

[midnight abyss]

So you're 小粉红
Then, our conversation is over

Like we said, never argue with 小粉红

[feral flower]

I don't get upset with animals, haha.

[balmy folio]

如果你们是中国人，请停止。

[midnight abyss]

bro, you see I never insulted you despite you insulted me with every sentences

That's the difference

[feral flower]

I didn't insult you. I was talking about animals, dogs. Did I say anything about you?

[midnight abyss]

So if you think Taiwan is a part of China
I respect you, let's stop it lol

[balmy folio]

你们来到我们的国家，掠夺我们的资源，所以请不要再来这里。 @midnight abyss

[midnight abyss]

[desert nebula]

why would he lie about his nationality ya zaki just stop this bs, he can have different views not all your fingers are the same

[feral flower]

That's really funny. Which country are you from?

[balmy folio]

I'm from Pakistan

We aren't going to give you Golden resources of Pakistan

[midnight abyss]

Chill out bro that can be considered as insult

If you want to disguise it, that's fine
You're smol pink anyways

[balmy folio]

You are strategic partners and friend You are pushing us that you will be become same like US

[feral flower]

Your military equipment was provided by us, and your ports were built by us. You, ungrateful wolf, are saying that we plundered your resources? That's really funny.

[balmy folio]

we are also fighting against India, didnt acept Tawan

But the resources in Bal are ours

we dont want chinese to take over there

[balmy folio]

We have alot of pressure becuse of it

[midnight abyss]

You don't need to argue with him too hard
He's nonsense because of Chinese political propaganda

Unfortunately

[feral flower]

You admit you're not Chinese, a traitor who eats from both sides.

[balmy folio]

Dont come out gwadar

[midnight abyss]

It will be like
Speaking one bad thing about China, especially ccp, you will be my enemies, even if you're right

[balmy folio]

do like ccp

[feral flower]

Without a strong motherland supporting you, you're just a second-class citizen wherever you go. You are a failure.

[balmy folio]

an honest review

[midnight abyss]

Oh yes
You're right
So plz stop it

btw, you don't decide if I'm a failure or not
That's another insult

[feral flower]

I don’t support any political party, but right now, we Chinese people are living happily, with money and strength. We are proud. Are you, a rat hiding in a dark gutter, envious? That’s why you’re jumping out to smear us.

[midnight abyss]

You really like insult others while chatting randomly

Why

[feral flower]

Jealousy has distorted your appearance.

[midnight abyss]

I don't really like to talk with you guys
But since I have time, i don't bother
You can't trigger me anyways

So what's your point

And what's your purpose

[flat hemlock]

Prosperous Humanity should be a goal

[feral flower]

The other person just insulted you, and you still haven’t learned your lesson? You’re just a clown, stop trying to get attention.

[flat hemlock]

Don't fight on other people's life effort talk only of your own personal

[midnight abyss]

China is not limited to Shanghai and Beijing

[feral flower]

I support your point of view.

[flat hemlock]

China or pakistan both are not born before Bharat , so keep quiet and do work

[midnight abyss]

Bro why he was insulted me already??

Damn bro
Im sry, you're too fkinf nonsense, I can't

[feral flower]

Are your eyes not working, or is it your brain? The video I sent you shows at least ten cities in China. Do you think China only has Beijing and Shanghai as developed cities?

[midnight abyss]

How many provinces China has?

[balmy folio]

Muhammad Bin Qasim was the first Pakistani

[flat hemlock]

By chatting here in a group nothing is going to change in the world , so go and learn some skills, take care of your family, live life long along with the world

[balmy folio]

Pakistan isn't a nation state

[midnight abyss]

Sry, bro
I really can't
You don't have a point, you don't have a common sense, all you say is ''China number 1 if you don't agree, you're a shxt''

So I quit
Everything you said is right

[feral flower]

It's okay, travel abroad more to see the world. Oh, right, you're poor, so you can only look at our country online and spread rumors and smear China.

[midnight abyss]

I'm sry to try to bring you some truth

😭

[flat hemlock]

No debate prize 🏆 for barking on who comes first , dinosaurs were long before us

[feral flower]

I only said that China has the highest purchasing power parity, not that China is number one. Don't try to confuse the issue here. I wasn't wrong when I said your brain isn't working.

[feral flower]

Look at you, so poor you’ve never seen the world.

[midnight abyss]

Why am i poor to you
Or any Chinese who want to support the poor in China

They're automatically poor to you?

[balmy folio]

then stop it about India

[midnight abyss]

I don't know any other things too much
But I know two
One: there're 600mil poor ppl here
Two: Taiwanesee don't like China

Argue that with your evidence stupid pink

[flat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-2024-gif-16159959286337714093

[feral flower]

First of all, I didn’t mention others, I was talking about you. You’re poor, not just materially, but also in your thinking. All you know is how to slander and defame other countries, instead of thinking about how to make your own country prosperous and strong. That’s why you deserve to be poor, a failure in life.

[night cedar]

Stupid pink? Lmao I'm gonna use that, new vocabulary

[midnight abyss]

You're welcome

[flat hemlock]

Stop india, pakistan, china

[midnight abyss]

Sir, yes sir

I stop

[balmy folio]

dont interfere in serious debate

if you have yapping only

[midnight abyss]

Sry if our conversation bothered others

[balmy folio]

do you guys love Pakistan?

[flat hemlock]

First go to school , you donkey national @balmy folio

[balmy folio]

Or see it as a partner only

[flat hemlock]

Living on us & china money and still trolling them online, don't forget india is your father

[midnight abyss]

I love you guys
I don't represent Chinese ppl
But me personally respect Pakistan

[night cedar]

Says who

[balmy folio]

discussions like these should be about constructive dialogue, not insults or name-calling. I know your hate

@static pivot

[flat hemlock]

Yes , but trolling pakistani is always funny and enjoying

[balmy folio]

We also like you guys, but due to certain things we got confronted from china

[balmy folio]

your arrogance is only overshadowed by your lack of respect. If you can't engage in a serious discussion without resorting to insults, maybe you're the one who needs a lesson in basic decency and maturity.

[flat hemlock]

Alright

[balmy folio]

India is a broken peace only from years you lived under muslims

[midnight abyss]

Political stuffs is political stuff
We just want to live our lives
So dw if you need to, you do your things to live better lives, i understand

[flat hemlock]

Discussion of shit isn't a serious discussion man , have economical talks , improving english and earning money 🤑💰

[feral flower]

China and Pakistan are allies, and you are our "Iron Brother" friends, with a strong relationship. As for some of the other things you've heard, they might have been spread by hostile countries, so don't take them seriously.Be cautious and avoid being deceived.

[flat hemlock]

At the end all human rats run for money, don't forget

[vestal grove]

[feral flower]

China is not like the United States; it does not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.

[balmy folio]

Yeah, our concern is about trade with India and Uygurs

[vestal grove]

🧐

[balmy folio]

thats why we are close to yu

[flat hemlock]

Yes , I can see peace in pakistan along with terrorism only , this nation is a sorry state of Pakistan, what progress did you achieve in the last 70 years

[feral flower]

Yes, we are strategic allies and brotherly allies. Don't be deceived by those with ulterior motives.

[balmy folio]

Only thing that confront are Uyghurs

[feral flower]

Some of the insurgents in Pakistan are supported by the United States and , as they don’t want Pakistan to become strong.

[balmy folio]

US left weapons in Afghanistan we are facing all the terrorism in our country because of it

[flat hemlock]

Pakistan is the only ally of dollars 💰, there army officer takes dollars and goes into Europe and us , but poor Pakistanis live there life in blunder, can't imagine governance like this

[balmy folio]

This is exactly false statement its a logical fallacy

[flat hemlock]

Who raised taliban along with us and dollars

[balmy folio]

To USSR, we were the next target

We have to do everything to protect us

[balmy folio]

They are our allys

[flat hemlock]

Men should accept its reality, then only he can improve in his life 🧬

[vestal grove]

im curious where are you from?

[balmy folio]

Our Army is best they interfere in politics for country else politicans would have destroyed us, also our Army fought against you guys they are best people

[flat hemlock]

I see , your ally is killing your National by bombings and all , don't lie man everyone knows truth , #TTP,#Talibam

[balmy folio]

We are talking about Afghan Taliban

[balmy folio]

If I start tlaking about India you will be left with no hideout

Mass Killings of Muslims

[vestal grove]

i see indian

[balmy folio]

Mass Systematically rape

[flat hemlock]

The nuclear info you beg from usa , 😂

[balmy folio]

USA sanctioned us after nuclear I see your ignorance

Our accounts got freezed

[flat hemlock]

You see , I can't

[balmy folio]

You are exposing your ignorance

[flat hemlock]

Before that event India built nuclear energy by its own technology 👋

[balmy folio]

We have second strike capability before India

[feral flower]

Every country has its own difficult history, but the one thing that cannot be stopped is our desire for a better life in our respective countries. Therefore, we don’t need to smear other countries; we should focus on developing and strengthening ourselves.

[flat hemlock]

Then why did you do such work that freezes your accounts 🙀

[balmy folio]

We stopped you in 65 war where US sanctioned but you were begging USSr for help

You begging your father in Kargil so that Pak Army can withdraw

[flat hemlock]

I can understand chinese history and I respect it , but not pakistan's cause there is no such nation 🤔🤗

[balmy folio]

Whatever we do its our choice we build nuclear after all by our seld not by USSR help

All of your progress is because of USSR and now USA not for yourownself

[flat hemlock]

I see who begged 50 million in 47

[vestal grove]

my brain crashed trying to comprehend how dumb this reply is

[feral flower]

It is said that Pakistan has now imported fifth-generation fighter jets, which shows that Pakistan is becoming very powerful.

[balmy folio]

Pakistan is a nation state, hahaha its an ideological nation

[flat hemlock]

At the end Pakistan forms on the basis of inhuman demand for religious beliefs, which helps india to become a nice country

[balmy folio]

yes you stole our money, You got all the infrsutructure and becam USSR baby

[balmy folio]

Systematically Rapes f Muslims, Declaring them Second class citizen destroying mosques make India great

OR ally of USA fake propaganda

[flat hemlock]

If someone is asking about existence , on the basis of killing innocent people by getting help of islamic talks , this is not going to work man , everyone sees where is pakistan and where is india and where is china

[flat hemlock]

Don't think more or else another strike will be there 😜😁😄

[balmy folio]

We developed everythhin on our own, we didnt used USA or USSR for development

[balmy folio]

Do you have anything else than trolling lol, why cannot you speak with facts

There is something called common sense

[flat hemlock]

Ohh I see who burnt trains by giving fatawa to kill everyone who is not Muslim ,

[balmy folio]

Assert proof for it

There was nothing like that

Again fake propaganda

[flat hemlock]

Do you have anything other than pakistan 🫠

[balmy folio]

We have our religion, Paksitan is based on relgion, so everything is our

Why do we need anything else than that

[flat hemlock]

Go and read world history after WW1

[vestal grove]

thats a dumb thing to say

[balmy folio]

but India is a hindutva state that belongs to hindu, sikh, christiansd muslims are systenmatically killed and raped

thats make india great

I have never seen such a dumb nation ever

There is some moral grounds where is your morality

[flat hemlock]

Then why there are Muslims in India , cause they know Pakistan is not islamic nation it is just a terrorist country 🤣🤣💪

[balmy folio]

Because they were unable to mgrate from there, aslo
Voice came from Parliament do India want pertitition again Muslims in your Parliament said that

Muslims in India want to come to Paksitan its internation media says that

[flat hemlock]

Everywhere in the world pakistan is the safest country, happy man , enjoy your time my grandson ❤️ #Donkeypakistan

[balmy folio]

Again Hindutva troller

see you got no hideout

[flat hemlock]

Yes 👍

Enjoy my son it's Sunday here 😚💖😀😁

[static pivot]

Hello there

Good morrow

@flat hemlock @balmy folio I've read all your comments and they are not nice.

Kindly maintain the server decorum and respect towards all nations.

And their people.

[molten laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[static pivot]

You both don't agree on something that's alright, you guys don't have to get personal and start insulting each other...

That won't lead anywhere but mute 🤐🔕

[balmy folio]

Can you mention a personal insult by Pakisani

[molten laurel]

i didn't expect it

[balmy folio]

My emphasize is complete on fact

[static pivot]

By you I suppose?

[balmy folio]

yes

[tough gull]

[static pivot]

Here

[static pivot]

Here

[static pivot]

Here

[balmy folio]

I admit this but the abov, I speak with facts

[balmy folio]

kashmir and destruction of mosques

[static pivot]

Your way of speaking is wrong

and it's insulting

You could have said that in a very different and neutral way

[balmy folio]

he was contantly indulting

[static pivot]

And so did you tho.

[tough gull]

@flat hemlock You have 2 hours to edit your messages. Any insult towards Pakistan should be removed or else the consequences shall be grave.

[static pivot]

In not saying he's right and you're wrong or something

I'm simply telling you both to not make it personal and stop insulting

Hope this makes sense

[tough gull]

This^^

[formal pilot]

Dyamm saying the whole nation is stupid is really absurd, you guys should comment on government, policies and regime

[tough gull]

🙃 well well well

[balmy folio]

I didnt started I alwasy said speak with facts then I started it

[balmy folio]

exactly

[formal pilot]

Serious chat is fun when we discuss Mexican lesbian lizards while avoiding ad hominem

[tough gull]

I wanna talk about the gay penguins that shook the world

Didn't one of the Penguins pass away recently?

It caused such an uproar on social media

[formal pilot]

Apparently it's not that hard to find homosexual penguins, there's a really famous homo penguin couple in zoo

[lucid flame]

[tough gull]

Yeah that's what I am talking about

[formal pilot]

There's no way, lemme Google

[tough gull]

They even made a nest together

And the zookeepers gave them babies to raise

[formal pilot]

That's really unfortunate, one of em died

[tough gull]

Yeah

It was quite a big news

There was even a video where the zookeepers took the other penguin to see the dead body of its partner for the last time

Everyone was crying

[formal pilot]

I haven't read anything about emotions in animals, seems like a really fascinating thing to learn

Unfortunately my bus is here, I've to go now

[lavish charm]

Halo

[night cedar]

Halo

[lavish charm]

You like me name?

[tacit slate]

hi

[real monolith]

Sup

[mystic bay]

Yes

[urban swift]

It's was certainly new for me knowing that dolphins commit grape too. Sometimes it's gang####

[urban swift]

If you own multiple pets you'll certainly know that they mourn deaths of their fellows. Their behavioural pattern changes.

We used to pet a couple of chicks. Their stories will amaze you

[dapper laurel]

Yes, one of my favourites

[tough gull]

By everyone I meant all the zoo keepers

[slender marsh]

helooo

whats up guys

[thorny steeple]

Sup where’s u from

[urban swift]

Ok

[thorny steeple]

I was looking it up on Chinese website and it’s so funny to see that it says,Our great lead forward was actually learned from Soviet Union

[thorny steeple]

You look like this dude @spice bobcat

[spice bobcat]

Hell nah

No we don't

[thorny steeple]

Ok karen

[spice bobcat]

You're the female

[thorny steeple]

Who said that

[spice bobcat]

Fatima

We know

[thorny steeple]

I never proved it tho

[spice bobcat]

Wait... That's true

He don't look like me tho

That's fs

[thorny steeple]

He does

[spice bobcat]

How bruv how

[thorny steeple]

Just look at him

[spice bobcat]

He look more like my friend

And I got a better beard

[thorny steeple]

Anyway he is handsome idk why you are getting angry

[spice bobcat]

Bruh

[spice bobcat]

Because I'm me bruv 😭

[thorny steeple]

Ok 👍🏻

[spice bobcat]

Bro said thumbs up

[thorny steeple]

Honestly The great lead forward drew some lessons and inspiration from the Soviet Union's but there were significant ideological ,goal models and practical differences

[spice bobcat]

Fatima do you wear glasses?

[thorny steeple]

Nope , why ? 🥲

[spice bobcat]

You should

What I do bro 😭

[thorny steeple]

Scarface , are you gay ?

[spice bobcat]

Very

[thorny steeple]

Ok go now

[spice bobcat]

But where

[thorny steeple]

Hell

[spice bobcat]

Threatening me with a good time, I like it

[thorny steeple]

Isn’t this serious chat?

[spice bobcat]

We starting a coup

[thorny steeple]

You guys why don’t go to chill chat

[spice bobcat]

Ok fine bye bye

Take care

[thorny steeple]

Bye

[spice bobcat]

Fatima, you changed??? Who hurt you?

[spice bobcat]

Hi again

[thorny steeple]

Do you know great lead forward in china history

[spice bobcat]

As close as I am to china, unfortunately no.

We haven't worked it out yet

[spice bobcat]

I lean more towards science

History ain't my thing

As in giving respect? Yeah

[thorny steeple]

Okay do you wanna hear

[spice bobcat]

I'm shooting myself

Fatima is my sister

Ask about biology bro 😭

[spice bobcat]

Nah I want to be tho

[spice bobcat]

I'll be honored

[thorny steeple]

Who is that idk

[thorny steeple]

The Great Leap Forward was a economic campaign under leadership by our former leader, and it caused the massive famine

During the great leap forward

We were feely to kill birds and rats and flies stuff

People collected body birds and received some bucks

Like 10 body birds they gave you 1 cent probably

[spice bobcat]

1 cent is a scam

You're chinese?

I'm Pakistani btw. We can be friends

[thorny steeple]

I gave up my Chinese citizenship

Rather not be Chinese

[spice bobcat]

Doesn't make you Less Chinese

Alright

But interesting tho

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[spice bobcat]

Was your former leader a communist?

I'm thinking about him

Like don't come at me

😭

[hushed pasture]

Hiii

[thorny steeple]

More like a capitalist, but anyway

[spice bobcat]

Ohhh well ty for explaining it to me

[thorny steeple]

Hahaha , in china he is considered the national hero tho

People hang his portrait on the wall

[spice bobcat]

Another fact I just learnt, tytytyty

[thorny steeple]

Usually like in rural areas, like peasants respect him

[spice bobcat]

That's sweet

What about now? Is china mostly communist or nah. Because I keep seeing things about chinese communism

[thorny steeple]

[spice bobcat]

Bro you gotta be subtle at least

[thorny steeple]

Ummm like

[thorny steeple]

it is more like capitalistic, they just call themselves communists , you mean government?

[spice bobcat]

Yes yes

I understand you ty for being patient bruv 😭 see you soon I gtg

[thorny steeple]

china just rules by communist people

More like an authoritarian regime

[thorny steeple]

Okay

so

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/3-mini-pig-gif-13074491487153638763

[native smelt]

In fact, they call it socialism with Chinese characteristics.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah For orthodox Marxists, socialism is the lower stage of communism

So like

[native smelt]

Do you know anything about socialism with Chinese characteristics? This is definitely not true socialism.

[thorny steeple]

But do you really think that

China is a socialist country ?

[thorny steeple]

I am not living in mainland china anymore

[native smelt]

I don't think so, because China has implemented a market economy since the reform and opening up.

[manic juniper]

Yes

[native smelt]

But in grass-roots society, there will be similar agricultural production cooperatives, which are similar to socialism, but only in rural areas.

[thorny steeple]

Yep The term common usage during the era of Deng tho , he makes china more capitalist

adopting elements of market economics, that was how , called it socialism with Chinese characteristics

[native smelt]

The gap between rich and poor is too wide, especially now.

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide

[thorny steeple]

Most of people aren’t rich tho in china, most of them come to big cities like shang hai, shenzhen like

To earn those low salaries

[native smelt]

Chinese people are very tired now, especially young people, middle school students, or college graduates, a large part of them do not have two days off, you know 996.

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper hello

[thorny steeple]

I knew it

996 it means like work 6 days a week 9 hours per day

?

[native smelt]

"996" is a Chinese internet slang term that refers to a work schedule of 9am to 9pm, 6 days a week. It became a symbol of the intense work culture in China's tech industry, particularly at major companies like Alibaba and Tencent.

This schedule is often associated with overwork, burnout, and a lack of work-life balance. While some employees may embrace the challenge and potential rewards of such a demanding schedule, many criticize it for its negative impact on employee well-being and mental health.

[thorny steeple]

I see

@native smelt how did know those things where u from

[manic juniper]

Wasn't that mostly abolished

[thorny steeple]

No idea gonna ask Minecraft dude

[native smelt]

china

Ha-ha

[thorny steeple]

I think most of companies do adopt those 996 working schedule, but it’s also very depending on the what kinda jobs and work you do

[thorny steeple]

okay

[native smelt]

You play Minecraft?

[thorny steeple]

What part of china

[thorny steeple]

I used to play a lot but now i don’t play

[native smelt]

A city in the southwest. I don't really want to say it.

[thorny steeple]

I see i see

[junior obsidian]

Nobody is free until Palestine is free🇵🇸

[dapper laurel]

🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

[junior obsidian]

NOOOO

Terrorist state

[dapper laurel]

Palestine is a terrorist "state"

[junior obsidian]

You mean Israel

it is NOT a war

attacking innocents is NOT a war

[dapper laurel]

Is there a war where people don't die?

[thorny steeple]

Okay free palestine

[dapper laurel]

October 7th?

[junior obsidian]

1 day vs YEARS

[dapper laurel]

Yes, and there will be an increasing need for it in the future

[junior obsidian]

it didn't begin during October 7th

[dapper laurel]

Because resources are needed, and many countries don't have them

[dapper laurel]

It all started when the coalition of Arab countries attacked the newly formed state of Israel

Arabs are the classic people who throw stones and hide their hand

[thorny steeple]

I love how china still keeps Russia legacy alive tho, when i came to china i still saw communist flag, or communist symbol on the road or street 😂😹@native smelt

https://tenor.com/view/cpc-communist-symbol-communism-china-cpc-ccp-gif-17153944994556327088

Anyway i love Communism

[junior obsidian]

???

[dapper laurel]

I think that the countries of the world will start to collaborate when a common problem is found for all, and I hope there will be, otherwise we will continue to fight each other for wealth and resources, as we always did

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/lenin-communism-meme-gif-19257164

[junior obsidian]

what

[thorny steeple]

Need the communist revolution?

[junior obsidian]

why do you like communism

[thorny steeple]

You can ask xi and numbers of ccp

[dapper laurel]

Ready to fail again

[junior obsidian]

I just want your point of view

[thorny steeple]

But in china was succeeded

[junior obsidian]

who's we 😭 😭 😭

bro thinks he's the leader

[dapper laurel]

The Chinese one is not true communism, perhaps true communism has never been applied

[junior obsidian]

but why do YOU like communism

[lapis sinew]

This guy is into everything.

[junior obsidian]

are you chinese ?

[dapper laurel]

Free from what?

Overdose of freedom

[thorny steeple]

Life

[junior obsidian]

Do you guys know Jean Marie Le Pen ?

[thorny steeple]

sorry i was just kidding

[balmy blade]

What's the most significant problem you've faced within your education?

This qs is for a research -- from the pov of students of the struggles in school/others ...
Feel free to answer

[thorny steeple]

Not this dude again

[thorny steeple]

Such a great musician. But my favorite one is Antonio Vivaldi

[spice bobcat]

Life's a lemon

Squeeze it before it squeezes you

[thorny steeple]

Tutorial pls

[spice bobcat]

https://youtu.be/ZJiEv6ipASM?si=c6CpZFB3nqjn6igB

[thorny steeple]

Thanks , it was super helpful , you owe my respect

[dense hollow]

Four Israeli soldiers were killed in north Gaza's Beit Hanoun during combat operations on Saturday, according to a statement released by the Israel Defense Forces.

The four fallen soldiers were identified as Sgt. Maj. (res.) Alexander Fedorenko, 37, from Bat Yam; Staff Sgt. Danila Diakov, 21, from Ma'aleh Adumim; Sgt. Yahav Maayan, 19, from Modi'in; and Sgt. Eliav Astuker, 19, from Ashdod.

[elder seal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/813161028460085282/1044311636997054464/B0363F1C-F28E-4C6A-92DD-C00BAB91F862.gif

[shy summit]

Okay? How were they killed

Gunfire? Explosions? Buildings fall on them? Maybe White Phosphorus? Submunitions?

[lapis sinew]

Mm, i kinda like him, but i respect your opinion. 😉

[shy summit]

You realize he’s a human sex trafficker… right…?

[lapis sinew]

Testify your statement, buddy.

[shy summit]

You wanna defend this….?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65959097

Still hasn’t been cleared btw

[lapis sinew]

Mate, he is innocent, you cant even prove he has done sex trafficking.

[shy summit]

He wouldn’t have been charged if there wasn’t a substantial threshold of evidence.

He tried to flee the country… twice… to avoid the trial…

[lapis sinew]

I don’t know mate, I don’t know entire history, maybe im wrong. But, i don’t know, i love him.

[lapis sinew]

If i was charged, i would do too.

[thorny steeple]

I am not a feminist btw , i just dislike some of his opinions

[shy summit]

He knows his ass is grass

[balmy folio]

Andrew Tate is a controversity

but he is better than else

[lapis sinew]

Yep, i don’t agree with all of his opinions. Only a fool with agree to someone’s all opinions. But, i lokey like some of the things he says.

[balmy folio]

I dont know much

but I want to know your opinion

[lapis sinew]

Mine ?

[balmy folio]

ye

[manic juniper]

You must really suck as a criminal to get arrested in Romania

[lapis sinew]

The things he says about women, they are kinda trash. Rest is good.

[shy summit]

Who

[thorny steeple]

He kinda disrespects us

[lapis sinew]

Yep, he surely does.

People are complex, and no one is 100% right all the time. But I think Andrew Tate says some things that make sense to me, like focusing on self-improvement, working hard, and building confidence. How men should walk, and talk.

[thorny steeple]

Euh

What the

[lapis sinew]

Everyone is different, buddy

[spice bobcat]

Does anyone think that men are objectified more than women

🤔

[tulip drift]

Guy's how to be millionaire ?

[void arch]

shame on u ..u defend a genocide ..where 10k kids dead by airstrikes and mostly in residential areas that should be safe zones

[dapper laurel]

I'm not defending a genocide, I'm defending the West, that's it

[void arch]

the same thing

good when u approve that

[dapper laurel]

Muslims mostly hate us, so I support western allies

[void arch]

who hates ?

[true pilot]

why do you think muslims hate you

[void arch]

that not a moral nor a logical thing that can encourage someone to defend a killer

or u say u hate islam

[void arch]

judging ppl by others in not quite good when innocents dies

specially kids

[spice bobcat]

Why must you side against a majority, for the insults of a few.

[dapper laurel]

I am not defending a genocide, or a specific country or anything else, I am defending the West, and the values it professes, especially if a Western ally is attacked immediately after its creation

[lapis sinew]

If this is true, its the craziest video i have seen.

[dapper laurel]

If you talk about that war, everyone is guilty

You defend them just because they are Muslims, you don't care how immoral a war can be, otherwise you would have defended the other side too, but no, and the reason is evident

[lapis sinew]

Emotions overcomes the logic sometimes, mate. 🥲

[tidal forum]

guys i have a research

can u answer some questtion for me on google docs

https://forms.gle/gpUpmvhMcNbQpw9C9

it would me alot to me

[mystic bay]

You need Aristotle

[balmy folio]

read Iqbal

[mystic bay]

What do you recommend?

[balmy folio]

Do you believe in any religion??
A personal question

[mystic bay]

I am a Christian

[balmy folio]

Elevate yourself to such heights that before fate is written, God asks His servant, 'What do you desire?

[void arch]

ur erasing the context bro .. the Zionist state werent established with candy and chocolate , but by a series ethnic cleansing and destroying thousands of Palestinian village and establishing illegal settlements.. not to mention the Genocidal acts against Palestinian ... the state of isreal its establishment is not legal nor moral ...

being attack after its creation ...its not just a accident its a respond to its brutal and unjustified actions they commit against the Palestinian..

[balmy folio]

Christianity gave the message of love to the world, but the essence of that love has been lost.

[void arch]

the one who invade and commit a genocide i think is who responsible for all of that .. i ll be amazed if i took ur home and killed ur family to be treated like a friend after .

[mystic bay]

I agree

[dapper laurel]

None of the above mentioned things took place before the creation of the state of Israel, on the contrary, with the immigration of Jews to Palestine the Arabs began to attack them (an example would be the massacre of Hebron), so, no, Jews deserved that land and but Arabs didn't understand it

And when the United Nations proposed a treaty to allow both sides to coexist, the Arabs refused. As I said before, the Arabs throw the stone and hide their hand, as always

If you are angry because Jews have settled in part of your lands, then what should we Europeans say about Muslim immigration to Europe?

[void arch]

how they deserved that land what the evidence ..with that logic we lived in spain for 800 year do i have right to invade them?!

[dapper laurel]

As I said, you are biased

[dapper laurel]

Why should the Jews be a stateless people?

[balmy folio]

“The support given to the Zionist movement by imperialist powers is a betrayal of the Arab people and an affront to justice.”

[void arch]

u would refuse too if i moroccan immigrated to ur country and after that the UN propse a solution to split italy between us is that Good

[void arch]

why Palestinians should be massacred and abandoned as like they have no homeland

[balmy folio]

**“The imposition of a Jewish state on the Arabs is a blatant act of imperialism. The Arabs have every right to oppose it.”
**

[dapper laurel]

It's different, the Italians only have Italy, the Palestinians are Arabs, they have the whole Arab world, Israel is just a spit of land in the middle of the Arab world

[balmy folio]

they are Europeans

Not arab Jews

[dapper laurel]

They chose it, they threw the stone and hid their hands

[dapper laurel]

No lol

[vernal perch]

🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[dapper laurel]

If you are referring to Jews, they are not Europeans

[vernal perch]

Wrong chat

Mb

[balmy folio]

speak facts

[manic juniper]

Mizraihs are Asians

[void arch]

they chose it 🤡 ... its inevitably respond to such brutal invasion and action agiants humanity ..they have no land no rights no existence ... the UN didnt find any solution for them .. the world is silent .. absolutely u ll have resistance.. where in history where wasent resistance to such thing ..

[balmy folio]

“Muslim nations, from the Middle East to South Asia, must stand together as brothers. Our strength lies in our unity and faith.”

[void arch]

they cames by ship from all around the world its a documented fact by the Un itself

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

[balmy folio]

“The bonds of faith and brotherhood between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are unshakable. We look forward to working together for the benefit of the entire Muslim world.”

[proud wolf]

what is the next step of the operation?

[lapis sinew]

Mate, i appricate it. But its too much, and philosophy is boring. At least thats what i think.

[dapper laurel]

This doesn't prove that they are European

[balmy folio]

that much less land to people who were living from years

[balmy folio]

sprove it that they are arabs

[void arch]

isreal dont accept that , they dont even recognize the existence to the so called palestine .. the major leaders of isreal calling for apartheid system or literally the erasing of all palestinians

[dapper laurel]

No, it wouldn't make sense, Jews are neither European nor Arab

[balmy folio]

thats your fallacy

[void arch]

they do so much

[balmy folio]

who are they asians?

[dapper laurel]

Israel accepted the first resolution, the Palestinians did not

[balmy folio]

so why should i give them land?

Which is from my ancestors?

[dapper laurel]

You don't know the history or genetics to say that

[balmy folio]

they lived in europe from thousand of years now they became somthing unknown

[tacit slate]

good night everyone

[dapper laurel]

It doesn't work like that, they still have the genetic heritage of those lands, many of them didn't even mix with the locals

[void arch]

we stick with the facts bro and coming from all around the world is a fact end of discussion ,if ur interested in genetics propose that the zionist government

[urban swift]

Oh really? You think that? Lol
I've heard there are 7 people with resemblance in this world(nothing serious just a movie dialogue)

In parts of the world where keeping a beard is quite common, guys do be look similar to others at first glance 😅 it's fine, understandable 🤜🤛

[balmy folio]

I need to know

[void arch]

thats not true Jewish ppl are very often married to women from other communities

[void arch]

they will not allowed ..they think their DNA .. is Holy ..superior from the gentiles

they are the chosen ppl of God bro

[feral river]

they don't have to be legal or moral, the best proof is they can be exist as a regional power with a prosperous society for jewish people

they don't work for you guys

[balmy folio]

china stands against this stance

So your statement isn't representative of ccp

[manic juniper]

Who cares