🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

👍🏻

[opal fox]

@fallen summit should we?

[fallen summit]

Send me the link please

uwu

[void arch]

so is hijab as a style of wearing is a deff things or not???

[formal pilot]

I wish you said this 15 minutes earlier lol

[manic juniper]

Let me check if it didn't expire

[fallen summit]

I'll google it

[manic juniper]

Wait I don't think I'm allowed to send the invite here

[void arch]

imagine were isis looking for some kind of shit

[manic juniper]

But it's a public server so you can join it on disboard

[void arch]

so is hijab as a style of wearing is a deff things or not???

[manic juniper]

Fuck it I'll break the rules
z4YJnNWWdZ

[void arch]

answer me

[fallen summit]

Np np I found it

[void arch]

be consistent

[manic juniper]

It's different but the nature is the same, two millions people from another religion should get their church. We have less than 2000 Jews in my country yet we have one or two synagogues

[dense agate]

@feral river this should be our new hangout place

[manic juniper]

I think that two millions Christians should be allowed to get a church, right? They are many

[dense agate]

i hope it's more interesting that healslut

[void arch]

i see

[feral river]

the answer contained or involved the state secret of the Democratic People's Republic of 652Federation which will be prohibited to articulate, display according to the Anti-Terrorism Act.

[dense agate]

wow the server's title is so misleading

[feral river]

femboy 1st

[dense agate]

they're not actual femboys :(

we've been baited

[dapper laurel]

However, Columbus is ONLY Italian, end of story.

[void arch]

he's Moroccan

[dapper laurel]

The Spanish are trying to claim the only relevant figure in their entire history

[manic juniper]

If he was Finnish I wouldn't be proud of him ☠️ he was too cruel even for the people that put him in power

[fallen summit]

What do you think?

[dapper laurel]

We are about to give them a new national hero 🤷🏼

[manic juniper]

It could work

[dense agate]

they arleady say in the rules they don't endorse LGBT

[dapper laurel]

Ik, but he heavily changed the history of the world

[formal pilot]

💀💀💀

[manic juniper]

On the other hand I have a link to a real gay Turkish server

[dense agate]

what are you waiting for ????

[feral river]

pretty starightforward right ?

[dapper laurel]

Send

[formal pilot]

As straight as Taliban

[dense agate]

philip 2 ?????

[manic juniper]

I have it on my other profile, once I'm done playing on my laptop I'll share it

[dapper laurel]

Columbus

[manic juniper]

Do you have open DMs? I'll send it later

[fallen summit]

XDD I just wanted to troll xd

[feral river]

yeah that's a secret basically

[dense agate]

i meant that there are other relevant characters in spanish history

[feral river]

[dense agate]

yes i do

[dapper laurel]

Naaaaaaaaaaah, not really

[formal pilot]

[manic juniper]

Cortéz

[dapper laurel]

Also Trajan was Italian

[formal pilot]

I've spare 3500 sqft plot, what should I do with it

[void arch]

the great era of Spain is when muslims ruled it

go visite it

[dense agate]

how about you try ||healsluts || , i joined there years ago to troll and ended up being traumatized

[void arch]

and see the civilization

[dapper laurel]

Lol

[void arch]

u ll be astonished

by the buildings

[dense agate]

si si, remind me which colony italy had in the Americas ? oh my bad there was no italy yet

[manic juniper]

Don't they have just the Alhambra?

[dapper laurel]

We literally discovered America, soooooooo

[void arch]

go to qortoba

to echbilia

[dense agate]

what's the point of discovering it if you got nothing from it ?

[void arch]

all Andalusia

[feral river]

that's western Italy

United States of Western Italy

[void arch]

ull find literary the scientists lived in those building

[dense agate]

andalusia be like

[void arch]

hahha

8 century of peace no oppresion to accept islam

no genocide

[dapper laurel]

That without us the Spanish would have been left cultivating useless plantations in a semi-desert territory. Unfortunately our geographical position does not allow us an outlet to the Atlantic, we weren't lucky from this point of view

[void arch]

only prosperity

[formal pilot]

Na indigenous discovered it

[dapper laurel]

Right

[void arch]

u know what did spain they murdered their own citizens

that accept islam

and didnt want to leave it

[dapper laurel]

Aaah bro, you know me really well

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's common in many religion

[void arch]

accept islam

prove me wrong

[formal pilot]

What's the punishment for leaving islam?

[void arch]

do u know how and from who it is applicated , enlight me pls

[dense agate]

1 way ticket to your new god

[manic juniper]

Nope, Laurasia and Gondwana were discovered by sauropsids

[formal pilot]

I didn't understand your question, frame it differently I'm bad at English

[dapper laurel]

This looks like a meme from the 4chan

[formal pilot]

Sauropsids got some sauce

[dense agate]

you'd probably find it there, but i found it elsewhere

[manic juniper]

South America was first discovered by reptiles and marsupials

[dapper laurel]

Tiktok?

[manic juniper]

North America had placentals and reptiles instead

More like "Wait, this thing isn't Gondwana anymore"

[dense agate]

astaghfirulah no, wp friends groupchats

i don't think i have one for italy though but there is one for france

[manic juniper]

Our country is controlled by Finland Swedes

[dapper laurel]

I have this one about Italy

[formal pilot]

I asked you what's the punishment for leaving islam, you're sending me links lol

[dense agate]

i've sent this one before lel, it's accurate

[formal pilot]

Please explain me

[manic juniper]

They have been controlling Finland since Russia made it autonomous

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, literally me!

[dapper laurel]

I mean, this is accurate because Indian and Pakistani immigration heavily targeted these countries

However, there are some differences in the phenotype of native populations

[void arch]

https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/الردة_في_الإسلام @formal pilot

translated

[dense agate]

that's where their workers come from, Pakistanis can be very similar to Arabs when it comes to looks, to some extent at least

[void arch]

in islam no one is superior over another from race to color

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, that's true for Pakistanis, but Indians and Bangladeshi are darker

[manic juniper]

He asked about apostasy, not differences in appearance

[void arch]

i responded to the other guy alr ... and that comnt was directed to saimon and ando

[formal pilot]

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3017

[manic juniper]

Do you know if the Qur'an itself says anything like that?

Feels like the Qur'an has next to no regulations or laws by itself without the hadiths

[void arch]

did u understand apostasy well???

to jump to another topic??

[formal pilot]

Nope it's not in quran, but you can find plenty of Hadiths

[void arch]

both are important and both are not inter contradiction

[manic juniper]

Yes I know that both are important, but I've also heard from Islamic scholars that hadiths are likely to be a forgery

[formal pilot]

Lmao you don't even know how tafseer works then, If you're saying both are not inter contradiction

[void arch]

give me authentic sources and the explanation of it from our sources

[formal pilot]

Sahi bukhari 3017

[void arch]

there are 5 types of ahadiths ,,, i dont have time to educate u

[formal pilot]

Sunnah.com is trusted source lol

[void arch]

expliantion of it

?

[manic juniper]

I don't think you know more than an Islamic scholar, I have listened to Joshua Little on them and he thinks there aren't really any objective standards that separate "authentic" from inauthentic hadiths

[formal pilot]

Are you referring to Major books??
Because types of Hadiths are more than 5 lol

[void arch]

the true " sahih "ahadith dont contradict the quraan

[manic juniper]

https://youtu.be/Bz4vMUUxhag

[formal pilot]

I literally send you the link

[void arch]

there more but are classified under the 5 lol

[feral river]

I thought you would say British Raj

[void arch]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[feral river]

Or Italian Raj ?

[formal pilot]

Wth when did that happened

[manic juniper]

Maybe he's referring to the major collections or something

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/that-one-gerry-dee-family-feud-canada-the-one-over-there-that's-the-one-gif-3404663877012241976

[formal pilot]

Yeah he might be referring to books (authors)

[void arch]

before to jump to that did u read what i sent ... it clarify how and when and from who it is applicated ...

[formal pilot]

It's about quarn, I sent you about hadiths lol

[void arch]

The following are the five basic categorisations of Hadith:
According to Reference to a Particular Authority.
According to the Links of Isnad (Sequence of Reporters)
According to the Number of Reporters.
According to Nature of Matn and Isnad.
According to Authenticity of Correspondents.

educate urself

a whole science ppl spend their life literary in it

ik what im talking about

[void arch]

did u undersatnd that well

did u read all of it

bcz thats how muslims and authentic scholars and globally understand it and interpreted these texts so dont send me these texts without their explanations

[formal pilot]

Lmao

These aren't the type of Hadiths

[manic juniper]

If someone says "Kill Obama if he wears tan clothes" is it up to interpretation?

[void arch]

categories = types

[void arch]

https://www.islam.org.uk/hadith/types-of-hadith/

read that ignorant

pls i dont have time for the bullshit of the bible

unpreseved and inauthentic text

[formal pilot]

Please educate yourself
Sahi hasan daef maqlub etc etc are considered as types of Hadiths

You're saying the categories

[formal pilot]

Common I've definitely read Qur'an in more detail than you

[void arch]

they are classified according to this categories

[formal pilot]

We were talking about types

[void arch]

ask father of ur near church

[formal pilot]

This argument is not that strong lol, back then it was way of life

[void arch]

bro check this ull understand betterhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categories_of_Hadith

[manic juniper]

The thing is it's not really a good standard for a supposedly eternal law and standards, at the same time I don't think it's true because historians don't think it is, and likely was a forgery

It being s forgery would make hadiths unreliable though

[formal pilot]

If someone asks you about the type of Hadiths
You say it's sahi Hadiths
Or do you say it's according to the links of isnad

[shy summit]

Neither of the bible nor the Quran are reliable historical documents

[manic juniper]

Shi'as did the same with Fatima, claiming she was 6-9 when she married and stuff just to claim that the purity of her heart brought her to Islam

[feral river]

Are they even historical ?

[shy summit]

Nope

[feral river]

I don’t think that’s even historical

[manic juniper]

Hadiths themselves are unreliable about the Qur'an

They don't coincide well

[shy summit]

The Qur’an itself contains many empirical mistakes.

Yes

[void arch]

and what was before 2 C ... dead scrolls arent accepted by the Jewish scholars they rely on traditional speech

[manic juniper]

There could be some historic events in the first three gospels and some parts of the Qur'an but they are greatly exaggerated

[formal pilot]

Sir there's diffrence between categories and type ffs

[shy summit]

This

[feral river]

I don’t think if you cite something happened in the past that makes you historical

[shy summit]

True

[feral river]

I cite everything do I make myself like a god ?

[manic juniper]

For example all the events the Qur'an describes have no historical evidence recorded, instead what seems more likely is that a generic, monotheistic revival movement started in Arabia (mostly headed by Jews, Christian Arabs, and generic monotheistic Arabs) that was more secular in nature and attacked Persians and Romans

[void arch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categories_of_Hadith read it ull understand the types of hadith is based on that categories

[formal pilot]

Whaaaatttt
Elaborate

[feral river]

Banned

Lol

[manic juniper]

Even the presence of idols in the cube is disputed... There is more evidence for a monotheistic cult in Mecca at the same point in time

[feral river]

I would it’s good to ban some nonsense for us no literal benefit to anyone

[void arch]

u bring out dead sea scroll,, when U admit that why u rely on them to write ur bible ??????

[shy summit]

Not completely true but underdtandable

[formal pilot]

Yeah I was talking about types now we're on same page
And you said there are 5 types of Hadiths, in reality there are 5 types of category

And 10s of types

You said there are only 5 types of Hadiths @void arch

[feral river]

Well based on a pragmatist view that make sense but it may against something like freedom of religion or civil liberty

[manic juniper]

Watch the video I sent with Joshua Little, I don't recall if he specifically elaborates Aisha's age but the way it was described in the hadiths it was part of an anti-Shia propaganda campaign, as Sunnis and Shi'as were diverging more and more and they started producing their own hadiths to discredit one or the other, or brag about things such as Aisha's age for Sunni, and Fatima's age for Shia

[feral river]

But do we looks care about civil liberties?

[void arch]

i proved that in the link

[feral river]

I don’t think so

Don’t play the character you can’t hold on

[formal pilot]

Presence of idols aren't disputed lol, it's accepted by most of the scholars

[void arch]

bro free me pls

from this bullshit

[formal pilot]

You said there are 5 types of Hadiths

[feral river]

Do u have a gun ?

[shy summit]

Hey too far

[feral river]

Own a gun and you will feel something different

I promise you

[formal pilot]

Aight I'll give it a crack, i might start reading shia hadiths yk, I'm not familiar with that side

[manic juniper]

That was true until the fourth century, seems like it kept shifting to monotheism after it and there were various monotheistic kingdoms and rulers such as these:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraha

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himyarite_Kingdom
Or these

If you pay attention to how Islam is described in the Qur'an, it was a generic movement that would include all monotheists rather than a strict set of practices that are associated to it today

[shy summit]

^

[formal pilot]

@void arch chatting here can be overwhelming sometimes, do not take anything seriously lol we all are here to learn

[formal pilot]

Gimme me a moment to read

[manic juniper]

I think scholars too have doubts on Islam being the name of the religion, or Muslims being the name of its subscribers. There are foreigners that describe them as "hagarites"

[feral river]

No idea that you guys really use their narrative to against themselves

I would like to use some basic philosophy

[void arch]

this the day of am alfile when this kingdom wanted to destroy the kabba in that day the prophet Mohamed peace and blessings be upon him borned

[manic juniper]

Also the oldest evidence of Islam specifically isn't the cube but it's the dome of rock, that's in Jerusalem right? It's in the Northwest, exactly where the Arabs (and probably Jews allied to them) first attacked the Romans and Persians

It's the first inscription where Islam is mentioned

[feral river]

religion is people’s opium - Karl Marx

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's in Jerusalem

Al aqsa i think

[void arch]

u r source and lou are missed up just bullshit ur hearing islam form the wrong side

[formal pilot]

Mecca was the silicon valley back then, it was economy hub

[manic juniper]

There are doubts even about that

[void arch]

yh believe me bro

[manic juniper]

In fact the first documented invasions took place near Jerusalem, which makes more sense as an important trade hub compared to southern Arabia that instead saw less valuable and important goods back then

[whole beacon]

I thought ur not a communist !!!

[whole beacon]

Back then
Which period exactly ?

[void arch]

u can understand arabic

[manic juniper]

Sixth and seventh centuries

The time when Arabs started leaking outside of their peninsula

[formal pilot]

Lil bit only, my mum can understand tho

[void arch]

wrong llink

wait

[formal pilot]

Lemme check the timelines

[whole beacon]

Well macca was a major trade center back then.
It connected the Ethiopien kingdom and other subarab tribes with the rest of the world,( the silk road)

[thorny steeple]

Why so serious

[void arch]

https://illusionsecularism.blogspot.com/ this will help u if really searching for the truth , the Muslim lantern is a good chanel too

[formal pilot]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

It was primarily trade hub it was also in the routes of caravan

[void arch]

u make my work easier

thanks

[manic juniper]

There are some scholars that doubt it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meccan_Trade_and_the_Rise_of_Islam
Like, yes, it was a trade centre but it wasn't as important as Jerusalem

Ultimately I feel like the truth is somewhat in the middle, because some of them are too revisionist in the wrong way

[void arch]

good night guys

[whole beacon]

Quraich tribe used to receive tributes and valuable goods , in exchange for protecting foreign convoys. So think of macca as wat is today the sueiz canal

The jugular vain of the world

[formal pilot]

Jerusalem was only important for Christians only

[formal pilot]

Yeah dude I'd love to learn more

[shy summit]

Lmfao wut

[formal pilot]

At that time around 570 CE

[shy summit]

Ah

[manic juniper]

Not important in the religious sense but as a trade hub, since the Romans controlled it

[formal pilot]

Byzantine Empire to be precise lol

[whole beacon]

I would hardly say it was antioch
Not Jerusalem

Antioch had access to naval ports

[manic juniper]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Distribution-of-Alexandrian-coins-in-CHRE-database-by-ndspot_fig4_361861954
Look here, there are a lot of maps with Roman coins. How come most of them are concentrated around Jerusalem and very few are in southern Arabia? Even India has more of them

[formal pilot]

They made Christianity the official religion of that region

[whole beacon]

U can say romans.
Its the same

[manic juniper]

Edict of Thessalonica, in 380

4th century

[whole beacon]

Ehm, since when gaul and Iberia belonged to the romans, around the 6th century

confused

[manic juniper]

That's a map of places where they found Roman coins

[whole beacon]

Yeah and ?

[manic juniper]

There aren't many in southern Arabia. How can that be an important hub?

Imagine if Singapore was a poor country despite being used as a dock for countless companies and other countries

[formal pilot]

Yeah ik but the time gap between em is huge lol

[whole beacon]

Byzantine empire is eastern romn empire

Western collapsed during the 4th century

[formal pilot]

Yeah and estern lasted till 1400

Anyway mecca was trade hub

[manic juniper]

But where coins

[formal pilot]

Goddammmmit lemme Google it

[whole beacon]

Idk why are we drawing comparisons here,
Each city served a purpose,
And it was as important as all others.
Macca was the trade center of the arabian peninsula, as sea routes were dangerous.

[manic juniper]

I'm not saying Mecca wasn't one, I'm just questioning its importance

Compared to the Levant

[whole beacon]

The levant is of absolute utter importance, obviously

Like duuûh

[manic juniper]

Because historians are questioning how much of the Qur'an is historical

[whole beacon]

Historical?

[manic juniper]

Yes, as in "actually happened or at least was similar to it"

[whole beacon]

Idk wat ur referencing exactly !

Can u elaborate

[manic juniper]

Earlier I said that there is conflicting evidence between what is written on the Qur'an and especially the hadiths versus how it likely was back then, especially on the hadiths since they appear in written form a century or two later

[shy summit]

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran

This one’s better

[manic juniper]

And scholars such as Joshua Little doubt that they were authentic at all, and likely were a forgery

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahmanan
@formal pilot here is another one

[whole beacon]

Ooh
Well
Wat a bummer

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhu_Nuwas
Jewish ruler in Yemen in the sixth century

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-asian-studies/article/rahman-before-muhammad-a-prehistory-of-the-first-peace-sulh-in-islam/280B60BFF68749648057202B29C7C8F0
Interesting

[formal pilot]

It was the major city connecting Yemen and Levant

That's why it was important

And i found Solidus was in circulation

[manic juniper]

It was for sure but in what quantities? I mean we had Roman coins in Finland too, a literal backwater shithole no one cared about for sure

[formal pilot]

This is map for Alexandrian coin

[manic juniper]

Yes, there is a site with interactive maps but it doesn't work on my phone, I think it has more options

[formal pilot]

Yeah I'm trying to find the circulation map

[manic juniper]

https://chre.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/
How tf does this work

[somber bramble]

hey guys, what are you talking about

[dense agate]

mecca is completely skipped

[gentle notch]

thinking about life how about u?

[formal pilot]

Why my map in empty on website 💀

[dense agate]

it worked for me after moving the timeline

[formal pilot]

Importance of mecca and jerusalem during Roman Empire

[dapper laurel]

ROMAN

EMPIRE

[manic juniper]

The way I see it, it wasn't Islam but a generic monotheistic movement

[dapper laurel]

Someone mentioned the Roman Empire

[manic juniper]

And it only cemented as Islam slowly over time

[dapper laurel]

We, the latins (romanz)

[dense agate]

yes, and they're being attacked by the first Carthaginian fleet

[formal pilot]

Not working for me, it might be racist towards me yk

Goddammmmit that's a really good website

@manic juniper thanks for sharing it

[manic juniper]

What happened

I thought I was banned for a moment

[manic juniper]

You're welcome, I find the murky history of that place more interesting now

[dense agate]

duuude

[dense agate]

same thing

[manic juniper]

Discord hiccuped

[dense agate]

i thought they found all the instances of me using the R word

[dapper laurel]

Same

[manic juniper]

This is my good gal account, it can't be banned

[dapper laurel]

We're deporting them to Albania btw

[dense agate]

we all gotta let the unhinged part out from time to time

[dapper laurel]

Well...

[dense agate]

i've heard about that, can't wait to see what happens

[iron copper]

hello

[manic juniper]

We are all under their watch

[dense agate]

i already got my last warning from discord, i can't mess up again

[dapper laurel]

If I get banned I will create another account and get here

[dense agate]

did anyone here ever get a timeout on this server ?

apparently if you write some certain words you trigger a 1 hour timeout

[manic juniper]

N'wah

There I said it
Let's see what the consequences are

[dapper laurel]

I have no experience in this, but I got banned from the other famous English server

Cuz they were insulting me and I replied with harder insults

[magic olive]

https://tenor.com/view/server-dead-discord-chat-public-gif-1953792179152839589

[dense agate]

i literally got timed out for an hour for saying "p*ssy nemesis is talking" in a VC's text chat, that was literally his name

[manic juniper]

This profile wasn't even warned, ever

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/alarm-breaking-glass-fire-small-hammer-gif-5438843

how it feels to go to that word

[dense agate]

you can get warned by simply being in bad servers

[dapper laurel]

I have used it a few times in my life

I use it mainly in real life with friends

[manic juniper]

Yes, it happened to me with my other profile

[dapper laurel]

It's the way we call each other

[manic juniper]

I got warned for infiltrating fascist servers even though I never texted there

[dense agate]

i used to do that sometimes as a teen, but then i'd say it and coincidently a black person is passing by and it's just awkward

[keen urchin]

Nobody don't wants serious!

[dense agate]

collective punishment.
now they got rid of all the good meme servers just because they can get edgy.

the things i'd do to be on SsethTzeentach's discord

[formal pilot]

How often do you guys have suger

[dapper laurel]

Well, I'm in my teens, so I'll enjoy that a little more

[dense agate]

today's the youngest you'll ever be, enjoy

[dapper laurel]

Thanks mate

[lethal sparrow]

what did you do lmao

[lethal sparrow]

rarely. i try to avoid it except for ice cream and chocolate.

[thorny steeple]

Watching this whole video was 20 minutes worth of time waste. He discussed legitimate issues in a comparative manner between Islam and Christianity, such as the infallibility of Jesus, whether Jesus is a prophet or not, Jesus's miraculous birth, whether babies are born sinners, etc. At the end the YouTuber is claiming that Muhammad Ali does not talk to anyone other than women in his videos, which is absolutely false. Most of his videos show him talking with men, not women.

Muhammad Ali is a very focused person. He does not like interruption and prefers tackling one topic at a time. So, he would naturally disregard that Nigerian Christian who is constantly shouting, making a noise, interrupting, and being rhetorical.

I'm really frustrated by the time I wasted on this video, thinking that there was any point in it at all.

[burnt loom]

hello everone , I have a question for past continous

question-answers = "As , While , When" linkers
Which sentences is true

1- When I was watching TV , bell immediately rang

2-When bell rang , I was watching TV

3-While I was watching TV , bell immediately rang

4- While bell rang , I was watching TV

5- As I was watching TV, bell immediately rang

6- As bell rang , I was watching TV.

7- When I was talking about the topic, you were watching TV.

pls Write these sentences' number which is true.

I believe that 2-3-5 (edited) numbers sentences is true. professional person write pls.

[somber bramble]

haha

[thorny steeple]

Not sure buddy but I guess, 2 and 7,

I think sentence 2 ("When the bell rang, I was watching TV") is correct because "When the bell rang" indicates a specific event happening (simple past)(?) while "I was watching TV" describes an ongoing action (past continuous). This structure is commonly used to show that the event occurred in the middle of the ongoing action...

Sentence 7 ("When I was talking about the topic, you were watchng TV.. ") is also correct because it uses the past continuous for both actions. This structure indicates that both actions were happening simultaneously over a period of time

[burnt loom]

ı think that 2-3-5 true. I wrote false sorry

[burnt loom]

thank you for your explanation

I am too much pleasent you bro

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I would like to hear your answer. I'm not good at English 😅 I wanna learn why 😂

[burnt loom]

:d

[burnt loom]

actually , I inquire 'when' linker , whether or not we can use any continues tense after ' when' linker.

[thorny steeple]

But in 5 the construction does not clearly indicate the relationship between the two events; "when" would be more appropriate here?

[thorny steeple]

Also in the 3th sentence, "while" is used for ongoing actions and "rang" is a short, completed action. Wouldn't be the correct construction to describe two continuous actions?

[manic juniper]

@formal pilot is this proof of evolution?
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6847

[icy venture]

i need a adm or moderator please

we got a racist in B !

please help

[pastel ruin]

It was a comparison. He's not saying the black kid is from the camels. 😂

Point was just because you got many red camels, but then you also have 1 that is grey (it's most likely from his ancestors).

Some genes jump over.

Same thing with that black kid.

[manic juniper]

I didn't come to that conclusion, but:

1. The Bedouin was cucked
2. One of the Bedouin's or his wife's ancestors were black

The first option is funny

[pastel ruin]

Well, when I read it, it's just another example of how some genes jump over generation. That kid got it from his own ancestors.

Maybe his parents were asking since they were confused about the color (assuming they're lighter themselves).

[manic juniper]

One of his ancestors could be his true father as well

Maybe she cheated on him

[magic bridge]

Anyone have any Video ideas?

[pastel ruin]

Got no idea

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-jack-nicholson-yes-nod-gif-14306654

[feral river]

that make a lot of sense those stuff don't deserve any legitimacy because we don't use it

there's no any place besides Taliban Afghanistan is implementing the rule based on Quran

or ISIS operating areas ?

do you want to live in those places besides your Egypt which friendly with Israel ?

there's no possibility that you can ever use it or implement it by some movement like socialist movement, feminism movement, LGBT movement, you guys are nothing

or being recognized as terrorists, muslim ban, arrested by disturbing social order, spread propaganda for some shit ?

I bet west is doing its job to maintain their social order to completely eliminate Islamic social influence maybe it's not like us but they are working hard for it

[thorny steeple]

Third option.
3. He had unconfirmed suspicions about his wife's fidelity.

Non-Mendelian traits, such that of skin color, commonly result to such different variations within the same lineage.
Every species bears a variety of traits within its gene pool. Traits such as eye color might exist in different alleles, such as those for brown or blue. However, epigenetic marking can play a significant role in determining the apparent trait. Genes responsible for certain eye color can be methylated while another is demthylated, resulting in one allele being silenced while the other is expressed, which results to one eye color rather than the other.
Very similar to the agouti gene in mice.

[feral river]

don't blame it and pay your responsibility with your shit.

[manic juniper]

It's just number 2

[dense agate]

i'd like to think you just woke up and had an urge to go on a rampage about this

[feral river]

actually yes 🤣

you know me better than myself bro

[hidden marten]

What are you talking about?

[manic juniper]

If the Bedouin's wife cucked him or not

[thorny steeple]

2 and 3 are not mutually exclusive though.

[manic juniper]

They are not but 3 isn't really necessary, it's implied in 2

I want to be allowed

[thorny steeple]

I don't think it is. 3 is the point where he had unconfirmed suspicion. The rest is just somewhat of a biological explanation for how this phenomenon could occur without his wife cheating.

[manic juniper]

There is biology in the first two points

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321974394_Cuckoldry_Its_incidence_in_human_and_animal_population

[dense agate]

classic

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-cuck-adam22-gif-3408358286128451161

[manic juniper]

I didn't think of the camel being a parent of the child but the other user gave this suggestion, now I am considering it

The Eurasian bison and the cow are considered separate species
Yet the male of the former and the female of the latter can produce fertile offspring

It could be the same between humans and camels

[dense agate]

flashback to 1 guy 1 "hoofed mammal", spoiler alert, it doesn't work :/

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't be too sure about that

[dense agate]

i've seen so much shittalk about the new assassin's creed that i associate images like this with ubisoft, feelsbadman

[manic juniper]

Ubisoft wouldn't include it, it's too realistic

Maybe a six legged camel but not that

[dense agate]

i don't think anyone is drinking this camel's piss

@feral river

[thorny steeple]

Interesting. Lol. Then it's likely that many white people, especially those who have pinkish tint to their skin, could consider themselves being mixed offspring of pigs and humans.

I'm joking by the way.

[manic juniper]

Hm no humans created pigs, those people have naked mole-rats ancestors

And white people as a whole were created by Yakub

[dense agate]

lel you did not

https://tenor.com/view/sseth-ssethtzeentach-songs-of-syx-race-gif-12598496333821907031

[thorny steeple]

Weird. Many evolutionists believe that humans are more closely related to mice than they are to pigs.

[thorny steeple]

Lol.

[manic juniper]

Because we are, we are both Euarchontoglires

Humans are primates that are within Euarchonta, while mice are rodents within Glires, next to Lagomorpha (hares, rabbits and similar)

[thorny steeple]

We are also half bananas. Lol.
Just kidding.

[formal pilot]

Dayamm they knew it before mendel pea plant experiment, that's why it's the only true religion

Subhanallah

[formal pilot]

That's how you start a new religion 💀

[formal pilot]

Last night I did something crazy, I had whole pack of cookies it was 10 servings, I had it all. Total 60 gm of sugar

Also had ice cream in afternoon

It felt horrible ngl

Goddammmmit you need to control it

[manic juniper]

True, it almost happened twice I guess

Maybe the black child fell from the sky like the stone or something, he was the shooting star himself

[formal pilot]

Get some sleep, you're clearly high rn

They're making triceratops ugly

[charred sail]

what is that 😭

[dull breach]

Some people spent 6,000 RMB to buy a jacket out of vanity. The key is that he only earned 7,000 RMB a month.

[rustic current]

Text me guys

[muted lantern]

Hola

[feral river]

I doubt if you are trying to be a racist piece of shit ?

it's likely that many brown people, especially those who have brown tint to their skin, could consider themselves being mixed offspring of pigs and humans.

I give it back if you don't consider that's racism

and I'm joking as what you do actually

[prisma cipher]

Damn he's fat

[true lark]

Idk if they are racist or just grew up in a super racist place and don't know what's real

[feral river]

you repeated the same shit 3 times

[tepid raven]

who win bear or shark?

[prisma cipher]

Whyy he so obsessed with that story

he attacked his sister and got punished, I don’t understand what is to discuss here, the story has a beginning, development and "happy end"

[hidden marten]

Sadly some societies are very regressive for women.

[hidden marten]

You don’t see the problem here? He has no regret for his actions and the purpose of punishment is to rehabilitate

[prisma cipher]

I don't see problem here.

[hidden marten]

What do you think will happen when he comes out of jail after 8 months…. Do you think he won’t repeat the same thing again, when he has no regret over his actions?

Jail time isn’t enough for domestic abuse perpetrators, he needs intense cognitive behavior therapy. Also his activities should be watched after jail time.

Patriarchy is so deep rooted in their dogmatic minds that they want to control every action of women including what she wears, who she follows on social media, because women are treated as commodities and subservient to men.

[fierce grotto]

any mod here?

[hidden marten]

Unfortunately there’re some people some pseudo-scholars in same societies who use the name of religion to justify this abuse and condition the female brains to accept it by shaming them. Cause their dogmatism don’t let them have logical and critical thinking.

[thorny steeple]

#🛂｜report-help

[feral river]

I believe there was well-documented that you can’t abuse the punishment because of the existence of law to regulate a certain amount of time in jail

Then I don’t see you have power or you possibly have power to change the law or make a proposal about it

So that’s it

Or what you gonna do ? Disturb the social order, fight against the government? You know if you do that all you gonna face is tanks go through your body right ?

[hidden marten]

I think Iranian women are very strong and aware of their rights. They’ve showed the courage in past as we all have seen on social media how they protested against tyrant government for enforcing hijab despite the fact we don’t have access to their media but it became an international news.

[feral river]

I see, not bad and keep struggling to take down your government

You gained my support

I don’t see what benefit they could got for depriving your right to wear anything you want besides their Islamic law or some piece of shit

Yeah their Islamic law is piece of shit

[thorny steeple]

As in?

[viscid ferry]

what?

[hidden marten]

I’m not Iranian 🙂

But I support women everywhere in every part of world whether it is iran Afghanistan Africa anywhere…

[feral river]

Keep going for it 👍

People’s right should not be deprived for some stupid shit

[prisma cipher]

Anything can happen, or nothing can happen. The story doesn't say how badly he hit his sister. And getting 8 months for assault with possible mitigating circumstances sounds like a reasonable sentence.

[thorny steeple]

Food is a Human right After all

[hidden marten]

I think you didn’t read the text he posted. It was so descriptive and the question is who gave him this right to physically abuse someone?

[thorny steeple]

Indeed tough Jail it changes you

[prisma cipher]

Ok than

[thorny steeple]

She would ask you for 5/10 dollars 💵

[prisma cipher]

I just talk that sentence was reasonable, nothing more. Like he punch her he got punishment

[viscid ferry]

you think I have money?

[thorny steeple]

Same XD that's what that user is asking anyways

[thorny steeple]

English 101

[viscid ferry]

If they are doing this here They are asting their time.

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[viscid ferry]

You should stop asking for money here.

someone told me you asked

anyway nvm and leave this

i am a too lazy to prove it.

I love to spend time on things which I love not lazy there

You think you know me . No not at all you only know what you want to know.

[feral river]

兄弟 means bro

[thorny steeple]

兄弟 how's it going with the Chinese economy today

[feral river]

nothing much lol

[thorny steeple]

Cool lol

[clear meadow]

forcing hijab in islam is not allowed 🙏

thats not sharia

thats one of iran's L rules

[void arch]

its a sin , but noone can force u

[clear meadow]

yep

[feral river]

but it happened in a country that implemented Islamic laws

no matter what type of version of your Islam accepted

[thorny steeple]

Tbh it's actually forced from early times and nowadays also rather than peacefully accepting the thing by yourself !!

[clear meadow]

Flawed logic

[feral river]

that's not even a logic it's a statement with hard truth.

[clear meadow]

Iran is using Islam as an excuse for its authoritarian behavior

[feral river]

well you can say that lol

[clear meadow]

I just told u islam doesnt encourage forcing hijab or religion on anyone

and iran is known for its corruption and oppression

even before sharia was implemented

Mohammad Reza was also oppressing his people

[void arch]

give me a verse from the Quran or a hadith from the sunna that can be shown as a proof of ur claims?

anyway talking to none muslims about these topics is silly and not beneficial bcz they dont believe in God

these topics are just misunderstanding and misinterpretation

u can find thousands of replies that refute them with solid proofs

but they choose not to search and stay blind

[uneven elm]

what is the problem ?

[void arch]

nothing

[uneven elm]

si there is a problem

[void arch]

well it is not a prblm

[uneven elm]

then, what is the topic please ?

[feral river]

read my assertions again or you can just repeat it over here.

repeat my assertion over here @void arch

[void arch]

give proofs

[feral river]

repeat it now

what's my assertion ?

[hidden marten]

Did any of the scholars that you follow declared iran as an authoritarian state using name of Islam for evil purpose ?

[void arch]

they interpret quraan the way the want not according to sunna or teachings of the prophet ... they believe in deff things

[uneven elm]

why doesn't anyone want to reply to my message?

[void arch]

u didnt substantiate it

[hidden marten]

Ya but do they get any retaliation or criticism from Muslims scholars or any one country from 56 so called Muslim states and their scholars?

[void arch]

we re talking about hijab

[uneven elm]

i call back that your religion is between you and god

[uneven elm]

and so ?

[hidden marten]

Have any of your scholars who are so eager to bring fatwa on women have ever given a fatwa on iran ?

[void arch]

u want to wage wars ???

[hidden marten]

It’s called courage

[void arch]

they are making claim that islam force hijab on women according to iran

[hidden marten]

If your scholars don’t have courage to make a statement against evil practice then why do you follow them?

[feral river]

you are the freaking person tell me there's an assertion of mine and you can't point it out ?

what tf you are talking about

[void arch]

there are scholars show how they misinterpret the quraan or how Shia is not true islam

[blissful atlas]

What are you people talking about?

[uneven elm]

what does it mean "they are making calim"?

[feral river]

? are you just going to troll or have a problem here @void arch

are you just going to troll or have a problem here ?

what is my assertion ?

[void arch]

corrected

[feral river]

don't go away, what is my assertion ?

you said there's an assertion of mine that you said nothing about it ?

[void arch]

islam forces hijab

[feral river]

point it out

now

give me the statement that I ever said Islam forces Hijab

give me that shit right now or shut the fuck up

[uneven elm]

already, you need to know that the hijab no longer makes sense given the women who wear it. in the sense that, given their lack of dignity, I don't see the point.

[hidden marten]

No, I didn’t make this claim. I’m asking question why Muslim states don’t retaliate if it’s not Islam

[clear meadow]

I dont have information about that but iran is criticized by mostly everyone here

[feral river]

again, what's my assertion ?

[feral river]

I won't let you leave this

[feral river]

yeah repeat it now

repeat it and tell me how I have said islam forces hijab

[void arch]

they do

[hidden marten]

Here? Where ?

[clear meadow]

Arabia

[hidden marten]

Saudi Arab ?

[feral river]

come on you said I have said Islam forces hijab point it out right now

[clear meadow]

the arab countries too

[feral river]

or you are just a liar telling shit about me

you are making accusations of me

remember @void arch I won't leave you with this

point it out right now that I ever said a single word of Islam forces hijab

[uneven elm]

the topic is closed : already, you need to know that the hijab no longer makes sense given the women who wear it. in the sense that, given their lack of dignity, I don't see the point.

[void arch]

u point it out to that some states forces hijab according to the quraan .. and we reply by asking from u how can u proof that from quraan or sunna to show u that these states interpret islam the way it fits their interests and

[feral river]

what are you going ? @void arch

[hidden marten]

Dude the condition of women even in Arab countries are not so safe either. Just in 2010 MBS policies allowed them to drive a car. They still face problems filing divorce and domestic violence cases plus all you Arab countries keep fighting in the name of race a religion even with your own Muslim countries. Also they give no rights to labors and refugees

[feral river]

remember what you have said ? I made an assertion that Islam forces hijab

where is it.

where is that assertion ?

[void arch]

u point it out to it indirectly dont appeal to ignorance

[feral river]

okay okay now shut the fuck up if you know you are making false accusations

or I will report and see you in a ticket

[blissful atlas]

what are you guys even talking about?

[uneven elm]

if no one fights for these rights, i don't see how they can get them. the majority of women trivialize and accept the fact that their roles are limited to cooking and sex, so after a while there's nothing we can do for them.

[hidden marten]

Dude even men are oppressed in that dictatorship. Remember what MBS did to the journalist who exposed his corruption in Turkish embassy?

[manic juniper]

Someone here was praising Iran just because it's an enemy of USA

[void arch]

that policies was in SA alone so u cant say it was applicated on the whole islamic world .... the highest lvl of divorce and se6 assaults cases are in secular countries like inida . norway ,US

[thorny steeple]

Indeed I wonder who

Lol. Minecraft is one of the main causes of "instability" in this chat.

[feral river]

you are the top one causes of instability of this chat.

[void arch]

i fuck u up if repeat it u know !!!

[feral river]

top one

[hidden marten]

If the number of cases are not being reported due to dictatorship and patriarchy, it doesn’t mean that crimes are not happening.

[thorny steeple]

I know. I'm very controversial person. Lol.

[manic juniper]

I can't find it because I blocked the dude

It was few months ago

[blissful atlas]

Can someone just tell me what is this chat all about and what are you guys talking about ( 3rd era of asking)

[hidden marten]

Human rights

[thorny steeple]

And this is what makes the chat

[void arch]

so why ur making ur arg ???

[blissful atlas]

ohk this I can do share my views on this.

[thorny steeple]

Interesting 🤔

[feral river]

I appreciate ur self-known

[clear meadow]

That's not accurate. The justice system is fair to both women and men. The top 10 countries with the highest rates of domestic violence are predominantly Christian.

[hidden marten]

I’m not even making any claim, it’s you who said Saudi Arabia is safest country with lesser number of crimes.

Which is a lie

[clear meadow]

Because of his nonsensical takes

[void arch]

hahah u have done straw man fallacy U need to learn some basic logic .. i havent said that

[feral river]

yes I don't like some law specifically and I actually have no hate to any culture especially yours you can have it for free but don't enforce on anyone

and I respect you too no matter who you are

[prisma cipher]

and what's wrong with this logic?

[manic juniper]

That Nazi Germany too was an enemy of USA. Who tf likes a country just because it's opposed to another they don't like?

Especially when most Iranians themselves don't like it

[prisma cipher]

I thought we talk about Iran

[feral river]

that make sense actually for some people

but anyway they know what they are doing right ?

[hidden marten]

Do you understand there’re very less countries who have Christianity as state religion? Yes culturally I can understand but there’re no Christian countries like Muslim countries which are 56 in number with highest rates of crime and corruption even with dictatorship they can’t hide it. While on the other hand the majority of culturally Christian countries are actually democratic and secular

[prisma cipher]

How fast it switched to nazi

[manic juniper]

Yes, I made an example

[clear meadow]

You guys are only making assumptions based on stereotypes like wth, women can go to school, visit their friends and families, go out and work 🙏

[feral river]

well okay if they think they fit into it.

I don't give a shit that's their own business

out of jurisdiction

[thorny steeple]

Oh yeah. He makes the claim and claims it's the only truth. End of the discussion. Lol.
No argument, no proof, no evidence, no substantiation. It's just the truth, because he said so.

Easy to dismantle, but very lacking in intellectual merit, which is a level I'm not willing to descend to.

[void arch]

https://youtu.be/wloKwQx2KcA?si=zYBn_5HPObh7Jgkj

[feral river]

you are the one talking about nothing with truth but only bring your unreliable or unrecognized shit and say how I'm not telling the truth even more bad.

[manic juniper]

@supple harbor true?

[feral river]

why the heck I will consider a childish novel is reliable

or with your Islamic buddy talking about religion ? I don't care lol

[clear meadow]

what does state religion have anything to do with domestic violence? secular or not India, Mexico and South africa are all religious countries

[feral river]

you have such freedom to do so

[prisma cipher]

where did you get the information from?

[feral river]

and I have mine.

[pliant ore]

yo can someone read my essay please

[manic juniper]

Interviews, and no Iranian I ever talked to told me positive things on their government

[pliant ore]

its only 600 words

[clear meadow]

Are u iranian btw?

[thorny steeple]

Interesting are you in support of that government?

[feral river]

I have no idea with the state which not adopted with the separation of the state and religion

[manic juniper]

Case in point here, I can tag at least 3 Iranians that dislike it, and there must be more

[feral river]

that's just an ideology that they use to rule people nothing much

[prisma cipher]

I will say more, if this is true and the majority of Iranians do not support the government, but Iran helps us, I support Iran.

[hidden marten]

It has a lot to do. When there’s no separation between state and church the dictator can use religious scholars to get verdict in his favors using the name of religion. It has done in past with Roman Catholic states where church was very powerful. Different theocracies develop in such countries

[manic juniper]

No, I support the Parthians

[prisma cipher]

Iran cool

[pliant ore]

HEY GUYS CAN SOMEONE PLEASE READ MY ESSAY

[prisma cipher]

China cool

[pliant ore]

oops all caps

[manic juniper]

Ok, I didn't ask for this opinion

[prisma cipher]

North Korea awesome

[thorny steeple]

They still exist?

[manic juniper]

I don't think so, they were Scythians and those should be extinct

Scythians were akin to Mongols but for Iranic people

[thorny steeple]

Indeed but the DNA remains

[clear meadow]

So do u want me to only count countries with state religions?

[void arch]

DNA is nothing

[manic juniper]

Most of them didn't even live in Iran, unless that's where they moved before disappearing

[void arch]

u can have african portion in ur dna even if ur from norway

[prisma cipher]

@feral river do you understand Korean language?

[manic juniper]

Are the Iranian users here also western propaganda? Or the students I met at my university?

[thorny steeple]

Interesting 🤔

[hidden marten]

Ugh nevermind you didn’t get my point and the chat is completely lost now

[feral river]

only basic and I can read all of them

[prisma cipher]

I have met such people.

[feral river]

now I'm in South Korea so

[void arch]

guys u are just talking about stereotypes and narrations go and search about a proof for it before u throw them here

[clear meadow]

u switched the argument from domestic violence to people bribing out scholars for a verdict which doesnt happen in muslim countries 🙏 scholars arent popes

[void arch]

this is serious chat

[manic juniper]

Sure, I bet there are people out there that like a government that kills people just because they protest or not wear the hijab

[prisma cipher]

Is language any different between North and South? I mean they separate not so long to change language but it might be different like in China

[void arch]

claims without proofs ... empty words

[feral river]

Taliban Afghanistan, ISIS operating areas anywhere else ?

Iran ? idk

[manic juniper]

Iran

[feral river]

oh I guess Iran also doing that shit

[manic juniper]

ISIS turned into a terrorist organisation again rather than a political one

[feral river]

ISIS is always a TO

[dense agate]

Islamic Republic of Iran, the leader of the axis of resistance, whether you like it or hate it, it still remain a necessary state that fights US imperialism

[void arch]

i k places they arrest u just bcz ur doing peacful protest

[manic juniper]

Yes but there was a time when they also tried to make their own state

[feral river]

YOU FROM THE US DUDE

bomb the shit out here 🤣

they need some democracy

[dense agate]

assumptions, i never said so

[manic juniper]

Why do you keep mentioning the Shah? How is that relevant now? Also wtf USA influenced Iran to have naked women at beaches, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard

[feral river]

lol your steam currency revealed

I'm a network security agent

[manic juniper]

I'm sure that if Iran had naked women at the beaches the sanctions and the oppression would stop

[void arch]

hahah

[feral river]

actually they have that under US's puppet government

[dense agate]

i won't be as confident as you are

[manic juniper]

🐒

[hidden marten]

No I’m still in same point. The Christian countries you’re talking about are democratic and have religion for ceremonial purposes but in Muslim countries scholars use the name of religion to justify abuse on women because it’s an Islamic state

[void arch]

ok proofs pls

[hidden marten]

Proof of what ?

[dense agate]

Iran is a very progressive states, they've been allowing gender transitions from way back, i don't see this in countries in that region

[void arch]

of ur claims

[feral river]

I'm qualified to be a CIA agent

or FBI idk

[dense agate]

Iran 1 - 0 non iranian states

[feral river]

because I do exploit people

[void arch]

progression is that allowing gender transition ???

[hidden marten]

Wrong! Iranian people and society might be progressive but not the ruling government

[feral river]

and I do everything if you grant me enough funds

[hidden marten]

What’s my claim ?

[void arch]

so if the state is 100% gay would be 100% progressive

[dense agate]

le oui

[void arch]

nvm

[hidden marten]

You don’t know or you don’t wanna say ? Lol

[void arch]

usa is 58 % gay

thats why it is progressive

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[hidden marten]

Where does this statistic come from? Did you make it up ? If not please provide sources

[feral river]

glad that you guys talking Iran without us 😎

we are secretly selling some weapons to Iran

[void arch]

go to NY and ask ppl

[dense agate]

government is still balling, imagine a world without the Islamic Republic of Iran, and it's 2006 the year Lebanon got invaded by Israel.
without Iranian support, we would be having Israeli settlements in south Lebanon by now

[pliant ore]

can anyone help me with my essay?

[hidden marten]

Yeah my family lives in US

[feral river]

FUCK NICE

[dense agate]

[feral river]

btw South Lebanon ?

well that could be part of Israel

if they can

[dense agate]

are you planning to buy a home in Israeli settlements ?

[void arch]

they (isreal) occupy some land in south Lebanon according to UN

[feral river]

I heard they would give a free home if you settle in West Bank

so accelerating my process to study Judaism

[dense agate]

no, i have a friend from there, the houses are cheaper

[pliant ore]

can anyone help me with my essay?

[clear meadow]

Using religion as an excuse to do bad things isnt the religion's problem.. for example during the reconquista Christians killed muslims and jews in the name of holy war so does that make Christianity itself evil?

[formal pilot]

If you're going to west bank I'll join hasbullah

[void arch]

and Jolan in south Syria

[manic juniper]

Yes

[feral river]

[clear meadow]

u are basically promoting imperialism

[feral river]

oh that shit I forgot I need to do that

well then I will think twice...

[clear meadow]

U are really evil dawg ong

[formal scaffold]

they got tasty dogs in Israel

[manic juniper]

You could try to make your sister a Jew

Use her as a proxy

[feral river]

genius

but she's planning to go the US

[dense agate]

bruuuh

[formal scaffold]

I meant hot dogs*

[clear meadow]

Yes as in agreeing with me about religon or as in Christianity is evil

[manic juniper]

Christianity is evil if Christians did that

[void arch]

sure

[hidden marten]

Bruh don’t get me started on Palestinian refugees and how they’re treated in Arab countries. You won’t be able to accept the harsh reality.

[feral river]

not really I'm promoting eliminate all the terrorism

[formal scaffold]

but if y'all wanna move somewhere try India they got the most hygienic of foods out there

[feral river]

and we are going to eliminate all the terrorist groups

[manic juniper]

There wasn't even a consistent Christianity until the fourth century, and by the fifth century it turned into a tool of the state, more like an hammer

[feral river]

Long Live for War on Terror 🇺🇸 🇨🇳 🇷🇺

[dense agate]

i don't think China was part of the war on terror

[void arch]

what where did u get from that come to morocco and see how we treat them

[feral river]

we are

in Xinjiang lol

[dense agate]

that is pseudo terrorism

[hidden marten]

The only country where Syrian, Afghan, Palestinian refugees get rights and citizenship are secular countries like US and Canada and the Arab countries don’t even give them citizenship rights or even the right to study medicine and engineering in universities

[dense agate]

they ain't terrorist if they don't fit the stereotype criteria

[feral river]

well that's terrorism, well-documented and recognized by big powers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China

you can check that lol

[manic juniper]

It's terrorism with Chinese characteristics

[void arch]

i study med and i have many Palestinian friend study with me

give us proofs

not empty words

[hidden marten]

Which Arab country? Sudan ?

[void arch]

Morocco

[manic juniper]

Do you have official statistics or anecdotes only?

[dense agate]

yet the states still doesn't recognize them as such

[hidden marten]

Oh a North African French colonial state

[feral river]

THEY ARE THE FUCKING TERROISTS THEY WERE LINKED TO AL_QAEDA

[void arch]

what u mean ???

[manic juniper]

They are a colonial country now

[void arch]

u lost u know

we conquered half of EU u know

[manic juniper]

They are occupying Western Sahara and have the support of USA and Israel

[dense agate]

this is actually true, look at lebanon where palestinains were second class citizens.
or just look at now how Egypt and Jordan completely refuse taking any Palestinians, nobody wants them

[void arch]

but we were more human than ur ppl

ur awkward ancestors

[hidden marten]

Is that a very proud thing to say that Arab invaders destroyed their culture ?

[formal pilot]

If you're against China, china will run after you that's it, they don't buy the west's definition of terrorism

[dense agate]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/jun/24/middleeast-palestinian-territories

[thorny steeple]

I strive for objectivity in my reasoning. I make claims which are based on solid arguments, and even if one turn out to be faulty or invalid, I retract it immediately without further debate. I have the courage to make public apologies when necessary.
You on the other hand, lack very basic reasoning skills (e.g., not understanding the burden of proof), make unsubstantiated claims (e.g., #🧠｜serious-chat message), demonstrate discrepancies (e.g., saying you don't make negative personal assessments when you do a lot), commit logical fallacies (e.g., ad hominem, red herring etc...) and other demented acts and unhinged behavior.

I'm way out of your league. You might've already noticed that nobody really takes you seriously, which is largely due to many of the points I've mentioned above.

[dense agate]

Arabs love to talk about Palestinine and their cause but when it comes to actual support they have nothing to show

[formal pilot]

I ain't reading aladat

[manic juniper]

Spain and Portugal aren't half of the EU

[void arch]

we didnt destroy their culture it s still remained we enrich their culture and civilization

[formal pilot]

Yeah they're cowards

[void arch]

east south

[formal scaffold]

where are they considred to be 1st class citizen then? except outside their country ofc?? 🤔

[manic juniper]

Sicily isn't even half of Italy... If you mean the Balkans those were conquered by Turks, not by Arabs

And the ottomans didn't even conquer all of it

[void arch]

did he gave them when he claimed that from his personal experience... i just did the same and debunk his claims by personal experience

[feral river]

you know what ? I'm just gonna say you are literally out of the qualifications for me to accept your judgement about me because when you gives a bunch of statement against an individual out of nowhere, no expections, no opening cases, no arguments or debates, it's the same thing that you just said 'fuck me'.

[manic juniper]

Debunk by personal experience... Lol

[void arch]

by MUSLIMS

[dense agate]

there is a reason why they're refugees, but that doesn't justify the mistreatment and "segregation" done on them by other fellow Arab states

[void arch]

he didn give any solid proof , simple as that

[feral river]

so would I respond 'fuck you' ? I don't think I will do that because I'm not in the mood.

[manic juniper]

By that logic Christians conquered almost ¾ of the world

[formal scaffold]

fellow arabs? do you know how that most Palestinians are Canaanites ? and that there are bunch of races all over the middles east ??

[manic juniper]

Canaanites don't exist anymore except for Jews

[feral river]

and what I'm stating is all the truth. @thorny steeple

[manic juniper]

Hebrew is the only Canaanite language left

[feral river]

I never see you deny any of the truth I stated lol.

[dense agate]

current Palestinains identify as Arab, Palestine, Lebanon as they currently stand, identify as an Arab state

[void arch]

its about the way and the means happened how happened , and what brought out to the world ...that what makes us proud of it

[feral river]

maybe that's why you still have my respect

[manic juniper]

You conquered it in pretty much the same way, taking advantage of weaker less developed states

[void arch]

no bb

ur wrong

[dense agate]

imagine flexing with Morocacn history

[feral river]

there's no Palestine

[manic juniper]

Yep, and just like Christians you proceeded to fight one another

Just as France and England fought each other, the Sunni and the Shia did the same

[dense agate]

a country who has been in peace for decades yet still has a lower HDI than Iraq and Palestine

[feral river]

There's only one sovereign state in Israeli mainland, Gaza, and West Bank

[formal pilot]

Classic the Battle of camel

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't say at peace, they have an active conflict started by themselves

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/17/israel-recognises-western-sahara-as-part-of-morocco

[dense agate]

Morocco is a very good example of how a country's people can be so regardedly into football as if it was a religion while the country scores bad in any relevant metric

[manic juniper]

They have a line of landmines instead of border guards

[dense agate]

the conflict isn't that active, no serious engagements have happened for a while

[manic juniper]

Well yeah, they just lined up a fuckton of landmines

[feral river]

they highlighted those stuff obviously they have such inclinations to develop their 'ideology' first

[dense agate]

and the sand wall

[feral river]

like how North Korea is achieving their utopia

[void arch]

u have to come to see by urself

[manic juniper]

No I don't want to give my tourist money to a settler country

[feral river]

for us, communism ? fuck that, socialism ? fuck that, capitalism yes, expansionism yes, nationalism, yes

[dense agate]

that would change everything

[feral river]

even our party's name is Chinese Communist Party

[void arch]

we have historical evidences

[formal scaffold]

you should read about arabised Arabs and ethnic Arabs, if your current take was make them 1st degree citizen bc of their race, even tho this take seem to have alot of flaws it's like saying a Mexican guy can be 1st degree citizen in Spain and a German can be a 1st degree citizen in the US

[formal scaffold]

following that logic also Jews should stay in Germany since it's they were 6 mil of them there that happen to be eliminated

[manic juniper]

There is historical evidence that Spain and France owned Morocco, should they have it back?

[void arch]

why when u got debunked in subject u change it and start attacking me... this show how ur beliefs are insecure

[formal scaffold]

I don't like that logic tbh seems too ....

[feral river]

a standard economy that Stalinism based state-capitalism with limited free market under government regulation.

the core is the pragmatism or Stalinism

another controversial legendary leader, Stalin appears

[dense agate]

wait until you hear their argument about why they should have the canary islands

[formal pilot]

Guys i dunno what y'all are discussing and I'm too afraid to ask

[manic juniper]

Why instead of showing any proof you reply with "common sense", sounds like you're the one getting deboonked

[formal pilot]

He was the best ever

[void arch]

that irrelevant doesn't have any relation to the subject ... that was colonialism... and before that morocco was unified and sahara was part of it, its historically documented

[feral river]

still controversial, he's a legendary leader but made a lot of mistakes and with critiques

he was a major figure caused Ukraine famine

[manic juniper]

Yes it was, what Morocco is doing is colonialism as well

[void arch]

coomon sense is enough for u

[manic juniper]

Finland too was united with Sweden, should they have Finland back then?

[formal pilot]

humans are prone to making mistakes because of our physical biological mental and emotional characteristics

[manic juniper]

Fucking stupid logic

[dense agate]

in liberal democracies there is no discrimination based on ethnicity or race.
i know there was Arabization, but i'm going with what the people identify as, which is Arab.
the mistreatment these Palestinian refugees have been getting in Lebanon and Jordan isn't justifiable by race, matter of fact it just makes it worse.

[feral river]

but also he's the leader that bring Soviet Union from a poor, less-developed industry economy, a regional power, to a real hegemony that could compete with the United States.

[dense agate]

i don't think you understand what i've said

[manic juniper]

All of North Africa was part of the Roman Empire, maybe Italy should get it back...? What kind of logic is that

[feral river]

with domination from Leningrad to English Sea

that's the real red empire

[void arch]

we didnt commit any genocide we did invite those separats to negotiate we put the solution of self control under morocco

[formal scaffold]

I don't think I can bc it doesn't make sense, talk about 1st degree citizen refugees I've never seen that

[formal pilot]

Yk what i started to like China and it's politics

[dense agate]

wrong again, 19th century Morocco didn't have control over Sahara

[feral river]

yeah make a lot of sense, but he's contribution on Soviet Union were discredited by their next leader lol.

he's the real Soviet man I'm gonna say

[manic juniper]

Kicking people out of their territory and changing demographics to keep extracting its resources is colonialism

[feral river]

in his life he gave everything to Soviet Union, he lost his wife over and over again, he stand up against Nazi Germany

a real people's leader

[dense agate]

it not about first degree refugee, it's about non discriminatory treatments, EU and the States have taken a lot of refugees, yet they aren't treated as second class citizens, they have their rights

[void arch]

when spain remained in the shara we did a green march to the sahara 400k ppl go peacefully to make spain recognize our right for that occupied territory it was morrocan before spain take it

[void arch]

there our land

[formal pilot]

Hell and and only killed 6-7 millions deliberately

[feral river]

well... mistakes do happen, great purge, ukraine famine

that was all catastropics

[dense agate]

jumping over some points, Morocco and Mauritania had a deal to split it between them

[formal scaffold]

you mean they don't have their right in Jordan? interesting

[manic juniper]

The Moroccans did that against the will of the Saharawis lmao

[dense agate]

"our land" yet they were willing to split it

[feral river]

but despite all of this what he got is a superpower Soviet Union, the state just behind the United States

[void arch]

they had to give it to us

[formal pilot]

Chad BRICS

[void arch]

they didnt

[feral river]

I don't think today's world we have the same state could compete with the United States

[void arch]

so its ours

[feral river]

not China, China is not even a superpower.

[void arch]

muritania approve that

[manic juniper]

Imagine Indians marching in Bangladesh before it got its independence so Bangladesh can be rightfully Indian territory

[void arch]

they didnt

[dense agate]

it didn't happen, because Mauritania had inner problems so they backed off

[formal pilot]

China is literally competing against USA

[feral river]

we are still under US's global order

[void arch]

irrelevant they approve it nowadays

[formal pilot]

Yeah every pro right wing Indian wants this to happen lol

[manic juniper]

Maybe Spain should have never left

[void arch]

yes but we kicked it

[blissful atlas]

I partially disagree with you.

[dense agate]

sure, but that doesn't take form the fact there was a time where they were going to split it

[dense agate]

Spanish right winger is saying this, and they they should recognize WS

[formal pilot]

Not for long, soon East will dominate the globe

[formal scaffold]

Also wouldn't accepting refugees make them the next target of Israel?? ex: the fishing boat that carried 3 people shot by Egyptians border guards in sea borders

[feral river]

before that we gonna do some work together

[dense agate]

i wouldn't use the word "dominate"

[manic juniper]

Hopefully the Polisario does the same with the help of Algeria

[formal scaffold]

the terror is real :V

[feral river]

eliminate the terrorism across the middle east

control the oil sources and we will rise up

[formal pilot]

Because you're jealous

[dense agate]

😔

[void arch]

bro muritania before that was part of moroccan kingdom they chose to split and M5 approve that to them ,, they are formed by tribes were under morocco back then

[feral river]

from the Iran to the Turkey with Saudi

[void arch]

maybe

[feral river]

after we completely dominated these region we will rise

[dense agate]

and Iran, Morocco has cut ties with them before due to them providing arms to them

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah we need to eradicate the occupation

[prisma cipher]

@manic juniper I'm just curious, are you concerned about the rights of Russians who remained in Lithuania after the collapse of the USSR? They can vote, even though they've lived there all their live. And having passport Non-citizens or aliens.

[manic juniper]

Yes

[prisma cipher]

Don't notice

[manic juniper]

I don't think the integration process of Russians in the Baltics was smooth or fair

[feral river]

US is doing a good job to weaken the strength of these states

[void arch]

morocco is consistent and follow international laws ..

[feral river]

at this time we just need to do some jobs in Xinjiang

kill terrorists

[void arch]

russia or sweden can repeat ur tragedy too

[dense agate]

regardless, people have right of self determination, so does Sahrawis, and maybe Rif as well ?

[formal pilot]

Start with IDF

[manic juniper]

Neither Russia or Sweden want to get Finland back

[formal pilot]

Free Finland

[void arch]

does texas and california has the right for self determination??

[formal scaffold]

native Americans xD

[manic juniper]

And Finland isn't a settler country currently nor it ever was

[dense agate]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/north-africa/morocco-and-western-sahara/report-morocco-and-western-sahara/

[void arch]

who knows

[dense agate]

they have land

[prisma cipher]

Dorud, also khafe sho

[formal scaffold]

a football yard :V

[formal pilot]

It belongs to indigenous population lol

[manic juniper]

They can try, last time a country almost 100 times the size of ours tried to invade they failed

[dense agate]

if by football yard you mean has huge deposits of oil, sure

[void arch]

palestine too was the same

[formal pilot]

Don't worry BRICS will do the job

[manic juniper]

We have a double agent in BRICS

[prisma cipher]

True, at least I don't see any tendency. We don't talk about it even inside family blushit talking

[void arch]

irrelevant every country has the right to maintain its sovereignty ,u can find the same even in USA or UK

[formal scaffold]

why are people from American Samoan not 1st degree citizens tho 🥲

[formal pilot]

Yeah dude I feel bad for em

[manic juniper]

Israel?

[void arch]

maybe russia can do it

[manic juniper]

That country was Russia's predecessor... It was much larger

[void arch]

occupation is a deff thing, i talk about a country inside its border

[dense agate]

"morocco is consistent and follow international laws"
irrelevant sovereignty....
you really can't make this shit up

[void arch]

they dream to have it again

[manic juniper]

But Western Sahara is occupied just as Palestine is