🧠｜serious-chat

[dense agate]

it's only a prophecy if and only if Mark was proven to be written before the destruction happened

[manic juniper]

Prophecy or not it's not that difficult to predict

[dense agate]

yes that's the other fun part about the Temple's destruction

[manic juniper]

That's like saying that the prophecy about Romans and Persians in the Qur'an was groundbreaking, some things are just predictable

[turbid ivy]

You didn't prove it was written after the destruction of the temple, all you did is an assumption.

[manic juniper]

My mum predicted the war in Ukraine in the 90s but she isn't a prophet

[feral river]

sigh

correlation does not imply causation

study some basic marxist philosophy and you will know all of these

not for communism but for the truth and the true way to perspect the world

[dense agate]

there are many others like the legion of demons sent into pigs at the gerasenes, but it goes to show that there is a lack of definite proof of Mark being written at an earlier time and how is the exact dating of Mark is highly contested

[dense agate]

which is through the perspectives of 3000 hours of HOI4 ?

[dapper laurel]

Can I be considered a prophet if I predict that the sun will rise tomorrow?

It's so over for me

[manic juniper]

It's more impressive if you predict an eclipse after reading an announcement from the experts, and confirm that it will happen for real

"Yes God told me it is true"

[dapper laurel]

I predict that by 2030 I will become Austrian for those mfs

[turbid ivy]

What does the legion of pigs prove?

Also, you haven't yet provided any sources about your claim

[dense agate]

i wish that's true, John keynes would be a god amongst men

as he should

[manic juniper]

Legion of pigs... That's literally Denmark and China

[feral river]

dude stop that shit I got 2000 hours on pubg and more than 5000 hours on minecraft why didn't you say something about that

[dense agate]

i did, but you'd rather interpret it as a prophecy even though we don't know if it was written before 70 AD

[turbid ivy]

Come to the vc

I will make you read

[dense agate]

oh wow, it's worse than i thought

[feral river]

btw I didn't really learn some philosophy from hoi4 basically i already holding that mind before i play this game

[manic juniper]

Let's argue about religion in the YouTube live chat

[dense agate]

i've already got headache from a pro-Palestinian today, can't take 2 lobotomites in one day

[turbid ivy]

Runnng

[dense agate]

are you hinting at something

[turbid ivy]

I will make you read

[dense agate]

you will make me read ? lel

[feral river]

I will listen

[manic juniper]

No streams today

[turbid ivy]

Cool

[dense agate]

i wish i can make you frontal lobe pop into existence

[feral river]

where ru guys planned to vc

[manic juniper]

It's a new miracle I guess

[turbid ivy]

Come to the vc

[turbid ivy]

Also you

[feral river]

i will listen to it while im playing HOI4

[manic juniper]

Mao Zedong was a prophet

[turbid ivy]

[dense agate]

he predicted killing 50 million chinaman

[manic juniper]

He made many people read

[feral river]

holy freaking crap you dude

[manic juniper]

What about me

[dense agate]

[feral river]

dont try to trigger me im good today

im feeling good, chill

[turbid ivy]

You have to prove about the elephant story writert

[dense agate]

this is the last one

[manic juniper]

Hm no I already proved too many things, it's enough for this month

[feral river]

we should have a solo

[dense agate]

duuuude

[feral river]

on hoi4

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/petekao-dark-blue-kiss-kiss-me-again-pool-kiss-thai-bl-gif-16716984

[dense agate]

if that could happen i'd get the game so we can do it

[feral river]

that's definitely possible im in South Korea now

[shy summit]

Nah I’ll stick with actually knowing where my partner wants to eat, thank u

[manic juniper]

HOI4 players

[feral river]

if I get back to China probably the ping is gonna be high

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[dense agate]

this works as exorcism but against Nobu

[shy summit]

True

[turbid ivy]

https://apologetics-101.com/why-do-matthew-and-luke-differ-on-jesus-genealogies-luke-3-matthew-1/

[feral river]

bro we planned to dismantle wall in the future i guess

we legalized the use of the vpn

[dense agate]

what nation do you play ?

[turbid ivy]

Checking

[shy summit]

I saw that, but its ironic that your ping is high

[feral river]

well for solo only 2 option left, Soviet vs German, China vs Japan

any options ?

[dense agate]

can't USA vs Germany work ?

[dense agate]

how is China vs Japan fair ?????

i ain't touching that Chinese mess

[feral river]

dude that's insane you got 120 more industrial complex at the start of the game when german is busy to expand

[feral river]

IT IS FAIR ACTUALLY

idk if you can imagine but I got destroyed by a pro-pvp player playing China

[dense agate]

don't you have victoria 👉 👈 ?

[feral river]

no I don't play that shit takes a lot of time

I have my fucking life

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/кот-умер-кота-убили-gif-2895333260421366841

[feral river]

I thought u were a hoi4 player

[manic juniper]

?

[dense agate]

bruh Victoria 3 is like ABCs compared to hoi4 wdym ???

[cinder quartz]

what do u think abt this map

[dense agate]

HOI4 naval battles can be their own game

[feral river]

dude u should try it if you haven't played yet

im a 2000 hour commander u know how easily you will get destroyed playing as Soviets against Poland which im gonna play to end u

[cinder quartz]

I don't understand how the navy works in the game lol

[feral river]

im a hoi4 pvper

[cinder quartz]

cool

[feral river]

I even mod the hoi4 files

[cinder quartz]

I have 500 hours

[feral river]

we can have a solo i guess if you want

or you two fight against me

[cinder quartz]

huh

[dense agate]

Kol od ba’le’vav p’nima,Nefesh yehudi ho’miyah.

[cinder quartz]

me and who vs u?

[feral river]

u and @dense agate vs me

[dense agate]

there is a reason i completely ignore it

[cinder quartz]

what

[cinder quartz]

interesting

[feral river]

im serious bro if you want to have a fight let's do that

[dense agate]

dude i have like 200 hours in that game, im fresh

[feral river]

it's fun bro it's definitely fun

im gonna record the shit all the time

[dense agate]

come to victoria 3, let's remake the opium war me UK you as Qing

[feral river]

or streaming here

[dense agate]

hatikvah

[dense agate]

i know but i'm not good at it and for sure i ain't going to let you win against me

[real monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-so-cool-spies-in-disguise-spies-in-disguise-that-is-so-cool-awesome-gif-25596734

[feral river]

well u can pick the state first

and u got +3 modifiers

[cinder quartz]

speak english

[dense agate]

that's what it's called Hatikvah, their national anthem

[dense agate]

do we play vanilla or with DLCs ?

[turbid ivy]

😵‍💫

[cinder quartz]

dlcs ofc lol

[feral river]

dlcs included

[manic juniper]

Do you think I care about forgery?

[feral river]

this is the modifirs you got

[turbid ivy]

huh?

[cinder quartz]

we can try 1vs1vs1vs1 map

[manic juniper]

All claims of ancient genealogy are a forgery

[dense agate]

my brother in Christ

[feral river]

oh damn I ever played that yeah that's interesting

[feral river]

no need to do that shit I got cracked version

[turbid ivy]

Evidence?

[feral river]

no worries you just need the game itself

[dense agate]

can we play in the cracked version ?????????

this changes everything

[feral river]

I will send you the cracked dlc used for online play

[manic juniper]

Exactly. They have no evidence, it's all claims

[feral river]

but u need the game itself

[dense agate]

you have to prove the negative now

[turbid ivy]

What's the evidence it's a forgery

[dense agate]

ohh so creamAPI

[feral river]

i mean you just need the game itself like me and i will send you the stuff you can install the dlcs

[manic juniper]

That they were all written centuries after without any proof. Do you think the Yellow Emperor from China is real? What about Hellen? Romulus?

[dapper laurel]

Do you know if the new DCL on Germany has come out?

[feral river]

idk what's that shit but that's our chinese technology and I play cracked dlcs works normally

[manic juniper]

What about the father of Mindaugas and the Palemonids?

[feral river]

u should come too

we got 3 player now

[dense agate]

creamAPI sounds like what you're talkinga bout, own the base game and crack DLCs

[turbid ivy]

Gospels were written after centuries?

[cinder quartz]

↗️ ↗️ ↗️ ↗️

[dapper laurel]

When?

[manic juniper]

The genealogy documented there was

[dense agate]

link your steam account let me stalk you

[feral river]

I guess now im okay if we gonna do it now

[cinder quartz]

in November

[manic juniper]

Even if the gospels were written when Jesus was born it simply was centuries after

[cinder quartz]

as i kn

[dense agate]

someone's steam page tells us everything we need to know about them

[turbid ivy]

About Adam?

[feral river]

no dude you just need the game itself as I said

[dapper laurel]

Let's hope it's decent

[feral river]

i mean don't pay the dlc shit

[manic juniper]

About everyone on there, it's simply not true

[dense agate]

im not talking about the game. send your steam profile i want to check the game you play

[turbid ivy]

How did you know?

[manic juniper]

That's how forgery works, otherwise you believe that the hadiths are true when they, too, are a forgery

[feral river]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/WhatsFairy/

that's my steam profile

[manic juniper]

Because it's very common amongst people that want to give legitimacy to a religion or a dynasty, they forge the ancestry or attribute quotes out of nowhere

[dense agate]

2.5k hours on HOI4, i wasn't that far off lel

[feral river]

comeon it's gonna be fun bro

don't be silly I give you modifers

and cracked dlcs

[neat lion]

hello guys

[dense agate]

only 26min in TeamFortress 2, bad bad

[turbid ivy]

How do you prove it's a forgery?
Nice subjective opinion 😵‍💫

[feral river]

that's just my main acc

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-tf2-team-fortress-2-gif-11757086698902500791

[manic juniper]

How do you prove it isn't? Burden of proof

[cinder quartz]

i send u request

[feral river]

which one is you guys

[turbid ivy]

Well you claimed , burden of proof is on u

[cinder quartz]

14_q

[feral river]

I got a lot scammers added me

[manic juniper]

Yeah. I claimed that it isn't real, unless they prove that it is I'm right

[feral river]

accepted

[dense agate]

@feral river im going to send friend request but don't show my name in this chat

[feral river]

ok

[turbid ivy]

Provide the source for your claim nahah

[cinder quartz]

good

[thorny steeple]

well then you end up being able to do just that.

[turbid ivy]

Not nice lip

[dense agate]

i used to get perma spammed by Chinese from dota

[manic juniper]

So you would believe me if I said I'm the descendant of Jesus?

[hearty beacon]

Hi

[turbid ivy]

I won't

[feral river]

see dm

he said "add me brother"

[cinder quartz]

can u read ancient Chinese?

[manic juniper]

Why is that, what if I forge a document that proves it?

[turbid ivy]

You are not a Jew, besides, ,Jesus had no children

[manic juniper]

But I am... Minecraft and I converted just few days ago

Those are double standards then, you believe a claim from a random author but not the same claim from a living person

[feral river]

yeah we are all Jews, peace upon Israel 🇮🇱

[manic juniper]

Do you think the Yellow Emperor existed?

[feral river]

well I can read it but i don't understand what it means probably

[clear meadow]

yeah no

[feral river]

he is

[cinder quartz]

even this?

[feral river]

well that's part of our Chinese history

[feral river]

it's a pic for sure 豚理图

[cinder quartz]

What

[feral river]

I mean that character is 豚理图

the ancient Chinese is read from the right to left

[cinder quartz]

do u think i kn what tf is this

[dense agate]

is this why they differentiate between chinese and simplified chinese ?

[cinder quartz]

wow

[feral river]

I don't know either

🤣

[cinder quartz]

bruh

[feral river]

not a lot difference actually

[cinder quartz]

maybe it's clearer this way

[dense agate]

i am not seeing any dolphins

[cinder quartz]

me either

[feral river]

中华人民共和国是唯一能统治世界的大国

中華人民共和國是唯一能統治世界的大國

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287144476992868414/1289365593702666261/359102065bcbcc5cfac4db0f8135b94e.gif

[feral river]

People's Republic of China is the only great power able to rule the whole world

[dense agate]

the mandatory copy-paste script by PRC ?

[feral river]

first is the simplified, second is the traditional

[dense agate]

they look the same

almost the same

[feral river]

slight difference yes

[abstract vessel]

hello

[cinder quartz]

what abt ma pic

[dense agate]

it's similar to moving from Russian to Ukrainian

[cinder quartz]

nonononono man

[dense agate]

it is what it is

[feral river]

dude don't talk shit anymore let's do 2v1

[cinder quartz]

Ukrainian is quite dif from Russian

[feral river]

later im gonna sleep here's freaking almost 2am bro

[dense agate]

you should already be asleep dumbo

[feral river]

ah freak I just want to have fun

[manic juniper]

Some things between simplified and traditional are identical but many times they are not

[cinder quartz]

I can't today

u can take andosphere

[dense agate]

or so it seems

[cinder quartz]

@dapper laurel

[feral river]

我他妈是犹太人 我他媽是猶太人

I'm a freaking Jew

[dense agate]

you got like 3-4 games on steam that's it ??

[dapper laurel]

What happened?

2vs 2?

[manic juniper]

I asked my friend from Taiwan once about it, she told me about her experience. It's somewhat difficult to adjust the two

[cinder quartz]

minecraft want to play hoi

[manic juniper]

Sometimes it's confusing because one of the two uses a different logic or a more archaic one

[feral river]

oh u with @cinder quartz 2v1 im down with it

[dapper laurel]

If we are 4 we can do a 2vs2

[dapper laurel]

Tempting

[feral river]

he's not coming we can do 2v1

[cinder quartz]

I can't today

[feral river]

oh freak

[feral river]

come on this war you can't just avoid it

[dapper laurel]

Shall we do Friday?

[feral river]

I'm gonna smash you

[dapper laurel]

I have some free time

[feral river]

how about now

[dapper laurel]

I'm studying 🔥🔥🔥

[dense agate]

and aren't Taiwanese and Chinese Mandarin very similar as well ? i knew someone from Taiwan who said they can understand each other pretty well

[feral river]

u both studying like a freak I don't fucking study anytime

[dapper laurel]

Like smash or pass? I'm not gay, you know, mate

[feral river]

dude why you are on the way to being a nerd

stop that shit bro that ain't help ur life

😭

[dapper laurel]

You sound like my uncle when you say that

We usually have these conversations over beers

[manic juniper]

I think the spoken forms are closer to one another but written is a different beast, traditional Chinese users can understand simplified Chinese texts to a good extent but the opposite often isn't true. They don't have that many issues if it's spoken

[dapper laurel]

I miss the summer in southern Italy

It's all so grey here

[feral river]

im gonna shit myself if any of you guys talking about hoi4 and no one is gonna challenge me

[manic juniper]

My Taiwanese friend used a bridge's description as an example since it was written both in traditional and simplified, and the simplified form had a poorer description

[feral river]

wym by Taiwanese there's no Taiwanese bro

they are speaking Chinese using Traditional Chinese as their character 😭

[manic juniper]

Well true, it's traditional Chinese and it's used by other countries outside Taiwan

[manic juniper]

I believe more countries have traditional Chinese as standard than simplified

[feral river]

Taiwan is using traditional Chinese 😭

[manic juniper]

I think he meant the language of Taiwan

The Chinese of Taiwan

It's the same that China has in academic studies of literature

[feral river]

what the heck else languages they have besides Traditional Chinese ?

[manic juniper]

Minority languages

Taiwanese

[feral river]

I didn't get it

who the fuck some people thinking Taiwanese speaks Taiwanese

I'm not gonna say they are part of PRC but they are ROC, Republic of China

Taiwan is a province of Republic of China

Republic of China controls 2 provinces, Taiwan and Fujian

where the heck they came out a conclusion of Taiwanese stuff ?

[manic juniper]

Some of them do

It's not on Google Translate because it's a minority language

[feral river]

some of people also looking at the Chinese map says it's america

[dense agate]

yes, I knew their language is similar to that of China but not that they used "traditional Chinese"

[feral river]

BRO THEY ARE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE WITH US 😭

IT'S A SAME LANGUAGE 😭

[dense agate]

i'm aware of that, but not if they exclusively used traditional or simplified Chinese

[feral river]

if you know that we use traditional Chinese under the early years of PRC

simplifed Chinese were invented by the CCP

[manic juniper]

Simplified Chinese is traditional Chinese with missing body parts

[feral river]

for eliminate illiteracy

[manic juniper]

I've heard that excuse but honestly I've also seen that other Chinese speaking countries were able to achieve similar results with traditional Chinese

[dense agate]

well i clearly didn't know that

is Traditional Chinese irrelevant right now within China ? have they made the full switch to Simplified Chinese ?

[feral river]

okay let's break into it, Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese just have a slight difference on character appearance

they share the same pronunciation system, same grammar system

[manic juniper]

Only in academy circles, the average Chinese person can't understand the exclusive parts of traditional

[feral river]

and it's a same language using different character to display it

[dense agate]

did they like try to add a parallel -and more simplified- language while maintianing the other or did they follow a similar path like Turkey did with Ataturk

[manic juniper]

And yes most people couldn't use traditional Chinese in China to begin with, so the switch was from illiteracy to simplified

[feral river]

well all of my friend understands traditional Chinese I don't see there's someone don't understand it

[manic juniper]

Rather than traditional to simplified

[feral river]

even in the mainland we use Simplified Chinese but some cases we still use traditional one

[dense agate]

i see

[manic juniper]

The written form I mean, can they?

[feral river]

well yes

they can read the traditional Chinese

I can read it too

[manic juniper]

Is it easy?

[feral river]

if you show me an article written in traditional Chinese I can read it as I'm reading simplifed version

[feral river]

yeah damn easy

I don't even study for it but I understand it

[thorny steeple]

guys which chatgpt prompts do you use?

[feral river]

well for cultural reference and other purposes still available

and even in some region like Guangdong province, Guangxi province, Traditional Chinese is widely used

[manic juniper]

Do you study these too?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_character_radicals

[feral river]

that's what we study when we are a kid

like pre-primary school

if you don't study it it's gonna be a tough work for you in primary school

because after the graduation you must be able to write 1200 characters essays

[manic juniper]

There are some studies that suggest East Asians score higher in IQ because their writing systems stimulate pattern recognition

And some studies suggest that countries with traditional Chinese score even higher because it's more complex

[manic juniper]

And memory

[feral river]

I will send my kid to Taiwan for primary school, to Japan for middle school, to US for high school, to Europe for university

and let him decide where to settle

also it's in China for pre-primary school and he lives in China

maybe I will live in China or the US

she/he must be at least quadrilingual

I can't accept if he just like me speaking flawed Japanese and English and only have basic recognition of Korean

as a native Chinese understand both simplified and traditional character

he/she have to be fluent in Chinese, English, Japanese at least and able to speak Hebrew

every Jew dies returns to Israel

[deep leaf]

Is taiwan good for primary school?

[feral river]

I guess it's not bad

[deep leaf]

Ok. N hows china

[feral river]

nice I live in China it's been good

[deep leaf]

From which city u r?

[feral river]

Jinan city, capital of the Shandong province

[deep leaf]

Ok. It looks developed n beautiful

[dense agate]

can you link one ? i can't seem to find any about this just ones that talk international disparities but without talking about linguistics

like this one : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4804158/

[manic juniper]

I can't find it again, but I don't think it was that conclusive anyway

[dense agate]

bummer, was hoping to find some insight about why Easterners seem to score much better, especially since IQ tests are criticized for being culturally biased and White-centric

[manic juniper]

Another research I've seen about black people IQ scores also showed that there was a specific phenomenon that made them score worse because of those expectations leading them to worse results

I'll see if I can find that one

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5567740/

[dense agate]

hmmm, i mean i've read some studies about how adding incentives can improve the score of the examinee but this is an interesting take

there is one i've seen a while ago -not a study but an article- which i can't seem to find again, but it was comparing IQ scores between races within the US but it also included African migrants, and they show much better scores than African-Americans

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886920301513

[dense agate]

and then there are studies like this that somewhat hints at a connection between SES and genetics, and how they form a positive feedback loop

[sage jay]

Heyyyy im writing a proposal about bilingualism can you help me by any chance?

[turbid ivy]

Huh, that looks like crocodile 🐊

[manic juniper]

I live in the nostril

[manic juniper]

How

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

Uh I dunno, maybe search on YouTube

My major is finance

[lime jolt]

What should I order randomly, tell me something funny? (a cloth article)

[feral river]

Rename it to west Russian sea

[compact sinew]

Hey y'all
My name is Julie, I'm 25

[weary belfry]

#📝｜introduction It would be better if you send this message there

[smoky pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-drinking-again-violet-mom-did-you-drink-are-you-drunk-gif-19784547

[turbid ivy]

nope

[smoky pagoda]

Good

Are you smoking weed?

[smoky pagoda]

Or something

[smoky pagoda]

Nobu who made your website?

And how much did it cost

[turbid ivy]

[smoky pagoda]

[turbid ivy]

I myself

[turbid ivy]

It only costs to buy the domain and hosting for the site, depends on which plan of hosting you buy. It costs me almost 20 dollars

[smoky pagoda]

Can do nothing

Guess who said that

[smoky pagoda]

A year?

Or a month

[turbid ivy]

Year, almost 30 USD

I dont know coding, so i use wordpress

[smoky pagoda]

Gr8

[smoky pagoda]

Bruhhhhhhhhh I just completed a Bible verse for funny where Jesus says I myself can do nothing

[smoky pagoda]

My website is built using framer

But it didn't cost me anything to make

Completely free

[turbid ivy]

YOu can build free website in wordpess, the wordpress provides the free domain and hosting of 1 GB, but web hyper link would be like this ... hanee.wordpress.com
Doesnt look cool

[smoky pagoda]

[smoky pagoda]

Fr fr

Own domain is better

https://walkersagency.framer.website/

[smoky pagoda]

Checkout my website

[turbid ivy]

ye, ur using domain of framer, that's why there is site.framer

[smoky pagoda]

Yea

I didn't pay for domain

But I'll shift it to a proper domain soon

[turbid ivy]

It seems almost blank, what it is about
check mine apologetics-101.com

www.apologetics-101.com

[smoky pagoda]

Yea yea I did bro

[turbid ivy]

https://apologetics-101.com

[smoky pagoda]

💀 It's about an video editing agency

One page website won't contain many pages

Ofc lol they're supposed to be small websites

[turbid ivy]

Lol, freelacing? Buy your own domain and hosting

[smoky pagoda]

Yes I'll soon

I'm broke at the moment

[turbid ivy]

transfer this site into a new domain

[smoky pagoda]

Yep I'll

[smoky pagoda]

How's the website design and all?

[turbid ivy]

Is that costly in Pakistan? In Nepal, it's pretty cheap for the basic plan

[smoky pagoda]

I didn't even check the price lol

[turbid ivy]

Monthly plan, it costs only 5 usd

[turbid ivy]

It's fine

[smoky pagoda]

I'll just buy once for a whole year

[turbid ivy]

yea

Godaddy is pretty costly

[smoky pagoda]

You're the first person who said it's fine all the other said bro it's Gr8

[smoky pagoda]

Yep thugs

[smoky pagoda]

About the website and about the video Editing as well

[turbid ivy]

When you have to renew, they cost a lot

[smoky pagoda]

💀 Oh yea don't remind me lol cuz of that one of my client got very mad

[turbid ivy]

Design is fine

[smoky pagoda]

What about videos that I have edited

Did you see the whole website till the footer or no lol

[turbid ivy]

There isn't any video

[smoky pagoda]

Are you joking lol

There is

💀

3 shorts are playing on auto without any sound

Just click on portfolio

On the navbar

[smoky pagoda]

Look

[turbid ivy]

That's part of that thumbnail

[smoky pagoda]

Look three videos there playing

[smoky pagoda]

I think 🤔 it's not loading properly for you

[turbid ivy]

Looks like a thumbnail

[turbid ivy]

It is

[smoky pagoda]

On the website brotha

Is it working the video

[smoky pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-idk-man-skill-issue-idk-man-seems-like-a-gif-24725965

[lavish creek]

languages of indigenous ppl?

[turbid ivy]

@weary belfry did you buy those books

[smoky pagoda]

What books?

[feral river]

Japanese ?

are there any indigenous ppl in Taiwan ?

@shy summit that's what you should try if you firmly believe that you gonna win

[thorny steeple]

Guten morgen

[manic juniper]

Yes, they are related to Filipinos

[thorny steeple]

"I guess so. I can read almost any book I want without relying too much on a dictionary, watch TV shows at a 90% comprehension rate and write with few mistakes"

@shy summit as a Native speaker, does the sentence above seem bad written or unnatural to you?

A guy saw this and said I'd never be an advanced speaker. Not that I need approval, I don't believe him, but I feel particularly curious about what made he do that

[turbid ivy]

QURAN and hadiths

[weary belfry]

Hellow, which books?

[feral river]

are these source reliable ? or it's just used for against our policy

[manic juniper]

I mean one of their most recent president of Taiwan literally was of Taiwanese indigenous descent...

If I'm not mistaken the KMT genocided them, or Japan did, or likely both

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsai_Ing-wen
Her grandmother was a Paiwan

[feral river]

she's an authoritarian leader 🤣

[limpid creek]

Can I interview someone here about my school work?

[smoky pagoda]

On vc?

[limpid creek]

On call but off cam is fine

[smoky pagoda]

I can't come on vc right now I would love to but can't right now sorry

[limpid creek]

Its fine

[smoky pagoda]

[turbid ivy]

Hadiths and the Qur'an

Nihhih

[weary belfry]

I don't have a book abt hadith. I haven't finished the Quran either

Wbu

[turbid ivy]

Lol, how did you become a Muslim

[turbid ivy]

Vc, I have a question

[weary belfry]

Don't have time for it

[turbid ivy]

💀

[weary belfry]

If that's okay, you can ask here

But not on vc

[dreamy venture]

I think thats not okay

[weary belfry]

lol

[turbid ivy]

Why are you a Muslim

[weary belfry]

I said yesterday that I resigned from religious matters

Not my area of expertise

Religion

[dreamy venture]

I can give u easy answer, because he think that he’s religion is truth

[weary belfry]

Waow. Nice and true answer

[turbid ivy]

Why

[turbid ivy]

But they haven't read about it

[weary belfry]

I'm bored of these topics cuz.

[turbid ivy]

It sounds like jumping in a river without knowing bow to swim

[turbid ivy]

[weary belfry]

[dreamy venture]

If u are not professional on this topic u cant argue about religion

I know that to argue about islam u need to know full Koran

[turbid ivy]

Imma pro

[turbid ivy]

I know

[weary belfry]

Why tho

[turbid ivy]

Huh

[weary belfry]

Why did you read the Quran?

What's the reason

[turbid ivy]

I first read it because I had to debate with Muslims. I can't attack them without knowing what it is about

[weary belfry]

Waow. Nice answer

[fleet bobcat]

hello?

[weary belfry]

Hellow

[fleet bobcat]

hwru ?

[turbid ivy]

Ehmm, I read for years

[weary belfry]

Nothin' much, thanks and how's there

[weary belfry]

Interestin' ngl

[dreamy venture]

And u find some mistakes?

[weary belfry]

Hearing a Christian recite the Quran

Really interestin

[turbid ivy]

Hh yeah

[turbid ivy]

A lot

[turbid ivy]

I didn't recite it, I only read it

[dreamy venture]

For Example?

[weary belfry]

Oh, kay. Got it

[weary belfry]

Demn. Now you will encounter nobu's long messages

[fleet bobcat]

good thnx for ask

[weary belfry]

My pleasure

[fleet bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/mila-stauffer-whatever-eye-roll-gif-16143355836774493887

[turbid ivy]

• Like Qur'an says Mary is the sister of Aaron
• Jesus not God
• Muhammad prophet of God
• There are mathematical errors
• Semen comes from the backbone
• Setting place for the sun
• earth is flat

[fleet bobcat]

jai shree ram

[turbid ivy]

It also claims Alexander the great was a righteous man, when in actually, he was humosexual

[turbid ivy]

If you have any questions about Christianity

[weary belfry]

Can I ask you?

If i have a qn abt it

[turbid ivy]

Sure, we are also in the vc

[turbid ivy]

Sure

[weary belfry]

If I catch you on vc, I'll be sure to ask you

[turbid ivy]

I will very much be consistent to answer the questions

[turbid ivy]

I thought you were going to ask 😕

[weary belfry]

Appreciate it

[turbid ivy]

[weary belfry]

Ah, no, I don't have any qn rn

[turbid ivy]

Guys if are Muslims, please join the live vc

[lavish creek]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_Taiwan

[thorny steeple]

do you read the tafsir ?

[turbid ivy]

Yea

[thorny steeple]

which one do you use

[dreamy venture]

Ok.
First 3 u can’t say thats not true, because its sayed in Biblia
About 4 i wanna talk later
5 its true, i heard about it, its true but its can do only good medic, i hope that u understand what i wanna say
6. Its very hard question, and i can’t explain u that on eng but if u want i can send news but it on Russian
And can u explain wdum on the last 2?

[dreamy venture]

.

[lavish creek]

i never said there are a lot of them!

[feral river]

I see.

[clear meadow]

1- we already went through this argument and u got cooked so u started making none sense up
2- Jesus IS NOT God. In what logic is Jesus being God makes sense
3- Yeah and?
4- Evidence?
5- "Sperm" is not mentioned in verse 86:6 or 7 but if u still want to interpret it that way then sure. after spermatogenesis the sperm moves from the nuts through the epididymis and up to the sperm duct and goes up near the seminal vesicle and the seminal vesicle is very important because it has most of the fluids ejected in the ejaculation and it acts as a vector to the sperms and keeps the sperm alive so now anatomically speaking the seminal vesicle is between the backbone (anything parallel to it too) and the ribs
5- elaborate further
6- 3rd grader ahh argument ngl... u are referring to verse 20:53 the word used in this verse is "mahdaa/mahdan" which translates to cradle or bed and it is referring to the earth's crust being a bed or a cradle which is relatively thin and blocks most of the heat underneath the crust and this is further supported by what follows it (growing various plants and setting roadways) are both connected to the earth crust and the word mahdan can also be interpreted as safe and comfortable because earth is more comfortable and habitable than the rest of the planets

[clear meadow]

believing in the trinity is just crazy bro

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-this-peak-peaking-kevin-hart-tilt-shades-gif-26320836

Hun, believing in any magical being that breaks all the rules is crazy.

[dense agate]

why isn't there a purely political VC, every voice chat dedicated to discussions is one way or another related to religion

[shy summit]

Because religion is one of our earliest legal systems. Even if its a very bad one

[clear meadow]

dont talk about something u dont know anything about

[shy summit]

🤣 Why are you assuming I don’t know anything,

Seems a lil’ weird.

[clear meadow]

provide evidence with ur claims maybe

[shy summit]

I mean, you don’t know if I know anything about the subject. You just assumed I was ignorant. And on what basis did you do that, might I add?

[clear meadow]

U didnt provide any evidence with ur statement so i assumed u were one of those who dont know anything about religion

[shy summit]

For all you know I could have taken two years worth of classes on the subject of religion, sociology and cultural anthropology.

Instead of asking, “Why do you say that?” Or “On what basis are you making that statement?” Your initial reaction is to question my knowledge on the subject matter.

[feral river]

it's just outdated as an ideology that basically blocking the development of the science.

[clear meadow]

what religion tho? or is it every religion

[clear meadow]

Again...

[feral river]

science development determines the national power that ultimately influences other nations by force

[shy summit]

There are plenty of reasons to reject god claims;

Theoddisy arguments

Logical contradictions

Special pleading

The inability to provide sound evidence for or against the claim.

Russel’s Teapot

Scientific criticism

Logical citicism

[feral river]

there's a famous word by Stalin: The pope how many troops he have ?

[shy summit]

Monotheistic faiths are especially problematic in terms of logical backing, as they often boast the existence of an omni-being.

[clear meadow]

No way u are taking quotes from stalin the mass murderer

[feral river]

I don't think the troops organized by the pope have the same combat power with the communist forces and the professional capitalist army

ofc they gonna be ass kicked

[shy summit]

Ignore my friend of the red menace here for a moment. They see all things in terms of power. He’s a an extreme-realist.

[feral river]

no idea on what you are talking about, he's a controversial leader that he destroyed Nazi Germany, he succeeded the power it's a poor nation and under his rule he transformed it to a superpower very soon.

[clear meadow]

yeah im gonna listen to nale thats crazy ong

[dense agate]

well it's due time for a secular VC

[feral river]

well I don't see what else I can be, at least I agree with you on this point

[shy summit]

That’s literally just p&r xD

[dense agate]

one would assume, except it's 40% religion 60% irrelevant stuff

[shy summit]

Most of us are secularists in P&R, most of us are either agnostic or atheist

[clear meadow]

what are ur logical criticism?

[shy summit]

The issue of the problem of evil comes to mind. An omni-being can’t exist in tandem with the concept of will-unconstrained, which makes common themes of judgement somewhat irrelevant as anything that happens would have to either be permitted or not permitted before it existed. God would knowingly put people in situations where they would fail to follow the rules that god itself created.

Inadvertently, think of it like this. God, knowing you will come to have a tough time with drugs, sends you onto earth into a poor family, in a poor neighborhood where drugs are prevalent in your environment.

God knows what choices you will make when presented with certain scenarios, and then chooses what scenarios you are presented with in life.

This takes away an important level of philosophical agency in the paradigm that also tries to claim the importance of personal responsibility.

[feral river]

before you made this example that already assumes you are in faith on god or affiliated with some type of religion on your mind to imagine this situation.

[shy summit]

I’m an atheist. This is a deconstruction of a monotheistic paradigm

[feral river]

I personally think it's not a good start point so

[shy summit]

I’m speaking to someone whom I assume is at least familiar with basic concepts of monotheistic religion like all knowing and all powerful beings, and the concept of judgement after death.

[feral river]

well... hard to understand it actually I prefer that philosophy you can come to a simple question of proof the existence of god.

[shy summit]

You can’t prove or disprove god.

Not philosophically at least

[feral river]

well that's it, done because you can't proof its existence

[shy summit]

Yes. Its the issue of Russel’s teapot.

[feral river]

you can't really pretend there's a thing that negatively exist, and correlation does not imply causation.

that's my philosophy of rejecting god's existence

what it comes to the mind of religious people which they already have a firm believe of what it told to them whatsoever without questioning.

that's why I don't think it's necessary to debate about how is this religion make sense, because it's totally subjective.

and in modern days development, religion always been a rock that blocks you to achieve more science breakthrough to protect their so-called ideology

[clear meadow]

God gives u the free will and moral responsibility.. free will grants u the ability to make ur own decisions grow, learn, and potentially overcome ur issues... God’s foreknowledge does not negate the individual's freedom to resist or make other choices and in scenarios like this people who overcome it in islam receive more deeds

[shy summit]

God gives you limited will. Your actions are, to an extent, deterministic, affected by environment, knowledge, and neurology.

I do not simply refer to god’s foreknowledge.

I refer to the fact that god knowingly puts men in places where they fester and grow malice inside them.

Put a man in poverty, fathered by a man who’s like to beat him, and that person will be more likely to become a domestic abuser.

This is the problem. Sociopaths are allowed to be born in circumstances where they are likely to kill.

God doesn’t have to do that, allow them to be born with a neurological defect that prevents them from feeling empathy or remorse.

But he allows it. And he allows it, knowing the outcome.

If I sell a man a gun, and I know he is mentally unstable, or that he intends to do harm, I am as much responsible for the harm that man creates.

God enables suffering, murderers, rape, genocide, hatred and exploitation.

And God does this with full knowledge.

If god does exist, they’re one nasty son of a bitch and not the benevolent being so many claim.

[dense agate]

there is no such thing as Free Will, only environmental determinism

[clear meadow]

God may grant humans a form of free will that exists within the constraints of their environment and circumstances.. Poverty or abuse don’t fully erase free will but it limits it and even in a difficult environment, the individual retains some agency and moral responsibility. plus in islam god does not punish anyone unfairly

[shy summit]

Who put that soul on the planet in that moment at that time?

https://tenor.com/view/great-power-great-responsibility-spiderman-uncle-ben-gif-14601928

It is as Uncle Ben says

And God in this circumstance is the greatest power the ultimate one. Therefore he bears the ultimate responsibility.

[clear meadow]

God may allow individuals to endure circumstances that predispose them toward harmful behaviors as part of a greater plan for them to confront and overcome those inclinations...

[shy summit]

That plan includes doing harm then.

[clear meadow]

If they overcome it then they will receive more deeds

[shy summit]

And yet he puts people in positions where they are guaranteed to fail.

Sounds like a real dick. Especially if he’s then going to punish them for all eternity.

[clear meadow]

No if u do harm then u did not overcome it

[clear meadow]

I told u god doesnt treat anyone unfairly

[shy summit]

Child cancer wouldn’t exist then. Downs syndrome would not exist.

All these things that make it harder for people to do good, or lead them to do wrong? He wouldn’t allow it. Intrinsic qualities or environmental factors that stand in the way of moral good.

[clear meadow]

in some cases u are guaranteed to fail.. u will be sent to heaven for the pain u have been through as a reward

[clear meadow]

they all go to heaven dude.. thats the thing

[shy summit]

Then what was the point of the suffering

For kicks? The enjoyment?

It’s god, he can do anything. He can teach without harm. He can do these things, but he didn’t

He chose suffering, he chose harm

[clear meadow]

whats the point of good if there was no bad

[clear meadow]

Certainly not

[dapper laurel]

They are two sides of the same coin

They are complementary

[clear meadow]

Some people are born miserable but they get rewarded with far greater rewards for the pain they went through

[dense agate]

so an omnipotent being, goodness itself needs evil to justify it's existence, and belief has to be coerced through pain ?

[feral river]

what's the point of make you thinking a thing that rather it's good or bad ?

is that really necessary that you have to know what are the good things or bad things from nowhere ?

[clear meadow]

Life is a test that tests whether you are a good person or not

so bad exists

[dense agate]

but god is all knowing

[clear meadow]

and he gives u the ability to experience life and make ur own discissions

[feral river]

not surprised if you are unable to answer any of my questions

[dense agate]

is he ignorant to the decisions I'm going to make ? doesn't he know everything about his realm ?

[clear meadow]

i answered ur question by answering saimon's

[feral river]

I ain't even let you get into that logical nowhere like what these guys going to

[clear meadow]

No?

[feral river]

your answer is "Life is a test that tests whether you are a good person or not" to is that really necessary that you have to know what are the good things or bad things from nowhere ?

[dense agate]

then what's the point of having us go through the test of life ?

[feral river]

that's your answer of this question right ?

[dense agate]

Minecraft believes in Guns, if god got something better than nukes, he's believing

[feral river]

dude 🤣

I believe in truth.

[clear meadow]

Because u would not have an excuse to the bad things u did

[clear meadow]

wdym by nowhere

[feral river]

where does that comes from ?

your statement

[clear meadow]

My religion

[feral river]

you gonna use your religion to convince me huh ?

[clear meadow]

bro wth are u on

[dense agate]

what excuse ? God knows what good deeds or sins we would do, whether there is an excuse form our side or not

[feral river]

im on myself like you you said you are on your religion

you gonna use your religion context to convince other people ?

is that correct

no one ever forced you into this, it's you using your way to tell me what the hell is your religion

I just gave you some simple questions and what you have said is "bro wth are you on"

I have no idea on what the heck are you on.

I'm just asking where does that freaking stuff comes from

[clear meadow]

"I was punished without going through life"

[dense agate]

but who are we to judge the the all mighty ? are we bargaining with god in the after life ?

[feral river]

they are not required to convince me if they got something better than nukes

[clear meadow]

what "freaking stuff comes from" dude? my answers? it comes from my religion

[clear meadow]

We're not to judge.. its because god is fair

[feral river]

where does your religion comes from

[clear meadow]

God

[feral river]

what is god ?

[clear meadow]

All powerful being

[feral river]

from what ?

from your religion ?

yes or no

[clear meadow]

in the Abrahamic religions yes

where are u going with this?

[feral river]

so you just believed in a religion that explaned you all of these without proof and I asked you where does that comes from you said it's from your religion after all.

you just believed in a religion out of nowhere, no reason, no intention

[clear meadow]

arent u the same dude who gave me a quote of stalin yapping about how the pope didnt have a massive army

[clear meadow]

oml

[feral river]

see what you have said, I asked you where does that comes from you said your religion

after all god is also part of your religion

all of them part of your religion very good man you are fully aware of it

[clear meadow]

i study my religion i did not believe it out of no where dude

[dense agate]

the world's leading religions

[feral river]

idk what you have studied but it seems you believed into it out of nowhere you try can proof a counter point

[feral river]

U S A

[clear meadow]

ah so u switched the argument to whether islam is true or not

[feral river]

ALL OF MY FAVORITE BESIDES INDIA AND PAKISTAN

[dense agate]

god is fair? a person is born grows up and end up becoming alcoholic, rapists, murderer... etc dooming his faith to hell, while his other sibling died shortly after he was born, so he goes to heaven

[feral river]

I did not. I asked you where does that comes from and it's you said from your religion

[dense agate]

one can say if his brother was to live and grow he could've committed simlar sins and went to hell

[clear meadow]

Religion and logic dude i swear this guy

[dense agate]

China better catch up

[wanton siren]

religion and logic do not go in the same sentence

[feral river]

yeah 🤣

it was a little unexpected he just said it was comes from his religion

then okay very good I don't think I need more demonstrations anymore

[clear meadow]

u just described justice

[feral river]

It's on the list!

[clear meadow]

Where does ur questions come from?

[feral river]

my mouth

oh freak not my mouth my freaking hand texting over here

[dense agate]

how is that justice ? if that first was to die young like his sibling, he would've been in heaven

[feral river]

operated by my brain that functions like a cpu based on carbon-based protein with electric connections

[manic juniper]

I invented communism

[dense agate]

time for another Great Leap Forward but for nukes

[clear meadow]

The sibling who died didnt live therefore he goes to heaven as compensation
the other sibling who lived decided to commit sins

[clear meadow]

alr u are just rage baiting

"Where does ur religious answers come from" says the commi guy

[dense agate]

as a compensation for something that God did to him ?

[clear meadow]

i gtg to study

[clear meadow]

u prefer earth over heaven thats crazy

[feral river]

1st, im anti-communist

2nd, I didn't rage you, it's you raged urself by your answer

I said nothing besides some questions on you

[dense agate]

that's like saying i prefer heaven over Azeroth

[feral river]

that's 2 bombs, 1 satelites

LED BY MAO ZEDONG AND IT WAS SUCCESSFUL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Bombs,_One_Satellite

[clear meadow]

Yes because its god's plan and its fair

gotta dip to study cya guys

nice convo

[feral river]

天上太阳红呀红彤彤诶, 心中的太阳是毛泽东诶

The sun on the sky is damn damn red eh, the sun in the heart is Mao zedong eh

[dense agate]

im listening to it right now

[dense agate]

sure, another time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjNpRbNdR7E&ab_channel=MeheandusRevolution

[feral river]

yeah this is the one I'm mentioning 🤣

I will listen it too

[dense agate]

i unironically like it

whenever im playing Qing in Victoria 3, i have it on

[feral river]

im playing hoi4 lol

[dense agate]

as China ?

[feral river]

observer mode with commands on

[dense agate]

hahaha, is this with mods ?

i've tried this but with a modern border mod

[feral river]

some adjustment mods nothing changed much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXo5w7aPJDA

@dense agate u should listen the real K-pop

[shy summit]

A lack of suffering. The point of good is the absence of suffering.

[frosty field]

this a good score?🫡

[deep leaf]

Hlo guys

[thorny steeple]

hello

[safe radish]

hello

i have been using this amazing app thats been helping me with writing in english

I dictate in my spanish and it writers it in english, word to work

It's unbelievable, check it out

https://www.flowvoice.ai/ all I do is hold the Fn key on my macbook and talk

[turbid ivy]

[prisma cipher]

He give human freedom to decide.

[dense agate]

a nation's senpai

[shy summit]

Not all the freedom. They bound them by their context, then gave some of man contexts that would foster murderers, rapists, liars and thieves.

[prisma cipher]

Yes freedom. Freedom to be good or bad.

[shy summit]

Are you limited?

If you are limited you are not free

[prisma cipher]

I don't even want to argue with you.

[dense agate]

when you know you can't prove free will exists

[prisma cipher]

I don't want to explain things that are obvious

[dense agate]

more like counter intuitive

[prisma cipher]

Man has freedom of choice, and this can explain any human crime.. It like I'm arguing with lil kid.

Of what is God ask kid, why World is so bad if we have god

It was explained so many times

[dense agate]

do you even know what's the definition of Free Will ?

"the ability to act beyond the limits of external influences or wishes"

[prisma cipher]

I'm not interested, I don't see any reason to argue

[dense agate]

sure, and just stop baiting

[clear meadow]

Free of will within constraints of their environment

[shy summit]

A will constrained is a will not free.

[clear meadow]

Free of will is always there but limited in certain cases

[clear meadow]

if there was only good then life would be meaningless

because it wouldnt be a test

[shy summit]

If god has preordained all things then it is not a test but a performance.

[prisma cipher]

It's obvious. Super boring talk about obviously thing

[earnest axle]

Lol

[clear meadow]

I think it's pretty intriguing

[midnight jasper]

What is the topic

[rich thorn]

about free will

[static pivot]

@rich thorn

lemi boy

[rich thorn]

hi chief

[toxic belfry]

Hey

[midnight jasper]

Oh Ok What a free will you have

[rich thorn]

i meant they were talking about this topic.

[midnight jasper]

Ohh ok ok sry dude

[clear meadow]

ok tf

please be a translation error

🙏

[quaint anchor]

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[latent hatch]

Hello guys

[tawny siren]

hello

[tawny siren]

hello !

[latent hatch]

How are you

[thorny steeple]

Sure. Though they say you should decrease your level by one (in that case, it'd be C1), because EFSet tend to exaggerate on these tests in order to persuade people on buying its products

[feral river]

Ain’t bad if they are still taking a lot of efforts on marketing their own good that generates profit

[feral river]

Btw I don’t think it’s bad

I love the world I live in

This is an amazing world that all the stuff I love exists

I’m not a leftist dreaming their shit wanted to normalize stuff in order to be in power while complaining to the world or freaking god something

I’m already struggling to make world great again in my ways

[queen laurel]

hi

[hidden marten]

Hi, I’ve a couple of questions for y’all:
What options would you opt when you know

1. the elections are rigged and no matter who you vote for the decision is already made
2. all the electoral candidates/parties are corrupt

[feral river]

The voter decides nothing, the people who count the vote decides everything. - Joseph Stalin

[thorny steeple]

Hey

[shy summit]

🤦‍♂️ Bro please. Stop being fucking cringe

[feral river]

lol

Anyways 😂

The word I learned from world leaders is more than the rice you ate

[deep leaf]

2

[deep leaf]

Will xi jinping ever get dethroned by his party members?

[feral river]

not possible he's the most powerful leader after the Mao's era

a very influential and decisive figure in CCP

[frosty field]

Then it's impossible to actually score C2 on there. It's literally the highest score...

[hidden marten]

That’s not an option that’s second question…. The options are open you bring your options what you gonna do in these two situations

[dense agate]

they're estimations, but that doesn't mean they're far from the real number, and China's nuclear arsenal is growing rapidly.

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/langostino19gif-go-back-i-want-to-be-monkey-gif-19679655

[dense agate]

hopefully that also means he's going to be embalmed after his death

[rancid elbow]

Wouldn't give a shit about politics at all. It has nothing to do with my civilian ass. Next question?

[prisma cipher]

Nothing cringe. Just fun. Not sure if Stalin said that but.. I like how they going mad about Stalin

[coarse dagger]

Hello everyone I am new here

[prisma cipher]

Stalin is it's like holy water for american devils

[prisma cipher]

Main chat is general, just in case

[coarse dagger]

I just wanted to ask,is this like a debate channel for skt?

Smt*

[prisma cipher]

Kinda yes

[coarse dagger]

Oh my type of thing.I like debating science,ethics and philosophy (^.^)

[quaint dune]

Ethics?

[coarse dagger]

I mean like morality in grey topics

Like abortion

[prisma cipher]

abortion is evil, not allowing people to have abortions is even more evil.

[quaint dune]

For real

[prisma cipher]

I leave out the cases abortions for medical reasons

[rancid elbow]

Technically, it is better not to give birth than ruining someone's entire life. So it's rather an act of kindness to me

Anybody can become a parent but not anybody can actually be one

[prisma cipher]

but there is room for debate, what is life, do we have the right to end life. what is considered life, the first heartbeat or a formed organism. So it was just my opinion.

I just follow the logic that if we forbid women from doing this, they will most likely use shady ways to get an abortion.

[rancid elbow]

Which may lead to complications

And worsen what's already broken

[hidden marten]

Let me make it clear, it’s a general chat and I asked this question to everyone, not specially interviewing you, so don’t act smart and watch your manners

[feral river]

not gonna happen our cult of personality is being unanimously criticized after the cultural revolution

[feral river]

well basically we don't even debate or care about this point but just let it go as what it always be seen as a general case.

I don't see there's a necessity that you have define the baby inside of the womb is a life or not

and we can't really enforce the abortion but use abortion as a political agenda to seize power

that's totally pointless

it was some theory like if how the guilty were deeply linked to be morality correct or political correct, if established then there's no necessity of the law.

even though you banned abortion, it will still exist as always and literally you can get 0 benefit from this decree but spend more on enforcement

that's completely unrealistic

for america I would say it's at the middle point of between corrected by morality and political factors and using objective scale based on rule of law to justice every case.

China, the law is above morality and political factors, even some cases we do consider how it make sense on political/moral orientation but still being determined by law.

It's hard to say which one is better, but both have a strong influence on the society

all of these are ultimately based on the force.

[rancid elbow]

Let's make something else clear as well. You would've not asked us if you truly held the power to change the game. You don't matter just like us. I, at least, know where I stand and don't bother about what I have no control over. So who's exactly acting smart here?

[feral river]

that's why I always use force as the starting point from my perspective

[hidden marten]

Why do you think that the civil society doesn’t have the power to bring change or show any resistance?

[feral river]

there's only 2 type of society, one is with order, other one is without order.

[dense agate]

dude lel

[feral river]

civil one I guess that's what you wanted to say it's a society in your favor

[dense agate]

Minecraft, do you know Foucault ?

[feral river]

not much I know this guy, a French

he's a communist ? idk

[dense agate]

you should give some of his books a try, like the "Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison"

[feral river]

well I will see anyway

[dense agate]

he's not

[dense agate]

it'll help you polish your understanding when it comes to society, authority and their relations

[feral river]

I guess anyway

I don't see there's something more powerful than nukes

biological weapons ? idk if they have significant achievement

or space weapons ? it's gonna be my fav in the future

[coarse dagger]

What are u guys talking about m

[dense agate]

do nukes help deter social unrests ?

[feral river]

well, I guess it's no

but guns could deter social unrests

[dense agate]

also no

[coarse dagger]

So can alcohol

[feral river]

it can exactly

if we killed the guy who created the mess, problem solved

[dense agate]

history is rich of examples showcasing the opposite

[dense agate]

decapitation also doesn't work

it's like saying killing Nasrallah would end Hezbollah

[feral river]

it's not enough we need kill all of them

obviously they are at the opposite

[dense agate]

the feasibility of such thing is also questionable

[feral river]

it exists all the time in history

and it was successful

[dense agate]

imagine we put you at the head of Egyptian state in 2011, the protesters have stroked all the streets, the whole country is out, there is no way in or out

you have the military around your building

they can attempt to shoot everyone, they would be overtaken

[feral river]

well it's not always necessary to use the force to solve the problem

first we could try to use broadcast to told them to leave or we made compromise

if they don't give a shit, let polices go, use water cannon and tell them to leave

[dense agate]

yes, that's the point im hinting at, the use of physical tools isn't always the solution

[feral river]

if they go violence, we arrest them, if they go rebellion, we eliminate them

[dense agate]

there are psychological means of maintain such order

like the theory of panopticon

[feral river]

yeah I know that we use the most efficient way, cheap way not the way that will get you to sequela

but all of these way available based on one thing, force.

without force, there's nothing available for you.

[dense agate]

and in the case of mass protests, it's not viable to use total force against them, since even if the state manages to survive, they would've caused too much damage and harm to the nation as a whole

[rancid elbow]

Because power defines everything. And civil lives are the lowest in hierarchy. If they really could bring about change, why is nobody rebelling? Right, some are but it's so insignificant that cannot be sensed by anyone. The following question is why is the majority not bothered to fight for their rights. This one is even simpler to grasp. They do feel comfortable being forever in slavery. Because it's too risky to stand up and bark fearlessly when you've made rabbits like yourself that you're obligated to pay for until they turn 18.

[warm moon]

until they finish school including uni in my country*, so arguably even "worse"

I think there is a certain threshold of dissatisfaction that has to be reached by the majority for protests to occur on mass scale. It can definitely happen, e.g. fall of the iron curtain

[feral river]

depends what type of mass protest it is

攘外必先安内

before you go against the external enemies, it's compulsory to eliminate the internal enemies first. - Chiang Kai Shek

[dense agate]

what if the internal enemies are 70% of the population who are unsatisfied with the ruling power

[feral river]

well you can be unsatisfied no problem but depends what actions you gonna take

[dense agate]

is the state there to serve the people or the opposite

[dense agate]

protesting ? social unrest ?

[feral river]

regime are the ultimate factor of its goal on what they wanted to achieve, not the state

[dense agate]

but the regime rules the state

[feral river]

arrest with police water cannon

[feral river]

yeah so you gonna ask if the regime is satisfying its people

not the state

state is always there

if 70% of the population can't even instigate a rebellion I would say that's not possible and they don't deserve anything if they can't even fight for themselves

and once they decided to go to war with the current regime, the civil war starts inside of the state

so it backs to the gun problem

[dense agate]

the "state" includes institutions that govern the country (legal systems, bureaucracy and military) regardless of political power, it's a more general than to say regime, but both can fit in what i've said

[dense agate]

sure, but that doesn't mean it's always the same at all times

[feral river]

not really, regimes are the ideological decisive factor that ultimately guide the people inside of the state which based on what you have said about the institutions that govern the country is part of the regime.

[dense agate]

my point is to what extent is the stability of the state is prioritized over the needs of the people

[feral river]

well basically I agree with you but replace the word like "people" to majority of people

it's inaccurate to just use people to describe the people inside of the state

it can be civilians, military personnels, or even foreign spies etc.

I don't think you have to serve the foreign spies inside of your state.

[dense agate]

regime and government refers to the specific leaders, political parties at a particular time, dissatisfaction with the state can be about the entire system of governance not just the current government.

[feral river]

let me ask you this, if we overthrow the american government, do you think the insititutions will remain ?

who controls the gun, who have the word to establish regimes, and the insititutions are part of the regime, if you switch the leader of the regime it doesn't mean your regime collapsed

[dense agate]

sure, a change doesn't happen over a singular or few individuals within the state, but to say that a minority that promotes change that contradicts the government is a spy or spreading enemy propaganda would be inconsistent, since you'll eventually recognize those voices as valid when the count of it's supporters reaches a certain level

[feral river]

well yes ofc but based on each cases this might happen by statistics

correlation does not imply causation.

[dense agate]

well you said "overthrow the government", and we know institutions like judiciary, military, education system, and law enforcement are part of the State, so no

[feral river]

and a group of people might be influenced by certain unique organizations that instigate this certain group of people to go against people's will.

[dense agate]

overthrowing the government means replacing the ruling administration or leadership through a revolution or coup

[feral river]

well no if we overthrow the government we have the force to dismantle all of your institutions by force.

if we bomb the judiciary system it will disappear

and we can set our own judiciary system, that's definitely not part of the state

[dense agate]

what you're talking about now is overthrowing the state not just the government

there are many coups that happened in history, many of the state's institutions remained

[feral river]

what ? I mean that's the regime the entire regime were made of by these insitutions ofc I can use gun to replace it

I don't even have to use gun there's just a lot of cases that a new leader elected and rewrite the consitution or dismantled a old govern system

can you say they overthrow the state ?

[dense agate]

the regime exists within the state

replacing the regime is overthrowing the government

replacing the institutions as well is overthrowing the state

[feral river]

you mean state is made of institutions ?

regimes born from guns

[dense agate]

bruh

[feral river]

your institution has nothing to do with it

your insitution will not stop their bullet

[dense agate]

i feel like these are kinds of talks that get settled in a CSGO 1v1 AWP lobby

[feral river]

well we can do that if you want

[dense agate]

i only have Team fortress 2 installed

battlefield 5

why not Battlefield 4 ?

https://tenor.com/view/bye-mr-skyscraper-gif-3527479

[feral river]

I don't play it my friend gifted me the bf5

[dense agate]

unlucky, it has chinese maps, like Shanghai

[dense agate]

this is China btw

[feral river]

looks awesome

[dense agate]

no surprise they banned the game

[feral river]

well I guess we did not

a lot of people in China play bf5

[feral river]

I wonder how you gonna overthrow the government without guns ?

how does that even make sense

[hidden marten]

I personally believe it’s a constant struggle until citizens achieve the true democratic goals. And in order to do that civil societies must play their role to educate and mobilize citizens for peaceful protests.

[dense agate]

i never said or claimed that

[feral river]

no I just wonder how