🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

I even installed it, that means I can get a flight as a illegal ?

[thorny steeple]

Nothing serious today

[feral river]

What the fuck

That means if I just get to the border of Mexico and apply this stupid form I can just get into the US without VISA ?

How does that even possible or make sense for a lawful status document for illegal immigrants ?

Omg I’m going to get to the Mexican border one day

And just apply this piece of shit I can get a legal status and stay in the US forever

It’s even more complicated and expensive for apply a US visa

[rose eagle]

Real?

[limpid creek]

Can I interview someone here for my school work?

[brisk pulsar]

Those places look pretty warm to me. There are polar bears where I live.

[jaunty lark]

hey there I need an advice from a person that is good at speaking

[shy summit]

It’s not this simple. Residency and stuff more complex

[jaunty lark]

I can understand English clearly but when I speak I'm very hesitant and struggle to remember vocab

what can i do to improve myself and fast

[shy summit]

Talk only in english, listen to shows in english

[smoky pagoda]

[dense agate]

it does, it's a WOW raid tactic written (more like spammed) by some chinese players in the team

[feral river]

btw are you in favor of some indulge policies that encourage immigrants to come into the US no matter it's an illegal one ?

[shy summit]

No one is.

[feral river]

now I just realized how big deal of illegal immigration benefit the US.

[shy summit]

Its not

[feral river]

I mean the state economy not the people

[shy summit]

They don’t get state bennefits

[feral river]

they become the cheap labor in US, pay taxes to IRS, facilitate the economy cycling which really axe the price of the goods

if you expel all of them back to their country, you gonna lose enormous economy benefit from these guys

also that's a problem to enforce the deportation order by the federal government

and no matter what you wanna say, what they are literally doing I mean the democratics, they just do nothing to illegal immigration and keep grant green cards to them

[shy summit]

If they have green cards then they are legal. Not illegal.

You can’t get a green card easily if you’re not documented

We had a bill to tighten security and Trump killed the bill

[feral river]

well actually they can, under certain circumstances, they literally have a lot of path to be legal in the US

and in general case, we just have 2 categories of illegal immigrants which is respectively, one was collected its biological information like after the fill of the DS-160 form and storing the biological data while you are applying for a US visa, another one was just illegally crossed the border.

once they are already in the US, they have few options to be legal through the legal way or illegal way

the common way was seeking asylum, marry with a US citizen, family based legalize process or just keep illegal and someday being caught and request the removal of the deportation order

and some unusually case that is definitely illegal like obtain a fake birth certification

and if your biological data was already collected by the US government, you can't use the fake birth certification to apply for a US passport

also I heard of the driver license is quite prevalent to use as your ID or proof of some of your information so is that really necessary to obtain a SSN ?

I don't think you need SSN to obtain a driver license, basically if you got a driver license of the US, you can literally stay here forever but you can't leave the US

[thorny steeple]

My cat's biological data is not in their database so if she committed a crime, it wouldn't be found?

[feral river]

if you left nothing in the crime scene then yes 🤷‍♂️

something could re-identify your biological data, included not limited to, hair, fingerprint etc.

US is not China in which you are required to get an ID to take a train or metro, apply a job, buying real estate etc.

[worn bolt]

👀

[dapper laurel]

@manic juniper

[true pebble]

😱

why ukraine is broke in the midle

[slow helm]

??

[midnight jasper]

do you mean israel?

[true pebble]

what

what you think about israel there

[midnight jasper]

In fact, Israel is playing all the other countries

[true pebble]

nah, i think it's just anti Semitic propaganda

[slow helm]

I wouldn't, wheres this going?

[true pebble]

world is more close of a conspiration against Israel than the inverse

[midnight jasper]

I don't know, dude, that might be the case

[true pebble]

literally impossible, israel is just a regional power

[slow helm]

Astagfirullah where did u come up with this??

[midnight jasper]

I hope not but things look like that

[true pebble]

what you think about israel today

in general

[feral river]

@shy summit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Senate_Bill_54_(2017)

this is crazy

[true pebble]

are you from china?

[dapper laurel]

No, Estonia is the rightful owner of the world

[midnight jasper]

The greatest power in the world, but secretly But I hope it's just my thoughts

[true pebble]

but what YOU think about it

[slow helm]

That never happened

[midnight jasper]

Wutt

[true pebble]

i'm curious

[midnight jasper]

????

What's that, buddy

[true pebble]

now she just left lmao

[midnight jasper]

what book is it

[slow helm]

Was getting other sources, keep quiet would u??I'd certainly not trust this source only

[true pebble]

nah, i will not keep quiet thank you

[slow helm]

@still urchin can u help out here? Is there any source that declines this allegation?

[slow helm]

Keep yapping and ill keep ignoring

[true pebble]

i'm not yapping, i just told that you left, like the same thing you did yesterday when i asked you about the fucking taliban flag on your profile

[slow helm]

Great now keep quiet like a good human, would u?

[true pebble]

😂 why are you so mad?

[slow helm]

I mean I've never heard about that before, plus I do know most Arabs are racist, experienced it
But I've never heard about that allegation

[slow helm]

I'm not, I'm chilling fr

[true pebble]

ok lol

damn this server is crazy

[still urchin]

i dont understand but bro it is interpretation of a dream

[slow helm]

I also didn't understand just saw sold slaves, plus Google is making it more complicated

[true pebble]

yes bro and everyone is just ignoring 😂

[slow helm]

@turbid ivy why are yall so bent on destroying prophet Muhammad SAW image?? I don't get it
Are most of you these jobless??

[dense agate]

fictional book A enjoyers vs fictional book B enjoyers, on who got the tiniest frontal lobe

a race to the bottom

[true pebble]

i know what this mfs did

I DON'T KNOW TOO BRO

[still urchin]

nah it is a dream of our prophet pbuh that means an epidemic gonna leave a place where the woman left and move to a place where the woman is heading

[true pebble]

there is a lot of muslins (almost all) that hate Al Qaeda and Taliban

[slow helm]

Oh so it's basically just a dream with a different meaning, got ya thanks child

End of discussion then

[still urchin]

urw mahmah

[balmy matrix]

who won

🔥

[slow helm]

Why lurking

[balmy matrix]

fun

[true pebble]

that was not even a debate

[balmy matrix]

u gotta start one

[slow helm]

We all have weird dreams with totally different meaning when interpreted, so don't even act ignorant in this case

[balmy matrix]

fr?

arabs aren't usually white

[slow helm]

Let's just leave it as he wasn't black

Nor brown

And so?

[balmy matrix]

" His face was neither fleshy nor plump, but it had a roundness; rosy white, with very dark eyes and long eyelashes. He was large-boned as well as broad shouldered, hairless except for a thin line that stretched down his chest to his navel. His hand and feet were coarse."

[balmy matrix]

google said

[grim ermine]

nah, All of people are equal according to the islamic religion

[slow helm]

Exactly

But this guy still claims in the eyes of prophet Muhammad SAW black people were slaves
How?? @turbid ivy do you even know who he is? Ever heard of stories about him
If u have you wouldn't say or assume one bad thing about him, have some respect

[void sierra]

that's a really serious chat..

[balmy matrix]

fr

[slow helm]

[void sierra]

don't be sad..

[slow helm]

I'm not...

@turbid ivy Yes, it is true that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) had slaves. This was a common practice during his time in the Arabian Peninsula. However, it's important to understand that the concept of slavery in the 7th century was significantly different from the transatlantic slave trade that occurred centuries later.
Here are some key points to consider:

• Historical context: Slavery was prevalent throughout the ancient world, including in Arab societies. It was often seen as a way to provide for those who were captured in war or sold into servitude.
• Islamic teachings: While Islam did not explicitly condemn slavery, it did set guidelines for the treatment of slaves, emphasizing their rights and encouraging their freedom.
• Personal actions: Prophet Muhammad (SAW) himself owned slaves, but he is also known for freeing many of them and treating them with kindness and respect.

What I got from a source

[shy summit]

Most religious institutions tend to be controlling of their women.

This isn’t unique to Islam.

[slow helm]

Might be true but then again he didn't treat them like how the slaves in africa were treated, he treated them like humans

[grim ermine]

look, the islamic religion doesn't take the "hadith" as a serious source because it can be edited and The Qur'an is the only authoritative source

[slow helm]

True and the Quran stated to treat one another equally

He freed some from the torment they would have faced if any slave masters bought one of them...

[grim ermine]

who told you that 😂

[slow helm]

No we don't, hadith is a saying or tradition attributed to the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
The Quran directly came from Allah so we follow the Quran and the hadith

Wheres the source that affirms this?...

[grim ermine]

Yeah I can just pretend to be a sheikh and say whatever I want about the islamic religion
don't trust anyone you see on social media

[slow helm]

Brother what's ur point with this

Who says I don't follow sunnah??

[grim ermine]

It's the same thing

[balmy matrix]

just being nerd 🤓 ☝️

[slow helm]

The words in Quran are just more to be taken important

Anyway @turbid ivy think whatever u want to, hopefully you'll stop trying to paint Prophet Muhammad SAW with a bad image, may God guide u to the right path.

@true pebble coward I saw that

[grim ermine]

قال الله تعالى فسبحان الله حين تمسون صلاة المغرب والعشاء وحين تصبحون صلاة الفجر وعشيا العصر وحين تظهرون الظهر

it says here that you have to pray everyday when the sunset and at noon and when the sunrise and afternoon

total 5 times

read what I have gave you

or tell your shikhs to translate it to you

[slow helm]

I just knew u was gonna bring this "child" stuff up

[grim ermine]

Surat Al-Rum

[manic juniper]

What about Shi'as

[slow helm]

Ur just interpreting ur sources wrong, like I said never heard of this before and I'm certainly not believing a Christian man's word especially one that doesn't like prophet Muhammad SAW

[grim ermine]

17

[slow helm]

"Commanded women to suckle grown up men" can u even comprehend what u just typed

[grim ermine]

about that, first We are in different times alright, and you weren't there to see if the girl or her father are not satisfied to this marriage

[neat sky]

daym did i just hear christianity being mocked

[grim ermine]

use some math bro

[slow helm]

Ur funny, that's the only thing you saw? Plus Christianity was never mocked

[neat sky]

good for you

[neat sky]

i would have dropped facts if you had

[slow helm]

Next time get some sense

[neat sky]

someones mad about

islam is trying to do the same stuff they did with countries like Iran

i hope sharia doesnt come up in europe

pedophilia, underage marriage, killing of children, humans eveyrthing belongs to islam no hate though

[dense agate]

isn't Europe secular ? no Christian nor Muslim nonsense

[neat sky]

europe has been christian

[slow helm]

Bruh I respect other people religion unlike yall that keeps talking shit about Islam, bfr and respect other people religion
Don't claim ur religion is peaceful without showing it

[neat sky]

secularism is just to make you feel its ok to be with soemthing you believe wrong

[dense agate]

didn't they cleanse themselves from Christian-centered ruling systems long ago

[neat sky]

sharia will cause more violence towards women

[grim ermine]

'As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well.'

🥱

[dense agate]

but also to separate the religion from the state, i don't have to state why they went this way, history shows

[slow helm]

@turbid ivy if you feel islam doesn't value the women, from which religion is rapist much???

[neat sky]

obv islam

[grim ermine]

their waiting period is three months

[slow helm]

Are u fr?? Lol bruh

[grim ermine]

so you have to wait until thier period begins

[neat sky]

haha funny cuz most girls get raped in arab countries

[slow helm]

Women in islam are allowed to kill their rapist

[neat sky]

havnt seen or heard about that

[dense agate]

read the sentence again, if im pro secularism how am i okay with shariah law or any other set of religious rules

[neat sky]

yeah i see many women killing their rapists

ahh

[slow helm]

That's a huge allegation bro, don't belive such stuffs, what's even wrong with u??

[manic juniper]

Why does he repeat the same things over and over

[neat sky]

yeah when facts get checked they become allegations

we respect your laws in your arab countries

but not in europe or other countries

[dense agate]

isn't rape happening everywhere ? and there isn't a single Arab country in the top highest 30 states in rape rate

[neat sky]

keep sharia and follow it in middle east

[manic juniper]

Of?

[grim ermine]

kids, when prophet mohammed when he took aicha as wife he didn't have sex with her until she turned the age of menstruated

[neat sky]

now rape takes place mostly in north america

especially these illegals taking over west

[dense agate]

are you retarded or unable to stop baiting ? im anti all religion-based systems of rules

[dense agate]

sure, im just pointing out your statement is just incorrect

[manic juniper]

If this is your prime then I don't want to imagine your lowest

[manic juniper]

Yes he is

[dense agate]

with all the copy-pasta you're constantly doing, i'm glad there is a room for you to think

[grim ermine]

take my advice bro and don't take your information just from websites against islam and read from islamic website also to be neutral 😉
also you could ask your shikh friends to explain these information (if you really have one)

[manic juniper]

Examples?

Cringe

[grim ermine]

yeah it's obvious

you mean hadith again 😔

[manic juniper]

Why would anyone believe what's written in the hadiths, they're a forgery

Because they're Sunni and those were hadiths forged by them, Shi'as tried to claim the same age but for Fatima rather than Aisha

They're both a forgery created 200 years later

[deep leaf]

Ig u r Muslim too?

[manic juniper]

I'm not

[grim ermine]

Do you even read my messages

[deep leaf]

Then atheist?

[manic juniper]

Henkito is right tho, if I was a Muslim I wouldn't take the hadiths seriously at all

[manic juniper]

Yes

[deep leaf]

That's good.

[manic juniper]

The Qur'an is very vague about everything, most of the things Muslims believe are from the hadiths for that reason

[deep leaf]

Is that farsi written in your about me

[manic juniper]

The politicians, historians and imams tried to fill the gaps in law with the hadiths

[grim ermine]

follow his religion maybe ?

[manic juniper]

No, it's Old Karelian written in Old Permic alphabet

[grim ermine]

[deep leaf]

Ok looks cool

[manic juniper]

The thing is pre-hadith sunnah was very vague as well, just like the Qur'an. It simply was good behaviour without specifications like the order in which you should cut your nails

Those all came later with the hadiths

[grim ermine]

and I've answered your question

follow mohammed by following his religion

it's easy

[manic juniper]

There is an interview with the Islamic scholar Joshua Little where he gives 21 points about the hadiths' unreliability

The biggest ones are stylistic differences, historical inconsistencies, distinguishing between authentic and inauthentic

It's a long 3 hours interview
https://youtu.be/Bz4vMUUxhag

[grim ermine]

😭

[manic juniper]

It's a bit like those tales on mythical historical figures that may have existed but whose actions have been absurdly overblown

[thorny steeple]

interesting

[dense agate]

lel not Hashmi, i see him a lot in I/P topics

[manic juniper]

Joshua Little does most of the talking albeit with a shitty connection

[thorny steeple]

LMFAO WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE

[manic juniper]

Most of the pre-300 BCE don't seem real, most of the characters may not have been real at all

[thorny steeple]

FRRRRR

[dense agate]

we're going to do a Religion Tier List

[grim ermine]

"Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great."

[manic juniper]

It's possible that a king of Israel existed at the time of Solomon but there is very circumstantial evidence

[dense agate]

[manic juniper]

Whether he existed or not it's difficult to say if he was Solomon or not, and if his name wasn't Solomon then were his actions consistent with him?

[true pebble]

i'm not Christian but it's more accurate than muslin

about the book

[grim ermine]

you said 4.34 right ?

https://quran.com/an-nisa/34

[thorny steeple]

So full of nonsense that the book contradicts itself, I've read it and I know that, which is why there are several versions that contradict themselves as well 😂😂

[manic juniper]

One of the things most historians can agree on is that historical Jesus was crucified, something that the Qur'an denies. Whether it's real or not there are gnostic texts that also deny Jesus's crucifixion and most of the "quirky" Christians lived wayyy East of the Levant, like Mesopotamia or Arabia

[manic juniper]

More than contradictions there are translation errors

[thorny steeple]

EXACTLY

[manic juniper]

Some of the details in the Bible could be interpretations or translation mistakes like Mary being a virgin

[thorny steeple]

Do you know about the instrument of forgiveness? 😂😂

[manic juniper]

It was translated by a Greek speaker from Hebrew, in one of the four gospels (maybe Matthew's?) Mary is described as a young woman in Hebrew regardless of being a virgin or not
And in Greek she's translated as virgin

[manic juniper]

Uhm no what's that

[dense agate]

they deny it was the real Jesus, and claim that someone else that resembles Jesus got the nail instead

[thorny steeple]

You pay money to the priest in exchange for God's forgiveness If you do not have money, the priest will climb over you (like a horse) and forgive you

[manic juniper]

There are a lot of weird possible outcomes
For example Thomas called "the twin" with the name Thomas itself meaning twin in Aramaic
It's possible that he was crucified instead of Jesus, this would explain the resurrection

They probably were translated from Hebrew

[grim ermine]

you said you follow the scholars am I right yes ?

[thorny steeple]

Christianity

[manic juniper]

Interesting rite

Oral stories

The first Christians were Jews so they spoke Aramaic and Hebrew, some of them maybe spoke Latin

[thorny steeple]

In the teaching of the Catholic Church, an indulgence (Latin: indulgentia, from indulgeo, 'permit') is "a way to reduce the amount of punishment one has to undergo for (forgiven) sins".[1] The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes an indulgence as "a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions…

u can google it

for more

[manic juniper]

Historians, since the new and the old testament weren't part of the same collection at first. There were also other sayings that were used as sources by the authors of the gospels

So Jesus wrote down everything at first?

[weary forum]

?????????????????

are you gitting things and you dont know if its right or not

no one said anything about that its allowed lol

[manic juniper]

It was like this in the middle ages, we even studied it at school

Heck the entire premise of the Crusades was the plenary indulgence (full forgiveness of your sins)

[weary forum]

imagin who talking christian will know more than us our religion

imagin

imagin ur god made a love srtory in the gospel

[thorny steeple]

In the past they paid in cash, now they do specific work, Christianity has been modernized

[weary forum]

nah i know yall say the same thing and bla bla

[thorny steeple]

wait fr?

[weary forum]

ur god made a love story in the gospel can you see and says things that no god could say

[weary forum]

yea fr

[thorny steeple]

Ancient Christians

btw Why did the church kill philosophers in ancient times?

[weary forum]

keep defend it

i dont want you to stop until you die

keep going such a beautiful person in the life ofc

[manic juniper]

Too lazy to look it up right now but Papias and Assemani proposed Hebrew or Aramaic as the original languages

Not official yet it happened

[thorny steeple]

Hypatia

[manic juniper]

? What's the point of tagging me

[weary forum]

no one cares

[dense agate]

lel this is just pathetic

[manic juniper]

?

[manic juniper]

Agreed

Whenever he is losing he starts misquoting to obfuscate

[dapper laurel]

Hi guys

I hope you are having a pleasant and friendly conversation

[thorny steeple]

Are you evading, or what? I gave you the name. You can search for it

[manic juniper]

It's Bart Ehrman that claims that, Papias and Assemani only talk about the possible existence of Aramaic or Hebrew new gospels that preceded the Greek ones

[thorny steeple]

it is, just that guy when ask a question he'll answer me by a question

[dapper laurel]

But what is the topic?

[manic juniper]

He is a scholar, he did a comparative analysis... So he's the source

[thorny steeple]

Homework?? 😂😂😂 Can you just say that's true? That's how you answer LMFAO

[dense agate]

if god is omniscient, does he know how a 1 on 1 raw anal feels like ?

[manic juniper]

That the Bible has translation mistakes such as that

[dense agate]

that's the topic

[manic juniper]

His source is the Bible

[dapper laurel]

I think he knows

[dense agate]

baddie allah/jesus

[dapper laurel]

Do you know how it feels?

[weary forum]

no one cares christian imagin christians can make themselves god hahah

some*

[manic juniper]

The Greek translator not realising that the Hebrew word referred to young women and not virgins

[dense agate]

is this a rhetorical question ? you're asking yourself

[manic juniper]

She is called a virgin countless times, isn't she?

[thorny steeple]

Even Jesus, “their god,” does not know when He will return

[manic juniper]

A Christian asks an atheist for a verse with a word that is repeated countless times

[dense agate]

you can't expect him to do your homework :/

[dapper laurel]

I have no experience of this type, but it's actually a rhetorical question, because I was asking an expert

[manic juniper]

No I have a Bible in Finnish and another in Swedish

[thorny steeple]

LMFAO

[manic juniper]

The lion is called "noble deer" in the Finnish bible

[dense agate]

too bad anal is haram

[dapper laurel]

Ok, thanks, then I probably won't do that in the future

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almah

[dense agate]

this could potentially be the reason why Gay intercourse is haram as well

[dapper laurel]

It's always Nobu vs World

[manic juniper]

It was a point of discussion for early Christians too
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41480515

[dapper laurel]

John 15:18-27 @turbid ivy

[manic juniper]

If you're too lazy to open the link why should I

It's all in the Septuagint anyway

Do you have the original gospels?

What is the original?

"Brevard S. Childs states that, apart from one controversial reference (Proverbs 30:19), all the occasions of almah do actually appear to denote virgins, but while it is very unlikely that a married women would be referred to as an almah yet translating it as virgin focuses too much on virginity versus sexual maturity."

Do you understand what "apart from one" means?

Yeah, that refers to gospels too

That's what "apart from one" means, apart from the one in Proverbs

Do I need to teach you English as well?

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-meme-cringe-shrek-gif-6551256872915503916

[weary belfry]

Demn. This words affects deeply

I like

Why such an emoji? I get the feeling you don't like the sentence

Ah

Okie

[manic juniper]

It's in the quote

[thorny steeple]

check them by urself

we are here to discuss, u can deny it if its wrong "depends on what u believe" and give us proof or accept it

thats what am gonna do if u asked me a question

not to tell " am not gonna do ur homework or give me the source, u can just deny give us a proof tho

[prisma cipher]

I hope you chewing it in English way

[weary belfry]

No, I will chew it in Russian way

[prisma cipher]

😂

[unique light]

I am literally coding with the help of ChatGPT now 🙏

I am kinda doing everything myself, and then ask him to make it better, fix issues etc.

[prisma cipher]

Today ai corrects your work, and tomorrow it does your work better than you.

[lime jolt]

I think I’m too pregnant for this sh*t

[elfin bane]

Fr

[thorny steeple]

Cool, always be checking and reviewing

[violet sparrow]

Hey people, how frequently do you guys run a debate?

[true pebble]

Usually is difficult you find a very extensive and really good debates here, that's depends of how polemic is the topic and who is talking about it, but sometimes happens.

my advice to you is show you opinion and wait for some random start to argue

[violet sparrow]

good to know, thanks for your input

[nova stag]

I think you love debates

[violet sparrow]

lol yeah i guess

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/Ac1OezBEbPk?si=97YTi1OOpk_K4KZn
@dapper laurel @feral river

Hello

I'm looking to trade English for Spanish. Anyone interested?

(I'm a native speaker and I have trained to teach English)

[humble crane]

Hello

[hollow mango]

Hi, i am a native spanish speaker

[winged rivet]

Nice

[rustic current]

Inbox me guys

[feral river]

surprisingly what an enjoyable rhythm of this song is just perfect for chilling

[weary belfry]

Nobu is cookin someone again

[drifting drum]

why ?

[rancid elbow]

Atheist here. I believe in the god everybody else believes - money.

[weary belfry]

Money = god?

Do you have that logic?

[rancid elbow]

Not gonna further elaborate my crystal clear point

Contemplation is on you

[rancid elbow]

@turbid ivy

[uneven elm]

fu

[nova stag]

cool

[prisma cipher]

[quaint dune]

https://tenor.com/view/ivar-the-boneless-evil-laugh-gif-13737776

[kindred shard]

Liam Payne

[quaint dune]

Nobody cares about that guy

https://tenor.com/view/heathen-smile-laugh-christian-vikings-gif-17123033

[hexed jay]

u r so bad bro.

[manic juniper]

The god I believe in

[static pivot]

Read bible

[manic juniper]

I did, I believe in that thing even more

[static pivot]

Nice

Good for you

İ never touched bible

Or any religious books etc

[manic juniper]

They're not very interesting but I liked the first five books of the Bible, I recommend if you like things like the Epic of Gilgamesh

They're the most mythological and epic of them

[viscid ferry]

moral letters

[manic juniper]

I said I read it all, just that I liked the first five books only

The gnostic heretical gospels are more interesting

Like the gospel of Judas, it has more lore than the entire canonical New Testament combined

That one is decent

[median temple]

652 from mainland

[thorny steeple]

Assalam-u-Alaikum...everyone

[feral river]

The god I believe in

It’s definitely not about the pope, how many troops he have? Joseph Stalin it’s about the god, how many nukes it got - Minecraft_652

[dense agate]

i'd say most thing about Sumeria are interesting to read about

[manic juniper]

They recently found a new piece of the Epic of Gilgamesh

[lavish creek]

@whole beacon what are you doing in the beginners room?

[whole beacon]

Just fishing for some convos

Nthin yet

[lavish creek]

i'm waiting here in F2 for you then 🤭 😘

[whole beacon]

🥰 ouuuu la la

[lavish creek]

😜

[dense agate]

I'm only aware of the additions that were added about a decade ago.
also, it was really hard to read about utnapishtim without instantly drawing connections to Noah

[median temple]

Hello 👋 I am new here

[median temple]

brou is that you in your pfp

[weary belfry]

Omg. This is the first time you didn't ask me if I was Muslim

[dreamy venture]

Its very hard language, and much people in Chechnya know it not good, and some doesnt know it all

[weary belfry]

Oh, lottery? How do you relate this to the lottery?

[lavish creek]

about which language are you talking actually?

[dreamy venture]

Chechen

[lavish creek]

I see, but I was not talking about Chechen tbh

actually, u sure that average Chechen doesnt speak enouth in Chechen language?

[shy summit]

Yeet was banned

[dapper laurel]

But where are you from?

[feral river]

what do you think if we make a statistic about the people who were banned with the link of their religious affiliation ?

[shy summit]

Yeet wasn’t banned for religiosity. We NEVER ban for that hun

That’s like saying “I want a stat of the race of everyone who commits crime.”

[feral river]

well no I mean if you do the statistic job of the people who were banned, and collect their religious affiliation information, don't you think there's a little correlation on it ?

[shy summit]

No

[feral river]

correlation does not imply causation so that's not racist at all

[shy summit]

But the implication people try to argue from such a data set is bigoted.

Like I shouldn’t have to explain why we would never do that.

[feral river]

yeah that possibly happen, but I just wanna see the data.

[shy summit]

What would you even hope to accomplish

[balmy matrix]

china mainland 🫡

[feral river]

no it's just a normal statistic work like make a statistic to investigate the crime rate between immigrants, or blacks

don't you guys already have a bunch of organization which are doing this ?

[shy summit]

Racist ones usually

Don’t be a bigot

[feral river]

that's a racist one ? how could a statistic be racist ?

[shy summit]

Because its used to apply surface level analysis and claim inherent ‘bad’ in certain people

[feral river]

because you clearly know there's some correlation on it and you don't want to show it because it harms your political ambition or ideological true ?

if there's no correlation it should be an anti-correlation phenomenon that shows my statistic is bullshit and you did the counter part

[shy summit]

No because surface level of analysis isn’t an accurate portrayal of reality but its where dumbass motherfuckers stop and just say “Group X is inherently bad”

[feral river]

how could you define whether is the surface or not.

isn't this a vague concept ?

if we collect the data from the people who were banned with their religious affiliation how could that be a surface one ?

it doesn't make sense

it's not like using 20% of people's opinion to represent 100% of people.

[shy summit]

A racist’s analysis would stop at “Black people do most crime in America.”

An actual analysis would understand that socioeconomic pressure and over policing as well as racial bias has lead to African American overrepresentation in the US prison system

[feral river]

dude that's the same thing

[shy summit]

No

Very different

[feral river]

it's like if I'm a illegal you call me undocumented or non-citizen alien, that's the same thing with a different norm

the truth is I'm a illegal no matter what you gonna call me

or you are gonna say a bunch of people doesn't have homes that they live on the street as citycampers substituting the homeless

the truth is they are the homeless

[void arch]

what are u guys talking about .. the discussion attracted me

[shy summit]

“Black people do all the crime, bad ungabunga.”

And

“A number of historical factors like the war on drugs were specifically tailored to target communities of color, and certain drugs used in these communities were given higher mandatory minimums, this lead to over policing. In combination with a lack of fiscal power, and the absence of an entire generation due to the war on drugs, African Americans are overrepresented in the system.”

Not the same thing

Notice how one explores the reasons while the other just stops at “Melanin bad.”

[feral river]

I would say there's a relation with the crime rate of the factors you have mentioned but it doesn't hide the hard truth of african-americans are overrepresented in the system.

you can give any explaination you want on this statistics, but the statistic won't lie

it's not the same thing because you are demonstrating why they are overrepresented but the truth is they are overrepresented.

one is subjective and the other one is objective.

[shy summit]

The only reason to ask is to invite the argument “Religious people bad”

[dense agate]

it's about the interpretation of data

[feral river]

yeah that's what I mean but I wanna say the data won't lie, truth is truth no matter how you gonna explain it

[void arch]

nothing comes by itself there should be an explination

[dense agate]

the data can be represented in a misleading way, in accordance to one's biases for example

[feral river]

you can interpret the people who want to do this statistic has racist mindset that's totally subjective.

but the truth is what they have represented is the truth.

[shy summit]

That’s not truth.

[feral river]

you just said they are overrepresented which means this is truth.

[shy summit]

The data without the understanding is a fucking lie

[feral river]

the truth is they are overrepresented

[feral river]

what ?

[shy summit]

Its called a lie of intentional omission

[void arch]

u only look to the image u don't want to look at the reason behind the images and this is a fallacy

[feral river]

it's not a fallacy because the truth is truth, that's your business to understand the data not to talk a bunch of shit to try to modify the data

data will remain unchanged no matter what you have said

actually I don't give a shit on what you have said but the data itself

that's called analysis

[feral river]

woah woah woah then can I say every data is a lie of intentional omission ?

[shy summit]

“100% of people who drink water die.”

[feral river]

that's out of the data I would say

[feral river]

so ?

you wanna say 99% of people who drink water die ?

truth is truth

[void arch]

the data has a reason to be shown as that , u want to avoid the reasons but by doing that u ll fall in false interpretation and decisions

[shy summit]

Its bad faith

And one of the first things they teach you in stats

[feral river]

yeah yeah yeah the data has a reason to be shown as that, now Kamala harris have won more than 50% of the voters

what's the reason behind it 🤣

LMAO dude

[void arch]

that's only a propaganda.. who still believes in gove

[feral river]

I agree with you 100%

you are right bro true know man

[feral river]

that's nothing relevant to stats itself

if it's not overrepresented what you gonna say ?

it's just you are trying to make other people to understand data in your way bro

remember no matter what you have said, the truth will remain unchanged.

[shy summit]

Jesus fucking christ are you kidding me?

[feral river]

you can write a whole article to say how is this data unfair or unjustified, but the truth won't change

[void arch]

can we talk about religion

[shy summit]

Are you that dumb or just that dishonest? Cause at this point it’s one of the two dude.

[feral river]

I didn't be dishonest, I just gonna tell you no matter how you gonna interpret the data, the data is represented as the data

you can't deny the truth

[shy summit]

Either you don’t understand how to interpret and analyze data.
Or you deliberately want to misrepresent reality.

[void arch]

yh

[feral river]

the fucking damn hard truth is they are overrepresented, maybe it's because what you have said, or what some other racist guy have said

that's your business, but the data itself is not your business

[feral river]

how ?

[void arch]

the data is meaningless withous reasons girl

[feral river]

you can demonstrate how I wonder how you gonna represent reality by your way and I will use your way to represent reality in my way

it's totally subjective, you can do that I can do it too

but the data will remain unchanged

[shy summit]

Given the fact that now at least three other people have told you why I have to assume you’re either not listening or you just genuinely don’t understand statistical analysis

[dense agate]

duuude, you're crossing the red-line of degeneracy

[shy summit]

Seriously

[feral river]

sigh dude I just know the truth nothing bullshit else

[shy summit]

You got the fucking atheists and the theists avengers level teaming up against the force of dumbassery rn

[void arch]

from what ik i can say the data itself can be biased or miss collected

[feral river]

let's just look into the case of the african-american overrepresented in prison.

what I'm saying is, they are overrepresented in prison as what you have already admitted

[shy summit]

Stopping at ‘black people commit more crime’ is an intentional bad faith representation of reality.

[feral river]

and what you are saying is, oh it's not because they are bad, it's because the environment is bad for them

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/кот-умер-кота-убили-gif-2895333260421366841

[feral river]

how does that even relevant ?

[shy summit]

If you stop there, this retarded Atheist Theist Avengers teamup stops your heart lmao

[feral river]

I did not say it

[void arch]

from history the most kellers are white ppl

[feral river]

I never said black people commit more crime

I'm saying is what you have said, they are overrepresented in prison

[shy summit]

The issue is that STOPPING there is what you are doing

[feral river]

THAT'S WHAT THE FUCK YOU HAVE SAID

[shy summit]

And saying ‘facts don’t care’

Muthafucka you left out half the story

There is an implication in such a statement

“All people who drink water die,”

[void arch]

chill out guys

[dense agate]

Data is not neutral, the raw data itself can appearr objective, the context in which we've collected the data, the way we've framed it, and what is left out can and will heavily influence it's meaning. (i.e : data on race and crime for example, it doesn't happen in a vacuum, it's influenced by social, economical and historical factors)
Data is not just about numbers, it's about what questions re asked, how they’re asked, and who is asking them.
this latter point is not only important in Data but in science as a whole.

[shy summit]

Tf you think that implies

[feral river]

I didn't imply anything about anything, I just need truth, the truth is they are overrepresented

I just want to ask you, are they overrepresented, or not ? it's a yes or no question

[dense agate]

so save some self-respect and stop saying nonsense stuff based on uneducated guesses

[feral river]

no implications

[shy summit]

Okay and what would be the goal of asking “Which religious groups get banned from the server most often?”

Seriously you ain’t being slick

You’re about as obvious as a rino in a chinashop

Now drop it.

[feral river]

what else that could be expect to know the truth ?

[dense agate]

he's like "i have no bad intentions", while asking to correlate 2 variable as if they were chosen randomly

[shy summit]

I’m just convinced he’s legitimately dumb

[feral river]

then do not do any statistics then, there's something relating between those two factors, everything is subjective

🤣

correlation does not imply causation

[shy summit]

Yes, but when you don’t offer a why, you imply such

[dense agate]

read the long text i wrote, and allow the mechanical wheels inside your head to roll as you gaze it

[feral river]

very good then that's awesome to hear you would say that

[shy summit]

YOU NEVER present data without explaining why you present the correlation and you NEVER leave the cause of such things out

[feral river]

I would say you don't really know what is objectiveness

so let's drop it

[dense agate]

Omegalel

[feral river]

it's pointless to continue right now

[shy summit]

Yeah, bro you really need to go back and take some courses on stat anslysis

[void arch]

ur correct in that

[feral river]

I said correlation does not imply causation anything else I need to demonstrate ?

[shy summit]

Your intention behind asking the OG question

[void arch]

objective truth is hard to find

[feral river]

and the truth is it may has correlation or you don't even know it has or not, but the result is it does not imply causation

what you are yelling about how dumbass I'm ?

I just don't get it why didn't you still get this simple logic

[shy summit]

You think you’re being slick hiding behind this veil of ‘i’m not hiding an agenda, I’m speaking facts’

What you’re really doing is showing off some true colors here

[feral river]

you are trying hard to analysis my intention not the data itself

you care my intention more than the data itself

[lavish creek]

Crimea

[feral river]

that's not objectiveness 🤣

[void arch]

the data is there ,and there are reason (objective) behind it. so why ur guys yelling

[shy summit]

What the question you ask tells me?
“I want a reason to say X group is bad, because they get banned more often. I don’t care about the why.”

[lavish creek]

@feral river wanna just talk a lil bit?

[feral river]

what the fuck I don't want it you are overexplaining my intention how dare you can imply what my intention is ?

what the fuck this is so offensive

[dapper laurel]

Cool, I have never met a person from Crimea in my life, but it is a bit noticeable, now that I think about it

[feral river]

it's not even an implication it's an accusation

[lavish creek]

there is nothing cool tbh

[shy summit]

Then why ask the question

[dense agate]

are you actually ?

[feral river]

BECAUSE I FUCKED WANT TO KNOW THE FUCKING TRUTH

[lavish creek]

wdum

[shy summit]

What truth?

[dense agate]

Truth ?

[dapper laurel]

Be proud of your heritage

[dense agate]

are you actually from crimea ?

[feral river]

the chart of possibility of correlation in between the people who banned in the server with their religious affiliation

[lavish creek]

well yes

[shy summit]

Why

[feral river]

wtf why I just want to know it nothing else

what are you expecting from it

[dapper laurel]

Sevastopol?

[lavish creek]

how are u doing btw

[dense agate]

i hear y'all got some lion or tiger zoos

[shy summit]

Mine you and I both know you have an open distain for religion. What am I supposed to think?

I’m not an idiot

[feral river]

I don't even know it's correlated and you are behaving that oh the fuck, it must be and it was politically incorrect so I must prevent this happening

[dapper laurel]

Not so good recently, but life is life, what about you my friend?

[shy summit]

Your reasons are suspect

[lavish creek]

breeh i'm not living there anymore

[cinder quartz]

I was there

[lavish creek]

i'm from small village actually

[feral river]

I got the answer from your reaction

[lavish creek]

bruhh pretty same tbh

[feral river]

thank you very much.

[shy summit]

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287144476992868414/1289365593702666261/359102065bcbcc5cfac4db0f8135b94e.gif

[feral river]

holy crap dude

[lavish creek]

doing some bureaucracy, looking for a new job and do my uni stuff

[void arch]

what are u studying guys?

[dapper laurel]

Hang in there my friend, remember that life is just pain with periodic peaks of happiness, that's what keeps us alive after all

[shy summit]

Mine, I may not be a fan of religion but I’ll be damned before I let people be targeted on the basis of their faith.

That’s the difference between us.

I may criticize but I will never claim inherency about any faith.

[lavish creek]

beautifully said ngl

[dapper laurel]

What are you doing at university?

[feral river]

and I don't really have an open distain for religion, but an open distain for blindly follow a bunch of freaking shit.

[shy summit]

Anyways

[violet sparrow]

isn’t it just happy with periodic peaks of pain?

[dapper laurel]

Are there more times when you feel sad or happy?

[feral river]

I always said, if you are finding yourself in religion through a set of traits to benefit your life that was a good thing

[shy summit]

I’m studying Political Science with a focus in Journalism

[lavish creek]

rn it's my phd stuff

[shy summit]

Shiiit a PHD? Good on you

[void arch]

nice im doing medicine generalist

[feral river]

okay I would say that's fair and good for you to have your own mindset.

[shy summit]

Smart cookie. I couldn’t get past the kadavers

[dapper laurel]

Nice!! PhD is a big thing. Can I call you "doctor"/"doc" when you finished?

[void arch]

thanx

[lavish creek]

lool

no

[feral river]

you are an independent thinker who have ability to differ what's a fucking shit

[lavish creek]

don't do that

[void arch]

sure haha

[lavish creek]

just call me mate

[feral river]

based on this I totally respect that @shy summit

[dapper laurel]

Ok, mate

[violet sparrow]

the question is what makes you sad and what makes you happy?

[dapper laurel]

I'll do it with you then

One of these days I'll do a voice chat

It will also be my first time

[prisma cipher]

[feral river]

for me I would say I just don't care that much I'm a capitalist I do whatever it benefit me so I would lie but I must pursue the truth without bias.

[exotic falcon]

Yo, and hows life in Crimea now? Do you steel leaving there?

[lavish creek]

no

i have changed 3 Slavic counties during just 10 years

[dapper laurel]

Do you live in Russia now?

[cinder quartz]

2 of my friends are from Crimea

yoo

[exotic falcon]

Hope hes not

[lavish creek]

well, i'm not gonna say where i'm rn (sorry) but recently i was in Poland

[dapper laurel]

Well, you're right, that's your business, I'm sorry

[exotic falcon]

So, are you on Ukrainian side? Generally

[lavish creek]

there is nothing to be sorry about mate!

[void arch]

"the way justify the end " mindset

[dapper laurel]

@lavish creek however, I did a crazy Latin test today

[lavish creek]

i ll shar that, but a lil bit lately

[shy summit]

Idk why you said to drop it and then keep yapping bro. You got cooked, its over.

[lavish creek]

how is it was?

[dapper laurel]

Ez

[lavish creek]

damn i'm really proud of u

[feral river]

💀

[lavish creek]

well

[dapper laurel]

The story they gave us to translate was very funny

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-paxton-aliens-game-over-gif-27184304

[lavish creek]

i have been here for a wile so it's easy to grasp

[lavish creek]

what are u reading in Latin actually?

[dapper laurel]

The solon king, to save his people, started jumping naked among the crowd saying something senseless

[feral river]

well that's definitely another thing we need to take it into account on another case...

anyways

[dapper laurel]

They usually give us a Latin text to translate with a dictionary

[exotic falcon]

Nice move, should work

[feral river]

sometimes I just don't get your obsession on defending someone

thought you would believe everyone should have equal rights

but for me, It's not, and it will remain unequal

[lavish creek]

they must give u Cicero or Seneca

[feral river]

your struggle won't change anything on this world

[void arch]

it only changes u

[feral river]

I'm anti-communist, anti-utopia how he is gonna change me

[exotic falcon]

How do you have internet in mainland China

And dont afraid texting things like this

Suspishios

[void arch]

time ll show u

[lavish creek]

it's not about being factually equal it's about formal equality and stiving toward equality

[lavish creek]

he is not in China rn

[feral river]

why the fuck I can't have internet in mainland China ?

in mainland China we have one of the fastest internet in the world

[lavish creek]

this literally one of the pillars of European civilization

[dapper laurel]

For next week I have this shit to translate, it's from Aulus Gellius

[void arch]

yh china is Xd

[lavish creek]

WOW

you actually can find this name really often in roman legal texts

[void arch]

who is he

[lavish creek]

(another pillar of European civilization - law and justice)

[exotic falcon]

How much megabith per second

Dont forget corruption

[void arch]

bro u have to go to china to see by ur self how china is

[dapper laurel]

Really? Could you tell me more? However this text talks about accusations of corruption towards Scipio, so it is understandable

[exotic falcon]

I mean europs pillars of civilization

[feral river]

https://www.rcrwireless.com/20240708/5g/5g-reaches-full-coverage-chinese-towns-cities-report

[void arch]

ohh right

china infrastructure is magic

[thorny steeple]

hi

China is shit

[exotic falcon]

My man

[void arch]

heh

[feral river]

in my home it's probably around 400-500 MB per sec

[thorny steeple]

Poland is much more beautiful ez

[feral river]

@shy summit hey

[thorny steeple]

No immigrants, no garbage, pure Poland

[void arch]

bcz polish immigrate to west EU

but i like poland i hope i can visite it

[exotic falcon]

I think this guys Chinese influencers, or so.. Who else will defend China, come on

[thorny steeple]

Well, I'm already telling you why Poland has turned right and Poland is slowly going the way of nationalism and at the same time they have tightened their migration policy, which is why they are now shooting at people on the border with Belarus,

[feral river]

I think you are western influencers, or so.. who else will defend the west come on

[lavish creek]

yeap, it's still basic and important subject in European civil law. U can read about it here actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digest_(Roman_law)

https://droitromain.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/Anglica/D41_Scott.htm

It's one of the sources of Roman law which we have and one of the most important

u can really translate latin into English, it would be better to read it in Italian

[void arch]

china is agreat country i can say better than US

[exotic falcon]

I am not defending west, i already text that corruption is pillar of eu civilization

[lavish creek]

and your universities are best in Roman law

[feral river]

no idea on both, why is it fascinating ? are you the guy who needs equal ?

[thorny steeple]

Honestly, if it weren't for the world, China would have collapsed and fallen apart a long time ago, to be honest, the society is getting older and at the same time India won in terms of population and China was the first and now it is already 3rd

[feral river]

LMAO

[lavish creek]

coz it's drive the progress and reaching of this point

[feral river]

there's no China, there's no world

[thorny steeple]

The European Union is moving towards socialism, so don't be surprised.

[exotic falcon]

Also Taiwan is true China

[feral river]

what the heck you need this point can you demonstrate on it ?

[lavish creek]

better to name it equity not equality actually

[feral river]

are you a freaking poor need some equality ?

[lavish creek]

equity - yes, that's a value for me

[feral river]

that was just too communist

[lavish creek]

and justice

[thorny steeple]

It's just that China doesn't recognize them, that they are them too, they say that Taiwan is America's war puppet xD

[feral river]

justice from authority well yeah

not from some stupid guys

using a stupid poll or vote something to justice someone in their way

[void arch]

i also condemn china gov for oppressing minorities like ughor ppl

[lavish creek]

u are actually talking about some stupid modern anglosphere definition of equality

[prisma cipher]

I'm so sick of these Uyghurs

[lavish creek]

read ancient Greeks or at least Tomas Aquinas

[feral river]

well no I'm just talking about how the equality is unequal.

[exotic falcon]

and sponsoring terrorism

[void arch]

i visite them they are the nicest ppl

[feral river]

because you gonna damage a group of people's interest first to achieve your 'equality'

[lavish creek]

there is nothing about been the same in everything

[exotic falcon]

Why

[feral river]

how the fuck we are sponsoring terrorism ? can you give me an example ?

[exotic falcon]

North Corea

[thorny steeple]

Honestly, Poles and socialist China like each other, to be honest, they do not have such good relations with any European country as they want to do business with us, when we come to their country they treat us normally, not like Germans who came, it ended in a quarrel xD

[feral river]

isn't that enough we are working hard for you guys to counter terrorism in Xinjiang

[exotic falcon]

Ussr too

[dense agate]

you're aware a state can't be considered Terrorist ?

[feral river]

North Korea is a state

if you can say North Korea is a terrorist state why can't I say USA is a terrorist state ?

[dense agate]

according to the UN there is no such thing as a Terror-state

[feral river]

well not the UN please

[prisma cipher]

Stupid.

[feral river]

we don't give a shit to UN but how

[dense agate]

??

[exotic falcon]

You can, we not in North Corea, so you can say anything you want

[feral river]

oh thank you

[dense agate]

you really hurt their feelings

[feral river]

🤣

[thorny steeple]

Because America, although fighting for freedom, and communist countries want full power over the world, the so-called murder of people, cutting off their heads, beating their backs and forcing them to do hard slave work, so <

Just like Hitler did with people.

[cinder quartz]

serious chat as always

[feral river]

is hitler a communist ?

[thorny steeple]

Today we have the same thing as Russia and Ukraine

[dense agate]

it's not about what the UN thinks, i'm talking about the definitions that are internationally agreed upon when i refer to the UN

[void arch]

2 mistakes cant justfy the wrong things ...

[feral river]

well that's fair I would say but UN is just a tool for global powers to dominate the regional affairs

[thorny steeple]

Countries that are communist with corruption or socialist do not have much heart for people. Because if you want to be a patriot, they will not respect you because you are the only number that counts, you are only a number to them, nothing more, and that is the truth.

[dense agate]

it's a place to talk and somewhat regulate international affairs. like a global forum

[feral river]

you are yelling hard but that demonstrate nothing of your point

even I'm anti-communist

[exotic falcon]

Dont forget to mension it

Time to time

[dreamy venture]

No, we speek chechen too much, 90 percent of conversations we make on Chechen

[prisma cipher]

What is this statement based on?

[feral river]

you are yelling hard but that demonstrate nothing of your point - Minecraft_652 (China mainland)

[thorny steeple]

If there will be a World War 3 and let's say, when some army enters your house, half of your family will probably be exterminated in front of your eyes, is it such a nice sight, not really for everyone, communism and socialism also work.

[feral river]

how many valuable truths I have curved in this channel ?

[feral river]

it's better if we back to imperial eras, we can just solve our problem by force.

[thorny steeple]

The fact that Socialism and Communism are very brutal ideologies to this day, first of all, you don't pay for corruption, they cut your head alive as it was in Poland in 2005 for the truth told by a wise man where Poland had corruption.
secondly, unfortunately, this is one big shamanism.

[feral river]

and no one gives a shit

[prisma cipher]

For me, you just pay respect non stop for people who say or do nothing special.

[exotic falcon]

I wish some day you get free of russian pigs in gov bro

[thorny steeple]

Yes? and if we attack your house with a rocket, will you go back further to the imperial eras or to the demon of death?

[feral river]

yeah, because we fight back with nukes 🤣

[void arch]

i can say socialism can be good if there was no corruption and miss using of the power.

[dense agate]

?? what makes you think that international affairs are no longer under an anarchic system

[dense agate]

so basically never

[prisma cipher]

What happened in Poland in 2005?

[void arch]

it is possible

[feral river]

it is but you have to pay more on the aggressive moves against other state

[void arch]

just the leader should be under the law.

[thorny steeple]

Andrzej Lepper, for telling the truth about the whole world, said something in the Sejm that offended the world and was sentenced to death, i.e. a so-called shot in the head

[feral river]

in before they barely have any connection or literally no connections at all but now we are all interconnected that you will pay more for aggressive actions you have made.

[dense agate]

i don't have to say more, we have a polish guy in the chat, ask him yourself

[feral river]

it's damn hard for a superpower to just expand the territory

back to imperial eras, they just bomb the shit out of your place and occupy everything

[exotic falcon]

Like China want to do nowadays

[dense agate]

this sound like a conspiracy theory, and he died in 2011 not 2005 by suicide

[feral river]

we do expand terrritories, that's one of the major credits under Xi's administration

[thorny steeple]

Just like with the Philippines, with Taiwan, with Vietnam, with South Korea, with Japan

[void arch]

in south Asia sea

[feral river]

South China Sea yeah

[thorny steeple]

I heard that apparently China wants to take over half of Russia, the so-called Siberia

[void arch]

china want to swallow it all

[feral river]

we almost did, very good job

[void arch]

heh

[prisma cipher]

For telling the truth. Sounds lame as f

[thorny steeple]

We got rid of corruption at least

Ukraine is the only thing that irritates us now.

[void arch]

but they do that to maintain there business with the world and guarantee that oil flow is safe... it a strategic place

[prisma cipher]

Same

[thorny steeple]

They beat our compatriots and rape our patriots, as it was during the UPA times

[exotic falcon]

Why? They fighting with Russia, Belarus and Chinese side at once

[prisma cipher]

Not all of them, there were upa army

[exotic falcon]

I mean now

Today

[prisma cipher]

Ok than

[thorny steeple]

Dude, if you could see what they are doing in Poland, you wouldn't believe it, they literally behave like illegal immigrants when you are passing by and suddenly someone stabs you in the back with a scythe

[prisma cipher]

And Iran and North Korea

[void arch]

u can add the west and north america to Ukraine too

and we ll have ww3 soon

[thorny steeple]

America is on Trump's side and they want war with Iran.

[exotic falcon]

I prefer to not be in the China and Russian in that moment, cos they are doomed

[prisma cipher]

[thorny steeple]

But I wonder why Iran needs a war when Israel has 90 nuclear warheads on standby in case something collapses???

[thorny steeple]

And on a very large scale

[void arch]

they push them strategically

[thorny steeple]

But Iran will fall if Israel uses bombs

[void arch]

and maybe iran has nuclear weapon too

[thorny steeple]

Iran does not have any nuclear bombs

Because they don't have enough uranium to create it

[void arch]

who told u

[thorny steeple]

especially since they don't have the materials to create a good rocket to fly to Israel

[void arch]

they re just saying no buddy knows for sure

[thorny steeple]

They are also backward in development

[thorny steeple]

Are you a Russian spy?

[void arch]

they have an experienced allie in ther side '' pakistan''

[thorny steeple]

XD Can you hear correctly?

Pakistan is no longer as strong as it was in the 1960s and 1970s

Their economy is dying like Iran's, along with its people, the more they are at risk of war with India and they have capital right next to the border with India XD

[void arch]

but they have experience in nuclear tech

[thorny steeple]

not even 30 kilometers and Pakistan does not have a nuclear bomb.

And so what if they don't have it themselves?

[void arch]

what it has 165NB

more than india

do u think Pakistan mantian its existence by kissing india s feet

they have nuclear bombs

[thorny steeple]

How many warheads do nuclear powers have?
Russia – 5,977.
USA – 5,428 (including about 100 in NATO countries under Nuclear Sharing)
China – 350.
France – 290.
Great Britain – 225.
Pakistan – 165.
India – 160.
Israel – 90.

I put this on the internet

[void arch]

i was correct in general

[void arch]

if these bombs where launched all in the same time what s goanna happen to the world?

[pulsar zealot]

yo yo yo

[pulsar zealot]

The answer is that if they are launched at the same place nohting realy bad will happend

[thorny steeple]

It will be a beautiful winter

[pulsar zealot]

Like 100km around will be destroy

and we will have some nuclear problems

but if they are launched at different places

It will be very very very bad

because if you want to know for example the goal of french nuclear defence is to cover the entire territory

So if we have 290 bombs it's because with 290 bombs the france is destroyed

The the goal is to say to a potential invader

"If you take my territory, I will destroy the same territory in your land"

For exemple if france was ukraine, Russia wound't get benefit of the offensive because all of the gain would be destroyed in russia

So that's the real goal of nuclear defence

( at least for France)

[feral river]

idk what the hell u guys are trying to simulate how a nuclear war looks like but it definitely will not happen unless you really got some serious consequences of threatening the survive of a nuclear power.

and... nuclear weapons are not as efficient as you think, for wmds we have something better

[pulsar zealot]

true

but they do somme damage xd

[feral river]

we are now fully trying our best to develop some biological weapons and chemical/radiological weapons to eliminate the enemies sliently and efficient

also we are taking a lot of efforts to try to deploy some space weapons

[pulsar zealot]

Don't be proud of attack wepon

Be proud of your defence

[feral river]

now we already have some ASAT to shot down some satellites

[pulsar zealot]

As an army member I can tell you that war is bad

Nobody want it

All you will get is pain of normal people

Don't be proud of politician who are working for themselv and not for you

[feral river]

those weapon can never be an attack weapon but defense one, the weapons for attacking would be more general and being limited to a certain extent on its scalability

[pulsar zealot]

I hope so

So you know I engage to protect my country

I don't understand why people alway wanna the war

Go look at 1 wordl War

[feral river]

well I can fully respect that nobody wants war even a full destructive war

[pulsar zealot]

They were killing each other for no raisons

You have to understand that human violence have no limit

[feral river]

that's obviously becauase of the conflicts between empires

[pulsar zealot]

and will result to no gain for normal people

All winner of war are politians never normal crew

All you gain is pain

[feral river]

actually it's not, now I'm investing american/israeli bomb stocks they sign a lot of contracts every year and generate considerable profit.

[pulsar zealot]

wow nice profit

[feral river]

it's not benefiting you because you are not a shareholder of their company

[pulsar zealot]

Money is first and life is second

[feral river]

and it's not me risking my life to invest their stocks

[pulsar zealot]

How can you look at you on the mirror if you think that you make money by helping people to kill each other

Imagine it's your kid

Imagine it's you

protection is one thing

[feral river]

I don't think so, they bomb the right place against terrorists, enemies that possibly harm my kid

[pulsar zealot]

Attack and profit are aneother

[void arch]

no human value

[pulsar zealot]

Yeah because you think that world is black and white

[feral river]

I mean no, what they have bombed is what I wanted them to bomb, so I invest them

[void arch]

they bombed civilians

[feral river]

you will never see me investing some Iran stocks or Syria stocks

[pulsar zealot]

what do you understand of the world

all you understand is that what your politicians want you to know

[void arch]

are u standing with isreal?

[pulsar zealot]

you have to understand that they are no good war

[feral river]

I mean no, world is gray combined black and white but by perspectives it can be reversed

[pulsar zealot]

only good war is protections

[void arch]

the best way to defend is to attack

[pulsar zealot]

not realy

[feral river]

maybe what I'm supporting to bomb is what they are condamning to, but that doesn't really resonate with me because what they have done is harm my interest damaging my state.

my interest 1st, then let's talk about some moral stuff

[pulsar zealot]

xd

[void arch]

bad mindset

[pulsar zealot]

pure bad mindset yes

You put ego first

[feral river]

not really bad I generate huge profit I'm getting rich obviously

[pulsar zealot]

and so what

[feral river]

my country is becoming powerful and powerful

[pulsar zealot]

and so what

Wow you have money gg

[feral river]

my society is harmonious and prosperous how does that can even be bad ?

[pulsar zealot]

Haha

[feral river]

everything is good lol

[pulsar zealot]

hey go out of china

[void arch]

humans are meaningless without morals

[pulsar zealot]

you will see real life

[feral river]

im out of China right now and I ever been to a lot of countries 😂

[pulsar zealot]

all around the world your country is famous to be a no right zone

[feral river]

what are you expecting now

[pulsar zealot]

So all of your life is about to get money

mine is to protect my friend

[void arch]

she ll daie and leave them to the banks

[feral river]

I can respect that, I also protect my friend no problem with it

but I don't protect my enemies

that's completely different

[pulsar zealot]

and who are your ennemis?

[feral river]

the people who damage my interest, it can be terrorists, enemies, reactionaries

[void arch]

me God commands first .. and God command me to do which is good and righteous

[pulsar zealot]

be more precise

[feral river]

it was already precise I think

[pulsar zealot]

What terrosit are you talking about?

[feral river]

it can be hamas, hezbollah they are already bombing their shit

[pulsar zealot]

because if you see Istraël are terrorist for many lands xd

[feral river]

Israel is on my side lol

[void arch]

u can be terrorist in the eyes of others too no objective standards

[feral river]

yeah I can be that, so what ?

why would I care my enemies opinion

they are enemies

[pulsar zealot]

You have the talk of a man who never went into real fire

[void arch]

ur just repeating meadia s shit

[pulsar zealot]

Wake up to reality they are not good guys and bads guys xd

[feral river]

idk lol I'm just a business man I fight against my enemies by funds

[void arch]

they are buddy

[feral river]

throw thousand of dollars into bombs

[pulsar zealot]

all your mindset is build by media

xd and you are proud

[void arch]

yh

[feral river]

what media ? Chinese media ?

[pulsar zealot]

any media

by doing that you are as stupid as them

you are a terrorist to

[feral river]

I don't think you are so clever than them

[void arch]

haha

[pulsar zealot]

because you are killing somme children