🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

What if it's not a metaphor lmao

Since everything is a metaphor or literal in an arbitrary way

[turbid ivy]

It is a metaphor, I can show you. Read John 5 and 6

John 6:63

[manic juniper]

John always speaks in a very vague way, it could be interpreted as literal

[turbid ivy]

It can't, because Jesus clarifies in John 6;63

63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[a] and life.

[manic juniper]

I just read it, it clarified nothing

[turbid ivy]

You gotta read it with whole context.

[turbid ivy]

Is Jesus bread of life?

[manic juniper]

I don't know, Jesus should answer that

Maybe he is on this server

[turbid ivy]

This event happened, when Jesus had feed a lot of people. Some people were just following him because he used to feed them.

[turbid ivy]

That would mean you haven't read John 6

[manic juniper]

But why would I trust John that was written by someone that wasn't Jesus

Jesus should just come here and clarify

[turbid ivy]

[dense agate]

since there is no consistency when morality is based on god, anything can possibly become good or bad by god at any given time, it also makes morality strictly subjective

[turbid ivy]

John is an eyewitness

[turbid ivy]

Morality is objective. Morality is totally based on God

[manic juniper]

My ancestor was a more reliable eyewitness, they passed on the knowledge up to me

[turbid ivy]

He have already done it

[manic juniper]

And they told me different things

[turbid ivy]

Don't you believe in evolution?

[manic juniper]

He did a poor job seeing how many denominations are out there, plus Jews that don't recognise him, Muslims that don't think he was crucified, and Mandaeans that think he was a trickster

[manic juniper]

No, belief is a religious thing, I understand and study evolution

[turbid ivy]

Many denominations? These denominations has nothing to do with Jesus.

[tranquil shell]

hey guys listen

[turbid ivy]

Do you think evolution is true?

[dense agate]

how is it objective if it's solely based on god lel, anything can potentially be good or bad

[manic juniper]

Mandaeans are right tho, Jesus was a trickster, John the baptist was the last prophet

[turbid ivy]

What trick did he make?

[turbid ivy]

How is anything could be good and bad without God?

[manic juniper]

That's an absolute, I think that evolution is mostly right as do most scientists, it's an incomplete model but it works well and it's satisfying without any reliable alternative

[turbid ivy]

So when you say your ancestors, do you mean 🐒 ?

[dense agate]

because things aren't good due to a specific trait or outcome, but simply based on divine whim

[manic juniper]

He tricked people into worshipping Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge and false god of this world, Mandaeans worship and know the true God of light

[manic juniper]

That's a monkey

[turbid ivy]

No, I'm asking you, how can be something be good and bad without God? Suppose rape, is that good?

[manic juniper]

Why do you need God, just ask the victim

[turbid ivy]

Don't you believe human beings evaluated from monkeys?

[turbid ivy]

Ask the rapist

[manic juniper]

If it's an animal: they can't clarify consent
If it's a minor: consent isn't valid
If it's an adult: ask for consent

[turbid ivy]

Suppose, if I ask you how it's wrong?

[manic juniper]

The rapist doesn't agree with the victim though, that's why it's called rape

[turbid ivy]

I'm asking you how it's wrong

[manic juniper]

Evolved from you mean? No scientist believes that, why do theists assume that?

[turbid ivy]

So they evaluated from which species?

[dense agate]

beside the fact moral intuition and capacity for empathy exists, we have ethical frameworks that don't require the belief of a "god"

[manic juniper]

I already stated it, does the victim agree with the act? Do they enjoy it? If not and they satisfy all the requirements (not being unable to give consent), then it's rape

If they are unable to give consent then the rapist should be condemned because we can't give the benefit of doubt

[turbid ivy]

Where did you get these ethical frameworks? Robbed from religious texts

[turbid ivy]

So when they enjoy, that would mean it's good?

[manic juniper]

Species' names are made up and assigned, and the boundaries too. For example Eurasian bison and cows could be the same species.

But if we have to pick those that scientists agreed upon it would be Homo erectus

[dense agate]

"robbed" lel

[manic juniper]

If two people (both capable of giving consent by law) are consenting it's not rape by definition

[turbid ivy]

So your ancestors are cow's?

[manic juniper]

It's like me giving my aunt the keys to the house and telling her to borrow my motorcycle parked in the garage, she is not stealing my motorcycle, she is using my full permissions to do so. In the event my aunt would act outside these boundaries (by stealing the motorcycle, so not giving it back, or stealing or damaging my property) then she has broken our covenant

I don't need God to give me a sacred covenant with my aunt to use my motorcycle

[turbid ivy]

I'm asking how it's wrong when they are not consented to do it? Even though let's say they consented suppose, your husband committed fornication with a diff woman, I'm sure it's not wrong because they consented?

Yes

[manic juniper]

No? Lol, how did you come to that conclusion? Cows are artiodactyls related to other hoofed mammals

[manic juniper]

Because one of the subjects involved doesn't like it, even children understand these concepts at the maternal school

[turbid ivy]

Whose your ancestors? Snakes?

[manic juniper]

If they steal a candy from another child they may react violently or cry, showing stress (as humans we recognise this emotional response)

[dapper laurel]

It's always Nobu Vs World 😓

[dense agate]

they are based on human well being and reasoning, they do ofc evolve over time as our understanding of human rights, equality,...
and interesting enough how this divine "objective" morality form god has also been adapted to the cultural evolution of morality

[turbid ivy]

What's wrong if they don't like it? A deer doesn't like to get killed by a lion, but a lion enjoys killing it

From apes? Your ancestors are apes?

[manic juniper]

No, those are reptiles, as I stated it earlier it's Homo erectus. Homo erectus was an hominid ape just like us, a primate euarchontan placental therian mammal

[manic juniper]

Yes, the lion doesn't have many choices but to kill the deer, I have the choice to work and buy a motorcycle instead of stealing it, or getting a partner through positive interactions so I don't need to kidnap one

[rich thorn]

idk about god but no way jesus could heal lmao

[manic juniper]

No I don't think he does, but I will throw them here because it's funny to flaunt

[turbid ivy]

Oh so your ancestors are apes?

Why there are apes then?

[manic juniper]

According to modern cladistics an organism can't stop being something arbitrarily, we still are apes no matter how dissimilar. This is perfectly consistent since dolphins are considered mammals and birds are considered reptiles despite their extremely diverging appearance

[turbid ivy]

A lion does of a choice to eat the dead animals or stay hungry and die

[turbid ivy]

Why don't you live with them?

[manic juniper]

It's called speciation, apes try to occupy different niches to lower competition, humans are a ground ape that doesn't compete with orangutans or gibbons, arboreal apes

There are ground birds too, they evolved from birds that could fly

In fact there is a bird group called Paleognathes, all of the members of that group cannot fly except the megapods

[turbid ivy]

So from which apes, and how did you know

[manic juniper]

That's because the Paleognathes probably were the first birds to spread quickly throughout the world after the Cretaceous extinction and they filled empty ground niches not filled by any other bird

[manic juniper]

We have fossils of past human relatives that are likely to be our ancestors

[manic juniper]

Because I recognise the species closest to mine, called Homo sapiens, with whom I share niche and specialisations, with whom I can communicate more unambiguously

That's why you don't often see a dog hanging out with a bear

The bear doesn't recognise the dog as a bear
And they don't communicate their needs well

[manic juniper]

Uhm no that's ridiculous, only vultures are specialised to only rely on carrion. No other animal can, even hyenas have to hunt a lot in order to survive

A lion that only relies on carrion is destined to die

[turbid ivy]

How can you be so sure that they were your ancestors?

[manic juniper]

Yes my ancestor are apes, I am one too, my son or daughter is likely to be considered an ape

[turbid ivy]

Where is it? Which zoo?

History

Yes some stinky bones

Of dead animals

[manic juniper]

We are not in fact, most of them died without leaving descendants, but there is comparative anatomy and morphology that points out and describes the similarities and genetic mapping that can ultimately confirm if we are related or not. For example we found out that many people in Europe are related to a deceased ruler named Charlemagne

[manic juniper]

There are mummies too sometimes, even dinosaur mummies

There are frozen animals we still find in Siberia to this day

[turbid ivy]

Genetics mapping hence they are your ancestors?

Which fossils, where is it

[manic juniper]

Woolly rhinos, mammoths, cave lions, Pleistocene bison

All of these animals are extinct yet we have seen them in flesh and bones

[turbid ivy]

What about it

[manic juniper]

Related or direct ancestors, yes

[turbid ivy]

Which one?

[manic juniper]

Natural History Museum of London

[turbid ivy]

How do you prove it

[turbid ivy]

Show me the photo of it

[manic juniper]

Because it partially coincides with my own genome so we must be related, same way they can confirm that my parents are related to me

[dense agate]

it's funny how you give Christianity the benefit of the doubt and agree on things with no hesitation, even though it's a mess, but you're tooth and nail with empirically proven facts

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/david-attenborough-attenborough-natural-history-museum-hide-attenborough-hide-gif-15127989824566596926

[turbid ivy]

Not true. That just means there are few similarities

[manic juniper]

They may have a site
And there are photos on Google

[manic juniper]

Then I guess my parents aren't related to me

[turbid ivy]

Which fact?

[manic juniper]

They just happen to look similar and have a similar DNA

[turbid ivy]

Lol that animal was just dead 2 years ago

[rich thorn]

it's not worth it to tell they won't listen

[manic juniper]

But I want to see how far he's willing to go

[rich thorn]

i am orphan now

[turbid ivy]

Did you check the dna of those fossils

[rich thorn]

Great approach

[turbid ivy]

How do I know you are not lying? And it seems that animals died just 2 years ago, how did you get that date?

[manic juniper]

Nope because there were no leftovers in those I checked personally, DNA decays very quickly. But I know about some that still had preserved DNA so if I ever get my hands on them I'll try to sequence them

[turbid ivy]

Oh so you got no DnA of them

[manic juniper]

The skeleton exposed is a reconstruction

[manic juniper]

Personally no, I know that other scientists did. I'm an evolutionary biologist not a paleontologist or paleobiologist, that's outside the purpose of my job

[dense agate]

fossil records showing transitional species, genetic evidence linking us to primates, and studies of embryonic development that shows our shared ancestry with other vertebrates

[manic juniper]

It would be like a Catholic priest teaching Islam in a Saudi mosque

[turbid ivy]

What does it prove

How does it prove the actual years, show me

[manic juniper]

The reconstruction itself? It's a reconstruction, it's supposed to show how a complete skeleton may have looked like based off fragmentary remains. Those are the proof

[manic juniper]

The decay rate of isotopes, you can measure it. That's how we know how long ago something happened

[turbid ivy]

Show me what evidence you have got

[manic juniper]

It's how they dated things such as some of the oldest Bibles btw

[turbid ivy]

Show me that photo

[manic juniper]

The same tools that dated Bibles with nice accuracy

[turbid ivy]

Give me atleast what you have

[manic juniper]

It's a gif, I'm too lazy to search the exact photo

[manic juniper]

What do you mean

[turbid ivy]

It means you don't have it

[manic juniper]

No I'm asking to clarify

[turbid ivy]

Give me some evidences

[manic juniper]

Or you mean the photo of Lucy the australopithecus? It's publicly available

[turbid ivy]

Show me those photos

[manic juniper]

You're asking too many questions and want other people to do all the work, it's boring

[turbid ivy]

Is that from that movie called Doom? Lol

[manic juniper]

This is the same strategy you used last time, sealioning until the other person gets bored

[turbid ivy]

Nice theory but it's a fairy tale

[turbid ivy]

Since you claimed it

[manic juniper]

True, maybe God created me yesterday to be a prophet

In fact I have proof, I have his words told to me by the archangel Vincent

[dense agate]

the alternative is that god created Adam and Eve from Adam's rib, and they had kids who went on to populate the earth. there's not a shred of evidence or proof for any of that. while it’s a nice story with a lot of theological weight for believers, it feels more like an ancient myth than a factual account.

[manic juniper]

He said that The Last of Us 3 will release in 2029

[turbid ivy]

Khahha

[dense agate]

the data is out there, im not going to make an attmpt to explain here, i've already seen how it goes

[dense agate]

followed by last of us 3 remaster in 2030

[rich thorn]

i wonder why humans in general have tendency to defend smth like doctrines to such extend, what's the reason behind it psychologically ? any idea anyone?

[turbid ivy]

I never claimed we have the evidence of their existence, since you very much claim that it's a scientific fact that we came from apes, if you claim it's a scientific fact then I will require evidences otherwise its a tale

[manic juniper]

Apparently it will only release one month after, and after 3 months the Remastered™² will release

[turbid ivy]

Bring it on my table

[manic juniper]

We share 98% of our genome with chimpanzees, it shows that they are our closest relatives. Our closest ancestors existed around 3 million years ago

[dense agate]

well imagine if a religion is everything you had going, deeply rooted in you, it would be a heavy toll to let go even if you're face with enough evidence

[manic juniper]

It likely looked closer to a human than a chimpanzee

[turbid ivy]

If they are your relatives, why don't you live with them? Why don't you marry them?

[dense agate]

so you believe it's completely arbitrary? a subjective explanation

[turbid ivy]

Chimpanzee doesn't look like a human khahah

[manic juniper]

I already explained it? Because I don't recognise them as my group

[turbid ivy]

Which one?

[manic juniper]

I never claimed they do, but they don't look like gorillas either

[turbid ivy]

Which one is your group, and where is it

[dense agate]

the biblical interpretation of adam and eve

and the creation of humanity in general

[turbid ivy]

What about it?

[manic juniper]

I already stated it, I don't know why you don't simply listen to what I said. I recognise humans as my closest relatives

[dense agate]

look back to the question

[rich thorn]

humans still lack in cognitive capabilities it seems to look at things from different perspective even when their experiences and view of smth has led them to beleive whatever they believing

[prisma cipher]

Bad game

[turbid ivy]

Are you asking for the evidence for their existence?

[manic juniper]

Imagine if you are someone that only speaks English. Why don't you go to live with North Koreans?

[turbid ivy]

Chimpanzees or humans?

[manic juniper]

Why don't African Americans go back to Africa since they look similar? Maybe because they don't speak any West African language

[manic juniper]

? It's literally right there

[prisma cipher]

Dogs is better

[dense agate]

no, im talking about the biblical explanation of the creation of mankind, that it's completely arbitrary and subjective

[dense agate]

joel returns

[turbid ivy]

Khahaha I thought Chimpanzees are your relatives

[dense agate]

just to be struck by a golf bat agian

[turbid ivy]

So what is object fact of the creation of human beings?

Evolution? I proved its a tale

[dense agate]

you proved jack shit, but im talking to you since you're christian you believe in the biblical explanation, but why though

[turbid ivy]

Since you said it's a tale. What's the objective fact of the creation of human beings? Are you tryna say you don't know l?

[manic juniper]

Not the closest, all living beings are related except maybe viruses since we don't know enough about them yet

[dense agate]

why are you avoidin the question ?

[turbid ivy]

Lol, again you refuted your theory

[turbid ivy]

Whats your question

[manic juniper]

I don't think you know anything about the theory of evolution, you theists always assume that monkeys are the ancestors of humans

[dense agate]

.

[manic juniper]

Not even Darwin ever claimed that we come from monkeys

[dense agate]

he claimed this

[prisma cipher]

It doesn't matter what darvin say. He just show the idea, idea is evolving a lot since than

[turbid ivy]

You yourself claimed it. Once you enter inside the cage of a chimpanzee, chimpanzee can do the you would have never expected

[manic juniper]

I thought it was going to be the amogus meme

[turbid ivy]

Clarify your question

[prisma cipher]

the theory has been confirmed by various independent methods, including experimental ones

[manic juniper]

I claimed that chimpanzees are our second closest relatives after humans, just like the second closest relatives of hippos are whales. What does that have to do with being inside a cage?

[prisma cipher]

So it doesn't matter what darvin believe or say, he just show idea

[dense agate]

why do you believe the biblical explanation of the creation of mankind is correct

[turbid ivy]

I thought they were your ancestors

[manic juniper]

I don't think it's ethical to keep a human and a chimp in a cage, both of them require free space to move

[dense agate]

i don't think i've seen that one

[manic juniper]

You said that, not me

[turbid ivy]

Because I believe in God, whatever God says true

[manic juniper]

It's similar but it shows countless objects that look like amogus

[turbid ivy]

So who's your ancestors?

[manic juniper]

This is the third time I say it 😂 Homo sapiens, before them Homo erectus
These are arbitrary lines drawn by humans

[turbid ivy]

Show me how it looks like that homo sippi, is that humosexual or what

[dense agate]

then how did you come to the conclusion that not only god exist but you and that you should believe in a specific god and ignore the other ones

[turbid ivy]

Ignoring which one?

[manic juniper]

Homo sapiens? Just look at the mirror or at my pfp, that's what it looks like

[prisma cipher]

we had a common ancestor with monkeys. but there was no monkey that gave birth to a human, evolution is just like a branch of a tree and it is divided into lines

Technically we are monkey still

[turbid ivy]

Khhaha you believe in Adam and Eve then

[manic juniper]

Yes, monkeys are simians like us but no monkey ever produced apes

[manic juniper]

Who are they?

[turbid ivy]

Not me.

[manic juniper]

I believe in Hellen, the father of Greeks, I believe in Kalevi my ancestor and progenitor, the king of the Finns

And some other ancestors of people like the Yellow Emperor

[dense agate]

mesopotamian gods, ancient egyptian gods, greek mytohlogy, etc...

[prisma cipher]

It my English, when I say monkey o mean apes

[manic juniper]

No what you said is correct, I was just adding to it

It's mostly an issue of some languages where monkeys and apes are considered separate

[shy summit]

People we aren’t going to delve into conspiracy theory territory please.

[prisma cipher]

Ok, I thought I say wrong

[shy summit]

Also that video is goddamn terrifying

[prisma cipher]

Confuse difference between monkey apes in English

[manic juniper]

In English monkeys usually have tails and apes usually do not

He deevolved from existence I guess

[turbid ivy]

What's interesting about them? Besides those are tales

[dense agate]

similar remarks can be made about Christianity, but what makes this religion different ?

[manic juniper]

No there is proof about them

[turbid ivy]

Jesus the Eternal God raised from dead

[turbid ivy]

Such as?

[manic juniper]

Lindakivi (Linda's boulder), the boulder carried by Linda the wife of Kalevipoeg and that fell in the lake

[dense agate]

how can you know the resurrection actually happened and not just some tale ?

[turbid ivy]

How did I suppose to know? I can also claim I carried this stinky stone

[turbid ivy]

Eyewitness

[manic juniper]

Exactly, thanks for explaining why none of those tales, written or not, make any sense

[turbid ivy]

Eyewitness testimony

[manic juniper]

Eyewitnesses existed for Lindakivi's too

In fact the same story exists in other cultures and languages within and outside Estonia

Or the snake goddess myth from Lithuania, that too goes beyond languages, being narrated by Balts, Slavs and Finns. If this myth was false then it wouldn't exist across fully unrelated languages

There is 0 mutual intelligibility between Finnic and Balto-Slavic languages

[dense agate]

like who ? and to what extent are they credible, and that goes without saying the gospels were written decades later

[manic juniper]

There are also Roman eyewitness that saw apparitions of Romulus, the founder of Rome. Direct eyewitnesses, not second hand sources

Maybe Jesus resurrected for real and Yahweh defeated the other Canaanite gods, but Romulus was real so the Roman cult was real too... Jupiter, Isis, all of these deities were real

[turbid ivy]

How did you know

[turbid ivy]

They are that credible that they are killed

Yet didn't hesitate to say it's a lie

[dense agate]

being killed doesn't add or take to their credibility. if someone screams allah akbar right before blowing up, does that mean they're speaking the truth ?

[manic juniper]

I already explained, the story exists across cultures that can't even communicate with one another

So it's 100% real

[turbid ivy]

Do you know the meaning of Allah hu Akbar?

[dense agate]

yes

and how do we know those alleged eyewitnesses were actually killed, let alone that what they witnessed actually happened

[dense agate]

a multipolar deity world is much more interesting

it would create some competition so that we humans get better terms

[turbid ivy]

What is it

[turbid ivy]

History

[manic juniper]

Historians only agree that a Jew named Jesus existed and he taught to people, and he likely died on the cross

[turbid ivy]

Such as?

[manic juniper]

Going from there to claiming all the miracles and divinity is a huge gap, historians agree that pharaohs existed, they claimed divinity so does that make them truly divine?

[manic juniper]

?

[turbid ivy]

Which historian

[manic juniper]

Most historians such as scholar Bart Ehrman

[turbid ivy]

He's not a historian, he never wrote any history

[manic juniper]

?

What does that mean even

[turbid ivy]

He's a new testament text critic

[manic juniper]

Historians study history

[manic juniper]

Yes, he studied it so he knows what he's talking about

[turbid ivy]

I also study history, I must be a historian khh

[turbid ivy]

Me too

[manic juniper]

Ok

[dense agate]

primary accounts of the resurrection are in the gospels which like i said previously was written decades later, and there are no historical records from the time of jesus that confirms or mentions the resurrections, that goes without saying that the accounts of the event varies between gospels

[dense agate]

irrelevant to what we're talking about

[thorny steeple]

Cats originated religions to divide humans, they are secretly ruling the world

[feral river]

not gonna happen in our land

we can even cook cats

[turbid ivy]

Decades is Just 10 years after

[thorny steeple]

Cats also taught communism to Karl Marx, they are the first communists in history

[manic juniper]

Isn't it 20-30 years minimum

[dense agate]

cats fooled the ancient Egyptians into seeing them as goddesses so they can treat them as such

[manic juniper]

70 AD, so yeah it's a lot later than 10 years

[thorny steeple]

It's part of the big game, oh my gosh they're so smart

[turbid ivy]

It's not

[thorny steeple]

We're about to figure out the big game 🙀

[feral river]

they need more freedom and democracy 🇺🇸

[manic juniper]

Nice lie

[turbid ivy]

I'm consuming wine

BRB

[dense agate]

resurection is beleived to have happened 30-33 AD, the first gospel to mention it was Mark which was written in 65-70 AD, you do the math

[turbid ivy]

I will refute it

[turbid ivy]

False

[balmy matrix]

confirmed

[dense agate]

30-40 years lel

[thorny steeple]

They are already free, we are the slaves and the cat owners are actually slaves to cats... You know, cats are the best mind-foolers in history.

[dense agate]

how come

[feral river]

they are not democratic, they are communist, fascist, anarchist at the same time

[manic juniper]

People's brains are infested with toxoplasmosis

[thorny steeple]

My grandpa says he was alive at that time, it's a lie

[dense agate]

why would they eat cat feces in the first place

[manic juniper]

I don't know how they get contaminated but there are countries where up to 40% of the population is infected

[dense agate]

bruh, brb imma check

[manic juniper]

https://www.cdc.gov/toxoplasmosis/causes/index.html

[thorny steeple]

Dogs' lies, don't believe them

[manic juniper]

I don't like mammals

They're all inferior to me especially if domestic

[frail moon]

for how much time should i nap to feel fresh for the next 5-6 hrs

someone answer lol

[thorny steeple]

But you need them ya feline hater

[manic juniper]

I don't

I only need reptiles

Also I don't hate felines, I only hate corruptions created by humans

[thorny steeple]

With the exception of meat and milk, they have a necessary role in the order of the world 😤

[dense agate]

so we can get toxoplasmosis by simply consuming meat of animals that have ingested the feces of an affected cat ??

[thorny steeple]

Bro send us again, what just happened 🤣🤣

[manic juniper]

I never ate cat meat or drank their milk

[manic juniper]

There are a lot of ways to get infected but yes

I thought Ukraine and Poland were bad at 40%, I didn't know there were countries at over 80% out there

[dense agate]

france, germany, turkey, estonia...

[thorny steeple]

Naaa you said mammals

[manic juniper]

Yes

[dapper laurel]

The domestic ones are the most intelligent in reality. My cat exploits my economic resources and my time for food and affection, it simply won in life, it doesn't even have to pay rent

[thorny steeple]

So you don't need any of mammals

[manic juniper]

They're the dumbest, it's even scientifically demonstrated. They're only more adapted to how our systems work

[manic juniper]

No, in Antarctica we are doing well without them

They're the equivalent of rich kids that get everything handed out by their parents

[dapper laurel]

My cat can open doors, what can reptiles do with their small brains?

[thorny steeple]

Antarctica is the secret base... it's part of the grand plan

[manic juniper]

Have you ever watched Jurassic Park, they can open doors too... Besides chickens are reptiles and they can

[dapper laurel]

Ok, you debunked my argument, once again

I forfeit

[dense agate]

cats are selfish and dumb as hell ,reptiles are painfully boring and uninteresting, Aves are the actual superior pets

no matter how you look at it

[feral river]

it's a threat to our national security, we must control the antarctica entirely

[dense agate]

so is me not having a RTX 5090, the state must work tirelessly to solve that

[feral river]

yes, it's me not making america great again, the state must do it for me

[manic juniper]

But birds are reptiles

[thorny steeple]

No it's too late, there is nothing we can do

[dense agate]

not according to the linnaean's system

[manic juniper]

That system is old and Swedish

Cladistics is superior

[dense agate]

but... it makes birds less unique :/

[manic juniper]

It makes reptiles more diverse

Superior to mammals

[turbid ivy]

Acts was written before 65 AD, atleast in 60s

Luke was written almost 10 years before Acts, prolly in 50s

Matthew was written almost 10 years before luke, in 40s

Mark was the earliest gospel

It's not 30-40 years

It's just 5-10 years

[manic juniper]

Sure, you just made up all of those dates

[turbid ivy]

Nope join in a vc imma explain

[manic juniper]

Just send the sources if it's true, why would I trust someone on Discord

[turbid ivy]

Join vc

[manic juniper]

Just send the sources

[royal whale]

I know I share this a lot, but Please, I'm Not lying.

Jesus Is real. Millions across the world are having experiences, From All Beliefs, with Proof.

Please. Don't turn your back on God for man's commandments. Seek. Pray. Love. Forgive~

~

A few years ago I repented to God then Prayed for help, "I was until then an Atheist."

I then had a dream of Jesus coming before God and he spoke of the Tabernacle in Perfect context, "A word I didn't know existed.", and what I felt from Jesus when I Held him was unlike Anything I've Ever felt before - A Lifetime of Love Every Second - It brought me to Sobbing and it changed my life, Forever.

I've had Many experiences since, "Several witnessed".

A voice Spoke Clearly into my ear, "Go Visit Your Father Today.", hours before he passed. When I prayed if I could leave this world my body spoke a word Without My Permission I Never Heard Before, "Malarkey". Hours before a major surgery a Bright orb of light Passed across my face.

God and Jesus ARE real! Truly Love God & Everyone!

I believe Prayer, Following God's laws & Love is the answer, and through that, Truly becoming Humble, Merciful, Welcoming, Giving, Gentle, Respectful, Compassionate, Patient, Kind and Forgiving, To All.

~I'm Not lying.

Millions, Truly, across the world Are having experiences.

Just seek, Please.

Love. Pray, It really Is that Easy~

Matter didn't come into existance because media or man's commandments decided. Where is the fuel to create matter into the universe? WHERE is those teaching an argument than this? They don't know, for they ignore.

~

We're so Deeply loved. Our children, just as Jesus said, mercy for us in our ignorance, Just as Jesus said. Please. I've had over 50 pages of experiences these last 4 years. I'm Not lying, I'm Not wrong.

I met the devil several times, I was allowed to see my angel after someone else asked me, "Without me knowing", I heard God speak, I was healed from death after I unknowingly killed myself after my daughter, Cally, "My Husky puppy", died.

She came to me the night she died, she was young again, and she looked at me with All of the love in the world on Earth.

Please~

I'm telling the Truth.

If you want proof? It's Easy. Seek.

[turbid ivy]

Factual

[turbid ivy]

😎

[weary belfry]

Uh, interestin message.

[royal whale]

I told the Truth~

[weary belfry]

And can you not spamming this to every chat?

[royal whale]

What does that mean?

Is sharing a truth to people who need it be, "spam?"

[weary belfry]

You sent this message at least four or five times dude

[royal whale]

Do you remember WW2?

[weary belfry]

What's this.

[royal whale]

Where those who resisted, yet share among many, known in the end be spam?

Think bud~

[turbid ivy]

[royal whale]

Because I'm telling what Is the truth, and we can All see this

I'm Not religious

I don't believe~

[weary belfry]

Bro, server rules apply to everyone. You can send diff messages abt this topic, but you don't need to send the same message over and over again

[royal whale]

I'm only sharing a bit of 50 pages of experiences I've documented. As Many others have as well. We didn't randomly become to be.

God Is Real, the way Is real. Love, Pray, Forgive.

[weary belfry]

Okay, go ahead

[royal whale]

When truth is ignored man

It should be doubled down

Your server rules are nothing but, well..

Nothing?

[weary belfry]

#📋｜rules Where exactly is nothing?

[royal whale]

I told the truth, I love discord, Anime, Video Games, Etc. I just wanted to share what I was given

Oh jeez.. Like I came about something from Discors /rules channel

[weary belfry]

Dude, you share it once, I respect your thoughts. But is there a need to spam this message?

[royal whale]

I told the truth. That's all that matters

You don't respect my thought

You only pretend to. Love and God bless~ Seek~ ❤️

[weary belfry]

Lol, where didnt I respect

[royal whale]

^

I just want you to know that I read your nonsense

I'm still leaving to go to an other community to do God's will as I was asked to by Jesus

Love and God bless~ ❤️

[lethal sparrow]

jeebuz cwist

[feral river]

how much money you could earn from it

dont really know why recently I got huge negative feeling of dealing with my regular shit days

I don't believe in the freaking stupid therapy charges you thousand of dollars for a small talk that he wouldn't even believe wtf you are talking about

I guess I just running out of the fuel to have with shits and just want to be chill

[turbid ivy]

Fact 🙂

[turbid ivy]

Huh

[weary belfry]

Damn, Nobu, The last three messages you sent me just said huh

[turbid ivy]

Can I share the new thing

[weary belfry]

Sure, go ahead

[turbid ivy]

I have actually wrote it :/

[weary belfry]

[turbid ivy]

Well nvm it's pretty gross

It was the teaching of Muhammad :[

[weary belfry]

Uh

[turbid ivy]

https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/04/29/riding-a-muslim-wife-🙈/

Whoops by mistake

[weary belfry]

💀

[turbid ivy]

😒

It slipped from my hand 🥴

[weary belfry]

Sus lol

[dapper laurel]

Why do you guys always talk about religion? There are more interesting and constructive topics to discuss

[turbid ivy]

As a Muslim woman, what do you think about this?

It seems Muhammad treated women as sexual object

[dapper laurel]

If that's true, what does it matter to you in the end?

[weary belfry]

Brooo, it's wildin

[turbid ivy]

Nothing

[weary belfry]

It is wrong to evaluate the events of that time according to the conditions of this period

[turbid ivy]

Meaning? 🙁

[weary belfry]

Ehm, wild

[dapper laurel]

All these compromising claims/questions have already been answered by religious scholars and scholars, there are different explanations on the internet regarding each kind of question, that's why we shouldn't discuss about religious topics

[turbid ivy]

[Sahih al-Bukhari 3237] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.”

No woman can fulfill her duty towards Allah until she fulfills her duty towards her husband. If he asks her (for intimacy) even if she is on her camel saddle, she should not refuse.’ ”
Ibn Majah 1853

🤦

[weary belfry]

This situation is not seen as a nice behavior in these times. But what if we consider it according to the conditions of that period?

[weary belfry]

Actually agree w you

[turbid ivy]

I thought he was a model for every era

[turbid ivy]

You guys don't emulate Muhammad today?

[weary belfry]

Uh, didn't say that

[turbid ivy]

How do you emulate such behaviour tho 🤔

[dapper laurel]

Thanks, there is no point in starting religious discussions here, neither on the part of Christians nor on the part of Muslims, if you want to follow the correct teachings of your religion, well, be at peace with world

[weary belfry]

How can you emulate this behavior without being married to someone tf

I don't have the answer to that

[weary belfry]

Good point ngl

[turbid ivy]

Surely you will get married in the future

[weary belfry]

a bold statement

[turbid ivy]

BTW he married a child

[weary belfry]

Child? Who

[turbid ivy]

And commanded grown up women to Suckle grown up men ehe

[turbid ivy]

Aisha, she was just 6

[weary belfry]

Oh, no ofc. He didn't do that

[weary belfry]

Hmmmm

[turbid ivy]

He did
Here link

[turbid ivy]

That's a bad example

[weary belfry]

Oh, I prefer not to click on links that do not have an https extension

[turbid ivy]

https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com

It does

[weary belfry]

Thanks, let me look

[turbid ivy]

[weary belfry]

What's exactly?

[turbid ivy]

Sorry?

[weary belfry]

What was it supposed to show me about Prophet Muhammad when I clicked on the link?

[turbid ivy]

I didn't get you

[turbid ivy]

That he commanded grown up Muslim women to Suckle grown up men

[weary belfry]

There is nothing wrong with the link you sent me. There is nothing about Islam either

[weary belfry]

I didn't see that

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/04/28/adult-breastfeeding-in-islam/
Herec

[weary belfry]

Wth

[turbid ivy]

Pretty gross right

[weary belfry]

Very gross

Meaningless sentences ngl. Some sentences contradict each other about Islam religion

[turbid ivy]

Oh such as?

[weary belfry]

I am also sure that no one has done such a thing in this era. I do not think this is true information

[turbid ivy]

Well, you deny every hadiths hahah that's so funny

[weary belfry]

[turbid ivy]

You are encountering the true Islam

[weary belfry]

I don't think this is true Islam

[turbid ivy]

Are you a Quran only?

[weary belfry]

Uh, am I what

[turbid ivy]

The Quran only, those who believes only in the Qur'an

[thorny steeple]

bud Do you believe in god ?

[turbid ivy]

I do

[thorny steeple]

Are you a christian ?

[turbid ivy]

Not in the sunnah

[turbid ivy]

I am

[weary belfry]

I believe in all the conditions of faith

[coral sonnet]

What the heck

[turbid ivy]

You ain't a sunni. You seem to be a Qur'an only. Orthodox Muslims have considered Qur'an only as a heresy

[turbid ivy]

Yeah he did

[void wedge]

Proof?

[turbid ivy]

https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/04/28/adult-breastfeeding-in-islam/

Here

[weary belfry]

Wut

[turbid ivy]

That's why Shias don't like Aisha. But they also have the concept of Mutah

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-wolverine-logan-wtf-gif-16774511265057339112

[turbid ivy]

https://youtu.be/xRsdWp6reI0?si=ap8JJf9sSoKqPjyJ

Hope you got the idea

I have attached only sahih hadiths

[weary belfry]

Hmmmm, will look this later

[void wedge]

Nobu, you say Jesus is son of God and you Christians are son of Jesus right?

[turbid ivy]

Cool. I want you to do your own research. Some people might say prophet Muhammad was such a good person, but if they don't provide the sources for it, well it means they are making stuff up

[weary belfry]

It can be clearly proven that he is a good person

[turbid ivy]

Jesus is the Son of God or the unique son of God, it identifies him as the divine person sharing the same essence with the father. We are also called the sons of God, but not the unique sons of God. We have been brought in a family because of Jesus. To understand this concept you need to have a basic understanding of the Tanakh

[void wedge]

And Nobu, you claim that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wasn't a good person. Let's put that aside, you can never say that the Quran is made by words of Muhammad or it was changed due to scientific improvements. So, Quran indeed is a book from the God. Prove me wrong?

[turbid ivy]

How 🤨

[turbid ivy]

Hope in a vc

[void wedge]

Just tell me now

[turbid ivy]

I will debunk it 😅

[void wedge]

The Quran from Uthmans's age is still there in Topkapi palace. It's the same as today's Quran.

[turbid ivy]

Since you claimed the Quran is never changed, this is false, the Quran has been changed. There are verses missing

[void wedge]

Ok, you say that buddy. Then what about scientific facts that would never be found back in those days?

Like it was impossible to know those facts

[turbid ivy]

The Quran Uthman had was from Zaid ibn Thabit, Zaid Ibn Thabit didn't have the Quran from Muhammad, why? Because there are people who had memorized the Qur'an actually called the Quran of Zaid as a deception, besides, we notice there are verses missing from Zaid's Qur'an

[void wedge]

You believe Jesus is a god and Muhammad (pbuh) isn't a prophet. Then who gave those information to him to add them into his book as you say?

[void wedge]

Alright buddy, you keep saying that but answer my question

[turbid ivy]

Such as?

[turbid ivy]

What information?

[void wedge]

Zariat-47 for example.
"And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander."

It clearly says that the universe is expanding. It's impossible to know that information back then.

[turbid ivy]

It's a debunked argument
https://atheism-vs-islam.com/index.php/hoaxes-of-the-quranic-miracles/70-did-the-quran-really-state-that-universe-is-expanding

[void wedge]

What about anbiya-30?

[turbid ivy]

Post the verse

[weary belfry]

Scrim scrim scrim scrim

[void wedge]

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?"

[thorny steeple]

https://youtube.com/shorts/p3bOyutad1o?si=eLTmxKmtnEEshf4G

[void wedge]

He only talks about the creation from water. Where is the other part ??

[thorny steeple]

which part ?

[turbid ivy]

The verse itself debunked itself. The verse you posted suggests that the earth existing at time of big bang, but it's not the case, the earth was created after billions of years after

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

[weary belfry]

[thorny steeple]

btw Do you have any idea about the person who wrote quran

[crisp wraith]

[thorny steeple]

random person hello

q all

[crisp wraith]

Hello random luciferrr

[thorny steeple]

meaning ?

[thorny steeple]

hi everyone

[turbid ivy]

It was written by many people such as Waraqa the Christian guy, Muhammad himself , but there are verses missing from it

[thorny steeple]

Christian guy ?, meaning christinity is older than islam ?

[turbid ivy]

There are also many copies from the previous sources, maybe almost it's upto 30% are copied from the previous sources

[turbid ivy]

Sure, Waraqa was a Christian, he was the cousin of Khadijah

[weary belfry]

When Christianity began to deviate from the right path, the religion of Islam was sent with the Prophet Muhammad. This is known to Muslims as such

[sage jay]

Hey guys im an english major and i need help writing a proposal for my MA seminar course. Can anyone give me a hand?

[thorny steeple]

and now every religion is deviated

from the right path

[turbid ivy]

Not true

[sage jay]

This is a server for enhancing your English skills why tf am i watching a religious debate

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

English skills like what ? we are enhancing our essay writing

[turbid ivy]

Adultery and immoral things like this are forbidden by Jesus and his Apostles like Paul, Peter and James, but when we look at Islam, Muhammad allowed it

It seems islam is in a wrong path

[thorny steeple]

bud can you give some sources about basic christanity ?

[turbid ivy]

Well there are 4 gospels about it

[thorny steeple]

gospels ?

[turbid ivy]

Yeah Matthew, Mark, luke and John, you can also go through the letters of Paul like the book of Romans.

[weary belfry]

Actually you didn't prove it to me exactly. About adultery being allowed in Islam

[thorny steeple]

I have mixed feelings about the fact that I pressed a link in your bio, it is funny but I ain't reading all of that but yeah if you guys will argue I would love to watch. I mean it's evening dinner is ready I have free time.

[turbid ivy]

I did, you just denied the sources my friend, even tho it's in the Quran

[turbid ivy]

[weary belfry]

First, it did not say that he had sex with a female slave. Second, having sex with female slaves was not adultery at that time. It should be evaluated according to the conditions of the period

[thorny steeple]

well then you can't say that people nowadays should follow the rules of the past if we consider events within their periods and context

[turbid ivy]

What's the meaning of intercourse?

He had sex with a woman whom he wasn't married to, and that's what Exactly adultery is. Unless our moral values are better than what Muhammad taught 🙂

[thorny steeple]

checkmate

[crisp wraith]

Which woman? Aisha?

[turbid ivy]

Maria

[crisp wraith]

He had sex with a child, so that's not weird even if he had sex with a woman who wasn't married to him

[wanton siren]

there is no right path

[turbid ivy]

That's weird

[crisp wraith]

Which part

[thorny steeple]

atleast better than being religious

[wanton siren]

no religion is perfect. christianity just did a slightly better job at keeping up with modern standards

[turbid ivy]

Having sex with children and embracing paedophilia and committing adultery.

[wanton siren]

the last time i had this discussion the muslim said "so what" so.. good luck

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

do you guys have weird hobbies?

except deciding which god is more cool

[thorny steeple]

wanna be my friend ?

[thorny steeple]

sure why not

[thorny steeple]

bud I'm gonna drain u by asking questions

[thorny steeple]

oh I'll ghost you

sometimes

[thorny steeple]

if someone did that in this morden age wonder what would happen to them

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sending it then

[crisp wraith]

I was saying muhammad is presented as Muslim' role model which he wasn't perfect
So to me, it's not weird he was doing sth wrong

[thorny steeple]

I mean maybe later, because we don't really know each other

[thorny steeple]

you aren't active, are you ?

[thorny steeple]

yep I don't use discord most of the time

[thorny steeple]

then it will take months to know eachother bud

I ain't opening that

[wide cairn]

Hi guys, I need help with learning English. How I improve my skill in English?

I am beginner.

[thorny steeple]

that's extremely weird, adultery aside isn't that bad to do ?

bad thing*

[weary belfry]

It could be actually

[thorny steeple]

could*

hmm interesting

[weary belfry]

I didn't understand which word I didn't write correctly

[balmy matrix]

ı

[thorny steeple]

listen to podcasts daily, read newspapers (guardian/new scientist), wacth YouTube in English, and talk in voice chats on this server. DAILY. and remember practice makes it perfect.

[thorny steeple]

nope nothing, i was just repeating it

[weary belfry]

Haa okay, got it

[thorny steeple]

and when did u started learning quran

[weary belfry]

I was going to Quran courses when I was eight years old

[thorny steeple]

okie

[cinder quartz]

learning? This needs to be learned? huh

[weary belfry]

[thorny steeple]

it's their personal preference

[cinder quartz]

is this common?

[thorny steeple]

I'm curious can i ask few questions about it ?

[thorny steeple]

in which way, as far as ik it's common in middle east

[cinder quartz]

okay

[thorny steeple]

what happened? tell us a sad story because I'm so tired of you guys talking about religion n shi 😭😭

[cinder quartz]

talk about what you ate for breakfast today

[thorny steeple]

you like sad stories ?

[weary belfry]

Yea, sure

[weary belfry]

What was supposed to happen

[thorny steeple]

cinnamon rolls with a cup of espresso

[weary belfry]

People just need to be loyal to each other

[karmic wyvern]

Pineapple belongs to pizza

[thorny steeple]

твоя душа белонгс ту канава

[chrome crystal]

noo it does not

[wild zephyr]

does anyone help me with my problems?

[true pebble]

that's depends of the problems

[vernal mason]

i'll surely try

[feral river]

the true way to practice english is just talking a bunch of shit and start a chat war over here and maximize your performance on kicking their ass against your enemy

that's the damn way I'm practicing english by chat war

[dense agate]

writes complete gibberish
confuses everyone
win

[feral river]

bs u r just bad to understand it what i'm saying is pretty straightforward no nonsense at all

I ain't confuse anyone

it's you are using your way to interpret my message to confuse yourself

[dense agate]

yes yes, there is no such thing as bad english, just bad interpretations

[feral river]

you don't even freak decode it my chat is already decoded and you always assume what tf im trying to say something in another way

actually no, that's it

[feral river]

you mean the bad english expressions by me ? you can put an example over here im always okay with it

I didn't see anytime you put an example to say how my english is bad as you don't understand wtf im saying

or you are just making mess on me ?

[dense agate]

my dude, i wasn't even talking about you, im just jokingly going along what you've said

[feral river]

very good then I like it

I didn't take it serious btw don't be sensitive

im just fucking myself everyday

[dense agate]

i am free to interpret this as i want

[feral river]

🤣 i guess

but it's pretty straightforward isn't it

war is damn fun, there's no war, there's no me

[dense agate]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/C9jU4_sx2a8/

the comments are ruthless

[feral river]

that's not true

the first one's meaning is love within same-sexuality

the second one is basically comrade

the third one is used for mention the love between girls

actually, if we are referring to gay, we will just say gay irl 🤣

we all know what gay is no matter it's in english

for example 我草他是不是gay啊? = wtf is he a gay ?

[visual hill]

So guys, I'm 24 years old and I've been unemployed for about a year. I graduated from Binus University majoring in accounting. So, I'm currently looking for a job, but my parents always scold me because I haven't worked until this age, even though finding a job is difficult nowadays, but my parents don't understand my feelings and I always see my friends who are 24 years old, they already work, get married and can buy things without the help of their parents. I'm sad and very jealous. Until now, I haven't been able to get a job. I'm embarrassed. Sometimes when I meet neighbors or relatives, I'm really embarrassed if they ask me (are you working). I feel like disappearing from that place and I'm very afraid to leave the house to meet friends and neighbors because I'm ashamed of myself for not getting a job

[median temple]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-gif-7212093

Avg Internet sigma male

[visual hill]

Wdym

[wanton siren]

where about do you live, what country?

[visual hill]

Indonesia wbu

[clear meadow]

U should not be ashamed of that because u just graduated a year ago and a job can take a while...

plus being unemployed at 24 is not late

because in certain cultures thats the age where u graduate and start being dependent on urself

so u will find a job eventually

[feral river]

holy crap how much you could earn from a normal job for u ?

in USD

[visual hill]

II'm a fresh graduate

[feral river]

but u said u didn't got a job in a year ?

whats ur major or what you can do

[visual hill]

I just graduated from college around January, that's why I said I've been unemployed for almost a year

[visual hill]

Im Accounting bro

[feral river]

is that hard to find an accounting job in your place ?

or you just didn't try once

[visual hill]

It's very hard because the company is only looking for those with at least 1 or 2 years of experience.

If there is competition for fresh graduates, there is a lot of competition considering that the unemployment rate in Indonesia is very high.

[feral river]

make a lot of sense what about some small companies

[feral river]

https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/content/202409/content_6977766.htm

we have totally legalized the use of the VPN to bypass the GFW @shy summit

this new decree of network data security management regulation will be implemented in January, 1, 2025

[lusty zenith]

maybe stop feeling embarrassed and get a job lol

seriously though. No such thing as no jobs for you to get. Only jobs which you are too picky to apply for. If other jobs are asking for too much, get a temporary job that doesn't require experience. Then use that money to get the skills/certificate you need

temporary job as in kitchen work or similar. Those jobs are always hiring. It's hard work, the pay is not very good, but it's still a paying job

shouldn't be too hard to find work as an accountant though, even as a non-experienced one

look harder

[lavish creek]

not all the economies around the world are growing you see

[feral river]

aren't they from East Asia ?

oh they are Southeast Asians nevermind

it seems there's only North America, Western Europe, Oceania and East Asia is prosperous

[dapper laurel]

We prosperous 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺

[feral river]

germanic nations prosperous yeah you are

[dapper laurel]

I think that Italy is also a Germanic nation

But they're trying to hide it

Freemasonry, you know

[feral river]

but the centric power of the earth, probably only North America, Western Europe, and Eastern Europe (Russia) and East Asia.

[dapper laurel]

If you notice, the axis of power is on the Germanic world, the United States is majority Germanic ethnically for the moment

[feral river]

how about the eastern great germanic power of PRC

🤣 typical german communism

[queen laurel]

hello

[turbid ivy]

Hello Muslim friends 🙂

[real monolith]

Hello

[turbid ivy]

Are you a Muslim

[turbid ivy]

Are you a Muslim

I have a question

For you

About Islam

Text or vc?

[real monolith]

Yes

[turbid ivy]

I see, sunni?

[turbid ivy]

Sunni?

Both r nice?

[thin fern]

agree

[turbid ivy]

Since both are nice, there is a practice called Mutah in Shia Islam, do you know what mutah is ?

[dense agate]

and the nobu script repeats again

[turbid ivy]

Oh leally?
Same question Goes for you

What is it

Yes

@weary belfry

[weary belfry]

[turbid ivy]

I wanna know about it

[turbid ivy]

nyumm

[weary belfry]

Bon appetit

[turbid ivy]

leally?

[manic juniper]

Can't you just look it up

[turbid ivy]

Oh BTW, do you know about Mutah

[turbid ivy]

I wanna engage in a convo

[manic juniper]

That seems like a very lazy way to do so

[weary belfry]

Oh, no. I resigned from religious matters yesterday

[manic juniper]

Good

[turbid ivy]

Uh, agnostic now?

[dense agate]

nobu why don't you finish about this instead of maxbaiting others about islam ?

[turbid ivy]

Finish what

[weary belfry]

I just stay away from such topics on Discord

[turbid ivy]

I can tell you a lot

[dense agate]

the topic, the fact that there is a gap of decades between the resurrection and the first gospel to mention it

[weary belfry]

Abt what

[manic juniper]

Did you know that resurrection isn't unique to Jesus?

[turbid ivy]

Are you talking about the LE of Mark?

[turbid ivy]

Islam 🤭

[weary belfry]

Ohh na na na. I resigned from that topic

Thanks a lot

[turbid ivy]

Lol

I want you to buy the Qur'an, and the major hadiths like al Bhukhari, Sahih Muslim, Ibn Majah, An ansai, abi Dawud to read them

They are avaliable on Internet for free

[dapper laurel]

Why are you so obsessed with Muslims?

[turbid ivy]

Well, I'm not.

[turbid ivy]

Are you an atheist?

[dapper laurel]

Every time I see you talking about Islam

[dense agate]

Osiris and Attis already beat him to it

[dapper laurel]

I am a practicing Christian

[turbid ivy]

[dense agate]

in general, but sure LE of Mark too, even though it was added at a later to Mark

[turbid ivy]

I see

[manic juniper]

Not only deities

[turbid ivy]

How do you know it was added later?

[dapper laurel]

Anyway Israel attacked some bases that my country had in Lebanon

[turbid ivy]

Little bit knowledge can be dangerous for shoo

meow

[turbid ivy]

Are you Lebanese?

[dapper laurel]

No

[turbid ivy]

Well, Israel is attacking Hazbollah bases

[dapper laurel]

But my country is interfering in the Middle East

[turbid ivy]

No, not really. Are you?

I think that's adultery, and it's a disgusting pratice

[thorny steeple]

heheheheh

[manic juniper]

Not only, they are attacking Unifil bases of France and Italy

[dapper laurel]

My country had its military there, however, I hope there will be a reaction from our side

[turbid ivy]

I see 👀

Well, since you said it's good, could you tell me what's good about mutah? 🙂

[dapper laurel]

I would like to enlist to destroy them, I've always waited for this moment, now it's here

[turbid ivy]

America?

[dapper laurel]

No murrica, Italy

[turbid ivy]

You wanna destroy Hazbollah?

[dapper laurel]

Nah, Israel

[dense agate]

someone can make a religion out of this

[dense agate]

https://textandcanon.org/a-case-against-the-longer-ending-of-mark/

[turbid ivy]

Bravo fratello

[manic juniper]

Why not both to help the Maronites

[dapper laurel]

Grazie fra

[manic juniper]

Let the Maronites reclaim Phoenicia

[turbid ivy]

You wanna destroy Israel?

[turbid ivy]

What's the evidence? Write it down

[dapper laurel]

Let's just send them back to their original territory, not completely destroy them, I don't want to destroy Jerusalem like my ancestors did

[dense agate]

and not that it would change much since Mark was already believed to be written around 65-75AD, decades after the resurrection, while the addition of LE is around 100AD if not even later

[turbid ivy]

Dove in Italia?

Such as?

[dapper laurel]

Trentino Alto-adige

[turbid ivy]

Where is their original territory

[dapper laurel]

The one defined by the United Nations in the post-war period

[dense agate]

it's your purpose-providing religion, im sure it's more than enough reason for you to read it yourself

how can we be so sure Jesus was resurrected when the first gospel to mention it was decades later

and that is assuming that LE wasn't added at a later date ,and ignoring the inconsistencies between gospels about the resurrection

[dense agate]

i support mainly because the return of Phoenicia means the possibility of Carthage to return, and with it North African elephants

[manic juniper]

The elephants they used are gone, they could be brought over again or selectively bred into existence again

They should restore elephants, hippos and crocodiles in North Africa

[turbid ivy]

How did you know the LE was added almost in 100 AD?

Besides, the Mark which is the first gospel wasn't written in 65 AD. In 64 AD Paul was beheaded by Nero, there is a historical record for it, Luke writes about Paul in Acts, his conversation, his ministry etc, he left only one thing and that was about his death. Hence Acts was written before 65. And Acts is the sequence of Luke, Luke would be written before Acts. And according to historians, Matthew was written alsmot 20 years before Luke. 65 -20 = 45. Matthew was written more early than Luke, but what about Mark? Mark is the earliest. In my calculation it wad written between 40 to 50 AD. Alsmot 5 to 10 years after crucifixion of Jesus.

Jesus crucified in 30 or 35 AD

[turbid ivy]

Well, but it's your claim, the burden of proof is on you eheh

[turbid ivy]

How many years after the exact the history of these elephants of these carthage were written? 1000 years of 500 years after the exact event?

pat pat

[manic juniper]

no

[turbid ivy]

So?

Keep in mind I will ask the evidence

[manic juniper]

You didn't provide any so why would I treat you with the same regard

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

About?

[manic juniper]

About anything

Since our very first conversation I even asked you questions, you never answered one

[turbid ivy]

For example

[manic juniper]

You kept asking questions because you don't have anything to add or an actual argument

[turbid ivy]

What was that

[manic juniper]

For example now, you're asking more

[turbid ivy]

Khahah nice deflection

[manic juniper]

Too lazy to scroll up and check

[manic juniper]

Says the person that asked about evidence on elephants

[turbid ivy]

Any hint?

[turbid ivy]

Yes gimme

[manic juniper]

The Histories by Polybius

Everyone knows those

[manic juniper]

I asked you why a deity is needed to come up with common agreements between people, you never answered

Why do I need God to lend my garage keys to my aunt?

[turbid ivy]

How do you know it was written by him?

[turbid ivy]

Needed by the common agreements of people, when did it happen?

[manic juniper]

Because it was everywhere in Roman libraries especially in the eastern side of the empire

[turbid ivy]

You don't have to

[turbid ivy]

Such as?

[manic juniper]

See? Lmfao, you didn't answer, you are asking another question

[manic juniper]

Libraries were everywhere, like Rome and Byzantium/Constantinople

[turbid ivy]

I'm asking you to clarify your question khahah

[manic juniper]

Then why do we need religion to establish morality? Especially when those books are written by men

[turbid ivy]

Do you have any manuscripts?

[manic juniper]

My question couldn't be clearer

[manic juniper]

Do I look like a Roman library? No

[turbid ivy]

Giving the keys to your aunt , what does it prove?

[turbid ivy]

Ehe so did you know it was written by Plubius

[manic juniper]

That I don't need a religious text to come to common agreements

[manic juniper]

There isn't anyone with that name

[turbid ivy]

Why do you wanna give keys to your aunt?

[dense agate]

you can believe it was written in the 40-50 AD all you want, Biblical scholars have already made a more accurate estimation. Mark was likely to be written 60-70 AD, certainly after the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, since the text reflects knowledge of that event as pointed out by many like ehrman.
and there is also a consensus that Mark was written during Peter's minister, the acts of apostles (which is mostly seen as a sequel to luke) is believed to be written in the 80s AD, which indicates that luke and mark cannot be contemporaneous if luke builds on mark's narrative.
so to say that mark was written in the 40s AD is completely inconsistent with biblical scholars, just you making a hill for yourself to die on.

[manic juniper]

If she needs to borrow my motorcycle and I have one, and I agree to lend the motorcycle for a day

[turbid ivy]

Polybius

[manic juniper]

Yes everyone knows it was written by him, he was an historian

[turbid ivy]

What's the evidence for it thst it was written in 60 to 70 AD?

[turbid ivy]

What's wrong with that?

[dapper laurel]

Do you have a motorcycle? Cool, I've always wanted a Harley Davidson

[manic juniper]

I do not, it was an example. In reality I have a jet ski, a boat, a snow bike and a big sled

[turbid ivy]

Ehe how do you make me known that it's written by him? Attest give me one evidence or witness accounts

[manic juniper]

But I would like to get one, and a reindeer

[dense agate]

bruh did you read or are you farming reply counts ??

[dapper laurel]

I only have them on GTA

[turbid ivy]

I did. Since you said historians agree that it was written in 60 to 70 AD, name of those historians and tell me where they said it and based on what evidence they made such a bizarre claim?

[manic juniper]

I don't think he reads even half of the content of the replies, I had to tell the same thing three times yesterday

[dapper laurel]

I had a bike, but it was stolen

[turbid ivy]

[manic juniper]

Requiring religion for "objective" morality is useless, because it's not objective, and because religious morality is often outdated

It regulates slavery, an immoral and illegal practice. Why would I care about a book that regulates slavery

https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/25-11.htm
Or this

Lmfaooo this is the dumbest regulation ever

[turbid ivy]

If you are aunt is poor, and she doesn't have a bike, so goes to work every morning 20 km away for the work.
Suppose you have a many books, and suppose you are not helping her , and infact you robbed her money, is there anything wrong?

[turbid ivy]

Ehe
https://apologetics-101.com/deutronomy-2511-12-an-offhanded-excursus/

[manic juniper]

I don't have reasons to rob her, in fact I will sell my books and provide her with more money

[turbid ivy]

Suppose you are greedy and you robbed her, is that wrong ?

[manic juniper]

I stopped reading as soon as it started talking about other law codes of the time 🤦🏼‍♀️

[manic juniper]

Yes

[turbid ivy]

The law wasn't for the all the time

[manic juniper]

The source is a book by a Christian, Paul Copan man. Admit that all those books are simply gross and immoral from times that we should be ashamed of as humans

[dense agate]

i've already mentioned Erhm, you can check his "The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings", or raymond brown (An Introduction to the New Testament)

[turbid ivy]

Why it's wrong, suppose you are kinda person who enjoy doing it?

[manic juniper]

A religion that claims to be objective but the law changes over time...? Bruh

[dense agate]

but if you're too lazy to read those books you can check this article even though it's not in depth, it talks about points i made earlier https://www.byunewtestamentcommentary.com/when-was-the-gospel-of-mark-written/

[turbid ivy]

How did Erhman know? Also he's not a historian, he never wrote any history.

[manic juniper]

It hurts the victim for no good reason, it creates societal instability and could promote justiciars that will act in an ill-regulated environment

[turbid ivy]

Her hands had to be cut off because if she's destroying his eggs, that's awful.
An eye or an eye, as the law goes.

[turbid ivy]

That's a your subjective opinion, suppose I think you are wrong? I think hurting other people is right. Who would be right?

[manic juniper]

Suppose both people agree that robbery is right, then the person that robbed shouldn't complain about receiving the same treatment... Right?

If they do, maybe something is wrong with robbery

[turbid ivy]

Of course

[manic juniper]

That's a barbarity

[turbid ivy]

Khahha well, there are lots of people with diff opinions. They can have conflicting opinions. The question would arise, who is right ?

[dense agate]

he doesn't have a degree in history, but he's a new testament scholar with a phd, he analyzed and have historical context to early christianity, and it's not him introducing a new insight by saying it was written around 60-70 AD, it was already believed so by other scholars, C. W. Dugmore, Robert M. Price,...
so either the general accepted belief that Mark was written after the destruction of the temple is wrong or you're wrong

[manic juniper]

I just solved the ethic dilemma, if the two people disagree then whoever was wronged is in the right of robbing the perpetrator. If they complain or overreact then it's clear that they always were in the wrong and they are using double standards

[turbid ivy]

Well , then what's the sources for this claim? Also, Mark doesn't claim about the destruction of the temple

[turbid ivy]

He could just say try

If you can Try...

Well, who's right then?

[manic juniper]

If they say that then it's an agreement by definition

It's a permission to get robbed

[turbid ivy]

Yes, if one guy is saying raping women is cool and he says women should rape me. But women says it's wrong to rape.

Who would be right?

[manic juniper]

He is lying because if he's consenting to it it's not rape, so no

The very example isn't valid by virtue of double standards once more

[turbid ivy]

He's saying raping women is cool

Like Ted Bundy

[manic juniper]

Yes, and he is saying that he wishes to get raped. But he cannot, since that's literally consent, he is consenting to have intercourse with a stranger

This is a double standard

[dense agate]

how about you read some of his points why from him https://www.joeledmundanderson.com/bart-ehrman-and-the-historical-reliability-of-the-gospels-part-1/

[turbid ivy]

He's saying raping women is cool. And women say not cool..who's right?

[manic juniper]

He is not the owner of those women's bodies, the women are, so he has no authority over them

It's called personal property and your body is your personal property

[turbid ivy]

Address the point here, like how did he know the Mark was written between 60 and 70? Also the dating isn't given by Erhman, cause once in a interview he said that the historians date this and that way, so he has relied on what other historians have made the claim.

[turbid ivy]

But he thinks it's good? Who's right?

[manic juniper]

Like I said, he has no authority so his opinion has no weight. There is only one opinion here: the women's, so they are right because they're the only valid opinion here

You don't get to vote in a country where you don't hold citizenship

[turbid ivy]

But he rapes them, who's right? And He thinks it's good

[random crescent]

What is the topic for today?

[manic juniper]

🤦🏼‍♀️ I already answered

The guy doesn't have a valid opinion because it's not his body

[turbid ivy]

Eheh, that's a subjective opinion where rapist things just opposite

[manic juniper]

It's not, if you think that you are weird

[turbid ivy]

Rapist says he's right, victims say they are right
Bleb bleb

[manic juniper]

The rapists don't own those bodies, their opinions aren't valid

It's not a difficult concept to grasp

[turbid ivy]

Lol weird? When he disagrees, he's weird.

[turbid ivy]

Yet he thinks it's good to abuse them cause he found it's funny

[manic juniper]

It could be the chancellor of Germany and I wouldn't care, because they're not his bodies

Only the owners' opinions matter here

[dense agate]

i've already mentioned one of his points, im not going to write paragraphs here to go in depths with them if you are unaware about the general standings within a faith that you give such high importance.
but one of his points is the destruction of the Temple that was mentioned in Mark and other contextual clues like the persecution of Christians

[turbid ivy]

He doesn't care about it

[manic juniper]

Yes, too bad law enforcement does

[turbid ivy]

That destruction of the temple isn't the Herod's or Solomon's temple. The temple in the gospel of Mark is about Jesus's body. It's written pretty clear.

[manic juniper]

You don't even have a stance on this. You are defending an opinion that (as proven by me) has no valid defence

[turbid ivy]

Who's wrong? He thinks it's good and funny

[manic juniper]

Just read again, slowly

Maybe you will get it this time

[turbid ivy]

He doesn't care, he thinks it's good to abuse women, he's like Ted Bundy, who's right?

[manic juniper]

Just read again, maybe you will understand

[turbid ivy]

Huh

[manic juniper]

[dense agate]

pretty clear ? how so ?

[turbid ivy]

Have you even read it?

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-24293069

[feral river]

isn't that a social factor ? 🤷‍♂️

[green helm]

can someone explain and give me tips on the PEE technique for my upcoming GCSE

[feral river]

I don't even know how to be faith to a social factor which used for expand your interest

[dapper laurel]

Want advice on peeing technique?

[manic juniper]

I guess some people need to be told somewhere that murder and stealing is wrong

[feral river]

hummm well if I don't take it seriously yes generally it's wrong

[manic juniper]

Law doesn't exist to tell you that it's wrong, it's just there to provide a consistent way to punish or sanction the criminals

[dense agate]

yes sure, but then Mark also points about the destruction of the Temple, pretty clearly too, 13:1-2

[green helm]

Bro, the PEE (point evidence and explanation). I already know how to pee (i hope so)

[feral river]

but in philosophy, I don't there's a thing is wrong or right something

[manic juniper]

Otherwise if it's not regulated someone could take the matter in their hands and overreact, creating instability

[dapper laurel]

The best way is to do it while sitting

[feral river]

there's nothing black or white, in which regard as a binary option for you

[dapper laurel]

On the wc ofc

[turbid ivy]

Is that about the destruction of second temple?

[green helm]

BRO, THE POINT EVIDENCE EXPLANATION TECHNIQUE.

[manic juniper]

The way I see it reptiles are good and everything else is neutral or even bad

[dapper laurel]

I'm just a toilet expert

[feral river]

that's okay I don't think there's a thing right or bad without subject

which is totally subjective

[dapper laurel]

Want to know how to poop properly?

[green helm]

I noticed, il contact u if i need help with that

[dense agate]

look it up

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but also if you want to know fun facts about toilets

[turbid ivy]

So you haven't read it?

[green helm]

go on, im curious

[dense agate]

it's interesting that people still believe morality can't exist outside of religion, especially when it justified terrible things like slavery and condemned homosexuality

[dapper laurel]

First of all, do you know how to poop properly?

[feral river]

slavery against aliens ? that's okay

[dense agate]

i have, but your question was either rhetoric or you're playing dumb, i'm not going to have that

[feral river]

slavery against animals, against aliens, that's all okay who the hell says slavery ain't work and always bad

[manic juniper]

Yes, morality is subjective whether it comes from religious people or not, it just happens that most people agree on what is wrong and what's acceptable

[turbid ivy]

Question is simple, is Mark Talking about the destruction of the second temple?

[dense agate]

i mean there are some who believe of some level of objectivity of morals, when it comes to very fundamental stuff

[feral river]

I don't really understand why people take morality so serious ? which thought someone who violates it are all needed to die

is only me thinking law/rule without enforcement is a toilet paper ?

[dense agate]

Mark 13:1-2 talks about the second temple

[feral river]

what the heck that's too weird

[turbid ivy]

That's a prophecy