🧠｜serious-chat

[graceful current]

Kurds aren’t Turkish

[versed rain]

kurds are not turkish but everyone has same rights. And everyone is turkish for laws

[rose charm]

Oh, I didn't know that. I thought they were all Turkish.

[graceful current]

U know what it sad ,Msot of us normal People we do not hate each other .

[versed rain]

We don't have a conflict with the Kurds, we have a conflict with terrorists.

[graceful current]

And PKk is a useless all talk Organizaiton that have not made any Progresses for us In years and Years .

[rose charm]

I c
These extremists make it harder for people to live in peace.

[graceful current]

They have made the complete opposite effect Than what they Want

[livid dove]

no kurdish people are closer ethnically to persians

[versed rain]

completely yeah. Even though we don't have a problem with the Kurds, they make sure that we do.

[rose charm]

It's so sad.
I don't really understand what they gain stirring up conflict and division between each other instead of living peacefully together.

[versed rain]

They are trying these things to establish a state. I have many Kurdish friends, elders, teachers.

and i dont have any problem with them

[thorny steeple]

Indeed a kurd State

[inland charm]

Pkk is a well known terrorist organization

[rose charm]

Oh. I totally get you. We have a similar situation here in my country.

Everyone wants to be in power. The hunger for power blinds some people to everything else. They feel they should be the ones in charge and everyone is subject to their orders.

[feral river]

Things are not ended yet, he still controls the army

And i bet that was a good opportunity for Israel to expand its territory again

Anyways that was a big chance nothing really need to predict a lot, we will just see what will happen next

Hope you guys will enjoy this period of ‘free’

And we will see about that

As long as the civil war continues, they will remain as a Disney land for army of superpowers

[rose charm]

Are you talking here about Syria?

[versed rain]

its probably in turkey in istanbul. There are a lot of syrian in istanbul. Syrian Arabs are probably demonstrating and sharing in Arabic as a thank you to Turkey.

@manic juniper @dapper laurel where are u guys

i am president of religious affairs

652 of our countries have disappeared?

[thorny steeple]

Mate's just sleepy I guess or doing something

[thorny steeple]

Sheesh when did that happen lol

[versed rain]

around 3 4 months ago

[thorny steeple]

That's something

[dapper laurel]

The empire has fallen, civilizations have collapsed, chaos rules the cities, anarcho-capitalism has arrived

I have been active on other servers, but now I'm back stronger than ever before

[thorny steeple]

Amen!

[dapper laurel]

And God bless!

God bless the new order

[thorny steeple]

Indeed how was life in those servers

[dapper laurel]

It was exciting in the beginning, but it degenerated over time, I realized that what I really need is a comeback to this server and establish a new rule

[thorny steeple]

Indeed we needed you in here

[dapper laurel]

However, really, God bless, it's even Sunday

[thorny steeple]

There ain't no server that feels like home, like this one

[thorny steeple]

Amen!

[dapper laurel]

Ty John

[dapper laurel]

What I really need is home, AND HOME IS HERE!!!

[thorny steeple]

No problem dude

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[manic juniper]

Still here

[versed rain]

Right now, By officially announcing the collapse of 652 states, I declare the establishment of 777 superpower states.

I expect you to be included in our empire.@manic juniper @dapper laurel @thorny steeple

[dapper laurel]

We have no recognition

[thorny steeple]

That's something

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[dapper laurel]

If I use the "everyone" tag, will they ban me?

[thorny steeple]

You don't have access to it, neither do I

[manic juniper]

#everyone

[dapper laurel]

Concerning

[thorny steeple]

Only the admins to the owner can use it @dapper laurel

I don't think moderators have it but I wouldn't know

[thorny steeple]

That's fine mate

[versed rain]

probably

[thorny steeple]

Instagram

[dapper laurel]

Then let's ask them to do something

[thorny steeple]

Ask it yourself y'know

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@manic juniper @thorny steeple @dapper laurel
I command. Be included in the 777 superpower states. Elect a presidency.

[thorny steeple]

Sure who's the VP

[versed rain]

wdoes it mean

i am founder president

[thorny steeple]

Vice president

[versed rain]

u can be

[versed rain]

.

[thorny steeple]

Yep mashallah

[low jackal]

The Syrian government has finally fallen down ahhh

[dapper laurel]

Now they will become like Libya

Assad had some territory

And key cities like Damascus, Aleppo and Hama

[low jackal]

Idk the people are happy

[versed rain]

https://tenor.com/view/viet-nam-flag-flag-vnch-wavy-gif-12282237

[heavy verge]

hello, do you guys think trump supports netanyahu and will protect him from the ICC

[versed rain]

situation in syria is under control of country of 777

[low jackal]

Hell yeah!

[dapper laurel]

They still haven't realized what's happening.
If before Syria was: 🇮🇷🇷🇺
Now it is: 🇹🇷

They are a Turkish puppet now

[versed rain]

they were turkish trained and supported

turkey civilized them

[inland charm]

Georgia might be the next target of Russia

[dapper laurel]

Trump's inauguration day will certainly be a great day for Israel

[inland charm]

Will the invasion of Ukraine negatively affect Poland?

[dapper laurel]

Russia has no power to annex them or anything else

[versed rain]

i will look erdogan a few hours later

[dapper laurel]

Lol

[versed rain]

I'm going to make a phone call

[inland charm]

Russia has already invaded like one third of Georgia

[versed rain]

hahah

[heavy verge]

its really alarming to know that all these evil leaders are uniting as one because of greed and we people will take the collateral damage

[versed rain]

europe should thanks to Turkey

[dapper laurel]

Only Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but they just cut off supplies to Abkhazia

[inland charm]

Thanks Turkey

[versed rain]

Syrians in Europe will now return to their country

[low jackal]

I don’t care, i love trump and nethanyahu

[inland charm]

For your information, they also built a visible border

[dapper laurel]

I don't think so, like every other immigrant group, they want profit

[versed rain]

Forced migration

[inland charm]

We should accept Turkey in the EU. It was a promise

[dapper laurel]

So? Abkhazia has no supplies or energy stuff, they have declared a state of national alert

[dapper laurel]

No

[inland charm]

It's a big big land. A part of Georgia with many living in those parts. Idk the names but I know they have invaded it

[dapper laurel]

The EU is already unstable at this moment, if we accept them the EU will collapse

[versed rain]

we hope the problem of ypg/pkk will end with syria issue

[dapper laurel]

Not a bad solution but it will damage our GDP

[inland charm]

Ofc we should. And we should kick out Germany for not doing anything at all.
We should accept Turkey in the EU and we along with USA should attack Russia. That will make Russia back off from Ukraine

[dapper laurel]

Wtf no, this is pure dystopia

[inland charm]

Turkey is strong at the moment and we should get them in EU

[low jackal]

We should just chill and watch talk tuah

[versed rain]

The Turks love the Europeans, but they are angry that they are constantly acting according to their interests, even though they are allies.

[inland charm]

Russia is a threat to EU

[dapper laurel]

Thus they move the axis of power to the Middle East, Europe isn't Islamic or stuff, nor culturally close to Türkiye

[inland charm]

Turkey wanted to be in EU and they were promised they'd be let in but the promise was not kept. I think EU is being controlled by some extremely bad politicians

[dapper laurel]

They're actually our European brothers as the Ukrainians

[inland charm]

Russia is our brother? Lol

You're hating Turkey for no reason atm

[dapper laurel]

I'm not interested in making Russia our enemy

[versed rain]

Culturally, we are quite close. Especially when it comes to food

[dapper laurel]

I'm 🇮🇹🇦🇹

[inland charm]

Oh ok

[dapper laurel]

Well, maybe. We can be trading partners, even on the military side, but the European Union must be preserved

[versed rain]

i hope great turkey and great nato

[inland charm]

Russia is already our enemy and they are w threat to EU.
We should declare a war against Russia but we can't do it because countries like Germany is falling behind. We need to get turkey in and make ourselves stronger just to fight the Russian army

[versed rain]

already we are in nato.

[dapper laurel]

Will you go to the front in case of war then?

[versed rain]

No country wants war

war is not a game

[inland charm]

We will have a very important role as we share border with Russia

[dapper laurel]

Why should I kill other Europeans?

[dapper laurel]

Where are you actually from?

[inland charm]

We also don't want war but the behavior of Russia is not acceptable. They might soon attack EU countries

[versed rain]

so can u kill turks if there is a war?

[inland charm]

Suomi. Finland

[versed rain]

if Russia attacks eu we will fight cause of nato

[dapper laurel]

Well, nothing against you guys

[inland charm]

Russia is weak now. Now is a good time

[dapper laurel]

In general I don't like the idea of killing people, but for other Europeans it would be a real shame, it's like we are a big community

[inland charm]

You're looking at it in a very racial way. Europeans fought before. Europe is not one nation or one race. We're also not one religion

If Russia attacks we will have to attack

Doesn't matter if they look like us. Lol your point of view is very wrong

[versed rain]

WW3

[inland charm]

Russia is weak now. They lost in Syria.
We should take this opportunity

[inland charm]

No it will be a regional war just to kick them out of Ukraine

Tbh EU is acting very selfishly. Turkey is giving a lot to Ukraine to stop Russia from getting control of the black sea. And since it's turkey's problem, we are letting them deal with it instead of giving Turkey and Ukraine our full support. Also, were putting a lot of money in making bombs that are dropped on Palestinians

Russia in Georgia

[versed rain]

uh? Russia collapsed Georgia?

[cinder quartz]

Abkhazia also

[versed rain]

Russia has overstepped its bounds.

What does it think it is?

[inland charm]

It's time we declare war against Russia

[inland charm]

It actually is powerful

[cinder quartz]

hahahah

[inland charm]

Nothing funny about it

[versed rain]

russia should be collapsed

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-asleep-monjjunirawr-cat-sleeping-cat-sleep-cat-eepy-gif-2038678134769585569

[inland charm]

Not really. Not now

[versed rain]

it says it doesn't want a 3rd world war and thinks it can do whatever he wants.

[inland charm]

Maybe we need Russia to keep china in their place

China is watching us fight while growing its army.

[versed rain]

china is a fake toy country

[late jasper]

Hello everybody.

[versed rain]

completely illegal

[inland charm]

Do you know that china spent like a trillion USD on some nuclear weapons related test ?
If I remember that correctly

They are spending a lot in research and military

[versed rain]

i hope that EU gives us visa liberalisation after syria situation

[versed rain]

yes i know

[inland charm]

Where are you from

[versed rain]

Turkiye

[inland charm]

Oh good

The EU isn't happy nor sad about the fall of Asad

[versed rain]

but refuuges will return

[late jasper]

Yes, china is a country that doesn't fear anybody.

[inland charm]

If the rebels now attack the US backed kurds then indeed EU and USA will be upset

[inland charm]

Who cares.

[versed rain]

yes they are attacking to pkk/pyd right nıw

now

[dapper laurel]

I am aware of it, but you know how it is, there are fewer and fewer Europeans, it is better to collaborate at this point

[inland charm]

The absence of refugee issues will make some politicians unhappy and they will not be able to use it to get votes

[versed rain]

We want visa liberalisation now

[inland charm]

Idk about that

[dapper laurel]

As a mixed person, I don't feel so Italian or so Germanic/Austrian, I feel European, and that's beautiful

[inland charm]

China and India are not together

China and burma

India and Russia

Japan and US

Also not all Arabs. Iran is with India and Iran is pretty much against all Arabs and Iran isn't Arab btw

But I might be wrong m

[late jasper]

Some refugees are a problem for the European nations, it is because a lot of refugees are raping and destroyed the European culture.

[inland charm]

Yeah I think that is a very exaggerated opinion and the politicians that raise those opinions will be upset because of the absence of refugee issues because they won't be able to use it to get votes

[versed rain]

i have a question about that europe is a real friend of Turkey?

[inland charm]

We will attack Turkey the moment we get the chance to do it

That's the truth

😂 lol

[versed rain]

is it real?

[inland charm]

Well idk. That's what I think

And I am pretty confident

[late jasper]

Correct, I think that Nazism will be back too, really.

[versed rain]

That is, Europeans do not see the Turks as friends.

[inland charm]

Our current issue is Russia. Gosh we need to attack Russia

[late jasper]

It depends, turkey is a country strong both economy and arms.

[versed rain]

For example, Bulgaria is a weak country, but it is seen as a friend of Europe. Is Turkey like that?

[inland charm]

No

Bulgarians are racially turk

But they are christian

[versed rain]

isnt it racism?

[inland charm]

I don't have that mentality. Most people do

[late jasper]

Sincerely, I think so.

[versed rain]

so u think turkey is a friend

[versed rain]

u think no

[late jasper]

Do you understand me?

[versed rain]

yeah

[inland charm]

I mean Turkey is being very helpful but if you imagine a world where there is only Europe matters and Europe is not being attacked by any outside countries in that case I don't think Turkey will be seen as a friend

[late jasper]

Thank you.

[dapper laurel]

Agreed

[versed rain]

That is, Turkey is only used

[inland charm]

I think in that case we will act like we did during the time of crusades

[dapper laurel]

Europe is not for everyone, and not everyone deserves to enter, especially the human garbage

[inland charm]

Btw nevermind what I say. I'm just saying what I think is right. And many people do agree with my point of view

[versed rain]

dont talk about deserving

[late jasper]

It depends.

[inland charm]

Yeah that's a very self destructive mentality. We should unite with anyone we need to, to defeat Russia

And calling some people human garbage is also something I strongly condemn

[inland charm]

Don't mind him. He has an extreme point of view. But I think you can use him as an example to understand my point of view

[late jasper]

Russia will
be a big problem for the world.

[dapper laurel]

So? I'm not embarrassed by what my ancestors did

[inland charm]

Behavior of Russia is unacceptable

[dapper laurel]

You're just a Russophobe

[ornate otter]

What does this word mean

[inland charm]

Delete it

[versed rain]

If you are not ashamed of your ancestors

[inland charm]

Might get reported tho

[dapper laurel]

Well, are you embarrassed of your ancestors?

[inland charm]

Laughs in Georgian

[versed rain]

No, because my ancestors didn't feed children with bait, they weren't genocidal.

[dapper laurel]

Why? Is not being embarrassed about my ancestry a problem?

[inland charm]

The current political situation is not based on religion or race. If it were true then how come Russia is invading Georgia? They follow the Same church

[dapper laurel]

The entire Turkish history is made up of rape and genocide

[inland charm]

I wasn't replying to u

You just have a very very wrong knowledge about the world

[versed rain]

hahahah, If you think so, it's the opposite

In the 1900s, my ancestors did not kill millions of people in genocide.

You're still not ashamed of it

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Ottoman_genocides

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_war_crimes

[inland charm]

At first US did not recognize the Armenian genocide as a fact.

[forest patio]

oh please do search abt the genocide armanians did to muslim villages including turks, kurds and their own

[versed rain]

hahah just a paragraph It is also about the Armenians

[inland charm]

Later when Turkey brought weapons from Russia they recognized it

[versed rain]

When Turkey needed the F-35, they did not provide it.

[inland charm]

I think it was also about making political presume

[versed rain]

Turkey also bought S400 from Russia.

[inland charm]

I know

[dapper laurel]

So? You too have committed brutal genocides

[inland charm]

Anyway bye

[versed rain]

You are the one who put a trap in our way. You say, I have permission to walk. When we step into the trap, you are the one to blame.

[dapper laurel]

You also colonized the entire Arabian Peninsula and North Africa

[versed rain]

We didn't do anything like that. There is no such thing as the Armenian genocide.

[dapper laurel]

Of course, nothing ever happens

[versed rain]

We never colonized, we just occupied. Like every country does

[dapper laurel]

Denying the Armenian Genocide is like denying the Holocaust

[versed rain]

because genocide means holocaust HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

[dapper laurel]

You have occupied and exploited territories, as the Europeans did with their colonies, in the end nothing different

[versed rain]

We have seen the British colonies, we have seen how the French exploited Africa, we have seen the torture of the Indians by the British. We have seen the genocides of the Germans, we have seen the genocides of the Latins.

[dapper laurel]

The term Holocaust refers to the genocide of the Jews in particular

[versed rain]

In other words, is Turkey exploiting its own lands right now?

First, learn the difference between dominating and colonizing.

[thorny steeple]

No he doesn't. Lol. He fled the country.
And what army are you talking about? They were dismantled. The rebels are now dealing with the previous government officials to ensure a proper transfer of authority.

[dapper laurel]

And you too have committed genocides

[dapper laurel]

Turkey is not innocent, and is at least as guilty as European countries

[versed rain]

If I count 40 genocides, you still say you are a genocidal. There is no shame left in you, you still speak brazenly.

i will not talk to you again good bye

[forest patio]

https://www.msb.gov.tr/Content/Upload/Docs/askeritariharsiv/61- bds_ermenilerin_katliam_fotograflari.pdf
why dont u talk abt this, these are the photos before your alleged "armenian genocide" occured, all these photos have its records in archives and these are done by radical armenian groups who went rebel and brutally attacked muslim villages

[dapper laurel]

I would simply like to tell you that you, as a Turk, cannot lecture Europeans, because you have also made a mess

[forest patio]

before you claim to say there is an "armenian genocide" you should feel ashamed of what your race had done to ottomans

[dapper laurel]

What is this, a justification? Only a Turk can sustain this shit

[forest patio]

i never justified.

i said why are you justifying your genocide.

and acting like you are the innocent sheep here

[dapper laurel]

So, I don't care if they attacked Muslims, the response of the Turks was 100 times bloodier and more severe, this can't be justified

[forest patio]

before your race went rebel against ottomans we were calling armenians as "millet-i sıdıka" which literally means "nation of loyals/friends"

[dapper laurel]

I don't justify anything, honestly I'm not embarrassed by what my ancestors did, but others, especially Turks, can't say that Europeans are bad when they did the same things

[forest patio]

we turks never show hostile behaviours unless you touch us, there are literally evidences of literally killed children, even pregnant women and men

[dapper laurel]

My race? Where do you think I'm from?

[forest patio]

oh lets correct it then

[dapper laurel]

You killed Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, and in modern times even Syrians, and in rather massive and brutal ways too

[forest patio]

the decision of exile was right, and no, the brutality of armenians attacking muslims were worse

[forest patio]

i am just ridiculed for your opinions

[dapper laurel]

2 million souls are laughing at you at this moment

[dapper laurel]

No, you simply cannot accept historical criticism that has not been manipulated by your authoritarian country

[forest patio]

so are you justifying their genocide done against us?

[dapper laurel]

And every person outside of Türkiye agrees with me

[forest patio]

yes

indeed

[dapper laurel]

Nah, I'm simply saying Turks aren't innocent

[late jasper]

The other race was a minority in comparison with the Jewish(in the sense of holocaust)

[thorny steeple]

I do not

[dapper laurel]

Maybe it's a lack of common sense

[thorny steeple]

Lol

[forest patio]

because majority of the armenians died during the exile due to starvation and difficult weather except the John Turk organisation where they were attacking them to get the revenge of their filthy killings in muslim villages (burning people alive in mosques, torturing women infront of their men, killing children, everything has evidence but armenians cant bring a reliable evidence as for the " 'brutal' attacks" done by turks because majority of the photos that are found are starved humans on street), also along with them ottoman soldiers who were protecting them did capture and give the punishment of those who attacked armenians that does mean that there is an action that was still taken although the country was in a war time and under extreme conditions, but what abt the muslim villages (10k-30k) who were destroyed? no single acceptance/apology, they even play the victim AS IF they didnt cause all these. exile decision was also confirmed to be right by the armenian leader at that time who formerly was going against ottomans for an independent land and killing civils, yet they still stay silent abt these.

[thorny steeple]

You're wasting your time

People who argue online are often not likely to accept anything you have to say no matter how local you are

They just want to prove you wrong

He said I have a lack of common sense just to prove his point lol

[forest patio]

thank you for reminding me that

[thorny steeple]

I heard they faced sickness. Not starvation. But I never learnt it officially so you might be right here

[forest patio]

the conditions were extreme, so it would likely to contain sickness as the reason of death

i wanted to point out that they werent attacked as brutally without any reason

as a means of comparison

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[cinder quartz]

if you don’t know why Russia helped gain the independence of North Ossetia, then why are you citing this case in history as an example?

[lunar stream]

thanks for protecting your culture, as a turk i am proud of you

[desert nebula]

Regardless of how it's written it's a reality that everyone knows except you" they're stealing Syria's oil and selling it to America"

[desert nebula]

Idk care where it's they did demonstrations in Germany and other Europeans countries also celebrating but I guess they're also grateful for the president and non racist soldiers

even here you saw Arabs btw syrian Türkmen are also celebrating

[thorny steeple]

What's his name

[misty tangle]

Oskar Dirlewanger

[desert nebula]

They're already getting ready to leave "many of them" don't worry but in case you didn't know the highest foreigner numbers of doctors in Germany are syrians yeah many now succeeded in their business in different countries so it might be difficult for them to leave

[thorny steeple]

Syrians are already leaving

They are gathering close to border

Sweden should give back their children now

Can we talk about our crush now

Some girls called me fake and didn't let me in their group. I told them I became a girl for them. They don't believe in the freedom of gender identity. They called me fake.

What should I do now?

This is a violation of TOS

They can't call a trans girl fake

[dapper laurel]

Well, this seems like good news then, hoping that the victory of the rebels doesn't lead to the creation of an even more authoritarian regime than the previous one

[thorny steeple]

The previous one was a foreign power. They killed civilians

They didn't love Syria

[desert nebula]

I don't think there'll be any worse regime in the world( one that killed over million and displaced half the population...)

but it seems everyone is happy druze, Christians and sunnis except some Shia in Iraq and alawites

[dapper laurel]

Idk, the free Syrian army seems quite radical

Maybe it's just my impression, but a rebel group that is financed and supported by a foreign state won't be able to create a free state

[desert nebula]

Why do you think so? The majority of syrians don't agree regardless of their religion and ethnicity

[dapper laurel]

Even Israel is trying to interfere in your situation

[limpid spear]

Cause They are already with that foreign state

[desert nebula]

you understand we were fighting the official army of the country....so from where would they get weapons? Asad was already depending on Russia and Iran then it wasn't a free state also. Türkiye supported the free Syrian army with weapons this happened in wars throughout history there's always an enemy and an ally. In this war Türkiye was only our ally

[dapper laurel]

Well, now Syrians are happy because the Assad regime came to an end, but will the new government be good for Syrians in the long term?

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but allies are born for very specific interests, Russia supported Assad to have a fleet in the Mediterranean Sea, Turkey supported rebels for other reasons

[desert nebula]

It's not clear yet but the ones fighting are our relatives and families so we can trust them. I heard that Israel just bombed the borders in Syria and the kurds will fight also so it's not completely over but the worst is gone

[dapper laurel]

Israel wants to expand its buffer zone, I dunno about the Kurd, but it seems they want to preserve their independence

[desert nebula]

well we know I'm still worried about Türkiye's intention bc some are saying they'll take Aleppo(some propaganda maybe of Turks saying it's city 82 ) but whatever I'm too happy to think about anything now

[versed rain]

There is a very pure ally-enemy issue here.
As a turk
Supporter:Turkiye
Viewer:America, Hizbullah, Israel
Enemy:Iran-Russia

[dapper laurel]

Aleppo shall remain Syrian and I don't think Turks have interest in your lands, luckily for you

[desert nebula]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/suspected-israeli-strikes-hit-part-damascus-two-security-sources-say-2024-12-08/
It seems Israel is afraid it attacked the capital

[desert nebula]

Bro wait I'll show you something. My city has many Türkmen living there for centuries but some are spreading propaganda like it was our land

[dapper laurel]

They may also just want to prevent an invasion from Syria and have no real intentions towards you

[versed rain]

We have a National Covenant map. lands that should never have been lost in Ottoman times. The other name of it is Great Turkey. But it is just a map. We just hope that syrians want to combine their soils in Aleppo with Turkiye.

Other than that, there is no hostile attitude.

[desert nebula]

😂

[versed rain]

yeah we dont have insterest in their lands.

[desert nebula]

check the video but anyway it won't happen ....

The Syrian Türkmen identitfy as Syrians this guy seems he wants some problems

[desert nebula]

Yeah I saw it a lot this week ...

[versed rain]

I can understand Turkish. This is Turkmen land, it is also considered Turkish land. He just says he's happy. He did not say that the Turkish state will be established.

[desert nebula]

It's not a Türkmen land but maybe the translation isn't correct did he say "it's a Turkish land and should work under a democratic control of Turkish state"?

anyway not important

I'm happy

[versed rain]

No, he didnt say anything about the Turkish government or estabilishing a turkish state.

[dapper laurel]

The rebels were very democratic in not shooting at them. I mean, just imagine fighting to liberate your country from a bloody regime and after the fights you see these people coming from the dark saying that the struggle for peace and free starts now, after all the dirty job you did as a soldier

Maybe rebels didn't understand what he was saying

[versed rain]

translate is fake

[dapper laurel]

Because it seems to be Turkish

[versed rain]

"We want a new order to be established together," he said. he does not say that we will establish a democratic Turkish government.

[dapper laurel]

But with that flag and those gestures with hands, it's nothing good at all

[desert nebula]

oh then it's fine the source might be from pro Asad bc it was criticizing Türkiye

[dapper laurel]

But why that flag and that symbol?

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_salute

[desert nebula]

Bro why would they shoot at them? 😭Türkmen are part of us they fought with us to liberate the country they also love Syria. either the translation isn't accurate or this man doesn't know anything

[dapper laurel]

It seems quite nationalistic

[versed rain]

Enough. Stop spewing hate. You're always biased.

[versed rain]

if you are not pro-asad. Dont listen pro asad translates

[dapper laurel]

I wouldn't trust foreigners or other ethnic groups, they might have different interests

Especially in a civil war

[desert nebula]

At least it's the flag of the Syrian Türkmen not Türkiye

[versed rain]

we use wolf salute as sign of victory and nation

[dapper laurel]

It can be a real problem for them

[desert nebula]

Yeah I'm not

[dapper laurel]

It is comparable to the Roman salute we used during the dictatorship

[desert nebula]

but those most of them were born in Syria already Türkmen know Arabic but bc this man spoke in Turkish, so pro Asadists used the video against him I don't want to think negatively now💀

[dapper laurel]

You never know

[versed rain]

It's not about dictatorship.

[versed rain]

Mythological turkish sign

[desert nebula]

and it's ok in Syria there's many flags the colored flag of druze the Christian Syriac flag and the Islamic flag 🙃

[dapper laurel]

But if Yusuf says that man wasn't saying that shi, let's trust him

[versed rain]

I know Turkish, but you don't.

[desert nebula]

I don't like Yusuf but I know he'll gain nothing from lying so I'll trust what he said

[dapper laurel]

That's why I'm saying to trust you 🤷🏼

Unless you're a Turkish government spy, of course

[versed rain]

Nothing will change with me lying. Yes, we have a negative view of the Syrians, but as a people, we are watching the news with surprise.

[desert nebula]

He doesn't like Erdoğan😂

[versed rain]

And we will not win anything but a strong state on our border.

It is better to have a normal state than a terrorist state on your border.

[versed rain]

yes i dont like but this doesnt change working for MIT(National Intelligence Agency)

because MIT doesnt work for erdogan

[desert nebula]

Against him?

[versed rain]

For country

There are courts in Turkey that can bring down the president.

[desert nebula]

the national intelligence will need someone not biased to work with them

[desert nebula]

He gained supporters now although I don't like Erdoğan but we're grateful for him

[versed rain]

We are happy about that. Syrians will be able to leave, and Syria will regain order and get rid of terrorism.

@proven moon you has been reported

[rose charm]

What are these negative views you have about Syrians?

[versed rain]

The economic crisis in Turkey, the problem of unemployment, rape incidents, flag tearing incidents, crimes of insulting Atatürk, insults to the Turkish people.

Crowd of Syrians.

And the discourses of sharia

[rose charm]

You seem very biased against Syrians.

[versed rain]

Not prejudice

[rose charm]

When I watch the news about Turkey, the only stories that I see are the stories of Syrians being brutally stabbed and killed by Turkish citizens.

[versed rain]

wait please

The last time there was a protest against Syrians in Turkey was 2 months ago. But it was because of an incident.

[rose charm]

I'm not saying that Syrians are always right, and Turks are always wrong; I'm just pointing out that just because some Syrians are bad, it doesn't mean all of them are.

[versed rain]

We are tired of them staying in our country.

we are feeding them for 14 years

[rose charm]

I hope all Syrians get back to their homes. It's really hard to live as a refugee in a society that really hates you.

[versed rain]

we give money

[versed rain]

yes

[rose charm]

What was the incident?

[versed rain]

A Syrian raped a 3-year-old girl, the child died. There have been other incidents before this. Later, people all over Turkey marched hatred against Syrians, then Turkish flags were torn down in Syria and some Turks in Turkey stoned Syrians' houses.

[rose charm]

I keep hearing every now and then that Turks are very racist towards other nations and didn't believe that was true. Anyways, I don't judge a whole nation by the actions of one or two or even a thousand of its citizens because I know that in every nation, there's good people and there's bad people.

And by the way, I don't have any issues with Turks and am not here taking sides between Turks or Syrians.

[thorny steeple]

Turks are almost always not fans of Syrians. It is the norm for them. It'd be weird to find a Turkish person who has no quarrel with them. Either way, it's not just Syrians. Arabs in general are disliked by Turks. So, do no be surprised.

If we judge that by western standards of racism, they'd score pretty high in general.

[rose charm]

That’s horrible, and whoever did this whether Syrian or Turk, should be severely punished. Anyone who breaks the law should be punished, regardless of their nationality.

But you are here labeling Syrians as rapists, and that’s simply not true. Don’t get me wrong, but are all Turks completely good?
Does no one in turkey commit crimes, steal, or kill?

[versed rain]

Most of turks see a lot of syrians as cowards, traitors who do not fight for their country. Yes 90 percent of turks are completely good but turks see arabs(+syrians) as people who have low morals and rape girls. So turks doesnt think and want to think that syrians are good. Most of them are like what i said for turkish mentality.

I'm not such a racist thinking person. *

[desert nebula]

I can count more crimes done by the Turks. When you see syrians as humans then your country will be better. Lemme tell you something the Turkish products imported from Türkiye all is written on them with the brands are Arabic names syrians are the most hard workers wherever they go they succeed and I'm proud of them

You say most of the Turks but the racists are a minority. I know many of Turks who love us bc they have syrian friends

[rose charm]

I hear this from time to time. I'm Arab and I've never had any issues with Turks, on the contrary, I love Turkey. But why do they hate us Arabs like this? What did we ever do to them? that's what I don't understand.

[lavish creek]

Yeah, more Arabs would greatly "contribute" to the "great" Turkish demography

[desert nebula]

And that's something not related to genetics if you don't know Steve jobs biological father is Syrian 😅but the environment gives them the chance to be great

The creator of souq app (like Amazon but in the Arab world) is Syrian

The owners of many famous brands in Egypt are syrians

The highest number of foreign doctors in German are syrians

[dapper laurel]

How are you bro?

[desert nebula]

I can mention countless people and the list will never end

[lavish creek]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

[desert nebula]

Turks are filling Germany if they're so nationalistic as you ay they'll build their country first. Syrians left bc of war not money ok

[lavish creek]

Hey bro

[desert nebula]

I thought you changed after all this time but you're worse

[dapper laurel]

A lot of time has passed, isn't it?

[lavish creek]

I'm kinda fine, but keep fighting. What about you?

[rose charm]

I c
I feel sorry for Syrians. They didn't choose to become refugees and they probably never imagined they would be treated this badly.

[lavish creek]

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt7zvddg

[rose charm]

Syrians are geniuses. No doubt about that.

[dapper laurel]

I started studying philosophy at school, it's fantastic, and life is going on perfectly despite the difficulties

[lavish creek]

Ottomans were no way better or more humanistic compared to other imperial powers

[desert nebula]

Also syrians aren't cowerds over million died and thousands are missing or imprisoned. You know nothing of the war. They found literally children in the prison with their moms they never saw the light
In Syria it was either to live quitely or start a new life outside that's their right. We fought with you in all the ottoman wars and search about YUSUF ALAZMA carrying same name as yours

[dapper laurel]

Turks won't get your point

I've already tried

[lavish creek]

It's not good nor bad. It's just history, but denying it, like Turks do, is really childish

[lavish creek]

O, congratulations! Ancient philosophy?

[dapper laurel]

Yep, Greek philosophy, it's cool

[desert nebula]

your heart is kind so you can see it

[dapper laurel]

I'm reading the Symposium

I've got like 20 pages for tomorrow

[lavish creek]

I see. Glad to hear you guys studying it

[dapper laurel]

I hate studying on Sunday, it's a day for God, but I'm actually lazy on Saturdays

[dapper laurel]

What about you?

[inland charm]

So many articles.

Articles are articles

News is news

[rose charm]

I love Syria and Syrians so much. I literally cried today when I saw the prisoners being freed. Its a historic moment

[inland charm]

CNN might be bad
ONN is my fav news site

The onion news!

[inland charm]

Ye

[dapper laurel]

WTF

[versed rain]

Turkish people are very angry for Arab revolts. Because of it Almost none Turks doesnt like because of this.

[inland charm]

Please do not speak inappropriately

[rose charm]

I hope Syria goes back to being the country we all knew before the Civil war, a truly great nation 🙏

[dapper laurel]

I mean, it's a public server

[desert nebula]

Hayati😭❤️ same I'm really happy I still can't believe

[inland charm]

The server has rules and discord also has rules. Known as TOS

[dapper laurel]

It's a bit profane

[desert nebula]

Inshallah ❤️may I know where you're from?

[versed rain]

with turkish support.

[inland charm]

Play Minecraft instead

[rose charm]

I don't get it. Why are they angry?

[dapper laurel]

Is that the cracked one?

[versed rain]

Because the Arab people in the Middle East were united with the British and fought the Ottomans.

[inland charm]

It's the Pocket edition. I play the pocket edition on my phone because it loads within seconds

[desert nebula]

Don't care about this they teach them that Arabs betrayed the ottomans 😂while literally there are tombs of ottomans in my country that are respected

[inland charm]

Osman

[rose charm]

I'm from Yemen Habibati

[versed rain]

Yes, that's how they teach us, but what's the truth?

[dapper laurel]

But do you also have the latest updates?

[inland charm]

I can download . Why?

[inland charm]

Is that your eye on your pfp

[desert nebula]

yeah the grandfather of the former of the Ottoman empire is in syria but I was talking about random soldiers who died and were buried there beside the hero Salaheddine

[dapper laurel]

Just out of curiosity, I can download them too, but it's a bit risky cuz I have the pirated version

[dapper laurel]

Ofc

[inland charm]

Oh I see

[versed rain]

osman's tomb is in turkey

[desert nebula]

ohh that's whyy🩷🩷 Yemenis are so kind fr😭

[inland charm]

I heard that the actual name of the ottoman empire is Osmanli or Osmani empire and English people could not or did not want to say Osman so they used to say Uthman and from there came Ottoman.
So the actual name is Osman?

[rose charm]

Lol. They're still holding a grudge against us since that time 😂

[lavish creek]

Well I'm searching for a new job rn

[rose charm]

Habibi ❤

[lavish creek]

Trying to survive rn, no time for chats or uni tbh

[dapper laurel]

This means improvements, good luck

[versed rain]

i am turk. She is not. Actual name of him is Osman. Or Osman Gazi/Osman Paşa.

[inland charm]

I'm also studying

[dapper laurel]

What do you mean? Don't scare me

[inland charm]

I'm back to have tea and look at the chat

[inland charm]

I was asking about the ottoman empire. Is the accurate spelling of Ottoman empire something like Osmanli empire?

[lavish creek]

It's about my work and finances dude :) nothing more, at least for now

[versed rain]

Yes, Osmanlı İmparatorluğu.

[inland charm]

Ok ty. I sent u a friend request

[dapper laurel]

I don't know why, but I thought about the war, anyway good luck, make yourself heard every now and then

[desert nebula]

The truth is that the majority of Arabs fought with you against other Arabs and something else when the ottomans lost in Syria the Arabs who fought against the ottomans sold Syria to the French but we disagreed.
I told you search about Yusuf alazma he fought with the ottomans in all wars and when he came back to Syria he had to fight against the French and died with his friends we have a statue of him

[lavish creek]

Thank you mate! I will try

[versed rain]

thanks for that. I will share this knowledge with my friends.

[inland charm]

Always fact check everything

[versed rain]

sure

[desert nebula]

I'm not surprised even the name alkhawarizmi they made it algorithm in English they do this with many Muslims scholars or important figures

In Arabic it's called osmania or uthmania empire

[inland charm]

Al-gorithm ?

[desert nebula]

Some of them 😭it's weird

[inland charm]

There is still al

[desert nebula]

Ottomans weren't only Turks if you don't know Osman is an Arabic name also

[desert nebula]

Yeah the father of algebra

He was of Persian origin

[rose charm]

Hatred and grudge have blinded their hearts.

[rose charm]

You're Syrians, aren't you?

[desert nebula]

yess from Aleppo halab

[versed rain]

As president of 777 state. I accept that getting under the rules of Ottoman Empire.

[desert nebula]

today is eidddd

[midnight hornet]

nah who said, same length, just read it

YOOOO I DONT EVEN READ THESE STUFF

Then become a muslim what u waiting for

and ur dad a muslim?

[thorny steeple]

Wait are these bad?

[thorny steeple]

Mhm

[midnight hornet]

no r they r very good, but am not on that level

[midnight hornet]

then become a muslim

like fr fr

[thorny steeple]

I'm just learning bruv

[midnight hornet]

why r u reading these stuff if ur not a muslim bro

[midnight hornet]

learning what

[thorny steeple]

A lot of ppl learn Arabic and Islamic history but not all of them are Muslims :))

[midnight hornet]

This is not history

this is احكام

[thorny steeple]

Rulings?

[midnight hornet]

history islamic books are like البداية و النهاية for ibn katheer

[midnight hornet]

Yh u can say, like what u should avoid and what should u do

[thorny steeple]

lol i just read like two or three pages i'm not that deep chill XDD

[rose charm]

Mmm nice knowing you miss. All of us are really happy for you today. And I keep praying for a better future for all the Arab nations.

[thorny steeple]

yeah i know this one

[midnight hornet]

become a muslim, why not become a muslim

[thorny steeple]

Didn't read it tho it's complicated

[midnight hornet]

yea way complicated

i didnt even read it

am not the type of the guy who reads books

[thorny steeple]

i believe in God bruv chill

[midnight hornet]

only Quran

[midnight hornet]

But ur not a muslim

[thorny steeple]

I'm just taking my time

[manic juniper]

It's very boring

[thorny steeple]

I'll have to give up a lot for that :))

[manic juniper]

More boring than the New Testament

[thorny steeple]

Bruh

[dapper laurel]

😮

[thorny steeple]

U Christian?

[manic juniper]

No

[dapper laurel]

I would give the New Testament a 8/10, and the Old Testament a 10/10

[manic juniper]

Some parts of the Old Testament are 11/10

[dapper laurel]

The Bible is in the top 5 holy books

[thorny steeple]

Well have some respect for devine revelations :))

[manic juniper]

I just said that it's boring

[dapper laurel]

Along with the Harry Potter and TK books

[midnight hornet]

udk when u will die

[dapper laurel]

Ken Follett is goated too

[midnight hornet]

maybe u'll die before u become a muslim, and live in hell forever

So become a muslim then learn the quran, the sunnah, the books of the علماء

[manic juniper]

Why are you speaking as if you were god

[midnight hornet]

its not

[dapper laurel]

Plot twist

[midnight hornet]

??

[manic juniper]

You cannot know somebody else's fate

[desert nebula]

Shukrannnn Inshallah Palestine and all other countries live peacefully and happily 😭

[midnight hornet]

if he died a non-muslim he will live in hell forever there is no doubt abt that

[thorny steeple]

It's smt Muslims believe that would happen for non muslims

[midnight hornet]

what u saying

[thorny steeple]

just like Christian believe the same lol

[midnight hornet]

YO WHAT R U SAYING

Y'ALL KICK THIS BUD OUT, DO U KNOW WHAT R U SAYING

[manic juniper]

Didn't he have a wife already, her name was Asherah

[dapper laurel]

Meanwhile, Pope Francis said that even non-Christians can go to heaven

[midnight hornet]

U DARE INSULT ALLAH

[manic juniper]

Me accessing the Mesozoic again as an atheist

[midnight hornet]

Y'ALL IF U DONT REPENT AND BECOME MUSLIMNS R GON BURN IN HELLFIRE OREVER

[manic juniper]

Good maybe I'll get used to the heat

[midnight hornet]

U cant take the destiny as an excuse for making sins

[versed rain]

This is not a good approach.

[dapper laurel]

👌🏻

[versed rain]

A distancing attitude

[uncut tiger]

In Islam its not necessarily a Muslim who goes to heaven

[thorny steeple]

He's not a real Christian lol

[uncut tiger]

Vice versa

[copper canopy]

Hi

[dapper laurel]

Another twist?

[thorny steeple]

Muslims don't believe Christ died for their sins

[uncut tiger]

Yea(lol)

[thorny steeple]

So they're going to a good place

[manic juniper]

They believed in Mandaean propaganda

[midnight hornet]

(147) So if they deny you, [O Muhammad], say, "Your Lord is the possessor of vast mercy; but His punishment cannot be repelled from the people who are criminals."
(148) Those who associated with Allah will say, "If Allah had willed, we would not have associated [anything] and neither would our fathers, nor would we have prohibited anything." Likewise did those before deny until they tasted Our punishment. Say, "Do you have any knowledge that you can produce for us? You follow not except assumption, and you are not but falsifying."
(149) Say, "With Allah is the far-reaching argument. If He had willed, He would have guided you all."

[thorny steeple]

I mean things gets tricky

[uncut tiger]

What's the mandean propaganda

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-brother-bilo-bilo-my-honest-reaction-funny-bosnov-gif-14149984189938310003

[manic juniper]

It doesn't explain why they can't be repelled

[midnight hornet]

its the truth

[manic juniper]

Only that it's not possible

[uncut tiger]

Are you autistic

[thorny steeple]

Bruv i have no idea tf do u belive in at this point you're attack both Muslims and Christians lol

[dapper laurel]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

My honest reaction

[manic juniper]

That's not an attack to anyone, I just made a statement

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-brother-bilo-bilo-my-honest-reaction-funny-bosnov-gif-14149984189938310003

[midnight hornet]

bc they're non musllim

[thorny steeple]

Ur statements are offensive silly

[versed rain]

yeah but u shouldnt talk to non-muslim like that

[manic juniper]

If you don't believe Jesus died on the cross then you're believing in Mandaean propaganda

[manic juniper]

Explain how

[midnight hornet]

they insulted Allah, u expect me to be humble with that

[versed rain]

-BREAKING Israel forces collapsed southwestern syria

[thorny steeple]

Calling the bible boring?

[uncut tiger]

What's the mandean propaganda

[thorny steeple]

Don't u think it's offensive?

[manic juniper]

It's not offensive, it's an opinion. I didn't say it's ugly

[midnight hornet]

eric ur the only guy whom I think that u can become Muslim, idk whats going to happen, anyways just become a muslim, quickly before u die

[thorny steeple]

Hmm

[uncut tiger]

You gay

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-mewing-sigma-mew-mewing-chad-gif-17710863300302979354

[midnight hornet]

ابوك ال gay

[manic juniper]

Mandaeans believe that Jesus was a trickster, he faked dying on the cross and tricked people into believing in him. Meanwhile John the Baptist was the actual last prophet of the infinite god

[midnight hornet]

YO STOP WHAT UR DOING

Y'ALL THE MUSLIMS OVER HERE CANT U SAY SOMETHING

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/slay-gif-5228535

[uncut tiger]

But the Muslims don't believe that jesus died on the cross

And they also don't believe in the mandean propaganda

[manic juniper]

Yeah they believe that he didn't, just like Mandaeans

[versed rain]

@desert nebula Israel collapsed Syria

[midnight hornet]

we muslims believe that jesus didnt die

[thorny steeple]

Someone how old are u btw?

[uncut tiger]

But they don't have disrespectful remarks for jesus

[manic juniper]

Is he in hiding

[thorny steeple]

Mhm that's what i know

[midnight hornet]

my advice to u is repent, become a muslim, dont u want to live in heaven forever, otherwise, ur gon burn in hell forever, there is no in between

[uncut tiger]

Jesus is a revered figure in Islam

[manic juniper]

What's disrespectful is just a point of view, to Mandaeans it's bad that billions of people have been tricked by other religions

[dapper laurel]

He's still among us, but we don't know 🤷🏼

[midnight hornet]

so u gon become a muslim

[thorny steeple]

Yup he's one of the big prophets if i'm not mistaken

[manic juniper]

Our neighbour in need is Jesus

[thorny steeple]

Correct me if i'm wrong lol

[uncut tiger]

You're already correct

[midnight hornet]

Nah, he is up in the sky, before the day of judgement, he will come down and kill المسيح الدجال

[trail trail]

can i ask u a stupid question>?

[midnight hornet]

Yh he's one of the اولي العزم من الرسل

[versed rain]

buffer zone like turkey

[thorny steeple]

Arigato

[desert nebula]

Israel is attacking the weapons and bases in Syria:/ because they're afraid the opposition will be stronger now after taking them but they can't do anything I have hope now we can free the occupied golan heights from Israel then free Palestine too Inshallah but patienceee

[midnight hornet]

These r the best prophets, and they r Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad

[dapper laurel]

I can't understand third world languages, who will Jesus kill?

[versed rain]

for buffer zone

[uncut tiger]

I think you mean popular

[midnight hornet]

nah

[thorny steeple]

Wait can i curse Israel or imma get muted like yesterday?

[manic juniper]

Hopefully the Feathered Snake with a Thousand Names will reward me at the end of this era

[uncut tiger]

The language of God isnt third world

[thorny steeple]

Oh yeah yeah

[dapper laurel]

Muslim countries are quite devastated

[uncut tiger]

Royal family of Arabia is the richest

[manic juniper]

Can't he speak English then

[uncut tiger]

You say that it's third world

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, look at Afghanistan

[manic juniper]

Didn't know the average Arab was part of a royal family

[uncut tiger]

English is the worst language to translate arabic

[dapper laurel]

The countries of the Arabian Peninsula are rich only thanks to oil

[uncut tiger]

They're not compatible

[thorny steeple]

Afghanistan is not arab lmao

[uncut tiger]

America been greedy for that oil tho

[desert nebula]

I hope they stay away for now 😭let us be happy a bit until now they're freeing the prisoners but some are locked in special prisons they can't open it

[dapper laurel]

I said Muslim countries

[midnight hornet]

He is an evil guy, who is non-muslim, he's now chained, at the end of the world, like before a short time of the day of judgement, he will march with his army the whole world, except Makkah and Madinah (two holy cities in saudi arabia), and this guy has strange powers, he takes an alive person he kills him, he tells him live again, he lives, he tells the sky to rain and it will, he is powerful, the weak muslims will say that this is Allah and believe him, and join his army, but a powerful Muslim will know that this is not Allah, and will not believe him, and will be killed

[uncut tiger]

[manic juniper]

Does this mean that Iblis speaks English and created it?

[desert nebula]

Curse in ur heart they're biased mods

[thorny steeple]

Nah u replied to his comment

[midnight hornet]

yh bc we muslims have left the teachings of the Quran and the prophet

[midnight hornet]

only few ppl are still on the right path

[thorny steeple]

Bet

[uncut tiger]

I can't even see iblis how can i answer that

[desert nebula]

Gulf countries?

[uncut tiger]

And what is that analogy

[dapper laurel]

Oil

[midnight hornet]

the other ppl are doing a lot of haram haram haram, a lot of sins, which is why Allah will not make them powerful until they repent and become good muslims

[desert nebula]

The middle east is considered middle class somehow

[midnight hornet]

yo what yo sayin abt my country

[manic juniper]

Did he empower dinosaurs because of their righteousness?

[uncut tiger]

Wth

[manic juniper]

POWER

[midnight hornet]

ur here making urself the popular funny guy, am not replying to anything u say, u dont even deserve for someone to text ur likes, قبحك الله

[uncut tiger]

You're kidding at this point

[desert nebula]

Oil alone isn't enough but Gulf countries are all Muslims-mostly- unlike the countries you're referring to bc they have many many sects rulers have nothing to do with Islam too

[uncut tiger]

Loll

I think you succeeded isfrun

[manic juniper]

English server 👉🏻🚪

[uncut tiger]

He's pissed

[desert nebula]

he was saying Muslim countries are devastated so I mentioned yours

[midnight hornet]

Nah gulf countries r all good

look at saudi arabia, qatar, etc.

completely developed

they have strong currencies

a lot of oil

[manic juniper]

Yemen

[desert nebula]

yeah that's what I was saying

[thorny steeple]

Lol last sentence

[midnight hornet]

we going good Alhamduillah

[thorny steeple]

Don't waste your time and energy. There are many Islamphobes here. The most disgusting ones are those who act in passive-aggressive manner.
Just leave them believe they are animals, perhaps one day they'll decide to give their cousins a visit in the zoo (gorillas).

[desert nebula]

Also the highest number of Muslims is in Indonesia which is also good

[midnight hornet]

ikr

[manic juniper]

Your mom

[uncut tiger]

Wish granted

[thorny steeple]

Lmao no

[midnight hornet]

yea thanks

[thorny steeple]

Bruv using google

[midnight hornet]

nah thats not the actual meaning

[midnight hornet]

frrrr

[manic juniper]

Say it in English then you dingus

It's an English server

[midnight hornet]

learn arabic

[midnight hornet]

new info y'all

[uncut tiger]

Learn the language of God guys

[midnight hornet]

i thought it was french or what

[thorny steeple]

My arabic is not bad so i'm safe

[midnight hornet]

yea i see

[wide vortex]

hi

[thorny steeple]

Yo rick

[wide vortex]

anybody for talk ? voice message

[wide vortex]

pretty good, wbu?

[uncut tiger]

Is anyone an atheist here

[thorny steeple]

You can check the vcs down they're chilling

[thorny steeple]

Will you give your cousins a visit Isfrun? I'm sure they miss you a lot.

[thorny steeple]

good good

[midnight hornet]

a lot of athiests over here

[uncut tiger]

Talk to nale in politics channel

[midnight hornet]

why u lookin for athiests

[manic juniper]

Нäкüтшӧм ебать отсталӧй барсüк 🦿

[wide vortex]

what ?

[wide vortex]

cool bro

[uncut tiger]

You're Russian

[manic juniper]

Once the war is over

[manic juniper]

That's not Russian

[thorny steeple]

Біраз құрметтеңіз

[midnight hornet]

thats what ur good at, cussing in ur lang

[thorny steeple]

I mean he started lol

[wide vortex]

ukraine?

[thorny steeple]

So I won't judge

[midnight hornet]

nah i didnt cuss, i just made prayer

[manic juniper]

Not even close

[uncut tiger]

Then what is it

[midnight hornet]

komi

[thorny steeple]

You've got a point

[manic juniper]

You don't even know what it means

[midnight hornet]

whatever

it is cussin thats what ik

[manic juniper]

You don't know then

[wide vortex]

[midnight hornet]

what ik is that

ahh i don wanna cuss

[manic juniper]

You don't know anything besides Arabic

That's why you can't even write a full sentence in English

[uncut tiger]

Isfrun do you like prostitution as a business idea for women

[midnight hornet]

the best anything

[dapper laurel]

What kind of insult is that lol? 😭

[wide vortex]

You look like an AI
just kidding

[manic juniper]

Idk ask someone with experience in your family

[midnight hornet]

ur a nerd, imagine writing u as you

just imagine

u dont even know how to text

u prob need some lessons

[manic juniper]

It's like attacking a mountain with a sock

[uncut tiger]

Im happy to make you my mother

[manic juniper]

That's why I'm on this server

[midnight hornet]

its not an insult

[humble lion]

Ppl in here discuss smthn seriously or just attack eachother?

[manic juniper]

The second

[uncut tiger]

Attack

[dapper laurel]

And what should it be?

[midnight hornet]

attack

[manic juniper]

Just preaching and insulting

[humble lion]

Damn

[uncut tiger]

Extremist arena

[midnight hornet]

. وفي التنزيل (ويوم القيامة هم المقبوحين) أي من المنحين عن الخير. وقبحَ له وجهه: أنكر عليه ما عمل.

[manic juniper]

What kind of answer is that

[uncut tiger]

Intolerant incels

[midnight hornet]

u can translate

i dont work as a translator here

[midnight hornet]

didnt insult, if u insult Allah, u expect me to let it go

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-brother-bilo-bilo-my-honest-reaction-funny-bosnov-gif-14149984189938310003

[midnight hornet]

then why u askin

[thorny steeple]

Ohh that's actually a good explanation

[uncut tiger]

Did you have protein deficiency when you were two

[dapper laurel]

Allah made me autistic

[manic juniper]

Because he expected an answer in English

[midnight hornet]

ikr

[uncut tiger]

That's why you get to go to heaven

[humble lion]

😂

[midnight hornet]

let eric explain to y'all

[thorny steeple]

U from Saudi by any chance?

[dapper laurel]

Do you have a neuron deficiency instead?

[midnight hornet]

he's advanced in eng while im an intermediate

[manic juniper]

Average mammal 😔

[midnight hornet]

livin in ksa yeah

[uncut tiger]

I don't send monkey dancing gifs in discord servers

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-brother-bilo-bilo-my-honest-reaction-funny-bosnov-gif-14149984189938310003

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[dapper laurel]

Mammals are so rude

[uncut tiger]

Sometimes gay

[midnight hornet]

yo eric, when u gon become a muslim

[thorny steeple]

Bruv why me, anyways, قبح الله وجهك is like me telling u "you've done(or said) a really bad thing.

I'm bad at explaining

[midnight hornet]

bc, ur father is a muslim, uk arabic, which will really help u in prayers and stuff, and u read islamic books

[thorny steeple]

How'd u know

[midnight hornet]

yh u can say, and at the same time am makin prayer against u

[thorny steeple]

Well things are complicated between me and dad so :))

[thorny steeple]

By the way, it has become a common theme for people believing in evolution to also believe apes and monkeys are their cousins, even the american museum of natural history believe it is the case. Not sure if you believe in that, but I know you have a strong faith in evolution.

[thorny steeple]

Oh okay

[manic juniper]

Not gonna lie, this is the dumbest statement you said so far

[midnight hornet]

روى البخاري في "الأدب المفرد" (172): عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ، عَنِ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: ( لَا تقُولُوا: قَبَّح الله وجْهَهُ )

[manic juniper]

And you made a lot of dumb statements

[midnight hornet]

so we r asked by the prophet not to say it

[midnight hornet]

ordered*

[uncut tiger]

But dumb is perspective

[uncut tiger]

And he dont care about shawty perspectives

[midnight hornet]

nah bro, dont let that stop u from becoming a muslim

[manic juniper]

True, to a gorilla he may appear as smart

[thorny steeple]

Ohh noted

[uncut tiger]

Are you a narcissist

[thorny steeple]

That's interesting

[uncut tiger]

Because I am

[lone magnet]

👋🏻👋🏻

[thorny steeple]

Let's not push it so far

anyways i'll get back to work

[midnight hornet]

u work?

[uncut tiger]

Do you assume everyone is same as you

[midnight hornet]

am askin

[manic juniper]

No, the opposite maybe if there is such a thing

[thorny steeple]

Btw have u heard نونية ابن القيم ?

[midnight hornet]

ofc

[manic juniper]

Helou

[thorny steeple]

It's pretty cool

[midnight hornet]

the one with the like 6000 بيت of شعر

[midnight hornet]

have u read it?

[thorny steeple]

Even tho i don't understand it all lol

[midnight hornet]

also bro نونية القحطاني is sooooooo good

[thorny steeple]

I heard some guy on youtube

[lone magnet]

Hey. What language is in your description? Seems interesting 🤩

[midnight hornet]

bro this one is like really good

[thorny steeple]

Mhm i do motion

[midnight hornet]

what motion

[thorny steeple]

Didn't hear it

[midnight hornet]

نونية القحطاني is only 600 بيت

[thorny steeple]

Motion graphic

[manic juniper]

It's Old Karelian written in Old Permic alphabet

[midnight hornet]

short, and really good, mentioing a lot of major things of Islam

[thorny steeple]

W or without explaining?

[night sun]

Can someone recommend a good book for me to read?

[midnight hornet]

if ur arabic is not that good , u prob need explanation

I even sometimes need explanation of some of it

[manic juniper]

It depends on the genre that you like

[thorny steeple]

Never split the difference by chris voss

[midnight hornet]

Quran, its not any book

the Best Book

[night sun]

I like science, history, philosophy

[midnight hornet]

like fr fr

[thorny steeple]

No no. Don't get me wrong. It's AMNH that said it, as well as some other people.

[night sun]

Hmmm

[manic juniper]

Do you like science fiction too?

[thorny steeple]

Oh hmmm

[night sun]

What does the book talk about?

[midnight hornet]

Nah philosophy aint good

[night sun]

Yesss

[thorny steeple]

Alr bet i'll look it up later

[lone magnet]

I see. I'm all in for languages and this just caught my attention

[thorny steeple]

Anyways cheers thanks for the chat everyone

[midnight hornet]

become a muslim

and yw

[manic juniper]

Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space series, there is also another one that is actually scientific named Empires of the Word (it's about language families and their decline or ascension in popularity)

[manic juniper]

It's likely just a figure of speech, just like people say that dogs are man's best friends

[manic juniper]

Karelian is a moribund language nowadays

[lone magnet]

That's sad yet common for many languages these days

[raw oracle]

Hello everyone

[thorny steeple]

Helloo

[thorny steeple]

Well, some evolutionists also believe women's brain resembles that of Gorillas, such as Stephen Jay Gould. Is this also a figurative speech?

[manic juniper]

I don't know but it's far kinder than what most religious people believe about women

If it's true then there must be a study about it, otherwise it's just a statement made by an incel

[thorny steeple]

Wow. Believing women's intelligence is closer to children or savages and resembles that of Gorillas is kinder than a Hadith as such "Yes. Woman are counterpart of men" [Sunan Abi Dawud 236] or a Quranic verse such as "O humanity! Indeed, We created you from a male and a female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you may ˹get to˺ know one another. Surely the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous among you. Allah is truly All-Knowing, All-Aware" [49:13]. In Islam, women and men are equal in value and just as important. In fact, in some instances, women are prioritized and preferred over men. Now, if you believe it's kind to be labelled as inferior, then I don't know what to say.

[manic juniper]

He's a polymath, not even a biologist or anything like that, it's not even known if he was atheist or not

[thorny steeple]

Do you know what polymath means?

[thorny steeple]

Um, no...

[manic juniper]

Basing it off what I see, women aren't treated better than men in Muslim majority countries

[manic juniper]

Having random knowledge not necessarily about a particular topic

[shy summit]

Gender equity is nonexistent in predominantly Muslim countries.

[manic juniper]

Such equality or superiority yet they're treated like children or property

Literally what you just denounced

[shy summit]

In fact they are rated higher for inequity.

[thorny steeple]

Dude. Gender equality is defined completely differently on a fundamental level in an Islamic society anyway.

[manic juniper]

Right, I don't like how it's defined

It doesn't even sound like equality to me

[shy summit]

But it’s defined quite concretely in the international community

[thorny steeple]

Whether you think they are not treated better or not is a different issue. The point is that you believe being perceived as inferior or resembling Gorillas' intelligence is kinder than how women are perceived in Islam.

[shy summit]

“We don’t have as much rape.”

A) Because your women are terrified to report it.

B) You don’t count cases if they aren’t supported by witness testimony.

C) You literally don’t count some forms of rape as rape.

[thorny steeple]

That statement literally has no weight. The international community is not one ideological entity. Or are Muslims and traditionalist societies now not part of the international community?

[manic juniper]

If I had to choose between mean words and actually being treated like shit, yeah, I'll take the mean words. It's not like I'm not used to it

[thorny steeple]

Liberalism and feminism and all these ideologies etc. Are not axiomatically accepted by everyone in the world. Just like western people define them as they like, other people can define them as they like too. This has no espitemic weight. Your definition isn't the only one that goes.

Concepts such as freedom and human rights are all defined differently by different people. You may not like that but it doesn't give you any moral or epistemic highground to presuppose your own theories and ideologies.

[thorny steeple]

Who said anything about treatment? Weren't you the one talking about belief and perception of women when you said "far kinder than what most religious people believe about women".
That doesn't necessarily mean I subscribe to that bullsh*t of "inequity" in Muslim countries, but It's just irrelevant anyway.

[manic juniper]

Yes, you quoted some scripture, not what people actually believe

Unless that scripture reflects what religious people believe, in that case I haven't seen it anywhere. Maybe these people are in hiding

[thorny steeple]

Oh well, guess what? Muslims believe in Islam. 🤯

[manic juniper]

Muslims had over 1300 years to apply those teachings, assuming you're not lying, yet they utterly failed

[shy summit]

Actually human rights are internationally recognized by the majority of nations…

[thorny steeple]

You like red herring, don't you.
We're discussing the belief and perception, not the actual treatment, although your statement is 100% false, but it's just irrelevant.

[manic juniper]

Hilarious, we are discussing hypotheticals, not real life

[shy summit]

Ya’ll claimed Muhammad came to eliminate bad things but ya’ll still have some of the highest rates of inter marital human rights violations.

[thorny steeple]

The UDHR is just an outgrowth of Liberalism, and a Christian hangover at that. And btw, the UDHR is very loose in definitions. You also do not have the right to arbitrate its objective interpretation over other ones. This, again, has no espistemic weight.

[manic juniper]

"We did it first yet pretty much everyone else solved the issue or gave a better attempt at it"

[shy summit]

Muslim nations, like literally everyone else, still practice slavery, child marriage, rape, murder, theft.

Why pretend otherwise

It’s like pretending your shit doesn’t stink as bad as everyone else’s

[dapper laurel]

Even one of the highest consanguineous marriages rate

[shy summit]

Yikes

[manic juniper]

It's easier to treat them equally if they are your family members

[shy summit]

That’s likely cultural as a result of self isolation stemming from proxy wars tho

[dapper laurel]

[balmy matrix]

What the yap about

[shy summit]

“Why is reverse cowboy illegal in Alabama? Because you never turn your back on family.”

[manic juniper]

I'm sending this here because I have to copy it, don't mind it

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple while I do not share your faith and just butted into this convo out of nowehere, I'll tell you you'll get nothing out of this. White people are preconditioned to axiomatically accept and unconciously presuppose their own subjective theories and ideologies. Basically, as a deep form of culturally systematic racism if you will, they fundamentally believe west is best and white is right. It sums it up. It's just patronising of everyone else. Orientalist thinking is still deeply inextricable from western society.

I wouldn't entertain this any further.

[shy summit]

You assume we’re white.

Are Japanese people white?

Are South American people white…?

Are native Americans white?

[dapper laurel]

Some of them

[thorny steeple]

We're discussing perceptions and beliefs. Most religious Muslims believe in Islam (obviously), and therefore believe in what Islam states about women.
Now, if you're already embarrassed by what evolution can imply about women's intelligence, no worries. It's okay to admit religious perception preserves women's value way better.

[shy summit]

This isn’t a white thing, it’s a democratic liberal democracy thing

[thorny steeple]

I did not assume that. By western I meant racially white or ideologically linked to the west.

Anyway, am done here.

[shy summit]

Right, but Europe is in the eastern hemisphere

So is japan…

[dapper laurel]

Isn't that the case in the end? I'm not talking about the racial aspect, but the cultural and scientific aspect

[balmy matrix]

Is bro japanese

[shy summit]

As is South Korea…

And Taiwan

And The phillipenes

And austrailia

[thorny steeple]

I agree. Of course not all of them, but it's true for many Western white people. 🤝

[shy summit]

Bro is just upset I pointed out the absurdity of his claim that they are somehow more moral by rejecting the world’s generally accepted codes of conduct for humanitarian rights.

It’s like rejecting international law

Like bruv…

[feral river]

holy crap I just see Taiwan what's going on

[balmy matrix]

free Taiwan

[feral river]

law/rule without enforcement is a toilet paper

[shy summit]

Course you do, it’s that tunnel vision of yours xD @feral river

[feral river]

well yes free taiwan from ROC we gonna do that

[feral river]

well my tunnel vision applies in every situation you could imagine and it work

maybe yours aren't working

[shy summit]

See I have Shin eyes not Rosharan eyes

[feral river]

well the point is, it work lol

[shy summit]

That and I’m ADHD af

[thorny steeple]

It's very hard to find a westerners who actually understand the philosophy behind their world views and ideology. Both in the left and the right. As westerner, I know this very well. It's deeply systematic. We are taught and led at every instance that we are civilised and everyone else needs to live like us and if that isn't the case, they're just uneducated.

[feral river]

nothing really matter than this point, whether it's bad or good nobody cares

what do they care about is working or not working.

[shy summit]

Nihilistic mine to the rescue…

[thorny steeple]

Liberalism and all that goes with it is fed to us as something neutral and objective.

[feral river]

well I don't have enforcement to force you to obey my law and it was absurd

so do for international law for us

[shy summit]

Look at this dipshit Mine

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple

[shy summit]

ACLU don’t get taxpayer funds

He’s so fucking dumb

[feral river]

ahhhhhhhh idk what's ACLU could you explain ?

[shy summit]

American Civil Liberties Union. Independent organization, charity and public works program.

[manic juniper]

Then they are the biggest hypocrites ever if that's true lmao, evolution is anti-racist and anti-sexist at its core, I can easily claim that atheists are paragon of equality because of this but I'd be dishonest if I did. Can you say the same?

[feral river]

oh that's not bad honestly