🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

and what you are mentioning is the Palestinian who live in Israel

I think there's no doubt with that

[void arch]

the state not the ethnicity??

[void arch]

there are places called west bank and Gaza u know them???

[feral river]

yeah part of Israel I know

there's only one sovereign state throughout this region

State of Israel

[void arch]

there occupied by isreal accourding the court of justice, UN ,humans right , any fucking org and more than 120 countries

[feral river]

ofc some part was occupied because Hamas started against Israel

they kicked their ass perfectly

[void arch]

they were before hamas attacked ur ignorant u dont know what re u talkin about

[thorny steeple]

That's the opposite point of view of the point of view that we have. However, you reply hatefully rather than normally with the view to having a debate so, like I avoided your hateful comments before.. I also expect you to keep out of a conversation that's not with you like Flare also said

[feral river]

no idea you can post something to proof they were occupied before this date

btw that's not occupation that's part of their territory

[thorny steeple]

They also deny Al nakba

[feral river]

there's only one sovereign state in this region

[thorny steeple]

You know, you still can't justify such war crimes even with such denials

[feral river]

that's what he said something like hateful comments you stated for me or other people

it's not me started with this bullshit

[void arch]

u just show me that u know nothing about palestine or isreal situation go educate urself pls i cant waste my time show u evidences u cant relate to

[thorny steeple]

Prove that this is part of their territory.

[feral river]

I mean if you are incapable to proof the occupation status before the Oct 7th even it's controversial you better study some basic history

[thorny steeple]

@void arch he or she always trying to spread the lies and hate in this channel so just better avoid because they enjoy lying and insulting

[void arch]

they are occupied by evidence

[feral river]

why would I proof that ? they are in charge not you guys

it's you guys need to proof it

🤣

[thorny steeple]

His approach to this debate is based on denials and denials

[void arch]

ok i noticed that early maybe she is psyco[ath

[thorny steeple]

I know.

[feral river]

my approach to this debate is just truth.

hard truth you can't deny

[thorny steeple]

The ICC have done their investigation on the case made by south Africa about an ongoing genocide in Palestine and you probably haven't watched the hearing of the court

[void arch]

what denying the opposite claims without refuting it ,, and claiming points without proving it ... is that what u mean by ur approach????

[thorny steeple]

That's all. Denials will not make us move from our position.

A debate cannot go on with constant denials from opposition.

[thorny steeple]

You made an assertion and did not substantiate it. This is called the burden of proof, which lies upon you since you've made an extraordinary claim.
You need to learn some basic logic.

Everything we say is false and everything he says is the truth.

Every investigation we did is rigged.

That's his way of debate. Good luck

[whole beacon]

Wats the first thing that comes into ur head when i say:
Mao zedong

[thorny steeple]

You forgot one. Every proof we provide is a propaganda. 😂

[whole beacon]

Sarcasm 101 session 2

[feral river]

this is your ICC recognized status

[thorny steeple]

There's more in the list tho

[feral river]

would you like to check it by yourself ?

idk if you can find a bunch of muslim state or state that support Palestinians

and... US, Russia China those superpowers doesn't give a shit

what else your ICC could do now ?

[whole beacon]

Wats that, china's food supply map?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_parties_to_the_Rome_Statute

[whole beacon]

U expect us to decide who supports who from a map

[feral river]

your ICC recognition status

lmao I wanna say

[whole beacon]

Oh The ICJ

[thorny steeple]

ICC cannot do anything by itself. The fact that they're incapable of doing anything and despite enough proof, the superpowers don't give a sh*t is what we are protesting against. Big protests are being held all around Europe

[feral river]

I don't see you mentioned anything besides this ICC stuff

and I give you the source of how ICC being recognized

I don't think I really need further comment about this

[whole beacon]

they ruled for plausibility of genocide, they will take 20 years to deliver a verdict any way.

But plausible is a big deal

[feral river]

well yeah I guess you get it

I agree with you

[thorny steeple]

Your approach to this topic is yet again denial to accept an investigation by icc

[feral river]

wym ? I just give you the source of how they were being recognized

and you see it on the map pretty clear

[whole beacon]

Haven't changed a bit.

God

[feral river]

if North Korea says the entire world is their's are you gonna say 'your approach to this topic is yet again denial to accept their claim ?'

it doesn't even make sense

[thorny steeple]

This is not a debate, just a waste of time when you deny everything. Thus I will end it here.

[thorny steeple]

Your text makes no sense

[feral river]

why the heck they have to accept your claim ?

[thorny steeple]

The fact is, it's not a claim

[whole beacon]

@feral river are u aware on how the Israeli state was created ?
Prior to 1948?
Cuz ur missing a lot.

Forget 7 octobre, and the icj and gaza

Talk about the real deal

The main prblm

[thorny steeple]

It's an investigation. Even USA couldn't call it rigged or false

[whole beacon]

That is zionists ideology

[thorny steeple]

Ask him about Al nakba

He will deny it happened

[whole beacon]

He doesn't know a bugger for sure

[void arch]

they dont know nothing just arguing

[thorny steeple]

Attack on tents.
July 2024 attack.

[feral river]

oh really ? let me ask you this way, you said 'your approach to this topic is yet again denial to accept an investigation by icc' I give you the source of recognition status of ICC which is global power don't even give a shit, and you are saying that I'm denying it on this conversion, what I'm saying is why the heck I will not deny this invaild shit that nobody gives a shit ?

why the heck I would accept that dude

[whole beacon]

Helloo mine
I asked u a question

[thorny steeple]

https://www.dohainstitute.org/en/Lists/ACRPS-PDFDocumentLibrary/Arab-Opinion-Index-2019-2020-Inbreef-English-Version.pdf
https://www.dohainstitute.org/en/Lists/ACRPS-PDFDocumentLibrary/arab-opinion-war-on-gaza-press-release-en.pdf
The overwhelming majority of Arabs, not only Egyptians as I've previously stated, reject the recognition of Israel. Statistical analyses have been conducted on this issue by the ACRPS.
So, your claim is completely unfounded for someone claiming to hold the truth.

[whole beacon]

Oh he is checking ggl maybe

[void arch]

so they are lying dispite enough proof??

[thorny steeple]

You will not deny it because it's an investigational proof. Not a claim. I think human beings will understand this

[feral river]

what ?

[feral river]

oh you started with your think of human beings will understand this

I started with my think of human beings will not give this shit because of this map

what a crap

[whole beacon]

Every one ignores me.

Insecurities ✅️
Anger ✅️
Imma do like mao-zedong now
Oh oh , stalin is better

[feral river]

this map perfectly shows how is the ICC is a crap

[whole beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-ban-syntheticllama-gif-21044291

[void arch]

hhhhh

[thorny steeple]

Not even his English skills. Lol.
His grammar is just as awful since the first message he posted in this server.

[feral river]

I would laugh out fr when I'm looking this list

I would give you this one

[void arch]

to this *

[thorny steeple]

Any debate where one party gives evidence and another party denies it is not any serious debate.

This is a joke where you keep denying everything that includes claims, facts, investigations and court hearings.
We should stop this debate here because from our side we are working to prove a point and from his side he's just denying everything.

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel

@thorny steeple see ?

your egypt

appears to green bro

remember the battle of Sinai in the old days

[void arch]

the arab countries agreed on the condition of the recognition of palestine .. under the border of 1976

[whole beacon]

I wouldn't judge him for his English lvl
But the ideas
Nah uh
So messed up
Big deal messed up

[thorny steeple]

Check Al Nakba.
Also, UN ordered Israelis to get out of the Palestinian territories some days ago as more than 88% of the west bank is now taken over by Them

[feral river]

it's not really me posting bunch of crap like ICC over here and you literally accused me on how I denied your claim based on the ICC actually that's your only argument with me

and I give you the source of how ICC being recognized you didn't argue

and what you are talking right now ?

accusations /

[void arch]

yes arab league agreed on 1976 border given by the UN

[feral river]

you can bring the resolution link over here

or you can't find one ? idk

[thorny steeple]

Anyway. We will move on from this topic if you will deny the verdict by icc, Al nakba, Jenin Jenin etc.

If you want to deny any verdict of icc, you will have to point out the reason or any lack of information for which you are denying their investigation. Otherwise, your denials is valueless and we will not debate with you with constant denials from your side

[feral river]

anyway you didn't really argue with anything but keep accusing me about how I denied some stuff which you didn't even argue

so I would consider that's pure accusation

[thorny steeple]

You can also find it.. check below. You could find it but I found it for your

[feral river]

you claim there was and you let me to find it ?

lol

[thorny steeple]

Completely irrelevant. If the government makes a decision, it doesn't entail the population agrees with it. It's just like saying if the government decided to murder its population, then the population agrees with it.

[feral river]

I tell there was a supreme leader of serious chat, go find it @thorny steeple

LMAO

[thorny steeple]

See. Your argument is laughable, even you couldn't hold yourself.

[dense agate]

what are you guys talkin about exactly ?

[feral river]

sometimes I just can't hold my myself with you guys especially you I do consider you are a terrorist sympathizer so I'm not so surprised with the shit

[dense agate]

arguments are all over the place

from political, historical to just public opinions

[feral river]

dude finally awake

[thorny steeple]

Fair enough, although he is using an English learning server.

[feral river]

remember that's what the narrative you are using

next time I will use the same thing to talk back to you with this screenshot

[void arch]

now ur personalizing .. stop attacking the person and go for the proof

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-intro-awake-finally-awake-gif-22633549

[feral river]

I didn't attack anyone I'm stating my opinion and facts

don't make any accusations against me lol

I don't give any of this shit never

[thorny steeple]

New topic: Hamas.

I believe Hamas has all the rights to attack any unlawful presence of Israel within Palestine.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496

[feral river]

wym ?

[dense agate]

we do know West Bank and Gaza are considered occupied territories even to Israel, nothing new here

[feral river]

there was only one sovereign state in this region

State of Israel

[thorny steeple]

Denials denials

[feral river]

your claim is invaild I guess

[feral river]

are there two ?

[thorny steeple]

Deny un deny icc deny

[feral river]

yes or no

yes or no are there two ?

@thorny steeple

[whole beacon]

Vc skills still below average. Should take some feedback more importantly

[thorny steeple]

So, you do make personal assessments. Contrary to a statement you've made before.

for me I don't like to make personal assessment [#🧠｜serious-chat message]

[void arch]

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1155861

[dense agate]

there are 2 states, one of them is recognized the other isn't

[thorny steeple]

When you deny every proof. This is not a debate anymore. This is just joke

[feral river]

only one sovereign state

sovereign state only one

that ain't deny my claim

[dense agate]

sure, that doesn't mean there isn't a conflict where there is a territory from which an unrecognized state is trying to emerge

[feral river]

your proof is invaild why you think I would not to deny it

[feral river]

you are providing invaild proof not me

what I'm saying is hard truth that you can't deny it

have you ever try ? I don't see it

[dense agate]

similar situation to Serbia-Kosovo, Morocco-Western Sahara, etc...

[feral river]

what you are doing is just bring some irrelevant stuff or other sources of information based on bias

and even based on their narrative, that ain't deny my claim

[dense agate]

hold on, how is what i said bias ?

[feral river]

yeah I'm not going to deny there was a conflict, actually there is, between 2 groups of people

[void arch]

there is occupation everything is under the isreali control .. imagine if u want to do some paper work about identity or somthing u have the approval from isreal ... food water anything is under isreali control ... no life no degnity

[feral river]

but in one state

[feral river]

I'm not saying you dude

[void arch]

that s not... isreal wasent before they come from other countries and settled and use power to dominant by the aid of major power

[feral river]

there's no such thing called occupation that only one sovereign state in this region

there's only one sovereign state throughout this region

[thorny steeple]

Ad hominem is largely his way of argumentation. He is bigoted and lacking in intellectual merit.

[feral river]

can anyone deny this truth ?

[dense agate]

you guys are wasting energy on the wrong thing, occupation of West Bank and Gaza was there since 1967.
the goal shouldn't be to end the occupation because that takes us nowhere and would probably never happen as long as a two or one state solution isn't happening

[void arch]

dont talk to me again i said that u understand ???

[feral river]

well that was not an occupation

there's only one sovereign state throughout this region

[hybrid siren]

West Bank isn't sovereign state, hence you can't say occupation

[feral river]

how many times I need to repeat this shit ?

[dense agate]

it is very much the same, people using their right of self determination.

[hybrid siren]

is it that hard to understand?

[feral river]

correct dude you got my point

[void arch]

thats right thanks for ur corsprency

[feral river]

there's only one sovereign state throughout this region

[dense agate]

Minecraft, if from Israel's perspective, West Bank and Gaza are considered occupied and thus under military court, why are you trying to prove otherwise

[void arch]

no bro it is very deff from a ppl lived in the same land and wanted self determination... and a foreign state funded by major power settled to over dominant the region by over use of power

[feral river]

I didn't try to proof it what I'm saying is there's only one sovereign state throughout this region

you can literally use any court, civil court military court to justice anything in the region under your administration

that's your issue

[void arch]

u lose the arg since isreal is against u ... they approves the occupation of these territories

[dense agate]

the presence of or rather the lack of an alleged foreign state makes no fundamental changes about his conflict from it being one about right of self determination, variables can change, the core of the struggle remains the same.
unless you want to explain to me how right of self determination is irrelevant to palestinians

[feral river]

I don't know what you are arguing about

[feral river]

I'm saying that there's only one sovereign state in this region and both group of people fighting there

[void arch]

isreal approves its occupation of gaza strip and west bank we dont need ur oppinion

[feral river]

what you guy saying is they are not part of Israel, they are part of a non-existing state all the time

what a crap dude

[thorny steeple]

That's outright false and completely ridiculous claim. What is your definition of "sovereign state" anyway? You seem to abuse the term everywhere.

[void arch]

when a foreign power go to ur country by the aid of another countries and say to u our book said this land is ours so u have to give ur house what would u call that self determination ????

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

[dense agate]

there is a recognized sovereign state there, sure, I'm not debating against this

[feral river]

educate yourself

@thorny steeple

don't thank me about it

that's what I should do to all human being

I know I'm like a professor on something idk I don't give a shit I'm not an ashole academic crazyer mental illness talking about some stupid term all the time but it's really hard to explain it

[void arch]

u wanted from her the deff and she gave u a link from wiki hahah

he asked about ur understanding of the deff

dumb

[thorny steeple]

So, what are you referring to as the "region"? The Middle East?

[feral river]

how divine of my love to all humanity by education

[feral river]

no, if you don't understand what a region is

Middle East can be a region

[dense agate]

A. very accurate and non misleading brief about the historical perspective.
B. the occupying force being foreign or from the region doesn't change the fact that the said group is struggling for self determination.

[thorny steeple]

There is absolutely nothing in my statement that even hints that I don't understand what the word "region" means. My question is crystal clear, what are YOU referring to as the "region"?

@feral river
Are you referring to the territory in which Israel occupies?

[void arch]

ur twisting and misusing the term of self determination... they are literary representing imperialism

[feral river]

the region that includes Israeli conflict between Palestinian people, Israel mainland, Gaza, West Bank

well Lebanon is a sovereign state that was not included

[abstract halo]

？

[void arch]

do u condemn Israeli attack on civilians against Lebaneses

??

[feral river]

yes

[void arch]

goood

[dense agate]

you're being regarded, how about this, since you seem to care, if you were make a case for Palestine in the framework of international law about their core struggle, not just for escalatory events, so as if you were 1950s.
good luck finding anything about imperialism or colonialism that fits this

[void arch]

then we can consider isreal a war crime state ??

[feral river]

well ICC is not vaild, so there was no war crime state

[dense agate]

do you think right of self determination doesn't broadly cover states that were under imperialism ? that it didn't give colonized state the right to seek independence

[feral river]

that's well-documented

[dense agate]

jeez

[void arch]

bro i understand what u mean very much .... i agree we can't go back to the past .... isreal is alr recognized... there is only one solution is the two state solution .... but i dont want to regard the fact that was imperialism and occupation since the beginning

[dense agate]

imperialism or not, it doesn't render them no longer under the right of self determination, it's a core fundamental international law, creation of a Palestinian state is sought after based on this law

[void arch]

its a inevitable situation and i alr say i m with the two sate solution

[thorny steeple]

So, you're basically saying "Israel has the authority over Israel". Pretty much a tautological claim and meaningless in essence. Ironically, these types of tautological statements are used in rhetorical speech, further proves my point that your claims are largely rhetorical.

This claim does not address the point of Israel's illegal occupation. Might does not make right.

[feral river]

no ? I said there's only one sovereign state in this region and I give you the explaination of what is this region which included West Bank, Gaza and Israeli mainland

[void arch]

yes ..but it still a fact a cristal clear fact and history is still recognize that

u cant change it

but we can find solution

can save the dignity and the life of Palestinians and Israelis

and live in peace and harmony as it was in the old days

when all the ppl of the monotheistic blief lived together

in that land

[feral river]

under British rule ? isn't that colonialism and imperialism lmao

that's the real colonialism and imperialism

[void arch]

before that go read history

[dense agate]

what's needed is pragmatism and realpolitik, according to which the historical context are irrelevant, what matters is the situation as it is right now.
in short : both Hamas and Israel don't want two state solution, so there would be no progress towards this goal for the short future.

[void arch]

the ppl were exploited by the colonizers that not dignity or peace

[thorny steeple]

Let's say Gaza and the West Bank are controlled by Israel, and - according to you, therefore they are part of Israel. Explain to me how is your statement meaningful when saying that Israel has "supreme authority" over Israel.
Additionally, that still didn't address the point of Israel's illegal occupation. Just because Israel has "control" and "power" doesn't mean we are ought to support it or justify its actions.

[void arch]

hammas agreed on that several times ... only some Israelis in the top of them natenuaho didnt approve it .. he didnt want it

[dense agate]

wooooow

[void arch]

did i say something new

thats a fact brother

sectarian zionists dont want 2 states solution

[dense agate]

buddy, the two states solution talks were halted because of Hamas since 2008 where the last actual talks happened and PA left last moment.
Hamas' 'doctrine' is eradicating Israel and opposing two state solution, that's why directly after getting power they kicked the PA out of Gaza, Israel liked this since as long as Hamas is in power the two state solution talks would stop and use them as an excuse for the latter.

[void arch]

do u know whay was oct 7 bcz Israel dont want to go the table and negotiate about that

[dense agate]

Hamas never agreed to 2 state solution

[void arch]

i swear that they do

[dense agate]

yes, some new divine wisdom you got

[dense agate]

yes, some new divine wisdom

[void arch]

wait ill send u something prove my words

[dense agate]

show me an instance of talks between both sides about 2 state solution where Hamas agreed

[void arch]

ok

[sonic hazel]

u are right

[void arch]

u have to know whether they want or not from both sides.. it doesn't mean that 2 state solution is not a solution can be presented to the table

[dense agate]

if you didn't get it yet, this is a trick question, because it never happened lel

[void arch]

The Palestine Liberation Organization has accepted the concept of a two-state solution since the 1982 Arab Summit. In 2017, Hamas announced their revised charter, which claims to accept the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, but without recognising the statehood of Israel.

u see

[dense agate]

it's one of the 3 possible solutions, but it's unlikely to happen now, we've got to wait and see the outcome in Gaza, if somehow the US can force Israel to allow the PA to go back to Gaza that's a big win, but would probably not happen since Israel doesn't want it

[void arch]

yes .. but thats pure evil from isreal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

the whole thing about 2 state solution

its not Devine wisdom i say what im clearly convinced with

in 2017 hamas agreed on that but they put a condition , Israel didnt like it

so basically no solution

we hope peace for all humanity

everyone goanna die in the end and left behind this earth that were fighting for it

[sonic hazel]

Pure evil of Israel... when in fact who started this war was the other side. Bizarre.

[dense agate]

i really love windows and how they force update restart

[void arch]

war has limitation u cant bomb civilians and commit mass killing of kids that s reached over 18k

[dense agate]

PA agreed to two state solution while ago, Hamas though even though they hinted at accepting 2 state solutions in 2017, not only that they emphasized on never recognizing israel, but they also would launch attacks to disturb normalization acts from Israel

[void arch]

they are war crimes so pure evil is completely fairness to describe that

[sonic hazel]

Who started the war? Who uses children and hospitals as human shields? You know the answer.

[void arch]

there is no human shield

[dense agate]

there is too much to load in one go but i'll say that there are only 3 possible solutions, a two state solution, which i hope by now we clearly understand it's not going to happen any time soon

[sonic hazel]

Oh c'mon.. they built much of their sites under hospitals and schools is a coincidence? No. Really.

[void arch]

go watch the ved of battles of hamas with isrealdid u see human shield ??? ... but rather there are documented senarios from the UN shows us how Isreal use Palestinian as human shield .. do u condemn that too ???

[void arch]

give me proof ???? hurry up pls

[dense agate]

apartheid state, on which greater israel become one (green line israel + west bank + gaza), but it would have to turn into apartheid since they would fail to maintain the jewish demographic supremacy but they will be able to keep the political one

[sonic hazel]

At no time did I support Israel. But who started the war? It is simple. It is not difficult. I would like Hamas to stop being selfish and really support the creation of two states. But they don’t want that.

[dense agate]

third is ethnic cleansing, similar to what happened in 1948 and 1967, so they'd annex West bank and Gaza and also be able to maintain the demographic supremacy.
the likeliness of this happening without a large war into play is low

[void arch]

even tho that dont give u the right to bomb a hospitals contain civiliance or kids .... would ur government do that if a bunch of terrorists are in ur house would they bomb it and kill u and ur family or they will find another appropriate way

[dense agate]

how is this relevant to going forward ?

[void arch]

wait untill read urs simon

[dense agate]

if you don't know what green line israel that i've mentioned it's in the image of this link

[void arch]

this is happening in west bank ... they live without dignity or freedom ... complete oppression

[sonic hazel]

No, it doesn’t. But this wouldn’t be happening if hamas hadn’t started. Both sides are suffering. And the initial blame is not of Israel. The fault is of hamas to use defenseless people to achieve their evil goal.

There are multiple reports and claims that Hamas has used schools, hospitals, and other civilian infrastructure as shields for military operations. According to the IDF, the group has established command centers and stored weapons in facilities like Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza. Israel asserts that Hamas uses tunnels beneath hospitals and operates near schools to make military targets harder to strike without risking civilian casualties.

[whole beacon]

Sry
Ur way too naive

As was i

[dense agate]

im talking about a homogenous apartheid state, that is when Israel annexes both.
the current situation in West Bank is a product of continuous occupation and being subject to military court as do almost all occupied areas globally

[whole beacon]

To beleive in the two states solution

[void arch]

the starting or not ... thats not an excuse for Israel to commit this genocide and mass killing of civilians

[sonic hazel]

No. I just don’t think like the bubble.

[sonic hazel]

In this case you are justifying the death that hamas committed at the beginning. As if the lives of people they took away in the beginning also had no importance. Bizarre.

[void arch]

who s goanna trust the idf.... again thats not an excuse to bomb place where civilians exist ...

[whole beacon]

Yes u do

[void arch]

im completly against that

[sonic hazel]

They bombed a party. With people. Who were there just wanting to have fun. Killed for fun. Laughed. They mocked the deaths of thousands.

[void arch]

and againt Isreal genocide too

[void arch]

i said

somthing

isn't

[sonic hazel]

No. I don’t care if you think so.

[thorny steeple]

This is inaccurate. Yeah, sure Hamas is the one launched the attack in Oct. 7th, but that doesn't mean it started the whole war.
In fact, the operation of Oct. 7th has been labelled Al-Aqsa Flood. Al-Aqsa is an Islamic mosque in Jerusalem. According to the Jewish Talmod, this is the place in which they need to rebuild Solomon's Temple (this means, they'll need to demolish Al-Aqsa mosque), which is why Israel has committed many attrocities there, most recently 2023 Al-Aqsa clashes, where they've forcefully expelled Palestinian Muslims from the mosque, which is one of Islam's holiest sites, and have let Jewish settlers get in and perform their worshiping traditions in an Islamic mosque. Furthermore, this conflict is over 72 years old. So, saying Hamas started this war is very inaccurate, Hamas was founded about 39 years, which is during the first Palestinian intifada against the Israeli occupation, after the coercive establishment of Israel as a Jewish state.

[void arch]

there no excuse for killing civiliance especialy kids even in wars

[whole beacon]

Oh i know.
Naivety is often accompanied with ignorance and arrogance.

But a small tip. U gotta stop treating hamas as the problem,
And recognize them as the symptom of the main problem.

That is colonialism

[sonic hazel]

Yes. What about children who were killed by them? They massacred the cities. They killed animals, people, women and children too. For evil.

[void arch]

still no proof on that

[whole beacon]

U all should not be fixating on 7th of October.
The bigger picture is worth more

Attention

[void arch]

thats not accurate all that was from the media and proved to be bullshit

[dense agate]

are you talking about what hamas did in 7th of october ?

[void arch]

u didnt see the reportes of refuting this fake claims

[sonic hazel]

There are videos on the internet of his own hamas showing this, just look for you. I saw. A lot.

[void arch]

show me

[dense agate]

beside the fact that the conflict didn't start in 7th of october, Hamas did some messed up shit

[sonic hazel]

You wouldn’t dare search and see again. Search yourself.

[void arch]

i totally against that if it was ,but are u againt Israeli genocide be consistent ???

[void arch]

u have the burden to provide me with things support ur claims

not me

answer my question are u aginst Israeli atrocities and mass graves

[sonic hazel]

funny that on my part you have none of this. But, words can convey things that are not truths. Even more so when they are only written.

[dense agate]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks

beside the kidnapping and killing of civilians at gun point

[sonic hazel]

no I wont

[void arch]

so bby

end it here

ur not consistent ur clearly hypocrite

[sonic hazel]

If you are not able to search yourself.. I will not search and show you. I have seen what I needed. I read and studied what was necessary. And end.

[void arch]

when i condemn hamas for their atrocities u cant condemn isreali for same thing

[void arch]

ur just closed minded

[dense agate]

this is whataboutism

[sonic hazel]

this.. 😭

[dense agate]

hammas raped and killed civilians at gun point. but what about israel ?

lel

[void arch]

i alr said i condemn anything has relation of killing innocent people

im verry consistent in that point

[void arch]

she cant condemn them they have the right to do so

since they are the white or somthing

or maybe the chosen ppl

[sonic hazel]

It’s no use. It seems that those who question them are always the wrong ones. Let them..

[thorny steeple]

That's also inaccurate, there hasn't been any reliable accounts of Hamas massacring children. While there is a widespread video showing Israeli indiscriminate airstrikes during Oct. 7th, killing both Hamas militants and Israeli civilians. Israel does have a policy for this called Hannibal Directive, which is a policy used to prevent soldiers' abduction by all measures, even if it results in killing Israeli citizens.

[void arch]

lorena do u condemn this

or not??

[sonic hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=785MuGRTcak

....

[sonic hazel]

ofc. People died bro

[void arch]

so u condemn isreal ?

[void arch]

ur making me laughing do u think this is a proof

some narrations we dont have any proof to be true or just a propaganda

[sonic hazel]

At some point I said I was supporting them? I didn’t. I just said they didn’t shoot first.

[void arch]

it s irrelevant wether first or last ... u dont have the right to commit a genocide of thosand of women and kids to satisfy ur anger

that s illogical

[sonic hazel]

A newspaper interviewing people who were on the spot and saw: It is not evidence.
A newspaper condemning Israel: it is proof.

ok, sir logical.

[void arch]

did they show us a ved like the guy has sent .. show us members of hamas doing what u claim and the narration claim

nice discussion have a great day

[dense agate]

are you indirectly asking for gore vids ?

[void arch]

no

im just saying narrations are not necessary true or can be taken as a proof

they can be faked twisted

[sonic hazel]

u too.

[void arch]

الخلاف في الرأي..لا يُفسد للوّد قضية!

[feral river]

It’s obvious there’s a ongoing solution which is full annexation of Gaza and West Bank

That was a nice solution to end this conflict forever

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-mgs-mgs4-monkey-smoking-gif-18130587

[void arch]

what s that bro

[dense agate]

yea you're right, that's why they have been building settlements in West Bank

[feral river]

Yeah pretty nice and worked properly

[sonic hazel]

Agree. I do not think like you, but not for that I will not take into account what you think or respect. These discussions add knowledge even if both parties do not agree.

[dense agate]

an individual enjoying his right to his autonomy, with a cigarette, at least it's not a vape

[feral river]

Damn I love this pizza

[dense agate]

gotta grind them calories

[feral river]

I’m 55 kg

[dense agate]

?????

[void arch]

im against smoking tho but nice feeling

[feral river]

lol

[void arch]

agreed

[dense agate]

if smoking is bad, then why is solid snake smoking ? checkmate liberals

[dense agate]

you need to start grinding food then

[void arch]

solid snake smoking exists?

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid4-mgs4-solid-snake-old-snake-becoming-old-gif-24179307

i don't think you got the reference

[viscid ferry]

Hey I have question for you all

Are fairy tales real?

[void arch]

i didn't know he is a game character

[feral river]

lol yeah

I even wonder I’m lacking of testosterone

I can speak like a girl

[void arch]

wth

[feral river]

I mean I can

[dense agate]

you what ?

[feral river]

If you give a fake hair with dresses you won’t realize im a guy

[dense agate]

ummmmm

[feral river]

I mean my voice can be a like a girl speaking

Naturally

[dense agate]

i have friends who can fake girl voice, yet they look very masculine

[feral river]

I guess I know some people also could do that with training

Mine’s natural

[dense agate]

interesting talent

[feral river]

And I pursue peace & love, pretty feminine right ?

[dense agate]

as far as i know, you're the opposite someone who is pursuing peace

[void arch]

haha

[feral river]

Nah I just hold some fundamental truths about how peace works

And to establish the real peace

That war will never happen again

Right ?

[dense agate]

a unified globe under CPC ?

[void arch]

what makes u sure that u hold the truth

[feral river]

Well no

But under me

[feral river]

Interesting question let’s take an example

If the opposite doesn’t exist anymore

Will there be peace or war ?

[void arch]

what u define as opposite ?

[feral river]

Your enemy

The target you are fighting to

If they doesn’t exist anymore, peace achieved

And this has been proven by history

[void arch]

u hold evil values bro if u gonna be the next leader of china trust me u will eliminate human race

[feral river]

Well well well it’s you switched the topic

You didn’t really question my truth

[void arch]

thats the center of ur evil ideology thats what ll bring out

[feral river]

lol

@dense agate what do u think

[void arch]

ur encouraging the elimination of the opposite side just bcz they adopt deff view... it's an evil ideology

[feral river]

I’m just stating a truth nothing else

[void arch]

and the value u adopt arent objective

anyway

[dense agate]

at a fundamental level from a realist perspective, it is in state's interests if an adversary is gone, but that doesn't mean it's possible or that the end would justify the means to do so

[void arch]

Minecraft why u love seek arg despite the fact u know exactly that are not logical ...are u suffering from schizophrenia

[dense agate]

it's like saying if it's good for USSR's interests if the USA could be destroyed, well yes, but regardless if they had the capability to do so, there would be consequences that wouldn't make it worth it

[void arch]

are all the Chinese think like this ??/

[dense agate]

similar things is applied to Israel, the enemy is not Hamas by itself, but rather the possibility of the Jewish state to cease from existence, they can attempt to do a large ethnic cleansing but there would be consequences

[dense agate]

there are no objective values

[dense agate]

from a mere interests perspective that is true

[prisma cipher]

It's difficult to calculate all the pros and cons.

[void arch]

yes so he cant hold autority on someone disagree with him

[feral river]

lol

[void arch]

guys im done have a great day

[north wigeon]

🗿

[dense agate]

that's why i like realism, values, ideologies hold no meaning, just pure pragmatism and interests

[void arch]

agreed

[feral river]

It’s easy to proof my authority over anywhere

By force

That’s how guns function

[void arch]

hhh

[dense agate]

it can be hard but not impossible, Russia knew sanctions were going to happen if they invade Ukraine, but the end justified the means for them so they did it

[feral river]

regime born from guns - Mao Zedong

[void arch]

dictatorships

[dense agate]

i talked to minecraft a lot, i don't think all he says is nonsense, he's also very pragmatic

[prisma cipher]

Sanctions are also very difficult to calculate in advance.

[dense agate]

power is everything in a global anarchic system

[void arch]

ur favorite symbol

[feral river]

They couldn’t understand our view that make sense

You from US I’m from China we all global powers

That’s just our political games

For them it’s their only way to survive on this planet

[void arch]

the healthy mind cant accept what are ur promoting

[dense agate]

but they knew large amounts of sanctions were coming, hence why they economically prepared for it

[prisma cipher]

they prepared so good that left 300 billion dollars in Europe

[void arch]

mincraft i think hetler will agree with u

[prisma cipher]

Europe will use the proceeds from this money, amounting to about 30 billion, to support Ukraine

[feral river]

All make sense if you can’t understand

[void arch]

so a damaged mind will understand?

[prisma cipher]

and this happened because we believed in the law and private property

[void arch]

ur athiest right

[feral river]

wym I didn't even talked about it

I'm stating the truth

[prisma cipher]

Were we ready, maybe, but not always, and many decisions are good improvisation

[dense agate]

that's one of the shortcomings they did, they probably thought it would be unlikely for EU to make an extreme turn on them due to their energy dependency on Russia

[thorny steeple]

The video seems to ask random people in the street. I'm not trying to say their testimonial is unreliable though, but I'd be skeptical given contradictory citations. For example, Israel itself admits their tanks have shot many of its civilians during Oct. 7th.
Another one made by Nir Hasson in Haaretz, which is an Israeli newspaper of record, admitted Israeli forces murdering Israeli citizens and hostages. Another one is made by Yasmin Porat describing Hamas militants treatment as "humanely" and later admitting Israeli forces did kill Israelis when she was held hostage by Hamas.

Furthermore, I've detailed about Israeli former hostages testifying that Hamas did treat them nicely.
#🧠｜serious-chat message
#🧠｜serious-chat message

So, it seems unlikely that they want to be nice and also want to kill children in my opinion. I'm not trying to say Hamas is cute though, just saying there is no sufficient evidence backing up the allegation of intentional killing of children and babies. Noteworthy, Israel did claim Hamas beheaded babies, but this claim has long be debunked too, as well as other fake news propagated by ZAKA org.

[feral river]

I would say that's because their national interest to fight against Russia not because Russia is not a democratic or something

[dense agate]

personally, this is a regarded move for them to take frozen assets and give it to Ukraine

[feral river]

that was all pretext used for justify a campaign to fight against Russia

they don't give any shit to what Russia will be but how to deal with Russia

[feral river]

dude they are terrorists there's no need to explain anything and there's only one sovereign state in this region which is state of Israel

[dense agate]

i don't think EU wants to fight Russia but at the same time they don't want it to cause instability in the area.
a Russia that seeks to expand it's sphere of influence is a threat to EU

[feral river]

what state of Israel is doing to accommodate the war on terror by their own ways to deal with terrorists

long live for war on terror

that's my personal opinion

[void arch]

put it in that place

[feral river]

well yeah but things are not so complex than you think, EU has its own considerations but mostly the pressure is coming from the Ukraine and the US not Russia

[prisma cipher]

They don't understand that. when we fight Chechen US say they just freedom fighters.

[feral river]

it's the US pressuring EU to supply Ukraine and start militarization process to lease the burden of the US's defense duty

[feral river]

who the hell gives a shit to what they says ? Chechen is always part of Russia

[void arch]

chechen are free anyway that works

[feral river]

Ukraine is part of Russia according to you guys well if you can do that

[prisma cipher]

After 9/11 they change their mind, a bit

[feral river]

if you annexed Ukraine I would say that's part of you guys

that's the truth lol

[feral river]

that's why Biden just shipped their weapons to Israel

very good job for counter terrorism

that's our common mission

terrorism will be eliminated completely

[void arch]

keep ranting on

[hollow light]

If you go to land, occupy it, kill children, suffer the people and creat a chaos then you shouldnt talk about why people fighting against you

[dense agate]

idk man, the way i see it, the war on terror was a failed mission with a +8 trillion dollar price tag

[thorny steeple]

This news has also been criticized. Especially, given that it has also been propagated by ZAKA org, a government-funded organization in Israeli, which is known for its propaganda of the 40 beheaded babies. In my opinion, it would also be a very extraordinary claim that Hamas committed systematic rape and sexual violence against Israelis. The notion of rape and sexual violence itself clashes sharply with Hamas's doctrine.

[void arch]

are u paragmatic too?

[feral river]

no idea you gather fighters and carrying out a bunch of terrorist attacks against a regional power while talking some shit and blame on your enemy

you are done bro they will be eliminated very soon

[dense agate]

i try to remain consistent with realism

[feral river]

and they don't want to be responsible with their actions ? no problem Israel will enforce it

to let you know what will happen if you did something like that

[hollow light]

Who is terrorist? Taliban? Im not supporter of neither Afgans nor Taliban but since exiting America from Afganistan people are more better than before

[feral river]

Hamas

Hamas, Hezbollah all terrorists

[void arch]

realism do not require pragmatism

[thorny steeple]

Especially when he keeps talking about taking responsibility of one's actions.

[hollow light]

At least they die with honor
Not like who shitting in their pants

[dense agate]

realism is just the theory, it's application (realpolitik) does require pragmatism

[feral river]

especially till now you know what's going on and that's your bill

pay it

[void arch]

pragmatism in which sense?

[feral river]

lol I see the guy shitting in their pants just shipped some billions of dollars worth weapons to bomb the shit out of these terrorists

[hollow light]

America every year losing power and becoming less powerful

[feral river]

our job is send those not-afraid of death bastards to the hell - MacArthur

see those terrorists honor in the hell

[hollow light]

And still cant defeat a bunch of terrorist who have only a Ak

[shy summit]

Ex-fucking-cuse me?

[void arch]

according to who??

[feral river]

I see if they will or not

some F-22 you know pretty beautiful when it's on the sky

[hollow light]

Bro Israel has f35 and f15 and still cant defeat those territories
Skill issue

[void arch]

stop taking Mincraft bullshit seriously

[shy summit]

Those are air combat vehicles…..

[feral river]

idk if they want to delay the war anyway

[void arch]

used to bomb civilians

[feral river]

I remember if there's a type used for drop bombs for F-22

or maybe I'm wrong ?

[thorny steeple]

As I've previously proved, Israel is disliked by most Arabs in the Middle East. So, why don't I see you talking about how Israel should take responsibility of the hostility it caused in the region? Their safety is far-fetched with their criminality, even if they kill every single Palestinian, there would still be millions of Arabs to get rid of, and 2 billion Muslim who wants to free Al-Aqsa mosque. Why doesn't Israel taking responsibility for that? You seem to have very apparent double-standards.

[hollow light]

F15e is air-land fighter jet

[dense agate]

a state is considered to be a rational entity, and when we say they pragmatically pursue their interests -like when it comes to survival and keeping sovereignty- we mean that decisions should be made based on what will maximize power and/or security, rather than ethical or ideological reasons.
so it also helps us avoid idealism, since there would be compromises that reflect the realities of power politics.

[hollow light]

Ha ha yes im sure they want to keep fighting yes
Someones were saying Puting can defeat Ukrain now but he doesnt want

[shy summit]

Israel is of course doing atrocious shit, but I can’t go 24 hours without someone popping up in P&R and saying they should murder Israeli civies as justice.

Let’s not pretend the sympathy for either side isn’t motivated by ethnic violence, usually religious in nature.

[void arch]

dont u think that lead to the idea of the end justify the mean ...

[feral river]

what are you talking about ?

they have the ultimate authority over their territory

[shy summit]

No its just assumed that states are rational actors

[dense agate]

yes, it can lead to this

[void arch]

thats horrible in moral sense

[feral river]

they can dismantle any mosque they want lol it's none out your business

[shy summit]

So is advocating for killing people for buying a house from the gov and living in it

[dense agate]

yes it can be, that's why morals and politics don't mix well

[hollow light]

Bro no body has issues with jewish
Muslims has problmes with zionists wich who want to kill Palestinian people and occupy their land

[thorny steeple]

At this point, we're going in circles. This response is neither relevent, nor is it even meaningful as I've previously detailed.
#🧠｜serious-chat message
#🧠｜serious-chat message

[dense agate]

and that's a good thing to some extent

[hollow light]

@void arch ah brother

[feral river]

there's only one sovereign state in this region

[manic juniper]

Cyprus

[void arch]

keep ranting on

[manic juniper]

🇨🇾

[feral river]

well yeah true

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/thisiscyprus-cyprus-cypruspapers-gif-18786264

[shy summit]

You should come listen to the vile shit I hear people say about making civilians fear for their children’s lives, how they will kill them in righteous justice.

[hollow light]

North

[feral river]

there's only one sovereign state in Cyprus

[manic juniper]

Recognised by one country

[feral river]

very good and accurate

[void arch]

thats lead to many controversial topics about corruption, morality, religion and a lot ... as a result its not harmonic theory .. it opens the door for unwanted idoelogies

[hollow light]

And these one country is enouph to silence whole Europe

[manic juniper]

There is no country there, it's just colonised territory

[hollow light]

You can just doing embargoes

[manic juniper]

It's funny how you dislike Israel but proceed to defend colonised territory just because it's Turkish

[hollow light]

And it’s doesnt matter Turkey can do his own war planes

[manic juniper]

Not even the native Cypriot Turks like the settlers sent by Turkey to occupy empty houses in Cyprus

[hollow light]

Yes I know there is only one country

[dense agate]

that's why pragmatism is king, and adopting certain values or sets of morals as foreign policy would very likely backfire, like how US liberalism caused harm in Iraq and Afghanistan even though the intentions were good

[manic juniper]

🇨🇾

[hollow light]

The difference Turkey dont kill children and women as what Israel doing and Greece has done

[feral river]

wym by harm that's counter terrorism

[manic juniper]

Lmfaooo they invented the word "genocide" because of Turkey

[feral river]

dude that's part of war on terror well-documented

[dense agate]

cough cough armenia

[feral river]

remove saddam from power and fight against talibans

[dense agate]

here is a good solution

[feral river]

not so good as you think lmao

[hollow light]

Show it to me
Erdogan said to Armenia and Greece to showing this “document” and they didnt accept

[feral river]

what ?

[hollow light]

Prove it

[feral river]

it's against the current policy that they will annex the Gaza and West Bank completely

[hollow light]

https://www.tccb.gov.tr/haberler/410/31964/biz-arsivlerimizi-acmaya-haziriz-ermenistan-da-acsin

read with translate, this official page

[void arch]

they cant believe that there are ppl adopt such values like prohibition of killing innocent people during wars

[manic juniper]

A document from the Turkish government, surely it won't be biased

[hollow light]

They thinking we are like them

[void arch]

that s why it s dangerous theory

[manic juniper]

He is denying multiple genocides

[void arch]

yes brother

[thorny steeple]

May i ask to what's the current topic so I may throw my hat into the ring

[dense agate]

are you actually asking for resources about that genocide ?

[dense agate]

realism ? lel

[void arch]

go bring us an alternative disprove it

[void arch]

yes

[dense agate]

wait wait, are you saying armenian genocide didn't happen

[feral river]

well... ?

[hollow light]

Then show a document from your country

As you red, Erdogan called a 100 president and vice president

24 Nisan Türkiye’ye gelen 100’e yakın devlet başkanı, başbakan, bakanlar, büyükelçiler orada ne yapıldığını gayet iyi görecekler

[dense agate]

it's the most practical one, idealism doesn't work

[hollow light]

Then how you will prove it? You will say something you heard from your grandma?

[dapper laurel]

100% israel and 100% Palestine, like the hypostasis

[dense agate]

i assume this isn't the first time you hear someone mention Armenian genocide, do you have any idea why people believe such thing happened ?

[void arch]

its not when u disregard many fundamental traits of the human rice like mortality... idealism can work bcz there no objective way to do that ... all of them end up in horrible way

[void arch]

three in one

[hollow light]

kağıt yok döküman yok arşiv yok mezar yok ceset yok bunu kanıtlayan tek bir şey yok.
You just want to create a great Armenia thats why you keep talking about it

[dapper laurel]

Yes

You got it mate

[hollow light]

Why I wrote it in Turkish?

[manic juniper]

I don't speak Turkish

[hollow light]

Wtf

[hollow light]

My problem just one second

[dense agate]

idealism doesn't work, it's like you look at the Israel-palestine conflict from Palestine's perspective, the ideal solution would be that Israel ceases from existence, basing a foreign policy on that would take them nowhere

[dapper laurel]

It's your fault

🤷🏼

[manic juniper]

Most people don't deny the Armenian genocide, the alternative would be denial which is very common from Turkey

Report of the ICTJ on the Armenian genocide

[dense agate]

yes, i was paid by the PKK to promote the idea of Greater Armenian state

[void arch]

appeling to autority is logical fallacy u know that ??

[hollow light]

There is no paper, no document, no archive, no grave, no body, there is nothing to prove it @manic juniper

[manic juniper]

I literally sent the report

[manic juniper]

Literally just sent the report

[hollow light]

No you just one who believe in everything government said

[manic juniper]

These people are insufferable

[dense agate]

i didn't hear this from the government

[void arch]

let me read

[dense agate]

which consiperacy source is next on your script ?

[manic juniper]

There was no grave for the Jews killed in the Holocaust either, why would the Nazis give them graves? They didn't like Jews

[hollow light]

From where from a tiktok account?

[manic juniper]

That's simply stupid

[dense agate]

again wrong

[hollow light]

Ummmmm…

[manic juniper]

What kind of genocider gives a grave to the people they murdered?

[dapper laurel]

I think some lands in present day Türkiye are historically Armenian and Armenians have every right to claim them, as Kurds and Greeks could do

[manic juniper]

Yeah, it was called Western Armenia, unfortunately nothing is left of it today and it's a dead nation

[hollow light]

Mass grave? They dont have to do graves by using marble

They cant burn the dead bodies by acid

[dapper laurel]

Some Turks present in those areas retain some Armenian DNA, they are simply a stateless people

[hollow light]

They must do a mass grave

[dense agate]

Armenia was shrunk in size because of the genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Kurds are still there but any promotion of their independence is suppressed

[void arch]

summary pls

[manic juniper]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14754830903110285
☠️

[dense agate]

if we lived in an ideal world, this should be modern anatolia

[manic juniper]

You can hide your mass graves in Turkey, too bad you genocided them in Syria as well

[dense agate]

it satisfies all the parties

[manic juniper]

Maybe you shouldn't have if you wished to hide it

[manic juniper]

The Armenian genocide happened

[hollow light]

Turks came, implemented the “settlement policy”, took the Turks and settled them in Armenia and Greece, so there is Turkish DNA in the Greeks and Armenians

I tried to explain it clear as I can

Read about “iskan politikasi”

[dapper laurel]

The Turks think that the Kurds rebelled because the Americans supported them and that before that everything was rosy. Turks don't understand that if they oppress foreign peoples, the result will always be riots or very high crime rates because the people of those lands don't trust the state

[dapper laurel]

Lel, you have their DNA lil bro

DNA can't be replaced, you just changed their language and culture, but they're Greeks and Armenians by blood, you can't change that

[dense agate]

that's true. Kurds are a sensitive topic in the middle east, since other countries have minorities of kurds (syria, iran, iraq), so they're all teaming up against suppressing any of creating a kurdish state, since none of them want to cease territory to them

[hollow light]

I want to ask you
If there is no Turk dna in Anatolia, who was fucking “they” for 1000 years?

[hollow light]

Read about Iskan Politikasi

[dapper laurel]

I never said that there is no Turkish DNA in Türkiye, but that it simply mixed with Greek, Armenian and Arabic DNA

[thorny steeple]

mam can you give me the debate summary ?

[dense agate]

trigger incoming

[void arch]

Yes, the Armenian Genocide is widely recognized by historians and scholars as a historical fact. During World War I, the Ottoman Empire, led by the Young Turk government, systematically targeted its Armenian population through massacres, forced deportations, and starvation, resulting in the deaths of over one million Armenians12.

Primary sources, including eyewitness accounts, diaries, and contemporary newspaper reports, provide substantial evidence of these atrocities13. For instance, The New York Times extensively covered the events in 1915, describing them as a "campaign of race extermination"1. Additionally, the term “genocide” itself was coined by Raphael Lemkin, inspired in part by the atrocities committed against the Armenians2.

Despite this, the Turkish government has historically denied that these events constituted a genocide12. However, the overwhelming consensus among historians and numerous countries’ official recognitions affirm the occurrence of the Armenian Genocide12.

If you have any more questions or need further details, feel free to ask!

AI

[dapper laurel]

And, believe it or not, Arabs had a huge genetic impact on your land

[hollow light]

So what? Also in their dna there is Turkic dnas
Doesnt matter

[hollow light]

In some cities

And it doesnt matter

If he work for Turkey and love his country isnt a problem

[dapper laurel]

The good thing is that the genetic impact of foreign peoples on your country is also reflected in your culture

[void arch]

bro forget about the past and focus on reality

[dense agate]

bro's adopting realism

[manic juniper]

Someone said there was no genocide on Armenians and other people, so I sent a document that provided an analysis

[hollow light]

So what do you want? Also to kill them or what?

[void arch]

i think the relation between turkey and Armenia is quite improving

[dense agate]

???

buddy look at the last war between armenia and Azerbaijan

[manic juniper]

Lmfaooo

[hollow light]

The documents you brought from news sites funded by Germany are unimportant. Why didn't they come when Erdogan called on Armenia to open the archives?

[dapper laurel]

I want you to free them and go back to central Asia

[hollow light]

After this war*

[dapper laurel]

Joke

[void arch]

no bro

[hollow light]

And not improving, just stabilising

[hollow light]

No

[manic juniper]

What archives? Do you think their government is hiding it?

[hollow light]

I cant leave ISTANBUUUUL

[manic juniper]

https://www.mfa.am/en/genocide

[hollow light]

You cant hid something doesnt exist

[void arch]

the claims of the historians and news paper report... cant be taken seriously ... when u know the fact who wins write history

[hollow light]

Polish-jewish…

[manic juniper]

Yes, so?

[dapper laurel]

🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷 Istanbul or Constantinople 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷?

[hollow light]

Even in that case they dont have any archive

[manic juniper]

There were plenty of Jews in Poland until 1945

[dense agate]

Kurdastinople

[hollow light]

Nothing just funny

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/kurdish-flag-kurdistan-flag-flags-kurds-kurd-gif-13572098

[feral river]

holy crap

[manic juniper]

The true ending

[hollow light]

Istanbul since 1453

[feral river]

another non-existing state appeared

[dapper laurel]

I can't believe you said that. Do you think this is a Jewish conspiracy theory?

[hollow light]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-laughing-hysterically-gif-26398146

[dense agate]

this guy is a troll le l

[void arch]

they came by ships to isreal

[manic juniper]

Just like the Turks in Cyprus then

[dense agate]

not when they got Atakurd on their side

[manic juniper]

"Nooo we don't do that, we are moral, we don't kill women and children"

[hollow light]

They are welcome to Palestine we dont have any problem with them
We just want dont kill the muslim babies

[void arch]

maybe

[feral river]

I prefer Italitanbulnople

[void arch]

still true untill u find out the opposite

[manic juniper]

Constantinople under the Latin Empire

[dense agate]

who's Trukey bombing in Syria ?

[manic juniper]

I literally showed proof of the genocide

[dapper laurel]

The funny part is that, after years of separation, Northern Cyprus is still an underdeveloped "country"

[void arch]

yes

[void arch]

isis maybe

[hollow light]

You know, yes we did I LOT OF GENOCIDES
Thats way you must leave Cyprus to Turkey then we dont kill you

[dapper laurel]

Naaah, we created Constantinople, so the name remains the same

[manic juniper]

And most of the Turks in Northern Cyprus are settlers that the native Cypriot Turks don't like either

[dense agate]

yes buddy, you're completely and utterly clueless

[manic juniper]

Turkey is a paper tiger, they would fold if they tried to invade us

[void arch]

enlight us

[hollow light]

Bro I have a looot of Syrian friends in Turkey and till now I didnt anybody saying Turkey bombed Syria. Against of it, Turkey supoorting people and öso in Syria against Bashar Assad

[dapper laurel]

Naaaaaah, you're not just bombing them, you've also invaded a portion of their territory to the north 👍🏻

[hollow light]

We entered Syria and Iraq, we took Cyprus and defeated Armenia and also finished pkk in Turkic lands

Alhdamulillah we keep doing well in defense industry

[hollow light]

Yes we took to dont America creat a terrorist state in North
And we didnt bomb them
If you want watch on internet what happening there

[void arch]

governments do whatever they desire and we are here trying to hold accountability over them

[manic juniper]

You can only do well against countries without a government or a military, what's even the point of bragging

[dense agate]

look up Turkey's safe zone alongside the the syrian border and put it in relation to the syrian-kurdish armed militias (who are btw figthing ISIS)

[manic juniper]

That's like Israel bragging about defeating Palestine when they don't even have a functional military

Or a centralised government

[hollow light]

Year by year… Turkey become stronger

[manic juniper]

The inflation is devouring your country alive 🤣

[dense agate]

you not hearing about the bombings from the syrians you know = it didn't happen

[manic juniper]

You'll have to pay half of your monthly salary just for a piece of bread in some years

[hollow light]

Bro the problem Israel cant defeat this little army of Palestine, they just bombing children

[dapper laurel]

You need to bomb them, you need immigrants and a cheap workforce to sustain your declining economy

[dense agate]

there is a reason why the US has military bases inside the areas controlled by Krudish fighters in Syria

[hollow light]

Thats way we stopped buying from America, we making our own weapons

[manic juniper]

The Turkish economy is ran by someone with an high school diploma on economics

There is no way you can run a country that badly otherwise

[hollow light]

I dont thin Turkey need 15m immigrants to work
We are just a country has honor not like someones who bombing children

[hollow light]

The gdp is rising

[void arch]

stop attcking ppl ur just ruining the discussion

[hollow light]

[void arch]

not u bro

[hollow light]

I dont know

[void arch]

what u dont know?

[manic juniper]

So is Ireland's, increasing GDP doesn't mean much when it sucks per capita

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-turk-turkish-turkish-guy-turkish-car-gif-26466884

[hollow light]

Im very anxious
Turkey every year buying a lot of tons gold

I hope Turkey dont get into any war

[dense agate]

they're already involved in conflicts

[void arch]

brics is rising

to save the world

from the big brother US

[dapper laurel]

They have no future as an alliance

[hollow light]

I know people a little bit suffering
Because of wests embargoes

But now we dont need anymore to your product
We making our weapons

[weary belfry]

türkiye will enter into any war sooner or later

[hollow light]

And also we sell to you

[hollow light]

I hope no

[weary belfry]

+1

[void arch]

narrations

[dapper laurel]

They are just a collection of underdeveloped states that have few common interests, in a maximum of twenty years there will no longer be any bloc opposed to the United States

[manic juniper]

Is that why Turkey is still in NATO and trading with the EU? So much for self sufficiency

[void arch]

we ll see mate

[manic juniper]

Their only common interest is not using the US dollar, that's pretty much it. It's a team of countries that hate someone rather than loving each other

Unlike the EU where we mostly like each other

And we don't hate the UK for leaving either

[hollow light]

We need time bro
Isnt easy to make a 5th waplane bu yourself
America and his allies couldnt do f35 for years

[void arch]

there is no love when a country dominant the world especially when u have many advantages

[dapper laurel]

I love my European brothers, I hope that one day there will be a European confederation

[void arch]

like making the dollar as the a unified currency

[hollow light]

Dont you realise america is becoming powerless?

[manic juniper]

It's just a myth

[void arch]

did u know how America stole coutries s gold

[manic juniper]

Americans have worse living standards because of unregulated capitalism but the country isn't getting weaker, that's just wishful thinking

Other countries are facing much worse right now

[hollow light]

A myth?
America isnt stronger like 20 year ago
Now think about after 20 years

[manic juniper]

From declining birth rates to rampant inflation and corruption

[manic juniper]

Most other countries aren't either

[dapper laurel]

Their population is growing as is their economy, they have one of the strongest militaries in the world and strong allies with developed economies. There will be a clash between the blocks of power and here we know very well who will win

[hollow light]

Turkey before 20 years was a state who cant defeat the terrorist in his lands

[manic juniper]

They're still incapable of that after 20 years

Maybe in 20 years these "terrorists" will have an independent state within Turkey's borders

[hollow light]

Yes its the number one for now, and for many years
But its getting worse

[hollow light]

Now there is no pkk in Turkey
Turkey now focusing on Iraq and Syria to finish pkk completely

[dense agate]

they can't do anything to them while US bases are still in kurdish territories, or are you suggesting Turkey fighting the US ?

[void arch]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twitter-monkey-sad-depressed-bored-gif-14632661802414689947

[hollow light]

Fighting pkk, read about Pençe Kilit operasyonu

Us is losing power in middle east. They were stronger and by years America will not a problem to Turkey and other countries in middle east
Did you watch what Trump said?

[weary belfry]

why did the first sentence seem sus to me? has Türkiye ever been purged of pkk

[dense agate]

US is intentionally moving from the middle east to focus on China, yet their military bases remain next to the Kurds in Syria, and turkey keeps complaining about it

[hollow light]

Yes Turkey did
Now Turkey just fighting with pkk in Iraq

[dense agate]

PKK and Kurdish militias are still there

not just in turkey

[hollow light]

Ülkede terörist kalmadı zaten.
Bütün pkk temizlendi ve şu an kökten bitirmek için sınır ötesi harekat düzenliyorlar @weary belfry

[void arch]

have a great day

all

[hollow light]

As I said, by years

[hollow light]

الله يجزيك خير حبيبي مع السلامة

[dense agate]

you're free to speculate all you want

[weary belfry]

hmmm,i have a feeling that there will always be PKK in türkiye. i dont think we have gotten rid of them (im talkin abt PKK within the borders of Türkiye)

[hollow light]

Thanks
But these are facts. Look at gulf war. From these years to now, how much power america did lose?

[void arch]

لا تأخذ المناقشة على محمل الجد فهي لا تستحق... وداعا حبيبي أراك لاحقا

[dense agate]

there are no facts here, only interpretations

[hollow light]

In Turkey pkk will still as politicans not as soldiers

[dense agate]

i can tell you the US wants to move on from the middle east to focus on curbing China their actual adversary, you'll read that as them giving up

[hollow light]

ولا يهمك حبيبي مع السلام نلقاق على خير

[hollow light]

YES BRO AMERICA WILL BE GREAT AGAIN YES

[dense agate]

cringe

[hollow light]

I know

[hollow light]

And we came and destroy all of it

[void arch]

no we didnt bro

hahahah

[manic juniper]

Yes, you destroyed the Middle East and the Balkans, not something I'd be proud of

[void arch]

they should thank us god commanded us not to destroy building or place of worship during wars

[hollow light]

We brought something better
I will not explain the civilisation of Ottomans

[hollow light]

Where are you from?

[weary belfry]

hmmm, okay, got this. diff perspective

[gusty apex]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Allah ﷻ says in the Quran:

”فَسْـَٔلُوٓا۟ أَهْلَ ٱلذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُون“
”So ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know”
-# (Surah An-Nahl, Ayah 43)

[hollow light]

Not as they did in Balkan wasr…

[gusty apex]

oh sorry wrong server

[gusty apex]

or trees

[hollow light]

Nusayr brother welcome

[manic juniper]

Finland

[hollow light]

We are not brownnnnn 😠😠😠

[manic juniper]

They were turned into mosques, that's why

[void arch]

bro who wins write history

[gusty apex]

May Allah enrich you out of his bounty

[hollow light]

Bro you didnt have a chance to destroy anything, “historyless”??

[manic juniper]

Just because we were occupied and destroyed by others doesn't mean we have no history

[hollow light]

Amin inshallah wa iyyakum

[manic juniper]

I'm not a stupid nationalist so I don't really care about the past

[dense agate]

nationalism is aids

and super cringe

[manic juniper]

People that have no future only care about the past, that's how it is

[hollow light]

Hahshhahahaha thats exactly mean it

[void arch]

we can do so but we cant exaggerate to the point where no churches ... the fact there still churches prove my point.... so where is the oldest church???

[manic juniper]

Their countries have no future so they would rather cry about the long gone past

[gusty apex]

WE Muslims during war aren't allowed to do 8 things

[manic juniper]

There are no churches in Saudi Arabia

[gusty apex]

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saw the corpse of a woman who had been slain in one of the raids, and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children.

[formal pilot]

Globalism will only benifit the elites

[hollow light]

Yes you are completely true
We are only muslims not much

[formal pilot]

Alhamdulillah

[manic juniper]

Those without a future only care about the past

[gusty apex]

how many christians in saudi?????? Saudi had many churches but tehy died out even tho muslims allowed it (to remain)

[manic juniper]

Isn't it prohibited to build churches in Saudi Arabia? Lol

[void arch]

it s an aspect of pragmatism

[hollow light]

I want to see what will happen in eu because of Russia and east blok

Eu trying create a new armies and America doesnt look like will help Europe

[dense agate]

saying you're anti nationalism instantly means you're pro globalism, thank you

[hollow light]

No, just in Kaaba you cant build churches and Madina

[void arch]

hahahahhahahahha

[manic juniper]

Lol

[gusty apex]

thats the thing, there is no sizeable christian community that would, if that was the case you could build

[feral river]

lol

nationalism will benefit the folks ?

[formal pilot]

Lmao my bad

[manic juniper]

2 millions out of 30 aren't sizeable I guess

[feral river]

lmao

[gusty apex]

Expats

so more hindus in saudi than mauritus

[dense agate]

buddy, don't act regarded, be nice and go back to what realism and pragmatism means.
a small hint, something related to ideologies

[manic juniper]

Don't they have a right to a place of worship? 2 millions are a lot of people

[gusty apex]

'Do not embezzle the wealth of spoils and do not deceive a people'
'Do not mutilate the enemy dead'
'Do not kill women and children, nor religious recluses. ...
'Create peace in the land and treat the people with benevolence'
'Do not harm that which they consider to be sacred'
'Do not cut down a fruitful tree'

[dense agate]

copy pasta

[manic juniper]

Are Hindus allowed to have a temple?

[void arch]

nationalism requires some aspects of pragmatism

[formal pilot]

In a country you only have to compete with other poors

In globalistic system you would have to compete with all the poors

[feral river]

what was that shit ?

[formal pilot]

I like Chinese approach here, lil isolation is needed for survivor

[feral river]

oh yeah depends on what global system you are referring to

[gusty apex]

You see, those 2 millions aren't citizens or ppl living there. They are from other countries like hindus. In medina it was allowed to build churches and synagogues. But those people have either moved or converted. Any local people being chroistian would be allowed

[formal pilot]

@feral river why tf every new person here thinks you're a gal lmao

I've lurked some crazy messages

[feral river]

why tf I would give a shit to that ?

are you my fucking taxpayer ?

wait

you mean gal ? or girl ?

[formal pilot]

Girl female xx isfrun

[feral river]

I thought it was a freaking sexy stuff u know

[manic juniper]

If two millions are living in your country even temporarily you build houses for them
And it goes the same for churches and temples
Besides it was announced by the former minister of justice Muhammad Issa

It isn't a matter of people living there permanently or not, it's just illegal

[formal pilot]

Saudia arabia isn't secular country tho

[feral river]

maybe they will think better and realize im a transgender and they have no idea

[gusty apex]

You think they dont have rooms?

[manic juniper]

Yes, at least they're consistent. I have a problem with people denying it

Vatican City too prohibits building other places of worship as well

[formal pilot]

[manic juniper]

I was making an example, you don't just build houses for them

[dense agate]

you're saying ideals/ideology requires some aspects of pragmatism, by definition that's not true, since you'll have to make decisions according to thsoe ideals and not pragmatism which is based in practical reality.
but there are many nationalistic states that won't follow their set of values all the time and act according to pragmatism, especially in foreign policy

[formal pilot]

Yeah atleast they're consistent, eventually they'll build churches

To attract tourists

[manic juniper]

True

Hopefully they will have churches of Satan too

[void arch]

that what i meant

[feral river]

I don't see there's any state is practicing some pure ideological imagine on their own utopia

[manic juniper]

I bet that Minecraft agrees with all the core tenets of Satanism

[void arch]

There are no official exceptions to the rule prohibiting the construction of churches in Saudi Arabia. The country enforces a strict interpretation of Islamic law, which only allows the public practice of Islam. This means that non-Muslim religious buildings, including churches, cannot be constructed or openly operated anywhere in Saudi Arabia.

However, non-Muslims are allowed to practice their religion privately within their homes or in private gatherings. While this private practice is tolerated, it must be done discreetly and without attracting public attention.

AI

[feral river]

even North Korea is doing a good job to improve its economy and prevent famine

[void arch]

However, non-Muslims are allowed to practice their religion privately within their homes or in private gatherings. While this private practice is tolerated, it must be done discreetly and without attracting public attention.

[dense agate]

if you'd convince him satan has nukes, he's worshiping

[feral river]

lol it's the first time i ever heard this

what is Satanism btw

[manic juniper]

Why the last part?

[void arch]

there are ppl believe in this shit ... and cant relate to other beliefs

[formal pilot]

Minecraft can't be it
Look at the first point lmao

[manic juniper]

Maybe not with 1, 7 or 10 but he would agree with the others

[void arch]

meaning they can practice their religion .... its a national law of the country ... if u didnt like the country dont go to work in it

[manic juniper]

I'm asking why can't they attract public attention?

Do you apply that to France too and its restrictions on wearing hijab?

[void arch]

what ??? ask france ??

[manic juniper]

I'm talking about Saudi Arabia there

[void arch]

religion practices has nothing to do with the style of wearing

[manic juniper]

It's a religious practice

[formal pilot]

💀

[void arch]

the law say u can wear anything ... except bieng nude

i can wear a pikini whats the prblm

i can wear Spiderman suit too

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-racer-flr-gif-25498963

[void arch]

u can disprove it

[manic juniper]

You didn't tell me why attracting public attention is not allowed

[thorny steeple]

mf

[formal pilot]

She's saying if you do not question the Saudia arabia for not allowing to built churches, you don't have the right to question France on banning hijab

[manic juniper]

Why is it illegal?

[formal pilot]

Stop unfriending me you toothpaste eater

[manic juniper]

I can say that in France's case they have no basis for prohibiting religious attire as long as it doesn't make identification impossible

[void arch]

it is not me who determines laws of a country ... meaning u have to accept it

[manic juniper]

I'm asking for an opinion, do you think it's the same as France banning hijabs on the workplace?

[formal pilot]

What's your views on it?

Ban @thorny steeple he's haram

[void arch]

2 separated things

[manic juniper]

In my opinion as long as it's not the beekeeper-like attires (that could be used akin to masks for criminal operations) there are no reasons to ban any, like hijabs, veils, turbans...

[formal pilot]

Na both of em are suppressing freedom of expression

[void arch]

it s completly deff u can wear anything except being nude

[manic juniper]

I guess you have no opinions on it

[formal pilot]

Habibi come to France

[manic juniper]

Or you don't like to have an opinion

[formal pilot]

Sounds responsible to me

[void arch]

go check law

[manic juniper]

Some people are spineless

[formal pilot]

Yeah it was passed in 2011

[void arch]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/clothing-laws-by-state

check this

[manic juniper]

It's about USA

[void arch]

https://www.amnesty.org/es/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ior400222010en.pdf

[void arch]

i proved my point that u can wear anything u want

[formal pilot]

I'm not going to teach you how to google lol

[formal pilot]

Tell this to french Olympic team

[manic juniper]

You have no point, because I asked for an opinion and you only pointed to "These are the laws"

It's legit spineless behaviour

I gave my opinion on the subject twice

[formal pilot]

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/22/nx-s1-5043751/france-olympics-hijab-ban-amnesty-international

[void arch]

sure but u have to know i have disproven ur claim about seeing hijab as baning churches from SA , bcz the law of wearing is clearly againt it , since it approves wearing anything

[feral river]

7 out of 11 disagreed

[manic juniper]

I didn't talk about churches though, I asked about "attracting public attention" what's that?

[void arch]

they can do what they want idc

[formal pilot]

What about point 9?

[void arch]

are hijab and baning churches separated things ???

ill answer u

[manic juniper]

🤦🏼‍♀️ I asked about public attention... Nevermind

[void arch]

answer mine

i alr tell u its a national law

[manic juniper]

When you have two millions Christians then yes, they are almost on the same level

[void arch]

i cant change it

[manic juniper]

I didn't ask you to change it

[void arch]

are hijab and baning churches separated things ???

[formal pilot]

Is it right or wrong in your opinion??

[manic juniper]

🤦🏼‍♀️

[formal pilot]

Or you support the national law only

[manic juniper]

I wonder if his teachers had to repeat the same thing four times as well

428 members

[formal pilot]

Wtf

I wish I was blind

[void arch]

in my opinion it's misinterpretation and misusing of power ... everyone has the right of expression and practice his religion freely within limits of respect ,tolerance, and safety of others...