🧠｜serious-chat

[formal pilot]

Have you read what you shared??

Lmao

[feral river]

I did I know so what ?

[formal pilot]

Daddy Xi created the world

[feral river]

that's my point for all the time I didn't change

it's you guys trying to proof that I'm wrong

and what you have showed only strengthen my point

because it is

truth that you can't deny.

[formal pilot]

@feral river Arabs conducted trade prior and post Ottoman rule.
post ottoman rule it can't be considered that arabs who are the ones conducting trade. this is what you're saying, it's regarded

Can't you understand this?

If you can't read it I can send voice notes

[feral river]

I said you can show me an arab dominant empire to counter this point

you respond nothing

[feral river]

come on show me an arab dominant empire

[formal pilot]

You said this

[feral river]

show me one bro don't talking shit anymore

show me one, even one arab dominant empire

[formal pilot]

Cry about it

[feral river]

lmao

[formal pilot]

Show me ottoman empire trade in pre Ottoman Empire era

Lmao

[feral river]

unnecessary my point already established

don't care.

[formal pilot]

Show me ottoman empire trade in pre Ottoman Empire era

[formal pilot]

You can peacefully cry about it

[feral river]

I did lmao

I did peacefully cry like a lmao

lmao

it's done for some losers

you can't even list an arab dominant empire yourself

[formal pilot]

https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/knowledge-bank/arab-monopoly#:~:text=From the seventh century%2C Muslim,cultural exchange in this period.

[feral river]

lmao dude this is funny

[formal pilot]

Cry harder

Imagine growing up in literally 1984

[feral river]

this is god damn wild

it's done bro totally done

oh shit

[formal pilot]

Read it

Lmao imagine being you eww

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-dancing-lizard-cry-about-it-gecko-dance-gif-20175430

[feral river]

what a crap

what else I can say lmao dude

woah I never expect that

damn this is crazy man

unesco

[formal pilot]

Change you identity and start a new life

[feral river]

that was fucked

okay it's done woah bro I never expect that you would mention that shit

well you are dead to me if you are some random stranger

[formal pilot]

I'm atheist but thank god I'm dead for Minecraft

Now I'll never be able to have food because I'm dead for Minecraft

[feral river]

well enough with shits, honest to say you really think they are in charge right ?

some arab merchants in ottoman empire dominate the trade

oh fuck I feel fucked after I said this

let's drop that just damn I can't imagine

that was disgusting

[formal pilot]

https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/trade/hd_trade.htm#:~:text=Another important trade route%2C known,styles popularized by the Romans.

[feral river]

where the fuck is arab empire ? @formal pilot

[formal pilot]

Can't you read argument??

[feral river]

I don't really understand why you are showing this over and over again

[formal pilot]

Because you aren't understanding your own argument

[feral river]

I understand it perfectly but you only cut this message off

that's your problem dude you cut one of my word off and asserting my point based on this one message

[formal pilot]

Between 7th to 14th century arab was the one dominating the trade

[feral river]

my point is clear I told you many times not this shit dude

you cut only one message between me and Saimon's conversation and assert that's my point

you are qualified to apply a job in BBC

[formal pilot]

Goddammmmit again started crying

[feral river]

where the fuck is arabian empire ?

lmao

[thorny steeple]

what is the matter

[feral river]

on the mars ?

[formal pilot]

You said turk dominated the trade not arab
I'm saying between 7th to 14th century Arabs were dominating it

[thorny steeple]

which serious topic is discussed

[formal pilot]

Now you'll change the topic to empire

[feral river]

I'm saying that who rules who dominate the fucking trade

that's my fucking point and you ignored it all the time

[thorny steeple]

dude

[feral river]

I told you you can counter my point with an arab dominant empire

you said nothing till now yapping with shit

[thorny steeple]

cool down minecraft

[formal pilot]

The Abbasid caliphate was ruling arab that time if you're asking that

[feral river]

you can show me that empire that dominate the trade in reality

that's how you should counter my point not yapping with me dude

[thorny steeple]

only india ruling

[feral river]

I don't give any shit who's going to yap

why the heck people will think I will give a shit ?

[formal pilot]

Not today

[thorny steeple]

where are you from

[formal pilot]

According to him tukrs and ottoman empire ruled arab from 7th to 14th century

That's hilarious

[feral river]

🤷‍♂️

[formal pilot]

Nicaragua

[thorny steeple]

ok

am indian

[formal pilot]

That's really great

[potent moat]

Hi all !
Over the years of self-education, a lot of educational material has accumulated.
On various topics
Who needs it - write. In return I only ask thank you) I believe in karma 🙌

[formal pilot]

I understand that the Ottoman Empire played a significant role in the initiation of the Age of Exploration. But it would be wrong to say that the Arabs did not dominate trade. The Arab world was already a major player in trade long before the rise of the Ottoman Empire. After the Ottomans came to power, it was mostly Turks who controlled the trade routes

@feral river

Are we on good terms??

[feral river]

well maybe but I disagree with the point of arabs are the people who controls or dominate the trade, but only operating the trade under other regimes.

the point is not the people but the regime

people is under the regime.

[thorny steeple]

hello

[hollow jewel]

hii

[ornate siren]

Why do they look like each other

[dapper laurel]

🇮🇹🫱🏻‍🫲🏿🇮🇳

[manic juniper]

Arabs were still irrelevant at this time, it's in the late 7th century that they started becoming relevant

[shy summit]

They aren’t disturbing anyone. They just wanna be left alone and live their lives. Their cries for change are in opposition to oppression

[manic juniper]

Minecraft wants trans turbocapitalists

[feral river]

once they are on the street they are disturbing everyone.

[shy summit]

Not really they’re buying things and producing labor like everyone else.

[feral river]

yeah but not for making more propaganda and spread influence over the society

in before you will not be seeing these people on the street or under the public view

now you got a lot of new theories, new organizations to spread more propaganda for them

[shy summit]

Propaganda? For spreading the message that they shouldn’t be discriminated against….?

Thats social order not disorder

[feral river]

that's social order in america not other places like in here China

in here we consider that's disorder

and that is

[shy summit]

The norm isn’t something to always be revered change can be fore the better

[ornate siren]

Why do they look like each other

[jovial ledge]

Hello@everyone

[weary belfry]

hello

[pulsar gulch]

No Phone or No wifi

[pliant tartan]

hello

[stiff halo]

We have eleven verses describes the earth as flat like a rug, carpet, bed, and spread. BUT not one single verse suggesting the earth is Spherical or round - very easy words found in Arabic. The verses are: Quran [2:22], [15:19], [20:53], [43:10], [50:7], [51:48], [71:19], [78:6-7], [79:30], [88:20], [91:6].. Backed by Hadith that confirms Muhammad believed the earth is flat. All that narration and translations were pushed under the "carpet" in the 1960's when man landed on the moon.

Dr Joker Zakri, pressed on this major problem, invented the suggestion that Dahaha in verse 79:30 means ostrich egg. Anyone with basic Arabic knowledge can tell Dahaha is a verb, not a noun. And informed Arabs will tell you it means spreading , like when we spread bread. And if you do not believe me, check the verse for yourself on Quran.com or through the link below:
https://quran.com/79/30

Under pressure to come up with any explanation, people like Zakri tried to twist new meanings out of the Quran. Looking for another obscured verse, they found a verde using word كور (Kawar). While the word كور is derived from the word كرة (Kurah) it is not difficult to see it is a very different word. The Quran refers to the day and night (Kawar) over the each other. But they get busted. The verse does not talk about Earth but about how the "day" takes over the night and so on. Translations present it:
"He created the heavens and the earth for a purpose. He wraps the night around the day, and wraps the day around the night..." Quran 39:5

That is because Muhammad said in multiple places that the light and dark are a form of a "cover" whereby the lights are bits of light "coming from behind the cover". Wrap around does not necessary mean a ball. Can you not wrap a boxed gift!?

The Saudis had tried to remove all reference to flat Earth but some old news paper extracts remain online, for example this article from 1995:
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/02/12/world/muslim-edicts-take-on-new-force.html

[manic juniper]

It's kinda sad because Greeks and Romans already knew that the Earth was spherical, Romans called it "Orbis" which means "sphere" or at least something circular/spherical

[cinder quartz]

https://media.giphy.com/media/JjIRnbaJSRFXivpCxQ/giphy.gif

[fleet anvil]

Hello!!!

How are you ? My name is Mariano, i´m from argentina!

is there someone here ?

i would like have a conversations with anyone about anything

i´m bored

[thorny steeple]

ofcourse

[fleet anvil]

ok

[cinder wind]

Serious chat is dead

[fleet anvil]

where are you from psycho ?

[cinder wind]

Well u there right ,but legends says it was flat 💀

[thorny steeple]

india

[twilit rock]

hi there

[prisma cipher]

Damn, i should watch his stream.

I've been watching this guy's videos for over 10 years.

[uncut tiger]

Why does god not intervene ? It would be easy for me to believe in him if he just showed himself and then all of humanity would worship him undoubtedly.

[cinder quartz]

Madison is very popular

50 thousand people watched his stream

on this moment

[sonic hazel]

Why will He intervene if, the consequences of these acts are consequences of human wrong choices?

[dapper laurel]

In some religions God intervenes

[uncut tiger]

Are you talking about Greek paganism

[manic juniper]

Ukko and Iku-Turso fucked up those bastards on the boat

[fleet anvil]

i prefer believe in the energy, in the universe.

[uncut tiger]

Not to help humankind but to just strengthen man's faith

Why does god put me to the test

[manic juniper]

Ukko caused a huge storm and Iku-Turso destroyed their boat and ate them

[uncut tiger]

It would've been better if he'd just shown himself

The earth would have a single religion then

[fleet anvil]

i think the religion help many people, but also it is a business

[manic juniper]

It already was the case

Greeks, Egyptians and Romans had the same religion

[sonic hazel]

He wants us to believe without seeing. When necessary, He shows himself.

[uncut tiger]

No I'm talking about a different situation

My point is the intervention of God in mankind's daily matters

[uncut tiger]

Well it is necessary now

[sonic hazel]

Well, it is necessary to be organized. It is impossible to follow a religion without a pre-defined structure.

[uncut tiger]

I'm losing my faith and I need god

[sonic hazel]

If you notice, there has been no direct intervention from God in the present times (I mean, the way we would like.) Why? Would it really change our opinion if He showed himself?

[manic juniper]

I think I'd change my opinion

I'd either believe that deities are real or that there are aliens out there with powers comparable to those of deities

[fleet anvil]

you should to have faith in yourself and stop to depend in another figure like god or another.

[uncut tiger]

Atheism is mild Satanism

Cuz atheism is staying away from God, which is what satanists do

[uncut tiger]

What if the illuminati use advanced technologies to project a gianormous deity in the sky and then all people believe it's the real true God.

[manic juniper]

It's just a projection

If people truly believe in a picture that achieves nothing then we are fucked (nvm people already are this stupid)

[uncut tiger]

No what if they do all the things that god could do

After all there are people who control the world

They could make anything happen

[uncut tiger]

What if it's a realistic one and you can't tell apart

And that thing , the projection, can grant you anything you want

Would you believe in that God?

[manic juniper]

It's just a three-dimensional cinema projection, a crocodile is more godly than that

[feral river]

I do not believe in something does not exist.

like God

[fleet anvil]

me neither

[uncut tiger]

Nah you're not getting it

It's like very advanced and super real

[manic juniper]

If it can then it's truly god because no alien technology could achieve my wishes

[feral river]

in your dream

[uncut tiger]

Material wishes I mean

[feral river]

very advanced rhetoric that expired and nobody gives a shit

[manic juniper]

If I ask the projection to restore the Mesozoic it has to be god

[uncut tiger]

Don't beat about the bush wth is wrong with you atheists

[dapper laurel]

Not only Greek paganism

[formal pilot]

@manic juniper Do animals know how to count, I saw a cat with 5 kittens one of them left behind and she came back to rescue it, it can't be only based on smell because feces can also smell the same, it can't be only based on appearance because in some cases offsprings can look nearly identical

[manic juniper]

We don't believe in realistic projections, simple as that

[feral river]

wth is wrong with you guys talking some shitty in your head which you neither could observe or proof its existence while dreaming it when you are coming off ?

that was stupid honest to say

and the stupidest thing is, oh god I'm gonna tell everyone let's love this shit together

literally what you guys do.

[uncut tiger]

Your science can't explain the beginning of the universe, it only knows about 5% of the universe, it can't measure the velocity of a subatomic particle, it can't explain the absence of alien life. Yet you still trust it with you life.

[feral river]

basically an outdated basis form of a cult which already being destroyed by the state and modern ideologies

[uncut tiger]

Atheism Is just Satanism because both involve staying away from God

[dapper laurel]

I don't understand the point of religious discussions here

[feral river]

so you can explain it right ? I can tell you I can use the same way to explain how my d is relating to the beginning of the universe

[dapper laurel]

There is nothing to debate about religion

[manic juniper]

Animals have some concept of quantity, same as humans. We can roughly tell which quantity is bigger and which one is smaller, the body odour of mammals has to do with a variety of glands btw

Animals can't always tell their offspring apart either, humans and birds cannot for example. That's why people swap children at the hospital sometimes or you can give a bird another chick (sometimes not even from the same species) and they will accept it, source: I literally put a wood pigeon in a rock dove's nest and they started taking care of it

[uncut tiger]

An absence of a divine overlooker doesn't explain the intricate balance and order of the universe

[feral river]

you cannot proof it or explain it, but only making assumptions based on some rhetoric used for controlling people ?

[feral river]

yeah so make one even you don't know it

[manic juniper]

As for quantities animals have limits on the quantities they can tell apart from just taking a quick glance, I don't know if they actually count in units like we do

[feral river]

that divine overlooker is my d.

proof me I'm wrong

[manic juniper]

Salamanders are quite stupid but I recall reading that they can tell apart quantities as well

I doubt insects cannot either

[feral river]

that was totally fucked I can't believe that is even a topic in 2024

[manic juniper]

I don't think you even understand how science works

Yeah science cannot explain how the universe began, still better than "some guy made it pop into existence"

[uncut tiger]

You're mortal, you're the blink of an eye considering the age of the universe, you're Chinese, you don't speak all languages, you don't create shit

[feral river]

let him proof I'm wrong of my d is not the devine overlooker

[manic juniper]

Religious people get a meltdown if you ask them why their god must be special and not generated by some other god or a one-time special event

[feral river]

who the hell tells you that ? how arrogant you are making accusations against me

[manic juniper]

For all that I care the Big Bang could be a one-time special event without anything divine to it

[feral river]

omg I'm the god you are defying the god bro

believe it in the first place

[uncut tiger]

What's the cause

If the universe is the effect

[manic juniper]

Why

[feral river]

I don't even give them a chance, I will tell them that you can create one ? I can do that too

[sonic hazel]

Debating about it is useless. Just because you don’t believe, doesn’t mean that others shouldn’t believe.
If it does them good, then what’s the harm in that?
Another thing, there are many things that we as humans do not know. For example, there are species of animals that we do not know, diseases.. That does not mean that it does not exist.

[manic juniper]

You have less than 100 years yet you believe that we know everything must have a cause lol

[feral river]

let's believe I'm the god

and I'm the god

[manic juniper]

The universe as we know it has almost 14 billion years, how can we even assume it has a cause

[feral river]

the supreme existence since the beginning of the universe

this is me, and other religion are all false

perfect, what's the next statement ?

[sonic hazel]

You don’t believe. Okay. We do. Okay. Life that follows.

[dapper laurel]

Stop it, just stop this debate, neither side will be right

[uncut tiger]

As I said, science isn't ripe yet to explain the universe

You only know about a fraction of the universe

[feral river]

not the reason to use some rhetoric to justify some d is the beginning of the universe

or I can make one as you do

[fleet anvil]

everyone can believe what they want, can`t they?

[dapper laurel]

One of the main messages of my religion is to let others do what they want, who are religious people to impose rules on others?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[formal pilot]

That's what I was really interested in understanding, how they count what units do they use, Google/ Ai isn't giving me satisfactory answers.

Which animal is best at it do you have any idea?

[feral river]

they can do that

[manic juniper]

Or just not believe in anything

[misty ruin]

Hey what's going on

[feral river]

but they wanna enforce their shit on other people ? no we will respond with the sound of the gun shot

[uncut tiger]

Well I guess to one with faith no explanation is needed; to one without faith, no explanation is possible.

[manic juniper]

I don't recall, I've never read a study on it but there was a list of the highest amount an animal could "count" to

[feral river]

you don't need faith to explain anything

neither am I

that's called freedom of speech

[formal pilot]

Alright I'll give a crack to those studies

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sense_in_animals
This is a starting point maybe

Knowing quantities is advantageous for a variety of reasons, to deal with animals that live in groups, to discriminate between resources

[misty ruin]

Basically I am not able to understand why you people are taking. . anyone who give me brief about what is happening here

[zinc yoke]

Science isn’t defined by explanations it provides. Science is just a systematic way of thinking. Science acknowledges that a lot of knowledge is not yet known. Every scientific explanation can be discredited if enough evidence eventually supports against it. Religion has no such theme. You cannot fundamentally upgrade it. If entire humanity operates 100% on the basis of religious principles, this discord wouldn’t exist rn. Both have their place within humanity but it is science that drives humanity take next step.

[dapper laurel]

Religion debate

[feral river]

religion is a tool for authorities to rule people directly.

[dapper laurel]

The usual monotonous religious debate

[feral river]

that's quite simple, making stories, telling people what to do and what not to do, then rule them

that's the opium of the people honestly

[uncut tiger]

Me too

Too many evolved apes here

[sonic hazel]

Interesting comment. Something your government does well. Without having religion.

[dapper laurel]

You are the opium of the people

[feral river]

it was a soft measure established based on education and practice also it has involved some state power around the religion

which we have some state were built on religion

[dapper laurel]

I don't take part in these things anymore, it's useless

[feral river]

that's just a simple truth.

[dapper laurel]

God doesn't want this

[manic juniper]

Do you remember the full context tho

Marx said it's the opium of the people, of the oppressed

To make lower class people feel better

[feral river]

nothing really special, and it was outdated in modern society because we have complex ideologies like capitalism, communism, democraticism, authoritarianism, leftism, rightism, fascism, anarchism.

[manic juniper]

Opium was a medicine to cause relief during his time

[feral river]

and the most powerful one, nationalism

the concept based on religion is outdated

completely outdated almost in everywhere except the area that ISIS controls and Taliban afghanistan

[feral river]

I'm not a communist but I read communist books ofc I know that but honestly I don't have much hostility towards religious people

I just say what's the truth behind all of these

and Karl Marx is kinda right on this point

[ashen mortar]

every drug was medicine back then

[manic juniper]

Have you read the works from the Frankfurt school?

[formal pilot]

Found a cool experiment on rats, they had to learn to press a lever a specified number of times to obtain food.

When target number was four, the rats responses varied from three to seven, and for the target number of 16 the responses varied from 12 to 24

So they've an approximation number system

[thorny steeple]

i dont think so

[feral river]

not really what was that

[manic juniper]

It's basically Marxism but more complete

A synthesis of Marxism and other ideas

[manic juniper]

Maybe some animals count like that or they use both systems

[feral river]

anarchist-communism or bolshevik-communism ?

[thorny steeple]

what is the topic

[feral river]

Lenin vs. Trosky

[thorny steeple]

what is this

[manic juniper]

They were dissatisfied with communism and socialism as well

[thorny steeple]

my friend not replying

what could be

the reason

[formal pilot]

Most likely he's busy

[formal pilot]

Most animal can only cout to 3 accurately ig

Count*

Otherwise I'll make the rats do my maths homework

[void arch]

hey guys, this is my uncrackable argument It’s impossible to be made up of dependent things and still be the necessary existence.”

Exactly - if the universe is made up of dependent things (galaxies, stars, planets, gases), then the universe depends on the summation of those things in order to BE the universe.

It has building blocks and thus needs to be built!

thats prove a necessary being brings up the universe to exist

[crude widget]

Would it not still be the universe if there were one less galaxy in it?

What about half of the galaxies?

[manic juniper]

Yes it would be the universe even if it was completely empty

[crude widget]

These are not necessary components

[manic juniper]

Ironically enough the only "necessary" thing is void itself, which is nothingness. You always have void around

[void arch]

still be restricted by many things , restriction is a from of dependency, but thats not our subject , so away from hypothesis bcz the observable universe demonstrates that is composed from dependent things

[manic juniper]

You can have an empty universe

It's not that difficult to imagine

[void arch]

necessary bcz we observe an existence we experience it and we do science , so if there is an existence its a **necessity ** for the necessary being or any thing u want to call it who brings this universe to exist

[manic juniper]

That's just some bullshit philosophy, there is no such thing as necessity especially if it's empty

[void arch]

there is nothing called empty in physics always there is particles and energy , the absolut emptiness is unreal in this real world

[manic juniper]

Yeah but what stops you from imagining a universe without them...? Are you really this uncreative

Do you suffer of aphantasia?

[void arch]

our discussion is this observable world not a hypothesis of an empty world that is ilogical to have somthing thats it nothing , its a contradiction, ik u always jump out the subject so stick to the subject bcz the universe is not fully empty

[manic juniper]

Oh it's illogical, yet you claim the world used to be like that before brought it to existence? Be consistent

[void arch]

why i need to imagine when i leave in a universe show the opposite of my imagination , im searching for a creator of this world not ur imaginary world that is empty hah

[manic juniper]

The necessary entity can simply be the Big Bang itself, no need to give it a personality if you have no reasons to

[manic juniper]

You're searching for an imaginary being with the features that you like

[void arch]

i said a necessary being brings it to existence so its something not nothing.

[manic juniper]

Can't it simply be the Big Bang itself?

The Big Bang is a necessary entity

[void arch]

no im not the universe make a necessity for that to be not

[manic juniper]

It's the Big Bang, I solved your stupid dilemma

You may call it god, fine to me, it's the necessary entity

[void arch]

the big ban is a phenomenon ,an observable effect , or simply a result of a cause .it cant be the cause itself

[shy summit]

Please do not mix the two I’m not that awesome to be a Satanist

[manic juniper]

This is assuming everything must have a cause, did you observe the primary cause then?

Did you ever see something pop into existence? If not then you can't assume the universe did at some point

[shy summit]

You can’t claim a rule then claim something must break the rule then have no observation of that thing then claim that thing exists

[charred trail]

@manic juniper Hello how are you? You will ignore me forever? 🤔

[shy summit]

This is basic logic you’re messing up here.

[manic juniper]

I have you blocked, that's why I ignore your texts

[void arch]

it need a will to make a decision for start the univers , need unimaginable power and knowledge bcz the universe demonstrates power and complex information

[shy summit]

Quantum fields

[manic juniper]

You're creating new rules now to fit your own concept, do you have another, more or less complex universe to compare then? Why do you claim our universe is complex?

This universe could be the simplest of them

[charred trail]

What is the reason to block me ? I think our conversation was good. I am surprised to block me

[void arch]

quantum fields are not nothingness it s field of energy

energy is something

particle is something

[shy summit]

Yes your claim is flawed we don’t believe the universe came from nothing

The fact that you keep saying this stupid shit shows you don’t listen

[manic juniper]

Because you got offended after I said I'm an atheist, and that I'm out of my mind for that. You also said a lot of bad things about atheists and other people

[void arch]

it s complex , don't science demonstrate that every time , do u know the fine tuning argument

[manic juniper]

I don't like to befriend narrow minded people

[shy summit]

You keep saying ‘something from nothing’ when no atheist here is saying that.

Only you are saying it Ayoub

[manic juniper]

It's only complex from our perspective, can you claim it's complex if compared to other universes?

[shy summit]

You insist it must be this way, its not, it breaks our understanding of the universe as we know it now.

Its invalid

[void arch]

ok just look at ur DNA do it contain inforamtion ??

[shy summit]

After a fashion

[manic juniper]

This is the worst argument from theists, "the universe is beautiful and complex therefore god"

What kind of argument is that, then game developers are deities as well

[shy summit]

But the materials or energy it contains always existed

[void arch]

atheisms is irrational just keep yelling Nale

[manic juniper]

It's rational because reptiles are atheists and they are rational

[charred trail]

I am so sorry. I really didn't respect you and that makes me really upset inside and then I found out that a lot of Europeans don't have a religion. So I got used to it. I hope you forgive me. I'm willing to do anything for you to forgive me?

[void arch]

no thats not my argument , i have alr give my principle argument its uncrackable , thats why i dont rely on those argument of fine tuning and stuff bcz always got rejected... i just responded to ur claim that the universe is not complex that s it , so dont jump

[manic juniper]

It's not uncrackable, the other guy already dismantled it in few words

Nothing is dependent on this universe, there are no necessities

[shy summit]

You’re the one professing magic bud

[manic juniper]

Physics doesn't break if an entire galaxy is missing

[dapper laurel]

Why offend religious people now?

[shy summit]

Have you met me?

[void arch]

so ur not depending on water and food , the galaxies are not depending on planets and stars to exist what a good idea

[shy summit]

That’s not what her argument meant Ayoub

[manic juniper]

Biological needs for self-sustainment are completely different from thermodynamics, this makes no sense

My body could exist without water and food, I'd be dead but that doesn't mean I disappear from existence

[cobalt patrol]

mashallah

[void arch]

physics is a descriptive approach to show how things works ... that why there are dependent things , from physical perspective the universe is restricted by complex and fine tuning laws , restriction is a from of dependency .

[dense agate]

on the other hand, believing a supernatural god certainly exists beyond doubt is rational.
are you defining words as you see fit ? it's all arbitrary now

[manic juniper]

List those dependent things

[formal pilot]

[void arch]

when it s a necessity and universe demonstrate it s attributes, it make more sense for me than saying i dont know , science well never respond to our major question can give us things called help us in that but never a direct answer, bcz it out of it its field making this excuse it s just a stupid why to avoid using rationality

[dense agate]

KEK

understanding how the universe works (physics)
biological needs
this category mixing is one of the many fallacies

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-minions-minion-jesus-minion-jesus-minions-gif-7144750489783141689

[spiral turret]

BUT what would happend if i do mistake during speaking and ALSO that awkward silence when they dont get my poing

[void arch]

It’s impossible to be made up of dependent things and still be the necessary existence.”

Exactly - if the universe is made up of dependent things (galaxies, stars, planets, gases), then the universe depends on the summation of those things in order to BE the universe.

It has building blocks and thus needs to be built!
thats prove a necessary being brings up the universe to exist

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_universe
It's an hypothesis lol

[dense agate]

you might as well link us the AI so we can talk to it and cut the middle man

[spiral turret]

REAK QUESTION

[formal pilot]

There's no way he went to Vegas

[formal pilot]

It's so frustrating to argue against ai

Take em to VCs

[dense agate]

you are literally making the god of gaps argument
" i don't have a rational answer to the meaning of the universe, so i am better off making a leap of faith than saying idk"
are you so oblivious ?

[void arch]

thats how u know , when an atheist got broken up

[formal pilot]

We all are humans we do mistakes all the time, learn from em and move on, if you want to make no mistake you'll end up with no progress

[dense agate]

watching them reply 20 sec later as they wait for the AI to answer

[dense agate]

saying something doesn't make it true

you're argument was literally, instead of saying idk, i will make a leap of faith

[dapper laurel]

Nothing is true

[dense agate]

god of gaps argument

[dapper laurel]

And I can prove to all of you that the movement does not exist

[spiral turret]

just imagine everyone listen to you but when your speech ends, they still silence to end of your point which is already ended

[void arch]

bro it not me , i m just demonstrating that we cant have an answer with the experimental science to observe the creator it s ouside the universe , outside time and space

[manic juniper]

Hm fine potatoes

[manic juniper]

If it's outside then how can it interact? It makes more sense for the Big Bang to be the necessary cause since it's already in our universe

[opaque grove]

?def carryover

[cursive bobcat]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[formal pilot]

If you're energetic enough you won't feel awkward lol

[dense agate]

we can't rationally claim something is true beyond doubt.
the problem is the theist folks claim god exists with certainty and come up with all these half aborted arguments

[opaque grove]

?def carry over

[cursive bobcat]

Word: carry over

Definition 1 (verb): hold over goods to be sold for the next season
Definition 2 (verb): transfer from one time period to the next
Definition 3 (verb): transfer or persist from one stage or sphere of activity to another

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by chinkou400

[formal pilot]

If he's outside of the universe there's nothing in nature than can prove his existence lol

[spiral turret]

im not im just an introvert person who wants to speak

[manic juniper]

True, he cannot imagine an empty universe but he can imagine another universe with a being that has a mind and the power to create this one? It's strange

[dense agate]

he's a supernatural deity, so by definition we can't prove him through rationality or empiricism.
so the question is how are we to perceive such entity ?

[manic juniper]

Maybe there is another universe where another being created him

So he could create this universe in turn

Demiurge moment

[formal pilot]

Maybe there's another universe where we're god

[manic juniper]

Fuck the Demiurge, all my homies hate the Demiurge and his incompetence

[carmine gorge]

Kill the urge

[dense agate]

Futurama be like

[manic juniper]

We are gods to videogame characters and AIs

[carmine gorge]

We are slaves ig

[manic juniper]

I can simply break my PS2 discs and destroy countless dimensions

But I choose not to

[carmine gorge]

Nooooooo

[manic juniper]

I will download millions of pictures and videos of mammals so I can delete all of them and feel powerful

[void arch]

the universe show dependency and restrictions + a something cant come from an absolute nothingness + the universe cant create itself bcz it s irrational like can a mother give birth to itself = so it s a necessity to be a cause uncaused brings it to exist

[manic juniper]

I will be the God of Mammals myself

[carmine gorge]

Lifeless creature

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[formal pilot]

There are plenty of really really good actors who are introvert, but they play every role exceptionally good, you can create an altr ego which isn't introvert

In psychology this method is frequently used lol

[void arch]

it s a necessity not a hypothesis

[carmine gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-iron-man-marvel-infinity-stones-infinity-gauntlet-gif-14609145

[manic juniper]

Yes, lesbian lizards can give birth to themselves

They are cloning themselves

[formal pilot]

It's better to not engage in this kind of cyclic discussion and just agree to disagree
You'll get plenty of time to think about something better and brain Strom in philosophy

[dense agate]

trying to prove a supernatural entity through rationality + mixing category fallacy + flawed logic + wack premise = increased copium dosage

[manic juniper]

Give lesbian lizards enough time and they will create another universe

[formal pilot]

Slaves of our brain

[dense agate]

you're building this on the premise that the universe has a meaning, and we must find it. we can't take no for an answer.
you are doomed to make a leap of faith

[carmine gorge]

Jus destroy it
🦵
🧠

[manic juniper]

Return to ganglia

[thorny steeple]

#1255237611237277817 message

[mental bridge]

?def penmanship

[cursive bobcat]

Word: penmanship

Definition (noun): beautiful handwriting

Definition requested by anne_1707

[formal pilot]

I still think Trex was a crawler

[manic juniper]

Why is that

[dense agate]

it fun to talk about certain things, it's not fun to talk to dishonest and rigid people, who would twist anything to reach their desired conclusions, and those who think they are a state lel

[manic juniper]

I don't know how but I found out about Leptoceratopsids just today

[formal pilot]

The amount of weight and the shape of body only make sence if it was a crawler

[manic juniper]

They are mini-versions of ceratopsians like Triceratops

[formal pilot]

What's that

[manic juniper]

Lower guys

They're basically advanced Psittacosaurids

[formal pilot]

Indeed it's really frustrating and energy consuming

[manic juniper]

They finally rejected bipedalism

[manic juniper]

But it had lower density thanks to hollow bones and air sacs

[formal pilot]

Lol I was thinking about the animals which evolved into big dinosaurs while watching prehistoric Planet

[dense agate]

seems like someone could enjoy ARK

[manic juniper]

I don't like it much, in fact it's first in my list of hated games

[dense agate]

how come

[formal pilot]

4500kgs -8000 kgs are alot for 2 small legs

[manic juniper]

Yeah dinosaurs are just like mammals, you see some that looked similar but actually are completely different groups that evolved similarly

[manic juniper]

Their femurs were a lot stronger than those of elephants, elephants are poorly optimised meanwhile Tyrannosaurus could afford to be digitigrade as a titan

Not even humans and bears managed to be digitigrade

[manic juniper]

Idk very unpolished and I couldn't even go far from my teammate

There is also the fact that reptiles often share their leg muscles with those of the tail

[formal pilot]

What's the oldest known ancestor of dinosaurs??

Lmao i should've just googled it

[manic juniper]

I don't recall now because it changed a lot over the years, I recall the very first one I saw was Eoraptor lunensis, now it's thought to be a very early sauropodomorph

[formal pilot]

It still looks like dinosaur 💀

Did it evolve from snake like animals?

I think lizards eventually became snakes

[manic juniper]

That one yes, because it's undoubtedly a dinosaur. But Nyasasaurus is more dubious (and it looks like one anyway)

There are fake dinosaurs like Poposaurus, completely unrelated to actual dinosaurs, it was related to crocodilians

The first dinosaur must've appeared somewhere in southern Pangaea I believe

[manic juniper]

Yes

[formal pilot]

It looks more realistic and in right proportion than our perception of trex

[manic juniper]

There are other pseudosuchians that looked even more like dinosaurs than that as well

[manic juniper]

Tyrannosaurus looked less realistic as it grew up, it's also because it was extremely bulky compared to other Tyrannosaurids

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrerasauridae
These are some of the earliest dinosaurs, and this group is extremely problematic

[formal pilot]

I was trying to find a crawler among ancestors, couldn't find anything lol

[manic juniper]

They are full of primitive features, paleontologists didn't figure out the group they belonged to yet or how the main dinosaur groups (Ornithischians, Sauropodomorphs and Theropods) were related to one another

[uncut tiger]

@shy summit do atheists believe that the world came from nothing, if not then whats the atheist belief?

[formal pilot]

233M years ago...dayamm

[manic juniper]

Yes, dinosaurs kinda were underdogs during that time. I don't recall if chimerasuchus did an overview on Triassic dinosaurs but he explained it very well

https://youtu.be/POK2oI7PwtI
This maybe

[formal pilot]

233 M is alot, Trex was roaming around 90-60 m years ago

[manic juniper]

Yes and it was very close to birds compared to the early dinosaurs

[shy summit]

Energy cannot be created or destroyed thats a fundamental aspect of physics

[manic juniper]

That's the thing about theropods, the big ones go extinct all the times and the smaller ones replace them, and end up looking like their previous counterparts

[formal pilot]

That's interesting

[manic juniper]

The same happened to sauropods, kind of

Sauropodomorphs were the first dinosaurs to achieve large sizes, they replaced anomodonts as the largest herbivores of the Triassic already but they looked different from sauropods

[formal pilot]

Is there any chart that goes back to unicellular organisms?

Or any simple multi cellular

[manic juniper]

A cladogram that goes back to unicellular organisms? I've seen some but they obviously are extremely approximated

I tried to make a detailed cladistic tree of tetrapods for a friend in another country, but looking back at it I learned a lot more since rhen and it's even more approximate than how I'd do it now

[formal pilot]

I'd be intresting to see trex till a chicken size ancestor

I suppose we don't have enough fossil records yet

[manic juniper]

We have some on Tyrannosauroids

[formal pilot]

Anything would work lol

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuolong

This for example is an early coelurosaur, coelurosaurs are the smallest group that includes birds and Tyrannosaurus

So anything that exists near their point of origin looks like the ancestor of both

I'll get closer to Tyrannosaurus now

[formal pilot]

We need to dig more ffs

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilong_paradoxus
Bigger than a chicken

But not too much bigger and it's already much closer to Tyrannosaurus

[formal pilot]

130-122 ma

Do we have any non dinasaur looking fossil??

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suskityrannus
This too

[formal pilot]

Or I'm asking for too much

[manic juniper]

Wdym, an ancestor of Tyrannosaurus that doesn't look like a dinosaur? Or generally an ancestor of dinosaurs

By the time theropods appeared they already looked recognisable

[formal pilot]

Generally ancestors of dinasaur that doesn't look like a typical dinasaur

[manic juniper]

I can try to find you the closest to dinosaurs that doesn't look like a dinosaur

Ok that's easy, there are at least two groups to go by

[formal pilot]

Or don't worry, tomorrow I'm free I'll do some research

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesauridae
What about the quadrupedal ones? They look dinosaurian but barely, I'll dig even more

[formal pilot]

Yeah now it's making scene

We're on right track

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphanosauria

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mambachiton

These are slightly earlier than silesaurs

Bear in mind that these guys predate both dinosaurs and pterosaurs

The group below them includes dinosaurs and pterosaurs, the one above includes these AND crocodilians (Archosauria, the chosen ones)

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah they're really really interesting, I was looking for something like it

Alright I'll read about em tomorrow

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euparkeria

This precedes both crocodilians and birds, so this is basically a superpowered lizard pretty much

[formal pilot]

247 ma that's good

[manic juniper]

We can go even further back

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aenigmastropheus
The guy on the right that looks like a monitor lizard

[formal pilot]

It won't benifit me, I need to read about em first

After that I'll go further

[manic juniper]

If we go back even further we reach the group where all living reptiles reside, Sauria

[manic juniper]

If we stop here it's just crocodilians, birds and turtles

[formal pilot]

That's enough for now

It's digestible

Because I really want to learn about them lol

[manic juniper]

Before them it's even more murky

We find random reptile groups whose relationship are unclear to this day

[unique light]

Hi guys

[manic juniper]

For example the entire Parareptilia clade, or the origin of ichthyosaurs and sauropterygiians

[manic juniper]

Helou

Man reptiles make me patriotic

[unique light]

Hi Suomi Queen

[formal pilot]

Imagine dying without knowing about them, sucha waste of life

[manic juniper]

Luckily they infest every part of the world nowadays

Imagine the poor generations born on Mars, they won't even have real chickens to eat, only their synthetic meat

[formal pilot]

Lol yeah

[shy summit]

Synthetic Cock Meat

[formal pilot]

We've really limited time to learn about eath as much as possible, after that we'll become part of it and it'll be dark

[prisma cipher]

Because he doesn't care if you don't believe or not

[feral river]

not really it's the time to have a new board game on the globe!

it's the West vs. the Global South

[manic juniper]

Dinosaurs originated in the global South

[feral river]

new cold war is upcoming

guns, missiles, drones, tanks, fighters, and nukes

we need develop more advance weapons to secure our planet

pouring 70% of the money of globe into military

[thorny steeple]

new topic

iraq has passed new rule

marriage age for gils is now 9 years

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

What the fudge???

[thorny steeple]

That's jus so insane bro

share your opinions

[feral river]

I don't even know a 9 year old girl were able to reproduce a child

what's the least limit for a girl to get pregnant

[gaunt hedge]

OMG
That's babaric

[thorny steeple]

yes she is able

[feral river]

9 year old girl are able to get pregant ? you sure about that ?

[slate hornet]

Guys do u think we are near to world war 3 as Russia launches nuclear capable intercontinental ballistic missile

[prisma cipher]

[feral river]

I don't think so

[slate hornet]

On Ukraine

[thorny steeple]

now a days girls are getting early puberty

[thorny steeple]

12 or 13 I guess

[feral river]

I guess it's 15-16

[thorny steeple]

Still it's 11 the end bro not 9

[feral river]

but 9 bro is little bit too wild 💀

[thorny steeple]

yes

[prisma cipher]

It most likely will be several steps before launching missiles

[thorny steeple]

anyone muslim here

[thorny steeple]

Depends on puberty but y do they wanna make them slaves at such a young age they can make bright future uh

[thorny steeple]

Yes I am

[slate hornet]

As UK and US gave permission to Ukraine to use their missiles so Russia got provoked and gave warning to all the countries by launching missiles . Even they are preparing nuclear bunkers for it citizens

[unique light]

The war has been dragging on for three years now, and we've gone from "Kyiv in three days" to threats of nuclear war. If Russia actually goes down that path, the U.S. and NATO will respond, and Russia as we know it will not exist anymore

[thorny steeple]

am sorry but according to iraq gov. it is under their religious

[feral river]

I'm sure they don't need full destruction of Ukraine but taking over them

[thorny steeple]

i think condition of muslim girls is not good

[feral river]

woah you really think US is gonna die for europeans

[prisma cipher]

The same as nato and us. We have enough weapon, even more than enough, because USSR.

[unique light]

Well, they will have to

[feral river]

that's funny bro

[prisma cipher]

I think people in USSR know something the left so many nukes

[feral river]

I'm sure they will probably do nothing and see how you guys gonna survive under the temperature above 2000

[thorny steeple]

pakistan has banned vpn

[feral river]

that's funny you think US is gonna die for you lmao

they don't give a shit

[unique light]

Most of the nuclear missiles you guys have haven't been maintained or used in decades, so it is very unllikely they could even be launched now

[thorny steeple]

to stop terrorism

[manic juniper]

If there is WW3 they will fight in Europe, if it's just a smaller skirmish between NATO or the EU and Russia they may not intervene

[slate hornet]

Well see we don’t know what’s going to happen but I don’t think so Russia will take its foot back

[prisma cipher]

You know what I really think, if Russian shoot one country all other countries just do nothing, because it will be the end.

[slate hornet]

May be

[manic juniper]

But if they launch nukes and USA does nothing it'd be unrealistic

[unique light]

Lmaooo

[feral river]

yeah the end of the world if Russia wants

there's no Russia there's no world.

[prisma cipher]

When you have two choices and one of them is death, you choose wisely

[feral river]

same logic on us.

[prisma cipher]

JMO

[feral river]

you guys are nothing because you are not a nuclear power

[prisma cipher]

[feral river]

we are.

[unique light]

Many ignorant people who support Trump also tend to support Russia

[prisma cipher]

Seal is blocked.

[unique light]

Nobody cares pal

[feral river]

I support Trump ofc he don't give a shit to you guys he's not a european president

ofc I support him I support him so much

[unique light]

Yeah, he just wants to make America worse for their own citizens

Fair play to him

[feral river]

as long as he will force you guys pay for the fucking bill and cooperate with Russia for american interest

there's no reason I will not support him.

[manic juniper]

USA isn't just Trump, even Trump isn't dumb and coward enough to not have a response at nuclear weapons

[feral river]

and he won

LMAO

[unique light]

Cooperate with Russia? Fuck off

[feral river]

now cry about it.

[unique light]

Nobody will ever be friends with Russia

[feral river]

you guys are not even from somewhere like France and Britain which have nukes

what a crap to say something to a nuclear power

[unique light]

What do you mean by 'you guys?'

[manic juniper]

France is ready to drop nukes if shit happens

[feral river]

they have nukes, they have power

but their nukes are capable to destroy Russia ? I don't think so

Russian nukes are capable to destroy the entire earth

they are nothing

[unique light]

You mean Russian nukes?

[prisma cipher]

I sure if we nuke French no one nuke back.

[slate hornet]

What if Japan comes with their old world war flag and with advance weapons which they were creating secretly. And takes revenge of nuclear attacks??

[feral river]

why don't you guys just nuke Ukraine btw

[prisma cipher]

They will scream a lot

[unique light]

I am pretty sure nobody cares about what you Russians think

[prisma cipher]

But not fight back

[manic juniper]

Why would they, they are allies of USA, there is no bitterness

[feral river]

I will see if their scream will scare the Russian troops

[slate hornet]

I’m telling just my assumptions . But it doesn’t take time to betray anyone

[feral river]

LMAO

[manic juniper]

There would be an even bigger response than nuking Ukraine

[prisma cipher]

because this weapon is under the sign of taboo, this weapon of genocide

[feral river]

at that time I won't be surprised that Russian troops will reach the English channel again

[slate hornet]

I don’t know why people can’t chill rather than having war with each other

[prisma cipher]

What I say it theoretically, I don't want nuke any country. Because there are kids

[unique light]

Joke of the day

[feral river]

"From Siberia to English Channel"

[manic juniper]

Some are irrational and still start wars

And nationalists defend aggression

Starting a war and consolidating power is easier than dealing with domestic issues

[slate hornet]

Yes even we are living in golden times and these assholes wants to do wars

[mortal vector]

Hello world

[unique light]

JOptionPane.showMessageDialog("Hello");

[prisma cipher]

[mortal vector]

hey what’s up

[feral river]

me too but I never withdraw my right to have a nuclear deterrance and possibly nuke an enemy state

[unique light]

JOptionPane.showMessageDialog("Nothing Much");

[slate hornet]

I think polticians do some boxing matches with each other rather than dragging civilians in wars and destroying families. Because honestly I don’t think so civilians have problem with other countries civilians

[manic juniper]

Hopefully these new people in the American government are neocons and not paleocons

Neocons are needed for once

[feral river]

like Israel does not required to nuke Gaza and West Bank

they need to annex it for their own interest

[mortal vector]

What is your name

[unique light]

Why?

[unique light]

I am a seal

[unique light]

Happy days

[slate hornet]

But isn’t trump paleocon

[manic juniper]

Yes he is, but he can be convinced or he let other people in the cabinet deal with it

[mortal vector]

Who?

[slate hornet]

Yeah I read that . And he got so much provoked that he launched missile on Ukraine

[unique light]

Me

https://tenor.com/view/niko-toba-aquarium-seal-cute-niko-my-beloved-gif-23934321

[mortal vector]

Who are you?

[unique light]

I am a seal

[mortal vector]

[slate hornet]

If that’s the condition then it’s ok .

[mortal vector]

Who is seal?

[manic juniper]

The way he acted towards Iran for example was very neoconservative

[unique light]

It is a marine animal

[manic juniper]

And Iran is an ally of Russia now, he can be convinced

[mortal vector]

I don’t know him i wanna know you

[unique light]

Why? I am a seal

[slate hornet]

Umm okay I haven’t read about that news .

[mortal vector]

Iran is danger for usa

[slate hornet]

I think the countries which are there in North Pole of the earth are safest countries with no fear of wars and nukes

[manic juniper]

It is but less than Russia, they are far

[unique light]

https://tenor.com/view/ireland-flag-gif-europe-gif-27417994

[slate hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-gif-25557445

[prisma cipher]

it's like you're watching a movie

I don't wish you to become a participant in this movie

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[slate hornet]

True . But Putin needs some therapy tho . He just got provoked on silly things

[slate hornet]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

How are you

[slate hornet]

I’m good . Wbu??

[thorny steeple]

I am good now ( i was not good few hours ago, but I am glad that I talked with a friend and now I feel better )

[slate hornet]

Oh that’s good tho . Take care of yourself

[manic juniper]

The offer to leave wasn't available to my family at the beginning of the war

[feral river]

why you guys use telegram that much ?

[prisma cipher]

Because everything else blocked

[unreal jetty]

Omg

[feral river]

According to CCTV News Client, on November 21, local time, the Ukrainian Air Force issued a notice saying that Russia launched an intercontinental ballistic missile that morning.
The Russian side has not responded to this yet.
The Ukrainian Air Force said that there is a risk of missile attacks in many places in Ukraine.
The Ukrainian Air Force issued an alert on the 21st, saying that it had monitored the launch of Russian MiG-31K fighters and Tu-95 strategic bombers, and there was a risk of missile attacks in the Ukrainian capital Kiev, Poltava Oblast, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast and other places.

This is WeChat

so we basically use WeChat for everything, we use WeChat for chat, for ordering food, playing games, online payment, book a hostel or flight ticket, taxi, everything you could imagine which is included only in this one app.

[unreal jetty]

Ohh, that's really nice. Here in Brazil we use WhatsApp to talk

[jade copper]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/61ARcYyYHcOcrdwIpwQval?si=4NTQdafCTUGlGJn3Vic4ww&pi=e-Op6haTmTSpar

Hi, can you save this playlist, please?

[prisma cipher]

I thought you live in Finland

[dapper laurel]

@dense agate Does time exist for you?

[manic juniper]

Me? Yes, I did

[prisma cipher]

And then where?

[manic juniper]

I live in Japan now

[prisma cipher]

But before Japan

[manic juniper]

Finland, if you mean my family then my mum's family lived in Ukraine and Moldova

[prisma cipher]

no one warned about the start of the war because the whole point was a surprise attack, they didn't have to be prepared

[manic juniper]

[prisma cipher]

I just explain why. 🐸

I don't say it effectively or something

[manic juniper]

Yes I know, not blaming it on you

[prisma cipher]

And I know all news were saying Russia going to attack, but when they not sure it different thing.

[manic juniper]

I think it was clear by 2021 when Putin warned Biden

[prisma cipher]

It was clear back minded. Like if Russia nuke someone, a bunch of people say it was obviously, but it not obvious when it don't happen yet

I think before a real nuclear strike there will be several steps, first be a test of this weapon on our soil, the second is a strike with small nuclear shells, we have such weapons, and only then a real strike.

[unique light]

[manic juniper]

Z⃠

[unique light]

What's this?

[manic juniper]

F

[unique light]

[prisma cipher]

@manic juniper https://vk.com/video-12399359_456241373 it how Russian go to Ukraine. How civil Russian respect them.

[unique light]

That's a suspicious link there

[glad vale]

hello

what do you do in Japan?

thank you for answering...

i believe that..

[dapper laurel]

If the Russians had respected the Ukrainians, they would not have invaded them

[prisma cipher]

Ukrainians were not friendly neighbors.

[prisma cipher]

https://youtu.be/5XRYw39akD4?si=GnPPG8pbWFNkZKAn this is Zelensky's former advisor, here he is bragging about how Zelensky deceived Putin. They probably had a good laugh.

and then they wonder how it happened

[prisma cipher]

Translate what he said there, and translate who he was.

[thorny steeple]

Do you know about Baba Vanga

[dense agate]

i believe we exist in the same spacetime continuum, unless you went back to south italy then dark ages it is

[shy summit]

Ohio is another one of those space-time paradoxes

[spice bobcat]

I ain't here to argue. I didn't even say anything 😭

[molten laurel]

i won't argue fr

i know what's right no need to argue trust me

[spice bobcat]

I wasn't even part of it. Why'd bro ping me

[magic olive]

That’s Gaultzz for you.

[pale thistle]

Yes

[cobalt patrol]

ye

inshallah you will have a deeper understanding

[stuck kestrel]

yo

[whole beacon]

Shit i meant charade

My keyboard likes to come up with words

[long badge]

Hello

Salam alaikum

What why u hate islam brothor😁we all are one brother

[cursive bobcat]

Word: racism

Definition 1 (noun): discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
Definition 2 (noun): the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

Definition requested by 0404

[whole beacon]

Im.not a judge dude.
U can exchange meaningless political labeling here.
General chat is not for that kind of topics.

Now enjoy

Ba bye

[long badge]

Ok im sorry but i have to say salam alaikum

Ok😁

[whole beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/saladin-hello-saladin-salam-saladin-hello-chat-gif-14580963161592783410

[fervent marlin]

He stopped both of u and didnt mute anyone, pretty fair in my eyes.

[whole beacon]

😮‍💨

Useless

Efforts

[long badge]

😁

[whole beacon]

Just like Islamophobia

Heheheheh

[long badge]

I am not rasict

[whole beacon]

Now lemme ban u both

[long badge]

Why

Ill not talk

[whole beacon]

Wuuhahahahahahhaahahahah
dictator

[long badge]

.

[whole beacon]

Not u sir
Ur cool

[long badge]

Ok😁brother

[whole beacon]

@late ravine u agree
Do u , do u ???

https://tenor.com/view/boring-unimpressed-meh-really-seriously-gif-16279809

@late ravine : im Islamophobic

I believe those were ur words , right?

Yeah lol 😂😂😂😂

Ur funny

Istg

Lmao

Try saying that in a court

Lmaaaaaooo

Now bye bye

Okay we need to stop. We ruined serious-chat

#stop-yapping
MOVEMENT

is recruiting

[thorny steeple]

if i boost here, can i turn on the webcam?

[manic juniper]

Throwback to when someone called me the N word here and nothing happened

I think the message is still up

[sonic lion]

But implies it, shows the potential of it

And why would you even say that wtf

[feral river]

I do value people based on race, religion and political affiliation, but it doesn’t mean I discriminate them

[sonic lion]

On race?

Bruh

[manic juniper]

I would too if they were real but unfortunately I'm an empiricist

https://tenor.com/view/toystory-buzz-buzzlightyear-academy-training-gif-7910531

[sonic lion]

I’m a post-modernist, I doubt even my own doubt

[feral river]

Yeah even on appearance not only race

[sonic lion]

Why? 😭

[feral river]

I will absolutely have no interest to get along with a person who dressing like a shit with a stinky smell

Or maybe he’s brown with a strange smell

I respect him, but definitely not going to get along with him

Race and ethnicity is important for me but it doesn’t make me a racist

[sonic lion]

Do you even realize people usually don’t have the resources for hygiene?

Turning people abject for it it’s so vitriolic

[feral river]

I realize people are poor as freaking ass and I want them get the fuck off of my way

[sonic lion]

Yeah, it does. The fact you don’t even realize this doesn’t surprise me

[feral river]

It’s simply like or not like, I don’t need to think about their innocence

And I don’t need their innocence

[sonic lion]

Being brown as you mentioned is independent of their resources as well

[thorny steeple]

good morning

[feral river]

Yeah if he dresses well, a suit with perfume and no sticky skin smells that’s all good

Even he’s brown

[sonic lion]

Do you think people are in this earth to satisfy your senses?People deserve respect regardless of how well they dress

God, I’m too old to even explain myself

Say whatever the fuck you want

[feral river]

They fight for what they deserve

[sonic lion]

I shouldn’t expect morality on discord

[feral river]

That’s my point.

Survival for the fittest

[sonic lion]

Which means?

[sonic lion]

Even 😭

I’m over it

I’m not arguing with racist ppl anymore

[feral river]

I’m not racist lmao I clear told you I can respect them but the premise is they don’t dress like shit and smell terrible

That’s not the way you shows your side of respect to me with that shitty face and smell

Or you drop your wallet on my head I will think twice

[sonic lion]

"Even if they’re brown" you don’t even realize the things you say, it’s stupid

[feral river]

I said that, pretty clear isn’t it ?

Don’t you have a favorite color ?

[sonic lion]

Oh. My. God.

[feral river]

Do you need any reason to demonstrate which color is in your favor lmao ?

That’s my personal liberty my freedom

[sonic lion]

Valuing people more or less based on their color

What do you call that?

[feral river]

That’s not discrimination

[sonic lion]

I cant even curse here

[feral river]

I don’t discriminate based on color that’s racism

[sonic lion]

It’s preference 😍

That’s fcking dehumanizing

[feral river]

Lmao pick a favorable color is dehumanizing

Typical leftist

[sonic lion]

Typical illiterate who can’t even analyze their own text. What you say holds meaning and you’re either playing dumb or the roots of your racism are so deep you can’t even be ashamed of it

[feral river]

I see you don’t have any practical experience of valuing a person, or lack of it

[sonic lion]

How the fuck can someone play this dumb

[feral river]

But I see a lot of people, white, yellow, brown and black, I respect them but it doesn’t mean I will value them on the same stage

You will never see a brown guy is on my table who eat with me

[sonic lion]

Based on your requirements the perfect man is Hannibal Lecter

[sonic lion]

Okay, enough

I don’t even care

It’s just a little scary how unashamedly you say those things

[feral river]

I was unashamed and I clearly know what’s the boundary between racism against certain people and valuing people based on certain factors

I can value them as anything I want, that’s my freedom, and none of your business

But it doesn’t mean that I will say I support white supremacy or having racist propaganda, I don’t support racism

[sonic lion]

You’re right, it’s none of my business

[feral river]

Don’t fucking judge my right to have my personal choice

[sonic lion]

Okay sorry mr Trump

Pls don’t deport me

[lament forge]

lmao

[ivory hawk]

that’s real

I live in asia rn and i get bullied by chin chons bc of my natural hair color sometimes

[quaint dune]

https://tenor.com/view/bjorn-ironside-vikings-bjorn-gif-18870859

[thorny steeple]

hello

[manic juniper]

Not Gold

[quaint dune]

Oletko suomesta?

[manic juniper]

Jep

[quaint dune]

hyvä tietää

[manic juniper]

Miksi se on hyvä?

[quaint dune]

Täällä on vaikea löytää ihmisiä pohjoisesta

[manic juniper]

Totta, aiemmin oli tanskalainen (based)

[quaint dune]

vitun tanskalainen 😂😂

[manic juniper]

Keskiverto ruotsalainen

[quaint dune]

Kyllä olen

[fervent marlin]

#1006555275152588901

[manic juniper]

Lol the chimp should be Icelandic (no offence Icebros)

[quaint dune]

Calm down dude

[fervent marlin]

im calm uwu

[manic juniper]

[quaint dune]

For real ahauahhahaha

[quaint dune]

[sonic lion]

Finland is the hardest one

that fucking language

whatever is called

[quaint dune]

100%

Sometimes I think I'm writing this shit wrong

[sonic lion]

lol

[quaint dune]

But when I speak, I am sure

[sonic lion]

is it real chat

why the f they write it like that

[quaint dune]

💗

[quaint dune]

(the most important: mock the Danes)

[sonic lion]

Didn’t mention the jantelagen

[manic juniper]

Not an Indo-European language 🦾👽

[sonic lion]

Are swedish ppl actually humble

[sonic lion]

I don’t even know the roots

[manic juniper]

It's Uralic

[sonic lion]

But it looks appealing to learn something different

[sonic lion]

Wow

Never heard of it

[manic juniper]

There are only 3 countries with Uralic languages

As national languages

Then the rest are minority languages elsewhere

[sonic lion]

Just saw on wikipedia

[quaint dune]

How do you know about that?

[sonic lion]

Hungarian is uralic

That’s very difficult

[manic juniper]

Yes it belongs to the Ugric branch

Finnish and Estonian belong to the Finnic branch

[sonic lion]

I was learning swedish some time ago

I stoped to get better at german

[manic juniper]

Sámi languages belong to the Samic branch (based)

[sonic lion]

But I love the language, really want to be fluent

[sonic lion]

Estonia seems like a good place to visit

[manic juniper]

How tf is Norwegian a separate language meanwhile Ostrobothnian Swedish is considered a dialect of Swedish

[sonic lion]

Something gothic about it

[quaint dune]

Ohh and how it was?

[manic juniper]

Can't recommend enough

[quaint dune]

https://tenor.com/view/bjorn-ironside-vikings-bjorn-gif-18851554

[manic juniper]

1. Det slog mej igår när jag var på föräldramöte till förskolan

2. Det slo meg i går da jeg var på foreldremøte for førskolen

3. E slåo me igoår tå ja va åp föräldramyöt ti fööskåolan

Pain

[sonic lion]

Honestly, the structure is so similar to english, it made me happy
Plus, I love rhythm of the language. It’s like singing a song, and maybe it’s my imagination but there’s something so icy about it

It’s like there’s melting ice in your lips as you talk

And I love the weather there

[manic juniper]

True, that rhythm almost seems to be missing in Danish and Norwegian

[quaint dune]

😂😂

[quaint dune]

Fr

[sonic lion]

Norwegian also very rhythmic

[manic juniper]

Ostrobothnian Swedish is a caveman language just like Finnish

[quaint dune]

Danish does not deserve to have its own language

[manic juniper]

It chose not to evolve

[sonic lion]

It’s nice to know that getting fluent in swedish basically comes with norwegian as a combo

I heard they’re pretty similar

[quaint dune]

Yes

[manic juniper]

Yes I sent a text in Swedish and Norwegian earlier

And Ostrobothnian Swedish
And it's supposed to be a dialect

[quaint dune]

They copied us

[sonic lion]

Lol

[quaint dune]

[sonic lion]

Hope you guys have good literature

‘Cause I want to learn it

Well, you have good cinema with Bergman

[quaint dune]

I hope you go back to studying swedish

[sonic lion]

I will

[quaint dune]

The best Nordic language

[sonic lion]

That’s why I need book recs

[quaint dune]

Good

[feral river]

sometimes I don't know why you guys studying some language that most people do not speak

[sonic lion]

I should read nordic myth

[feral river]

is it fun ?

[quaint dune]

Yes

And knowledge

[sonic lion]

I want to learn even dead languages

[feral river]

well cool

[quaint dune]

Old Nordic is a good one

[feral river]

but I will learn some language that will bring extra benefit for me

[sonic lion]

Not only fun, it’s beautiful culture knowledge

[feral river]

and those are most popular languages in the world

[manic juniper]

Idk when they made our Constitution there were 20% Swedish speakers, it made sense back then

Now they are 4% so it makes less sense

[sonic lion]

I think french and german are the best options then

[quaint dune]

swedish is the best one

[quaint dune]

German is so difficult

damn I can't learn that shit