🧠｜serious-chat

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Warfare becomes the norm

Like in the past diplomacy was out the window 🪟

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I was under the window. I wanted to hold it but I lost my focus because of my dog... Sorry for it 😔

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Okey

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The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” “Courage is knowing what not to fear.”

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Yeah..

Hiii

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How's college Lorena

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If you know why you should not to fear then you know something and you don't have the wisdom?

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"All things are created and destined to be broken someday.
I think being broken or damaged is never a bad thing." - Kiyokawa Hiroki

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Water is unbreakable

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It's also not a solid

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What

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Why, what is the reason for that

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How's University Lorena

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Why u hate?

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It's created that way

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Next year physiotherapy

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A waste of time and does nothing but divide people

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By who

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Unknown

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That's your field?

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I got you here, it was my cat

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After the big bang

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Got it.. but we are divide bf than that... A lot of things divide us.. this is normal. The problem is bc don't have respect.

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We think that culture and language divide us th we can adapt to them if we need but we don't have to adapt to someone else's opinion. Everyone thinks that they have the most correct thinking but there is never a middle ground. Politics is not there to solve the confusion between individuals and unite them at a common point but to stir us up in order to gain some political benefits for their political parties

As long as policymakers are human, emotions will always be involved in politics not the rationalism

[sonic hazel]

I agree with you

[thorny steeple]

Ok so if you agree with me, vote me and I'll make up the whole parliament only with cats

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The best thinking I've heard until now ahjahsjahajahsjsha lol

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Come to my country and take off our terrible president. Sure I'll vote in you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Wherever your country is we are coming, you better have the best cat food 🤣

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Erdogan eh

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Our estimated parliament:

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HAHAHHAHAHAHAA I love it

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I have a cat who gets mad at me when I touch or involved any other cats with anyway and it's going to be a little difficult when she's there

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there's no colors it's a spectrum; it unites people at a certain level, it does unite people who have shared beliefs about the world. sure it can't unite the whole world, but it exists for a reason, there's nothing better at this point, monarchy in the way it used to be can't exist in modern reality, and communism is too utopian; pure/straight democracy requires a high legal culture and can exist within small nations so it can't be applied on a country like usa. yep I think we got what we got right now because there's no other options which would be better.

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If it weren't for this big problem, it would be quite easy for me to come to your country and take power

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I have sure of that hahahahahaha lol

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Jk

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TLDR: yep politics sucks, but we got no choice

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True kween the politics major eh

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Are apolitical?

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me?

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Yep

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yep I am, and you?

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Same although I lean out into progressive and conservative

Each people have different ideas... I see a lot of rightness in socialism, capitalism, liberalism and anarchism, as well as a lot of wrongness. I have a view that combines all of them but it is illogical for me to feel close to a party or politic idea because there is no party that represents me a little bit. People accept the parties or political views that they feel close to, even if a little, as cults and defend all their teachings almost without questioning them.... This is the product of politics because politics wants this. There are so many different views, in other words, there are so many different truths in society so where is the solution? Minorities are also human and they want to be represented but they are excluded by politicians because in my eyes politics is hostile to all ideas that are not like them

I love cats, f politics

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True

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you right

It seems that the Tyranny of Great Cats is about to be established

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?def kween

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:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

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True very much

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?def leo

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Word: leo

Definition 1 (noun): (astrology) a person who is born while the sun is in Leo
Definition 2 (noun): the fifth sign of the zodiac; the sun is in this sign from about July 23 to August 22
Definition 3 (noun): a zodiacal constellation in northern hemisphere between Cancer and Virgo

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by receivedtacticalgaming

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?def John

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:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

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?def john

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Word: john

Definition 1 (noun): a room or building equipped with one or more toilets
Definition 2 (noun): youngest son of Henry II; King of England from 1199 to 1216; succeeded to the throne on the death of his brother Richard I; lost his French possessions; in 1215 John was compelled by the barons to sign the Magna Carta (1167-1216)
Definition 3 (noun): a prostitute's customer

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by receivedtacticalgaming

[thorny steeple]

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Don't mind it, ik people always like me or hate me

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True

[prisma cipher]

Usually people choose ideas that is more or less suitable, but not one that is ideal. because there is strength in unity.

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True wbu what's your view on politics

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@thorny steeple I have to google it name in English. Right wing politics, but as I said it like more less suitable.

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Okey how's your day been so far

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I get cough, so it meh

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Same here

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Is nationalism Socialism possible?

[manic juniper]

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Anyways hopefully he isn't pissed, how's your gaming journey

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Where? In Russia? we have a multicultural state. for us such an ideology is the end of the state.

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Like in groups

Does it exist?

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Yes, in my home

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Gypsies and Azerbaijanis live on my floor, Tatars live on the first floor, and I am Russian. I don’t understand what you are talking about. we are so mixed.

Don't mention I don't support any national orientated ideas

And not because of Hitler, because it stupid

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Okey changing topics will you be on the Ukraine war?

[manic juniper]

I'm in Okinawa for now so I cannot really play much

Monitoring the local shorebirds

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Brazil is multicultural to some extent but there a few people here who support such things. Usually autistic teenagers or southern Brazilian who live in bubbles

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Not hitlerism y'know I meant home grown nationalism

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Interesting 🤔

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Okey isfrun the traveler

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integralism
Back then it had this ideology, but it was supported by both blacks and whites. It was a tropicalist fascism with some Nazi aspirations

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I didn't understand this question.

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Is it still alive integralism?

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The war on Ukraine will you be fighting there?

[manic juniper]

Why can't this stupid thing be turned off

[manic juniper]

They will recruit the minorities in his floor before him

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The notifications?

[manic juniper]

No, the puzzle hints in modern games

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Okey seems interesting what's it about

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Aren't good

[manic juniper]

Some of them are good but they're ruined by too much hand holding

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Not quite tbh, it exists in far-right subcultures but not as a strong movement

Luckily

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Yep

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Has it fragmented?

Then are you ready for it

Already answered

Is the original communist party still around?

[manic juniper]

Yes it is

It's the most voted party by Nenets

[prisma cipher]

Yes, it's number two party

[thorny steeple]

Take off the bald man too

He needs to be destituted

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And 1/2 not anything else

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We have bunch of parties

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That are smaller

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YEAH AHSHAHAHAHAJA all them tbh

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Quickly

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ASAP

Will you be recruited for the wear?

Okey good enough, how's your English level 🎚️

Then you wouldn't be using it lol

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Learn it for fun. I mean I not even learning it

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Remember English is the lingua Franca of the world

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Still good, what's your view on Wikipedia

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I learned Hungarian because I was bored, believe me you did one of the best things a person can do when bored

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I learning Turkish because it fun, it not most popular language, I just like it and I learn

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At the first I do fun while learning Hungarian then it became the hell itself

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That's the tenacity

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We can chat whenever you want, I also want to learn Russian

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good encyclopedia for gaining knowledge but political stuff there is bad.

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Always getting trashed

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No it's hobby

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Okey, what do you want to discuss eh

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@thorny steeple where are you from? I have short memory

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Dominican Republic

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What is your language there?

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Spanish

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The most annoying person I've ever interacted with was a guy from Dominican Republic living in New York City

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https://youtu.be/WJCQbSKchFU?si=au2PaUpQhN7-rBNm

Dominican Republic is the developed version of Haiti

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Then do you see me as that?

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What mean Spanish colony, I was guessing is it English French or Spanish

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Not quite developed but much more than it

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Blame the french

[manic juniper]

Hm no I don't think you are living in NYC

I'm annoying as well but this person made me look bearable in comparison

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From Spain it's name when it was a colony hispañola or something like that

[manic juniper]

And he was disabled, a POC (whatever that is supposed to mean) and trans, he legit checked all the boxes of the Oppression Olympics

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I live 4/1 hours from nyc

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Haiti cut their bonds with Europe too quickly and abruptly, whilst Dominican Republic had a way more progressive rupture, it helped them

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yes they weren't original when they gave it the name

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Goddamn that seems like gender dysmorphia

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hispaniola

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Here we're named Land of the Holy Cross (Terra de Santa Cruz)

But in the moment of the independence, it was already Brazil

[thorny steeple]

From the Portuguese or Spanish?

[prisma cipher]

if i started conquering countries i would name them Russia 2, Russia 3

[manic juniper]

I don't know what's worse between naming a place "Egg Harbour" or one of those ridiculously long Spanish names

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Portuguese

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Okey

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What's the richest and poorest region of Brazil

They say that this name may derive from an old Celtic map that registered there would be a land called Brazil to the west

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Well that's how Spanish evolved

[manic juniper]

Hispaniola

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Richest: Southeast, due to it having been the place where gold was discovered and coffee was cultivated (our main economical assets in the end spanning from the 17th century until the 1929 crisis).
Poorest: Northeast. Mainly because it was abandonmed when they discovered gold, because sugar cane was the first main asset we had.

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Okey

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Yep

[manic juniper]

I created North Macedonia

I am the woman behind its creation

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Southeast comprises Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo and Espirito Santo (the latter two meaning St. Paul and Holy Spirit). Espirito Santo is not as developed as the former three states

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Still better than the DR

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How about your country?

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The master mind

I've searched too little about it

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Well I don't know much since I don't look deep into it

I resent it

Back then

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The only country I would conquer is Estonia, and then I would name the new country Greater Estonia

Suur-Eesti

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The Dominican Republic has a large gap in wealth distribution, with the richest 10% of the population owning most of the land and receiving 40% of the national income. Here are some of the richest and poorest parts of the country:

Los Cacicazgos
This district in the city is home to the upper class and has the lowest poverty rate in the city. Anacaona Avenue in Los Cacicazgos has the most expensive price per square meter in the country.

Urban areas
23.5% of people living in urban areas are in the richest national quintile, compared to 10.2% of those living in rural areas.

Ciudad de Dios
This community in Cienfuegos is one of the poorest areas in the country. The average household income is $200–$250 per month, and each household is estimated to have 6–8 people.

Altos de Chavón
This art college in La Romana was founded by American billionaire Charles Bluhdorn to bring together the country's poorest and richest students.

The Dominican Republic is an upper-middle income developing country with a diverse economy. However, more than 40% of Dominicans live in vulnerable conditions and are at risk of falling into poverty.

[manic juniper]

More like self-annexation into the new Greater Estonia

[manic juniper]

Lol @dapper laurel that word sounds like cagacazzo doesn't it?

Los cagacazzos

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Guys, someone here can help find the name of a song? I can't understand anything after the initial "Someone..."

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Los Cacicazgos

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The Netherlands colonized our richest region between 1630 and 1654

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Someone already replied on the other chat, ty

[manic juniper]

Homage (Muffled, Rainy, Slowed & Reverb) by toastool

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Back in the day

Before the British empire was thing

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In Portuguese we have cagaço that means a strong fear, seems like shiting your pants because of how afraid you are

[manic juniper]

I don't know about Italian, but I've heard "la scaga" being used in some dialects with the same meaning

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It was a thing already, it ended in 1997

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Crazy we have that word in Spanish ngl

And it lasted longer than the roman empire which means more or less 500 years

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True but it was a very difficult

Once I asked a girl how old she was at uni, this is deemed disrespectful here in Brazil and I didn't know

I don't know much about my own culture lol

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Crazy

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Even I don't know much about my own culture

But she forgave me

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Is it disrespectful to ask such thing in Dominican Republic?

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Nope

You can never ask a guy how much he earns either

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True

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Never ask a woman her age and a man hid salary

Ask what Germany in 1933-1945

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The worst happened after 700 years

Southern Spain, built by Phoenicians and enhanced by Arabs

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The phoenician alphabet

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The city of Malaca

Malaka*

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What was the name of the phoenicians city

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we can capture all the countries below. also you don't take into account the weapons that were left after the Soviet Union, there are a lot of them

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The one they had in the levant

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Russia 2 and Russia 3 will be small country I don't mean to take Germany or French

[manic juniper]

Hispaniola

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I meant in the levant

Their original city

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Like small elephant

[manic juniper]

Sidon was the one in the Levant but they had plenty

Phoenicians were like Greeks, they didn't have an unified large state

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Ofc they didn't came out of thin air

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For how long have you been interested in this stuff? I thought you were older because of how much you know

[manic juniper]

Not long, only about two years when it comes to history

Meanwhile biology, paleontology and anything in between has been on the back of my mind since I was 13

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Already a living Wikipedia

[manic juniper]

Of course like many other children I read some stuff about dinosaurs before 13, but I never studied it before that age

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I couldn't read in English two years ago and started from below 0 in history

[manic juniper]

~2 years: history, archeology, languages, anthropology
11 years: paleontology and evolution

[thorny steeple]

But you spoke a lot of languages before this period didn't you

[manic juniper]

More than now

It's at 13 when I had access to the internet and I first learned Italian

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10+

[manic juniper]

no those are too many

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Yep

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Lol too quick

You have to a person with time

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What year

[manic juniper]

2013, I'm a 2000 kid

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Zoomer just like everyone else here

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We need a millennial

[manic juniper]

I'm privileged compared to the people that have to calculate their age based off the year

[prisma cipher]

very convenient

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I've met with a lot of them on voice chats

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There was this guy

[manic juniper]

English made everything more boring

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I chatted a lot

[manic juniper]

But at the same time there isn't a lot out there available in Finnish

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Damn I don't remember his name

The only thing that makes me want to having been born Mexican is being close to the US

And claiming a great civilization to be yours

[manic juniper]

Is this what a Peruvian looks like?

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XD

We need Finnish

Peruvians in Brazil are mistaken by Japanese because Brazilians know too little about anthropology

So, no eyelid exposure = Japanese or Chinese in their minds

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Well there was this guy British older gentleman I don't remember his name but this was when Worst of all was active

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Poor animal

[manic juniper]

Tribal people were advanced in their own ways, for example this rodent is a pacarana, Europeans thought it was the same as the paca or closely related

But the natives considered them as significantly different, which is true. They have similar colours because of similar evolutionary pressures

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Even some Brazilians who inherit this trait from Native Americans get nicknamed "Japa"

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A British old gentleman was unpolite to me once

I have bad impressions on them

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Understandable everyone's different views

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Because I like frog (that is lie)

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The (frog is a lie)

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Yes it's monkey, that looks like a frog

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Yep so.

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Or naked bear

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Soviet Anthem starts playing

Wasn't discord banned in Russia

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Never stopped

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Okey

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Discord is banned

I have personal VPN

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Okey

Everyone using VPNs

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Let’s talk English pro

Now tell me

[turbid ivy]

Hello Muslim friends

Oh hi @cedar pulsar

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Hello

It's been awhile since we talked

On this cursed chat

[turbid ivy]

Today I wanna show telling lies and deceiving other people is allowed in Islam

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Okey

Get hanee he's deep into islam

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We see in example of Ibn Al Ashraf, a Jewish guy who insulted Muhammad. Muhammad commands a Muslim to kill Al Asraf, but since Al Asraf was in a Jewish town in his home, it was impossible to kill Al Asraf. The killer uses a tactic to lie Al Asraf so he could get him out of his town to kill him

The killer asks to Muhammad that can he lie and decieve to Al Asraf, Muhammad says yes.

[feral river]

Do u rather live in Soviet Union, or Russian Federation

[turbid ivy]

History of At Tabari vol 7, pages 94-98

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I think he lives in Karelia

[turbid ivy]

Also it's in sahih al Bhukhari
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4037

@weary belfry

[feral river]

That’s part of the Russian Federation

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[weary belfry]

Hmmm?

[turbid ivy]

Hmm @weary belfry

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is bud planning an attack?

[turbid ivy]

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Maybe 🤔

r u a Christian?

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Atheist ⚛️ wbu

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just an observer

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Cool

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Wbu bud r u a Christian?

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one might think he's muslim with how much he's obsessed with it

but he probably believes in the other fictional book

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True

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Wbu

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zoroastrianist

[weary belfry]

Wtf. It is impossible for this info to be true. It is equally impossible for the Prophet Muhammad to have done this

[turbid ivy]

Oh my goodness, it's in sahih al bhukhari. In islam, you can lie in three cases, did you notice the woman said in the video, it's actually in hadith 😦

[weary belfry]

I noticed but I have never been heard this before. Also in which hadith? I want to look if its alr

[turbid ivy]

Well, I understand why they didn't tell you this before.. lemme show you

[dapper laurel]

Yes, hhahahahhahah, los cagacazzos, It's hilarious

[weary belfry]

Sure, take ur time

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[dapper laurel]

Hello bro

[dapper laurel]

I saw your message yesterday

[thorny steeple]

It's been awhile

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately I couldn't reply because discord had restricted my account

[thorny steeple]

Okey understandable

Well at least you're back

[turbid ivy]

حَدَّثَنِي حَرْمَلَةُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ وَهْبٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي يُونُسُ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ عَوْفٍ، أَنَّ أُمَّهُ أُمَّ كُلْثُومٍ بِنت عقْبَةَ بْنِ أَبِي مُعَيْطٍ، وَكَانَتْ، مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرَاتِ الأُوَلِ اللاَّتِي بَايَعْنَ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَخْبَرَتْهُ أَنَّهَا سَمِعَتْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَهُوَ يَقُولُ ‏ "‏ لَيْسَ الْكَذَّابُ الَّذِي يُصْلِحُ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ وَيَقُولُ خَيْرًا وَيَنْمِي خَيْرًا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ ابْنُ شِهَابٍ وَلَمْ أَسْمَعْ يُرَخَّصُ فِي شَىْءٍ مِمَّا يَقُولُ النَّاسُ كَذِبٌ إِلاَّ فِي ثَلاَثٍ الْحَرْبُ وَالإِصْلاَحُ بَيْنَ النَّاسِ وَحَدِيثُ الرَّجُلِ امْرَأَتَهُ وَحَدِيثُ الْمَرْأَة زَوْجَهَا ‏.‏

Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).

Sahih Muslim 2605a
https://sunnah.com/muslim:2605a

Here

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Where's Narew?

[dapper laurel]

I took a screen

[dapper laurel]

I actually don't know

@lavish creek how are you?

It's 7am here

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Okey

[thorny steeple]

It's 1:03 Am here

[dapper laurel]

When will you go to sleep?

[turbid ivy]

I understand, you have been told that prophet Muhammad was the best, so good person, perfect who ever lived. But this is a just a tale, if we look closely to the Muslim sources, it's not true in any possible way

[thorny steeple]

God knows when, so are you pro EU or anti EU?

[weary belfry]

So, was Prophet Muhammad a person who killed others to protect Muslims?

[feral river]

I'm anti the European Union, I'm pro the United States of Europe

[dapper laurel]

I'm a pro EU, It is the best choice for the long term

[thorny steeple]

Blame the french

[feral river]

or Democratic People's Republic of Europe would be better

and invite Kim Jong Un to be the president

[dapper laurel]

I mean, one of the goals of the European Union is to unite Europe politically and militarily

[turbid ivy]

Not for the protection, most of the times, he killed them to loot or to rob them

[feral river]

no that's just a shit goal without any enforcement

[thorny steeple]

And be like America

[feral river]

if you have enough military to unite the europe I don't think you need that European Union thing

[weary belfry]

I was always heard good things about Prophet Muhammad .
He did many things to ensure peace in society, such as giving the key of the Kaaba to a Jew, and helping the poor etc..
Also, I see in my education life that Prophet Muhammad is a good person. How can I believe you even if you show me these?

[dapper laurel]

Right

[feral river]

forces are able to transform the power to rule and order

[turbid ivy]

After the death of Khadijah, he suddenly became poor. He had more than 9 wives, he didn't have a job, he didn't know how to make money to feed his wives. So, he started robbing since it's easy and doesn't require any hard work, just pull hour knife and take the money

[thorny steeple]

Federalism vs Unitarianism

[feral river]

and the goal of EU were proposing I guess they will never achieve the USE because of the intervention of the superpowers

[turbid ivy]

Who told you these things btw?

[dense agate]

but this is known, it's not like it's hidden, even though lying is a sin, Muslims are permissible to lie in certain situations , same goes with many of Muslim teachings that can be allowed if needs be (i.e: like being able to eat pork if you're unable to find other sources of food)

[feral river]

US will not tolerant it

[dapper laurel]

It is a difficult goal, there are many states with different languages, different cultures, different economies. But, step by step, Eu will unite, a common enemy will unite us, I think

[feral river]

the only options you guys have is expand their military and try to unite Europe by force

[weary belfry]

It still seems harder to believe

[thorny steeple]

True Russia maybe

[dense agate]

because you probably just have a basic understanding of the religion, what he said is true but he presented it ina misleading way

[turbid ivy]

I have the sources

[weary belfry]

Yes, in some cases we are allowed to lie
If someone threatens your life then you can lie to him. If someone threatens you with ur life and tries to turn you away from Islam, you can say you are not a Muslim. In such cases, it is allowed

[feral river]

a united Europe doesn't fit the interest of americans which you guys will have a chance to grow to threat the hegemon of the US

[dapper laurel]

Not necessarily, first of all a country that enters the European Union, can no longer leave (the United Kingdom has been in economic crisis since it left). This can only bring us closer to a greater political union, one of the most important goals would be to have the same tax system for the whole union, but some countries rejected this. Maybe we can develop a common military apparatus

[dense agate]

they say religious folks are analogous to herds for a reason

[weary belfry]

"Misleading way" Can you elaborate on this a little more?

[feral river]

I believe if you guys try to unite the Europe, military intervention is on the way asap

[thorny steeple]

UK literally show countries without being in the union are Fk

[weary belfry]

Can you show me?

[thorny steeple]

We need evidence 🧾

[dense agate]

yea and there are many more like reconciliation

[weary belfry]

Yass

[dapper laurel]

We can only become more influential, we will still remain a Western ally, perhaps with a more competitive economy, but they cannot prevent this

[dapper laurel]

Literally

[weary belfry]

Reconciliation? What like

[thorny steeple]

True

[feral river]

I don't think so, don't underestimate the determination of dealing with another potential superpower of americans

I think if you guys truly gonna unite together, military intervention is on the way

if not, that's the end of american hegemon

[thorny steeple]

Use diplomacy

[dapper laurel]

It would be convenient for them to have a united Europe from a military point of view, it would be excellent against Russia

[feral river]

diplomacy is on the table, military is your table legs

[thorny steeple]

Well a comparison would be

[dense agate]

because of his rhetoric, "exposing" the permissibility of lying -in certain cases- in that religion as if it was hidden knowledge kept away from it's believers

[thorny steeple]

The American colonies

[feral river]

not only against Russia but threat the status of american led global order, they don't need a powerful europe all the time

[dense agate]

as in reconciliation between 2 people duh

[thorny steeple]

After 1783/84

[feral river]

if so, I think it's not you guys unite against Russia but unite against American + Russia + China

[thorny steeple]

Then Russia collapses

[feral river]

there's no any superpower will tolerant anyone to become a new superpower

that's the matter of life and death

[thorny steeple]

Geopolitics 101

[feral river]

I'm sure american will down if you guys do so, as what they have done in Japan, on China, even some regional powers getting stronger they will mercilessly crack down like Iraq

[dense agate]

The EU is a powerhouse, it just needs to federalize further

[feral river]

there's no anyone want a federalized Europe beside some member of themselves

if they do, that's the end of our hegemon, the end of american hegemon, they will basically threat anyone's interest

I mean superpowers and global powers

[dense agate]

there is division on it in both politicians/elites and public opinion

[weary belfry]

Oh, understand that. Thanks for the explainin'

[feral river]

well that's not a media issue I'm sure about it, that's the matter of life and death

Pentagon will get to work and they don't give a shit to media

[dense agate]

not life and death, but relevancy

[feral river]

no no no bro that's the matter of life and death

[weary belfry]

I've never heard of lying in situations like that before

[dense agate]

the EU has been losing more and more of it's relevancy for the past 2 decades, due to both slow growth and being outshined by rising eastern economies

[feral river]

I'm sure even it's Russia, China and the US, will agree to continue to division and struggle to make it still divisive even by force.

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/VzblQNuvoyk?si=HP6XD8_mXGLtYrTx

[dense agate]

no? the UK has lost a great portion of it's relevancy since 200years ago, i won't call it dead

it's not like the world is Hearts of Iron 4 minecraft

[feral river]

well they are totally dead as a superpower

they are just a regional power and the stronghold of the US influence in europe

[dense agate]

more than just regional, they're present in a global scale, altough a lot softer than they used to be

[feral river]

what they can have done without america ?

they can't even took back the canel in Egypt with French and Israelis

they are totally done bro this is not the old days

[dense agate]

they might not be a superpower but they still have presence, they have more military bases outside of their borders than some alleged new superpowers (china)

[feral river]

do you think their military base is a threat ? or their military base sharing with america is a threat ?

the point is they are puppet state of america, their big boy american daddy could use their bases to contain someone

who the heck will give a shit to a base that they can only use it

they are nothing bro

[dense agate]

The UK isn't strictly aligned with either the EU or the US, it has always been willing to lean toward the EU or the US based on where its interests lay

[dense agate]

that's not what im saying, they're not competing with them, they're on the same side

[feral river]

well in some issues yes, but most internally in the western allies not on the global scale

[dense agate]

look at the definition of a puppet state and then go back to what you said here.

[feral river]

on the global scale they are totally down with americans

[thorny steeple]

USA the world's policeman!

[dense agate]

yes, but you just need to keep in mind, the British for decades have had 3 options, deeper with the EU or the US, or forge their own path

[dense agate]

that was the UK mindset in international relations

[feral river]

deeper with the EU they tried, forge their own path they tried and being ass kicked

the only option left is with americans

and it's even american with soviets kicked their ass

[thorny steeple]

The evidence 🧾 has presented itself

[feral river]

it's not the world you can do anything you want without power

everything is based on the power and rule

you have no influence, you are nothing

to enforce your interest on any field the 1st basis is you have deterrence forces, which is the military

[dense agate]

EU was for economical reasons, US for defense and trade, they later on developed their own nuclear weapons and made trade deals outside the EU and the US

[dense agate]

if you're saying the UK has no influence we can stop it here

[feral river]

well inside of their economy sqhere that's okay no one cares but if they wanna establish a new state not a chance

[dense agate]

establish a new state ??

[feral river]

yeah I'm saying the possibility of the USE

not the EU itself, EU itself already exists

[dense agate]

buddy UK and the EU are like history now

Britain isn't a part of it

[feral river]

I'm talking about the EU and asked me for the UK

[dense agate]

oh yea i went too deep on this example mb

[feral river]

so nothing wrong with it ? I guess

how is that USE relevant to UK

I'm just talking about the EU

[dense agate]

but yes, a federalized EU is hard to come by, countries want to look for their own interests rather than the EU's

[feral river]

well I mean if they want to achieve that, american, russian will crack down on them

[dense agate]

i was just giving it as an example of how lose relevency doesn't mean you're dead

[dense agate]

unlikely, the bones for a federlized EU are already there, what's stopping it from happening are internal factors

the US wouldn't be able to pressure them out of it

[feral river]

well, that's fine if they already have division and not a chance to establish the united common authority entity with militaries

[dense agate]

and being federalized doesn't mean their problems are solved, specifically the economical and security ones, but just allows them to seek better solutions

[feral river]

that wouldn't threat the status of the US

[dense agate]

it would be interesting though, a tripolar world, a dream for third world countries

[feral river]

idk what the exact degree of US tolerance on the EU but I'm sure if they are becoming a global power as they have capabilities to threat the US hegemon, they will crack down it no matter what

also Russia will not tolerant another global power appears at their border

[dense agate]

the EU doesn't threaten the US militarily and economically, not even one bit

[dense agate]

what is russia to do about it ?

[feral river]

till now lol

[feral river]

idk that's just for speculation, probably it's just a joint warning from Russia and the US together, Russia probably will use diplomatic efforts and regional military intervention in some region to create mess

[dense agate]

yes and the foreseeable future, they're trying to pump money to improve innovation and start-ups, but they they lack the capital

[feral river]

US, more easily, making pressure on them, using media spread nationalistic propaganda, that's a basic one

anyway they need to remain the divisive Europe.

[dense agate]

and since the Ukraine war happened, many of their companies have started to move to the US due to high operating costs

[dense agate]

it's unlikely to form, since it's not just the people but also the ruling elites, good luck convincing France to arm up their military with Italian jets and German Tanks, not gonna happen

[feral river]

yeah I see so that's why I said not a chance lol

they didn't even handle their internal problem properly how they gonna deal with americans ?

thanks for China's effort uniting the country by force

sin at the present, credit in the future

罪在当代, 功在千秋

[dense agate]

lel

but the Chinese have had history of being united, this is not coming up with something new, just reinforcing a state that existed in the past

pre century of humiliation vibe

[feral river]

yeah... century of humiliation really devastated China a lot

[dense agate]

yes its very clear it did, their whole view and skepticism of the west and outside world is still based on it

[feral river]

invasion from British, Russian, Japanese, Americans, Germans, Austrians, Italians, French, continuous civil war, unequal treaties

[feral river]

not a chance on us now, we are a global power right now we are able to follow their path on other nations 🤣

and pretend as peace maker

[dense agate]

China mostly gets muddy when it's about the territorial disputes

[feral river]

卿等屡立战功，开疆拓土，今日之败，乃是众寡不敌，非卿等之罪也

[dense agate]

yes yes , i am reading that, yes

[dense agate]

China number one , always, and forever more ?

[feral river]

we achieved great military achievement, expanding territory and lands, today's failure, as what we don't have that number of people they have, that's not our issues

🤣 just a historical jokes in Chinese dynasty histories

and you can see how expanding territory is one of the most important thing for the state in China

and actually our territory expanded under Xi's administration

[dense agate]

i don't think that's reflected in today's China though, i won't call it an expansionist state, or else they would've been in Vietnam already (they had a conflict in the 70s)

[feral river]

we just fully aware the importance of controlling territories and we do that even it's a little effort on annexing ROC, South China Sea, South Tibet, Butan and Nepal

[thorny steeple]

Greater China when

[feral river]

to the moon

[dense agate]

awwh they added taiwan, so cute

[feral river]

we will send military on the moon to achieve greater China

[thorny steeple]

Qing Empire Borders when

[prisma cipher]

Yes/no, like a big powerful country yes, like social ideology it doesn't work so no

[feral river]

that's the map of Qing Empire

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[feral river]

with Korea, Vietnam, Nepal as subjects

[dense agate]

good old opium times

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[feral river]

Anyone with more than 1 kilogram of opium and 50 grams of heroin will be sentenced to death.

american will be better if they have our policy on drugs

[weary belfry]

"who disobeys my orders will be humiliated by paying Jizya" 💀

[prisma cipher]

@weary belfry Turkish!

[dense agate]

and then the UK intervened to protect people's divine right to get high

[weary belfry]

Helloww, Russian

[feral river]

lol

[prisma cipher]

Hello turka

[dense agate]

i look at this with Red Sun In The Sky playing in my head

[feral river]

you may curious how is the rampant opium situation in China getting solved after the establishment of the PRC

actually we didn't take a lot of efforts but we successfully solved the drug problem

[thorny steeple]

Jizya?

[dense agate]

tax on non muslims for exsiting in a muslim kingdom

[dense agate]

didn't Qing have strict policies too to fight it

[thorny steeple]

Enacted by the ottomans

[dense agate]

not strictly, but all muslim kingdom back then

[feral river]

nope we remained as the largest exporter of the opiums before the establishment of the PRC

[thorny steeple]

Okey

[dense agate]

fun fact about the ottomans, they were one of the first nations to decriminalize homosexuality in that region

[dense agate]

but were they importing it as well ? since the British got the Chinese hooked on opium so that they can sell it to them

[thorny steeple]

That's progress it seems

[feral river]

that's in the 18th century not 19th century

[dense agate]

indeed, is it a halal progress ? remains to be seen

[feral river]

in late 18th century our local opiums is already meet the demands internally and begin to export

in the early years of 19th century we don't import opiums anymore

[dense agate]

yes that's true, China had the capacity to grow it locally

[feral river]

actually they didn't took a lot profit on opiums after the second opium war

mainly from the compensation from the Qing government

[dense agate]

it's interesting how time changes things, from having a drug addiction problem cause by a western country, to help causing a similar issue in another western country

[feral river]

well continue their divine rights for people, they won't get solved for all of these freaking stuff

[dense agate]

lel

https://tenor.com/view/mao-gif-25760638

[thorny steeple]

Kekw

[feral river]

ngl during the Mao's terrible Great leap forward they solved the pandemic issue that breaks out in that era

because everyone follows Mao and he said fuck to pandemics 🤣

probably if he alives, covid won't be like this

[shy summit]

That or if ya’ll’s pandemic response wasn’t as bad as ours.

And we had a fucking lunatic in charge who reportedly shamed the use of masks because his spray tan rubbed off on one

What’s ya’lls excuse?

[thorny steeple]

The communists wants power

Media rhetoric

[shy summit]

So…. They lied about how good they were doing? Downplaying it in people’s minds so by the time it spreads its too late?

Sounds familiar

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[turbid ivy]

My livlihood is under the shade of my spear

Note, under teh shade of my spear means war booty

[shy summit]

Wait- that’s what you call yours?

[turbid ivy]

Hence his living hood through the under the shade of war booty

[turbid ivy]

An accountant

[shy summit]

Why does this whole interaction just sound like one big innuendo

[turbid ivy]

Khyah Khyah

[shy summit]

Well at least we rubbed something good onto you bud.

If not our ideas then at least our humor got inside ya

[turbid ivy]

Nah

[shy summit]

Yeeeeeh

[turbid ivy]

My ideas

[shy summit]

Naaaah

[turbid ivy]

Is interesting

Imma scholar

the beater of scientists

[shy summit]

What’s your major btw

[turbid ivy]

Business

Top richest people have the business major

[shy summit]

Yikes, that really is the antithesis of science

[turbid ivy]

yikes it rules on science

[shy summit]

Its also the most popular usually best paired with a minor.

Mine is Political-Science-Journalism

[turbid ivy]

Sceintists works for the business men

Awful

and skinny

[shy summit]

Until god starts throwing category 5 beyblades at florida 5 times a year. Then they start thinking scientists have the power to control the weather

No joke MTG thinks that Democrats are controlling the weather to hit Florida

https://tenor.com/view/outside-weather-flag-windy-gif-14236951

[turbid ivy]

Scientists dont have any power, small winds make them pee

they run away holdin their underwear

nihhi

Wait, they dont have private parts

khahah

[shy summit]

Nah its pretty bad. Florida is trashed.

Like fr fr.

[turbid ivy]

Eheh i live in New York

[shy summit]

My condolences

[turbid ivy]

Dude is from Saudi arabia

[shy summit]

Manhattan or just NY state?

[thorny steeple]

Cloud seeding

Y'know created back in the 40s

[shy summit]

Never got off the ground

Well…

Not in a meaningful enough way to combat cat.5 beyblades

[thorny steeple]

It did, as it's still used today

[turbid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/new-york-have-a-great-weekend-weekend-gif-12199557

[thorny steeple]

It sure isn't strong enough to a hurricane like Milton

[turbid ivy]

girls like new york city i'v never seen khahha

[shy summit]

Didn’t seem to save the panhandle of stupidity

[thorny steeple]

Ah the dust bowl created via overuse the land in Oklahoma

[shy summit]

Yeah but who lives in oaklahoma ?

We all know the important parts touch the ocean

[thorny steeple]

The native Americans

[shy summit]

[smoky pagoda]

[smoky pagoda]

You call yourself preist what a joke

[thorny steeple]

Yooo

[turbid ivy]

How it's a joke?

[shy summit]

When a conartist can call himself president of the united states I’m p-sure we’ve gone into a reality where logic doesn’t matter anymore

[smoky pagoda]

💀 Bro you're full of lust you're messages showing lust in them

[smoky pagoda]

......

[turbid ivy]

Where?

[turbid ivy]

that's a song

[smoky pagoda]

Ohhhhh

[smoky pagoda]

Name?

[smoky pagoda]

Also bruhhhhhhhhh sleep it's 3 am

[thorny steeple]

My brother almost defeat u

[smoky pagoda]

I already did in Dms

[turbid ivy]

https://youtu.be/CdXesX6mYUE?si=HOioZzYy3Jk2Mr_4

[smoky pagoda]

[smoky pagoda]

Noice

[thorny steeple]

He was going to win

[smoky pagoda]

He lost from me

[weary belfry]

So you're saying that Prophet Muhammad lived a life of killing ppl?
Is there any info abt this in the Quran?

[smoky pagoda]

After me proofing to him that Jesus father is Adam

And his mother is Mary

[thorny steeple]

Then how did Islam expanded it sure wasn't roses and kisses

[thorny steeple]

He was going to win 😭

[smoky pagoda]

But he didn't

[weary belfry]

If such sht things are going on, it is impossible for Islam to expand

[turbid ivy]

Yes, meaning his survival was based on looting goods

[thorny steeple]

But he was near to winnn

[smoky pagoda]

Who cares but he lost

[weary belfry]

Is there any definitive information abt this?
Even what you showed me doesn't mention looting goods

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-gif-25361932

[thorny steeple]

Well back in the 600s blood reign

[weary belfry]

What's up w this reign?

[dense agate]

yes, but things should be placed in their proper context, the world has always been a battleground, and certainly at that era, if one doesn't fight to maintain themselves then they're at risk of ceasing to exist, whether to the Persians, the Byzantines...

[turbid ivy]

It does, look at the foot note

[dense agate]

looting and spoils of war did and still exist even nowadays, how is this surprising to you

[thorny steeple]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests

[weary belfry]

He said something for those who do not obey his orders. What are his orders?

[thorny steeple]

Empires

[smoky pagoda]

💀

[weary belfry]

It surprises me that the Prophet Muhammad is mentioned to have done such a thing

[turbid ivy]

Read the part before it

[smoky pagoda]

What?

[thorny steeple]

Yup

[turbid ivy]

He was utterly evil

[smoky pagoda]

Nah dawg

[weary belfry]

I still can't find any evidence that Muhammad did anything wrong

[turbid ivy]

When are you ready for the vc??

[dense agate]

to have take spoils of war ? how is that even inherently bad ? it's done in most war, the victorious claims land, resources, payments...

[smoky pagoda]

Moon the kufars were the one who started the attacks first and tried to destroy prophet and kill his compines

[weary belfry]

First of all, a person cannot be completely good or completely bad. And I don't think Prophet Muhammad was a evil person

[dense agate]

well that depends on what you mean by wrong, is this your first time getting into Islam ? you seem to be surprised by the slightest of information

[weary belfry]

I'll be available for a few hours to listen. I doubt I'll have time to talk

[dense agate]

pre WW1 Prussia be like

[turbid ivy]

I will give you few sources to read

[weary belfry]

If there is nothing wrong with that, then why is it considered ridiculous that Prophet Muhammad did this?

[thorny steeple]

Seriuos chat y'know

[smoky pagoda]

[dense agate]

im not the one calling it ridiculous

[smoky pagoda]

And I refuted all of them a while ago

[turbid ivy]

Think of this way, you are in your home, and im kinda guy who doesn't have any skills, im lazy to work, i found you making money because you got a job, i decided to rob you, i entered in your home, and i robbed your money, and i also took you. Now, does that sound nothing wrong?

[weary belfry]

Ehh, that's it. I believe that too. Prophet Muhammad is not a bad person and he did not do anything bad tf.

[dense agate]

don't bring the nostalgia back, it hurts...

the only time Spain was relevant, sadge

[turbid ivy]

The person what he is claiming has never read the Islamic history

[thorny steeple]

Sorry . I don't have choice

[weary belfry]

This is not my first time converting to Islam. I grew up with Islam. I am just hearing this info for the first time

[smoky pagoda]

Yes 💀 Exactly

[weary belfry]

Kay

[smoky pagoda]

You aren't a Muslim?

[weary belfry]

There wasn't a specific person I was putting forward

[thorny steeple]

• ur Egyptian and that's cool

[dense agate]

respect to the Portuguese, they're mainly in for city ports and trade

[thorny steeple]

Lesgo to the oldest emoires

[weary belfry]

It is said that the Prophet Muhammad only received the jizya. It does not mention that he robbed the home

[thorny steeple]

Empires

[weary belfry]

Lol. Are you talking abt me here?

[turbid ivy]

Is zizya war booty?

[turbid ivy]

Im talking to that guy

[weary belfry]

Im Muslim alhamdulillah

[thorny steeple]

Nice !!

[turbid ivy]

If anyone here thinks Muhammad didn't rob people, feel free to debate me

[dense agate]

well you just seem to have mild understanding about it, and you're talking to someone who's entire personality is to bait muslims and people like you for their artificial life fulfillment

[weary belfry]

Isn't it?

[dense agate]

screw this fictional empire, Carthage all the way

[smoky pagoda]

Gr8 allahuma barik

[dense agate]

this is greatness

[thorny steeple]

The largest old empire

[turbid ivy]

Zizya is not a war booty. The war booty is goods or property including men and women or their children when a party attacks them and capture them by defeating them. Zizya is simply a forceful tax levied on Jews and Christians without attacking them

[dense agate]

and all in the name of Ba'al Hammon

[weary belfry]

Dude. Thanks to Allah I'm a loyal person. I'm loyal to my religion

[dense agate]

the killer of the Muslim golden age lel

and they left as fast as they spread

[spring zephyr]

Nubu nubu.

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

Fr they destroyed Abbas empire ..

[dense agate]

older problems still manifest even today, many blindly believe in things while lacking proper understanding.
even thinkers like Ghazali talked about this, and that was a thousand years ago.

[turbid ivy]

I thought you were not religous

[weary belfry]

Weren't the Jews and Christians the ones who declared war on the Muslims? Or the ones who mistreated the Muslims?

[dense agate]

they destroyed everything on their way

[thorny steeple]

Yes because they didn't have crazy leaders like holaco and Genghis Khan

[smoky pagoda]

Yes but most them were polytheist

Not jews and Christians

[turbid ivy]

No no. If you claim they did, I will need you to provide the sources they actually did.

[thorny steeple]

Remember it happened after the Roman and sasanian empire weakend themselves

[weary belfry]

Yea, really. Agree w you

[thorny steeple]

bud started a whole argument

[weary belfry]

Why would you think I'm not like this?

[smoky pagoda]

👍

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

You seem chill

[dense agate]

and that can't go without talking about this Giga Chad, Hannibal of Carthage

[smoky pagoda]

Yep he's a gaslighter after all

[turbid ivy]

Well, because you utterly deny the teachings of your prophet

[smoky pagoda]

What teachings?

[dense agate]

Taking elephants from Africa through Spain and the Alpes mountains to destroy Rome

[thorny steeple]

as long as u r free to question things then it's a good thing other wise not

[weary belfry]

I remember that when there was a war with the polytheists and the Muslims won, not only was the jizya taken from them, but they were also held captive to teach the Muslims. Is that true?

[smoky pagoda]

Not everything in the sunnah is teaching

Some are just there to tell what happened in the history

[weary belfry]

yess

[thorny steeple]

bud just exposed religion

[smoky pagoda]

I'll double check on that leave that message in Dms

[smoky pagoda]

Huh?

[thorny steeple]

nvm

[thorny steeple]

Lol

[dense agate]

like this is an ending cycle of blame pointing and repointing, Muslim world forced Jizya on non muslims which isn't fair, and Christians in Europe were strictly against Muslims living there as conceptualized in Iberia with the Spanish inquisition after the fall of the muslims there

[weary belfry]

Hmmmm, which teachings? When did I deny it?

[smoky pagoda]

[dense agate]

like is this a race to the bottom on who commited the least amount of terrible stuff ?

[smoky pagoda]

Nobu stop lying

[thorny steeple]

Germany was going to rizz up all countries

[dense agate]

the most united Europe has ever been

[turbid ivy]

Is that Surah al Fil?

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmG4X9PGOXs

[thorny steeple]

Fr even more than roman empire

[feral river]

I should be an african-american 😎

[dense agate]

my brother in christ, that's Hannibal of Carthage in the punic war against rome, that's history

[turbid ivy]

I showed you Muhammad commited adultery, you denied it, everything i showed you from Sahih Muslim or from Sahih al bhukhari, you always denied it

[dense agate]

yoo this song is old but good

[feral river]

this song is just incredible I would say

one of my fav

[turbid ivy]

These elephants were domesticated by whom?

[thorny steeple]

But u are Chinese

[weary belfry]

In the document you showed me in which you claimed that Prophet Muhammad committed adultery, it didn't even say that he had sex w female slave . That's why I denied it
None of what you showed made sense, there were gaps in some of them. You filled in those gaps with your own interpretations

[turbid ivy]

Oh wow, when you will join vc, so i will make you sure that actually you are reading it

[thorny steeple]

Arabs at a time rizzed up

[dense agate]

found in north africa, extinct elephant subspecies from that region

[turbid ivy]

Somewhere in Ethopia?

[dense agate]

north africa = ethiopia ?

[weary belfry]

Sure. I will be sure to call you when I am available for vc

[dense agate]

i mean, the only impressive thing here is them conquering Persia, that one was always hard to invade and their people had too much pride to allow others to rule them

[thorny steeple]

Also turks at a time rizzed up

[thorny steeple]

Fr

[thorny steeple]

But no empire of all those stand forever

[dense agate]

yes, they grew large but eventually faced limitations, north by Austria/Holy Roman Empire, east by the persians and west by the Spaniards and Moors

[thorny steeple]

This is American empire but like not declared to the world as an empire

Bec Us controls all those countries

[turbid ivy]

The mid part of Africa

[dense agate]

what is this ? becuase it doesn't really show Nato

[turbid ivy]

Yup

[dense agate]

no, Ethiopia is in the horn of Africa

[thorny steeple]

USA has small army at every region in this map

[turbid ivy]

elephants were not domisticated in Africa

[dense agate]

if you go by the actual meaning of domestication, they have not been fully domesticated in the same way as other animals (horses, dogs,...) since no selective breeding over generations was done

were they trained and used in Africa ? ofc they were

and the ones Carthage used were from North Africa

and were Trained by Hannibal's army for war, Ethiopia here is irrelevant

[thorny steeple]

Japan also rizzed up all it neighbors

[turbid ivy]

Elephants weren't used by humans either in Africa

[fast hinge]

Yes it was used

In Arabia

[turbid ivy]

Like the way Asian use them? They weren't use those way

[turbid ivy]

Lol nope

There was not water supply in Arabia for Elephants

[fast hinge]

They were used when Abyssinia Concorde Arabia

[turbid ivy]

An Elephant needs 65 liters of water of per day

[dense agate]

are you just making an non educated guess ? they were used for many purposes, cultural and sometimes labor

[turbid ivy]

Is there any water supply in Arabia?

[turbid ivy]

They werent

[dense agate]

no they were not as domesticated as asian elephants, due to the differences between their species

[turbid ivy]

Elephants were never used for labor in Africa

[fast hinge]

Nobody knows that they were used for labor but they were used on other things

[turbid ivy]

Such as? since you said in Arbia, where is the water supply?

[magic olive]

Weren’t Elephants hunted for their Tusks, or am I moving away from the discussion ?

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/history-of-japan-russia-japan-chill-bill-wurtz-gif-5356876

[turbid ivy]

There is no water supply for elephants to surive here. There is the red sea, full of salt, elephants cant consume salty water

[fast hinge]

Do you think that there was no water in ancient Arabia 😳

[turbid ivy]

There wasn't any water supply

Except for the well

[fast hinge]

Bro Google it and you will be surprised

[turbid ivy]

Why dont you do that for me

[dense agate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_elephant

because these were the ones i was talking about in the context of the Punic wars between Carthage and Rome

other type of elephants within and outside of africa are irrelevant

[turbid ivy]

This history is doubtable \

[dense agate]

why ? you seem to have some strong bias against elephants being used in North Africa

[turbid ivy]

Maybe they were used in North Afria

africa

For the purpose of war, but there were not used for the labor purpose

[manic juniper]

There were hippos too in North Africa

In reality there were hippos in Europe as well but we are mostly talking about prehistory here

Pretty much any respectable army of the past had elephants

[feral river]

I wonder if elephants are delicious

it must take a lot of efforts to kill an elephant for eating in ancient era

[dense agate]

Ancient weapons of mass destruction

[dense agate]

they are still being killed even nowadays in places life Africa for ivory

[feral river]

horses are also the vehicles utilized on the battleground

ngl apple input system sucks

[feral river]

that would be the black death, biological weapons

I imagine if we have space weapons to possess the power which able to eradicate the entire earth

[dense agate]

https://tenor.com/view/alzolanskii-horse-fall-gif-20063219

[dense agate]

that wasn't in the ancient era though

[feral river]

oh yeah I guess ? I forgot the year that happened

we need more weapons to be safe from invasion

[turbid ivy]

Lol

[dense agate]

as a deterrence against aliens ??

[feral river]

well if we got a chance to communicate with them then I guess yes

if not, we will just clear them out once we found them

neutralize them first so that's how we gonna win

if they found us and they got more advanced technologies we all gonna die

you can't just leave them alone as a permanent threat to earth and humanity and it benefits no one

if they don't have a civilization we colonize them if they have one we destroy them

otherwise we gonna be destroyed

[dense agate]

the great intergalactic slave trade would start

[feral river]

for humanity, yes

you can take a reference of how USA secured all of its Indian territory

we can do that on aliens

[dense agate]

i wonder if it's going to be administrated by them or they will allow us to pick which humans to provide for these trade routes

[feral river]

or just wipe them out by our powerful weapons and preserve their environment for living for us

[feral river]

well idk, but I would prefer to kill all of them and let human breed in their region

we don't need left a threat playing that divide and rule which sucked up entirely

[dense agate]

we're getting enslaved for a reason, we can't defeat them

[feral river]

idk it would be exclusive for superpowers like America, China and Russia

I don't see others still got a space program that running well

and it is going to be hot like proxy war between galaxies

or what if the people who live in the moon declared independence that will cause the war between earth and moon

probably not gonna happen if moon is dead as well

生命不息, 战斗不止

[dense agate]

since when Earth is a unified state for it to care about the moon's independence

[feral river]

Life sustains, fight never stop.

[feral river]

probably if there's only one country on earth and people do speak one lanaguge, having similar traits and united under one leader, one flag, one state

[dense agate]

so basically never

[feral river]

yes, but in some regions we can achieve it

we are taking a lot of efforts to eradicate the difference between people and promoting national unity

a successful example would be North Korea

one group of people under one leader, sharing the same traits united under one flag against their common enemy

that was a great success

[dense agate]

fascism 101

or at least sounds very familiar

[feral river]

pretty familiar but it's not actually

[rich thorn]

💀

[manic juniper]

They're still consumed in Africa

[timber yoke]

Incredible and horrible! why don't they protect elephants?

[manic juniper]

There are over 400k of them

They damage farms and sometimes houses too

There are way less lions than there are elephants

[timber yoke]

Got yo, that makes sense

[dense agate]

why don't we protect chickens and cattle ?

[timber yoke]

Hmmm, good idea! let's shut down all the KFC and McDonald's.

[knotty bolt]

O

[jade knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/768629837539311627/1152828426340806726/fliege_fliegt_gif.gif

[median temple]

I just cleaned my phone

[random crescent]

In my opinion even if its immoral in desperate times I will kill to live.

The chicken would've done the same instinctively along with the cattle if they could make their tears into spears.

[dense agate]

but does that hold true for the time being ? if were you right now to stop consuming animal based products, would you starve to death ?

[random crescent]

If im guessing correctly this topic is about preventing the massacres of chicks and calf's.

In my own take, I'd survive. That doesn't mean that it would prevent the coat of death, Foxes and other crop eating critters will die more than usual after the Spike of demand, It simply is worst to spare a cows life for a hundred foxes.

If we had started this rule maybe somewhere in-between the impact of the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs and the birth of cleopatra maybe we would've had the slightest chance of balancing this out.

[scarlet cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/json-error-computer-smash-punch-mad-gif-17865858

[manic juniper]

The dinosaurs live

[random crescent]

Can confirm. Saw a Velociraptor running after my neighbor just this week.

[dense agate]

except that if all of the world's population turned vegan, the land dedicated to farms would decrease, since 77% of agricultural land is used for livestock farming

[random crescent]

Hey! That's actually a smart take. But then how would we turn 77% of the world vegan, We cant even convince countries for peace.

Beliefs would conflict and this would result in more protest and arguments.

It simply is not possible my guy. Best to leave it as it is, Eat your veggies everyday.

[dense agate]

why exactly 77% lel

and who said anything about convincing countries or individuals

except you ofc

[random crescent]

Absolute L for my dyslexic mind

But seriously lets look at this at a logical point

Thousands of beliefs, Countless Opinions, Do you think all of is would follow along to one?

As much as I want cows to live I will absolute murder it for the sake of me.

Why? Because I could help the world more than it personally, Im sorry to the cow but for things to change you have to think.

[manic juniper]

Most people nowadays can agree on some things

[turbid ivy]

Hello Muslim friends

[dense agate]

help the world more than it ? isn't it part of the world you seek to help ?

[dense agate]

that doesn't mean we can't agree on some universal moral principles, like in Kantian ethics for example

[thorny steeple]

#MAGA #LatinosForTrump

[tranquil shell]

Does any of you know about that CMA course?

us cma*

[thorny steeple]

Hail Hulagu Khan..

[turbid ivy]

Yup, is that related to medical science

[random crescent]

No shirt remains unstained in the path of evolution. The cow may have died from our hands, But from the same palms we gave it a purpose more than to just live and die.

Its very flesh gave us strength. Whether he likes it or not, I believe that without me eating him last saturday, I wouldn't be donating to Charities in helping nature.

[feral river]

cool I think I will have a chance to try it

maybe in the future we will have more effective farm of those consumable animals

[clear meadow]

he's too bad at it

[random crescent]

Kantian ethics is different to what we crave to agree on. It is simply prioritized into our minds to eat meat to survive, We dont regularly ask the butcher the name of the cow we just ate.

Just like mere ants they fight their own kind

Their own anthill that gave birth to their queen

Why? Because they cant agree on one thing the other says.

[turbid ivy]

Who?

[dense agate]

that's a human-centric view that ignores animals' own instincts, tying the worth of a life based on it's usefulness to humans.
and if we believe that animals are sentient beings, then they also have their own experiences, needs & desires, so there is no need for a human imposed purpose

[random crescent]

Wait what

Anyways anyone else craving something right now?

Like some kebab right now bro.. seriously like that stuff would hit hard right now..

[dense agate]

lel is this a cheap bait attempt ?

im not vegan, i consume meat

[random crescent]

No dude like why u trying to make this seem like an argument

Chill bro

Like you going through something my guy? Hop on my dms if u need to vent bro aight, Noticed you been acting aggressive bro.

[dense agate]

??

aggressive ? lel

[random crescent]

Aight was just a simple debate

We at least learned something from it

And was genuinely a fun experience.

I mean bro let me just eat the cow bro

Good point.

Someone go catch this one im gonna go buy some food

[turbid ivy]

You cann

[turbid ivy]

Buy a cow yourself to eat it, you can't kill someone's else cow

Eat good diet

I prefer fish 🐟

[random crescent]

Uh.. Isn't that like the same thing but with a different name tag

But yeah Fishes bro They rock hard

[turbid ivy]

Ye

[manic juniper]

I remember when masters used to give purpose to slaves, but nowadays many people are without purpose

[turbid ivy]

You don't eat meat?

Ye, you seem against eating flesh lol

Cow is a good meat

I prefer fish

Wdym

Sure, I don't eat cows

Cause it's a big animal

We eat plants too

I personally don't slaughter,I buy the meat of dead fish, I buy chicken from from butcher shop

Lots of them say

I have eaten buffalo meat, it was good. I bought from the butcher

It was dried

What's wrong, they are made for food

God said eat

[random crescent]

Aight bro Its either I eat you or a cow

[turbid ivy]

We can't survive without eating wdym

Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.”
Genesis 1:29

We can also eat plants

Both are good foods

[dense agate]

then maybe expanding modern slavery and forced labor camps as a viable way to improves people's sense of purpose and fulfillment

[turbid ivy]

eating is fine. You don't eat meat?

I have seen Buddhist also eat meat

What are you?

[dense agate]

is it good because god says so or is it good because it's inherently good to us ?

[turbid ivy]

Because God says so

There is nothing wrong even eating human flesh in atheism kahah wdym

That would be a subjective opinion. There is nothing objective morality in atheism.

A lion 🦁 kills deer 🦌 for the food. That's nature. There is nothing wrong.

[manic juniper]

And institute a new regulated ritual sacrifice system for humans that feel like they have no purpose or hope in their lives at all, especially those with mental and physical disabilities

[turbid ivy]

Lol

[dense agate]

then doesn't that make morality arbitrary, and even fully based on divine whim ?

[manic juniper]

The Bible says to eat Jesus's flesh anyway

What stops someone from killing a human because he's an avatar of Jesus and eating him?

[turbid ivy]

Wdym by the arbitrary?

[manic juniper]

That's how you get his Word, through someone's flesh. Eat the human

[turbid ivy]

That's a metaphor to say accpet Jesus as your savior.

[dense agate]

switzerland is always ahead